Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Beyond the Border~ => Rumia's Party Games => Mystia's Stored Games => Topic started by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on October 18, 2012, 04:09:57 AM
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Modded by me and reviewed by K4U in like five minutes!
.::RULES::.
- I'm the mod and my word is final. Don't do anything that you expect will annoy me, even if it's not in the rules. This includes looking for loopholes. If you're modkilled, you lose unless I feel like giving you grace due to the circumstances.
- No Outside Contact, keep the talking to the game thread unless your role allows otherwise.
- Don't directly intefere with the game if you're dead or not playing - if you're going to talk to other players or post in-thread I expect everything you say to have no game relevance whatsoever.
- Don't directly quote communications with the mod unless given permission.
- Going 24 hours without a post nets you a prod. Going 48 hours without a post or receiving three prods will result in a modkill.
- Don't screenshot things.
- Don't edit your posts.
- Don't post after hammer.
- Have good integrity. This includes not being a dick.
- Play to win.
.::SET-UP INFORMATION::.
- 48 hour days, 24 hour nights. A player must be at L-1 to be a candidate for a deadline lynch. A tie or No Lynch results in universal loss.
- This game features 9 town-aligned players versus 3 mafia-aligned players. Mafia may opt not to kill once. LYLO will be announced, but variations (eg. Potential LYLO) will just be stated as LYLO.
- This set-up is explicitly not bastard.
- At least six players have no special abilities beyond those typical for their faction.
- The following roles have been declared Super Lame and are guaranteed to not be in the set-up: anything that results in a lying flip, any role that requires a RNG for the mod to process, any role that does not work as described in the player's role PM, any Cop variant other than sane, any role that can result in a change in alignment
- Players will know if their action fails or if they are redirected.
.::SAMPLE ROLE PM::.
You are a heron who has a long neck and picks fish out of the water w/ its beak (http://www.flickr.com/photos/79264434@N00/264616272/sizes/z/in/photostream/). You have no abilities beyond your word and your vote, as you are a Vanilla Townie. You win when all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one (1) townie remains. Best of luck!
.::PLAYERLIST::.
Alive
- 1. Affinity
- 4. Hero999
- 10. Serela
- 11. Shadoweh
Plucked
- 6. NekoNekoRex, Mafia Goon, lynched Day 1
- 7. Raikaria, Town Rolecop, killed Night 1
- 12. Zakeri, Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 2
- 8. Polaris, Town Jailkeeper, killed Night 2
- 9. PX, Mafia 1-Shot Rolecop, lynched Day 3
- 3. Dormio, Town Reflexive Friendly Neighbor, killed Night 3
- 5. I have no name, Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 4
- 2. Conqueror, Vanilla Townie, killed Night 4
.::LINKS::.
- End of Day 1 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901527.html#msg901527)
- Start of Day 2 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901875.html#msg901875)
- End of Day 2 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg902741.html#msg902741)
- Start of Day 3 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg903115.html#msg903115)
- End of Day 3 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg903959.html#msg903959)
- Start of Day 4 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg904336.html#msg904336)
- End of Day 4 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg904877.html#msg904877)
- Start of Day 5 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg905308.html#msg905308)
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Sending out Role PMs, confirm in-thread once you receive yours.
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I should've broken out my Polly the parrot avatar for this occasion.
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mrifnoc/
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BEGAWK
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はははは、 あはははは！
ねえ、怒ってる？ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt_mlUnvOLY)
...I really need to stop with my idols, but watching them beat the crap out of each other is so entertaining despite how bad the acting and fake fighting is >_<
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/confirm
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confirm!
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hey guyz im ready to play the mafias
im pretty stoked; hope we have a good game
when can we start? (:
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What happened to the break I was supposed to have, anyway?
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- Going 24 hours with a post nets you a prod.
（￣□￣；）
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gonna sleep, don't start the game even if everybody confirms until i officially give the ok tomorrow
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confirm
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/chili con firme
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/HOOT
Aka: Confirm
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/Confirm, too blind for this.
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(http://i.imgur.com/UdfDK.jpg)
It is now Day 1.
You have 50 hours and 16 minutes to decide on a lynch. With 12 alive, it takes 7 to hammer.
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##Vote PX
Because PX
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/HOOT
This is clearly a scum confirmation.
##Vote Raikaria
##Unvote
##Vote Shadoweh
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If you divide a Pidgeon by a Sparrow and then multiply it by a Falcon you get something as crazy as Serela.
##Vote Serela
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Hear ye! I propose a simple solution to thy unrestrained problems. Place thy votes upon the knave known Serela. Refusal to my proposition shall be dealt with a swift meeting of my gauntlet and thy face. Such as this craven known as Hero.
##Vote Hero999
Oh good Lord, it seems as though some fellow wished to place a vote upon thy fair maiden. He too shalt be dealt with.
##Vote Dormio
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Rule addendum: the only roleplaying allowed in this game is replacing all your words with "chirp", "caw" or "squawk"
edit: or hoot i guess, i apologize to any owls who felt oppressed by this post
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Rule addendum: the only roleplaying allowed in this game is replacing all your words with "chirp", "caw" or "squawk"
edit: or hoot i guess, i apologize to any owls who felt oppressed by this post
What about Hoot, squark, and other bird sound onomatopoeia?
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Well squawk this game then.
Everyone vote Serela. Now.
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##Vote PX
Because what a meanie </3
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Correction:
I want to see one of two things from people: Either a vote on Serela, or a reason why we shouldn't vote Serela. Refusal to provide either means you are scum and must die.
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We shouldn't vote Serela because ##Vote: Serela
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PX I would like to note that
A.You're telling everyone to vote me or say why not
and
2.You haven't done either of these yourself
So, yeah, still totally voting PX here :D
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But Dormio has both note voted nor explain why. Hence I'm voting him for being scum.
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But Dormio has both note voted nor explain why. Hence I'm voting him for being scum.
And this is a reason why he is not voting Serela.
Glorious leader!
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I reject your opinions and instead ##Vote: Conq
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##Unvote
Vote NNR
Scum for wanting to prolong RVS.
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(http://i.imgur.com/i4F4X.jpg)
(2) PX - Hero999, Serela
(2) Serela - Raikaria, I have no name
(1) Conqueror - NekoNekoRex
(1) NekoNekoRex - PX
(1) Shadoweh - Dormio
Not Voting (4): Affinity, Conqueror, Polaris, Shadoweh, Zakeri
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to hammer. You have about 48 hours left in the day.
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Rule addendum: the only roleplaying allowed in this game is replacing all your words with "chirp", "caw" or "squawk"
edit: or hoot i guess, i apologize to any owls who felt oppressed by this post
You should check your songbird privledge.
##Vote: Raikaria Bad waifu 1/10 would not marry again
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You should check your songbird privledge.
##Vote: Raikaria Bad waifu 1/10 would not marry again
You're the female Shadoweh.
Of course I'm a bad waifu. I'm not a female.
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Is RVS still going on? Has it ended? I wanted to participate :ohdear:
I'm not particularly happy with PX for telling us to give a reason to vote someone other than Serela, while a reason is not necessary to vote Serela. I mean, it should be natural that we give a reason for any of our votes, including a vote on Serela, especially if/when RVS is over. Why should we be allowed to excuse ourselves from explaining a vote on Serela?
##Vote: PX
PX, would you personally vote Serela? Is the person who you are voting for (NNR) scummier than Serela?
Of course, I am naturally displeased with those who are taking this as an opportunity to vote Serela without good reason, i.e. Raikaria and IHNN.
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Is RVS still going on? Has it ended? I wanted to participate :ohdear:
I'm not particularly happy with PX for telling us to give a reason to vote someone other than Serela, while a reason is not necessary to vote Serela. I mean, it should be natural that we give a reason for any of our votes, including a vote on Serela, especially if/when RVS is over. Why should we be allowed to excuse ourselves from explaining a vote on Serela?
##Vote: PX
PX, would you personally vote Serela? Is the person who you are voting for (NNR) scummier than Serela?
Of course, I am naturally displeased with those who are taking this as an opportunity to vote Serela without good reason, i.e. Raikaria and IHNN.
Just pointing out, my vote for Serela was before PX started his stuff. I just played along with the glorious leader thing because RVS.
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Vote Shadoweh
Not voting Serela because there's more scum trying to do nothing but RVS right now. I have no problems with Serela at all, I just want people to vote him instead of having a giant circle of votes that amount to nothing.
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It's more productive to have everyone vote one person than a giant circle of votes.
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Is RVS still going on? Has it ended? I wanted to participate :ohdear:
I'm not particularly happy with PX for telling us to give a reason to vote someone other than Serela, while a reason is not necessary to vote Serela. I mean, it should be natural that we give a reason for any of our votes, including a vote on Serela, especially if/when RVS is over. Why should we be allowed to excuse ourselves from explaining a vote on Serela?
##Vote: PX
PX, would you personally vote Serela? Is the person who you are voting for (NNR) scummier than Serela?
Of course, I am naturally displeased with those who are taking this as an opportunity to vote Serela without good reason, i.e. Raikaria and IHNN.
I kind of disagree with this post, the game just started, asking if X is scummier then Y isn't going to be easy to answer.
It##Unvote
Vote NNR
Scum for wanting to prolong RVS.
:(
It's barely been an hour...
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RVS lasts as long as players allow it to last. You explicitly ignored my post to do something that doesn't advance the game.
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I can't actually follow PX's reasoning that voting a single player is productive, especially when PX doesn't even find that single player scummy. I'm not sure if this is something town would do.
NNR: It's not a difficult question. There has to be a reason why you vote one person over another. Because PX was voting for you while asking others to vote Serela, I assumed he found both scummy and was asking for clarification. I suppose if you're not voting either person then it wouldn't be as easy to answer, but that isn't the case here.
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RVS lasts as long as players allow it to last. You explicitly ignored my post to do something that doesn't advance the game.
Encouraging a wagon on Serela right as the game starts doesn't do too much to advance it, either.
Actually, I guess it does, but it's counterproductive to town wincon to do so.
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I plunked down a vote to plunk one down.
Shadoweh what kind of reasoning is that, all I did was say you shouldn't vote Serela because I was voting Serela and I'm awful at reading Serela :3
##Vote: Shadoweh
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PX voting Shadoweh was totally my idea
I hit post and left to go have dinner but PX posted again so this has been sitting here for an hour >.>
So embarrassing.
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Polaris, it's PX, he does weird stuff and is (IMO) generally hard to read.
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##Vote: Raikaria
How dare you say that about mai hasubando, Shadoweh
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The early bird (PX)... is probably not scum, no matter how one-winged he is, and I sympathize with his sense of initiative.
Polaris trying to spin logic out of PX's jokey Serela posts sounds like easy pickings to me when they are so unrelated to his current votes. It is distracting.
Competing bandwagons > logic at this point in the game.
##Vote: Shadoweh
Let's turn up the heat, baby.
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##Vote: Shadoweh
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PX voting Shadoweh was totally my idea
So basically you and PX are the scumteam?
I claim Serial Killer/Survivor/Bulletproof/one-shot governor.
Tell me who your third scumteam member is so I don't accidentally shoot them overnight.
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So basically you and PX are the scumteam?
I claim Serial Killer/Survivor/Bulletproof/one-shot governor.
Tell me who your third scumteam member is so I don't accidentally shoot them overnight.
I didn't hit comma, what it should have been was: "PX, voting Shadoweh was my idea first"
The longer I leave a post just sitting there, the more confusing it is.
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:<
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How is forcing people to take a side counterproductive? You trying to hide in RVS reasoning strengthens my scum read on you, so my vote stays here.
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^ PX you are voting Shadoweh right? Your post is confusing me.
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Awww dammit I forgot who I was voting lol
Vote NekoNekoRex
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PX why did you vote Shadoweh anyway? Why is anyone voting Shadoweh anyway?
Shadoweh what kind of reasoning is that, all I did was say you shouldn't vote Serela because I was voting Serela and I'm awful at reading Serela :3
##Vote: Shadoweh
This is confusing me too, because Shadoweh only has one post which has nothing to do with you?
Affinity is also weird for voting Shadoweh and setting up the bandwagon saying that "competing bandwagons > logic" except Shadoweh's so-called wagon isn't even competing with anything. It just exists, and for no reason.
I'm so lost.
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Because I was going to vote anyone who didn't vote Serela or provided a reason not to. Shadoweh did both of those.
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It's competing with PX's wagon, isn't it, in terms of numbers? Choices between two viable wagons for the day are the best way to see where people stand (especially in the case where scum happens to be one of the two), since every vote matters. That's the power of the vote. Supposed logic errors (the likes that you point out) don't count for anything at this stage of the game since town can make them too. We're birds, after all.
##Unvote
##Vote: Ralkaria
On a quick skim, I find it suspicious that Ralkaria's only jerk reaction (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg900936.html#msg900936) to Polaris' post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg900932.html#msg900932) was to defend himself (when he wasn't even voted). Everyone else had commented on the PX issue as raised by both Polaris and Serela, so his play strikes me as wait-and-see, the bread and butter of scum ethos.
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##Unvote
##Vote Raikaria
Sheeting Affinity as well as emotions getting in the way, posting by iPad too hard.
Ignoring current ongoing topic because wifom to hell.
Affinity has the most reasonable post as of the moment.
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Well, I certainly can't see Shadoweh as a viable wagon, but I guess the "choosing between wagons" thing is similar to what PX is doing by "forcing people to take sides" or something like that. The problem I have with choosing sides is that it doesn't feel like there are any sides to choose from. Or something.
I'll stick with my PX vote for now since the earlier vote shenanigans make me feel like I can't dismiss the earlier posts as "jokey Serela posts".
I'm kind of convinced that Raikaria and his semi-reactiveness is a little scummy, but I think I find PX weirder.
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Hah hah hah what was that, four votes? I've slept through bigger wagons then you birds can flap out.
PX: Why would I have voted for Serela?
Hero: 'emotions getting in the way'? What the hell does that mean?
Affinity: You're voting Raikaria over Polaaris's post, but you were suspecting Polaris over that very same post, how does that work out?
Shadoweh what kind of reasoning is that, all I did was say you shouldn't vote Serela because I was voting Serela and I'm awful at reading Serela :3
##Vote: Shadoweh
What are you replying to? I didn't say anything about Serela, or about your post. Why are you defending PX for no reason, he hasn't done anything. 'He's weird' is a bad reason to defend someone anyways.
##Unvote
##Vote: Ihavenoname
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I'm taking that Raikaria post as survivalism which is a null-tell IMO, except for that this early there's no reason to and Raikaria is experienced enough to not make that mistake. so it's weirdish I guess?
PX is being PX, I always read him as scum :derp:
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Looking back even I can't make sense of that post Shadoweh. That's why I should post things as I write them instead of looking over them a million times and not walk away with a post sitting there.
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How is forcing people to take a side counterproductive? You trying to hide in RVS reasoning strengthens my scum read on you, so my vote stays here.
You're forcing the players to take a side on a player who has done fuck-all this game so far.
I felt entitled to one silly post at the start of the game, as should everyone. That isn't exactly a heinous crime in my books, or worth voting for that matter. I'm not prolonging RVS as much as you're essentially forcing it to end anyway.
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To make it clear, Serela doing essentially nothing in the first hour of the game isn't a reason to vote her either.
Are you just doing that for reactions?
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Polaris: So PX is tryhard; why does that make him scum? What's wrong with blindly bandwagoning in the beginning of the game?
I'll stick with my PX vote for now since the earlier vote shenanigans make me feel like I can't dismiss the earlier posts as "jokey Serela posts".
Explain this because I'm getting a jumble of words that don't make any sense in English.
##Vote: Polaris
Could go for Raikaria too from what I've seen.
NNR: Okay, so is there anyone you'd want to seriously vote? The Serela thing is a bit of a bygone at this point.
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The fuck happened here?
##Unvote
##Vote Hero999
Opportunistic, or some shit like that.
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Well, though I don't like it, I can see town doing what Polaris is doing, being flabbergasted in general and trying to fall back on logic. But Ralkaria being 'survivalist town' in the face of a minor suspicion (instead of say, a vote or bandwagon) strikes me as less likely. It's more like he's missing some opinions which should have been there. Scum-leaning responses to scum-leaning stuff are still scum-leaning, after all Flip the chessboard round and round.
Seconding the request for NNR to be more current. PX as well (paradoxically). >_>
@cut: Opportunistic jumps onto opportunistic jumps are SQUAWK-inducing, Dormio, especially when the latter is an ipad post...
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Problem?
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I'll stick with my PX vote for now since
the vote shenanigans from earlier (voting Shadoweh and NNR)
make me feel like
I can't dismiss what he did before as "jokey Serela posts" (as quoted from Affinity).
Conq the sentence is gramatically correct, it can't possibly not make sense. If you still don't get it I'll try clarifying again.
Although despite that I'm changing my mind a little?I think I found PX weird because I misremembered the chronology, and thought PX was going on with his Serela shenanigans after he had already ended it, more or less. I don't know, I guess I'm ignoring him for a moment.
Blind bandwagoning in general seems really lame because it gives people an excuse to vote for someone without actually trying, which is pretty scummy, isn't it? People should at least, uh, try to have opinions. Possibly.
I want to say more people should post, but I think everyone who didn't post yet has posted now, so I guess I just have to look over the game again. Likely to switch to Raikaria or maybe just leave my vote on PX.
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Wait, Conq, are you scum? I have a gut feeling, so I'll be watching you closely. B(
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Colourless green ideas sleep furiously is grammatically correct too, but that doesn't mean it makes any sense.
The point is that yeah, by that point PX had already dropped the Serela shenans. Could you explain how PX voting Shadoweh and NNR would make you feel like you couldn't dismiss his early push on Serela? That's the part I don't understand.
More importantly, why/how do you expect people to have serious/non-bandwagony reasons for voting right at the start of the game? In other situations it would be scummy, but in context...>_>
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PX forgetting about voting Shadoweh would imply that he wasn't taking his Serela thing seriously, which I realize now contradicts my thought that he was taking it pointlessly seriously. He wasn't actually pushing Serela, but it looked like he was inviting everyone to bandwagon Serela for whatever reason which I guess was odd. I don't really care about not having serious business reasons to vote since it's early Day 1, but bandwagoning without reasons is what I don't like, since it's as if they just want an opportunity to vote without trying to start discussion or something. Like, earlier, Affinity bandwagoned onto Shadoweh for the sake of bandwagoning, and it was stupid.
Should focus on finding scum instead of wasting time on bandwagoning theory, but I have other work to focus on so I'll get back to mafia tomorrow.
For now, PX is silly, Raikaria is weird, IHNN is weird, Dormio is mean, Conq is gut. See you all tomorrow :V
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(http://i.imgur.com/9NXN8.jpg)
(3) Raikaria - WHMZakeri, Affinity, Hero999
(2) PX - Serela, Polaris
(1) Conqueror - NekoNekoRex
(1) Hero999 - Dormio
(1) I have no name - Shadoweh
(1) NekoNekoRex - PX
(1) Polaris - Conqueror
(1) Serela - Raikaria
(1) Shadoweh - I have no name
Not Voting (0): None!
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to hammer. You have about 43 hours left in the day.
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67 hours? I thought we had 48 hour days.
##Vote:Zakeri
So we can get even closer to just having ONE VOTE ON EVERYONE.
...in a more serious manner, while it's good and all that we jumped into logic right away, it also generates more ~*~almost entirely useless noise~*~ then anything, so don't expect me back in the immediate future, I'll make a real post later.
(If anyone seriously wants me to elaborate on that, it's ALSO entirely pointless apart from maybe making sure I actually have a reason instead of an excuse, but sure whatever, also later.)
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Serela get your PRETTY BEHIND back here and vote for IHNN or I will spank you mercilessly.
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But Shadoweh, Nameless is obviously just Youmoe.
It's not his fault he's too soft.
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Wait, I'm getting voted for just pointing out that the order of my posts means that I was not bandwagoning like Polaris suggested. You know, pointing out somnething wrong that if I didn't point out might be erroneously used against me later and I forget why it's wrong?
Also how was anything I've posted anywhere anywhere that fits these:
##Unvote
##Vote Raikaria
Sheeting Affinity as well as emotions getting in the way, posting by iPad too hard.
Ignoring current ongoing topic because wifom to hell.
Affinity has the most reasonable post as of the moment.
I don't even know what you mean by Sheeting. Also where are any emotions in my posts except the intended jokey 'Glorious Leader' one? By the way, I don't even have an iPad.
How am I ignoring the current topic when I'm responding to someone's erroneous statement? In fact, how is there even a serious topic during RVS? How is that wifom?
I've not spoken to Affinity at all. How can I be 'sheeting' him?
Incorrect opportunistic reasons for voting, and since this an an attempt to legitimate reasons, it's not just RVS.
Given that you're the first person I have anything actually against this game:
##Vote Hero999
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I don't think Raikaria quite understands Hero's post. :derp:
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@Ralkaria: Hero meant sheeping, as in voting you for my reasons.
What do you think about the px fiasco in general?
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I was about to say that Raikaria is too adorable to vote anymore, and switch to Shadoweh, but then I read back and now it seems like the Ragepost at Hero might be an excuse to ignore Affinity.
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@Ralkaria: Hero meant sheeping, as in voting you for my reasons.
What do you think about the px fiasco in general?
Oh.
Sheeting is Sheeping.
IGNORE ME and my prior post! I'm an imbecile and thought Hero was attacking me, like last game where we butted heads.
##Unvote
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As for the PX thing which I forgot to adress above? I just found him funny. It's RVS Shenanigans. It doesn't count for anything.
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Oh.
Sheeting is Sheeping.
IGNORE ME and my prior post! I'm an imbecile and thought Hero was attacking me, like last game where we butted heads.
##Unvote
See >emotions :V
@Shadoweh: Emotions from last game didn't completely disappear yetz :V
On another note looking back at my post I realized it looked misleading considering my typo. Sorry for that.
On the early topic of PX's logic of either bandwagoning one person or jump someone else within reason, otherwise scum theory. I feel that it was very constrictive and not exactly fitting of either side. So I consider it a null-tell. However, I can see how it helped town as it
1) Led to the end of RVS.
And if we go with the basic >scum don't want attentions, PX is doing a great job of grabbing attention.
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I'm just going to drop PX on account he's RVS posting to get out of RVS. Clever.
##Unvote
##Vote: Affinity
I don't really like the idea that the first reaction to PX making a wagon is "try to make an opposing wagon" on RVS shenanigans that are going to dissipate within the next few pages anyway.
noname's post makes me frown
votes on raikaria make me frown too, I guess
like conq's posts. Then again I always like conq's posts.
Players still seem in a jumble over RVS as a whole so it'll still be a bit before any of my votes mean very much.
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(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z177/King_Yoshi42/1224507407239_zps104233ae.jpg)
Gee, it sure is boring around here
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But Shadoweh, Nameless is obviously just Youmoe.
It's not his fault he's too soft.
Do I have to remind you that Youmu was scum? She even broke your heart. I don't remember who Youmu was but they were surely a terrible criminal mastermind.
We are fishing for the dreaded no names today, he seems to have forgotten to be in a mafia and get lynched. Get back here and get owned pretty boy, I'm waiting for someone relevant from you beyond 'oh you're right that was a bad post plz lynch me now'
Wait, I'm getting voted for just pointing out that the order of my posts means that I was not bandwagoning like Polaris suggested. You know, pointing out somnething wrong that if I didn't point out might be erroneously used against me later and I forget why it's wrong?
....
Incorrect opportunistic reasons for voting, and since this an an attempt to legitimate reasons, it's not just RVS.
This entire post is overdefensive and bad. The part where it's all okay since Hero isn't attacking him (but he is) is hilariously bad too. Let's be buddies Hero! <^____^>
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@Raikaria: In that case, why didn't you take any issue with that facet of Polaris' post, which you should have disagreed with by all accounts?
@NNR: I've changed my vote. How is my Shadoweh vote still relevant to the game?
Uhh... Zakeri, Nameless, Dormio and Serela all seem entirely forgettable. Hope the game doesn't inch forward day by day like this in a game with like... 48-hour days.
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he seems to have forgotten to be in a mafia
I was at work for the past 5 hours. I have a life.
I may actually end up having to replace out, my free time literally just got more than halved.
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You're forcing the players to take a side on a player who has done fuck-all this game so far.
I felt entitled to one silly post at the start of the game, as should everyone. That isn't exactly a heinous crime in my books, or worth voting for that matter. I'm not prolonging RVS as much as you're essentially forcing it to end anyway.
No you're not. You're entitled to be accountable for every single one of your posts. You wanting to just post for the sake of posting and saying "it's RVS, you can't hold it against me" is an anti-town stance, as you're not taking seriously and not trying to find scum.
I'm just going to drop PX on account he's RVS posting to get out of RVS. Clever.
What now? Stop putting words on mouth, I never said it was RVS posting. You're still trying to get others to dismiss your posts under RVS, and that is not something I like.
Players still seem in a jumble over RVS as a whole so it'll still be a bit before any of my votes mean very much.
Stop with the RVS shit, start finding scum, you scum. Can we lynch already?
PX forgetting about voting Shadoweh would imply that he wasn't taking his Serela thing seriously, which I realize now contradicts my thought that he was taking it pointlessly seriously. He wasn't actually pushing Serela, but it looked like he was inviting everyone to bandwagon Serela for whatever reason which I guess was odd. I don't really care about not having serious business reasons to vote since it's early Day 1, but bandwagoning without reasons is what I don't like, since it's as if they just want an opportunity to vote without trying to start discussion or something. Like, earlier, Affinity bandwagoned onto Shadoweh for the sake of bandwagoning, and it was stupid.
Should focus on finding scum instead of wasting time on bandwagoning theory, but I have other work to focus on so I'll get back to mafia tomorrow.
For now, PX is silly, Raikaria is weird, IHNN is weird, Dormio is mean, Conq is gut. See you all tomorrow :V
マジだよ
I was completely seriously the entire game. I simply chose Serela because he's most likely to be a liability for LyLo, he's polarizing, and it doesn't take much convincing for people to jump on him. If people bandwagon'd without reasons, then call them out as scum for it instead of telling people to go around voting everyone. I'd rather have everyone voting two people than what the last votecount showed, everybody in a giant circle which provides little. With bandwagons, you can analyze wagon positions and reasons why people are voting.
67 hours? I thought we had 48 hour days.
##Vote:Zakeri
So we can get even closer to just having ONE VOTE ON EVERYONE.
...in a more serious manner, while it's good and all that we jumped into logic right away, it also generates more ~*~almost entirely useless noise~*~ then anything, so don't expect me back in the immediate future, I'll make a real post later.
(If anyone seriously wants me to elaborate on that, it's ALSO entirely pointless apart from maybe making sure I actually have a reason instead of an excuse, but sure whatever, also later.)
Serela, are you scum? Cereal.
As for the PX thing which I forgot to adress above? I just found him funny. It's RVS Shenanigans. It doesn't count for anything.
I don't like you either.
Unvote
Vote NekoNekoRex
(Yes, I know I'm voting the same person)
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##Unvote
##Vote NekoNekoRex
I can actually get around the idea of lynching NNR today. The Affinity vote looks like it came out of nowhere and I don't understand why he needed to "drop PX" when he was holding onto a jokevote on Conq the whole time.
Not as convinced that PX is scum, though it's not like he's super town. Still keeping an eye on him.
Raikaria is still weird, but I still need to figure out if his weirdness is scummy. I'm open to lynching him if it comes to that, but for now I'll keep an eye on him.
I have a feeling that there is at least one scum in the four names Affinity listed as forgettable. Keeping an eye on them.
Keeping an eye on Conq for reasons of the gut variety, seeing as he hasn't said anything that would change my mind. Conq, if you aren't scum, you should do something cool!
Everyone else (which I notice now is only, like, 4 people not counting me) is cool and does not need to be lynched.
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I was at work for the past 5 hours. I have a life.
I may actually end up having to replace out, my free time literally just got more than halved.
Yeah, I'd like to request a replacement actually (don't worry I still have time to run a queue just not time for a game right now)
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Do I have to remind you that Youmu was scum? She even broke your heart. I don't remember who Youmu was but they were surely a terrible criminal mastermind.
My love for Youmu has been cast and reforged by Youkai.
The things my love for Youmu cannot cut are next to none.
That said, is there actually a reason you think he could be scum other than just apologizing for being trapped in another dimension and somehow managing to post his response in this thread instead?
I don't really like the idea that the first reaction to PX making a wagon is "try to make an opposing wagon" on RVS shenanigans that are going to dissipate within the next few pages anyway.
Do you think Affinity might be scum for taking PX's line of logic and taking it to the Next Logical step?
Or do you just personally not enjoy it?
Also, I'm desperately hoping Serela comes back with an explanation for his vote. I didn't like it before, but I kind of feel like an idiot that it took until PX's post to realize that it was the fact that's he's purposely voting to expand the list rather than to do anything useful with the current wagons. Even if it was a joke, Serela's wasting a heck of a lot of time here.
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almost nothing happened in the past 24 hours
I expected to get voted (I was kind of aiming for something sort of related to that? No I don't mean I made a dumb post to try and "trap" someone) but then it never happened. And not much else did either. Especially considering that it's mid-d1, where the game... should be a lot more active then this.
I'm trying to see anything that I can actually think looks scummy in a serious manner at all :T Rereading over stuff a couple times because the first time didn't get anywhere.
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Hilariously, I think I actually want to keep my vote on Zak except in kind of a serious manner, but I can't really blame him for not seeming to say much that matters (Which is why I want to) because... the game is still barely at the point of using logic that matters
A votecount would be kind of cool since at the time of the last one there was practically just one vote on everyone, and we have less then 24 hours left now, so it's getting to That Time Of The Day where we need to actually kind of... reach a decision.
End of day rush should start happening NOW instead of in 12 more hours or so, because then maybe based on how people act there, something that's more useful for scumhunting might pop up? >_> Instead of just... everyone jumping on someone towards the end of the day for the sake of getting a lynch at all. And then we go into d2 without much info.
Not interested in the NNR lynch suggestion. ...it's hard to post when MotK keeps not wanting to load a page whenever I decide I need to look at page 2 again. And I reread page 2 and it's mostly either non-disagreeable play or people voting eachother over pointless silly things, which isn't surprising because it's PAGE TWO so yeah.
...yeah I think I'm going to keep voting Zak :I
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Psst what about Raikaria, what do you think of him
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So, who wants to go back to voting Serela?
