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Re: Touhou Accomplishments Thread XVIII: Marine Successes
« Reply #540 on: November 09, 2012, 01:06:59 AM »
Now I've made it to Utsuho with two different shot types. I don't think ReimuB is working out - Ghost Wheels, of all things, is destroying my resources. Not sure to continue or not.

Re: Touhou Accomplishments Thread XVIII: Marine Successes
« Reply #541 on: November 09, 2012, 01:21:37 AM »
I can't tell if that's a typo. <_<

Haha, well I is located right next to O so it just might've been. but no, it was intentional.

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments Thread XVIII: Marine Successes
« Reply #542 on: November 09, 2012, 01:50:25 AM »
Holy crap, I capped DBDB. Also made it to Subterranean Sun but that doesn't feel like as big of an accomplishment. This game is much easier with ReimuA and if it wasn't for some dumb mistakes it would have been a clear.

Really nothing compares to UFO on the difficulty front. Maybe no-bombs would be harder but :V

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments Thread XVIII: Marine Successes
« Reply #543 on: November 09, 2012, 01:53:29 AM »
Now I've made it to Utsuho with two different shot types. I don't think ReimuB is working out - Ghost Wheels, of all things, is destroying my resources. Not sure to continue or not.

You can definitely get the clear with ReimuB!

Watched your replay, you should probably look into the cheese method for Orin's 2nd non... also, bombing so much on her 2nd spell sorta doomed you later on.  The two BoWaP fairies at the end of stage 6 are static, you should try to capture them so that you get max power if you're not already!  Other than that, silly deaths and a few unnecessary bombs messed up some things... but you're definitely on the road to clearing with her!

Your run was good up till stage 5 though, the death to red lasers on stage 4 was kinda silly, but it didn't really harm the run too much.

Haha, well I is located right next to O so it just might've been. but no, it was intentional.

Oh!  I didn't notice that, haha.  Hey, they ain't bad!  Just harder to no-bomb with :3
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments Thread XVIII: Marine Successes
« Reply #544 on: November 09, 2012, 02:08:06 AM »
Thanks Nindella! I was wondering what I could improve. I could have capped Vengeful Cannibal Spirit - it's pretty easy with Reimu B's piercing - but I was kind of on edge after a few really bad runs and was feeling pessimistic. The second nonspell cheese and BoWaP fairies I'll definitely look into practicing (though with BoWaP fairies you get 1 power back from bombing them so at higher power levels I won't hesitate to do so).

Re: Touhou Accomplishments Thread XVIII: Marine Successes
« Reply #545 on: November 09, 2012, 04:01:39 AM »
Now I've made it to Utsuho with two different shot types. I don't think ReimuB is working out - Ghost Wheels, of all things, is destroying my resources. Not sure to continue or not.
I believe the wheels in ghost wheels count as bullets, so if you plant one on top of Orin, you might be able to skip it with 2 bombs, similar to MarisaB. I'm not 100% sure though.

Watched your replay too, here are some things:
Stage 1:
-Stream straight down the middle before Kisume and you don't need to run around for power and can end her card quicker.
-There's a much easier way of doing Kisume's first card. Make Kisume move to the left/right three times, cross under her to the middle, then stay constantly under her as you make her move towards the opposite direction you lured her in. You should only need to dodge a few bullets. It's a very consistent method for me, but if you're fine with what you're doing, then go for it.
-I recommend maxing the communication gauge at the very last wave of the stage, and just streaming the whole thing to a corner. I find it's much easier to get caught off guard otherwise. Again, see the last sentence of the previous point.
Stage 3:
-The whole bit with the lasers before boss Yuugi is almost trivialized by sitting in a corner, or very close to it. I use the left one because I stream from the right to get the red fairies. I would recommend bombing it with a lot of other characters, but with ReimuB's bomb, the spirits it spawns homes in on Yuugi, which means you get pretty much no power from it. Sucks.
-Yuugi's second non-card is static based on her position. There is something close to a safespot the left of Yuugi's "enemy" marker. You'll just need to adjust based on Yuugi's position, and dodge the blue lasers accordingly. The red lasers will never hit you there though.
-Yuugi's last non-card can be easily done by dodging the initial wave from the center, moving upwards to avoid the clusters from the side, and moving to the left/right and camping in the last third/fourth of the screen, making only minimal dodges.
-You handled Ooe beautifully, despite the one death. I'm never confident enough to make some of the dodges you did.
Stage 4:
-You should never die to the red lasers before midboss Orin. If you start from the center and stream to the left/right when the red lasers come, you'll always kill the orbs that spawn the lasers on that side, and you won't have to dodge anything. This will only work above a certain power threshold though. It definitely doesn't work at 0 power.
-I'm going to assume the bomb at the beginning of the green amulet section was specific to this run, but if it wasn't, just know that the green amulets are static.
-The red lasers in the section after the green amulets can be handled in the same way as the part before midboss Orin, but the green amulets linger on the screen, making dodging the first wave of red lasers difficult. The same general strategy applies though, just watch out for the green amulets.
-Christ the way you dodged Terrifying Hypnotism was magical. How in the world do you do that? Same with Pandemonium.
Stage 5:
-I really don't recommend immediately bombing midboss Orin's first non-spell. You will spend a lot more time in popcorn hell if you do. If you let it go for a while, you won't even need to bomb once during it.
-Yeah you should learn the cheese method for the second non-spell
-Don't sit on top of Orin while bombing during her final card. She won't fire the popcorn bullets if you do, and you'll miss out on some bomb damage.
Stage 6:
-I would say to learn how to do the purple streaming section, but I never bothered to learn either, so I'll keep my mouth shut.
-If you have the power as ReimuB, always plant the bomb on top of Orin right as the card starts. You'll deal a ton of damage.
-And like Nindella said, the Bowap fairies are static. If you want to bomb one, bomb the first one, as I believe its pattern is slightly harder than the second.
-I find that doing Okuu's non-spells where she flies around the screen (second and fourth I believe?) to be easier if I'm closer to the middleish of the screen. I can't remember when I last legitimately died to them. Your mileage may vary.

