Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Beyond the Border~ => Rumia's Party Games => Mystia's Stored Games => Topic started by: Kitten4u on July 05, 2010, 01:12:39 AM
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Let's play a different sort of game where we beat people up to solve our problems! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9IVFXjZ3Uc&fmt=18)
Rules! (shamelessly taken from Kilga with permission)
- Town must lynch (no majority = player with highest vote count at end of day is lynched)
- Scum must kill
- Everyone must post at least once every 24 hours, standard modkill warning system applied, inactivity modkills will flip at end of day
- Non-LYLO days will last 72 hours (3 days)
- LYLO days will last for 120 hours (5 days)
- No extensions
- No editing posts
- Votes must have ## in front and be bolded (EG: ##Vote Kitten4u)
- Play to win
- Don't be lame
- Parties with private communication (e.g. scum) may communicate at any time
- Don't quote any private communications (role PMs, questions you asked the mod etc.). Paraphrasing is fine. If you're unsure if you're paraphrase comes to close to quoting ask a mod.
- You cannot talk about the game outside the thread unless your role PM specifically says you may
- You may only post in thread with your dummy account. Posting in this thread with your real account is grounds for modkill.
- Do not tell people who you are because seriously, that defeats the whole purpose of an anonymous game.
- In order to keep this as anonymous as possible, all dummy accounts have joined the "No OS/Browser" usergroup. Do not leave it.
- If you would like to guess who each player is PM the mods. We won't reveal whether you're right or wrong until the end of the game (even if you die).
- Ask if you have any further questions, though Kilga and myself may not answer if the question is role-related
Still Playable (bold has confirmed)
2.) Marisa Kirisame
4.) Yamame Kurodani
6.) Yuugi Hoshiguma
8.) Orin
9.) Utsuho Reiuji
10.) Koishi Komeiji
11.) Sanae Kochiya
Drinking Tea with the Mods
3.) Kisume Townie Bucket Loli (Vanilla Townie) lynched D1
5.) Parsee Mizuhashi Townie Jealous Stalker (Town Tracker) NKed N1
7.) Satori Komeiji Scum Troll (Mafia Rolecop) lynched D2
12.) Suwako Moriya Townie Moe, Upbeat, Immortal Goddess (Chicago Voter) was killed N2, but her vote is still in play!
1.) Reimu Hakurei Scum Grumpy, Underappreciated Shrine Maiden (Mafia Roleblocker) lynched D3
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- In order to keep this as anonymous as possible, all dummy accounts have joined the "No OS/Browser" usergroup. Do not leave it.
Emphasizing this, as I will be specifically watching for people that leave it. You may not like the consequences if I catch you leaving it.
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Yukari: Okay, I got them all here~
Aya: Good, now we can get to the bottom of this!
A group of 18 people was gathered in the middle of the Palace of Earth Spirits. Something had happened recently. It was, in fact, another incident. Evil spirits from the real Hell had somehow escaped into the underground. Yukari, Suika, Aya, Alice, Patchouli and Nitori had figured out what caused it. There was a large hole in the border separating hell from the underground. The border wasn't exactly strong since the underground used to be part of hell, so it probably wouldn't take that much power to break through it. Still, it was really annoying dealing with all this evil spirits and the six of them wanted to punish who was responsible.
Marisa: Geez, what was that for ze? And what kind of rehashed plot is this? Couldn't the writer be more creative?
Alice: Oh please. Like the plot actually matters in a game like this.
Patchouli: *ahem* We have confirmed that the culprit is one of the twelve of you.
Utsuho: Woah, how'd you do that?
Patchouli: ...Magic.
Yukari: ANYWAY one of you is definitely the culprit and we intend to find out who that is.
Reimu: Alright, alright! You don't have to be so pushy geez. I'll beat them all up as usual and then--
Suika: You're a suspect too you know...
Reimu: Huh? Wait then how--
Alice: I was just going to get to that. Since we've already done this plot before we thought it would be more fun if we did something different. We thought an angry mob would be more fun to watch than danmaku.
Orin: Angry mob? So we get ta kill people? :D
Alice: No. No one ever dies in Gensokyo.
Orin: D:
Aya: Once you decide on who you think is the culprit send them to us. We'll...be moderating.
Kisume: ...But how will you know who the culprit is? Angry mobs can be wrong right?
Aya: Don't worry, we have our ways.
Reimu: ...I really don't like how that sounds.
Aya: What? We're just going to have a spell card duel with them. What were you thinking about?
Reimu: Never mind. Let's get this over with.
Everyone nodded, some more enthusiastically than others. And thus, the game began!
Role PMs will be going out shortly. Make sure you are confirming with your DUMMY account and not your real one.
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Confirmed.
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Also, are we allowed to change our avatars? The default one was shrunk in a way that makes it look a bit "rough" (not sure how to describe it).
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Also, are we allowed to change our avatars? The default one was shrunk in a way that makes it look a bit "rough" (not sure how to describe it).
That was just me making avatars really quickly and I forgot to fix the sharpness. I'll fix that real quick since I'd prefer if people used the avatars I provided.
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Avatar's working here. 100x100.
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Confirmatron
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Confirmed~<3
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Confirming that your friendly neighborhood god is here.
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Confirmed Ze!
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Posting ITT to see my avatar
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xcionfguimred
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/confirmed.
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Recollection [Confirmation]
/xcionfguimredtron that your friendly neighborhood god is here, Ze! ~<3
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/konfurmed.
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Nyaaaaaaa, the narrator is already painting me as a murderous psychopath I can't stand for this. I'm a nice girl, really! And I'll use this game to prove it!
/confirmed
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I think that's enough people to get started, so
stage D1 start~ Also, since enough people have complained, feel free to change your avatars.
The Start of D1 Vote Count (http://www.youtube.com/watch?fmt=18&gl=JP&hl=ja&v=W5iVstc_kls)
Reimu Hakurei (0):
Marisa Kirisame (0):
Kisume (0):
Yamame Kurodani (0):
Parsee Mizuhashi (0):
Yuugi Hoshiguma (0):
Satori Komeiji (0):
Orin (0):
Utsuho Reiuji (0):
Koishi Komeiji (0):
Sanae Kochiya (0):
Suwako Moriya (0):
Not Voting: Reimu Hakurei, Marisa Kirisame, Kisume, Yamame Kurodani, Parsee Mizuhashi, Yuugi Hoshiguma, Satori Komeiji, Orin, Utsuho Reiuji, Koishi Komeiji, Sanae Kochiya, Suwako Moriya
With 12 votes in play it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is in 72 hours
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##Vote Alice Margatroid
That's how this works, right?
Games like these hurt my head...
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You're silly, Okuu!
##Vote:Yamame is an scum, seh makes people sick and doesn't afraid of anything.
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##Vote: Orin
She's done it once she'll do it again ze!
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/me shakes donation box
T_T
##vote Kitten4U
It's all your fault!
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##vote: Reimu Hakurei
THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE
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Arghhhhhhhhhh! You're all so suspicious! I can't believe what happened after my post! I'm just going to vote you all until something happens!
##Unvote
##Vote Reimu Hakurei
##Evict Marisa Kirisame
##Expel Kisume
##Remove Yamame Kurodani
##Dismiss Parsee Mizuhashi
##Eject Yuugi Hoshiguma
##Extrude Satori Komeiji
##Ban Orin
##Abolish Koishi Komeiji
##Eliminate Sanae Kochiya
##Banish Suwako Moriya
##Relegate Utsuho Reiuji
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##Vote: Marisa Kirisame
I don't have anything against you, but I can make up lots of reasons to attack you.
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Whoa, who are you? What have you done to real Parsee >.>
##Vote Parsee Mizuhashi
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##Vote Sanae
She dropped her sake >:(
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Oh dear, she's returned!
Put that down this instant.
Yes! All three of those things!
Oh dear! She even brought a backpack this time. :ohdear:
##Vote: Marisa Kirisame
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Vote Count: Kitten4u really needs to fix her sleep schedule edition
Reimu Hakurei (2): Sanae Kochiya, Utsuho Reiuji
Marisa Kirisame (2): Parsee Mizuhashi, Satori Komeiji
Kisume (0):
Yamame Kurodani (1): Koishi Komeiji
Parsee Mizuhashi (1): Kisume
Yuugi Hoshiguma (0):
Satori Komeiji (0):
Orin (1): Marisa Kirisame
Utsuho Reiuji (0):
Koishi Komeiji (0):
Sanae Kochiya (1): Yuugi Hoshiguma
Suwako Moriya (0):
Not Voting: Reimu Hakurei, Yamame Kurodani, Orin, Suwako Moriya
With 12 votes in play it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is in ~52 hours
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##Vote: Orin
She's done it once she'll do it again ze!
No no no no no no no no no, last time was completely different I did it to help Okuu! And it worked! Okuu's back to her birdbrain self now so I don't have any reason to assault you guys with annoying spirits again..
But...and I really don't want to say this...Okuu is looking a bit suspicious now. I mean...I know she's a birdbrain...and I know that she sometimes has trouble with this sort of social event...but I've been around her long enough to know that she does have a brain in there somewhere. Even she'd know that wildly changing your vote isn't a good idea.
Ya'know, maybe Okuu's been possessed! That's right, Okuu doesn't know fancy words unrelated to nuclear forces like "relegate." Maybe she's being forced to spew out nonsense by some evil entity, so that she appears to be doing something. I dunno if this is the case, but if it is then don't worry. We'll help ya out, Okuu!
##Vote:Okuu.
Sorry Okuu. Let's get this over with so we can go freeload at the shrine again, 'k?
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But...and I really don't want to say this...Okuu is looking a bit suspicious now. I mean...I know she's a birdbrain...and I know that she sometimes has trouble with this sort of social event...but I've been around her long enough to know that she does have a brain in there somewhere. Even she'd know that wildly changing your vote isn't a good idea.
Ya'know, maybe Okuu's been possessed! That's right, Okuu doesn't know fancy words unrelated to nuclear forces like "relegate." Maybe she's being forced to spew out nonsense by some evil entity, so that she appears to be doing something. I dunno if this is the case, but if it is then don't worry. We'll help ya out, Okuu!
##Vote:Okuu.
No! Don't tell me YOU'RE ONE OF THEM as well! Why does knowing the word "relegate" makes me suspicious?? Actually I don't even know what that means, are you trying to make me look dumb!? Is "so that she appears to be doing something" implying I'm active lurking in the RVS or something? What IS the RVS? How do I know this term? I bet you're not really Orin and are secretly scum planting words I don't understand in my head to make me look suspicious so that EVERYBODY WILL BE OUT TO GET ME! I KNOW YOU'RE ONE OF THEM! Well, I'll show you!
Vote Sign「Nuclear Synonym Wall」
##Unvote
##Unevict
##Unexpel
##Unremove
##Undismiss
##Uneject
##Unextrude
##Unabolish
##Uneliminate
##Unbanish
##Unrelegate
##Unyuu
##Vote Orin
##Evict Orin
##Expel Orin
##Remove Orin
##Dismiss Orin
##Eject Orin
##Extrude Orin
##Abolish Orin
##Eliminate Orin
##Banish Orin
##Relegate Orin
And one more time for good measure!
##Unvote Orin
##Vote Orin
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Now now, Okuu, what did I tell you about Nuclear Radiation in the house.
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she's a birdbrain
I'm starting to see that :ohdear:
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I'm starting to see that :ohdear:
S-Sanae! Are you mocking me? I bet you're one of them, too! You're probably in cahoots with Orin and are insulting me because I'm the only one who knows what I'm doing!
##Unvote
##Vote Sanae Kochiya
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Whoah Okuu, save the meltdowns for when you have more than 1 vote
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S-Sanae! Are you mocking me? I bet you're one of them, too! You're probably in cahoots with Orin and are insulting me because I'm the only one who knows what I'm doing!
##Unvote
##Vote Sanae Kochiya
No no Okuu, Sanae is the green miko! That's Reimu Hakurei you were talking to!
Also, we've used up a third of our time and still haven't gotten any kind of real discussion going... perhaps I'll try my hand at stirring the pot a little~
##Unvote
##Vote Koishi Komeiji
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Vote Count: MELTDOWN Edition
Reimu Hakurei (1): Sanae Kochiya
Marisa Kirisame (2): Parsee Mizuhashi, Satori Komeiji
Kisume (0):
Yamame Kurodani (0):
Parsee Mizuhashi (1): Kisume
Yuugi Hoshiguma (0):
Satori Komeiji (0):
Orin (1): Marisa Kirisame
Utsuho Reiuji (1): Orin
Koishi Komeiji (1): Koishi Komeiji
Sanae Kochiya (2): Yuugi Hoshiguma, Utsuho Reiuji
Suwako Moriya (0):
Not Voting: Reimu Hakurei, Yamame Kurodani, Suwako Moriya
With 12 votes in play it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is in ~44.5 hours
Yamame and Suwako have been prodded.
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No no Okuu, Sanae is the green miko! That's Reimu Hakurei you were talking to!
Also, we've used up a third of our time and still haven't gotten any kind of real discussion going... perhaps I'll try my hand at stirring the pot a little~
##Unvote
##Vote Koishi Komeiji
I'm not dumb! Sanae is the red miko of the Hakurei shrine! Her last name is Hakurei! I bet you're scumpartners with Orin and Sanae and are trying to hide the truth from me because my nuclear powers are such a threat to you! I bet you're just trying to vote yourself claiming you're "trying to get discussion going" so that you'll look like a hero for trying to start discussion. Well, this raven isn't fooled by your tricks!
##Unvote
##Vote Koishi Komeiji
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Now now, Okuu, what did I tell you about making things up in the middle of an argument?
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I'm not dumb! Sanae is the red miko of the Hakurei shrine! Her last name is Hakurei!
S-Sanae! Are you mocking me? I bet you're one of them, too! You're probably in cahoots with Orin and are insulting me because I'm the only one who knows what I'm doing!
##Unvote
##Vote Sanae Kochiya
caught in a lie
##unvote
##vote: Utsuho Reiuzi
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Sanae, stop picking on the other miko. You're going to make my shrine look bad.
##Vote Sanae Kochiya
I think you have a lot to learn from Reimu. She's taken a vow of poverty, and look at how wise she's become! Also notice how she's a friend to all youkai, to the point that they live around her shrine without fear. Yes, I think you should be studying under her, not trying to get her sent off to be examined by Aya and the others.
Fake edit: Cut. Oh well.
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caught in a lie
##unvote
##vote: Utsuho Reiuzi
B-but I didn't write that! I copypasted it off the first post!
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##Unvote
##Vote: Yamame
You're being awfully quite Yamame, could it be that your scared to be found out ze~?
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This whole discussion leaves me wanting so much more... Nothing's happening!
Also, we've used up a third of our time and still haven't gotten any kind of real discussion going... perhaps I'll try my hand at stirring the pot a little~
"Let's start discussion!" *suicide vote*
She's trying to look helpful without doing anything useful.
##Unvote
##Vote: Koishi Komeiji
As it goes, pulling that one out is the one thing I've liked that the bird's done. Not that you've been helpful or anything... I just... thought I'd mention it... The rest of the bird's play has been a whole lot of nothing so far.
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Hmm, I think there's enough for me to work with now, and a few people have started actually thinking! Hooray~<3 ##Unvote
Satori's been talking a good bit. Nice to see some enthusia-wait a minute, these are all just meta-posts! This is a mafia game more then a roleplay game, and while roleplay is fun and all, you need to actually contribute at the same time. Only roleplaying is nothing more then active lurking in terms of mafia, which is scummy. If there is mafia-contributing in these posts, it's been buried under the Satori-meta.
##Vote Satori Komeiji
This goes for Okuu too, but at least she's been voting people, and even gotten one with real reasoning done, so I suppose for now I can accept it as just having been a combination of roleplay and RVS shenanigans.
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Koishi, what makes her worse than any of the others, such as Suwako and Reimu, who have only been roleplaying so far? I don't see how it's any worse than the people who have only randomvoted either. You seem like you're just jumping on somebody for not making a serious post yet when several other people haven't either! I don't get how your vote is justified at all.
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OM NOM NOM NOM FLAVOUR.
Sorry for the wait. I was too busy hanging upside down and turning Reimu into a zombie.
Silly Witch is Silly, voting inactives ED1.
Utsuho, no more ##Action Towers please.
On that note, there's far too much useless fluff. Satori as Koishi mentioned, and then there's Reimu, Suwako and Kisume. The rest have at least contributed something resembling mafier and not RP. Orin also gets a mention for padding a vote with lots and lots of flavour, making it seem like it's better than it is.
##Vote Satori
Reason for Satori over others is that she's had the most posts other of the four. This means she's had time to actually post, but instead wrote one-liners. Reimu is also pretty bad, and the other two have had only 1 post, perhaps meaning they're more inactive than actively trying to do nothing.
Also, they're moe~
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Yamame, you said Kisume posted "something resembling mafier and not RP". Since when has she posted outside of the confirmation phase?
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Oh wait, nevermind.
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Koishi, what makes her worse than any of the others, such as Suwako and Reimu, who have only been roleplaying so far? I don't see how it's any worse than the people who have only randomvoted either. You seem like you're just jumping on somebody for not making a serious post yet when several other people haven't either! I don't get how your vote is justified at all.
It's true that several players haven't contributed anything to the game, but I'm not sure why that means you can't vote for one of them. Safety in numbers? Also it's weird that your first truly serious post in the game is an immediate defense for someone who has a total of one vote. What made you call out Koishi for voting Satori, instead of calling out Marisa for voting Yamame?
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Koishi, what makes her worse than any of the others, such as Suwako and Reimu, who have only been roleplaying so far? I don't see how it's any worse than the people who have only randomvoted either. You seem like you're just jumping on somebody for not making a serious post yet when several other people haven't either! I don't get how your vote is justified at all.
Yamame pretty much covered this. They posted a jokevote and disappeared; Satori posted a jokevote and then kept popping in a lot without contributing anything more. Actively not doing anything is, IMO, worse then not being here, since there's all kinds of non-scummy reasons for the latter.
Also, lol "randomvoting is not bad, your vote isn't justified!"
And is it just me, or is this a really slow D1? Seriously. Other mafia games have gotten this far in half the time. We're just getting out of jokevote phase and it's been roughly 44 hours; is everyone just busy this week? ohai sanaeninja
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Also it's weird that your first truly serious post in the game is an immediate defense for someone who has a total of one vote. What made you call out Koishi for voting Satori, instead of calling out Marisa for voting Yamame?
I wasn't defending Satori? I wasn't even attacking Koishi in that post, I was asking for clarification. It didn't make sense to me why Koishi chose to vote Satori over the other people who had only been roleplaying up to that point. When I said I didn't understand how it was justified I was talking about her justifying voting Satori over the other roleplayers. It was explained now though, so I'm fine with it I guess.
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Vote Count: -insert spiffy title here- Edition
Reimu Hakurei (0):
Marisa Kirisame (1): Satori Komeiji
Kisume (0):
Yamame Kurodani (1): Marisa Kirisame
Parsee Mizuhashi (1): Kisume
Yuugi Hoshiguma (0):
Satori Komeiji (2): Koishi Komeiji, Yamame Kurodani
Orin (0):
Utsuho Reiuji (2): Orin, Sanae Kochiya
Koishi Komeiji (2): Utsuho Reiuji, Parsee Mizuhashi
Sanae Kochiya (2): Yuugi Hoshiguma, Suwako Moriya
Suwako Moriya (0):
Not Voting: Reimu Hakurei
With 12 votes in play it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is in ~25.5 hours
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Okuu: I guess to me your post read more like "your vote on Satori isn't justified at all" rather than "please explain why you voted for Satori over the other players."
I would also like to see some action from the other half of the playerbase. More posts please!
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OM NOM NOM NOM FLAVOUR.
Sorry for the wait. I was too busy hanging upside down and turning Reimu into a zombie.
Silly Witch is Silly, voting inactives ED1.
Utsuho, no more ##Action Towers please.
On that note, there's far too much useless fluff. Satori as Koishi mentioned, and then there's Reimu, Suwako and Kisume. The rest have at least contributed something resembling mafier and not RP. Orin also gets a mention for padding a vote with lots and lots of flavour, making it seem like it's better than it is.
##Vote Satori
Reason for Satori over others is that she's had the most posts other of the four. This means she's had time to actually post, but instead wrote one-liners. Reimu is also pretty bad, and the other two have had only 1 post, perhaps meaning they're more inactive than actively trying to do nothing.
Also, they're moe~
I appreciate you finally showing up, but you posted two hours before you would have been modkilled. I really don't need to state how bad this makes you look. Don't do it again.
Tempted to vote you for complaining about too much fluff when you haven't even bothered to chime in yourself.
I'm not sure I like your Satori vote, either - I don't see anything useful from anyone until around Parsee's post; everything else is ED1 fluff. If you're going by post count = fluff activity = scum, Utsuho is by far the worst offender; why are you giving her a pass given her content is exclusively fluff (just fluff that contains jokevotes and more than one line)? The vote itself would be fine, except that it also happens to smack of an early bandwagon attempt.
Yeah, I don't like you.
