Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Beyond the Border~ => Rumia's Party Games => Mystia's Stored Games => Topic started by: Shadoweh on September 28, 2013, 06:26:51 AM
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~*~Mirai Nikki Thread 2~*~
Consentes Dii Juno Jupiter Minerva Apollo Mars Ceres Mercurius Diana Baccus Vulcanus Pluto Vesta Venus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql0NtjXIv_s)
On a different earth, twelve people were granted the Future Diary by Deus Ex Machina in order to play a survival game to determine who would become God. When they were shown the DEAD END from another future, the diary owners decided not to play Deus's game and instead work together to create a better future. But not everyone was willing to give up the power of God. The first blood has already been spilled and the DEAD END flags have been set once more. Change the future and cheat death! Win the coveted miracle at the end of the Survival Game!
Moderator: Shadoweh ^_^/
Reviewer: Kitten4u
Regular rules shamelessly stolen from stalkee:
- Town must lynch (no majority = random lynch)
- Scum must kill every night.
- Day 1 will last 48 hours (2 Days). Day 2 and onward will last 72 hours (3 days). Nights are 24 hours.
- If you do not post in 24 hours, you wil be proded. If I deem you are unable to commit to the mafia, you will be modkilled or replaced.
- No extensions.
- No editing posts.
- Votes must have ## in front and be bolded (EG: ##Vote FAV) Unvotes are appreciated but unnessicary. Don't purposely post fake votes.
- Play to win.
- Don't be lame.
- Parties with private communication (e.g. scum) may communicate at any time.
- Don't quote any private communications (role PMs, questions you asked the mod, quicktopics etc.). Paraphrasing is fine. If you're unsure if your paraphrase comes too close to quoting ask a mod.
- You cannot talk about the game outside the thread.
- Bah posts are forbidden.
- Perfect Purple is reserved for the moderator. Do not use my color in your posts.
Special Shadoweh Rules:
- Twilight is the phase between when a hammer has been dropped and Night is announced. Town may continue to converse until the flip and Night is declared.
- No talking at Night.
- No nasty language. Any slurs, swears or other nasty things will be MODIFIED BEAUTIFULLY. See This thread (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9247.0.html) for examples of what your UNCOUTH posts might turn into.
- Anti-town roles have learned the townie technology of killing and using night actions at the same time.
- In case action resolution ever comes up please refer to this handy chart. (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Natural_Action_Resolution)
- Flips will be given in full, See SYWTBTT Mafia for examples.
Any other win conditions were included in roles sent.
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First Thread Here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.0.html)
Playing the Survival Game: 4/14
2. Conqueror
6. Kilgamayan (didn'tmakeit) Bardiche
7. BT
8. Sereley
DEAD END: 10/14
4. Raikaria playing Tsubaki Kasugano, Town Gift Giver was lynched Day 1
10. huh what jesus playing Marco Ikusaba, Town Mason was killed Night 1
14. Paperblade playing Reisuke Houjou, Mafia Ascetic Redirector was lynched Day 2
9. Zakeri playing Yuno Gasai, Town Serial Killer was killed Night 2
5. Nekonekorex playing Minene Uryu, Town Bomb was lynched Day 3
11. Schezo playing Akise Aru, Town Cop was Exploded Day 3
13. BigBangMeteor playing Yomotsu Hirasaka, Town Justice Voter was killed Night 3
3. CF7 playing Hinata Hino, Town Tree Stump was lynched Day 4
12. Serious Banananananana BATMAN playing Yukiteru Amano, Town Dependant Hider was killed Night 4
1. Dormio playing Ouji Kosaka, Mafia Conditional Vanilizor Backup Strongman was lynched Day 5
Useful Links:
Day 1 Start (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020494.html#msg1020494)
Day 1 End (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021633.html#msg1021633)
Day 2 Start (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1022036.html#msg1022036)
Day 2 End (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1023343.html#msg1023343)
Day 3 Start (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1023607.html#msg1023607)
Day 3 End (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1023917.html#msg1023917)
Day 4 End (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1025050.html#msg1025050)
Day 5 End (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15642.msg1025629.html#msg1025629)
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Day 5 End: YOU CAN'T ESCAPE DAY 5 DORMIO BG PLYS BGGR THRWS
'fck my lf cnt pst wth ths stpd rstrctn'
Everyone was confused on what to do, then someone had an idea!
"Hey Dormio what did you like about the Ragnarok server again?"
"HATS HATS HATS HATS HA-I mean... oh shit."
SUDDENLY DORMIO BECAME A FIVE-HUNDRED TON DINOSAUR!
"YOU CAN'T LYNCH ME! IM THE GREATESTTTTTAAAAUGHGHDSGUJSDHNG!"
You run around screaming until the Super Sentai show up to defeat Dormio with their Superzord.
"..Okay, this definitely didn't happen in the anime."
Dormio (3) Mitt Sereley, Bardiche, Dormio
Not voting: Conqueror, BT
Dormio was Lynched! He was..
Hello, Dormio. You are Ouji Kosaka from Mirai Nikki. KILL MAIN DESTROY. Your Apprentice Diary is the Neo Kosaka King Diary, which loudly proclaims all your future successes.
Your theme song is Me! Now? The Greatest!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j8jX3EaYzA&list=PL02D4515884702049)
Role: Mafia Conditional Vanilizor Backup Strongman
Abilities:
Basic Rights: You have 1 vote and the ability to speak during the day.
An Alliance (Passive) - NOPE
Kosaka PAWUNCH!! (Passive) - Your attacks are UNSTOPPABLE!!! Any player targetted by you for a kill will die. There are no exceptions.
Kosaka KICKU!!! (Active) - Each night you may attempt to punch the power out of a player by private messaging the ##KICK (player) command, as well as a description of a role. If your target has the role ability you describe, that power will be erased. (An example description of this power would be 'an ability that vanilizes another player.')
Kosaka Neo King Surprise!!! (Active) - Just because YOU!!! Are the greatest!!! Each night you may attempt to use a dead player's ability by private messaging the ##Target (player) command, as well as the ability you wish to use. You may not copy factional or killing abilities. You may only target a dead player once each.
You have 20 hours to PM me night actions.
Night End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130928T23&p0=250&msg=MNM+Night+5)
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okay serious post time, I don't think bardiche and dormio would run a double cc gambit as scum sooo im going to probably make a case on bt overnight (OH MAN, EVERYTHING COMES FULL CIRCLE); triple checking bard to make sure because wow
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actually what the hell I'm going to have all day tomorrow to make this case so screw that ill just work on it when the day starts.
finally i have the 24-hour mafia break ive wanted all this time.
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Day 6 MYLO Start: Kuusou Mesorogiwi
The four of you stand looking at each other over the wreckage of the city.
Despite the screams of the victims and the bodies of the guilty and innocent, here you are!
Now change the future! Become god!
No one has died!
Not voting: Everyone
With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.
There are 72 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20131001T23&p0=250&msg=Mirai+Nikki+Day+6)
WARNING WARNING GIANT DINOSAURS HAVE BEEN DESTROYING EVERYTHING! A MYLO IS FAST APPROACHING!
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well, obvious no-kill gambit is obvious
this is really lame because now I have to reparaphase everything i said in the qt THANKS BT
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- Anti-town roles have learned the townie technology of killing and using night actions at the same time.
before anyone brings up "bt used his jk he can't be scum blah blah"
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yeah since BT is def. a jailer he could have jailed and killed the same person
He also could have, actually succeeded in protecting who was assumably bard though
Anyway it doesn't really matter. I'm pretty sure I've come to my decision, and I doubt Bard's done a 180 here either, even if some parts of what he was saying last night don't really apply.
I'm going to finish out my reread juuuust to be safe though.
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Shadoweh are you going to post a "say hi to bard" in the qt for us or is he like, not there
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Serela you were also "pretty sure" about Bardiche yesterday. Like, I implore you to reread before you waffle yourself into something dumb. I don't know how I can say this better, but I'll be damned if I'm going to be a LYLO mislynch. Read my posts. Read BT's. Read them in the context of the game state. Read them in tandem with Paperblade and Dormio.
Now I'm going to make a pretty post!
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He's not in the QT. My action failed.
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Actually just ##Vote BT already because I'm pretty sure my logic for Bardiche not being scum is foolproof (aka why wouldn't a hypothetical scum!Bard vanillize BT if he knew his role?)
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Serela you were also "pretty sure" about Bardiche yesterday. Like, I implore you to reread before you waffle yourself into something dumb.
I said I'm already rereading, you silly goose ;_;
And I'm not even waffling! I said I made a decision I'm fairly sure on!
But, yeah, even though I wasn't waffling between Dorm/Bard at all I was totally wrong. It happens D:
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Serela don't.
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DO NOT VOTE BT
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Conq's action failing is null because scum!BT and town!BT are both capable of Jailing Conqueror for good reasons, btw.
OKAY BARD OKAY I'M JUST GONNA KEEP REREADING AND NOT VOTE.
Although seriously it takes 3 of us to lynch so scum can't quickhammer, it will take everyone but themselves to vote on someone to lynch them.
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I was busy finding Conq's Dormio interactions D1 ~*~interesting~*~ but not being able to come to a conclusion about them in either direction. Maybe it'll be easier as I read into later in the game.
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We have time today, and my logic from yesterday doesn't necessarily hold. Recall that BT earnestly claimed his Jailer targets and Dormio was a strongman who could kill every night.
BT, who did you target with your role? (Obv answer is obv but still.)
There's no reason to make a hasty decision today. Scum is between Conq and BT as far as I'm concerned and we have some time to discuss and make up our minds.
Serela why did Mimicking you fail do you not have any active portions??
Conq, why did you not invite me into your QT? Afraid I might have scrutinised what was writ there?
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Part 1:
I have no doubt BT is going to make a big fuss about how I was defending Dormio in the game thread and in the QT. Yeah, I admit it, I defended Dormio. Big whoop. I thought he was town. I had (I thought) pretty decent reasons for Dormio town which people didn't appear to disagree with. So yeah, I thought he was a scum mislynch especially after Paperblade flipped scum.
But look at how BT interacted with Dormio, and not just in the QT (which bard can't see because he's not in it but serela can summarize for him I guess). Sure, BT calls Dormio scum in the QT but for really flimsy reasons that wouldn't convince anyone, and the rest of the time he just assumes Dormio is scum because ???? And in the thread? We have stuff like:
"I'd look at Dormio for scum if we reach this far down."
"I need to think more about Dormio I think because initially I thought he was town for one of the reasons Conq brought up (why would he not just post a conclusion after some of his walls as scum?) but I can't really shoot down the cases on him or at least not comletely."
Yeah, bullshit. It's a light hedge in the case that Dormio flips scum but it's not an actual stance on him. I took a stance that I believed in on Dormio. What did BT do? Light distancing?
And then when LYLO comes he throws away this Dormio scumread he's been holding on to for a large portion of the game to go for a BardXConq pairing with logic that doesn't even make sense? Yeah.