You're a much better player than I am, and I managed to barely scrape through a 1cc with ReimuB, so you can definitely do it. If you just learn to trivialize a few more things, then you can get this 1cc easy. Okuu past her first card isn't terribly hard. You got this!

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments Thread XVIII: Marine Successes
« Reply #546 on: November 09, 2012, 04:10:38 AM »
Thanks! I'll do some stage 5 practice tomorrow and see what I can incorporate. I definitely bombed a lot more than usual, but hey, wasn't expecting to get that far.

The ghost wheels are not bullets, unfortunately. I've planted bombs on top of Orin and they've gone right through. Since the needles don't spawn from her hand you actually do not get a lot of damage from bombing, which is a pity.

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments Thread XVIII: Marine Successes
« Reply #547 on: November 09, 2012, 05:00:56 AM »
Captured the Lunatic version Marisa's Black Magic "Event Horizon" on the first try with solo Youmu (in a test run to unlock stage practice 2-5, that went pretty badly otherwise, surprised I survived until Kaguya's 3rd nonspell). I consider this significant because I'd never captured the card on Hard (or tried it on Lunatic) with any solo human due to those solid familiars.

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments Thread XVIII: Marine Successes
« Reply #548 on: November 09, 2012, 06:06:45 AM »
Well, I can say that I am definitively getting better at UFO. I can usually get to and past Shou before getting game over'd. I think I just need to settle down during some parts. Midboss Nue Sphere still causes problems (though stage 3 form is getting there). Hoping I can 1cc it during Thanksgiving break, when I actually have time to play it longer.

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments Thread XVIII: Marine Successes
« Reply #549 on: November 09, 2012, 08:28:36 AM »
80 scenes clear with Aya no focus/camera switch
Cleared all stage 8 and EX scenes now, and missing only 11-4 from stage 11.
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments Thread XVIII: Marine Successes
« Reply #550 on: November 09, 2012, 12:28:43 PM »

Re: Touhou Accomplishments Thread XVIII: Marine Successes
« Reply #551 on: November 09, 2012, 12:31:56 PM »
Meh.. LNMNBNUFO or gtfo.

Still congratulations on clearing the game in less lives than I usually spend on Stage 5. Good job. :D

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments Thread XVIII: Marine Successes
« Reply #552 on: November 09, 2012, 12:36:50 PM »


You're too fast with this shit, Cactu. Congratiulations.

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments Thread XVIII: Marine Successes
« Reply #553 on: November 09, 2012, 12:38:37 PM »
You have my respect, Cactu. Follow the proper Finnish celebration procedure and get wasted.

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments Thread XVIII: Marine Successes
« Reply #554 on: November 09, 2012, 12:43:11 PM »
congratulations. considering it takes me all the shit I have to clear the game, that's very impressive =)

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments Thread XVIII: Marine Successes
« Reply #555 on: November 09, 2012, 01:05:30 PM »
o7

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« Reply #556 on: November 09, 2012, 01:23:12 PM »
Congrats Cactu! That's hot shit!

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« Reply #557 on: November 09, 2012, 03:36:09 PM »
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments Thread XVIII: Marine Successes
« Reply #558 on: November 09, 2012, 03:49:15 PM »
duh, just did a no bomb marisa in GFW. It wasn't exceptional or anything, but that run motivated me to go for a NMNB for that extra stage. because we all know GFW extra is best extra, rather than Flandre or nue :V

this NMNB might take a hwile, though :'D of course, I will still be using ice.

Re: Touhou Accomplishments Thread XVIII: Marine Successes
« Reply #559 on: November 09, 2012, 03:50:56 PM »

FUCK YES! LNBNUFO!!!
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=25127
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That's insane. YOU are insane. That's just...
Hot damn congrats man! That's an amazing achievement.

