Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Beyond the Border~ => Rumia's Party Games => Mystia's Stored Games => Topic started by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on November 18, 2011, 04:00:50 AM
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Well, those sign-ups took a grand total of about 5 hours. Let's play some mafiers!
Set-up is F11 (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=F11) (NO WAY REALLY), which could be one of four different things! Read about it on the mafiascum wiki, it's just a click away and I'm not going to waste my time writing up :words: on something you can already easily find out yourself.
Rules!
-I am the mod, meaning that what I say goes. I can alter any of these rules as I see fit. If you don't like it then keep it to yourself until postgame.
-Use Mafia Common Sense. If something seems like it would be against the rules, then it probably is, even if it isn't listed here. This goes for all loopholes as well. In short, don't do things that would piss me off.
-Days are 72 hours long. Nights are 24, but I may choose to end them early if all actions are in and all living players have been online at least once since the night started.
-Votes are to be preceeded by ##s, otherwise they don't count. Bold is appreciated but not required. Likewise, unvoting before voting another player is nice for the mod but not actually necessary.
-Town needs a majority to lynch. If a majority is reached, then the day ends and you are to shut up until I post the flip. If two days end with no majority, then Rocks Falls Everyone Dies, meaning that you lose regardless of your faction.
-Scum are forced to NK. If they don't send in their target then random.org will decide it for them (because Keine-tan is too mainstream on MotK).
-Don't speak with people outside the thread, unless you're scum, in which case you may speak with your buddy during the night and confirmation phase only.
-If you're dead, you're dead. This isn't Graveyard Anonymafia, so there will be no zombie goasts posting in my thread until postgame, not even for bah posts. A graveyard quicktopic will be handed out to you if you die. Don't be an asshole when posting in it.
-Prods will be sent out to players who go 24 hours without posting. If they do not post within 24 hours after the prod is sent then they die horribly.
-Don't quote outside communications with the moderator.
-Don't edit your posts. EBWOPs exist, use them.
-Play to win. Just don't be a dick about it.
Sample role PMs!
You are a Vanilla Townie. You have your word and your vote, and you win when all threats to the town are eliminated. Best of luck.
You are a Town Cop. Each night, you may target one other player to uncover their alignment. Your results are guaranteed to be accurate. You also have your word and your vote, and you win when all threats to the town are eliminated. Best of luck.
You are a Town Doctor. Each night, you may target one other player to protect them from killing actions. You also have your word and your vote, and you win when all threats to the town are eliminated. Best of luck.
You are a Scum Goon. Your scumbuddy is (NAME), who you may speak with in this quicktopic during the confirmation and night phases.
During the night phase, you may go on the factional nightkill to kill another player. You also have your word and your vote. You win when the entire town has been eliminated, or when nothing can prevent the same from happening. Best of luck.
You are a Scum Roleblocker. Your scumbuddy is (NAME), who you may speak with in this quicktopic during the confirmation and night phases.
You have the innate ability to stop one fully functioning member of society from using their role for one night phase by punching them in the gut really hard. If you succesfully stop a night action, then your target will be informed that their role was blocked. You may also go on the factional nightkill to kill another player at night. If your buddy dies, then you may roleblock and kill on the same night. Finally, you also have your word and your vote. You win when the entire town has been eliminated, or when nothing can prevent the same from happening. Best of luck.
Living players:
1. ActionDan
2. J.O.B
4. MySTKing (Conqueror)
6. Serela
7. Shadoweh
8. Tamamo no dorMae (Dormio)
9. WHMZakeri
Resting in peace:
3. Komeiji PX, Vanilla Townie - Lynched Day 1
5. Schezo, Vanilla Townie - Killed Night 1
Removed from the game:
0. None right now, thankfully!
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Role PMs are being sent right now. Be patient. Or else. (job)
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Sent. Go confirm.
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Confirm
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11 seconds new record :V
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OH GOD WHY
I mean confirmations!
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Look at this adorable little thing.
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It can't possibly be evil yet, right?
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Can you lynch this cute face~❤?
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HEll YEah!
/Confirm!!
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Can you lynch this cute face~❤?
##Vig Dormio
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(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/Rise.png) Heya everyone! I hope you're all roaring for a good time, because Risette has come to confirm! All yeah!
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It's okay. Don't worry. I'm here to (ahn♡ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5oOq4S4tbM)) confirm for you~ Okay?
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p sure this thread needs less manly mafia players pretending to be little girls
Anyway, as a heads up, I won't be around to start the game tomorrow until around 4 PM PDT. Probably for the best, all deadline-related things considered. There should hopefully not be any elongated mod absenses after that (aside from sleep).
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(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/Rise2.png) Oh Senpai, stop being such a meanie head! We're just trying to have fun, that's all.
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ohgowha...?
Oh crap, I forgot stuff was happening now, I'm so sorry for being late omigoshomigosh confirmconfirm CONFIRM!
AAAUUGGHH!!!!!!eleven!
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HEY GUUUUUUUUUURLS
...oh jeez you really are all girls aren't you :I
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...oh jeez you really are all girls aren't you :I
I'm a guy ~<3
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p sure this thread needs less manly mafia players pretending to be little girls
>Implying that any of us are manly.
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(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/Rise3.png) Alllllllllllll right, let's get this show on the road!
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welp, got here forty minutes earlier than predicted.
Day 1 has begun! You have until 3:30 PM on November 21st (PDT) to decide on a lynch.
As previously mentioned (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9206.msg749380.html#msg749380), the Flavor of the day is grapes! Enjoy it while it lasts, because if scum wins the game, then everybody will be forced to live in a bleak world where everything tastes like chalk and there are no more delicious foodstuffs for HAL to name Kirby levels after! The horror!
Living players:
1. ActionDan
2. J.O.B
3. Komeiji PX
4. MySTKing (Conqueror)
5. Schezo
6. Serela
7. Shadoweh
8. Tamamo no dorMae (Dormio)
9. WHMZakeri
Resting in peace:
0. None yet!
Removed from the game:
0. None right now, thankfully!
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Chibi meido archa is not a girl thank you very much.
##Vote: Serela
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Drug addicts should all die.
##Vote Shadoweh
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##Vote Dormio
YOU ARE SCUM THIS TIME I JUST KNOW IT
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SHUT UP SERELA YOU'RE NOT MEANT TO REVEAL THAT WE'RE SCUMBUDDIES THAT QUICKLY.
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OH PLEASE DID YOU REALLY EXPECT ANYTHING ELSE
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I EXPECTED YOU TO GO FOR AT LEAST ONE POST WITHOUT SPILLING IT. I MEAN COME ON SERELA, CAN'T YOU EVEN DO ONE POST?
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##Vote:Schezo
Damnit! Why you steal first vote from me?
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Tally I: The Votecount of the "Petty Squabbling"
Schezo (1): J.O.B
Serela (1): Schezo
Shadoweh (1): Tamamo no dorMae
Tamamo no dorMae (1): Serela
Not Voting: ActionDan, Komeiji PX, MySTKing, Shadoweh, WHMZakeri
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. You have about 71.5 hours remaining in the day, so you had better not waste them~.
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##Vote Shadoweh
Why can't you invalidate the atrocious rumors circulating about your alignment in newbie 1180 to me huh? Clearly caught scum because you just HAD to say you're town.
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(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/Rise2.png) The party's only just started! Let's keep this rolling!
##Vote: Shadoweh
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Vote: Shadoweh
L-1
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Hi guys I'm here to WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!
I don't even care! None of you will take my cherished first vote for snuggly luvvable Zakeri away. Not even Zakeri!
##Vote: Zakeri
The one before this was so much cuter! Also this is for inappropriate cuddling. I-it was just part of the role, don't misunderstand!
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-.- You guys don't even wait for me to post anymore! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Also, as you can see Dan used the word town in his post. This is clearly a hard 100% scum tell. He must be Zakeri's buddy.
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What puts Dan over Zakeri if you're 100% sure on him? I didn't see 100% on Zakeri.
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I forgot this was a 9 player game for a second :V
Anyway, srsbsns tiem.
Zak, why did you put Shadoweh at L-1, even if it was just a jokevote?
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I'm going to play the Discussion card.
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Is that all?
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Damn, I forgot Schezo was in this game. Zakeri, Schezo and Dan can't all be scum. :ohdear:
What did you want to discuss, how wonderful it is to hear me screaming? >:< What about dumb and dumber
Serela and Dormio over there?
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The most discussion we'll get out of this will probably be why Zak voted Shadoweh to L-1 (already asked) and all the reactions to it.
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???
##Unvote
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:o
WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH THE REAL DORMIO?!
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(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/Rise4.png) Stop screwing around guys!
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/Rise5.png) Sheesh! Anyways.
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/Rise2.png) You! Shadoweh! Why are you continuing with RVS? JOB! You're just going to ask a question and finish it with that? Zakeri-sempai! Good job ♥ , but why are you not starting discussion instead? And Shadoweh-chan, there's more than those 6 people. What are you trying to accomplish here?
EDIT: Cut by Dormio-chan and Shadoweh-san. Okay Dormio-chan, but you're just unvoting? You have nothing to say? And Shadoweh-san, is this how you're going to save yourself?
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JOB! You're just going to ask a question and finish it with that?