##vote Yamame
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IM gllk; dfkjnk glp bd poxzdygiomf ##Unvote
Reimu sounds pretty sensible. The rest of the names in Yamame's post look like covering bases to me.
Koishi could just have voted Satori and declared it a serious vote to get things out of RVS. The self-vote is worthless as Parsee says. Even without a serious target, she could have made a third vote on someone for a similar effect. These are far more telling actions than a parked vote.
##Vote Koishi
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Eh? "Post once every 24 hour to prevent mod-kill" rule? That's pretty mean, um, lemme rummage up something to say. I tried really hard, but we just random voted as usual, and what one person is saying sounds exactly like what everyone else is saying; I mean, not much going on now enough to warrant me poking my head out of the bucket... Maybe though roleplaying is fun, it is nice to add some actual game content for every post...? You know, time to be serious, I guess.
Stirring the pot sounds pretty fun, so I'll also start throwing objections toward some of you here too. One thing, did Reimu (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6533.msg377485#msg377485) actually vote for anyone? I think I know RV is useless, but I'll be pretty comfortable seeing Reimu place vote on someone soon enough. What I know from our encounter she don't care about personally offending others after all.
Uh, Yamame, what do you mean "something resembling mafier and not RP"? I need you to simplify it to something I can understand.
Finally are we finally starting d1 bandwagon? Awesome! One... two.. three... and seven, so...
##Unvote
##Vote Koishi
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Arrrrrgh! Kisume, what kind of person jumps on a bandwagon (like Koishi's) just because it's the new bandwagon without stating their reasons? Since when was this the norm? Has it always been? I bet you're one of those scum trying to mess with my head with mind tricks! Well, you can't fool me!
##Unvote
##Vote Kisume
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Oh, and while I'm at it, the rest of your post is equally disorienting! You have a paragraph of fluff about the morality of roleplaying without even giving your own final verdict on it (not that it even matters that much). And Reimu just voted somebody a few posts ago! Are you even paying attention? Or are you seriously going after her for voting the mod in the RVS? Arghhh, people like you who try to make me look dumb make me angry.
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My only vote still counts as fourth, so I still think short of three more people irrationally jumping on Koishi bandwagon for fun, she still has good enough time to speak up. I'll determine what to think after then.
Ah, you caught me on the second paragraph though. Though there is morality of roleplaying? I just wanted to caution against FloA, which sounds pretty bad, don't you think?
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My only vote still counts as fourth, so I still think short of three more people irrationally jumping on Koishi bandwagon for fun, she still has good enough time to speak up. I'll determine what to think after then.
Mmm? Well, I didn't think it was really that important right now, but I'll happily oblige~
Okay, so... oh, you didn't post any reasons for voting me other then "lulbandwagon". So who else is voting me? Only Yuugi? Mmkay.
Koishi could just have voted Satori and declared it a serious vote to get things out of RVS. The self-vote is worthless as Parsee says. Even without a serious target, she could have made a third vote on someone for a similar effect. These are far more telling actions than a parked vote.
Even if I voted Satori and declared it serious, at that point in time it still would have only been a jokevote. If asked for my reasoning, I'd be left with nothing to say. Assuming I was even taken seriously at all.
Bandwagoning on Reimu or Marisa, who had 3 votes each, might have worked. It also might have gone unnoticed, or just as "you bandwagoning scum!", and overall I think the effect would have been smaller and less immediate. And moving my jokevote to anyone other then them would probably only be "Koishi switched her jokevote, who cares"
Self-voting generated a non-joke case fairly immediately, albeit on myself, but it certainly seems to have pushed everyone out of the RVS. Satori continuing to emptily roleplay just happened out of nowhere, and gave me my own non-joke case to start looking at. In addition, I'm not the biggest fan of Yamame and her "bandwagon for bandwagons sake, no reasons needed", but I can also see why a town would do it.
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You're still jumping on a bandwagon for no reason beyond that it's a bandwagon and then choosing to think about your vote later. By saying "I'll determine what to think after then", you are pretty much putting off having an opinion, and essentially trying to get away with active lurking since you haven't contributed much up to this point.
Morality probably wasn't the word I was looking for (I-I don't even know many big words anyway!), but when you say "hurrdurr I'm trying to prevent FIoA (what does that even mean? Did you make that term up on the spot?)", it seems like you're trying to turn your paragraph full of fluff into something heroic to make you look less bad. Plus, when you say "which sounds pretty bad, don't you think?", it seems like you're attempting to make yourself good for denouncing something OBVIOUSLY BAD!! to further cement your fluff as being aok when it really isn't.
@ Koishi: Parsee is voting you as well.
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Oh, just to be more clear since Koishi ninja'd me and I was too stupid to correct my post itself: that post was a response to Kisume.
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Uh yeah Kisume's post
*paragraph of nothing* "I'll throw out some content." *incorrect point about Reimu* *question purely for clarification purposes* *jumps on bandwagon with no explanation*
##Unvote, ##vote:Kisume
I have more I wanna say but I'm phonepostin' so I'll have to wait until I can get to my computer, unfortunately.
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@ Koishi: Parsee is voting you as well.
Oh, whoops, misread K4U's votecounts. Well, I think my activities up to this point should cover both of Parsee's reasons; the self-vote being stupid (Which I do admit may certainly be true, but either way, it definitely seems to have worked) and me not doing anything helpful.
I'd like to see a post from Satori before I decide whether I should change to Kisume or not. As far as D1 cases goes, the one on her seems pretty good; I certainly think it's better then the D1 cases we had the last three games, at least.
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Now now, Okuu, what did I say about (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_three_%28writing%29) getting angry at people while voting for them?
I would like to excuse myself from my sister's reasoning by saying that there was nothing I would have used to stir up the pot. Or rather I would like to say that, but it didn't occur to me until recently that Okuu's early voting could be used to confuse others in her intentions. She has since moved away from that. I'm glad she is now working with meaningful votes so I am satisfied that there are signs of scumhunting. I can see greater, (though weirder) efforts coming from my sister as well. I do not believe a vote on Koishi is justifiable at this expanse. This goes double for Kisume's Vote as she only offered a blunt admittance of useless bandwagoning as reason. Such bluntness however gives off a reckless sense of honesty. While I'm still suspicious from her natural behavior I would rather target someone who appears to be hiding something as oppose to her.
This someone I mentioned fifteen words before the end of my previous paragraph is indeed Miss Yamame Kurodani. Yamame proceeds to add several names to her first paragraph under a single fact - That they had not posted anything too mafia-like. I want to see what she defines as "Mafia like" Since everyone had a random vote, and aside from doing something silly (Orin's fluff post justifying the random vote) or Stupid (Dear Sister's Self-vote) there was nothing worth noting. Yamame's vote on me seems to be a padded expansion of what Koishi had provided.
In short, Miss Kurodani is trying too hard at justifying an Early Day One Vote.
##Unvote: Marisa Kirisame
##Vote: Yamame Kurodani
Cut: I still think there is some boldness to Kisume's actions that I feel scum would have a barrier against, but I'm not opposed to her lynch considering the reasoning Sanae just summed up.
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Self-voting generated a non-joke case fairly immediately, albeit on myself, but it certainly seems to have pushed everyone out of the RVS. Satori continuing to emptily roleplay just happened out of nowhere, and gave me my own non-joke case to start looking at.
I apologize for this, but whenever I see a self-vote, I always mentally throw up a roadblock between myself in the bandwagon. The Roadblock is usually a large sign with the words "Incredibly Stupid," and "WiFoM" stamped on the front and back, respectively.
I would also like to argue that your self-vote had absolutely nothing to do with pulling us out of RVS, but I am going to overlook it since your vote on me definitely did, if nothing else.
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Myself and the bandwagon, not "In".
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I would also like to argue that your self-vote had absolutely nothing to do with pulling us out of RVS, but I am going to overlook it since your vote on me definitely did, if nothing else.
It caused Okuu to make a post voting me, said post prompting a response from you that lead to me deciding you were actively lurking. So, I may have never gotten a case on you if I hadn't done it! Of course, that was completely unintentional, sister; but it's an interesting thing to think about. The growing bandwagon on me that lead to the Kisume incident also may have not happened otherwise, or at least not the same.
This being said, normally I wouldn't condone self-voting as good strategy. But whether I should have done it or not, it seems to have lead to some good things. Hopefully it didn't just lead to making a bunch of town look suspicious, though.
What Satori says about Yamame is very true. At the same time, I don't feel it's as bad as she makes it out to be. But then again, it's Yamame's only post, so I'll revisit this situation later. I'd also like to note that if Kisume flips scum, I'll be quite suspicious of my sister from her last post... but that might be thinking ahead too much.
Kisume doesn't look good, and her flip will also help me decide how I feel about Satori; right now, I believe Kisume is definitely my preferred lynch.
##Unvote
##Vote Kisume
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Kisume's bandwagon vote without justification and then her claim that it's just one vote, so it's not like it really matters. Those are definitely the most troubling thing I've seen so far.
##Vote Kisume
As for everyone else, selfvoting is about the most facepalm-worthy RVS shenanigan there is, but with how slow the RVS was running, I can kind of see how a townie might maybe be desperate enough to try it. Not clearing Koishi for trying to pass it off as a good move, but she's not who I find scummiest. Also, posting a whole bunch in RVS only to disappear afterwards might be active lurking, but it could also be timezone stuff. Really, Satori's OMGUS on Yamame bugs me more than any apparent active lurking on her part.
As for Yamame herself, if she hadn't made her case on Satori, and I had been around at that time, I probably would've made a similar case myself. So, I'm not seeing her as particularly scummy for it.
Order of lynchworthiness at this moment looks to me like Kisume, then Satori, then Koishi.
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EBWOP.
##Unvote
##Vote Kisume
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Raymoo, I did just replace in, so... =| And I have reasons for not saying that earlier btw. Going to say it in postgame. Didn't realize whoever was gone that long.
No, my logic wasn't that MOAR POSTS = SCUMMIER. I meant that MOAR POSTS WITHOUT CONTENT = SCUMMIER. Utsuho's posts actually had some content in the midst of the fluff, and I'm willing to write that off as "Silly MoTK is Silly During RVS, but is at least doing something". What I don't like are gems like
"Now now, Okuu, what did I tell you about Nuclear Radiation in the house."
"Now now, Okuu, what did I tell you about making things up in the middle of an argument?"
So, how do you feel about people that aren't me?
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"some resembling mafier and not RP" translates to "Something that might actually resemble Mafia the Forum Game, and not Role Playing completely".
second vote is a bandwagon \o/ When every other person that was voted also having two votes.
Mafier like posts = not dicking around by posting 1 liners as a post like quotes couple lines above, actually doing something
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Satori:
"I can see greater, (though weirder) efforts[refers to scumhunting here] coming from my sister as well. I do not believe a vote on Koishi is justifiable at this expanse."
>Koishi up to this point has voted Satori with the same reasoning as me, and has stated agreement
"Miss Kurodani is trying too hard at justifying an Early Day One Vote."
Vote stays. Don't see the too hard at justifying as it was basically "x is scummy, a b and c have done x, a's done x more, vote a".
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Actually, just realized Marisa voted someone who was about to be modkilled. That is stupid because it's extremely pointless. Would like a post from her.
Don't like Koishi stating both"I concur with Yamame's reason for voting Satori" to "I concur with Satori, who said that Yamame was trying to hard for a vote", because they are rather contradicting.
Can't decide whether Kisume is trying for refuge in audacity with that vote, or is just derpTown. Also, Utsuho, what you brought up about one of Kisume's posts is called Appeal to Emotion btw.
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Yes, I am a replacement. Ask Pesco's cat K4U for confirmation.
Cut by Suwako.
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Vote Count: Kitten4u's hand hurts Edition
Reimu Hakurei (0):
Marisa Kirisame (0):
Kisume (4): Utsuho Reiuji, Sanae Kochiya, Koishi Komeiji, Suwako Moriya
Yamame Kurodani (3): Marisa Kirisame, Reimu Hakurei, Satori Komeiji
Parsee Mizuhashi (0):
Yuugi Hoshiguma (0):
Satori Komeiji (1): Yamame Kurodani
Orin (0):
Utsuho Reiuji (2): Orin
Koishi Komeiji (3): Parsee Mizuhashi, Yuugi Hoshiguma, Kisume
Sanae Kochiya (0):
Suwako Moriya (0):
Not Voting: None
With 12 votes in play it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is in ~20.5 hours
Yes, I am a replacement. Ask Pesco's cat K4U for confirmation.
Confirming that this is true. This Yamame be a replacement.
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So wait, is the Yamame that just posted a replacement, or has Yamame been a replacement since her post where she voted Satori?
Will say what I actually think about her later. Formatting and --- spam is giving me a headache.
Both are the replacement. The original never confirmed. I didn't mention it before on request.
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Satori:
"I can see greater, (though weirder) efforts[refers to scumhunting here] coming from my sister as well. I do not believe a vote on Koishi is justifiable at this expanse."
>Koishi up to this point has voted Satori with the same reasoning as me, and has stated agreement
"Miss Kurodani is trying too hard at justifying an Early Day One Vote."
Don't like Koishi stating both"I concur with Yamame's reason for voting Satori" to "I concur with Satori, who said that Yamame was trying to hard for a vote", because they are rather contradicting.
Concurring on your reason for voting Satori is kind of inferred anyway, seeing as I present basically the exact same argument on Satori before you did. And to be specific on the concurring with Satori, I meant agreement with
Yamame's vote on me seems to be a padded expansion of what Koishi had provided.
However, I really didn't agree with the "trying to hard to justify a ED1 vote" part. I suppose I should have been specific about this, but I wasn't paying a lot of attention since I wasn't even very suspicious of you anyway; Satori was, IMO, making a case where there is something to go on, but it's not really a GOOD case. This is something that happens when you're scum because you usually aim away from your scumbuddies. Speaking of that, she's aiming away from the Kisume lynch, but at the same time saying she agrees with it; if Kisume flips scum, I definitely see Satori as a possible scumpartner. Otherwise, Satori is still my second preferred lynch.
Actually, maybe Satori is my more preferred lynch, now that I think about it? Augh. I don't know. Whatever, I'm perfectly fine with a lynch on either, and Kisume has more votes right now, so I'll stay on her unless things are swinging a different direction when I wake up. ohay more ninjas
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Just pointing out that Orin hasn't said anything since her huge RVS fluffypuff where she voted me. Shouldn't she be prodded?
Already done.
Satori looks pretty bad to me. Aside from cheerleading Kisume, her vote on Yamame seems like a pretty nonsensical OMGUS and I can barely even tell why she's voting (I'm... assuming it's something along the lines of calling out too many people?). How does what Satori even point out make it seem like Yamame is trying too hard to justify a vote? What do her callouts towards people have anything with justifying her vote itself? Why does Satori think Yamame is scummy? I don't think Satori's post explained any of this. Despite having substance to it, the substance seems just as pointless as Kisume's (who is currently reading like derpscum to me, still my top pick).
Speaking of Yamame, she needs to format her posts so that she doesn't give me a headache reading them.
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Er, that should say "as Kisume's vote" (and then the parenthesis stuff).
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Alright, cool, I can actually write my post and look at the thread at the same time now. Let's do words!
Reimu: Not feelin' your case on Yamame. It's weird that you called her out for not being around when you basically did the same thing, except you had more nonsense posts under your belt. Also it was weird how you kind of went "I don't like your vote, by which I mean your vote was fine, except you might be trying to start a bandwagon."
Yuugi: You can't really make a serious vote without having a case. It's not like what separates a serious vote from a joke vote is people appending their vote with "This vote is For Reals" or something. I don't think it's wrong to suspect Koishi for a selfvote, but giving her a list of other stupid things she should have done instead doesn't really help anything.
Koishi: Did you mean Kisume in that last paragraph here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6533.msg378660#msg378660) or are you going off of what Reimu said? Also ditto on Satori regarding Kisume's flip; her last line in this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6533.msg378699#msg378699) reads to me as, she doesn't want Kisume lynched, but she'll hop on the wagon if it looks like it's gonna happen to avoid looking bad.
Satori: If you didn't have anything to contribute in the early game that's cool, but that doesn't mean you needed to keep posting nonsense. If you mentally blocked out the selfvote, that's fine, but that doesn't explain why you made a post anyways. Hoppin' on the Yamame-train because she 'tried too hard' is weird, too. If Koishi votes you it's cool because she's doing her scumhunting thing, but if Yamame votes you for the exact same reason she's in the wrong? You're On Notice, bucko.
OK too many words, I'm gonna stop now. I'd like to see Orin, Marisa, and Parsee come back. That would be swell.
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There are little distinctions between the way everyone votes, and I think it's looking at these distinctions that will ultimately decide if we could get a possible hit on day one. I'm disappointed that more people don't see what I am, but I still feel the need for a vote there.
If you mentally blocked out the selfvote, that's fine, but that doesn't explain why you made a post anyways.
I made it because I thought it would be funny. Clearly, my lack of forethought and my humor in disrepair have lead me to become suspect when I should have lurked instead. Or at least, that's what this accusation seems to imply.
I've made clear my stance on three people that were not Yamame in my last post. They were in fact the three people who I felt had enough information provided in their posts to formulate a decent opinion on that were not Yamame. This game appears to be a little slow in that regards, especially apparent in that only the Moriya Shrine Group has made slight more effort to join the discussion since then.
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Looking at Kisume, it's not even the bandwagon post that looks worst to me - it's bad, but the post after it is just that much worse...
Not to say that first post isn't bad. She says nothing in the first paragraph, misses the Reimu vote and then hops on a bandwagon. Only good thing there is asking about "something resembling mafier" but several others had mentioned that as well.
The next post consists of two things: "I'll say what I think later" and "Yup, you caught me out on that." Cautioning against fluff is fine, but saying someone doesn't have a vote when they voted two posts before you is... /head-desk.
Since I have little choice right now...
##Unvote
##Vote: Kisume
L-2, and I'm sorry, but I won't be back before deadline - otherwise, I'd delay my vote.
Aside from that, wanting to caution people away from "If x is scum, y is scum" since that tends to lead towards "If x is town, y is town" which is BAD BAD BAD I DON'T NEED TO EXPLAIN THIS.
In other news, I'm not seeing Satori's first real post as badly as everyone else, but I also think Yamame's explained the main point (of real mafiers) relatively well since. Wouldn't mind seeing what Satori thinks with regards to that, as opposed to just a defense post.
As an aside, Sanae has made a damn good call on Reimu and Yuugi, and I wouldn't mind seeing more from those two soon.
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Koishi: Did you mean Kisume in that last paragraph here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6533.msg378660#msg378660) or are you going off of what Reimu said?
Whoops, that was a typo. Yeah, I mean Kisume. They're both in the same stage okay ;_;
And Parsee, I assure you, I'm not going to think Satori is town just from a town!Kisume flip. I believe I stated in one of my posts that Satori would still be my preferred second lynch; as of now, at least.
Hmm... somewhere around 12 hours remaining in the day, I think.
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I replaced about an hour before my first post.
Koishi, thanks for clearing that up. That makes much more sense.
Satori, answering questions is a good thing. Utsuho asked one.
Marisa still needs to post, pretty sure she's been prodded.
Willing to change my vote to Kisume to get a lynch. Only thing I don't like about the case on her is the "blatant misrep of Reimu", but that in itself is more "I CAN'T READ" than scummy, because scum(or anyone really) wouldn't gain benefit from it at all.
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Aww.. cosidering how eager you guys are becoming to lynch me, I will explain the justification behind my vote. I do not believe Koishi's "stirring the pot" thing. Firstly although self-voting is good way to generate discussion, that action kind of loses its meaning when the person self-voting herself explicitedly states she is trying "[her] hand at stirring the pot a little~". Now if you self-voted without giving out any justification I can see lot of people jumping up to seriously accuse you, but I wonder what discussion you expected to bring with that post of yours. It's like pressure voting someone while stating your vote is pressure vote.
Second thing that concerned me is the timing she concluded her objective of "stirring the pot" had been made then switched her vote to Satori. There were seven posts between your posts: from Okku, Satori, Sanae, Suwako, Marisa, and Parsee. Satori, Sanae, and Suwako were still joking, another one was a prod vote, making Utsuho and Parsee only one to respond to your actions. Overall I believe Koishi's self-vote had negligible effect and that she might have been better off starting up with her accusation against Koishi in first place. Yuugi brought up the exactly same argument I was thinking, and I determined bandwagon - and Koishi's subsequent response - was necessary for me to get better indication of her alignment.
Her response to Yuugi seem solid for now, but I am curious about the association between me and Satori Koishi suddenly pulls out of nowhere ("I'd like to see a post from Satori before I decide whether I should change to Kisume or not") then subsequently uses it as excuse to vote for me? Ha ha, old chap? I would like to hear from you actual reasoning behind you preferring to vote me over Satori besides than "if Kisume flips scum Satori is likely scum, and though I prefer Satori lynch Kisume currently has more votes on her".
