Touhou 15.5: 東方憑依華 (Eastern Blooms of Possession) ~ Antinomy of Common Flowers

[Leon゠Helsing]

Well, that game is pretty much the hilariously fun kind of broken.

[7TC7]

So, anyone wanna try explaining what happened to us in the first round here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6HiQq9MqwE

Because that sure was ... something.

[cuc]

my utmost apologies, but how do i do that? i am not very good with computers, after all.

Just google "set default graphics card" plus your card type - nVidia or AMD.

[shockdude]

So, anyone wanna try explaining what happened to us in the first round here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6HiQq9MqwE

Because that sure was ... something.

lolwut. Maybe Reimu's sealing field thing has a hitbox for since reason?

Just google "set default graphics card" plus your card type - nVidia or AMD.

He has a desktop with a GeForce 210, so I don't think this applies. I currently suspect overheating.

[cuc]

So, anyone wanna try explaining what happened to us in the first round here?

You can do this!


The intention was propably for the talisman to transmit a little damage to Reimu before it got immediately destroyed by the attack. The issue is the talisman fails to die.

[Splashman]

Win quotes transcribed. This time they were all images, which I dearly hope is something they'll only do for the demo version!

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憑依と言っても
身体を乗っ取られるという
感覚とはちょっと違うな
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お前昔にフェニックスに
憑依されてなかったか?
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こんな面白い異変も珍しいな
私が調ベてやるよ
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この完全憑依異変
もしかして月の技術じゃないよな

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完全憑依の原因はよく判らないが
暴れるチャンスが二倍に
なったってことだな
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今度は私と組もうな
最強の日力でぬるま場の奴らを
焼き尽くそう！
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暫くは異変解決しなくて良いぜ
楽しいからな
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お前何か知ってそうだな
やっばりこの異変も
月の民の仕業なのか?

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多分、私一人でも勝ててたわね
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やだ、この異変は楽しい??
いやいや解決しないとね
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異変解決は私任せて！
あんたは大人しく
スレイブてれば良いのよ
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そういえば光る竹を見つけた
という噂を聞いたんだけど??
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あれ？
憑依しすぎなのか私が見える??
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奴隷根性が染み付いてて
上手くスレイブを扱えてない
みたいね

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完全憑依かー
これも都市伝説異変の影響って
ことよねぇ
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あんたがマスターだったんだ
見た目からてっきりスレイブかと
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最初に完全憑依を見たのは
霊夢と貴方が入れ替わった
時なのよねぇ
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この異変は私が調べます
元、月の兎としての負い目も
ありますので

[Fluury]

Well, that game is pretty much the hilariously fun kind of broken.

how?

[Flandre5carlet]

how?

Think he was talking about the Fist of the North Star game I mentioned. It's indeed all kinds of broken, with the majority of characters having touch of death combos as well as instant kill moves they can combo into really easily if circumstances are met.
Think Guilty Gear on steroids.

[Leon゠Helsing]

Aye, the physics is also just plain wacky too. Ever heard it being called "Hokuto no Basketball"?

[mauve]

the hnk fighter is a post-apocalyptic basketball game, yes

appreciating all these amusing clips of things that are going to get fixed

[Critz]

All fine and dandy, but is there anyone who can explain the system already?  :V

By mucking around, I've noticed that switching when shooting bullets will also cause the other character to shoot a bullet attack that is exclusive to the tag-out. And I've just only figured out that mashing the switch and spell card buttons will cause the slave to use the spell card after master does - but the slave, apparently, cannot use a spell card on her own. Anything else I'm missing or should know?

[7TC7]

You can do this!

The intention was propably for the talisman to transmit a little damage to Reimu before it got immediately destroyed by the attack. The issue is the talisman fails to die.

Well, that's just silly. I was wondering how easy it would be to recreate it, but from your picture I guess, most bullets can damage Reimu through the talisman

[Leon゠Helsing]

Is it just me or is it impossible to remap the arrow keys to WASD? This is kinda important to me since my right arrow key's kinda busted.

