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Re: Sword Girls Anonymafia - Someone Wins
« Reply #570 on: March 27, 2012, 02:59:29 AM »
postin' the rage PMs i sent to the mod

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FUCK, WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?

I went to the bathroom after sending those PMs, thought about it some more, and... no, I don't get it. He KNEW there was a Cop in the game. He knew roles in the game were most likely oddly named, too! He could have just claimed vig! It would have been more believable, wouldn't have outed a counterclaim and would have had a higher chance of him surviving to D2 if it was believed, because that's how you handle provable claims.

Just... why. I am so fucking confused by this game right now.

In other news, I'm pretty sure Esuna's hammer came from scum.

I'm also pretty sure I'm dying tonight though because just about everybody except for Meiya buddied up to me with some sort of 'FARINA IS SO TOWN" yesterday. SIGH.

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congratulations, your pm inbox is my new thoughts quicktopic, since there's no way I'll not be instalynched if I post meaningless NK spec in-thread

ANYWAY

They killed Shana? Really? This is the game with Hourai the wannabe pro-active supertown, Kilga and umu the N1 Policy Kills, a Shadoweh/Dormio superhydra, and whoever the hell Eclair is and I getting heralded as townie in like every other post, and they killed fucking SHANA? As in the lurker who didn't even know what a Godmother is until somebody told her?

A part of me wants to just policy lynch Shadoweh because I think that kill would come from her and set-up speculation says she's obvscum, but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't go through. :eng99:  Still, there had better be a town bus driver, otherwise scum is just laughing at us and we probably have a Kilga/umu/Shadormio scumteam who are just making dumb kills to fuck with the town because they know they've won anyway due to RNG and can be smugnoxious about it. Though I guess none of them are the type to actually do that except for maybe Dormio. I don't actually think Shadoweh is scum, either, but it FEELS like she should be.

anyway, uh, i'm probably not going to be available to play mafiers until like Late Nite or something so if i hit the 24 hour mark i'm probably just then working on a post
(I wasn't actually analyzing Yuukii's posting style so I thought it was just Dormio being Kyon or something, and I thought Edible was umu because his first D1 post reminded me of Kuruμnut, like, a lot)

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At the very least, I think PX BlackRose's player deserves to be carded for that entire day. Throughout the last few games, he's basically been flaking and lurking constantly regardless of alignment. It's infuriating to play with and only serves to degrade the quality of the game. What happened here (ignoring the meat of the day to the point where he was modkilled) was just ridiculous given his D1 and his history in general. I kind of get the impression that what I said about him lurking because he knew he could survive the day might have actually been true even though he flipped town. He's fully capable of actively playing and contributing to the game instead of only making random readposts on occasions and he has shown this multiple times before, why does he not bother doing so?

Obviously, this doesn't really apply if he had a good IRL excuse, but if he did, then I'm not aware.

If BlackRose was somehow NOT PX then ignore me.

this one still stands
FUCK YOU PXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX


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Re: Sword Girls Anonymafia - Someone Wins
« Reply #571 on: March 27, 2012, 03:01:20 AM »
Role PMs and QTs were posted on the previous page.

This chart is probably the best thing to come out of this game.


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Re: Sword Girls Anonymafia - Someone Wins
« Reply #572 on: March 27, 2012, 03:01:45 AM »
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They killed Shana? Really? This is the game with Hourai the wannabe pro-active supertown, Kilga and umu the N1 Policy Kills, a Shadoweh/Dormio superhydra, and whoever the hell Eclair is and I getting heralded as townie in like every other post, and they killed fucking SHANA? As in the lurker who didn't even know what a Godmother is until somebody told her?

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7) Shana (Shakugan no Shana) <-- Town, but totally punchable

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Re: Sword Girls Anonymafia - Someone Wins
« Reply #573 on: March 27, 2012, 03:04:53 AM »
I am very sorry to town for my horrible fakeclaim and for claiming far too late.  Yeah, that was really, really terrible, and I don't even know why I did it (though I didn't think there was a real cop in the game since I was a 'cop' by name).  It was the first time I got a nightvig role in four years, and I didn't even get to have fun with it!  Gosh.

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Re: Sword Girls Anonymafia - Someone Wins
« Reply #574 on: March 27, 2012, 03:08:17 AM »
Conq deserves a medal.