I was not aware of 24 hour before mod-kill rule, and living in an Eastern Canada I did not know if I had passed the deadline or not, so I looked over what stood out the most to me and did what I could before leaving. As it is I still believe my attack on Koishi and Reimu was hardly threatening, since I really doubt that people would have rushed to vote off either of them before hearing from me why. I explicitly bread-crumbed this when I wrote "one.. two.. three.. seven" and have stated my opinion pretty clearly on my response to Okku.
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Vote Count: Holy Shit Kilga Is Actually Doing Something Edition
Reimu Hakurei (0):
Marisa Kirisame (0):
Kisume (5): Utsuho Reiuji, Sanae Kochiya, Koishi Komeiji, Suwako Moriya, Parsee Mizuhashi
Yamame Kurodani (3): Marisa Kirisame, Reimu Hakurei, Satori Komeiji
Parsee Mizuhashi (0):
Yuugi Hoshiguma (0):
Satori Komeiji (1): Yamame Kurodani
Orin (0):
Utsuho Reiuji (1): Orin
Koishi Komeiji (2): Yuugi Hoshiguma, Kisume
Sanae Kochiya (0):
Suwako Moriya (0):
Not Voting: None
Kisume is at L-2!
With 12 votes in play it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is in 6 hours and 40 minutes. Folks with night actions might want to start thinking about them.
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Yamame: I don't think we need to hammer somebody to get a lynch in this game. Doesn't the OP say the person with the majority of votes (currently Kisume) gets lynched if there is no hammer? Or am I reading it wrong?
Kisume: Except, uh, a pressure vote while stating you're pressuring somebody is still pressuring them? If they have more votes they're more likely to get lynched (no way!), so you're still adding pressure even if you say it's for pressure. Also if she hadn't said she was trying to stir the pot a little, I probably wouldn't have voted her for the reasons I voted her for, so she still managed to be succesful.
Your case mainly seems based around Koishi not actually stirring up the pot with her self-vote (which isn't entirely true), but how does that make her scummy? In fact, what do you think is scummy enough about Koishi to justify your vote? All I see is "she wasn't able to stir up the pot, but her other posts seem solid I guess". If anything, her failing to stir up the pot wasn't even her fault, since she couldn't possibly control the responses she got. I fail to see why your case on Koishi makes her look scummy at all, to the point where it really feels like you're grasping onto straws to keep a vote up. Vote stays.
What's your opinion on Satori?
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Aww.. cosidering how eager you guys are becoming to lynch me, I will explain the justification behind my vote. I do not believe Koishi's "stirring the pot" thing. Firstly although self-voting is good way to generate discussion, that action kind of loses its meaning when the person self-voting herself explicitedly states she is trying "[her] hand at stirring the pot a little~". Now if you self-voted without giving out any justification I can see lot of people jumping up to seriously accuse you, but I wonder what discussion you expected to bring with that post of yours. It's like pressure voting someone while stating your vote is pressure vote.
Well they voted me anyway, so it doesn't seem to matter whether I stated my intention or not. It's not like not stating why I'm doing it makes a self-vote any less "what".
Second thing that concerned me is the timing she concluded her objective of "stirring the pot" had been made then switched her vote to Satori. There were seven posts between your posts: from Okku, Satori, Sanae, Suwako, Marisa, and Parsee. Satori, Sanae, and Suwako were still joking, another one was a prod vote, making Utsuho and Parsee only one to respond to your actions. Overall I believe Koishi's self-vote had negligible effect and that she might have been better off starting up with her accusation against Koishi in first place. Yuugi brought up the exactly same argument I was thinking, and I determined bandwagon - and Koishi's subsequent response - was necessary for me to get better indication of her alignment.
So, I should have just kept sitting on myself after I see an actual case I could use my vote for? Uh. Besides, as has been shown already, people kept going from lul to srs afterwards, so it wasn't important for me to stick with the self-vote anymore; especially considering my previous sentence.
Her response to Yuugi seem solid for now, but I am curious about the association between me and Satori Koishi suddenly pulls out of nowhere ("I'd like to see a post from Satori before I decide whether I should change to Kisume or not") then subsequently uses it as excuse to vote for me? Ha ha, old chap? I would like to hear from you actual reasoning behind you preferring to vote me over Satori besides than "if Kisume flips scum Satori is likely scum, and though I prefer Satori lynch Kisume currently has more votes on her".
I was already voting Satori, and was thinking on whether I'd rather keep voting her or switch to you. Plenty of people, including me although not as much as others, have stated plenty of good reasons why to vote you. Also, I went back because I did not recall stating that I'd prefer a Satori lynch over yours, and I didn't find that statement anywhere.
Oh I got ninja'd again, maybe I take too long making my posts :derp:
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(Sorry girls - real life issues are preventing me from writing a more detailed post, and I'm afraid I won't be around for deadline.)
@Yamame: Replacing in an hour before posting changes my opinion of you somewhat. :P
Reimu: Not feelin' your case on Yamame. It's weird that you called her out for not being around when you basically did the same thing, except you had more nonsense posts under your belt. Also it was weird how you kind of went "I don't like your vote, by which I mean your vote was fine, except you might be trying to start a bandwagon."
That's exactly my point, really, and why I felt Yamame's Satori vote was fishy. How are we to quantify useful content when at least half of Day 1 was spent on fluff activities? Why use it as a scum measuring stick at all? Since Yamame was never actually present in-game, this makes her slightly less suspicious, but I still feel that her vote on Satori was finding a convenient nearby case and latching onto it - thus, bandwagon. It was the timing and position of the vote that was weird; otherwise, the vote itself could have been on anyone because you literally could have applied her reasons for voting Satori to nearly anyone else.
I'm happy with my vote. Second up is Kisume, but more because it would be very useful informationally regardless of whether she's town or scum given the fervor behind some of the votes on her wagon. A train like that is great for discerning alignments.
I'm including myself in the following statement and realize it's slightly hypocritical, but a lot of us need to start posting more Day 2.
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Kisume could've, you know, said that when you voted Koishi, instead of saving it til 6 hours before the deadline. Seems like she thought of the reasons while being pressured/after voting Koishi. Read Utsuho's and Koishi's posts for why her reasons aren't good reasons.
Utsuho: Oh, we don't need a hammer. K, won't switch unless something unlikely happens(e.g somehow another possible lynch pops up that I don't like, etc.).
Reimu: Well, yeah, I could've applied it to 3 other people(imo), but I stated reasons why I choose Satori over them. =V It's a matter of actively doing nothing, so posting activity/number of posts actually does matter; if you can make a bunch of posts, why are they all fluff?
Also, where's that black-white witch?
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I gotta go to work but I'll pound this out in a jiffy
Reimu: That's fine, but it seems like that's your only reason, and I don't get why you're sticking with your vote until the end of the day with a case that's based off of one vote from someone's first post in the game. I guess you're gone until D2, but I'd like to hear why you thought that Yamame's vote for Satori made her a better lynch than anyone else today.
Kisume: Your reasoning is pretty weak, and the fact that you waited until you had 5 votes to actually bring it out is super weak. "cosidering how eager you guys are becoming to lynch me, I will explain the justification behind my vote." Like, what, you only have to have reasoning if 5 people call you out on it?
"As it is I still believe my attack on Koishi and Reimu was hardly threatening, since I really doubt that people would have rushed to vote off either of them before hearing from me why." So votes only actually matter if they're about to get someone lynched? It's okay to vote for whoever, for any reason, as long as it's not a hammer or something? I don't like that at all.
Leavin' my vote where it is. Kisume is definitely the scummiest player to me.
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You all bring up really good points on Kisume,
##Unvote
##Vote : Kisume
(I hope I got inbefore the deadline)
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Well don't work too hard, Marisa. Save some scumhunting for the rest of us.
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Is the sarcasm absolutely nessecary? From the way Marisa has been posting (grammar etc) I'm assuming they're a newbie, so uh.
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Gensokyo basically operates on a blend of sarcasm and sly, implied death threats, so I don't think it's inappropriate. Also given that she was absent for most of the day I was hoping for more than "I concur" and a bandwagon vote to push Kisume to L-1. Not sure if that's better or worse than just being gone until D2.
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Unfortunately, this game would be the perfect time to pretend to be a newbie and get slack for it. But seriously, even a newbie should be able to do more then "I agree with you people!" and bandwagon, not to mention when this is only the second post she's made so far(Correct me if I'm wrong)! Would really love to see her at least attempting to contribute on D2.
And speaking of people who've only made one post, did Orin get overwhelmed by her collection of spirits or something? Well, hopefully she'll show up soon and doesn't get modkilled by the time D2 rolls around. It's disappointing when someone gets knocked off just because they aren't posting, whether voluntarily or from RL reasons.
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Vote Count: Majority Lynches > Non-majority Lynches Edition
Reimu Hakurei (0):
Marisa Kirisame (0):
Kisume (6): Utsuho Reiuji, Sanae Kochiya, Koishi Komeiji, Suwako Moriya, Parsee Mizuhashi, Marisa Kirisame
Yamame Kurodani (2): Reimu Hakurei, Satori Komeiji
Parsee Mizuhashi (0):
Yuugi Hoshiguma (0):
Satori Komeiji (1): Yamame Kurodani
Orin (0):
Utsuho Reiuji (1): Orin
Koishi Komeiji (2): Yuugi Hoshiguma, Kisume
Sanae Kochiya (0):
Suwako Moriya (0):
Not Voting: None
Kisume is at L-1!
With 12 votes in play it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is in ~1.5 hours.
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Kisume Townie Bucket Loli (Vanilla Townie) has been deadline lynched!
All night actions need to be sent to both Kilga and myself with in the next 24 - 48 hours.
Flavor will come when I don't need to eat dinner.
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Apologies for the delay; K4U has spent the better part of the day alternating between sleeping and puking her guts up all over the floor. She's updating right now.
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Parsee Mizuhashi Townie Jealous Stalker (Town Tracker) has lost her playable status!
It is now D2. Flavor will come when I feel up to it. Sorry everyone. :<
The Start of D2 Vote Count (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbQVP5pL8rc)
Reimu Hakurei (0):
Marisa Kirisame (0):
Yamame Kurodani (0):
Yuugi Hoshiguma (0):
Satori Komeiji (0):
Orin (0):
Utsuho Reiuji (0):
Koishi Komeiji (0):
Sanae Kochiya (0):
Suwako Moriya (0):
Not Voting: Reimu Hakurei, Marisa Kirisame, Yamame Kurodani, Yuugi Hoshiguma, Satori Komeiji, Orin, Utsuho Reiuji, Koishi Komeiji, Sanae Kochiya, Suwako Moriya
With 10 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is in 72 hours
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Also, just as a side note, if you haven't been doing so already, be careful about where you post with what account. We haven't had any players post in here with their main yet (that I've seen) but there have been one or two game accounts posting elsewhere.
This is just a word of precaution; posting outside the game with a game account by accident won't incur a penalty.
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##Vote: Satori
There are little distinctions between the way everyone votes, and I think it's looking at these distinctions that will ultimately decide if we could get a possible hit on day one. I'm disappointed that more people don't see what I am, but I still feel the need for a vote there.
The bit I underlined looks like a breadcrumbed softclaim to me, which is suspicious given Parsee's flip. The whole post came across to me as oddly defensive lynch paranoia, which is scummy. I want Satori to come forward and explain what her intentions were here.
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My intention was to root out scum where no one else was looking. Turns out I was just wrong. Horribly wrong, considering she was night killed.
In any case, I would like for an explanation from Marisa about her Absence yesterday, considering she switched onto the Kisume wagon rather late. The switch completely solidified Kisume's lynch, and it came up with no justification. I want to at least hear her excuse, and I'll be voting her for lurking until she shows up.
##Vote: Marisa Kirisame
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Edit: Wait a minute, Parsee was the one who died, I was voting Yamame.
What exactly is it you were expecting me to say in response to your vote, Miss Moriya? Unless you somehow think I would claim to be a cop with a night zero investigation or some such? My dialog may be flowery, but I'm not the type to think about breadcrumbing potential claims.
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Satori's late-day D1 posts still look bad to me, but with Kisume flipping town, the only reason her odd vote on Yamame makes sense is if she's just trying to avoid being on a lynch that flips town. But it really seems like something that would ultimately attract more attention then voting Kisume; then again, it's not like scum is always a genius mastermind. Anyway, I'd like to reevaluate everyone else before deciding my vote.
Reimu Hakurei:Her reasoning on Yamame is okay, but... just "okay". It was fine during ED1, but at the end of the day I really felt it wasn't anything worth blaming someone over, which she did with her last post. Exaggerates the bad points on Yamame's case a little bit beyond truth ("case could have been applied to anyone", which wasn't necessarily true) and attacks an ED1 case for not having substantial evidence. IMO, her Yamame case was okay when it was ED1 and completely empty when she kept supporting it at the end of the day. Cheerleads the Kisume case because "I don't care if she's town or scum but her train should be informationally valuble." No skin of her back if Kisume flips town, then.
Hmm... I'm really not liking Reimu, now that I've reread.
Marisa Kirisame:Posts a jokevote, disappears all day, then goes "Oh I agree with the Kisume case!" and bandwagons at the end. Screams newbie, and IMO looks more like newbscum due to lurking all day. Possibly being a fakenewb for slack due to anonymous game. I'd really like to see more content from her.
Yamame Kurodani:Her logic works out fine, she hasn't really done anything scummy-looking to me, her number of posts is neither low nor high. I don't feel she's scum, but she doesn't look particularly town yet to me either. Just kind of not feeling anything, period.
Yuugi Hoshiguma:She posted ED1 voting me for self-voting while suggesting a different stuff I could have done that wouldn't have actually helped. I think Sanae already said that, actually. And what happened to her afterwards? She doesn't have any later posts. The weird thing is I thought she had a Page 3 post, and I can't find it. Guess it was a memory lapse.
Orin:Posted a jokevote and disappeared. A little surprised she hasn't been modkilled yet. Having not posted in THIS long is simply suicidal, so I doubt it's being done on purpose. In other words, no idea if she's town or scum, and if she doesn't post very soon I'm no longer really expecting her to show up. Disappointing, but it happens.
Utsuho Reiuji:Actively scumhunting. Posts are fluffed a little with roleplay, but the fluff is minor and roleplaying in this game is all fine and good. She looks fine to me so far.
Sanae Kochiya:I admit, I'm a littled biased towards her because she's one of the people who's actually actively posting. She seems to be quite actively scumhunting and doing a good job at it, IMO, so I'm thinking she's pretty town.
Suwako Moriya:Logic works fine, but only has 2 posts during D1, I think? Or was it three? I forget. I might be a little biased towards her since she's seeing a lot of stuff in the same way I am... ^^; I'm a little tired of evaluating people by now, too... I don't recall her doing anything scummy looking, but I suppose I should look over her later when I've got a more fresh mind.
I think I'll ##Vote Reimu for reasons stated above. Wouldn't mind a Satori lynch either.
Yuugi and Marisa are LAL-valid choices, both of which I'd like to see a lot more contribution from today; Orin is LAL-valid but her lurking is so ridiculous that I highly doubt it's on purpose, since it's just begging for a modkill.
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Satori: Cool vote. Why is she scum again? IIoA[Information Instead of Analysis]
Reimu was also saying I was scum, so yeah. Don't spread lies like that, and don't try wording your actions to make them better than they seem.
Pretty sure Suwako is looking for clarification on what you said there.
Also, isn't it sad, Parsee? Satori mistook you for me ;_;
Suwako: You're picking a bit too much on random details.
Only thing I feel about Marisa is that she's either a derpscicle, or is pretending to be a derpscicle. Don't really see any scummy intent, because bandwagon jumping when it doesn't matter is not really a great scum tatctic. Also don't see any pro-town-ness for the same reason. She's just one huge ball of anti-town right now.
Reimu, How do you feel about anyone who isn't me? You've said three lines about the other players; one was some RP, the second was a throwaway line about Kisume(without saying what you actually thought she was), and the last was a throwaway line about inactivity.
There are three people who needs posts badly, Yuugi, Marisa, and Orin. I'm not going to really judge them until they post at least one more time.
If you're not mentioned, you're probably fine with me.
Going to go with Satori again. Newest posts was defense, and a vote backed by IIoA. Also, just noticed her stance on Kisume was rather flimsy.
"I still think there is some boldness to Kisume's actions that I feel scum would have a barrier against, but I'm not opposed to her lynch considering the reasoning Sanae just summed up"
First part says Kisume isn't scum, second part is that she's somewhat fine with her lynch because there are such great reasons. Uh, yeah.
##Vote Satori
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Reimu: That's fine, but it seems like that's your only reason, and I don't get why you're sticking with your vote until the end of the day with a case that's based off of one vote from someone's first post in the game. I guess you're gone until D2, but I'd like to hear why you thought that Yamame's vote for Satori made her a better lynch than anyone else today.
It was a combination of that and not really liking any of the other cases made during the day; I thought my point on Yamame taking a convenient stab at Satori was scummier than anything anyone else did, no more and no less. The fact that she wasn't voting Kisume makes her look better D2, so she's not really worth of pursuit at the moment.
Reimu Hakurei:Her reasoning on Yamame is okay, but... just "okay". It was fine during ED1, but at the end of the day I really felt it wasn't anything worth blaming someone over, which she did with her last post. Exaggerates the bad points on Yamame's case a little bit beyond truth ("case could have been applied to anyone", which wasn't necessarily true) and attacks an ED1 case for not having substantial evidence. IMO, her Yamame case was okay when it was ED1 and completely empty when she kept supporting it at the end of the day. Cheerleads the Kisume case because "I don't care if she's town or scum but her train should be informationally valuble." No skin of her back if Kisume flips town, then.
If I was more comfortable with Kisume's lynch, I would have voted her. But when I made my last post D1, Kisume was at L-2 and there was very little real chance of me swinging a significant number of town to my preferred lynch. I stated my acceptance of the Kisume lynch because in lieu of someone I thought had the best chance of being scum, an informational lynch would be better than just shooting blankly into the dark. Calling that "cheerleading" is hardly fair, and frankly looks like you're trying to deflect attention away from yourself, given you were very supportive of the Kisume lynch yourself.
Other thoughts:
-Marisa looks terrible, but I don't see her as scummy at the moment. In a game that requires only a majority to lynch, it makes no sense for scum to stick their neck out by planting a useless vote on a townie.
-Orin looks worse than Marisa, and I'm pretty sure she was past her modkill time before D1 ended if I'm reading timestamps correctly, which makes me wonder why she hasn't been killed yet. If she manages to get in here before she is killed, she has a lot of explaining to do.
Now, since the chances are quite high that the Kisume lynch was at least partially scum-motivated, let's look at everyone that voted her D1. Marisa I covered earlier, and I don't feel she's worth pursuing as scum at this point in time. Parsee is dead. That leaves Utsuho, Sanae, Koishi, and Suwako.
-Suwako I have a bad gut feeling about, but that's mostly because they're obviously an experienced player and gut means little past D1. She hasn't posted much, but what she has posted seems solid enough. Her vote on Kisume doesn't seem overly opportunistic, either, which means it might have been genuine scumhunting.
-Koishi seems a little flaky, and seems to be deflecting as noted in my paragraph above. I'll need to do a bigger reread on her. Her position in the Kisume lynch appears to be in the "safe vote" range for scum, as well.
-I'm running out of time to do a detailed read on Utsuho and Sanae. It'll have to wait until I return this evening.
Right now, I'm leaning Koishi as the scum in that vote lineup, but I'm being herded out the door as we speak. Will have more analysis and a vote as soon as I can.
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When the flip turns up a townie, you look at the wagon. Ustuho and Sanae's vote and backing is solid enough for what happened. If Kisume's response managed to deter them from staying on, it would be highly suspicious. Koishi's mid-wagon jump doesn't feel too convincing.
What Satori says about Yamame is very true. At the same time, I don't feel it's as bad as she makes it out to be. But then again, it's Yamame's only post, so I'll revisit this situation later. I'd also like to note that if Kisume flips scum, I'll be quite suspicious of my sister from her last post... but that might be thinking ahead too much.
Kisume doesn't look good, and her flip will also help me decide how I feel about Satori; right now, I believe Kisume is definitely my preferred lynch.
Fence-sitting a bit on Yamame and Satori, then taking the alternate option. Koishi's previous post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6533.msg378660#msg378660) didn't show inclination to lynch Kisume. Kisume hadn't posted either, so when did the opinion change?
Suwako is fine since it's clear that there's been scumhunting going on. Marisa needs to post so that I can decide between throwaway or deadline vote.
##Vote Koishi
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Fence-sitting a bit on Yamame and Satori, then taking the alternate option. Koishi's previous post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6533.msg378660#msg378660) didn't show inclination to lynch Kisume. Kisume hadn't posted either, so when did the opinion change?
Saying Kisume's reason for voting me was "lulbandwagon" was a really insubstantial way to say I didn't think it was good. I should have been more clear on that.
Also, you missed this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6533.msg378692#msg378692) post. Here I make it more clear how I feel about Kisume, and I state that I'm waiting for a post from the person I'm currently voting (Satori) before I decide whether I want to change or not.
Satori's post came quickly, and I didn't like it at all. At the same time, some stuff it said would make a lot of sense if Satori and Kisume were scumpartners; so that was enough to make me decide Kisume was worth lynching more, since if it flipped scum (which my previous post said I thought it would), it'd also give me great evidence on Satori being scum.
