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Creating because I have a witty title, the previous thread is now locked AND...
because Nitori has now ruined 5 perfect MoF lunatic Stage 3 runs. I hate your final spellcard so much...
Share you tales of woe righteous anger here.
Oh and Sapz, there is luck in shmups :V
1. FUCKING HELL NONAME
:dealwithit:
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Aarg, I was supposed to get the new thread :<
Previous Topic:
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12226.0.html
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1. FUCKING HELL NONAME
2. Nothing to rage about really.
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1. FUCKING HELL NONAME
2. Nothing to rage about really.
You already had your turn.
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Herp.
I feel the same way about Aya because her stage hates me even on normal if I forget how to do even one little part of it.
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Aarg, I was supposed to get the new thread :<
Previous Topic:
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12226.0.html
Sorry I keep ninja-ing you by a little over a minute, but hey, I'm one less person making rage threads (right Esu...)
you can take the accomplishments thread when it gets around to a new one.
I want to tear out your spine and replace it with a bunch of frogs.
I feel the same way about Aya because her stage hates me even on normal if I forget how to do even one little part of it.
Well that's not very nice.
Get mad at Momiji if you fail the stage, not Aya for that.
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oh right Momiji and the waterfall immediately after have ended every perfect attempt that got there. Stupid dog wolf...
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I want to tear out your spine and replace it with a bunch of frogs.
And just who is this directed at? You already got in trouble for this once. Choose your words better.
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First I get a no death run with Suwako and then I die to the nonspell after Party Start. What the fuck.
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I love those invisible fairies in EoSD Extra
By love I mean want to brutally murder
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Died at Utsuho's third non-spell on Lunatic. There goes my 1cc. :(
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Subscribing for now even though I'll probably have something to rage at in an hour or two anyway.
Totally not going to be UFO.
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HNNNNNNGGGGGGG
ORIN I HATE YOU WITH THE PASSION OF A THOUSAND SUNS
Though most of the reason I game over'd to Orin was because I derped twice to Yuugi, one being from the first nonspell causing me to fail to capture the first card.
But I still hate Orin.
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Oh and Sapz, there is luck in shmups :V
Not any more, there isn't. :V
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Murasa.
Your fucking stage.
First time, you let me dick around without losing a majority of my lives.
THEN I GAME OVER WHEN I STARTED WITH FIVE LIVES.
WHAT THE HELL AND THEY WERE ALL FUCKING CLIPS.
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I'll follow Sapz' lead because that'll mean I have captured DOJ Hibachi's final attack three times and luck had nothing to do with it. :V
I have nothing to rant about for this post. It's just to get a post in this thread to stay updated about it. One thing that is quite rage worthy is that I'm sick and thus completed zapped from any energy to play shmups. In fact, my eyesight is a bit blurry. :(
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I'll follow Sapz' lead because that'll mean I have captured DOJ Hibachi's final attack three times and luck had nothing to do with it. :V
I have nothing to rant about for this post. It's just to get a post in this thread to stay updated about it. One thing that is quite rage worthy is that I'm sick and thus completed zapped from any energy to play shmups. In fact, my eyesight is a bit blurry. :(
I think I was sick when I pulled off my TD Normal 1cc.
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I'm not playing TD if that is your point. :V
For me, being sick usually involves my reaction time turning to garbage together with my reading ability and controlling ability. Those things needs to be in top shape to play the things I like to play properly so I don't really want to. I could probably 1cc IN/MoF or SA Lunatic without too much trouble even now but my performance would be so bad that it wouldn't be much fun. :)
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Being sick is all fun and games until you really are sick, until then it's more fun to simply act like you are.
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Not any more, there isn't. :V
Yes there is :V
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Not any more, there isn't. :V
Then what about this? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBaS8HKnlII)
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Then what about this? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBaS8HKnlII)
You zoned out too hard :V
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Why the hell can't I play anything to save my life today? In SA I'm losing lives TO PARSEE. In UFO I'm losing more than two lives TO ICHIRIN. In PCB Chen's obliterating my stock, in MoF Minoriko keeps killing me, and my patience is whittled down so badly that a cherry is bigger in physical size.
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Damnit.
Only 14 cards left and not a single one of them seems willing to crack.
I've seen the last phase of Pandemonium...just lol, fuck no.
I've seen the last phase of Rain on the Afterworld Journey, aka "just move really slowly and hope nothing hits you because if you think you can actually read anything you're hilarious".
Bar of the Ten Kings is basically "lol suffer through half a minute of pure tedious boredom every time you fail at the few parts that have any difficulty at all". It's like this card wants to be the Prismriver Sisters or something.
Cleansed Crystal Judgment is that plus a shitton of clipdeath.
I could go on.
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You can do it!
If a ragebaby like me can 1cc something on Lunatic, as laughably easy as it is, you can do this.
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Hah! Where's my encouragement? :getdown:
..I suppose I'll have to work at actually beating Aya before Kanako on Lunatic, but still >:V
It is kind of silly that I can do so well and only get as far as the final card for both her and Okuu on Hard >_>
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Then what about this? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBaS8HKnlII)
That's no luck, it's clever planning combined with careful positioning.
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That's no luck, it's clever planning combined with careful positioning.
Strategic flailing.
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That's no luck, it's clever planning combined with careful positioning.
Then explain most of the lucky dodges thread :V
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I believe the term is 'divine intervention'.
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A lucky dodge is when a bullet decides to dodge you.
What am I doing in HME right now, please excuse my intrusion :blush:
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Strategic flailing.
This right here.
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We're not playing by the rules anymore. Apparently Ichirin doesn't find it necessary to fire bullets at me no more, instead she goes all dirty tricks and fucking rams me when I'm not paying attention to her. B|
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So I'm playing PCB normal. I've managed to get to stage 5 without losing a life. This looks like it's shaping up to be my best run so far...
And my computer dies.
No warning, nothing at all. Just the screen suddenly going black and the engines winding down.
Graaaaaaaaah!
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So I'm playing PCB normal. I've managed to get to stage 5 without losing a life. This looks like it's shaping up to be my best run so far...
And my computer dies.
No warning, nothing at all. Just the screen suddenly going black and the engines winding down.
Graaaaaaaaah!
your computer could be overheating. Check the inside for dust.
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Actually I found out later that it was one of those stupid microsoft updates. Since I was playing in fullscreen, the countdown didn't appear.
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Lunatic Keine is pretty grating.
Same goes for Marisa though.
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Whenever I choose an option after finishing a level e.g. save the replay or return to title, SA crashes. Fucking Windows, I'm fucking fed up with this OS.
Thank you for not saving my stage 5 Hard MarisaA replay.
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PoFV Normal with Youmu:
Stages 1-7: no deaths (yes, I didn't die to Aya, though it was quite tense)
Stage 8: 1 death (better than expected)
*Enters Shikieiki with 3 lives remaining*
I swear to god, Shikieiki has the most insane survival time ever, especially when she's down to 1/2 dot.
Round I: Messed up real badly, let's not talk about this one.
Rounds II-III: Shikieiki goes down to 1/2 dot every time before I do, and yet... I die first.
Round IV: Shikieiki goes down to 1/2 dot. I was at 3 health dots, I believe. I charge for a spell attack, and get hit in the process, bringing me down to 1/2 dot. Guess what happens? The charge meter doesn't fill at all because I already unleashed my spell attack. As a result, I died 5 seconds later. Game over.
I had three chances to get the 1cc on this attempt, and I burned them all.
...God dammit.
Replay (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20670)
This run had some really what-worthy dodges.
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Also, Apollo 13 on hard.
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Actually I found out later that it was one of those stupid microsoft updates. Since I was playing in fullscreen, the countdown didn't appear.
This is why you disable those and do them manually :V. It saves a lot of headaches.
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(http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/238/651138-sikieiki_yamaxanadu_default_large.jpg)
DIE.
stupid no hotlinking scripts
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What the-
Not only did I panicbomb the first wave of Nightmare of Heiankyou, leaving me no resources with which to use as insurance against the card, but I died at 00.17 >:(
And this is after a near-perfect (read: not Undefined or Rainbow) Nue fight :(
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Garblghghkfg I had only Shou's last spell to boot and then I would have captured all of her spells on Hard in one run.
I died at the first wave of her last spell.
FML.
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My dad moved our OS.
So I got to start Ten Desires over :V
I beat Miko, only dying twice in the whole run, I think.
Extra stage!
First try back- in fact, all of the card histories are out of one.
No-death stage, Nue, and Mamizou up to False Exorcism, which was an instance where I trapped myself between her and a wall.
And then I died three times to Mamizou Danmaku.
There are no words to express how angry this makes me.
I still beat the stage, after choking epically at the final bit of Full Moon, but still >:(
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Hello Forgotten Hitbox Detection
Kogasa, how many times will you have me restart without even getting to your actual fight?
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That's it.
I'm done.
My decision-making during runs is AWFUL.
I NEVER do the things I plan out.
I NEVER bomb when I'm supposed to.
I NEVER take gambits at the right places.
I ALWAYS die when I take 'easy' risks.
My throat is sore from all the screaming I went through.
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That's it.
I'm done.
My decision-making during runs is AWFUL.
I NEVER do the things I plan out.
I NEVER bomb when I'm supposed to.
I NEVER take gambits at the right places.
I ALWAYS die when I take 'easy' risks.
My throat is sore from all the screaming I went through.
I need a "Like" button for this seriously. Cause you will usually find me losing all my lives without using a single bomb. Also I take a lot of risks like running through a spellcard unfocused.
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(http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/238/651138-sikieiki_yamaxanadu_default_large.jpg)
DIE.
i've been that way ever since i learned pofv existed
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I cleared Vague Recollections of Kinkaku Ji at 90FPS.
THE FUCKING GAME CRASHED AS I WENT TO SAVE THE REPLAY.
FUCKYOUSATORIFUCKYOUSATORIFUCKYOUSATORIFUCKYOUSATORIFUCKYOUSATORI
DIEDIEDIEDIEDIE
DIE
That took me literally A THOUSAND MOTHERFUCKING ATTEMPTS. AND THE GAME HAS TO TAKE IT ALL AWAY BY BEING A BUGGY PIECE OF ABSOLUTE FUCKING SHIT.
And now I have to do this stupid shit AGAIN, just for the sake of having something to show for my pointless endeavours.
Can anyone at least impart some fucking wisdom on how this stupid bug even occurs so I can avoid if I capture it on the next one thousand fucking attempts.
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That's it.
I'm done.
My decision-making during runs is AWFUL.
I NEVER do the things I plan out.
I NEVER bomb when I'm supposed to.
I NEVER take gambits at the right places.
I ALWAYS die when I take 'easy' risks.
My throat is sore from all the screaming I went through.
That's why you freestyle whenever possible.
/me hides
In all honesty I'm no better. When I plan out beforehand I forget doing it in the heat of the moment. I just follow my intuition and decide on the spot.
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FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF- You can't see just how pissed I am right now. SA Extra went all the way to Subterranean Rose. I decide to take it safe and just time it out from the start, but before I even get past the first ring, died. I managed pretty well through ID and Super-Ego, but ughhhhhh! I was *this* close to clearing it... @@
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OH MY GOD BLUE UFO DON'T LEAVE!!!!!!!!
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well good bye final ufo on extra
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After about a hundred failed attempts playing EoSD, I finally made it to Red Magic on Normal with Reimu B in a fairly solid (albeit bomb-happy run). And what happens? Just as the spell card is dissolving - just as I'm about to beat the damn game - I get caged in and hit by a bullet, taking my very last life. ARGKLJS:DLFKHS:DH
I think I'll take a break for now - I don't think I can use this laptop with a hole punched clean through the screen anyway. Haha, who am I kidding, I'll just beat my head against this for the next few days until either I win or go insane.
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Just had a pretty good run at IN Normal FinalA after 1cc'ing FinalB, and my keyboard decided it would be a cool idea to lock my down key just as I was facing midboss Eirin... :fail:
I could only go up if I was moving vertically. :V
Edit: EIRIN, STOP KILLING ME ON THE LAST SECONDS OF ASTRONOMICAL ENTOMBING, FFS. Entered Stage 6 with 6/1 and didn't even clear, damnit...
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Almost reached Legendary Flying Saucer on Lunatic, literally a centimeter of health was left of Hijiri to finish off Superhuman Byakuren. Not that this was still in the 1cc, nope. I got to her second spell IN my 1cc but then I spent the past hour grinding this shit with practically no visual progress. This is fucking bullshit. How people can perfect this crap is beyond me but unless I don't practice this hours for hours for hours on end non-stop 24/7 which I fucking don't intend to do (goddamn I wanna have a real life as well), I'm not going to bother with this any further. Not that I could practice stage 6 on its own whenever I would like to either. Nooo, the game wants me to finish it in the arcade mode first before I can carry on "practicing" it.
Fuck this shit, I choose what's left of my sanity instead of beating this POS.
You can tell how mad I am. :V
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> fires up SA
> "extra start" is grayed out
uh
> "player data"
where did it all go
NOOOOOO
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> fires up SA
> "extra start" is grayed out
uh
> "player data"
where did it all go
NOOOOOO
Want a replacement score.dat? (or scoreth11.dat or whatever)
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> fires up SA
> "extra start" is grayed out
uh
> "player data"
where did it all go
NOOOOOO
That's why I backup all my score.dats and replays on both my flash drive and my hard drive every week or so. >_>
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I'm not one to rage about things, but seriously, it seems only 1 in every 30-50 of my attempts at UFO Extra without dying or bombing even reach Nue. My attempt count for Kogasa's first card is up to 500 (and I've only captured it half the time for some reason, even though it isn't that hard). Kogasa's second card might be the hardest card in the stage, and the stage portion a little after her has also killed me plenty of times (at least I get to bomb that if I decide to go for score in this stage).
Then on the few attempts I reach Nue, I always seem to die on Undefined Darkness (that and Rainbow UFO are the only other real contenders for hardest card in the stage). That is, if I don't end up randomly running into a bullet earlier than that. (Meanwhile, I seem to have a surprisingly high rate of capturing Undefined Darkness on the attempts where I did randomly run into a bullet earlier than that.)
Somehow I get the feeling that whenever I do make it past Undefined Darkness, I'm going to get killed by Nightmare of Heiankyou or something. UFO is like that, isn't it?
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So I just dodged Kanako's opener again, captured everything up until her 4th spell...and died to it. and the deathwave cleared it.
I then proceed to have my WORST VoWG in months, dying twice before timer starts going down.
While trying to capture it.
So unfair...
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Thanks, but I can work from square one again. I can put effort into actually improving my 310m Normal score.
In other news, an MoF hard 1CC attempt...
Got 150m by Nitori and 300m by Aya...
And then I choked and died to Aya's final...
Which led to five deaths on stage five...
And then a game over on Source of Rains...
I have never felt so disappointed...
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Jesus christ, StB and DS would actually be way greater wasn't it for ZUN's retarded design choice to have Aya move around like a crack. Like how am I supposed to genuinely dodge some patterns if I can't even control my character properly due to the high speed she has. Some patterns are so retardedly dense that it's impossible to dodge them with Aya. Basically I'm just charging like a dick hoping I can take a pic before the bullet wave hits me, then retreating, charging more and hope for more luck. Tapping the shot button like a fucking moron when it's about to 100% going all "come on come on before I'm drowned in this shit".
Like I can't even genuinely use my skills because of how ridiculously fast that dumb wench is. Good idea having patterns worse than Lunatic some games throw at you while having a character move around like on speed.
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Better yet is how you sometimes hit the shot button too early and slam into patterns unfocused.
When your unfocused speed is x50 faster than your charging speed.
So you have no time to correct the mistake.
This kind of thing happens way too often.
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10-3 and 10-5. I want to smack ZUN for these stages. HOW CAN SUCH ABOMINATIONS EVEN BE THOUGHT OF?
Seriously, the shittiness of these two stages pains me physically. Everything else I have cleared but these two are just... motherfucking impossible. And I don't have any motivation left to continue attempting this bullshit. Stick your stupid ideas up your ass, ZUN.
e: Fuck this, these games are pure garbage.
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10-5 is excellent, stop lying to yourself. ;)
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10-3 and 10-5 are shit in StB and DS respectively.
10-5 and 10-3 are great in StB and DS respectively.
Pick your poison and such.
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I hate bubbles.
I hate lasers.
I hate waves.
I hate particles.
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Murasa's Final Card is Bad and Should Not Exist
It doesn't test reading ability whatsoever, it only tests your ability to let go of the arrow keys in time to not crash into a bullet wall. Over, and over, and over again. For nearly a minute.
Tell me how this wasn't built with the intent of forcing out derps that you WILL rage at.
Tell me how this is fair.
Worst card. Ever.
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Jesus christ, StB and DS would actually be way greater wasn't it for ZUN's retarded design choice to have Aya move around like a crack. Like how am I supposed to genuinely dodge some patterns if I can't even control my character properly due to the high speed she has. Some patterns are so retardedly dense that it's impossible to dodge them with Aya. Basically I'm just charging like a dick hoping I can take a pic before the bullet wave hits me, then retreating, charging more and hope for more luck. Tapping the shot button like a fucking moron when it's about to 100% going all "come on come on before I'm drowned in this shit".
Like I can't even genuinely use my skills because of how ridiculously fast that dumb wench is. Good idea having patterns worse than Lunatic some games throw at you while having a character move around like on speed.
Learning how to make better use of fast-charge and zoom will help you tremendously. Both games have been cleared before by plenty of people. They're far from "impossible".
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Now at 1140 pictures for 10-6 and I haven't even seen the last phase yet.
The last time that happened, the card looked something like this.
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/-aPyVkgxJA6k/ROM_LV8KABI/AAAAAAAAAMs/YEB0f-U8ZrQ/th95_9-6.JPG)
Oh, and this is the LESS infuriating of the two cards I need to clear.
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This fucking shit. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20927)
I fucking hate you Marisa. Why do you go so fucking fast, why does your bomb suck, and why the hell is your shot so useless for the 20% of the cards in this game that were never a challenge before?
FUCKING SERIOUSLY. Marisa makes everything so much harder because all of Reisen's cards were trivialized before by Border and Netherworld Teams, even the Scarlet Team but now it's all
(http://multiplayersingleplayer.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/ff6-hate2.jpg)
If this is over-the-top, I'm sorry, but I just had a goal snatched from me by the easiest game in the series again.
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10-3 and 10-5. I want to smack ZUN for these stages. HOW CAN SUCH ABOMINATIONS EVEN BE THOUGHT OF?
Seriously, the shittiness of these two stages pains me physically. Everything else I have cleared but these two are just... motherfucking impossible. And I don't have any motivation left to continue attempting this bullshit. Stick your stupid ideas up your ass, ZUN.
e: Fuck this, these games are pure garbage.
It's never the games fault, it's almost always yours; try to work on yourself instead, the game more than likely won't change.
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It's never the games fault, it's almost always yours; try to work on yourself instead, the game more than likely won't change.
I have the urge to scream LIES AND DECEIT I SAY, LIES AND DECEIT! but this is saddeningly true.
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I'm more than aware that the game won't change (go figure). I use "impossible" as an exaggeration, you think after seeing countless videos on Youtube (and stealing tactics from there) I still believe they are not possible to clear? ;)
I was just venting as usual, though I put the games aside for now because they're not exactly my forte. No need to stick to something you don't enjoy that much, especially when you're raging more than you're having fun.
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Of course, it's just your apparent decision to blame it on the game that is being questioned; naturally, you're just venting, it's just that some things to say for that purpose are more appropriate than others and calling the game design "shitty" when it's just not your thing, as you admit, simply doesn't bode well with most people, even if it is just an outburst of rage.
That's why the more manly way to go about this is to insult yourself!
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I don't need to insult myself because if a game aspect is shitty in my eyes then it's simply shitty and it won't change by blaming myself. What I can blame myself for is actually getting that worked up over silly games; something I actually have to work on to get rid of.
Oh well, to each his own.
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Haha, that is certainly true and insulting yourself is just one of many ways to go about it. Though you'll have to admit that it does not come across as particularly constructive to talk in such a fashion when all you need to do is to actually get used to the controls - criticism is always justified, bitching isn't, especially when you haven't really invested anything into the game.
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Decided to give Double Spoiler 90FPS a proper whack with a new score.dat and shit.
Got through about the first three scenes before deciding "Fuck this bullshit, I'm not doing this" and doing something more fun and less prone to Aya's clumsy movement bullshit.
Malkyrian, I have no idea how you put up with this, on the harder entry in the photography series no less. I can't even bear this shit for more than four scenes.
Seriously, if I was ever forced to beat Double Spoiler at 90FPS I would go through controllers at an alarmingly fast rate.
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Malkyrian, I have no idea how you put up with this, on the harder entry in the photography series no less. I can't even bear this shit for more than four scenes.
I have no idea how I put up with it either. BV
Serious answer: I started doing it on a whim, and the idea of trying to clear the whole game wasn't something I even considered. It was pretty much just "let's see how many of these I can do". I started out getting my ass handed to me by even what I've come to call the tutorial levels (basically, anything that plays Wind Tour). Getting better was something that happened as I cleared more scenes and got more practice. It snowballed, basically. That, and I had enough patience to constantly practice stuff even as I died a thousand times (even literally so, in the case of Kinkaku-ji).
tl;dr: Keep practicing, you'll get better and it'll seem a lot more doable.
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I have no idea how I put up with it either. BV
Serious answer: I started doing it on a whim, and the idea of trying to clear the whole game wasn't something I even considered. It was pretty much just "let's see how many of these I can do". I started out getting my ass handed to me by even what I've come to call the tutorial levels (basically, anything that plays Wind Tour). Getting better was something that happened as I cleared more scenes and got more practice. It snowballed, basically. That, and I had enough patience to constantly practice stuff even as I died a thousand times (even literally so, in the case of Kinkaku-ji).
tl;dr: Keep practicing, you'll get better and it'll seem a lot more doable.
This....sounds...nigh on identical to my case.
Literally identical. Getting my ass kicked by tutorial scenes...literal thousand attempts on Kinkaku Ji..
Perhaps we are not so different.
Maybe I'll do this in small chunks or whatever, but I still find Aya's movement incredibly goddamn unwieldy at 90FPS.
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Malkyrian. You should totally do some epic video of all the StB scenes cleared at 90 fps. That would be hella fun to watch BV
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Malkyrian. You should totally do some epic video of all the StB scenes cleared at 90 fps. That would be hella fun to watch BV
Mmm.. quite. This is something I'd definitely watch.
Since at this point I strongly believe it's a question not of if you will clear those last two, but when.
Good freaking luck though. Guilty or Not Guilty has some truly funky hitboxes
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Wow.
WOW.
WOW.
Fuck Toyosatomimi. To hell with her. Buttmunch. Asswipe. Bitch.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20943
This would have been the perfect Hard 1cc. Just look at those three, not one or two but three bullshit deaths. For convenience sake:
1st) Bitch tackles me when I'm about to sweep past her back down in Royal Clan's Chaotic Dance. This isn't freaking Pokemon.
2nd) I bomb at Honour the Avoidance of Defiance only to have the bomb effects making the lasers disappear so that I don't know where she aims next. Guess what happened.
3rd) Newborn Divine Spirit. At the very last moment. I don't even.
I'm not in particular mad or anything, just sliiiiightly annoyed. Obviously I'm too awesome for the game so it decides to kill me off just like that because it knew I was gonna destroy it entirely. :D
Tough luck.
:getdown: :getdown: :getdown: :getdown: :getdown:
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Mmm.. quite. This is something I'd definitely watch.
Since at this point I strongly believe it's a question not of if you will clear those last two, but when.
Good freaking luck though. Guilty or Not Guilty has some truly funky hitboxes
With that experience and persistance he got after clearing Seamless Ceiling, i think it's just a matter of time.Wow.
WOW.
WOW.
Fuck Toyosatomimi. To hell with her. Buttmunch. Asswipe. Bitch.
That happened to me on one of attempts at perfect no focus easy with Youmu. The only one death was to her 3rd nonspell :qq:
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I don't even know if I should be putting this here or in the derp thread.
I was *this* close to finishing Genetics, but then just as I end the spell, the wave that clears the bullets off the screen was too slow and I was caught in a corner... *sob*
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20967)
GOD DAMMIT FUCKING SON OF A BITCH
I am okay now.
I game over'd to the last card of the game, having a large run of FUCKING UP. FUCK.
I am calm. I am a tree. My roots extend into the ground, and every time I breathe I grow taller, and I glow a greeFUCK THAT SHIT
TOYOSATOMIMI NO MIKO I WILL END YOU
I'm fine now. I just now for the first time in months played this game in the regular storyline as Reimu again.
AND I FUCKING SUCKED.
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TD Normal... How did you get to Byakuren on Hard again? :V
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TD Normal... How did you get to Byakuren on Hard again? :V
I got there because there were enough resources to make five loops of Embodiment of Scarlet Devil on Lunatic and still have six lives left over.
Also
WHAT THE FUCK KANPUKUGU YOUR FUCKING LAST CARDS ARE THE FUCKING THREE DEATHS OF ME
"Gathering Void -White-"
HOW THE FUCK DO YOU SEE THE BULLETS THAT MOVE ERRATICALLY AND UNNATURALLY
Future "|=L|+ｖЯ[-"
What in the name of Kanako is this? This belongs in the moveset of a CAVE TLB, not a Touhou Extra Stage Boss.
_/][|<v(_)「?[]D4(3 7!{V}3」 (Dimensions "Space Time")
I think the timeout phase is easier than the actual card. Just saying.
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Future "|=L|+ｖЯ[-"
What in the name of Kanako is this? This belongs in the moveset of a CAVE TLB, not a Touhou Extra Stage Boss.
Foolproof method for beating Kanpukugu's last two spells as Reimu. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7Mbk9N_uuE) You're welcome.
(Might work similarly with Gathering Void -White-, though I haven't tried it there.)
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Foolproof method for beating Kanpukugu's last two spells as Reimu. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7Mbk9N_uuE) You're welcome.
(Might work similarly with Gathering Void -White-, though I haven't tried it there.)
I meant how the fuck do I capture this shit
Seriously. I'd sooner be able to figure out how to perfect Queen Larsa on Ultra Difficulty than how to clear Gathering Void -White-.
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satori
satori
satori
SATORI
STOP FUCKING MOVING AWAY FROM ME SO I CAN GET A SHOT OF YOU
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Oh, "capturing". I forgot that existed for Kanpukugu's stuff. :3
Well, if it helps any, I just put up a video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F43l6O1Uvjw) demonstrating how to cap Kanpukugu's last card. I tried to cap the Future card but barely missed; "keep to the left" is all I can really say here. As for White, I noticed it helps a little bit to have your head low and looking up at the screen. Seems to make it a little easier to see.
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oh, Ten Desires, we have an understanding now.
I hate you, and you ruin my runs in every which way imaginable even after I get consistent at reaching Kyouko as a midboss.
I hate the random walls that sometimes fire in Stage 1.
I hate Yuyuko's spells, they're either random and easy or just easy and take forever.
I hate Stage 2 as it's all memorization.
I hate Kyouko's nonspells because they're too **** fast.
I hate Stage 3 because it's more memorization.
I hate Kogasa because the best way to do heris to spend 2 bombs here-too bad I never have any unless I died.
I hate Yoshika's nonspells for random spawning BS.
I hate her spells for healing and/or clipdeaths.
I hate Stage 4 because, guess what, IT'S MORE MEMORIZATION.
I hate the part right before Seiga because if you trance you lose resources, if you bomb you lose resources and if you die you lose resources.
I hate Seiga because she cheats on her nonspells.
I hate her spells because curvy lasers are stupid.
I hate Stage 5 because, do I even need to say it?
I hate Tojiko because, even though I can consistently capture both her patterns, to get more lives/bombs I need to bomb her to death.
I hate the last part of Stage 5 because if you don't have trance you're screwed.
I hate Futo because her spells are too easy or too random. her nonspells are fine though.
I hate Stage 6 because...actually, I really don't hate Stage 6.
I hate Miko because her nonspells are micrododgy and clippy.
I hate her spells because they're either random, boring or double auto-bomb.
The extra stage is fine, lunatic is not. I think I covered everything.
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Oh, "capturing". I forgot that existed for Kanpukugu's stuff. :3
Well, if it helps any, I just put up a video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F43l6O1Uvjw) demonstrating how to cap Kanpukugu's last card. I tried to cap the Future card but barely missed; "keep to the left" is all I can really say here. As for White, I noticed it helps a little bit to have your head low and looking up at the screen. Seems to make it a little easier to see.
That's what I did. I still died twice :qq:
oh, Ten Desires, we have an understanding now.
I hate you, and you ruin my runs in every which way imaginable even after I get consistent at reaching Kyouko as a midboss.
I hate the random walls that sometimes fire in Stage 1.
I hate Yuyuko's spells, they're either random and easy or just easy and take forever.
I hate Stage 2 as it's all memorization.
I hate Kyouko's nonspells because they're too **** fast.
I hate Stage 3 because it's more memorization.
I hate Kogasa because the best way to do heris to spend 2 bombs here-too bad I never have any unless I died.
I hate Yoshika's nonspells for random spawning BS.
I hate her spells for healing and/or clipdeaths.
I hate Stage 4 because, guess what, IT'S MORE MEMORIZATION.
I hate the part right before Seiga because if you trance you lose resources, if you bomb you lose resources and if you die you lose resources.
I hate Seiga because she cheats on her nonspells.
I hate her spells because curvy lasers are stupid.
I hate Stage 5 because, do I even need to say it?
I hate Tojiko because, even though I can consistently capture both her patterns, to get more lives/bombs I need to bomb her to death.
I hate the last part of Stage 5 because if you don't have trance you're screwed.
I hate Futo because her spells are too easy or too random. her nonspells are fine though.
I hate Stage 6 because...actually, I really don't hate Stage 6.
I hate Miko because her nonspells are micrododgy and clippy.
I hate her spells because they're either random, boring or double auto-bomb.
The extra stage is fine, lunatic is not. I think I covered everything.
YES.
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I hate Stage 2 as it's all memorization.
I hate Stage 3 because it's more memorization.
I hate Stage 4 because, guess what, IT'S MORE MEMORIZATION.
Oh dear, no. Not that. Seriously, to say that these stages contain any considerable memorization has got to be a joke. Obviously knowing your way through them makes them easier but there's nothing that strictly requires that you memorize things except for that part at the end of Stage 5 where you'd probably need to know to shoot the middle guy and then the three to the side. Said end of the stage is in no way screwing you over btw. No more than UFO or SA Stage 5.
I hate the random walls that sometimes fire in Stage 1.
I hate Kyouko's nonspells because they're too **** fast.
I hate Yoshika's nonspells for random spawning BS.
I hate the part right before Seiga because if you trance you lose resources, if you bomb you lose resources and if you die you lose resources.
I hate Seiga because she cheats on her nonspells.
I hate her spells because curvy lasers are stupid.
I hate Futo because her spells are too easy or too random. her nonspells are fine though.
I hate her spells because they're either random, boring or double auto-bomb.
Kyouko's non-spells are difficult and that's apparently a problem for you. Apparently the same thing applies for Yoshika. What do you mean by saying that you'll lose resources no matter what you do right before Seiga? Obviously you'll be exchanging your trance for more spirits and if that's what you mean then what is the problem again? You hate Seiga because she cheats? Uhh, no she doesn't. In what way does she cheat? Apparently curvy lasers are stupid too which i guess just translates to 'they are hard to dodge and they emasculate you'. Futo again has random cards. What a catastrophe. I will agree on some of her cards being much too easy though. And Miko you hate because her cards are random or boring and apparently auto-bombs.
Am I reading your post wrong or are you really just telling us that you hate the game because it's too hard? Or is there some other reason that I'm not comprehending? This post is talking to you too Esupanitix.
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Every once in a while you just need to rant.
That was my rant on Ten Desires.
Now after a completely BS death to SA Stage 1 involving Kisume killing me after exploding by firing one last set of lasers, I'm done with trying to clear new lunatics for a while.
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Every once in a while you just need to rant.
That was my rant on Ten Desires.
Okay. That was my rant on your rant then. :V No hard feelings.
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You never addressed the randomly shooting walls, Zengeku :V
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When do you get walled during Stage 1? My derp self went through the stage enough times, not killing enemies and getting flooded by bullets, never getting walled once.
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I had nothing to say on the matter because Stage 1 simply doesn't fire random walls. It doesn't. I included though because it along with many other claims caught my attention because they could be summed up as 'I hate Ten Desires because there are difficult and random things in it'. (Which i suppose is not I have no name's viewpoint but that was how I read it.)
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Haha, that is certainly true and insulting yourself is just one of many ways to go about it. Though you'll have to admit that it does not come across as particularly constructive to talk in such a fashion when all you need to do is to actually get used to the controls - criticism is always justified, bitching isn't, especially when you haven't really invested anything into the game.
I don't understand people making posts like this in THE RAGE THREAD
That's kind of the point of the thread
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It's not that you shouldn't get angry, but it makes more sense that you'd get angry at yourself instead of the game since you're playing the game of your own volition. If you actually think the game is unfair and stupid then you have no reason to play it.
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Yes, precisely that, which is good because I just woke up from a nap, thanks!
It's also a matter of insulting the game/its creator/characters when there's not even a reason to do so; personally, I think that's disrespectful and inappropriate, rage or not. Rage with class, guys, with class!
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Oh dear, no. Not that. Seriously, to say that these stages contain any considerable memorization has got to be a joke. Obviously knowing your way through them makes them easier but there's nothing that strictly requires that you memorize things except for that part at the end of Stage 5 where you'd probably need to know to shoot the middle guy and then the three to the side. Said end of the stage is in no way screwing you over btw. No more than UFO or SA Stage 5.
If you want lives and bombs you need trance. If you want trance you need to both not die and take very risky paths through stages. In order to get the spirits you need to know when they're safe to grab, and kill things as they spawn. If you want to do that you need to memorize the stage.
Don't bring SA or UFO stage 5 into this, I haven't even faced them on lunatic.
Kyouko's non-spells are difficult and that's apparently a problem for you. Apparently the same thing applies for Yoshika.
Kyouko's nonspells are impossible for me, except the midboss one if I get lucky. Yoshika's are difficult but doable, but I wouldn't try if I have bombs/trance.
What do you mean by saying that you'll lose resources no matter what you do right before Seiga? Obviously you'll be exchanging your trance for more spirits and if that's what you mean then what is the problem again? You hate Seiga because she cheats? Uhh, no she doesn't. In what way does she cheat? Apparently curvy lasers are stupid too which i guess just translates to 'they are hard to dodge and they emasculate you'.
From best case to worst case in the spam before the fairies:
I dodge it perfectly, and can trance the fairies.
I bomb them, and can trance the fairies down a bomb.
I trance them, avoid dying but in order to get the resources I have to bomb and they're worth half as much.
I die to them, and in order to get the resources I have to bomb and they're worth half as much.
You hate Seiga because she cheats? Uhh, no she doesn't. In what way does she cheat? Apparently curvy lasers are stupid too which i guess just translates to 'they are hard to dodge and they emasculate you'.
So 2 on 1 isn't cheating :V
I can't read curvy lasers, so I have to guess where they're going and pray they don't hit me. They just aren't fun, it's why I don't practice Shou, her nonspells aren't fun.
Futo again has random cards. What a catastrophe. I will agree on some of her cards being much too easy though. And Miko you hate because her cards are random or boring and apparently auto-bombs.
Now I can tell you just got annoyed with my post. This part oozes sarcasm. But yeah, Miko's 1st, random, 2nd, boring, 3rd, autobomb, 4th, boring, 5th, the exception that proves the rule, 6th, double autobomb, final, boring. The only stupid thing about Futo is that 2 of her spells give twice the reward in spirits for bombing them, making trying to capture them less effective.
Am I reading your post wrong or are you really just telling us that you hate the game because it's too hard? Or is there some other reason that I'm not comprehending?
As I mentioned in an earlier response, it was an overblown reaction to my frustrations with Ten Desires, nitpicking every little thing I could find remotely wrong in it.
As a whole my frustrations with the game stem from the trance system. It feels like it forces risky stage strategies (like UFO, but I'll get to that in a moment) to get any resources, but there're so few to get, any derpy mistake is instantly fatal to the state of the run. Bombing spells for survival is nothing new, but needing to bomb through midbosses to get more resources overall is a stupid tradeoff. I like getting my 1ccs by actually DODGING things, but Ten Desires doesn't work that way. and though UFO also requires risky stage paths, the overall abundance of resources means you can make up any mistakes.
I didn't mean to write a wall, I was just responding. (on the stage 1 walls, the wisps that shoot 15 blue bullets in a line cutting off my path werew what I was referring too, sometimes they shoot sometimes they don't)
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Kyouko's NS-Patterns are actually easy if you tackle them the right way (first one in her boss fight depends on where she moves, though), but that's all I read and it doesn't even matter!
If Seiga's cheating, then what are the Prismriver Sisters doing? Living the life of street thugs, ganging up on poor individuals? That sounds kind of cool actually. You'd think they'd go into rap or something.
As for the spam before Seiga, I'd really just dodge as long as you can during the third wave and trance when you know you'll get hit. More often that not, you'll be able to take down the first two big fairies while still in Trance, dodging one wave of those is definitely easier than surviving the third wave of the spam-fairies.
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If you want lives and bombs you need trance. If you want trance you need to both not die and take very risky paths through stages. In order to get the spirits you need to know when they're safe to grab, and kill things as they spawn. If you want to do that you need to memorize the stage.
Don't bring SA or UFO stage 5 into this, I haven't even faced them on lunatic.
Fair enough. My approach to something like this would be to make not dying priority and then only get the spirits that I need. You don't need to pull so much effort into raising your trance. You'll probably fail more then. If I should give you some advice then you should accept that you don't have trance for all those situations where fairies drops lots of resource spirits. I had planned to use trance once in Stage 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 and that got me 6 lives.
Kyouko's nonspells are impossible for me, except the midboss one if I get lucky. Yoshika's are difficult but doable, but I wouldn't try if I have bombs/trance.
And that is totally fine. You are playing Lunatic and things should hopefully be difficult right? It's okay if you haven't got what it takes to capture them now but as you get better you'll learn to dodge them properly and probably end up finding them fun. I really advice against that attitude of disliking things you can't do. Instead try to appreciate the shear insanity of the patterns that break you and view them as an obstacle that you can overcome one day.
I can't read curvy lasers, so I have to guess where they're going and pray they don't hit me. They just aren't fun, it's why I don't practice Shou, her nonspells aren't fun.
I can't blame you. I had a really hard time getting over my own grudges against the curvy lasers. Dodging them is a skill that you can learn. With enough experiences and reflexes you can predict where they are going and dodge them. They aren't fun now I understand that. I was the same way back when but now that I've learned how to dodge them, I can actually have good fun with lasers.
I didn't mean to write a wall, I was just responding. (on the stage 1 walls, the wisps that shoot 15 blue bullets in a line cutting off my path werew what I was referring too, sometimes they shoot sometimes they don't)
The straight lines of blue bullets? They are aimed I'm pretty sure. Just be more careful and they will not wall you off.
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Ugh! Using one bomb and THEN losing two lives (without thinking to just spam bombs) to Yoshika's final card on Hard ruined what was pretty much a perfect run until then. Both deaths were caused by trying to slip up through the ring of lasers to collect the spirits. I should just stop trying to capture and live with timing it out. It's not really worth the capture points anyway.
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Just doubled my shot count on 12-6 from 765 to 1530 trying to do what I've already done. This game has been out for two years already, how come this hasn't been patched yet?
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Funny thing is, I'm used to Shou's nonspells somewhat well because Seiga was my favorite fight in Ten Desires. They're essentially the same thing but one's more revered for stupid hard difficulty.
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It's not the same. The only curvy lasers in UFO are the ones in Byakuren's third spell. Shou's lasers just twist around (which is irrelevant) then move perfectly straight.
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It's not the same. The only curvy lasers in UFO are the ones in Byakuren's third spell. Shou's lasers just twist around (which is irrelevant) then move perfectly straight.
Well at the least it means I'm used to dodging something that always curves :V
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I bomb at Honour the Avoidance of Defiance only to have the bomb effects making the lasers disappear so that I don't know where she aims next. Guess what happened.
I know that post was made days ago but I had to quote it since this just now happened to me. Worst part is I read that post before I made my run so I KNEW that would happen YET I FORGOT WHEN THE TIME CAME ANYWAYS. :colonveeplusalpha:
I hate Ten desires so much, I wish the game would just 1CC itself so I can work on Lunatics already.
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I know that post was made days ago but I had to quote it since this just now happened to me. Worst part is I read that post before I made my run so I KNEW that would happen YET I FORGOT WHEN THE TIME CAME ANYWAYS. :colonveeplusalpha:
I hate Ten desires so much, I wish the game would just 1CC itself so I can work on Lunatics already.
Eh, if you wanna go work on Lunatics, just ignore Ten Desires and go work on Lunatics.
Play the games you enjoy, I got an IN Hard 1cc before I got my SA Normal 1cc just because I enjoy IN more and as such found it more fun to practice and get better at.
(Mind you, SA's also way harder but my point still stands.)
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It's not the same. The only curvy lasers in UFO are the ones in Byakuren's third spell. Shou's lasers just twist around (which is irrelevant) then move perfectly straight.
but they curve before straightening which makes them hard to predict where they're going to go.
Not that I'd have much better luck if they moved straight all the time due to my inability to consistently read lasers, but the point stands.
Byakuren's spell it's obvious which way they'll curve, not that it helps because there's too many of them.
and what about Mysterious Snake Show?
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I was just thinking of the kind that Seiga uses, which are kind of a specific thing. Having practiced them won't really prepare you for the other kinds of lasers since it's a constant curve, while Mysterious Snake Show for example is a back and forth thing. Shou's really are effectively straight though. You shouldn't be trying to predict them while they're still bending, so it's the same as if they just materialized from the point where they straightened out. It's pretty much just a fancy way of making normal lasers fire from other directions instead of directly from the boss.
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I like how none of you mentioned how Shou's lasers are 3 times faster anyway.
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SA Lunatic is probably one of the most fun Lunatic modes.
Because Stage 1 is completely frakkin' ridiculous :getdown:
(but stage two is rather meh)
A bunch of the other Lunatic modes, I feel, don't really pick up until Stage 3 to 5 :V
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I want to beat myself now. (http://www.replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=21077)
2 lives, 3 bombs going into And Then There Were None. Then dying two times on ATTWN, one time on Ripples of 495 years, because I FUCKING FORGOT HOW TO BOMB. I have no words for my idiocy...
That aside, this was easily my best run of EoSD Extra until I fucked up.
See you guys in the accomplishment thread, I've got this one almost in the bag >:(
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I just wanted to address something that seems to come up regularly in Rage threads, i.e., users wondering why there are folks giving advice on how to reduce gamerage. Rage threads are not solely for catharsis, but for all things rage-related. This includes tips on how to reduce or avoid it. We have a very intersupportive gaming community here, with players of all level of ability and skillsets. Part of that enjoyment is, yeah, being able to reasonably vent to each other about parts of games, but also to be able to help each other improve and get more enjoyment out of them.