(if we're going to go into dormio's opinion on bt, well he never has one and avoided my query to him about him once. yes, i know dormio never mentioned me before but that's probably because i was obvtown)
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Conq, why did you not invite me into your QT? Afraid I might have scrutinised what was writ there?
I did invite you to my QT. My action failed. I am not afraid of what is in the QT BECAUSE IT SUPPORTS THE CONCLUSION THAT I AM TOWN.
If you want stuff from the QT, ask me or Serela.
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Bard, mimicking me theoretically could give you "you know ____(whoever HW was) is confirmed as town" (lol) and access to my mason QT, but they aren't necessarily active powers and I don't know the wording of your role.
Since you get one-shot copies of roles I guess it might not work on mine because they can't really go away? Plus if it explicitly is only for active powers then yeah.
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A lot of this is just rephrasing what I just posted in the QT so.
Anyway just look at stuff like D4. BT says he defended CF7 in the QT. That's true, but for flimsy reasons and for all his "defense" when D4 came around and I made a play-based case on CF7 and he claimed, BT just spent the rest of the day poking at CF7's role and his reads on CF7 from earlier were seemingly forgotten.
Like, I've tried to be as proactive as I can in this game despite my limited time for mafia playing, BT is going to claim the opposite, but seriously, just read us both, or whatever.
I'm tired of talking. Bard/Serela, it's up to you now.
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This game has been so cruising until now, suddenly I have to actually think, it's weird.
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"why do I have two tabs of the thread open? Silly. *Closes the second one*"
two minutes later
"Okay let's get back to my rer-OH YEAHHHH oops ;_;"
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iluguise (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021020.html#msg1021020) (even though I read it like 10 minutes ago too I still giggle)
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Oh right I should repeat my ~*setup speculation*~ arguments from the QT because Bardiche brought it up.
1) Jailkeeper + Strongman = Roleblocker basically
2) Ascetic redirector + Strongman vanillizer + jailkeeper all on the scumteam seems weird until you realize what this setup is all about. It's a bunch of confirms and soft-confirms mixed in with a few random roles that may or may not do stuff. It's designed so that the loss of one scumteam member never means the scum is screwed by infinite compulsive vig or whatever. Townies who claim their roles will be manipulated by the scum roles. And judging from how all the scum so far have basically claimed their real role it's obvious that this setup wasn't meant to be broken by claims. It's what Shadoweh meant in the signups when she said dont break the setup and assume the other team is properly equipped. There is no powerhouse scum role or powerhouse town role. Everything is meant to fit together.
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We have time today, and my logic from yesterday doesn't necessarily hold.
And yeah, I obviously didn't expect you guys to quickvote me with me off the bad, that'd just leave a bad taste in my mouth even though I think it's obvious (it's just unsporting imo). I just expect you to make the right decision in the end.
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*off the bat
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although it would be nice if all lylos were as easy and painless as cota
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I did invite you to my QT. My action failed. I am not afraid of what is in the QT BECAUSE IT SUPPORTS THE CONCLUSION THAT I AM TOWN.
Sorry for sounding kinda pissy here, but I was kinda looking forward to seeing you in the QT because it'd save me the trouble of having to paraphrase what went down in there. The insinuation that I didn't want to invite you while also assuming that I was roleblocked by BT just really annoyed me.
I mean I know your'e basically confirmed town by now, but don't troll me pls. :ohdear:
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Actually I was gonna see what BT says but honestly, I'm starting to think it's pointless chiefly because of his lategame activity and what Conq says about roleblock makes some sense I guess! I kinda already figured during the night that there were 100% odds of the kill being blocked, unless BT is going to claim something silly like not targeting Conqueror or not having acted at all.
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hw if cf7 is scum I'm going to fold my arms and squint at you like a tiny asian woman
wouldn't this have been a nice end to d4
If I flip tonight, know that I hid behind the number of the person which is the same as the number of letters in the eighth word of the description of my first active ability.
so was this a complete joke or something
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For me, the sudden jump to Bard X Conq in LYLO despite apparently suspecting Dormio for much of the game (and in the QT, the night immediately preceding he basically assumed Dormio was scum and was trying to figure out who his "buddy" was) makes it pretty clear but I don't blame you if you want to wait.
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so was this a complete joke or something
Yeah I thought it was pretty clever on my part. :D Also amusing, but anyway!
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Ahaha so Paperblade really was superbussing Dormio, right
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For me, the sudden jump to Bard X Conq in LYLO despite apparently suspecting Dormio for much of the game (and in the QT, the night immediately preceding he basically assumed Dormio was scum and was trying to figure out who his "buddy" was) makes it pretty clear but I don't blame you if you want to wait.
And thereafter disappearing for the rest of the day, yes. That was pretty bad. It's also why I want to lynch him right now.
After telling Serela not to it feels horrible to actually want to vote now and have it all done and over with but.
Serela confirm please whether BT has been suspicious of Dormio in the QT.
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I'm going "yeah it's still probably BT" and I see gems like this at the end of D2
At this point I'm not even sure of Paperblade!scum anymore given his last post is basically just a huge ball of apathy. Don't know why he's bringing up SB "cc" of him right now when nothing about that has changed since D1. I think this apathy is contagious though and today's D2 has just seemed really lethargic on everyone's part. I need a flip. We all need a flip.
Random lynch at this stage would be hilarious but still awful. Let's just lynch the barely contributing lurker, get a goddamn flip, and get this game moving.
yeh can we lynch bt yet
Cut:Although it's true I haven't re-scrutinized the rest of the game yet, since up until just now I've only been thinking about Bard/Dormio and not the other people >>
OH YEAH THERE'S A QT I SHOULD BE READING ESPECIALLY SINCE THE FIRST HALF IS ENTIRELY BT AND CONQ
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Serela can also confirm that there's a point where BT said "SCUM IN THE QT" which feels really fake (and Dormio replies with something lulzy)
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dormio, why do you not have a single opinion on bard or bt in your entire iso?
I really should have paid attention to dormio's posts but I was like "I NEED TO ISO BT AND CONQ RIGHT?" (paperblade doesn't matter because he tunneled Dormio like a man on a mission)
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Step 2: Notice the huhwhat NK. Like, fuck. In what world would I want to kill the guy who was townreading me so strongly AND was fixated on scumreading Conq? I would've just killed someone like BBM.
scum do this so much (including me as scum) because it's always looks like a good thing to do but unless there's a REALLY good reason you shouldn't have wanted to kill them it really doesn't work
(this obviously wouldn't be a reason to vote BT by itself but I'm just pointing out single things I find interesting, I'm not trying to communicate a case here)
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That was a BT quote, it's 1am and I'm becoming sleepderp
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didn't huhwhat say something like if raikaria flips town dormio is scum at the end of d1 anyway? could have been for dormio's sake.
in any case he was a claimed mason and a strong voice so...
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well what I specifically mean is where they actually try to bring it up as some kind of point of defense ("If I was scum that means I killed ___ and I totally wouldn't do that as scum RIGHT GUYS?") but really 90% it only seems like a decent reason when you're the one saying it
But yeah HW was a claimed mason and also HW, so
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So Bard how do you feel about lynching BT
You've been implying you want to lynch Conq but you've only really communicated one tidbit why
I do still need to reread the first half of the QT which I've only skimmed in the past
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Conq wasn't present for the part of D5 where we were actually evaluating things (before dormio slipped up) but he said he had some IRL stuff and was gonna reread the thread and stuff in a bit
The thing is all that d5 stuff happened in a pretty small period of time, so it's totally understandable that by the time he had time it was just kind of already over
better get to reading the QT now
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iirc we aren't supposed to quote from QTs in this game, but paraphrasing (This might seem kinda reportery but Bard cannot see the QT so yes I kind of am sometimes)
early QT I see BT going all "well paperblade isn't that great but I'd rather push my scumreads? I don't think the laziness is bad because d1 was huge and overwhelming, very null read"
bt comments with an ugh on Dormio's posting priorities (CF7 -> Zak without mentioning talking about others) since you were asking Bard, don't see other dormio comments yet (They're mostly discussing Schezo, BT's d2 vote. Also a decent dose of SB, conq's vote)
BT is still scumhunting on Conq too in-QT, although I can't recall reading about any of the reverse (yes, my short-term memory, I know), BT also makes a big QT post of defending himself to conq
ROFL Conq's QT #91 (it's just comments on when people go "why aren't you dead?" and paraphrasing it isn't worth anything)
conq analyzes NNR's dormio case (I think we're d3 now? Timestamp says 9/20 I'm too lazy) and criticizes it for attacking dorm's playstyle. (Later:I'm stupid this is d2 still)
btw BT this song you linked is pretty nice, it's giving me backround while I read you as scum `-`
Okay with BBM in the QT BT tries to link to a few posts from Dorm/Paperblade to try to support "they aren't buddies" but then he doubts himself. It's followed by more Waffling On Dormio discussion.
I can't keep trying to analyze all this anymore. Besides it's really weird to try to relay parts to Bard that he might find interesting.
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BARD I WISH I COULD JUST LINK YOU THE QT AND GET MODKILLED FOR IT AND LET YOU READ IT YOURSELF
But that would be a terrible thing of me to do.
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BT is still scumhunting on Conq too in-QT, although I can't recall reading about any of the reverse (yes, my short-term memory, I know), BT also makes a big QT post of defending himself to conq
just going to comment on this real quick since bt brought this up as a point in his defense
after the initial back and forth where we talked about d1 i had a town read on bt from his postings in the qt so from then on I was mostly conversational with him like i would in a mason qt or whatever. i didnt really suspect bt until lylo and even then i entertained dormio x bard double bussing supreme (sorry bard!)
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9/23 bt says he's pretty sure dorm is scum
based on only bbm being QT added I guess that means it's still d3
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9/23 bt says he's pretty sure dorm is scum
yep, stuff like that and look at how much he mentioned scum!dormio in the thread?
nowhere? oh, okay.
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overall it feels like conq actually several times tries to get out of me why Dorm is so town (both in QT and thread)
BT on the other hand just kind of rolls with it and at some point d5 uses me reading Dorm as town in QT shenanigans as reasoning to handwave dormio off as town
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yeah can we lynch BT bard
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going to bed, probably will hammer bt when I wake up if bard decides to vote him
admittedly partially not just voting bt first because I don't want postgame discussion to start while I'm asleep.
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Obligatory "this is what I was making overnight" post but I have a lot more to address than that. Also yes, I ended up kidnapping Conq because every other decision would have risked a death.
Anyway the reason I think BT is scum is because in this post he claims to be venting about being a protective role often. His first post in this thread is actually something about the OP, and then a "furious confirmation", but no venting at all about being a protective role often.
Therefore, I submit that BT must have vented about it but somewhere else, in a private area, and he just slipped and did not fact-check his actual first post. (He does not, in fact, rant about it in the beginning of the game at all, so.)
Just because I said "vent" doesn't meant I ranted about it somewhere, it means I expressed displeasure somwhere and I was exactly referencing that one post. But that as an aside, you're missing the obvious. In your assumption I would be Scum Jailor, which would prompt a different reaction than Town Jailor, which is a town protective role and doesn't provide the completely different experience that you get with being scum. It should have been obvious that I meant town protective roles such as Town Jailor and Town Doctor.