As for the Yamame fencesit, it didn't take long for me to decide that I didn't feel what Yamame was doing was scummy at all. I'm not sure if I stated so before my D2 post or not.
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Vote Count: Replacing People Sucks Edition
Reimu Hakurei (1): Koishi Komeiji
Marisa Kirisame (1): Satori Komeiji
Yamame Kurodani (0):
Yuugi Hoshiguma (0):
Satori Komeiji (2): Suwako Moriya, Yamame Kurodani
Orin (0):
Utsuho Reiuji (0):
Koishi Komeiji (1): Yuugi Hoshiguma
Sanae Kochiya (0):
Suwako Moriya (0):
Not Voting: Reimu Hakurei, Marisa Kirisame, Orin, Utsuho Reiuji, Sanae Kochiya
With 10 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is in ~54.5 hours
Orin requested a replacement. Looking for one now, if I don't find one soon I'll hit the modkill button. Will decide what to do with this one other thing when I'm more awake.
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Please, forgive me, IRL I was stricken with a terrible headache that left me bedridden all day, then in a haze I came on knowing I had to post something, so I did my Kisume vote. There is your explanation Ms. Satori.
Parsee was voting Ms. Koishi before she was night killed, but I can tell highly skilled mafia player wouldn't kill the first person that voted them. But unfortuantly thats all I have to really go on at the moment.
##Vote: Koishi Komeiji
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Edit: Wait a minute, Parsee was the one who died, I was voting Yamame.
What exactly is it you were expecting me to say in response to your vote, Miss Moriya? Unless you somehow think I would claim to be a cop with a night zero investigation or some such? My dialog may be flowery, but I'm not the type to think about breadcrumbing potential claims.
If I thought you were a cop of any sort, I wouldn't have drawn attention to your comment in the first place. Defensive breadcrumbing is a really dubious technique anyway, and Parsee's flip makes it look like if you were trying to breadcrumb some sort of power role, then you were lying about it. Real power roles want to do the opposite of breadcrumbing anyway, because when people do play as though they have powers, they get NK'd.
Now, it's starting to look like I'm the only one seeing this particular point, so I could be reading too deeply into Satori's words, but her reaction to pressure yesterday just set off alarm bells for me. Her claim today that Marisa's vote solidified Kisume's lynch is also really flimsy, and reads to me like an excuse to put a vote on someone who won't be able to defend herself. My vote is staying where it is.
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Vote Count: RESURRECTION Edition
Reimu Hakurei (1): Koishi Komeiji
Marisa Kirisame (1): Satori Komeiji
Yamame Kurodani (0):
Yuugi Hoshiguma (0):
Satori Komeiji (2): Suwako Moriya, Yamame Kurodani
Orin (0):
Utsuho Reiuji (0):
Koishi Komeiji (2): Yuugi Hoshiguma, Marisa Kirisame
Sanae Kochiya (0):
Suwako Moriya (0):
Not Voting: Reimu Hakurei, Orin, Utsuho Reiuji, Sanae Kochiya
With 10 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is in ~44 hours
Utsuho and Sanae have been prodded. Orin replaces Orin. Thanks!
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I have thoughts but I don't know how to organize them into a coherent post, but I have to pound this shit out before I finish pirating Umineko EP6 so I'm just gonna go for it.
I don't like Satori or Koishi, but I like Satori less. ##vote: Satori
For Satori:
Post #65 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6533.msg378699#msg378699) - Yamame vote was weak. I don't think your reasoning followed through; you said you were going for someone who seemed to be hiding something, then said her vote was the same as Koishi's but padded, and then said she was trying too hard for a day 1 vote. My brain can't connect those dots. If anything, you were the one that was trying too hard. Also your "I won't vote for Kisume but it's fine if you lynch her" doesn't really look good.
Post #78 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6533.msg378964#msg378964) - "There are little distinctions between the way everyone votes, and I think it's looking at these distinctions that will ultimately decide if we could get a possible hit on day one. I'm disappointed that more people don't see what I am, but I still feel the need for a vote there." I actually have no idea what you were trying to say there. Whatever it was, you didn't follow through with it. You just left your vote sitting on Yamame and didn't post again until Kisume was lynched. I don't buy your defense of that last line, either. If you weren't trying to say something about your alignment or your role, then I don't know why you would say something like "people don't see what I am."
Post #100 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6533.msg380053#msg380053) - Super weak vote on Marisa. Her vote was like 2 hours before the deadline; did you seriously expect that there was going to be a sudden shift there, given the pace of the game? To me it feels like you're just dropping your vote on the easiest target, especially given that your only other content today is some flimsy defense. I don't really see you doing any scumhunting at all.
oh god torrent is done
For Koishi: Too much waffling. Also your case on Satori seems to have disappeared now that people are actually starting to be suspicious of her. Went from "Kisume lynch will help me decide how I feel about Satori" (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6533.msg378720#msg378720) to "Satori is my second-preferred lynch if Kisume doesn't flip scum (or maybe she's my most preferred lynch (I'm fine with Kisume or Satori but I'll stay on Kisume because she's the vote leader))" (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6533.msg378815#msg378815) to "Well I didn't actually say I'd prefer a Satori lynch over Kisume" (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6533.msg379189#msg379189) to "Well Kisume flipped town so I don't know about Satori, I mean, *wifom waffling* *votes Reimu instead*" (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6533.msg380066#msg380066)
Her Reimu case seems to be "Her vote on Yamame was OK when there wasn't much to work with but she stuck with it until the day ended" which is exactly what Satori did, soooooo yeah
Man now that I have it down I really feel like they're both scum. It seems to fit, anyways. Hmm.
This post is really long. I'll try to examine the other players tomorrow. Also hi Orin please make some posts thanks!!
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I don't really agree with a Marisa lynch at this juncture, the claims that she could easily be a normal player pretending to be a newbie to catch slack are WIFOM, and even if they were, I don't see why said player would bother drawing attention by placing a vote with no reasoning on a townie wagon if they were scum. Don't want to see her in lylo though if she's going to be a deadweight like she has been so far.
Anyway
##Vote Satori
She still hasn't answered my question about why she thought Yamame was scum, because I really really don't see that. I-is she ignoring me?! Additionally, I feel her vote on Marisa is pretty much an easy way out of contributing: rather than attempting to post her opinion on anybody, she's chasing after an easy target in an apparent newbie. Plus, her claim that Marisa's vote "solified" Kisume's lynch is... stretching it, in my opinion.
Hi sanaeninja
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Also:
My intention was to root out scum where no one else was looking.
I'd like to point out that the "where no one else was looking" part of this is bs. Reimu had already voted Yamame before you.
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She still hasn't answered my question about why she thought Yamame was scum, because I really really don't see that.
Just realized how awkwardly I worded this. It should read "because I really really don't see why she did".
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Does this mean Orin will post now? =V
Marisa: Yeah, not sure how hard you've been trying, but try harder. =|
Don't see anything really wrong with Reimu's list of opinions. Nice that she made one though. What did you mean by "Orin is worse than Marisa"? If you meant scummier, that wouldn't make much sense as no one would get into modkill territory on purpose.
Utsuho's and Sanae's posts mostly repeat what's been said, but that's because they're almost the last two people to post their first post in Day 2. Nice summaries of the cases on each person, and Sanae's post made me go back and realize that Koishi's been avoiding directly voting Satori despite her constant suspicion of Satori.
Yuugi: Not necessarily; it's a good place to start, but you should also look at what people jumped off, avoided it, etc.
Satori hasn't posted another post yet. Sorta surprised at L-2 this early, but it's not like were going to suddenly have two people hammer her without causing huge suspicion.
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Sanae:Oh, trust me, I'm still all for a Satori lynch, and stated so in my post. However, there was already a vote for her, and possibly more coming; so I went, "Hey, well I'm thinking Reimu looks scummy too, I should point that out because no one has said that yet!". I'll switch my vote to Satori at the end of the day if I need to in order to ensure Reimu or Satori is lynched; although with the way the Satoriwagon is going, and we don't need a majority to lynch, it probably won't be needed.
And I just realized what you mean about both Reimu and Satori both doing the exact same thing. Hmm. I guess I'm at another "If x is scum then y is more likely scum" kind of things. There was a large amount of time between the votes too, which serves to lessen the chance of an association being realized; although that may have happened from Satori simply not being there to post, as well.
Man now that I have it down I really feel like they're both scum. It seems to fit, anyways. Hmm.
I'd like clarification on whether you meant Me/Satori or Reimu/Satori. Although I suppose it's most likely the former, the placing of this sentence in your post suggests the latter as well, so I want to be sure.
In response to Yamame's post; I'm not really avoiding with the intention of stopping a lynch. Kisume case also looked scummy, and nearly everyone agreed on that; plus it could have given information on Satori, which didn't work out. The vote on Reimu, I covered the reasons for already. And the vote on Reimu shall stay, especially since there really isn't any reason to set Satori at L-1.
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Just popping in. Still no Orin, I see. I'd really like some content from her~
Other people have been pursuing Satori, and I like a few of the points that have been brought up, specifically the weak-ass Marisa vote earlier today - which by itself is nearly good enough for a vote. I prefer Koishi as a lynch candidate today, as if we weigh the evidence on Satori and Koishi equally, Koishi was on the Kisume wagon, which in my opinion pushes the priority on removing her from the game.
What did you mean by "Orin is worse than Marisa"? If you meant scummier, that wouldn't make much sense as no one would get into modkill territory on purpose.
Marisa popped in late D1 and did something so incredibly stupid it could only be from a newbtown. I frown on that sort of play, but it doesn't really make her scummy. Orin's had a couple fluffs posts ED1 and nothing since, yet managed to avoid a modkill the whole time until she got replaced. In short, Marisa has the newbtown "out" by the derpvote late Day 1 that Orin does not have - that is why I view Orin as worse than Marisa.
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Reimu:If you think Satori, and moreso me, both look so scummy, why aren't you actually using your vote on one of us?
A bit disappointed that Orin's replacement still hasn't posted.
I had two paragraphs about Marisa to post but they add up to fluff and "god this play is bad". I have a feeling you people don't want to see them, so I removed 'em.
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Reimu:If you think Satori, and moreso me, both look so scummy, why aren't you actually using your vote on one of us?
What the-
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I could have sworn I did in that post. Whoops!
##vote Koishi
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Also, you missed this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6533.msg378692#msg378692) post. Here I make it more clear how I feel about Kisume, and I state that I'm waiting for a post from the person I'm currently voting (Satori) before I decide whether I want to change or not.
Satori's post came quickly, and I didn't like it at all. At the same time, some stuff it said would make a lot of sense if Satori and Kisume were scumpartners; so that was enough to make me decide Kisume was worth lynching more, since if it flipped scum (which my previous post said I thought it would), it'd also give me great evidence on Satori being scum.
Your linked post came after more people had voted Kisume. And why should a post from Satori have any bearing on your read of Kisume if there are no flips to work with? Now that Kisume is known town, what happened to your idea of her being scum with Satori? Is Satori still scum?
Sanae has the Satori case down pretty solid and I want to see a response. I'll switch if a Koishi lynch can't happen today.
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And why should a post from Satori have any bearing on your read of Kisume if there are no flips to work with? Now that Kisume is known town, what happened to your idea of her being scum with Satori? Is Satori still scum?
Satori's post made a Kisume lynch more valuble, because of the possible link.
Kisume being town doesn't mean Satori isn't scum. I've stated this numerous times already. The only reason my vote wasn't on her at the start of D2 is I wanted to point out Reimu. Satori certainly hasn't made herself look any better since D2 started, either.
Now that it looks like either me or Satori will be lynched, though, I'll probably need to switch my vote to her soon. My case on Reimu certainly doesn't seem to be going anywhere today, anyway.
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Satori certainly hasn't made herself look any better since D2 started, either.
Now that it looks like either me or Satori will be lynched, though, I'll probably need to switch my vote to her soon. My case on Reimu certainly doesn't seem to be going anywhere today, anyway.
Voting someone else to save your skin seems scummy(?) to me.
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Voting someone else to save your skin seems scummy(?) to me.
This is a better observation then the other things you've come up with :)
However, would anyone really NOT do this? Town or scum? If you know you're town, then anyone else automatically has a greater chance of being scum then you do. Besides, I've felt Satori was scummy for pretty much the whole game regardless.
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Besides, I've felt Satori was scummy for pretty much the whole game regardless.
Because of her roleplaying or the cases that Sanae summed up?
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Because of her roleplaying or the cases that Sanae summed up?
Roleplaying was a better case then a jokevote for ED1. Afterwords it's basically been the stuff Sanae said. Voting someone on D2 because their RVS posts were fluffy would be ridiculous.
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Vote Count: Kitten4u needs to make sure she changes the titles of these things before posting them Edition
Reimu Hakurei (1): Koishi Komeiji
Marisa Kirisame (1): Satori Komeiji
Yamame Kurodani (0):
Yuugi Hoshiguma (0):
Satori Komeiji (4): Suwako Moriya, Yamame Kurodani, Sanae Kochiya, Utsuho Reiuji
Orin (0):
Utsuho Reiuji (0):
Koishi Komeiji (3): Yuugi Hoshiguma, Marisa Kirisame, Reimu Hakurei
Sanae Kochiya (0):
Suwako Moriya (0):
Not Voting: Orin
With 10 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is in ~20 hours
Satori, Orin and Suwako have been prodded.
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For the past few days (Ever since the game began) I've had something like the flu. I'd give more details but that would only just out my meta. The only part you need to know is that I'm usually either in severe pain or asleep. It won't go away soon either, so for better or worse just assume my mind rests within the variables of "out of it" and "completely hosed."
My vote on Yamame yesterday still makes sense to me. The way I read her vote on me, it seemed to be along the lines of "I agree with Koishi, but let's add some more fluff to the post to make it sound like my idea." Which is why I voted saying I believed she tried too hard, and why I felt she was "Hiding" something. The "I wish more people would see what I am." part is referring to the fact that no one else seemed to believe that was true. I was probably just overreacting to the way it was written, and I'll ago ahead and admit I'm probably wrong there now that I've felt the other side of that argument (Suwako did that same thing against me at the start of day two).
First part says Kisume isn't scum, second part is that she's somewhat fine with her lynch because there are such great reasons. Uh, yeah.
The quote you're referring to was something I worded poorly. I wanted to say I believe Kisume's actions stemmed more from being an idiot than from alignment. I had no reason to believe Kisume was town at that time.
I still don't like Marisa's voting patterns. I realize there's not any solid scum motivation for her jump on Kisume's wagon, but there's definitely no town motive either. It doesn't help that just just recently started applying cognition to the game in post 122. She seems to be trying to survive using Refuge in Audacity. Also, no, voting someone else to save yourself is pretty much the ideal way of scumhunting, since it pretty much pyramids people into finding the most scummy person. But that's assuming everyone is taking the time to think about without bias.
I don't see anything wrong with Reimu. Her logic seems internally consistent, And I don't see why her case on Yamame was any worse than the case on Kisume. The main complaint I see is that Reimu held onto a case made from Early day one until the end of the day, but Yamame did pretty much the exact same thing with her vote on me. Either I'm missing something or Koishi's vote is misplaced.
I have a condensed PBP analysis written down already, but it's getting hard for me to form coherent opinions again. I'll make this quick so I can get it out before I go to bed.
Suwako looks okay, but pretty paranoid.
Sanae look really good, and the only thing I don't like about her Massive case is that it's on me.
Koishi seems pretty bad since she seems to be sticking to a very poor case on Reimu against the case on me. Repeated use of "If X is scum, Y is scum." With me as Y both times is something I suspect as Lining up town lynches.
Okuu I haven't seen anything impressive from since her contributions to the Kisume Case. Scum vibes, but nothing to build an entire case out of.
Orin is getting a new leash after this incident.
Yuugi needs more details in her posts. I can see where she comes from, but I can see her intentions all that clearly.
And finally; Yamame in 103, and a few other places, you argue that Reimu is tunneling on you, but aside from a throw away comment on Marisa in the same post, or Kisume in post 87, I don't see any hints of your opinions on anyone else besides myself. That seems rather hypocritical.
So, anyway my list seems to go from Koishi, Marisa, Orin and Yamame (not sure of the order) to finally Yuugi. I really don't want to take my eye off of Marisa just yet, but I doubt I'll convince people it's worth switching to her today.
##Unvote
Vote: Koishi Komeiji
On that note, I need a vote count and a deadline. Thank you.
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I'm still content with my vote on Satori, but this little blurb from Yamame:
Willing to change my vote to Kisume to get a lynch. Only thing I don't like about the case on her is the "blatant misrep of Reimu", but that in itself is more "I CAN'T READ" than scummy, because scum(or anyone really) wouldn't gain benefit from it at all.
makes me feel kinda of wary. It seems like Yamame could have easily been attempting to take advantage of a (non-existant) rule to set up a jump onto the Kisume wagon while staying without any sort of tie to it in case she decided not to jump later. This draws more attention because nobody had actually been saying anything of the sort regarding switching votes for a lynch, so Yamame would be more obligated to bring the fake rule up if there was some sort of intent behind it (I'm probably explaining/wording this poorly, but oh well). Of course, this might not mean anything depending on Satori's flip since that's who Yamame was on at the time, but it seems worth noting to me.
Might not be around for the deadline. Not really sure.
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Looks like Satori and Koishi are tied, and Satori's probably going to have another vote on her when Koishi shows up next. Nothing since my last post has swayed me from preferring a Satori lynch to a Koishi one. However, Orin's inactivity is starting to get to the point where she'd be a liability even as town. I'll be here right up to the deadline, so if enough people are willing to switch their votes to her and leave the Komeiji question until tomorrow, I'd be willing to join them.
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The main complaint I see is that Reimu held onto a case made from Early day one until the end of the day, but Yamame did pretty much the exact same thing with her vote on me. Either I'm missing something or Koishi's vote is misplaced.
Koishi seems pretty bad since she seems to be sticking to a very poor case on Reimu against the case on me. Repeated use of "If X is scum, Y is scum." With me as Y both times is something I suspect as Lining up town lynches.
Yes, both cases were made ED1. The difference is, Yamame never really started looking any scummier then she did ED1, while even most of the people voting me agree that you just kept looking worse and worse. Continuing to vote you is perfectly justified.
Yamame, on the other hand, not so much. For one thing, the fact that she had replaced in an hour before her post removes the reason against her that she posted 2 hours before the 24 modkill rule, and even Reimu said "@Yamame: Replacing in an hour before posting changes my opinion of you somewhat. :P". Next, many of the reasons in this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6533.msg379194#msg379194) aren't even solid. Since my case is being called weak, I'll go into specifics.
How are we to quantify useful content when at least half of Day 1 was spent on fluff activities? Why use it as a scum measuring stick at all?
It's an ED1 case. It's better then a jokevote. Using this as a case later in the day would be bad, but when most people are still in RVS, I don't see anything wrong with it. This is practically a self-parrot of what I said to Marisa a post or two ago, actually.
still feel that her vote on Satori was finding a convenient nearby case and latching onto it - thus, bandwagon.
Okay, I'll give her this point. But I don't see this alone as a good reason when I feel all the other reasons are bad.
It was the timing and position of the vote that was weird; otherwise, the vote itself could have been on anyone because you literally could have applied her reasons for voting Satori to nearly anyone else.
I know this has been answered so many times, but since it should be in this post, I'll say it again; Satori kept posting one-liner fluff posts all throughout ED1 and nothing else aside from her initial jokevote; Okuu had the second most fluff, but she actually was on a serious case already. Satori was basically active lurking, which I don't feel others could really have been blamed for at that point in the game.
Satori's case on Yamame wasn't as bad as Reimu's IMO, although it still wasn't great and looked really out of place. Anyway, enough with my case on Reimu.
Back to that quote at the beginning of my post, the second paragraph in it; yeah, if Satori flips town, that's going to make me look really bad. Even if I wasn't nearly being lynched today, I wouldn't be surprised to get lynched tomorrow. As it is, if Satori flips town, I honestly don't expect to not be lynched tomorrow.
My vote has been on Reimu because my vote wasn't previously needed to get my other preferred lynchee lynched, Satori. Now, my vote is needed there, and there it shall go.
##Unvote
##Vote Satori Komeiji
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Utsuho: You're assuming I read the rules properly before I posted that. =V Also, random backtrack.
...So does this mean Orin is actually going to post now? This is stupid. She might as well not be playing at this rate. Can we honestly just remove her from the game? There's no way a replacement who hasn't posted in 24 hours after the previous person was away for 1.5 game days is going to make up all that time.
Satori: Say so earlier, jeez. Saving things like that for the last minute is stupid. Hell, I would've said that I was a replacement in my first instead of second post if I knew I was close to being modkilled.
"If you're not mentioned, you're probably fine with me." <--Post 103
No need to list out all the people that I'm fine with.
Marisa: That's a null tell, as both town and scum would want to survive, albeit for different reasons.
Suwako: While not a bad suggestion, I really don't want to waste a lynch on someone who should honestly just be modkilled at this point.