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Psst what about Raikaria, what do you think of him
not good, wouldn't exactly mind lynching, but I don't really think she's actually scum either so I'm not particularly interested, seems more like an easy mislynch for scum to me then anything else imo
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Polaris: So basically you misunderstood, okay. :V
##Unvote
##Vote: NekoNekoRex
I can dig a NNR wagon.
noname's post makes me frown
which post?
votes on raikaria make me frown too, I guess
why?
like conq's posts. Then again I always like conq's posts.
Why? I've barely said anything this game and you didn't mention anything about my posts.
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PX is my strongest townread.
(I never thought I'd say that in a mafia game).
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EBWODP: My opinion on Raikaria is that I'm not going to pretend I can read him seeing last game. Wouldn't be adverse to a lynch but don't know how much of his play is just due to playstyle etc.
I don't get Shadoweh's beef with IHNN especially as her latest post was attacking Raikaria instead of IHNN. Shadoweh, what are you doing?
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k I have some free time now so before I replace out I might as well try and do stuff (also if no replacement is found I'm stuck here so there's that too)
I see no reasons to vote Serela.
I see no reason to continue voting Shadoweh honestly, so ##Unvote
Content!post coming within an hour then sleep.
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Problem?
Actually, yes. You have 2 posts, that's one of them. The other votes hero (who only has one post but that is useful).
I would vote you but that wouldn't get any support, especially since this game I'm vulnerable to that approach. Please post stuff soon so I can twist it around to vote you get an accurate read.
I can see where the NNR wagon is coming from and kind of support it.
Additionally (I counted) this ##Vote: NNR brings him to L-2.
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Nice to see MotK hasn't changed in the one game I was absent in. I still make weird D1 posts, I still attract wagons.
No you're not. You're entitled to be accountable for every single one of your posts. You wanting to just post for the sake of posting and saying "it's RVS, you can't hold it against me" is an anti-town stance, as you're not taking seriously and not trying to find scum.
I'm about as likely to find scum in the first hour of the game as my waifu Dejiko is to become a real, actual, living person.
What now? Stop putting words on mouth, I never said it was RVS posting. You're still trying to get others to dismiss your posts under RVS, and that is not something I like.
I was completely seriously the entire game. I simply chose Serela because he's most likely to be a liability for LyLo, he's polarizing, and it doesn't take much convincing for people to jump on him. If people bandwagon'd without reasons, then call them out as scum for it instead of telling people to go around voting everyone. I'd rather have everyone voting two people than what the last votecount showed, everybody in a giant circle which provides little. With bandwagons, you can analyze wagon positions and reasons why people are voting.
So you're trying to get a policy lynch on Serela because of meta? That's seriously your only reason? And you're serious about this? What happened to actual scumhunting?
Why are you taking a post in the Random Voting Stage so seriously? Why not jump on the bullshit posts that people made before you declared a policy lynch an hour into the day?
Raikaria is right. It's RVS shenanigans. It doesn't amount to anything. Do you need a reason I voted Conq instead of Serela? How about "Because he has/had the same chance of flipping scum as anyone else did at that point in the game"
I'm sick because I ate a metric ton of sugar for no reason in my D&D session tonight so I'm going to bed and getting to the rest of the game tomorrow.
cut: so do I really need to claim now less then 24 hours into the game? This is ridiculous.
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Actually, yes.
Too bad, busy.
Anyway.
##Unvote
##Vote Serela
Current thoughts on PX, Serela?
And why Zakeri over everyone else?
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Ralkaria's protracted response thread is irritating, but I guess one can lump him into the same forgettable pile as Dormio and co now. Like Conq, I can't tell if it's genuine cluelessness or not, and there are probably better people to go for today. Of course, if we had multiple lynches today, I would endorse lynching Dormio, Serela, Nameless and Ralkaria at one shot, but Mafia is only as good as its townies at any given time.
I don't like the NNR wagon; when people who were originally buttting heads with each other (Polaris, PX) heap lethargically on the same easy target, something is up. Not that I can disagree with what has been raised against him, but when he has refrained from going after PX when it was cool and went after me instead, I think he's not bad as of yet.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Zakeri
I suppose out of forgettable people, Zakeri is the guy to look out for. His reason (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901134.html#msg901134) for voting Ralkaria is invalid since Ralkaria admitted his mistake and answered my question, but he doesn't address this in his next post.
He does prod (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901265.html#msg901265) NNR decently on obvious things, but his blurb on only Serela wasting time feels like content-spinning when so many others at that point in time (e.g Dormio, Nameless) were in similar positions.
In the end Zakeri's vote seems like a votepark, and his NNR blurb a possible link to switch over when needed.
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Dormio:PX is being out there enough that I would dislike a lynch on him today, as scum he's more super lurky then anything. Not that he can't be scum, but the stuff he's doing now definitely doesn't make him look like it
Zakeri's posts seem like... forgettable as Affinity said? He does a small poke on a few small things and mostly has posted fluff or content that's unimportant. He doesn't explicitly feel like scum, but it's worse then anyone -else- I'm seeing, so it's where I'd place my bets right now.
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Been sleeping, now awake.
@Raikaria: In that case, why didn't you take any issue with that facet of Polaris' post, which you should have disagreed with by all accounts?
For the same reason as I already stated. RVS Shenanigans. I'd only disagree if it looked like Serela was actually going to get lynched by RVS.
I'm used to seeing wagons on me at some point in D1. It's like it's part of the D1 ritual. Which is why I tend to be so defensive early Day 1.
Don't like the NNR wagon because I don't understand the reason for it. If we're going to start a wagon on someone because we can't find scum a D1 it should be someone not contributing at all. If anything, my gut feeling on NNR is town. Not sure exactly what makes me think that, it's justa gut feeling I'm getting from NNR's posts.
Anyway, about the closest thing to an actual scumread is as Affinity pointed out above, when Zakeri ignores questions posed to him. Most of the others either haven't posted enough content for me to have a read on them at all, or I'm leaning town on [Polaris, Affinity and NNR strongly, also getting town vibes from IHNN and Serela]
It's not even a strong scumread on Zakeri, but it's more than nothing, and maybe this'll get him to answer the earlier question posed at least.
###Vote: Zakeri
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So you're trying to get a policy lynch on Serela because of meta? That's seriously your only reason? And you're serious about this? What happened to actual scumhunting?
-Psst-, PX already started scumhunting after pushing Serela and before your post.
The lumping votes on NNR is making me want to shy away from. Scum is likely on his wagon as of that post.
I like how all three of the people voting for me right now say, in different wording each time "Zakeri's probably not scum, but I don't have anything better."
Okay, so Affinity didn't but the other two seem very suspicious.
He does prod NNR decently on obvious things, but his blurb on only Serela wasting time feels like content-spinning when so many others at that point in time (e.g Dormio, Nameless) were in similar positions.
The difference between Serela and Dormio+Nameless is that the latter two aren't here, while Serela is just waiting for the day to progress. It might be just him Serela-posting, but I genuinely don't like it where as I can deal with the other two.
I don't know what Raikaria's play is like as town, but judging from the game I was in, people can't seem to tell the difference between him flounder-town and flounder-scum. I haven't seen anything so far that would make me want to keep him around, and the only thing preventing me from hardcore slamming him is the fact that he has yet to voteswitch to every single person.
wow, those reasons suck, no wonder I'm getting wagoned, Okay, I admit I'm being a little vote-parky on Raikaria, but I don't think he's town.
Basically, right about now the two people I'm thinking are scum are, somehow, the two people who suddenly wagoned onto me by parroting Affinity's post (Yes, I know Serela was voting me before Affinity, but that's a frivilous detail.)
Also, moot point, but I don't really see Polaris and PX as butting heads, but rather that Polaris is just trying to his read on PX. PX may be doing something weird, but he's this game's day-one-obv-town so I'm ignoring him for now.
Also, still waiting for Shadoweh to Respond.
Also also also, People are already complaining about me missing questions? That was fast. Why can't you people be this on me when I'm actually scum? Oh, and I should probably ask for posts leading to the questions directed at me that I missed.
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Speaking of missing Questions, NNR you need to go back and super explain your post where you started sheeping to Affinity on Raikaria, because both Conqueror and I need you to comment on that.
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My love for Youmu has been cast and reforged by Youkai.
The things my love for Youmu cannot cut are next to none.
That said, is there actually a reason you think he could be scum other than just apologizing for being trapped in another dimension and somehow managing to post his response in this thread instead?
Do you think Affinity might be scum for taking PX's line of logic and taking it to the Next Logical step?
Or do you just personally not enjoy it?
I'm really sleepy, so I'm going to assume you want a response to this.
I think he could be scum because scum I have no name blatantly misunderstands the thread and posts nonsense.
I think Affinity sounds pretty town (THE HORROR) and not taking the Next Logical Step is pretty typical of him
Also, I'm desperately hoping Serela comes back with an explanation for his vote. I didn't like it before, but I kind of feel like an idiot that it took until PX's post to realize that it was the fact that's he's purposely voting to expand the list rather than to do anything useful with the current wagons. Even if it was a joke, Serela's wasting a heck of a lot of time here.
I'm sure he's not doing it on purpose. He was just born that way. :<
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(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc2rgiAMKY1r01vzmo1_500.jpg)
(4) NekoNekoRex - PX, Polaris, Conqueror, I have no name
(3) Zakeri - Serela, Affinity, Raikaria
(2) Raikaria - WHMZakeri, Hero999
(1) Affinity - NekoNekoRex
(1) I have no name - Shadoweh
(1) Serela - Dormio
Not Voting (0): None!
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to hammer. You have about 16 hours left in the day.
will be busy w/ psat tomorrow so don't expect many votals
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Oh hey Bard is replacing in
one of us one of us
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I'm satisfied with Zakeri's recent post, so I'll now
##Unvote
Anyway, not really got any threads to get a hold of and do anything with. Which is a shame, because usually I get something to pull at during Day 1, be it lack of activity from someone, or someone saying something suspicious.
Not really got anything standing out that I want to press on too.
However, there is one small thing I want to chase up, thinking about it:
Actually, yes. You have 2 posts, that's one of them. The other votes hero (who only has one post but that is useful).
I would vote you but that wouldn't get any support, especially since this game I'm vulnerable to that approach. Please post stuff soon so I can twist it around to vote you get an accurate read.
Stop lurking Dormio it's bad for your health, you know Magical Madness proved that.
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I feel so useless right now... oh well. Hopefully something comes up that I can actually use.
I'll re-iterate that I do not understand why people are voting NNR and why he's being wagoned.
In fact:
PX: RVS stuff for not voting Serela.
Polaris: Dosen't actually give a reason (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901246.html#msg901246)
Conq: Just digs a wagon (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901284.html#msg901284)
IHNN: Claims to know where this wagon comes from... (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901292.html#msg9012920)
Unless we're seriously voting NNR for not voting Serela during RVS... get off that wagon... it smells bad.
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Simply too many tentative votes and unvotes in the game right now, and invariably Shadoweh and co are going to have to scramble and stuff. Why does everyone claim to be tired on D1? I'm sick and sad and I'm going to bed early. Won't be around for the deadline (lesson learnt!).
While I applaud Zakeri's cordialness, his vote on Ralkaria still is a vote-park. He has assimilated Ral's and Serela's weak votes on him as reasons to suspect them, but nothing else has changed. Oh well. My vote stays.
I frown at Ral's stop-and-go on Zakeri, since I don't think Zakeri has failed to answer questions. Dormio has as well! Will like to see his follow-up on his post above.
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I frown at Ral's stop-and-go on Zakeri, since I don't think Zakeri has failed to answer questions. Dormio has as well! Will like to see his follow-up on his post above.
Wait this is confuseing.
You frown at me voting Zakeri and then unvoteing when the reason for my vote become invalid, and then you say you don't think he failed to answer questions, which was the reason I voted him.
Can you explain further why my unvote disturbs you? I stated I unvoted because I felt my reason was no longer valid.
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I don't think he failed to answer them even before his reply post. Voting him simply for that seems strange, when say, Dormio didn't as well. That's why your vote-unvote disturbs me, even more so when you have not made a choice out of people on the NNR bandwagon.
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Time to play the catch up game
Do you think Affinity might be scum for taking PX's line of logic and taking it to the Next Logical step?
Missed this at some point. The answer is "No, but I didn't have anything better to go on at the time and it seemed bad"
##Unvote
##Vote NekoNekoRex
I can actually get around the idea of lynching NNR today. The Affinity vote looks like it came out of nowhere and I don't understand why he needed to "drop PX" when he was holding onto a jokevote on Conq the whole time.
Not as convinced that PX is scum, though it's not like he's super town. Still keeping an eye on him.
Raikaria is still weird, but I still need to figure out if his weirdness is scummy. I'm open to lynching him if it comes to that, but for now I'll keep an eye on him.
I have a feeling that there is at least one scum in the four names Affinity listed as forgettable. Keeping an eye on them.
Keeping an eye on Conq for reasons of the gut variety, seeing as he hasn't said anything that would change my mind. Conq, if you aren't scum, you should do something cool!
Everyone else (which I notice now is only, like, 4 people not counting me) is cool and does not need to be lynched.
Dislike this post.
I dropped PX is because I didn't think he was actually doing anything wrong. (Hence the lack of vote on him in the first place) To me it was (and still is) just anti-RVS shenanigans we were debating and not really anything scummy. Affinity was the only thing that caught my attention although apparently I missed her/his (fuck if I know any more) posts
Don't really like the way you spun suspicion on Raikaria. Could have just said "gut" and been done with it.
Actually the whole posts is just "##Vote NNR, also gut on some other people"
Polaris: So basically you misunderstood, okay. :V
##Unvote
##Vote: NekoNekoRex
I can dig a NNR wagon
IHNN frown
which post?
#43 if I recall. It seemed like a useless ball of fluff. Posts afterwards only seemed marginally useful
Disliking votes on Raikaria
why?'
Didn't see anything wrong with Raikaria's posts, so I thought the votes on him were bad.
Conq
Why? I've barely said anything this game and you didn't mention anything about my posts.
Gut + I liked the few points you made
Don't like Serela's posts, there's no content there. Dislike lack of stance on current events.
noname's posts summed up as "Promised content, delivered sheepvote". Frownyface.
Rest of content seems pretty solid and I unless I come up with something to ask I don't have any more to say
Ironically I'm going to ##Unvote ##Vote: Serela for not having any content handy for the day, still.
FAKEEDIT: Also I don't know why it's apparently bad for people to have a "nonwagon vote". Forcing two or three set wagons for a day stifles scumhunting in my opinion and having a differing view shouldn't be wrong unless it's preventing an actual lynch from going down at deadline.
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I feel the whimsical vote-switching is very very anti-town, and I wish people would think a little further before doing so.
I'm going to state now I wish people won't use the >wagon on D1 AtE. Honestly there are at least 5 people here that can apply to.
I feel too forgotten, ILoveYouIHNN.
Go away Shadoweh doesn't help you were once a halve of Youmu!
Jerk candywoman.
...I don't see the reason NNR is being wagoned for.
As for the PX thing which I forgot to adress above? I just found him funny. It's RVS Shenanigans. It doesn't count for anything.
I like to hear the reason why you merely found him funny and thought it was merely RVS Shenanigans and not PX being completely serious. Honestly speaking I can see how this quote undermines the seriousness of the PX RVS ending attempt.
##Unvote
##Vote NekoNekoRex
I can actually get around the idea of lynching NNR today. The Affinity vote looks like it came out of nowhere and I don't understand why he needed to "drop PX" when he was holding onto a jokevote on Conq the whole time.
Not as convinced that PX is scum, though it's not like he's super town. Still keeping an eye on him.
Raikaria is still weird, but I still need to figure out if his weirdness is scummy. I'm open to lynching him if it comes to that, but for now I'll keep an eye on him.
I have a feeling that there is at least one scum in the four names Affinity listed as forgettable. Keeping an eye on them.
Keeping an eye on Conq for reasons of the gut variety, seeing as he hasn't said anything that would change my mind. Conq, if you aren't scum, you should do something cool!
So...I see you have an eye for about...4-6 people, and a finger for 1 and a gut for another???
Honestly I envy you if you can "keep an eye" on all those people and still post coherently.
Unless this is a false promise~
Either way, if you have that many eyes I hope you keep up those claims.
And everything else is a bit jumbled and nothing stands out, If I missed out on something important point it out to me.
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I don't think he failed to answer them even before his reply post. Voting him simply for that seems strange, when say, Dormio didn't as well. That's why your vote-unvote disturbs me, even more so when you have not made a choice out of people on the NNR bandwagon.
Just popping in quickly to reply to this:
1: If we feel he answered or not is subjective, IHNN had the same point of view as me. Dormio has hardly posted at all.
2: I haven't made a choice out of the NNR wagon because I'm not sure who to choose and could very easily end up vote/unvoteing again, which apparently people don't like, apparently people should have one opinion all day and stick to it, especially during D1!
Honestly, I feel the accusations being thrown at me are a damned if you do damned if you don't situation. I vote, then something changes my mind, so I unvote to someone else. That's bad. I don't vote so I can be more sure about where to put my vote, that's bad too!
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Polaris had a reason for voting NNR, and it was the Affinity vote.
This is all the content I have time for for another...9-10 hours.
Darnit Bard why couldn't you have subbed in
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Polaris had a reason for voting NNR, and it was the Affinity vote.
This is all the content I have time for for another...9-10 hours.
Darnit Bard why couldn't you have subbed in
Indeed, I missed NNR voting affinity because it's wasn't bolded.
My bad there. Still, both you and Conq are just bandwagoning.
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I lied I have time for a quick post now.
I'm not "just" bandwagoning, I agree that the vote on Affinity is weird.
Besides, there's less than 24 hours in the day so consolidation is basically required now, and NNR seems like a fine target to lynch at the moment.
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Just woke up, but I have noticed that Shadoweh has avoided talking about these current wagons for all of the day. Something to note in case something flips scum. Also, preemptive not gonna be here at deadline because I being meguka now (going down to LA for the Madoka Movies, peace out)
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Eh, I still don't agree with the wagon on NNR, but aside from Conq just seeming to be perfectly happy to ride the wagon, and Dormio lurking [Again], I have nothing better of suggest.
Will only vote NNR as a consolation, which is looking more and more likly to happen because nothing else is picking up any steam... or much reason to lynch at all.
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Eh, I still don't agree with the wagon on NNR, but aside from Conq just seeming to be perfectly happy to ride the wagon, and Dormio lurking [Again], I have nothing better of suggest.
Will only vote NNR as a consolation, which is looking more and more likly to happen because nothing else is picking up any steam... or much reason to lynch at all.
So the answer is obviously to take the easy way out by apathy posting while your vote sits around unused. At this rate I'll get lynched because town is too lazy to find somebody else to vote.
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PROTIP: Try actually putting some pressure on the lurkers and see if they actually budge to post something useful.
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In fact, you have plenty of damn fine reasons to put a vote down.
Like these ones:
My bad there. Still, both you and Conq are just bandwagoning.
And these
but aside from Conq just seeming to be perfectly happy to ride the wagon, and Dormio lurking [Again], I have nothing better of suggest.
Hell, you listed Conq twice. Go vote that guy already if you really mean it.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Raikaria
Here's some motivation.
PX if you're not going to be here for deadline does that mean you're not going to address me at all?
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So your response to watching someone you don't want to get lynched is to... sit back and watch him get lynched? I think we've found our scumteam.
Cut by NNR stealing my post.
Double cut by the same person....
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Obviously people ignore my previous statement.
Damned if I do: Something could happen that changes my vote mind. People have had a go at me for switching votes already when that happened, like with Zakeri. Taking your example, if I voted Dormio and then he became active, half the town would bitch at me when I unvote.
Damned if I don't: I don't vote and wait to make up my mind, and people have a go at me for THAT.
Honestly. Regardless of what I do, I get yelled at. You guys are never happy.
Sorry, just feel like ranting about that. It's frustrating. Vote and get yelled at and called scummy, don't vote and wait and yelled at and called scummy for it.
Make up your minds town. At this point I almost want to see how you'd react if I selfvoted.
##Vote Conqueror
Wagon Riding and seeing if town would stop moaning at me [Although when you inevitably unvote or explain and I lose my logic to vote you and unvote they'll whine at me ANYWAY]
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Your Affinity vote makes fuck sense, you Serela vote came out of nowhere once you had no ground on the Affinity vote, note did you expand on why you voted him or dropped him, Serela vote was dropped to vote the most current lack of content person (not that I disagree with the vote), and the way you came to the vote with your post streak doesn't feel right with me. I could look some time before deadline but the two I would lynch are NNR and Raikaria.
edit: Why are you so concerned about how other people look at you? Your main concern should be finding scum, not trying to be as town as possible to other people's eyes.
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edit: Why are you so concerned about how other people look at you? Your main concern should be finding scum, not trying to be as town as possible to other people's eyes.
I'm more concerned about how regardless of what I do someone starts calling me scummy and people say they want to lynch me. It can't work both ways.
Besides, as town, one of your objectives is to not get yourself lynched. It's equally important to finding scum, because if you're town, and the town thinks you are town, that narrows down the pool, doesn't it? 1 less townie in the lynching pool, making it easier to find scum.
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Then stop whining about it and convince other people why they should lynch who you're voting instead of you.
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Catching up. But first:
Raikaria: How am I bandwagoning/wagon riding? I gave my reasons:
Unspecific jab at noname without talking about which post he thought was bad or why
Soft defense of raikaria without talking about why votes on raikaria are bad
Soft buddying of me, saying he liked my posts when I made like 2 and they were both focusing on one person.
But reading the rest now.
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Catching up. But first:
Raikaria: How am I bandwagoning/wagon riding? I gave my reasons:
Unspecific jab at noname without talking about which post he thought was bad or why
Soft defense of raikaria without talking about why votes on raikaria are bad
Soft buddying of me, saying he liked my posts when I made like 2 and they were both focusing on one person.
But reading the rest now.
OK, so those were actual reasons? Not just questions you were asking?
When the first thing you say after voting someone is 'I can dig this wagon' it gives the impression you just want to ride it, to me, at least.
Also, he's answered your questions now, so unless you're unsatisfied with the answers, you should unvote, by all rights.
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48 hour days are awful for getting good wagons.
NNR looking better.
Uhh, not sure about Zak, but I want him to explain this statement:
The lumping votes on NNR is making me want to shy away from. Scum is likely on his wagon as of that post.
So...who's the scum on his wagon? That doesn't jive with the statement later on in that post that you think Serela and Raikaria are scum.
Shadoweh is probably scum; she's still voting IHNN for this:
I think he could be scum because scum I have no name blatantly misunderstands the thread and posts nonsense.
which is a godawful piece of meta which isn't even valid because IHNN can be contradictory etc as town too.
Don't have a read on IHNN but he's more engaged in the game than Shadoweh at least.
Don't know what Dormio/Serela are doing. Either could be scum but probably not together.
Unfortunately Raikaria is probably town. His effort in this game is a lot better than in last game.
##Unvote
##Vote: Shadoweh
Can we do this? Going to look over Zak again.
Pedit: Yeah, I was just doing that. Also, I was using a figure of speech.
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EBWOP: They were questions I were asking that tied into why I was voting him.
(3) NekoNekoRex - PX, Polaris, I have no name
(2) Zakeri - Serela, Affinity
(3) Raikaria - WHMZakeri, Hero999, NekoNekoRex
(1) I have no name - Shadoweh
(1) Serela - Dormio
(1) Conqueror - Raikaria
This is the votecount I think. about 5 to 6 hours left?
I'd take Zak over NNR and Raikaria I guess, but I don't really have a strong feeling on him.
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@Raikaria: It's always hard to understand why people are voting you, and talking to them about their two-faced nature isn't going to convince them that they are wrong. Your best bet if you're town is to just try and scumhunt harder, and to comment on anything that sticks out like a bent nail. Just be natural, since being natural is the easiest way for a person to get a town read on you.
That said, the fact that you unvoted and were too scared to do anything does a lot worse for you than what I said about you switching votes to everybody. Town should never be -that- hesitant about scumhunting. Do it even if someone says they're going to vote for you (especially if they already are.)
I've accepted NNR's response to my question. I have no reasons to see his lynch other than to make it easier to slam on the people who are already voting for him.
Actually, I don't even have that, Since Conqueror is my strongest scum read on the entire wagon, and I wouldn't even be that heartbroken about him living.
Between the Three wagons, I'll have to stay with my vote, but it'd be nice if we would get a surprise wagon going on Shadoweh or Conqueror
!Edit: Actually, Since Conqueror agrees with me about Shadoweh, I'm going to take the chance.
##Unvote: Raikaria
##Vote: Shadoweh
I've been trying to peg her for the poor reasoning against Nameless all day so far, but I'm going to go ahead and throw the fact that she hasn't commented on anything else on top of that.
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So...who's the scum on his wagon?
Semi-answered in my last post, but I'll clearify: Saying there's scum on the wagon is just a blanket statement that I left out there so that when people call me on it, I'll have had enough time to figure out who it is, but for some weird reason there isn't actually someone on the wagon that I would vote for besides for consolidation. It threw me off when I noticed, but it doesn't matter since scum is everywhere else as well.
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Ah, thanks. Yeah, don't really want a Zak wagon.
Full steam ahead on Shadoweh then. No one thinks she's town; the lack of attention she's been receiving despite her coasting and lack of content is pretty suspicious too. Her entire ISO is just potshots at people without any followup.
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Your Affinity vote makes fuck sense, you Serela vote came out of nowhere once you had no ground on the Affinity vote, note did you expand on why you voted him or dropped him, Serela vote was dropped to vote the most current lack of content person (not that I disagree with the vote), and the way you came to the vote with your post streak doesn't feel right with me. I could look some time before deadline but the two I would lynch are NNR and Raikaria.
Dropped affinity because by the time I actually voted, affinity had moved on to someone else. Aside from that, Affinity looks town to me right now, so the vote was vastly dated.
Serela's still useless, I'm not dropping her just yet. Current vote is exactly what's stated on the post I put the vote in. Apathy is bad and Raikaria needs a good old fashioned voteprod to get to work. I don't think it was a waste of time to do it. Will probably reread Raikaria's posts and switch back if.... *checks profile*... he is worth keeping the vote down.
Sorry, just feel like ranting about that. It's frustrating. Vote and get yelled at and called scummy, don't vote and wait and yelled at and called scummy for it.
Welcome to Mafia! Sometimes you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. Put more effort into convictions if you want to look more town, really.
People who specify their gender on their profile are the true heroes of MotK
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Unfortunately Raikaria is probably town. His effort in this game is a lot better than in last game.
Hey, I made effort last game. Just not town effort.
I gotta agree with the points on Shadoweh, and my Conq vote reasons no longer hold water anyway. Shadoweh has been lurky, which is always a good 'when in doubt' lynch D1, and what she *has* posted is just... ew.
As I've said before, I don't have a town-read on Shadoweh, so I'm more than fine lynching my Ex-Waifu.
##Unvote
##Vote Shadoweh
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(http://i.imgur.com/xatyE.jpg)
(3) NekoNekoRex - PX, Polaris, I have no name
(3) Shadoweh - Conqueror, WHMZakeri, Raikaria
(2) Raikaria - Hero999, NekoNekoRex
(2) Zakeri - Serela, Affinity
(1) I have no name - Shadoweh
(1) Serela - Dormio
Not Voting (0): None!
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to hammer. You have about 4 hours and 30 minutes left in the day.
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will be busy w/ psat tomorrow so don't expect many votals
psat hi5
Oh no we have like four hours left
I'm all for a surprise wagon on Conq but I don't know if anyone other than Zak would support it :L
I'm ok with lynching Shadoweh for given reasons but I'm not terribly enthusiastic about it.
Would like to see NNR's updated stances on Raikaria/Serela. NNR doesn't look like he's looking for scum; the voteprod on Raikaria makes him look like he's doing something, but I don't see any intention of lynching the scums.
Raikaria is almost infuriatingly passive so I support his lynch if the others don't happen.
I don't support anyone else's lynch for today.
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okay just woke up a little bit ago
and now I need to run to the shower and then getting pulled out to go somewhere, so, basically I'm not going to be back for another couple hours (figured this is relevant because deadline is like, -right there-)
I'm super not interested in NNR wagon still, and I kind of agree with the shadoweh wagon but I have no time to actually type anything about that, sorrryyyyy :c BBL
##Unvote ##Vote Shadoweh
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I thought you knew better then last minute speed wagons Conq. IHNN had literally not posted anything since then, what did you expect my mind to change? :p One sec while I update my yugioh uploads. I guess I'm voting Neko then even though Raikaria looked way worse? SORRY KID IT'S YOU OR ME IN THIS COLD WORLD
##Unvote
##Vote: NekoNekoRex
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....Are we really doing this? :\
Anyways...going with people I like believe in more, Since I still don't see stuff. Also because my sister said so.
##Unvote
##Vote NekoNekoRex
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Hey, if we quickwagon someone, can we quickwagon Dormio please?
Failing that obviously I think NNR looks weird, not necessarily scummy but not townie either, and Zakeri is playing?
Raikaria I don't think would flip scum at the moment, and Shadoweh...my read on her depends on her next post I guess.
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Hey, if we quickwagon someone, can we quickwagon Dormio please?
Failing that obviously I think NNR looks weird, not necessarily scummy but not townie either, and Zakeri is playing?
Raikaria I don't think would flip scum at the moment, and Shadoweh...my read on her depends on her next post I guess.
We quickwagoned Dormio last game.
can your read of shadoweh be done on her last post two posts above yours?
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Her last post is Not Me Over Me.
We quickwagoned Dormio last game.
and eventually it's going to hit scum!
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Just finished driving to LA with 4 hours until the movie. I see we're jumping on Shadoweh, and I don't oppose this lynch.
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You know what, screw it. Shadoweh probably has a better chance at flipping scum than NNR at this moment. NNR still isn't convincing me, but Shadoweh has been much worse.
Unvote
Vote Shadoweh
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Edit: And that's L-2
Now off to the theatre!
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Got sidetracked~
Yeah Raikaria is definitely better then Serela by a long shot. He may be apathetic but at least he's putting decent effort in scumhunting.
Although it looks like I'm on a wagon with Shadoweh, so I might have to switch to him for Me Over Not Me purposes.
Blahhhh, let me go read Shadwoeh.
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Welp, I can now clearly understand the wagon on Shadoweh, consider she did FUCKING NOTHING this whole day.
Yeah, not even going to suggest lynching Serela instead here, with Shadoweh there's no hope.