So, further reading. Logic in this post, under point 2), relies on BT being a one-man scum-team. He is not. Like I said, it is also a convenient excuse for scum to make. "That would've been a bad target for me," quoth they. Ironically, this post should actually have pointed out how I could not be scum: It'd propose scum would have left a Town Jailer alive despite Kilga mimicking him N1 and, thus, revealing his role to any theoretical scumteams I had. Like seriously guys.
I ruled out BT x Conq one step beforehand just to make that point which tells you that I thought it wouldn't be worth it even with Kilga or Dormio as buddies. It's not a "convenient excuse", it's a significant indisputable fact. Finally, I did actually take that last point into consideration, it's just that I hadn't said it explicitly. You could tell that I was reconsidering at the end of that post because I asked Serela to reevaluate Dormio. (also this wasn't a definite point because scum had at least two strongman shots and ehhhh)
Further points of interest are this post where he decides Conq is Scum because Serela has a Townread on Dormio. Dormio did not prove his role (faulty logic). The rest isn't arguing on how I am scum but how Conq is scum.
Basically if you condense the paragraph and take out the fluff, it reads as:
"Bard is Scum.
Dormio is Town because Serela Townreads him.
Therefore, Conqueror is Scum."
Basically, BT set it up so that there is no scenario in which Dormio should be lynched, and we have already demonstrated that Dormio was lying about his role.
In the secret space I elaborated that I made a snap judgement that you were scum because: your role name didn't match your role, I expected scum to have a roleclop-like role and I thought Dormio's claim was more likely to be town overall, especially given how the town has little in the way of power action-wise. I thought both your play and Dormio's weren't indicative enough of alignment and found the former mentioned facts to be noteworthy. I also thought Bard/Conq made sense and such. The post focused on Conq and started with the assumption that he's scum because that's the exact assumption you ought to be making if you think only one of your other two suspects can be scum. Finally, Dormio did prove at least a portion of his role and it was a mistake of mine to think the truth wasn't a bit different. You probably would have seen me continuing to read shit as the day went on (as in, these weren't final opinions) because I didn't expect you to give scum the luxury of cutting the day short. BTW, it would make more sense for Dormio to hammer immediately if his buddy was in a good position (aka not mine).
Serela answered this whole QT infiltrating thing with "Shadoweh dropped the QT link in the masonry" so let's move on.
Conq is scum because he's not town. That's the short version, because honestly, nothing in this game made me go "hey, this is town!conq" and the only recent game this didn't happen in was You Can't Guess the Setup? Altough even in that game I could see a lot more analyzing and a lot less low level case making. His cases on Zak, SB, and Bard were all largely for bad play and I saw no significant working of the cogs beyond that; comparable to my Schezo and NNR opinions where I did actually analyze my target and try reasoning out their actions. His handling of Paper, by the way, suggests bussing: his pokes up to and including this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1022497.html#msg1022497) have largely been prods, but in the very next instance (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1022939.html#msg1022939) he changes to a direct and confident attack. The only difference is that the Paper wagon rose from 0 votes to 2 by that time. You can also see Conq coaching Dormio on ED1 if that's your thing.
Next up is a point Serela will have to back me up on because not everyone has secret space access. My argument is that Conq dropped me and linked me on N1 to "start over" - it's his suspicion on me that led to all of huhwhat, BBM and myself suspecting him so he likely saw it as toxic and wanted to move on. His argument is that he wanted to get a better read on me among other things, and he mentioned more than once that he was confident he would catch me if I was scum. What happened? I'll admit that I gave in to apathy plenty and misread him in there, but I did actually raise my paranoia and suspicions when they happened. The closest I could find from him doing the same is "bt are you scum", "bt pinky promise you're not scum" and "bt what came of your dormio reread" and there's no evidence of him trying to deduce my alignment through my posts there. If he thought I was town he also failed in bouncing off ideas unless they were relevant to him - he certainly argued against me when I brought up reasons for CF7 town and Dormio scum in there, but he never ended up helping me when I asked him about Schezo or NNR and happily let me sit on the former until he flipped.
We can't do without setup talk, of course. If Conq is town, town has both a masonry and a permanent linker with unlimited capacity, not to mention an absorber who could make another link. If I am scum, scum have two interfering utilities (hijacker, jailer) and two protective utilities (bulletproof vest via ascetic, jailer). That's TWO protective utilities to handle one theoretical compulsive vig (and one bomb, but jailer would rb the killer). The kicker is that the hijack stops kills too (I had to check the flip myself) which means they could have hijacked Yuno's compulsive kills (wtf). Along with unlimited strongman vanillizer backup it's way too strong - so town were given the jailer and scum the "vanilla" linker role.
##Vote Conq
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As should be obvious, don't vote anytime soon. That's fucking stupid.
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BT (1) Conqueror
Conqueror (1) BT
Not voting: Creepy Sereley, Bardiche
With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.
There are 67 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20131001T23&p0=250&msg=Mirai+Nikki+Day+6)
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Anyway it doesn't really matter. I'm pretty sure I've come to my decision, and I doubt Bard's done a 180 here either, even if some parts of what he was saying last night don't really apply.
I'm going to finish out my reread juuuust to be safe though.
Serela you were also "pretty sure" about Bardiche yesterday. Like, I implore you to reread before you waffle yourself into something dumb. I don't know how I can say this better, but I'll be damned if I'm going to be a LYLO mislynch. Read my posts. Read BT's. Read them in the context of the game state. Read them in tandem with Paperblade and Dormio.
Now I'm going to make a pretty post!
rofl
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I did invite you to my QT. My action failed. I am not afraid of what is in the QT BECAUSE IT SUPPORTS THE CONCLUSION THAT I AM TOWN.
I wanted him in the QT too for the same reasons so nice one? I actually changed my action mid-night just so we could have more people around and I was right in doing that.
(i originally targeted serela what is wrong with me)
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Part 1:
I have no doubt BT is going to make a big fuss about how I was defending Dormio in the game thread and in the QT. Yeah, I admit it, I defended Dormio. Big whoop. I thought he was town. I had (I thought) pretty decent reasons for Dormio town which people didn't appear to disagree with. So yeah, I thought he was a scum mislynch especially after Paperblade flipped scum.
But look at how BT interacted with Dormio, and not just in the QT (which bard can't see because he's not in it but serela can summarize for him I guess). Sure, BT calls Dormio scum in the QT but for really flimsy reasons that wouldn't convince anyone, and the rest of the time he just assumes Dormio is scum because ???? And in the thread? We have stuff like:
"I'd look at Dormio for scum if we reach this far down."
"I need to think more about Dormio I think because initially I thought he was town for one of the reasons Conq brought up (why would he not just post a conclusion after some of his walls as scum?) but I can't really shoot down the cases on him or at least not comletely."
Yeah, bullshit. It's a light hedge in the case that Dormio flips scum but it's not an actual stance on him. I took a stance that I believed in on Dormio. What did BT do? Light distancing?
And then when LYLO comes he throws away this Dormio scumread he's been holding on to for a large portion of the game to go for a BardXConq pairing with logic that doesn't even make sense? Yeah.
(if we're going to go into dormio's opinion on bt, well he never has one and avoided my query to him about him once. yes, i know dormio never mentioned me before but that's probably because i was obvtown)
Why the precaution? Guess I'll look deeper if that's what you think. I also think you made a mess here chronologically.
Anyway what should be the general argument wrt Dormio is that I did actually attempt to read Dormio while you had a nothing opinion on him on D1 and then established he was town and moved on. Strength of stance is really ??? in this case. I also explained why I changed my mind (see other post) and it was a rash decision on my part, and Serela coming in with DORMIO IS SUPER TOWN GUYS was going to influence my decision. It's not that striking when you take it all into account.
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And then it happens that most of the two pages is Conq harping on my disgusting flipflop and apparently that's enough to form a bias. COME ON GUYS. Read the rest of the game too. I could argue that there's no way I would've changed my opinion that sharply and without substance as scum and poof goes that argument.
The bias is bad enough that, SERELA, that LD2 Conq post you quoted is him going "i'm unsure BUT we all need a flip 2013, go go lynch" like how does that look town at all. Basically makes him look town while not actually unvoting, actually the opposite.
Gonna make actual posts lest I start making short rhetorical replies like Conqy.
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Anyway just look at stuff like D4. BT says he defended CF7 in the QT. That's true, but for flimsy reasons and for all his "defense" when D4 came around and I made a play-based case on CF7 and he claimed, BT just spent the rest of the day poking at CF7's role and his reads on CF7 from earlier were seemingly forgotten.
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1024400.html#msg1024400
This is where I started on CF7. Decide for yourself if it's fake. My read was forgotten because apathy is stupid, let's talk about this scummy role instead, no retort there. I don't think anyone is proud of their D4 here.
Serela can also confirm that there's a point where BT said "SCUM IN THE QT" which feels really fake (and Dormio replies with something lulzy)
It was a joke because I was going on about how the QT had no scum in it for a while. Of course it felt fake.
didn't huhwhat say something like if raikaria flips town dormio is scum at the end of d1 anyway? could have been for dormio's sake.
in any case he was a claimed mason and a strong voice so...
He didn't push Dormio anywhere near as hard as he pushed you. Your scumteam had the most motivation to kill huhwhat and if Dormio was bus fodder my scumteam would practically have no reason to.
In fact I suggest people read LD1. It's pretty much required reading. Link below.
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.360.html
And thereafter disappearing for the rest of the day, yes.
The rest of D5? I was sleeping?
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Meh. What I come out with from reading D6/QT is just "BT left a bunch of holes, let's exploit it all the way to 11". My endplay is really fucking sloppy for scum!me and I was scumhunting the whole way through so for Conq to just brush it off as "flimsy reasons that wouldn't convince anyone" is convenient. I wouldn't be able to fake most of this shit as scum. If I wanted to coast I would have at least stayed consistent instead of blatantly ignoring my own content and letting people point it out later - I would have been aware of that as scum but as town I just didn't care.
Conq's play is a lot more calculated. He takes every opportunity to use bad play to his advantage and lunges onto town!dormio points when they show up. It isn't apparent unless you think he's scum and then it's hard not to notice. His play just makes a lot more sense as scum. He barely had to waffle on his points and when he did it was intentional (Zak and SB because of role developments, Paper because of cred).
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Serela if you continue reading the QT just look at my posts from the pov of me just plopping in with whatever I had in mind at the time. The posts wouldn't have to be convincing because I just wanted to get my natural thoughts in there.
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Conq claiming that he just ended up reading me as town in the QT off the bat should be an indicator tbh. He probably didn't even want to try pushing me as scum because it was all too much. Or he wouldn't have tried painting me as scum in there in the first place because his objective was to ignore me for a while, which is what I think he was trying to do. Yeah, that works. -_-
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I also think I can safely say that Conq latched onto holes and coincidences because my actual non-apathetic play is just fine.
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(http://www.shrinemaiden.org/images/avatars/avatar_5565_1377785268.jpg)
Vote Conq.
