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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Commercial Break #1!
« Reply #390 on: October 22, 2013, 01:40:31 PM »
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  I took CF7 off the list when I decided that since Raikaria had read non-scum to me as well as revealing their role, and since CF7 had also revealed their role, there was a good chance that CF7 was not-scum also. 
How does this logic even work

Raikaria claimed and you think he's town, so since CF7 has also claimed, he's town? ??????
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My reason is because you lynched Raikaria OVER CF7.  Conq and Mitsuki are also suspect, but you are the one I am holding responsible. 
More ??? I don't get this. What are you trying to say here? Shadoweh had CF7 as a townread the whole time. Are you really mad we didn't lynch CF7 or something? It's still not a reason Shadoweh is scum unless CF7 actually flips scum in the future (making cases off an assumption someone is scum when they haven't flipped is generally not good- it means you should lynch the assumed scum first, not the other person)

As for Conq asking me about CF7 that's a good question! Uhm. I wouldn't exactly mind lynching him but I have to admit that at some point after the claim my reasoning for voting him was supplemented into "I don't want to think anymore let's just keep going full steam and NOT get brainwashed by roleshenanigans"

And then I forgot about mafia when I woke up and just went to work without jumping on the computer first and missed the last third of d1 >_>

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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Commercial Break #1!
« Reply #391 on: October 22, 2013, 01:52:01 PM »
Okay Dark is probably town too, I just don't see scum bringing up that as a point to contribute to an already existing case. What do you think of other people who aren't CF7, Dark?

I can't really tell anything from Zak or Dan's posts, specially Dan, Zak I could maybe look into more in depth again just in case when I have time later on. From what I read Dan has IRL stuff going on but I'd like to see them play the game sometime soon.

I kinda like Validon but I suspect it's just because he dislikes Shadoweh like I do. I feel like it would be a bad idea for Validon!scum to add Town!Conq to their scumreads but idk if that's a towntell I'd put any confidence into.

I'm running out of time and I barely got any serious rereading done. But that still leaves scum among just Shadoweh, Serela, SB, Dan and Zak, with Validon and CF7 being minor possibilities as well, I'll be back to read the bunch of them I haven't read yet in a couple of hours.

Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Commercial Break #1!
« Reply #392 on: October 22, 2013, 01:56:51 PM »
Eh, since I posted about quite a bunch of townreads there I figure I should say that the Wouldn't Lynch At All List only contains Sky Paladin and BT so far. The rest are reads I find useful atm but I could see myself being wrong with.

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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Commercial Break #1!
« Reply #393 on: October 22, 2013, 06:30:35 PM »
No post today. I'm totally exhausted from today's work.
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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Commercial Break #1!
« Reply #394 on: October 22, 2013, 06:39:05 PM »
In vanilla mafia, it's better to not lynch if there is an odd number of players. 
In any mafia, it's better not to lynch if there's a good chance the suspect is a towny - as myself and a few others stated as likely.  Oh well.  Shadoweh promised us cake, however.  It'd better be jam and cream filled. 
Nope. If you no lynch with odd players, Scum will simply NK the townie least likely to be lynched, removing an otherwise strong player from the game.
Raikaria's flip provides reads and insight into possible ulterior motives of scum on the wagon, and the majority thought he would flip scum anyway (I sure was confident in the lynch)
There is absolutely no benefit to a No Lynch, excepting in a case where there's no other option but to lynch a confirmed townie (likely due to gametime restraints and a last minute reveal or something that basically never happens)
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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Commercial Break #1!
« Reply #395 on: October 22, 2013, 06:40:46 PM »
Game mechanics aside, I'm probably too busy for now to read anything else, but I'll be around sooner or later.
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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Commercial Break #1!
« Reply #396 on: October 22, 2013, 06:44:41 PM »
P.S. Scum needs two votes instead of one to quickhammer in an odd-man LYLO, that can be its own benefit (aside from having another townie to discuss who the remaining scum are).
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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Commercial Break #1!
« Reply #397 on: October 22, 2013, 06:56:48 PM »
NNR had a thing in mid-D1 interactions with several people where he wasn't scumhunting at all and just seemed to be calling out bad arguments from other cases and why they were bad. It felt like the "no town you're doing it wrong" posts that are tempting to make as scum since you're technically being helpful to town and it looks like you're doing something (which is part of the reason I gut scum on Shadoweh's latest posts now that I managed to put that into words). But later on he evolved into blatant rolefishing at Mitsuki's rolerelated Zak shenanigans which he always seems to do as town (I imagine he would attempt to avoid it as scum) and seems to be pursuing his cases in his typical fashion of hypocrisy and other things that imo are pretty bad as scumtells which points quite a bit at town!NNR. I think I'd put him somewhere in between BT and Conq in my earlier townread section.
>My play is so typically bad that it's now a towntell