##Unvote
##Vote: Shadoweh (L-1)
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(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc7exmJPKa1qgkmr4.png)
(6) Shadoweh - Conqueror, WHMZakeri, Raikaria, Serela, PX, NekoNekoRex (L-1!)
(4) NekoNekoRex - Polaris, I have no name, Shadoweh, Hero999
(1) Serela - Dormio
(1) Zakeri - Affinity
Not Voting (0): None!
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to hammer. You have about 1 hour and 13 minutes left in the day.
Shadoweh is at L-1!
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huh what keep your deadlines consistent :(
Shadoweh should consider claiming. Nevertheless, I'll hammer at deadline if nobody else does, since I don't really expect a NNR lynch to magically happen at this point.
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Well, there are technically enough people here that we could consolidate on one of the sheeping idiots (we could start a whole new wagon!) but probably not since people hate my baby face. :< (And apparently I'm not allowed to do anything but mafia, you guys seriously suck)
If monkeys throw poop at the wall long enough I'm sure itll eventually hit scum. Let's see if Neko fits the bill.
Don't really like the way you spun suspicion on Raikaria. Could have just said "gut" and been done with it.
Didn't see anything wrong with Raikaria's posts, so I thought the votes on him were bad.
Looks good with the random vote on Raikaria later for 'pressure' . Which after reading the other posts actually looks like he voted Raikaria because he was frustrated people were voting for him. If I were to make a definition of scum flailing that would be it.
Don't like Serela's posts, there's no content there. Dislike lack of stance on current events.
Rest of content seems pretty solid and I unless I come up with something to ask I don't have any more to say
Ironically I'm going to ##Unvote ##Vote: Serela for not having any content handy for the day, still.
Voting Serela for 'no content but content is good but no content' without citing a single bit of Serela's content. This is just making up reasons to vote someone easy. And who's easier then Serela amirite?
Dropped affinity because by the time I actually voted, affinity had moved on to someone else. Aside from that, Affinity looks town to me right now, so the vote was vastly dated.
'Moved on to someone else' doesn't make previous points any less scummy. This sounds alot like the reasoning for voting Serela. There's no citation, no way to tell if this was just plastered on to be an answer or not.
Serela's still useless, I'm not dropping her just yet. Current vote is exactly what's stated on the post I put the vote in. Apathy is bad and Raikaria needs a good old fashioned voteprod to get to work. I don't think it was a waste of time to do it. Will probably reread Raikaria's posts and switch back if.... *checks profile*... he is worth keeping the vote down.Welcome to Mafia! Sometimes you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. Put more effort into convictions if you want to look more town, really.
There was no real reason in that post though. There's no actual attack on the content of anyone's post here, it's just 'is bad. trust me'. He also admits that he hasn't read the person he's currently voting (It's Raikaria. I know, it's hard to tell if you didn't see the vote post.)
I'm pretty satisfied with this as a wagon actually. Stop derping your idiot heads on me and tell me why you're not lynching someone who looks like scum. PS:
People who specify their gender on their profile are the true heroes of MotK
My profile says FEMALE.
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If I were anything important I'd be much angrier that you were trying to lynch me. I'm a vanilla parakeet sporting an ahoge. I'm not sure what an ahoge is actually but the parakeet is cute at least.
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Wwe could get a lynch on Neko if people would stop napping instead of posting in the damn mafia. I'm sure three of you are really enjoying your nap time. Get the hell in here and vote not Shadoweh I don't want to be your president.
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Wow are you kidding me? It's like Shadoweh telepathically called me from my snooze to sneeze at Mafia and two wagons which I vastly dislike.
Yeah, actually I doubt very much that these sort of 4-hour wagons work at all. I don't think all six people on that wagon aren't scum. If Shadoweh is indeed scum, why wouldn't they heap on NNR or Zakeri (if they are town)? It's rather horrible for info as well (how could you tell the scum apart from town on these?)
Would rather take a more strongly established wagon than last minute stuff.
##Unvote
##Vote: NNR
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Hi I'm here give me a second.
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So why are you guys voting Shadoweh, because I'm not seeing it.
I'd rather vote for NNR.
##Unvote
##Vote NekoNekoRex
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TELEPATHIC MIND BULLETS
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TELEPATHIC MIND BULLETS
YOU'VE GOT THAT WRONG!
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(http://i.imgur.com/7Mfgn.jpg)
(6) NekoNekoRex - Polaris, I have no name, Shadoweh, Hero999, Affinity, Dormio (L-1!)
(6) Shadoweh - Conqueror, WHMZakeri, Raikaria, Serela, PX, NekoNekoRex (L-1!)
Not Voting (0): None!
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to hammer. You have about 30 minutes left in the day.
Shadoweh and NekoNekoRex are at L-1!
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Shadoweh and Dormio are at L-1!
I THOUGHT THIS GAME WASN'T BASTARD.
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I THOUGHT THIS GAME WASN'T BASTARD.
HAMMER SHUT UP
Dormio has been lynched!
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whoops nevermind
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Shadoweh and Dormio are at L-1!
Dormio I think huh what has something against you. Damn you cut me fast!
(6) Shadoweh - Conqueror, WHMZakeri, Raikaria, Serela, PX, NekoNekoRex <-- One of you clowns GET IN HERE. Except Neko. I really don't expect Neko to kill himself.
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Dormio I think huh what has something against you. Damn you cut me fast!
(6) Shadoweh - Conqueror, WHMZakeri, Raikaria, Serela, PX, NekoNekoRex <-- One of you clowns GET IN HERE. Except Neko. I really don't expect Neko to kill himself.
I'm in here now but I prefer you being lynched over Neko, like I have all game so far, because Neko's been more active and my gut reads more town than my gut reads on you.
Seriously. That's what it is. Gut feeling.
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Whaaaaaat
Are you kidding me
Shadoweh up till now has made two posts that were serious, and didn't even have that much content, and people are voting me? Shadoweh's just using the advantage that I have more content and therefore more to bitch about.
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You know that's the stupidest defence. Just saying.
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Shadoweh's just using the advantage that I have more content and therefore more to bitch about.
This part, just in case clarification etc.
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It's a stupid defense even if it is rooted in truth.
Why don't you dig up stuff on Shadoweh, or counter her points yourself?
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> Shadoweh didn't have that much content
How would you know? I haven't seen any proof that you've actually read anyone's posts today. :V can you actually link to my posts and point out what's bad? I mean, if they were low content pos's that should be easy!
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Yes, I am currently doing that
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That was @noname
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competing wagons take advantage of each other all the time. Rule of mafia. Not that Shadoweh's points are worth more than last-minute reflections on a thing long past though.
Can we have a claim?
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48 hour days, 24 hour nights. A player must be at L-1 to be a candidate for a deadline lynch. A tie or No Lynch results in universal loss.
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to hammer. You have about 30 minutes left in the day.
We have about 10 mins.
Well hell.
This is for the greater good, even if not my better judgement. I'm not risking universal loss.
Sorry NNR, the game must go on, I hope you understand, and I hope my gut is wrong. The only reason for this is to prevent universal loss.
#Vote NNR
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HAMMER SHUT UP
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(7) NekoNekoRex - Polaris, I have no name, Shadoweh, Hero999, Affinity, Dormio, Raikaria (L-0!)
(5) Shadoweh - Conqueror, WHMZakeri, Serela, PX, NekoNekoRex
Not Voting (0): None!
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m92xjw5jfy1qdht06o2_1280.jpg)
NekoNekoRex - a baby hawk at the zoo - Mafia Goon - flew away Day 1
It is now Night 1. You guys have 24 hours to send in Night Actions. Do not post game-related content in this thread until Day 2. OP updated with links and caps so that Schezo doesn't have an aneurysm.
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It's Hang Man time!
4 letters, go!
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B
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It's Hang ManMafia time!
ftfy
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rawr
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B
rawr
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6 lives left!
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F
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D A T R
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S
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so that Schezo doesn't have an aneurysm.
Schezo if you have time to be reading this you have time to update monopoly!
Also, L
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B
rawr
F
D
S
L
_ _ _ _
2 lives left!
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E
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Y
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And you're dead. Wow, you guys!
I guess I'll let you guess infinitely.
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Q
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H?
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A, C, G, I, J, K, M, N, O, P, R, T, U, V, W, X, Z, μ
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Town.
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Q
No.
H?
No H.
A
_ A _ _
Town.
Nope.
_ A _ _
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F
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I, followed by F and L if it's in the 3rd spot.
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fail
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BARD
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F
Nai.
I, followed by F and L if it's in the 3rd spot.
No I!
fail
No fail!
BARD
Yes?
_ A _ _
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Hero you realize B and D are already out, right?
Also, P.
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Hero you realize B and D are already out, right?
Also, P.
...and?
:<
Z
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V
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Rocks fall and everyone dies.
_ A Z Z
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U
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rawr?
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U
UAZZ? What the fuck is wrong with you? :<
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O!
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Jazz :C
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Jazz :C
$10 price winner. You can pick between Knights of Honor and Europa Universalis: Rome!
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What the fuck how were we ever supposed to infer that the word was Jazz?
shit game 0/10 bg no re report plz.
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Here let me try one
9 letters. 7 misses.
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The prize is...I don't know, it's a mystery.
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mafiascum
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juxtaposition
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antidisestablishmentarianism
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mafiascum
reasonable but no
juxtaposition
what were you thinking
antidisestablishmentarianism
-_-;
9 letters, 4 wrong guesses
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absquatulate
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cantabile
shortcuts
mysterium
comicsans
ranyakumo
shiftaltp
undecided
that's seven right
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urmomsgay
i would like to buy the letter q
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Hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia.
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You guys aren't very good at hangmafia are you? <.<
T for townie obvtown! ^_^
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semipreruniclike
Original word. Do not steal.
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Hemidemisemiquaver
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no, no ,no, no, no, no, no, no ,no
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No: Q T
Hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia.
Hippopotomonstrosesquipedalian.
Pesco and Dormio are both wrong too.
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Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch!
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Chargoggagoggmanchauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg
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Well played, Dongseng.
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huehuehue
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k I'm not even acknowledging troll guesses any more.
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Discrimination.
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アキハバラ
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>:<
M S R
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Bandwagon.
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M S R
None of the above.
Bandwagon.
nope.
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No : M Q R S T
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N Y O
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Quezacotl
Alexander
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N Y O
Progress!
_ O _ _ O _ _ _
No : M N Q R S T Y
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RanYakumo
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X Z K P
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X Z K P
P O _ _ O _ _ _
No : K M N Q R S T X Y Z
you guys are so bad at HangManfia
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C
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I like how you downsized it to 8 letters. 9 letters 2 tuff.
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C
P O _ _ O _ _ _
No : C K M N Q R S T X Y Z
I like how you downsized it to 8 letters. 9 letters 2 tuff.
Misspellings being caught before it's too late ftw?
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A
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Raikaria - a barn owl riding a skateboard - Town Rolecop - left the aviary Night 1
It is now Day 2. You have 48 hours and 20 minutes to decide on a lynch. With 10 alive, it takes 6 to hammer.
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well I guess that evens out
we got a scum lynch d1 and scum nk'd the rolecop
So, time to figure out the scum on Shadoweh's wagon! I'm kind of starving though. So later. (No this isn't going to be like d1 where I dodge having opinions forever, I swear)
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Vote Shadoweh
Her lynch would help clear up most of my feelings about both the wagons, and I feel a double scum wagon D1 is possible, considering how little both of them actually pushed the other.
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nevermind I'm too lazy to eat
Conqueror, WHMZakeri, Serela, PX, NekoNekoRex
Wow suddenly I feel like after my play d1 (Not gonna lie, it totally looks like my scum meta, and I just kind of dodged the nnr with "I don't really like it", had a questionable Zak vote, wagonhopped onto Shadoweh at a wagonswingy time, etc) that I look like the scummiest person on the wagon! This almost made me realize "Oh, I finally didn't ruin a lylo in the previous game!" but it wasn't actually lylo, so nope. And I claimed scum anyway so it's not like I didn't try
Conq, Zak, and PX! Not interested in PX from his activeness d1, Zak you know my opinion on, and I guess I'll need to reread Conq soon
but I'm definitely eating before rereads
cut by lol
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You're still scum Serela, but Shadoweh's flip can make it much more sure.
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For those not keeping track my word last night was "powwowed". It's among the hardest to guess words :3
I'm going to agree with PX, not vote anyone then leave because I have stuff to do.
Yay for random work </3
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##Vote: Conq
If there's one thing I properly learned from my dark, embarrassing past it's that there are never two scum wagons on D1. B(
I love how the end of D1 played out, it clears like half the game. NNR lynch is pretty much a miracle, and scum would probably not bus NNR when Shadoweh was at L-1 for like forever. I'd say everyone on the NNR wagon is clear, at least for now.
Conq and Serela look the worst out of the Shadoweh wagon, and I want to lynch them both. I personally prefer Conq over Serela, but I'll gladly switch to Serela whenever.
Frowning at PX for suggesting double scum wagons, and his near-last-minute switch from NNR to Shadoweh (which was pretty crucial) looks bad, too. I'd say he's a third option.
The final person is Zakeri, but I don't think he's as scummy as the others.
Lynching them all systematically could work too ::)
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My love for Youmu has been cast and reforged by Youkai.
The things my love for Youmu cannot cut are next to none.
Late response but,
Curse you Youmu, giving candy JOBs and offing me!
##Vote: Conq
If there's one thing I properly learned from my dark, embarrassing past it's that there are never two scum wagons on D1. B(
I love how the end of D1 played out, it clears like half the game. NNR lynch is pretty much a miracle, and scum would probably not bus NNR when Shadoweh was at L-1 for like forever. I'd say everyone on the NNR wagon is clear, at least for now.
Conq and Serela look the worst out of the Shadoweh wagon, and I want to lynch them both. I personally prefer Conq over Serela, but I'll gladly switch to Serela whenever.
Frowning at PX for suggesting double scum wagons, and his near-last-minute switch from NNR to Shadoweh (which was pretty crucial) looks bad, too. I'd say he's a third option.
The final person is Zakeri, but I don't think he's as scummy as the others.
Lynching them all systematically could work too ::)
...What the...dude you have nearly no reasons for any of those aside from - No chance of double scum wagon D1, and NNR is a miracle lynch, therefore everyone on shadoweh is a suspect. Which is very very wifomy. I do however support your suspicion of PX's rapid switch end of D1.
@PX: I want you to explain your reasons for why Shadoweh is worse than NNR. They both were near identical in my eyes as a null tell. My sister was the tie breaker.
You stated that Shadoweh is worse than NNR at the very end. But the reasons provided was zip.
##Vote PX
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Oh wow I totally forgot about PX's switch at the very end.
Huh.
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She had done zilch crap in terms of the game and the wagons that happened during the day, which I had noted yesterday. Compared to NNR who at least did something, I thought Shadoweh would have a higher chance and give NNR another day to convince me if he's town or scum.
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(6) Shadoweh - Conqueror, WHMZakeri, Raikaria, Serela, PX, NekoNekoRex
(4) NekoNekoRex - Polaris, I have no name, Shadoweh, Hero999
(1) Serela - Dormio
(1) Zakeri - Affinity
Lynching Shadoweh today is completely and utterly awful, and PX should be hosed down for even suggesting it. I can't imagine that scum would lose control of the game state so completely that they have to resort to a double bus on D1 from this situation (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901441.html#msg901441), when people were still open and vote-able. Also, when was the last time MoTK had a double scum wagon on D1? Never? Cardinal rule of Mafia, scum don't like to bus on D1 and will try their best not to. Take it from the superbusser. Furthermore, controlling 3 out of 12 votes, there is very little way there can be two scum wagons on D1.
Shadoweh is probably (95%) town, so yeah. So are most people on the NNR wagon early on. In fact, following this, we should be focusing down on people who tried to heap onto Shadoweh as a counterwagon to NNR yesterday, such as Conqueror, Zakeri, Serela and PX. Definitely at least one scum among those four, most likely two.
##Vote: Zakeri
Votes Ralkaria early game for these vote-parky reasons (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901317.html#msg901317), revealed after questioning. Prods NNR on some minor issue here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901265.html#msg901265) while not voting him (when he was at only 3 votes), and is completely satisfied with his answer. Goes after Shadoweh here (http://here) once possibility opens up (when he had not once mentioned him before, correct me if I'm wrong), given that Ralkaria wagon seemed to be waning.
What Zak and Conq have in common is that they both prodded NNR for nit-picky reasons (URL=http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901284.html#msg901284]Conq's post here[/URL]) and then seemed to be pacified by NNR's flurry of posts starting from here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901363.html#msg901363), then both of them switched to Shadoweh. In hindsight, it merely seems like an artificial Q&A compared to Polaris' and co's efforts, and I would like them to tell us what exactly made NNR look good to them afterwards
Of course, PX switching to Shadoweh all of a sudden at such an important moment is bad, and his trying to justify it today is terrible. I endorse that line of questioning as well.
@PX: Why not Serela, or Dormio, and why did it take so long for you to realise that? You were all fire and brimstone on NNR and Ralkaria here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901393.html#msg901393), then you wake up and hate Shadoweh more.
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Vote Shadoweh
Her lynch would help clear up most of my feelings about both the wagons, and I feel a double scum wagon D1 is possible, considering how little both of them actually pushed the other.
choo choo let's pretend yesterday never happened and that Shadoweh didn't immediately swing onto Neko and realize he sounded scummier then a Serela in a scumpile. Let's also pretend this is the worst logic in the universe (it is) and that you never said it. Who else is scum?
Wow suddenly I feel like after my play d1 (Not gonna lie, it totally looks like my scum meta, and I just kind of dodged the nnr with "I don't really like it", had a questionable Zak vote, wagonhopped onto Shadoweh at a wagonswingy time, etc) that I look like the scummiest person on the wagon! This almost made me realize "Oh, I finally didn't ruin a lylo in the previous game!" but it wasn't actually lylo, so nope. And I claimed scum anyway so it's not like I didn't try
Conq, Zak, and PX! Not interested in PX from his activeness d1, Zak you know my opinion on, and I guess I'll need to reread Conq soon
Is this your new attempt at scummeta, to tell us all the ways you were scummy as town and scum so it doesn't look weird when you do it all the time? :V Scum paranoia says that the entire Neko wagon isn't clear actually, even on miracle scum wagons there's someone looking for a bus.
(7) NekoNekoRex - Polaris, I have no name, Shadoweh, Hero999, Affinity, Dormio, Raikaria (L-0!)
So... hmm. I would normally say Affinity being on the scum wagon is suspicious, but him and Dormio appeared out of nowhere. They probably could have lurked it out? Hero, Polaris or No name. Will look into later. Getting bitten
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I never went against a NNR lynch, I was just more appealed to the Shadoweh one at the time because of all the jumps. It seemed more likely wagon to reach a lynch until suddenly everyone appeared and voted NNR when I wasn't here. Dormio has slated personal reasons, and Serela.... At least had opinions and posted in the thread? Also, Shadoweh is not confirmed town until she flips town or a flipped cop says so. The wagon on her was completely thrown out of nowhere, and the way they jumped on each other wasn't as enthusiastic. Shadoweh's flip would all but confirm the alignments of the ones who swung her wagon onto the board.
Cut: Immediate thought is Serela.
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I love how the end of D1 played out, it clears like half the game. NNR lynch is pretty much a miracle, and scum would probably not bus NNR when Shadoweh was at L-1 for like forever. I'd say everyone on the NNR wagon is clear, at least for now.
Not only is this statement not true, I think it's self-contradictory. NNR lynch miraculously going through when Shadoweh was at L-1 (we'll assume the case here when Shadoweh is town) is why I suspect that at least one scum was on the NNR wagon; they could have miscalculated because they thought the Shadoweh wagon was a sure thing and jumped on to get the free towncred (see Zak on Raitaki from last game and like a bajillion other examples of scum bussing), or maybe NNR was supposed to claim something cool (except Raikaria hammered early and prevented that). Also, the Shadoweh wagon was literally built from out of nowhere in about 2-3 hours...so where are you getting that Shadoweh was at L-1 for like forever?
Conq and Serela look the worst out of the Shadoweh wagon, and I want to lynch them both. I personally prefer Conq over Serela, but I'll gladly switch to Serela whenever.
Frowning at PX for suggesting double scum wagons, and his near-last-minute switch from NNR to Shadoweh (which was pretty crucial) looks bad, too. I'd say he's a third option.
The final person is Zakeri, but I don't think he's as scummy as the others.
Not liking Polaris blanketly condemning half the people on the Shadoweh wagon on the basis of Shadoweh being the scum counterwagon. It's a valid start, but I don't like the way Polaris has boiled this down to SCUM WERE DEF ON SHADOWEH and is basically lining up lynches. Let's start with me. You think I'm scum? Explain why I'm scum~
I'm actually curious at to why scum decided to kill off the NNR wagon N1. At the very least, it means they're not scared of PoE.
Affinity: Nit-picky questioning? My questions were no less valid then Polaris's so I want you to explain what the difference is, in your words. The reason I switched off of NNR after his flurry of posts was that he gave acceptable, if flimsy reasoning, for the queries I gave him, and more importantly, he started actively scumhunting...unlike Shadoweh, who ignored the query I put at her in favour of a votepark on IHNN. Which is why I switched to her.
I actually have a few questions for you, Affinity. Why didn't you like the NNR wagon in the first place?
I don't like the NNR wagon; when people who were originally buttting heads with each other (Polaris, PX) heap lethargically on the same easy target, something is up. Not that I can disagree with what has been raised against him, but when he has refrained from going after PX when it was cool and went after me instead, I think he's not bad as of yet.
I don't see how Polaris and PX were butting heads, first of all, and why that should absolve NNR from being possible scum. Second of all, when was going after PX cool? The only person who went after PX was...Polaris? Feels like flimsy reasoning for avoiding NNR when you supposedly didn't disagree with the points against him.
Second of all, there's your voteswitch to NNR based on this reasoning.
Wow are you kidding me? It's like Shadoweh telepathically called me from my snooze to sneeze at Mafia and two wagons which I vastly dislike.
Yeah, actually I doubt very much that these sort of 4-hour wagons work at all. I don't think all six people on that wagon aren't scum. If Shadoweh is indeed scum, why wouldn't they heap on NNR or Zakeri (if they are town)? It's rather horrible for info as well (how could you tell the scum apart from town on these?)
...which is precondemning the people on the Shadoweh wagon before the flip. Why couldn't all 6 people on a flash wagon be town, especially if you disliked both the main wagons so it's not a question of scum rushing for a counterwagon? Second of all, NNR ended up being scum despite a flurry of people heaping on to him for minimal reasons at the end of the day. What do you think of that?
Anyway, will be back with a vote when I've reread. Not interested in PX or Zak (I think). Serela could be town too despite the terribleness. I actually think I'll be voting one of Affinity or Polaris.
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No you didn't. You just said that Raikaria looked much worse. Sounds more like you wanted a Raikaria wagon to spring up instead of both you and NNR and jumped on the biggest wagon so that it didn't look weird. Hell, you only threw in reasoning after you were put to L-1
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Shadoweh is probably (95%) town, so yeah. So are most people on the NNR wagon early on. In fact, following this, we should be focusing down on people who tried to heap onto Shadoweh as a counterwagon to NNR yesterday, such as Conqueror, Zakeri, Serela and PX. Definitely at least one scum among those four, most likely two.
Oh, I missed this gem. Two scum in these four people means that all three scum were on Shadoweh at the end of the day. And you're pushing this as the most likely scenario?
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Oh right Affinity, you have your order wrong. I woke up and noticed Shadoweh was missing for the game, then went hellfire and brimstone on NNR and Raikaria
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I agree with everything Conq is saying, but I am still pushing Shadoweh scum.
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Timeline of events:
Conq votes Shadoweh <- starting a flashwagon out of almost nowhere looks scummy, especially as a counter to NNR wagon
Zak votes Shadoweh
Raikaria votes Shadoweh
(3) NekoNekoRex - PX, Polaris, I have no name
(3) Shadoweh - Conqueror, WHMZakeri, Raikaria
(2) Raikaria - Hero999, NekoNekoRex
(2) Zakeri - Serela, Affinity
(1) I have no name - Shadoweh
(1) Serela - Dormio
Serela votes Shadoweh (L-3)
Shadoweh votes NNR (L-3)
Hero votes NNR (L-2) <- Pushes the NNR wagon ahead of Shadoweh (townish)
PX switches from NNR to Shadoweh (Shadoweh L-2, NNR L-3) <- Shadoweh ahead of NNR (scummy)
NNR votes Shadoweh (L-1)
Affinity and Dormio vote NNR (L-1) <- if Shadoweh was at L-1 and these two were scum then there would be absolutely no reason for them to show up out of nowhere and bus their partner.
People who post after both of them are at L-1:
Dormio, Shadoweh, IHNN, Affinity (on NNR wagon) and Raikaria, NNR (on Shadoweh wagon)
Affinity, Dormio, Shadoweh are clear. If IHNN was scum, then there would've been no reason to not switch to Shadoweh or give any indication of such. IHNN is likely town.
The last person left is Hero, who is of dubious townness but I'll give him credit for temporarily pushing the NNR wagon ahead of Shadoweh, which is a stupid action as scum.
By Hempel's Raven (Umineko ver.) the remaining scum are on the Shadoweh wagon.
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By your reasoning, you're completely throwing out the notion of scum bussing, which is the exact reasoning why scum bus in the first place. Your clears are not that solid.
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Affinity and Dormio vote NNR (L-1) <- if Shadoweh was at L-1 and these two were scum then there would be absolutely no reason for them to show up out of nowhere and bus their partner.
Affinity, Dormio, Shadoweh are clear. If IHNN was scum, then there would've been no reason to not switch to Shadoweh or give any indication of such. IHNN is likely town.
By Hempel's Raven (Umineko ver.) the remaining scum are on the Shadoweh wagon.
they could have miscalculated because they thought the Shadoweh wagon was a sure thing and jumped on to get the free towncred (see Zak on Raitaki from last game and like a bajillion other examples of scum bussing), or maybe NNR was supposed to claim something cool (except Raikaria hammered early and prevented that).
Pretty cool timeline, but I already addressed why potential scum might put a buddy at risk in such a situation. See for example how I (Futo) handled bussing Nue on D2 in Ten Desires Mafia (not a perfect example, but if I looked hard enough I could find one that fit your specifications). The biggest problem that I have with your clears is that you're treating them as fact...when they're not. That's the most suspicious part of all this; this plus the notion I'm getting that you're satisfied with just lynching all the remaining people on the Shadoweh wagon. Polaris, since when were you so confident as town, clearing people as hard town left and right for spurious reasons?
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EBWOP: Well, the comparison with me in Ten Desires bussing Nue is that I would be in Polaris' position in this game. I'll have to reread to see if it makes sense in context. But this whole schtick of yours is pretty terrible reasoning overall. I'd almost be willing to call Polaris/Affinity except that zero scum on the Shadoweh wagon is almost as lulzy as both scum being on the Shadoweh wagon (not to say it couldn't happen...but it's just weird).
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EBWODP: Oh, except that it's not possible that zero scum were on the Shadoweh wagon, because NNR was on it! Slightly better.
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Just gonna throw this, but BT was bussing Serela back in Adorible Mafia. He got all the way to LyLo.
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It is undeniable that there is at least one scum on the Shadoweh wagon, unless people want to imply that both scum bussed NNR against an all-town wagon on Shadoweh. Meanwhile, there is a possibility that the second scum bussed NNR, but also the possibility that they didn't. I personally don't think that they did, but regardless, it's incredibly stupid to try and look for the scum that was supposedly bussing NNR instead of looking for the scum guaranteed to be on the Shadoweh wagon.
Re: Conq - ha ha no scum being on shadoweh what is this
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Well, yeah etc. This is all theory talk. I'll go through the ISO's later because bussing is bussing and yada yada yada. We can bring up examples of such and such happening til eternity but the jist is that Polaris, your hard clears are pretty bad.
PX, as much as I would like Shadoweh to be scum based on her D1 play, the odds of dual scum wagons both being at L-1 on day one are pretty astronomical, plus I'm getting a marginal town read from her post today.
It is undeniable that there is at least one scum on the Shadoweh wagon, unless people want to imply that both scum bussed NNR against an all-town wagon on Shadoweh. Meanwhile, there is a possibility that the second scum bussed NNR, but also the possibility that they didn't. I personally don't think that they did, but regardless, it's incredibly stupid to try and look for the scum that was supposedly bussing NNR instead of looking for the scum guaranteed to be on the Shadoweh wagon.
Nope, bullshit of the highest order. How you would ever think this as town I don't know. If you are town think about what you're saying.
Here, I have a scenario for NNR/Polaris/Affinity scumteam. Polaris puts a vote on NNR for pressure, while Affinity counters by discrediting the wagon for weird reasons and pushing on Zak. Polaris leaves his vote on NNR the rest of the day. Later, I form a flash wagon on Shadoweh, dissolving the Zakeri and Raikaria counterwagons to NNR. The wagon gets pretty close to lynch pretty quickly. Polaris notes that NNR will probably not be lynched and expresses willingness to move to Shadoweh if need be. Affinity jumps onto NNR for the cred using the reasoning of "established wagons," but is confident that NNR will not be lynched, even with Dormio's L-1. Meanwhile NNR prepares a claim that he'll pull out at deadline that will save him (notice he hadn't claimed at the end of day yesterday) and Affinity prompts him for it, except that Raikaria quickhammers him, ruining that plan. Polaris and Affinity hope to abuse the towncred they get from bussing NNR by lynching everyone on the Shadoweh wagon.
Is this definitely right? No, but it's one plausible scenario. There are lots of others like it, and your blanket dismissal all of them to look for a so-called "guaranteed scum" is pretty scummy given your stated reasoning and the fact that nothing is guaranteed in mafia.
Cut: But scum was on Shadoweh. NNR voted Shadoweh. :3
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Now that I think about it, Conq ignoring the obvious scum on the Shadoweh wagon and skipping directly to trying to poke holes in my/Affinity's arguments is kind of suspicious. Conq, are you scum?
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Conq, if you disagree that at least one scum is on the Shadoweh wagon, just say so instead of spinning a conspiracy theory.
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You asking me if I am scum WHEN YOU ARE APPARENTLY VOTING ME FOR BEING SCUM is pretty terrible. It means that your vote on me was a votepark and that you didn't actually think that I was scum. Proof that you're just blindly lynching on the wagon.
Who's the obvious scum on the Shadoweh wagon, by the way? Serious question. Please answer.