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Hey Conq, you said in the QT that it's scummy that my role wasn't vanillized when Bard brought it up on D4, but how would Dormio do it? Bard never specified what my role was and the roleblocker query wasn't necessarily my action just because he linked it to my action. Here's a better question: why wasn't YOUR role vanillized? Dormio entered the QT on D4 and I knew about your role all along. I could have told him to shut you down on N4 so that no one else gets in and then say it was a gambit on your part if it came down to you vs me. It would have been an objectively good move - you claim that the QT was inconvenient for me, after all.
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BT why can't you make this easy for me </3
Waiting on Bard's opinions because I haven't gotten to see what he thinks yet still
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You could always tell me what you think right now so we can make progress. Bard said he thought I was the scum but that was before all this and who knows when he'll show up.
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I still only see a few small blips IIRC on why I would vote Conq but you're making me waffle about actually voting you. >:T
But I don't want to think about it right now and I'd really like to see what the other townie here has to say, too.
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But I don't want to think about it right now and I'd really like to see what the other townie here has to say, too.
aka THE PERSON I CAN RELY ON NOT TO LIE TO ME </3 DORMIO WHY
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Hey Conq, you said in the QT that it's scummy that my role wasn't vanillized when Bard brought it up on D4, but how would Dormio do it? Bard never specified what my role was and the roleblocker query wasn't necessarily my action just because he linked it to my action. Here's a better question: why wasn't YOUR role vanillized? Dormio entered the QT on D4 and I knew about your role all along. I could have told him to shut you down on N4 so that no one else gets in and then say it was a gambit on your part if it came down to you vs me. It would have been an objectively good move - you claim that the QT was inconvenient for me, after all.
In what world would scum prioritise turning a mostly harmless role into a vanilla (according to popular opinion) over screwing around with dead people's roles?
BT, can you explain why you wrote up the Bard x Conq scumteam dream stating that Dormio is Town because "Serela townreads him"?
These sort of theories are interesting (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1025372.html#msg1025372) as always, since the first line doesn't support that I could be scum but you raise it anyway in a context where most thought I was scum. (Kilga yoinked your power N1 and I softclaimed it D2, leaving no opportunity to have "clopped" (Wtf) Zakeri.)
I thought this was harmless at first (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1025339.html#msg1025339), but looking back it might also have been scum avoiding to claim because they weren't sure what I knew. Then there's the weird conclusion at the end here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1025333.html#msg1025333) about Dormio targeting himself to confirm his back-up. Using a role on yourself doesn't confirm anything, suggesting that this was the case only supports that "Dormio isn't lying", which is obviously helping scum. You were also suggesting that Dormio wouldn't need to claim (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1025311.html#msg1025311).
AND I WILL NOW STOP GAMING THE SETUP
LYNCH ME IMMEDIATELY IF I DON'T
We can't do without setup talk, of course. If Conq is town, town has both a masonry and a permanent linker with unlimited capacity, not to mention an absorber who could make another link. If I am scum, scum have two interfering utilities (hijacker, jailer) and two protective utilities (bulletproof vest via ascetic, jailer). That's TWO protective utilities to handle one theoretical compulsive vig (and one bomb, but jailer would rb the killer). The kicker is that the hijack stops kills too (I had to check the flip myself) which means they could have hijacked Yuno's compulsive kills (wtf). Along with unlimited strongman vanillizer backup it's way too strong - so town were given the jailer and scum the "vanilla" linker role.
##Vote: BT
##Unvote
Day 4 has a lot of waffling on CF7, interestingly no vote despite suggesting multiple times that his role could be scum?
Review Paperblade/Dormio (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1023196.html#msg1023196), but never reviews Dormio. Ever.
Yeah I'm pretty happy to lob off BT here.
Wait for me to come with some fun stuff.
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BARDICHE IS AN ASSHOLE
Let's have that as our opening here. I just had a revelation.
Serela, we do not need to think about this whatsoever.
I actually lied; I targeted BT last night. I am now a Jailer for the coming night. What does that mean? It means if we lynch BT now, I can Jail Conqueror tonight if the game doesn't end. Then we lynch him tomorrow.
Consider it. If BT is Town, then he correctly roleblocked Scum!Conqueror tonight evidencing that Conqueror cannot halt that block.
Shadoweh has announced today as MYLO. Considering we HAVE to lynch it's impossible to actually be in MYLO, but I assume she means that a non-zero chance exists wherein mislynching today will not end the game. In the scenario above, a 100% chance exists of a Day 7 if I act tonight. (Assuming Scum!Conq would not be a bus, as per action resolution chart.)
The one thing that actually stops me for now is Shadoweh clarifying the conditions of MYLO because we're not allowed to No Lynch.
@Mod: please clarify the conditions for MYLO.
If I'm right on the above let's turbo-lynch BT and then turbo-lynch Conqueror tomorrow. <(￣︶￣)>
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"Bard, why did you lie?" before anyone asks. It was just in case my target was going to claim something silly like not acting or whatever. I don't know what I was thinking since there's a zero percent chance of all surviving without a protective role being in play, but them's the apples.
So yeah. The only reason I wouldn't go Conq->BT is because I know for a fact both roles have components they claimed to have (given I copied both at some time), but BT has already proven his role functions on Conqueror. The Mafia redirector is dead, making a busser highly unlikely. And I don't want to get into scuffles of two jailers targeting each other, which resolves first?
Honestly, both Conq and BT give me a headache right now and I still think BT is the most likely scum, but so long as Shadi can confirm MYLO means the game need not end with a mislynch today, we should be fine with lynching both.
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rofl bard ilu
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Let's not act hasty before Shadoweh actually clarifies the conditions for MYLO because YOU NEVER KNOW SOME SILLY SHIT MIGHT BE IN PLAY.
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Considering we HAVE to lynch it's impossible to actually be in MYLO, but I assume she means that a non-zero chance exists wherein mislynching today will not end the game.
Even in a game where no-lynch is not allowed mylo/lylo can still be used for their normal definitions IMO, but that still doesn't disqualify the chance of pseudo-mylo, which mods don't all announce and occasionally might forget or something
since if you're a jailer tonight then yeah
Since we both think BT is more likely scum then Conq anyway I don't see much of a real reason in waiting for Shadoweh to clarify, though; unless it means you're going to go through them both with a fine-toothed comb more just in case or somethin'.
I'd prioritize asking "if we mislynch today will the game just immediately end or do we go through n6" over "definition of mylo", though
Shadoweh you can take that as me effectively asking this question plz
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In what world would scum prioritise turning a mostly harmless role into a vanilla (according to popular opinion) over screwing around with dead people's roles?
From what I'm getting off of Dormio's flip he had no problem using both abilities on the same night.
BT, can you explain why you wrote up the Bard x Conq scumteam dream stating that Dormio is Town because "Serela townreads him"?
That was one of the reasons. What do you need explained?
These sort of theories are interesting (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1025372.html#msg1025372) as always, since the first line doesn't support that I could be scum but you raise it anyway in a context where most thought I was scum. (Kilga yoinked your power N1 and I softclaimed it D2, leaving no opportunity to have "clopped" (Wtf) Zakeri.)
I didn't catch that at the time and thought you targeted me on N3. I brought it up because it did support it so I don't know what you're saying there.
I thought this was harmless at first (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1025339.html#msg1025339), but looking back it might also have been scum avoiding to claim because they weren't sure what I knew. Then there's the weird conclusion at the end here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1025333.html#msg1025333) about Dormio targeting himself to confirm his back-up. Using a role on yourself doesn't confirm anything, suggesting that this was the case only supports that "Dormio isn't lying", which is obviously helping scum. You were also suggesting that Dormio wouldn't need to claim (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1025311.html#msg1025311).
First link IS harmless because my reaction as town was to want to see what you knew without me helping by claiming. Second link: I did think he targeted himself so I said so. Third link was actually a hopeful test to see if you'd agree with it, which would have made you scum who got the information from the other buddy.
Day 4 has a lot of waffling on CF7, interestingly no vote despite suggesting multiple times that his role could be scum?
I wasn't sure. After that Conq said in the QT that CF7 probably made the whole Tenth thing up and I said "fuck it"because I'm an idiot.
Review Paperblade/Dormio (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1023196.html#msg1023196), but never reviews Dormio. Ever.
Also because I'm an idiot.
cut by fuck yes
granted i won't have the moral victory of winning a slapfight with conq but this sounds like it will work
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Like I'm 100% sure Conq failed his action because he HAD to link Bard tonight in case I targeted someone not him. The other option is that he didn't because he sent a kill on Bard but I blocked the kill so there.
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If Conq is scum he really worked hard for the win.
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Well yes he did. He always does actually. I was kind of sorry we got a second chance via Dormio but I wasn't about to waste it all the same.
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Yeah if Conq is scum then goddamn
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Meh. What I come out with from reading D6/QT is just "BT left a bunch of holes, let's exploit it all the way to 11". My endplay is really fucking sloppy for scum!me and I was scumhunting the whole way through so for Conq to just brush it off as "flimsy reasons that wouldn't convince anyone" is convenient. I wouldn't be able to fake most of this shit as scum. If I wanted to coast I would have at least stayed consistent instead of blatantly ignoring my own content and letting people point it out later - I would have been aware of that as scum but as town I just didn't care.
Conq's play is a lot more calculated. He takes every opportunity to use bad play to his advantage and lunges onto town!dormio points when they show up. It isn't apparent unless you think he's scum and then it's hard not to notice. His play just makes a lot more sense as scum. He barely had to waffle on his points and when he did it was intentional (Zak and SB because of role developments, Paper because of cred).
BT defense here is that his play is too sloppy to be scum.
As for the latter, I read this as "Conq looks like scum if you assume he's scum first and read everything through that lens." Seriously, man?
Have only skimmed the rest but anyway, it was good that I checked this just before I went off for the day. Bardiche's claim makes this easy for all you paranoid freaks. So, can we lynch BT now?
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I'm not scum, by the way. Am I really that hard to read? :(
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Both of them agreeing so readily to the plan. It's almost frightening.
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I know right?
But, regardless of Shadoweh's answer, we're probably lynching BT, aren't we?
Soooooooo ##Vote BT
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Yeah but I still want answers!!
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FTR I sent Shadoweh private questions as well the answers to which may point to Conq scum.
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I MEAN she will probably not answer but.
Also in the above I meant point to lynching Conq being the optimal / best move**
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If there's a role in play that could stop the game from ending then the game wouldn't end.
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Okay, as far as Shadoweh's answer goes:
I can roleblock BT and he cannot prevent that from happening with the information we currently have.
So uh. Basically. I kind of want to lynch Conq first and BT after given Conq's attitude today which just rubs me wrong. I'm pulling a Major Waffle here and not sure who should be lynched first.
If ScumBT, him agreeing to this plan auto-loses him the game. I deem it unlikely that a ScumBT would have both a Jailer AND an additional powerful role capable of withstanding a Jailer.
ScumConq, however, agreeing to this plan would still have a chance of winning IF his night role would permit him to somehow elude me.