Well do you have anything else to say about that?
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Um really? Brush it away like nothing happened at all. Then say I forgot X was playing 10 minutes into the game. Then end it with a deflection.
You're scummy now.
The question is JOB, do you have anything to say?
Dormio needs to get the scissors and cut that out.
##Unvote:
##Vote:Dormio
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I have said all I need to on that matter.
If you find Shadoweh scummy then why did you vote Dormio?
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I didn't vote Shadoweh because I don't want a mofo at L-1 this early in the day.
And all you said was that we could get discussion and reactions but with a tone that felt almost annoyed at it. So you yourself have no reactions or input on putting her to L-1?
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I didn't vote Shadoweh because I don't want a mofo at L-1 this early in the day.
Even though it already happened.
My reaction to her being at L-1 was "Why?". So I asked why and that was my input on the situation.
Also, that wasn't exactly an annoyed tone, it was more of a "y'know" tone. But I blame the internet for that mistake.
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Tally II: The Votecount of the "Page 2 Exhaustion"
Shadoweh (2): ActionDan, Komeiji PX
Tamamo no dorMae (2): Serela, Schezo
Schezo (1): J.O.B
WHMZakeri (1): Shadoweh
Not Voting: MySTKing, Tamamo no dorMae, WHMZakeri
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. You have about 65 hours remaining in the day, so you had better not waste them~.
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You forgot Zak's vote for Shadoweh.
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Holy shit Schezo is town for two games in a row! What are the odds.
Awh, you know I couldn't really forget about your cute chibi face. And uhm.. I think I would have an easier time counting the games I haven't been voted by 4-5 people in the first 24 hours. It's like a condition. :ohdear: The downside to being popular, oh woe is me, angst!
But seriously. So Schezo is town, JOB isn't enough of a thing to go either way for me yet. PX is being surprisingly town which obviously means he's scum and I have no reads on the rest yet. I randomly feel like vigging Dan for no discernable reason, so I might relentlessly tunnel after him today. Where the heck is Conqueror? >_>
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Damn, I forgot Schezo was in this game. Zakeri, Schezo and Dan can't all be scum.
Holy shit Schezo is town for two games in a row! What are the odds.
Uhh... what? Did 2 of his posts make you change your mind about Schezo?
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:o Maybe they did! I don't even remember if he posted before I said the first quote!
The first was a joke about how Schezo is always scum. The second was a statement based on actual game talk. Strange how that works.
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He did post before that. Twice.
I think you should stop joking around as much now, because it's srsbsns tiem.
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So, would someone care to explain to me why placing Shadoweh at L-1 before she even posted was a good idea?
I just realized that Zakeri's "vote" didn't have the double octothorpes. Whatever.
What do I need to cut out, Schezo?
Oh, hey, is that a whole bunch of fluff and RP I see being passed off as content? Dislike PX.
WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH THE REAL DORMIO?!
I killed him and ate his liver. It tasted like grapes.
As for my identity, you can figure that out yourself.
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As for my identity, you can figure that out yourself.
No.... I-It can't be. Is that you, O I'm Rod?
Oh yeah, I also need new eyes :V
Also Dormio (If that is your real name), put a vote down will ya?
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I wish to see what Schezo wants me to cut out, first.
No.... I-It can't be. Is that you, O I'm Rod?
No.
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Unvote with no words or a revote. Good job on keeping that number up. Do I have to specifically direct it to you that that's bad Dormio? You should fix that. You apparently don't like PX, why not vote him?
Shadoweh did that thing with using satire at the complete wrong time to mess with interpretation. It makes me hrrng but it's not bad anymore.
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I was rather busy at the time, and had no time to properly read through the topic.
It is part of why I failed to realize that Zakeri did not vote properly.
You should fix that. You apparently don't like PX, why not vote him?
Uh huh.
##Vote Schezo
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Are you thinking clearly? What did I just say?
Can you give words or a reason for anything you're doing?
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Of course I'm thinking clearly. The mountain of empty beer cans at my side will attest to this.
I'm voting for you because I highly dislike the statement you made, the one that I quoted. You have not mentioned PX at all up until this point, why would you want to suggest that I vote for him at this point in the game?
I also wonder what made Shadoweh goes from scummy (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg749829.html#msg749829) to hrrng but not bad anymore (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg749872.html#msg749872).
Why do you seem to have forgotten all about your earlier pressure on JOB? What are your current thoughts on JOB?
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Shadoweh go from
EBWOP
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I thought so. I knew it had something to do with Schezo suggesting you vote for PX :V
Everybody is being really wishy washy on their stances (everybody meaning 2-3 people :V)
My stances are currently:
Town:
Myself (obviously) and Dormio
Neutral:
Zak
Leaning Scum:
Schezo and Shadoweh.
Everyone else is unimportant.
Maybe you guys should do a list too?
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If you don't even understand when I'm joking about Schezo always being scum I just don't know how to communicate with you people. :fail:
Job, it's hypocritical to tell me to be serious then immediately joke about Dormio. I already did my town list. It looks nothing like yours since Schezo and Shadoweh are on the top. You can sit in the middle just under Schezo but above everyone else.
..I didn't notice Zak fake-voted me either. You swindler!
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I know you already made a list.
I said you should stop joking around as much. I never said you should stop completely. Because at the time basically all your posts had some form of joking around in it. I only did it in one or two.
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So, Shadoweh, you think nothing of Schezo forgetting about JOB and his off comment about where my vote should be?
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Nope, because Schezo is town. I didn't think his comment was off either. I would explain my perception of it but I'd rather let him defend it himself. As for forgetting about JOB, in my experience questioning him gets frustrating after awhile, so eh.
And I can't help expressing my comfortness and general jovialness at playing mafia around people I can fool myself into thinking I understand long enough for them to nightkill me. If I were you I'd be more worried if I was willing to stop having fun just so you'd like me better. :P
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Fair enough, though I do get the feeling that you're somewhat contradicting yourself by saying the following:
I'd rather let him defend it himself.
As for forgetting about JOB, in my experience questioning him gets frustrating after awhile, so eh.
Why did you feel the need to provide an out for Schezo in regards to the question about JOB? If you wanted to let Schezo defend himself, would it not be better for you to ignore both accusations I made against him?
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As for forgetting about JOB, in my experience questioning him gets frustrating after awhile, so eh.
The problem is, he just stopped questioning me all of a sudden, and had no mention of getting frustrated or even being satisfied with my answer.
And how do you think I feel when you guys ask the same question over and over again while I provide the same answer every fucking time?
What makes you think he's town anyway?
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What makes you think he's town anyway?
Magical Pixie Sticks.
What makes you think he's scum?
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OMG I'm posting before I got my first D1 prod. Beginning to think it was a bad idea for me to join this game at this time. Depending on how things work I might let BT replace in. :V
I don't like Schezo's attitude towards Dormio. I think our meta is past the point where blank unvotes are OMG scummy, even more so since the game just started. A lot of his questions seem to be attacking playstyle while looking to appear active because "Asking questions is pro-town!"
##Vote: Schezo
Personally, I have no problems with Dormio's content.
Shadoweh, are you going to do that thing where you snooze through the game by making off-hand comments? You know I'm not going to let that fly. ;)
What did you want to discuss, how wonderful it is to hear me screaming? >:< What about dumb and dumber
Serela and Dormio over there?
What were you trying to achieve by doing this? Did you have anything to say about them at the time?
Also, do you think your vote is best placed on Zakeri? :P
JOB, could you rehash why you're voting Schezo? Uhh, it's not very clear.
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I started voting Schezo for a jokevote, I've kept the vote because I think he's scum.
I think he's scum because he's done suspicious stuff, and when asked why he did it, he didn't account for it in a reasonable way.
He says he thinks Shadoweh is very scummy, then votes Dormio instead. When asked why he didn't vote Shadoweh he said he didn't want someone to be at L-1 this early. It already (appeared to have) happened once, so why can't it happen again?
And yeah he also forgot about me too (I feel sad now).
But lol Shadoweh is just making me go "oh my gog already" by not actually playing properly. Only scum would feel the need to cruise, and your not even saying anything worthwhile. Instead you're just sitting around shouting out off-hand remarks that are just barely related to the game (tl;dr what Conq said). You haven't provided proper reasons and proper answers when asked questions and instead just tried to deflect things towards other people.
Actually, based on his reaction, is it possible that Schezo knew about Zak's gambit beforehand?
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I believe Schezo is Town because Shadoweh says he's town.
Especially once you consider that the reason she latched onto Schezo as town was because he already demonstrated being on her side in a time when she thought she was going to be lynched.
I'd also love to see Shadoweh respond to Conqueror's comment above about why we're all voting for her, and not mentioning Serela or Dormio. Since Serela's only game related post was to joke about being Dormio's scumbuddy. Rather blatant pointless deflection, and I think Dormio and Serela are both leaning town because of it.
Yes, this means Dormio v Schezo is town v town. I expect if left unchecked, there'd be a lot more noise from both of them which would only confirm them both as not scum.
##Vote: Shadoweh
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Zak's got a point about Schezo.
@Mod: Can we get a votecount here?
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I might just mention that I wanna vote for Shadoweh but I want a votecount first.