##Vote: Polaris
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Now that I think about it, Conq ignoring the obvious scum on the Shadoweh wagon and skipping directly to trying to poke holes in my/Affinity's arguments is kind of suspicious. Conq, are you scum?
To re-iterate, this statement makes it sound like Polaris is having a sort of "revelation" that I might be scum, except...he's already voting me for being scum. ::)
Cut: I'm not making any statements about how many scum were or weren't on the Shadoweh wagon because I DON'T KNOW. What I do know is that the way you're pushing this is incredibly scummy.
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I used the word 'guaranteed' relatively, not absolutely, as I assumed that everyone shared my idea that there is scum on the Shadoweh wagon. Maybe my assumption was too daring? Even so, it's incredibly stupid to try to pin someone as scum just because "nothing is ever guaranteed in mafia".
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Even so, it's incredibly stupid to try to pin someone as scum just because "nothing is ever guaranteed in mafia".
I don't even know that that means. If you want a case on you you'll get a case; I'll write one up later to see if I still agree with my vote. In the meanwhile you can also make a case on me, if you want!
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Instead of putting up with Conq's hostility and insanity I would like to pose a question to everyone else.
What do you, personally, think occurred on D1?
- Both scum were on the Shadoweh wagon
- 1 scum was on Shadoweh and 1 scum bussed NNR
- Both scum bussed NNR
It would be nice if you just picked one, but feel free to choose two, indicating the likeliest and the second likeliest.
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Oh and I personally think that it is the first: that both scum were on the Shadoweh wagon. In case it wasn't obvious.
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Reiterating for Polaris. I'm asking nicely. :3
Who's the obvious scum on the Shadoweh wagon, by the way? Serious question. Please answer.
Also, do you think I'm scum? This is also a serious question.
Cut: That's a stupid question because it's impossible to tell. Why would scenarios like that be relevant? The point is that you take wagon analysis as a starting point and work from there, not lock yourself into a position that may or may not be true. 1 scum on and 1 scum off seems "likely" because that's how these wagons usually turn out, but an individual game is an individual game; we're not talking overall statistics.
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(Also, explain where and how I was being hostile, just for reference. I like to make games enjoyable instead of a race to the bottom.)
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So you're suggesting that all 3 scum were piled on Shadoweh? That's one of the silliest things scum can ever do. Personally, I think the bussing scum is Shadoweh and NNR, so the last scum can be on either wagon.
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PX, so who's the last scum? I think you suggested Serela/Shadoweh/NNR earlier? That scumteam doesn't make any sense if you think about their interactions.
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EBWOP: I'm not actually advocating hunting for scumpairs on D2, I just want to know who else PX thinks is scum besides Shadoweh (really think this is the wrong direction for today).
I'm going to do something else for a bit before I wear out my keyboard.
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Yes, I think you're scum, and I think Serela is scum. You two can probably be scum together, even.
Where am I asking overall statistics? I'm asking each person for their opinion on what happened in this individual game, on D1.
I'm asking this question specifically because it works as a starting point because then we can take a step closer to making a collective decision on who the scum is, and lynch them.
Re: Conq - it is hostile because your asahina avatar is looking at me funny :(
Re: PX - thank you for your contribution c:
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Instead of putting up with Conq's hostility and insanity I would like to pose a question to everyone else.
What do you, personally, think occurred on D1?
- Both scum were on the Shadoweh wagon
- 1 scum was on Shadoweh and 1 scum bussed NNR
- Both scum bussed NNR
It would be nice if you just picked one, but feel free to choose two, indicating the likeliest and the second likeliest.
PX reminded me that there is a fourth option: Shadoweh might be scum, and the other two bussed both of them (in any configuration). I didn't even consider it as a possibility but PX thinks so so I guess I should add it to the list.
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That is to say, the other one bussed either one of them. I am a derp.
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Cool, so you think I'm scum (I don't suppose you'll tell me why but if you would be so kind to do so that would be appreciated). So could you explain the following quote in context?
Now that I think about it, Conq ignoring the obvious scum on the Shadoweh wagon and skipping directly to trying to poke holes in my/Affinity's arguments is kind of suspicious. Conq, are you scum?
Considering that you were already voting me for being scum, I don't get the perspective in this quote because it indicates that you're coming over to the initial idea that I'm scum. Could you elaborate?
As for the statistics, how do you expect hunting based on statistics to be more productive/accurate than hunting based on words/interactions/cases? It seems more like a massive distraction than anything else, moreover because I don't know how you would use that sort of information even after you've collected it. How would this help (serious question); say you get a hypothetical spread of 3/3/3/1, how is that useful at all, or at the very least more useful than just hunting for scum individually?
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I'm more looking at individual play for scum than interactions, considering how half the votes yesterday were basically crap jumps for the sake of lynch. Right now Shadoweh and Serela fit the description best, but I'll look over more when I get home.
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I am indeed advocating that scum heaped its total weight on Shadoweh as a counterwagon to a scum wagon. 6 votes on flipped scum, 6 votes on what is now probtown. A delicate balance, teetering between a scumflip which would give heavy info for town on D2 as well as Shadoweh being more or less cleared, and one of the mislynches required for scum to win. Where do you think the scum are? What do you think scum would do? Throw fits?
Not interested in Conq's conspiracy theory about 'miscalculating' the wagon balance at the end. I could have just went back to sleep and there was no way Shadoweh would not be lynched, much more important than any bussing cred. Pretty outlandish especially from him, much more so than say, definitely one scum on Shadoweh which he seems to lambasting for some reason. If anyone takes it seriously do tell me, but I'll be ignoring any further discussion on it for now.
I acknowledge that my reasons for clearing NNR were weak. ED1 (first few pages), people were angry with PX and were voting him down, and NNR was original in voting me. I'm a stickler for originality. In any case, I preferred my pet case on Zakeri far more.
At the end, the NNR wagon had several advocates who believed in it from mid-D1, compared to the Shadoweh wagon which amounts to a lurker lynch that everyone seemed happy with + some half-hearted IHNN reason from the beginning. The earlier was the lesser of the two evils for me. Compare the LLD lynch on D2 for So You Want to be Townest Mafia.
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As of right now Zakeri is rather ehhh, I dislike Polaris's reasoning but I can see town pushing that, Shadoweh could still be scum but she can wait another day, "yay D! scum lunch", Affinity is town, PX is probably town and so is Conq.
I need to think about Serela some more, Dormio needs to do stuff, and who else is playing?
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Conq claims that his vote was equal in strength to that of Polaris. I disagree.
Let's quote his votepost (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901284.html#msg901284)with a few alterations.
Noname's posts make you frown, but which ones?
Votes on Ralkaria make you frown too, but which ones?
Conq's posts make you happy, but which ones?
NNR's response (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901363.html#msg901363):
#43
Don't see anything wrong with Ralkaria, so yeah they are bad.
Gut, and they make me happy.
After this, despite the last two answers being exact repetitions of their corresponding questions, Conq is completely satisfied with NNR without further reasoning, to the point where he prefers a Zak lynch to an NNR lynch. Compare this to Polaris where he votes NNR for what he sees as a flimsy vote on me (a more pressing matter than the above), and continues pressing him towards the end of the day, such as here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901451.html#msg901451), most importantly keeping his vote. Conq's vote on NNR is pretty flimsy and similar to a vote-park for possible town cred.
Notice how NNR also dislikes Polaris for voting him and having gut on Ralkaria, and liked Conq who did more or less the same.
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(man i fuckin love these pigeons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink-necked_Green_Pigeon) they're like rainbow sherbet ice cream only a bird)
(1) Conqueror - Polaris
(1) Polaris - Conqueror
(1) PX - Hero999
(1) Shadoweh - PX
(1) Zakeri - Affinity
Not Voting (5): Dormio, I have no name, Serela, Shadoweh, Zakeri
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to hammer. You have about 43 hours and 14 minutes left in the day.
Friendly reminder that I'm liable to accidentally skip over your votes if you don't ## them.
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Oh, and Conq seems to forget that scum do not want to commit themselves to a claim as far as possible, especially when there is a town lynch in front of their faces. Why dance with trackers and cops N1 when you could hold it off till N2?
@Polaris, Obviously, at least one scum on Shadoweh wagon.
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Affinity:
First, I'll address my vote; as I explained to Raikaria yesterday, these are why I asked NNR these questions:
Unspecific jab at noname without talking about which post he thought was bad or why
Soft defense of raikaria without talking about why votes on raikaria are bad
Soft buddying of me, saying he liked my posts when I made like 2 and they were both focusing on one person.
In short, throwing dirt at someone without saying what's bad about them, throwing dirt at the people on Raikaria's wagon without saying what's bad about that, and then buddying up to me for no reason.
Now, let's look at Polaris's posts on NNR:
##Unvote
##Vote NekoNekoRex
I can actually get around the idea of lynching NNR today. The Affinity vote looks like it came out of nowhere and I don't understand why he needed to "drop PX" when he was holding onto a jokevote on Conq the whole time.
Would like to see NNR's updated stances on Raikaria/Serela. NNR doesn't look like he's looking for scum; the voteprod on Raikaria makes him look like he's doing something, but I don't see any intention of lynching the scums.
"Affinity vote came out of nowhere." Personally I thought the vote was weird but not scummy. Affinity, you yourself said that it was an original vote and so it wasn't that bad, so I'm wonder how this makes Polaris's attack on NNR supertown to you. His later post presses NNR with a vague statement on him not updating his stances while leaving an option open for a jump to Shadoweh at the end of the day.
So I'm pretty miffed at you describing my vote as a votepark and flimsy when my reasons were actually pretty decent. As for why I switched off NNR, as I said before it wasn't for his response. Sometime all townies can give you is "gut," and sometimes you just have to accept that and move on. By then he was being semi-proactive with his vote, and the number of people "not seeing the NNR wagon" and even attacking me for being on it was vastly frustrating, so I decided to look at the rest of the game and found Shadoweh suspicious for ignoring me earlier, and the rest of her content was just as bad. What was your opinion on Shadoweh yesterday?
Notice how NNR also dislikes Polaris for voting him and having gut on Ralkaria, and liked Conq who did more or less the same.
Funny thing that. NNR disliked Polaris at the beginning of the day and apparently liked my posts when all I did was attack Polaris. So why did NNR never vote Polaris in the beginning of the day? (He kept his vote parked on me instead before moving to Affinity).
Getting to the other post.
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Oh, and Conq seems to forget that scum do not want to commit themselves to a claim as far as possible, especially when there is a town lynch in front of their faces. Why dance with trackers and cops N1 when you could hold it off till N2?
Scum do want to claim as late as possible, either to prevent a lynch on themselves or to otherwise create confusion. How did I "forget" this?
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I am indeed advocating that scum heaped its total weight on Shadoweh as a counterwagon to a scum wagon. 6 votes on flipped scum, 6 votes on what is now probtown. A delicate balance, teetering between a scumflip which would give heavy info for town on D2 as well as Shadoweh being more or less cleared, and one of the mislynches required for scum to win. Where do you think the scum are? What do you think scum would do? Throw fits?
This is a nice bit of rhetoric that doesn't say anything, but I'll answer it. As I said before, I'm pretty sure there was at least one scum on the NNR wagon. I don't see PX as scum, and Zak/Serela as the remaining scum is preposterous. Even if we want to say that the late votes on the NNR wagon are town, how does that absolve the earlier voters on the NNR wagon? If the Shadoweh wagon is already going through, they don't have to lift a finger. The idea that scum dissolved the existing two counterwagons to NNR (Zakeri and Raikaria) to all pile onto a Hail Mary Shadoweh wagon is pretty preposterous. Scum aren't afraid to bus fellow mafia under pressure on D1, especially if the player is a mafia goon. You're suggesting that all three scum decided that the two existing counterwagons didn't have enough support, so they decided to all push Shadoweh in the hopes that her lynch would miraculously go through? And in the meanwhile, 7 townies, five of which hadn't mentioned NNR significantly throughout the day, suddenly found it in themselves to pile onto town over scum? As you said yesterday:
If Shadoweh is indeed scum, why wouldn't they heap on NNR or Zakeri (if they are town)? It's rather horrible for info as well (how could you tell the scum apart from town on these?)
But substituting NNR for Shadoweh.
So where do I think scum is? I think 1/1 is possible, but I'm not going to work under the assumption that that's the case and end up looking for a phantom scummember on a wagon where they don't exist. So why are you pigeonholing yourself into this and more importantly, ignoring everyone on the NNR wagon?
Not interested in Conq's conspiracy theory about 'miscalculating' the wagon balance at the end. I could have just went back to sleep and there was no way Shadoweh would not be lynched, much more important than any bussing cred. Pretty outlandish especially from him, much more so than say, definitely one scum on Shadoweh which he seems to lambasting for some reason. If anyone takes it seriously do tell me, but I'll be ignoring any further discussion on it for now.
What about the miscalculation? If scum were waiting for an NNR claim to save him, then the odds were strongly in his favour of him surviving the day given general mafia etiquette and Shadoweh would have been lynched anyway. There's no way to know because of Raikaria's derphammer. I'm not adverse to one scum on Shadoweh, but I am extremely adverse to making the assumption that scum is on a wagon and lynching systemically throughout those players in search for these scum, which Polaris seems to be doing. Wagons are there for the info; you take the info and use it along with everything else. Polaris hasn't done any of that; he's assuming the situation that there is scum on a wagon and working from there. That's working from a conclusion and fitting your analysis to go with it, not the other way around as it should be. I'm extremely wary of you, Affinity, for doing something similar.
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tl;dr hunting for people based on phantom theory is scummy when you should be hunting for them based on their individual posts/votes and on interactions. This is why I'm voting Polaris over Affinity.
And just because some people might be confused, I don't have a problem with looking for scum in [Conqueror, PX, Zakeri, Serela]; incidentally if I were to pick one scum out of those four it woudl be Zakeri. But I do have a problem with ignoring everyone else under the faulty assumption that the remaining scum would be in these four.
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EBWODP: Also, I'm not actually pushing Affinity/Polaris scumbuddies atm. >_> I was giving an example to counteract Polaris. I don't think that pairing is impossible but it's not a priority for me right now.
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I'm not adverse to one scum on Shadoweh, but I am extremely adverse to making the assumption that scum is on a wagon and lynching systemically throughout those players in search for these scum, which Polaris seems to be doing. Wagons are there for the info; you take the info and use it along with everything else. Polaris hasn't done any of that; he's assuming the situation that there is scum on a wagon and working from there. That's working from a conclusion and fitting your analysis to go with it, not the other way around as it should be. I'm extremely wary of you, Affinity, for doing something similar.
Okay, this clarifies things. If this is what you are working up to, then fine, we'll stop the scum-wagon thingy here. Would just like to say that I am not necessarily adverse to the idea of one scum on NNR as well, just that looking at Shadoweh wagon is my first priority.
The point is that Polaris kept his vote on NNR (rightfully calling his vote on Serela rather tentative, for example), while you did not, unvoting in a situation where every vote counted towards NNR's lynch. While your explanation after the fact sounds reasonable, I don't think you could expect many to glean all of that off your exchange with NNR, especially when he voted Serela.
Furthermore saying that he was leaving an opening for switching to Shadoweh sort of pales in comparison to switching to Shadoweh in the first place, and that if there was any time to switch, it would be when Shadoweh was at 6 votes with an hour left in the day, especially when one could blend with the myriad people voting her already and all of a sudden. There was no need for NNR to claim anything in this case.
Bleh, I just think the possible cases on you, Zakeri, PX, and Serela are far stronger than the ones against the people who voted NNR for D1. That's what wagon analysis of flipped scum is for. Perhaps I can look closer at other people on NNR, but whatever.
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As for my opinion on Shadoweh, I lumped her with Dormio and co, people whom I would have liked to see disappear but not waste a lynch on. I was not very much impressed on her last-minute stuff on NNR either, just that I firmly believed that a magic desperado lynch with no foundation whatsoever could never lynch scum, for scum would not let that happen.
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Would just like to say that I am not necessarily adverse to the idea of one scum on NNR as well, just that looking at Shadoweh wagon is my first priority.
Bleh, I just think the possible cases on you, Zakeri, PX, and Serela are far stronger than the ones against the people who voted NNR for D1. That's what wagon analysis of flipped scum is for.
I'm going to bed shortly, but these are pretty much my viewpoint on the matter as well
sure there could be a scum who was on NNR but it's probably -easier- to find a scum that was on Shadoweh
I'm extremely doubtful that -both- of the other scum would be on NNR, hardbussing him D1 when the Shadoweh lynch was incredibly doable without incrimination would have been too easy. And I'm also extremely doubtful of double scum wagon d1. Double scum wagon d1 is possible but it's NOT what you look for before any other options, without a -very- good reason >_>
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hardbussing him D1 when the Shadoweh lynch was incredibly doable without incrimination would have been too easy
proof that I'm too tired to post
meant that it'd be too easy to lynch shadoweh instead etc, reprecussions of letting the lynch go through are much worse, blah blah bedtime
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Affinity: Okay, fair enough. Can't really defend against being wrong, but at least I understand where you're coming from. I still want Polaris to answer my last query to him when he next gets in though; as it is he's not trying to make a distinction between the different people on the wagon he's voting, or at least he hasn't made such a distinction clear.
Aside from Polaris, I don't really have a problem with the rest of the people on the NNR wagon as is (but pending content today ofc). Hero and IHNN look fine, Dormio is ???/needs to post more but I don't think he's scummy?, and Affinity looks reasonably town after the latest exchange. My best guess out of ~*the four*~ is still Zak, but I'll look over that tomorrow.
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So I want to lynch Serela and Raikaria.
##Vote Serela
I have no idea how much of this content will be original, but let's roll with it.
Firstly, PX's weird thing at the beginning of the game.
Encouraging a wagon on Serela right as the game starts doesn't do too much to advance it, either.
You're forcing the players to take a side on a player who has done fuck-all this game so far.
Doesn't this look a bit overly defensive of Serela?
Especially when you take into consideration that NNR never voted for or expressed suspicion of PX, so all of his posts surrounding PX's behaviour is nothing but admonishing PX for voting Serela and encouraging others to do so with him.
It looks like he might be picking up something here:
So you're trying to get a policy lynch on Serela because of meta? That's seriously your only reason? And you're serious about this? What happened to actual scumhunting?
... but it amounts to nothing as he dismisses PX in his next post as being right or something?
I just don't understand why NNR would be so fixated on keeping PX from voting for Serela.
There's also the part where NNR votes for Serela for doing nothing, whilst making absolutely no mention of others doing the same thing until it comes to the time where he has to vote Shadoweh as per "not me over me".
Of course, that's all about NNR, what about Serela himself?
He is oh-so-adamant about not lynching NNR for whatever reason, and oh-so-adamant about voteparking Zakeri.
He even admits that he doesn't really have a reason to even vote for Zakeri here:
Zakeri's posts seem like... forgettable as Affinity said? He does a small poke on a few small things and mostly has posted fluff or content that's unimportant. He doesn't explicitly feel like scum, but it's worse then anyone -else- I'm seeing, so it's where I'd place my bets right now.
sure there could be a scum who was on NNR but it's probably -easier- to find a scum that was on Shadoweh
And what the fuck is this shit?
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which is easier to find dormio
the bussing scum that may not even actually exist, or the scum riding Shadoweh's end of day rush wagon that is practically guaranteed to contain at least one
Of course, this is polarizing the subject based on wagons a little too far, but whatever, I haven't gotten to my rereads yet because I've been busy and then too tired after I wasn't
In any case, why are you wanting to lynch the person who actually hammered the scum when Shadoweh could totally have been deadline lynched instead, not to mention past experience showing Raikaria will be batshit as either alignment so the silly d1 play is whatever
serious question there by the way, you haven't explained why you want Raikaria lynched yet and I find it to be a questionable prospect so I am highly curious as to your reasoning :D
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which is easier to find dormio
the bussing scum that may not even actually exist, or the scum riding Shadoweh's end of day rush wagon that is practically guaranteed to contain at least one
Neither. Scum is annoying to find wherever it goes.
In any case, why are you wanting to lynch the person who actually hammered the scum when Shadoweh could totally have been deadline lynched instead, not to mention past experience showing Raikaria will be batshit as either alignment so the silly d1 play is whatever
Clarify what you mean by deadline lynch please.
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Raikaria - a barn owl riding a skateboard - Town Roleclop - left the aviary Night 1
So I want to lynch Serela and Raikaria.
serious question there by the way, you haven't explained why you want Raikaria lynched yet and I find it to be a questionable prospect so I am highly curious as to your reasoning :D
Read the game pl0x
Anyways bedtime, it's 3 AM so all I'm doing is this snarkpost until tomorrow
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Wait shit.
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So Serela who is scum? Going to sleep.
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I need to be less busy.
It amuses me that Serela seems to have gone along with it though.
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I guess that explains that nagging feeling I was getting though.
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my memory isn't exactly a glorious example of reliability, just ask Shadoweh or Huhwhat
PX:Haven't reread yet but that will happen after I get my sleep, Zak is at the least A Kind Of Bad Read, and conq is TBA but the next most likely that I'll have a bad read on
Anyway, by deadline lynch I mean "Someone on NNR's wagon switches over for the sake of getting anyone lynched before deadline kicks in", I'm not sure what the actual deadline lynch mechanics are with double l-1, maybe HW would flip a coin or something, even so the results of that would probably -still- be more hopeful for scum but not really what I meant
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A tie or No Lynch results in universal loss.
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Also:
So Serela who is scum?
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itt dormio can't read my posts (Sure you might not think the answer is adequate but I clearly stated that a better one isn't coming until after sleep, beating dead horse=pointless)
but thanks for the clarification from the rules :D
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It sounds like a pretty wishy-washy stance on Zakeri. You know, the same one you had yesterday. :derp:
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When I said I would post later i meant I have been too busy to sleep and will vote Polaris for being scummy.
##Vote: Polaris
Immediately coming back to seeing Serela and Dormio having serious discussions about why the dead person is scum probably doesn't help my brain. Serela as scum might have actually forgotten who they killed with Dormio acting like he's still alive, but Dormio probably isn't scum for forgetting. So at least there's that.
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PX's clarification was more than enough to clear him for the moment.
On the topic of shadowehgon while I believe it is likely for two scum to be on it, it is most certainly not absolute. Polaris takes wagon analysis as a fact, and his confidence in something that is not truly facts, and mere speculation as said by Conq is worrisome. In a way this can also be seen as an attempt to gain town creds, while the same time attempting to damn every person on the Shadowehgon.
Instead of putting up with Conq's hostility and insanity I would like to pose a question to everyone else.
What do you, personally, think occurred on D1?
- Both scum were on the Shadoweh wagon
- 1 scum was on Shadoweh and 1 scum bussed NNR
- Both scum bussed NNR
It would be nice if you just picked one, but feel free to choose two, indicating the likeliest and the second likeliest.
The first line would be more meaningful if you didn't actually need to type it out. It's like that saying about being the better man just walking away and not suing you re going to be the better man.
If you really want to get into wifom territory, you could also say scum decided to bus each other at every chance they get.
*points at shadoweh's signature*
##Vote: Polaris
Dormio's reasons for voting Serela are very plausible reasons, however I feel that it may be stretching things a little too far. Most of those quotes Dormio used can be also looked at as grasping for straws.
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Dormio's reasons for voting Serela are very plausible reasons, however I feel that it may be stretching things a little too far. Most of those quotes Dormio used can be also looked at as grasping for straws.
How so?
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Currently still at school and will read more in depth later but
ZAKERI WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU?!
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How so?
Some of the quotes you use by NNR give more of a feeling of desperation instead of the defending Serela vibe. Which is what I mean by grasping straws.
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Reread!
Polaris is town, would not lynch ++ Partially because of the timing and actual post of voteswitching to NNR, but I generally liked him and thought he was towny looking before then as well, it's just icing. Other examples are things like this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901276.html#msg901276). Some Polly Vs. NNR stuff in their posts also looks totally legit (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901363.html#msg901363) as opposed to fake scum pressuring eachother or whatnot
Zakeri
The lumping votes on NNR is making me want to shy away from. Scum is likely on his wagon as of that post.
yes I know I did something similar, but both are suspicious
I think the way this reason to not get on NNR is worse then, say, how Raikaria does (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901348.html#msg901348), as Raikaria is showing a clear and logical thought process with an explanation of -why- he thinks the NNR wagon is bad, where Zakeri basically just says "NNR has a growing wagon on him, so I don't want to vote him". Raikaria I think looks good, for that matter, as well as also getting complained at by NNR (122~124) in a way I'd imagine would be done in the Scum QT instead of the thread if at all if they were scum, not to mention Raikaria's actual response
not much else to say on zak because he -hasn't posted today-, I know you have this thing where you don't think you can make a post so then you just vanish for a couple days, but come in and make a bad post if you have to :C Any post at all is better then none!
PX is active and such D1, but I kind of don't like a lot of the stuff he actually says, so I'm kind of waffley on him. But with the activity and such I think there's better targets to go after for now.
Affinity has been going strong the whole game, as well as put NNR to l-2 when shadoweh was l-1 which is again icing on the cake of a already-good-read
If scum -were- bussing NNR, it's probably Hero or Dormio, but I'm not particularly interested in either right now, maybe in the future
I don't really like Conq's D1 but I'm not sure -how- I don't like it :c D2 at first the only real complaint is all the people he's attacking are my town reads
I realllly don't like Hero's semilatest post for some reason.
As for "who is scum", Hero/Conq/Zak are definitely the ones I'd be happy to see lynched today, but I kind of need to think about it more to figure out -which- I want to see lynched I guess? Plus I don't really have anything resembling a case on Conq, practically haven't commented on Hero at all, and Zak is well kind of nonexisting so there's not much more I can say in addition to what I said yesterday then what's in this post already
In other news, I got hired for a job and I start Thursday :D
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##Vote: Serela
Conqueror's arguments, while fundamentally sound, seem to be kind of desperate sounding to me. I've been rereading them, trying to look for something I can point out, but the whole thing is completely null-tell.
I don't like the voting trend on Polaris. It's tempting for townies to just want to limit themselves to what we know for a fact, and eliminate as many suspects as possible. I'm feeling kind of the same way myself, actually, but I know it's not that simple. I'm very wary of the people that are trying to claim "speaking about circumstantial evidence as if it were fact". There's no reason to go after somebody just because they sound confident in their analysis, especially given that all evidence is circumstantial to begin with (not counting the flips).
Judging from the NK, I'm going to say flat out that it's likely to be impossible for Shadoweh to be mafia. Even ignoring affinity's "Scum would have to be complete retards to allow two scum wagons day one", Raikaria being the NK is very telling. Scum's priorities for NK is "Most likely to target scum" and "Least likely to get lynched" in that order, and no offense to Karia but I'm going to assert its the latter. This means that Raikaria is likely seen by the mafia as "The person who switched from a townie to hammer our bussing target". I doubt Raikaria would be top priority if Shadoweh was also scum.
Top picks are Serela and Conq. PX and Hero are also pretty bad, but they both have slight town vibes from day 2 alone so I'll look into them more when I get new flips/if somehow they're the leading wagon tomorrow.
Yes, I know I didn't give reasons for Serela, but Dormio summed it up nicely, and also seriously, Serela, do something.
Prods NNR on some minor issue here while not voting him (when he was at only 3 votes), and is completely satisfied with his answer. Goes after Shadoweh here once possibility opens up (when he had not once mentioned him before, correct me if I'm wrong),
I was pushing NNR because I didn't like how he was trying to cast suspicion on PX for trying to force the game forward. whenever someone forces the game forward, it always looks awkward and clunky, so scum can always tap into it to try and make the person look bad. The reason I dropped it was because He dropped it (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901363.html#msg901363) saying it was all he had, and then moved on to something I thought was a better vote.
I also go after Shadoweh Here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901106.html#msg901106), Here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901265.html#msg901265), and here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901317.html#msg901317). Sorry that it's only day one strong, though.
What Zak and Conq have in common is that they both prodded NNR for nit-picky reasons (Conq's post here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901284.html#msg901284)) and then seemed to be pacified by NNR's flurry of posts starting from here, then both of them switched to Shadoweh. In hindsight, it merely seems like an artificial Q&A compared to Polaris' and co's efforts, and I would like them to tell us what exactly made NNR look good to them afterwards
Does that mean Conq and I are a Scumteam then? If not, then which do you think is more likely to be scum?
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Not actually making anything new here (pretty tired but forcing self to not nap, gotta fix sleep schedule), but just clarifying why my opinion on Hero seems to flip on it's head within my last post; when I comment on Hero's recent post, it was from getting cut by it, and then I forget to change my previous comment on it earlier in the post, hence me saying I'm not interesting and then suddenly putting him in my list of "people I'd be happy to lynch"
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(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mca3q1w6gd1r01vzmo1_500.jpg)
(3) Polaris - Conqueror, Shadoweh, Hero999
(2) Serela - Dormio, Zakeri
(1) Conqueror - Polaris
(1) Shadoweh - PX
(1) Zakeri - Affinity
Not Voting (2): I have no name, Serela
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to hammer. You have about 24 hours left in the day.
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it was from getting cut by it
stupidity from being sleepy and forgetful at the same time, obviously I wasn't cut by a post from like 9 hours ago, but I didn't remember it or hadn't read it in depth or something, I don't remember
also fuck, three votes on Polaris? I will kick people if we actually lynch him, everyone voting him should go respond to the paragraph I made w/references on why Polaris is totally town
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Well who should people be voting, Serela? :V If you want wagons you gotta throw down for a show down! (still asleep am sleeping as type)
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I already voiced opinion on who I want lynched
I know I haven't actually gotten around to articulating -why- much on anyone other then Zakeri though, or I'd have gone into that further
In any case, it's not like people almost ever listen to me, and getting them off Polaris is a step in the right direction, you take what you can get :D
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Zak beat me to the point that it's pretty stupid to call me scummy for having "confidence in something that is not truly facts" (Hero999). I mean, it's a given that nothing is fact (except for mod's words) but what am I supposed to have if not confidence? Do you want me to flounder around uselessly and not come to any conclusions? >_> Maybe I shouldn't have confidence in who I think is scum, either, since we don't know for sure?
It's not like I'm giving a blanket-clear on everyone on the NNR wagon just because they're on the NNR wagon. I took a look at the circumstances surrounding each person's vote on NNR and decided that none of them looked like scum deciding to bus their partner; therefore, the scum are likely on the Shadoweh wagon instead. In other words, I am clearing each person on the NNR wagon individually. This is not a blanket dismissal. I think this kind of way of looking at things is called process of elimination.