Therefore the only Scum that would logically agree to lynching BT first and Conq second is Conq, since ScumBT agreeing to his lynch only immediately ends the game in Town's favour.
On the other hand I must admit that this isn't strictly logic and it is WIFOM.
BEING BARD IS HARD.
Serela, I defer decision-making here to you.
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WHAT-EVER.
Scum already had a redirecting ascetic and an infinite strongman vanillizer that sounds like he could maybe even be immune to roleblock when killing, what's the last one supposed to be, a commuting neighborizer/jailer?!
Oh my god if you're going to roleblock whichever we don't lynch then fine, we can lynch Conq.
##Vote Conq
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If Conq is scum who has some kind of power over people he's QT'd I'm gonna laugh.
Except if Conq is scum at all I'm just gonna whaaaat.
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##Vote: Conqueror
Okay. I want to believe.
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That's hammer, by the way. I have never liked being alive on LYLO and would prefer to be killed earlier next time.
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>Next time
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
As if.
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I just woke up from a nap. Poor Conq.
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Inb4 last scum is roleblock immune orz
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I just woke up from a nap. Poor Conq.
Can't be helped. You're the actual scum, huh.
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I bet the graveyard is facepalming hard at this point in time.
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yes this was the stupidest idea
I knew it was the stupidest idea
but
I did it anyway
I don't know why
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Since I don't do this kind of thing, no, I'm actually town.
Please stop doubting me. ;-; You can stop doubting me now.
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Of course. Let's string up BT tomorrow regardless. Even if the game ends.
Just to be sure.
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I briefly considered claiming Scum just to make everyone agonise, but then if Conq isn't actually Scum that might backfire.
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I did too, Bard, but I'm actually modconfirmed town so it'd look really stupid.
NOT THAT I'M COMPLAINING
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Because, you know, I haven't played Mafia in months I wanted to do some silly things. I didn't get to. I don't miss it. Good lord, reading the game again from start to finish after accidentally seeing Kilga's punning at the end of Day 1, then being asked if I wanted to replace in for him because ~famree issues~... I regret every decision I have made leading up to this point in time.
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I'd lynch me.
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Day 6 End: All Good Runs Must Come To An End
Conqueror and BT flailed at each other.
"I'm the townie! No I am! No it's me! Get him!"
Serela waffled in the corner, not knowing what to do! His best big headed friend would never betray him ever not like that Dormio did oh but what if BT really is a good person every time they spoke the words sounded so good and SHE JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO AAAAAAAA
Bardiche had had enough of this arguing, it was seriously cramping his style.
"Look you big-headed freak, just give me your diary so I can initiate my nazi takeover okay?"
Conqueror stared in horror as everyone surrounded him.
"Why don't you all understand why I have to win! I have to do it for the children FOR THE CHILDREN FOR THE CHILLLLDDDRRREEEENNNNNAAAAAAAAAUGH!"
sUDDENLY CONQUEROR'S GIANT HEAD FLOATED AWAY FROM HIS BODY AND STARTED EATING PEOPLE!
Bardiche calmly stuffed Serela head-first into Conqueror's giant head, choking the monster to death.
"Well, now that that's done, I'm leaving this town for good. Places to go, mafia to own, genocides to commit.."
BT was left alone, beside Serela's body, when a little girl popped up next to him.
"...Oh well, I guess you're the only one left. Welcome to godhood, kidnapper girl!
Conqueror (3) BT, Serela The Hun, Bardiche
Conqueror was lynched! He was the Mafia Nosy Neighbourizor Janitor!
Town wins! Setup and QT's incoming.
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15:26 <Serela> SHADOWEH HE HAMMERED GO FLIP
<Serela> I have to leave soon and I wanna know if the game is over yet D:
<Shadoweh> CONGRATULATIONS
<Shadoweh> YOU LOST
15:32 <Serela> SHHHHHHH
(http://i.imgur.com/G0euVw9.gif)
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Scum QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/setMpyZHwE5
Mason QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/HpaH4xxwvph9
Dead QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/TFuLKJiZzyu
Server Connected No Bardiche QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/ATXVKZxBgFrj
Very Important Person Mod QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/nuvgNXWyL88H
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Fuck you Shadoweh.
Feedback for Conqueror:
When you're up against me in LYLO, don't get complacent. BT put in way too goddamn much effort and agreed too readily to be Scum on its last legs trying to eke out victory of a near-hopeless situation.
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But you still had me worried!
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Shadoweh pls post Conq scum PM.
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I just had this nagging suspicion Conq was scum so when Bard suggested it I went with it. But the nagging suspicions were mostly for reasons I felt were "wrong" or unreliable D: Like, for example, from a role perspective.
And, well... BT did too many things that seemed town and didn't quite make sense from scum.
But I couldn't find reasons to ACTUALLY think Conq was scum and BT could at least look like scum, too. So... I was gonna lynch BT instead. D:
Conq you were town mvp ;_;
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Townies
Hello, Serious Bananas. You are Yukiteru Amano from Mirai Nikki. You are the main male protagonist of the series and the First diary user. You are known foryour crybaby personality. You also have a tendency to cower while in battle, usually relying on Yuno Gasai for protection. You lack confidence and are usually submissive to confrontation. Your Random Diary gives a detailed explanation of your surroundings up to ten minutes in the future, but never mentions what is happening to yourself.
Your theme song is You Are the Leading Role of Your Life, So Puff Out Your Chest and Walk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LWRmQZYfD8&list=PL02D4515884702049&index=12)
Role: Town Dependant Hider
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Hider
Abilities:
Basic Rights: You have 1 vote and the ability to speak during the day.
Cower (Active) - Hiding is really all you're good at. Every night, you will hide behind Yuno Gasai, who is confirmed to be in this game. While hiding you are considered an ineligible target for most night actions, which will simply fail. You do not know the identity or alignment of Yuno Gasai. If Yuno Gasai is eliminated, you will lose this ability.
Hello, Zakeri. You are Yuno Gasai from Mirai Nikki. You are the Second Diary Holder. You are a young girl with pink eyes and long pink hair with an ambiguous personality. Or so the wiki says. Actually you're a ruthless, cold and calculating psychopath who has little if any problem in using others for the sake of Yukiteru's survival. Your diary is the Yukiteru Diary, which tells you everything about Yukiteru in intervals of ten minutes. You are pretty much the best character ever.
Your theme song is RED Love (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdA9BtBXiMM&list=PL02D4515884702049)
This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI_fgwbmJg0) is not your theme song.
Role: Town Serial Killer
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Vigilante
Abilities:
Basic Rights: You have 1 vote and the ability to speak during the day.
Anything for Yuki (Active) - Yukiteru Amano's presence is the only thing that stops you from going insane. If Yukiteru Amano is eliminated, you will gain the ability each night to attempt to kill a player by private messaging the ##Kill (player) command. This kill is compulsive. If you do not submit a kill, the kill will be selected randomly. If Yukiteru Amano has not been eliminated, this ability does nothing.
Hello, Raikaria. You are Tsubaki Kasugano from Mirai Nikki. You are the Sixth Diary Holder. You are a pretty young woman with poor vision, having spent your entire life living in the Omekata temple. You are bitter, angry and emotional, hating the world, the Omekata religion and your life in the temple. Your story is NSFW. Your diary is the Clairvoyance Diary, appearing as a long green scroll. It predicts your future through the eyes of your followers.
Your theme song is Cries from Avici (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb6dkeFP3Bg&list=PL02D4515884702049)
Role: Town Gift Giver
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Inventor
Abilities:
Basic Rights: You have 1 vote and the ability to speak during the day.
Omekata's Wealth (Active) - The success of your temple has left you with items to bless the worthy with. Each night you may attempt to give a player an item by private messaging the ##Gift: (item) (player) command. You have three items. You may not gift yourself.
- Gift A: A one-shot roleblock.
- Gift B: A one-shot track.
- Gift C: A one-shot coroner.
Omekata's Blessing (Active) - You can also directly bestow one person with your pain. As a day action, you may attempt to make another player an insomniac by posting ##Curse (player) in the thread.
Hello, Huh what. You are Marco Ikusaba from Mirai Nikki. You and Ai Mikami are the Seventh Diary Holders. You come across as a typical street brawler, appearing quite cocky, energetic and always ready for a fight. Your hair is huge. You are devoted to Ai, having made a vow to protect her during your high school years together. Working together, you consider your love to be perfect and unbreakable. Your diary is the Exchange Diary, two mobile phones that record everything about Marco and Ai, focusing on each other.
Your theme song is 7th Heaven. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eIKiGNdHLs&list=PL02D4515884702049)
Role: Town Mason
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mason
Abilities:
Basic Rights: You have 1 vote and the ability to speak during the day.
Exchange Diary (Passive) - You know that Serela is Ai Mikami and is Town. You may talk in your Exchange Diary Quicktopic here (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/HpaH4xxwvph9) at any time.
Hello, Sereley. You are Ai Mikami from Mirai Nikki. You and Marco Ikusaba are the Seventh Diary Holders. You are a flirtacious person, but devoted to Marco after he befriended you and gave you a family after you were abandoned by your parents as a child. You do really cool knife tricks. Your diary is the Exchange Diary, two mobile phones that record everything about Marco and Ai, focusing on each other.
Your theme song is 7th Heaven. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eIKiGNdHLs&list=PL02D4515884702049)
Role: Town Mason
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mason
Abilities:
Basic Rights: You have 1 vote and the ability to speak during the day.
Exchange Diary (Passive) - You know that huh what jesus is Marco Ikusaba and is Town. You may talk in your Exchange Diary Quicktopic here (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/HpaH4xxwvph9) at any time.
Hello, NekoNekoRex. You are Minene Uryu from Mirai Nikki. You are the Ninth Diary Holder. You are a young woman in her twenties with dark purple hair and eyes. You lost your left eye during the Survival Game and now cover it with an eyepatch. You appear very psychotic and excitable when performing your acts of terrorism, more than willing to obliterate anyone who gets in your way. Your diary is the Escape Diary, which tells of the escape routes you must take if you're being tracked or losing a fight. You first appeared in a Gothic Lolita dress.
Your theme song is Briliant Mimicry (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkKLkO19iQk&list=PL02D4515884702049)
Crazy For You is not your theme song.
Role: Town Terrorist
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bomb
Abilities:
Basic Rights: You have 1 vote and the ability to speak during the day.
Because I'm a Terrorist! (Passive) - You've been avoiding the police since you were eight. Most investigative actions targetting you will fail.
C4 (Active) - You came to this game prepared with a bomb in your possession. Once at night, you may attempt to place the bomb by private messaging the ##Plant (player) command. If used on yourself, you will become a Town Bomb and your role will change to reflect so. If placed on another player, the bomb will stay on that player until triggered. The bomb is triggered by most actions, in which case it will kill the user of the first action it detects. If you die, the bomb will be triggered, killing whoever the bomb was placed on.
Hello, CF7. You are Hinata Hino from Mirai Nikki. You are the Tenth Diary Holder's daughter. You are a a bright, cheerful and tough girl who is very outgoing and athletic. You never let your friends down and support them unconditionally. Your father's diary is the Breeder Diary, which can predict the movements of your father's dogs and those of their targets. Your Apprentice Diary is the Friendship Diary, which is able to predict the future of all those you consider your friends.