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I have to work so you guys are going to be waiting awhile for some answers. I might be slightly missing my bus just by posting this. >.>
I will reply to Zak that I probably deserve that. In the circumstance he's mimicking though UK was the one who snagged an early 'town read'.
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Durrmio: You highly dislike the statement I made about you outright stating you don't like PX yet don't bother to vote him or anything beyond that so later you can what? Use it as anchorage for a case? Voting for him is the only thing you can do at this point in the game. Unless you know, you want to cheerlead.
Oh, Shadoweh went to hrnng because the initial reason I disliked her was for her out of place satire that was cleared up by the time I posted that. It looked better than your blank unvote.
Speaking of your blank unvote let me into put it into perspective of how I'm taking it. Conq, this applies to you since you know your reason for voting me is bad meta I should know better but by trying to clear things up for me and ask questions I'm scum. (The fuck?)
Can I put it this way? Dormio's execution of this blank unvote feels to me like LLD's miller claim in Jojo's. It threw me for a loop and how he proceeded to roll with it almost felt like trapping. I don't like it.
The problem with this gets to where you, Dormio, expressed distaste of PX and proceeded to not do a thing with it. I pointed that out and you just smack me with a vote.
I will give you that yes not addressing whatever the fuck JOB is doing right now is bad and the same for when I had the chance earlier and didn't. My response to his earlier answer was null. Take it, it's late what the fuck ever. Let's look at his recent actions.
I mean his list makes me want to drill him since there's no reasons at all for anything on it.
Let's break his case on me down:
I think he's scum because he's done suspicious stuff, and when asked why he did it, he didn't account for it in a reasonable way.
Fucking awesome, what was it that I did? Or are you just coping others words?
He says he thinks Shadoweh is very scummy, then votes Dormio instead. When asked why he didn't vote Shadoweh he said he didn't want someone to be at L-1 this early. It already (appeared to have) happened once, so why can't it happen again?
Dormio was scummier for disliking someone and not doing anything with it. That and I thought she was at L-1 so why not pursue another thing that stuck out to me.
And really? The line of reasoning with that I didn't want someone to be at L-1 this early was true because it's a bad thing to place someone at 8 hours into the game. So fucking what if it happened earlier? Are you telling me to do bad scummy things just because someone else before did?
Your last point is the only one I will give weight.
So honestly I can't get what you're doing. You're sheeping whatever good thought process you see and I'm leaning scum on you because of this.
Conq, that's your interpretation of how I'm playing. I personally don't think so because I don't think I'm "Askin' questions 'cause it's protown lol" I'm asking questions because I'm confused and would like to know like what the hell Dormio was getting at by expressing dislike at PX and doing nothing with it and various other things.
Shadoweh is no longer just hrrrng because now that she's had a chance to play and do something besides play lolgaiz and clear me for whatever, she didn't. She's back to being scummy.
Vote on Dormio stays until you respond to this post.
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Fucking awesome, what was it that I did? Or are you just coping others words?
Dormio was scummier for disliking someone and not doing anything with it. That and I thought she was at L-1 so why not pursue another thing that stuck out to me.
And really? The line of reasoning with that I didn't want someone to be at L-1 this early was true because it's a bad thing to place someone at 8 hours into the game. So fucking what if it happened earlier? Are you telling me to do bad scummy things just because someone else before did?
Your last point is the only one I will give weight.
So honestly I can't get what you're doing. You're sheeping whatever good thought process you see and I'm leaning scum on you because of this.
Okay then, if you think I'm sheeping, then who am I sheeping to?
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Dormio. And to an extent Conq since you only started using that point against me after Conq agreed with how Dormio was playing.
Can you address the rest of my problems with you now?
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I only sheeped one reason and that was the last reason. I'm not copying anything else.
And since you want me to address those other "problems" you have with me:
Fucking awesome, what was it that I did? Or are you just coping others words?
Dormio was scummier for disliking someone and not doing anything with it. That and I thought she was at L-1 so why not pursue another thing that stuck out to me.
And really? The line of reasoning with that I didn't want someone to be at L-1 this early was true because it's a bad thing to place someone at 8 hours into the game. So fucking what if it happened earlier? Are you telling me to do bad scummy things just because someone else before did?
You're sheeping whatever good thought process you see and I'm leaning scum on you because of this.
That was a basica summary of why I'm leaning scum on you.
Okay then, why didn't you mention you found Dormio scummier in that post? The only person you said was scummy in that post was Shadoweh.
Shadoweh was already at (fake) L-1 earlier. Nothing happened to her. Even if she were at L-1 now, nobody would be stupid enough to hammer. Because only the scum would hammer this early, so it's basically suicide. It's not like there are any new players around here that might accidentally hammer her.
I've only sheeped once, and that was on a very good point. Maybe I should take this last sentence as a compliment because you think my thought process is good.
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And basically you're trying to fling stuff at me, I don't like it at all.
##Unvote
##Vote:Schezo (again)
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Durrmio:Voting for him is the only thing you can do at this point in the game. Unless you know, you want to cheerlead.
I know Dormio can probably defend himself from this but I mean this sentence is so scummy sounding that I have to get some input on this.
You're basically forcing Dormio to vote PX. Why is it the only thing he can do? He's certainly not cheerleading. He only expressed a dislike of PX, that was all. He's not voting you while going "Hey PX has done some scummy shit so let's lynch him too!".
This is horrible reasoning that arguably deserves another vote from me.
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No, but nice try though.
You had the chance to fess up when I told you you were sheeping and you asked me who you were sheeping to instead of admitting you were sheeping at all. Your question implyed you weren't. You were.
They aren't "problems" which you later define to flinging stuff, though it's nice to see that your mind treats legitimate points as such.
My vote on Dormio implied scum and you aren't coupling this with the fact that Shadoweh was at L-1 (fake, same difference). He blank unvoted and I figured that was good enough to change my stance. He furthered worsening this by throwing suspicion on PX and not voting him.
And I will hold this against you to the bank since you keep pushing bad logic.
I will not place someone at L-1 just because. You can't sugarcoat it any way because the only reason I can see for you wanting this done is so a townie can derp hammer. Of course scum won't but a townie having a hrrdrr moment may despite what you think about no one accidentally doing it. Forcing the 100% thing at the same time that whoever hammered, because I placed someone at L-1, is scum because, only scum would do that, is awful. It would not be a stretch to then use that to cast suspicion on me because I was the one that made the L-1 and caused the mislynch of a town. So your thinking on this is very scummy and you now have bought a death ticket.
##Unvote:
##:Vote: Job
Your newest post defending Dormio starts out like this:
I know I'm about to do something scummy but let me do it anyway so we can get this interpretation out there to make Schezo look bad.
I would not have had a problem with him expressing dislike at PX if he had a vote on the table. The problem was a blank unvote and having no suspicion on anyone else at all but once he found it, he didn't vote for it. That was bad in my eyes.
Not this spin that you're trying to paint here because yes it's clear that now he isn't going "Get PX gaiz!" We'll couple that with:
He wasn't voting anyone when I made that comment, now he's voting me, so what your last assumption is trying to make is a situation that never happened.
So throw your horrible reasoning back in your face and selfvote now cause you "arguably" lost your reason on me.
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You had the chance to fess up when I told you you were sheeping and you asked me who you were sheeping to instead of admitting you were sheeping at all. Your question implyed you weren't. You were.
My vote on Dormio implied scum and you aren't coupling this with the fact that Shadoweh was at L-1 (fake, same difference). He blank unvoted and I figured that was good enough to change my stance. He furthered worsening this by throwing suspicion on PX and not voting him.
So throw your horrible reasoning back in your face and selfvote now cause you "arguably" lost your reason on me.
I want to address these two things and I also want to reapply this last sentence to you.
You implied I was sheeping for more than one thing. I wanted to know who you thought I was sheeping. I'm not just gonna let you sit there making accusations against me without some evidence or opinions. I mean, I still admitted it in the end, didn't I?
My vote on Dormio implied scum and you aren't coupling this with the fact that Shadoweh was at L-1 (fake, same difference). He blank unvoted and I figured that was good enough to change my stance.
You aren't coupling this with the fact that Dormio had originally voted for Shadoweh, then Shadoweh got put to (fake) L-1, then Dormio unvoted, meaning she was actually at L-3 at the time! Geez, and you say I have shitty reasoning.
He furthered worsening this by throwing suspicion on PX and not voting him.
So? Maybe he wasn't suspicious of PX enough to actually think he was scummy. In fact, maybe he wasn't really suspicious of him at all. Because in case you didn't notice, he only expressed dislike of PX. He never said anything like "Hey gaiz PX is doing something and you guys should check it out because it looks scummeh."
Think about it this way, I threw suspicion onto Zak earlier in the day when he put Shadoweh at (fake) L-1. I never voted him. So why aren't you attacking me for that.
So throw your horrible reasoning back in your face and selfvote now cause you "arguably" lost your reason on me.
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Oh and in case you didn't realize, most of the Dormio part of your case on me can probably be invalidated when you realize that I'm actually reffering to the post where you said he basically has to vote PX. You're stuck in the past, get with the times, because that post was already made after he voted you.