I really don't like Conq's position on the Shadoweh wagon?that is to say, the front. The vote on Shadoweh is very impromptu and this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901415.html#msg901415) in particular gives me bad vibes (of the scummy variety), making Conq look super eager to create a counterwagon to NNR the scum, while simultaneously jumping off NNR himself (this is scummy). Neither of Conq's votes before Shadoweh (on me and NNR) look like they have any intention of lynching the scum and more like pushing for pushing's sake (this is scummy), and Affinity's notes on NNRxConq relationship is considerable (this is kind of scummy). Conq wasted a lot of time D2 arguing about all the ~*~~*~possibilities~*~~*~ on the levels of Super High-School Level Conspiracy Theory while distracting from the scum on the Shadoweh wagon, and his vote on me is mostly due to the reason that I disagree that those possibilities are possible (this is scummy). You can argue the possibility that Kumasawa Chiyo is the culprit behind the Rokkenjima Murders, but that doesn't negate my theory that the culprit is actually Toshiro Gohda until we open up Schrodinger's cat box yadda yadda yadda.
Congratulations to Serela for getting a job and thank you for thinking I am town but I still want you lynched. Serela's position on the Shadoweh wagon is also pretty scummy, being one of the two who piled on without reason (this is scummy; also, the other is PX). Serela's initial vote on Zakeri is a jokevote which he keeps for no reason until Affinity shows up to give his own reasons, which Serela assimilates into his vote (this is scummy) Then...
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Then nothing. After that he votes Shadoweh. Before that he makes pretty useless posts without any intention of scumhunting, but looking like he's doing something. Here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901274.html#msg901274) he comments on how "end of day rush should start happening" while at the same time not doing anything to contribute to wagon consolidation (this is scummy). Serela looks more like he wants to live happily ever after more so than lynching people (this is kind of scummy).
Also, I can see Serela choosing to nightkill Raikaria (mostly joking here)
For those people who think all the scum piling on Shadoweh is Farfetch'd, consider it as Conq starting up the wagon beforehand and Serela joining and NNR bringing up the rear, and see what you think of that.
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ilu2 Polly <3 Would sheep ++
Probably going to reread Hero soon since I didn't pay alot of attention to him until recently and I like what Polly says about him
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No idea what you are talking about about Hero other than I gave him a clear yesterday ?_?
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wow I'm more sleep deprived then I thought, somehow I saw Hero 999 in your first sentence and completely misinterpreted the whole thing!
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Responding to Polaris et. al right now, but first I want Polaris to answer these questions that he ignored:
Cool, so you think I'm scum (I don't suppose you'll tell me why but if you would be so kind to do so that would be appreciated). So could you explain the following quote in context?Considering that you were already voting me for being scum, I don't get the perspective in this quote because it indicates that you're coming over to the initial idea that I'm scum. Could you elaborate?
As for the statistics, how do you expect hunting based on statistics to be more productive/accurate than hunting based on words/interactions/cases? It seems more like a massive distraction than anything else, moreover because I don't know how you would use that sort of information even after you've collected it. How would this help (serious question); say you get a hypothetical spread of 3/3/3/1, how is that useful at all, or at the very least more useful than just hunting for scum individually?
Even more so now for the latter since you haven't done anything with these responses (or analyzed the lack thereof, or pushed for people to give responses, etc). This reinforces that it was just empty theory talk that makes you look like you're doing something when you're not.
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So I get back and I see that Shadoweh is... voting Polaris... for some reason... and has yet to even try to find scum.... Yeah, I don't like most of the clears on her based on absolutely nothing but circumstance despite how TERRIBLE her play is. Reading more.
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Right, so I'm just going to take this apart.
Zak beat me to the point that it's pretty stupid to call me scummy for having "confidence in something that is not truly facts" (Hero999). I mean, it's a given that nothing is fact (except for mod's words) but what am I supposed to have if not confidence? Do you want me to flounder around uselessly and not come to any conclusions? >_> Maybe I shouldn't have confidence in who I think is scum, either, since we don't know for sure?
It's not like I'm giving a blanket-clear on everyone on the NNR wagon just because they're on the NNR wagon. I took a look at the circumstances surrounding each person's vote on NNR and decided that none of them looked like scum deciding to bus their partner; therefore, the scum are likely on the Shadoweh wagon instead. In other words, I am clearing each person on the NNR wagon individually. This is not a blanket dismissal. I think this kind of way of looking at things is called process of elimination.
This is pretty much a strawman because I'm not arguing that having confidence in non-facts makes you scummy (because this is the basis of mafia play). It's how you push it (like how Youmu pushed that people who helped wagon Pamela in GYA were scummy because it helped to cause a no-lynch).
You say you looked at the circumstances surrounding each person's NNR vote and that none of them looked like scum bussing, but your justification (from #264 etc.) sums up to that if they were scum they would definitely have switched to Shadoweh, which is flimsy. It's a good point in favour of these players, but using it as a hard clear is scummy because in the end you're using bad PoE.
Even given that, let's say that your PoE is fine and so you want to focus on the Shadoweh wagon. My biggest beef with the way you've approached this (from the very beginning of today) is that you've somewhat arbitrarily picked out two names to attack (Conq and Serela) while semi-ignoring the other two, saying that they're bad or whatever. So you used PoE to arrive at a pool of players and then arbitrarily picked out two of them as your top scumreads. That's scummy. Here, I want to you to elaborate on your PX and Zakeri reads, especially considering your stance on PX yesterday and PX switching to Shadoweh fitting the criteria you were using for scum switching to the Shadoweh wagon.
More in next post because I want Polaris to see this first.
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I really don't like Conq's position on the Shadoweh wagon?that is to say, the front. The vote on Shadoweh is very impromptu and this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901415.html#msg901415) in particular gives me bad vibes (of the scummy variety), making Conq look super eager to create a counterwagon to NNR the scum, while simultaneously jumping off NNR himself (this is scummy).
That's right, I started the Shadoweh wagon because she was playing scummily. My vote on Shadoweh was not impromptu at all; earlier in the day I had expressed disapproval of her vote on IHNN; when she proceeded to ignore me I wanted to wagon her to lynch~. I still have no regrets because Shadoweh was trying to be a lazy bum and she still is today.
If I was super eager to create a counterwagon to NNR the scum, why didn't I do it on one of the existing wagons of Zak/Raikaria, which had received voiced support from other people, instead of creating a brand new bandwagon ~5 hours before the end of the day without knowing how well it would stick?
My switch off of NNR was already explained. Can't do anything about it. Must be easy to votepark on your buddy though, eh?
Neither of Conq's votes before Shadoweh (on me and NNR) look like they have any intention of lynching the scum and more like pushing for pushing's sake (this is scummy),
This is just nonsense. Where did you get the idea that I didn't want NNR or you lynched at the time?
and Affinity's notes on NNRxConq relationship is considerable (this is kind of scummy).
Elaborate for me on this because I've already addressed this. Also, if we're going to go this route, let's take a look again at how NNR treats Polaris.
NNR jokevotes me here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg900904.html#msg900904)
NNR expresses dislike of how Polaris is attacking PX, but keeps vote on me. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg900947.html#msg900947)
NNR likes my posts (the only thing I had done at this point was attack Polaris), votes Affinity (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901149.html#msg901149)
NNR dislikes Polaris' vote on him and individually explains why each line of that post is bad. Votes Serela instead. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901363.html#msg901363)
So NNR has a very natural place to put his vote. He's been attacking Polaris basically all day and buddying to people when all they did was attack Polaris. Yet he never votes Polaris. Look at that last vote especially, when he spends half of his post attacking Polaris and then votes Serela for no content.
So Polaris, what NNR x Conq relationship again?
Conq wasted a lot of time D2 arguing about all the ~*~~*~possibilities~*~~*~ on the levels of Super High-School Level Conspiracy Theory while distracting from the scum on the Shadoweh wagon, and his vote on me is mostly due to the reason that I disagree that those possibilities are possible (this is scummy).
How am I distracting from "the scum" on the Shadoweh wagon? I'm scumhunting based on posts. Your posts are scummy and I am voting you for them.
The latter is a misrep if you've been reading my posts at all, especially my exchange with Affinity when I explicitly stated this was not the case.
You can argue the possibility that Kumasawa Chiyo is the culprit behind the Rokkenjima Murders, but that doesn't negate my theory that the culprit is actually Toshiro Gohda until we open up Schrodinger's cat box yadda yadda yadda.
I don't get what this means.
tl;dr, Polaris' case on me is pretty bad (this is scummy). Serela, apparently you think his case is great, so could you summarize it for me? Seriously Serela, for the love of all that is good in this world, please actually read the game.
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Polaris is town, would not lynch ++ Partially because of the timing and actual post of voteswitching to NNR
Explain
Other examples are things like this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901276.html#msg901276). Some Polly Vs. NNR stuff in their posts also looks totally legit (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901363.html#msg901363) as opposed to fake scum pressuring eachother or whatnot
The first link is Polaris asking you for opinions on Raikaria which is...non-alignment indicative. The second link is NNR disliking Polly's post while voting Serela, which I addressed in my previous post. So...not a town tell either way. Serela, did you think how Zakeri and Raitaki treated each other last game was fake scum pressuring?
I realllly don't like Hero's semilatest post for some reason.
What's wrong with it?
Not sure what to make of Serela defending dead and flipped town Raikaria not once, but twice today (once in response to Dormio and once in that big wall post). It's almost too blatant for him to fake as scum especially after acknowledging his mistake in between the two defences, so I guess I'm leaning town on him for now.
I don't like the voting trend on Polaris. It's tempting for townies to just want to limit themselves to what we know for a fact, and eliminate as many suspects as possible. I'm feeling kind of the same way myself, actually, but I know it's not that simple. I'm very wary of the people that are trying to claim "speaking about circumstantial evidence as if it were fact". There's no reason to go after somebody just because they sound confident in their analysis, especially given that all evidence is circumstantial to begin with (not counting the flips).
On the other hand, this is basically what Zak did with NNR; discredit the wagon without looking at the person the wagon is on, not to mention he's misrepping why I'm voting Polaris, at least. At least Serela's disapproval stems from a town read on Polaris; Zak manages to disapprove of the wagon without expressing any opinion on Polaris himself.
Anyway, I'd be willing to vote Zakeri today too. I'll see if I can muster up another post on that later.
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So I get back and I see that Shadoweh is... voting Polaris... for some reason... and has yet to even try to find scum.... Yeah, I don't like most of the clears on her based on absolutely nothing but circumstance despite how TERRIBLE her play is. Reading more.
PX, what do you think of Polaris, regardless of Shadoweh?
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Not sure what to make of Serela defending dead and flipped town Raikaria not once, but twice today
oh my god so this is what happens when I force myself to stay awake to try and fix my sleep schedule
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Phonepost since I need sleep.
Conq's posts look like walls on my phone screen and I can't do anything with phone
Will only have access to phone before deadline so I'll switch to Serela if we're lynching him.
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Just got back from pizza lol
Polaris? Well, from his first post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901903.html#msg901903) from day 2, I don't like it. He immediately clears the entire wagon because, then picks two names, proposes that they're scum for no reason, then provides a reason why he doesn't like me, and just likes Zakeri for no reason. Then he makes a big timeline, but you already refuted it and I agree. This post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901960.html#msg901960) is absolutely terrible as he's completely discounting one possibility to push the other. Holy shit this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901962.html#msg901962) and the follow up one are absolutely terrible. That is an absolute Strawman fallacy, and the second post is nothing but trying to gather a response. This is completely scummy.
I used the word 'guaranteed' relatively, not absolutely, as I assumed that everyone shared my idea that there is scum on the Shadoweh wagon. Maybe my assumption was too daring? Even so, it's incredibly stupid to try to pin someone as scum just because "nothing is ever guaranteed in mafia".
Then don't use guaranteed if you don't mean it. :\
Instead of putting up with Conq's hostility and insanity I would like to pose a question to everyone else.
Now this is a crap line, you're the one that provoked it.
It's not like I'm giving a blanket-clear on everyone on the NNR wagon just because they're on the NNR wagon. I took a look at the circumstances surrounding each person's vote on NNR and decided that none of them looked like scum deciding to bus their partner; therefore, the scum are likely on the Shadoweh wagon instead. In other words, I am clearing each person on the NNR wagon individually. This is not a blanket dismissal. I think this kind of way of looking at things is called process of elimination.
Now, this looks completely contradictory with what you said at the beginning of the day.
On top of all of this, I get a little smug feeling from his posts all day. Do not like let's lynch.
Vote Polaris
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I just tried to remember everyone who was playing. Did not remember Hero. Again.
Polaris is at L2 right? That's where I want to put my vote at the moment unless a Zakeri lynch has enough supporters to go through. So I will after a votecount so I don't derphammer.
In the meantime ##Vote: Zakeri but willing to switch to Polaris.
Hero please do stuff
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Serela is still hilariously bad so would lynch as well.
PX is active and such D1, but I kind of don't like a lot of the stuff he actually says, so I'm kind of waffley on him.
What do you not like?
Affinity has been going strong the whole game, as well as put NNR to l-2 when shadoweh was l-1 which is again icing on the cake of a already-good-read
I... actually don't see how that's a good clear for him. In fact, looking at his vote on NNR, it's completely terrible. "More established NNR wagon"? Everybody who established the wagon pretty much LEFT it and EVERYBODY outside of Polaris was just a bandwagon jump onto NNR. How did I not realize this before :\
So yeah, for all you guy pushing the "No scum on NNR", consider this. There is literally no reason why anyone was on the NNR wagon except Polaris.
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I don't like the voting trend on Polaris. It's tempting for townies to just want to limit themselves to what we know for a fact, and eliminate as many suspects as possible. I'm feeling kind of the same way myself, actually, but I know it's not that simple. I'm very wary of the people that are trying to claim "speaking about circumstantial evidence as if it were fact". There's no reason to go after somebody just because they sound confident in their analysis, especially given that all evidence is circumstantial to begin with (not counting the flips).
Zakeri, you say this, but the one "speaking about circumstantial evidence as if it were fact" is Polaris, who you are hard buddying/sheeping/defending. :\
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There is literally no reason why anyone was on the NNR wagon except Polaris.
I had a reason as well though (I don't remember what it was, had a looooong day, could go look it up but can't be bothered to)
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I can see where the NNR wagon is coming from and kind of support it.
Additionally (I counted) this ##Vote: NNR brings him to L-2.
No you didn't :V
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No you didn't :V
Oh then I'm remembering something else then.
Clearly I should not post at 1 AM.
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Uh oops I just realized that the first of my series of posts was responding to something directed at Hero. Just ignore the first paragraph of that post then.
Phonepost since I need sleep.
Conq's posts look like walls on my phone screen and I can't do anything with phone
Will only have access to phone before deadline so I'll switch to Serela if we're lynching him.
>_> Unfortunate and vastly irritating.
PX, do you still think Shadoweh is scum? What do you think of being on a wagon with her if that's the case?
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Still scum, but she has very little support so :\
She'll show her colors soon
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PX: So you think she's scum bussing Polaris or what? How many scum do you think there are?
Also, I'm rereading Zakeri and I'm considering switching the wagon over to him. His only post for today is pretty barebones in terms of scumhunting if you strip away the response to Affinity; it's basically a votepark on Serela in line with his day one votepark on Raikaria.
Dormio, NNR defending Serela from PX seems rather null to me; could easily be a grab for town cred by NNR by "defending a townie" if Serela is town, even if NNR never attacked PX directly. As for Serela voteparking on Zakeri, how about Zakeri's voteparks? Zakeri also shared a similar stance towards a NNR wagon yesterday as Serela.
As for why Zak!scum over Serela!scum when they're otherwise pretty terrible with content...I think scum!Serela wouldn't have been have blatant with the NNR wagon, or at least he would have provided some sort of reason for staying off NNR so he wouldn't look completely horrible (this is taking into account how Serela generally treats his scumbuddies). What do you think?
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PX: So you think she's scum bussing Polaris or what? How many scum do you think there are?
It's possible. It's also possible I'm wrong. Shadoweh's already riding on enough cred as it is, why not bus and get pretty much a tentative clear until LyLo despite doing nothing?
Too many.
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Hell, she hasn't said why Polaris is scummy so it's more of a votepark than a bus.
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Also, Shadoweh, if you're town, it'd be really nice if you could actually put in the effort to show that you're town by virtue of being self-evidently town, instead of expecting other people to read you correctly off of barebones posting (even if people are clearing you b/c of the way D1 fell down, correctly or not). It would just make everything easier and more voices is good. You do like playing mafia, don't you? Come and play with us! :)
Cut by PX: :V
also fuck, three votes on Polaris? I will kick people if we actually lynch him, everyone voting him should go respond to the paragraph I made w/references on why Polaris is totally town
I already voiced opinion on who I want lynched
I know I haven't actually gotten around to articulating -why- much on anyone other then Zakeri though, or I'd have gone into that further
In any case, it's not like people almost ever listen to me, and getting them off Polaris is a step in the right direction, you take what you can get :D
Why have you not voted anyone all day Serela and why are you complaining about the lead wagon when you haven't voted anyone in an attempt to make a counterwagon?
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@Serela:: Well, what better way to make yourself heard than to vote? You're only making the game more confusing, than it should. If your first vote of the day falls to some 'not me over me' sadness again, I am going to laugh and stuff.
If there was a person coasting on stuff now, it would be Nameless, because I don't remember him giving reasons for his votes since forever (especially when they are today's two out of three leading wagons. In general, I can't believe people aren't invigorated at a D1 scum lynch, probably the most invigorating thing of them all. Makes you wonder what they play mafia for, other than lethargically voting like playing Zynga Slots or something.
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On Polaris, I have to admit that his attack on Conq feels muddled up with cause and effect. I do agree with some facets (e.g lacking NNR vote), but some of the points he tries to throw on him (e.g 'All Conq has been doing is to trying to distract from the scum on the Shadoweh wagon), which are definitely false, seems to betray what he first set out to disprove (e.g blanket clearing people on the NNR wagon).
This is counter-balanced by Conq's stuff on NNRxPolaris, which were done through no fault of Polaris' (the major difference!), and sounds rather ineffectually vengeful as a result. But bah, I do like Conq's content today (more open-minded in general with wider coverage) more than Polaris' in general, who seems more one-dimensional (two scumreads in detail, nothing else. Doesn't seem to seek to understand Conq).
I can see scum trying to take initiative early-D2 in this sort of position, so hey, perhaps I'm wrong about the bandwagons after all. Or maybe it's just him being indignant-town. Still think Polaris did vote NNR for the right reasons yesterday however, so I still feel that the uprising against him is rather dubious and sheep-y when they take things so broadly and artlessly.
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I just tried to remember everyone who was playing. Did not remember Hero. Again.
Hero please do stuff
Not my fault you never remember me, I did do stuff :\
I also don't see how Shadoweh or Zakeri is more memorable then me in this game.
It's possible. It's also possible I'm wrong. Shadoweh's already riding on enough cred as it is, why not bus and get pretty much a tentative clear until LyLo despite doing nothing?
Too many.
Basically Kitten4u's saying in Shadoweh's signature.
I would be...willing to follow a Zakeri wagon if only because there was AtE in his latest post for some reason.
On another note, I can also get behind a Shadoweh lynch at the moment. Honestly she only made 1 post, and it basically points to 4 people and >look into later.
Oh I missed her 2nd post. Which was basically >Vote Polaris and some thoughts.
She isn't really the shiniest one here. :\
@Affinity: Not to defend IHNN or stuff, but IHNN is waiting for a replacement to save him.
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I share Conq's view on Serela about him being a bit too bone-headed and blatant to be scum, and his clear of Polaris seems more genuine than Zakeri's since he actually refers to content D1 and D2. Him cheering Polaris on even while the latter is busy destroying his face is pure spectacle, and is a testament to how sad Serela is. His content is decent enough and at least I know his views on the playerbase, though it's not accompanied with a vote. Don't think I would want to lynch him for today.
Would like to add that I'm not impressed with Zakeri, particularly his vote and his content for today as other people have raised (e.g flubs off people on the Polaris' wagon without saying why, Goes for Serela for less reasons than he did in going for NNR, and clears PX and Hero for 'town vibes' which were not mentioned). His response is fine, but in sealing a previous can of worms he has opened up a new one, and thus I'm rather reluctant to get off him (especially for Polaris) on account of his weak D1 and D2.
@ninja by Hero: Not anymore.
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Sorry for coasting, I'm fully aware that I haven't done very much this game, but I have a bit of time now.
Really, I feel like Affinity, Conq and PX have said all there is to be said on my scumreads and going back over the game has yielded nothing new.
I'm still pretty unsure on Serela, and Hero is leaning town for me at the moment.
Not my fault you never remember me, I did do stuff :\
I also don't see how Shadoweh or Zakeri is more memorable then me in this game.
People are talking about them!
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Also, Shadoweh, if you're town, it'd be really nice if you could actually put in the effort to show that you're town by virtue of being self-evidently town, instead of expecting other people to read you correctly off of barebones posting (even if people are clearing you b/c of the way D1 fell down, correctly or not). It would just make everything easier and more voices is good. You do like playing mafia, don't you? Come and play with us! :)
I'm not doing it on purpose. >_> Yesterday I hadn't slept, and I've literally just woken up now, which I calculate was 14 hours? It was a nice nap. I don't have alot of time right now, so you'll have to settle for bare-bones reads until I get back . I should be home a few hours before deadline which is in.. about 5:45 hours.
Conq = town for actually pushing what he wants (even if it's me),
Serela = town for Serela because he didn't make a single mention about how NNR might be scum and Serela is a blabbermouth. he should still VOTE FOR WHO HE WANTS LYNCHED
Affinity = want to feel he's town but actually voting scum still makes me suspicious but I've got my eye on you =.=
Dormio = probtown for forgetting who died
other people = there
Polaris = scum for somthing, I'm pretty sure it was for deciding everyone on the flipped wagon was town when MotK has chronic bussing syndrome. Otherwise GUT!
PX, if you're threatening to vig me or something you have no idea how pissed off I will be. I will dedicate the graveyard to singing about what a terrible player you are.
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You're missing a few people Shadoweh. If I were a vig you'd be six feet under right now.
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Oh god. It's like I was drunk yesterday. A-all I did was not take a nap when I was really tired... :c Uh, wow, well then. (If you've forgotten, I forgot Raikaria was dead and went indepth on him twice, took 4 posts to finally correct what I was actually saying, never voted, and misinterpreted an entire Polaris post to be a fabulous case on Hero when he never even talked about him)
So this is going to be kind of horrible, but, due to a tangled web I've woven, I need to go to the glasses place, like, immediately if I'm going to finish business there before it closes. And if I don't it's going to get in the way of me being able to have food to eat next week, because I'm not actually going to be paid at my job for almost 2 more weeks.
So I kind of uh have to just like
##Unvote ##Vote Zakeri
because all the reasons everyone knows and I guess what I said about him earlier (also because he's clearly the most agreeable wagon to people in general not counting me/polaris)
and then I kind of have to leave, again *cough* It's just like d1. Except with more risk of infinite ramen.
Also the deadline is in 3~4 hours, guys. JUST SAYING. Also I apologize D: This is nowhere near standard Serela behavior and stuff.
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Zakeri, you say this, but the one "speaking about circumstantial evidence as if it were fact" is Polaris, who you are hard buddying/sheeping/defending. :\
I meant to say "wary of the people voting Polaris for that reason" not of the people who are doing that thing. My point is that like Polaris said, the alternative is to try to sound unsure of himself (Although the real answer is to just do what I do and use terms like likely and probably in every sentence that isn't a factual truth.)
This is pretty much a strawman because I'm not arguing that having confidence in non-facts makes you scummy (because this is the basis of mafia play). It's how you push it (like how Youmu pushed that people who helped wagon Pamela in GYA were scummy because it helped to cause a no-lynch).
I'm not satisfied with the answer because even going along with it, it supposes that Polaris is intentionally trying to push this in order to try and prevent people from looking onto the Shadoweh bandwagon for anything, which in turn presupposes that Polaris is scum. This means that using this as a reason against him is circular logic (Polaris is scum -> He's pushing people to look off of the wagon he's on -> Therefore, Polaris is scum.)
I want to say more, but it's been six hours since I wrote this so I'm going to put it out there and take a quick look at the current bandwagons.
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##Unvote
I was voting Zakeri as a tentative 2nd preferred lynch to not derphammer Polaris by accident, and as of his most recent post I have no interest in his lynch.
PX, if you still want to lynch Shadoweh I'm on board.
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It looks like the only wagons going anywhere right now are myself and Polaris, and I don't like either, so
##Unvote: Serela
##Vote: Conqueror
Due to gut feeling from the Polaris vs. Conq interactions on day one and day two.
Plus, the interactions between Conq and NNR are much more suspicious, i.e. POst 61 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901043.html#msg901043) where Conq tells NNR to find a new case, but doesn't mention why or if he thinks NNR looks bad for going after px (Possible coaching attempt).
And also because I don't want today to end in a me vs. town wagon train, especially since we managed to avoid it one day one.
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Stealing internet to make a post.
I'm not satisfied with the answer because even going along with it, it supposes that Polaris is intentionally trying to push this in order to try and prevent people from looking onto the Shadoweh bandwagon for anything, which in turn presupposes that Polaris is scum. This means that using this as a reason against him is circular logic (Polaris is scum -> He's pushing people to look off of the wagon he's on -> Therefore, Polaris is scum.)
I'm not using that line of logic? Not to mention you picked out the one paragraph out of all my posts where I accidentally responded to Hero to pick at instead of...all the other paragraphs. How about from the end of that very same post?
Even given that, let's say that your PoE is fine and so you want to focus on the Shadoweh wagon. My biggest beef with the way you've approached this (from the very beginning of today) is that you've somewhat arbitrarily picked out two names to attack (Conq and Serela) while semi-ignoring the other two, saying that they're bad or whatever. So you used PoE to arrive at a pool of players and then arbitrarily picked out two of them as your top scumreads. That's scummy. Here, I want to you to elaborate on your PX and Zakeri reads, especially considering your stance on PX yesterday and PX switching to Shadoweh fitting the criteria you were using for scum switching to the Shadoweh wagon.
Plus, the interactions between Conq and NNR are much more suspicious, i.e. POst 61 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901043.html#msg901043) where Conq tells NNR to find a new case, but doesn't mention why or if he thinks NNR looks bad for going after px (Possible coaching attempt).
The post in question:
NNR: Okay, so is there anyone you'd want to seriously vote? The Serela thing is a bit of a bygone at this point.
I didn't think NNR going after PX was anything bad (otherwise I would have mentioned it) because he wasn't even voting PX, so why would that be relevant? Meanwhile, he was still holding on to a jokevote on me while poking at a Serela thing PX wasn't even talking about anymore, so I was asking him to "be more current," as it were.
I was voting Zakeri as a tentative 2nd preferred lynch to not derphammer Polaris by accident, and as of his most recent post I have no interest in his lynch.
Um, what do you like about that post? >_>
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Actually:
##Unvote
##Vote: Zakeri
I'm pretty confident in Zak/Polaris right now but 1) Polaris actually posts so it'll be easier to read him if I'm wrong on that and 2) Zakeri's content today is pretty awful. Don't let Polaris get away tomorrow especially if Zak flips scum though.
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##Vote: Conqueror[/b]
Due to gut feeling from the Polaris vs. Conq interactions on day one and day two.
Plus, the interactions between Conq and NNR are much more suspicious, i.e. POst 61 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901043.html#msg901043) where Conq tells NNR to find a new case, but doesn't mention why or if he thinks NNR looks bad for going after px (Possible coaching attempt).
Coaching might be a valid argument on Mafiascum but here where we have daytalk constantly like civilized people there's no reason Conq would be coaching his buddeh outside of the QT. Honestly the only thing that makes me nervous about a Zakeri wagon is that there are alot off people agreeing offhandedly that he 'looks scummy'.
(3) Polaris - Shadoweh, Hero999 PX
(1) Serela - Dormio
(2) Conqueror - Polaris, Zakeri
(3) Zakeri - Affinity, Conqueror, Serela
Not Voting (1): I have no name
From this post there are 2 Hours left for deadline.
Then again he's managed to push both of my strongest town reads for terrible reasons, and the people currently pushing Polaris with me are uh.. Hero who seems kind of ish and PX who still apparently thinks I'm scum but thinks I'm cool enough to wagon with so ??? If people would like to magical appear again that would be great. As it is I'm gonna swing this way.
##Unvote
##Vote Zakeri
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PS Mr. Has No Name you need to stop wasting time at the last minute right now and throw a real vote down instead of trying to encourage another stupid speed wagon. Shadoweh is not getting lynched anymore (tm). it looks really scummy of you. If you want me dead you're gonna have to kill me.
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Umm ... alright, I don't really have a response for either of those (other than maybe oops for the first one).
I'm pretty confident in Zak/Polaris right now but 1) Polaris actually posts so it'll be easier to read him if I'm wrong on that and 2) Zakeri's content today is pretty awful. Don't let Polaris get away tomorrow especially if Zak flips scum though.
Would a NNR/Me/Polaris scum team look right to you, especially considering my play last game?
Oh well. My last words are that I'm not so confident that Serela is scum, but he's still not town. I can't quite pin anything on Conq, but I still don't like the way he handles his cases, and I think Polaris is def.town, despite the wagon.
Secondary targets are still Serela, but Nameless jumped on the suspicions list with his comment on wanted to get PX to start a Shadoweh wagon. At least Conqueror is man enough to start a Shadoweh quick wagon without asking, and also Shadoweh is at best a policy lynch for bad town play (and definitely not a scum lynch).
Don't have much to say, but Dormio is being pretty quiet AFAIK, Usually he'd be trying to throw everything he can at a single person, but I don't know if it's because he's scumlurking or because something else.
I claim Vanilla townie.
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Why aren't there more votes on Serela? :/
I don't like any of the lynch candidates today, can't we lynch Serela pretty please?
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Um, what do you like about that post? >_>
It made sense to me at the time and i could understand where he was coming from which of course now I realize scum can do too after stepping away
PS Mr. Has No Name you need to stop wasting time at the last minute right now and throw a real vote down instead of trying to encourage another stupid speed wagon. Shadoweh is not getting lynched anymore (tm). it looks really scummy of you. If you want me dead you're gonna have to kill me.
>wasting time at the last minute
>making a quick post before a group meeting
>pushing my scumreads as best I can in the short time I had before leaving
I asked PX directly because he was the only other person interested in lynching Shadoweh that I could remember.