(and I thought I was pretty strong so far this game too)
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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Commercial Break #1!
« Reply #398 on: October 22, 2013, 07:02:07 PM »
you HAVE been playing pretty okay and I would classify this as a point against Vhaltz

except I'll finish reading first

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« Reply #399 on: October 22, 2013, 07:06:14 PM »
reason for this preliminary thing:
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NNR had a thing in mid-D1 interactions with several people where he wasn't scumhunting at all and just seemed to be calling out bad arguments from other cases and why they were bad. It felt like the "no town you're doing it wrong" posts that are tempting to make as scum since you're technically being helpful to town and it looks like you're doing something (which is part of the reason I gut scum on Shadoweh's latest posts now that I managed to put that into words)
bolded is an argument I've thought of employing as scum multiple times, it's a really easy way of painting scummy most cases on bad play

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« Reply #400 on: October 22, 2013, 07:07:26 PM »
like Vhaltz doesn't actually use it here as a point against NNR but I do feel this misrep shouldn't have been made, or idk

I'll go read now

Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Commercial Break #1!
« Reply #401 on: October 22, 2013, 07:41:57 PM »
Tempted to comment on something but I'll wait until the updated post version.

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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Commercial Break #1!
« Reply #402 on: October 22, 2013, 07:50:11 PM »
Why wait?

Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Commercial Break #1!
« Reply #403 on: October 22, 2013, 07:56:48 PM »
Because updated posts would likely clear up doubts about whether what I'm thinking about is due to one thing or another thing.

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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Commercial Break #1!
« Reply #404 on: October 22, 2013, 08:06:23 PM »
I think i lost my conviction on my scum reads, I'm at a loss what to do.

Dark ninja is simply so bad I don't think his scumbuddies would let him keep doing that.
i don't even know what to think of Valtzuki

and now my play is apparently too terrible to be scummy

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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Commercial Break #1!
« Reply #405 on: October 22, 2013, 08:13:44 PM »
What do you think about Shadoweh?

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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Commercial Break #1!
« Reply #406 on: October 22, 2013, 09:59:32 PM »
I... don't think Validon's scum judging by his posts today tonight DAMMIT

Hey Conq it's okay Serela is town. You can look elsewhere.

I'm actually kind of interested in shoving SB and Dan off virtual cliffs to see what happens because they're not involved enough.

Though currently I would like to ask you all to lynch cf7, reasons stated refer my earlier posts.
I'm going to call you Alphabet Ninja from now on. You're not getting CF7 lynched anytime soon like this.

I've gone back and forth on Shadoweh from her nightposts but you know what I'm going to say town. Gets her town opinion on Serela and Validon exactly when I do, responses to shit don't read fake, dunno, paranoia is fading.

I'm actually tempted to say Vhaltz is town too after actually reading his post. Though that's more based on an overdose of small tidy points so it could be he's just overprepared scum but blegh.