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Tally III: The Votecount of the "Fizzy Grape Soda"
Schezo (3): J.O.B, Tamamo no dorMae, MySTKing
Shadoweh (3): ActionDan, Komeiji PX, WHMZakeri
J.O.B (1): Schezo
Tamamo no dorMae (1): Serela
WHMZakeri (1): Shadoweh
Not Voting: None!
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. You have about 53.5 hours remaining in the day, so you had better not waste them~.
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Yay, a votecount.
Though if it isn't obvious considering the recent events that I'm gonna stay on Schezo now anyway.
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I'mma go sleep now. It's 5AM :V
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Wow. I just used 3 hours of my time writing just to accidently trigger a shortcut that is the equivlent of the back button. I fucking hate technology.
Here's a more succinct version
I believe Schezo is Town because Shadoweh says he's town.
Especially once you consider that the reason she latched onto Schezo as town was because he already demonstrated being on her side in a time when she thought she was going to be lynched.
I'd also love to see Shadoweh respond to Conqueror's comment above about why we're all voting for her, and not mentioning Serela or Dormio. Since Serela's only game related post was to joke about being Dormio's scumbuddy. Rather blatant pointless deflection, and I think Dormio and Serela are both leaning town because of it.
Yes, this means Dormio v Schezo is town v town. I expect if left unchecked, there'd be a lot more noise from both of them which would only confirm them both as not scum.
##Vote: Shadoweh
I'm very concerned about this post. If you were gunning for reactions due to your fake-vote, why did you not mention the towniest reaction on the entire page before HuhWhat posted an updated vote count? That reaction being Dormio's blank unvote. It's an impulsive townie reaction to seeing someone at L-1. Instead you dump weak assciociative tells based ONLY on possible Shadoweh scum. Did you really think Shadoweh "thought she was going to be lynched" just because she thought she was at L-1? A D1 lynch has yet to happen in less than 24 hours into the day, and this game is not about to serve as the C-C-C-Combo breaker. This sounds like a pretty big stretch to me. I do agree with you and conq that Shadoweh's acknowledgement of Serela + Dorimo playfighting without herself commenting upon it's significance (I think there is none) sounds uncaring and fake. However, Zak, you use this as backing that Selera + Dormio are both town and in extension with your previous discernment of town schezo, assertain that Dormio/Schezo spat is town/town. That allows to avoid the issue altogether, without judging either on their own merits. The Dormio/Schezo fight is a goldmine. It solidifies for me a town read of Dormio while I remain unconvinced of Schezo's attacks upon Dormio. I see no town intent in limiting your numerous reads by putting all your eggs in one basket wherein Shadoweh has to flip scum, whilst not solidifying your reads based on content in favor of mere speculation.
##Unvote
##Vote Zak
Zak, what originally were you hoping to get out of your fake-vote?
Shadoweh, I have a lot of problems with you. The flow of #31, #32, #37, #41, and #49 is confusing for me because I can't delve into and understand your thoughts. Originally #31 and #32 were obviously joke posts, but with #37 you ignored Schezo's question (which didn't really have any stock to it) whilst acknowledging his existance (later you said you "didn't remember if" you missed the post) so I couldn't tell if his addition to the scum list there was a serious thing earned from his question, and in turn, if that meant you had something against me and zak. Meanwhile it certainly seemed like you wanted a serious answer from zak about Dormio and Selera and that you do have a "random" notion to vig me (also by #49 your vote hasn't left zak also that isn't a big deal by that point). The feeling I get from your caps lock post in response to Dormio is the same. It "feels" like you are saying something about the unvote, but I have no idea what.
If you want to understand why it seems like you are jumping around like a mexican jumping bean, it is that you have mentioned all of us in some capacity by #49.
In general, when I really can't understand someone, especially when I can't find where their heart lies, I have trouble believing that the person is a kindred spirit. The above is not scummy in particular (barring the Serela + Dormio comment and not ever saying a thing yourself, which you seem to have reconized in your last post), but I want you to get your act together.
I'm a bit stunned by this:
Job, it's hypocritical to tell me to be serious then immediately joke about Dormio. I already did my town list. It looks nothing like yours since Schezo and Shadoweh are on the top. You can sit in the middle just under Schezo but above everyone else.
I interpret this as a put-down. 1) hypocritical? JOB asked Dormio to place a vote down, his post wasn't all jokes and games. Also using a word like that tends to be impressionable whether or not that was the intent. It's a lot like branding in marketing. 2) You ARE jumping around all over the place without really supporting your reads. Just because you disagree with someone else's list does not increase your list's legitimancy. P.S I disagree with your list.
This sounds like you are keeping Job in his place on your list (which is in the one way or the other).
And this:
I will reply to Zak that I probably deserve that. In the circumstance he's mimicking though UK was the one who snagged an early 'town read'.
You deserve what? his vote? Do you think his reasons are legitimate? The UK sentence is not explained in a way I can understand. elaborate.
While I am sharing this vote of Zak with you, it seems pretty obvious that your vote carries no weight. I would like you to pick yourself up and get working. To give you some motivation, and I mean in all seriousness, I think JOB is both a hell of a lot more town and that JOB is also a greater ASSET at the moment.
Px, you are not Bardiche anymore! Don't think I don't know that you can mimic your styles. Your questions in #41 are overly vague. I do not know which post(s) of shadoweh you are refering to. #37 at the time did seem more serious. Your question to Job doesn't tell me what you think of Job's question nor the further statement Job made about "the disscusion card." What exactly was Zak supposed to dicuss after fake-voting Shadoweh to L-1? The entire point is to produce reactions! Similarly "there are more than 6 people for Shadoweh to comment on, what are you doing?" when the game is just only gone on a few hours makes me think the question is for the sake of a question (like all the others), because I don't get the :logic: there. The negative reaction to Dormio's unvote strikes me the wrong way, since I feel PX is not considering why a townie might do that.
Questions for the sake of the Question God without any analysis is false. I wish Px would give me a little more of his mind.
No more time at the moment. I'll get to Schezo later but he's better (more town) than Px/Shadoweh/Zak but worse than Dormio/Conq/Job. (I also haven' t read Job/Schezo walls as they came up while I typed this).
Selera is in the Ants Screeeeeaming category.
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So first of all, you're going on about the blank unvote. I did that because I thought that Shadoweh was at L-1, and I did not want her to stay there when she had barely even had a chance to post. I did not say much else in that post because I was busy at the time, and could not actually say much else.
May I inquire so as to how Shadoweh cleared up her out of place satire to you? Because, you know, with the way you worded that, it kind of sounds like the reason it got better to you was because something that you could see as being scummier came along.
Yes, I expressed dislike of PX, but I did not think that it was worth a vote at the time. You ask Conq not to vote for you based on playstyle or whatever, yet you'll do the same to me?
What trapping? You have only yourself to blame for making a statement which suggested that I should place my vote somewhere of your choosing.
JOB defending me is a thing I dislike, as is all the sheeping and insistence on using bad logic. Unfortunately, town!JOB loves sheeping and the like, so ugh.
Awaiting a better response from Shadoweh, because Zakeri's post is a thing that I find interesting.
Would appreciate posts from people like PX, ActionDan and Serela. (Wait they were in this game?!?!?!)
And now Dan comes in to say something interesting.
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(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/Rise2.png) Alright, why is Schezo-tan a wagon?! Dormio-chan, I don't like your vote on Schezo-tan, but your logic and activities are a-okay with me, so you go into the good people pile.
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/Rise6.png) Shadoweh-san is still a thing, but I'm going to turn my attention off her until she posts for now. As for now....
##Unvote
##Vote: JOB
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/Rise2.png) You! First off, this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg749791.html#msg749791). Why would you state that like it's an absolute, instead of trying to get more discussion? And up until this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg749884.html#msg749884) you're asking questions but not doing a single thing with them. You seem contempt with letting others do the scum hunting for you, and you're completely lacking in scumhunting. In that post, you create a random list of reads without explaining any of them before or during. It all seems like a lazy way to look active, and active lurking. And it takes you two people to ask you why the person you're voting for is scum before you actually explain your vote (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg749926.html#msg749926). And your reasons are pretty bad as well. The ensuing argument with Schezo-tan only makes me feel better about my vote.
You aren't coupling this with the fact that Dormio had originally voted for Shadoweh, then Shadoweh got put to (fake) L-1, then Dormio unvoted, meaning she was actually at L-3 at the time! Geez, and you say I have shitty reasoning.
First off, you do realize the reason why he didn't vote Shadoweh-san in the first place is the exact same reason why Dormio-chan unvoted, in that you're not going to leave someone at L-1 this early. Fake vote or not, everyone fell for it anyways, so why do you keep talking about it as if it is relevant? And you admit to sheeping. Sheeping means you deserve to die because it implies either lazy scum or lazy town, and if it's indecisive, either way it's lazy and you deserve to die.
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/Rise6.png) As for the other people.... I don't see much to go with and they're null and can do with some updated opinions and posts.
EDIT:
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/Rise5.png) Oh! ActionDan-kun and Dormio-chan posted! Let's see what it says.... Dan-kun's post makes me feel better about him and worse about Zakeri-sempai.
And now, for a (not so) random list of people and opinions!
PX - Me, silly!
Conqueror-kun - Null, needs more posts to read
Schezo-tan - Townie!