Conq is pretty convincing about Zakeri and his most recent post seems to say "this person is scum and so is this person and my gut says you're scum and "we're all scum", which I did last game except this feels like under pressure "vote anyone but me" so I guess i find it scummy? I don't really have time (due to gameday ending) to get a more solid opinion before the day ends but overnight can try to make more sense of this. ##Vote: Zakeri, final answer, etc. etc.
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Why aren't there more votes on Serela? :/
I don't like any of the lynch candidates today, can't we lynch Serela pretty please?
No. Serela is town now let's lynch scum
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how can you say that while voting me? :ohdear:
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so can someone else vote Zakeri within the next 1 hour to avoid universal loss?
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(http://i.imgur.com/Zvz87.jpg)
(5) Zakeri - Affinity, Conqueror, Serela, Shadoweh, I have no name (L-1!)
(2) Conqueror - Polaris, Zakeri
(2) Polaris - Hero999, PX
(1) Serela - Dormio
Not Voting (0): None!
Zakeri is at L-1!
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to hammer. You have about 1 hour left in the day.
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##Vote Zakeri
You called it IHNN.
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HAMMER SHUT UP
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(6) Zakeri - Affinity, Conqueror, Serela, Shadoweh, I have no name, Hero999 (L-0!)
(2) Conqueror - Polaris, Zakeri
(1) Polaris - PX
(1) Serela - Dormio
Not Voting (0): None!
(http://i.imgur.com/xnZa2.png)
Zakeri - a cockatiel sipping a cocktail - Vanilla Townie - flew away Day 2
It is now Night 2. You have 25 hours to send in Night Actions. Do not post game-related content in this thread until Day 3.
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Hangmafia~
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guess = A
if A then N
if !A then E
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guess = A
if A then N
if !A then E
I will play your game, logic man.
for (char ch='A' ; ch<='Z' && f ; ch++)
{
if (!solve(ch))
{ error--; } // not playing fair
else
{
if (end())
{ f=false; } // efficiency, broseph
}
}
Excuse my elementary school programming. (Of course I wasn't going to bother with solve(char ch) and end(). I'm not that bored.)
Uhhh... P.
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:yukkuri:
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S
if there are 2 S's, then raspberry soda
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S
if there are 2 S's, then raspberry soda
I think you nailed it
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S
if there are 2 S's, then raspberry soda
Raspberry Soda is correct~
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S, P, C, U, L, A and T, in that order, if the previous letter is in the puzzle.
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No "S"
Although I'm tempted to just mark them all off anyways.
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T
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(http://i.imgur.com/i4qnI.jpg)
Polaris - Japanese Bird Cooking Spaghetti - Town Jailkeeper - left the aviary Night 2
It is now Day 3. You have 48 hours and 7 minutes to decide on a lynch. With 8 alive, it takes 5 to hammer.
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...ow. Bye bye doc :c
##Vote Hero999
gimme a sec to reread to remember why
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what even IS this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901365.html#msg901365)
Like, the only thing he does is note a soft dislike of the NNR wagon and then talk a bunch about Polly except... I have no idea what he's actually trying to say about him? Despite that being the main substance of the post, it's... entirely fluff.
Here, Hero votes Polly (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg902137.html#msg902137) over the silly wagon analysis logic thing from yesterday.
In a way this can also be seen as an attempt to gain town creds, while the same time attempting to damn every person on the Shadowehgon.
wat
Then the quote and response to it... don't really actually seem related to being scummy or not at all, and are, again, fluff.
Hooo boy (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg902582.html#msg902582). Hero says he'll get on Zakeri's wagon because Zak had some AtE in his post. Seriously? That's the biggest excuse of a reason I've seen this game. (Not too long after he comes in and hammers Zakeri, which isn't bad because we needed a hammer, but seriously, his reasoning for doing so looks p.scummy)
You know what would be awesome right now? Pumpkin pie. Hell yes. Unfortunately I don't have any. Oh well, there's plenty of ramen instead. :D
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Serela, what do you think about Hero's position on the NNR wagon at the end of Day one?
Serela, what happened to your apparent scumread on me from yesterday?
Serela, why did you not vote for all of yesterday until a few hours before deadline while complaining that you didn't want Polaris to be lynched?
Will get to the rest of this game later. Not sure what to make about the kill; I honestly expected Affinity to die or something, given that Polaris was a big target from yesterday...but etc.
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##Vote: Serela
for now I guess
Insert self-reminder to ask PX about some stuff.
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1.As I said in a post yesterday, if scum was bussing NNR it would probably be Hero or Dormio. Most of Hero's content looks bad enough that I'm certainly fine with the idea. His jump onto NNR was little more then a wagon hop, and there was still an equal amount of votes on Shadoweh, with players remaining that were more likely to go onto Shadoweh then NNR. But I'm not going to get into the bussing thing very much.
2.Totes still there, you'd be my #2 desired lynch. But I don't have a case I can see on you very well. Unlike the one on Hero. So on Hero I am.
3.All I can say to that is... I was super messed up for most of d2 :V I clearly was not in a right state of mind, even as far as Serelalogic goes. Not really any other way to answer this question.
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When you were town last game and couldn't articulate a case on Bardiche you still had something to say.
So let's hear why you think I'm scum. Go ahead, I don't bite. :)
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So, right now, before thinking about reasons or going in depth I want Shadoweh, Dormio or Serela lynched.
I'm not familiar with Serela's scum play at all but it doesn't feel like normal Serela play.
Shadoweh is incredibly lackluster so far and I wouldn't be unhappy to see her go.
Dormio...don't like Dormio. Simple as that.
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oh damn, Hero is playing. Yeah right now Hero for slipping my mind repeatedly or Serela I think.
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Well, here is the moment where I'll go on some Dostoyevskian rant about how vacuous MoTKTown is at times and how finding scum is a crapshoot.
Serela did not vote the entirety of D2 except before deadline, gave a variety of townreads, agreed with Polaris but did not vote Conq, then goes for Zak.
Hero did not answer the questions posed to his Polaris vote opened up to Zak, and eventually voted him for... AtE.
Nameless did not provide reasons for voting or unvoting at all.
Dormio was all Serela Serela Serela, and even so most of it was D1. He has had no currency to keep up with the times.
Shadoweh only appeared end of D2 and stuff, and I don't even know why she voted Polaris.
Yeah, 5/8 people alive are on this list. I could easily vote anyone above for perfectly valid reasons based on content alone, but ho! Only by faith and grace on the D1 wagon can I clear Dormio and Shadoweh from the above list, but yeah, what the hell.
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(To be fair, we have 48 hour deadlines which we're not used to, but anyway I should be getting back to work)
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Well- I was also, like, having him as my main case and trying to vote/lynch him :c But, let's see. (Also, from cut, I'm sorry Affinity D: My sleep schedule is really ruining me these past few days. Hopefully my job (starting tomorrow) will help me rein it in.)
On D1, it's basically fine, except for the important matter of Conq jumping off the large NNR wagon (having gotten on early in the day) and starting up the Shadoweh flashwagon which almost resulted in a mislynch. And then d2... it's... it's... buried in squabbling with Polaris and I trudged through it all but I don't have anything to say :c
This is why I'm not voting you Conq :V You bring up the Bard thing, but he was actually, like, my main case and stuff when I was doing that. Right now my main priority is Hero.
Anyway, at Affinity. Nameless can sort of be explained because he was trying to get replaced out instead? It's still pretty questionable, I know, but- well... mmph. It's a thing. In any case, the next step is to take those people, and try to order them in scumminess and/or think about who could most likely be town doing that too.
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Have I really not been providing any reasons? I've been having them in my head and I thought I was writing them down but I guess not?
Sorry about that Affinity.
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past few days
past few games*
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Dormio was all Serela Serela Serela, and even so most of it was D1. He has had no currency to keep up with the times.
Uh... what? Pretty sure I didn't really mention Serela until D2.
Anyway, will be around later hopefully.
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So, right now, before thinking about reasons or going in depth I want Shadoweh, Dormio or Serela lynched.
I'm not familiar with Serela's scum play at all but it doesn't feel like normal Serela play.
Shadoweh is incredibly lackluster so far and I wouldn't be unhappy to see her go.
Dormio...don't like Dormio. Simple as that.
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oh damn, Hero is playing. Yeah right now Hero for slipping my mind repeatedly or Serela I think.
Serela: Easy target. Serela's scum play is super easy. Serela willfully busses his buddies and can't bring himself to say they're not scummy and lynchable. Did not do this = town.
Dormio: Easy target. Dormio was one of the swing votes that made the scum lynch happen.[/s] And he forgot who he killed that night? F'ing town.
Shadoweh: PX sounds like he has a good hate on! Let's borrow that and get someone that shouldn't be lynchable lynched. If only people had listened to me about Dan when I tried that before.
Hero: Easy target. Oh right people hate him too let's throw him on the list.
##Vote: I have no name
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I REALLY LIKE BOLD. IT MAKES MY POSTS LOOK MORE PIRATEY AND MANLY. SHADOWEH FLEX.
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fairly sure affinity meant you were talking about stuff I did on d1
cut by shadoweh being the sensible one, also apparently a baby sunface pirate
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Dormio: Easy target. Dormio was one of the swing votes that made the scum lynch happen. And he forgot who he killed that night? F'ing town.
Honestly it's not that hard to pretend to forget something and scum making scum lynches happen for town cred can happen. I don't remember who it was, but someone said that the only way we get a D1 scum lynch is if scum drives it. Therefore, if Dormio drove NNRs lynch, Dormio must be scum. (or at least is likely)
I legitimately forgot Hero was playing in the original version of that post, and the only reason I put you on that list is you didn't seem to be playing like your normal Shadoweh self.
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@Dormio: As in, your points against Serela on D2 were restricted to his D1 slips and slides.
I do think the Polaris' NK was weird at well, given that he had cleared Zakeri as town without explaining why yesterday (as well as the angry Conq stuff), which is certainly attackable again on D3.
For now, for the obvious reasons
##Vote: Nameless
Let me come up with a better appraisal of Conq and PX later. Nameless, do go into more detail on your scum suspects that extend past meta please.
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Therefore, if Dormio drove NNRs lynch, Dormio must be scum. (or at least is likely)
I think you're taking that quote a little too seriously o_O
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@Dormio: As in, your points against Serela on D2 were restricted to his D1 slips and slides.
But he had nothing D2.
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Haha you're still scum Shadoweh on content alone and the double scum wagon is still plausible based on how it went down D1 and your interactions with NNR. Don't like your defenses against IHNN.
Vote Shadoweh
Not sure on second scum but Serela and IHNN are probably in the picture.
Cut 3 times
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Would but can't because lousy stupid internet.
Also: if attacking easy targets is scummy and I'm an easy target then you're scummy for attacking me.
So it must be attacking scumreads is townie and I sort of haven't pushed much because of said lousy internet, but I have opinions on people which is more than you can saw about Dormio at the moment. (9:02)
I think you're taking that quote a little too seriously o_O
Just stating nothing is guaranteed and anything is possible (9:11, this cut kept my post from going through)
Seriously I've been trying to post this for 15 minutes and couldn't get a single other page up (9:19)
Oh god PX cut why why why you know what I'm putting down a vote because I don't know when I'll be able to later.
##Vote: Dormio
Honestly gut, I'll see later if I can articulate reasons as to why or if I'll let it lie. (9:30)
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Hero did not answer the questions posed to his Polaris vote opened up to Zak, and eventually voted him for... AtE.
Yeah, 5/8 people alive are on this list. I could easily vote anyone above for perfectly valid reasons based on content alone, but ho! Only by faith and grace on the D1 wagon can I clear Dormio and Shadoweh from the above list, but yeah, what the hell.
Hold up!
1) Where was that? I don't remember that. Can't argue that it wasn't terrible, I just typed what I thought.
2) Well...>_> Pin Pon! Winnarz! ^_^ Sorry for being so incompetent
Vanishing again.
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Honestly it's not that hard to pretend to forget something and scum making scum lynches happen for town cred can happen. I don't remember who it was, but someone said that the only way we get a D1 scum lynch is if scum drives it. Therefore, if Dormio drove NNRs lynch, Dormio must be scum. (or at least is likely)
I legitimately forgot Hero was playing in the original version of that post, and the only reason I put you on that list is you didn't seem to be playing like your normal Shadoweh self.
So you think Dormio just conveniently pretended to forget that Raikaria was dead? Can you bring up that conversation and honestly tell me he doesn't sound confident to the point of sneering at Serela? 'It's easy to pretend' is a terrible excuse bececause it's not.
The second thing is bad because Dormio didn't 'drive the lynch', he showed up at the end and swung the wagon towards NNR's lynch. I agree that it's likely someone on NNR was scum, but have to ask if you realize your reasoning about Dormio applies more to yourself then to him. Using blanket gameplay statements and using them to drive terrible votes is a patented scum technique and how dare you steal it scumbag.
PX sit in the corner and shoosh the pap up while the grownups talk.
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'It's easy to pretend' is a terrible excuse bececause it's not.
The second thing is bad because Dormio didn't 'drive the lynch', he showed up at the end and swung the wagon towards NNR's lynch.
When all you have to do is make 1 or 2 derpy statements and get towncleared for it it kind of is >.>
I would have reviewed the D1 wagons but you know internet problems. Even still if it happened because of Dormio then it's scum-caused scum lynch.
Shadormio scumteam calling it now even though I'm probably wrong
PX makes very reasonable points that I agree with except me being scum but I can see where that idea is coming from, my play is pretty lackluster this game.
This post was brought to you by 5 minutes of stable internet.
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You know, I love how your defense is "Everyone says I'm town so I'm town." instead of actually trying to defend yourself.....
Vote Shadoweh
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The fuck are you on about IHNN?
##Vote I Have No Name
:toot:
Also, from what I can gather, would not vote Shadoweh.
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To expand, three days into this game, the entirety of IHNN's case on me that he seems to be trying to push pretty hard is non-existent.
The only reason given is that he doesn't like me for whatever reason, and is trying to justify the position that I must be scum for adding my vote to NNR at the end of D1. (What about Affinity?)
On top of that, he's done virtually no scumhunting for the past two days and has just been taking wishy washy stances on everyone.
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Serela is also still a thing. Serela, current thoughts about Zakeri?
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Ok finally seem to have stable internet for who knows who long.
Now that I can actually review the game, I can see that my memory of events is way off. This obviously makes me look really bad.
On top of that, he's done virtually no scumhunting for the past two days
Aside from Serela D2, neither have you, and that's mostly off of interactions.
and has just been taking wishy washy stances on everyone.
Nope, my stances have been pretty solid. Not necessarily backed by facts because of my memory, but I haven't been wishywashy. Right now you're as guilty of not paying attention to me/not remembering things as I have been on you, and as you're voting me for it, it must be scummy so your behavior must be scummy so I'm keeping my vote there while I try to find something more concrete.
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So, basically, you're admitting you got nothing. Okay.
D1:
#26/48 - Be deliberately obfuscating then use it as an excuse to vote for Shadoweh.
#58 - Easy stance to spin as neutral/unwilling to vote PX or to vote PX if the opportunity arises.
#98 - Sheeping the NNR wagon.
The end of day activity is whatever.
D2:
#343 - Suddenly, Zakeri vote out of nowhere.
#371 - Sheeping the Zakeri case with some random thing about his own behaviour to fluff it up or some shit.
D3:
Vote Dormio because.
I don't know about you, but this looks like pretty shitty play. Why is it scummy?
Firstly, it reeks of opportunitism. He has not had a single original scumread. Every single case, bar the one on me, he's taken up has been one that other people have been talking about.
And then there's the case, or lack thereof, on me. It's all sorts of "wat", and he still has yet to answer my question about how if me voting for NNR at the end of D1 makes me scum, what does this make Affinity.
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Your vote can be read as more opportunistic/I feel Affinity has had solid content throughout the game.
My Zakeri vote was not out of nowhere, I had been listing him as null to scum up until I voted him. So sheeping a perfectly valid case, with an additional reason of my own, is scummy why?
I've had internet issues and less time than usual, but have come to similar conclusions as others. How does this make them unoriginal? Due to external reasons I show up late to the party, reach the same conclusions off the same posts and see they've already been discussed-exactly like in TD Mafia.
It's kind of hard making cases when you can't even reference the game you know.
I see that a Dormio wagon won't go anywhere and I can't find anything so I will reluctantly ##Unvote. I still suspect you, but have nothing solid and know that my vote would be wasted there. I still need to re-read Serela because from what I remember it was just different play but Serela has also cited IRL reasons, still think Shadoweh is probably scum because PX is 5/5 would sheep again.
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My Zakeri vote was not out of nowhere, I had been listing him as null to scum up until I voted him. So sheeping a perfectly valid case, with an additional reason of my own, is scummy why?
Because you say that you're willing to vote for both Zakeri and Polaris, the two leading wagons. On top of this, you never put any pressure on him whatsoever until other people did first.
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Because you say that you're willing to vote for both Zakeri and Polaris, the two leading wagons. On top of this, you never put any pressure on him whatsoever until other people did first.
I wasn't around until other people were putting pressure on him. Obviously you have no way of knowing if I'm telling the truth or using that as an excuse, but I honestly wasn't around.
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I see that a Dormio wagon won't go anywhere and I can't find anything so I will reluctantly ##Unvote. I still suspect you, but have nothing solid and know that my vote would be wasted there.
Also, that seemed pretty fast.
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Also, that seemed pretty fast.
1.I read fast
2.was where I starting reading back through your ISO.
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Shadoweh: asdfasdgsdf I agree that Serela's meta leans toward him being townish this game but dear god the play.
##Unvote
Anyway, I don't think I'm interested in voting Hero. Nor Shadoweh nor Affinity for that matter.
Not interested in Dormio because if there's anyone on the NNR wagon who deserves credit, it's him for putting NNR at L-1 and thus actual risk of lynch.
PX, why is Shadoweh scum? I feel like at this point you're just tunneling for the sake of it. What defense is Shadoweh supposed to give? She's actually started scumhunting today, so...
IHNN, what reasonable points does PX bring up that you agree with?
Honestly, now that I look back at Day 2 I don't know why IHNN wanted to lynch Polaris. IHNN, could you explain again why Zakeri's post made you unvote in #363? It feels pretty flimsy because his post said almost nothing, and after the unvote you were left with wanting a lynch on Polaris...when you never really explained why.
Want to vote IHNN but three votes already there.
For now, ##Vote PX
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Also, for PX, why is it that on D2, you were content to attack Shadoweh for half of the day, but then when I ask you for your opinion on Polaris you suddenly whip up a case on him for vote him (while still calling Shadoweh scum for voting him)? What took you so long if you were suspicious all day?
Everybody who established the wagon pretty much LEFT it and EVERYBODY outside of Polaris was just a bandwagon jump onto NNR. How did I not realize this before :\
So yeah, for all you guy pushing the "No scum on NNR", consider this. There is literally no reason why anyone was on the NNR wagon except Polaris.
Would like you to explain how this factored into your view of Polaris, if at all.
Also, on a gut level I don't like how PX on D2 is content to take potshots at Zakeri and shut down Serela's clear of Affinity etc. without giving an opinion on the actual playerslots.
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EBWOP: My preferred lynch for the day is IHNN > PX, I guess I should say.
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She's actually started scumhunting today, so... If by scumhunting you mean going after an easy target because they've been going after easy targets...because her today is going after me for...having the same views as the majority except Dormio, and defending Dormio.
IHNN, what reasonable points does PX bring up that you agree with? Will get to this tomorrow
Honestly, now that I look back at Day 2 I don't know why IHNN wanted to lynch Polaris. IHNN, could you explain again why Zakeri's post made you unvote in #363? It feels pretty flimsy because his post said almost nothing, and after the unvote you were left with wanting a lynch on Polaris...when you never really explained why.
My top scum suspects were Polaris and Zakeri, though my reasons for suspecting Zakeri were due to me misinterpreting some of his posts. His #362 explained what he actually want, which changed my mind.
So: my to do list for tomorrow is re-read the whole game, paying mind to PX, Serela, Hero and Dormio (and I guess Shadoweh because I don't like the way she went after me since by her own logic it's a scummy act but not as much unless we can please flip Dormio and he comes up scum, though for some reason I've noticed I always want to lynch Dormio probably because he's kind of a jerk to me, celebrating my lynch before it even happens)
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If you really really think Dormio is scum (and apparently from your most recent post you do) then why did you unvote him saying that a wagon on him wasn't getting anywhere when you aren't willing to vote him to start a wagon on him? >_> Why is your vote wasted on someone you think is scum, given the day has just started and wagon viability isn't an issue at all?
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Not interested in Dormio because if there's anyone on the NNR wagon who deserves credit, it's him for putting NNR at L-1 and thus actual risk of lynch.
Actually, this is not that credible as you think because Polaris already declared he would switch to Shadoweh to secure a lynch before Dormio voted.
As for Shadoweh. D1 she starts off with an okay post on IHNN and vote. And then proceeds to tell people to vote IHNN, call Raikaria's post bad and... finishes by asking Hero to be buddies? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901220.html#msg901220) Then her next post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901321.html#msg901321) throws a completely horrible meta post on IHNN and makes a pointless comment on Serela. She's still voting IHNN while ignoring his posts. Which is why you started the wagon on her. Now here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901455.html#msg901455), she throws off a rather weak defense against her wagon by throwing a subtle ... uhhh... trying to get you to get off her by implying that last minute wagons never hit scum, thus she's not scum. Which is some sort of logical fallacy that I can't name. Here, she attempts to move people to Raikaria while voting NNR. There are two reasons why this could be a possible bus. First off, the Raikaria wagon was losing steam at the time. If she pushed a town wagon and ended up lynched, then that would almost clear Raikaria by virtue of scum counterwagon. By the same logic, it's also advantageous to vote NNR because she knows it'll land on scum, and if either are lynched then the other can get by on the same cred. Here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901475.html#msg901475), NNR brings up the possibility of a Raikaria lynch as well but realizes the pointlessness of it and votes Shadoweh due to Not me over me. Now, at this point we have 2 confirmed town on the wagon, and Conq reads town to me, so this wagon is started by town. And since I'm town, that means if there is scum on this wagon, it would default to... Serela. So scum had no choice but to resort to double bus. Here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901485.html#msg901485) she throws out some AtE and tries to get other people to jump on a different wagon again. And then throws out some too late reasons that mean nothing.
(7) NekoNekoRex - Polaris, I have no name, Shadoweh, Hero999, Affinity, Dormio, Raikaria (L-0!)
(5) Shadoweh - Conqueror, WHMZakeri, Serela, PX, NekoNekoRex
These are the wagons at the end of the day, and looking at it, IHNN looks in prime bussing position. And considering how IHNN and Shadoweh acted before, the thought makes sense. And honestly, if you were scum who would you prefer to remain alive, NNR or Shadoweh?
Day 2, here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901926.html#msg901926) she throws out a shitty defense on circumstances. Rest of the post accounts to a grand total of... nothing. Second post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg902136.html#msg902136) votes Polaris for ???, and that's pretty much all. Implies that she's following the game, but not posting anything or being involved. Here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg902623.html#msg902623) she throws out pointless town reads on just about everybody. Here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg902679.html#msg902679) she goes "Uhh, I don't like the Zak wagon. Then again the wagon I'm on looks pretty bad so I'll jump on this 4 hour wagon while just arguing on day 1 that 4 hour wagons never hit scum." So uh yeah. Why Shadoweh is scum.
CUT 4 TIMES WHAT?!
Also, for PX, why is it that on D2, you were content to attack Shadoweh for half of the day, but then when I ask you for your opinion on Polaris you suddenly whip up a case on him for vote him (while still calling Shadoweh scum for voting him)? What took you so long if you were suspicious all day?
Well, I was actually away from my laptop and never got much of a chance to read the thread in depth until... halfway through the day. :\
Would like you to explain how this factored into your view of Polaris, if at all.
That didn't. That came up while I was reading Serela and I pretty much completely got off track from the revelation.
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Also, on a gut level I don't like how PX on D2 is content to take potshots at Zakeri and shut down Serela's clear of Affinity etc. without giving an opinion on the actual playerslots.
I don't really see how they were potshots at Zakeri.... Skimming the thread 24 hours into the day and noticing that he was the only one to have not posted yet shouldn't really count, and the other post was going against his defense of Polaris, basically pushing my suspect of Polaris, not an attack on Zakeri. I never stated an official opinion on Zakeri, but at this point he's dead so there's not really any point to. As for Affinity, I haven't really read him that much in depth but I don't dislike him that much from what I've read.
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When all you have to do is make 1 or 2 derpy statements and get towncleared for it it kind of is >.>
I would have reviewed the D1 wagons but you know internet problems. Even still if it happened because of Dormio then it's scum-caused scum lynch.
Shadormio scumteam calling it now even though I'm probably wrong
I asked you to do something really simple, point out how the 'derpy statement' sounded fake. I know you didn't have a gut feeling against it because when you corrected them you didn't say anything beyond to stop being dumb. Which also implies that you believved they honestly thought Raikaria was alive, IE it was an honest TOWNIE mistake. Your reasoning for Dormio being scum is because Dormio caused a scum lynch therefore Dormio is scum why do I even have to say how idiotic this sounds? Can you show me what Dormio actually did that was SCUMMY that made you think he was scum, instead of voting him because in an alternate universe where people evolved from cows there is a possibility he was town instead.
PX makes very reasonable points that I agree with except me being scum but I can see where that idea is coming from, my play is pretty lackluster this game.
What are they? You're not allowed to quote anything posted before this post. Go.
Also changing stuff in quotes is kind of bleh because of how quoting a post with quotes in it works.
"She's actually started scumhunting today, so... If by scumhunting you mean going after an easy target because they've been going after easy targets...because her today is going after me for...having the same views as the majority except Dormio, and defending Dormio."
Bullflarping shoosh I'm going after you because your version of views is 'they are because they are' and because you're both trying to erode at what should be a confirmed town read and another soft-cleared read with 'but they COULD be scum!' :) Please die. In a fire.
Conq: "Mafia would be an easy game if it were a game of lynch the derpderp." An IHNN/PX scumteam leftover looks pretty good right now actually, but that might just be my instinctive urge to purge the infidels talking.
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PX: I'm going to start replying to your cases against me with pictures of butts. DO YOU HAVE ANY REAL READS INSTEAD OF VOTE SHADOWEH?
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Lol no u go rede my poasts.
Any reason I'm scum to you other than I'm voting you?
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As for second option, I'm putting IHNN ahead and calling Shadoweh/IHNN team.
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@PX:
First off, the Raikaria wagon was losing steam at the time. If she pushed a town wagon and ended up lynched, then that would almost clear Raikaria by virtue of scum counterwagon. By the same logic, it's also advantageous to vote NNR because she knows it'll land on scum, and if either are lynched then the other can get by on the same cred.
Why doesn't the 'push a town wagon on Ralkaria' point apply to Shadoweh (who is by all definition a scum counterwagon)? It sounds like spinning explanations from your point of view rather than what really happened.
Here she throws out some AtE and tries to get other people to jump on a different wagon again. And then throws out some too late reasons that mean nothing.
With all this 'scum trying to do things' one could start a charity. If a few pithy words can move a playerbase onto another wagon, I could have ran for President and moved mountains as I made my first forays into the English Language.
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Actually, on rereading, I do agree with Conq; PX has had too narrow a range of opinions since D2. While his Shadoweh suspicion was entertain-able early D2, I think it has become increasingly vacuous over the days, with Shadoweh gaining in content he seems eager to disprove, and the above treatise on Scum Psychology feels a bit silly.
Even discounting this, I take issue with his Polaris vote on D2, where he suddenly has the wisdom to make his vote useful here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg902502.html#msg902502), putting Conq's reasons under a 'holy shit' filter, more or less. The thing here is that this vote seems completely incongruous with his position that both Shadoweh and NNR are scum. When he accuses Polaris as "... completely discounting one possibility (that there were no scum on the NNR wagon) to push the other (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901960.html#msg901960)", doesn't PX find it strange that he had done exactly the same in pushing for a Shadoweh lynch? I get the feeling that this moment of insight by him was ill-intentioned, getting on Polaris to make numbers all of a sudden, and this more so as he has gone back to voting for Shadoweh again today (for which there is no support other than IHNN).
There was also a feeling of something missing on D2, which was that, for all his unique position on D1 wagons and his burning message, he had made absolutely no effort to convince anyone of his view until recently Compare Conq, me and Polaris on D2, who seemed to argue tooth and nail on how the end of D1 went, and PX seemed to take to the background, snarking that everyone was clearing Shadoweh 'based on circumstance', using one's arguments to vote the other.
Thusly, with all of this combined, I think PX is using Shadoweh as some sort of vote pivot, and is scum. That switch from NNR to Shadoweh at the end of D1 can be lumped together with the above as well.
##Unvote
##Vote: PX
Not that I have thought that IHNN's vote on Dormio, Dormio's subsequent vote on IHNN, Serela's vote on Hero, or Hero's whatever have made them any better. Let's just say that I'm somewhat convinced that they are genuine clueless, blighted or lazy town. Nameless is still second priority though.
I do think Conq has been cool these two days.
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Lol no u go rede my poasts.
Any reason I'm scum to you other than I'm voting you?
It could be because you have yet to answer my question over two days. Except to throw the person I'm pushing a case on as my scumpartner? I know I like driving the bus but come the smurf on here.
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I wake up and see that hero completely ignored the case I made on him, said absolutely nothing of importance (including didn't vote, state who he thinks is scum or even town, etc), and left
:I
##Vote Hero999 Again
(no that's not actually some role power)
Also Dormio why are you asking me how I feel about Zakeri when he's dead, I'm not completely incoherent (I even went to sleep at midnight at woke up at 8am today! OH MY GOD)
It is way too early for me to do more then skim the entire page that popped up, especially since half of it seems somewhat silly. Now that I actually feel like I'm thinking properly for once though, gonna say that Conq definitely isn't as scummy as some other people out here. ...but since I've only just come around I have to end up kind of reorganizing my reads :T Affinity is still town. Dormio hardbussed NNR but I otherwise don't kind of like him; it's still realistically town!Dormio though (Who I've noticed tends to often look like a scummy read) and there was the hardbussing so he's not worth seriously pursuing at present over other targets. Shadoweh is starting to look like an actual kind of townie instead of just being Clear Because D1, although I'll have to go over all this stuff PX is saying to make sure. (Also because PX may or may not be scum so)
That leaves IHNN and PX, both of which I have to reread, but neither of which are a town read beforehand; and even when I was half out of my mind D2, I was saying I didn't really like what PX was saying, even if I didn't particularly think he was scum then for some reason I'll probably see when I'm rereading later. (Also, I'm starting work today at 4pm EST, so I'm gonna be kind of busy at times. I kind of procrastinated on stuff like watching the videos their website gave me, and collecting/doing some other stuff I need to prepare :T)
still 100% loving the idea of Hero lynch tho
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Also Dormio why are you asking me how I feel about Zakeri when he's dead, I'm not completely incoherent (I even went to sleep at midnight at woke up at 8am today! OH MY GOD)
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Fuck everything.