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Someone said "Ten Desires"? I clearly saw someone said "Ten Desires" :V Welp, you know my opinion about lunatic. It looks easy and it is easy. Just don't forget you have less lives than in any previous touhou, and use trance properly.
As for my "rage" (more like shame on myself). Another TD hard no bombs attempt with Sanae ended at Honour the Avoidance of Defiance. :fail: You know that feeling when you do silly mistakes at earlier stages but decide to go on and then when you fail so close to the end you say something like "if only i had one more life :qq: "
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and what about Mysterious Snake Show?
People consider Mysterious Snake Show difficult? It's just dodging snakes in an alternating pattern. It's honestly Nue's easiest card if not one of the easiest cards in UFO, and I'm counting Easy Mode. If I, someone prone to fuckups, can pull off a 100% Capture History, that's kinda sad, especially for an Extra Card.
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I tried to scorerun UFO Normal and I royally fucked up everything past Ichirin's midboss battle
Yet I still passed 1 bil before stage 6
...maybe my UFO route doesn't suck ass after all
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I tried to scorerun UFO Normal and I royally fucked up everything past Ichirin's midboss battle
Yet I still passed 1 bil before stage 6
...maybe my UFO route doesn't suck ass after all
Did you 1cc?
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Maid's Tool "Dagger Shower" Capture (StB Stage 7-1 Clear) (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21086)
Time Sign "Tunnel Effect" Capture (StB Stage 7-3 Clear) (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21087)
Yes I skipped stages 5 and 6. I hate those stages.
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Did you 1cc?
Nope. Died at Nue because a stupid blue UFO had to escape at the wrong time. Fuck MarisaA and her Yuuka speed during her bomb.
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I managed to terminate an otherwise capture of Philosophy of a Hated Person inside the deathbomb window.
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People consider Mysterious Snake Show difficult?
He didn't say it was difficult, he was just giving an example of curving lasers. And in any event making fun of people because they think something is hard is pure fuckery.
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*plays EoSD Lunatic*
*does weirdly well getting power in the first two stages*
*stage 2 goes well*
*perfect 1st half of stage 3 what the shit*
*gets to Meiling with 5 lives*
*death to her opener*
*death to third nonspell because FUCKING DENSE SILVER BULLETS*
*death to second to last card because I'm an idiot and ran into one of the rainbow lines*
*enters stage 4 with two lives*
*sits in one place and lets a bullet hit me*
*RAGEQUIT*
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Fight the rage. I must've posted at least 100 times in the rage thread when I was going for the 1cc.
A big part of this is how EoSD is horrible when restarting because stages 1-2 before Cirno are basically filler, but hey, no game is perfect.
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well i just had a ufo leave at 1.5 seconds
...i quit
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And in any event making fun of people because they think something is hard is pure fuckery.
I didn't mean to make fun of people. I'm just saying that it doesn't seem like anyone would have a problem with that card. Sorry.
well i just had a ufo leave at 1.5 seconds
...i quit
This is why I despise UFO sometimes. What you rely on for resources can fuck you over.
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Okay, so IaMP is fun, no doubt, still not fully used to the controls since I've never been too great a player as far as fighting games are concerned, but I'm having fun. However, is this terrible delay normal? I don't know if it's my controller, but after one action, say, sprinting or getting hit, it feels like it tages ages until I can do something else again and if I press the button too early the command just goes into nothing and I won't even know it until my character stands still and possibly gets hit again.
Again, I like the game, but I've been seriously going at this for not even one day and I've thrown both my chair and my mattress within 5 seconds of each other, this is not a good sign, especially because I've never even considered doing anything with either of these two, no matter how angry I've been.
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When I played it, I found the controls to be horribly bad, so that might be part of the game, though I was using my keyboard to play. If I was standing still with no threats coming at me, I had extreme difficulty in just performing a single skill. Using one during actual fighting was completely impossible for me.
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Okay, so IaMP is fun, no doubt, still not fully used to the controls since I've never been too great a player as far as fighting games are concerned, but I'm having fun. However, is this terrible delay normal? I don't know if it's my controller, but after one action, say, sprinting or getting hit, it feels like it tages ages until I can do something else again and if I press the button too early the command just goes into nothing and I won't even know it until my character stands still and possibly gets hit again.
Again, I like the game, but I've been seriously going at this for not even one day and I've thrown both my chair and my mattress within 5 seconds of each other, this is not a good sign, especially because I've never even considered doing anything with either of these two, no matter how angry I've been.
Yeah, that's just the command interpreter being weird. SWR handles it a little better. You might get used to it if you stick with it though. but :mileage:, as usual.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, knowing how something works is one thing. Putting that knowledge towards your execution of a task is a completely different thing entirely. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21150) Folks, this replay. This replay right here sums up my problem with Subterranean Animism. I had gone up to Satori with nary a mistake, after a two month overall hiatus from Touhou, and what happens? Derp on the opener, derp on Souvenir, Three. Stupid. Mistakes. on Princess Undine. I'm not too sure if there's any more advice I can take. I've played this game enough to know how every pattern works, to an extent. I've analyzed my progression through the run, I predicted every wave of bullets coming at me. It all keeps getting ruined by dumb mistakes. And especially from Stage 4 onward, you cannot afford to screw up like that. Once you do, you're pretty much fucked one way or another. Rant aside, I think I can get this. Like I said, those deaths were merely due to stupid mistakes. If I can prevent those, I've got this. Plain and simple.
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Heh, speaking of SA Lunatic. I tried no-bombing it again but I died three times in Stage 3. Again. One death on the boss. One terrible death to the boss' final non-spell and two deaths to the stage because I apparently don't know how to do it or some shit like that.
1MNB Stage 4. Then a Stage 5 performance worth slamming your head into your desk over. Die to midboss Orin's first non-spell, die to the rest of the stage twice, die to Orin's first spell and then twice on her last. AGAIN! >:( WHY? This fucking card is easy! I could understand dying to her non-spell or Catwalk or the third spellcard but twice on the final and twice in a row? I could probably steamroll Utsuho with those two lives.
This is horribly frustrating because the first half of the game is so beyond terrible that no metaphors I can think up can describe just how terrible it is. I don't know if they are entertaining if you are scoring but from a survival standpoint they are so boring.
I'm not sure if I am going to push through with this clear because the restriction means that I can see a bullet coming at me, that I already at that moment know I cannot dodge, and just accept that I'm gonna lose another life in half a second. That, or situations where you find yourself screwed over by some of the ridiculous stuff that can happen in Stage 5.
/end of the complaining. I'll try thinking of a different sort of challenge to pursue. I think I may already have ideas.
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SON OF A BITCH KEYBOARD
I TRY TO DO A NOFOCUS NORMAL 1CC OF UFO WITH SANAE A AND YOU JUST FUCKING LOCK UP- LITERALLY, IT LOCKED THE WORST POSSIBLE OF ALL KEYS: UP, AND THIS WAS RIGHT AFTER SINKER GHOST AND I HAD SIX LIVES RETAINED UNDER MY BELT.
I am sorry for the SCREAMING but to be honest, I fucking hate my keyboard so fucking much right now. I wish I hadn't ruined the c, v, and b keys on my old, ergonomic, ACTUALLY FUNCTIONAL KEYBOARD.
I HAVE FULL REASON TO SCREAM LIKE A LUNATIC (No pun intended) THIS TIME. This was not my fucking fault. This was the keyboard being a jerk.
Second worst part: I couldn't save my replay because guess what: A vertical key was locked, making pause menu navigation impossible. I could have saved a replay of failure at Kogasa's last card for the Fail Compilation Thread. BUT NO.
Again, I am sorry. I would be calmer about this but this is just fucking crossing the line. Keep in mind that the same situation from thread X / XI (Whichever one had me screaming at Byakuren out of fucking nowhere) would simply pass as me complaining calmly now. The fact that I am acting this way over something ten times worse is a sign of improvement and a sign of legitimate ability to complain.
If I ever come into some money, I'm going to throw this back into a box and use it as a backup for if I ruin a good keyboard like the ergonomic one.
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Motherfucking Orin. That is all.
No, that is not all. Spleen Eater.. Really? I ace that stupid spell every time I play it, so the one time I actually go for a legit semi-scoring 1CC Normal it kills me with a rogue familiar running into my legs. Riiiiiiiight. I suppose on the bright side I perfect Stages 1, 2, and 3 all in one go while going for non-bomb graze abuse. It also marked first-captures for Satori/Suika's first and third recollection spells. But goddamn you, Orin. And then to follow up the failure of Spleen Eater, I ate it on Blazing Wheel too. Hahaha. Shuldajestbomd.
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Messed up a perfect run of UFO Stage 3 on Hard at her last spell. This is after both bull blue orb spams and her first boss card.
Why.
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Tch!
Marisa.... I understand if you want to glide around the field like it's an ice rink.
I also understand if you want to wait until a tenth of a second passes before you do as I ask.
But please don't flip flop between these two mindsets as I'm fighting Reimu, okay?
I just had a perfect LLS Stage 4 run ruined by a 3-miss Reimu fight :I
I still cleared the game somehow, but still >_>
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I almost punched my computer
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21132
QED is giving me a lot of trouble lately...
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So after watching Malk's PCB Normal no vert run, I wanted to try to no vert Lunatic.
attempt 1:
>ooh perfect stage 1
>not so great stage 2, died once but at least I used all of my bombs
>stage 3 what the fuck
>dies on stage 4
I can already see that this is going to be fun.
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I'm not much of a "rage" person but these two really annoyed me earlier today (both IN's Spell 202 Ultra), particularly the second one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMnULBMpCpk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vbpopgKf1U
: /
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I could never manage to NoVertical anything. I'd always hit up around stage 4 out of how tense I would get.
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Yeah, that's just the command interpreter being weird. SWR handles it a little better. You might get used to it if you stick with it though. but :mileage:, as usual.
No way around that, I guess, though it becomes less noticable with practice, at least I've managed to get as far as Suika's (hopefully) last Spellcard on Normal now. I'm not sure if I actually like that one, with all the bullets it would be nice to know if I need to deal damage or if I just need to survive once the vortex and those super-bullets appear. I don't mind gimmicks, but seeing neither health nor any timers makes it hard to decide if I should try to launch a Spellcard since I'll definitely get hit if I input the command and wind up not having anything ready, which I couldn't see. Well, either her defense increases as her health decreases or there's something else at work, at least I don't see how anyone could take three direct hits from my Spellcards during my last healthbar. Ah, let's just try again.
Edit: Seems like she's just super-resistant towards Spellcards or something, but it's doable for me, had I tested that earlier when her healthbar was still visible this wouldn't have been a problem.
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Erm, I don't think terrible delay on IaMP is normal, though I can't say what could be causing it
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The incredibly noticeable lag between me pushing a button and stuff happening was what caused me to ragequit the game, uninstall it and never play it again. Because you know..it doesn't work properly. I'm not particularly amazing at fighting games but I have played plenty of them and delay between button push and stuff happening being that long is something I consider unacceptable.
But still, is that a technical problem then and not just the game being generally shit? I just assumed it was the latter, perhaps a fix can be found. TO THE TECH SUPPORT FORUM!
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody never had this problem for me, come to think of it. Hence why I kinda like that game.
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I'm not sure about actual input lag, my main issue was delay between two actions where inputs would just be ignored due to bad timing, though that is something you can get used to I suppose. Which reminds me, the time it takes for your character to adjust to to a change of sides also seems to be annoying. Especially when fighting Remilia, it happens quite frequently that we jump past each other, I try to fire some bullets which are then shot in the opposite direction of where Remilia is. Nonetheless, there are still a few other things where I'm not sure if they're bugs - inputting names on the scoreboard, for instance, is it normal that the cursor skips one letter for each tap? You can still input any name by using the edges, but I found it a little annoying the first time.
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Dying at Stage 6
Easy
is suffering
EDIT: And a not-so-great Easy Modo run where I made a lot of mistakes (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21188)
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Because I am utterly foolish, I decided today, I'd score clears of Phantasm with EVERY shot-type. Or, at least, the last one that I needed to do so with before I could claim full Phantasm mastery - ReimuA, the Homing Amulets.
You know what happens when you've completely disregarded a shot-type for whatever foolish reason? You have to clear Extra with it, first. So I do so. Two deaths to Charming Siege from All Sides, and in general, a terrible time against Ran, because... well, a LOT of my plans (including for Unilateral Contact) do not work with a shot-type that is so weak. Ugh.
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Okay, that is IT.
I am formally announcing a long hiatus from Ten Desires, also known as "that game that always does what you tell it to do...half a second later."
Sorry, whoever requested the Iwafune Ascending to Heaven timeout. I forget and can't be bothered to check. But that is not coming for a LONG time.
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Okay, that is IT.
I am formally announcing a long hiatus from Ten Desires, also known as "that game that always does what you tell it to do...half a second later."
Sorry, whoever requested the Iwafune Ascending to Heaven timeout. I forget and can't be bothered to check. But that is not coming for a LONG time.
Dude. You seriously need to setup vpatch for Ten Desires or something. I see no difference between using it or not, though it may depend on your setup, so give it a try.
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Dude. You seriously need to setup vpatch for Ten Desires or something. I see no difference between using it or not, though it may depend on your setup, so give it a try.
Pretty much this. While it's not TD for me, I get terrible input delay in MoF without the vsync patch. While other games work flawlessly without it, MoF is the exception.
Give it a whirl!
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I thought just clicking on vpatch.exe did it? I guess not. Obviously I'm missing something here.
Is it something in vpatch.ini that I need to set, or is it a separate program?
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Made a tricky dodge between two groups of amulets in VoWG, but kept moving to the left after that dodge and ran into the next group of amulets that hadn't quite left the screen. I had 3 power at the time.
You may want to take note of my life count after that death.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee487/KarisaMirisame/1205121820.png)
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Hrrrrrr.
Lose three lives to Murasa's last healthbar.
Lose three lives to Stage 5.
Lose two lives to Shou.
Game over >_>
And I had bombs in stock this time too. On almost all of the deaths. :qq:
Replay. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21217)
SUBTERRANEAN ANIMISM IS SOMETHING THAT I ALSO FAIL AT
MORE PROOF THAT WHEN I START DYING THE REST ARE ALL SOON TO FOLLOW (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21216)
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Fucking hell.
That's the third time I one-missed Mountain of Faith -Easy-.
28 seconds left upon death this time.
IF I CAN LAST THAT LONG, WHY CAN'T I FUCKING FINISH THE JOB.
sigh.
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Fucking hell.
That's the third time I one-missed Mountain of Faith -Easy-.
28 seconds left upon death this time.
IF I CAN LAST THAT LONG, WHY CAN'T I FUCKING FINISH THE JOB.
sigh.
Now you know how I feel. :V That card likes to trip you up in ways you dont expect.
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; ~ ; Dammit... Shikieiki killed me after, like, 3 minutes of being an ass of a CPU on her last life... Yes, I survived for 3 whole minutes in a sudden death kind of condition.
*sob* if not for her, I would've had my first 1CC of that damn game.
btw, are any characters OP in PoFV? I'm using Youmu.
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Aya and Medicine are OP vs. computers, and an effective unbroken character is Marisa. Reimu is also very effective to have a human use.
Youmu is sadly, incredibly low tier due to her horrible charge speed.
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Youmu is sadly, incredibly low tier due to her horrible charge speed.
LOL~ And I did *that* much better on all the other stages (yes, Komachi included) with Youmu than with Reimu~
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Well, Youmu can destroy bullets so if you can see the wall coming and time the level 1 perfectly she's useful, but you can't level 2 spam like with Reimu or Marisa.
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Youmu is sadly, incredibly low tier due to her horrible charge speed.
But she's the only nonbroken character I've beaten Shiki with without dying. >_>
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I believe Merlin or Sakuya should be considered as the worst character in PoFV. Sakuya is especially very awkward to use.
Youmu is sadly, incredibly low tier due to her horrible charge speed.
what
don't hate >:(
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what
don't hate >:(
Don't get me wrong, Youmu is my favorite Touhou character, which is why it's disappointing that she's (mostly) impractical* in PoFV.
*Very very effective in the extra stage
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Finally played Touhou again after another odd hiatus, as part of a STG-playing spree that ended up miserably on all the games I played. :(
SoEW: tried a Normal blind run today, Reimu 1st type. Cancelled several runs amid derp deaths on S1's bridge. That aside, another almost-successful run came along, with continues on S2 boss (her name eludes me), the Five Magic Stones, and Marisa, resulting in a game over against Mima. Half of those deaths had bombs in stock; I blame input lag for this. D:
UFO: Went to MarisaB Easy since on that difficulty I can usually get to S4 at least before continuing. Had a very good S1 and S2, then had several UFO-involved derp deaths on S3, so game over on boss Ichirin. 3 continues later I was still unable to get past and thus ragequit and moved to other STGs.
Definitely I'm out of shape here. :derp:
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I'm a relatively new player (just a few months, never really posted here before except one thread in the tech support section) and I mostly rage because of how incredibly inconsistent I am. My first Touhou game was Embodiment of Scarlet Devil, which took me three months to finally 1cc on Normal. I did the same with Imperishable Night a while later and had a much easier time. Perfect Cherry Blossom, which I heard is one of the easier games in the series along with IN, is a whole another story. Just yesterday, after quite a few unsuccesful attempts, I finally decided to 1cc it on Easy so I could take a look at the extra stage... and failed. The second time was succesul, though still with way too many deaths. And then, on my second try at the extra stage, with no foreknowledge whatsoever, I made it about halfway into the fight with Ran. So either this part of the stage is exceptionally easy, or this makes no sense.
Something similar happened today, only in reverse. Mountain of Faith appears to be a rather easy game on Normal difficulty. Today was only my third or fourth try, I made it to Kanako with one life in reserve and predictably lost on Misayama Hunting Shrine Ritual, but I decided to take the opportunity and restart the stage a few times to practice the fight against Kanako. Bad idea. I kept losing and losing before even reaching the aforementioned spell card, getting more and more annoyed all the time. Argh! I don't know, maybe I'm just trying to do too many things at once recently.
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I thought just clicking on vpatch.exe did it? I guess not. Obviously I'm missing something here.
Is it something in vpatch.ini that I need to set, or is it a separate program?
I would try to set Vsync = 0 to 1 and see if that does any difference. Unfortunately I don't know what the other options do so this is as far as I can help. Sorry. :V
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Nazrin.
Nazrin.
Stop being a bitch.
I hate everything about UFO Stage 1 and it's all because of you. Your last card is backwards-ass difficult and dear Kanako fucking Yasaka, I do not even NEED to complain about your stupid little bullet clusters, the fact that your stage is the start of UFO chains, and EVERYTHING ELSE, that lead to clipdeath to restarting to incorrect UFO piece to restarting to Nazrin Pendulum I fucking hate you to restarting and repeating that bullshit for the next two hundred thousand fucking years.
First I get good at UFO. Then something interferes and I get little opportunity to practice. THEN I FUCKING SUCK.
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Yeah, Stage 1 sucks. I was exactly like that for a ridiculously long time until I just got... better at not screwing anything up. It'll happen eventually.
As for Nazrin Pendulum, if you're not feeling it, just bomb. It's not a huge waste.
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What I did back then: Bomb Nazrin Pendulum and stop failing the stage at all.
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I've only failed High Sensitivity Nazrin Pendulum once :o
Gold Detector, however, I've also failed once. For which I rage.
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All those things people have said about Chiyuri.
They're all true.
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I smiled when I read that.
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quality of play = 100 - time after first death ^ 3
I am very convinced that dying is what makes me terrible at Touhou.
Just had a semi-perfect Murasa fight, and then one death on Ghost Ship Harbor turns into a 3d1b Ghost Ship Harbor and a 2d/Game Over on Dipper Creeping Closer.
What.
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PoDD, or more likely Next, frequently ignores my bomb key-presses. At first this was simply frustrating, but I learned to press x earlier and repeatedly so that I'd get in multiple key-presses (thus giving the game more opportunities to register the input), as I thought this would fix the problem. And it did. For a while.
Whenever things get crazy, the problem gets worse. There are times I know I have little chance of surviving a shitstorm (especially Yumemi's) to make a boss kill or reversal without taking multiple hits, so I'll start hammering on x well ahead of time. I'll get in a half-dozen or so presses before, almost inevitably, I'll get hit anyway. This just happened - on hard, with Chiyuri against Yumemi - three times in a row in the final match. And I still got her down to her last half-heart before dying. Granted, hard is slow-motion compared to lunatic, and I still have a ways to go before I get any 1ccs there, but this is still something I want to accomplish. And it's something I know I can accomplish, which makes this bullshit impediment particularly infuriating.
Why it's only with bomb and bomb only, the most critical input to have when the intensity climaxes... I can only conclude that I have implicit proof of the existence of actual intelligence in machines. Chinese room: meet sadistic, Japanese shmup.
tl;dr: PoDD can go eat a bag of dicks. I'm taking a rage-nap.
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What I did back then: Bomb Nazrin Pendulum and stop failing the stage at all.
No no no no nonononononoNO.
I had many, MANY issues that led to a great amount of impatience even when it's the first run of the day, which leads to a bunch of risky situations in stage 1 just to make sure everything's all peachy keen fancy dancy PERFECT. 43/4 lives by the end, Red and Green UFO pieces in tow, around 2.5 power (This is all before the fight with Nazrin, where the rule is "No fucking up anything but bombing Nazrin Pendulum or I ragequit"), or I restart it all.
Nazrin Pendulum, I can capture. Rarely, but I usually deathbomb it. I'm getting pretty good at that. That is a small problem compared to the rest of the stage's risk factor just for wanting to start off the game right!
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You don't need to be so perfect with it. UFO is best played like a game of Rock 'em Sock 'em Robots.
@K.B. - You probably knew this already, but Chiyuri can't bomb when she does a charge attack. It sounds like you might have something else going on though.
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Aya and Medicine are OP vs. computers, and an effective unbroken character is Marisa. Reimu is also very effective to have a human use.
Youmu is sadly, incredibly low tier due to her horrible charge speed.
From what I've heard, Youmu is one of the two characters who dominates Japanese PoFV tournaments (the other is Reimu)
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You don't need to be so perfect with it. UFO is best played like a game of Rock 'em Sock 'em Robots.
Exactly how so?
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How is it like Rock 'em Sock 'em Robots? Maybe it's not the best comparison. :V
What I really meant was you shouldn't worry about messing up the UFOs early on. Especially since the first stage is only giving you two or three of them, which is nothing compared to how many you can get in stages 4 and 5. Unless you're absolutely dependent on getting everything right, you shouldn't freak out over messing up the UFO path. Just roll with the punches and keep playing. Maybe you you'll win, maybe you won't, but restarting repeatedly just to get the first stage "perfect" doesn't help you at all. It's a game, remember, not a science project.
And Youmu is totally broken against other humans. I have to wonder why Medicine among the top characters, though maybe they just ban her in the first place.
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Reading Shou's Non-Spell lasers are impossibly hard to read -.- except for her last non spell which is easily cheesed.
Jewelled Pagoda is just a nightmare, bomb at will. 2nd spell, is quite forgiving not too bad but still a fuckery, if you got technique and strategy. Final spell....fuck that, too lazy.
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Shou's second nonspell is really fucking weird, actually.
Sometimes I manage to read it fairly well.
Sometimes I just don't.
I think it has something to do with the fact that the two laser waves come right after another, instead of having a one-second pause between the two.
Why does this happen sometimes? I'm pretty sure I'm not wrong about this.
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Reading Shou's Non-Spell lasers are impossibly hard to read -.- except for her last non spell which is easily cheesed.
Jewelled Pagoda is just a nightmare, bomb at will. 2nd spell, is quite forgiving not too bad but still a fuckery, if you got technique and strategy. Final spell....fuck that, too lazy.
If it's at Normal, sit at the bottom. Neither laser will be able to hit you.
If it's something else, sorry, no way to help.
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@Ace; Yeah no help, playing on Lunatic is just too much, especially after midboss-Nazrin.
@BT; Exactly how i feel, couple weeks ago was 'okay' now i died atleast once during that phase. But hey, I practice like once every 2 days, too much imo just makes me rage and decreases my performance and also exam period :V
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The thing about Youmu that makes her playable is that her charge delay is incredibly short (see: frame data (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Phantasmagoria_of_Flower_View/Frame_Data)). Only Reimu and Marisa can fire off consecutive lvl1s faster than Myon, and even then it isn't by much. And those post-spell invincibility frames were all but tailor-made for her lvl1.
Reimu can be effective against the cpu if you fire off successive lvl2s when the cpu has little left in its spell gauge. But like everyone who isn't Aya or Medi, there are times she'll be devastating and other times where the cpu will breeze past her attacks. There are some buried motk threads and posts that talk more about character effectiveness (like this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,1132.0.html) and this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=3247.0)), which you can find with a tailored google search, but take them with a grain of salt because some people don't know what they're talking about and because everyone tends to omit some critical info.
rage because of how incredibly inconsistent I am
Welcome to the club.
@K.B. - You probably knew this already, but Chiyuri can't bomb when she does a charge attack.
...oh.
I feel dumb now.
That holds for all characters? It makes sense that it would, but you singled out Chiyuri, so that's why I'm asking for clarification.
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Only Chiyuri and Marisa. Everyone else can bomb at any time. It makes spamming charge attacks on bosses pretty risky.
e: And it's the same for "hypers" or whatever you call them. Those two can't activate it during charge attacks.
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Is it just me or are the Fairy Wars B routes harder than absolutely anything else in that fucking game?
I took one look at at the B1 Final Boss's first spellcard, with bullets moving at a speed on par with Mokou's bullshit rings of death non-spell. And I just rage quit the game on the spot. Didn't even bother trying to get further, the speed at which those bullets move just incensed me to such a degree. It was poor balancing when Mokou did it and and time has not sweetened it.
It's absurd. This is Normal mode. Freezing mechanic or not does not give you free reign to pull this sort of shit.
Fairy Wars sucks.
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It's absurd. This is Normal mode. Freezing mechanic or not does not give you free reign to pull this sort of shit.
Precisely why I never unlocked Extra.
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Is it just me or are the Fairy Wars B routes harder than absolutely anything else in that fucking game?
Yep.
I took one look at at the B1 Final Boss's first spellcard, with bullets moving at a speed on par with Mokou's bullshit rings of death non-spell. And I just rage quit the game on the spot. Didn't even bother trying to get further, the speed at which those bullets move just incensed me to such a degree. It was poor balancing when Mokou did it and and time has not sweetened it.
Mokou's are harder to dodge than this, especially since you can dodge 3 or 4 rings while charging a freeze, then freeze then dodge the last 3-4. Or add a bomb in.
It's absurd. This is Normal mode. Freezing mechanic or not does not give you free reign to pull this sort of shit.
That aside, I agree.
Fairy Wars sucks.
BLASPHEMY
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Fairy Wars sucks.
Leave. Now.
C2 is easiest route. Go do that.
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Leave. Now.
C2 is easiest route. Go do that.
With some people (Like me) it's not one route they're concerned with, it's beating all of the routes without continuing so that they feel like they really unlocked Extra instead of taking the easy way out (No pun intended) and doing the routes on Easy Mode.
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With some people (Like me) it's not one route they're concerned with, it's beating all of the routes without continuing so that they feel like they really unlocked Extra instead of taking the easy way out (No pun intended) and doing the routes on Easy Mode.
This, I have technically unlocked Extra anyway via "Way Of The Coward" but I kinda wanted to do all the routes on Normal anyway.
But after seeing that? Bleh... I feel like my efforts would be better spent playing something less bullshit.
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To me, it's the difference between beating MoF Normal for the first time by MarisaB (Not fixed) or by ReimuC.
One way will achieve my goal and leave me satisfied with my ability (ReimuC).
One way will achieve my goal only for the sake of achieving my goal but I will feel empty inside (MarisaB).
It's the food-wise difference between a bag of potato chips and a strawberry cheesecake. The bag of potato chips (MarisaB) will be finished quickly and it won't satisfy you as much as the strawberry cheesecake (ReimuC) because there was no structure to the taste, no flavor, and no satisfaction after you finish it. If you're going to eat the bag of potato chips, just eat a big fucking cube of tofu because it's going to taste just as good, and it'll be just as fucking satisfying. With the bag of potato chips you'll just eat more and more and more and there will be no change, but in a strawberry cheesecake there is change in how thick the layers are and how much you're going to have to try to eat them, and you're going to feel really satisfied (And perhaps a little nauseated) after you just demolished that entire fuckin' cake.
Did I just spend the past five minutes talking about food? Apparently I did. But I was comparing cheap accomplishment to satisfying accomplishment.
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To me, it's the difference between beating MoF Normal for the first time by MarisaB (Not fixed) or by ReimuC.
One way will achieve my goal and leave me satisfied with my ability (ReimuC).
One way will achieve my goal only for the sake of achieving my goal but I will feel empty inside (MarisaB).
It's the food-wise difference between a bag of potato chips and a strawberry cheesecake. The bag of potato chips (MarisaB) will be finished quickly and it won't satisfy you as much as the strawberry cheesecake (ReimuC) because there was no structure to the taste, no flavor, and no satisfaction after you finish it. If you're going to eat the bag of potato chips, just eat a big fucking cube of tofu because it's going to taste just as good, and it'll be just as fucking satisfying. With the bag of potato chips you'll just eat more and more and more and there will be no change, but in a strawberry cheesecake there is change in how thick the layers are and how much you're going to have to try to eat them, and you're going to feel really satisfied (And perhaps a little nauseated) after you just demolished that entire fuckin' cake.
Did I just spend the past five minutes talking about food? Apparently I did. But I was comparing cheap accomplishment to satisfying accomplishment.
Dafuq did I just read? (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Metaphorgotten)
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Dafuq did I just read? (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Metaphorgotten)
Actually I was referencing something else (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Aip2aIt0ROM#t=858s) (Even though none of my points come from that at all) but my point was still carried, right?
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Zil: thanks.
Also: that's really, really weird. But very good to know.
With this info, in future PoDD sessions, I may be able to keep my blood pressure at a more reasonable level.
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Playing IN lunatic stage 2. Was moving down when i blinked and got hit by a bullet and i completely forgot the consequences of moving down while pressing z and x simutaneously. no deathbomb.
My life is pooey
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I haven't been this mad at a game in I don't even know how long.
PoFV, normal, 90 FPS, I'm using Reisen. Standard first 5 stages (no deaths), standard Sakuya (1 death), 1st round Medicine after 3:23. Effective 4 lives for Komachi and Shikieiki, great. First rouns over in 1:06, crap, I'm playing bad, but first round doesn't matter anyway. 1:50 later, I lose round 2. grrrr...maybe I can still win off of score bonus and a good Shikieiki because effective 2 lives going in. 2:04 later, I lose a third round to Komachi. WHAT THE HELL WHY DID THAT AI GET BETTER FROM ROUND 2 TO ROUND 3???
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LLS likes to slow down for a second or two, and then speed up dramatically to match where I'd normally be without the slowdown.
This didn't happen during my Lunatic 1cc last night. :/
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I'm going to keep this civil but I have to rant again.
UFO is hard for the wrong reasons:
- The UFO system generally is absolutely terrible:
- UFOs change their colors just before you collect them messing up your plans.
- Going with the aforementioned thing, they do this just when I'm about to collect the third piece, of all times.
- When you think you're missing only one piece to have a trio, you notice a fucking blue UFO creeped its way into your inventory.
- They fly away leaving you with a life/bomb piece less and a not-cleared screen because a shitload of enemies are blocking the way.
- This game has camouflage written all over it:
- Bullets like to blend in with the environment. (Stage 5, anyone? Of course not, who am I kidding!)
- Glowing bullets messing up your coordination; hiding behind other bullets and then surprising you.
- What is with this game's obsession with glowing bullets anyway? Christ.
- Some spells are absolutely terrible:
- Curvy lasers. No
- Anchor and fist hitbox. No.
- Clip-tastic snake lasers. No.
And to top it all, I died during LFO's final slowdown phase. Wouldn't have been a 1cc either way but I finally wanted to get this freaking stage done for once. Slowdown giving you a chance to save yourself my ass, you're basically forced to look at the life meter and calculate the slowdown phase in as to not get a yippie yay yey sudden slowdown OH MY GOD WHAT IS GOING ON surprise. This bullshit doesn't help at all, if anything it just throws you out of focus and gives you a final middle finger to laugh into your face after a long struggling fight.
I hate this game. It's an atrocity. It gives me AIDS, diabetes and hepatitis. And I give up on it for good. May it torture other plays but I'm finished with it.
I hope this kind of ranting is okay but damn no game manages to make me hate it as much as this one does. And that means something.
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What slowdown are you referring to during LFS? I think if you're looking at the healthbar, you're spelling doom for yourself from the start. That's definitely one of the Spellcards where you cannot afford to look away.
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I hate this game. It's an atrocity. It gives me AIDS, diabetes and hepatitis.
And yet in none of your complaints is there proof that there's something wrong with the game. Unless you really do think the UFOs purposefully change colors just as you're about to reach them in order to spite, you, personally.
On the other hand, if you feel absolutely no enjoyment from playing the game, then you definitely made the right call in dropping it. Games are supposed to be fun. I will never understand players who keep pounding away at a game out of sheer pride, as some kind of chore, long after they've stopped having fun playing it.
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No, nonononono. The game itself is fine, these are just the points that made personally me despise the game more and more because exactly those things happened all the time (I'm not going to condemn the game for these points other than the camouflage part which I feel justified in calling fake difficulty - that may be debatable though so it's entirely okay if I'm alone on this one).
I kind of felt compelled to complete the entire series because practically each game has its own flair that somehow draws me to it (except PoFV but I wouldn't exactly count that one as it's more geared towards multiplayer) but exactly this is not a good idea. I gave it several tries, I tried to reeeeeeaaaally like the game but after these countless sessions, it's safe to say it's nothing for me. Not everything can appeal to me, as much as I'd like them to.
It's this stupid habit of keep pounding away at games until I turn around in disgust instead of simply saying "nope, I don't like this" and leave them as is. Oh well. Point made, now I shut up about it.
What slowdown are you referring to during LFS? I think if you're looking at the healthbar, you're spelling doom for yourself from the start. That's definitely one of the Spellcards where you cannot afford to look away.
It's the slowdown that occurs when you deplete all health and right before the boss explodes. It's not exclusive to UFO though - but I still damn it, it cost me a lot of lives in other games too! :(
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Oh, you don't need to shut up about it. Believe it or not there are a lot of people who do think UFO is broken and seriously flawed, for many of the same reasons you've listed. So I was just making sure about where you were coming from here.
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It's the slowdown that occurs when you deplete all health and right before the boss explodes. It's not exclusive to UFO though - but I still damn it, it cost me a lot of lives in other games too! :(
Ah, I see, I see, I've mostly considered that advantageous since it's slower, but I can definitely imagine situations in which the slowdown could actually throw you off track. However, even with the slowdown, I think you're better off focusing on the pattern, that phase in particular requires your full attention. Usually, that tone that starts when the healthbar is almost entirely depleted is good enough an indicator anyway - try to get used to that, I think it could be a great help if that's what you're having problems with.
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except PoFV but I wouldn't exactly count that one
:(
Yeah, your complaints about UFO's bullets are well founded. I like the game a lot, but I'd still agree that the glowing bullets really detract from it.
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ADDITIVE BLEND 4 LYFE YO
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Tengukami you are a horrible person.
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Nah, he's just not a Lunatic player so he doesn't truly know the horror!
Annoying bullet type sure, though they are pretty.
@Buu: I was in pretty much the same boat as you a while back. The game has fiendishly difficult patterns among them (and I consider some of these patterns to be among the hardest patterns I've played in any STG) and it doesn't show any mercy. To learn the game is a hellish journey but if you keep at it (in manageable intervals) it will reward you in the end when you finally start doing better at it.
So uhh, I advise you don't drop it completely. If you need a break then take one but try coming back for it later.
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Star Sapphire.
Star Sapphire.
STAR SAPPHIRE.
All of your Route 2A spells are the most annoying thing on this side of the freaking earth. I hate you. You knock my lives from 7 to 0 because of Shooting Sapphire. This is practically the reason I haven't beaten route B1 on Normal. If it weren't for Star Sapphire, I would make it to The Three Fairies with more than one life. You ruin 1cc runs, despite being a stage before the end of the run. Please run into Marisa and collide with every laser she sends at you, every little star she wants to fire, and every broomstick she wants to hit you with.
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I HATE DEVIL'S RECITATION
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Nah, he's just not a Lunatic player so he doesn't truly know the horror!
It's true. I play Easy and Normal. But I also don't mind repeated deaths so much, and find pretty bullet patterns can make up for it.
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Honestly, I don't even view repeated deaths as something that needs to be made up for. I kinda need to have the game kill me repeatedly if it's to be any kind of fun because if it doesn't, then there isn't really anything accomplished by actually beating it. ;)
Pretty bullet patterns really help making repeated playthroughs of the same 5 stages much more pleasing so I guess we agree somewhat.
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I agree! Repeated deaths make me appreciate the win all the more. And pretty bullet patterns often contribute to that happening, as I'll sometimes be zoning out watching the patterns and die carelessly. So in a way they go hand in hand!
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Playing PoFV at 90 FPS has shown me something about it.
It's a really dumb game outside of PvP*.
The AI will either die second round, or not die at all Stage 6 onwards.
Komachi is a dumb fight due to AI cheating letting her ALWAYS kill most of the spirits, resulting in BS coin walls. Additionally, what's with dying round one once then killing me 3 times the next time? Huh?
Aya is a dumb fight due to the AI being a master of reflecting bullets; really, do we NEED lightspeed bullets flying randomly?
Sakuya is a dumb fight because the sideways knife walls are more than all hitbox, and she's not fun to go against. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar and will be shot on sight.
Medicine is a dumb fight because you know why.
and then, to top it all off, Shikieiki. SHE WON'T DIE UNTIL SECOND ROUND AT THE EARLIEST EVER AND EVEN THEN IT TAKES STUPID AMOUNTS OF LUCK. Third round is more managable...except not because cheating AI dodges impossible things. Like we need MORE bullets coming at us.
*Only holds if both sides are even-ish in skill level
In conclusion, if I want a PoFV 90 FPS normal clear, I need to try hundreds of times, get insanely lucky and not choke, or use Medicine.
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Medicine is a dumb fight because you know why.
and then, to top it all off, Shikieiki. SHE WON'T DIE UNTIL SECOND ROUND AT THE EARLIEST EVER AND EVEN THEN IT TAKES STUPID AMOUNTS OF LUCK. Third round is more managable...except not because cheating AI dodges impossible things. Like we need MORE bullets coming at us.
I agree on these two points, Medicine's ability being bullshit to start with and also being the one of the only ones that aren't cleared by Level 2 attacks for some stupid reason.
Shikieiki being the primary reason I dislike going for 1cc's on PoFV. Doesn't matter how good you are, you really have to have about three or four lives going into her to stand a chance, since it's virtually impossible to win against her on the first round. Same holds true for the Extra Stage. I defy anyone to beat that bitch first go on the Extra Stage.
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Shikieiki being the primary reason I dislike going for 1cc's on PoFV. Doesn't matter how good you are, you really have to have about three or four lives going into her to stand a chance, since it's virtually impossible to win against her on the first round.
Not if you're using Aya/Medicine :V
But yeah, again, if you're not using either of them, the first round is almost impossible. I've yet to get two hits on her on Normal.
Shikieiki being the primary reason I dislike going for 1cc's on PoFV. Doesn't matter how good you are, you really have to have about three or four lives going into her to stand a chance, since it's virtually impossible to win against her on the first round. Same holds true for the Extra Stage. I defy anyone to beat that bitch first go on the Extra Stage.
One reason why you should play as Shikieiki. Reimu's AI won't be dumber than Shikieiki's in the final stage, but I'm much more comfortable with Reimu's attacks.
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600k Cherrymax entering Charming Shit.
And then I die.
DIE.
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So I just double KOed 10-4 in DS.
So I loaded up Labyrinth of Touhou and fought the superboss with solo Iku.
She died in a fire :V
Exactly as planned.
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I feel really bad about repeatedly failing at Perfect Cherry Blossom. It's always the same story - the first three stages are perfect or nearly perfect, then I start dying in amazingly dumb ways on stage 4, then waste resources on Youmu's nonspells (somehow her actual spell cards are much less intimidating), then panic panic panic against Yuyuko. I need to use Practice Mode more so I can at least panic in a more educated way.
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I HATE STAR SAPPHIRE.
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DS 9-4, shots before: 1316
Shots now: 4537
:(
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Misayama Hunting Shrine Ritual and Miracle of Otensui. That is all.
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Just that one step closer to capping Vajra.....FUUUUUUCK! I guess there's the only option of bombing this son of a bitch. Another waste of a bomb, to me everything is wasting resources especially since resources are kinda limited in UFO, or really easy to mess up the pattern, especially on lunatic.
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EASY MODE:
Star Maelstrom: 0 / 1
Devil's Recitation: 1 / 1
What, no St. Nikou? YOU EASY MODE PLAYERS ARE SO DEPRIVED.
Flying Fantastica: 1 / 1
what in the crap
also, practicing UFO Stage 6 normal trying to score and dying to Purple Mist after getting about 60,000,000 in the stage
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Murasa's.
Final.
Card.
I CANNOT deal with this card during runs. I CANNOT deal with this card in general. It is annoying, it is pattern memorization and no dodging, it is not fun. In my case, it is where I lose half my lives in runs.
I am honestly considering bombing every 5 seconds in hopes that it will bring to less resource loss.
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Murasa's.
Final.
Card.
I CANNOT deal with this card during runs. I CANNOT deal with this card in general. It is annoying, it is pattern memorization and no dodging, it is not fun. In my case, it is where I lose half my lives in runs.
I am honestly considering bombing every 5 seconds in hopes that it will bring to less resource loss.
Have you tried circling that card? Replay (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21351) thats how i usually do it, get away from murasa and go in circles. But on the other hand, that replay was so terrible. Except that cap of her last spell.
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If by "circles" you mean going for the four corners, I can never seem to pull it off consistently (or pull it off at all).
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I've lost my fucking edge. I can't do fucking shit in these games, and I think there are Easy mode players that run into Rumia constantly that play better than me. Keep in mind I'm not setting up any unusual challenges. I am derping up everything as if my hands decided to just deny any form of dexterity.
What the hell do I do?
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I've lost my fucking edge. I can't do fucking shit in these games, and I think there are Easy mode players that run into Rumia constantly that play better than me. Keep in mind I'm not setting up any unusual challenges. I am derping up everything as if my hands decided to just deny any form of dexterity.
What the hell do I do?
Take a break, do other stuff. Play games that don't require dexterity, like an RPG or a strategy game.
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Take a break, do other stuff. Play games that don't require dexterity, like an RPG or a strategy game.
This. I find that if I'm trying to play a kind of game and just failing miserably at it, that the best thing I can do is walk away and come back later. Happens to me in more types of games than just Touhou. Sometimes you've gotta step back for a while, do other things. don't let it get you down, hm? If you're getting bent out of shape over it it's not fun anymore, and that's the entire PURPOSE of a game. =D
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Take a break, do other stuff. Play games that don't require dexterity, like an RPG or a strategy game.