Dormio-chan - Townie!
ActionDan-kun - Townie!
Zakeri-senpai - Null, leading a little downward, needs more posts
Shadoweh-san - Scummy
JOB - Scummy
Serela-senpai - ??? Is he playing?
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Conq, this applies to you since you know your reason for voting me is bad meta I should know better but by trying to clear things up for me and ask questions I'm scum. (The fuck?)
Conq, that's your interpretation of how I'm playing. I personally don't think so because I don't think I'm "Askin' questions 'cause it's protown lol" I'm asking questions because I'm confused and would like to know like what the hell Dormio was getting at by expressing dislike at PX and doing nothing with it and various other things.
No, I didn't vote you for asking questions; that would be silly. Let me point you to an example of what I was voting you for.
Are you thinking clearly? What did I just say?
Can you give words or a reason for anything you're doing?
This was in response to Dormio not voting PX like you asked him to and voting you instead. It felt like an incredibly defensive overreaction, sorta like this one. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10962.msg728387.html#msg728387) Add to that the previous post, which felt unnecessarily aggressive. Forgive me if I thought you were trying to piss people off instead of clearing things up. Tone is important, yo.
I don't like the JOB vote. It basically reads as a massive OMGUS.
You can't sugarcoat it any way because the only reason I can see for you wanting this done is so a townie can derp hammer.
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So your thinking on this is very scummy and you now have bought a death ticket.
You can't be serious. JOB's reasoning in that line does make me :psyduck: as well, but this is more a player tell than anything. Why are you twisting it to paint him as definite scum?
And you admit to sheeping. Sheeping means you deserve to die because it implies either lazy scum or lazy town, and if it's indecisive, either way it's lazy and you deserve to die.
(http://i43.tinypic.com/65sruq.jpg)
PX, wtf is this?
##Unvote
##Vote: PX
I'm actually not as sure on Schezo right now, though I still think he looks bad. PX's last post rubs me the wrong way. I'll try to see if I can explain it with words later.
Stuff on Zak and Shadoweh will have to wait until they've posted again.
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Alright, why is Schezo-tan a wagon?!
Why not?
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*Ow my head hurts, LET'S PLAY MAFIA.*
Bad idea :V
Anyway on to the srsbsns.
Why would you state that like it's an absolute, instead of trying to get more discussion?
And up until this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg749884.html#msg749884) you're asking questions but not doing a single thing with them.
In that post, you create a random list of reads without explaining any of them before or during.
And it takes you two people to ask you why the person you're voting for is scum before you actually explain your vote (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg749926.html#msg749926).
And your reasons are pretty bad as well. The ensuing argument with Schezo-tan only makes me feel better about my vote.First off, you do realize the reason why he didn't vote Shadoweh-san in the first place is the exact same reason why Dormio-chan unvoted, in that you're not going to leave someone at L-1 this early.
Fake vote or not, everyone fell for it anyways, so why do you keep talking about it as if it is relevant?
And you admit to sheeping. Sheeping means you deserve to die because it implies either lazy scum or lazy town, and if it's indecisive, either way it's lazy and you deserve to die.
I asked you earlier in the game when you didn't like me for that, "What else could you have added?"
That's a player tell. I'm not the best mafia player you know.
All I asked for were stances, not why. Maybe you should read my posts.
In case you didn't realise, if I got my times right, those two posts were like minutes apart. I explained it in the post straight after them.
So?
It is relevant, everyone thought it was L-1, so why not count it as if it was L-1.
This is arguably the worst sentence I've seen this game. Sheeping can also mean you agree with someone. Also how is sheeping 1 reason out of 3 make me deserve to die.
Seriously Conq sums this whole post up better than I ever could.
(http://i43.tinypic.com/65sruq.jpg)
PX, wtf is this?
##Unvote
##Vote: PX
##Unvote
##Vote:PX
Maybe you should learn to read and learn to answer. You're basically throwing accusations at me without doing the research on them. You know what that means?
That means you deserve to die because it implies either lazy scum or lazy town, and if it's indecisive, either way it's lazy and you deserve to die.
Also if I forgot anybody's questions just remind me and I'll get on it.
Oh and surprisingly my head hurts less now :V
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Tally IV: The Votecount of "Counting Sheep"
J.O.B (2): Schezo, Komeiji PX
Komeiji PX (2): MySTKing, J.O.B
WHMZakeri (2): Shadoweh, ActionDan
Schezo (1): Tamamo no dorMae
Tamamo no dorMae (1): Serela
Shadoweh (1): WHMZakeri
Not Voting: None!
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. You have about 47 hours remaining in the day, so you had better not waste them~.
Serela has been prodded.
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JOB did you just borrow my entire post?
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PX's #89 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg750095.html#msg750095) is a thing.
What marks Shadoweh as scummy to you?
What makes Conqueror and Zakeri null and ActionDan townie when ActionDan has actually posted less than both of them?
Also, your case on JOB appears to be punishing purely for bad play, regardless of alignment. I don't like this.
This, in conjunction with my earlier statement that PX is attempting to pass off fluff and RP as content leads me to:
##FoS PX
Oh, and Shadoweh, come back and play~~~
I miss your body
Warning - while you were typing new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.
JOB sheeping is a thing, but I've seen him do it in every game he was in as town, so...
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JOB did you just borrow my entire post?
Uhh.. didn't you only have one thing about PX?
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Not that, but never mind it, as it was an overstatement on my part. It's just strange to see you suddenly jump votes like that. :V (Then again that post was pretty ffff so)
Anyway, I'll wait for PX to check in.
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I fail to see how I'm motivated to post when it sounds like four people are waiting for the opportunity to jump back on me again. >_> Good thing I'm a
masochist devoted mafia player.
In answer to Dan's question and addressing Zakeri, Zak's post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg749942.html#msg749942) is almost a copy of his post as Pamela from Graveyard Mafia, where he accuses Youmu (1/2 of me) of being scum and says Arcureid must be town because we said she's town. The similarity is uncanny enough that I'm positive Zak did it on purpose. I don't like words being put in my mouth about why I think someone is town. Schezo is town because he is. The idea that I was actually going to be jokevote wagoned lynched is laughable. This isn't IRC Mafia. So I'd appreciate if you would not target me for my hydra partner's meta and for reasons that are just plain made up and came up with something better.
RE: Serela and Dormio. So I guess I'm the only one who considers those two could be insane enough to actually do that together as scum? It doesn't mean anything now since there are better Dormio posts to look at. I didn't mention my own opinion on it first because I don't need to ask myself for my own opinion and I find it uninteresting to think about. In all non-sarcasticness it bothers me that I do this as town every time and you guys call me scum for it every time. It's like we've never spent any time together at all.
Schezo, your long post kind of feels like you're just throwing random statements together. Calm down. Dormio unvoted quickly because I was at L-1. There wasn't anything scummy about the unvote. JOB sheeping is also a null tell because that's what he does. He did it when he was scum to jump on wagons and he did it as town every time someone spoke ever. It doesn't make him confirmed scum.
Though posts like this one (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg749926.html#msg749926) make me go O_o. Same with this one (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg749999.html#msg749999) and the line about quickhammers.
First, your post isn't a strawman. It's an entire straw field with a straw factory pumping out scarecrows for everyone. "You're not even saying anything worthwhile you're just saying random remarks" is taking something Conqueror said and flying the extra mile with it. I especially like how you've effectively blamed Conqueror for the worst reasoning imaginable. I feel like you're sheeping people to find reasons to get on wagons right now.
Second, quickhammers. Shadoweh was at 'fake' L-1 for approximately one post before someone unvoted to stop Shadoweh from being at L-1. You are exactly the kind of player people want to keep a switch like that away from. Accidental hammers and purposeful hammers happen. Not wanting a wagon at L-1 in the first day is not a scumtell.
Dan, jumping around like a mexican jumping bean is how I get reads on people. I would say that post where I mention wanting to vig you is the first one I seriously posted in. (I don't want to anymore, by the way.) I did want a serious answer from Zak, whether it be about Dormio and Serela or if it was about how I dared to ask a silly question. I wasn't saying anything about Dormio's unvote. And your suggestions about language are under advisement. I will keep my comments about JOB being a better asset for when I'm alone in a back alley with you.
PX's reads look surprisingly like mine again. If only he'd stop putting me as obvscum. Do you honestly think JOB is scum or do you just want him to die like you have every other time? It doesn't sound like you care either way.
Cut by Dormio asking for another restraining order. I'm just gonna get this out there.
##Confirm Vote Zakeri
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Let's go one more time Dormio since you are like missing something.
So first of all, you're going on about the blank unvote. I did that because I thought that Shadoweh was at L-1, and I did not want her to stay there when she had barely even had a chance to post. I did not say much else in that post because I was busy at the time, and could not actually say much else.
Fine.
May I inquire so as to how Shadoweh cleared up her out of place satire to you? Because, you know, with the way you worded that, it kind of sounds like the reason it got better to you was because something that you could see as being scummier came along.
You may.
Her post:
:o Maybe they did! I don't even remember if he posted before I said the first quote!
The first was a joke about how Schezo is always scum. The second was a statement based on actual game talk. Strange how that works.
Clarified the fact that she just dropped a scum read on me, which I thought was serious. It wasn't and her post here clarified that as such.