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I mean, I could see if he was the NK, but he was yesterday's lynch... :V
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Goddamit not that I had Internet it jut refreshed all of a sudden after habitually clicking preview with no Internet.
@Serela: and what exactly did you want from me again Serela? Off the top of my head everything you said in that post had nothing for me to answer for you.
Anyways to keep things simple for my opinions on the PX and IHNN things.
IHNN had pass due to replacement attempt.
PX had passes for activity. Affinity brings good point about PX.
@Dormio: I hope it doesn't, become commonplace for you to forget who died. First it was the night kill, then the lynch, next is who? :V
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PX sit in the corner and shoosh the pap up while the grownups talk.
On another not, when this was the first thing I noticed when I looked back on a shadoweh post, and I was wondering ifs I should take it as a genuine attempt to tell PX to shove it and go away.
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@Serela: and what exactly did you want from me again Serela?
Who do you think is scum?
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also Shadoweh jokes a lot, so
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also Shadoweh jokes a lot, so
It's also a Homestuck reference and so through that I took it as serious.
Will respond to points raised against me after work, same for re-reading.
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(http://i.imgur.com/2VFMW.jpg)
(2) I have no name - Shadoweh, Dormio
(2) PX - Conqueror, Affinity
(1) Hero999 - Serela
(1) Shadoweh - PX
Not Voting (2): Hero999, I have no name
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to hammer. You have about 28 hours and 40 minutes left in the day.
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oh my god huh what that is cruel and unusual treatment of birds I'm calling PETA on you!
IHNN: Please do. *sharpens knives* @_@
I am self-censoring myself with Homestuck words so my posts are less angry to read, but I am getting really really sburbed off that PX is still doing this after two days.
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PETA
People Eating Tasty Animals?
Suddenly, the picture makes too much sense.
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I'm back from work and where the fuk is the posting
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Well, I wanted to try to convince you guys the old fashion way but I guess it can('t) be helped. I claim a one shot even night cop. I'm not one for crumbing, but remember when I said Shadoweh would show her colors soon? Guess what he came up last night. I was not available for half of Day 2 but I was also laying a little low to avoid getting killed. Flavor wise I'm a juvenile blue tit peeking out of a brick fence. Now let's lynch scum shall we?
Vote Shadoweh
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even night cop
last night
but it's day thre-oh duh night 2
welp
##Vote Shadoweh
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... well, I would prefer to lynch PX today rather than Shadoweh if this is down to a 1v1, due to my firm beliefs and stuff. An even night cop doesn't sound very appealing, and a 1-shot variant of all things sounds huh from both a town and scum perspective. It does explain his play a bit, but I still think his D2 is too fishy.
In fact, if you were really a 1-shot cop, PX, you should have claimed at the beginning of D3 instead since you would now be an effective vanilla townie. Not buying the claim.
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... unless you wanted to lie about the role whilst claiming but that didn't happen. Why is this so?
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Eh, I can see it from either perspective, but I prefer lynching Shadoweh first instead
Wouldn't it just be awesome if it was a fabulous hoax and they're both scum? :V
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... well, I would prefer to lynch PXShadoweh today rather than Shadoweh [/sPX]if this is down to a 1v1, due to my firm beliefs and stuff. An even night cop doesn't sound very appealing, and a 1-shot variant of all things sounds huh from both a town and scum perspective. It does explain his play a bit, but I still think his D2 is too fishy.
In fact, if you were really a 1-shot cop, PX, you should have claimed at the beginning of D3 instead since you would now be an effective vanilla townie. Not buying the claim.
Similar set of opinions here and since one of them is being lynched and one of them is scum then I don't have to rush my re-read and I can do it tomorrow when I have even more time to focus on it than an hour or so before bed
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though this is coming across like LLD's "so I investigated Shadoweh last night". Not sure what to make of it but since I wanted to vote Shadoweh anyway... ##Vote: Shadoweh
and Serela that's an...interesting idea. Definitely good to keep in mind that it's not a full townclear on PX should Shadoweh flip scum (but on the flipside PX flipping town cop guarantees Shadoweh!scum...) ack now you've got me paranoid :s
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:V at that claim.
Going to look over some stuff first. At least we have guaranteed scum though, yay!
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Definitely good to keep in mind that it's not a full townclear on PX should Shadoweh flip scum (but on the flipside PX flipping town cop guarantees Shadoweh!scum...)
it goes either way; if one flips town, the other is scum, if one flips scum, the other's alignment is unconfirmed
So it doesn't matter who we lynch first if you think both need killing.
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I was just seeing if we could get 2 confirmed results out of this without flipping both but as we can't I much prefer Shadoweh.
Still totally Shadormio scumteam esp. with the buddying
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##Unvote
Eh the crumb on PX on D2 is decent, and it makes sense that PX would make an all out effortpost attack on Shadoweh today if he got a Shadoweh guilty. I'm leaning towards voting Shadoweh I guess but wow.
If Shadoweh is scum Serela is still town, and IHNN is probably town too.
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EBWOP: PX is also town if Shadoweh is scum; just look at Day one.
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oh derp I mistagged the inside of the quote lemme go fix that real quick
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... well, I would prefer to lynch PXShadoweh today rather than Shadoweh PXif this is down to a 1v1, due to my firm beliefs and stuff. An even night cop doesn't sound very appealing, and a 1-shot variant of all things sounds huh from both a town and scum perspective. It does explain his play a bit, but I still think his D2 is too fishy.
In fact, if you were really a 1-shot cop, PX, you should have claimed at the beginning of D3 instead since you would now be an effective vanilla townie. Not buying the claim.
What it SHOULD have said.
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Hero, you're online, why haven't you posted a reaction to the claim?
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Too busy playing Dota2
Honestly speaking?
Considering how >active PX has been I would consider him to be one of the higher NK targets. Yet the NKs have a feeling similar to counter wagons considering.
There were a considerable number of people who voted for
Raikaria Day 1 before the NNR vs Shadoweh
And
Polaris Day 2 Against Zakeri.
So in conclusion I'm hesitant to jump on it, but willing because
1. PX has been completely pushing for Shadoweh lynch constantly.
2. He has been fairly active.
3. Bullrushing.
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In fact, if you were really a 1-shot cop, PX, you should have claimed at the beginning of D3 instead since you would now be an effective vanilla townie. Not buying the claim.
I would like PX to explain this though.
Hero also just made an interesting point about the NK's; I could see PX or similar making random NKs.
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Wow, I don't remember the game of mafia being so nihilistic and stuff. There used to be considerations as to why scum would try to keep their buddies alive for as long as possible, especially on D1.
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Are you people stupid? We have a flipped Rolecop. Do you think huh what is going to put two investigative roles in the same game?
##Vote: PX
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PX you have one post to turn this bullHONK around. If you had a guilty on me you would be prodding me for my partner instead of making cases about how I'm scum. Cops don't have to convince people their target is scum. It's possible this is your idea of a supah kewl gambit but I wouldn't put it past you to pull this dumb suicide seeing as at least half the game wants to lynch you solely for your FLARPingly smurfed up lack of anything but a VOTE SHADOWEH.
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Like oh my Flipping god. Can I go through one game without someone either investgating me when I should be obvtown via wagons/scum plays or faking a slurping investigation so they can SEE IF I WAS REALLY SRS LOL xD DIE IN A FIRE PX
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Well, uh, Shadoweh is kind of right too about that... everything. If PX is one-shot, he'd probvably just, like... claim... instead of try to do somet ONOR thing or whatever by old-fashioned shadowhe comvincing. (Or he's lying and he's a stronger cop then he is) The fact that he's very up for lynch today makes it make sense that he'd do it as scum I guess.
But Shadoweh could also be scum and that'd make fine sense too :T
Bahhhhhhhh. If one flips wrong we can always just lynch the other, which is probably good either eay because I wouldn't but a ridiculous double scum bus gamibt out of possibility, because MotK is awesome like that.
By the way this is full of typos because I'm streamin gright now (I'm clearly the worst streamer, posting in mafia while I'm supposed to be playing The Genius of Sappheiros to beat the final boss on lunatic murder mode) so the thing is so laggy I can barely do anything but vomit owrds into it
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Are you people stupid? We have a flipped Roleclop. Do you think huh what is going to put two investigative roles in the same game?
(3/9 means D3 MYLO so I wouldn't put it past huhwhat to put in a one-shot weak role like PX claimed)
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WOW SHADOWEH SURE IS RIGHT
LETS LYNCH HER ANYWAYS THOUGH BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS FUN TO LYNCH SHADOWEH
Serela GET ON THAT PX WAGON NOW or I will teach you nooseplay with your eyestalks.
Cut: A full rolecop and a jailkeeper who can function to catch scum if they're reduced to one and a one-shot even cop? You seriously think all three of these are in the same game? How is COP a weak role?
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Cut: A full Roleclop and a jailkeeper who can function to catch scum if they're reduced to one and a one-shot even cop? You seriously think all three of these are in the same game? How is COP a weak role?
rolecop only catches scum prs if there is one (would probably get "vanilla" on goons)
jailkeeper is strong
I'd expect those two powers to balance a 3/10 setup
N2 cop might be enough to put it over the edge for a 3/9
PX's claim isn't rock solid sure but you're being exceedingly hyperbolic when it's definitely plausible
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Anyway, I want to hear PX's answer to Affinity's query, as well as why he played the way he did day one if he was trying to "lay low."
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A rolecop is almost as good as a full cop considering it makes a Godfather obsolete. Most teams have 1 goon 1 godfather 1 roleblocker/rolecop. Also, huh what as a mod hates cops in general. Even if it wasn't on me I would have a hard time believing he put a cop and a 2/3 cop into the same game with a jailkeeper. That's worse then macho cop + doc.
Fine be that way. I will be over here screaming then.
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Who's your pick for PX's buddy?
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Right now you for helping push this along, hence why I'm not going to bother arguing with you any longer.
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-.- Fine, be that way.
(Also, PX spilling his beans in a suicide move in response to pressure started by a buddy would be pretty stupid and I would never let him do it, but whatever).
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The simple answer to that is PX paniced and did it without consulting you. Or did it for the lulz. There's no reason to believe he would listen to you in the first place, if he were there would probably be better kills then Raikaria and Polaris.
Shadoweh: asdfasdgsdf I agree that Serela's meta leans toward him being townish this game but dear god the play.
##Unvote
Anyway, I don't think I'm interested in voting Hero. Nor Shadoweh nor Affinity for that matter.
Not interested in Dormio because if there's anyone on the NNR wagon who deserves credit, it's him for putting NNR at L-1 and thus actual risk of lynch.
PX, why is Shadoweh scum? I feel like at this point you're just tunneling for the sake of it. What defense is Shadoweh supposed to give? She's actually started scumhunting today, so...
IHNN, what reasonable points does PX bring up that you agree with?
Honestly, now that I look back at Day 2 I don't know why IHNN wanted to lynch Polaris. IHNN, could you explain again why Zakeri's post made you unvote in #363? It feels pretty flimsy because his post said almost nothing, and after the unvote you were left with wanting a lynch on Polaris...when you never really explained why.
Want to vote IHNN but three votes already there.
For now, ##Vote PX
Your pressure vote on him actually reads more like a note on how bad IHNN is and how you were ready to switch back at the end of day consolidation. That combined with you of all people suddenly forgetting game balance and thinking Cop + Rolecop = Vanilla genius! Makes me believe you aren't thinking and already know this is bullHONK and now you're trying to make your partner's SPECIAL move seem plausable. I will not accept less then success this time, once PX is booted out the door tomorrow you're next.
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The simple answer to that is PX paniced and did it without consulting you. Or did it for the lulz. There's no reason to believe he would listen to you in the first place, if he were there would probably be better kills then Raikaria and Polaris.
Your pressure vote on him actually reads more like a note on how bad IHNN is and how you were ready to switch back at the end of day consolidation. That combined with you of all people suddenly forgetting game balance and thinking Cop + Roleclop = Vanilla genius! Makes me believe you aren't thinking and already know this is bullHONK and now you're trying to make your partner's SPECIAL move seem plausable. I will not accept less then success this time, once PX is booted out the door tomorrow you're next.
Panicked in response to what? Affinity's vote and people going "eh" on PX? (Also if I were scum with PX I would never let PX choose the kills; you've seen how I operate as scum).
Also, my PX vote is a lot more than that, if you've actually read my posts. >_>
My arguments on game balance are actually perfectly valid, and you continuing to repeat otherwise doesn't make it true. Scum is not going to have a rolecop if town is going to have a rolecop. They might have a godfather or a roleblocker (which would lead to nasty rb/rb interactions).
Honestly Affinity's arguments against PX are more convincing than yours; balance-wise it's perfectly fine.
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EBWOP: If you didn't notice I'm actually leaning towards voting PX right now...you could see this if you've been reading what I said instead of kneejerking? :V
But your balance argument really doesn't mean anything, just saying. :3
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asfdfghs -.- YES IT DOES wait I forgot this is the same person who put 4 redirectors in a non-role madness game maybe it does make sense to you.
It's really hard to take the idea seriously when I already know it isn't true, you realize. I'm pretty sure huh what wouldn't becuase I'M NOT FLIPPIN GUILTY. And last time you sounded kind of almost on my side just if I tried a little harder you were Celestia Loverscum. =.=
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Okay well I guess I'm not the best at balance but still whatever
;-; I was actually playing as townie as I could in that game, but all my reads were wrong. Like I thought you were legitimately scum on D2 etc, NNR D3, etc.
I guess I'm willing to do this again off of Shadoweh's tone, plus the stuff Affinity brought up. :V But if PX flips town I'm never trusting you again.
##Vote: PX
If PX is scum I'd peg IHNN as his buddy.
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I should go with my gut, I'm always too easily swayed by claimstuff D: There's enough questionables about PX's claim (Like not doing it at day start despite it seeming highly unlikely a Shadoweh wagon would occur otherwise due to d2 sentiments, and while there are merits to not doing so they definitely aren't the reason he used) and I kind gut-disliked what he's been doing most of the game... along with being on NNR just to hop off at the very end d1... eh, there's definitely enough reasons :T
Plus the reasons I see to not vote Shadoweh which have been gone over before.
Mmmmmmmnyeah.
##Vote PX
Off to bed for me!
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note because I just realized it:PX is at L-1
Totally fine if he gets hammered before I wake up, the day is a 1v1 between PX and Shadoweh and I don't see much else productivity coming out of it past, well, the 1v1ing, and it's the kind of role-shenanigan 1v1 where if the one we lynch flips town the other is basically confirmscum... sooo, yeah, just hammer away.
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If PX is scum I'll eat my hat.
I don't have a hat.
I'd really like to say that in that case I wouldn't take my lynch lying down buuuut I know that via *connections* and content I'd look pretty scummy and wouldn't be able to talk my way out of it.
That's why when PX flips town we quicklynch a Shadoweh
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If PX flips town then D1 of this game was pretty glorious. But yeah, there's enough stuff against PX outside of the claim that I'm comfortable lynching him first, even though he had a good Day 1.
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IHNN: When PX flips scum I will lend you my pirate hat to shove down your throat after I'm done lovingly wrapping the noose around your neck. :)
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Well PX is at L-1 so I'm not going to be voting but will vote him over Shadoweh I guess.
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(4) PX - Affinity, Shadoweh, Conqueror, Serela (L-1!)
(2) Shadoweh - PX, I have no name
(1) I have no name - Dormio
Not Voting (1): Hero999
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to hammer. You have about 8 hours and 30 minutes left in the day.
PX is at L-1!
Won't be back until about 2PM PST as a warning, just in case somebody hammers before then.
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Make a bloody attack, spread your wings
Assail them, surround them all
The birds are prophetic divining Apollo
- Aristophanes, The Birds
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Affinity says the words that make me swoooooon!
OKAY I'M GOING OUT FOR A BIT YOU BASTARDS
PLEASE HAMMER PX ANYTIME YOU PLEASE SO I CAN DANCE THE DANCE OF THE MONOBEARS
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I propose we lynch shadoweh.
##Vote PX
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Vote PX
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10 mislynches left
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it's okay PX, if you flip town you still managed to get shadoweh lynched (tomorrow), and she probably wouldn't have ever been otherwise
So you still would have managed to do your job :D
Mostly only talking because HW isn't actually here, so it's not like we're about to get a flip or anything
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-Don't post after hammer
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(5) PX - Affinity, Shadoweh, Conqueror, Serela, Hero999 (Lynch!)
(2) Shadoweh - PX, I have no name
(1) I have no name - Dormio
Not Voting (0): None!
(http://i.imgur.com/2tOkK.png) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/gary-chalker/7322101602/)
PX - a juvenile blue tit peeking out of a brick fence - Mafia 1-Shot Rolecop - flew away Day 3
It is now Night 3. You have 25 hours and 20 minutes to send in Night Actions. Do not post game-related content in this thread until Day 4.
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I checked the rules before that post but apparently am completely blind since I missed that
anyway
hang-mafia
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I have no idea what a good amount of "townies/mistakes/etc left" is so I'll just go with 9 left
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That depends on how many letters you modkill when you forget what the word is.
T S
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8 left, used letters:F S
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D O N
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6 left
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Djibouti
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Well at least IHNN didn't guess it with like 2 letters! THIS IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME.
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_ _ _ _ _ _ _ 7 scum 19 townies remain
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variety
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RSTLNE
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I hate variety.
_ e s _ _ _ _ R T L N 5 scum 15 townies how could you mislynch L like that? He was so newbie!
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DESPAIR
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DESPAIR
There's no R in the answer.
A
Well at least IHNN didn't guess it with like 2 letters! THIS IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME.
shorter puzzles are harder to figure out. HW made it easy by having 2 words 13 letters (also words that end in A are pretty rare...)
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There's no R in the answer.
>.> wow I even spelled out the word to make sure I didn't leave out any letters. R was a death miller. DESPAIR!
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HW made it easy by having 2 words 13 letters
don't you mean zakeri
cut by rofl
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>.> wow I even spelled out the word to make sure I didn't leave out any letters. R was a death miller. DESPAIR!
1/5 would not play again
don't you mean zakeri
my memory...
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9 scum, 16 lynches
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same strating guess: RSTLNE. Wheel of Fortune mode go.
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S L E
6 scum, 10 lynches
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if G then graduation
if not then production.
Final answer.
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Yeah, too easy.
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6/9. You have 7 mistakes left until Reimu deploys Hax Sign Burn Everything.
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R
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L
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6/9. You have 2 mistakes left until Reimu deploys Hax Sign Burn Everything.
No: E, L, N, R, T
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6/9. You have 2 mistakes left until Reimu deploys Hax Sign Burn Everything.
No: E, L, N, R, T
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Y
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I remember RLSTINE from middle school; he was great.
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Dormio - Santa Claus' Spirit Animal - Town Reflexive Friendly Neighbor - left the aviary Night 3
It is now Day 4. You have 48 hours to decide on a lynch. With 6 alive, it takes 4 to hammer.
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the what
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...I thought this was supposed to be a mostly vanilla game
regardless Reflexive Friendly Neighbor sounds cool (at least assuming I have the right role in mind) so okay
But in more game-relevant matters, ##Vote Hero999 because everything I said yesterday about him.
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I thought Reflexive and Friendly Neighbor were both common-knowledge. Friendly Neighbor is on ms wiki. Reflexive means that instead of targeting other players, his role is passively used on anybody who targets him.
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Well, yeah, it just seems like a really odd combination
Not to mention I don't think I've seen -either- of those on MotK before ever
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you're the one who put friendly faux-bomb in your game dude
px was a reflexive roleblocker in cota
spamming my own game
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Huh what get out of here this is the player section not the huh whattles section.
AHAHAHAHA ASS TO YOUR FACE PX SCREW ALL OF YOU
*breathes*
..Okay, I'd say they must have rolecopped Dormio but apparently they couldn't have because he's reflexive and probably would have said something. Will remember to check people Dormio was sending chcummy signals to. In the meantime:
##Vote: I have no name
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I was almost going to say "except maybe one of mine" but I thought back and figured "No, I don't remember any and I only ran two", this isn't very surprising of me though
px was a reflexive roleblocker in cota
I'm p.sure I was forum-lynched at that point in time so that would explain it
It's okay tho you can spam your own game because they aren't mod-enforced anymore B) I think I'm spamming my mafia flavor image folder for my upcoming game too much though :c Should probably write role pms instead but that's less super lazy to do
...anyway yeah, Hero for scum prez, IHNN would be like the runner up or something so I don't really mind a lynch on him either but, yeah
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Still think Shadoweh is off-limits and stuff, and most certainly town.
Hero and IHNN are basically scum fodder with minimal content throughout the game. Hero has had nothing to him except rather inconsequential opinions since D1 and votes that have made up the main wagons. IHNN is slightly better since he had a Dormio case D3... which amounted to two quotes on nitpicky stuff and general absence. The sole townie grace for both of them are that they were both on NNR D1, and that I don't think Nameless as scum would so blatantly ally himself with his scumbuddy, given that he supposedly bussed NNR so fluidly.
Serela switched to PX late, which counts for something. He also did not vote D2 for inexplicable reasons (important since it was the only town lynch this game so far), and D1 he was on Shadoweh. Hero999 case... is okay-ish but not comforting.
Bleh everything is so rancid and bland. Let me withhold my vote until Hero and IHNN post, but generally I would like to lynch Serela first.
Would like Conq to explain how Shadoweh made him feel warm inside during the exchange end of D3.
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So...
How many PRs are there in this supposed mostly vanilla game?
Cause like, every NK so far has been a Power role. Scum too lucky?
And so, I can almost swear scum is using Keine to lynch because Keine too good at mafia.
On another note, considering how hard PX tunneled on Shadoweh, I can totally see him attempting to bus her the whole game. Very easily infact, and because I don't want the
Kitten4u: "I'll say it plainly: THERE IS NO WAY SHADOWEH IS SCUM!" - A Balanced Game of Mafia
Therefore
##Vote Shadoweh
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:I
While it's not a bad idea, we really have better lynches to do then "Maybe all the scum are just hardbussing the fuck out of eachother the whole game". Do you even have any reasons Shadoweh herself is scum instead of Because PX?
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Would like Conq to explain how Shadoweh made him feel warm inside during the exchange end of D3.
I expected scum in her position would have pushed IHNN as PX's scumbuddy yesterday when I asked her, as it would have been the path of least resistance. Her suspecting me was a bit of a surprise for me, but I figured it was much more likely to come from town actively looking for buddies; as scum she'd want me to be on her side for the PX mislynch and attacking me doesn't really help that. tl;dr her paranoia felt genuine to me.
I still don't think I'm interested in a Serela lynch. IHNN I'll have to review again. His constant appealing to PX throughout the last few days means that he may not have been able to find a fluid way to bus PX even if PX was going down in flames yesterday.
Cut by: I think I want to lynch Hero today on the basis of his general play and the vote he just made.
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If PX is scum I'll eat my hat.
I don't have a hat.
I'd really like to say that in that case I wouldn't take my lynch lying down buuuut I know that via *connections* and content I'd look pretty scummy and wouldn't be able to talk my way out of it.
That's why when PX flips town we quicklynch a Shadoweh
Well, actually I want IHNN to explain why he was so sure Shadoweh was the scum over PX yesterday.
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##Vote: Hero999 for now; will look through stuff later
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Oh, just an FYI. Hurricane Sandy is visiting sometime in the next few days, so if I suddenly disappear it might be because I've lost power...yep. Just a heads up.
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Well, actually I want IHNN to explain why he was so sure Shadoweh was the scum over PX yesterday.
PX had a solid D1, Shadoweh has a less than lackluster D1&2. I saw her D3 as an attack on me (for some valid reasons I'll concede) and pushing a myself/PX scumteam. PX...I didn't really see a problem with his D3, I'll have to review taking into account that he was scum.
Besides, PX 'confirmed' Shadoweh!scum which was something I'd been suspecting, and I had PX as town. Same events, different sides of the coin.
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As much as Hero's vote makes me want to cry I still think IHNN is the likier partner.
I'm playing WoD and not reading any more posts that make me sob incoherently now.
WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO GET A TOWN READ GOD
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Maybe if you were the Reflexive Friendly Neighbor, Shadoweh.
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Then I would be dead. >:T
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wow holy shizballs I am falling asleep here. Where are you two motherglubbers that are having a contest to see who can look the scummiest to people? If you ain't actually on the dark side you're just making it easier for
Conq the mysterious scum player to win. Hero, if that's going to be your ad campaign I hope you realize it's going to work for you as well as it did for PX. Get a new tune before you get kicked off this bucket. Mr. No name needs to give us an updated opinion on why he's surrendering what he thinks now that operation Vote Shadoweh got busted at the heels.
I mean damn Conq has a hurricane coming and he can make the time to post more then you two. :/
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IHNN, there are only 6 people alive and two flipped scum to work with; why do you not have any scumspects at all?
Affinity, why do you want to lynch Serela?
Hero's post where he votes Shadoweh reads like he's complaining about how many town PRs there are (and the vote on Shadoweh is based on PX's interactions with Shadoweh and not vv, when scum can interact with townies however they want). Hero, what made you decide to hammer PX yesterday?
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Ha ha ha, Don't worry I have the same problem as Conq.
@Conq: A Whim.
Anyways I probably should have more than this but ;effort;
Last I remembered NNR kinda refused to vote Shadoweh even when it was Her vs Him, and somewhere along the way ups and just decides to vote Shadoweh.
PX tunnels the life out of shadoweh, and for me considering its PX, I the possibility of bussing is somewhat high.
And that concludes what I've been doing all game long.
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in the past 14 hours there was 2 posts
:c
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@Serela: Well, yeah. It's like a coin flip between two-three people given utter lack of content throughout the game. Also, what do you think of Hero's vote? Explicitly scummy? Also, why not IHNN in your view?
@Conq: Serela is scum because D1 wagon analysis, and 'urgh okay I guess maybe PX is scum' D3, as well as D2 scarcity of vote and stuff (which counts because it was the only town lynch day so far).
@Hero: So you are relying completely on meta, and that if Shadoweh in this case was replaced with some random player, you would be happy to lynch them due to what their 'scumbuddies' did alone? Why didn't you come to this conclusion yesterday?
Furthermore, NNR was a mafia goon while Shadoweh would have been something else. If scum was really double-bussing on D1, why would they heap more weight on Shadoweh (PX, NNR) than the mafia goon (Shadoweh), behind the closed screen? Do you really think scum have so little respect for the night game?
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I'm semi-clearing IHNN because he is clearly being resigned to being lynched and stubbornly clung onto his Shadoweh vote yesterday even when it became uncool. Given PX's fate I would also think his scumbuddy would not go after Shadoweh anymore, but oh well, WIFOM. They are not giving us too much to work with anyway.
I really am fine with lynching Hero as well though. He hasn't looked too deeply. But oh well, Serela first.
##Vote: Serela
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@Hero: So you are relying completely on meta, and that if Shadoweh in this case was replaced with some random player, you would be happy to lynch them due to what their 'scumbuddies' did alone? Why didn't you come to this conclusion yesterday?
Furthermore, NNR was a mafia goon while Shadoweh would have been something else. If scum was really double-bussing on D1, why would they heap more weight on Shadoweh (PX, NNR) than the mafia goon (Shadoweh), behind the closed screen? Do you really think scum have so little respect for the night game?
##Vote: Serela
It has happened once. Do you not remember the quote I used from shadoweh's signature? I remember shadoweh's role in that game.
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(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc7lgyuoLU1rdm3rso1_500.jpg)
(2) Hero999 - Serela, Conqueror
(1) I have no name - Shadoweh
(1) Serela - Affinity
(1) Shadoweh - Hero999
Not Voting (1): I have no name
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to hammer. You have about 20 hours and 30 minutes left in the day.
Also not cool with today's activity level, even if nobody has hit the prod timer. Where are you guys?
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Where are you guys?
Work and hanging out with my little brother and dealing with school stuff and sleeping. All of which I rank as more important than Mafia. Though sleeping was only overnight.
I guess at this point the scum is probably between Serela Hero and Shadoweh since I don't see Conq as scum or Affinity as scum this game.
Of those I guess my priority would be Hero then Shadoweh? I guess Serela might be scum but I'm not sold on it. So yeah right now I guess I want Hero lynched (ironically for similar reasons that Shadoweh wants me lynched)
I mean damn Conq has a hurricane coming and he can make the time to post more then you two. :/
I have that coming too. and of course it made the grocery store I work at much busier due to last-second stocking up on supplies.
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@Hero: What? Wasn't that an open setup with 2 mafia goons and 1 mafia roleblocker. And wasn't Shadoweh the roleblocker? Don't get what you're saying here.
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And then we learned all the mafians live in the same city. Everyone is a Conq alt.
I'm semi-clearing IHNN because he is clearly being resigned to being lynched and stubbornly clung onto his Shadoweh vote yesterday even when it became uncool. Given PX's fate I would also think his scumbuddy would not go after Shadoweh anymore, but oh well, WIFOM. They are not giving us too much to work with anyway.
IHNN's scum game is to be as unhelpful as possible and right now he's pretty much not doing anything. He doesn't seem resigned (and I don't see why he would be since no one but me still wants him dead -.-)
Anyways I probably should have more than this but ;effort;
Last I remembered NNR kinda refused to vote Shadoweh even when it was Her vs Him, and somewhere along the way ups and just decides to vote Shadoweh.
I'm glad we're just saying things and acting like they happened instead of going back and reading, because that might do something silly like prove this isn't actually what happened. I wasn't a wagon until the very end of the day. We have this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901416.html#msg901416) where NNR is trying to justify his terrible 'prod vote', then NNR doesn't post again until here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901475.html#msg901475) where we get a 'oh I might have to vote Shadoweh oh no' followed in the very next post about 9 minutes later with a 'oh yeah TOTES SCUM VOTE SHADOWEH'. So yeah. He seemed pretty happy with his Not My Fault wagon.
PX tunnels the life out of shadoweh, and for me considering its PX, I the possibility of bussing is somewhat high.