Add more Dexterity to your stats and play Touhou :V
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I'm probably the most inconsistent derp at these games and you don't see me giving up (well, kind of).
It's up to you. If you like the games enough, you'll beat them eventually.
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If by "circles" you mean going for the four corners, I can never seem to pull it off consistently (or pull it off at all).
What shottype are you using? I used Reimu-A and I would usually just survive until the 15-second mark. Launching a Bomb at that time makes the rest of the Spellcard relatively easy since the first few waves after the Bomb will, despite reaching you at the opposite end of the screen, hardly be able to overlap to make things difficult. In general, I'd just try not to move too far after a single wave. If I recall correctly, I'd move from one corner to the next one at most.
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BLAST IT! After quite a long break from EoSD (I wanted to approach the game with a fresh outlook, if that makes sense), I finally decided it's time for another serious attempt. Normal mode because I'm still too weak for anything higher. The first three stages went literally perfect, I played better than ever before, bombed Extreme Color Typhoon just to be safe, then still managed to die as Meiling was exploding, with three surplus bombs in stock. This made me so demotivated that I died near the beginning of Stage 4 (where I literally never die because I memorized this stage so well) and promptly ragequitted.
Meh. I'll try again later and probably lose 2 or 3 lives against Patchouli. I used to enjoy and often capture her spell cards, then something happened and now my mindset during the fight against her can be summed up as "let's stay in one place and wait until it's no longer possible to escape, then refuse to bomb". As I said: blast it.
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You know what can make you angry?
- When you lose a NMNB Stage 4 Lunatic run of UFO at the final two seconds of Murasa's survival card.
- When you cannot read Radiant Treasure Gun no matter how hard you try.
- When you go try timing out VoWG again and only miss one time. Because you didn't move to the right in an easy situation.
That's the sort of stuff that's happened to me today. What I'm not telling you is the more horrible things that happened as well because telling you that would give you nightmares. Have a nice day.
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You know what can make you angry?
- When you lose a NMNB Stage 4 Lunatic run of UFO at the final two seconds of Murasa's survival card.
- When you cannot read Radiant Treasure Gun no matter how hard you try.
- When you go try timing out VoWG again and only miss one time. Because you didn't move to the right in an easy situation.
That's the sort of stuff that's happened to me today. What I'm not telling you is the more horrible things that happened as well because telling you that would give you nightmares. Have a nice day.
Dying 5 times on Stage 4(N) of SA can do this to you too. :V
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SOMEONE TELL ME WHY I AM SO BAD AT THIS GAME. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21369)
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It is because you are playing as ReimuB. It's UFO so don't worry too much about it. Nobody's good at UFO. :V
I'm guessing that you got to around Stage 6 or something judging on your score (assuming you aren't playing for score) so practice harder and try some more credits. You'll get it some day.
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I'm guessing that you got to around Stage 6 or something judging on your score (assuming you aren't playing for score) so practice harder and try some more credits. You'll get it some day.
My score...?
I got to Vajra ._.
I actually continued this time! I didn't even get as far, though, because I started Shou with three lives last time.
Worth noting is that I never play as ReimuB :I
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SOMEONE TELL ME WHY I AM SO BAD AT THIS GAME. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21369)
Stage 1: perfect
Stage 2: Didn't need to waste a bomb on Kogasa's first SpC(SpellCard), safespot that, right under her skirt. Other than that perfect.
Stage3: when in doubt, bomb. Midboss Ichirin SpC, first wave of fists, stand under ichirin before fists intersect go all the way back down and dodge horizontally. Gives a little bit of time of shotgunning. Try to not be lazy? (not sure if you did) and those silly mishaps!
Stage4: Right before Murasa, collect summon Green Ufo? Or you're trying to do something? :V and Bomb more.
Stage 5: Right in the beginning, collect red ufo -> summon red UFO right after when it says that description of the stage. Easier to collect items and life and maybe makes that portion of the stage easier (dependant on how strong or how quick the shot type is).
This bit (http://imgur.com/lDCQ3) Do not get the item points only UFO -> Summon and get whatever you need right before the next bit where you can summon another UFO (opportunity of 2 red ufo's) and that touch of unluckiness when you missed that ufo.
After midboss Nazrin, use bomb, opportunity of more UFO, assuming you want to get red one.
Jewelled Pagoda really messed you up, bomb that bitch, best before, or after a single death.
2nd non-spell, bomb or practice.
3rd non-spell, safe spot her by circling around her counter-clockwise.
Fuck Vajra.
And the main reason you think you're 'bad', is the silly mistakes and the planning.
You got pissed off with Pagoda didn't you? :V Convert to SanaeB
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My score...?
As far as i've seen, survival scores usually end up around 200-250 million. I suppose the results of pretty much not capturing anything. :V
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http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20857
I'm not sure how much this helps as it's basically pure, quick dodging but try to incorporate short bursts of focusing while moving unfocused to slip through the jelly beans and then evade the green lasers (I didn't watch the replay so pardon if I missed anything). I never stay close to the middle because that only irritates and gets me killed due to the jelly. Also important to note is that the glowing part in the middle of the lasers actually have a hitbox so don't let that fool you thinking it's safe to touch it.
Play it a few times and you'll get a feel for how the lasers work.
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Damn my lack of self control to hell for not even lasting half a fucking week, damn Ichirin for killing me three times, damn Marionette for ruining three perfect runs on Normal by dicking around, damn Marisa for her god damn hitbox, damn Embodiment of Scarlet Devil for its lack of reasonable knife hitboxes, damn Sakuya for ZUN's lack of originality, and most of all, damn my hands for not being able to go without bombing when I see a single fucking knife flying at me, HALF A FUCKING SCREEN AWAY, Damn Nazrin Pendulum for being worse on Hard than on Lunatic, damn Kogasa's second Extra Stage spell, damn Nue for Undefined Darkness, Damn Yuyuko for Getting Lost, damn Shikieiki for being Shikieiki, and damn Eirin for Apollo 13.
I know it's stupid to come back and complain after I just left. I'm sorry. I just wanted to get this off my chest.
Did I mention how I tried to perfect Yuyuko on Normal and I clipdeathed somewhere incredibly stupid but forgot to save the replay like a dumbass?
Well it happened.
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Oh yeah, Border of Waves and Particles in StB? Freaking impossible.
Aya's speed + bullet spam with narrow spaces = my middle finger.
How is this supposed to be doable? I have taken like 100 pics by now and haven't even got as far as four consecutive successful shots?!?
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Oh yeah, Border of Waves and Particles in StB? Freaking impossible.
Aya's speed + bullet spam with narrow spaces = my middle finger.
How is this supposed to be doable? I have taken like 100 pics by now and haven't even got as far as four consecutive successful shots?!?
It's quite possible. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aeyhD8EUtU) That took me over 1000 shots, though. Hopefully you're not completely insane like me, so here (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21374) is the replay of that, so you can watch it at normal speed.
EDIT: Oh, right, why I'm posting here. Derp.
I was attempting a perfect Marine Benefit Normal 1CC. No real issues, made it to Stage 4, maybe a close call or two but nothing spectacular. I'm going after Kasumi's midboss nonspell...
...and at this point, a small insect decides to fly DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF MY EYE. Naturally, I hear the "pichuun" a few seconds later.
Worst way to lose a run ever.
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I have taken like 100 pics by now
That took me over 1000 shots, though.
Not the same stage, but
http://i.imgur.com/qW7Qj.png (http://i.imgur.com/qW7Qj.png)
Still haven't beaten 176.43 >_>
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that's...that's a lot of persistence.
The most shots I have on anything is just under 1500 on EX-6 (I hate you Random, sniping that scene right after a frame war on it >.>)
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I have my reasons. >_>
I actually don't mind as much as I would most scenes because this one actually involves a lot of strategy. Just because I know a good route doesn't mean I can execute it, apparently. >_>
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that's...that's a lot of persistence.
The most shots I have on anything is just under 1500 on EX-6 (I hate you Random, sniping that scene right after a frame war on it >.>)
:)
9-7 and EX-6 were easily the two scenes I took the most time on. The total amount for the two round up to more than 8000 shots. :V
Not the same stage, but
http://i.imgur.com/qW7Qj.png (http://i.imgur.com/qW7Qj.png)
Still haven't beaten 176.43 >_>
...
You can complete DS at 120 FPS with that kind of persistence.
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1007orsophotoswhatthefuck.png
I would kill for your patience.
Still haven't beaten 176.43 >_>
WHAT THE HELL
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WHAT THE HELL
speedrunning.
I started it too :V
I created a monster.
haha.
ha.
hahaha.
My touhou is running at 30 FPS again. this is annoying because I ACTUALLY FELT LIKE TRYING FOR NEW LUNATIC 1CCS except I can't because *30 FPS* until I restart my computer.
and I have stuff open that can't be saved.
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You can complete DS at 120 FPS with that kind of persistence.
Challenge accepted?someday. >_>I started it too :V
I don't blame you. It's clearly Ridley's fault.
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*resists urge to kick Kanako's image in the face repeatedly*
Like 15% HP left on Mountain of Faith this run before I died... And to think, MoF isn't one of her two cards I've yet to capture, either... I guess 'close-but-not-quite's are going to be standard for me before I get my clears, if this and PCb are any indication. Oh well, I made some silly mistakes, fitting the thread title, so I guess this sort of thing was bound to happen. I feel kinda bad bombing four of her cards anyway(The last one being Mountain of Faith itself which killed me.)
I can take solace in that I'm scoring slightly better now though, actually hitting the 150mil extend for the first time, but such thoughts aren't for this thread.
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NONONONONONONONONO!!!! (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21386)
I was bored and tried to use ReimuA, which comes out with an amazing run, which I did the first five stages with 1 death and lots of bomb
only.
Then my mum come and ask me a stupid
question :ohdear:
I then managed to die EIGHT times in stage 6, ending the run very effectively :(
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List of Cards That Shouldn't Exist
Murasa Finale
Midboss Kogasa
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List of Cards That Shouldn't Exist
Murasa Finale
Midboss Kogasa
Agreed. They are pointless, lame and stupid. And the only ways to fail them are retarded.
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speedrunning.
I started it too :V
I created a monster.
haha.
ha.
hahaha.
My touhou is running at 30 FPS again. this is annoying because I ACTUALLY FELT LIKE TRYING FOR NEW LUNATIC 1CCS except I can't because *30 FPS* until I restart my computer.
and I have stuff open that can't be saved.
You unplugged your controller, didnt you? :V
If you did, you can just plug it back in and the problem solves itself.
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Currently raging the hell out of my disgusting incompetence at Cat Walk. I fail it far too often and i haven't seen any considerable improvement over the last two years. The worst thing about it is that almost all failures comes from something stupid like moving straight into a bullet. And then there are the times when she showers me with clusters positioned very close to me and said clusters have bullets placed in a very random fashion which makes the dodging a lot more difficult than in other situations.
Annoying to be sure.
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Currently raging the hell out of my disgusting incompetence at Cat Walk. I fail it far too often and i haven't seen any considerable improvement over the last two years. The worst thing about it is that almost all failures comes from something stupid like moving straight into a bullet. And then there are the times when she showers me with clusters positioned very close to me and said clusters have bullets placed in a very random fashion which makes the dodging a lot more difficult than in other situations.
Annoying to be sure.
Don't worry, you're not the only one. I managed to capture it twice or so out of countless attempts, and both caps were pure luck. It's an insane spell for sure. :3
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You unplugged your controller, didnt you? :V
If you did, you can just plug it back in and the problem solves itself.
I most definitely did not unplug my integrated keyboard.
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*tableflip* After 4 continues on ONLY stage 6, I come *this* close to capturing Virtue of Wind God on Hard on my very first encounter of it >~< *sob* then I bombed cuz I had no lives left... Oh well, at least I opened it up for stage 6 practice~
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I most definitely did not unplug my integrated keyboard.
Oh. thought you were using a pad or something. Cause when I do I have that same problem.
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fml. Like, seriously. I'm playing through MoF Hard, and doing really well, then Stage 5 decides to be an ass when I tell my cousin I've got 6 lives in stock. I'm down to like 3-ish in less than 30 seconds. Luckily, I do much better on the boss portion~
And then, stage 6. Everything's perfectly fine, until I hit that second last spellcard(? I think it was... it's the hard counterpart of Miracle of Otensui). I'm doing really well, and my computer decides to be a piece of damn shit and lag the hell outta the game. And then jump back to normal right next to a bullet. With my last life. You can probably guess how that turned out.
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UFO Ultra Normal.
Damn your lack of bullets at first and then prescence of Nazrin.
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UFO Ultra Normal.
Damn your lack of bullets at first and then prescence of Nazrin.
Nazrin? Nazrin's easy. No, you need to watch out for Flying Fantastica.
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Nazrin? Nazrin's easy. No, you need to watch out for Flying Fantastica.
Oh god my Sanae hurts already.
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Oh god my Sanae hurts already.
Sanae is doable without dying on ultra.
Flying Fantastica is not. At least not by a human. (go prove me wrong Zil : P)
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*changes strategy for 5th shot of DNA's Flaw*
*repeatedly fails first 4 shots so I can't practice*
Better yet,
*realizes the above strategy involves slowing down, canceling out its benefits*
It's going to be a while. >_>
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Nazrin? Nazrin's easy. No, you need to watch out for Flying Fantastica.
No kidding, I thought that I was home free when I made it to Byakuren on Ultra normal. Nope, WALLS, WALLS EVERYWHERE.
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Reading Shou's Non-Spell lasers are impossibly hard to read -.- except for her last non spell which is easily cheesed.
Jewelled Pagoda is just a nightmare, bomb at will. 2nd spell, is quite forgiving not too bad but still a fuckery, if you got technique and strategy. Final spell....fuck that, too lazy.
Non-spell lasers are easy to read... after some practice
Just play through Syou's double spoiler spell cards and you'll get used to them. It helped an assload for me.
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IaMP Hard, Suika's third-last Spellcard. Get there with maybe ~33% of my second healthbar, figure I can just blow through it with my own Spellcards. Manage to hit her twice, Suika survives the second one with barely a sliver of health left. Then she gets me, I'm down to my last Extra Life and figure that things are still looking quite good. After that, I did not manage to hit her even once. She brought me down to the second half of my very last healthbar before I finally managed to hit her. When she was done blowing through the first healthbar, I was already smashing my desk more than the buttons. Jesus Christ, I need to figure out that Spellcard.
Well, at least I almost managed to beat Remilia on Hard without losing an Extra Life for the first time, some unnecessary mistakes during her last Spellcard cost me a little too much health, should have paid more attention.
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KANAKO! Would you please stop being a royal pain in the ass while I'm trying to unlock your stage for Practice?!
I like Mountain Of Faith, but all your other spells/nonspells can go to hell for all I care!
Guess I've no other choice than practicing the other stages before I'm beating you finally! :3
At all others:
I can't get the timing right on Kanako's 2nd nonspell, any advice?
Edit: Stage 6, done! Now for the 1cc :derp:
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Derpidy-derp on Murasa's Final card. By ramming into a bullet.
...At exactly 00.21 seconds remaining.
e: If you're talking Normal, I think the timing is different for whatever reason. Either way, it can be done by streaming from one side to the other.
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e: If you're talking Normal, I think the timing is different for whatever reason. Either way, it can be done by streaming from one side to the other.
With ReimuA or MarisaC.
Everyone else has to stream-turn, which is pretty difficult on normal. It's actually the version of the nonspell I'm least consistent at.
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GOD FUCKING DAMMIT HAND
LEARN THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOUR INDEX AND YOUR MIDDLE
You have ruined
NINE RUNS
by being a dumbass and shooting when I'm trying to pull off a deathbomb.
WHEN I TELL YOU TO LET OUT A BOMB LET OUT A FUCKING BOMB
Every time I try to pull off deathbombs I shoot instead of bombing when I get hit.
FUCK YOU LEFT HAND
FUCK YOU
P.S.: Can I have someone's score.dat for Fairy Wars that has Extra unlocked? I don't like Route B or Route C.
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You mean you stop shooting, wait until the bullet's about to hit you, then try to deathbomb? Whaahhh...
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I managed to do it like in this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=h74-B4a0_TA#t=109s).
Streaming also works.
Thanks for the help. :D
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P.S.: Can I have someone's score.dat for Fairy Wars that has Extra unlocked? I don't like Route B or Route C.
http://www.mediafire.com/?3rs05p3ohodgmf8
Have fun.
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God damn Marisa and her nonspells, damn the midbosses for everything they do, ESPECIALLY THEIR THIRD PHASE, and damn those fucking ring fairies. Damn the green spam fairies (Which I move in a U shape to avoid like someone else did) and damn Cirno for her lack of an ability to reload bombs on every life. That's the worst part of it all. Cirno never reloads her Perfect Freeze charges and I have to live with what my freezing gets me.
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You inspired me to try Marisa again.
Died to Test Slave.
Died (twice!) to Grand Cross.
Didn't even reach Fairy Destruction Ray.
What.
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Seiga must hate me.How can Tao Taidou be so easy and i die 4 times at it?On normal difficult...I'm a bad player...
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Consistency. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21418)
(don't watch.)
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PCB Stage 4 is a monster. Why is this thing so long? The stage would be far more enjoyable if only its lenght was cut in half, because at my level of skill (read: not high enough), it's either memorizing every step or dying repeatedly, cornered by bullets. And I have a tendency to forget what's going to happen in a while and just go all over the place collecting point items. Sure, memorization is an important part of these games, but learning how Patchouli's stage works, for example, was so much more fun! This thing, on the other hand, just wants to slowly torture you. It's too long. Ughh.
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Aaaaargh! >:( Why the heck did i dodged all the difficult Miko's stuff like first two nonspells and Honour the Avoidance of Defiance just to die stupidly on Newborn Divine Spirit with full trance!?!?! And yeah i'm speaking of hard no-bombs run again, and again i had some stupid derps in stages 4, 3 and 2 (!) I mean it's not that hard for me today to pull this off, but i just cant keep myself from failing at random easy stuff :fail:
Actual deaths in that run (afair):
1. Kyouko's 2nd nonspell :fail:
2. Curved laser at Score Desire Eater (after timing about the whole thing out)
3. Stupid move at Tao Taidou (After perfecting the rest of the stage 4)
4. Futo's 2nd nonspell..
5. ..and 3rd spell
6. Miko's 3rd..
7. ..and 4th nonspell (wtf)
8. NDS.
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Futo's 2nd nonspell..
+1
All three of her nonspells are almost exactly the same, yet the only time I've ever captured it in 12-15 Lunatic attempts was my perfect Futo run. :/.
Just got a PoFV Hard 1cc and crashed when I went to save the replay. I still did it, but it would have been nice to watch my perfect stage 6 Sakuya fight, as well as some really weird dodges during Aya (streaming her vertical walls the wrong way, having to stream up and going through them, anyone?) that definitely would have gone in the lucky dodges topic. :/
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http://i.imgur.com/opEN6.png (SakuyaA)
That failed spell card is the survival, which also happens to have the largest spell bonus available. The two deaths were to the survival at the final seconds, and the aimed non after Charming shit. Both bombs were planned for the route and were during the stage portion.
The deaths also cost me the 800 point-item extend. That means 120M alone from the lives lost. Count in the extra bits from point-items (40x500k would be 20m, add in the spell card bonus lost from the survival and it'd hit 1b.)
Why. Do. I. Have. To. Be. A. Piece. Of. Inconsistent. Shit. Arrgh.
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IaMP is going to be the end of me. What's the point of hitting with my massive ball of energy that will tear my opponent to shreds with 60-70 hits if the very first hit throws my opponent to the ground instead, making him invincible by default, thus doing a grand total of nothing.
When I'm not dealing with completely broken Spellcards, or rather, precisely when I'm dealing with completely broken Spellcards, things that seem like terrible programming oversights just wreck me. Whether it's the aforementioned example, command inputs never making it to my character, my character refusing to turn around in a timely fashion when the opponent jumps past him while in the air or my character going for a long-range attack because I reacted too quickly to my opponent making one big leap towards me which I wanted to immediately counter with a close-range attack - it just feels like there are so many things that could use some serious improvement in this game. I really hope that this gets better in SWR.
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I HATE FUTATSUIWA MAMIZOU
I have had that god damn stage unlocked longer than any other stage and yet it, besides UFO Extra, IS THE ONLY EXTRA STAGE THAT I HAVEN'T BEATEN IN THE FUCKING WINDOWS SERIES.
I hate it and if I decide not to do it it'll be stuck on my mind that I never beat it and I won't get to sleep at night and yes I AM the kind of person that never drops anything no matter how asinine it is.
Why. Do. I. Have. To. Be. A. Piece. Of. Inconsistent. Shit. Arrgh.
THIS. FUCKING THIS.
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Please post your card history :]
I'd understand you to say that you hate her when you perfect up to her survival and then you proceed to lose all three of your spare lives to the last ten seconds, like me :getdown:
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I'd understand you to say that you hate her when you perfect up to her survival and then you proceed to lose all three of your spare lives to the last ten seconds, like me :getdown:
I'm sorry that everyone has to have it worse than you for it to be rageworthy.
Please post your card history :]
Card No. 107 Unknown "Will-o'-wisps in Unknown Orbit" 56/85
Card No. 108 Unknown "Skyfish with Unknown Shape" 13/59
Card No. 109 Unknown "Youkai Orb of Unknown Mechanics" 33/43
Card No. 110 First Duel "Primate Danmaku Transformation 12/19
Card No. 111 Second Duel "Carnivorous Danmaku Transformation 2/15
Card No. 112 Third Duel "Avian Danmaku Transformation" 8/10
Card No. 113 Fourth Duel "Amphibian Danmaku Transformation" 5/10
Card No. 114 Fifth Duel "Scrolls of Frolicking Animals" 0/9
Card No. 115 Sixth Duel "Tanuki's Monstrous School" 0/8
Card No. 116 Seventh Duel "Wild Deserted Island" 0/4
Card No. 117 Transformation "Stupid Miko's False Exorcism" 0/2
Card No. 118 "Mamizou Danmaku in Ten Transformations" 0/1
Card No. 119 Racoon Sign "Full Moon Pompokolin" 0/1
I got elaborate with the BBCode because I had nothing better to do.
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Uh, um, Carnivorous Danmaku Transformation really isn't something you should be failing, considering you can do it in one trip down -> one trip up every time. Watch replays if you don't know what I mean.
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Card No. 118 "Mamizou Danmaku in Ten Transformations" 0/6
Card No. 119 Racoon Sign "Full Moon Pompokolin" 0/4
My histories of these at first clear: ^
STUPID
MARISA
STOP KILLING AFTER 4 SHOTS
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I simply must congratulate you on not being brick walled at Wild Deserted Island and False Exorcism like I did, the drop on my old th13 score.dat was staggering.
I don't have the old file anymore, so my card history is going to look stupid:
Will-o-Wisps in Unknown Orbit: 1 / 3
Skyfish with Unknown Shape: 0 / 1
Youkai Orb of Unknown Mechanics: 0 / 1
Primate Danmaku Transformation: 0 / 1
Carnivorous Danmaku Transformation: 1 / 1
Avian Danmaku Transformation: 1 / 1
Ambhibian Danmaku Transformation: 1 / 1
Scrolls of Frolicking Animals: 0 / 1
Tanuki's Monsterous School: 0 / 1
Wild Deserted Island: 0 / 1
Stupid Miko's False Exorcism: 0 / 1
Mamizou Danmaku in Ten Transformations: 0 / 1
Full Moon Pompokolin: 0 / 1
Times cleared: 1
I'll have to look at how bad the spell history was on the old computer :getdown:
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Now somebody please, , explain me how Ten Desires is easy. People keep calling it ridiculously easy but if you were to ask me, after UFO it's the second most brutal game there is (I'm talking Lunatic btw).
People claim SA is harder. How? D:
SA pales in comparison to TD. I get my ass kicked at Seiga at the latest, she fucking destroys me. It most likely is the low amount of resources you get; it surely is that. But even then, the patterns still remain lethal, especially stuff that for example Yoshika or Kyouko pack out (christ why is she a stage 2 boss anyway). Sure you get trance mode but that doesn't make up for the ridiculous difficulty.
tl;dr fuck TD, this game is after UFO and EoSD the hardest Lunatic in the series.
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Now somebody please, , explain me how Ten Desires is easy. People keep calling it ridiculously easy but if you were to ask me, after UFO it's the second most brutal game there is (I'm talking Lunatic btw).
THANK YOU FOR AGREEING WITH ME
Really, it means I'm not crazy.
Although remember, the people saying it's easy are either playing not-lunatic or have beat UFO lunatic for the most part.
The rest of them are just crazy.
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I dunno. Maybe it's my TD addiction, but it's the only game i ever attempted to clear lunatic (and succeeded) while i've barely cleared hard in MoF and normal in SA :fail:
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It's easy when you trance/bomb all the hard patterns, leaving only the... I'd say "easy" patterns but all TD has is hard patterns and "things that shouldn't exist". The hard patterns also kind of should not exist because they're not fun at all.
I'm one of those people that call TD easy for that reason, although I myself suck at trance/bombing so in extension I suck at TD. Although I blame my refusal to play the game more than once a month for my lack of a Lunatic 1cc, really.
Also, to be honest, quite a few of the hard portions of the game can be much easier after some short practice sessions. Kind of like in IN. And then there's the very scarce random dodging like in Yoshika's nonspells that pale in comparison to these spots in SA (both in numbers and in difficulty).
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Mine weren't that good either.. (http://i.imgur.com/hsvAY.png)
I never found TD that easy. It's really easy to fuck up once in a critical spot and lose the whole run. On the lower difficulties you can p.much cheese the whole game with Youmu but on Lunatic those patterns you have to dodge are pure poison because of the movement speed or alternatively low damage output.
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(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7853/whyyyyy.png)
:qq:
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(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7853/whyyyyy.png)
:qq:
At first I felt horrible for you.
But then I saw the bomb counter.
And I felt worse.
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Although remember, the people saying it's easy are either playing not-lunatic or have beat UFO lunatic for the most part.
The rest of them are just crazy.
I guess I'm crazy then. Then again, I already knew that.
Ten Desires was my first Windows Lunatic 1cc, only 3 months after the game came out, when I wasn't even close with most of the other games. And according to the description of the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZnWoFAjwHw) I uploaded at the time, the 1cc was my first attempt that completed stage 4 without continuing (all of the other games had at least 3-5 attempts that reached stage 6 before the 1cc).
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Agreed, TD was my second last hard 1cc (no hints on my last) and Lunatic looks to be a decent challenge.
Though for what it's worth?Card No. 118 "Mamizou Danmaku in Ten Transformations" 0/6
My histories of these at first clear: ^
*hides* (http://i.imgur.com/pMM6w.png)
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Consider my entire attempts at the extra stage were consolidated to within the first 3 days of getting the game, and out of habit i generally don't practice except from the beginning.
Also consider that the last 3 times I played that spell I captured it twice, and the other time I double deathed it.
10-4.
hatate.
WHY U SO IMPOSSIBARU
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Meh, you people got me in the mood to try TD Extra again.
Well, without bombs / trance, anyway.
Perfect stage portion wasn't so hard. But... uhh...
I hit a green dude in Carnivorous.
Then I hit a blue dude in Ambhibian.
Then I hit another blue dude in Scrolls of Frolicking Animals (would have capped it otherwise).
The thing is, I died stupidly later, only on Ten Transformations, which made me game over. Which means I captured everything else. Animal School, Wild Deserted Island, Exorcism, everything. All cards that gave me an adrenaline rush because they really are slightly challenging. And I captured all of them. And died on the stupid cards.
TD and its lack of resources. ;-;
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Guuuh, I should have remembered that I couldn't even properly use Hadouken back when I was a kid. I got better, but years later, my inability to properly input the typical Hadouken chain of commands under immense pressure leads to me failing during the last phase of Suika's last Spellcard. I need a punching bag already; one day, I'll definitely shatter this table, and it isn't even mine.
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Decided to try 1cc MoF with shottypes other than ReimuA/B......All of the attempts are able to reach Stage 6....
Guess which shottype don't get to MoF?
ReimuC :o
And on all Marisa attempts, I bring the MoF's health lower than half --> I'm very close to 1cc :ohdear:
And the worse of all:
Divine Festival "Expanded Onbashira" 3/20 2/11 0/1 0/1 0/1 0/1
"Simple" streaming is hard :blush:
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I think I'm starting to go insane.
I've gone from suck to blow at this fucking game.
At first I was making it to post midboss Nue without fucking up massively (I.E. DYING)
But now I'm dying at the ring fairies at the start of the stage.
I wish I could do this right now, I genuinely wish it but my family would kill me. Just take away the "Okay" at the end and you'll have my reaction. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTNP792ykYM)
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Please post your card history
I'm going to regret doing this. It's not 100% accurate since I play on two locations, but this is from the computer I use more. And yeah, I have under 1000 extra attempts, so I have no reason to complain about consistency, but whatever.
(http://i.imgur.com/iGX6D.png)
I don't remember having a 10M bonus of the final card, tho'. Weird, I probably need to look into it a bit.
Improvements (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21455). Some minor fuckups with the route, two panic bombs and a death to the final card. Geh.
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My god. 40 million going into Kotohime. Then 5 deaths in a row.
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No wonder I'm 3/3 on Guze Flash Lunatic, was watching a replay and realized that my computer can only run it at 45fps. What the hell.
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What. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21461)
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Just had a game over to Ex-Kogasa.
And Ex-Ran.
:barf:
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HOURAI ELIXIR I HAVE PRACTICE WITH YOUR GREEN NEEDLE PATTERN FROM MISHAGUJI-SAMA AND I WILL NOT SAFESPOT THIS
*insert Fist of the North Star video with punching noises replaced with rapid pichuu~n! *restart* noises here*
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DAMN IT! I finally managed to master Stage 4, faced the Prismrivers with 8 lives and won with 7 remaining, everything went so well, deathbombing actually worked... And I STILL managed to lose after a horrible series of deaths (nearly every time with bombs in stock) against Youmu and Yuyuko. I have no idea why I'm totally defenseless against Youmu's nonspells, dying the same way every freaking time. As for Yuyuko, well, I always panic when facing final bosses, but sincerely, I fought better on my first attempt ever than I do now. Not willing to give up, I finally lost my last life on Getting Lost, literally seconds before capturing it. With two bombs in stock. Sigh, back to Practice Mode.
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How the actual fuck did 12-6 manage to slip by playtesting? Seriously ZUN, get your shit together and patch this fucking nonsense. It's been how many years now?
I don't even know how this is possible to do, thin air will kill you!
It is technically fucking unplayable and I don't give a fuck if it ends up being the only blank spot on my 90FPS savefile, I'm not playing this undiluted bullshit on principle, it does not work and I will not fight the shoddy programming to get a replay that probably won't even fucking work. I've been killed by thin air far too many times for me to put up with this nonsense.
Say what you will about other games patterns being "bullshit", this is the only one I've encountered that is just not functional.
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OH MAMIZOU YOU'RE SO FUCKING FUNNY
I do good at the stage portion. I go without dying even once. This is new to me.
BUT THEN I START LOSING LIVES TWO PER SPELLCARD
WHAT THE FUCK HANDS
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE FUCKING DEFINITION OF "CONSISTENCY"?
NO, YOU DON'T. IT WASN'T MY KEYBOARD'S FAULT. IT WASN'T MY FAULT BECAUSE I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TO DO. IT WASN'T MAMIZOU'S FAULT BECAUSE SHE WAS MADE THAT WAY. IT WASN'T ZUN'S FAULT BECAUSE THIS IS DOABLE.
IT'S YOUR FAULT.
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Dear Yuugi Hoshiguma,
What happened to you? You used to be cool.
Dear Parsee Mizuhashi,
<3 <3 <3
Dear Yamame Kurodani,
Die.
Dear Kisume,
See Dear Yamame Kurodani,
Sincerely,
Seiga Kaku
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OH MAMIZOU YOU'RE SO FUCKING FUNNY
I do good at the stage portion. I go without dying even once. This is new to me.
BUT THEN I START LOSING LIVES TWO PER SPELLCARD
WHAT THE FUCK HANDS
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE FUCKING DEFINITION OF "CONSISTENCY"?
NO, YOU DON'T. IT WASN'T MY KEYBOARD'S FAULT. IT WASN'T MY FAULT BECAUSE I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TO DO. IT WASN'T MAMIZOU'S FAULT BECAUSE SHE WAS MADE THAT WAY. IT WASN'T ZUN'S FAULT BECAUSE THIS IS DOABLE.
IT'S YOUR FAULT.
I baked you a fresh replay in the vain hope to spur you onto victory with some sort of advice, but I forgot that I am not good at this game. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21488)
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Dear Yuugi Hoshiguma,
What happened to you? You used to be cool.
Dear Parsee Mizuhashi,
<3 <3 <3
Dear Yamame Kurodani,
Die.
Dear Kisume,
See Dear Yamame Kurodani,
Sincerely,
Seiga Kaku
Yay letter time!
Dear Houjuu Nue,
I love your attacks but in lines of Undefined Darkness, go die in a fire.
Dear Futatsuiwa Mamizou,
Die in a fire.
Dear Merlin Prismriver,
Please see Dear Futatsuiwa Mamizou,
Dear Sakuya Izayoi,
If it weren't for your Bokusatsu Tenshi Dokuro Chan "Angel's Halo" knife hitboxes I would love you to death. But you have EoSD hitboxes, and for that, see Dear Merlin Prismriver, and Dear Futatsuiwa Mamizou,
Dear Rin Kaenbyou,
Thisisstupid.mp4
Sincerely, sarcastic hugs and kisses for everyone but Nue and Sakuya,
Esupanitix ~ Ace
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Say what you will about other games patterns being "bullshit", this is the only one I've encountered that is just not functional.
Yeah, it's been a known bug for almost 2 years now. Don't know why it hasn't been fixed, don't know why anyone still attempts it.
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don't know why anyone still attempts it.
I have 3 reasons.
To further a total high score.
To clear 108/108 scenes. (or 99/99 with Hatate)
Speedrunning the game (Seiga got lucky with a 179.75 [IIRC] replay that worked)
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don't know why anyone still attempts it.
Because 100% completion beckons?
As far as I know, this bug only shows up if you restart 12-6 without selecting another scene first. Sure, switching back and forth between scenes is tedious and completely unwanted, but it's better than nothing.
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Speedrunning the game (Seiga got lucky with a 179.75 [IIRC] replay that worked)
I wish, actually 169.95. <_<As far as I know, this bug only shows up if you restart 12-6 without selecting another scene first.
This could have been useful to know. >_>
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10-4 with Hatate.
WHY ZUN WHY ;_;
Hatate needs to get up close to the boss, fine, but this scene is constantly pushing you AWAY.
The ONLY time you can get a photo is when Iku decides to move down-and even then only barely, and it makes the dodging much harder too. If I reach 98/99 I might just TAS this to get it out of the way since it's stupid and couldn't have been intended to be this crap.
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10-4 was actually the first one I did with Hatate just so I could get it out of the way, only took me ~150 shots iirc. >_>
If you can get into the pattern of left-right-left-right, I always found it easiest to take a shot when you moved up the left, if that helps.
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10-4 was actually the first one I did with Hatate just so I could get it out of the way, only took me ~150 shots iirc. >_>
I HATE YOU
If you can get into the pattern of left-right-left-right, I always found it easiest to take a shot when you moved up the left, if that helps.
The dodging is trivial.
I always die while trying to take a picture.
Always.
I've never gotten the second shot.
Never.
This is stupid, I hated this scene with Aya and Hatate's "advantages" are useless here and her disadvantages make it STUPID.
It's complete LUCKCRAP.
edit: just now, got 2 shots in 40 seconds.
DIED 70 SECONDS AND A DOZEN FAILED PHOTOS LATER DIE IKU DIE
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It's complete LUCKCRAP.
http://i.imgur.com/qW7Qj.png
Place your bets, who succeeds first?
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Because 100% completion beckons?
As far as I know, this bug only shows up if you restart 12-6 without selecting another scene first. Sure, switching back and forth between scenes is tedious and completely unwanted, but it's better than nothing.
I knew about this bug well in advance, so when the time came I switched scenes in between attempts. Thin air is still killing me intermittently.
Thin air will kill me a lot faster if I don't, but still. It's not a silver bullet to not having the scene bug the fuck out.
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DIED 70 SECONDS AND A DOZEN FAILED PHOTOS LATER DIE IKU DIE
it kind of sounded like me when i tried to clear ex-8
seriously i just didn't know how blazing star worked for some stupid reason even though everyone else thought it was easy >_>
also why am i trying to score in sa extra ultra when i know i'm going to die so many times on koishi
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(http://i50.tinypic.com/dfva02.jpg)
:V I accidentally the ability to bomb.
Seriously though it's nearly impossible to death-bomb in TD, and that's really all I ever used my bombs on in the other games.
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I was going to try the special challenge for this week.
Then I didn't die before Futo.
Then I game overed on Futo.
FUUUUUUU-had I dodged instead of died on the second nonspell, I'd have had a life for Stage 6. I would have lasted longer due to a perfect Seiga no vertical, but no, I had to die to Futo with bombs in stock.
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Oh man I am doing so great at Mystic Square Hard for a first attempt ever I mean only one miss so far on Louise and no bombs yet really oh look here's Alice well I am totally about to perfect her fight no miss no bombs no sir and now her healthbar's in the red did I seriously just perfect all of stage 3 on hard mode when SUDDENLY POWER OUTAGE.
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SUDDENLY POWER OUTAGE.
I'm surprised the power didn't go out over here too. A number of trees bit the dust yesterday. Christ. :ohdear:
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Hey
Hey UFO Hard
Stop killing me against either Nazrin or Kogasa's stage. Or maybe even Nazrin's Stage.
I'd really appreciate it.
I am two seconds from exploding right now.
I'd do what everyone else says and just stop trying for the day but I just want to get this goal done I already promised a UFO Hard 1cc by my best friend's birthday (May 19) I don't like to keep people waiting stop making me make people wait and let me win god dammit
I just want to get this fucking goal over with :qq: I've been trying for forever and a half and no fruition, barely even blossoming.
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If you've been trying for that long with no real signs of progress then
1) You're doing something wrong.
2) You need to try something else in the meantime.
Or, you know, you actually are progressing but still derp on stuff like Nazrin which is fairly possible.
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If you've been trying for that long with no real signs of progress then
1) You're doing something wrong.
2) You need to try something else in the meantime.
Or, you know, you actually are progressing but still derp on stuff like Nazrin which is fairly possible.
I've made it to BYAKUREN without continuing. Why do I die constantly to Nazrin now? I can pull off a deathbomb easily, (In fact if I don't capture Nazrin Pendulum that's usually how it's resolved) I've gotten to Stage 6 without continuing, why am I knocked back to square one? I made so much progress. I CAPTURED SINKER GHOST THE FIRST TIME I GOT TO IT. I CAN MAX OUT MY DAMN LIVES. WHAT THE HELL UFO
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Fucking hell Stage 10, why is everything you have boring and total bullshit?
Spinning stars where taking a shot becomes impossible if Iku moves improperly, becoming a wonderful game of luckshit. A poorly telegraphed never-before-seen aiming gimmick, reacting to keystone clusters is incredibly difficult at 90FPS and Scarlet Weather Rhapsody being primarily a case of lucking out on having a clear path made through the bullets. I'm rather glad that Hatate at least made a joke of 10-3.
It is so booooring, it's either lucking out or rote memorisation.
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Fucking hell Stage 10, why is everything you have boring and total bullshit?
Spinning stars where taking a shot becomes impossible if Iku moves improperly, becoming a wonderful game of luckshit. A poorly telegraphed never-before-seen aiming gimmick, reacting to keystone clusters is incredibly difficult at 90FPS and Scarlet Weather Rhapsody being primarily a case of lucking out on having a clear path made through the bullets. I'm rather glad that Hatate at least made a joke of 10-3.
It is so booooring, it's either lucking out or rote memorisation.
I doubt the game was made with 90FPS in mind. ;P
I actually enjoyed stage 10 a lot with Aya (not so much with Hatate). 10-8 was the only stage I deemed bullshit until I found out that dodging right under Iku trivializes it a lot.
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http://i.imgur.com/X7vgi.png
fffffffffff
This is after pulling off two different pixel perfect 100% luck dodges. Hate it when I do something really cool and don't succeed. >_>
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Had a perfect EoSD lunatic until Patchy with Marisa A, then gameovered on her (8 deaths).
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SCREW THIS GAME
SHOOT THE BULLET IS EASILY HANDS DOWN WORST TOUHOU, EXCEPT MAYBE STORY OF EASTERN WONDERLAND.
I QUIT, I DON'T CARE IF I DON'T HAVE EXTRA, I ***************** QUIT.*
*for a while anyway.
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LET'S DO STB SPEEDRUNNING NOW
>_> <_<
Is 5-5 all you're having trouble on? You don't have to do them in order, you know.
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Is 5-5 all you're having trouble on? You don't have to do them in order, you know.
Everything I haven't cleared. I know that, I've jumped around.
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What a mean thing to do to me, Nue (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21534)
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to keep from raging at Shoot the Bullet I'm trying to perfect bosses on hard mode.
I realized I never got Aya in Mountain of Faith.
First attempt: die to opener
Second attempt: die to first spell, capture survival no focus
Third attempt: die to first spell
Fourth attempt: die to survival, ragequit
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DS 9-1
DS 9-1
DS 9-1
DS 9-1
FUCK YOU
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Edit: Good job Esu, forget that you posted before like an idiot :V
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ohhhh my god what in the motherfuck is fucking wrong with me today
82 attempts at ufo hard and all of them terminated before shou, over 70 before murasa, and 40 of them before kogasa
i am about to fucking cry this is making me so depressed
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ohhhh my god what in the motherfuck is fucking wrong with me today
82 attempts at ufo hard and all of them terminated before shou, over 70 before murasa, and 40 of them before kogasa
i am about to fucking cry this is making me so depressed
Wait do the ones before Kogasa terminate by your own hand or by game over?
Either way, this is my life when I play UFO Hard
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30 restarts usually stemming from fucking up the stage intro
IN OTHER NEWS?
(http://i.imgur.com/aNgwd.png)
THIS WAS ON LUNATIC MODE.
HOW THE EFF DOES THIS NONSPELL WORK
(edited for content)
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Memorize the swords. The bubbles are aimed. As I recall it's advantageous to hide out on the edge for a while.
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what
Memorize the swords.
are you implying that they have a set pattern
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/232/114/e39.png)
you do realize that i will never get this far again continues be damned
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(http://i.imgur.com/aNgwd.png)
Ouch, I almost joined you today with that. Have you 1cced PCB Lunatic before?
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Until now the farthest one credit has ever seen was Ten Kings Retribution :fail:
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DS 90 FPS, I'm done with you.
I unlocked extra, and every single scene is now a luckfest or requires reactions/precision I don't feel like grinding out.
Reminds me too much of SHOOT THE BULLSH- I mean Shoot the Bullet.
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DS 90 FPS, I'm done with you.
I unlocked extra, and every single scene is now a luckfest or requires reactions/precision I don't feel like grinding out.