Even I can't make a setup this bastardly.
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Re: Sword Girls Anonymafia - Someone Wins
« Reply #575 on: March 27, 2012, 03:18:22 AM »
I cant tell if my role did more bad then good  :X

Re: Sword Girls Anonymafia - Someone Wins
« Reply #576 on: March 27, 2012, 03:21:33 AM »
you were part of the reason scum forfeited to the non-existant bus driving serial killer, so yeah

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Re: Sword Girls Anonymafia - Someone Wins
« Reply #577 on: March 27, 2012, 03:21:57 AM »
Conq, can you post night actions?  I want to know what happened!
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A life cool.. where can I download one of those?
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Re: Sword Girls Anonymafia - Someone Wins
« Reply #578 on: March 27, 2012, 03:28:24 AM »
you were part of the reason scum forfeited to the non-existant bus driving serial killer, so yeah

this makes no sense to me  ???

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Re: Sword Girls Anonymafia - Someone Wins
« Reply #579 on: March 27, 2012, 03:28:33 AM »
Aftermath of Conq's game in irc by most people with a game in queue: "Oh god I'm just going to remove all elements of role madness out of my future set up, right now."

And then suddenly the game queue was filled with tame and normal setups.

Except for Shadoweh's.

Also K4U they're in the mod QT, if you don't want to wait for him to post them (Or if he doesn't)
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Re: Sword Girls Anonymafia - Someone Wins
« Reply #580 on: March 27, 2012, 03:42:34 AM »
I-it's not bastard mod! It's just a little special!
*pets game* It's okay little setup.. ;_;


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Re: Sword Girls Anonymafia - Someone Wins
« Reply #581 on: March 27, 2012, 04:00:03 AM »
Fun fact: I had actually considsered requesting a town role because I didn't have a lot of time to dedicate to the game. I will admit I did some scummy things, but everything I said about activity, including everything I said surrounding the Day 1 non-switch to Miki, was 100% true and would have played out exactly that way were I town. (And PX, it was still seriously uncool to talk about how I wasn't around for most of the beginning of Day 2 in your vote on me since I had spent some of that absent time with my grandmother in physical rehab.)

So I promised this, for that it's relevant now. For the record, I really, genuinely did believe that Shadow4u was third party.

And on that note, while I'm thinking about it, I am well and truly floored to read through the mod QT and finding those in charge at least mildly surprised that the scum faction would chase third parties around after they were given a cop and a vig that couldn't be used on townies outside of desperation moves. (I guess this is what I get for forgetting my resolution to not join games where Pesco reviewed the setup after the equally-"enjoyable" Cavalier of the Abyss game.) If possible, I would like to hear from all three people involved in making or reviewing the setup as to why they thought they could give scum those roles and then expect scum to assume 10 town. Because, to be frank, as rage-inducing as CotA was, that's ultimately all it really was. It was a setup that was nigh-impossible to overcome, but at least I could see it coming and try to work around it (and almost did). I feel cheated by this game. I busted my ass paying attention to this game at work and during other commitments (for those that haven't read the Scum QT yet, the time I spent coaching Kanzaki through the Day 2 claim process, including calling Farina's bluff, was done in the middle of choir rehearsal - I literally had one eye on my music and one eye on my phone) and sacrificed a good deal of sleep and a shitton of free time to put my best effort forward. We were running out of time, but we had that light at the end of the tunnel. All we had to do was get to LYLO and I could shoot the right person...and then there was no right person all along and all the damage I had done to my sleep schedule, productivity at work, and rehearsal time for various musical commitments had all been for squat. I know games are supposed to be fun, and if I put in that amount of time but eventually lose on my own merits and faults, I can still have fun in that scenario. I lost this game because the game lied to me from start to finish. Not quite as fun to lose that way.

Anyway.

Why did I shoot Gasai?

For this to make sense, remember that I'm operating under the assumption that there has to be a third party, because why scum cop and dayvig that can't kill townies etc etc etc.

The first major point, which didn't occur to me at the time but really sunk in at work today while I was dwelling on it, was the highlighted votecount post. Four days, four "unknowns". Gasai looked, for all the world, like she was lining up the obvious lynches to get herself all the way to and through the final day safely. This was compounded by the Albarn clear, which looked like a incredibly lazy non-reason to clear someone and thus just an exceuse to match the number of unknowns to the number of available lynches.

The second major point comboed neatly with the first one; Gasai was trying to lead the game. Third parties do their best when they're active participants because they only have themselves to rely on, and as such they need to minimize the effect that dumb luck has on their playing status. Being an active participant like that gave Gasai a degree of control over the game.

From that realization, other lesser things set in. It occurred to me that, as much as I racked my brains for how it could work as a direct function of her role, I couldn't figure out why Shadow4u would claim the BlackRose role wurgle could have still happened with Town BlackRose. I also thought Kanzaki was obviously far scummier and I figured at least half of the Gasai sisters knew because K4U was scum in the game that spawned the video Kenshin linked to. She, above all else in this game, would have known what scum lurking really looked like. This led to me convincing myself that Gasai was knowingly getting rid of the townie at the end of Day 2.