Your theme is Never End. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7eTAV22s6Y&list=PL02D4515884702049) Your father doesn't have a theme song.
Role: Town Tree Stump
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tree_Stump
Abilities:
Basic Rights: You have 1 vote and the ability to speak during the day.
Holder by Proxy (Passive) - Although you're carrying his diary, its power is based on Karyuudo Tsukishima's life. Any kill attempts on you will kill your father instead, leaving you voteless. This power ceases functioning if there are 4 or less living players. This power will not activate if you are lynched.
Hello, Kilgamayan. You are John Balks from Mirai Nikki. You are the Eleventh Diary Holder. The Mayor of Sakurami City, you created the Future Diaries technology and suggested the concept of the survival game to Deus Ex Machina, starting the game. You wanted to give everyone in the city an Apprentice Diary to help humanity evolve to a higher level. Your diary is the Watcher Diary, an iPad like device that allows you to check the entries of every Diary User, be it a participant or an Apprentice Diary User.
Your theme song is Herrscher (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SshclCvxrao&list=PL02D4515884702049)
Role: Town Mimic
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Universal_Backup
Abilities:
Basic Rights: You have 1 vote and the ability to speak during the day.
Holon Supercomputer (Active) Your ultimate diary is able to tap into the powers of any other contestant. Each night you may attempt to target a player by private messaging the ##Mimic (player) command. If the person you targetted used an active night action, you will gain a one-shot copy of that action to use on the next night. You cannot copy factional abilities.
Hello, BigBangMeteor. You are Yomotsu Hirasaka from Mirai Nikki. You are the Twelfth Diary Holder. You are a zany man and one of the madder of the diary owners, with a cheery disposition, completely convinced you are a costumed fighter who follows the directions of your diary to the letter to perform your own brand of justice and heroics. Your mask is a giant white eyeball, despite the fact that you're blind. Your diary is the Justice Diary, taking the form of an audio recorder which vocally predicts any form of crime or injustice, whether it be murder to dropped litter.
Your theme is Justice Sentai Go 12th!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmu6HpTRFiM&list=PL02D4515884702049)
Role: Town Justice Voter
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Post_Restriction
Abilities:
Basic Rights: You have 1 vote and the ability to speak during the day.
Henshin Transform! (Active) - You are a SUPER HERO OF JUSTICE and must IDENTIFY and ELIMINATE all CRIME! Each night you may attempt to strangle the guilt out of a player by private messaging the ##JUSTICE (player) command, along with a 50 word message describing their crime, along with with an appropriate post restriction. The message will be posted at the beginning of the day and the player will receive the post restriction for the day. Every time the restriction is broken, they will receive a JUSTICE vote. If you fail to submit the ##JUSTICE command you will receive a Post Restriction from Hell. You may consult the moderator on what would be an acceptable post restriction.
Hello, Schezo. You are Akise Aru from Mirai Nikki. You are not a diary holder. You are very smart, using your intelligence to play games with people and gain the upper hand, by pretending to have a Future Diary and even tricking a Diary into showing a false future by tricking the user. You are Yukiteru's yaoi route. Your Apprentice Diary is the Detective Diary, which allows you to read the predictions of other Diary Holders as well as their actions.
Your theme song is Song of a Certain Truth. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-Fre48Rees&list=PL02D4515884702049)
Role: Town Cop
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Cop
Abilities:
Basic Rights: You have 1 vote and the ability to speak during the day.
The Observer (Active) - Your connections with the police allow you to investigate your target with absolute certainty. Each night you may attempt to determine the alignment of a player by private messaging the ##Cop (player) command. Once this action suceeds, it may not be used again.
Hello, BT. You are Mao Nonosaka from Mirai Nikki. You are not a diary holder. You are a very gentle-voiced, polite and perky person, unless someone threatens Hinata. You are willing to do anything for Hinata, even throwing yourself in front of a knife for her. Your Apprentice Diary is the Hinata Love Diary which focuses entirely on Hinata's actions.
You do not have a theme song.
Role: Town Kidnapper
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Jailkeeper
Abilities:
Basic Rights: You have 1 vote and the ability to speak during the day.
I will protect you! (Active) - Your only ability is to interfere with the actions of others. Each night you may attempt to kidnap someone by private messaging the ##Kidnap (player) command. If successful, you will keep your target safe from most kills, as well as block most actions your target attempts to use.
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Scumbags
Hello, Dormio. You are Ouji Kosaka from Mirai Nikki. You are not a diary holder. You are very self-centered, cocky, arrogant and obnoxious. You have a strong sense of pride and often praise your own efforts. This is of course because you are the greatest, and only the greatest deserves to win the Survival Game, unlike that weakling Yukiteru! Your Apprentice Diary is the Neo Kosaka King Diary, which loudly proclaims all your future successes.
Your theme song is Me! Now? The Greatest!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j8jX3EaYzA&list=PL02D4515884702049)
Role: Mafia Conditional Vanilizor Backup Strongman
Safeclaim: Town Vanilizor, Town Surprise Backup
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Vanillaiser
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Universal_Backup
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Strongman
Abilities:
Basic Rights: You have 1 vote and the ability to speak during the day.
An Alliance (Passive) - You have teamed up with Conqueror (Kamado Ueshita) and Paperblade (Reisuke Houjou) to win this game. For THE GREATEST. Your quicktopic is here: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/setMpyZHwE5
Kosaka PAWUNCH!! (Passive) - Your attacks are UNSTOPPABLE!!! Any player targetted by you for a kill will die. There are no exceptions.
Kosaka KICKU!!! (Active) - Each night you may attempt to punch the power out of a player by private messaging the ##KICK (player) command, as well as a description of a role. If your target has the role ability you describe, that power will be erased. (An example description of this power would be 'an ability that vanilizes another player.')
Kosaka Neo King Surprise!!! (Active) - Just because YOU!!! Are the greatest!!! Each night you may attempt to use a dead player's ability by private messaging the ##Target (player) command, as well as the ability you wish to use. You may not copy factional or killing abilities. You may only target a dead player once each.
Hello, Conqueror. You are Kamado Ueshita from Mirai Nikki. You are the Eighth Diary Holder. You are a portly woman with an oversized head, always wearing a chef's hat and an apron over your clothes. You had little to no interest in playing the game or becoming God, however, your children want you to win the game and will do anything to protect you. You can't say no to the children, can you? Your diary is the Blog Diary, which is a computer capable of creating the Apprentice Diaries for other people, mass producing an army of Diary Owners.
Your theme song is Lost Children (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-_QM06xwSo&list=PL02D4515884702049).
Role: Mafia Nosy Neighbourizor Janitor
Safeclaim: Town Connector
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Neighborizer
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Role_Cop
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Janitor
Abilities:
Basic Rights: You have 1 vote and the ability to speak during the day.
An Alliance (Passive) - You have teamed up with Dormio (Ouji Kosaka) and Paperblade (Reisuke Houjou) to win this game. For the children. Your quicktopic is here: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/setMpyZHwE5
Competent Minions (Passive) - Your children are careful to make sure their indescretions don't reach your eyes. Any player successfully killed by you will have their flip obscured, preventing players from learning anything about the player when they flip.
Apprentice Server (Active) - You are able to tap into any blog posted on your server and identify its contents. Each night you may attempt to neighbourize a player by private messaging the ##Connect (player) command. If this action suceeds, they will be added to a Server Connected Quicktopic.
Apprentice Server: Reading (Passive) - You will receive the role name and a summary of the ability of anyone successfully added to your Server Connected Quicktopic.
Hello, Paperblade. You are Reisuke Houjou from Mirai Nikki. You are the Fifth Diary Holder. To the unsuspecting eye, you appear to be just an ordinary toddler - innocent, bright, curious and polite. But beneath that you are really a sadistic, creepy and cruel person, and very intelligent for your age. You talk through hand puppets. You want to become a SUPER ELITE and show your parents that you are the smartest five year old ever to use deadly poisons. Your diary is the Hyper Vision Diary, which takes form of a colouring book. It makes three predictions a day during the main times of the day (morning, afternoon, evening).
Role: Mafia Ascetic Redirector
Safeclaim: Town Super Elite (Ascetic)
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Ascetic
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Redirector
Abilities:
Basic Rights: You have 1 vote and the ability to speak during the day.
An Alliance (Passive) - You have teamed up with Conqueror (Kamado Ueshita) and Dormio (Ouji Kosaka) to win this game. Because you can. Your quicktopic is here: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/setMpyZHwE5
Super Elite (Passive) - You are far too crafty for anyone to ever find you. You will reflexively roleblock any action taken against you. This includes killing roles. You will retain this ability when performing the nightkill.
Late Night Prediction (Active) - Your precise planning allows you to completely fool your target into acting as you wish. Each night you may attempt to redirect a target by private messaging the ##Redirect (player) to (player) command. You cannot redirect a player to yourself. A player will be informed if he is redirected.
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also since it's not there and I'm sure people want to know: If either of the masons were added to the neighbourhood, the link was going to be dropped into their QT, inviting them both. Dormio having access at all meant he was invited by proxy. Even the scum team had no idea what he was doing there.
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I don't understand the graveyard. I said THREE TIMES that the scumteam was Dormio + Conq, even clarifying at some point that it wasn't just speculation and yet somehow everyone in there was convinced that BT was scum. ?_?
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<Shadoweh> Actually Bard is describing your entire plan to him in frustration and it would be so funny to me if I didn't know how mad Bard was
Sometimes I'm so psychic it baffles even me.
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>[14:40:17] <Shadoweh> DON'T YOU HAVE CRAYONS TO GO EAT
It will never be forgotten Dormio
[12:50:24] <Shadoweh> It's more like their first target ceases to exist. So if you were redirected, I would be like YOU KILLED SERELA JUST LIKE YOU WANTED.
</3
[23:58:44] <Shadoweh> I won Diablo Mafia literally after I claimed scum, so anything's possible
</3 </3 </3
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[12:52] <noticks> but srsly
[12:52] <noticks> this fake pr 2 gud
[12:52] <noticks> everyone explains my actions for me
[12:52] <noticks> and because they're justifying my actions in my stead
[12:52] <noticks> it sounds more genuine to them because they're making up the actions
And this is why we do not explain others' actions, Serela.
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but
but bard
he literally couldn't even do it himself this time D:
WELL APART FROM WHERE HE WAS LYING
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Besides he had to do it to us himself, we only had to relay the info to you
Edit:What the fuck the scum QT n4 discussion ;_; (or well whenever the 24th was)
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Serela, I'm not saying you're bad at mafia, but the scumteam's plan was to pray to you for success.
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Anyway, with that I've done my favour to Kilgamayan and I consider there to be a debt between the two of us. I did not have much interest in playing this game when I replaced into it and I continue to not have a real interest in rejoining you guys for Mafia games. I'll be renewing the request to get banned from Rumia's Party Games.