Yes, I expressed dislike of PX, but I did not think that it was worth a vote at the time. You ask Conq not to vote for you based on playstyle or whatever, yet you'll do the same to me?
Please don't twist what I say. You could have put in your unvote, don't want it at L-1 but you have later clarified it. So at that moment in time you expressed suspicion of Shadoweh and then PX here. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg749865.html#msg749865) You come back,
don't clarify that it was an unvote for L-1 thing,
don't clarify that she's still who you want to vote and instead make a remark on PX that you dislike him. Couple that with your point that means nothing but filler with Shadoweh.
You know why I have a problem with this? I don't know where you want to go at this point.
Do you want to get Shadoweh who you had a vote on or PX who you dislike? That's a problem in my ability to read you. That is why I made a big deal out of it and I would appreciate if you back up out my face for that.
What trapping? You have only yourself to blame for making a statement which suggested that I should place my vote somewhere of your choosing.
Again, no I don't have just myself to blame for YOUR inability to vote someone who you had suspicion on or at the very least express willingness to vote after dropping that PX comment. Your comment to Shadoweh in this post didn't imply or state you would vote her yet at the same time you dislike PX. Get it now? I was asking if you were going to vote PX since you did dislike him and didn't express that at Shadoweh.
JOB defending me is a thing I dislike, as is all the sheeping and insistence on using bad logic. Unfortunately, town!JOB loves sheeping and the like, so ugh.
I will not let you clear someone on meta, have you seen all his recent actions?
Your last three lines might as well not even be here if all you're going to say is: "X is interesting they should post. I found this interesting."
Interesting how? Elaborate instead of making fake content.
Action Dan:
The Dormio/Schezo fight is a goldmine. It solidifies for me a town read of Dormio while I remain unconvinced of Schezo's attacks upon Dormio.
If this is such a gold mine, would you mind elaborating with examples where you get town vibes from Dormio?
I think JOB is both a hell of a lot more town and that JOB is also a greater ASSET at the moment.
Then I would like to ask you to look at Job's actions and explain to me how you're getting a town read from all of this bad logic and sheeping.
Conqueror's 90:
No, I didn't vote you for asking questions; that would be silly. Let me point you to an example of what I was voting you for.
This was in response to Dormio not voting PX like you asked him to and voting you instead. It felt like an incredibly defensive overreaction, sorta like this one. Add to that the previous post, which felt unnecessarily aggressive. Forgive me if I thought you were trying to piss people off instead of clearing things up. Tone is important, yo.
I think I just explained this earlier in my post. If that isn't the answer you're looking for please say so.
You can't be serious. JOB's reasoning in that line does make me :psyduck: as well, but this is more a player tell than anything. Why are you twisting it to paint him as definite scum?
I disagree about being able to use that as a player tell for someone who has pushed bad logic not just a few but all day. Really, have read my case on him? Like, is this the only problem you have with me out of the multitude of other points I made on him earlier? Why is it OMGUS instead of bad scum pushing bad logic? I'm not seeing it.
I will have to update my JOB read in another post because fuck.
Conq is right in his point that JOB borrowed his post because as soon as Conq mentioned Job could be cleared with his player tell, JOB immediately latches onto this and says the same thing in his next post.
That's a player tell. I'm not the best mafia player you know.
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I'm sorry if Conq just happened to mention that then, geez.
Stop being such a tryhard.
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Cut by Dormio asking for another restraining order. I'm just gonna get this out there.
ㅠㅠ 왜 그러냐? 그냥 장난하는거 아니냐?
야, Shadoweh, 전에 내가 말한것 대답해봐라:
Why did you feel the need to provide an out for Schezo in regards to the question about JOB? If you wanted to let Schezo defend himself, would it not be better for you to ignore both accusations I made against him?
마찬가지로 니가 JOB 대해 뭐, 예기를 조금 하지만 JOB 대해 무슨 생각하고있냐?
하고 아직도 나랑 Serela 가 scum 이라고 생각하냐? 왜냐면 그냥 Serela와 내가 미쳤다고 생각한다는 예기 말고 아무것도 안 말했잖아.
내가 딴 post를 만들었다고그러는대 니가 그 post 에서 무슨생각하는지 예기를 안하고있잖아.
Cut by Dormio asking for another restraining order. I'm just gonna get this out there.
ㅠ ㅠ What's the matter with you? Just playing with you, is not she?
Hey, Shadoweh, I said before, and try to answer:
Why did you feel the need to provide an out for Schezo in regards to the question about JOB? If you wanted to let Schezo defend himself, would it not be better for you to ignore both accusations I made against him?
What about you, as JOB, to talk a little bit, but what I think about doing the JOB?
Serela called me and still think that's the scum? I think I'm crazy because I Serela and do not expect that I told you not do anything.
So I have created another post to orientate you in that post talking about what, though He's not doing anything.
Fuck Google Translate.
Could you please respond to the question I quoted above?
What do you think about JOB? You've picked at his bad logic, but this is all you've done in regards to JOB. Seriously, no analysis or anything to go with the "JOB being JOB" thing.
You state that you believe that Serela and I would actually be crazy enough to out each other as scum that early in the game. Do you feel like acting on this? Does this thought still hold for you?
In addition, you've stated that I have more posts to read, yet have stated nothing about them. Feel like elaborating?
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Hi Schezzy-tan-chan. I'll be making another post for you.
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Because I didn't feel the point about JOB was worth anything.
I'm not sure how I feel about JOB. I'm still gathering reads in his direction. I dislike that he's not obvtown to me yet.
I don't think you're scum at this point, so no the logic doesn't hold. Serela hasn't said anything to update the opinion in his direction.
I think something is lost in translation. I said judging you on your earliest posts isn't needed anymore since you've added zounds more content.
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More JOB:
First of all this infuriates me like you don't even know.
Also if I forgot anybody's questions just remind me and I'll get on it.
Why is it ok for you to forget someone and not follow it up when you FUCKING VOTED me over this?
Huh? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg749926.html#msg749926)
This to me, means that you lack consistency in even your ability to vote others with you own logic, so how do I not take this as scum holding double standards?
Then let's go in order:
82 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg750015.html#msg750015)
You implied I was sheeping for more than one thing. I wanted to know who you thought I was sheeping. I'm not just gonna let you sit there making accusations against me without some evidence or opinions. I mean, I still admitted it in the end, didn't I?
No, I stated you were sheeping. Whether or not you were doing multiple reasons was up to your interpretation that you use against me. Doesn't hold because that's not what happened.
Again:
Okay then, if you think I'm sheeping, then who am I sheeping to?
This holds an air of indignant offense that, "how dare you accuse me of sheeping?!"
I tell you, and now your response is that I was just waiting to fling false accusations with no evidence. After all this you still hold it against me even when I told the truth on a legitimate point. So why do you feel you're still right to accuse me over this when you admitted to doing it yourself?
You aren't coupling this with the fact that Dormio had originally voted for Shadoweh, then Shadoweh got put to (fake) L-1, then Dormio unvoted, meaning she was actually at L-3 at the time! Geez, and you say I have shitty reasoning.
This point. Does not compute.
Reread my explanation for voting Dormio again and get back to me.
So? Maybe he wasn't suspicious of PX enough to actually think he was scummy. In fact, maybe he wasn't really suspicious of him at all. Because in case you didn't notice, he only expressed dislike of PX.
I don't know about you but when someone says they dislike me I take that as they thinking I'm scum.
He never said anything like "Hey gaiz PX is doing something and you guys should check it out because it looks scummeh."
Think about it this way, I threw suspicion onto Zak earlier in the day when he put Shadoweh at (fake) L-1. I never voted him. So why aren't you attacking me for that
You're right about him not saying that quote. You did.
You're basically forcing Dormio to vote PX. Why is it the only thing he can do? He's certainly not cheerleading. He only expressed a dislike of PX, that was all. He's not voting you while going "Hey PX has done some scummy shit so let's lynch him too!".
So why is that a reason to hold against me with Dormio when you yourself made it? And I am attacking you for more valid reasons since Dormio's circumstance is different that yours. (For one you had a vote down)
Oh and in case you didn't realize, most of the Dormio part of your case on me can probably be invalidated when you realize that I'm actually reffering to the post where you said he basically has to vote PX. You're stuck in the past, get with the times, because that post was already made after he voted you.
I'm not in the past because of you trying to nail me for a point you made. Link me to this and show me how I'm wrong.
PX can have 92 since that's all him besides the point I just made but yeah, this is why I feel good with voting someone for bad reasoning and not OMGUS.
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don't clarify that it was an unvote for L-1 thing,
Uh, okay. I thought it was obvious that I was unvoting due to seeing the L-1 warning put up by Zakeri a few posts before mine.
don't clarify that she's still who you want to vote and instead make a remark on PX that you dislike him.
I didn't clarify who I wanted to vote because I wasn't sure at the time. I disliked PX, but did not feel that he deserved a vote at that point in time. What of it?
Couple that with your point that means nothing but filler with Shadoweh.
I replied with filler to Shadoweh because I assumed that her comment about me replacing the real Dormio was made in jest due to the meta where I always want Shadoweh dead, yet was unvoting her.