Reminds me too much of SHOOT THE BULLSH- I mean Shoot the Bullet.
Wasn't it a luckfest before that? :c
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If it makes you feel better I only beat 1 scene each from levels 8-12, I think.
I did full clear the first 6 stages though.
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what
are you implying that they have a set pattern
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/232/114/e39.png)
you do realize that i will never get this far again continues be damned
static as HELL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS8oo3J3f7s)
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static as HELL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS8oo3J3f7s)
huh
i thought it was common knowledge ???
i'd be damned if there was actually a way to misdirect those knives :V
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I didn't know they were static, I just knew that going to the sides at the right time, then returning to center stage, rinse and repeat makes everything easier.
Well, most of the time you don't need to memorize them as long as you're doing that. Most of the time because you CAN screw up and that requires some pretty good dodging to remedy.
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Mesh of Light and Darkness
why are you absolute LUCKSHIT
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Narf, why must most of Suika's Spellcards be either extremely easy or outright insane? I think the closest to a balanced Spellcard is her third one, though I seriously need to change my approach there, the last attempt was absolutely terrible. There must be something I'm missing about her fourth and her last Spellcard, there must be!
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Died on Suwako's last spell 3 times in a row, she is really getting to my head tonight.
The second run she had a sliver of health and I backed into a bullet and that put me completely on tilt.
Probably only needed about 5 more seconds to kill her.
Killed her twice first thing this morning again with Marisa B's bugged shot just to make myself feel better.
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SATORI YOU FUCKSHIT LET ME BEAT 9-1 FOR ONCE I HAVE A RECORD OF MORE THAN 250 PICTURES AND I HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN THE PENULTIMATE PHASE
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GOD DAMMIT MARISAA YOU FUCKING FUCKSHIT I JUST WANT TO 1CC UFO NORMAL WITH EVERY SHOT TYPE AND YOU ARE MAKING THIS WORSE THAN UFO HARD
YOU DROP ALL OF MY FUCKING UFOS
YOU GET KILLED EVERY TEN SECONDS BECAUSE EVEN -SHOTGUNNING- ENEMIES DOESN'T KILL THEM FAST ENOUGH
FUCKING HELL IN A HANDBASKET I WANT YOU REPLACED WITH SOMETHING LIKE EoSD MARISAB
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ASDFRAAAGE
I just tied Seiga's 10-8. After 80 shots. with a 176.67
IKU WHY DO YOU HATE ME
400 shots later, bad luck has ruined 2 177.xxs, my mom ruined another and SNEEZING ruined a 4th.
Additionally I've had 3 that felt faster but came up as 176.35, 176.48 and 176.56
Just now, after 500 shots total: 176.62
and...another 176.62
a little later: 176.65
slightly later: 176.60
just now: ANOTHER FREAKING 176.67
1050 shots on the scene today, nothing better than a tie yet.
Kaku, please join Nagae in the fire.
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HOW THE EFF DOES THIS NONSPELL WORK
What Thanuris posted. Also:
(http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/4868/goastknives.jpg)
From HB, iirc.
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When I upload my LP video of DS, you're going to see the section of Adamant Helix.
At one point I legitimately yell. :ohdear:
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Just in case anyone was curious as to just how bad I am at this game, I give you the dumbest way anyone has ever died to Suizome Perfect Blossom.
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You think it's bad enough that I lost an Ultra Normal IN 1cc to Astronomical Entombing?
LOOK AT THE HEALTH BAR.
All I have to say is...
FUCK YOU REISEN
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Ultra mode?
use moar Youmu :V
Also, why the hell can't I dodge the simplest things any more today. Did I exhaust all my allotted skill for the day on 10-8 or something? Kyouko's 2nd spell, Yoshika's first spell, a whole bunch of stuff in UFO, a few NORMAL MODE patterns in MoF, I even died to Stage 1. On easy. Of Imperishable Night. At 60 FPS. Granted, I was playing stupidly (i.e.: for score without knowing what I'm doing), but still...I DIED, not bombed, DIED.
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Excellent TD Lunatic run (no collisions whatsoever, good trance routing) until KYOUKO KICK
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GOD DAMMIT SA I'M JUST TRYING TO UNLOCK MARISAA FOR EXTRA
WHY ARE YOU MAKING THIS SO HARD
FIRST I DOUBLE KO ORIN
THAT'S FINE
BUT NOW WE'RE LOSING AT FUCKING HELL'S TOKAMAK OF ALL DAMN THINGS
SEE THE FAIL SUBMISSION THREAD FOR BOTH REPLAYS
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GOD DAMMIT SA I'M JUST TRYING TO UNLOCK MARISAA FOR EXTRA
uhhh...take it from me, you don't want that.
MarisaA gave me hell to clear that stage.
I ended up winning because of my knowledge of the spellcards and nonspells, but even then, with only 1 life left because let's perfect the last part of Subterranean Rose at 0 power
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uhhh...take it from me, you don't want that.
MarisaA gave me hell to clear that stage.
I ended up winning because of my knowledge of the spellcards and nonspells, but even then, with only 1 life left because let's perfect the last part of Subterranean Rose at 0 power
THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO DO
I WANT TO KILL MYSELF BY BEATING EXTRA WITH MARISA
IT WOULD BE THE BEST THING EVER IF I WERE TO DO THAT
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I'm almost glad I died a reasonable death on BoLaD, otherwise that death on BoHaY with 0 SECONDS LEFT ON THE TIMER after perfecting the entire bloody stage up to that point would have been way too painful.
(as though it wasn't painful anyway)
Of course, I then proceeded to die TWO SEPARATE TIMES to DBF.
what is wrong with me :colonveeplusalpha:
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Final phase of Grudge Bow, why you hate me? (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21592)
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What an epic way to fail a no bombs run at the Newborn Divine Spirit replay (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21602)
This also goes to let's fail thread.
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> Scorerunning UFO Normal
> lol what are red ufos
dies to Byakuren's third nonspell
GRAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
I can soooooo crack 500 million.
My score on this run was 480,900,000.
I should have set a higher goal :getdown:
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>Marisa in SA Ultra Lunatic
ha
hahaha
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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> Scorerunning UFO Normal
> lol what are red ufos
dies to Byakuren's third nonspell
GRAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
I can soooooo crack 500 million.
My score on this run was 480,900,000.
I should have set a higher goal :getdown:
Go for 1 billion :V
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UTSUHO GOD FUCKING DAMMIT
YOU ARE THE EASIEST FINAL BOSS IN THE SERIES
YOU HAVE KILLED ME TWICE ON NORMAL
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YOU ARE THE EASIEST FINAL BOSS IN THE SERIES
wait (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Yuyuko_Saigyouji) what (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Toyosatomimi_no_Miko)
(http://i.imgur.com/yUTlK.png)
Relevance.
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wait (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Yuyuko_Saigyouji)
Scorerunning says hiYou think it's bad enough that I lost an Ultra Normal IN 1cc to Astronomical Entombing?
Don't go for Ultra Final A. It's horrible, especially the final card. Okay, so is Rainbow Danmaku, but at least you can stream that for a bit.
Also yeah, scorerunning. Damn my inconsistency with scoring. Damn it to hell (http://pic.twitter.com/TSJZkWhn).
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Remilia I find is the easiest final boss on normal because my last encounter with her was 1D1B :V
(Bear in mind that I have only fought her three times.)
Utsuho on the other hand is a monster, so I have no idea what you're going on about, Esu :getdown:
I practice her stage every other day and I still have only captured Fixed Star, Nuclear Fusion (this took a while), and Hell's Artificial Sun (first try what)
Also, rage?
No-miss Mamizou, until Tanuki's Monsterous School, which becomes suddenly an ALL OF THE MISSES MAMIZOU.
Go for 1 billion :V
Are you daft? I went nearly exclusively for blue UFOs in this run and raised the PIV as high as 32,000 in the process and still only got 480 million. I'm not that hardcore :fail:
Still, 480 million + ND1B Shou (The bomb was a panicbomb on Whatever Justice Aura Thing) is a damn good improvement over the last time I played Normal, which was only like 210 million.
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Damn you Ace >~< Making me playing UFO Hard... I just lost my mind to Nazrin. . _ ."
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wait (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Yuyuko_Saigyouji) what (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Toyosatomimi_no_Miko)
Out of Utsuho's five spellcards, I can clear four of them on Normal.
Out of Miko's six(?) spellcards, I can clear four of them on Normal.
Out of Yuyuko's six spellcards, I can clear four on Normal.
By technicality, that makes Okuu the easiest Final Boss for me on Normal.
Now for actual problems.
Miko makes up for her lack of ability to make competent spellcards with her nonspells which can give me a run for my money if I'm not careful.
Yuyuko has cards that can give me a run for my money.
Okuu has neither one of these traits, unless you count her first two cards.
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The problem with most TD characters is a low rating on the Sliding Scale of Nonspell vs. Spell Card Dangerousness :V
I thought we've been over this ~
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Out of Utsuho's five spellcards, I can clear four of them on Normal.
Out of Miko's six(?) spellcards, I can clear four of them on Normal.
Out of Yuyuko's six spellcards, I can clear four on Normal.
By technicality, that makes Okuu the easiest Final Boss for me on Normal.
Now for actual problems.
Miko makes up for her lack of ability to make competent spellcards with her nonspells which can give me a run for my money if I'm not careful.
Yuyuko has cards that can give me a run for my money.
Okuu has neither one of these traits, unless you count her first two cards.
Miko has seven spellcards. :3
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wait (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Yuyuko_Saigyouji) what (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Toyosatomimi_no_Miko)
why (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Kaguya_Houraisan) hello (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Kanako_Yasaka)
i think i'm the only person that finds kaguya lunatic easy
Scorerunning says hi
seriously why does td scoring miko have to be so goddamn retarded
oh wait that's td scoring in general
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i think i'm the only person that finds kaguya lunatic easy
Pretty much.
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lunatic Kaguya isn't that bad, honestly easiest 2 are Kanako and (surprisingly) Utsuho. 2DNB and 3DNB fights with them kind of give that impression :V
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5 minutes ago:
*throws headphones at monitor* "Fuck it, I'm fucking done with this shitty fucking game! 400 fucking credits and I make it past Ichirin one fucking time! Never touching UFO scoring again!" *inserts another credit*
I think I have a problem guys... :ohdear:
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Are you daft? I went nearly exclusively for blue UFOs in this run and raised the PIV as high as 32,000 in the process and still only got 480 million. I'm not that hardcore :fail:
Still, 480 million + ND1B Shou (The bomb was a panicbomb on Whatever Justice Aura Thing) is a damn good improvement over the last time I played Normal, which was only like 210 million.
Hm...are you spamming rainbows in the first two stages? You should be able to get your point value to 17000 after stage 1
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why (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Kaguya_Houraisan)
WHAT
5 minutes ago:
*throws headphones at monitor* "Fuck it, I'm fucking done with this shitty fucking game! 400 fucking credits and I make it past Ichirin one fucking time! Never touching UFO scoring again!" *inserts another credit*
I think I have a problem guys... :ohdear:
I think everyone here has that problem.
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Esu-chan, I challenge you >:3
(Even though you'll probably win.)
Let's both scorerun UFO Normal, eh?
I've made a note to summon more rainbows and @Railgun I've only managed 14,000 so far at stage 1's end.
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I've made a note to summon more rainbows and @Railgun I've only managed 14,000 so far at stage 1's end.
18k PIV route. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21631) I normally use a red for my first UFO instead though. I also meant to milk Naz' second midboss non down to the last second, but I accidentally killed her :blush:
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I put lots of emphasis into PIV raising this time!
But I didn't follow your route, sorry :<
At least I got a fairly good score, right!?
Dude, Esupanitix! Are you up for that challenge?
I don't think I'm going to get more than 740 mil anytime soon :getdown:
Oh, rage?
Perhaps fucking Windows Vista deciding that it hates Touhou and saddling me with inconsistent instances of lagging?
Stage 6 was hit the worst ;_;
I probably would have gotten 800m if not for some idiocy on my keyboard's part, such as sticking the "up" key and POCing all of a just-summoned UFO's items >:(
Also, PCB. I had to tap right twice on occasion because Sakuya wouldn't register the first press.
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Esu-chan, I challenge you >:3
(Even though you'll probably win.)
Let's both scorerun UFO Normal, eh?
I've made a note to summon more rainbows and @Railgun I've only managed 14,000 so far at stage 1's end.
I saw the beginning of your replay. You summoned rainbows too early and you're not collecting UFOs while one is up
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Too early?
You mean, I need to hold off on summoning them for an extra second or two, or what?
Scorerunning any of these games isn't a field you can expect me to know what I'm doing in, Railgun :getdown:
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Too early?
You mean, I need to hold off on summoning them for an extra second or two, or what?
Scorerunning any of these games isn't a field you can expect me to know what I'm doing in, Railgun :getdown:
Too early as in don't just summon one because the right color was available. Just wait a bit until a better time and you'll have a UFO out with additional pieces to collect.
I finished watching your replay. Nice job getting such a score. Derp moments, but still a good job :3
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I swear I have barely any idea as to what I'm doing in terms of a UFO path after stage 3 :V
Too easy to mess up. And I don't really practice it, either.
Just another thing to do after finals are done.
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You should be thankful you have a path for Stage 3. x_X
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You should be thankful you have a path for Stage 3. x_X
Agreed x10 >_<
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I went for some more Double Spoiler. More specifically, Levels 8, 9 and 10. I captured DNA Flaw, 9-7 and Iku's final with almost zero issues, like two attempts on each exept for 9-7 which was some 5 or 6 attempts. You'd think I'd feel fucking great after that but it was all ruined by Tenshi's flamethrower attack which took me forever to figure out an approach to, an unreasonable amount of failing trying to do that Satori attack where she shoots out green balls that explode (which is supposed to be fucking easy) and of course 10-1 which took me an eternity to get right even though I now know the thing about the lasers aiming.
Some these things all caused for some annoying raging and they meant I got to spend an eternity trying to clear scenes that aren't as much about pure dodging as they are about figuring out some trick and using it and given I had even forgotten everything about these scenes or never had a good strategy to begin with I ended up spending a lot of time on it.
It took 1 hour and 20 minutes. 15 minutes spent on 10-1 alone.
So uhh... fuck 10-1, 9-3 and 10-7 cause' they made me RAGE!! I feel a lot better now. This thread works wonders for getting rid of frustration. ;)
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Long breaks.
Never was my thing. Now I have to learn all the shit again.
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Dude, Esupanitix! Are you up for that challenge?
OKAY OKAY GOD
I'm just mad because FRAPS DECIDED NOT TO REGISTER AN F4 PRESS AND I FUCKED UP AN ENTIRE RECORDING OF DS 8-1 TO 8-5
AND I WAS LEGITIMATELY YELLING AND SCREAMING TOO, THE VIDEO WOULD HAVE BEEN FUNNY, WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU FRAPS
I HATE YOU
But yes I will take that challenge, what character?
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Your choosing, but SanaeB / Normal Mode doubles as an entry to the Touhou Tournament 28. :>
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Your choosing, but SanaeB / Normal Mode doubles as an entry to the Touhou Tournament 28. :>
YOU'RE ON
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SON OF A BITCH SHOU
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740 Million? Fuck no.
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So, after what must have been my 11th or 12th continue on SA stage 4, I was losing any motor skills I had to the rage building inside me. Due to this, I made a stupid mistake at the beginning and lost a life. I decided that that run of the stage wasn't worth going through, so I opened the pause menu and went to "give up and retry", thinking it meant retrying just the stage, like an automatic continue.
And then the stage 1 music played. :colonveeplusalpha:
No game has ever filled me with as much pure, unadulterated hatred as Subterranean Animism. I miss the continue system we had before MoF. It was so nice -not- having to redo the whole freaking stage.
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@Esupanitix
Scorerunning UFO is pretty fun, isn't it?
Even though I recall screwing up somewhere on Shou, I forget where. I'll have to review my replay.
How well did you do?
And speaking of Shou, why is it that I can perfect her fight on Normal, and 4D4B it on Hard?
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@Esupanitix
Scorerunning UFO is pretty fun, isn't it?
Even though I recall screwing up somewhere on Shou, I forget where. I'll have to review my replay.
How well did you do?
And speaking of Shou, why is it that I can perfect her fight on Normal, and 4D4B it on Hard?
I want in on this, gives me a reason to break 1 bil on Normal :getdown:
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Must... break... 231-1...
*dies while grazing Nazrin's first spell on Normal"
:colonveeplusalpha:
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Yumemi is such a troll. I've even come up with moronic nicknames for her attacks. It's just too fun to say "super gloom boomer."
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I want in on this, gives me a reason to break 1 bil on Normal :getdown:
I'm only rivalling against Esu-chan because I think our skills are pretty close.
(No offense to you, Ace :getdown: )
You can go for it. I need an excuse to return to improving my score :V
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Muu Double Spoiler ye makes me angry! Why can I not capture Kanako's laser snakes within a reasonable amount of time? It looks easy but final phase speeds up too much and kills me. Eventually I decided to just skip it. No point in playing stuff you don't find entertaining. Oh and I also skipped the one where she makes those blue walls because I didn't the fuck feel like it.
In fact, just fuck Kanako in this game. Two of her attacks are complete jokes and the rest being laser rape that doesn't amuse me or wall rape which just boils down to figuring out how you were supposed to do it again. At least Suwako knows how to please a guy. Her stuff is delicious.
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Hey guys.
Remember that replay of MOUNTAIN OF FAITH LUNATIC that I CAPTURED PEERLESS WIND GOD IN?
Remember how HAPPY I WAS MAKING IT TO VIRTUE OF WIND GOD ON ONE LIFE?
Well guess what.
THE REPLAY IS HORRIBLY DESYNCED.
BOTCHED
FUCKED UP
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
OF ALL OF THE FUCKING THINGS TO HAPPEN THIS TOPS ANY OTHER ONE OF THEM
I CAN TAKE LOSING TO FLYING FANTASTICA ON NORMAL
I CAN TAKE DOUBLE KO'ING NUE
I CAN TAKE SUWAKO CLIPPING ME AT PARTY START IN A SCORE RUN
I CAN TAKE DYING AT STAGE 2
BUT THIS
THIS
THIS
THISSSSSSSSS
IS UTTER BULLSHIT.
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Is it only desyncing in Stage 4? If so, that's a known problem. Just start the replay from Stage 3 and let it run without fast-forwarding.
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Is it only desyncing in Stage 4? If so, that's a known problem. Just start the replay from Stage 3 and let it run without fast-forwarding.
...*facepalm*
So I just made that over-the-top post for nothing...
Would you say it is worth getting that mad if your replay was 100% fucked up, I.E. no matter where you start it it works incorrectly?
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*explodes* After dozens of attempts, I FINALLY recently got the hang of Ran/Yukari's survival card. Unfortunately, when it comes time to put it to use practically, of course I get clipped in the last 3 seconds. DAMMIT. Oh well, at least SakuyaB makes the stage so trivial (except for the fact that I always make a half-assed attempt in the stage, leading to deaths here and there that shouldn't be happening, and me restarting because of it).
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@Ace
I got pretty upset when my first 1CC of SA Normal got botched >_>
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...*facepalm*
So I just made that over-the-top post for nothing...
Would you say it is worth getting that mad if your replay was 100% fucked up, I.E. no matter where you start it it works incorrectly?
I would say it is entirely worth getting that mad about.
Glance back through the thread and you'll see I got amazingly pissed off to a point bordering on insanity when Double Spoiler crashed and it denied me my 9-7 90FPS replay after 1000 attempts.
It is one of the most frustrating things in the world to have accomplished something great and then have absolutely nothing to show for it, after all, what is the point of all this but to maintain your crisp certainty of superiority to others? :3
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9-7 ultra
never try this
ever (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21655)
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*hitting head on desk*
stage 1
cirno
stage 3
meiling
go away
ugrghgoigsd
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Day 1 of learning how to play against Kanako in a competent way
At 8:50 PM, I started practice for Stage 6 Lunatic with Reimu C. It all went perfect until the end of the regular stage when I died at the last wave. I then bombed Kanako's opening nonspell because ZUN is a dick for making that the first nonspell. First spell captured, second nonspell captured, but then the Crop card whose name I cannot recall. Easy. You just need micrododging ability, which Taizen doesn't have. The nonspell after that is... Well, jerkish. After that nonspell, Yamato "Go Fuck Your Mother" Torus. Those damn knives. I bombed through it, and sat through the long, LONG nonspell. The rains, I know how to do but I keep screwing up with a misdodge. But then Virtue of Wind God. I hated this card yet loved it. I made it halfway through and then lost five lives.
Fuck.
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, which Taizen doesn't have
I have many a replay that suggests otherwise ::)
Oh, excellent. I just netted captures of all of Kanako's nonspells, Weird Dance, The Micrododging One, and Yamato Torus, all in the same practice run.
At the expense of dying five times to Heaven's Dragon and VoWG.
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I died to Rumia on lunatic.
Fuck Logic.
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I died to Rumia on lunatic.
Fuck Logic.
Demarcation is stupid. That is by far one of the hardest final spells on Lunatic when it comes to Stage 1.
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Demarcation is stupid. That is by far one of the hardest final spells on Lunatic when it comes to Stage 1.
First EoSD lunatic 1cc-->BOMB DEMARCATION-->perfect Cirno
Second EoSD lunatic 1cc-->perfect Rumia-->bomb Cirno's opener
all became right with the world after that.
Also I can't Touhou because 30 FPS again.
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Demarcation is stupid. That is by far one of the hardest final spells on Lunatic when it comes to Stage 1.
It's not stupid. The bullets are aimed at you and you move to the side while dodge the rest. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ypy9coJSHNw&t=2m33s
It being the among the hardest or not is of course debatable. I don't agree though.
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Reading the waves you have to go through in Demarcation is piss easy after a while. It's hard to derp on them even in off runs.
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Guys, I think I've finally done it.
I've made myself go insane.
I spent the past HOUR AND A FUCKING HALF trying to get to Hina on Lunatic with at least two lives in stock but I keep fucking up somewhere.
I've made it to Kanako on Lunatic before, so don't say "Just practice" because that won't help the issue if I was able to deal with it before.
I don't want to take a break because the reason I've been doing this is to accomplish the goal that I got so fucking close to doing yesterday: 1ccing MoF Lunatic.
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Guys, I think I've finally done it.
I've made myself go insane.
If you're losing lives before then, bomb everything that isn't simple streaming.
Also, you've only just realized you're insane. Like the rest of us. Someone get Reisen and Youmu in here :V
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Also, you've only just realized you're insane. Like the rest of us. Someone get Reisen and Youmu in here :V
I meant the kind of insane where it would be optimal to go to the hospital.
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I meant the kind of insane where it would be optimal to go to the hospital.
I had 2 tries reach Kanako easily.
Immediately after I spent 40 minutes not getting through Stage 2.
This is standard going for a first 1cc.
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I clipped Yuyuko's survival spell with 4 seconds left on the clock. RAEG IMMINENT. >:(
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God's Flashing Slash.
That is all.
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Guys, I think I've finally done it.
I've made myself go insane.
I spent the past HOUR AND A FUCKING HALF trying to get to Hina on Lunatic with at least two lives in stock but I keep fucking up somewhere.
I've made it to Kanako on Lunatic before, so don't say "Just practice" because that won't help the issue if I was able to deal with it before.
I don't want to take a break because the reason I've been doing this is to accomplish the goal that I got so fucking close to doing yesterday: 1ccing MoF Lunatic.
Well there's a reason they call it "Lunatic" difficulty.
But seriously Esu, don't feel bad about it. We all have instances like that where we almost pull off something amazing, and on subsequent attempts suddenly have trouble. There might be an element of the "caterpillar's dilemma" here, or it might be not being familiar enough with the ways certain attacks can, well, attack you, or it might be not having good resource management in those later attempts, etc.
You say for us not to tell you "just practice", but in a way that's what it comes down to. If you keep dying in the early levels then it's kinda hard to say that you've been truly "able to deal with it". Don't get me wrong, striving for consistency in the early levels is still a very worthwhile investment when going for a first 1cc. But as a long time piano player, I can say from experience that when it comes to long practice sessions in anything, not just Touhou, you'll sometimes only see the fruits of all that practice after you take a break. You essentially give your brain time to process all the things you just learned.
All in all, don't feel discouraged at not seeing results as soon as you'd like. Just keep at it Esu. I know you can get the 1cc. Trust me, all the pain and suffering will feel worth it when you finally pull it off.
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Well there's a reason they call it "Lunatic" difficulty.
But seriously Esu, don't feel bad about it. We all have instances like that where we almost pull off something amazing, and on subsequent attempts suddenly have trouble. There might be an element of the "caterpillar's dilemma" here, or it might be not being familiar enough with the ways certain attacks can, well, attack you, or it might be not having good resource management in those later attempts, etc.
You say for us not to tell you "just practice", but in a way that's what it comes down to. If you keep dying in the early levels then it's kinda hard to say that you've been truly "able to deal with it". Don't get me wrong, striving for consistency in the early levels is still a very worthwhile investment when going for a first 1cc. But as a long time piano player, I can say from experience that when it comes to long practice sessions in anything, not just Touhou, you'll sometimes only see the fruits of all that practice after you take a break. You essentially give your brain time to process all the things you just learned.
All in all, don't feel discouraged at not seeing results as soon as you'd like. Just keep at it Esu. I know you can get the 1cc. Trust me, all the pain and suffering will feel worth it when you finally pull it off.
Okay, thank you for the encouragement.
On another note FUCK YOU ORIN
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So far I've died seven or eight times after God's Flashing Slash on perfect PCB Stage 5 run. None of them made it past Worldly Attachment.
Dear Youmu:
http://myfacewhen.com/3/
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>I'M GOING TO PERFECT UP TO MEILING ON LUNATIC
>Die to Selaginella 9
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>I'M GOING TO PERFECT UP TO MEILING ON LUNATIC
>Die to Selaginella 9
Well done :V
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(tries out IN Lunatic)
(is pwnt by Wriggle's spells)
(continue on first boss)
(facedesk)
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*sobsobsob* FUCK YOU REMILIA. YOU AND YOUR SCARLET MEISTER DRAINED MY BOMBS, AND THEN YOU AND YOUR SCARLET GENSOKYO GOES AHEAD AND TROLLS ME BY ACTUALLY LETTING ME SURVIVE WITH NOTHING LEFT UNTIL YOU HAD LESS THAN A QUARTER OF YOUR HP LEFT. AND THEN YOU GO AND WALL ME WITH A WALL THAT ISNT EVEN A WALL. WHAT THE FUCK REMILIA.
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Soooooo, why is Kogasa not the last boss of UFO again? :colonveeplusalpha:
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Soooooo, why is Kogasa not the last boss of UFO again? :colonveeplusalpha:
Because Shou, Murasa, Ichirin, and Byakuren are worse.
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(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/4818/ughl.png)
There was hardly anything in that corner, but I managed to crash into a bullet that I thought I would run past. Now I have to play the stage a dozen more times to get another PWG that's remotely possible :colonveeplusalpha:
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Made it to Byakuren for the first time on Hard, after reaching Murasa with five lives and Shou with three.
I had 0.75 lives at the time.
It didn't end well.
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Dammit Satori what is wrong with you I'm fucking great at your penultimate card on Hard but on Normal it's like driving a truck through a farmland and expecting it not to run over plants.
Also fuck Border of Wave and Particle.
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PoDD sucks.
Although I did place second in the race by losing my last life then getting another during the explosion after dying.
but PoDD still sucks.
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... (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21722)
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Oh mothy, your music is the only remedy that is keeping me from pulling a glass table out of my basement to flip into the back yard.
Hint: LOOK AT THE FUCKING HEALTH BAR.
I HATE YOU PENULTIMATE CARD
YOU DID THIS
Okay, better. Just needed to get that off my chest.
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I hate Virtue of Wind God.
Come at me with your torches.
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You'll have to work hard to compensate for that one BT. Please tell us something to put our torches at ease.
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It's a fast paced random gap reading card. That in itself is fun, but finding the gaps are only half the job. Since you have walls flying at you from several angles, finding your way to the gap is the other half.
The card is 'random' but follows certain patterns. As a result, the gaps always appear. What changes is your position; the distance from the gaps. If you don't read the gaps quickly enough, you get closed off, and that's completely natural, as you failed at the thing the card is about.
How about those waves that have you go through walls? Even top players reach that scenario here and there. Is it because they don't read the gaps fast enough? I don't think so.
When you're far enough from the gaps, certain waves block you off and force you through walls.
The card is about fast gap reading. Why is it forcing you through walls? The walls aren't meant to be passed through. The card isn't meant to wall you.
Dying despite reading the waves successfully are the worst deaths. Dying despite doing exactly what the card is meant to require you to do makes you hate the card.
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Irony. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12743.msg841274.html#msg841274)
I know that once I get better at going through those walls this anger will be a thing of the past, but I feel as if my reason for hating this card right now is legitimate.
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GOD DAMMIT ADVANCED SYSTEMCARE
I FUCKING HATE YOU
IF I'M PLAYING A GAME IN WINDOWED (I kinda have to for TD) YOU LOVE TO JUST STOP EVERYTHING WITHOUT PAUSING THE GAME WHEN YOU'RE ANNOUNCING SOMETHING STUPID LIKE "I am cleaning up your computer :>"
I MADE IT TO FUTO ON HARD WITH THREE LIVES AND THIS THING RUINED TWO OF THEM, WHICH I LOST THE REMAINDER OF TO FUTO BECAUSE MY ANGRY KEPT ME FROM THINKING STRAIGHT
My music only works as an opiate when the failures ARE MY FUCKING FAULT
THIS IS NOT MY FAULT
THIS IS ZUN'S FAULT FOR NOT MAKING IT SO THAT TOUHOU GAMES ARE ALWAYS ON TOP UNLESS MINIMIZED
Or if you want to keep from blaming the drunken god himself, ADVANCED SYSTEMCARE FOR NOT LETTING YOU TURN OFF THAT STUPID PROMPT SAYING THAT IT'S CLEANING YOUR DAMN COMPUTER
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My responses in bold.
How about those waves that have you go through walls? Even top players reach that scenario here and there. Is it because they don't read the gaps fast enough? I don't think so.
Because players need to stay under Kanako for the most part (this is far from a unique occurrence, especially in Touhou where bosses are so small), and the random orientations of the waves do have an affect on what they'll need to dodge while in that position. It's most evident in scoreruns since players want as high a Spellcard Bonus as possible.
When you're far enough from the gaps, certain waves block you off and force you through walls.
The card is about fast gap reading. Why is it forcing you through walls? The walls aren't meant to be passed through. The card isn't meant to wall you.
If you can pass through the walls (rather convincingly, I might add), then they aren't really "walls" are they? The card isn't meant to wall you, because the card never does truly wall you. And I disagree, the "walls" are meant to be passed through. That's why people repeatedly describe VoWG as a great test of your dodging skill, because there is that micrododging element combined with finding larger gaps around the walls (the macrododging part).
Dying despite reading the waves successfully are the worst deaths. Dying despite doing exactly what the card is meant to require you to do makes you hate the card.
I'm not sure I understand. If you died on VoWG, then you did not, in fact, do what the card asked you to do to dodge it. Maybe I'm using a bit too much of a results-based perspective, especially since there are other cards out there that are more distinctly lucked-based, but you get the idea.
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UFO broke my opiate. I thought it would work but it doesn't.
I made it to Shou with five lives and lost two to Radiant Treasure Gun
Making it with a low amount to Shou (Yes I consider 5 lives low) was bad enough, now we have DYING TWICE TO A SPELL.
FUCKING HELL UFO I FUCKING HATE YOU I'M NEVER PLAYING YOU AGAIN
...*inserts another coin*
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Orin's 3rd spell.
4 deaths.
What is this I don't even. (granted I wasn't bombing to keep power for Small Demos' Revival which I captured, but still)
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My responses in bold.
My opinion is that the 'macrododging' part of the card IS the card. If you aren't fast enough, you get walled by 'walls' that aren't as dense as they should be so you can go through them. Since I don't believe you're meant to go through the 'walls' that aren't walls, I don't believe I die to what the card asked me to dodge when I die to them. If you didn't read the gaps fast enough, you die, because you failed the card. The fact that you can actually live because the walls don't do their jobs is the problem.
Of course, then there's how you can get 'walled' irregardless of your gap-reading ability, which is the other thing I hate the card for.
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by that you mean...what? I've seen a lot of iterations of waves, and the only one I haven't been able to get through is where 2 cross each other in the lane I've selected, and I could see gaps-just not read them fast enough to fit through them.
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That's kind of what I'm talking about. Sometimes I read the gaps but the card pretty much forces me to micrododge because I wasn't close enough to them.
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DRRRRR.
"Scorerunning" a Lunatic mode? Are you nuts?
700,000 Faith and 150,000,000 points and no deaths and full bombs and then CLIPPING A BULLET ON NITORI'S FIRST CARD.
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I see where you're coming from with this, BT. I could say that if you were reading the walls well enough you would never be forced through the walls, which may or may not be true, but it's beside the point. Sometimes the way around the walls is actually smaller than the holes in the walls anyway. Just think about how the attack works, and how fairly static it is compared to other things, though obviously it still has some random elements. While random things are a lot of fun, making things different and unpredictable every time, they also have the capacity to shit on you if they feel like it, and preventing that from being a problem is one of the things that makes the difference between a fun pattern and a terrible one. You have to wonder just how much 'random' a pattern like VoWG can get away with before it becomes bullshit, and what could be done to make it more random while not becoming too wall-happy. A solution, in this case, is to make the so called 'walls' not really walls, so that if the player becomes trapped, he still has a way to survive. A pretty reasonable way to survive, in fact, since the bullets will probably be spaced out pretty well if the pattern is covering so much space that you can't go around it. So in exchange for a fast and unpredictable pattern that's really fun to dodge, you sometimes have to deal with a micro-dodge every once in a while. IMO, that's a price well worth paying to play the rest of the attack as it is. Alternatively, ZUN could have toned everything down, made the walls too dense to slip through, and ensure that they're always far enough apart that you never need to micro-dodge, but would it be anywhere near as fun like that?
Of course, if you play the card and just don't enjoy it, then that's how it is. I won't say you have to have fun with it, I'm just trying to justify the need pass through walls now and then.
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You're just jelly you can't capture it
I don't see what's so bad. It's hard as hell, yes, but I don't see what's so not fun about it. It requires you to stay on your toes.
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I like how it requires constant dodging. I'm actually pretty good at that. It's the micrododging I dislike. :(
Also, I can capture it, tyvm.
@Zil: I don't like the way micrododging seems to be forced on you here and there, but I guess this is more of an opinion thing now.
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Difficulty in MoF is lol
Yamato Torus is easier than Misayama Shrine Hunting Ritual, and Miracle of Otensui and Mountain of Faith are easier on Normal than on Easy
I just ran through Stage 6 four times and did horribly on all of them
Easy mode:
Expanded Onbashira -Capped
Rice Porridge -Failed
Misayama -Capped
Miracle -Failed
Mountain of Faith -Failed
Normal mode:
Onbashira- Capped
Porridge- Failed
Misayama- Failed
Miracle of Otensui- Capped
Mountain of Faith - Capped
Hard mode:
Onbashira- Capped
Porridge- Failed
Kuzui Clear Water- Capped
Source of Rains- Capped
VoWG - Failed
Lunatic mode:
Onbashira- Failed
Porridge- Failed
Yamato Torus- Capped
Source of Rains- Failed
VoWG- Failed
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Rice Porridge- Failed
Porridge- Failed
Porridge- Failed
Porridge- Failed
I find this very interesting. What of the nonspells though?
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All of the Rice God failures were due to oh I hope the bullet sprite touching my hitbox doesn't register as OH LOOK.
There were never any head-on collisions, just the cases where they brush against the side >_>
I dub the nonspells "Bullshit," "Streaming," "Walls," and "Overly Long."
From Easy to Lunatic:
Bullshit: Pass, Pass, Fail, Fail
Streaming: Pass, Fail, Pass, Pass (I love how they don't SORT THEMSELVES OUT FOR YOU on easier modes)
Walls: Pass, Pass, Fail, Pass
Overly Long: Pass, Pass, Fail, Pass
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I FUCKING HATE MISAYAMA SHRINE HUNTING RITUAL
I REFUSE TO PLAY NORMAL JUST BECAUSE THAT FUCKERY-FILLED CARD EXISTS.
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I dub the nonspells "Bullshit," "Streaming," "Walls," and "Overly Long."
Accurate :V
Also ultra 4-8 on StB can go die in a fire. Walls going everywhere, coming from everywhere and bouncing everywhere are not fun.
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I like how it requires constant dodging. I'm actually pretty good at that. It's the micrododging I dislike. :(
The micrododging aspect is really awesome here though. Part of what makes the card so cool is that it forces you to be ready to switch between micrododging and macrododging with very short notice. It's not like the card is picky about precision or anything either.
Also, to my experience, getting 'walled' is always avoidable. If not 100% consistently then most of the time. At worst, it'll throw a wave at you that you can't completely move around but they are usually seperated a bit from each other. At this point all you is to dodge through the gaps in the wave.
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I just ran through Stage 6 four times and did horribly on all of them
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Why Kanako, why did you kill me on your opener on lunatic :fail:
On that note, 2 of the hard mode failures were entirely due to the pattern being too slow, and the lunatic VoWG was a timeout attempt that failed at 81 seconds left, which would have been a capture.
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Emerald Megalith Lunatic
:colonveeplusalpha:
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Thank god this was not serious, otherwise I'd be mad (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21755).
Hahahha, Can't stop laugin'.
Ahahaha.
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Dear Sakuya Izayoi,
PADPADPADPADPADPADPADPADPAD
PADPADPAD
PAD
PADPADPAD
PADPADPADPADPADPADPADPADPAD
Signed, Esupanitix.
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Right. Twice in a row now, using Magic Team, I manage to get as far as Rainbow Danmaku when my resources run out.
The first time this happened, I laughed at the oh-so-close-yet-so-far-ness of it all. But the second time? The time for laughter is over.
I'm going to have to start doing like, meditative deep-breathing exercises once I reach that point, I think. Anxiety will not win! I will 1cc IN with someone other than Border Team!
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GOD FUCKING DAMMIT KEYBOARD
Do you know a little art known as keeping your arrow keys from sticking? Because that problem killed me. so many times.
You've ruined...
3 EoSD Lunatic attempts,
2 PCB Hard attempts (I did succeed eventually),
1 IN Lunatic attempt,
8 MoF Lunatic attempts,
4 SA Hard attempts,
2 UFO Hard attempts,
1 12.8 Normal route B1 attempt,
4 TD Hard attempts
FUCK YOU KEYBOARD YOU PIECE OF FUCKING SHIT I WISH I HAD THE GALL TO ABUSE YOU LIKE NOVA ABUSES HIS
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Check this topic I made, Esu.
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12828.0/wap2.html
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Check this topic I made, Esu.
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12828.0/wap2.html
Tomorrow I'll try to use a gamepad again, I'd do it now but my last day of school is tomorrow. :qq:
Reluctant to use it though because one's not good for micrododging, another's got a shitty dpad (I'll give you a hint: It has an X on it, it's white, and it was made by microsoft intended for FPS games).
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another's got a shitty dpad (I'll give you a hint: It has an X on it, it's white, and it was made by microsoft intended for FPS games).
Oh god never use that D-Pad for anything require even the remotest degree of precision, it is utterly impossible.
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And NOW I know why I moved to the keyboard.
You can't change from left to right instantly (Which in some games is absolutely necessary), you have to press down to get a direction in, which is tiring as hell, and often a button doesn't work and it's all Sorry to tell you this, but you're doing pacifist runs from now on! because the A, B, C, X, Y, and Z buttons don't wanna work.
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Why do I fail so hard at Stage Practice ?
EoSD stage 6 : game over at Remilia's first non-spell (yes, it's easy as hell, and yes, I often die twice to it...)
PCB stage 6 : fail everything, game over at Resurrection Butterfly (yes, starting with max lives), a few seconds after saying "ok, I can capture it"
IN stage 6 A/B : finish with 1/0, bombing and failing to almost everything at least once
I don't get it, I've already 1cc'ed these games (normal difficulty, I've only be playing for two months), how is it that I'm doing consistently worse after practicing/watching replays than before ?
And why did most of my 1cc's happen when I played the game after not touching it for like one week ? (hello, Mountain of Faith)
And how can I possibly die with SIX bombs in stock ?
(sorry to "rage" as a first post on these forums, I've been following the conversations for quite some time now)
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@Ace
I actually have a gamepad (Used it for SotW MAME challenges :3), but it's simply more comfortable on a keyboard, isn't it? :V
Plus, my button combinations were really unwieldy... like L1 to shoot, R1 to bomb... L1 was the C button in Fairy Wars and L2 froze things... R2 was Trance... I think either X or O were Focus...
I wonder what the best combination is, because I highly doubt I'd be able to get in much more than Normal 1CCs using a gamepad...
It's a shame, too, because the actual keyboard I have is going to hell rather quickly...
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The MoF stage 6 practice idea. Thanks to I have no name for the useful template.
The second nonspell is luckshit impossible at normal. Also,Mishayama Hunting Ritual Normal: 0/20
Easy was perfected but who cares, that's not even an achievement. (this whole post contains minimal rage as well but I can't think of a more suitable place to post it.)
P.S:Been lurking for like 9 months now through cellphone, but it's time I posted something since I have finally acquired a regular home connection.
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Hah, really funny Fairy Wars. Crashes everytime i start to boot the replay file of my B-2 Lunatic 1cc. It's saved as a C1 clear due to some weird glitch so it might be because of that. I don't really care though. The run was nothing in particular but it's still sorta annoying.
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Yeah, GFW has that glitch. It happened to me twice while I was clearing through Easy with one time turning my Route C2 clear into an Extra clear. That allowed me to see the congrats screen for that. :V
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There is a patch for that, if Zengeku ever feels like fixing that glitch in the future.
The second nonspell is luckshit impossible at normal. Also,Mishayama Hunting Ritual Normal: 0/20
For all of you complaining about Kanako's second nonspell on Normal, here you go (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVogeOy8w-c&t=1m44s). Also contains a Misayama Hunting Shrine Ritual capture - it really is streaming at its core.
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There is a patch for that, if Zengeku ever feels like fixing that glitch in the future.
I think I might feel like that. I still have C-1 and C-2 to go and I hear those are quite tougher and I might want to keep trophies of them when I win.
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There is a patch for that, if Zengeku ever feels like fixing that glitch in the future.
For all of you complaining about Kanako's second nonspell on Normal, here you go (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVogeOy8w-c&t=1m44s). Also contains a Misayama Hunting Shrine Ritual capture - it really is streaming at its core.
Would you mind linking me to said patch? I seem to be too stupid to find it. :/
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>Play MoF on Lunatic to cope with having to say goodbye to favorite teachers
>Make it to Stage 5
Wat
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>Lunatic Satori with Aya as partner: holy fuck these spells are easy
>Lunatic Satori with Suika as partner: HOLY FUCK THESE SPELLS ARE DESTRUCTIVE
It was fun seeing them once though. :3
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C-2
tougher
what
C2 is easiest route, I don't know here people get their A1 impressions from. The hardest part is the first stage, but if you get past that without dying it's a lot easier than the last two stages anywhere else.