Koishi: f Satori flips town, that's going to make me look really bad. Even if I wasn't nearly being lynched today, I wouldn't be surprised to get lynched tomorrow. As it is, if Satori flips town, I honestly don't expect to not be lynched tomorrow.
No. Tomorrow should be mylo assuming Satori is town, there are 3 scum & the scum NK goes through, so if you're town, you do not say "durr I'm doomed if my pick for scum is town". That's a stupid mindset for any townie. There is no reason why you would even need to say this.
Rest of your posts are Q&A sessions. While nice, they contain no analysis.
Current picks for scum are Satori and/or Koishi, and maybe Utsuho. Wildcards being Marisa and Orin because Marisa is derp and Orin doesn't exist, and they're more likely than Utsuho really. I'm debating whether or not to switch to Koishi.
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Apologies for taking so long, but I had to go over to the friendly people from the moon in that Eternal Mansion to renew my monthly supply of Goofballs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dextroamphetamine) before I was able to post! *Om nom nom*. That's better, now, where were we? Oh. Right, this... game of sorts.
Screw RP, this is trainwrecky to the point where getting info out is more important. Reimu, I hate your D1 reasons for voting Yamame, LAL does not work on D1, especially if all you have is a single isolated case of someone posting shortly before prod. Not much a fan of any of your posts D1, really, but there are bigger fairies to capture around these parts, seriously.
(@mod: is it really necessary to state that someone has been replaced in an Anonymafia game?)
Probably not, but considering how close this playerslot was to being modkilled I figured it was smart.
I absolutely love Marisa's L-1 vote on Kisume. You had like 3.5 hours, you could have attempted something slightly more than just an awkward L-1 wagon hop onto someone that flipped Townie today. Christ. And I disagree with the rest of Town that this is "too scummy of a move for a scum to do", considering K4U (i.e. the damn moderator of this game) pulled this exact move in MoTK Mafioso and somehow managed to evade pressure from everyone for it.
##Vote: Marisa Kirisame
Not seeing the Satori case at all, sorry. Seems to boil around "D1 case on Kisume is a bit weak" (no shit, it's a D1 case), and too much defending today, which, while it's a valid point, certainly doesn't put her ahead a bunch of other people, notably Marisa and then Reimu, in that order.
Not sure what I think of Koishi, or anyone else really. Need to reread everyone before I can say for certain. I do recall my eyes just passing over most of Koishi's posts without actually processing them, which is never a good sign, but I'm reasonably confident with my Marisa vote at this point. LALu, seriously. You'd think that you'dve learned this by now.
Will be around up to and including deadline, and will switch vote if needed, though I'd prefer lynching uh the person I actually think is scum! Holy Hell of Blazing Fires people, seriously.
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Vote Count: Now with more votes!
Reimu Hakurei (0):
Marisa Kirisame (1): Orin
Yamame Kurodani (0):
Yuugi Hoshiguma (0):
Satori Komeiji (5): Suwako Moriya, Yamame Kurodani, Sanae Kochiya, Utsuho Reiuji, Koishi Komeiji
Orin (0):
Utsuho Reiuji (0):
Koishi Komeiji (4): Yuugi Hoshiguma, Marisa Kirisame, Reimu Hakurei, Satori Komeiji
Sanae Kochiya (0):
Suwako Moriya (0):
Not Voting: No one
With 10 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is in ~7 hours
Satori is at L-1
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And I disagree with the rest of Town that this is "too scummy of a move for a scum to do"
It wasn't "too scummy", more like "too stupid". This is a game where you don't need a majority vote to lynch someone, so having another vote on Kisume when no other case was nearly as large was completely useless.
The only GOOD point of Marisa's D1 post for someone of any possible alignment, is for the pure sake of posting, so you aren't modkilled or still lurking. And it's such an immensely low-effort post of shameless bandwagon, that... I don't even know, god, I can't deal with immense lack-of-words. This is much more extreme then your average lurking >_>;
I'm not against a Marisa lynch because of the possibly of WiFoM-fakenewb or complete derpscum, but I have no idea where I sit on this fence. I'd rather go after someone I'm more sure of being scum today, which is Reimu or Satori.
Also, when you say "Seems to boil around "D1 case on Kisume is a bit weak" (no shit, it's a D1 case)", you meant to say Yamame instead of Kisume right? Satori voted Yamame.
Bluh, after Orin talks about the Satori case, suddenly I feel so indecisive about it. I'd rather lynch Reimu then Satori, but that's certainly not happening. Well, I'd still rather lynch Satori then Marisa, and I have a feeling most people will feel that way, replacing "Satori" with "Koishi" depending on person, rendering a Marisa lynch today unpossible anyway, so for better or for worse, I'm staying on Satori.
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I absolutely love Marisa's L-1 vote on Kisume. You had like 3.5 hours, you could have attempted something slightly more than just an awkward L-1 wagon hop onto someone that flipped Townie today. Christ. And I disagree with the rest of Town that this is "too scummy of a move for a scum to do", considering K4U (i.e. the damn moderator of this game) pulled this exact move in MoTK Mafioso and somehow managed to evade pressure from everyone for it.
I wouldn't call it "too scummy of a move for scum to do." I'd call it too irrelevant to give a tell either way. Nothing else she could've done with her vote would've made a difference, so she's either derptown trying to contribute, or derpscum trying to look like she's trying to contribute. Pure nulltell. Now, tell me if I'm missing something here, but at the moment your case looks so baseless it makes me think you're scum, seeing how the Satori case isn't all that vehement and figuring you can squeeze in a mislynch and put off Satori's lynching 'till tomorrow.
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I absolutely love Marisa's L-1 vote on Kisume. You had like 3.5 hours, you could have attempted something slightly more than just an awkward L-1 wagon hop onto someone that flipped Townie today. Christ. And I disagree with the rest of Town that this is "too scummy of a move for a scum to do", considering K4U (i.e. the damn moderator of this game) pulled this exact move in MoTK Mafioso and somehow managed to evade pressure from everyone for it.
Attempting anything else beside a Kisume vote would have been pointless, since it was already at the point that no matter what I did could have changed the Majority Vote. and as Koishi pointed out and like I had said before, it was just to avoid being mod killed. And I really don't understand your case against me, could you please enlighten me?
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Koishi: Yeah, I meant you and Satori. Also I think saying you think Reimu is scummy was fine, but you also voted her and said "I wouldn't mind a Satori lynch either." In other words, when the day started you preferred a Reimu lynch. Given how strongly you were for a Satori lynch D1, I figured it would have been the other way around.
Also you're stlll waffling. Reimu's your most preferred lynch now? Why? It seems like your cases on both Satori and Reimu are "she voted for someone D1 with weak reasoning." You also said you were for a Satori lynch for the reasons I posted. Then, you must think that your case on Reimu is stronger than my reasoning for voting Satori. Since I'm not really seeing that, do you want to restate your case on Reimu? Unless I'm missing something big you seem to be shying away from a Satori lynch again, for no good reason.
Orin: Close! My case on Satori is, her scumhunting is really weak, her posts have random weird nonsensical things thrown in, and she had really bad-looking waffling about Kisume. Also way to say Reimu looks bad because of her D1 case and then clear Satori because the case on her is about her D1 case. That's real good.
Yuugi: You've basically just been going after Koishi. She's been the focus of all 3 of your posts in this game. How do you feel about the other players now that D2's almost run its course?
Okuu: I seriously have no idea what you're talking about in this post. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6533.msg380928#msg380928) Why are you bringing up something from D1 now, and could you summarize your point into like one sentence that makes sense to me?
Still don't like Satori or Koishi. Orin's post is really weak too. *makes first post in the entire game 7 hours from the deadline on D2, commands everyone to lynch all lurkers*
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Also, when you say "Seems to boil around "D1 case on Kisume is a bit weak" (no shit, it's a D1 case)", you meant to say Yamame instead of Kisume right? Satori voted Yamame.
Derp, yes. Corrected.
I wouldn't call it "too scummy of a move for scum to do." I'd call it too irrelevant to give a tell either way. Nothing else she could've done with her vote would've made a difference, so she's either derptown trying to contribute, or derpscum trying to look like she's trying to contribute. Pure nulltell. Now, tell me if I'm missing something here, but at the moment your case looks so baseless it makes me think you're scum, seeing how the Satori case isn't all that vehement and figuring you can squeeze in a mislynch and put off Satori's lynching 'till tomorrow.
Disagreed on both counts, voting Yamame was still an option at that time, and the key thing is that she could have at least said something as to why she is voting for Kisume beyond "IAWTC". The worrying problem is that this is compounded with inactivity all throughout D2 - on its own, I could buy the DerpTown excuse, but when combined with this fact, I'm seeing a typical lurker case.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but your main case against Satori is a hypothetical, unconfirmed breadcrumbed softclaim. Uh... why is this deserving of a lynch? If Satori went and, y'know, actually claimed to be some sort of role that fit the breadcrumbing, that would be cause for alarm, but seeing as she has denied it, why are you actually basing a case around this?
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Yuugi: You've basically just been going after Koishi. She's been the focus of all 3 of your posts in this game. How do you feel about the other players now that D2's almost run its course?
I don't feel Marisa's D1 vote was a park anymore as there's been some attempt at scumhunting from her. I don't see any scummy stuff so she's cool. Utsuho has been okay too but I'm not really understanding what she's trying to say in this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6533.msg380928#msg380928) post.
Marisa and Suwako pointed out some broken logic from Orin already.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but your main case against Satori is a hypothetical, unconfirmed breadcrumbed softclaim. Uh... why is this deserving of a lynch? If Satori went and, y'know, actually claimed to be some sort of role that fit the breadcrumbing, that would be cause for alarm, but seeing as she has denied it, why are you actually basing a case around this?
This is just missing the focus of the Satori case entirely. Sanae's post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6533.msg380387#msg380387) is quite clear in what's wrong with Satori. There is nothing about breadcrumbs or softclaim that decided the scumminess.
Satori's big post is along the lines of coming through with clearer stuff too late when the opinions have solidified. It's quite flimsy if it was going to try sway me from wanting to hammer. I think she could have given a bit more effort in the scumhunting attempt.
Reimu and Yamame aren't too memorable to me. I'll need some time to look over them more closely for an opinion. Nothing needs to be said for the Moriya family thus far.
I should be around at deadline to hammer Satori.
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Bleh, not sure what to do. Satori, if you're here, claim? You're at L-1. Still not sure if I should stick with Satori or switch to Koishi.
Rin: Meh, I think the Kisume vote is a null tell although I'll give you that her posts today could be ActiveLurkingWhileDerpingItUp though.
Case on Satori is also because she doesn't answer questions that happen to be "Why is x scummy?", IIoA(listing things Marisa did does not tell us why she's scummy), and for semi-lying when trying to make herself look better.
Also, Marisa was already voting me when she changed her vote to Kisume. It was a vote placed before I posted. I'll be honest, and actually say her vote on Kisume was better than the one on me, if it was meant to be serious.
Yuugi: Is there really a need to?
Marisa: You just needed to post. There was no reason to vote Kisume at all, if your only actual reason was to not get modkilled. Your vote wouldn't have made a difference anywhere.
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A hammered lynch is one where we can hold people accountable. A deadline lynch is just a scramble to hang someone.
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Vanilla townie. Yukari wouldn't let me play if I used my Mind Reading ability.
@Sanae: I'm seeing a little disconnect in your post 137 in the first half. You go on to say that Koishi is doing things that are legitimately scummy. You list the way Koishi seems to be trying to lead the lynch away from me as a scum move. Then, just below that you say that the main reason for your vote on me is that I haven't really given myself the chance to scumhunt all that properly until recently. That's really only anti-town at best. Do you have a reason why you're pushing for a case on an anti-town over someone playing scummy?
Orin worded my case on Marisa much more nicely than I could have. Marisa has been provided no comments other than her votes, and no reasons for her votes. Outside of those votes, she hasn't provided anything except a defense for her actions (or lack thereof) on day one. On top of that, She's been posting much more often than of late, and still hasn't offered anything useful.
This is exactly the same case that's being made on me, with the exception that I've stopped active lurking - and yet only one other person is willing to say anything about her that's not "Complete Null Tell."
semi-lying when trying to make herself look better.
Where exactly was I "Semi-lying?" If you're talking about the "Something like the Flu" comment, I've provided all the details that need to be put up for consideration.
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You list the way Koishi seems to be trying to lead the lynch away from me as a scum move.
I'd have to be pretty out of it to try and lead the lynch away from Satori. It'd be a miracle if that didn't just end in the wagon on me winning out.
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I don't think anyone (except Marisa) is questioning the fact that you would vote me to save yourself. I think Sanae's point is mostly referring to before you were second in line this close to deadline.
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"My intention was to root out scum where no one else was looking."
Reimu was voting me too, etc. Pointed this out a while ago.
Not/Weak scumhunting is scummy, and I don't even want to need to explain this. =|
Yuugi: Fair enough. I guess it means a lot more if the votes are this close compared to D1 too.
Koishi: Oh cmon, Satori misinterpreted this line in Sanae 137:
"Unless I'm missing something big you seem to be shying away from a Satori lynch again, for no good reason."
This is because Sanae thinks you're constantly changing your opinion of Satori. ie, you now favouring Reimu over Satori after Rin's post. Read the source posts.
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This is because Sanae thinks you're constantly changing your opinion of Satori. ie, you now favouring Reimu over Satori after Rin's post. Read the source posts.
Until that specific example, I was actually pretty steady on feeling Satori was bad. On D1 it was just that Kisume also looked bad, and the lynch could provide Satori information. Then as D2 starts, it's a case of "Scumhunting where others aren't looking".
And then Orin's post comes around and for some reason I start feeling Satori isn't as bad just because she suggests it, when I probably shouldn't react in such a manner so easily. I'm guilty of un... un... not-with-a-justifiable-reason-ly changing my opinion of Satori in that case, yeah. But with the current situation and the fact that I probably shouldn't have been affected by Orin's post, my vote is staying on Satori anyway.
I don't even know where I'm going with this post anymore, I'm just ready for the day to end already. I want to see Satori's flip and who is NK'd tommorow so I have significant new information to work with. We haven't been covering much new area on this page, apart from Orin FINALLY showing up.
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Vote Count: Gettin' close to the deadline Edition
Reimu Hakurei (0):
Marisa Kirisame (1): Orin
Yamame Kurodani (0):
Yuugi Hoshiguma (0):
Satori Komeiji (5): Suwako Moriya, Yamame Kurodani, Sanae Kochiya, Utsuho Reiuji, Koishi Komeiji
Orin (0):
Utsuho Reiuji (0):
Koishi Komeiji (4): Yuugi Hoshiguma, Marisa Kirisame, Reimu Hakurei, Satori Komeiji
Sanae Kochiya (0):
Suwako Moriya (0):
Not Voting: No one
With 10 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is in ~2 hours
Satori is at L-1
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Satori Komeiji Scum Troll (rolecop) has been deadline lynched!
Still not feeling up to writing flavor. Sorry everyone. :(
Night actions need to be sent to both Kilga and me with in the next 24 - 48 hours
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Suwako Moriya Townie Moe, Upbeat, Immortal Goddess (Chicago Voter) lost her playable status! However, her determination allows her to play on...sort of!
It is now D3.
The Start of D3 Vote Count (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojJ8a_5BW6k)
Reimu Hakurei (0):
Marisa Kirisame (0):
Yamame Kurodani (0):
Yuugi Hoshiguma (0):
Orin (0):
Utsuho Reiuji (0):
Koishi Komeiji (0):
Sanae Kochiya (0):
Not Voting: Reimu Hakurei, Marisa Kirisame, Yamame Kurodani, Yuugi Hoshiguma, Orin, Utsuho Reiuji, Koishi Komeiji, Sanae Kochiya, Suwako Moriya
With 9 votes in play it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is in 72 hours
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##Vote: Reimu
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A chicago what now?
##Vote: Reimu
I... guess that explains it?
For reasons very eloquently outlined here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6533.msg380387#msg380387) and attempt at deflection explained here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6533.msg380092#msg380092), I am this close to wanting Koishi's lynch right now. She also votes me (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6533.msg380066#msg380066) for using the same logic she later on used to defend her own actions re: Kisume on Day 1 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6533.msg380120#msg380120). The only thing that's keeping me from doing so is I'm not sure if the mods would be so cruel as to make the Komeijis scumpartners, which is kind of a crappy reason not to vote someone. To arms!
##vote Koishi
I also dislike Orin for what seems to be a last-second ditch attempt at getting people to move away from the Satori wagon, the details of which are available from her only mentionable post the entire game.
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Okay, case on Reimu.
A.Weak case on Yamame that, while okay at ED1, is terrible at the end, where she keeps holding onto it with, IMO, bad reasoning.
B.Scum!Satori also held to a weak Yamame case on D1!
C.Is not one of the people to vote Satori at any point, doesn't even mention her during D1 nor her D2 first post that analyzes most people (And at the end she even says she'll get to Sanae and Utsuho later, but not Satori!)
D.Only 2 D1 posts, 2 D2 posts (not counting the basically-an-EWBOP since she forgot to vote me). This would be worse if it wasn't that there is a lot of people being lurky this game... half the people on D2, for example >_>;
She also votes me for using the same logic she later on used to defend her own actions re: Kisume on Day 1.
A difference is, I kind of actually thought she was scummy, and actually voted for her. You said you'd like the lynch purely for information and not whether it's scum or not, and didn't vote for it.
Assuming there's 3 scum, there's still another to account for after Satori and if Reimu flips scum (which I'm confident she will). Orin, Marisa, and Yuugi are LAL-able. Yuugi would be my favorite pick out of this; I'm the entire focus of all of her posts until Sanae directly calls her out on this on the 3rd RL-Day of D2; and then when she talks about other people after that, she hardly says anything at all except "Marisa is okay, here's some broken logic from Orin, [short tidbit on Satori], I'll hammer Satori at deadline". I also find it strange that she didn't hammer Satori after saying she will twice, but that's not actually scummy.
The lurking, one-focus-mind, and barely talking about others even when prompted, I do find scummy.
As for the other LAL-ables, Marisa could likely be derptown and Orin has too few posts for me to really make an opinion on her, and at least has an excuse for not being here most of the time (waiting so long after replacing in to post, though... >_>;). I much prefer Yuugi to either of them.
I'd like a Reimu or Yuugi lynch today. Leaning towards Reimu, I suppose, but I'm perfectly happy with either.
##Vote: Reimu
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B.Scum!Satori also held to a weak Yamame case on D1!
Um, how does this nessecarily draw suspicion onto Reimu? Are you just assuming scum randomly decided to start a wagon together on Yamame in ED1?
Anyway.
##Vote Yuugi
She's only made 5 posts with content so far, the first three of which are just gunning for Koishi with a few offhand remarks on other people. I don't like her attitude towards the Yamame case in her first post, it basically seems like a line of "it sounds reasonable" cheerleading to fill out her post, since she's not really taking any stance beyond that and never even mentions it again. Then later in D2 she... apparently stopped mentioning Koishi and is gunning for Satori? Did she just give up on the case without saying anything about it? Her response to Orin isn't that great, she's basically redirecting Orin to a post of Sanae's even though Sanae just responded to that before said post. Also... I don't really see why she gave Marisa a pass. All of Marisa's posts have pretty much been asking for clarification from what I can see. Would like elaboration on that. So yeah, I don't like Yuugi very much. She hasn't been posting very much and what we've seen from her is either pretty minimal or tunneling on Koishi.
Also she spelled my name wrong.
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Yuugi and Marisa are LAL-valid choices
Orin, Marisa, and Yuugi are LAL-able.
As for the other LAL-ables
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Well people know what I mean by it ): What, do I really need to type out "candidate for LAL" or... oh I could just type lurker :V Well I didn't think of that at that point!
I'm a little surprised you comment on that but not any of my scumhunting stuff. Like that flimsier reason Utsuho pointed out. Not that I'm complaining, of course.
Oh yeah, that...
Are you just assuming scum randomly decided to start a wagon together on Yamame in ED1?
Yes :smug:
I suppose it's worth mentioning, even if it's not the most amazing reason in the world. And I've a gut feeling it's significant ;_;
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... Ohhhh, is that what you were trying to say.
LAL is lynch all liars, not lynch all lurkers. :getdown:
I'm a little surprised you comment on that but not any of my scumhunting stuff.
I just wanted to throw that out first. Most of it I've addressed previously, but I'll start from the top.
A.Weak case on Yamame that, while okay at ED1, is terrible at the end, where she keeps holding onto it with, IMO, bad reasoning.
I found it to be better reasoning than people like you were using against Kisume. I feel pretty justified here considering Kisume flipped town.
B.Scum!Satori also held to a weak Yamame case on D1!
This is weird, because it feels like Satori either was ignoring me or was just copying my cases, because she used a case somewhat similar to mine yet claimed it was because no one else was looking at Yamame.
C.Is not one of the people to vote Satori at any point, doesn't even mention her during D1 nor her D2 first post that analyzes most people (And at the end she even says she'll get to Sanae and Utsuho later, but not Satori!)