Feedback on game:
I think Conqueror played a damn good game as scum, but got too complacent near the end which is why I refused to lynch BT earlier. BT put in a LOT of effort to try and convince us otherwise and he did not give off the vibe of scum on its last legs. Whereas your attitude was of someone who was sure of their win and laissez-faire as a result. I also consider you displayed excellently the strength of private QTs and hope future mods will take note of it. (And future players.)
Hilariously BT wrote posts directed at me in the QT, chiding me for stupidity or something. I CAN'T READ THAT DURING THE GAME OKAY AND THE THEORY REGARDING MEMORY WAS CORRECT.
BT played extremely well during LYLO and I commend him for it. Dormio Day was handled in a sub-optimal way as far as I care though, but I can hardly blame people for it since scum had astutely managed to manipulate and fool the entirety of Town at that point.
Dormio did well in raising my Dead End Flag. Unfortunately I am unlike Yukki and refuse to surrender when the Flag is risen. :V
Treestumps need to properly click the link provided with the role to check out what their role means. There exist no Town role that punishes Town, since those are Scum or ITP roles. (Or terrible mods.)
Serela, I don't like playing with you in a Mafia context. This much is probably clear, but I don't dislike you outside of it. Please try to let yourself get manipulated less, be less trusting of people in Mafia games. I guess you did fine towards the end for actually re-reading everything but we both focused on BT too much on the re-reads.
Everyone else, uh, gg.
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Serela, I'm not saying you're bad at mafia, but the scumteam's plan was to pray to you for success.
That feeling when scum purposefully let me live to lylo even when I'm modconfirmed town because of the likelihood I'll fulfill my history of almost always messing it up for my alignment
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Wow Dormio sucks to be you. You had five minutes of glorious quickhammer time :<
This is my karma coming back from when I was scumbuddies with bofh in lylo and he just had to hammer the townie, and he assumed he was dead because ?????? and never went to look at the thread and it ended in no-lynch (and I ended up losing to the SK after bofh imploded on a PGO who literally only could've activated on bofh's role)
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That feeling when scum purposefully let me live to lylo even when I'm modconfirmed town because of the likelihood I'll fulfill my history of almost always messing it up for my alignment
Honestly my responses feel like formalities because "this is polite" and "this is how I should be playing mafia, right?" but then I kinda feel bad because I extremely doubt I'll be persuaded into voting Dormio over Bard. My responses were bad as Bard just pointed out in a cut, because I was getting to the point of trying to justify things I had already stopped caring about.
There's so many things I could say to Bard about why I'd rather vote him but I'm tired and it feels like it's only for justifying my vote to look like a better player, and not actually to help secure the Bard lynch, which AFAI-Can-Tell is more likely even if I didn't possess a vote.
#Vote Bardiche
Might as well. `-`
(like, some of the things bard is saying in that post, such as dormio delegating his amount of play to "sheeping serela" d3 when in actuality Dormio wrote up a big case on NNR after doing that, is just a flat out lie, I mean seriously. So there are indeed ACTUAL REASONS for this.)
Serela we want you to put this one in your sig.
This game has been so cruising until now, suddenly I have to actually think, it's weird.
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I could have won, if it weren't for you meddling
kidsticks!
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I wasn't being complacent, I literally had to run out the door; otherwise I would have spent more time fighting back. I would have lost anyway because I would have argued that Bardiche was a mafia rolecop who couldn't nightkill or something.
Anyway, yeah.
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Stop saying roleclop, it's r?ole?c?op.
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In serious news, I'm debating whether I need a short break from mafia.
While I'd really like to blame D1 being OBSCENELY LONG (Fuck that shit, just as a few people said you do not need to write that much in D1, don't make giant comprehensive D1 cases like you're actually doing something really important, just treat d1 like it's d1) it's not like I haven't had similar issues in recent past in the mafia games and tl;dr I've been having some apathy issues while trying to play lately.
Now, in this game I ended up being heavily supported by being confirmed town and EVERYONE IMMEDIATELY AGREEING ON LYNCHES ALL THE TIME (so cases weren't even needed), and then of course by the time lylo rolls around I was pretty into things, but yeah I'm worried about /in'ing to the next game and then having issues trying to play all over again. :T
Also Bard we'd love to but avoiding word filters is :effort:
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*would have had to argue after the game didn't end because scum!bardiche would have just nightkilled someone but yeah
I hate being in lylo as scum because people always accuse me of being inactive when I'm literally not there. :V
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Entire scum team literally V/LA during LYLO.
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Conq
<Keine-tan> Sent 1 week, 2 days, 14 hours, and 49 minutes ago: <Conq> why did you make a cookie clicker thread i hate you
BECAUSE REVENGE FOR LYING TO ME ABOUT BEING TOWN
Anyway I was V/LA for like half the game so.
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SPOILER: I never read Day 1.
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DOUBLE SPOILER: I also actually never read Day 2 or Day 3 much.
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SPOILER I expected people to actually read my cases instead of going tl;dr.
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Edit:What the fuck the scum QT n4 discussion ;_; (or well whenever the 24th was)
WE COULD HAVE BECOME GODS.
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Dormio I read your cases and look what happened.
It's okay Serela, you weren't the only one being apathetic as fuck though you probably should have been less quick on the trigger finger with both endgame choices. You were totally going to vote me before I got there if it weren't for Bard, huh?
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Wow, I really, really thought that town would lose this game!
I knew that Dormio and Conqueror were scum since D1, and I kind of wanted to replace in (TwT)
To sum up, Dormio attacked Raikaria for gameplay style reasons, which he recognized, and many other weak points that just seemed like scum pushing a weak target because it's easy. However, the reason why I thought that was definitely coming from scum and not Dormio being stupid was something he said:
"I mean, I want to say it's scummy, but I just can't read if Serela is motivated by laziness or actual scumminess.
If the push came to the shove, I would say that Serela is scummy, but I'd rather vote for Raikaria first."
This basically meant that it was fine for him that Serela was doing scummy things because of gameplay style, while the same wasn't true for Raikaria. The difference? Raikaria had a wagon and Serela didn't.
Conqueror defended Dormio when people suspected him because of playerstyle, when Dormio's case was basically entirely based on playerstyle and weak points... however, he didn't defend Raikaria... and there were also some other parts where he treated Dormio different from the rest. After D1 he spent a whole lot of time defending Dormio, here are some examples:
"unless paperblade really likes to superbus as scum (can someone with paperblade meta back me up on this) im pretty sure dormio is town now"
This is specially relevant because it was practically the first thing he said in his N3 posts.
"stop hating on dormio for writing like dormio when he's given out more relevant content today than you have. yes, i went there."
As game went by, people suspecting Dormio kept dying and Conqueror used the nightalk less every night, which just felt like a consequence of not being voted at all. In addition he wasn't suspected at all, and given the nightalk ability he had it was almost impossible for him not to get killed given that he's also a good player.
Both Dormio and Conqueror kind of scumslipped, by the way:
Dormio said the following when NNR said he was a bomb: "Though I'm more than willing to trade my life for a scum lynch if that's what people want."
Here he assumed that NNR would have the role he claimed. He was supposed to think he was scum and lying about that, yet he assumed that the role was true.
Conqueror said something like this on his first post on N1: "bla bla bla my first active ability"
Yet he just claimed to have one ability afterwards. I know he said it was a jokepost (I don't think it was), but the contradiction stands.
Also here's something he said that was extremely scummy: "I am not afraid of what is in the QT BECAUSE IT SUPPORTS THE CONCLUSION THAT I AM TOWN."
I really doubt town would word this sentence like this. He just was too sincere with that sentence. I don't really feel like explaining this better, but I think you can get the idea.
The only moment when I doubted was D5, when I assumed that I wouldn't get to replace in and talked about the game with Vhaltz. He thought Bardiche was scum and I kind of trust his judgment over mine even if I try not to. Fuck you Vhaltz (?)
Anyways, I enjoyed following this game! And now I want to play but I definitely can't... </3
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I do want to apologize to everyone because I gave zero fucks about this game after everyone prod dodged day 2 and I basically suicided.
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Man, this game. Mitsuki and I were heavily convinced that Conq was scum if it means anything BBM, you're not crazy :V
It was legit sad when Hw died, he was doing great this game. His gutreads towards the end of D1 were pretty much my own as I spectated, plus he pointed out Conq as scum which I hadn't noticed and agreed with upon checking.
I was prepared to replace in whenever Kilga had to go to that con, but never called to do so because I was pretty convinced he was scum after the 180? he pulled on CF7. He never even explained why it was scummy, he just pointed out it was bad. So from that point on I also thought Bard was scum over Dormio after he replaced in :derp:
I was also oddly drawn to reading Bard's posts even when skimming and even though I thought he was scum. For some reason I just kinda like reading them apparently. It's been quite a while since I last read you play so I hope you don't stop playing now :(
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[9:38:39 PM] Tumalu Etc.: holy shit 3 pages
[9:38:46 PM] Tumalu Etc.: 16page d1
[9:38:53 PM] Tumalu Etc.: 16 page FOURTY EIGHT HOUR D1
[9:39:30 PM] Tumalu Etc.: if this was a 72 hour d1 we'd need to make a whole new thread starting at d2 (and I bet we'd never need another thread because ~*~motk~*~)
100%
"so let's see, out of NNR, Bard, BT, and Schezo, half are probably scum"
Story of this game.
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It's been quite a while since I last read you play
I only replaced in as a favour to Kilgamayan so he could focus on more important things. I don't plan to continue playing, sorry to disappoint.
:V Glad at least someone likes reading my posts, I sometimes feel as though everyone hates doing it.
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[10:57:51] <Michiru_Dormushima> i have
[10:57:56] <Michiru_Dormushima> revolutionary new strategy
[10:58:02] <Michiru_Dormushima> we
[10:58:05] <Michiru_Dormushima> hard defend each other
[10:58:13] <Michiru_Dormushima> it's perfect
[10:58:16] <Michiru_Dormushima> nobody will suspect it
You're forcing me to draw even more parallels to Disgaea seriously.
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SPOILER: I never read Day 1.
High-Five
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By the way, did we ever find out what the post restriction from hell really was?
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I was prepared to replace in whenever Kilga had to go to that con, but never called to do so because I was pretty convinced he was scum after the 180? he pulled on CF7. He never even explained why it was scummy, he just pointed out it was bad. So from that point on I also thought Bard was scum over Dormio after he replaced in :derp:
If it helps, Prims made me realize that, which is why I switched back to Raikaria.
All of my reads were super rushed because of lack of time. My apologies for being a detriment to my team for as long as I was in the game. At least my better half pulled through.
And thank you very much, Bard. I truly appreciated it.
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By the way, did we ever find out what the post restriction from hell really was?
I'm very disapointed in Conqueror and Bardiche for not being able to answer this question.
Post Restriction from Hell:
- You must never end a sentence with a preposition.
- You may not include the letter combination "scum" in any way, shape or form. This includes "scummy", "scum-like" and "S c U m" or any other variations.
- You may not refer to people by their common names. e.g. Pesco may not be called Pesco. You may break this restriction only when voting.