Loving for bussing aside, there are actually games where PX votes people who aren't scum even when he's scum you know.
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Bleh fine.
##Vote: Nameless
This is not a vote. This is merely the image of a vote.
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I just remembered, PX blew his role on a gamble.
Ex. Roleclop on shadoweh.
There were 8 people alive.
In what way would this have been a good gamble by scum?
1) PX busses for town credit.
2) PX busses for whatever reason.
If we lynched Shadoweh he would likely gain towncreds and be ignored for a little longer, or
We lynched PX and Shadoweh would supposely be in the clear due to being counter wagon to scum, and scum failing a gambit on her.
Also, Conq has been talking about how Shadoweh was reacting weirdly or something.
On another note.
The simple answer to that is PX paniced and did it without consulting you. Or did it for the lulz. There's no reason to believe he would listen to you in the first place, if he were there would probably be better kills then Raikaria and Polaris.
Your pressure vote on him actually reads more like a note on how bad IHNN is and how you were ready to switch back at the end of day consolidation. That combined with you of all people suddenly forgetting game balance and thinking Cop + Roleclop = Vanilla genius! Makes me believe you aren't thinking and already know this is bullHONK and now you're trying to make your partner's SPECIAL move seem plausable. I will not accept less then success this time, once PX is booted out the door tomorrow you're next.
Ha ha ha, so like you were so sure of Conq scum in this post. Then all of a sudden you vote IHNN.
What happened to the thing about Conq you were completely on to about?
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PX would never havve gotten credit as a cop because he would never have died. :V
Honestly I still don't know what to think of Conq, but I'm fairly sure he could have pushed the wagon back over the edge on me instead of PX. That alone tentatively makes me clear him for today.
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PX would never havve gotten credit as a cop because he would never have died. :V
Honestly I still don't know what to think of Conq, but I'm fairly sure he could have pushed the wagon back over the edge on me instead of PX. That alone tentatively makes me clear him for today.
One-shot, in what way is that a reason for scum to kill him?
He used up his power, the only thing he has left is his vote. He was a one-shot, people will be less suspicious of the fact that he wasn't NK'd due to that fact alone.
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He could always have been lying or something (If he was town. Lying about being a one-shot cop when you have more, to try and get more results, doesn't sound like a bad idea)
Affinity:Not really -explicitly- scummy (I do see where he's coming from, and in the case he isn't scum we're going to be in LyLo and have to seriously worry about whether it was a scum gambit or not) but it also feels like a rather questionable vote, -especially- due to the fact that he didn't have any reasons Shadoweh was scum herself. "PX may have been bussing her!" is NOT an excuse to not have a single comment on her actual play >_>
He follows up on the case since then, but it's only with NNR's handling of her rather then her own play, again. :T
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IHNN's scum game is to be as unhelpful as possible and right now he's pretty much not doing anything. He doesn't seem resigned (and I don't see why he would be since no one but me still wants him dead -.-)
Actually my mafia play is proportional to how much other stuff I have going on, and I haven't been scum in...10 games or so? Oh, how dare I not do anything while asleep. and I am resigned since with PX's flip I can see that as pretty damning evidence that I have no way to refute.
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(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbiwnwTlIc1r4t9h1o1_1280.jpg)
(2) Hero999 - Serela, Conqueror
(2) I have no name - Shadoweh, Affinity
(1) Shadoweh - Hero999
Not Voting (1): I have no name
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to hammer. You have about 4 hours left in the day.
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Oh, how dare I not do anything while asleep. and I am resigned since with PX's flip I can see that as pretty damning evidence that I have no way to refute.
...And yet you still are voting...no one with 4 hours left in the day. Touche.
Hero's case is really reaching but at least he's trying; it's almost like he believes it. >_> Tempted to switch to IHNN; he could be resigned scum who sees the cards stacked against him and just doesn't want to expend the effort.
Actually, yeah, I think I will. Hero's swing vote onto NNR gets more townpoints than IHNN's early bandwagon and votepark. IHNN not swinging onto Shadoweh when the wagon came up could be attributed to people saying they would vote Shadoweh given deadline (Polaris, Raikaria) or not wanting to draw attention by making important end swing votes.
##Unvote
##Vote IHNN
Honestly I still don't know what to think of Conq, but I'm fairly sure he could have pushed the wagon back over the edge on me instead of PX. That alone tentatively makes me clear him for today.
In all honesty I probably would have bussed PX as scum. But I also would have killed you instead of Dormio for suspecting me (since I probably wouldn't have been interested in a Dormio lynch regardless). >_>
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power just flickered over here
are we going to lynch someone or what
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Hahaha...how lame. Do I really have to do this again?
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##Unvote
##Vote IHNN
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HAMMER SHUT UP
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(4) I have no name - Shadoweh, Affinity, Conqueror, Hero999 (Lynch!)
(1) Hero999 - Serela
Not Voting (1): I have no name
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I have no name - a crested barbet staring into the camera - Vanilla Townie - flew away Day 4
It is now Night 4. You have 26 hours and 20 minutes to send in Night Actions. Do not post game-related content in this thread until Day 5.
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10 lynches left. This one is way too easy.
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Is it Sandy? I can't see how many letters it is
This might be the first mafia game canceled due to hurricane, does that make Sandy scum?
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Sandy is the secret third party whose win condition is for the game to go into pause
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STARLINE (all of those letters as individual guesses)
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the walpurgis of all birds even.
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RELENTLESS
See, I made a word that used RLSTNE only. Harder mode.
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12 lynches
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DMCHAO :justasplanned:
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11 lynches. You guessed wrong :V
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11 lynches. You guessed wrong :V
you know what I meant that was 6 letter guesses not a word guess I demand that lynch back
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Has this ever happened to you?
So, my boyfriend and I recently broke up. And, today, I went to the store where you guess the sexualities of people. You know, the sexualities guessing store. Well, my first opponent was none other than my ex. I knew he was gay, so that's what I wrote on the paper. BUT, when they revealed the correct answer, it turns out he is straight. No wonder we broke up.
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Has this ever happened to you?
So, my boyfriend and I recently broke up. And, today, I went to the store where you guess the sexualities of people. You know, the sexualities guessing store. Well, my first opponent was none other than my ex. I knew he was gay, so that's what I wrote on the paper. BUT, when they revealed the correct answer, it turns out he is straight. No wonder we broke up.
like dis if u cry evry time...
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You know, the sexualities guessing store.
what do they sell there?
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Knowledge.
But not wisdom.
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(http://i.imgur.com/NXoLo.png) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/juliepersons/8056606140/sizes/l/in/photostream/)
Conqueror - literal Pope Cuckoobeater in training - Vanilla Townie - left the aviary Night 4
It is now Day 5. You have 48 hours to decide on a lynch. With 4 alive, it takes 3 to hammer.
Town is in LYLO!
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So it's either Hero or Shadoweh.
The person who seems really scummy, or the person who the scum might have been hardbussing the entire game (It's a silly thought, but we've seen similar grades of bussing on motk before, and the fact that it's so silly is why it can work)
Thoughts?
We can have votes down without risk of scum quickhammering, but I'm still not going to actually do it >_>
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So you are saying it can't be you or Affinity? I mean Conq did kinda want you dead all and over...
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Affinity is a town read (I mean I guess he could be scum but there's no way I'd bet on it over Hero/Shadoweh) and well how much do you expect me to argue that I'M scum
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for that matter hero what are your opinions
you really don't seem to give them out very easily this game :I
I'm fairly sure I'd rather lynch Hero then Shadoweh, but it's lylo so I'm certainly going to wait for everyone else to weigh in first
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Since I'm bored, some reasons the game is kind of stagnate-y
-Several people were interested in lynching Conq, but no one could actually come up with any reason why, so no discussion about it ever occurred
-IHNN and Hero become highly suspect starting d3- and don't do a thing about it, so the cases on them never really change or expand and it generates no discussion
-Cases on Shadoweh after PX dies aren't actually related to Shadoweh's play, so there's not a thing she can say in response to them- not much in the way of discussion apart from people saying it's silly
And so, nothing has really happened since day 2 ended, apart from the decision over lynching PX or Shadoweh after he claimed.
Honestly, if Affinity IS scum, he's gotten away pretty scot-free, because all he's had to do is throw out a somewhat reasonable post and he can glide along looking better then most of the players.
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Popcorn massclaim?
Would like shadoweh to claim first.
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We are lynching shadoweh today by the way.
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I am half-awake. I tried to stay up until the mafia started and it didn't work
If I were anything important I'd be much angrier that you were trying to lynch me. I'm a vanilla parakeet sporting an ahoge. I'm not sure what an ahoge is actually but the parakeet is cute at least.
>:T
Why don't you go next then, my dear Affinity who is certainly not scum for trying to finish the job of his ancestors? Jumbled half asleep vote analysis:
Day 1:
(7) NekoNekoRex - Polaris, I have no name, Shadoweh, Hero999, Affinity, Dormio, Raikaria (L-0!)
(5) Shadoweh - Conqueror, WHMZakeri, Serela, PX, NekoNekoRex
Day 2:
(6) Zakeri - Affinity, Conqueror, Serela, Shadoweh, I have no name, Hero999
Day 3:
(5) PX - Affinity, Shadoweh, Conqueror, Serela, Hero999
Day 4:
(4) I have no name - Shadoweh, Affinity, Conqueror, Hero999
I have serious doubts the entire red team bussed me in a row, so Serela is out. Affinity has been involved in pushing all the wagons every day whereas Hero has been if I remember correctly, doing not much and hammering when it came down to it. It's honestly hard to say which one is scummier for respective parties. Affinity is really good at justifying votes onto any wagon as scum and I can't remember one he was unconvinced to follow onto. Affinity, why did you agree to lynch IHNN over Hero yesterday?
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Your sweet honeyed words and IHNN's lack of being here even when he is. At least hero believed in his case and stuff despite not caring about anything else.
As for not disagreeing with anything, I disagreed with your lynch, and was one of the pioneers behind the d2 and 3 lynches anyways.
I claim duckling falling from a tree, vanilla townie.
Hero can go next.
Serela why didnt you talk about nameless yesterday even after I asked you?
I'll talk about who I hate later.
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I admit that my words were as sexy as touhous dripped in honey but you were voting for Serela not Hero? What does Hero believing in PX's will have to do with that?
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That's more edible than sexy. Boy, has it been a long time since I had honey.
Let's say I believed that Serela's involvement in your lynch D1 and late switch to PX D3, and sudden jump in confidence (by jumping onto Hero when he had not been voting the entire game), felt more scummy than Hero's inactivity and his out-there case (which I feel is more townie-like than Serela's okay but run-of-the-mill Hero vote).
I notice I did not articulate this yesterday, which was weird. Oh well, hooray for apathy.
I'm sorry Shadoweh, but I am scared of you living too long. This LyLO is like an exercise in WIFOM; will scum really do this and not NK the confirmed townie no one wants to lynch?
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Scum never nightkill me. Never. Unless they ask Keine.
But to say I'm considered confirmed town in this scenario when at least one other member of our LYLO audience has been doing nothing but producing rabid cases on me would be wrong. Serela is easily convinced to doubt himself and vote with his paranoia. This is to my eyes a perfect opportunity for you to win. You're considered more town by both of them then I am.
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By confirmed townie, I meant before LyLO. There was pretty much no appetite for your lynch in general by non-scum, with the exception of Hero. In my eyes, it seems like the perfect opportunity for you to win as well.
Okay, given the general lethargy of everyone these two days, I've looked back at PX's and NNR's D1 posts. Excuse my use of 'tells', which is so not-me, but in general, when one scum is pretending to press another scumbuddy, he is often silent about the remaining scumbuddy, as if playing angry family with both would feel like overkill.
This post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901295.html#msg901295) seems to show this; notice that NNR berates PX for trying to policy lynch Serela, and goes after Serela anyway here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901363.html#msg901363) for lack of content. It seems like he's taking Serela as more like an outsider rather than a scumbuddy; bussing rarely happens in such a grey manner. I suppose, this combined with the implication that all scum leaped onto Shadoweh one after another late on D1 if Serela is scum, plus his okay content on Hero these two days, changed my mind.
More importantly, I've noticed that Hero is prone to sheeping... PX and NNR. This post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901365.html#msg901365) on D1, he goes after Ralkaria for PX's reason here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901243.html#msg901243) (exact same quote), and his Polaris thing is very much akin to NNR's on the same page (without a vote, and he voted for Zakeri on D2 without addressing Polaris ever again). Continuing this trend is carrying of the 'hate Shadoweh' thing from PX, and I don't think this is pure coincidence. Couple this with the fact that he votes for NNR here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901457.html#msg901457) over Shadoweh when he said that he could not see the NNR case at all, and bleh, Hero is scum.
His snap-attacking of me having an unjustified opinion when I said I wanted to lynch Shadoweh strikes me as weird given that he wants to lynch Shadoweh too.
Unless someone can give me a reason to, I've decided not to care about Shadoweh anymore and stand by my belief that 2 scum wagons on D1 are stupid. If Shadoweh is indeed scum, then grats for avoiding town power roles for two days straight while systematically NK'ing all of them, but whatever. In the end,
##Vote: Hero999 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJSCnWKq3Bw)
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sudden jump in confidence (by jumping onto Hero when he had not been voting the entire game)
What, do you want me to keep not voting or something
(Oh wait, I actually am right now :c)
Serela why didnt you talk about nameless yesterday even after I asked you?
Oops. I knew you had asked me a question so I went back and found it, but if you asked me more then one it totally slipped my mind.
This LyLO is like an exercise in WIFOM; will scum really do this and not NK the confirmed townie no one wants to lynch?
This line is horrible. Conq and Affinity himself both fall under these terms far more, ESPECIALLY considering one of the people has Shadoweh as their most desired wagon and I had already voiced unsettlement with having to worry about whether it actually is a hardbussing gambit with Shadoweh or not. (Even if Shadoweh wasn't viable, Conq was even less lynchable at that point, so it's not like he was a strange NK result)
However, rather then try and attempt to start a silly Affinity wagon out of nowhere (I'm pretty sure I remember several things he's done that could be painted red, and considered making one mostly just to see how other people reacted to it, e.g. if Hero or Shadoweh tried just going "oh, well maybe he is scum"), his recent Hero case also just solidifies my scum read of Hero, so, yeah.
I'll wait until he claims just because (and then I'll be following), but, yeah. ...oh wait, has Affinity even claimed? Whatever :T With all the town PRs that have already flipped, it'd be a big surprise if anyone didn't claim vanilla.
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I'll wait until he claims just because (and then I'll be following), but, yeah. ...oh wait, has Affinity even claimed? Whatever :T With all the town PRs that have already flipped, it'd be a big surprise if anyone didn't claim vanilla.
hE CLAIMED TO BE VANILLA DUCKING TOWN,
aRE YOU CLAIMING TO BE,
vANILLA TOWN sERELA?
Were you going to answer the question Affinity asked instead of saying you forgot his question? Why didn't you talk about Nameless yesterday? Serela, we are in LYLO, the least you can do instead of thinking about how 'silly' an Affinity wagon would be is to read it and see if he's as townie as you remember or not. You didn't even read him close enough to see if he claimed. -.-
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I totally read his posts all the way, I just kind of forgot that part D:
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I'm
a bunch of quaker parrots playing near the water, Vanilla Townie.
Anyways
##Vote Shadoweh
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Actually scratch that
##Unvote Shadoweh
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Yes I'm vanilla townie
I am a group of snuggling baby budgies
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By confirmed townie, I meant before LyLO. There was pretty much no appetite for your lynch in general by non-scum, with the exception of Hero. In my eyes, it seems like the perfect opportunity for you to win as well.
Okay, given the general lethargy of everyone these two days, I've looked back at PX's and NNR's D1 posts. Excuse my use of 'tells', which is so not-me, but in general, when one scum is pretending to press another scumbuddy, he is often silent about the remaining scumbuddy, as if playing angry family with both would feel like overkill.
This post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901295.html#msg901295) seems to show this; notice that NNR berates PX for trying to policy lynch Serela, and goes after Serela anyway here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901363.html#msg901363) for lack of content. It seems like he's taking Serela as more like an outsider rather than a scumbuddy; bussing rarely happens in such a grey manner. I suppose, this combined with the implication that all scum leaped onto Shadoweh one after another late on D1 if Serela is scum, plus his okay content on Hero these two days, changed my mind.
More importantly, I've noticed that Hero is prone to sheeping... PX and NNR. This post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901365.html#msg901365) on D1, he goes after Ralkaria for PX's reason here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901243.html#msg901243) (exact same quote), and his Polaris thing is very much akin to NNR's on the same page (without a vote, and he voted for Zakeri on D2 without addressing Polaris ever again). Continuing this trend is carrying of the 'hate Shadoweh' thing from PX, and I don't think this is pure coincidence. Couple this with the fact that he votes for NNR here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13606.msg901457.html#msg901457) over Shadoweh when he said that he could not see the NNR case at all, and bleh, Hero is scum.
His snap-attacking of me having an unjustified opinion when I said I wanted to lynch Shadoweh strikes me as weird given that he wants to lynch Shadoweh too.
Unless someone can give me a reason to, I've decided not to care about Shadoweh anymore and stand by my belief that 2 scum wagons on D1 are stupid. If Shadoweh is indeed scum, then grats for avoiding town power roles for two days straight while systematically NK'ing all of them, but whatever. In the end,
##Vote: Hero999 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJSCnWKq3Bw)
Well then, no comment.
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From the top of my head I would call those coincidences but as a certain person would say...
"There is no such thing as coincidences."
Why the hell are people congratulating a person for winning if they are scum already?
Serela says that about Affinity, then Affinity comes out of no where and says that about Shadoweh.
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I would not really call what I pointed out a snap-attack, more of a fact. I realized afterwards that you possibly didn't want to specifically because it was lylo. But I never bothered to correct myself.
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Serela, we are in LYLO, the least you can do instead of thinking about how 'silly' an Affinity wagon would be is to read it and see if he's as townie as you remember or not. You didn't even read him close enough to see if he claimed. -.-
Hero is kind of so bad that even if I go "Oh Affinity's also looking pretty scummy", I mean... then I'd just feel more uneasy and probably lynch Hero anyway.
Hero you still haven't even given any opinions today :I
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Oh right.
##Vote Hero999
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Serela, if you're scum then congratulations for win.. wait.
##Vote: Hero999
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:getdown:
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(http://i.imgur.com/aNRzJ.png)
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Unless someone can give me a reason to, I've decided not to care about Shadoweh anymore and stand by my belief that 2 scum wagons on D1 are stupid.
Well, they are.
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(http://i.imgur.com/ayCGz.jpg)
Hero999 - a bunch of quaker parrots playing near the water - Vanilla Townie - flew away Day 5
(http://i.imgur.com/ybPVj.jpg)
Serela - a group of snuggling baby budgies - Vanilla Townie - endgamed
(http://i.imgur.com/YF6I6.jpg)
Affinity - a duckling falling from a tree - Vanilla Townie - endgamed
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7025/6451223493_4e3804801b_b_d.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/skagitman/6451223493/sizes/l/in/photostream/)
Shadoweh - a snowy owl not giving a fuck - Mafia 1-Shot Reflexive Roleblocker - has won the game!
Mod QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/3aAJcW6wLef)
Scum QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/TxLfDiDieqZc)
Dead QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/D4gL3AWduRJ)
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Yay
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Hope you guys enjoyed the game. I thought it was a good read up until the stagnation around D4 or so. I would name Affinity as Town MVP and PX as Scum MVP, but I think both of their games suffered after their moments of glory. They still probably deserve it.
also px stop fucking killing all the power roles why do i even put them in my games
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Called it.
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HW, he had to make sure it really was mostly vanilla like you said
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Oh yeah.
Comments on set-up balance even though it barely mattered? I feel like the role cop seemed underwhelming to everyone, but Jailkeeper was an implied clear, Reflexive Friendly Neighbor was an instant clear and the 1-shot rolecop was an instant guilty. Given that JK is pretty buff and there was potential for a strong clear (hell, even claiming Reflexive Friendly Neighbor without being targeted probably would've made Dormio look good) I didn't think it was that bad. Plus the 1-shot reflexive roleblocker would've been a pretty obvious scum role if it was targeted after its roleblock was used up.
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THAT WAS ME
NOT GIVING A FUCK
OR A HOOT
CONQ I AM SO SORRY
SO SORRY
I WOULD ESPECIALLY LIKE TO THANK THE SCUM TEAM. THANK YOU FOR ATTEMPTING TO KILL ME HARDER THEN THE TOWNIES EVER DID. A SPECIAL THANK YOU GOES OUT TO PX FOR DECIDING TO COP ME OUT OF NOWHERE. THAT WAS REALLY WELL PLANNED AND I ENJOYED PUSHING YOU OFF A BOAT. I WOULD LIKE TO SOMEDAY PLAY IN A GAME WHERE MY PARTNERS DOD NOT ATTEMPT TO KILL ME ALL THE TIME. EDIBLBL I BLAME YOU FOR THIS BALANCED GAME OF MAFIA REDUX
11 VS 1 NOW I AM GOING HOME WITH MY MILLION DOLLARS
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Also Edible is this game's czar of adorableness for the PMs he sent me.
http://i.imgur.com/020Fm.gif
(http://i48.tinypic.com/2vwsfer.png)
http://ahjiao.tumblr.com/
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That ahjiao blog gives me the bird equivalent of :3 every time I see it.
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I only ever attempted to kill Shadoweh as hard as he killed me >_>
I blame PX for this blund- oh wait we won
Also yeah for my first scum game here I was kind of awful
I'm out of practice...
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I only ever attempted to kill Shadoweh as hard as he killed me >_>
I blame PX for this blund- oh wait we won
Also yeah for my first scum game here I was kind of awful
I'm out of practice...
Shoulda tried harder. No partner has ever bussed me and lived to tell the tale. O_O
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> Dual scum wagons D1
Wonderful.
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And the one who lived went on to win. :/
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Considering the amount of people still after me I expect it was not because of the wagons, but because I actually got off my hands and posted :words: but I am grateful for the experience because it has reminded me how to write mafia posts again
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Considering the amount of people still after me I expect it was not because of the wagons, but because I actually got off my hands and posted :words: but I am grateful for the experience because it has reminded me how to write mafia posts again
What no more declarations of
RED TOWNIE!?
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I was yellow as can be :D Serial killer extraordinaire! I started with my buddies AND THEN I CAME FOR YOU HERO
I let you post this time though so be happy for that. Affinity doesn't like candy very much
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I wonder why,
Is it because its HALLOWEEN!?
Yellow Scum :<
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shadoweh winning as scum is no doubt the spookiest halloween surprise in some time
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> Serela is alive at LYLO
> Town loses
HOW DID I KNOW?
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Ok Raikaria
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Ok Raikaria
Well every game I've been in Serela has been alive at LYLO and town loses. [TD, Magical Madness and now this]
Hell, even Kamen Rider Serela was part of the group that cause the game to be canceled.
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I only ever attempted to kill Shadoweh as hard as he killed me >_>
You just finished a game as her scumbuddy.
No, seriously, how can you be this bad?
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Good job.
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Good job Shadoweh, your hard work and dedication really pulled it through for the scum team. We're all very impressed by your ability to act townie even when you're being cop bussed again. Here's a pat on the back for you!
:<
Good job.
:D
I know it's fun to laugh at Serela but I like to think I did a good acting job in the first place. :<
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yeah i definitely agree you played it pretty well given that by the time d5 rolled around all the accusations against you were based on your buddy's actions rather than your own
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yeah i definitely agree you played it pretty well given that by the time d5 rolled around all the accusations against you were based on your buddy's actions rather than your own
Yeah that was completely ridiculous. If you were lynched I would have called it a lucky crapshoot.
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I know it's fun to laugh at Serela but I like to think I did a good acting job in the first place. :<
... Who says I was being sarcastic to Serela?
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ggwp
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._.
GJ SHADOWEH
PX I think this was the best game I've ever seen you play. If only you had went after someone other than Shadoweh on D3 while 'relenting' I think we would have loved you more. But your D1 was stellar, things considered.
IHNN please don't give up even you are under the burden of 'connections'. Always make a case on who you think is scum and do townie things, and people might consider pressing other people. Accepting your lynch just like that is bad for everyone who isn't scum.
Has Polaris improved tenfold since the last time I've seen him play?
Other than that, enjoyable game sans D4. Would play again. We have to work on the apathy thing though.
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IHNN please don't give up even you are under the burden of 'connections'. Always make a case on who you think is scum and do townie things, and people might consider pressing other people. Accepting your lynch just like that is bad for everyone who isn't scum.
As mentioned in the graveyard I had no internet for the 4 hours preceding my lynch. Even still, I think the best argument I could have pulled would be self-meta on "would I really buddy my scumbuddy that much?"
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i thought the d1 nightkill was random enough to warrant a px lynch :V
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Has Polaris improved tenfold since the last time I've seen him play?
this so much
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I kind of went into confirmation bias mode on D2, partly because of real world stuff making me lazy to play the game, so I can't say I played that well. :(
I suppose posting at all is an improvement from past games, though
I also had no idea what to do as Jailkeeper. I thought Affinity was obvtown so I protected him both N1 and N2, but scum decided to drop all the power roles first :( I was like, "why isn't Affinity dying" :(
I only died N2 because PX rolecopped me N1 :V It surprised me when I died since I didn't expect scum to have a rolecop on top of town's and I could've totally been pushed as a mislynch :L
Gosh, double scum wagons on D1 :( K4U told me it was impossible :( I guess it is possible if town gets super lucky, although it ended up being a detriment since we gave Shadoweh a free pass for nearly the rest of the game.
I thought scum win was certain when I learned that Shadoweh was scum because of the D1 wagon fact, although I was hopeful when PX claimed cop :V Once PX flipped scum, I was hoping that people would wonder why PX would fake a copclaim to out Shadoweh as scum when, if she flipped town, PX would obviously be lynched the next day. It would make sense for PX to get a Shadoweh flip for towncred and get a free pass to endgame, although it might only make sense in retrospect. Not sure what I would've thought if the scum wasn't revealed to me beforehand.
Anyway, it was a fun game! 48hr days kept the game from dragging on and I'd say I prefer them over 72hr days, even if it ends up causing lame end-of-day flashwagons :V
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Is someone going to link those QTs?
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Mod QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/3aAJcW6wLef)
Scum QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/TxLfDiDieqZc)
Dead QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/D4gL3AWduRJ)
@BT: It was at the bottom of the endgame post.
@Polaris: Honestly speaking?
I did say that Polaris, just no one believed it. I think Affinity dismissed it as meta, and WIFOM.
I never know what Serela is thinking.
And well Shadoweh just hates me and wanted to derail it.
Real problem was I didn't try hard enough.
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Kitten4u really liked your case Hero, especially the DON'T MAKE THAT MISTAKE part. But Shadoweh can never be scum. :)
You did almost convince Affinity of it and you can see I didn't like all the words you were saying D:<
It's not that I hate you, I just hate the truth. Die speaker of thing better left under Conq's corpse!
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Well played by scum (literally just got power back right now after losing it right after the D4 lynch so I don't know if I would have been replaced/modkilled or whatever if I had stayed alive).
Funnily enough I convinced myself while walking around in circles without power that Hero was town because tunneling Shadoweh would be a suicide move as scum...and I probably would have lynched Serela or Shadoweh (but probably Serela, SHADOWEH YOU'RE A JERK AND I'M NEVER LISTENING TO YOUR ATE AGAIN AND MY ANALYSIS WAS TOTALLY VALID).
For the theorists, the reason why D1 dual scum wagons were possible was because I conjured the Shadoweh wagon out of thin air. I think this tells us that last minute wagons are basically immune to analysis. >_> In any case I'm glad this happened because next time I'm entitled to quicklynch Shadoweh regardless of wagons etc.
But yeah, pretty enjoyable game overall, although hurricane shenans probably put a damper into D4.
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;_; No one commented on my AWESOME JOKE, huhwhat.
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don't worry one day i will host pictures of bards mafia for real and they will be forced to
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Oh I just got that joke
I can be slow sometimes
Windshield wiper bird was the best tho
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don't worry one day i will host pictures of bards mafia for real and they will be forced to
Mafia team can be pictures of bards in frilly dresses
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All I remember from this game was thinking hero was town.
Also PX suiciding on Shadoweh should have been a red flag
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pictures of bards
(http://i.imgur.com/A52Fz.png)(http://i.imgur.com/oGIJ6.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/dbFB8.png)
Great theme, would play.
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But we're getting Pictures of Serela Mafia instead? :ohdear:
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Zak didn't you say you should play more like Serela anyways? It's everything you ever dreamed of!
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I think I need a better role model.
Someone like...
Like...
umm.
I can't think of anyone.
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(http://i.imgur.com/A52Fz.png)(http://i.imgur.com/oGIJ6.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/dbFB8.png)
Great theme, would play.
Shakespeare isn't a bard silly.
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Shakespeare isn't a bard silly.
Shakespeare's known as the Bard of Avon.
Amusingly, those images are my favourite FE unit alongside Ninian, my favourite British figure of history (we owe "tomorrow" to him!) and an anime people keep thinking my name is from.
Wait.
Is bard mafia meant to be Bardiche Mafia.
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Oh. I legitimately didn't know that.
You learn summthing new every day.
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Is bard mafia meant to be Bardiche Mafia.
:3c
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I just want to say I kept seeing this thread in my unread posts list and every single time my brain really wanted it to be, like, Hatoful Boyfriend Mafia. That's totally pictures of birds! :V
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You're a horrible person for even mentioning that game.
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But it's hilarious! :3
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But it's hilarious! :3
Run it yourself then. There is a queue for it :3
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Run it yourself then. There is a queue for it :3
Naw, I don't actually play Mafia. I tried once and it just stressed me way the fuck out. I just felt a burning need to comment on a quirk my brain had re: seeing this thread existing. Thanks though. <3
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Naw, I don't actually play Mafia. I tried once and it just stressed me way the fuck out. I just felt a burning need to comment on a quirk my brain had re: seeing this thread existing. Thanks though. <3
Modding a game is more relaxing than playing it and there are plenty of willing victims participants
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Modding a game is more relaxing than playing it and there are plenty of willing victims participants
Yeah, but I figure, probably not good to mod without a fair bit of experience from the other side of things. Besides, I know a lot of you frequent players have games you wanna mod too and the queue's pretty long. I shall leave it to the experts. ;)
Your faith in me is nonetheless appreciated~