I can't argue facts. I don't think I mentioned Satori at all on Day 1. ... I don't think I mentioned a LOT of people Day 1. Day 2, I had no reason to - by the time I posted it felt like half the players were on her already, and she wasn't on Kisume's wagon D1 so I didn't consider her a priority. Sanae and Utsuho were.
D.Only 2 D1 posts, 2 D2 posts (not counting the basically-an-EWBOP since she forgot to vote me). This would be worse if it wasn't that there is a lot of people being lurky this game... half the people on D2, for example >_>;
Yeah, this is pretty weak considering we're three days in and the game has just now reached its sixth page. I'd probably post more if there was more to post about.
A difference is, I kind of actually thought she was scummy, and actually voted for her. You said you'd like the lynch purely for information and not whether it's scum or not, and didn't vote for it.
In lieu of a scum lynch, I'm okay with an informational lynch. I don't think I've ever played in a game where a D1 mislynch didn't have scum on it. I wasn't convinced of Kisume's scumminess because no one had a good case on her, but on a wagon with a lot of mediocre cases, scum is bound to be hiding somewhere. Follow my logic?
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Ehh... I'm still fine with a Reimu lynch, but, since
I'm easily impressionable all that logic pretty much makes sense, and I've got plenty of suspicion on Yuugi as well, I suppose I'm fine with delaying a Reimu lynch until tommorow for now. I was only slightly leaning towards Reimu at day start anyway.
I still think the lack of mentioning Satori in her Lets-Examine-Everyone post is pretty bad though, even if REIMU HAS TOUCHED MY HEART AND I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT somehow made me actually wave the other stuff.
##Unvote
##Vote Yuugi
...wow, I really do waffle a lot :derp:
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Raymoo: Honestly, why would scum let themselves be both of the wagons D2? It could happen, but that would be moronic for scum. Koishi can still possibly be scum, but it'd be better to look elsewhere for now, really.
A. Just because you felt x reasoning was worse does not mean your reasoning was not bad. Also irrelevant justification; she flipped town, obviously that reasoning was bad and wrong. After all, town can't be terrible right?
B. You didn't even address the point. Scum!Satori handled it weirdly; why is this relevant, and how does it make you look better? Actually, Koishi's original B point was weak, but your defense of it is terrible.
C. Funny, because you didn't even get to talking about Sanae or Utsuho.
D. K, that's valid.
Well, with this scum flip, we should look at those who weren't voting confirmed scum, especially because of how close the wagons were.
Satori is dead.
Orin not voting Koishi when she could've to tie the two wagons, and instead dumping her vote on Marisa is rather odd. There are reasons for why either side would do this, but her reasoning makes sense to me at least. The whole anti-Satori-case paragraph seemed more like a misunderstanding of the whole Satori case in general. Wish she had more than two posts to judge off of, but overall, it doesn't seem like she's an informed minority(scum).
Why the hell was Marisa voting Koishi again? I think it was because Parsee was NK'd, and Koishi voted Satori to save herself. Both of which are really crappy reasons, and were stated to be wrong by others. Still no vote change! Other than that, Post 136 makes me think she actually knows what she's doing somewhat, as it seems like Marisa was actually thinking when voting Kisume. Thinking she's doing this shit on purpose now, as she hasn't tried improving at all. Also happens to be the only person on Kisume and not on Satori.
Reimu and Yuugi cases have been covered by Koishi and Utsuho. Out of those two, I'd choose Reimu if only because Yuugi has had a consistent suspicion of Koishi, which at least somewhat explains why she stuck to her for a long time. Also, waiting for Yuugi to address the points on her.
##Vote Reimu
Wouldn't mind seeing Marisa dying today either, and Yuugi is fine too, but I'd prefer Reimu or Marisa. Waiting for Rin to post again too.
50 posts per page is the best posts per page :smug:
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Raymoo: Honestly, why would scum let themselves be both of the wagons D2? It could happen, but that would be moronic for scum. Koishi can still possibly be scum, but it'd be better to look elsewhere for now, really.
I dunno, you tell me. Satori didn't start the wagon on Koishi D2; far as I can tell, I did (though Yuugi voted her first). You started Satori's wagon D2, not Koishi. From all accounts it looks like they didn't have a choice. Hardly unusual for scum to bus each other, as is likely the case here.
A. Just because you felt x reasoning was worse does not mean your reasoning was not bad. Also irrelevant justification; she flipped town, obviously that reasoning was bad and wrong. After all, town can't be terrible right?
I was perfectly happy with my reasoning - not the worst D1 case I've seen by any stretch. I'm guessing you look at my case as poor logic because you know your alignment, but here's the thing - we don't. Until we see you flip, which I don't think will happen anytime soon, my logic holds more water than the Kisume wagon.
B. You didn't even address the point. Scum!Satori handled it weirdly; why is this relevant, and how does it make you look better? Actually, Koishi's original B point was weak, but your defense of it is terrible.
It wasn't a defense, just commentary on Satori's actions. How are you expecting me to defend a confirmed scum's actions? :|
C. Funny, because you didn't even get to talking about Sanae or Utsuho.
Pretty sure I determined that neither of them were worth pursuing as scum at that time, and I covered everyone else on Kisume's train. Koishi is the most likely choice unless Sanae or Utsuho are pulling the wool over our eyes.
Well, with this scum flip, we should look at those who weren't voting confirmed scum, especially because of how close the wagons were.
This is a null tell, actually. Scum will very often hop on a teammate's wagon for credibility - see "bussing". Notice that both Koishi and Satori had "I want this lynch, but I'm okay with THIS lynch too" - Koishi wanted Satori and me dead, Satori wanted Koishi and Marisa dead. A townie lynch, on the other hand, is at least partially scum-motivated most of the time, which is why I'm doing what I'm doing.
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Vote Count: Wall of Text Edition
Reimu Hakurei (2): Suwako Moriya, Yamame Kurodani
Marisa Kirisame (0):
Yamame Kurodani (0):
Yuugi Hoshiguma (2): Koishi Komeiji, Utsuho Reiuji
Orin (0):
Utsuho Reiuji (0):
Koishi Komeiji (1): Reimu Hakurei
Sanae Kochiya (0):
Not Voting: Marisa Kirisame, Yuugi Hoshiguma, Orin, Sanae Kochiya
With 9 votes in play it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is in ~57 hours
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Yuugi hasn't posted at all since D2, that raises a red flag for me.
Vote: Yuugi
A townie lynch, on the other hand, is at least partially scum-motivated most of the time, which is why I'm doing what I'm doing.
This seems oddly worded to me, would you mind explaining?
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woops
##Vote: Yuugi
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Yuugi hasn't posted at all since D2, that raises a red flag for me.
Vote: Yuugi
Neither have Sanae or Orin, what makes them look better than her to you?
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I don't like her attitude towards the Yamame case in her first post, it basically seems like a line of "it sounds reasonable" cheerleading to fill out her post, since she's not really taking any stance beyond that and never even mentions it again.
I was voting Koishi, therefore my focus is not on a person that someone else wants lynched. I never made another post on that day, so naturally no more is mentioned.
Then later in D2 she... apparently stopped mentioning Koishi and is gunning for Satori? Did she just give up on the case without saying anything about it? Her response to Orin isn't that great, she's basically redirecting Orin to a post of Sanae's even though Sanae just responded to that before said post. Also... I don't really see why she gave Marisa a pass. All of Marisa's posts have pretty much been asking for clarification from what I can see. Would like elaboration on that. So yeah, I don't like Yuugi very much. She hasn't been posting very much and what we've seen from her is either pretty minimal or tunneling on Koishi.
I was still voting Koishi on Day 2. Sanae asked me about the other players, I gave my thoughts and said that I would vote Satori if a Koishi lynch was impossible.
Whether or not Sanae had responded to Orin yet, I had my post to make with the things I had to say. I think my answer is different from what others had said, so I will say my piece instead of just telling you all that I agree.
From Marisa's Day 2 posts, can you find anything scummy about her actions? I feel they might be derptown, but not scummy. Her posts of asking for clarification are directed at the person she voted, is there anything wrong with that?
However, would anyone really NOT do this? Town or scum? If you know you're town, then anyone else automatically has a greater chance of being scum then you do. Besides, I've felt Satori was scummy for pretty much the whole game regardless.
This was before Koishi made her vote. Prior to that, there's more waffling on the Satori case than actually showing that she definitely wanted the lynch as can be seen here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6533.msg380066#msg380066). By the time Satori had 4 votes to the 2 on herself, she was cheerleading for Satori's lynch without committing. Koishi's moves in the end of the day reeks of bussing and I'm not sold on her scumhunting.
##Vote Koishi
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Neither have Sanae or Orin, what makes them look better than her to you?
That's oddly worded, that or I just can't read today, if you mean that why I chose Yuugi over Orin and Sanae, is because of the reasons that you have already said, her beginning posts going after Koishi, then switching to Satori on D2, without any explanation or anything. But now that she has clarified her reasoning, I feel no reason to believe she is scum.
##Unvote
but you bring up a point on Orin and Sanae.
Sanae has been scumhunting for a while now, her posts are often directed to many people, mostly accusing them.
while Orin's posts are just her defending herself.
##Vote: Orin
A) She's posted only Twice since she was replaced
B) Her posts are only defending herself when Koishi and Suwako called her out
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Hey dudes, I'm at work on my lunch break. I'm gonna see if I can spend the next 25 minutes productively at all. I have a hunch that examining Marisa, and people's actions and attitudes regarding her, might end up being useful. Let's see.
After her vote on Kisume, Utsuho says she's likely a newbie. Koishi brings up the possibility that she's pretending to be a newbie since all accounts are anonymous.
D2 started with Satori immediately jumping on Marisa for her late D1 vote and absense. Koishi's opinion is that she's more likely newbscum than newbtown, or possibly fakenewb. Reimu says she looks terrible, but not scummy. Everyone else seems to mostly say "I'd like to see her make more posts so I can figure out what her deal is."
This (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6533.msg380876#msg380876) Satoripost is where Satori switches over to Koishi, but she says she doesn't want to leave Marisa be if possible. Orin later jumps in and pushes super hard for a Marisa lynch while completely dismissing the Satori case. This is followed by Koishi waffling about a Marisa lynch, saying that she's not opposed to it but she'd rather go after Reimu or Satori. The day ends with Satori getting lynched and flipping scum.
D3 starts with Koishi saying Marisa is likely derptown, but is lynchable for lurking I guess? Yuugi says she's probably...OK you know what I wasn't intending on this going this way but lmfao Koishi you're bad. I'm gonna call Koishi and Orin for the other two scumplayers and we'll see what happens.
Koishi literally does not have any real, solid opinions. She does kind of says things arbitrarily, like a ghost or something. I already pointed out her weird Satori stuff, but she's completely flipped on Marisa now that Marisa is no longer a possible alternative to a Satori lynch, she was all over Reimu D2 and D3 but now "I was only slightly leaning towards Reimu at day start anyway." No, that's pretty much a lie. You already said you were pretty confident she would flip scum. Now she's going after Yuugi, but your reasons are basically just things Utsuho and I posted already. Basically all of your scumhunting is just voting for the people that everyone else has already posted good reasons for, or leaving a list of "well, lynch all lurkers too!" at the end of half your posts. You're basically not in this game for reals, and that's a pretty good indicator of being scum. ##vote: Koishi
Oh shit my lunch is over. I'll post more thoughts once I get home from work. I probably don't need to explain why Orin looks incredibly scummy. Here's hoping she manages to make a post today.
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Sanae, what are you exactly trying to get at with that IIoA wall about Marisa? I don't see the point abuot her you're trying to make.
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Koishi literally does not have any real, solid opinions. She does kind of says things arbitrarily, like a ghost or something. I already pointed out her weird Satori stuff, but she's completely flipped on Marisa now that Marisa is no longer a possible alternative to a Satori lynch,
After looking at the lurkers, I found many scummy things about Yuugi. Unless there's 4 scum, then if Yuugi and Reimu are scum; my two top suspects; that fills our scum quota up. Marisa is either superderpscum (uhh but shouldn't she have partners helping her?) or WiFoM fakenewb. I'd rather go after a real case then "maybe it's a WiFoM fakenewb", which I believe is something I stated yesterday as well.
she was all over Reimu D2 and D3 but now "I was only slightly leaning towards Reimu at day start anyway." No, that's pretty much a lie. You already said you were pretty confident she would flip scum.
But that's exactly what I said in my post ;_; Besides, can't I be confident both will flip scum?
Now she's going after Yuugi, but your reasons are basically just things Utsuho and I posted already. Basically all of your scumhunting is just voting for the people that everyone else has already posted good reasons for, or leaving a list of "well, lynch all lurkers too!" at the end of half your posts.
uhh
what
Especially at the Yuugi thing.
I'm the person who first introduced the cases on Satori, Reimu, AND Yuugi. You're blaming me for not contributing? And you're blaming me for using reasons other people made, when I originally made them? What the heck.
Kinda-an-EWBOP:Reread a little. Okay, you did kind of state the "Yuugi has few posts and only has been going after Koishi" on D2, but you only said it in a non-blaming way. Roughly you said "Yuugi, in all three of your posts this game you've gone after Koishi. What's your opinion on others?" I took that, the continued lack of opinions in her response post, and presented it as a case. And even then, I still definitely said this before Utsuho brought it up, unless I'm again forgetting something Utsuho said on D2. And I still brought up the Reimu case before anyone else ;_;
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EWBOP
Marisa is either superderpscum (uhh but shouldn't she have partners helping her?) or WiFoM fakenewb.
Add "If she's scum, " at the beginning of this sentence.
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After looking at the lurkers, I found many scummy things about Yuugi. Unless there's 4 scum, then if Yuugi and Reimu are scum; my two top suspects; that fills our scum quota up.
I don't recall you saying much about her at all, unless I just have a bad memory. What are these reasons?
Also, you did not introduce the Satori case! You simply voted her in RVS for D1-ish reasons and then jumped onto her to save your skin later in D2.
You know, I'd still like a Yuugi lynch because of how much she's been lurking, but uh, Koishi is gradually looking really bad to me. I'm just a simple raven, so I don't have much to add to the case, but I'm willing to switch if nessecary.
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Okuu: Originally I mostly wanted to see who was onboard for a possible Marisa lynch late D2 and see if that info would take me anywhere given today's actions, but then in the process I noticed Koishi flip over Marisa and then noticed her awful waffle about Reimu and I switched gears.
I guess I could have left the first half of my post behind, but I was a few minutes over on my lunch so I wanted to push that post out and get going. What I found out was that Satori, Orin, and Koishi were basically the only players who thought Marisa was lynchworthy D2. Satori's scum, Koishi switched sides once D3 started, and Orin is stuck in traffic or something now, I guess.
Koishi: OK, I'll go over you in more detail tonight when I have more than 0 minutes to do so and am not typing posts on a tiny-ass phone keypad. Try not to flip-flop about anyone else until then ;)
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I don't recall you saying much about her at all, unless I just have a bad memory. What are these reasons?
excuse me while I go beat my head against a desk
okay, I'm back.
My opening D3 post. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6533.msg381811#msg381811) After that little quotestripe. It's there. ;_;
Also, you did not introduce the Satori case! You simply voted her in RVS for D1-ish reasons and then jumped onto her to save your skin later in D2.
oh god not this again
I'm not going over this again. It's not worth the cost to my sanity. I'll just let all these points stand. I've been talking too much during this game, and I suppose I'm finally burning out, and I don't caaaaare.
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##Unvote
##Vote Koishi
Now that I look at her posts some more, I'd definitely like to see a Koishi lynch. Aside from what has already been covered by others, her flop over to Yuugi is pretty much ridiculous imo. She ditched a case she just built up to jump onto Yuugi, and I really don't feel the jump was town-motivated either. Since I had just voted Yuugi, it could have seemed that there was potential for a wagon on her. Plus, Yuugi had been lurking, making her an easier target than Reimu. Koishi's vote on Yuugi barely explains anything, it seemed like she was springboarding off of her earlier LIST OF LURKER NAMES to jump on somebody without having to put any content into the leap. Note that she still hasn't actually explained much about her vote on Yuugi either. lolninjas I still don't like that she didn't say anything in her original votepost though.
Really, Yuugi still looks bad to me, but Koishi is so much worse, and it doesn't seem like a Yuugi lynch is happening either. I would definitely like to continue pursuing her if Koishi flips town, though.
@ AtE Koishininja: But uh, you hadn't added anything new to the Yuugi table. You just pointed out she was lurking and said the same thing about tunneling you that Sanae had already mentioned.
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Marisa's posts are both infuriating and hilarious. Her reason for voting Yuugi suddenly changes to what Utsuho said, instead of some hilarious LALu, and then after that, votes Orin for lurking and only defending(that's a lie, seeing as she attacked Marisa). Marisa, please state ALL your reasons for voting someone, k thx.
Yuugi: How about the fact that Marisa seemed to be asking questions for the sake of asking questions? =| I'm convinced that Marisa is just trolling now, and has a decent chance at being scum because of there being hints in her posts that could mean that she knows what she's doing. Going from her Kisume vote to post 136 to her Yuugi vote to her latest post shows some clear discrepancies.
Reimu:
Scum still have votes which can influence the development of wagons. If there's a wagon they don't like, like ones on themselves, they won't vote them unless they have decided to bus. They can also start wagons to rival the wagon they don't like, and yeah. Basically, I find it unlikely that town would find two scum, and manage to build up both cases in a relatively equal way.
Your reasoning was that I was trying to make an early bandwagon by bringing someone to TWO VOTES when there were 3 other people at two votes too. And saying almost getting modkilled makes me look bad. Also, no, TOWN FLIP does not make logic explicitly bad, as a bad case can find scum by chance, and a good case can happen to hit town because the townie was scummy.
Useless summary of a dead person then, and it read like you were distancing away Satori's actions.
Post where you said this. I skimmed your posts, didn't see it.
That's why I pointed out how close the wagons were. There's no point in bussing if you can get a townie lynch without too much trouble as scum, and once again, I find it unlikely that town would find two scum, and build up both of the wagons. This makes me think that all the scum weren't voting Satori.
Meh, Let's just agree to disagree at where we're looking for scum. Removed the quotes that correspond to your post to short this post btw.
Koishi: Build Up Case on Reimu, Get Told Off By Reimu Without Questioning At All :AdviceKoishi:
Get a Backbone. =|
You derpscicle, there can't be four scum as we would've been in Mylo D2. And that's terrible.
Okay, now you're giving up. -_-
Meh, not interested in Koishi case due to tempclear I'm giving her for today, but whatever.
L-1 within the first 24 hours. That was fast. Standard procedure says Koishi should claim, but this isn't standard is it.
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[Now that I look at her posts some more, I'd definitely like to see a Koishi lynch. Aside from what has already been covered by others, her flop over to Yuugi is pretty much ridiculous imo. She ditched a case she just built up to jump onto Yuugi, and I really don't feel the jump was town-motivated either.
I built up a case on Yuugi as well in the same post. This fact reputes most of the stuff in that paragraph, actually.
Since I had just voted Yuugi, it could have seemed that there was potential for a wagon on her.
Reimu also already had a vote on her.
@ AtE Koishininja: But uh, you hadn't added anything new to the Yuugi table. You just pointed out she was lurking and said the same thing about tunneling you that Sanae had already mentioned.
I added how she still didn't really give opinions on others after being prompted to do so. It's hard to really add anything else when only 1 more post was made since Sanae called her out for purely posting about me.
You derpscicle, there can't be four scum as we would've been in Mylo D2. And that's terrible.
Okay, now you're giving up. -_-
That was the whole point, there can't be four scum. Hence why Marisa dropped down in priority because I had better cases that covered the likely number of two remaining scum. Marisa is dumb, whether on purpose or not, and no offense to Marisa.
And yes, I kind of am. I'm sick of saying the exact same thing to basically the same reason again and again, especially when it's not something short, nor is it something that even flawlessly reputes the point in the first place.
I'm still going to try, but I'm not going to defend myself as much because suddenly I don't even care all that much if I'm getting lynched today. It's not as if defending myself against the people already voting me will get them off my back, anyway. I would be genuinely surprised if they did. Town can still win if I'm lynched, and maybe a lynch would even help shed light on who's scum. I'm tired of putting in lots of effort and doing worse then people whose number of posts can be counted on one hand.
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Now that I take a better look at the votes, I'm already at L-1. Just thought I'd throw that out there, since last votecount I'm at L-4.
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Oh wow I'm being a derp. Yamame already pointed this out. Also suggested I claim.
Koishi Komeiji, Love-Obsessed Townie.
I have a power that can find all the scum and then make tea and cookies for everyone, but I lost it when I sealed away my third eye. Oh darny.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Reimu
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Marisa's posts are both infuriating and hilarious. Her reason for voting Yuugi suddenly changes to what Utsuho said, instead of some hilarious LALu, and then after that, votes Orin for lurking and only defending(that's a lie, seeing as she attacked Marisa). Marisa, please state ALL your reasons for voting someone, k thx.
Apolgies for the inconvience for you, Ms. Kurodani.