[7TC7]

Is it just me or is it impossible to remap the arrow keys to WASD? This is kinda important to me since my right arrow key's kinda busted.

It works for me. Did you make sure you don't use any of those keys elsewhere in the mapping? And did you press confirm at the bottom of the key-mapping screen?

[Leon゠Helsing]

...Well, this is embarrassing. Turns out I forgot to actually select the keyboard side of the bindings.

[Nebulae--Addict]

dream post time!

i had a dream where wakasagi was playable, and her last word  had bubble-like things.

[Lt Colonel Summers]

Some Fridge Horror I've just realized about this whole "Perfect Possession" thing...

In the ending of the Extra Stage of ULiL PS4, Reimu was shown to be suffering the excruciating pain that came from Mokou's regenerative powers as a Hourai Immortal. And given that Mokou pretty much DIED several times and regenerated just as many times, this must be one hell of an excruciating pain for Reimu...
Worse yet: the ending also looks to me that whatever injuries inflicted upon Mokou that isn't fully healed, Reimu KEEPS them! Thankfully the injuries kept are not bad enough to be fatal, but imagine if it was something worse...like shattered ribs, broken spine, amputated limbs, having a large fraction of the head blown off... And we all know that Reimu's death will lead to the collapse of the Hakurei Barrier... *Shudders*
Even worse: before the fight began, Reimu immediately blames her losing control of her body on possession, shortly before literally turning into Mokou. That line seems to be implying that during the entirety of the fight against Mokou, Reimu is FULLY AWARE of what is happening: Mokou giving the Spell Card Rules the middle finger and tries to kill Reisen - a friend! And Reimu couldn't do anything but be forced to watch "herself" try to kill a friend using one excruciatingly painful Kamikaze attack after another, and said friend killing her back several times in self-defense!
I would be extremely surprised if Reimu didn't develop worse PTSD than Reisen did from the Lunar War after all that...

[Nebulae--Addict]

you've made this too deep

[OrbOrigin]

Some Fridge Horror I've just realized about this whole "Perfect Possession" thing...

In the ending of the Extra Stage of ULiL PS4, Reimu was shown to be suffering the excruciating pain that came from Mokou's regenerative powers as a Hourai Immortal. And given that Mokou pretty much DIED several times and regenerated just as many times, this must be one hell of an excruciating pain for Reimu...
Worse yet: the ending also looks to me that whatever injuries inflicted upon Mokou that isn't fully healed, Reimu KEEPS them! Thankfully the injuries kept are not bad enough to be fatal, but imagine if it was something worse...like shattered ribs, broken spine, amputated limbs, having a large fraction of the head blown off... And we all know that Reimu's death will lead to the collapse of the Hakurei Barrier... *Shudders*
Even worse: before the fight began, Reimu immediately blames her losing control of her body on possession, shortly before literally turning into Mokou. That line seems to be implying that during the entirety of the fight against Mokou, Reimu is FULLY AWARE of what is happening: Mokou giving the Spell Card Rules the middle finger and tries to kill Reisen - a friend! And Reimu couldn't do anything but be forced to watch "herself" try to kill a friend using one excruciatingly painful Kamikaze attack after another, and said friend killing her back several times in self-defense!
I would be extremely surprised if Reimu didn't develop worse PTSD than Reisen did from the Lunar War after all that...

Is Mokou still trying to find a way to die as a human being?

Then again, it's possible the perpetrator deliberately starting the "Perfect Possesion incident" more than just experimenting her abilities to transfering one soul from one body to another, but also making every ULiL participants life like a living hell.

[Lt Colonel Summers]

Is Mokou still trying to find a way to die as a human being?

Then again, it's possible the perpetrator deliberately starting the "Perfect Possesion incident" more than just experimenting her abilities to transfering one soul from one body to another, but also making every ULiL participants life like a living hell.