Let's consult the list. (borrowing conq's nnr read)

Alive and L@dy
1. CF7
2. Shadoweh
3. Mitsuki/Vhaltz
5. NNR
6. ActionDan
7. Sky Paladin
8. Validon98
9. Serious Bananas
10. Conq
12. BT
11. darkninjaabc
13. Serela
14. Zakeri

...possible, maybe. I think I'll look into lynching Zak or something. Or Vhaltz if I hate myself enough.

I just kind of noticed the time so I'm putting this out there.

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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Commercial Break #1!
« Reply #407 on: October 22, 2013, 10:04:06 PM »
But like the players who should be -considered- tomorrow are Zak SB Vhaltz Dan and maybe Shadoweh or something. Maybe poke Sky Paladin and see what happens. The other choices should be off-limits.

Yeah, off-limits. This time really.

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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Commercial Break #1!
« Reply #408 on: October 22, 2013, 10:05:26 PM »
oh shit sorry

I think I didn't see the warning last time

the post above should be good enough though

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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Commercial Break #1!
« Reply #409 on: October 22, 2013, 10:23:33 PM »
oops forgot deadline was early because of hammer

pretty much agree with bt's list

vhaltz's posts remind me of what i did last game where i got reads off extremely minor stuff so it was fairly easy for me to renenge on them later in the game but ive yet to read them fully, just getting this out there


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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Commercial Break #1!
« Reply #410 on: October 22, 2013, 10:25:00 PM »
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How does this logic even work

Raikaria claimed and you think he's town, so since CF7 has also claimed, he's town?

Raikaria claimed AND voted in a townway.  He didn't vote to save his neck (which was still possible, just unlikely, at that point).  That was why he read town to me.  Up until that vote, I was totally going to jump in on the bandwagon.  But when I came back he'd acted in an unexpected way.  So he had 'two green plus signs' next to him.  In the absence of any strong red minus signs, this was enough for me to say 'probably town'.  That's why I didn't want to lynch him, and said so. 

CF7 also claimed but didn't behave in a town way.  So he only got one green plus sign (but no negative signs).  However, Shadoweh was behaving in a non-town way and got a big red minus sign.  Plus, she showed no remorse (only postulating justification and apparent glee) that she killed a towny.  I'd already voted against her before Raikaria showed green.  The behaviour so far is reinforcing this.  However, my main reason for voting Shadoweh was because even though she was saying that it was imperative that we lynched somebody, when we had the chance to easily lynch CF7, she chose the harder route of Raikaria.  It doesn't line up with her stated objective.  Therefore, I believe there is a hidden motive. 

I think she she is so far acting consistently as scum, so that's why I'm considering her (and her immediate allies) as suspicious.  Also, if I am totally wrong, scum will think I'm not a threat, so I'm likely to last out the commercial break ^__~

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Nope. If you no lynch with odd players, Scum will simply NK the townie least likely to be lynched, removing an otherwise strong player from the game.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=No_Lynch is where I got my information from.  There's a line here that says 'Players may No Lynch in order to maintain an odd number of living players, which is mathematically advantageous.' but to be honest, I never looked up the maths and just assumed it was correct. 

At this stage, which players do you think will be NKd?  If they unexpectedly survive, they could be scums.  Maybe keep that list to yourself for now, and post it after the phase is over. 

BT, your list is all monochrome now.  Can we see it again with bolding or something instead of green?  Thanks <3
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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Commercial Break #1!
« Reply #411 on: October 22, 2013, 10:26:37 PM »
like the point about suspecting bt because "hammering powers make sense to be given to scum" when it's purely a null tell is huh, makes me feel like he's trying to pad out something when he could have just given the latter part of the paragraph as he comes to the conclusion of bt town anyway


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« Reply #412 on: October 22, 2013, 10:27:16 PM »
I was waiting for D2 to start but it starts really close to my bedtime and I have a looooong conference tomorrow morning I found out about this very afternoon. So let's just get this out of the way now that I have time because I probably won't have that much tomorrow.

http://i.imgur.com/NZuiZFK.gif

Me and Mitsuki are neighbors with 3 other people in the game. At least one expressed disapproval about claiming it so I'm not gonna say who they are, they'll just say so if they feel like it.
The reason why this claim is a thing that's happening is because of the Zak roleshenanigans mid-D1 that seemed to spark most of the concerns with Mitsuki. Our role PM didn't specify the amount of other people in the neighbor QT, and at first there were only three of us in there, Mitsuki was probably suspicious that this was an ideal scenario for scum to lurk the QT without posting and anybody knowing they exist in there, so she watched the unique views counter on the QT and noticed an extra view popping up after a while.