While it is true that Orin attacked me, her justification was because of my vote on Kisume, saying
You had like 3.5 hours, you could have attempted something slightly more than just an awkward L-1 wagon hop onto someone that flipped Townie today. Christ. And I disagree with the rest of Town that this is "too scummy of a move for a scum to do"
Jumping on someone who would either be Deadline Lynched or Majority Lynched, like I said earlier or on D2, No matter what Kisume was going to get lynched. 3.5 hours is a great amount of time to change 4 people's ideas, when only Koishi, Sanae, and Utushou posted after my post.
I'm convinced that Marisa is just trolling
Uhh, whats a troll?
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Suwako's charisma is astounding. Her ability to still join in the conversation (sort of) has lifted the stormy clouds from my mind. A little.
Uhh, whats a troll?
Welcome to the internet. Be careful, or you might get the dreaded sage virus, ravager of many an unwary fellow.
Really, with every post Marisa makes, I wonder more and more if she's for real. I'm going to feel bad after this is over, if she is >_>;
Orin has disappeared into the void. Again. Dear god, woman. Is it bad of me to hope she just gets modkilled already? Even after replacing 1/3rd through D2, by the first day of D3 she's gone over a day without posting, twice. She's a liability even if she's town because she's never here. Her only use is keeping LyLo a little farther away.
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SUWAKO HAS TOUCHED MY HEART AND I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT
There, Koishi, I fixed that for you! I like how she unvoted Reimu so she could vote her a second time.
Also, Koishi, does that mean you're a vanilla? :x
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Well, she's not allowed to actually talk anymore, so it's the most she can do ): It's like being mute, pretty much. If everyone is being stupid, all you can do is like, bang on a desk or something to try and make them stop. okaynotreallybutyougetwhatImean. It made me giggle a lot ;_; Then again, so did your correction, so.
And yeah, Vanilla. Ignore the fluff above this line.
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Oh. Now I see what she was doing. I'm dumb.
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Vote Count: This is Why We Have Leash Laws Edition
Reimu Hakurei (2): Yamame Kurodani, Suwako Moriya
Marisa Kirisame (0):
Yamame Kurodani (0):
Yuugi Hoshiguma (1): Koishi Komeiji
Orin (1): Marisa Kirisame
Utsuho Reiuji (0):
Koishi Komeiji (4): Reimu Hakurei, Yuugi Hoshiguma, Sanae Kochiya, Utsuho Reiuji
Sanae Kochiya (0):
Not Voting: Orin
With 9 votes in play it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is in ~46 hours
Orin has been prodded.
Koishi is at L-1!
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Okay, I'm home now. I'll do some rereads, but I'd like to get this done first.
Suwako: You didn't mention anything at all about Reimu when you were alive. I'm not familiar with the Chicago Voter role; do you have some sort of reliable information that makes you positive Reimu is scum? Or, is this just a revelation that you got from analyzing the thread? I don't know how restricted you are, but if you can, please confirm your vote once more if you're positive Reimu is scum.
I'll ##unvote until Suwako has a chance to respond in some way, and until I've examined Koishi and some of the other players some more. I'm all for a Koishi lynch but I don't want something dumb to happen and have the day end way early.
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##Unvote
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I'm under the impression all she can do is vote without saying anything.
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Suwako: Gotcha. Keep fighting the good fight. You seem to be pretty keen on Reimu getting lynched. Guess I'll play the shrine maiden and see if I can't try my hand at passing down a case from god.
Reimu: The entirety of your scumhunting thus far can be summarized like this: "Kisume flipped town -> Someone who voted for her has to be scum -> Koishi "deflected", and she voted for Kisume, thus she is the scum." Your vote for her today was that, plus some things that I said D2. Given that our one scum lynch was someone who was not voting for Kisume, and our 2 other town flips are people who were voting for Kisume, I find your approach greatly lacking.
You say nobody had a good case on Kisume here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6533.msg381983#msg381983), but you never actually commented on anyone's case on her. In fact you never commented on her at all, except to say "yeah it's cool if you guys lynch her, whatever." This doesn't make you look good, contrary to your opinion. Admitting you thought no one's case on her was valid is basically like admitting you did not think she was scum, but you supported her lynch anyways. That is not a pro-town maneuver.
You said the cases presented on Satori D2 were good, but you supported Koishi's lynch anyways. That doesn't really make you look good. If you want to talk about deflecting, check out the last paragraph of this post. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6533.msg382062#msg382062) Good job handwaving away the fact that you avoided voting for scum D2.
Check out this sweet logic: Town players will vote for both town players and scum players (proof: town players have voted for both town players and scum players). Scum players will vote for both town players and scum players (proof: a scum player voted for a town player, and you just said scum players vote for scum players). Now, try to reconcile this with your scumhunting technique of "let's only look at the people who voted the townie on D1, forever." If you can't, it's probably because it doesn't logically follow. Whoops!
Pretty sure I determined that neither (Sanae or Utsuho) were worth pursuing as scum at that time, and I covered everyone else on Kisume's train. Koishi is the most likely choice unless Sanae or Utsuho are pulling the wool over our eyes.
No, you said you were going to do a detailed read of us later here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6533.msg380092#msg380092), then acted like you didn't examine Satori because you were focusing on us here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6533.msg381983#msg381983). That's a complete lie. You didn't say anything about any of us. But cool, go ahead and clear us without any sort of examination. Here's a list of all the players in the game and your opinions on them, from what you've posted.
Marisa Kirisame: So stupid she could only be derptown.
Yamame Kurodani: Not worth pursuing as of Kisume's flip.
Yuugi Hoshiguma: Have not said anything about her, ever, except that she voted for Koishi before you. Coincidentally Yuugi hasn't said anything about you, ever, except "Reimu sounds pretty sensible" in her first post.
Orin: Looks bad for not posting ever, and for trying to move away from the Satori-wagon last minute.
Utsuho Reiuji: Not worth pursuing as scum, because (blank)
Koishi Komeiji: Scum.
Sanae Kochiya: Not worth pursuing as scum, because (blank)
These opinions are all taken from your two D2 posts, because you haven't posted anything D3 that wasn't an attack on Koishi or defense of yourself. Your total contributions to this game are basically 0. You've cleared every player that isn't Orin or Koishi, unless you plan on going after Yuugi all of a sudden. Your case on Koishi is crap and your opinion on Orin is basically that she did an extremely scummy thing at the end of the day for no reason, which is exactly what you cleared Marisa for. Whoops again! You're bad!
Until we see you flip, which I don't think will happen anytime soon, my logic holds more water than the Kisume wagon.
This is a pretty valid thing to say if Yamame is not likely to be lynched and you know who's going to be nightkilled ◕ ◡ ◕
So yeah, Reimu is incredibly scummy. I'm not sure how I didn't notice this before. I guess it's because she has basically no presense in the game. Also Yuugi is basically Reimu-2. They're pretty much the same! Hilarious! I'm going to rescind my call of a Koishi-Orin scumteam and call a Reimu-Yuugi scumteam instead because it fits way better. I feel pretty good about this one. ##vote: Reimu
Also I'm way sorry that this post is so long. Also also I'm sorry I made Koishi cry.
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##Vote: Reimu
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Post where you said this. I skimmed your posts, didn't see it.
I don't think I said it anywhere. Earlier I had said that I determined it and went from there. My free time is somewhat of a luxury.
The rest of your post is either nitpicky or needlessly convoluted due to lack of context so I won't reply to everything you said, but in general I agree that we seem to just be scumhunting from different directions at the moment.
Cut by Sanae with some one-true-miko hateobservations. Let me see what I can cover before I have to leave again.
-Other people's cases on Kisume: I wasn't a fan of her lynch because at the time I wanted someone else lynched. I handwaved Kisume's lynch because the people pushing the lynch could be examined afterwards for scum/town intent, which is exactly what I spent D2 doing because she ended up flipping scum.
-You misunderstand, either intentionally or otherwise, my logic re: scumhunting by looking at people on town lynches. Look at it this way. In the event of a townie lynch, the chances of scum being on the wagon are very high - especially on Day 1. This fact can be used to assist scumhunting. In the event of a scum lynch, the chance of a scum being on the train is not uncommon, but not guaranteed either. It is therefore a fairly moot point to attempt to find scum by looking at who voted scum (or otherwise).
No, you said you were going to do a detailed read of us later here, then acted like you didn't examine Satori because you were focusing on us here. That's a complete lie. You didn't say anything about any of us. But cool, go ahead and clear us without any sort of examination.
I admittedly never bothered posting concerning you and Utsuho (see above comments; I just determined you weren't worth pursuing as scum and moved on). Again, can't change facts. But I only mentioned you and Utsuho in that particular statement because you two were the ones Koishi mentioned - I had also checked out every other player on the train in that time, and you two had the lowest priority because you two looked the cleanest. Pretty sure they call this "misrep." Please read the entire conversation for context instead of just pulling out a single line.
Your case on Koishi is crap and your opinion on Orin is basically that she did an extremely scummy thing at the end of the day for no reason, which is exactly what you cleared Marisa for.
This is completely false and 100% misrepresentation. Here's my statement on Orin:
"I also dislike Orin for what seems to be a last-second ditch attempt at getting people to move away from the Satori wagon, the details of which are available from her only mentionable post the entire game."
That's on a completely different level from what Marisa did D1. Orin's post was unquestionably intended to attempt to shift votes to Marisa and away from confirmed scum. Marisa added a vote onto a lynch that had no real chance of going anywhere anyway. How can you even begin to compare the two?
This is a pretty valid thing to say if Yamame is not likely to be lynched and you know who's going to be nightkilled ◕ ◡ ◕
This is really stretching it. It's pretty obvious I was referring to her being lynched. :/
Your entire case against me screams determining scum and then trying to find evidence of such, and here's why:
I'm not sure how I didn't notice this before.
Didn't you say nearly the exact same thing when you read Koishi? The one other person I haven't mentioned much, to your credit, is Yuugi. As I've explained already, I spent all of D2 analyzing the Kisume mislynch and she wasn't on it. D3 I've HAD to spend the entire day defending myself while trying to scumhunt at the same time, because Koishi went after me early. Please look over my posts again, only without the bloodlust.
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fasdfioausdfjoij ebwop ;_;
-Other people's cases on Kisume: I wasn't a fan of her lynch because at the time I wanted someone else lynched. I handwaved Kisume's lynch because the people pushing the lynch could be examined afterwards for scum/town intent, which is exactly what I spent D2 doing because she ended up flipping scum.
Ended up flipping TOWN, not scum. :colonveeplusalpha: Hooray no proofreading.
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-You misunderstand, either intentionally or otherwise, my logic re: scumhunting by looking at people on town lynches. Look at it this way. In the event of a townie lynch, the chances of scum being on the wagon are very high - especially on Day 1. This fact can be used to assist scumhunting. In the event of a scum lynch, the chance of a scum being on the train is not uncommon, but not guaranteed either. It is therefore a fairly moot point to attempt to find scum by looking at who voted scum (or otherwise).
Well the end result of that was that you cleared every other person who voted for her besides Koishi. There must be 3 scum players. Therefore, according to you, there was a total of 1 scum member on the Kisume wagon and 2 scum players not on the Kisume wagon. So it would have actually been much more productive to examine the people who avoided the Kisume lynch. Instead you've been hammering Koishi all game. Again, your one and only real scumhunting contribution is your case on Koishi, and your case on Koishi is that faulty line of reasoning about town lynches and 'deflection' (which, by the way, does not make any sense to me.) Not good.
I admittedly never bothered posting concerning you and Utsuho (see above comments; I just determined you weren't worth pursuing as scum and moved on). Again, can't change facts. But I only mentioned you and Utsuho in that particular statement because you two were the ones Koishi mentioned - I had also checked out every other player on the train in that time, and you two had the lowest priority because you two looked the cleanest. Pretty sure they call this "misrep." Please read the entire conversation for context instead of just pulling out a single line.
OK, sure. Original post you were responding to said you didn't examine or vote for Satori at all. You responded by saying that by the time you posted, it seemed like half the game was on her already. Actually, there were two people total voting for her at the time of your post. Your only other post of the day says you agree with the cases on Satori but you won't switch your vote onto her. You were gone the rest of the day, and Satori flipped scum, so all that makes you look pretty bad.
That's on a completely different level from what Marisa did D1. Orin's post was unquestionably intended to attempt to shift votes to Marisa and away from confirmed scum. Marisa added a vote onto a lynch that had no real chance of going anywhere anyway. How can you even begin to compare the two?
You think Koishi was scum, and Satori was scum. You also said scum were likely to bus eachother. How does it add up that a scum Orin would do the things she did at the end of D2? You'd have to be completely retarded to think that would accomplish anything for your team. Orin's kind of a moot point anyways because there's like no way she isn't about to be modkilled :G
Didn't you say nearly the exact same thing when you read Koishi? The one other person I haven't mentioned much, to your credit, is Yuugi. As I've explained already, I spent all of D2 analyzing the Kisume mislynch and she wasn't on it. D3 I've HAD to spend the entire day defending myself while trying to scumhunt at the same time, because Koishi went after me early. Please look over my posts again, only without the bloodlust.
You haven't scumhunted at all today, as I've said. You just revoted Koishi for your previous reasons, plus a case I made, and said Orin looked bad. The difference between you and Koishi is that Koishi decided she would rather hunt scum than bog down the thread with endless defense posts, while you've basically done no scumhunting and are focusing mostly on avoiding getting lynched. That makes you look way more scummy.
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Marisa: ...=| Once again, say what you actually mean instead of going back and saying what you meant.
If you actually are a newbie, sorry, otherwise, Sign up for Anonymafia, Play like a clueless newbie :AdviceMomiji:
Suwako!
Where's Orin? Replace in to stop a modkill, Get (closed to being) modkilled anyways :AdviceOrin:
Reimu: Uh yeah, generally, it's good to actually say what you said you were going to say.
No, answer this. Why does a town flip make a case instantly worse than a case on someone without a flip?
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So yeah, Reimu is incredibly scummy. I'm not sure how I didn't notice this before. I guess it's because she has basically no presense in the game. Also Yuugi is basically Reimu-2. They're pretty much the same! Hilarious! I'm going to rescind my call of a Koishi-Orin scumteam and call a Reimu-Yuugi scumteam instead because it fits way better. I feel pretty good about this one.
Yay. People agree with me now. I feel fuzzy inside!
Time for me to get out my handy dandy votebook!
##Unvote Yuugi
##Vote Reimu
DIE SCUM, DIE >:D
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Koishi, you didn't find any clues yet!
Also, I'm not sure if this has been pointed out yet (it probably has and I skimmed over it), but it's pretty interesting how Yuugi and Reimu have both been hammering on Koishi for like the whole game while ignoring eachother.
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Also, doing a Reimu reread right now. Will come up with a post when it's done I guess.
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The difference between you and Koishi is that Koishi decided she would rather hunt scum than bog down the thread with endless defense posts, while you've basically done no scumhunting and are focusing mostly on avoiding getting lynched.
The no scumhunting part is BS and you know it, but the trying to avoid getting lynched is completely true.
Know why?
I'm Reimu Hakurei, Townie Jailer.
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You wanna actually list your targets then, boss?
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EBWOP: Also if you wanna give your reasoning for your jailings that would be neat.
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Marisa: ...=| Once again, say what you actually mean instead of going back and saying what you meant.
If you actually are a newbie, sorry, otherwise, Sign up for Anonymafia, Play like a clueless newbie :AdviceMomiji:
I ment what I said, and I said what I ment, an elephants word is 100%
I really don't understand what you really want me to do, do you just want me to list all of the reasons I am voting Orin?
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(faosdijfjasdofij connection issues are joy)
You wanna actually list your targets then, boss?
Certainly.
Yamame N1, Orin N2. I was trying to use my ability to block scum.
Yamame N1 because after Kisume's mislynch, I was more convinced of Yamame as scum, but revised my feelings on her later. Picked Orin N2 because I decided to go after someone who wasn't my preferred lynch for that day. I switched back to Koishi later, but I still think Orin's scummy.
For what it's worth, I received a message each night that my MUSOU FUUINz were successful, but the mods clarified that it doesn't mean someone was actually attacked or used an ability that night, just that it went through successfully.
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Marisa: No, just don't keep making half-assed posts that require you to go back to them so you can elaborate.
Inherent problem with claiming Jailer is that it could be a RoleBlocker. Also, what's the likelihood of two protective roles in this game? =3
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Sorry for saying I'm gonna reread+post about Reimu and then not actually starting to until an hour later. I get distracted waaaaay too easily.
Okay, I'm pretty much sold on a Reimu/Yuugi scumpair at this point. I already explained my dislike for Yuugi here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6533.msg381860#msg381860), but uh, let's talk about Reimu for a bit.
I really don't like Reimu's actions late D1. Provided Yamame is town (she doesn't seem too bad to me right now at least), keeping her vote on would actually make a lot of sense: A Yamame lynch seemed pretty unlikely at that point, so by keeping a vote on somebody unlikely to be lynched, Reimu could avoid all association with the Kisume wagon as well as most of the future "likely suspects". Even if that is just in theory, it does make a lot of sense, as it gives Reimu the option to get around any complaints about keeping her fairly iffy case on Yamame at the end of the day by saying "hey, at least I wasn't on the townie wagon", since Yamame hadn't been that bad and it would be unlikely we'd learn her flip without her being NKed. This is double convenient for her because when she decides to basically only look on people on the Kisume wagon later, she doesn't have to worry about looking hypocritical. The way she cheerleaded a Kisume lynch while staying on Yamame and then later denounced the cases on Kisume without even remotely implicating any of the sort before Kisume's lynch also seems a bit off. If Reimu didn't think Kisume was scum, she shouldn't have been supporting a Kisume lynch and should have instead stated what she found bad about the cases on her, and if Reimu DID want a Kisume lynch, not only does it makes no sense for her to later state her disdain towards the cases, but she should have actually voted Kisume instead of keeping an awkward Yamame vote which she later discarded once D2 began. (Also note that Yamame's vote was placed on Satori/scum.)
Reimu's relationship with Yuugi is pretty interesting. They've ignored eachother for just about the whole game (aside from Yuugi going out of her way to support Reimu's case on Yamame but not actually adding anything beyond that), but have been fairly similiar in terms of targets. Both have been gunning for Koishi quite a bit, although Reimu's additions to the Koishi case D2 are pretty iffy, only consisting of her claiming that Koishi is worse than Satori/scum because Koishi was on a townie wagon, voting her after Yuugi and Marisa, and then posting nothing for the rest of the day. Yuugi then says she needs to look over Reimu, and then oh hey! Next post she doesn't even bring Reimu up and simply returns to voting Koishi again after defending herself. It kind of feels like they're avoiding eachother so that no connections are made while sharing a common goal. So uh. Hey Reimu, what's your take on Yuugi, and Yuugi, what's your take on Reimu? Yuugi should at least be obligated to post her opinion on Reimu, since she said she was going to look her over on her second-to-last post D2. But for now...
##Unvote
##Vote Reimu
As for Koishi, she still doesn't look that great, but her being partners with Reimu seems pretty unlikely to me. However, if Reimu flips town (seems doubtful at this point, honestly), she's probably my first choice, while if Reimu flips scum, I'd like to pursue Yuugi again.
Also kinda interesting: If Reimu/Yuugi/Satori as a scumtrio is correct, then Reimu and Yuugi's attempts to draw attention to the Kisume wagon while ignoring everyone else would work out nicely at drawing attention away from them, considering none of the three were on it.
Wow I probably seem like I'm mimicing Sanae with my votes now.
Did Yamame just softclaim?
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Vote Count: That was the hammer! Edition
Reimu Hakurei (5): Yamame Kurodani, Sanae Kochiya, Suwako Moriya, Koishi Komeiji, Utsuho Reiuji
Marisa Kirisame (0):
Yamame Kurodani (0):
Yuugi Hoshiguma (0):
Orin (1): Marisa Kirisame
Utsuho Reiuji (0):
Koishi Komeiji (2): Reimu Hakurei, Yuugi Hoshiguma,
Sanae Kochiya (0):
Not Voting: Orin
Reimu Hakurei Scum Grumpy, Underappreciated Shrine Maiden (Mafia Roleblocker) was lynched! It is now N3. Send your night actions to both Kilga and me with in 24 - 48 hours
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No one lost their playable status last night!
It is now D4.
The Start of D4 Vote Count (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB8OH10pqJU)
Marisa Kirisame (0):
Yamame Kurodani (0):
Yuugi Hoshiguma (0):
Orin (0):
Utsuho Reiuji (0):
Koishi Komeiji (0):
Sanae Kochiya (0):
Not Voting: Marisa Kirisame, Yamame Kurodani, Yuugi Hoshiguma, Orin, Utsuho Reiuji, Koishi Komeiji, Sanae Kochiya, Suwako Moriya
With 8 votes in play it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is in 72 hours
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That's funny.
I almost wonder if Orin is scum and just lolafked.
Well, we've got one scum remaining.
Orin hasn't posted enough for me to even hope to read her. She DIDN'T EVEN POST YESTERDAY, period. Yeah the day ended early, but it still lasted like 1 and 2/3rd rl-days. The main reason I'm not voting her is because she should just be getting modkilled.