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C2 is easiest route, I don't know here people get their A1 impressions from. The hardest part is the first stage, but if you get past that without dying it's a lot easier than the last two stages anywhere else.
Stage 2 Luna Child says hi. I know I have a much more frustrating time dealing with her spells compared to Stage 2 Star Sapphire. And there is the first stage, just like you so kindly pointed out. ;)
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I just wanna fucking go to bed but just telling you how the fuck my stupid day went.
>Start Touhou up
>Fail horribly
>Restart
>Repeat until psyche wears down
>Go into depressionistic rage cycle and act like parsee towards your best friend because you have nowhere better to vent
> Try again, get mad, rage cyccle
>Repeat four times
>Complain about how everyone has so much more skill than me as if I'm drunk because I feel like I'm giving myself a concussion just from being angry
>Key sticks when I'm about to 1cc, and I lose at the last possible moment
>More rage
>Sitting tired as hell trying to fucking understand StB 5-1 because it's a fucking asshole
>Typing right here and venting angrily
So yeah, that's how my last fucking day of school went, not to mention the crying. Oh dear god the crying.
Sad part was is that 80% of it was over Touhou and I cried a lot at school.
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Died at Orin's first and second non-cards, as well as having to bomb her first card (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21783)
What
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*venting*
Aren't you kinda taking this a bit too far? Wait what am I saying, doesn't this make me a hypocrite. :V
Anyway, try to focus on having more fun than raging because something doesn't go your way. I can tell you firsthand that you're only ruining yourself with doing this. If something doesn't work, screw it and try it later again. Yesterday my sixth controller died on me while being close to perfect MoF's Extra, needless to say the timing was as bad as it can get. But it's a game and you can redo it anytime.
Focus on having fun and if you feel like the game is being a chore, take a break off of it.
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Aren't you kinda taking this a bit too far? Wait what am I saying, doesn't this make me a hypocrite. :V
Anyway, try to focus on having more fun than raging because something doesn't go your way. I can tell you firsthand that you're only ruining yourself with doing this. If something doesn't work, screw it and try it later again. Yesterday my sixth controller died on me while being close to perfect MoF's Extra, needless to say the timing was as bad as it can get. But it's a game and you can redo it anytime.
Focus on having fun and if you feel like the game is being a chore, take a break off of it.
Thank you for helping and sorry for venting like that.
But let me just say, "taking it too far"? I've taken it much worse. I've cursed and screamed worse than Kyouko ever could. If my rage were made into consecutive posts, the really bad ones, it'd take 2 to 3 pages up if not more of just one topic. But yeah, I get what you mean.
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Don't worry about it, we all have our outbursts. I don't wanna come off as superior or anything, but if possible let's prevent ourselves from going all insane. ;)
On-topic, why is it that stage 4-6 in SA all have to have some kind of bullshit element that prevent me from perfecting the stage. D:< Stage 4 has Satori's non-spells and her first spell which are simply cliptastic, stage 5 has Cat Walk and popcorn hell and stage 6 has Utsuho's extremely retarded second and fourth non-spell, the latter being especially horrible due to the yellow bubble bullets covering up the spawned pillars entirely. I feel so cheated right now. <.<;
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Don't worry about it, we all have our outbursts. I don't wanna come off as superior or anything, but if possible let's prevent ourselves from going all insane. ;)
On-topic, why is it that stage 4-6 in SA all have to have some kind of bullshit element that prevent me from perfecting the stage. D:< Stage 4 has Satori's non-spells and her first spell which are simply cliptastic, stage 5 has Cat Walk and popcorn hell and stage 6 has Utsuho's extremely retarded second and fourth non-spell, the latter being especially horrible due to the yellow bubble bullets covering up the spawned pillars entirely. I feel so cheated right now. <.<;
Odd fact: When I used to play using MarisaB and a crappy controller on Normal, I perfected Stage 4. Now I can't do it again.
:wat:
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On-topic, why is it that stage 4-6 in SA all have to have some kind of bullshit element that prevent me from perfecting the stage. D:< Stage 4 has Satori's non-spells and her first spell which are simply cliptastic, stage 5 has Cat Walk and popcorn hell and stage 6 has Utsuho's extremely retarded second and fourth non-spell, the latter being especially horrible due to the yellow bubble bullets covering up the spawned pillars entirely. I feel so cheated right now. <.<;
Satori's first three attacks should be among her easiest. They're all static, and you can learn a way through them even with Marisa's larger hitbox.
I wouldn't call the two Stage 5 sections you mentioned "bullshit", but I agree that they're still really hard.
Which way are you streaming the yellow bubbles in Utsuho's fourth nonspell? The rows of metal-fatigue bullets are less dense on certain sides, so you should be going left the first time, then right the next, etc. If you want, you can also cheese the second nonspell by going above the metal-fatigue bullets on the second and third waves of each set. In addition, streaming the red bubbles is the opposite of the fourth nonspell: right first, then left, etc.
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I have a path for Satori's non-spells but the problem is the micrododging at a rather fast pace which doesn't always quite work out. And you pretty much have to rely on the bullet hitboxes not killing you off.
I usually stream right, then left and so on for the fourth non-spell so I guess I should try left first. I'm doing the same for the second non-spell but that one doesn't really work, the spaces are very dense and until you have enough time to maneuver around the next wave is already coming at you. I'll try your suggestions, thanks.
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PoFV Marisa attempt
>Die to Shikieiki in a 3.5 minute fight and beat her in one minute one second the next life
>Die to Sakuya one time
>Nearly die to Tewi
And then I realized shortly after that I was playing on easy.
OTL
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EoSD Lunatic
Died to Mercury Poison
MERCURY POISON
I can understand Emerald Megalith, but not Mercury Poison ;_;
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Mercury Poison is easy to beat you up when you're under pressure. I can completely relate to that.
... How are Utsuho's second and fourth nonspells worse than her third nonspell? In the bullshit department, I mean.
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>UFO Hard
>Arrive at boss Ichirin with six lives
>Clip first wave of first non-spell
>Die to first blue orb spam in Stage 4
>Clip final wave of the midboss
>Die to fairies after midboss
>Die to first wave of Murasa's first non-spell
>Begin Stage 5 with only 2/5 of a life and two bombs
Maybe I shouldn't attempt a serious run this late at night? :fail:
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Mercury Poison is easy to beat you up when you're under pressure. I can completely relate to that.
... How are Utsuho's second and fourth nonspells worse than her third nonspell? In the bullshit department, I mean.
Because
1. The third nonspell is the same variety as the first
2. There is a known safespot relative to Utsuho in the third nonspell that makes it trivial
3. The second and fourth nonspells are known for dicking around with the players
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Yeah, it's bullshit because you have to pray that you remember the safespots correctly. The second and fourth nonspells are dense but perfectly readable. How are they dicking around with the players?
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Yeah, it's bullshit because you have to pray that you remember the safespots correctly. The second and fourth nonspells are dense but perfectly readable. How are they dicking around with the players?
If you stream the wrong way, especially with the fourth one, you'll pretty much have to bomb.
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I don't recall having too many such problems with the nonspells. Besides, if you bomb every time that happens, which should be a rare occurance, it's not too bad because, well, it's SA, and you'll be bombing through most of the fight anyway.
Bombing every wave of the third card IS a big deal, though. And, yes, I tried, the bombs are enough for one wave each. Even ReimuA's. No way around it.
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Yeah, it's bullshit because you have to pray that you remember the safespots correctly. The second and fourth nonspells are dense but perfectly readable. How are they dicking around with the players?
The second and fourth nonspells are only dicking around with players who don't understand them. As you say, they are perfectly readable. I must insist that there is no BS related to the third nonspell since it's consistent where the gaps will be in relation to Utsuho's placement. Furthermore, you can most of the time simply position yourself at the very bottom, in the middle of the enemy indicator. You'll be fine for almost all situations, especially if you are playing with Reimu. Of course you are.
If you stream the wrong way, especially with the fourth one, you'll pretty much have to bomb.
On the second one you should move in the same direction as Utsuho and on the fourth you should move in the opposite direction as Utsuho. It was confusing to me too until I got this strategy pointed out to me. Then it became very easy.
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Fuck UFO hard. Just fuck it. I have had NO MOTIVATION to play through that game again because it's just the same fucking shit every fucking time I play it. It's infuriating beyond belief and has driven me to having a crying fit many, MANY times.
If I've SEEN A CARD MULTIPLE FUCKING TIMES I should be ABLE TO CLEAR IT, RIGHT? If I've CAPTURED IT BEFORE, I should be able to CAPTURE IT AGAIN, RIGHT?
That's why I've CAPTURED ALL OF THE SPELLS IN MURASA'S LIBRARY AT LEAST ONCE AND I'M ABLE TO PERFECT HER FIGHT, RIGHT?
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Mercury Poison is easy to beat you up when you're under pressure. I can completely relate to that.
... How are Utsuho's second and fourth nonspells worse than her third nonspell? In the bullshit department, I mean.
See those four curvy lines in the background, extending away from that center ball thingamabob? Stand in the row where the second curve's middle point is. All that is left to do is moving underneath Utsuho. It's bullshitting you once, then never again if you pay attention to where the safespot(s) is/are. :P
The others are hard for the reasons of 1) being very dense and until I got myself out of the mess of a wave the next one is already coming with wider space being at the other end of the screen and 2) the yellow bubbles covering up pillars. I haven't tried out the strategies since then though so it may or may not be easier after trying your tricks.
Oh and "bullshit" in my sense is everything I can't master in an instant. Don't take that one too literally. ^.^
e: zoop, the spot i was talking about (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15731590/safespot.png)
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Oh and "bullshit" in my sense is everything I can't master in an instant. Don't take that one too literally. ^.^
"Bullshit" in my sense is anything (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Undefined_Fantastic_Object/Spell_Cards/Stage_4#Spell_Card_56) that (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Undefined_Fantastic_Object/Spell_Cards/Stage_4#Spell_Card_49) takes (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Undefined_Fantastic_Object/Spell_Cards/Stage_5#Spell_Card_71) at least ten tries (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Mountain_of_Faith/Spell_Cards/Stage_3#Spell_Card_30) to (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Mountain_of_Faith/Spell_Cards/Stage_3#Spell_Card_40) come (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Mountain_of_Faith/Spell_Cards/Stage_3#Spell_Card_41) close to capturing (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Mountain_of_Faith/Spell_Cards/Stage_3#Spell_Card_42) and (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Embodiment_of_Scarlet_Devil/Spell_Cards/Stage_5#Spell_Card_34) is (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Embodiment_of_Scarlet_Devil/Spell_Cards/Stage_6#Spell_Card_47)n't (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Embodiment_of_Scarlet_Devil/Spell_Cards/Stage_6#Spell_Card_48) a final (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Embodiment_of_Scarlet_Devil/Spell_Cards/Stage_6#Spell_Card_49) spell (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Embodiment_of_Scarlet_Devil/Spell_Cards/Stage_6#Spell_Card_50) card. (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Embodiment_of_Scarlet_Devil/Spell_Cards/Stage_6#Spell_Card_51) (With exceptions)
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Nah. I'm way more guilty of using the term bullshit when it's not needed.
That is handy, thanks!
I actually really like it when the bubbles hide the new pillars since it means you have to read them really fast. I like those kind of things.
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I actually really like it when the bubbles hide the new pillars since it means you have to read them really fast. I like those kind of things.
dafuq?
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Alright, on my epic quest to capture all remaining spells on Lunatic in SA I haven't captured yet.
Cat Walk: 00/10
Bullshit in the literal sense. My brain can't read from the entire screen at the same time, especially when it's random and ridiculous waves coming at me. Fuck it. This was a short quest. And now you know why perfecting stages is something I despise very much (stage 3 SA and stage 5 MoF were very fair in my eyes since that was actual skill but things like this just push it too far). I don't consider Cat Walk anything you need skills at. Luck, my dear friends. Unless you are a frickin' master at danmaku.
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dafuq?
Patterns like this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12743.msg842856.html#msg842856), when some of the fast stuff you have to read is hidden until it's really close. That kind of reaction dodging is really fun.
Alright, on my epic quest to capture all remaining spells on Lunatic in SA I haven't captured yet.
Cat Walk: 00/10
Bullshit in the literal sense. My brain can't read from the entire screen at the same time, especially when it's random and ridiculous waves coming at me. Fuck it. This was a short quest. And now you know why perfecting stages is something I despise very much (stage 3 SA and stage 5 MoF were very fair in my eyes since that was actual skill but things like this just push it too far). I don't consider Cat Walk anything you need skills at. Luck, my dear friends.
Catwalk is possible, but it felt impossible before not too long, so I can see where you're coming from with the frustration.
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Catwalk is possible, but it felt impossible before not too long, so I can see where you're coming from with the frustration.
And literally right after I type this I try it out and capture it on the first try. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12743.msg842856.html#msg842856)
Uhh, yup, definitely possible. I'm pretty sure you're just as good as I am, if not better.
... I might have accidentally called it 'Cakewalk' in my post. Edit edit edit
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God dammit Yamame.
I fucking hate you and your stage even though that part I can perfect.
I COULD PERFECT PARSEE SOONER THAN YOU.
THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY FUCKING SENSE
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Why is Patchouli on Lunatic so freaking overpowered? I mean even Remilia is easier and she is already hardcore as hell. Jeez, micrododging with no visible hitbox is so fun it hurts. ;_:A
Bomb every spell at her, then proceed to lose three more lives at Sakuya and her super-awesome-hitbox-knives and ultimately game over at Remilia and even more hitbox shenanigans. I swear this game... HERE UFO, YOU HAVE A FRIEND TO PLAY WITH!
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UGH! I HAVE TO BEAT IMPERISHABLE NIGHT ON NORMAL AGAIN I DID IT LAST TIME WITH SIX SPARE LIVES COME ON
oh, I know, LET'S SET IT TO 90FPS
THAT FIXES EVERYTHING.
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God dammit Yamame.
I fucking hate you and your stage even though that part I can perfect.
I COULD PERFECT PARSEE SOONER THAN YOU.
THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY FUCKING SENSE
Eh, if she goes down on you then either move alot more than you normally would to a side or just bomb, 1 bomb is normally more than enough for her opener and you get alot of power in Parsee's stage to bring you up to max.
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Why is Patchouli on Lunatic so freaking overpowered? I mean even Remilia is easier and she is already hardcore as hell. Jeez, micrododging with no visible hitbox is so fun it hurts. ;_:A
Bomb every spell at her, then proceed to lose three more lives at Sakuya and her super-awesome-hitbox-knives and ultimately game over at Remilia and even more hitbox shenanigans. I swear this game... HERE UFO, YOU HAVE A FRIEND TO PLAY WITH!
What Patchouli? Because none of them top Remilia, and probably Sakuya too.
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UGH! I HAVE TO BEAT IMPERISHABLE NIGHT ON NORMAL AGAIN I DID IT LAST TIME WITH SIX SPARE LIVES COME ON
oh, I know, LET'S SET IT TO 90FPS
THAT FIXES EVERYTHING.
I did 120FPS with easy and succeeded. 90FPS Normal was doable as well.
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Well, yeah, but that's you, and not me, Esupanitix. You should remember this.
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God dammit Yamame.
I fucking hate you and your stage even though that part I can perfect.
I COULD PERFECT PARSEE SOONER THAN YOU.
THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY FUCKING SENSE
I perfected Parsee the very first time I played Stage 2 Lunatic in Practice.
I have about 25 tries on history for Cave Spider's Nest, and I still haven't perfected Yamame.
This coming from the person who refused anything less than a perfect stage 1 when trying for his MoF Lunatic 1cc?and his IN, and his LLS, and his PCB Stage 1 Lunatics as well, though they're quite a bit easier.
Just food for thought.
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I did 120FPS with easy and succeeded. 90FPS Normal was doable as well.
90 FPS normal, default start, 5 to spare.
150 FPS easy.
Your move :V (Note: go beat SA easy at 120 FPS)
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Well, yeah, but that's you, and not me, Esupanitix. You should remember this.
Except that 12 times out of 13, you're better than me at these games.
...I guess this is the one time that I'm better than you. :trollface:
90 FPS normal, default start, 5 to spare.
150 FPS easy.
Your move :V (Note: go beat SA easy at 120 FPS)
1. Dammit.
2. Challenge accepted.
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Attempt 1, make it to Spleen Eater
EDIT: FUCK IT I'VE RESTARTED STAGE ONE TWENTY TIMES AFTER MY FIRST ATTEMPT WENT THROUGH IT ONE TIME
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Dear body,
can you fucking stop getting nervous everytime I manage to be halfway good? I'd prefer to not mess up something I haven't managed before thousand times before I finally manage to do it. Especially when I die right before I achieved whatever it was that I wanted to achieve.
No? Fuck you. (Read, this was a close capture of VoWG)
<_< >_>
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I have no words.
Phantasmagoria of Flower View can just go and fellate a spiked mace or something.
Sure, the dodging has really improved my skills, and it's fun to play, but...
Dear LORD 1ccing Normal should not be impossible.
It goes something like this on a good attempt:
Perfect->Stage 6
SUDDENLY
Lily White gets summoned along with four consecutive spells just after I use mine and then it keeps going for four minutes.
When I get to the second round, of course, it's a doddle.
And Stage 8 seems easier than Stage 6 half the time D:
But then Shikieiki.
ASDF SHIKIEIKI
She uses her spell alongside two or three judge rod attacks and has Lily appear, then continues throwing the rods at me, and this has gone on for nearly eight minutes. On Normal.
Get out.
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"By skipping through the dialogue at the end of a boss fight it is possible to end the stage before the items and star piece are collected by the player." (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Undefined_Fantastic_Object/Gameplay#Bugs)
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Yeah, I do that all the time.
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Yeah, I do that all the time.
Ever think that's why you lose all the time?
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Ever think that's why you lose all the time?
How goes Subterranean Animism easy? 120 FPS of course.
Do you ever think, you know, ever, that I might not take very kindly at all to things like this from you? Huh?
I think he's just insecure and has found someone he views as 'better than him' that he has outperformed in some respect, and is milking it for all its worth because of this. Although compare any 2 people, you're likely to find 1 area where the "better" is outperformed by the "worse". [example: cactu is better at these games than me, but I've lasted farther into VoWG perfectly (41 seconds left vs. just over 60 left), and Esu cleared UFO hard with more left than I did (although it took him many more tries and I was a nervous wreck during the final spell due to having failed 3 times there before)] That still doesn't excuse actively criticizing people, as in Ever think that's why you lose all the time?
This is way out of line, pretty much regardless of context.
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Ever think that's why you lose all the time?
Why....
Do you ever think, you know, ever, that I might not take very kindly at all to things like this from you? Huh?
That's you, and not me, Esupanitix. You simply must remember this.
Now you're actively making me angry.
Hush. Please.
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Why....
Do you ever think, you know, ever, that I might not take very kindly at all to things like this from you? Huh?
Hush. Please.
Sorry, I didn't realize that any of it would come off as harsh. Some may have been stupid but half was just casual or pointless.
Again, sorry.
And when you said "Now you're actively making me angry" to me stating that I beat Byakuren with 3 lives 1 bomb left, I thought you meant jealousy, I.E. "I'm not taking particular offense at all but I can't believe you did that as a first 1cc". Never meant any harm.
Remember, my common sense is six light years behind me. :V
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Esu: lurk.
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Oh dear, this is going to be worth screaming about
Hey guys, remember that LET'S PLAY OF DOUBLE SPOILER that I keep trying to do?
Well I recorded it. No jumps or anything.
But get this
I FORGOT THE FUCKING COMMENTARY
Yelling.
MY 25 MINUTES OF SUFFERING AGAINST FALL OF GREAT STARS IS ABSOLUTE FUCKING MOOT. I CRIED AT THAT CARD. MANY TIMES. IT MADE MY PHOTO COUNT RISE FROM 88 TO 230-SOMETHING. I FORGOT TO RECORD THE FUCKING COMMENTARY, SO I HAVE NOTHING TO FUCKING SHOW FOR ALL OF THE FRUSTRATION I FUCKING WENT THROUGH. I FUCKING HATE IT.
FUCK YOU DOUBLE SPOILER, FUCK YOU FRAPS, I'M DONE. I'M FUCKING DONE. AFTER SITTING THERE FOR 25 MINUTES AND SHATTERING MY OWN BRAIN AGAINST ONE CARD I HAVE NO LEGITIMATE REASON TO SKIP IT BECAUSE I DECIDED TO BE A DUMBASS AND NOT RECORD COMMENTARY
Fuck you Great Stars for existing, fuck you Fraps for not detecting my damn microphone for no reason, fuck all of it. Falling Great Stars is a pile of luckshit and my argument stands there.
Esu: lurk.
Okay, okay.
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Fuck you Great Stars for existing,
Which one is Great Stars again? :V
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Which one is Great Stars again? :V
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk9JoNgBgqo
A spell that isn't even remotely difficult. Seriously Esu, you are doing it wrong and I am 100% positive that you have the skills to pull this off. Go watch the video and you'll understand.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk9JoNgBgqo
A spell that isn't even remotely difficult. Seriously Esu, you are doing it wrong and I am 100% positive that you have the skills to pull this off. Go watch the video and you'll understand.
Oh, that one.
This, I would argue, is Stage 8's easiest card.
Okay yeah, it is fairly easy. I take defensive shots when nukes start occupying large amounts of screen real estate, that's the only real bit of advice I can give beyond the obvious.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk9JoNgBgqo
A spell that isn't even remotely difficult. Seriously Esu, you are doing it wrong and I am 100% positive that you have the skills to pull this off. Go watch the video and you'll understand.
I've done it before. The only difference is I have no real reason to skip it now because nobody saw my failed recording. I can do Falling Stars, I've come close to capturing MANY times. I'm planning to just show a few shots of it and then move on, save another 23 minutes.
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Mother of fuck, just failed an IN Normal Perfect run by deathbombing to Stardust Reverie, so I can't even say it was a NoBombs run.
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You know Esupantix, wouldn't this process be made a whole lot easier if you, you know, saved the replay of your success run, and then recorded that? Maybe even add five minutes of live attempts in beforehand, if you're insistent on the rage thing?
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Or perhaps don't play a game that you obviously hate and don't have the patience for. :wat:
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Or perhaps don't play a game that you obviously hate and don't have the patience for. :wat:
Alright, I don't HATE the game, but I'll tell you that it's annoying to be able to do something in 88 shots and then 4 months later nearly triple the pre clear count in total photos.
You know Esupantix, wouldn't this process be made a whole lot easier if you, you know, saved the replay of your success run, and then recorded that? Maybe even add five minutes of live attempts in beforehand, if you're insistent on the rage thing?
I never had a success run, I ragequit and moved on.
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http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21861
Here, watch this. This was my first try at the scene in a couple months, and I even screwed up a few times in the attempt. What's important to know about this card is how to fail properly, so you can make your next shot a success.
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A spell that isn't even remotely difficult. Seriously Esu, you are doing it wrong and I am 100% positive that you have the skills to pull this off. Go watch the video and you'll understand.
See? Look!
Esupanitix, you get encouragement from other people! That means you're better than me.
Got to Reisen again on Lunatic mode, died again, do I even want to get to Eirin?
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Why not beat Eirin with continues so when you get past Reisen in a 1cc run you can fight the easier Kaguya? No use in handicapping yourself if you're just going for a first 1cc.
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*Playing Reimu B in EoSD*
*Reaches Patch with 4/4 lives and bombs*
*Finishes with 1/0*
Now I remember why I use Marisa A. Screw Princess Udaine.
But the stupid mistake is that I did derp on her 2nd nonspell and not move quite enough to evade the laser because I thought it stopped further away than it did. HNNGK. The life I lost before Stage 4 was also ploughing into Meling's 1st nonspell.
On the bright side, I almost captured Misdirection, which I previously had no clue how to do.
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Got to Reisen again on Lunatic mode, died again, do I even want to get to Eirin?
Yes, yo do. Because if you're 1ccing to Reisen then a 2cc should be simple enough for you to do, maaaaybe a 3cc if Eirin goes horribly wrong. Besides, 6B is, IMO, easier as a stage, and easier as a midboss.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk9JoNgBgqo
A spell that isn't even remotely difficult. Seriously Esu, you are doing it wrong and I am 100% positive that you have the skills to pull this off. Go watch the video and you'll understand.
Oh fuck you >~> I've done it before
Esupanitix, you get encouragement from other people! That means you're better than me.
Generally the ones that need less encouragement to get goals done are the better ones.
Seeing that our achievements are on par, you're better than me.
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Generally the ones that need less encouragement to get goals done are the better ones.
Nope. It involves time spent going for the goal, as well as how public the attempts are, etc. Additionally, is the encouragement needed? Or just given?
Seeing that our achievements are on par, you're better than me.
That means you're better than me.
How about neither of you are objectively better and both of you are better at certain types of things than the other.
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How about neither of you are objectively better and both of you are better at certain types of things than the other.
Seems fair enough. I have more experience with IN and he has more experience with scorerunning UFO and playing TD.
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>"Holy shit I'm going to perfect Hard Difficulty Sakuya"
>The World
>Killing Doll
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk9JoNgBgqo
A spell that isn't even remotely difficult. Seriously Esu, you are doing it wrong and I am 100% positive that you have the skills to pull this off. Go watch the video and you'll understand.
That's the strategy I was using. I just fucking suck at the card.
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That's the strategy I was using. I just fucking suck at the card.
Why, then? A nebulous "I suck at it" won't help us help you, if you say you know the winning strategy. My replay shows how you can keep up stalling at the card almost indefinitely, which gives you ample time to wait for a shutter chance.
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You need to know how to do those minor things like waiting until the last second to switch sides (makes the second sun spawn more to the side) that actually make a huge difference, methinks. Either you're doing it "right" or "not right enough".
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You need to know how to do those minor things like waiting until the last second to switch sides (makes the second sun spawn more to the side) that actually make a huge difference, methinks. Either you're doing it "right" or "not right enough".
Okay...maybe this (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21870) will solve that. Watch as I spend 80 seconds trading back and forth with mostly light dodging, waiting for the right opportunity to shoot after doing several maneuvers that weren't "right enough."
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H-ha ha ha...
H-hey guys...
Do you remember me ever saying that EoSD Stage 3 Lunatic was easy?
I perfected Rumia and Cirno, bombed one part of Stage 2 for power items and an early extra life.
I DIED THREE TIMES BEFORE I EVEN REACHED SELAGINELLA 9.
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I think its worth raging about myself physically unable to play touhou for about a good 2 weeks or more due to exams. I think I'm only capable of playing hard mode and tangental to lunatic :V
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bombed one part of Stage 2 for power items and an early extra life.
Why is it so common for people to do this? I've never heard of anyone bombing for power in any of the other games, but for some reason it's all the rage to bomb for power items in EoSD stage 2, and it's a total waste of a bomb.
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Why is it so common for people to do this? I've never heard of anyone bombing for power in any of the other games, but for some reason it's all the rage to bomb for power items in EoSD stage 2, and it's a total waste of a bomb.
Another reason I bomb the start of Stage 2 is bullets everywhere and it's a good excuse to go for score and get my extra life early.
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bullets everywhere... extra life early.
It's pure streaming. You can do it with your eyes closed. Getting the life earlier is arbitrary since you would have earned it later anyway, and I don't see the sense in throwing away a bomb in a survival run just for one instance of scoring which will make hardly any difference anyway, especially when you're not even certain that you'll clear the game in the first place.
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I get my first extra life during Stage 1 :getdown:
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I get my first extra life during Stage 1 :getdown:
Well unlike you I can't micrododge with Marisa at 90FPS without focusing to collect 72 power items by the end of Stage 1.
Oh and by the way I've resorted to sucking at Stage 2, clipping bullets two times in a row. These are the pre-Daiyousei bullshit fairies.
Fuck EoSD Lunatic, just fuck it. At least in UFO there aren't enemies BLENDING INTO THE FUCKING BACKGROUND LIKE MYSTIC SQUARE STAGE 5 KILLING ME WHEN I'M TRYING TO PoC SO THAT THE FACT THAT I JUST MISSED A FUCKTON OF POINT ITEMS DOESN'T SIT ON MY FUCKING CONSCIOUS FOR THE REST OF MY FUCKING RUN AND KILL ME WHILE I'M THINKING ABOUT THAT
Keep in mind I'm a heavily-suffering victim of OCD.
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In my defense, when I 1cced EoSD lunatic I didn't know those were streamed :V
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In my defense, fucking nothing because people die with bombs anyway so keeping from wasting a bomb won't change a thing.
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Wh... No-focus Marisa 90fps...?
Where did this come from.
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I confess, I usually bomb at the beginning of stage 2. Not really for power (because I usually bomb Cirno's opener anyway and you get full power after that for sure), but because Marisa A is at a disadvantage at the beginning. >_o Her range is so short the enemies can flank her if you try to stream them.
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>tries to time out Guze Flash
AAAAAAH MY EYEEEEES
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Wh... No-focus Marisa 90fps...?
Where did this come from.
I'm saying that EoSD Lunatic Stage 1 is the worst Stage 1 for me because I feel the compulsive need to collect power items, wasting the time that could go into a full run just trying to collect items to shorten the time it takes to clear enemies and bosses before they make me lose lives. Perhaps I used a bad phrase, let me rephrase it.
I don't farm point items in a place with annoying bullets so dense that quasars tremble in fear of them.
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I bomb the stage 2 start too, why would you care if daiyousei gives you a bomb right after that. (and having max power is always nice)
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Why is it so common for people to do this? I've never heard of anyone bombing for power in any of the other games, but for some reason it's all the rage to bomb for power items in EoSD stage 2, and it's a total waste of a bomb.
Probably because it's written down as strategic advice on Touhou Wiki, as questionable as it is; it's hard to get hit there. If you do it right, you won't miss out on too many Power Items either. As long as you get into Full Power before Cirno, everything's fine anyway.
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Lost that last extend right after getting it from Sakuya. God damn it! (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21879)
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It doesn't just give you the points from the point items during the bomb. The increased power also allows you to start auto-collecting earlier, possibly right after Daiyousei (depending on how many power items you collected in stage 1).
I don't know why I do it. I just like scoring. Though I don't think I bomb for score in a survival run of any other game (except MoF/SA if I know I'll get the power back later)...
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omg Meiling can you please just stop
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omg Meiling can you please just stop
More specific please? "omg Meiling can you please just stop" isn't going to get anyone to help your dilemma of losing however many lives to Meiling.
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lol
On topic. I -used- to bomb Stage 2 until I realized how stupid it is. You get max power before Cirno 8 out of 9 tries anyway, and even if you don't it's no big deal. ...And how can the fairies flank you?
Also, pre-midboss bullshit fairies? Really? It is probably easier to collect power while dodging in the first half of Stage 2 than in Stage 1. I'm pretty sure I have never died there ever and I die on Stage 1 often enough.
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Yeah, I also don't understand why anyone would bomb the start of EoSD Stage 2 outside of scoring. It's all streaming, and getting to Full Power before Cirno is very doable without bombing (though MarisaA has a bit more trouble).
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Yeah, I also don't understand why anyone would bomb the start of EoSD Stage 2 outside of scoring. It's all streaming, and getting to Full Power before Cirno is very doable without bombing (though MarisaA has a bit more trouble).
>Very doable
>Lucky if I make it with 110 or more power without bombing
dafuq?
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If you're having that much trouble collecting Power, there must be something you're not doing right. What are your Power totals before and after Rumia, and how much do you typically collect in the sections after Daiyousei (not total Power, just in those sections)?
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You're probably not being aggressive enough. Are you playing as Reimu or Marisa?
By the by, apparently [ReimuA] Patchouli's first card can wall you when you're in a corner. I mean, like, block you in completely. That's not nice. :(
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You're probably not being aggressive enough. Are you playing as Reimu or Marisa?
I tend to switch around because both have qualities that make one better over the other (Reimu has a small hitbox and Marisa has fast movement).
What are your Power totals before and after Rumia, and how much do you typically collect in the sections after Daiyousei (not total Power, just in those sections)?
At most on Lunatic, I make it to Rumia with 58 power if I'm lucky. Generally it's low 50 or high 40. When it comes to how much after Daiyousei, I don't know, it depends on if I'm cautious or if I'm feeling reckless, ranging from 18 to 30 or so.
Let me remind you that I'm not good at collecting power items at the start if I don't bomb for power items. In fact, why does that one little tidbit matter, the "I bomb one section of stage 2 to garner power and point items" thing? I just hate that section because when I'm trying to collect power items, the last thing that I want to have to do is stream bullets from three bicardinal directions.
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Really Esu, just bomb that section if you are having trouble collecting power items. I don't think I've ever played a round of EoSD without doing that simply because that's just how I've always done it and because I could make do without that bomb anyway.
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http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21884
Since when did the prelasers hurt you?
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Well Esu, given that you're (I'm assuming) going for a first clear, and given just how dangerous some attacks in this game are (read: all three bosses in the second half), I would argue that the bomb would be better served getting you through one of those tough attacks. As helpful as it is having Full Power for Cirno, it's nowhere near necessary - you'll reach Full Power soon enough anyway. On the flip side, having plenty of bombs going into Remilia (or whichever boss gives you the most fits) could be the difference that nets you the 1cc. That's the way I tend to approach survival runs, at least.
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I tend to switch around because both have qualities that make one better over the other (Reimu has a small hitbox and Marisa has fast movement).
Don't their hitboxes have the same size in EoSD?
It's not necessary to bomb in the beginning of stage 2 but if you're used to doing something (especially for score) it's kinda hard to resist doing that. I also like mixing in scoring as well as attempting to clear it, like I've done in my first UFO Normal 1CC
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Don't their hitboxes have the same size in EoSD?
It's not necessary to bomb in the beginning of stage 2 but if you're used to doing something (especially for score) it's kinda hard to resist doing that. I also like mixing in scoring as well as attempting to clear it, like I've done in my first UFO Normal 1CC
Yeah, their hitboxes are the same, it only changes from PCB onwards.
I'd rather choose shottype based on the Patchouli boss-fight and how good I am with shot+bomb.
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Damnit, why are all the timeouts I want to try so bloody annoying.
Let's see...I can go for Full Moon Pompokolin, my most recent one, in which I suffer through a piss-easy pattern that lasts a minute and a half just to get to the stuff that's actually half decent, at which point I usually wind up stupidly dying in the first 5 seconds.
Or I can go for Mountain of Faith -Easy-, consisting of me playing through a long and incredibly boring stage just to get to the spellcard (remind me again why Spell Practice isn't in every Touhou game?)
Or I can go for Descent of Izuna Gongen if I want BOTH OF THE ABOVE.
Could someone make a program that allows for savestates in Touhou, PLEASE? You could put a marker on the screen that says "Savestate last loaded [time] ago" or something to ensure legitimacy, even. Touhou is supposed to be a cure for boredom, not a cause of it.
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Well, for Mountain of Faith, you could always
use cheat engine to bomb through the stage at 500fps, but you didn't hear that from me.
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Fuck your shit, keyboard, killing me three times in the span of two minutes isn't cool, so I'm tossing you out.
If you weren't attached to the screen.
*attaches external keyboard
See, look, no ghosting/registering issues AT ALL. Suck on it!
game lags to 48FPS
WHY MUST YOU RUIN MY DAY COMPUTER, I HATE YOU.
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Fuck your shit, keyboard, killing me three times in the span of two minutes isn't cool, so I'm tossing you out.
If you weren't attached to the screen.
*attaches external keyboard
See, look, no ghosting/registering issues AT ALL. Suck on it!
game lags to 48FPS
WHY MUST YOU RUIN MY DAY COMPUTER, I HATE YOU.
I'm sorry, I don't mean to be cruel, but I'm kinda laughing about how one problem led to another.
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Could someone make a program that allows for savestates in Touhou, PLEASE? You could put a marker on the screen that says "Savestate last loaded [time] ago" or something to ensure legitimacy, even. Touhou is supposed to be a cure for boredom, not a cause of it.
If OS = XP then Hourglass else make it yourself
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Could someone make a program that allows for savestates in Touhou, PLEASE? You could put a marker on the screen that says "Savestate last loaded [time] ago" or something to ensure legitimacy, even. Touhou is supposed to be a cure for boredom, not a cause of it.
Hourglass! (http://code.google.com/p/hourglass-win32/)
If you're worried about legitimacy, thing leaves a fairly obvious date mark on the replay. There's no way to prove that savestates weren't used during the spellcard but fuck it, timeouts are kind of a personal challenge anyway, cheating such a thing only really cheats yourself.
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They say that Hourglass works best on XP. Do you know anything about how it runs on Vista/7?
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They say that Hourglass works best on XP. Do you know anything about how it runs on Vista/7?
Not a clue since I'm running XP myself, sorry.
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I hate EoSD Reimu A
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I hate EoSD Reimu A
Is that so? It's the only shottype I use that works well in almost all situations, although some spells take millions of years to kill. Maybe it's a remnant from the first times I played Touhou(it was EoSD, too) but I'm nearing (?) the lunatic clear with it. However, the highest score I have ever done on Normal( almost 200 mil.) is with laser Marisa so
who knows.... ???
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Nah, ReimuA is best. Can't hate best Patchouli.
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Nah, ReimuA is best. Can't hate best Patchouli.
Just went and did a run with ReimuB at normal. And WHAT THE FUCK Princess Undine !?!?! Sylphae Horn is harder than Blazing Forest Lunatic is! But maybe it was the high rank, since I perfected the rest three stages. Oh well, I'll just stick with my ReimuA :V
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Fuck you Sylphae Horn, fuck you Water Elf, fuck you Shining Agni (I think that's what it is).
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I thought I was going to clear UFO Normal without focusing or spawning UFOs. TOUGH FUCKING SHIT, MY MOTHER DECIDED TO TRY TO TALK TO ME AND THOUGHT IT OFFENDING THAT I STOPPED PLAYING SO THAT I COULD GIVE HER, THE ABSOLUTE SPAWN OF LUCIFER HIMSELF, MY UNDIVIDED ATTENTION.
Guess how many lives I lost. TWO. AND I DIED IN THE STAGE PORTION OF STAGE 6.
She thinks that nothing I do as far as this game is a legitimate goal just because it's a video game. That's a stupid philosophy.
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That's a stupid philosophy.
You might even say it's the?
*shades*
?philosophy of a hated person.
I'm sorry, I'll excuse myself now.
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>die only once over the course of an entire TD Lunatic run up until Miko
>die three times at Miko
Bluh. :( At least I still managed the 1cc with three lives left.
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You might even say it's the?
*shades*
?philosophy of a hated person.
I'm sorry, I'll excuse myself now.
That's the ironic part. I like the joke, but here's the irony: I am the only one that hates her. Everyone else I see seems to absolutely love her, like she's the absolute best human being on the planet. She's one of the most annoying, I can say that.
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Ah, what the hell.
Orin's ridiculously difficult, and even if I can get past her with more than enough resources, I still can't beat Okuu for the life of me on a single continue so that I can AT LEAST practice her freaking fight. And, spamming continues is out of the question. I've tried that, but only 3 lives for stage 6 AND Okuu combined? Ha. That's just not enough to get through everything. Well, with my lame skill, anyway, it isn't enough.
I've never reached her last spell card before.. but, this time, I almost got through 'Hell and Heaven Meltdown' on my first try (even though I panicked xD), so maybe I can do this.
I still want to scream my head off that I couldn't get my 1CC this time around (it was my best run yet - 7 lives for Orin :O) but, hopefully with more practice.. ?
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I almost got a perfect MoF stage 3 run, and then I die to Cephalic Plate.
Oh well, I've almost got it.
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Ah, what the hell.
Orin's ridiculously difficult, and even if I can get past her with more than enough resources, I still can't beat Okuu for the life of me on a single continue so that I can AT LEAST practice her freaking fight. And, spamming continues is out of the question. I've tried that, but only 3 lives for stage 6 AND Okuu combined? Ha. That's just not enough to get through everything. Well, with my lame skill, anyway, it isn't enough.
I've never reached her last spell card before.. but, this time, I almost got through 'Hell and Heaven Meltdown' on my first try (even though I panicked xD), so maybe I can do this.
Well, it's actually quite possible to beat stage 6 and Okuu with 3 lives and max power.
Which difficulty is this on and which Shottype are you using?
I still want to scream my head off that I couldn't get my 1CC this time around (it was my best run yet - 7 lives for Orin :O) but, hopefully with more practice.. ?
If you can reach Orin with 7 lives then you're doing really good, if you bomb most of her hard things you should come out with at most 2 lives lost, don't forget about the Safespot for her first non-spell if you're going for survival.
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Well, it's actually quite possible to beat stage 6 and Okuu with 3 lives and max power.
Which difficulty is this on and which Shottype are you using?
If you can reach Orin with 7 lives then you're doing really good, if you bomb most of her hard things you should come out with at most 2 lives lost, don't forget about the Safespot for her first non-spell if you're going for survival.
I play on Normal difficulty, and I'm using ReimuB.
I think my main problem is that I just don't bomb enough, really. I'm gonna re-attempt the game now in a few minutes, I suppose I'll either be returning to post something new here when I fail, or maybe I can actually achieve my 1CC. Let's see what happens, shall we?
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I play on Normal difficulty, and I'm using ReimuB.
I think my main problem is that I just don't bomb enough, really. I'm gonna re-attempt the game now in a few minutes, I suppose I'll either be returning to post something new here when I fail, or maybe I can actually achieve my 1CC. Let's see what happens, shall we?
Have you tried ReimuA? The higher power level and ability to gap through the wall makes bosses and Stage 6 much easier, respectively.
2 lives is definitely enough going into Stage 6-I had 2 lives even and 1 power going into Stage 6 when I cleared lunatic.
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Have you tried ReimuA? The higher power level and ability to gap through the wall makes bosses and Stage 6 much easier, respectively.
2 lives is definitely enough going into Stage 6-I had 2 lives even and 1 power going into Stage 6 when I cleared lunatic.
I've tried playing as ReimuA, and I agree that her ability makes boss' easier and such, but I play as ReimuB so that I can get as much resources as possible, regardless of the situation, as I need them :V
Only 2 lives and 1 power for Stage 6 and onwards? On Lunatic? And you still cleared the game?
Holy crap.
Uh, yeah, you keep being epic at the game, and I'll just keep doing whatever I'm doing, and not being that good at Touhou o3o
I did actually beat the game after, a few minutes ago. It wasn't too spectacular of a run at all, but, anyway, at least I made it (Okuu's last card ended up making me panic like a total idiot, haha). I somehow managed :V
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SA is one of the games where the best shot type is most clearly better than the rest (and considering the nature of Touhou games, that's saying something). Really, just use ReimuA, or at least ReimuC for the bomb. ReimuB has nothing going for her, especially on Normal mode. On Lunatic her bomb can reflect enough bullets to do decent damage, but on Normal there aren't enough bullets. She's weak in every way you can think of, which is probably why you couldn't get through with continues. Three lives, plus the fourth you'll get from star pieces, is enough to beat Okuu without dodging a single thing as ReimuA. You can literally bomb everything.