But still, I find it chilling that Mokou is the first character in canon to blatantly violate the "all battles must be non-lethal" part of the Spell Card Rules when she decided to kill Reisen in ULiL PS4 Extra Stage.
Even the most villainous and literally insane 2hus ever presented - Flandre, Tenshi, Utsuho, Seija, Junko and Hecatia - kept their attacks non-lethal. But Mokou, the one you least expect to give the SCR the middle finger, is the first to do so in canon...

[Flandre5carlet]

But still, I find it chilling that Mokou is the first character in canon to blatantly violate the "all battles must be non-lethal" part of the Spell Card Rules

Can we really say that when some characters have what appears to be very muchly lethal danmaku, like Sakuya's knives?
Also, Seija has a whole game about breaking the rules and everyone else in turn breaking the rules to fight her.

[OrbOrigin]

But still, I find it chilling that Mokou is the first character in canon to blatantly violate the "all battles must be non-lethal" part of the Spell Card Rules when she decided to kill Reisen in ULiL PS4 Extra Stage.
Even the most villainous and literally insane 2hus ever presented - Flandre, Tenshi, Utsuho, Seija, Junko and Hecatia - kept their attacks non-lethal. But Mokou, the one you least expect to give the SCR the middle finger, is the first to do so in canon...

What about Junko? Doesn't she also violates the spell card rule?

By the way, what I am talking about is the final boss' motives to perpetrates the whole Perfect Possession incident.

[CrystalCreation]

What about Junko? Doesn't she also violates the spell card rule?

Junko wanting to actually kill the player is pure fan speculation made up to justify her poor bullet patterns. It even contradicts the ponitdevice route in which she pretty much admits defeat as soon as she encounters the purified protagonists. She just keeps fighting to vent out her anger.

Even Mokou isn?t really breaking the spellcard rules since she is still using non-lethal attacks like everyone else. Her dying and resurrecting is just part of her ?skill set? which she can channel into (non-lethal) attacks.

[D-T]

The characters say that they're going to kill or murder each other all the time. Just because they say it don't mean that they actually want to do it. Mokou fighting Reisen in ULiL PS4 was purely venting some frustration and definitely was not an actual murder attempt.

[Lt Colonel Summers]

The characters say that they're going to kill or murder each other all the time. Just because they say it don't mean that they actually want to do it. Mokou fighting Reisen in ULiL PS4 was purely venting some frustration and definitely was not an actual murder attempt.

Yet the ferocity of her attacks in ULiL PS4 Extra are at such a high level, she actually gave me impressions of her intentionally saying "Eff you, I'm gonna kill this bitch" to the Spell Card Rules before attacking Reisen.

[Drake]

But Mokou, the one you least expect to give the SCR the middle finger

I like how you say this but immediately assume she was trying to kill Reisen anyways. Like ok. Maybe there is another explanation that actually makes sense, perhaps?

[Camilo113]

Yet the ferocity of her attacks in ULiL PS4 Extra are at such a high level, she actually gave me impressions of her intentionally saying "Eff you, I'm gonna kill this bitch" to the Spell Card Rules before attacking Reisen.

But that's not what she actually says nor she ever implies she wants to kill Reisen while violating Spell Card rules.



Are you seriously basing this whole thing on the fact you found her Stage to be particularly difficult?

[D-T]

Not only all of that, it's far from the first time people ignored the spell card rules, because that is literally the entire plot of Impossible Spell Card.

[dark36]

i don't think that they actually broke the rules in Impossible Spell Card its just Seija trying to justify her cheating. the fact that its possible to beat the whole game without using the cheat items means that the spell aren't actually impossible they are just really hard to beat.

[PK]

i don't think that they actually broke the rules in Impossible Spell Card its just Seija trying to justify her cheating. the fact that its possible to beat the whole game without using the cheat items means that the spell aren't actually impossible they are just really hard to beat.

It's just story/gameplay segregation. Both the "narrator" and the ones talking to Seija say they are impossible and that rules will be broken.

"For the next few days, the assassins will attack with impossible spell cards that ignore the rules!"

And so on.

Not sure what made people think Mokou wanted to kill Reisen, tho.