And then there was Gasai using the Farina death against me so blatantly at the beginning of Day 3. In retrospect, had I know Day 3 was all Shadoweh, I might not have giving this as much thought because I think K4U would have been far less likely to bring it up even if she thought of it, but I didn't know who posted any given post aside from the one fuckup when K4U posted a thing with her actual forum account, and I fiugred they both had to be working together so K4U approved it. I know K4U knows very well the dangers of NK speculation, and I got the strong feeling Gasai bringing it up meant she knew it wasn't the intended kill and was just using it to jab at me. Which made her more likely to be the phantom omniredirector we had been worried about for a little bit.

Also the omnimiller claim was there and yeah.

As for other people, Albarn was completely out of my mind as a third party because who the fuck gets prodded that much and comes within 4 hours of a modkill as a third party. Irene both had good content and was greener than grass; she was obviously nervous and not entirely sure of herself, but was still giving it her all. If she was the third party, then kudos to her on a damn fine acting job. I don't think I can properly articulate why I didn't think it was Martin Ozzy or Busy (perhaps the latter I could say was because of how incredibly spastic Serela started being after Day 1; it didn't feel at all like a third party playstyle) but I didn't think it was either of them.

So Gasai it had to be. And we all saw how that worked out. I don't regret the decision in the slightest, though, and at least it made for an amusing read.

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Re: Sword Girls Anonymafia - Someone Wins
« Reply #582 on: March 27, 2012, 04:14:53 AM »
I expected scum to assume 10 town because there was a town role which was explicitly told that there were 10 town members, and I'd expect most townies to just claim that early...but that didn't happen, which ended up punishing the scumteam, which was an oversight.

Considering that I didn't declare LYLO and didn't put a restriction on when you could vig though, I don't know why you thought I would have given scum an instant win ticket, but I guess bastard mod setup etc.

I explained why I added a cop in the mod QT, but the meat of the role was always the jailor and I imagined most scumteams would use it that way.

I can accept that the addition of town roles like the bus driver and lightning rod screwed over the scumteam, but I don't agree with your statement that the game lied to you from start to finish.


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Re: Sword Girls Anonymafia - Someone Wins
« Reply #583 on: March 27, 2012, 04:17:22 AM »
I can accept that the addition of town roles like the bus driver and lightning rod screwed over the scumteam, but I don't agree with your statement that the game lied to you from start to finish.

I still dont understand

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Re: Sword Girls Anonymafia - Someone Wins
« Reply #584 on: March 27, 2012, 04:20:01 AM »
Then next time you don't give scum 2/3 roles that say "HI GUYS THERE IS A THIRD PARTY". (Or you just actually include a third party.) Of course we were going to use the Jailer as a roleblocker, but why did we need an alignment detector or a nightkill stopper? The latter can be kinda chalked up to the nightvig but the former was pretty blatant deception.

I figured we were given the one-day-early-LYLO-combo thing because our roles were pretty shit otherwise, and even then it was hardly a guarantee because we still would have had to pick the third party out of a bunch of townies (which is why we had the cop, of course!). It's easy to point at the rest of the setup and how underpowered a lot of the town roles were in order to balance the underpowered scum roles because you knew what the setup was. We didn't.

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Re: Sword Girls Anonymafia - Someone Wins
« Reply #585 on: March 27, 2012, 04:20:53 AM »
I still dont understand
It's because the scumteam was not even able to choose their nightkill target.

I made it worse by redirecting it N2 as well. Because my logic is silly I hit a town despite knowing (and practically knowing that I knew) 2/3 scum, at least.
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Re: Sword Girls Anonymafia - Someone Wins
« Reply #586 on: March 27, 2012, 04:29:58 AM »
So because there night kills were redirected, they thought there was a third party at work or something?

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Re: Sword Girls Anonymafia - Someone Wins
« Reply #587 on: March 27, 2012, 04:35:57 AM »
They had an alignment cop and a vig that would suicide kill the user if it hit town (As opposed to, say, hitting third party).

So it only made sense that there was a third party they were supposed to kill.
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Re: Sword Girls Anonymafia - Someone Wins
« Reply #588 on: March 27, 2012, 04:36:22 AM »
Bu- But I don't forget commas.

So it wasn't just me reading along going, "Man this is a trainwreck I don't really know what's happening."

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Re: Sword Girls Anonymafia - Someone Wins
« Reply #589 on: March 27, 2012, 04:40:52 AM »
The nightkill stopper could be used against the vig in the early game, while the alignment detector was mostly there to provide interaction with the rest of the setup, so scum wouldn't fakeclaim impossible role actions or something. But that never ended up being relevant in this game.

I don't think including a third party would have improved the game balance, if that's what you're saying. It probably would have made it even more swingy than it was.