I don't recall exactly what time it was that this happened, but Zakeri was one of the last to post saying he hadn't even read his PM yet, so he was a prime suspect for this view who wasn't posting, hence why Mitsuki asked him for a nameclaim (since it was also brought up in the QT that the group made more sense as a group of four than as a group of three flavor-wise) and pursued him with what she could find within his little content because she was pretty convinced he was scum. The nameclaim could've outed him as lurking scum if he had claimed the fourth member of the group as a rolename, or could've been counterclaimed if he decided to make it up on the go.

What happened later that made her drop the nameclaim thing is a tough thing to explain. To put it as simply as possible, the fourth member of the group just appeared in the QT since there was apparently a misunderstanding with his PM, and this fourth person wasn't Zak.

So yeah, that's pretty much everything that happened behind the scenes with Mitsuki's mid-D1 posts. I think she still continued to think Zak was maybe scum after that because he's one of the few people she ever had time to read in depth, even if what she found wasn't all that meaningful if she had managed to get to reread everything as a whole. The Conq part she came up with I never really understood and I was also puzzled about what happened in the last few hours of D1. I think she felt bad about leaving me to replace into a slot that was looking not too good and that she had to try and fix the few scumreads on her. I guess I could argue that as scum Mitsuki could've just stopped posting entirely and wait for the day to end to avoid attracting more attention to herself after Conq set her case aside and switched votes onto Raikaria for the deadline lynch.

Cut by BT.
Okay the thing I mentioned earlier is that your shorter posts back there didn't make much sense* and I was just wondering if you hadn't thought it out properly or if you were purposefully BS'ing things to continue the echo chamber on the slot considering the amount of people who had been disliking Mitsuki so far.
The sudden switch in read coupled with the wording style of the earlier posts means that you probably just got that idea while skimming and decided to write out stream of consciousness without really thinking about it much. It's cool that you're still town.

* I wasn't using the point to paint him as scum so the only possible scummy thing left about would've been pushes for paranoia, and those generally come the other way around "I think X is town but this other thing means there's an offchance he might be scum". And at this point scum would have to outright BS a case on NNR to get him lynched since he is mostly being townread by people and nobody has voiced intent to lynch him, subtle pushes like what you were implying just wouldn't cut it and would be useless for hypothetical scum!me.
I'll also add that it would be a legit point I would use regardless because some players do have a tendency to have a "you're doing it wrong" tone towards townies when rolling scum. E.g I'm pretty sure it happened to Shadoweh in Gensokyo Holy War mafia.

Regarding the rest of the post, I'm kind of hoping Dan comes along and either replaces out or puts out a decent post soon, I don't really feel like the crapshoot kind of lurker lynch on the one with almost literally no content. Among SB and Zak it's a tough one but I think I'd lynch Zak first because iirc SB is currently in two or three games so I could see the lack of activity, whereas Zak is more likely just lurking it out also looking at it from a meta standpoint. Kind of lame reasoning but that's how my priorities would be atm, I'll comment on them again once I get to reading the few of SB's walls.