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FFUUUUU-i think i'm just gonna go to bed
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I've tried playing as ReimuA, and I agree that her ability makes boss' easier and such, but I play as ReimuB so that I can get as much resources as possible, regardless of the situation, as I need them :V
Only 2 lives and 1 power for Stage 6 and onwards? On Lunatic? And you still cleared the game?
Holy crap.
Uh, yeah, you keep being epic at the game, and I'll just keep doing whatever I'm doing, and not being that good at Touhou o3o
I did actually beat the game after, a few minutes ago. It wasn't too spectacular of a run at all, but, anyway, at least I made it (Okuu's last card ended up making me panic like a total idiot, haha). I somehow managed :V
This doesn't make any sense-nowhere is it hard to get the life pieces. Power can be a little tricky but in that case just graze some streamed bullets.
I'd never seen lunatic from after the Stage 2 midboss before either-I won by dodging things at 0 power and rarely dying with bombs in stock. Do remember, that's what I had after Orin-Stage 6 gives enough power to reach full by the end of the stage, and it gives you another life as well.
Congrats-I remember my first SA normal 1cc. Sounds pretty similar to mine lol (all of my SA clears I'd never seen Utsuho on that difficulty before I just realized)
FFUUUUU-i think i'm just gonna go to bed
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I attached a replay, but for people who don't want to see it firsthand, reaching Invisible Full Moon for the first time with 0/0 and dying with a pixel of HP remaining.
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Invisible Full Moon
dying
Wow, that sucks. I'd rage about that in any circumstance.
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It is unbearable to what quality your ~skill~ sinks to when you're under pressure.
I had to waste a bomb on Byakuren's opener.
I double ko'd Makai Butterfly.
I died at the stage portion.
I died to Murasa's first nonspell.
I died on Stage 4 midboss Nue. (ruined the run, yup)
I don't care if UFO is meant to let you derp once or twice and clear anyway. I don't derp once or twice. I derp a lot more than that.
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All right, let's try IN Lunatic again. This time, take 7, according to my history on Mystia's midboss card.
I got to Eirin for the first time!
I died to a card that I captured immediately afterward in Spellcard Practice! In twelve or so seconds, no less! Yay!
Also attached is effectively my little sister's first run at IN Easy. Please come up with advice or something, because she deliberately foregoes using bombs and/or focus "to look good."
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Also attached is effectively my little sister's first run at IN Easy. Please come up with advice or something, because she deliberately foregoes using bombs and/or focus "to look good."
This is exactly what one of my friends did-eventually we convinced her to use focus but we couldn't get her to bomb :ohdear:
She eventually cleared, reaching Kaguya with 4 lives, when a failed attempt reached Kaguya with 8 (starting from max-when she found out she was mad and viewed it as cheating -_-)
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She eventually cleared, reaching Kaguya with 4 lives, when a failed attempt reached Kaguya with 8 (starting from max-when she found out she was mad and viewed it as cheating -_-)
When will people get that it's not cheating to use extra lives?! God dammit!
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So... what? Tell her to start with more lives?
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When will people get that it's not cheating to use extra lives?! God dammit!
Seriously, you shouldn't be using extra lives ever. No, it's not really a cheat but people will think less of your accomplishments if you needed extra lives to get them. This is especially true in a game like Touhou where you get a lot of lives to begin with.
Furthermore, playing with extra lives hinders your learning of resource management and that is a very necessary skill to have.
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people will think less of your accomplishments if you needed extra lives to get them
I disagree with this. A new player clearing IN easy with max lives will have a greater sense of accomplishment than a veteran clearing IN lunatic again with default (assuming the run is just an average run). Accomplishments are relative as well.
This is especially true in a game like Touhou where you get a lot of lives to begin with.
Not everyone is a god-tier player you know. Some people need those extra lives because they don't get all of them (she had at least one run where she didn't get 800 point items AND dropped Keine's 1up...)
Furthermore, playing with extra lives hinders your learning of resource management and that is a very necessary skill to have.
She never bombed, unless she thought she was going to die, which was very rarely, unless she deathbombed. Telling her to bomb patterns that she died to every time resulted in "but that's not playing the game". In this example, moot point.
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I disagree with this. A new player clearing IN easy with max lives will have a greater sense of accomplishment than a veteran clearing IN lunatic again with default (assuming the run is just an average run). Accomplishments are relative as well.
But obviously this new player will have a greater sense of accomplishment for clearing IN easy with default lives than clearing IN easy with max lives. To disagree with Zengeku you would have to think that extra lives doesn't make the game easier, which obviously doesn't make sense.
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This is the Touhou world's abortion debate. Everyone has a strong opinion and trying to debate only makes people rage. I guess this is the thread for it.
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To disagree with Zengeku you would have to think that extra lives doesn't make the game easier, which obviously doesn't make sense.
I never said that.
I disagree with the following lines:
Seriously, you shouldn't be using extra lives ever...people will think less of your accomplishments if you needed extra lives to get them.
There are legitimate reasons for using the extra lives: practice being one of them.
The other part is a blanket statement that people will think less of what you did juts because of a setting wasn't on default. I personally see it as an equal clear, especially if the lives turned out to not be necessary. Just because you don't doesn't mean everyone else doesn't.
This is the Touhou world's abortion debate. Everyone has a strong opinion and trying to debate only makes people rage. I guess this is the thread for it.
Which is why I tried making a quick comment back but noooo someone else had to misrep me.
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I don't have a problem with people using extra lives. I'm just saying that instead of using extra lives, people should practice and get better so that they won't need the extra lives. My experience has told me that having less resources means that you grow to be better at managing your resources simply because you have to.
If people wants to use extra lives to clear then fine. It doesn't hurt me, I'm just advising people on how to improve themselves as danmaku players.
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Using extra lives means you can't submit your scores. :( :( :(
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I was close to perfecting stage 3 Lunatic in TD until Miyako's curvy lasers clip-death'd me. I hate that shit, it's really a hit-and-miss situation.
Curvy lasers are a sin and cause nothing but trouble. :/
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Curvy lasers are a sin and cause nothing but trouble. :/
Seiga Kaku dislikes this post.
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Seiga Kaku dislikes this post.
So does Shou Toramaru. :D
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"Oh, I haven't tried to seriously 1CC TD Lunatic in a while. Let's see how I do."
> First time getting to Futo
> Captures Iwafune Ascending to Heaven
> Loses only spare life to nonspell directly after
"What" doesn't even begin to describe it.
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Second nonspell always gets me, if it had a history I'd probably be 1/~30. Now you know better. <_<
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Second nonspell always gets me, if it had a history I'd probably be 1/~30. Now you know better. <_<
Just practiced stage 5 lunatic: 1 bomb stage part, 4D1B Futo :V
I got 2nd nonspell, 2nd spell and last spell (and 3rd spell except trance)
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Okay let's go back to playing UFO after my cooldown time
>Starts UFO Normal with SanaeB
>Gets to stage 2
>Dies twice to last spell
FUCK THIS
*Alt+F4 Alt+F4 Alt+F4 Alt+F4
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Seriously, you shouldn't be using extra lives ever. No, it's not really a cheat but people will think less of your accomplishments if you needed extra lives to get them. This is especially true in a game like Touhou where you get a lot of lives to begin with.
Furthermore, playing with extra lives hinders your learning of resource management and that is a very necessary skill to have.
It's blanket statements like this that really rub me the wrong way. It all depends on the replay - how many deaths did the person have for the whole game? Maybe they didn't need those extra lives, but feel more confident knowing they're there. Who is anyone else to say your accomplishments are "less" if you start with extra lives, if the total deaths after a 1cc - factoring in extends - is more or less the same?
In addition, the whole "holds back learning resource management" argument is a rhetoric club used to hammer on other players about virtually anything - using safe spots, bombing "too much", and so forth. It's a facile dismissal of actual accomplishments.
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I've been trying to perfect PCB Stage 3 too much, I'm off my game. I actually died more than once to Spring Kyoto Dolls.
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Yeah, more on topic:
Opened Great Fairy Wars again today and decided to go for it. And I find myself doing remarkably well in A1! I'm dodging bullshit that used to kill me, like the gaps between bullets widened by several times over, the enemies seem slower, my reflexes are better. Everything is trucking along pretty nicely ... when suddenly I'm up against the three fairies. Things are getting pretty hairy, but I'm like "it's alright, I can do this, no worries". Only it's not alright. I keep dying, and dying, and dying and thinking "holy crap how long does this fight last anyway?"
In the end, I run out of lives. After saving the replay, I decide to take the continue anyway, just for a laugh ... and find that I was literally like, three seconds from victory.
>:(
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In addition, the whole "holds back learning resource management" argument is a rhetoric club used to hammer on other players about virtually anything - using safe spots, bombing "too much", and so forth. It's a facile dismissal of actual accomplishments.
I'm honestly just trying to help people by telling them what has worked for me and gotten me where I am. Same thing with the other things you mention. I am not trying to insult people or dismiss their accomplishments but I guess I'll just stop doing that then if that's how people view it.
(Unless of course their name is Esupanitix since he kinda swore obedience and loyality in exchange for getting trained in the way of the bullets ;))
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I do not want to have the mental state of Flandre. UFO, please stop murdering me when I'm trying to learn the final card of Lunatic Stage 1. I did it my first try and now I can't do it anymore and I want to punch you.
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I do not want to have the mental state of Flandre. UFO, please stop murdering me when I'm trying to learn the final card of Lunatic Stage 1. I did it my first try and now I can't do it anymore and I want to punch you.
I guess you could say that Pendulum Guard is a?
*shades*
?maze of love.
Wait, that one doesn't even make sense?
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I guess you could say that Pendulum Guard is a?
*shades*
?maze of love.
Wait, that one doesn't even make sense?
Fucking hell that was funny. A worldwide punomenon, (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AWorldwidePunomenon) at that.
The best part is that it practically IS a Maze of Love. Only marginally less readable.
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Fucking hell that was funny. A worldwide punomenon, (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AWorldwidePunomenon) at that.
Of course it was, just ask?
*shades*
?the eight million laughing gods.
Do fangames count? They should.
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Of course it was, just ask?
*shades*
?the eight million laughing gods.
You're clever. Keep your funny away from the government, they might deem that you're too funny and kill you.
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You're clever. Keep your funny away from the government, they might deem that you're too funny and kill you.
I hope not, otherwise they'll have me in?
*shades*
?shackles a criminal can't remove.
>_> <_<
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I'm honestly just trying to help people by telling them what has worked for me and gotten me where I am. Same thing with the other things you mention. I am not trying to insult people or dismiss their accomplishments but I guess I'll just stop doing that then if that's how people view it.
Well, I think the thing to have in mind is context. Like, if someone posts a replay using safe spots, extra lives or bomb spamming and asks, "OK, how can I do better?", you need to look at the replay and ask yourself if any of these things are actually holding them back, or if there's another reason why they're screwing up. Sort of duct-taping on your own pet peeves about extra lives or whatever if it isn't actually the problem with the run just seems unnecessary.
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I hope not, otherwise they'll have me in?
*shades*
?shackles a criminal can't remove.
>_> <_<
You're trying much too hard now.
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You're trying much too hard now.
?I got nothing.
Back on topic, Mystia's second nonspell is far too annoying for a stage 2 boss. I don't think I've ever captured it on lunatic, which is kind of awkward if you're going for a perfect stage.
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You're trying much too hard now.
Well, no one said making puns was easy. You'd have to be a lunatic to think that.
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Well, no one said making puns was easy. You'd have to be a lunatic to think that.
To say such things is Misdirection. With correct use of language, you can cause a Perfect Freeze in people as they stare at a Four-of-a-kind pun.
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To say such things is Misdirection. With correct use of language, you can cause a Perfect Freeze in people as they stare at a Four-of-a-kind pun.
Just be careful with that perfect freeze, its lingering cold may cause an unexplained fever.
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Chiming in to say that everything Zengeku said was spot-on.
It's annoying to see someone jumped on for giving constructive criticism.
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It's annoying to see someone jumped on for giving constructive criticism.
It's equally annoying when someone calls constructive disagreement being "jumped on", but to each their own, I guess.
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If you're referring to your first post, then that was not constructive disagreement.
His statement is true regardless of context. To your point: you have to get used to playing under pressure. It's a fine accomplishment if you do it without needing the extra lives, sure. Now do it without them.
But that was more-or-less ok. The stinger was you throwing him under the bus because other people have made poor/rude/whatever arguments. The dismissal, as you called it, was done by you.
If you're going to object, at least be courteous about it.
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Dear computer,
Please just go thirty minutes without lagging. I was not happy when I was right about to clear a certain card I hate on DS in my Let's Play and you suddenly decided to freeze while I was taking the picture and I had to restart you.
You were the greatest fucking computer on the planet when I got you, what the fuck happened? Yes, you're a year old as of today but you're still awesome. Now, if DS didn't disable Windows Aero and I DIDN'T shut off Firefox, it would be hell to try to record at 60FPS. Do you want to go through that? No, you want it easy. THEN MAKE IT EASY. I SHUT OFF EVERYTHING. YOUR STATS ARE GREAT. WHY DOES DS HATE YOU WHEN FRAPS, A PROGRAM THAT DOESN'T AFFECT PERFORMANCE THAT MUCH, IS RUNNING? WHY ONLY THEN?
I just want to get a damn update in and make it good.
Fuck you computer,
Sincerely, truly, superficially-given hugs and kisses, thoughtfully, not really too lovingly, pleadingly, somewhat spitefully, maybe not too spitefully but still so,
Esupanitix.
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Chiming in to say that everything Zengeku said was spot-on.
So a subjective statement presented as fact is spot-on?
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Please come up with advice or something, because she deliberately foregoes using bombs and/or focus "to look good."
She shouldn't be shooting either, or moving vertically, since everyone knows that using the controls is for noobs and you totally look like you know what you're doing when you're playing on Easy without using them and are not, in fact, simply unaware of the functionality of certain buttons. I guess the real advice would be "Impairing your ability to play doesn't make you 'look good.' You just look ridiculous."
On a more serious note, you probably shouldn't use extra lives if you don't absolutely need them. I won't say I'm vehemently against it, but it kind of seems like giving up/taking the easy way out. Like, if you can't beat the game normally, you should look for what you can improve and all that. Using more lives is like saying "okay, just let me win now." But yeah, if you're a normal person and just playing casually, I can't really say anything bad about it. A lot of people are really gung-ho about the games though and trying to get good at them, and in that case, you shouldn't really use them.
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It's blanket statements like this that really rub me the wrong way. It all depends on the replay - how many deaths did the person have for the whole game? Maybe they didn't need those extra lives, but feel more confident knowing they're there. Who is anyone else to say your accomplishments are "less" if you start with extra lives, if the total deaths after a 1cc - factoring in extends - is more or less the same?
In addition, the whole "holds back learning resource management" argument is a rhetoric club used to hammer on other players about virtually anything - using safe spots, bombing "too much", and so forth. It's a facile dismissal of actual accomplishments.
Regarding this topic, it is well known that, in the interests of fairness for competition, any runs with settings used other than full defaults are considered illegitimate. This is the rule for all STGs, pretty much without exception, and provides a standardization for people to compare their accomplishments with. Of course, the difficulty of something is not necessarily determined by your starting conditions alone, but there are plenty of possible effects or benefits, either directly (by saving you from a game over, additional points at the end of the game or individual stages, etc) or indirectly (saving you from panicking at low resources). This isn't to say you can't get accomplishments or have fun with non-default starting conditions, of course - obviously, you can do whatever you like. As you can see though, there are clear reasons why they aren't held up as high as things done with the defaults - Zengeku does know what he's talking about here. To this end, neither 1CCs nor scoring runs are not considered authentic unless performed with the default settings.
As an aside, a quick watch through a world-record level replay of EoSD's Extra stage should dispel any illusions about safespots or bombing being a crutch to stop you thinking about resource management. :V
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Please come up with advice or something, because she deliberately foregoes using bombs and/or focus "to look good."
Go her, then? It's not recommended when starting out, but if that's how she wants to play, then more power to her.
To give my two cents on the issue, I think it's wise to stay on default lives. Putting aside the whole issue of whether or not max lives is less of an accomplishment, you will run into a nasty surprise when you play from MoF-on and find the option has been taken away from you. I always thought the option was more of a courtesy than anything.
Zengeku does know what he's talking about here. To this end, neither 1CCs nor scoring runs are not considered authentic unless performed with the default settings.
Doesn't the game cripple your score when you use max lives anyway? Or is that just difficulty?
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I think Touhou does actually, at least for the earlier games before ZUN removed the extra life settings. I was talking about lives more in a general STG sense - most arcade games don't include such an obvious 'stop doing this' penalty. :V
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In addition, the whole "holds back learning resource management" argument is a rhetoric club used to hammer on other players about virtually anything - using safe spots, bombing "too much", and so forth. It's a facile dismissal of actual accomplishments.
I think it's also a matter of perspective. I'm not going to toot my own horn here as formerly a forefront Lunatic PC-98 player, but I know that there have been some really amazing accomplishments done by people in our community, Baity's held a world record, so has .asp and T, and I don't think there has been much applause for accomplishments of such calibre compared to people celebrating their own PERSONAL achievements (I should also mention when Jaimers and Zil 1cc'd PoDD Lunatic - well known for being balls hard to 1cc - and pretty much were glossed over). While there's nothing wrong with celebrating personal achievements, I find it really shallow that there's dissent over this issue at all. Utilizing extra lives is a fine form of practice, but that's basically all it is - practice. It should serve as a stepping stone to improve one's skills further so they don't NEED the extra lives. Sorry, I don't wish to diminish the accomplishments of those who utilize extra lives, but I want to say that people should at least respect where people like Zengeku and KB are coming from. Touhou as it is is very generous with resources compared to other danmaku and bullet hell games. You don't get a breadth of resources in Arcade bullet hell games like you do in Touhou. People have also mentioned that for all intents and purposes altered settings such as extra lives are also illegitimate for score runs and such, so I won't elaborate about that too much.
So a subjective statement presented as fact is spot-on?
In the context of score run legitimacy it basically is fact, though.
That's what's really hard to discuss and come to a consensus on when discussing these sorts of issues - different players have different backgrounds. There are people who play the games at a really high level, and there are those who simply play it for fun, there are those who are in between (wrt score-running), etc. It's really hard to come to a resolution on this particular string of thought because there will be people who will say that "extra lives is cheating for x and y reasons" and then people will jump on them for "m and n reason" and then it ends up becoming a really dumb "debate" (or a discussion gone wrong) that goes nowhere.
Doesn't the game cripple your score when you use max lives anyway? Or is that just difficulty?
I asked Baitums about it:
10:53:59 (KyoukochanKyouKyou) general rule is that the end score gets multiplied by a decimal
10:54:12 (KyoukochanKyouKyou) <1.0
10:54:37 (KyoukochanKyouKyou) but then you factor in end-score and... i'm not really sure
10:55:40 (KyoukochanKyouKyou) (oh, and you don't get a score multiplier if you lower it below the default)
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oops i should clarify
i used end score and end-score without thinking it through (i blame sickness, been sick all week)
end score is me referring to end of (stage) score
end-score is me referring to end of (game) score [all clear]
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In the context of score run legitimacy it basically is fact, though.
Yes, that's fine, but for just playing to have fun there's no problem with it. I never mentioned scoreruns either. (Besides, as you mentioned, it does lower your score, so they aren't helpful anyways)
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Yes, that's fine, but for just playing to have fun there's no problem with it. I never mentioned scoreruns either. (Besides, as you mentioned, it does lower your score, so they aren't helpful anyways)
I think you've skirted the issue I've been trying to bring out.
Background is a huge deal. People are stating their disagreements because of the background as a player of the genre. People are going to express some form of bitterness, external or internal, if they see people posting 1/200 spell-card videos/achievements and they get more recognition than their own WR titles or superplays. Personal achievements are all nice and dandy but there WILL be people trying to defend the use of default settings precisely because we have here a subconscious dismissal going on here.
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Yes, that's fine, but for just playing to have fun there's no problem with it. I never mentioned scoreruns either. (Besides, as you mentioned, it does lower your score, so they aren't helpful anyways)
It's not fun to make the game easy for yourself. The game was intended to have fun.
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Uhh, background?
Little girl, age 8, total play count of all Touhou games under 30, not of Japanese/Korean/other Asian country with stereotype of amazing video gamers.
I do not recall how far she got. Reisen, I think. Default resource settings, as well. She doesn't change it because 3 is standard post-MoF and her progresses in those games are only to Aya, Parsee, Stage 2 (Poor girl can't make good on the UFO system, too score-minded), and Yoshika.
She'd get much farther than Yoshika, if she were to get more than one extend at that point. (What is it with TD and lumping all your extends in the latter half anyway?)
For PCB, she can almost get to the Prismriver Sisters, and she doesn't play EoSD out of preference.
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About using higher-than-default lives settings reducing your score... is that always true? Yes, I know it reduces the stage clear bonuses, but is it possible that in LLS or EoSD, where the optimal scoring strategies involve sacrificing most/all your lives for bombs, the extra points from one or two more lives' worth of bombs might allow a potentially higher score despite the reduced clear bonuses? (Not that it matters too much since it disqualifies your score, but it'd be interesting to know...)
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About using higher-than-default lives settings reducing your score... is that always true? Yes, I know it reduces the stage clear bonuses, but is it possible that in LLS or EoSD, where the optimal scoring strategies involve sacrificing most/all your lives for bombs, the extra points from one or two more lives' worth of bombs might allow a potentially higher score despite the reduced clear bonuses? (Not that it matters too much since it disqualifies your score, but it'd be interesting to know...)
You're kind of throwing out the equality clause out the window with that theory, though. Score runs are still illegitimate on non-default settings.
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It's not fun to make the game easy for yourself. The game was intended to have fun.
(in the same vein)
The game was intended to have fun. It's less fun to repeatedly die due to inconsistency.
Background is a huge deal.
and I remember needing those lives to clear IN easy the first time, then I removed them for later clears. I worked my way up.
The friend I mentioned was playing the game just to play, and more lives meant despite very inconsistent playing (let's perfect Kaguya until 3rd nonspell with nothing left one run, get there with 8 lives and game over to Swallows Cowrie Shell the next, not even reach stage 6 the next), the play session lasted longer.
People are going to express some form of bitterness, external or internal, if they see people posting 1/200 spell-card videos/achievements and they get more recognition than their own WR titles or superplays.
Moot in my example since a replay wasn't even saved. Also moot because I don't do that and there are several channels that have more views/less 'skilled' playing (I use this term very carefully), and no I'm not going to name names.
You're kind of throwing out the equality clause out the window with that theory, though. Score runs are still illegitimate on non-default settings.
For official purposes yes-but who says it can't be tested just for fun?
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PCB hitboxes.
Even the one decent fight in the game you must ruin,
I'm tempted to check Perfect Lunatic Stage 5 as done because those deaths were just unbearably bullshitty.
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His statement is true regardless of context. To your point: you have to get used to playing under pressure. It's a fine accomplishment if you do it without needing the extra lives, sure. Now do it without them.
This is exactly what I'm talking about: telling other players what they have to do. Who does this help?
But that was more-or-less ok. The stinger was you throwing him under the bus because other people have made poor/rude/whatever arguments. The dismissal, as you called it, was done by you.
If you're going to object, at least be courteous about it.
I think that's a really uncharitable reading. The general "poor resource management" argument is overdone. There are more constructive ways of offering help and advice then trotting out this canard. I think it's a legitimate point to make and was made courteously.
Regarding this topic, it is well known that, in the interests of fairness for competition, any runs with settings used other than full defaults are considered illegitimate. ... Zengeku does know what he's talking about here.
Yeah, I don't doubt he does, but we're not talking about the context of an established competition; the subject was general advice, with a sort of back-handed comment made about extra lives. If this were gearing up for a contest of some sort, sure, that makes total sense, though.
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and I remember needing those lives to clear IN easy the first time, then I removed them for later clears. I worked my way up.
That's nice, I'm not sure what that has to do with what I said though aside from validating my statement on progression...
The friend I mentioned was playing the game just to play, and more lives meant despite very inconsistent playing (let's perfect Kaguya until 3rd nonspell with nothing left one run, get there with 8 lives and game over to Swallows Cowrie Shell the next, not even reach stage 6 the next), the play session lasted longer.
Again, so what? People can choose to enjoy their play sessions by multiple runs at once, or they can enjoy it via just a single run. I'm not trying to discredit having more extra lives in a run. What I am annoyed about is people immediately calling out those who express their dissenting opinion on it for their own reasons, and I want people to be able to respect the rationale for their disagreement and calling them tryhards.
Moot in my example since a replay wasn't even saved. Also moot because I don't do that and there are several channels that have more views/less 'skilled' playing (I use this term very carefully), and no I'm not going to name names.
Uhh, I wasn't even accusing you of it... I'm just saying that it is an actual reality, and that you're not doing yourself any favours by skirting that issue.
For official purposes yes-but who says it can't be tested just for fun?
Then don't call it a serious achievement, is my rather harsh opinion on the matter. It can be a nice personal goal, yes. But I believe that's far as it should get. A personal goal that motivates you to push your limits.
Yeah, I don't doubt he does, but we're not talking about the context of an established competition; the subject was general advice, with a sort of back-handed comment made about extra lives. If this were gearing up for a contest of some sort, sure, that makes total sense, though.
If I may, I don't doubt that Zengeku probably didn't phrase the comment very well - it definitely would have come off as back-handed to some... But it DOES hold some weight given the context of higher-difficulty Touhou (and Touhou in general, for that matter), and providing advice for shmups in general usually entails "telling other players what to do." Stream more. Practice your sight-reading. At this card, do x and y. During this segment of the stage, do z, and such. It's the player's prerogative to make what he has of the "advice" he or she was given, whether to follow it or not, or just to practice more.
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If I may, I don't doubt that Zengeku probably didn't phrase the comment very well - it definitely would have come off as back-handed to some... But it DOES hold some weight given the context of higher-difficulty Touhou (and Touhou in general, for that matter), and providing advice for shmups in general usually entails "telling other players what to do." Stream more. Practice your sight-reading. At this card, do x and y. During this segment of the stage, do z, and such. It's the player's prerogative to make what he has of the "advice" he or she was given, whether to follow it or not, or just to practice more.
Right, but again, context matters here. In this case, Esu was contending that extra lives do not equal cheating. Zengeku chimed in that while not cheating, "people will think less of your accomplishments" and that it's "poor resource management". If I_have_no_name's friend was in a shmups competition or something, Zengeku's remark would make a lot of sense. But from what I gather, she was just ... playing Touhou. All I was trying to do was offer another way of looking at the use of extra lives at the beginning of a game, which I think is pretty reasonable. I also added that "you're not using resources in the RIGHT way" is an overdone argument that doesn't consider the context of a replay.
Everyone's got different definitions of fun, and everyone plays with different goals and motivations in mind. It's that context that we need to have in mind when providing advice. Some people are coming here wanting to get competitive, others just want to achieve personal bests. Trying to apply a blanket metric to everyone isn't going to work. There's no one way to play, is all I'm saying here.
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*Gets hit for his last life on Full Moon Pompokolin*
*Uses trance to take out Mamizou*
Double KO!!!! T_T
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Zengeku chimed in that while not cheating, "people will think less of your accomplishments" and that it's "poor resource management".
Which are both 100% fact. It is up to the other person to determine whether or not they give a shit about what Zengeku has to say. If you don't care about resource management or what other people think of your accomplishments, then just ignore advice that's catering towards those things. There's really no issue here.
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Which are both 100% fact.
"people WILL think less of your accomplishments"
false.
"people MAY think less of your accomplishments"
true.
"some people WILL think less of your accomplishments"
also true.
Really I was just arguing a blanket statement being presented as fact where if it had been phrased slightly differently I would have grumbled and moved on.
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Which are both 100% fact.
Again, context matters. Or apparently it doesn't, and everyone plays for the exact same reasons and has the exact same definition of fun.
The point here was, again, I was just trying to offer the possibility that maybe not everyone is playing Touhou competitively, and that there are other ways of looking at this. This offering different points of view thing is also known as a "discussion", so I don't really see a reason why my choices are either a) agree with Zengeku within the context of the situation being provided (i.e., someone just playing the game for a personal goal) or b) shut up about it.
But anyway, I think I've repeated myself enough already, so if anyone else needs further clarification, feel free to drop me a message. Otherwise, I'll just let this get back to being the thread about Touhou rage.
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You know what, never mind
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Let's talk ultra patches.
PCB's is overall rather well done-everything is still doable, even the seeming walls of death. It's fun.
IN's ultra is broken, especially Eirin and anyone with familiars.
PoFV's is kind of fun. The AI seems to take much longer to die, but that's it.
MoF's is broken. I've been over this already (and beat it on hard)
SA's is broken. Hard mode is so stupid I refuse to play it.
UFO's is broken. There's barely enough resources to clear. Hard mode is also very stupid and unless I can play nigh perfectly I have no chance.
GFW's is fun. There's some broken stuff but the non-broken stuff is fun.
TD's is broken. Waaaaaay too much "faster stage pacing" removing lives...which are needed for bosses.
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Zengeku and KB
Ouch. That's a hell of an insult to Zengeku. Well beyond my abilities.
And while you have a point with the accomplishments and whatnot, I think it's irrelevant to this discussion. In this context, it's trying to excuse harbored resentment, which shouldn't be excused and might not even exist (at least not universally). If someone makes a comment hinged upon bitterness, the solution should be to recognize it and apologize for it, nothing else. And that wasn't the case here.
So a subjective statement presented as fact is spot-on?
It wasn't subjective.
This is exactly what I'm talking about: telling other players what they have to do. Who does this help?
He wasn't telling anyone to do anything.
I think that's a really uncharitable reading. The general "poor resource management" argument is overdone. There are more constructive ways of offering help and advice then trotting out this canard. I think it's a legitimate point to make and was made courteously.
No, it was a fallacy. You don't throw out an argument simply because a premise has been "overdone". That's preposterous.
More importantly, you were blatantly rude. It baffles me how you are not understanding that comparing someone with a supposed group of idiots and dickheads is slanderous.
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Little girl, age 8, total play count of all Touhou games under 30, not of Japanese/Korean/other Asian country with stereotype of amazing video gamers.
This might be the stupidest thing I've ever read on MotK. People need to get the fuck over these stereotypes. Comparing people over their nationalities is just insulting to them, implying that Japanese players only have all those WRs because they're Japanese, or that a guy like Sapz is really good... for being British and all. The reality is that given the same time, effort, and efficiency of practice, any two given players should be just as good as each other. The only reason most of the best scores tend to come from Japan is that there's more people there who have been playing competetively for 15+ years.
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This might be the stupidest thing I've ever read on MotK. People need to get the fuck over these stereotypes. Comparing people over their nationalities is just insulting to them, implying that Japanese players only have all those WRs because they're Japanese, or that a guy like Sapz is really good... for being British and all. The reality is that given the same time, effort, and efficiency of practice, any two given players should be just as good as each other. The only reason most of the best scores tend to come from Japan is that there's more people there who have been playing competetively for 15+ years.
Even if he did happen to be serious, it's no reason to lash at him like that.
Generally speaking, I'm under the impression that the argument itself has been settled already and people are starting to get personal instead. This is the rage thread, but you're supposed to be raging at the games. Can we try ending this convo instead of lengthening it needlessly?
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Can we try ending this convo instead of lengthening it needlessly?
Yes. Instead of raging at each other, rage at unlucky deaths and silly mistakes from here on out, please.
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More importantly, you were blatantly rude. It baffles me how you are not understanding that comparing someone with a supposed group of idiots and dickheads is slanderous.
At this point, it honestly looks like you're trying to pick a fight, especially when you choose hyperbolic language by saying that I'm being "blatantly rude" and "slanderous". I've already said that anyone wanting to discuss this further can PM me. I strongly recommend you heed that request rather than escalating the name-calling further, thanks.
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(in the same vein)
The game was intended to have fun. It's less fun to repeatedly die due to inconsistency.
Adding lives doesn't make you die less.
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Adding lives doesn't make you die less.
Doesn't it technically make you die more? :]
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"people WILL think less of your accomplishments"
false.
"people MAY think less of your accomplishments"
true.
"some people WILL think less of your accomplishments"
also true.
Really I was just arguing a blanket statement being presented as fact where if it had been phrased slightly differently I would have grumbled and moved on.
"People WILL think less of your accomplishments" and "some people WILL think less of your accomplishments" are exactly the same thing.
Again, context matters. Or apparently it doesn't, and everyone plays for the exact same reasons and has the exact same definition of fun.
I was not implying this stuff applies to everybody. As a matter of fact, in the post you quoted, I specifically said the people it doesn't matter to should ignore it:
If you don't care about resource management or what other people think of your accomplishments, then just ignore advice that's catering towards those things.
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I don't believe anyone's trying to pick a fight here from what I can see; heated debate over conflicting opinions, perhaps, but that's hardly unusual for any discussion that lasts for some time. Leaving aside the issue of who said what about whoever else, the argument itself (about changing settings and the devaluing that may occur because of this) is an interesting one which crops up fairly often, and so I believe this shouldn't be shut off before some kind of closure is reached. I'm sure people here are mature enough to turn down the heat a little and discuss their opinions on this in a calm and rational manner, as the majority of posts so far have in fact been doing.
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That's all well and good, but it really doesn't have much to do with unlucky deaths or silly mistakes. Why not just make a new topic about this issue instead of cluttering this one with offtopic posts?
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That's all well and good, but it really doesn't have much to do with unlucky deaths or silly mistakes. Why not just make a new topic about this issue instead of cluttering this one with offtopic posts?
Because we're all too lazy. and Sanity hasn't told me to
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It's not entirely off topic, nor does it seem like this will go on for much longer anyway. In any event, I feel like I should mention that if you happen to run out of lives, you can freely use continues anyway, so it's not like you're prevented from playing the game to completion. It also let's you see how well you did with default settings (not screwing with your score and all that), while allowing you to continue after.
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Chirpy, that was a joke
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ten desires hates me
Perfect game -> gaming over on Kyouko is not cool
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CAUTION CAUTION WALLPOST
Oooook then. First of all, this:
She eventually cleared, reaching Kaguya with 4 lives, when a failed attempt reached Kaguya with 8 (starting from max-when she found out she was mad and viewed it as cheating -_-)
Is a good thing. If her goal is to beat Kaguya and she wants to do that on default lives, then good for her. It shows some initiative, and she understands that clearing with default lives is obviously harder than clearing with extra lives. She has personally set herself that goal. Fortunately, wanting to clear with default lives is in line with the standard 1cc requirements as well. No focus and no bomb is pretty easily curbed; if she doesn't want to do it now then that's her deal, but sooner or later she'll probably figure it out on her own anyways.
When will people get that it's not cheating to use extra lives?! God dammit!
Here we need to get something straight. It isn't "cheating" to use extra lives until you've set yourself a goal or standard to beat. When practicing you can have as many lives as you want because it's practice, and if you're just playing with no real goal or improvement in mind then clearly it doesn't matter. But when you're talking about a 1cc or any other sort of standardized goal, adding lives as a handicap is indeed cheating, or at least doesn't fulfill the goal in question. This seems to be a major source of confusion here, because one side seems to be arguing "for play" because they're speaking from the context of an eight-year-old playing for fun, while the other side is speaking from a context where "cheating" actually exists. To qualify a run as a 1cc, you must be playing on default settings. Even in games where you can change settings, giving yourself extra lives is a clear violation of the standard. If you posted that you "1cc'd PCB Normal" but padded extra lives, the expectation you've declared is that you started on default settings, and hence you're lying, or at least are ignorant of the term 1cc.
That being said, Esu is right (when playing for fun), but is also wrong (because she put that standard on herself), and is also wrong (in terms of general play).
People will think less of your accomplishments if you needed extra lives to get them.
This is true, but it's also redundantly true. The point is, clearing with extra lives is easier than clearing with default lives. Therefore, if you set yourself a goal, clearly you would be more proud of some accomplishment done with default lives than you would if you used extra lives. People will think less of your accomplishments not because they're looking down on you for using extra lives, but because it's objectively easier. People looking down on runs done with handicaps is a largely irrelevant matter. This is where IHNN completely misses the point and begins to talk about something completely, completely different.
Not everyone is a god-tier player you know. Some people need those extra lives because they don't get all of them (she had at least one run where she didn't get 800 point items AND dropped Keine's 1up...)
This is a gross misrepresentation of what Zengeku said, and is also wrong. Getting extends and 1-up items are not a default-given part of the game; her missing them is her own fault, and is not something that requires adding starting lives. Moreover, if you give the player extra lives to begin with to make up for items they later miss, the need to get the items/extends has vanished. This isn't something to be encouraged. Later covering this mistake up by using the guise of "but it's valid for practice" completely ignores that Zengeku was talking about runs that aren't practice. She said that she wanted to use default lives, so obviously this wasn't practice. You retracted your first answer entirely and replaced it with an unrelated, more general statement.
Telling her to bomb patterns that she died to every time resulted in "but that's not playing the game". In this example, moot point.
It isn't a moot point, it's quite valid. Just because she doesn't currently acknowledge the importance of resource management doesn't mean you should make up for that by giving her more lives to waste. That actually supports Zengeku's point, because the more lives she gets, the more lenient she figures the game is, and the less likely she is to learn how to bomb or manage any resources in the future. Zengeku replied perfectly well and was courteous enough to not argue any further.
It's blanket statements like this that really rub me the wrong way. It all depends on the replay - how many deaths did the person have for the whole game? Maybe they didn't need those extra lives, but feel more confident knowing they're there. Who is anyone else to say your accomplishments are "less" if you start with extra lives, if the total deaths after a 1cc - factoring in extends - is more or less the same?
It wasn't a blanket statement, it was advice for a learning player to get better. You made the same mistake as IHNN, and sorry dude, but you seem to have been a major propellant in this argument getting so heated. I'm not sure if it was because he started with "Seriously, you shouldn't be using extra lives ever" or not, but Zengeku wasn't saying that you shouldn't use extra lives because of judgements from other people, as I explained above, so from the beginning you're arguing something different. Your wording is also why KB replied in kind, likely to "statements like this rub me the wrong way" and "who is anyone else to say if x", which is personally invested language.
In addition, the whole "holds back learning resource management" argument is a rhetoric club used to hammer on other players about virtually anything - using safe spots, bombing "too much", and so forth. It's a facile dismissal of actual accomplishments.
This is a problem that KB also addressed: you grouped Zengeku together with people who (apparently) stretch rhetoric to impose arbitrary rules on others. Meanwhile, Zengeku wasn't doing anything of the sort, and baggage alone isn't enough to complain about (unless you were indeed placing Zengeku in that group). This is why KB views that you're jumping on Zengeku, and why I agree. The fact is, adding extra lives does hold back learning resource management, for reasons I described above. I'm not sure what other rules people are apparently imposing, but when the end goal is overall improvement as a player, then suggesting that they bomb less (or more), or not to use safespots, is a completely legitimate constructive criticism. It isn't a dismissal of actual accomplishments, either, and I'm not sure why you view it that way. I don't think many people, if any, intend it that way.
Well, I think the thing to have in mind is context. Like, if someone posts a replay using safe spots, extra lives or bomb spamming and asks, "OK, how can I do better?", you need to look at the replay and ask yourself if any of these things are actually holding them back, or if there's another reason why they're screwing up. Sort of duct-taping on your own pet peeves about extra lives or whatever if it isn't actually the problem with the run just seems unnecessary.
You made the same mistake again here, I think. Zengeku was talking precisely about methods to improve and the original discussion wasn't in the contexts you described. However, calling those things pet peeves, even if they may be so, are irrelevant if somebody's asking how to get better, since getting rid of those and succeeding is objectively better play. If they're bomb-spamming, not bomb-spamming will get them to actually learn how to dodge a pattern, especially if you give advice on the specific patterns. Even if you just tell them to stop bomb-spamming and leave it at that, it's better advice than not mentioning it at all. Same goes for safespots. Adding extra starting lives, however, is in a different category altogether because it doesn't deal with things that you can fix otherwise, and is also attached to the player's end goal. As said above, learning how to properly manage your resources is always more easily done when you have less resources. If the player wants to improve that skill, then getting down to default lives is a good way to start. Moreover, since the goal of most Touhou players is a 1cc at some point, you can assume that getting rid of the starting lives is something that the player eventually wants to do anyways. Again, obviously, clearing with default lives is "doing better" than clearing with extra lives.
You got just as annoyed at KB for pointing out that you were jumping on Zengeku, as KB was annoyed for you jumping on Zengeku. Your reply to him said this exact same thing, but you didn't even consider that you were actually jumping on him there. Usually you're more self-critical about stuff like this, Ammy. You should be able to see why KB found your post in bad taste. Instead, after KB expanded a bit you made the same mistake of thinking things like "do it without them" and "it's a fine accomplishment but x" and "you have to get used to x" are all things more experienced players are forcibly imposing onto the less experienced because of some sort of elitist principle. That isn't it at all; if you are striving for personal betterment, then these things are just natural progression. They're actual pieces of advice and possible short-term goals. This is what Zengeku referred to as well. You're getting chastised for essentially not being able to realize that you're misrepresenting the opposing position and chastising them for a stance they don't hold. I don't think you're doing it on purpose, but I also think KB is in the right here in pointing it out.
From here, IHNN basically misrepresents every other post and continues to miss the point. Nobody is talking about playing for fun. You weren't talking about playing for fun to begin with (or at least shouldn't have been), Zengeku wasn't talking about playing for fun, nobody else in the thread should have been saying anything about playing for fun. If you're playing for fun, there are zero arguments to be made, nobody is going to say "you're playing the game wrong" if you don't care about playing the game right. In the same way, it's completely empty as an example or context for an argument about gameplay. Objecting to these posts by going "that wasn't what I was talking about though" and talking about random personal experience that has nothing to do with the discussion is just completely, completely off the mark. Sorry.
If anything needs clarification please let me know because holy shit this is a long post and I don't want to keep going through the posts anymore because I pretty much hit the stem of the debate anyways.
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Well, alright. After reading what Drake had to say here, I see now that I did make things more volatile here and jumped the gun on a number of points, and for that I apologize. No excuses or reasoning away. I completely misread what was being argued, precipitating a clusterfuck derail, and for that I'm sorry. Cheers.
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Eh, I'm bored and apparently I'm pretty good at Spring Kyoto Dolls [Lunatic]. Let's time it out no vert.
Eh, this is going well. Mmm, 02 seconds left.
SHARP UNFOCUSED MOVEMENT TO THE RIGHT
This was such a good idea.
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>tries UFO Extra
>game overs to Surprising Slash.
This shit is why I don't bother with Extra stages.
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I just died to Ten Evil Stars.
What.
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I just died to Ten Evil Stars.
What.
I never mastered the safespot so I die to it a lot.
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I never mastered the safespot so I die to it a lot.
Not a safespot, but taking advantage of hitbox sizes. You should better learn it. It's easy to do and really worth it to learn.
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Not a safespot, but taking advantage of hitbox sizes. You should better learn it. It's easy to do and really worth it to learn.
Still safespotting, you're evading the most obstructive bullets in the spell.