Yuugi, we've been over her already. Tunneling, lurking, hardly presenting non-Koishi opinions when prompted, also hasn't voted anyone who's actually been lynched so far, including either of the scum.
Marisa is... I don't even know how to talk about her. Really. It blows my mind. She isn't my preferred lynch at all, but I see her more likely to be scum then the people who aren't the two mentioned above.
##Vote Yuugi
No one other then these 3 has done anything I find to be scummy, and all look fairly town-ish. Hell, Orin/Marisa are just "I can't guess this alignment worth shit", which is why I'd rather have a Yuugi lynch today, but I'm willing to switch for an Orin or Marisa lynch if needed (and if Orin isn't modkilled by then).
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EWBOP
The main reason I'm not voting her is because she should just be getting modkilled.
This was worded badly. To be specific, I'm not voting her because A."Quote", B.Suicidal amounts of lurking, C.Yuugi is scummy, so.
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Yeah it's totally Yuugi. I'm not even going to bother making a huge post about it, I'm just gonna restate that she's literally a small clone of Reimu and vote for her now.
##vote: Yuugi
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Scum team has surrendered so...
Town Wins!
I'll have post-game stuff up momentarily. Feel free to post with your real accounts now~
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laffo
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I feel kinda bad for scum team since Satori's posting record was largely due to health concerns.
Then again, Reimu and Yuugi shouldn't have tied themselves to her so blatantly, so. >_>
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So how many people saw me post on the wrong account 5 times
Seriously, for the last few days I've been looking up at my account numerous times in a row to make sure it's not the wrong one, and STILL feel worried it'll be the wrong one when I post ;_;
<Kitten4u>I make my rules sound worse then they really are, so people will be less likely to break them >_>
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It's Zak's last game here for probably quite a while too. I'm sorry it wasn't better, bro :qq:
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Scum roles:
... why am I always surrounded by people like this?
Why does no one ever seem to donate to your shrine even when you work really hard to save their useless asses on a regular basis? You even let them have mooch off of the resources your little bit of money can buy and you let them have parties that almost always trash the shrine! Have they ever once thanked you for this? Have they ever once given you even a small amount of Yen? NO! You?ve practically spent the last few month living on leaves! Forget solving any more incidents, let?s see how they like it when YOU are the one causing it and YOU won?t be there to stop it for them!
You are Reimu Hakurei Scum Grumpy, Underappreciated Shrine Maiden and you have the following abilities:
Border World "Hakurei Danmaku Bounded Field": You are a member of the scum team with Yuugi Hoshiguma and Satori Komeiji. You may communicate at any time in this QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/kg945F6XMtQQ)
Dream Sign "Evil Sealing Circle": You have the ability to seal someone?s ability every night! Select whose power you want to seal and any night action they have will fail.
Dream Sign "Fantasy Dimensional Rift": You are able to make someone lose their playable status! By creating this dimensional rift you are able to force them to have tea in the morning. This may be overkill, but it?s really entertaining. You cannot send both the mafia factional kill and role block someone unless Yuugi Hoshiguma is drinking tea with the moderators.
You win when the Mafia outnumbers the town or when nothing can prevent the same from happening. Confirm in the thread. Good luck!
Now, arm your heart, and do battle against your own feelings!
Things get pretty boring underground sometimes, and you have to do SOMETHING to keep yourself amused. What better way than to freak everyone out by causing some incident that sounds really scary, but won?t actually hurt anyone? Things certainly did get interesting. Instead of a 1 on 1 spell card battle like you were expecting a whole bunch of people gathered to play this Mafia thing. That means you can read the danmaku in the hearts of nine people instead of just one~
You are Satori Komeiji Scum Troll and you have the following abilities:
Recollection "Terrible Souvenir": You are a member of the scum team with Yuugi Hoshiguma and Reimu Hakurei. You may communicate at any time in this QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/kg945F6XMtQQ).
Recollection "Terrifying Hypnotism" : Every night you can silently watch someone and read their mind. This will let you discover what that person?s role is.
Recollection "Vague Recollection of Kinkaku-ji": You have the ability to make someone give up their playable status through sheer irritation! Seriously, people were cursing ZUN when Kaguya had this card in the first Shoot the Bullet, just imagine what they thought when he gave it to you! You may not perform the Mafia factional kill and role cop someone unless Yuugi Hoshiguma is drinking tea with the moderators.
You win when the Mafia outnumbers the town or nothing can prevent the same. Confirm in thread. Good luck!
I only forgive the strong and the brave!
Yeah, so some people said something about doing something fun that would make people want to fight and stuff. You don?t really remember the conversation very well because you were really drunk at the time. Did they mention this weird ?Mafia? thing in that conversation? Because this isn?t fighting at all. Ah well, seeing how smart they are could be interesting too?
You are Yuugi Hoshiguma Scum Drunken Oni and you have the following abilities:
Oni Sign "Mysterious Powers and Disrupting Spirits": You are a member of the scum team with Reimu Hakurei and Satori Komeiji. You may communicate at any time in this QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/kg945F6XMtQQ)
Four Devas Arcanum "Knock Out In Three Steps": This let?s you force someone to give up their playable status! Let?s face it, they?ll be way too unconscious after dealing with your drunken fist to be able to keep playing. Unfortunately, you spent so long perfecting this ability that you can?t really do anything else, so you?re basically a Mafia Goon.
You win when the mafia outnumbers the town or nothing can prevent the same. Confirm in the thread. Good luck!
Notes: Both of the scum PRs were important to game balance, so I didn't want them to have to decide between using their ability and sending the NK. I also didn't want to be unfair to the town tracker, so I thought this compromise worked well.
Town PRs:
You're pretty interesting.
I like you, let's play!
Geez, how do you keep getting into all these weird situations? First, you just invited some weird humans to a party and they randomly attacked you, and this time you were just sleeping and people starting yelling at you saying that you could have caused this weird incident they were babbling about! People can be so rude sometimes. But evil spirits coming out of the real hell is pretty bad news, so you should probably help anyway. Something like that could actually make someone lose their playable status! Good thing you?ve been preparing a ?disease? that prevents that?
You are Yamame Kurodani Totally Kind and Loving Townie Doctor and you have the following ability:
Miasma Sign "Filled Miasma": You can fill the area near one person with this weird, invisible miasma. But this isn?t bad for them! They will be protected from all harm! No one will be drinking any tea with the moderators on your watch! Let?s just hope you protect the right person?
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Confirm in the thread. Good luck!
I don't have anything against you, but I can make up lots of reasons to attack you.
You were picked?LAST? What blasphemy is this?! You?re so jealous of the people that got picked before you that you just want to beat them up! But, before you went and did something stupid like that this weird ?Mafia? game thing was proposed. There was a much better way to channel your jealous rage. YOU WILL BE THE BEST TOWNIE EVER AND THEY WILL ALL BE JEALOUS OF YOUR AWESOME TOWNIENESS!
You are Parsee Mizuhashi Townie Jealous Stalker and you have the following ability:
Envy "Green-Eyed Invisible Monster": Every night you can channel you jealousy and create an invisible, physical manifestation of it. This monster will follow anyone you want and will report who they target back to you. After all, the bad guys are surely going to act again right? It would be totally anti-climactic if they didn?t. And once they do YOU WILL BE READY.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Confirm in the thread. Good luck!
i]You need something from me? Well, that's unusual.[/i]
Geez, Kanako never tells you anything! Was she planning something with hell this time? Well, whatever, she?s out shopping, so you can?t ask her until she gets back. You might as well try to figure out the culprit yourself. Besides, you?re kind of bored and when gods get bored they play!
You are Suwako Moriya Townie Moe, Upbeat, Immortal Goddess and you have the following ability:
Native God "Froggy Braves the Elements": You can survive anything! Seriously, there?s no way Kitten4u will let you give up your playable status; she likes you way too much! So, whenever you?re forced to drink tea and lose your playable status you can continue to make cameo appearances. You can?t talk, but you can still vote and your vote will always count!
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Confirm in the thread. Good luck!
Vanillas
See, all we've done is beat up someone completely unrelated.
Incidents? *yawn* You?ve only been solving them for like ever. But this Mafia thing really is an interesting twist. Good thing you have all these magic--Wait, who stole your magical items? Well, isn?t THAT ironic?
You are Marisa Kirisame Townie Ordinary Magician. You have your voice and your vote, but no special powers.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Confirm in the thread. Good luck!
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So some bad thing happened underground again? Well, this time you?re going to be more prepared because being a stage 1 midboss kind of sucks. You?ve got this really cool plan lined up and no one will be able to stop it! Eh? Mafia? What?s that? EH?! You can?t use your really cool plan in that way! What a drag?
You are Kisume Townie Bucket Loli. You have your voice and your vote, but no special abilities.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Confirm in the thread. Good luck!
Tada~
Carrying around corpses is so much fun~ You were so excited when you heard about this Mafia thing because it involved lynching people! Your cart will be getting pretty full by the end of the week huh? Eh? What?s that? The people that we ?lynch? only have to have a tea party with the moderators? They don?t actually DIE? This is really sad, but maybe you can convince them to let you have the bad guy?s corpses later?
You are Orin Townie Heroic Sociopath. You have your voice and your vote but no special powers.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Confirm in the thread. Good luck!
The ultimate energy is nuclear fusion power!
Won't you fuse with me?
Well, you?re not supposed to use your nuclear power to blow stuff up anymore, so you?re not really sure what to do with this whole Mafia thing since you can?t just incinerate all the bad guys. Well, you do have that one thing in your head?that one thing that lets you think. What was it called again?
You are Utsuho Reiuji Townie Nuclear Birdbrain. You have your voice and your vote, but no special abilities.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Confirm in the thread. Good luck!
I can't read minds like my sister.
Please talk to me with words I can hear.
This is great, you get to help solve an incident yourself! You have this really neat, ultimate power that will catch all the scum, save all the townies, and make delicious tea and cookies at the same time! Unfortunately, it was sealed away when you closed your third eye. Way to go hero.
You are Koishi Komeiji Love-obsessed Townie. You have you voice and your vote, but no special powers.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Confirm in the thread. Good luck!
You can't let yourself be trapped by common sense in Gensokyo, right?
You?re pretty sure that Kanako didn?t do anything with Hell, so you don?t really get what?s going on right now. It doesn?t really matter though right? It?s your duty as a shrine maiden to solve these incidents to get more worshipers for Kanako! Besides, Youkai hunting is pretty fun. Though, not all the people here are youkai are they?
You are Sanae Kochiya Townie Good Girl. You have your voice and your vote, but no special powers.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Confirm in the thread. Good luck!
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Also, player list!
1.) Reimu Hakurei - Edible
2.) Marisa Kirisame - Demonbman
3.) Kisume - ventuswings
4.) Yamame Kurodani - Choja/Sodium
5.) Parsee Mizuhashi - Yoshiken (Guy's never played here before and had all of three D1 posts even he wasn't happy with and still drew the N1 NK. Nice job, duder.)
6.) Yuugi Hoshiguma - Pesco
7.) Satori Komeiji - Zakeri
8.) Orin - Kefit/Alice (bofh why did you give yourself away immediately by linking to some obscure chemical's Wikipedia page in your only post)
9.) Utsuho Reiuji - huh what
10.) Koishi Komeiji - NeoSerela
11.) Sanae Kochiya - VgameT
12.) Suwako Moriya - Serpentarius
Seriously, for the last few days I've been looking up at my account numerous times in a row to make sure it's not the wrong one, and STILL feel worried it'll be the wrong one when I post ;_;
Yeah, I think going without the "post with wrong account = modkill" rule in the future would be wise. I know pesco was mildly upset that it wasn't getting enforced, but by the time he brought it up no less than five people would have been hit by it, and that's a lot to ask of any mod.
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So, it's over. Suppose I should ask the obvious question - is this game any less rage inducing than ordinary mafia? >_>
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Night actions
N1:
Yamame protects Sanae
Reimu blocks Yamame
Yuugi kills Parsee
Satori rolecops Sanae
Parsee tracks Satori
N2:
Yuugi kills Suwako
Reimu blocks Orin
Yamame protects Sanae
N3:
Yamame protects Sanae
Yuugi kills Sanae
Real players:
Er, cut by Kilga with the list. :P
Notes:
Yeeeah, I'll probably ax the "post with the wrong account = modkill" rule in the future. This was just how I had always seen it done.
And next time I mod I'll make sure I have more than "oh hey, running a game based on my favorite Touhou game sounds fun!" before adding myself to the queue. My brain was totally fried after writing that many role PMs at once. I'm surprised that Suwako's (the one I wrote last) is even readable.
I'm still a total pansy admin/mod. I really should have just modkilled Orin even if she was barely dodging prods. >__>
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I would like to thank the players of this mafia game for making my first time so, interesting.
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Reading through this topic is like having an out-of-body experience.
At least Snake Man did me proud.
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So, it's over. Suppose I should ask the obvious question - is this game any less rage inducing than ordinary mafia? >_>
Seems like it was fairly calm to me.
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No excuses for scum losing, I played really poorly. Pretty hilarious that Utsuho hammered me before I could convince the doc to counterclaim more than he already had.
Also, anonymafia is awesome, but I guessed more players than I didn't. Still awesome though, just require extra setup.
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oh man brofist to sodium for watching my back all game :>>
e: also, bummed that I never used sanaerollyeyes.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v459/VgameT/1270445186394.jpg)
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Yeah, this was a pretty calm game. Except for maybe that one post where I beat my head against a desk and declared that I was giving up :derp:
Okay, now I can find scum, I just need to learn not to look like fucking crap while I do it. Or waffle so consistently it becomes meta, like Kefit/Alice lurkiness and Pesco's mindhax. Because I'm a waffler in RL too, I cave in to other people's desires so easily and willingly ;_; I don't know if I could make myself temporarily stop for Mafia posting...
also, lol self voting, every single game where I've been town I do something that I KNOW is going to make me look bad, yet knowing this, I do it anyway. At least this time I had some degree of justification, even though it's still stupid >_>
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Wow I suck at guessing :V Well, Koishi WAS my second choice for Serela, but hurf.
Anyway I've been really stupid all game so uh. Sorry to scum for the derphammer.
VGameT: You do realize Sodium replaced him, right? Choja never actually posted.
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So, it's over. Suppose I should ask the obvious question - is this game any less rage inducing than ordinary mafia? >_>
Why should any game have to be rage inducing?
oh man brofist to choja for watching my back all game :>>
Choja ditched after one post. It was all Sodium.
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Also, out of curiosity, did anybody guess me right? :x
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The only guess I did was guessing that Suwako was Orin. There was a reason for this that I forgot.
This was done before confirmation started, of course. Wow, derpaderp.
I have a crack theory I made up on d2 to justify it, though. Gtg for now, I'll write it up on a few hours :V
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Choja ditched after one post. It was all Sodium.
Every Yamame post was Sodium. Choja never even confirmed. I think he said he was having internet issues though, so I wouldn't hold that against him.
Also, out of curiosity, did anybody guess me right? :x
I didn't get that many guesses actually. :( I don't think anyone guessed you right.
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I didn't guess for Utsuho at all. My other guesses were all correct except Sanae, who I thought was Rou.
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Also, Sodium was really easy to guess. Next time we play anonymafia somebody should imitate him the whole game. They could probably get away with it.
I just read the scumtopic. Sadface at people thinking I'm Serela :< Serela himself should have been able to guess who I was based on my first vote, hurrdurr.
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I almost never post here in general and the last game of mafia I was in was during september 09 so I didn't even try to guess anyone :G
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I was really hoping I could link myself to Koishi and Orin near the end of day 2. I tried my hardest.
Yeah, I wasn't reading any of Reimu's posts at all, which is why I said "I was the only one going after Yamame". I truly thought I was. I probably would have backed down if I had known Reimu was helping me. I didn't want to admit that I wasn't reading Reimu's posts because since I was about to flip scum, I didn't want to link myself more than I already had. We just had a REALLY poorly co-ordinated day one.
I really was pretty much out of it completely until just before the end of day 2. my teeth are feeling a lot better now, though.
Congratulations town on rooting out Reimu and Yuugi even though we were so close to the Koishi lynch. You guys pretty much deserved it after Reimu was lynched, even if it was an accidental quicklynch. The lynch on me sort of pisses me off, though, since the logical thing to do on day 2 with a town flip is to analyze the people on the wagon, rather than continue to pursue your day one cases. But Congratulations none the less.
I just wish the last game before my Hiatus I could have played a lot better than I was able to. Sorry everyone.
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Also, dunno if anyone has made the connection yet but not a single person on Kisume's lynch was scum. Haha! :derp:
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Also, dunno if anyone has made the connection yet but not a single person on Kisume's lynch was scum. Haha! :derp:
I did say something along the lines of "If Reimu and Yuugi are scum then Reimu's ignorance of everybody off the Kisume wagon worked out nicely for her since she was less obligated to take a stance on her buddies" in my accidentalhammerpost, but it was in a ball of tldr and hurrdurr.
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Just remembered to read the scum quicktopic!
Oh wow, Pesco actually thought I was a cop :] I feel warm and fuzzy inside~
Also, dunno if anyone has made the connection yet but not a single person on Kisume's lynch was scum. Haha! :derp:
So awesome :V
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8.) Orin - Heavy Lurker/Heavier Lurker
Oh, that makes sense.
So awesome :V
I know, right?
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When I told Kefit that Rin was available he immediately forgot that he was on a strict eight-hours-a-day schedule in studying for his bar exams. Then he played for a couple of real-life days and remembered. >_>
Don't know why bofh subbed in, to be honest, since he's been on the study clock for some time now and he knows it.
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Yeah, I didn't really bother hiding my identity. It was the reason I didn't want the replacement to be announced, but too much effort to try and write in another way.
VGT: I thought you were Kiro or something. Too Townie. Oh well, Third time was the charm, so yeah.
HW: See above, except minus the doctoring stuff, and add lolHammer, making counterclaims pointless.
Zak: Sorry about all the crap you're going through in real life. =|
demonbman: >_>
bofh: Complain about replacement announcement in Anonymafia, Give self away in first post :Advice Momiji:
Utsuho = Sanae, Reimu = Yuugi. Thus, VGT = HW, Edible = Pesco.
All my guesses were wrong except bofh, and he didn't even bother hiding it. Even then I wasn't sure it was him because on #sm, he was apparently busy doing something.
It's like that time where Suwako was lynched D1, but this time town actually caught on to the fact that everyone on it was town.
Well, anonymafia was fun. Could've used more modkills, especially Orin, but it was a nice learning experience for future games. I'd say there should be a one post warning, then modkill, but NS broke that 3 times, so yeah. >_>
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REPLACE INACTIVE PLAYERS, MAKE ADVICE DOGS OF EVERYBODY ELSE :AdviceYamame:
Utsuho = Sanae, Reimu = Yuugi. Thus, VGT = HW, Edible = Pesco.
I have no idea what you're saying here
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HW:
"Wow I(You, Utsuho) probably seem like I'm mimicing Sanae(VGT) with my votes now."
" I'm just gonna restate that she's(Pesco ,Yuugi) literally a small clone of Reimu(Edible) and vote for her now. "
So yeah.
Also, NeoSerela, if Pesco doesn't really care about looking town, neither should you. =3
Actually, didn't expect Pesco in because of his Inaba Game taking up a lot of time.
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"If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
-Suwako Moriya
Well, I said as much in private, but I like this anonymafia thing. The slow Day 1 was probably a blessing in disguise, too. Seems that it never helps the town to write 10 pages on Day 1.
VGT: I thought you were Kiro or something. Too Townie. Oh well, Third time was the charm, so yeah.
How funny, I thought you were Kiro.
The lynch on me sort of pisses me off, though, since the logical thing to do on day 2 with a town flip is to analyze the people on the wagon, rather than continue to pursue your day one cases.
This game is a great example of why that's not true. Town can and does lynch bad townies without scum's help at all, especially on D1.
Anyway, good game and such. Scum were closer to winning than the numbers would suggest. A Koishi lynch D3 and then a Yamame kill N3 probably would've led to an Orin lynch or modkill the next day, and after that the town would be in LyLo. Losing our investigative role early on really hurt us.
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Every Yamame post was Sodium. Choja never even confirmed. I think he said he was having internet issues though, so I wouldn't hold that against him.
Yes, I was; my internet blew out on July 4th and I wasn't able to get back on until today.
Thank you very much, Sodium, for taking my place! Sorry about having you replace me but you're lovely for doing that. Nice job protecting the good girl and all!
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So, just to chime in. I'm still amazed I drew the N1 NK, since I figured my few posts were pretty bad, and I really thought it was going to Koishi. I'm also kinda surprised Koishi drew fire for the next couple of days, but I also would've probably pushed for the Marisa lynch more, so... ^^'
Anyways, was a fun game to read, even after I was killed, and yay Town~
The lynch on me sort of pisses me off, though, since the logical thing to do on day 2 with a town flip is to analyze the people on the wagon, rather than continue to pursue your day one cases.
See, to me, the logical thing is to work on D2 cases - maybe look at the wagon, but don't rely entirely on it (or ignore it entirely either), and, well.. it seems to have worked for Town here, methinks. :V