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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Commercial Break #1!
« Reply #413 on: October 22, 2013, 10:28:41 PM »
SHADOWEH WHO DO YOU THINK IS SCUM I'M NOT GOING TO LEAVE YOU ALONE
ET TU SERELA
WHO ARE YOU SCUMREADS

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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Commercial Break #1!
« Reply #414 on: October 22, 2013, 10:34:12 PM »
okay that post didnt enlighten me as much as i'd hoped

vhaltz why are you less aggressive in this game than in games like town mafia and 3sk setup mafia where you were basically calling for blood? yes you just replaced in but if anything id expect a replacement to be more aggressive than usual given that they have a clean slate.

also, i'm curious about how you're able to explain mitsuki's reasoning re the zak thing. uh, did she leave you a message or something?


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« Reply #415 on: October 22, 2013, 10:35:32 PM »
Uh, damn, I should've split that into two different posts for readability.

That said I don't recommend skipping it, if you've scrolled down and skipped it read the first part until you get to the Cut by BT part.

Cut by Conq: She posted all that stuff in the neighbor QT and I was spectating it while I waited to replace in.

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« Reply #416 on: October 22, 2013, 10:36:17 PM »
since it's been outed and it's fairly obvious.  I'm one of the neighbors.  there was a reason why I voted Mitsuki and then unvoted later.  atm, I think that Vhaltz is 3rd party if not town.  but not scum.

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« Reply #417 on: October 22, 2013, 10:37:41 PM »
also I'm waiting for NKs.  I really don't see a point in contributing until the next day.  neighbors should know why

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« Reply #418 on: October 22, 2013, 10:40:39 PM »
PX is a troll for claiming green as the mod color, trufax >_> (Green being one of the two colors people are actually fairly likely to use in their posts at some point because ALIGNMENTS- normally mod colours are ones people don't ever really use anyway)

Anyway, Sky Paladin: the thing about it is that claiming isn't a Town Thing, it's something you're just expected to do if everyone is about to lynch you. That's why I was "huuuuh?"

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The behaviour so far is reinforcing this.  However, my main reason for voting Shadoweh was because even though she was saying that it was imperative that we lynched somebody, when we had the chance to easily lynch CF7, she chose the harder route of Raikaria.  It doesn't line up with her stated objective.  Therefore, I believe there is a hidden motive. 
Nah, that's not how things work here. More or less everyone understands that getting a lynch is super important, so there's pretty much no chance of a No Lynch occuring unless people are horrible at consolidating and then not around at deadline; Shadoweh went after Raikaria because she thought Raikaria was scum and CF7 was town, as clearly stated in her posts. There was no reason to go after CF7 instead- no lynch was not an issue and there was plenty of support for lynching Raikaria.

I don't think you're scummy for this because it's pretty clearly just a massive difference in playstyle, but some speedbumps as you get used to playing here is okay! :D

also I'm waiting for NKs.  I really don't see a point in contributing until the next day.  neighbors should know why
and then everyone realizes who the 4th qt member who never showed up is
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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Commercial Break #1!
« Reply #419 on: October 22, 2013, 10:40:53 PM »
dan, can you confirm vhaltz's statement about the posting in the neighborhood? also what makes you think third party but not mafia?

* I wasn't using the point to paint him as scum so the only possible scummy thing left about would've been pushes for paranoia, and those generally come the other way around "I think X is town but this other thing means there's an offchance he might be scum". And at this point scum would have to outright BS a case on NNR to get him lynched since he is mostly being townread by people and nobody has voiced intent to lynch him, subtle pushes like what you were implying just wouldn't cut it and would be useless for hypothetical scum!me.
I'll also add that it would be a legit point I would use regardless because some players do have a tendency to have a "you're doing it wrong" tone towards townies when rolling scum. E.g I'm pretty sure it happened to Shadoweh in Gensokyo Holy War mafia.
re: the former it's not useless for a hypothetical scum!you? if other people pick up on the point and run with it they dont necessarily have to run with your townread. saying that scum would have to outright bs a case on NNR is a massive overstatement when for instance in the last game i managed to push through most of my preferred lynches with waffling statements that other people partially agreed with.
re: the latter this would just be mafia theory but there are also players who use that tone regardless of alignment, so :V


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