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I think you'd find yourself naturally gravitating toward it even when dodging the spell normally. Since the suns don't go there they tend to force you into that spot on their own. That's my experience, at least.
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I don't think I have ever failed to 'safespot' the spell as you call it, not even when I started playing. It's as Zil says - you should find the spot naturally. Maybe you're having trouble because you're trying too hard?
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I don't think I have ever failed to 'safespot' the spell as you call it, not even when I started playing. It's as Zil says - you should find the spot naturally. Maybe you're having trouble because you're trying too hard?
I have actually failed it once or twice (across over 100 runs mind you) but really, it's a good thing to learn Esu-chan. Just try to line you up with the fourth kanji (霊) in the game title to the right. I think that's a pretty good marker for it.
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I have actually failed it once or twice (across over 100 runs mind you) but really, it's a good thing to learn Esu-chan. Just try to line you up with the fourth kanji (霊) in the game title to the right. I think that's a pretty good marker for it.
I'd make a remark that that is the weirdest thing to base a safe location off of but Nine Syllable Slash/Stabs (I forget) has you go to the top of the dialogue box so I can't really say anything.
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When Sanae asks if you're visiting the shrine in cold weather, I usually wedge myself in between the 't' and the 'h' in the word 'the' :s
But anyway, actual rage:
Ended up 0/0 at Tewi somehow: Capped her first nonspell FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, and died to her second nonspell, which I almost always cap.
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I'd make a remark that that is the weirdest thing to base a safe location off of but Nine Syllable Slash/Stabs (I forget) has you go to the top of the dialogue box so I can't really say anything.
Normally I just eyeball it but that was the closest thing for an on-screen marker for the vertical position you need.
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Better idea: you don't safespot it. It's a pretty cool card.
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It's... pretty hard not to safespot static lasers, unless you wanted to get hit by them >_>
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Nine Syllable Stabs? You're safe at the bottom of the screen, directly under Sanae. Or are people talking about a "100% safe" spot (as in, none of the other bullets reach you either)?
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Wait... that card? I thought you were talking about her final card. You know, the one famous for its safespot.
Can you safespot the entire first card?
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Nine Syllable Stabs? You're safe at the bottom of the screen, directly under Sanae. Or are people talking about a "100% safe" spot (as in, none of the other bullets reach you either)?
Not that kind of safe spot. The kind where the main problem of the card is easily avoided, as opposed to "I can just sit on my ass and time this out if I want to!".
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And what would this main problem be? I don't believe there's a safespot for the stray bullets.
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And what would this main problem be? I don't believe there's a safespot for the stray bullets.
NHWEIOPKLGAGAQOGHQEOGOQW
Main problems; Large obstacles that can confuse players or obstruct ability to dodge bullets; SUNS OR GIGANTIC LASERS in this case.
Secondary problems; lots and lots of bullets; This kind of safespot would be BoWaP
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I usually just position myself according to the outer suns. Sit just slightly outside their hitboxes as they move across the bottom (all of the glowy part is safe) and the inner suns will deal with themselves. Once you're in the spot, the rest is easy to no-vert. Your comment about the dialogue boxes on stabs had me confused until I started looking at replays, which are all quite weird. I really have no clue why people move up for it, it honestly looks like it'd just make it harder... I've always just sat in the bottom-middle, not moving unless a bullet was coming directly at me. The space between the lasers should be more than enough to do what you need to do.
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ITT I repeatedly miss the subject pattern completely.
I thought you were talking about Nine Syllable Stabs.
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All of these attempts at an SA Lunatic 1lc are grating on my patience. I only have so much good music to help me pass the time, not to mention all the ridiculous ways I end up dying...
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So I gave Hourai Elixir lunatic a few tries with Ghost Team.
First try: 02 seconds left, clip.
Second try: 03 seconds left, moved into a bullet by moving too soon.
Third try: 00 seconds left, completely blocked in on all sides.
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ITT I repeatedly miss the subject pattern completely.
I thought you were talking about Nine Syllable Stabs.
/guiowrbhhuowerfbhuiovghogioweghgowehgowe
SA Extra Midboss Sanae. First card. Laser safespot. Easy area to novertical. Gah.
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I think the confusion is coming from the fact that it's wierd to call that a safespot, since standing where the lasers won't be is pretty much the only way to do it in the first place. And going to the cell above the bottom is seemingly worse than staying at the bottom anyway. Like Chirpy, I really don't get why so many people seem to do it.
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I think the confusion is coming from the fact that it's wierd to call that a safespot, since standing where the lasers won't be is pretty much the only way to do it in the first place. And going to the cell above the bottom is seemingly worse than staying at the bottom anyway. Like Chirpy, I really don't get why so many people seem to do it.
Why did you spell it weird as "wierd" god dammit I before E rule
Yeah, I don't get it either but I don't care, it saves me from restarting more than I already do.
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I have a tendency to spell things wrong. 'Wierd' is a common one. Also 'probobly,' 'neccessary,' etc. Forgot to spell check it.
Anyway, you're saying you find it easier if you go up one level into the next row? Because that's what I was saying I don't get, not that I don't bother knowing the safe places in general. It's just that staying at the bottom also works and seems to be easier to me.
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(http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad256/Malkyrian/memo.png)
memoshit + rampant clipdeaths + no deathbomb ability whatsoever = aaaaargh
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(http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad256/Malkyrian/memo.png)
memoshit + rampant clipdeaths + no deathbomb ability whatsoever = aaaaargh
If I may: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwD_g0Yq4p0#t=6m35s
This is a method I developed for that attack that is simple and consistent.
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mnnnghhhhhhhh
I rarely play Marisa and keep getting close to beating EoSD extra with her to but augh she's moving so fast I run into everything
especially a bullet, when there's like, less than a cm left of health for QED
fbnkjfbnalkjsalbnlsbns
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>decides to play UFO Easy
>dies at the last moment of last card of Kogasa without bombs
>dies 2 times at Fist Smash, total like 4 times at Ichrin
>perfect Murasa to Shou first non-spell
>dies to Shou first spell
>capture the wall spell with going through the wall once
>dies at green cross at the first ring of jellybeans
>arrives at Flying Fantastica at 0/1
>dies to the first ring :ohdear:
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>plays SA Normal for the first time in a while
>dies at the dumb places
My Vengeful Cannibal Spirit capture rate is way better than my Spleen Eater rate
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I haven't played Touhou in like a week. (I don't know how I stayed sane)
I come back and I start up MoF. I derp in the middle of Hina's midboss appearance.
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Damn.
I need to take SA Normal more seriously, because lol derping everywhere.
33 million by the Stage 3 intro? Hmm...
Well, why not just die to Kisume because shotgunning too close, to Parsee because my circle grazing needs work, and to S3 laser orbs because let's let go of the focus key, that's smart
At least 2,100 graze by that point ain't so bad. More than my previous 1CC.
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Damn.
I need to take SA Normal more seriously, because lol derping everywhere.
33 million by the Stage 3 intro? Hmm...
Well, why not just die to Kisume because shotgunning too close, to Parsee because my circle grazing needs work, and to S3 laser orbs because let's let go of the focus key, that's smart
At least 2,100 graze by that point ain't so bad. More than my previous 1CC.
Okay, I've learned that my score comes from lives, yours comes from graze.
:fail:
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*bombs on Vengeful Cannibal Spirit*
Well, at least she's almost done?
*watches lifebar deplete*
*dies to wave that was offscreen when bomb took effect*
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Okay, I've learned that my score comes from lives, yours comes from graze.
:fail:
thank you oh lord i completely forgot about this game's redonkulous clear bonus
do you know what this means
I can't suicide for bombs anymore waaaaaaaaah
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*bombs on Vengeful Cannibal Spirit*
Well, at least she's almost done?
*watches lifebar deplete*
*dies to wave that was offscreen when bomb took effect*
Reminds me of how right after a bomb in Honour the Avoidance of Defiance, I died from a laser due to being in a laser's path as the bomb ended (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?t24wcoi29orhoqt) (Which was total bullshit by the way, I didn't see that laser path at all.)
I would have uploaded that to YouTube but it didn't seem worth it. It's only a few seconds to download anyway, so it's not that bad. If you're wondering why it has classification in the name, I'm hosting files for the fail collab because Ozzy's hands are tied up doing other stuff, the classification so that he can download what he wants and know what he's downloading. I have like seven more files.
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Decided to try scoring in SA Normal because a lot of other people have apparently been doing that lately, hoping to reach 600 million... and finished with 599,571,810. Not exactly something I raged about (actually, I laughed when the clear bonus finished counting up, the run wasn't that great anyway), but this seemed like the best place to post it.
(Oh and if anyone's interested, I had 4600 graze at the start of stage 3, bombing Yamame's final card twice and Parsee's first boss non-card three times.)
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> 4600 graze
dude i should have tried bombing during that run :o
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> 4600 graze
dude i should have tried bombing during that run :o
You ought to try watching a high-scoring replay if you haven't already.
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Why do I continue to play UFO Stage 5, again? I'm at the point where my hatred for a certain few attacks is beginning to trump my completionist urges, which is saying something.
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Yeah no fuck you TD stage 3 Lunatic, I'm not going to bother any further trying to perfect you. Miyako's last spell is way too glitchy to keep me going. I mean really, those lasers are just complete garbage and make you wanna rip your hair out. Everything but that spell in the stage is pure dodging which I really like but goddamn the last spell is a fucking mess and a waste of code. Can't apply any skill there. -_-
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You ought to try watching a high-scoring replay if you haven't already.
Well, but I'm also trying to play well.
Eeeergh, I can't decide :V
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> 4600 graze
dude i should have tried bombing during that run :o
Wait, 4600?
My replay ended with 7486 graze.
I'm saying this because competitively, I'm sorry, but there isn't much chance unless you learn the spells instead of BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB because they also give you damn good bonuses.
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My replay ended with 7486 graze.
If you want competition, my last run had about 14000 :getdown: I'm just messing around, if you didn't notice
Though it wasn't a good run seeing that I kept dying at ridiculous areas that could've been streamed :derp:
On topic: Go die in a fire, Emerald Megalith Lunatic
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Y'know, you can get like 3000+ graze just by timing out Utsuho's first/third nonspells normally.
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Wait, 4600?
My replay ended with 7486 graze.
I'm saying this because competitively, I'm sorry, but there isn't much chance unless you learn the spells instead of BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB because they also give you damn good bonuses.
I'm skeptical that ~40,000,000 in spell card bonuses is going to outweigh an additional x2 or x3 on your multiplier, but okay.
Besides, if we're talking about graze totals at the end of the replays, then I've still got you beat a good 3,000 graze :getdown:
I was referring to graze total by the beginning of Stage 3...
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IN really manages to piss me off hard with its horrible luckshit moments.
Bullets hiding behind bullets, shit spawning right on you and that atrocious "hey, let's waste two bombs instead of one even though you bombed right before something hit you! :D:D:D:D:D" deathbombing system.
Go to hell.
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IN really manages to piss me off hard with its horrible luckshit moments.
Bullets hiding behind bullets, shit spawning right on you and that atrocious "hey, let's waste two bombs instead of one even though you bombed right before something hit you! :D :D:D:D:D" deathbombing system.
Go to hell.
This.
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IN really manages to piss me off hard with its horrible luckshit moments.
Bullets hiding behind bullets, shit spawning right on you and that atrocious "hey, let's waste two bombs instead of one even though you bombed right before something hit you! :D:D:D:D:D" deathbombing system.
Go to hell.
This is why I got used to playing Ultra without automatic deathbombs: So that I didn't feel reliant on automatic bombs. If I wanted to make the game harder, I should make the game harder to clear, not just harder to play.
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The thing is I don't want to rely on any autobombs or whatever, I bomb out of instinct, if it counts as a deathbomb, good job. If it doesn't, let me lose my life and let's carry on. But don't waste two bombs because you think you have to gear towards casual players and give them an extra second to react because you got hit. At least a way to turn that shitty system off would be nifty but nope. It works so nice in all the other games but IN has to be the exception here.
In other news, I couldn't get over the fact that UFO is making me its bitch and decided to play it again. Wow, I finally don't suck at Shou, being able to capture most spells rather well. But then comes Hijiri. Goddamn you stupid atrocity, why are all of your spells so damn ridiculous. Five consecutive continues and I still couldn't make it past Devil's Recitation. Only capture included that Star Maelstrom thing once (which btw is an absolute insult of an attack - come at me), eveything else has got to be bombed.
*sigh*
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"hey, let's waste two bombs instead of one even though you bombed right before something hit you! :D :D:D:D:D"
nope, you got hit first, don't kid yourself
(even if you want to blame something dumb like input lag, that only serves to tell you you should be bombing earlier anyways)
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Wait, 4600?
My replay ended with 7486 graze.
I'm saying this because competitively, I'm sorry, but there isn't much chance unless you learn the spells instead of BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB because they also give you damn good bonuses.
4631 at the start of stage 3 (since then I've improved my route a little to reach stage 3 with around 5500). My 599 million run ended with around 23000 graze (not sure of the exact amount, it desyncs at Utsuho starting from stage 6, stage 5, or stage 4, not from starting at stage 1 but I don't feel like replaying the whole thing again). And yes I do time out Utsuho's first and third non-cards (actually, finish them at the last second for the life part), even though there are only a few point items after that.
And I guess you haven't watched a high-scoring replay either. Judging from the world records, there are plenty of cards where bombing for graze (especially with ReimuA's bomb), or nearly timing them out then capturing them at the last second, will increase the point item value more than enough to compensate for the spellcard bonus, which is actually rather low already (especially in early stages and/or on lower difficulties). Survival is still important, but that's primarily because dying causes you to lose all the star items you've collected so far (and there are quite a lot of star items in stage 1).
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SA lunatic with ReimuB;
Capture catwalk with 0 power, reach stage 6 with 4 lives and get max power off opening crows.
Proceed to stupid death my way to Okuu and game over on Peta Flare with full power and 4/5ths of a life.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=22091 (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=22091)
:colonveeplusalpha:
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> First time playing Fairy Wars in over a year
> Plays Normal mode
> Gets to Fairy Overdrive
d'awww
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*plays through IN Stage 4A a few times*
Alright, I want to perfect this, my trouble spots are?
Fantasy Seal -Fader-
Fantasy Seal -Dark-
Fantasy Seal -Blink-
?dammit, Reimu.
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(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/64600169/NP2_0007.png)
If only I hadn't died three times (at least one of them was with bombs in stock, on top of that) to Yumeko, this would've probably been my first Mystic Square 1cc (with Mima).
(also, screw those yellow (or blue) "MS Paint" lasers (yes, that's how I call them))
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Trying UFO Hard.
Ends up with zero lives before Ichirin.
>rage quit.
There is something of a large divide between difficulties where I can 1cc any given game on Normal in my goddamn sleep but Hard mode destroys me before the mid point.
This is an awkward and annoying situation to be in, Normal is too easy for me to improve and Hard is too difficult for me to get anywhere with it. I've been here before with Guitar Hero and I eventually managed to break past it but this is just...not..fun.
Probably ought to try a different game to grow as a Hard player because fucking hell UFO, I like you as a game but you really are not suitable for growing one's skill.
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Try a game that isn't called UFO on Hard.
Or, try extra, although I assume you've done that already. Extra is that space between Normal and Hard, so if you cleared them all, you're more than ready for stuff like EoSD Hard and PCB Hard.
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Try a game that isn't called UFO on Hard.
Or, try extra, although I assume you've done that already. Extra is that space between Normal and Hard, so if you cleared them all, you're more than ready for stuff like EoSD Hard and PCB Hard.
I have, hell I actually 1cc'ed Imperishable Night Hard months ago. I'm presently practising for PCB, EoSD and MoF 1cc's and stufff, getting there no problem, I'd be surprised if I couldn't do these in a couple months time. Playing a game other than UFO is clearly the way to go and so that's what I'm doing.
The difficulty gap in UFO is just what's bothering me since it's the game I like the most right now but Normal's too easy and I'm not going to see past the halfway point on Hard. Bah.
And I loathe Extra Stages. I really do. I find them execrable to play and I really don't see the point in putting myself through something I hate doing, they're not short enough to make bite-sized play fun (ala Double Spoiler) and they're too short for me to not get bored and do something after restarting the stage for the tenth time or so in a effort to memorise it which is another facet of Extra Stages that can fuck right off, memorisation is always key in Touhou games but I just don't feel like I stand a chance unless I memorise the stage well enough to reach the boss with a decent number of resources, it's not fun, so I don't bother.
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I have never been so angry.
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For those who don't want to watch the entire failure:
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I have never been so angry.
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Please go into detail. I don't want to scramble to my ShanghaiAlice folder just to get to my replay folder (WHY DID YOU DO THAT ZUN FUCK YOU).
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Ah, I just updated with a screen.
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Oh damn, I feel legitimately sorry for you.
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Curses! Failed a Ran perfect on Descent of Izuna Gongen! :( Ah well, it was fun anyway.
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Curses! Failed a Ran perfect on Descent of Izuna Gongen! :( Ah well, it was fun anyway.
I remember a run of PCB Extra ending as a Double KO to Izuna Gongen. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEBztG5crPg)
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If it makes you feel better that's farther than I've made it into that game on lunatic. (my best try out of like 3 that I didn't quit had the same thing happen, only on Seiga)
Because TD isn't that fun for me, I haven't bothered to try much, and you have to memorize stages if you want lives. oh and also never derp unless you can do everything consistently.
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*deep breath*
I can't make it past Ichirin on UFO Normal! She's making Unzan troll me with the scary-ass pink fists of death!!! It's always Ichirin!!! I can get past Kogasa okay but Ichirin is driving me up a wall!!!
:getdown:
/rant
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*deep breath*
I can't make it past Ichirin on UFO Normal! She's making Unzan troll me with the scary-ass pink fists of death!!! It's always Ichirin!!! I can get past Kogasa okay but Ichirin is driving me up a wall!!!
:getdown:
/rant
Calm down. Just get more experience with the games on Normal or possibly move on to hard with some of the games you've 1cc'd. You'll get better and then you'll understand the concept of macro-dodging.
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I'm not sure I've ever heard of macro-dodging. What exactly is it?
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I'm not sure I've ever heard of macro-dodging. What exactly is it?
Large motions to avoid walls/clusters of bullets. A good example of a pure macrododging card is Mountain of Faith on normal difficulty (the spell, not the game). Another good example is Sanae's opener from the same game.
Ichirin's second spell is also macrodoging-you need to move a lot to avoid the fists.
Now for some actual rage: I was going to have a 177.xx on 10-8, except then I got clipped but wall of bullets. Gonna improve that scene if it kills me.
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Micro: go through patterns.
Macro: go around patterns.
"MS Paint" lasers
Cheetos: tastier nickname.
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>Let's Play EoSD Part 2: Extra
>Gets to QED
>Double KO
EHGHGHGWHGIOPWEHG:HIPHRIPBGHWERIPGHSGIPWRGHIPWEGNIOPWERGHWERIOPNERIOPERIOPHJBPHERIGNERP
I'M NOT CALLING THAT AN EPISODE BECAUSE I WANT TO SHOW THE FUCKING DIALOGUEEEEEEGHIPGIPWEHQWEP(GHWERWEPWERNJGPqwehjIOPGTJ@PHJYPHP#$YIOP@$GHI(E$HN#OP
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>Let's Play EoSD Part 2: Extra
>Gets to QED
>Double KO
EHGHGHGWHGIOPWEHG:HIPHRIPBGHWERIPGHSGIPWRGHIPWEGNIOPWERGHWERIOPNERIOPERIOPHJBPHERIGNERP
I'M NOT CALLING THAT AN EPISODE BECAUSE I WANT TO SHOW THE FUCKING DIALOGUEEEEEEGHIPGIPWEHQWEP(GHWERWEPWERNJGPqwehjIOPGTJ@PHJYPHP#$YIOP@$GHI(E$HN#OP
Err, it'd make for an interesting episode though :blush:
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Damn it, why can't I bring myself to bomb normal mode unless I have like one life remaining? It's on 90 frigging fps! I just failed like four 1cc runs at the last boss because of my stupidity :fail:.
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Of all of the times to deathbomb... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0VCawcfw0Y&feature=player_detailpage#t=1830s)
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So I'm trying IN Extra for the first time today.
Frikken bullet spam everywhere that I wasn't ready for.
I knew it was Extra, but still.
I only made it up to Mokou's second spell card...
:derp:
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Fantasy Seal -Fader- Lunatic 90fps T-2 seconds.
WOOOOOOOOW.
e: And then another attempt with T-4. This card is just haunting me now. 700 tries.
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Okay, no. I got to T-5 again, but there's only so much I'm willing to take. When the card starts killing you 12-6 style (I don't know if this is a known glitch, but you get killed by invisibullets sometimes when Reimu's next to the edge of the screen but not over the edge), you just lose the will to go through with it all.
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T-2
again
It burns
It burns
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Boom boom combo breaker.
I was two point-items from an extend (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=22138). ;_________; SHOULD NOT HAVE SKIPPED THAT FAIRY DURING STAGE 4 NOPE
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No ya don't.
T-1
T-FUCKING-1.
I-I-I tried escaping the corner by going up the right side.
I got cornered.
I'm pretty sure I would have survived the last second had I stayed at the damn corner.
WHY do I do these things.
e:
Again. T-1 again.
This is unbelievable.
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That is rather usual during that card, IIRC. I failed at 10 to 0 for about ten times before timing it out on Youmu unfocused.
The best fail is this one (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=17892).
You should consider taking a break from it, if it annoys you that greatly. Even the deaths should be fun, especially since that card is about intense dodging, which should be fun. If it stops being fun, you probably should not do it. - It's not the goal, but the journey you should enjoy.
In any case, good luck.
700 tries.
Oh hey, I did not notice this one.
Do maximally 1500 or 10h a day. It gets horrible if you do more. And frustration does not help you get better at it, it just annoys you more and more.
*dies twice to Chen*
While I'm at it I'll quote you too and mention that my first-ever 1CC of any touhou game ever (PCB normal) died twice to Chen. She has some confusing patterns if you are new to the game, so you are rather welcome to die once or twice (I'd rather bomb, however) on them. PCB will give you a ton of resources later on, so do not worry about that cat.Also, ten hours a day? That's... kind of... extreme...
I did 10h with SFN when I grinded it. - At least it was doable if you were patient enough and had some good music.
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"I'M A GO 1CC PCB ON HARD MODO DERP"
*dies twice to Chen*
*alt+f4*
Another day, perhaps.
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Actually, I just hit 999.
I promised to stop at 999, so you win this one, Reimu.
Also, ten hours a day? That's... kind of... extreme...
Wait, you did that with NF Youmu... at 60fps, no? I did that with Reimu easily. I'm doing this at 90fps!
Anyway, yeah, it is actually very fun, which is why I'm doing it, and I would not have stopped if it weren't for history finals tomorrow. (~_~) It's the disappointing deaths at the last seconds that annoy me, and that's a universal thing.
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Ah, I'm too conservative a man to get used to gimmicks like flying in SWR. I'm sure it's going to be cool once I've got the hang of it, but high temperatures with lots of humidity are not quite the conditions in which I can undergo such a painful process.
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Wait, you did that with NF Youmu... at 60fps, no?
I did that once too.
and again in 1 try just now :D
although Hourai Elixir seems to like clipping me in the last 10 seconds >.>
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The card isn't really that hard, which is why I amped it up. It's kind of impossibly hard to read entire waves while dodging the 'leftovers' at 90fps.
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Yeah I did 99 attempts. It seems purely idiotic, but the staticness helps. Got to <10 about three times, once to 01. I never liked 90fps that much, so I probably will not do more.
And yes, the NF Youmu timeout was at 60.
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You get used to reading the waves (partially!) after a while. It's supposed to be idiotically chaotic. >:(
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(http://i.imgur.com/DufbS.png)
Didn't really matter that much since it was a crap run, but I would have liked capturing it at least once outside of spell practice. <_<
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H-Ha ha ha... Another f-FAILED RUN that made it to Flandre... I-in my Let's Play...
I d-didn't even make it to F-flandre with F-four lives...
K-Kagome Kagome killed me with all of my b-bombs...
H-ha ha ha... I b-bombed twice to c-catad-dioptric... I d-didn't even make it to A-And Then There W-Will Be None...
My sanity is equal to the Kelvin temperature of the Boomerang Nebula right now.
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I keep on dying to the same spots in my perfect Reimu attempts. They're all spellcards, so I go to spell practice, do them fairly successfully (usually 50% capture rate or so) then I go to stage practice to try a perfect run and fail them all. Every single time.
Does Reimu accept bribes?
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I keep on dying to the same spots in my perfect Reimu attempts. They're all spellcards, so I go to spell practice, do them fairly successfully (usually 50% capture rate or so) then I go to stage practice to try a perfect run and fail them all. Every single time.
Does Reimu accept bribes?
Only if you bribe her with red stars to match her amulets.
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I keep on dying to the same spots in my perfect Reimu attempts. They're all spellcards, so I go to spell practice, do them fairly successfully (usually 50% capture rate or so) then I go to stage practice to try a perfect run and fail them all. Every single time.
Does Reimu accept bribes?
Offertories perhaps.
I cannot believe how hard Shoot The Bullet is. It blows all the regular spell cards out of the water. 150 tries at 5-1 and counting... grr.
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Only if you bribe her with red stars to match her amulets.
But I don't even have any stars, only knives and curvy lasers.
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But I don't even have any stars, only knives and curvy lasers.
Then send Yoshika underground to fetch a certain hell raven while watching out for a certain kasha?
Why can't I seem to get 5 straight through the rainbow dodges in 3-5 any more?
I cannot believe how hard Shoot The Bullet is. It blows all the regular spell cards out of the water. 150 tries at 5-1 and counting... grr.
5-1 is a lot harder than it should be for its slot; and 5-5 is worse. and yeah, Shoot the Bullet is pretty hard but I kept at it and managed to clear every scene, despite ragequitting the entire game several times (I just returned when I was better at the games in general)
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But I don't even have any stars, only knives and curvy lasers.
Did you even get my joke :getdown:
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Did you even get my joke :getdown:
I didn't either.
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Did you even get my joke :getdown:
Fantasy Seal Blink is not something to joke around with. :(
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FUCK YES I TIMED OUT TAO TAIDAO! I FINALLY DID IT!
Now, let's save the replay...
Touhou 13 is not responding
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(http://art.ngfiles.com/images/83/hulalaoo_no-fuck-you.png)
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FUCK YES I TIMED OUT TAO TAIDAO! I FINALLY DID IT!
Now, let's save the replay...
Touhou 13 is not responding
http://myfacewhen.com/71/
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Uhhh, the joke was that she accepts extra lives as bribes. (so the answer is no?)
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Uhhh, the joke was that she accepts extra lives as bribes. (so the answer is no?)
Okay... It wasn't funny though. :V
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Okay... It wasn't funny though. :V
:( Now I have something to rage about :V
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Speaking of EoSD extra God fucking damint! (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=22158) >:(
I mean i haven't touched it for quite some time and after watching Esu's LP i remembered that i was up to do a no bombs clear.
This replay shows an extremely idiotic way to fail it: perfect stage, die to easy stuff, almost capture ATWTBN :fail:
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SEVEN. FAILED. ATTEMPTS.
FUCK THIS GAME AND FUCK EVERYTHING IT STANDS FOR I'VE DONE IT ONCE I SHOULD BE ABLE TO FUCKING DO IT AGAIN BUT NO NO NO NO NONONONOONONONONONONONONNO NO NO NO NO INSTEAD LET'S JUST FUCKING DIE TO EASY FUCKING PELLET SHIT AND DIE TO CRANBERRY TRAP AGAIN AND DIE TO FOUR OF A KIND OF ALL FUCKING THINGS FOR THE UMPTEENTH FUCKING TIME IN A ROW
I'VE FUCKING HAD IT WITH EoSD. I'M NOT EVEN GIVING A SHIT ABOUT SHOWING THE END DIALOGUE OF THE FIGHT OR EVEN QED OF 495 FUCKING YEARS. I'M MOVING THE FUCK ON TO PCB AND THAT IS FUCKING THAT.
I'm sorry for exploding, but MY PATIENCE HAS WORN DOWN TO A FRAGILE CLIFFSIDE JUST WAITING TO DRAG SIGHTSEERS AND PHOTOGRAPHERS TO DEATH BY GRAVITY.
FUCK.
God fucking damint! (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=22158) >:(
And now I have a craving for peppermints. Dafuq?
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SEVEN. FAILED. ATTEMPTS.
FUCK THIS GAME AND FUCK EVERYTHING IT STANDS FOR I'VE DONE IT ONCE I SHOULD BE ABLE TO FUCKING DO IT AGAIN BUT NO NO NO NO NONONONOONONONONONONONONNO NO NO NO NO INSTEAD LET'S JUST FUCKING DIE TO EASY FUCKING PELLET SHIT AND DIE TO CRANBERRY TRAP AGAIN AND DIE TO FOUR OF A KIND OF ALL FUCKING THINGS FOR THE UMPTEENTH FUCKING TIME IN A ROW
I'VE FUCKING HAD IT WITH EoSD. I'M NOT EVEN GIVING A SHIT ABOUT SHOWING THE END DIALOGUE OF THE FIGHT OR EVEN QED OF 495 FUCKING YEARS. I'M MOVING THE FUCK ON TO PCB AND THAT IS FUCKING THAT.
Shhhhh
Don't let Touhou drive you up the wall
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Shhhhh
Don't let Touhou drive you up the wall
Ugh... You're right, I just can't fucking take the same old failure anymore EVEN THOUGH I'VE DONE IT BEFORE.
Edit: Just recorded part 3. It's not. Fucking. Over.
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Same old failure??? Have my skill, THAT'S failure.
How is it a fail, you say?
Well, I've accidentally deleted all my score files, and not played touhou for weeks. Hence why I can't get past Patchy on normal to get my EoSD score back
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I'm sorry for exploding, but MY PATIENCE HAS WORN DOWN TO A FRAGILE CLIFFSIDE JUST WAITING TO DRAG SIGHTSEERS AND PHOTOGRAPHERS TO DEATH BY GRAVITY.
I'M MOVING THE FUCK ON TO PCB AND THAT IS FUCKING THAT.
X________________________X
This will not end well.
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This will not end well.
I can handle PCB a LOT better than EoSD because at least 1. With Reimu, there's more of a marginal difference, and 2. THERE'S SO MUCH IN LINES OF RESOURCES THAT IT'D TAKE A MORON (Like me) TO FAIL NORMAL MODE.
If I don't clear EoSD Extra in the next two parts, it's VERY LIKELY that I will just move on.
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Before, spell practice: No. 062 Scattered Spirit "Fantasy Seal -Fader-" 19/40
After, spell practice: No. 062 Scattered Spirit "Fantasy Seal -Fader-" 34/68
Before, stage practice: No. 062 Scattered Spirit "Fantasy Seal -Fader-" 10/20
After, stage practice: No. 062 Scattered Spirit "Fantasy Seal -Fader-" 10/33
(http://myfacewhen.com/images/3.png)
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Faillastspellafteraperfect.mp3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM3KscjdNFs#t=5m)
I normally don't care about last spells (a perfect to me is no deaths, no bombs), but her face at 6:10 or so was my face when Reimu blasted me in the face. :(
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Perfect = WR. NDNB = NMNB
Come at me.
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Perfect = WR.
Come at me.
Most are not.
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Perfect = WR. NDNB = NMNB
Come at me.
WR = faggotry
Perfect = ND NB N(whatever gimmicks the game has) :V
Oh and i also consider all spells captured as a part of a perfect run.
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*cries because still no EoSD Lunatic 1cc*
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Just imagine the fun you'll have in Sakuya's expense when you finally beat the game. ~Motivation~ and such.
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Oh and i also consider all spells captured as a part of a perfect run.
Since I actually captured Fantasy Seal Blink on my perfect Reimu, I'm going with this.
>_> <_<
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That's nice. However, I'd appreciate it if you didn't impose your standards on mine. In my view, you could conceivably fail to activate the last spell and make it so it didn't factor in the battle at all. Besides, you don't lose any resources if you get hit, so I figure if I beat the rest of the boss without getting hit, I can count it as a perfect.
And yes, I know it is contradictory and more of an excuse to not want to put that much effort in than anything. However, if you spend 100 tries to perfect Eirin, you find that you are satisfied even if you get hit by Hourai Elixir. I saw a superplayer perfect the entirety of IN lunatic, and he didn't seem upset at all when he lost to Hourai Elixir (despite capturing every other last spell in the game).
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For IN:
perfect fight=NDNB
If I get the last spell then yay ASC if not then oh well I got everything else and lost no resources. Who cares about score.
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That's nice. However, I'd appreciate it if you didn't impose your standards on mine.
Honestly, that's always been my opinion, as my post here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12743.msg848676.html#msg848676) implies. But how often do I get the chance to act like that to someone skilled enough to perfect Flandre in one try? <_<
Perfects minus last spells are still "perfect", and they're still great accomplishments, but imo they should be considered different from perfect plus last spell captures.
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Oh yeah. IN with those ingame lastspells is special. Those don't count imho. I mean NDNB means all spells captured most of the time, but if some (nonsurvival) card is easier to time out than to capture than it must be captured for a really perfect run.
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Unlucky deaths is good because I have a nice one: Died at Kaguya, right before managing the 1cc on Lunatic when she literally has only a centimeter of her health left. Second time in succession my lunatic run got ruined at her last spell too.
That girl has some of the worst spells in the series to boot.
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Unlucky deaths is good because I have a nice one: Died at Kaguya, right before managing the 1cc on Lunatic when she literally has only a centimeter of her health left. Second time in succession my lunatic run got ruined at her last spell too.
That girl has some of the worst spells in the series to boot.
Wow, I've never had that happen on any difficulty, I'd be pissed. Just try one more time right now and you're sure to get it.
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I was playing UFO today, right?
So I was doing okay, finally made it past Ichirin and Unzan on Normal (I'm not the best UFO player), and I had to do several retries of Stage 4. I drained all of CAPTAIN MURASA's health bars, and I thought I had won.
SUPRISE! Survival spell card! And I had no extra lives left.
*pichuu~n*
...FFFFFFFFFFFFFF
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Who cares about score.
yea ikr
WR = faggotry
u >:
Unlucky deaths is good because I have a nice one: Died at Kaguya, right before managing the 1cc on Lunatic when she literally has only a centimeter of her health left. Second time in succession my lunatic run got ruined at her last spell too.
That girl has some of the worst spells in the series to boot.
Tell me about it. Trying to capture Hourai Jewel with anyone but Border Team or Yukari solo is a pain in the ass, not to mention trying to supergraze it.
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Perfect run doesn't exist, and will never been made.
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Perfect run doesn't exist, and will never been made.
You've got a point. But what about a run that is perfect with regards to what it was supposed to achieve? I mean, if the goal is to not die, not use bombs, cherry borders etc. and it actually succeeds at doing just that then i think it's perfect as far as that purpose goes. Of course, one might just call it a NDNB/NMNB bomb run if they don't like calling it perfect.
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That is not perfect, since there probably was some mistake, like missing a graze, or not getting the best bullet cancel bonuses. Even on WR's there are mistakes, I misworded it since I was on my mobile and it greatly limits the amount of text I am allowed to imput.
What I meant was basically what .ASP said, you will never be perfect, since you always could do better.
However, you can be good enough. And that is what your post is about, Zengeku.Who cares about score.
I never liked you due to some posts you have made, but I now like you even less. I guess we are too different to understand each other.
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I had nowhere to post this, and since I'm pretty angry about it: Is there any way to fix replays desynchronizing???
It desyncs right at the beginning of the Youmu bossfight in PCB Lunatic. Is this a common issue, or does it occur only to me?
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However, you can be good enough. And that is what your post is about, Zengeku.
Semantics. If the goal simply is not dying and not bombing then any run that satisfies those conditions is perfect since any amount of graze and whatever is irrelevant.
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I never liked you due to some posts you have made, but I now like you even less. I guess we are too different to understand each other.
I'm sorry to hear that. If you could point to these posts I might be able to clarify what I meant seeing as the part you quoted was poorly written on my part.
I know some people care about scoring, I just don't feel interested in resetting hundreds of times because I mistimed releasing/pressing the shot a couple times in stage 1, or failing some supergraze. Additionally I was only referring to score in the context of a "perfect" run-i.e., if you didn't die and didn't bomb, the score is irrelevant if, as Zengeku said, that was all you wanted to do.
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If I may jump in on this subject, I usually take "perfect run" as meaning a perfect survival run, in which I fulfill several requirements that are, by nature, clear-cut and unambiguous. I either die or I don't, or I either bomb or I don't, and of course it's the latter for each that I shoot for in these types of challenges. I've never felt scoring runs really deserve the same designation. Even if you have a run where you can say "I performed everything as intended" or some equivalent, even if it's the optimal path at the time, you can't just say there's no way to improve on that in the future. It's not as clear-cut, hence why I only use "perfect run" for survival-based stuff.
Back to the point that I believe Donut was trying to make in the first place. I'm of the opinion that since Last Spells are still part of the stage, being able to capture them alongside everything else before them is indeed more impressive than if you don't. Of course, you're still free to set up the condition that capturing the Last Spell isn't necessary, but I think it's too much of a stretch to hold the two types of runs in the same regard. I have trouble seeing how the "you could possibly not unlock the Last Spell" argument works, however. From my experience, you have to really be trying to not unlock the Last Spell to actually pull that off. If you go through all the normal stuff without dying or bombing, each level gives you more than enough Time Points to face the Last Spell. Then of course there are the two Final Stages, where not unlocking the Last Spells is impossible.
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You could pacify parts of the stage to not get time points, and if you're careful with focus during bosses you can only get familiar explosion time points- which are still enough in most cases (and Mystia's last spell is very easy to miss)
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Well, yeah. I never said that capturing the last spell was pointless. It's a difficult spell card (usually), and a great exclamation mark to a perfect run if you can capture it. However, I don't feel as though it is within my own definition of a perfect to include it, since it's a bonus. However, a run that both perfects the boss and captures the last spell would obviously be a bigger accomplishment.
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Who cares about score.
WR = faggotry
I like it when people actively dislike the people who are actually good at these games.
I just don't feel interested in resetting hundreds of times because I mistimed releasing/pressing the shot a couple times in stage 1, or failing some supergraze.
Why do people always think scoring = trying to beat the WR?
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I like it when people actively dislike the people who are actually good at these games.
I don't dislike the people, I also enjoy watching WR runs and such. I just have little to no interest in actually scoring myself. Additionally, you'll notice I didn't criticize the people-I asked a rhetorical question that expressed my opinion on my playing, but in a poorly worded way. Taking that as criticizing the players is a bit of a stretch don't you think?
Why do people always think scoring = trying to beat the WR?
an unplanned death is a big hit to scoring, not supergrazing is a big hit to scoring, etc.
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an unplanned death is a big hit to scoring, not supergrazing is a big hit to scoring, etc.
And "mistiming releasing/pressing the shot a couple times in stage 1" is what? Then you go on and in the end of the run you get a score that probably suits your current skill level with the game unless the run was especially bad. If you have to try hundreds of times to succeed in some trick then it's probably above your skill level anyway and you should perhaps look for a different strategy.
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And "mistiming releasing/pressing the shot a couple times in stage 1" is what?
My way of saying I don't see the enjoyment in micro-optimizing these things.
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My way of saying I don't see the enjoyment in micro-optimizing these things.
Micro-optimization is just that, micro. It's what people usually start doing when they want something more interesting to do during some part that gives them no trouble. If you're just after a decent score and not breaking the WR, then why would you need to do that?
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This looks like a major derailing. Isn't this thread for raging instead of semi-philosophical debate(as much as I like it)?
On that note: SHAMEIMAAARUUUUUUUU!!!
Oh hey, doing MoF Normal, manage to get to the first three stages with just one bomb, best so far! Oh look, I actually got past the midboss. I've got five lives, full power, blasting through stage 4. I'll make firewood out of that tengu.
First nonspell: no sweat. Spell: a doozy. Then my already finnicky fine motor control goes into total meltdown as I die to everything that follows. Two nonspells, three spells, five deaths.
As I stare at the monitor in complete shock, I am murdered by the first stage 5 thrash. Oh joy.
On the other hand, the laptop's keys are crappy and I couldn't go in any downward diagonal direction in this case(le alliteration), but still. GAH.
Back to the drawing board, I guess. And to the regular computer with the non-broken keyboard.
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Hey these arguments are the reason I like this thread.
Two cents: Saying "perfect" in any context is usually a little dubious, so generally I'd just assume it's perfect with respect to whatever goal was in mind. That's kind of arbitrary though, and I can see why some people are not so cool with the use of the word. I used to mock Touhou scoring for some of those silly reasons, but what Erppo said is right. If you have to restart to do something repeatedly, then it's beyond you at your current level. You should know what is reasonable for you to do consistently and have your own plan for the game. A survival run calls for the same things really, it's just so much easier you can get away with not thinking about anything.
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Aww, what a shame. PCB stage 6 1DNB. Got hit by the ghost knives. Even after all this time, I still don't have a safe method that doesn't involve slipping between bubble bullets.
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Aww, what a shame. PCB stage 6 1DNB. Got hit by the ghost knives. Even after all this time, I still don't have a safe method that doesn't involve slipping between bubble bullets.
Those things are worse than most of her spellcards. Have you ever perfected the stage?
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Those things are worse than most of her spellcards. Have you ever perfected the stage?
Aye, once. I even have a video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwR3z7fvAkw) of it.
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Remember that ghost knives is static :V
AM's IN Easy Alice solo WR run has a glaring death in stage 4. At least, I couldn't think of any reason that it should have been there.
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>Recording LLS Lunatic 1cc attempt
>Blue Screen at Stage 5
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>Recording LLS Lunatic 1cc attempt
>Blue Screen at Stage 5
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The sleeping terror surfaces.
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Am I the only one that finds Ichirin's spells to be really difficult? :derp:
I dunno, but a lot of my good runs get ruined by her. Well; a lot of my bad runs do too, then.
Maybe I should stop trying to capture everything she and Unzan throw out me..
I could complain about something else too, and that would be Shou's curvy lazers.
But, maybe I can save that for another day. I'm kind of tired now.
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You are far from the only one. Ichirin is pretty legit for a Stage 3 boss, though her last spell shouldn't be so hard. You have a replay?
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You are far from the only one. Ichirin is pretty legit for a Stage 3 boss, though her last spell shouldn't be so hard. You have a replay?
Nah, not now. I don't usually save too many replays, though I should, so I can study them.
I know that my main problem is that I'm too stubborn to bomb sometimes, plus, I'm fairly new to UFO, so, over time I'll get that 1CC. Just not yet.
But, I'm glad that I'm not just retarded for thinking Ichirin isn't the easiest boss in the world :V
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I was trying to upload this replay to link to so that I could tell Seiga off for making me sit through an hour of her overdrive spell.
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But this happened.
(http://puu.sh/EOF2)
What the hell do I do?
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Go into a full blown panic, the police are after you now.
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I was trying to upload this replay to link to so that I could tell Seiga off for making me sit through an hour of her overdrive spell.
What did I ever do to you to deserve that, bro?