- You may not use abbreviations or contractions. All words must be typed out in full.
- You may use neither commas nor colons nor dashes.
- You may not use capitals anywhere in your post.
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Ahahahaha. I see Shadoweh is still bitter about that.
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Man, this game. Mitsuki and I were heavily convinced that Conq was scum if it means anything BBM, you're not crazy :V
No, like, I'd directly asked Paperblade who the scumteam was, and my posts in the graveyard heavily implied that I knew the scumteam for certainty.
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Look man, I get what you're saying, but BT and Bard are probably the scum okay?
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I don't get why you want to spoil the graveyard.
That's pretty lame, you know.
I mean, you're supposed to have fun playing backseat mafia in there, right?
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Backseat mafia is only fun when you're informed, so that you can rage at people doing things that you'd also be doing if you weren't informed.
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I'm just going to note you down as a lamer.
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As game went by, people suspecting Dormio kept dying and Conqueror used the nightalk less every night, which just felt like a consequence of not being voted at all. In addition he wasn't suspected at all, and given the nightalk ability he had it was almost impossible for him not to get killed given that he's also a good player.
Conqueror said something like this on his first post on N1: "bla bla bla my first active ability"
Yet he just claimed to have one ability afterwards. I know he said it was a jokepost (I don't think it was), but the contradiction stands.
Also here's something he said that was extremely scummy: "I am not afraid of what is in the QT BECAUSE IT SUPPORTS THE CONCLUSION THAT I AM TOWN."
I really doubt town would word this sentence like this. He just was too sincere with that sentence. I don't really feel like explaining this better, but I think you can get the idea.
1) Too many confirmed townies for me to be a good kill. I used the nighttalk less every night because fuck that, I posted more at night than half the town did during the day.
2) That was a joke hider crumb. I have no idea how it could be seen otherwise?
3) I would have said something like that as town. ;-; I was just really annoyed at Bardiche at that point.
The scummiest thing I did in this game was defend Dormio with bad meta consistently. Huhwhat's case on me for AtE was still shit, but him catching me for "not posting like town!Conq" was probably legit. Kind of annoyed I got lynched over BT because "agreeing to the plan means I must be scum" and also not being able to post when I was asleep (seriously guys, timezones exist) but I claim moral victory because otherwise people wanted to lynch BT.
Anyway, my avatar expresses my reaction to everything that happened in this game.
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Conq that doesn't look anything like your reaction to my suggestion that we should step up our play to an incomprehensibly higher level.
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We already have Dormio.
The way we didn't vanillize BT jailkeeper after figuring out his role N1 was HIGH TIER PLAY :V
Anyway, gg. Probably taking a break from mafia for a while because it annoys me when scum put more effort in the game than town.
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also getting insomniac on top of being scum neighborizer was a pain lemme just tell you
huhwhat i understand your pain as li shang now
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And you're satisfied with ~high~ tier?
This is why you're a coward, Conq.
It's okay Conq, let's go on hiatus together.
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Man, Conq, you don't know how much I wanted your infinite neighbourizor.
Ah well, at least I built myself a convincing fakeclaim.
Too convincing, since I forgot my actual role in lieu of the fakeclaim.
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A VOWEL, A VOWEL
MY VICTORY FOR A VOWEL
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I'm not salty, just amused.
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WAS RUNNING OUT THE DOOR TO EMBRACE THE TICKS, DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO PROOF READ POST.
I was super amused all throughout this game, except for the thing with NNR.
I was definitely not amused then and I was reminded of why I said in the past that I don't want to play mafia with NNR.
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The scummiest thing I did in this game was defend Dormio with bad meta consistently. Huhwhat's case on me for AtE was still shit, but him catching me for "not posting like town!Conq" was probably legit. Kind of annoyed I got lynched over BT because "agreeing to the plan means I must be scum" and also not being able to post when I was asleep (seriously guys, timezones exist) but I claim moral victory because otherwise people wanted to lynch BT.
I don't think that was it. Bard pointed out that you came into D6 with the mindset of #point #at #shit #and #win when you could have achieved the same by making a more organized case. The evidence was definitely there if I were scum so you'd have no reason to be so heated as town when lynching correctly would have been easy.
You also kind of misrepped one of my later posts but I didn't know if it was intentional. Ignoring your own content is harder to accomplish as scum because you're self-aware as scum, so it's not just my meta being different. Same thing goes for you - specifically I think the "he barely had to waffle on anything" was a good point and shows what I meant when I said your game was calculated. IDK if you don't actually "calculate" as scum but you get what I mean.
You can have the moral victory but at least I felt like I did my best in LYLO so there's that.
The :V face accurately displays my reaction to most of this.
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Nah, that's how I play LYLO as town. It's hard to tell because I'm rarely in LYLO as town but you can see it in games like Cavalier of the Abyss. As in, FMPOV there was only one person who could be scum and that's how I just approach that situation.
You did play LYLO really well, I agree. As for not waffling...well it's true that I waffle more as town than as scum so fair enough. :V Clearly this is a part of my scumgame I have to improve on.
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I wonder what I should do next time I roll scum.
I've already tried a bunch of different post restrictions, hard bussing, hard defending, lurking, and this game I tried just letting all of my potential thoughts on why someone was scummy flow out.
Maybe I should try to imitate my town apathy next time.
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Claim vig.
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You just reminded me of Bard in Zombies.
I need to try to top that one day.
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Try imitating a past scum game and see if people catch on.
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Wow suddenly nobody wants to play mafia anymore.
I was gonna ask you guys if anybody wanted to play a game on MS with Dan and Luke.
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I could probably do it. MS games require a lot less time investment on average.
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Deadlines for MS games are way too long for my liking. Plus people coming in to post 2 lines once every 2/3 days gets tiring after a while.
I might be convinced if you get enough people together though!
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I, personally, can't stand MS deadlines so yeah.
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Is the deadline thing at MS imposed and enforced or is it up to the mod?
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Up to the mod but 336 hour days/72 hour nights is generally accepted as the norm there.
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I'm pretty sure it's up to the mod, but it's sorta a site culture thing. Like people expect two week deadlines because most of the players are there for that kind of time commitment.
dammit dormio stop cutting me
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It's up to the mod, but they all like the two-three weeks because they like the longer style. I think micros sometimes have a shorter deadline.
Also I'm already playing a game with Dan on MS and more then one game does things to me @_@
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You guys are both losing out in speed to the guy on ~country~ speed internet that's also crunching numbers.
Step it up.
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Try imitating a past scum game and see if people catch on.
Recycling is lame and boring.
Have ta keep doin' something new, ya know?
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Recycling is lame and boring.
Have ta keep doin' something new, ya know?
That's exactly why, it's new and people won't expect it
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But I refuse!
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Ooookay. About Tree Stump and the like. I've played enough crazy mafia games with imbalanced setups (14 people setup. 3 mafiascums 1 SK and 4 MASONS) with roles that punish town for town actions to actually think that my role is detrimental to town. So i thought that it might be true. Also i actually asked Shadoweh about Tenth. And she said that i don't know anything about Tenth. She could have said that Tenth doesn't exist and all that was just a flavor text.
Actually game was quite fun. Scum team was quite good and i actually was hoping that Conq would win. =)
Also after my lynch i was pretty sure that it was Dormio/Conq. =)
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I'm sorry okay ;_; If you had had the role you thought you had it would have been something like Bodyguard Tree Stump. For what you thought you had I thought you handled it well and that your lynch was brain-switched-off mode. Blame the brainwashing waves from the QT's.
Also I forgot to add it before, the Mod QT with all the night actions is now with all the other QT's.
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1) Too many confirmed townies for me to be a good kill. I used the nighttalk less every night because fuck that, I posted more at night than half the town did during the day.
2) That was a joke hider crumb. I have no idea how it could be seen otherwise?
3) I would have said something like that as town. ;-; I was just really annoyed at Bardiche at that point.
1) I think you were a good kill anyways and obviously better than Zakeri, who was supposed to confirm another townie when he died by his role PM. I guess the nightalk use can be understood that way too but I'm quite sure that as town you would have used it more than you have anyways, specially before LyLo.
2) I'm not talking about the joke, I'm talking about the fact that you said "first active ability", implying there were more than one and claiming only one afterwards. But then I checked your role PM and you just have one active ability... I don't understand (@A@)
3) I understand you'd have been angry and such at him, but what I mean is that you'd have chosen different words to give the sentence a different meaning, or so I think. (I don't know how to explain this better without wasting my whole afternoon on that, sorry)
But I agree, for me this feels more like a scum victory than like a town victory.
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haven't even read postgame yet and probably won't have time to for a while but LMAO I WAS RIGHT ABOUT THAT D1 CONQ READ 8) 8) GET REKT
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also getting insomniac on top of being scum neighborizer was a pain lemme just tell you
huhwhat i understand your pain as li shang now
pretending to be town in QTs as li shang was really easy :/ what wasn't easy was having both my buddies dead by n2 in a role madness game with a flipped townie counterclaiming me. god damn it serela
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also conq the AtE by itself wasn't scummy, but the emotion was really disproportionate to what I was trying to say and also ignored why I thought BT was town according to my post. it was obvious you were faking it
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also conq the AtE by itself wasn't scummy, but the emotion was really disproportionate to what I was trying to say and also ignored why I thought BT was town according to my post. it was obvious you were faking it
This reminds me that I was right about both Conq and Dormio doing "weird stuff that only scum doesTM." back on day one, but eventually dropped both in favor of rereads and cases. Man...
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I was townreading dormio for really stupid wifom reasons until the Raikaria flip, don't feel bad
btw shout-out to Shadoweh for the set-up, because I liked it a lot even though I died D1 :>
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it was obvious you were faking it
that's the thing though. i wasn't faking it :v
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edit: although you're right in that i probably wouldn't have reacted as badly as town
as scum the pressure just gets to me
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I liked the setup too although I was expecting third parties everywhere given the nature of the flavour.
I thought BT was SK while I was trying to lynch him on D1 though I obviously couldn't actually say that (but his play totally fit one perfectly).
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Yes, the reason you were pinged for that wasn't that it was fake, but rather that if you were town it would have to have been fake.
Also I'm always the SK. especially when it seems more likely that somebody else is.
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Shit I forgot I lost that bet about Bard being Conq's scumbuddy instead of Dormio.
Conq is mai waifu.
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The best part of this game is I knew Dormio was scum because he talked on teamspeak about wanting to hammer NNR and how schezo did it.
There was basically no chance schezo didn't accidentally cause the bomb to miss scum.
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You mean other than the fact that I flat out told the people on teamspeak that I was scum on several occasions?
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You mean other than the fact that I flat out told the people on teamspeak that I was scum on several occasions?
Well, I wasn't around for that so uh :v
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lol i read the game
that d5 was painful. i was going to make a jab at bard's expense for saying "fuck mafia" then going to sign up for a sf game but now i just don't know
except by posting this i'm doing it anyway only passive-aggressively I GUESS
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Bard's secretly the one-man broadcasting team of the big hit "Bard Travels the Scummy World".
https://i.imgur.com/25IYJRa.png