Do you want to get Shadoweh who you had a vote on or PX who you dislike? That's a problem in my ability to read you. That is why I made a big deal out of it and I would appreciate if you back up out my face for that.
Why would I go back to Shadoweh, when I had only voted her due to it being RVS?
Get it now? I was asking if you were going to vote PX since you did dislike him and didn't express that at Shadoweh.I will not let you clear someone on meta, have you seen all his recent actions?
If I did not vote, is it not apparent that I am not going to vote?
I will not let you clear someone on meta, have you seen all his recent actions?
As much as I hate meta, JOB is JOB. Lynching him would feel like a policy lynch to me, and I hate policy lynches more than using meta.
Your last three lines might as well not even be here if all you're going to say is: "X is interesting they should post. I found this interesting."
Interesting how? Elaborate instead of making fake content.
I wanted to see Shadoweh respond to some posts before making a judgement. The same applies to what Dan said to Zakeri.
Serela does need to post. He's doing this thing where he doesn't exist and therefore cannot be read.
Again, no I don't have just myself to blame for YOUR inability to vote someone who you had suspicion on or at the very least express willingness to vote after dropping that PX comment. Your comment to Shadoweh in this post didn't imply or state you would vote her yet at the same time you dislike PX.
And what am I supposed to do if you misinterpret my actions? To me, a dislike is not reason enough by itself for me to get behind a lynch.
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Hi Shadoweh, keep that body warm for me. I'll get to you shortly.
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Hi Schezzy-tan-chan, stop cutting me.
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It's too fucking hot to play mafia.
Anyway, I'm lumping in Shadoweh with the neutrals for now.
I'll reevaluate this when the weather cools down a bit. (haha fat chance)
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More JOB:
First of all this infuriates me like you don't even know.Why is it ok for you to forget someone and not follow it up when you FUCKING VOTED me over this?
Huh? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg749926.html#msg749926)
This to me, means that you lack consistency in even your ability to vote others with you own logic, so how do I not take this as scum holding double standards?
82 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg750015.html#msg750015)No, I stated you were sheeping. Whether or not you were doing multiple reasons was up to your interpretation that you use against me. Doesn't hold because that's not what happened.
Again:This holds an air of indignant offense that, "how dare you accuse me of sheeping?!"
I tell you, and now your response is that I was just waiting to fling false accusations with no evidence. After all this you still hold it against me even when I told the truth on a legitimate point. So why do you feel you're still right to accuse me over this when you admitted to doing it yourself?
This point. Does not compute.
Reread my explanation for voting Dormio again and get back to me.
I don't know about you but when someone says they dislike me I take that as they thinking I'm scum.
You're right about him not saying that quote. You did. So why is that a reason to hold against me with Dormio when you yourself made it?
I'm not in the past because of you trying to nail me for a point you made. Link me to this and show me how I'm wrong.
I voted you for forgetting about me and not even mentioning me afterwards. At least with that sentence I asked people to notify me if I missed something, which implies that I'm willing to follow up on it. Why are you saying I'm not following up on it when nobody has even mentioned anything to follow up on.
Okay then I interpreted that wrong. But that invalidates you point too.
Stop using tells based on how you read it. That was made with a smug bastard mindset not and offended one. Interpretation tells like this are shitty and should not be used.
I think you need to reread it instead.
Well if someone said they disliked me I would just think they didn't like something I was doing. If they said they thought I was scummy then I would think they find me scummy. See the difference.
The thing is, I'm saying that Dormio didn't do that, but I did. Yet you attack Dormio for that reason, but don't attack me for that.
I don't need to link you at all. Look back through your posts and find the one where you said that "I was creating a situation that never happened". Because that looks like to me that you were too far back in the past. You assumed I was talking about an earlier time, but I wasn't.
I think we should stop this argument before it gets too far out of hand.
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Job: No because I don't see some of your points and I'm giving you chance to reexplain them like I have Dormio incident 5 times.
Please do this because I'm questioning you because I think you're scummy. You have a chance to redeem yourself but you aren't utilizing this by explaining your views and are instead telling me to go back and show you what I think again. I know what I think. I want you to tell me what you think again because the first time around you were clear as mud.
But again, not mentioning you after is the same thing as having to have someone point out "Hey. What happened to your comments about X?" You should be saying them by yourself.
Like, I don't see how it invalidates my point, it does just yours.
If you don't want me to use tells on how I read what you're saying then be more clear with how you say things.
I think we're being civil here. But I want you to find the links and evidence so it doesn't become, you said I said.
Dormio's flat wall with no spacing:
Uh, okay. I thought it was obvious that I was unvoting due to seeing the L-1 warning put up by Zakeri a few posts before mine.
But it wasn't because leaving it up to others to decide creates stuff like this.
Filler thing is ok then.
If I did not vote, is it not apparent that I am not going to vote?
No it wasn't apparent and we got into a thing because of this. I think it's scummy for you to have no suspicion on anyone at all even if it's the RVS while at the same time expressing DISLIKE which could be reason to vote someone and instead choosing to sit there without a vote.
I didn't clarify who I wanted to vote because I wasn't sure at the time. I disliked PX, but did not feel that he deserved a vote at that point in time. What of it?
Why would I go back to Shadoweh, when I had only voted her due to it being RVS?
Wait a minute. We got into a thing because you had dislike of PX and no real suspicion of Shadoweh and didn't vote either. So when I asked you what your suspicion (your dislike comment of PX) was you immediately just jump onto me for asking where your vote went?
I wanted to see Shadoweh respond to some posts before making a judgement. The same applies to what Dan said to Zakeri.
Serela does need to post. He's doing this thing where he doesn't exist and therefore cannot be read.
Then why just say interesting instead of say, "I'm waiting for your responses." Ugh fine this is still just null then for no clarity.
As much as I hate meta, JOB is JOB. Lynching him would feel like a policy lynch to me, and I hate policy lynches more than using meta.
So you don't find bad logic on bad logic on bad logic scummy just because of who's saying it? Ok then.
And what am I supposed to do if you misinterpret my actions? To me, a dislike is not reason enough by itself for me to get behind a lynch.
Ok, but now I have you saying outright that you find people wanting to learn more about your nonexistent suspicion to vote anyone, scummy for trying to read your motives. That is what this whole situation has played out to look like for me. Since you just jumped on me for wanting to know what dislike of PX was. And I don't like you for that since that's what this whole goes back to. So we're done with this thing and I know what to think of you now.
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I've explained my posts many times already. So I don't see why I have to do it anymore. You can read can't you?
And it already has become you said, I said.
I just want to end this argument here. You think I'm scummy and I think you're scummy. That's all.
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Personally insulting me isn't getting you anywhere.
No it's you make silly arguments and can't be bothered to go reread and explain when you are inconsistent and unclear as hell.
This argument will end when you reread and tell me how I'm wrong, and restate your points to something that is legible.
I already said what I think of you and you have yet to disprove it. That would involve you, getting some links and quotes and showing me what you're thinking.
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I already said what I think of you and you have yet to disprove it..
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How's that for getting a quote to show you what I'm thinking?
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(http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr139/namethecool/tumblr_lg2ixf9V4p1qzfqrx.gif)
Then just restate and say it again. Don't just quote yourself, say it in a more clear way for us to read it and understand.
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It can't really get any clearer.
Why can't you just :dealwithit:?
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Yes you can because your initial explanation for it was not clear in the slightest.
Why is it so hard for you to reread and explain it again?
You could start by stop being belligerent and difficult.
I'm not going to "Deal with it" since what you're pulling is against the spirit of the game. Please, can you do what I ask?
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And how do you think I feel when you guys ask the same question over and over again while I provide the same answer every fucking time?
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It would be cool for you to leave the argument with that except
SCHEZO IS TOWN
So you're only allowed to 'dwi' if you're done badgering each other and ready to find some actual scum. Not that I think they're posting right now. =.=
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JOB, you realize we ask you questions because the first answer wasn't good enough right? Giving the same answer over and over is your failing, not Schezo's. If people have to ask again it means expand on what you said in the first place, not repeat yourself and tell people it's their problem you don't know how to explain yourself properly. Sadly your level of belligerence has convinced me you're likely town and we cannot indulge in your destruction.
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I've already explained myself many times, it's all perfectly clear.
SCHEZO IS TOWN
I've already asked you why you feel so strongly about this.
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Just to clarify, that last sentence is me asking you again.
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If it were perfectly clear people would not ask again.
Because apparently I'm the only one who sees a difference between how Schezo acts when he's a pro-town force and when he's a scummy mcobvscum. He is not acting like scum. There are too many words and he cares too much.
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Meta is fine for beginning suspicion/clearing. But it won't last long unless you can find something to back it up.
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Nonsense. Meta is good the whole week long. It's not my fault you don't know any better.
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Tally V: The Votecount of the "Grapes Fermented into Wine (In Front Of Me)"
J.O.B (2): Schezo, Komeiji PX
Komeiji PX (2): MySTKing, J.O.B
WHMZakeri (2): Shadoweh, ActionDan
Schezo (1): Tamamo no dorMae
Tamamo no dorMae (1): Serela
Shadoweh (1): WHMZakeri
Not Voting: None!
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. You have about 41 hours remaining in the day, so you had better not waste them~.