I figured we were given the one-day-early-LYLO-combo thing because our roles were pretty shit otherwise, and even then it was hardly a guarantee because we still would have had to pick the third party out of a bunch of townies (which is why we had the cop, of course!). It's easy to point at the rest of the setup and how underpowered a lot of the town roles were in order to balance the underpowered scum roles because you knew what the setup was. We didn't.
Mmm, this I can understand. I originally designed this setup because I wanted to have a setup with roles that didn't focus on the roles, so mostly functional vanilla, or perhaps town roles with negative utility, etc. Sometimes the best way to use a role is to not use it at all. I ended up having to add actual roles to the setup for "balance." I dislike town cops because any half-witted townie can use a cop role to great effect, so I tried giving town some more unconventional roles (redirectors, all of which were basically last-minute additions, especially the bus driver and lightning rod). Redirectors are less reliable and pretty swingy, but their ability to mess with the scum NK means they can do a lot more harm in the right hands. On the other hand, the scumteam had basically the same power it had before. If I were to run this setup again I'd nix at least those two roles; I imagine the scumteam would have had a different perspective on the game if their kills the first two nights had gone the way they wanted to.

But yeah, if I do run a setup again it'll probably be an open setup or something. >_>


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Re: Sword Girls Anonymafia - Someone Wins
« Reply #590 on: March 27, 2012, 04:41:00 AM »
Bu- But I don't forget commas.

So,  it wasn't just me reading along going, "Man, this is a trainwreck. I don't really know what's happening."

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Re: Sword Girls Anonymafia - Someone Wins
« Reply #591 on: March 27, 2012, 04:42:18 AM »
I apologize for not arguing against the cop. I didn't even notice that the jailer was also a rolecop when I reviewed the setup. I thought Conq was just making millers all over the place to mess with town.

I do not apologize for giving your role the OK though (Kilga's vig that only survives if he hits scum). I thought that role was brilliant, allowing it's holder to either get rid of an extremely pesky townie when staring down a lynch anyway without giving town night actions or the ability to redirect it, or to just getting rid of a particularly troublesome scum buddy for lots of townie cred.

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Re: Sword Girls Anonymafia - Someone Wins
« Reply #592 on: March 27, 2012, 04:44:13 AM »
Wait wait

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As for other people, Albarn was completely out of my mind as a third party because who the fuck gets prodded that much and comes within 4 hours of a modkill as a third party.
Kilga, aren't you the one that modded the Moriyavatar? 8)


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Re: Sword Girls Anonymafia - Someone Wins
« Reply #593 on: March 27, 2012, 04:44:38 AM »
I just noticed that my death N2 would've probably been more beneficial for town than scum.

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Re: Sword Girls Anonymafia - Someone Wins
« Reply #594 on: March 27, 2012, 04:48:32 AM »
Moriyavatar didn't come quite that close to a modkill, though. :V Also they said more when they posted than the very little Albarn said when she was here.

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Re: Sword Girls Anonymafia - Someone Wins
« Reply #595 on: March 27, 2012, 04:50:58 AM »
Roles aside, there's also the fact that Hero and Edible cemented themselves as scum over the course of the game. Kilga's shot was a gambit with too much risk given that he'd have to solo the rest of the game even if it worked out.

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Re: Sword Girls Anonymafia - Someone Wins
« Reply #596 on: March 27, 2012, 04:52:55 AM »
Roles aside, there's also the fact that Hero and Edible cemented themselves as scum over the course of the game. Kilga's shot was a gambit with too much risk given that he'd have to solo the rest of the game even if it worked out.

Uh

We "cemented ourselves as scum" because we intentionally quicklynched a townie to pull off a gambit because none of us wanted to play anymore, because the setup was impossibly bad.  I stopped playing after N2.

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Re: Sword Girls Anonymafia - Someone Wins
« Reply #597 on: March 27, 2012, 05:18:40 AM »
...and this shenanigans is half of why I didn't join this game.
The other half being its original name, I wasn't about to forget that.

The "Who's Who?" chart is pretty interesting, hopefully it'll expand as more players join games.

I understood very little of this game as an observer, I'd imagine I'd understand less as a player.

I'll assure you this game is far from typical. :v
I figured as much.  It's why I decided to sit this one out as opposed to "oh boy my second game let's play the craziest one possible"

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Re: Sword Girls Anonymafia - Someone Wins
« Reply #598 on: March 27, 2012, 05:31:37 AM »
I'll assure you this game is far from typical. :v


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Re: Sword Girls Anonymafia - Someone Wins
« Reply #599 on: March 27, 2012, 05:36:18 AM »
I loved this game, because I loved the roles!

Don't lynch me.