Seriously though, gensokyo.org is glitched and doesn't display overdrive replays. You can still link to them by manipulating the link though, your replay can be found here (http://replays.gensokyou.org/replays/th13/th13_udEx12.rpy).
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Seriously though, gensokyo.org is glitched and doesn't display overdrive replays. You can still link to them by manipulating the link though, your replay can be found here (http://replays.gensokyou.org/replays/th13/th13_udEx12.rpy).
Thanks.
What did I ever do to you to deserve that, bro?
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THIS.
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Only 243? I took 321. Seriously, you have no right to complain.
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Only 243? I took 321. Seriously, you have no right to complain.
>Implying that only the ones that have it the worst have the right to complain
The fact that I didn't explode at that god damn attempt where I very damn near double KO'd it is a miracle more than Sanae could ever attempt to make.
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But 200 attempts is like 3h at max ;___; How could someone get frustrated about such a small amount of hours while doing something they liked?
If you did not like it, then why did you do it?
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>Implying that only the ones that have it the worst have the right to complain
The fact that I didn't explode at that god damn attempt where I very damn near double KO'd it is a miracle more than Sanae could ever attempt to make.
I came close to capturing on a bunch of tries as well, I had 3 failed attempts with Youmu that would have been captures had I time the release right, I spent 3 hours or so on this one card but it was fun. Also when I did it I hadn't even had the game for a week yet so :P
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If you did not like it, then why did you do it?
If it's the only thing you haven't done then completionism can easily get in the way of rationality.
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If it's the only thing you haven't done then completionism can easily get in the way of rationality.
You should always take Touhou easy. For example I mainly score on shots/games which dialogue/endings I like. IN Magic team best
Of course completionism may cause stuff like that, but I'd really say that Esu has several other irons on fire, which he has left in the fire, since he did not like them enough, so I could indeed say that he is - not - a completionist to that extent.
In any case, I still say the amount tries spent on it - especially since that was a capture instead of a fail - was nothing too much. Some spell cards are harder to gain consistency at, but the outcome should also be good - you should feel good after achieving something you have worked hard for.
If I could change history and make it so that I did my SFN shit or any scoring shit on the first try, I would not change it, since it would really take something away. I have had a lot of memorable moments while playing, much less while reaching something.
I said this already a bit earlier in here, but it is not the goal, it is the journey.
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If it's the only thing you haven't done then completionism can easily get in the way of rationality.
DS 10-4, Hatate says hi.
I said this already a bit earlier in here, but it is not the goal, it is the journey.
SA lunatic mostly blind 1cc says hi.
Parents ruining any chance of a perfect timeout of Youmu's first card says hi. <---Actual rage
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Only 243? I took 321. Seriously, you have no right to complain.
(http://imgh.us/041912.png)
I timed it out before I captured it because Sanae is that weak. <_<
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DS 10-4, Hatate says hi.
That scene with that girl was a lot of fun, what are you talking about? :V
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If I could change history and make it so that I did my SFN shit or any scoring shit on the first try, I would not change it, since it would really take something away.
Well, I'd draw the line somewhere? (http://i.imgur.com/YKRIQ.png)
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Well, I'd draw the line somewhere? (http://i.imgur.com/YKRIQ.png)
Uhh, yeah. Me too. 17000 shots on that thing is a lot of pain. Was it 90FPS?
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Uhh, yeah. Me too. 17000 shots on that thing is a lot of pain. Was it 90FPS?
No, speedrunning. Even the littlest bad positioning can ruin milking the green explosions for base points/extra charge, so it took a while to find the best path. <_<
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What the hell?...
Well uhh, i hope you found it rewarding then. Oh and great job with the persistence.
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(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6gkfdsWNR1r6ui98o1_500.png)
Died to the first set of red waves :colonveeplusalpha:
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oh god Eirin why your boss battle so hard when your last word isn't
I thought IN was supposed to be one of the easier games ; -;
Edit: And is it just me, or is Keine unusually, painfully hard for a stage 3 boss? Her noncards are relentless, and her spellcards either force you to move around a lot, require micrograzing, or both
Edit+: I wish Keine's history was erased
Edit++: Okay, no, I'm done trying to do hard with Marisa + Alice. I'll do it with Reimu solo when I unlock her and call it a day. So tired of this bullshit.
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Fuck you Kogasa. You and your cliphappy jellybean spewing umbrella. You and your annoying as hell horizontal rainstorm. You and your spinny laser umbrella spokes. C'mon. You even clip me with Reimu! :colonveeplusalpha:
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But 200 attempts is like 3h at max ;___; How could someone get frustrated about such a small amount of hours while doing something they liked?
If you did not like it, then why did you do it?
Don't get me wrong, I love that spellcard. I also love Seiga's theme, Old Yuanshen (Seeing it so many times from the fact that I took breaks made me learn the name.)
But once it hit a point where I had to check my attempt count with the spellcard select screen when I felt like it, I started to think strategy and eventually got it.
It's just Ace falling apart right after winning finally. When I clear TD Lunatic, I'm going to do the same thing.
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Another attempt at EoSD 1cc Normal failed... by derping at Patchouli's fight, no less! All because I fail at deathbombing in EoSD.
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Aw jeez. I went into Yuyuko 3/3. I even told myself to bomb everything.
First death: Died to her opener, thus losing the 3 bombs.
Second death: Died to her second spell because I'm way too chicken to dodge through the bubbles.
Third death: To a bubble bullet during her knives spell. How?
The kicker is, of course, that the only bomb I actually used was during the tail end of her opener. So basically I wasted 7 "free" non-spells/spells. Sigh.
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Aw jeez. I went into Yuyuko 3/3. I even told myself to bomb everything.
First death: Died to her opener, thus losing the 3 bombs.
Second death: Died to her second spell because I'm way too chicken to dodge through the bubbles.
Third death: To a bubble bullet during her knives spell. How?
The kicker is, of course, that the only bomb I actually used was during the tail end of her opener. So basically I wasted 7 "free" non-spells/spells. Sigh.
Holy shit. Are you me? I died in the same way(s) when I reached Yuyuko 3/3 :V
I let it go for like 2 months... And then went and 1cc'ed it first try. Anyway, it's just about taking no risks. You can do it if you have gone so far.
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Progress Sign: LFS
I am so angry. I am so angry. I am so angry. I am so angry.
I. CAN'T. BEAT. THE. PRESSURE.
I died on Murasa's first nonspell's first wave.
I died on Shou's Aura of Justice or whatever, with full bombs, because I forgot to move down.
I died to Byakuren's third nonspell after finishing it off because I moved down for no reason.
I died to Stage 6 NON-Nue portion because I failed to see all the bullets.
I didn't collect a single bomb from the stage aside from the first one because I was too scared.
I died to LFS with two bombs in stock because I failed to see a slow, blue amulet moving from the side.
I'm good enough to clear, that's obvious. It's the pressure that always lowers my ~skill level~ drastically. I can't.. even.. wow.
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>SA Lunatic with ReimuB
Wait what am I even doing. Of course this isn't gonna get me far at all, with those "homing bullets" (lol homing (do I have to emphasize even more?)) and the low damage she does. If you want to up the ante, there you go.
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Hmm, after all my practice with perfecting IN 4a, I should probably work on IN 4b! Let's do a practice run just to see how far I can go?
*doesn't capture Final Master Spark*
(http://myfacewhen.com/images/3.png)
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I don't know how to (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=22243) Remilia (http://i.imgur.com/5NomC.jpg)
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*Is about to break 800m in Mountain of Faith Normal*
*TORNADO SIRENS*
...Well-played, Kanako. Well-played.
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Holy shit. Are you me? I died in the same way(s) when I reached Yuyuko 3/3 :V
I let it go for like 2 months... And then went and 1cc'ed it first try. Anyway, it's just about taking no risks. You can do it if you have gone so far.
Thanks for the encouragement :D. It'll just come down to not derping terribly on the first four stages, then using all my resources to bomb through most of Youmu/Yuyuko. Nerves and all, especially when I'm in danger of wasting bombs :ohdear:
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Thanks for the encouragement :D. It'll just come down to not derping terribly on the first four stages, then using all my resources to bomb through most of Youmu/Yuyuko. Nerves and all, especially when I'm in danger of wasting bombs :ohdear:
Yeah the feeling that you will waste bombs sucks. It doesn't let you dodge freely. I felt that at Yuyuko's infamous knife nonspell... If I wasn't 3/0 at the time I faced it I might have lost like 3 bombs to it. Many close dodges were had there, where I would surely have bombed, if I had any bombs :V
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(http://i.imgur.com/NKP3c.png)
I...
I broke a border to the third card.
Fucking.
Fuck.
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Serious question to people who have more experience with fighting games - is SWR actually a good game, as in, good controls and what not?
I'm not particularly good at fighting games, but more often than not, the controls feel outright horrible to me. I cannot even begin to understand why I need to wait for my character to turn around once I dash past my opponent. I dash past the opponent, attack too early because I simply don't have the goddamn time to wait because the screen will be filled with lightning again in one second, the attack goes into nothing. I then need to graze again, but, guess what, I still don't have time to wait, so I instinctively push again and move towards my opponent, because that will allow me to dash and survive the lightning. Right? Wrong. I still hadn't turned around and jumped back instead, so the lightning gets to grill me.
I know that many bad experiences with this game are a result of my lack of competence as far as fighting games are concerned, but as it is I really can't bring myself to have fun. I can ace Stages 1-4 and still get my ass handed to me because of the controls at key parts in Stages 5 and 6. I'll just be happy when this is over, but as it is, this game really is no fun at all. IaMP was a lot more fun in most of these areas.
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I had the reverse problem.
IaMP was slow, sluggish and all around shitty while SWR felt more responsive and fluid and thus, more fun to play.
Since I refuse to believe that any fighting game could be made with such fleeting disregard for player input, I reckon this is probably some kind of input lag issue or whatever.
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tewi
i tried to time out ancient duper
for a few hours
and i can safely say
you do not deserve to exist
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I had the reverse problem.
IaMP was slow, sluggish and all around shitty while SWR felt more responsive and fluid and thus, more fun to play.
Since I refuse to believe that any fighting game could be made with such fleeting disregard for player input, I reckon this is probably some kind of input lag issue or whatever.
I agree that SWR is more fluid, but that's all the more reason why this delay when turning around is an absolute gamebreaker. Such a mechanic has no place in controls that are supposed to be fluid. The problem was already there in IaMP and I'm not going to claim that IaMP had controls that were great, but the game did not require the moves it expects you to perform in SWR, despite that delay.
Of course, it might just be that my timing is wrong or I'm doing things in the wrong way, but I really don't understand why this delay has to be there in the first place.
Edit: I admit that I exaggerated since you'll still be fine while grazing if you get the timing right. I just question why that's necessary in the first place, seems like an unnecessary hold up to me.
Edit: I think a lot of frustration also stems from the fact that a lot of stuff that worked in IaMP doesn't work anymore, though I'm slowly getting used to that now.
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tewi
i tried to time out ancient duper
for a few hours
and i can safely say
you do not deserve to exist
Someone (Seppo? I forgot) timed out Saigyouji Flawless Nirvana without focusing as Youmu. If that's possible, so is this. I believe you can do it.
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Oh yeah, NOW I remember why I stopped attempting IN Lunatic eons ago.
Not because it was beyond my ability, because it was beyond my PATIENCE. Why must this be the most infuriating thing ever conceived. EoSD is less annoying, and I'm playing EoSD without vsync.
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Oh yeah, NOW I remember why I stopped attempting IN Lunatic eons ago.
Not because it was beyond my ability, because it was beyond my PATIENCE. Why must this be the most infuriating thing ever conceived. EoSD is less annoying, and I'm playing EoSD without vsync.
...Do I really play IN that much?
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>IN Normal, Final B
>Kaguya's last spell card, Rainbow Danmaku (not the Last Spell cards)
>No extra lives and no bombs
>Walls self in
:getdown:
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Hmm, a near perfect of PCB stage 3 Lunatic. I messed up at Alice's first boss non-spell but everything else was top-notch. At least I'm getting somewhere. :D
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Hmm, a near perfect of PCB stage 3 Lunatic. I messed up at Alice's first boss non-spell but everything else was top-notch. At least I'm getting somewhere. :D
That one's easy compared to her other attacks, just keep at it and you're bound to get the perfect sometime.
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>Eight failed recordings of LLS' Extra Stage
HA HA HA HA HA LET'S JUST FUCKING SCREW UP EVERYTHING
I UP AND SCREAMED FUCK WHEN I DIED TO THE ELECTRIC ORBS THAT HOME IN ON YOUR LOCATION AND SHOOT AWAY FROM YOU AND I WANT TO GIVE ZUN WHAT FOR FOR MAKING THAT BULLSHIT EXTRA STAGE
If I don't show Gengetsu Rape Time at the very least, I'm going to fucking flip because it'll be on my god damn conscience for the rest of my jolly-good god-damned two-timed fuckwit life that I can't even clear Touhou 4's fucking extra stage!
Ten fucking Desires is still on my conscience and it hurts.
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I. Hate. Yuyuko's. Knives. Non-spell.
And it isn't even the knives that are giving me trouble. It's the freaking bubble bullets. I don't know how, but I consistently clip those damn things. I don't understand it. It's lead to so many accidental deaths argghhh. It's even more frustrating because I KNOW it's static, and thus there should be a movement pattern that works every single time to capture it with minimal risk. Blarg. This is the only time in PCB where bubble bullets seem to threaten me in any way too. Sigh. God I really should open up a replay and find a safer route through the damn thing... I don't care how long it takes. Damn this non-spell.
Also, 3 deaths with full bombs to the Primsriver sisters ended my latest 1cc run. WHY? I still had 3 full lives ahead of me too... And the deaths weren't even to reasonable stuff like their final spell card. They were all to Lyrica's AIMED non-spells. What.
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Hmm, a near perfect of PCB stage 3 Lunatic. I messed up at Alice's first boss non-spell but everything else was top-notch. At least I'm getting somewhere. :D
Wow, that's pretty damn good, I've never even captured her first Spellcard.
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Not once
but twice did I die trying to do hard mode Reimu solo in IN
why last word why ; _;
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Can't even do UFO stage 2 adequately and fucking game over'd on stage 3 of PCB. All on lunatic.
A massively long break from Touhou is not good! especially playing a game that i haven't touched in ages i.e. PCB
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MARISA YOU FILTHY SYPHILITIC BITCH!!! WHY WOULD YOU KICK ME WHEN I HAD 4 BOMBS AND HAD BEEN NO-MISSING HARD SO FAR?!?!?
I thought only Wriggle did that... It happened right before the final fight with her. That run had been going too well, such a shame.
Also: 4 LIVES LOST TO KAGUYA?? ALL SPELLS FAILED?? Went in her fight 5/1, came out 1/3. I suck at this shit. :ohdear:
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Derped to Double Spark on a so-far perfect IN 4b run, tried it in spell practice a few times to get used to it, 6/28. I was never this bad at it.
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Gah. Why am I so terribly bad at Shoot the Bullet? Can't even pass scene 3-1.
*sulks* :fail:
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>Trying to time out Ancient Duper
>Dies at 00 seconds left
GOD DAMMIT TEWI
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ATTN: IN Stages 3, 4b, 5
RE: that one part I always die to
Why?
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I seem to suck really hard at IN. The only reason I can clear it is because it gives you tons of resources to work with.
But something like Fantasy Heaven... What am I supposed to do with those last few waves?
I... I just don't...
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(http://images.wikia.com/touhou/images/e/ea/Shou2.png)
>.>
Curvy lasers aren't fun.
At all.
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Tried MoF Hard with MarisaC after a long time of not trying it for fun. Silly deaths galore!
And Aya.
Time to really practice MoF again I guess.
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Been trying to 1cc Touhou 11 on Lunatic with MarisaA for days, after a couple of hours break I decide to try again on a whim. Get to stage 6 with loads and loads of lives (should've gotten with even more, but I did a stupid), something ticks in my head which says "bomb, bomb everything, just bomb it all" so I'm okay with that (bye bye Orin). Get to Utsuho's final spell with 1 life, bombs away, right? Sure, I'm MarisaA, I have all the bombs in the world! Wait, what, I died...? With loads of power...? :colonveeplusalpha:
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=22295 (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=22295)
Why must I keep doing a stupid all the time :(
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Welp, can't get past Stage 1 on EoSD Lunatic without dying :derp:
I'll try again when I'm tired
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Kaguya.
Fuck you.
(Ruined a perfect of IN easy by having me bomb twice.)
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On a 4b perfect run.
I died to Shoot the Moon.
Why.
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I ALWAYS can't beat Stage 4 on Touhou 13 on Easy. Same with Stage 2 on Touhou 12. I DON'T GET WHY GOD HELP ME ;_ ;
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I ALWAYS can't beat Stage 4 on Touhou 13 on Easy. Same with Stage 2 on Touhou 12. I DON'T GET WHY GOD HELP ME ;_ ;
You have replays?
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Died to Mountain of Faith normal at 90 fps when I literally could not see the bosses health anymore. Feels bad man, feels REAL bad.
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Not particularly a rage, but I've found that I don't really have much fun with PoFV just fighting against computers (It's the same case in any of the fighting games)
so I've decided I'm going to move on to StB, I already 1cc'd Normal, so that should be fine. I may or may not look back on my decision sometime
when I decide I want to play through PoFV fully.
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Died to Mountain of Faith normal at 90 fps when I literally could not see the bosses health anymore. Feels bad man, feels REAL bad.
I failed capturing Scarlet Gensokyo like three times because I decided that bombing on the last frame of health is cool.
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>attempt to do TD normal
>die to stage 1 stray red ball at the end of stage
>try again
>die to stage 1 fairy
>try again
>die to stage 1 stray red ball
>try again
>die to stage 1 fairy
>try again
>die to stage 1 midboss ram
>try again
>die to yuyuko butterfly in third spell
>rage quit
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Oh fucking hell I am rusty. I failed the First Last Spell within IN. Geez.
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Fucking...hell.
1D0B Marine Benefit Normal. Perfected the first 5 stages, was already shaking, that was probably why I got hit.
At least I died to Heretic's Existence and not something stupid like the last phase of Marine Benefit (hilariously enough that very nearly happened).
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Sanae in 12.3 feels so incredibly clunky and slow compared to Reimu, I hate getting used to different characters. Feels like that one time I had to clear the Story Mode in BlazBlue with Carl Clover without his doll because I couldn't use it to save my life.
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>attempt to do TD normal
>die to stage 1 stray red ball at the end of stage
>try again
>die to stage 1 fairy
>try again
>die to stage 1 stray red ball
>try again
>die to stage 1 fairy
>try again
>die to stage 1 midboss ram
>try again
>die to yuyuko butterfly in third spell
>rage quit
Happens to all of us.
Restarting stage 1 is the bane of my existence :D
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ESPECIALLY SA STAGE 1 GODDAMMIT STOP KILLING ME KISUMEYAMAMEFAIRIESROCKSSSS
IT FEELS LIKE I'VE DONE 1500 LUNATIC ATTEMPTS BUT MY SPELL CARD HISTORIES FOR STAGE 2 ARE X/5
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If SA Stage 1 gives you trouble for some reason, just wait for UFO Stage 1...
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If SA Stage 1 gives you trouble for some reason, just wait for UFO Stage 1...
With the boss included. And hey. If you exclude Nazrin's last spell, UFO stage 1 is pretty sane, if I remember correctly.
Or maybe it's because my need to collect all the items is somehow quenched while I'm playing UFO.
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>Mess up UFO route slightly
>RESTART
Also, my record for Nazrin's first spell is surprisingly low for some reason.
SA is pretty liberal in general, taking into account near-unlimited bombs and ReimuA's instant transmission. UFO is the polar opposite.
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>Mess up UFO route slightly
>RESTART
Also, my record for Nazrin's first spell is surprisingly low for some reason.
It's pretty crazy how Nazrin's first spell goes from being absolutely no threat on hard mode to "why can't I stay alive?" status on lunatic. Well, for me at least.
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If SA Stage 1 gives you trouble for some reason, just wait for UFO Stage 1...
SA has the hardest stage 1 BY FAR if you're going for 3.00+ power before Yamame.
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The stage is absolutely laughable once you teleport a lot, and even when you don't, coasting from one side to the other and grabbing the power items inbetween isn't so hard. Heck, it's way more fun and laid-back (at the same time) than most things you get to do at the early parts of these games.
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Even without Reimu-A, it's just grazing, and the path isn't really particularly hard to memorize or execute. Unless, of course, you absolutely insist on grazing the huge fairies because it looks cool.
On another note, couldn't they just have left out goddamn flying in 10.5 and 12.3? I thought Reimu's controls were awkward and hindered my ability to carelessly jump without having to worry about flying by accident, but Sanae's controls are atrocious, Jesus Christ, worst flying experience since Microsoft Flight Simulator. I seriously hope this gets better once I've got the hang of it.
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SA has the hardest stage 1 BY FAR if you're going for 3.00+ power before Yamame.
THIS IS MY POINT. And then there is Yamame too who is no slouch at all, and rapes you with her frigging opener, of all things.
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Ha ha ha... Very funny Mokou...
My old high score was 1.35 billion points.
My score that I got was 1.30 billion points.
Just great. I suck at every Extra Stage when it comes to scoring except the most trivial of them all, which doesn't even have that much in note.
LOVELY. FUCKING GOD DAMN LOVELY.
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ESPECIALLY SA STAGE 1 GODDAMMIT STOP KILLING ME KISUMEYAMAMEFAIRIESROCKSSSS
IT FEELS LIKE I'VE DONE 1500 LUNATIC ATTEMPTS BUT MY SPELL CARD HISTORIES FOR STAGE 2 ARE X/5
I had somewhere around 100 with a stage 2 boss history of X/1 when I 1cced lunatic.
You may all hate me.
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Goddammit Remi
I don't care if you have charisma, 7-2 should have never existed
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Played some Ten Desires, most my deaths were from fairies coming in randomly while I collect spirits! Annoying! :(
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Played some Ten Desires, most my deaths were from fairies coming in randomly while I collect spirits! Annoying! :(
Stop being greedy, greed takes lives. Mainly yours.
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I hate when I am just playing Touhou and then my computer goes like "LOL UR DEAD NAOW" and it minimizes the window, when I didn't click the minimize button. GRAH
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@Esu: As far as I'm aware, IN Extra scoring is hardly the most trivial. Lots of supergrazing and stuff. Compare it to UFO or MoF, where you mostly just perfect things.
Edit: Oh, nevermind. I misread what you said. :V
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http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=22346
Just did Stage 4 of PCB Hard atrociously and played like an absolute f***ing spanner f'ing up basic streaming and having all sorts of crap play.
Entered Stage 4 with 5 lives, 2 bombs. Used 4 lives and 4 bombs on the stage then 3 lives and 4 bombs on the Pris. Sisters.
:colonveeplusalpha:
Oh but I did do Lily White and the very last fairy without an issue >_>
Stage 5 was horrid too but not as bad. Though I can't do Stage 5 anyway.
So basically, f*** me. :colonveeplusalpha: again.
Need to use stage practice for once >_>
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The moment I close PCB, I do not expect to see a BSOD requiring a force-shutdown. When I reload PCB, I do not expect to see my score.dat wiped out.
Well, you suck, Hourglass.
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The moment I close PCB, I do not expect to see a BSOD requiring a force-shutdown. When I reload PCB, I do not expect to see my score.dat wiped out.
Well, you suck, Hourglass.
Lets all have a moment of silence for that poor score.dat file...
:fail: :fail: :fail:
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[attach=1]
WHY EIKI WHYYYYYYY
AND I STARTED THAT FIGHT WITH AN EXTRA LIFE TT_TT
I WAS GETTING SO MUCH BETTER *sob*
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The moment I close PCB, I do not expect to see a BSOD requiring a force-shutdown. When I reload PCB, I do not expect to see my score.dat wiped out.
Well, you suck, Hourglass.
That sucks, but you should really back it up. This has actually come in handy at least once, about a month ago my TD score.dat got bugged or something and most of the stuff was deleted, but I salvaged almost everything.
http://i.imgur.com/hoBdt.png
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Only score.dat lost in any game was my original IN score.dat I don't know why it happens.
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Perfect midboss Reimu (hard, I want to perfect all bosses on hard now), immediately followed by:
Failing Reimu's last spell with so little health left
Failing Tewi to the first red bullet
Failing Reisen's 2nd nospell by moving up into a bullet
Failing Eirin's first spell by backing into a bullet
Getting Eirin kicked in 6B
Failing all of Kaguya's spells in some retarded way, except her first last spell
Man I suck this morning.
EDIT: So I figured maybe the other games would be nicer.
SA: WHY THE HELL IS DBDB HARDER ON HARD THAN ON LUNATIC, ruined 2 perfects of the whole stage.
Trying to get a decent MarisaB run, double Yuugi death. Screw this game, only higlight was a capture of Okuu's first on hard.
UFO: Ichirin's opener is BS.
Shou's opener is BS.
Murasa's 2nd spell is BS because dark blue bullets on a dark blue background is ew.
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I don't think I need to say anything. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkoFxCFq9gM)
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No.
I was that close.
I had a lot of resources.. well, at least, compared to usual, for Byakuren's fight.
And I actually made it to Byakuren's final spell, albeit, I only had 2 lives and a bomb left.
I was shaking - maybe I could do this! I could just bomb the crap out of her and win!
But then..
I realized that bombing on the last spell didn't deal damage to Byakuren.
And I was like
;_;
So, I died pretty quickly after realizing that unfortunate news.
Then I lost my last life, after using the 2 bombs given when you die with less than 2 bombs in stock already.
And.. that was the end of that particular run.
I was THAT close.
I'm still shaking xD
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9-1 for StB
These hitboxes seem like they have minds of their own
and so that's when I decided I'm not going to 100% StB anymore
or at least, for now, I need a break from StB, I might move on to MoF early
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Dying to the easiest final spell in the easiest difficulty in the easiest game in the series which is one of the easiest of its kind at your last life is not funny :ohdear:
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Dying to the easiest final spell in the easiest difficulty in the easiest game in the series which is one of the easiest of its kind at your last life is not funny :ohdear:
And which game was that?
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Oh hell, maybe I'm just having a bad day, I just had a semi-okay hard run right up until I lost my remaining 2 of 3 lives to
Kanako's starting noncard and spellcard, and then halfway through the final life :derp:
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I have played UFO Lunatic ~1800 times.
w/ Reimu A:
Rod Sign "Busy Rod" - 149/177
Defense Sign "Pendulum Guard" - 19/62
Monster Train "Spare Umbrella Express Night Carnival" - 1/29
UFO earlygame is so demotivating and bad. I had plenty motivation to grab that clear today. Now, after twenty minutes of restarting, I don't.
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I died three times on Ichirin.
e: I died three times between Stage 5 midNazrin and Shou. MY GODDDDD
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UFO Stage 3 and 4 is officially declared a rapist
STOP KILLING ME
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I have played UFO Lunatic ~1800 times.
w/ Reimu A:
Rod Sign "Busy Rod" - 149/177
Defense Sign "Pendulum Guard" - 19/62
Monster Train "Spare Umbrella Express Night Carnival" - 1/29
UFO earlygame is so demotivating and bad. I had plenty motivation to grab that clear today. Now, after twenty minutes of restarting, I don't.
(http://i47.tinypic.com/fx5k5y.png)
not enough restarts
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>not enough restarts
>1227 and 370 as opposed to my 1880 and 177
:V
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How to Hourglass? I open, for example, th07e.exe and press "Run and Record New Movie", and it says "The game crashed...". I was looking forward to Spell Practice in every Touhou game >:(
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How to Hourglass? I open, for example, th07e.exe and press "Run and Record New Movie", and it says "The game crashed...". I was looking forward to Spell Practice in every Touhou game >:(
I think it only works on XP.........
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What about Windows XP Compatibility Mode?
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Odd... PCB works fine for me in Hourglass, even though I'm on Windows 7 x64. UFO, on the other hand, runs at 75 FPS for me in Hourglass for no apparent reason. (it runs normally outside, mind you)
Anyway... While I was attempting to clear 8-6 in DS, an UAC prompt shows up out of complete nowhere. It was the freaking Java updater.
I hate such ways to interrupt a game like this.
(note: I cleared it after several attempts, it's the part about the UAC prompt that made me rage)
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God fucking damn it. Been up trying to no focus timeout Fujiyama Volcano at 90 fps with Youmu/Yuyu for the last 6 hours and 20-ish minutes and the best I've done is 6 seconds left.
FUCK!
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=22377
It's now 5:48 AM and I'm dead tired (have been for a while now which is so~ not helping) but it's so damn addictive. Can't believe how hard 90 fps makes it when it wasn't anywhere near this hard before.
Either way, fuck my crappiness
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:colonveeplusalpha:
my reaction to constantly ruining runs on stages 1-3, no matter how well I do the bullets always seem to magically go exactly where I don't want them to be
I think I should just stop trying for a while, there's no doubt that I can do Hard mode, but for some reason I've been extremely clumsy or unlucky
the past few days
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Never mind about Hourglass, I figured it out, and it was something really dumb too. I pasted the actual program onto desktop instead of a shortcut, so it was missing some of the needed files :derp:
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Damnit.
Why do I have to be so obsessive? Can't I just say "this card is terrible" and get on with my damn life?
But no. Because I'm so close to timing out this shit, something just compels me to keep going.
What do I mean by "this shit"? Game of Rising.
Hey let's make a card where the player is forced to constantly take advantage of bubble and metal fatigue hitboxes in order to survive (and sometimes it really seems like they magically expand their hitboxes when they feel like pissing me off). Then let's box the player into a tiny space so they can't move away from the danger zones. And let's make everything practically impossible to SEE!
For fuck's sake, Charming Siege is less stupid than this. What the hell was ZUN thinking on this one? I mean, what, was he sober or something?
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Wow IN and PCB Lunatic have nothing on MoF. I've been clipped more times than I can count, and often times I can't even tell HOW I'm getting clipped. The abundance of stupid popcorn and diamond bullets is just driving me insane. I've gotten so paranoid that I bomb the instant I see small gaps, but even that doesn't stop the clipping from just ruining my day. Gosh the spell card design in MoF feels so different from PCB and IN too. Sigh this lunatic is going to take a while... A long while...
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Wow IN and PCB Lunatic have nothing on MoF. I've been clipped more times than I can count, and often times I can't even tell HOW I'm getting clipped. The abundance of stupid popcorn and diamond bullets is just driving me insane. I've gotten so paranoid that I bomb the instant I see small gaps, but even that doesn't stop the clipping from just ruining my day. Gosh the spell card design in MoF feels so different from PCB and IN too. Sigh this lunatic is going to take a while... A long while...
oh my god
I thought it was just me and my bad luck ; _;
I'm only playing on hard but I die all over the place, and while I was able to do PCB's hard mode in one try and do IN hard with like 4 lives left, the only way I was able to beat hard was to bomb literally everything
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MarisaB for the SA scoring challenge? I've never used her that much, but let's see what kind of score I can get on Normal.
*fails to clear Stage 5*
:colonveeplusalpha:
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Welp, that was a bad SA run, on Normal. I'm pretty sure I bombed right before those things hit me
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10D Normal, playing with Marisa, derped a few times but manages to reach Miko , with no extra lives nor bombs.
Then I died at the first spellcard from the balls. :fail:
Was really pissed at that time that I didn't bother to wait for my divine spirit meter to diminish and exited the game.
GRR dayum Resource-collecting OCD!
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oh my god
I thought it was just me and my bad luck ; _;
I'm only playing on hard but I die all over the place, and while I was able to do PCB's hard mode in one try and do IN hard with like 4 lives left, the only way I was able to beat hard was to bomb literally everything
With PCB and IN, it feels like memorization eliminates or trivializes a lot of cards/non-spells. With MoF though, you really just need good dodging skills. At least you get tons of bombs right?
Also the fact that Reimu's movements seem to feel "jerkier" to me on MoF doesn't help at all. It feels like she moves too fast when focused, thus leading to a lot of deaths where I can see the path I need to go through, but the tap I need to make her go through that path makes her collide into the bullet a pixel to the side. So frustrating.
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Reimu is faster in the newer games, yes. You shouldn't have problems with control, though, since the system is actually more polished.
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Today I shall return from Austria. I shall finally know the joys of my normal computer again. For here there exists only one type of keyboard: the QWERTZ that can not register more than two keys at once.
Which really is a liability. I hope all the embarrassing failures on SA (Can't even get to the boss of stage 3) are due to the keyboard and not to me.
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"Oh yeah I'll just get one more attempt at MoF in before I go to bed."
>Get to Stage 4 with 5 lives
>Clip bullet
>Run into bullet
>Clip another one
>Die twice to Aya's final spell card.
So angry.
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God, what started as a good run ended really badly when I lost all of my lives on Stage 4 and Stage 5 due to clipdeaths and clumsy reactions
I might just need some time to get used to the system the later games have or something. After what Tsym and BM mentioned, I'm really beginning to notice that the slight increase in speed is probably causing the miscalculations which feel like clipdeaths and all of the other clumsiness.
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Somewhat late reply, but:
(http://i47.tinypic.com/fx5k5y.png)
not enough restarts
>not enough restarts
>1227 and 370 as opposed to my 1880 and 177
:V
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee487/KarisaMirisame/th12lsbhist120708.png)
Don't forget that "Times Used" in Touhou 10+ includes all difficulty levels combined, though.
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I counted everyone together (so ReimuA and SanaeB mostly) and subtracted what I estimated was ~everything else~ when I said ~1800. 1880 is my exact number with ReimuA, the one I posted the records for.
That's a lot, though. :o
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Threw my chair again, starting to hate 12.3 for its parts that have fake difficulty and bullshit written all over them.
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Got boss bodyslammed for the first time I can remember... by boss Marisa of all people
And then in the SAME RUN I somehow got FinalA and FinalB mixed up, when I was supposed to be unlocking Kaguya's Lunatic cards. I guess I subconsciously thought of A as being "main" and B being "secondary", so A should be Kaguya. In the opening of Stage 6A, I did my usual Kaguya stage safespot without really looking at the number of fairies, and died, of course, since I was doing it for the wrong stage. I was like "wut? that was strange", and then the fairies starting spawning with the curling bullet patterns instead of the bullets going straight down, and I was like "oh... >:(". Wasted 30 minutes because of a stupid mixup. And I barely missed the 1100 point item extend before I lost my last life because of less point items, too, although I don't really care because I wasn't expecting a 1cc anyways.
Oh, and Eirin is impossible for me. Just impossible. Remilia and Kaguya ain't shit compared to the great psychotic nurse.
On the, uh, "bright" side, I unlocked Saigyouji Flawless Nirvana, oh boy. Considering how I'm the worst person in the world at Resurrection Butterfly, bar none, with about a 10% chance of surviving a SINGLE red wave on NORMAL mode, this will be fun.
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Oh, and Eirin is impossible for me. Just impossible. Remilia and Kaguya ain't shit compared to the great psychotic nurse.
On the, uh, "bright" side, I unlocked Saigyouji Flawless Nirvana, oh boy. Considering how I'm the worst person in the world at Resurrection Butterfly, bar none, with about a 10% chance of surviving a SINGLE red wave on NORMAL mode, this will be fun.
You can beat SFN by literally not moving at all (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yMV7L7idqc&t=0m25s).
Just throwing that out there.
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SFN was made to be timed out, only then can you see it in it's full beauty.
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Shou: *Trollface* Problem?
Aya: FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=22393 (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=22393)
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Never mind about Hourglass, I figured it out, and it was something really dumb too. I pasted the actual program onto desktop instead of a shortcut, so it was missing some of the needed files :derp:
Question (really for anyone): I can get it to open the game, but I can't get it to savestate without crashing.
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SFN was made to be timed out, only then can you see it in it's full beauty.
If you can see anything at that stage, sure. :V
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If you can see anything at that stage, sure. :V
I could. And it was amazing. Go do it already.
SFN was made to be timed out, only then can you see it in it's full beauty.
Next up, the no-movement timeout challenge. :V
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You can beat SFN by literally not moving at all (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yMV7L7idqc&t=0m25s).
Just throwing that out there.
OK, now what are the odds of that lol. And part of my motivation of doing SFN, other than my goal of capturing every spellcard in IN, was to get good at Resurrection Butterfly.
You were doing MAlice cannon wrong btw, you're supposed to tap shift and let go as soon as possible with a certain beat, not switch between holding shift and not holding shift with a certain beat. It works because Alice's shot stays out for quite a few frames with one tap. Just throwing that out there.
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Next up, the no-movement timeout challenge. :V
ON! You are so on!
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OH MY GOD. Died to VoWG right as it was exploding. I hate myself so much. One too many clipdeaths... Just one too many argghdsajfda.
Out of all the cards in MoF, VoWG and PWG seem the furthest out of my current skill level. I think it's time to grind through Kanako until I can near perfect her. The only real trouble spots are Yamato Torus, Source of Rains when it decides to throw some really bad walls my way, and VoWG. Arrrgghhh I was soooo close...
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I have no clue if this is an accomplishment or something to RAGE over.
1DNB lunatic Utsuho. The death was to her 2nd spell, because I unfocused a split second too late.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=22403
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I have no clue if this is an accomplishment or something to RAGE over.
Both. <_<
Keep it up, you're bound to get it sometime. Have you perfected any other stage 6s?
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Both. <_<
Keep it up, you're bound to get it sometime. Have you perfected any other stage 6s?
I'm not really caring about the stage parts for the most part, and I have not perfected any stage 6 boss on lunatic (and the only one I've done on hard is Kanako).
The other thing is that was a pretty random run-My histories on Utsuho are out of 7 I think :V
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You were doing MAlice cannon wrong btw, you're supposed to tap shift and let go as soon as possible with a certain beat, not switch between holding shift and not holding shift with a certain beat. It works because Alice's shot stays out for quite a few frames with one tap. Just throwing that out there.
Read the description of the video. I understand how to do it perfectly well, it's just totally impossible to do it when you have the game speed set to 300 FPS because you have to tap Shift inhumanely quickly.
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Oh OK, my bad :V. So how many attempts did that take you?
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Ya, it's very easy to mess up SA, especially when you're going for graze :colonveeplusalpha:
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*perfects entire stage portion of IN 6a for the first time*
Oh yeah, I feel good about this run!
*dies to exactly the second bullet wave of Genealogy*
*tries to supergraze blue walls in Game of Rising, dies before red bullets arrive*
*dies to Omoikane's Brain before first familiar leaves*
*dies to Apollo 13's second wave*
*clips a bullet in Astronomical Entombing before Eirin hits half health*
*dies to the red waves in Hourai Elixir*
On the bright side, I ended with a score of 0335335330. <_<
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>gave up on 1ccing PoFV Hard a while ago
>LET'S GO LUNATIC
>reach Shiki with 2 extra lives
5 minutes later
>OH GOD
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ON! You are so on!
I already said it to Zengeku on IRC, but this is not doable. It gets dense enough to kill you if you are too high on the screen.
Also timing it without movement (from the bottom) before actually timing it out would make me very very angry.
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Shikieiki with 2 extra lives again. Is this even possible? :(
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Shikieiki with 2 extra lives again. Is this even possible? :(
Yes.
Although my 1cc with Marisa died 4 times to her IIRC :V
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Oh fucking hell.
Hourglass now completely refuses to work for pretty much no reason.
If I was going to get a BoLaD timeout before, I'm certainly not now.
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I want to cry so bad at the moment. Shit hell fucking... fuck.
(http://i.imgur.com/Td8xv.png)
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Do not despair: sweet revenge shall be had. Sweet, sweet revenge.
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Trying to get a 1cc of PCB normal with default lives, with ReimuA because feeling lazy about the stages.
Entering stage 6 with 6 extra lives.
"Ok, that's like my best run so far, what could possibly go wrong ? I will play it safe and bomb everything I don't feel"
Dies to midboss Youmu's nonspell twice.
Dies to Yuyuko's opener twice.
Captures first spell.
Dies to bubbles-wall nonspell.
Dies to second spell twice.
And not a single bomb was given that day...
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After perfecting boss Eirin except her first two cards, long thought the easiest, I go to spell practice to try them out a bit more and get about a 1/3 rate in both. They were never this hard <_<
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HIOPHIOGHERIOPHERIOPGHNERIOP
I'm still as good as EVER when I haven't played Touhou in three days, RIGHT?
I fucking died TWICE TO RAN'S THIRD FUCKING NONSPELL
AND I DIDN'T EVEN SAVE A REPLAY FOR OZZY'S THREAD
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Marisa A Replay (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=22422)
Sigh, I cleared it, but.. I just completely lost my shit after dying twice on Nitori from clipdeath and just decided to bomb every goddamn thing on the planet
I wonder what's up with the control issues from moving over from the old engine to the new one or whatever the hell is causing me to die so much
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UFO hard is hard... (which means Lunatic is a distant star in the sky for me right now :()
6 deaths on stage 5 before I even could reach Shou's 2nd spell... I have beaten the stage with a continue so I'm going to practice it alot, but I just can't read Shou's curvy lasers! I don't think I'll have enough resources if I bomb it all, so grinding it is!
Here's an unhappy replay (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=22423), I had some pretty amazing dodges on stage 5 though (doom fairies!! :o), amidst the steep slope to my demise.
(bah, rewatched the replay, turns out there were 6 deaths on st 5, not 5)
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I don't know how the hell you did it, Shiki, but you managed to make beating you seem more insurmountable than Flandre, Yukari, Mokou and Marisa combined. Congratu-fucking-lations.
Seriously, no AI should be able to dodge that well - much less have access to that many charge attacks that many times in a Goddamn row. I lost to her even with two lives left in stock, and never even landed a hit on the first failed attempt - and this is playing on Normal, of all things. asdfjkl;asdfkj;asldjf; This is fucking insane I don't even know why I'm bothering.
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Seriously, no AI should be able to dodge that well - much less have access to that many charge attacks that many times in a Goddamn row. I lost to her even with two lives left in stock, and never even landed a hit on the first failed attempt - and this is playing on Normal, of all things. asdfjkl;asdfkj;asldjf; This is fucking insane I don't even know why I'm bothering.
This is pretty normal. Just keep at it and eventually she'll go down. I know you can do it!
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This is pretty normal. Just keep at it and eventually she'll go down. I know you can do it!
I know, I know - I just gotta keep at it. It's just kind of demoralizing getting that far and then suddenly having the final boss pull a no-damage clear on your rear. :V Damn it Shiki, at least have the common courtesy to let me get a hit in first!
E: O...kay then. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=22427) I've a feeling this game is just messing with me now. ???
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I sure love running into bullets against Remilia (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=22426)
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Perfect 6A up to Apollo 13's second wave. Would have really been pissed if I didn't fail Hourai Elixir as well. <_<
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Hi Kasumi. Pleasure meeting you, oh, you want to TAKE FOUR OF MY FUCKING LIVES? OKAY.
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Hi Kasumi. Pleasure meeting you, oh, you want to TAKE FOUR OF MY FUCKING LIVES? OKAY.
Sounds more like her stage 6 midboss appearance from experience. <_<
We're limit breaking at the moment, someone care to lock?
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Sure thing~