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments Thread XVIII: Marine Successes
« Reply #560 on: November 09, 2012, 04:42:30 PM »

FUCK YES! LNBNUFO!!!
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=25127


Bloody hell, you've done it!  Congrats, that's awesome!
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments Thread XVIII: Marine Successes
« Reply #561 on: November 09, 2012, 05:07:08 PM »
After having watched the replay... congrats on the live perfect Stage 6.

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments Thread XVIII: Marine Successes
« Reply #562 on: November 09, 2012, 06:22:41 PM »
I caught Spread Sign "Invisible Full Moon" Lunatic with no horizontal movement! :toot:

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments Thread XVIII: Marine Successes
« Reply #563 on: November 09, 2012, 07:09:34 PM »


Good Game, Marisa Man

Can you see her life bar? Me neither. Well, no, I can see it, but just barely. I think it's that pixel-sized slice over there.

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This run was extraordinarily good. I got to the spell before the spell before last (the one in which you cannot have enough reaction time to dodge the giant familiars raining down from the heavens) with what I estimate was ~530% Motivation. I died... at least twice, and got to Blazing Star Like Tag with ~400% Motivation and no Perfect Freezes. I got to the last spell with 70% Motivation and one Perfect Freeze.

I really wanted to save it for the last phase, I really did. I was forced (??? who knows) to use it late in the second phase, which is a real bummer.

Like I said, this run was extraordinarily good. I don't expect to reach the last spell again in a million years. I need at least three lives to burn on Blazing Star Like Tag's final phase.

At least I'm used to "omigosh-nearly-got-this-helluva-achievement" by this point. Not much can beat that death at Scarlet Gensokyo~

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments Thread XVIII: Marine Successes
« Reply #564 on: November 09, 2012, 07:25:52 PM »
Oh my god cactu. Oh my god. That's one for the record books. I hope all the frustration paid off.

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments Thread XVIII: Marine Successes
« Reply #565 on: November 09, 2012, 08:38:17 PM »
Congrats Cactu!

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments Thread XVIII: Marine Successes
« Reply #566 on: November 09, 2012, 09:09:22 PM »

FUCK YES! LNBNUFO!!!
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=25127
Congrats Cactu! That's hot shit!
Sounds about right. Badass achievement, that's for sure.
duh, just did a no bomb marisa in GFW. It wasn't exceptional or anything, but that run motivated me to go for a NMNB for that extra stage. because we all know GFW extra is best extra, rather than Flandre or nue :V

this NMNB might take a hwile, though :'D of course, I will still be using ice.
Sounds awesome. I did eventually plan to do that one as well, guess you'll beat me to it. <_<

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments Thread XVIII: Marine Successes
« Reply #567 on: November 09, 2012, 09:42:12 PM »
So I guess the best way to get better at Marine Benefit is to not play it for ages. :V

I just went into Stage 2 Lunatic, just for a warmup and to see how much my skills had deteriorated. I attempted timeouts of every single card in the stage, expecting to maybe get one of them. I got ALL OF THEM. In the same run.

I then proceed to go into Stage 5 and perfect the stage portion for the first time ever. My only death to Megumi was to Eau-De-Vie, and because I was trying for a timeout. I lasted until the 6 second mark, and then proceed to cap Eight Million Laughing Gods. So I would have perfected Megumi if I'd just gone for a capture. ::)

Anyway...here's my timeout of Escher Screw, uploaded because IMO it's the hardest thing in that stage. I'll put up the others if anyone requests them.

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments Thread XVIII: Marine Successes
« Reply #568 on: November 09, 2012, 09:55:02 PM »
Sounds about right. Badass achievement, that's for sure.Sounds awesome. I did eventually plan to do that one as well, guess you'll beat me to it. <_<

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GFW extra is best extra as well

I wouldn't say that if you started soon. I just at these games, remember? :V plus, doing something before someone else does it doesn't make an achievement less worth. and if we go by that "logic" you'd have beaten me to everything but suwako. (considering you didn't do Flandre, ran, seiga and nitori yet)
but yeah, doing NMNB marisa will probably take a lot of time and it might take more tries than mountain of faith's stage 4. possibly. I AM pretty horrible, after all. can't do so much shit for my life.

oh yeah, you people can now watch my perfects (I will upload other stuff, too, though) on my youtube channel :V http://www.youtube.com/user/Sakurei1/videos?view=0 if anyone's interested, anyway. I didn't upload stage 1s and 2s, because I planned to put them up in one video. have to go through the trouble of making a replay for minoriko :V
Also no Meiling because no practice replays. might re-do her with life recording, though.
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments Thread XVIII: Marine Successes
« Reply #569 on: November 09, 2012, 09:57:15 PM »
I have no replay to prove it.

However, I have timed out Scarlet Gensokyo withuot bombing or dying.

Got something done today after all.