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Meta is fine for beginning suspicion/clearing. But it won't last long unless you can find something to back it up.
Meta is the only reason you haven't been quicklynched yet, you know. :V I would say something about rocks and a home made of glass here, but I fail to recall the correct phrase. I'm pretty sure that it's bad if I feel that lynching you would result in a total crapshoot in regards to information from the flip.
Basically, my case on Schezo boils down to me disliking the way he phrased his #56, and Schezo's on me is that I did not vote again after unvoting due to the whole fake L-1 mess.
I'm going to leave it at that, because it's really distracting.
Now, let's take a look here at PX.
His #41 is a whole bunch of questions, which he naturally follows up on with... Wait a second...
Like I commented in #53, PX's #41 basically sums up to naught but fluff. Dislike.
PX's other post, #89, I wonder what lies in this post.
In that post, you create a random list of reads without explaining any of them before or during. It all seems like a lazy way to look active, and active lurking.
Hey, I wonder who's doing pretty much the exact same thing.
I mean, I have no idea where your scummy reading of Shadoweh came from, and I queried you about this in #95. I am still awaiting a response.
I would also like to reiterate my question from #95 in regards to why ActionDan is considered to be townie to you, whereas Conq and Zakeri are simply null.
I also touched upon this in my #95, to me it feels as though PX is going for the easy lynch by going after JOB.
Actually, you know what?
##Unvote
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Fine, since you guys are so content with using meta then let me say this:
PX is reminding me of a slightly more wordier version of how he played in Vanilla Mafia 2. PX was scum in Vanilla Mafia 2.
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Shadoweh, if you thought Zak was being unfair towards you when he voted you, what did you mean by "I deserved that"? Could you answer that specifically. I can't shake the weird feeling you are giving me between your acceptance of Zak's post shortly after he posted, and taking umbrage only recently. Other things you've mentioned since don't change my opinion one way or the other (although you seem more yourself).
I have not been sentient enough to look at every point/quote concerning the recent arguements between Job/Schezo/Dormio because each time there is a one-line quote, it completely throws my thought process off balance. I do not think any of them should be lynched over Zak/Shadoweh/PX
Px's post was OK to me besides his desire to rid JOB of his life. JOB's "faulty logic" has been exaggerated, since before my #87 I understood most of posts barring a few awkward phrasings and sentences. His repetition of others is much more blatant, but I disagree that it has a scummy intent.
Also, I read that Pamela Ibis post and I agree it is beyond a doubt similiar and on-purpose. The only thing is that I while we all called the post terribad, in retrospect, I feel like the post was only half serious. It would be best for Zak to settle that as soon as possible.
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Fair enough, though I do get the feeling that you're somewhat contradicting yourself by saying the following:Why did you feel the need to provide an out for Schezo in regards to the question about JOB? If you wanted to let Schezo defend himself, would it not be better for you to ignore both accusations I made against him?
Oh, I just realized that you never answered this, Shadoweh.
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@Dan #126: If you take out the JOB section of PX's #89, which I assume is the post that you're referring to, what is left in that post?
A statement that says that you're looking townie? :V
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I'm very concerned about this post.
I am disheartened to find, yet understand that my attempts to pin scum may potentially be seen as pulling reads out of my ass. I am tempted to discount Dormio's gut reaction as being 100% town, but that would involve me undermining my town read on him. I will, instead admit that I didn't observe Dormio's actions too critically, as I was focused on how scummy Shadoweh's reaction was. I will simply add that fact onto my reasoning for why I believe both Dormio and Schezo are town.
I admit it's a stretch to say that Shadoweh believed she was going to be lynched. She did still panic at the wagon and she produced a complete deflection from herself onto random people, one of whom being a person who hasn't posted anything with enough substance to take a serious look at. On top of that, the clear on Schezo feels as if it was rewarding him for both thinking she's scum and not going after her with his weird yet reasonable defense while at the same time attempting to mimic her town playstyle of being psychic very observant and insightful. Her read of Schezo's meta is true, however his town meta didn't kick in until post 75, about 26 posts after her clear. Anything before that can be read as putting in token effort.
Zakeri's is probably intentionally involking his post from that one game I was scum in
I am not, you big meanie!
Actually, when I look back, I guess I did do that. HW was even the mod of that game, too.
This also clarifies your earlier post about UK. The thing is I'm going after you for something that I feel scumscum would do, not scumUK or townShadoweh.
to Address non-Shadoweh related issues...
Everybody says that PX is really, really, bad, and I'll have to take their word for it because I cannot find a single manifestation of any of his posts in the thread despite people implying they exist. There's Conqueror's post, which is a very nice post, Lots and lots of posts from JOB which is par for him, and NeoSerela's post which has Rise-chan in them an-
oh, wait, those are PX's posts. Where the hell has NeoSerela been, then? coddammit.
A large part of PX's post is basically going after JOB for being JOB. I don't believe in going after people for using bad play alone, so I disagree with the assessment against JOB. On the other hand, I don't believe in going after people for using bad play alone, so I also disagree with going after PX. Listing everyone with reads on them, including some nulls, is another sign of bad play, so I'm feeling pretty lenient on him anyw-I'm a Senpai? :]
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ho fuq I forgot mafia existed
it's been so long since the last game ;_;
Oh god now I remember why reading several pages of posts at once is horrifically bad for me making any sort of deductions from anything. Then again d1 is almost always like that for me. Oh yeah it's just that I suck at d1, now I remember :] ...;_; Arrrgh lets see what I can do with this.
Okay so first impression over reading is that I don't feel right voting JOB, Dormio at the current time (This does not necessarily mean I think they're town, I just don't know how to brain on them at all yet). And Schezo is looking pretty town.
So like on that meta debate JOB/Shadoweh had recently, basically, it's not that great to just say "xxx is scum because that other time they were scum they did this too". It's totally fine to have AS a reason, just not as the MAIN (or especially not -only-) reason. With town reads it's different. Partially because, well, honestly people usually just say someone is town without -any- reasoning beyond like "Oh they're doing good and stuff". I mean you don't expect people to run around giving some big case on why someone is town (Unless it's really important e.g. they're in danger of being lynched).
Anyway HOORAY SEMANTICS DISCUSSION but moving on. Hrm so I've still got 5 people to be looking at.
Okay so I read Zakeri's 2 non-rvs posts and... wait wut? ...*Blinks* So WHO do you think is scum again, Zakeri? After your recent post I can't figure out how much you still do or do not believe whether Shadoweh is actually scum or not, and there's a bunch of waffles over PX that I'm also going "uhhh" on.
CAAAAN YOU FEEL THE LOOOVE TONIGHT nope I can't zakeri I cannot feel the love anyway tl;dr not sure I like Zak that much so far, moving on
okay don't wanna vote Dan either he looks fine so far. PX... I'm undecided. I'll just write him off as neutral read at the moment.
Conq looks weird. Like, something about his posts just seems... off to me. I can't put my finger on it. I don't like this at all, though.
I am disheartened to find, yet understand that my attempts to pin scum may potentially be seen as pulling reads out of my ass.
Well you're the MAGICAL MAFIA DIVINER so clearly this is fine
In all non-sarcasticness it bothers me that I do this as town every time and you guys call me scum for it every time. It's like we've never spent any time together at all.
You know us well but we don't know you at all~♪ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRF9smhIMXY&t=20s)
Anyway so tl;dr I don't like Zak too much, Conq looks weird, neutral on PX, everyone else I don't want to vote right now. My read on Shadoweh is I don't know but I think that either her or Zak is probably a scum for reasons I can't remember anymore but they totally made sense when I could almost tell what they were (I think)
erm I'm not sure whether I'd rather lynch her or Zak today though
well I think that'd be zak actually, but I should probably reread them more
anyway for now
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(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/Rise2.png) That's it, it's on!
##BGM: Reach Out to the Truth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzFl6sWHmXI)
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I asked you earlier in the game when you didn't like me for that, "What else could you have added?"
Oh, I don't know, ask some more question, vote other people, not say it in a tone that sounds like, "Oh, don't ask because we're not getting anything from it." Because that's how I read that post.
That's a player tell. I'm not the best mafia player you know.
Hiding behind meta. Yeah, using what others say.
All I asked for were stances, not why. Maybe you should read my posts.
Yeah, you're not addressing my point at all.
In case you didn't realise, if I got my times right, those two posts were like minutes apart. I explained it in the post straight after them.
STILL avoiding the point. Why does it take you two people before you actually explain your reads? And wtf does the first sentence have to do with anything, AT ALL?
So?
Your reasoning sucks, thus your vote sucks.
It is relevant, everyone thought it was L-1, so why not count it as if it was L-1.
And you're acting as if not voting someone to L-1 is a scumtell. Yeah, no.
This is arguably the worst sentence I've seen this game. Sheeping can also mean you agree with someone. Also how is sheeping 1 reason out of 3 make me deserve to die.
Sheeping (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Sheeping): The act of following the popular wagon or popular player with no independent intent.
Indeed, you have only been pursuing cases AFTER someone else votes them, and then use their words as a case. Thus, you show no push to actually find scum.
Seriously Conq sums this whole post up better than I ever could.
Yeah, he said nothing about why he's voting me. GJ trying to hide behind someone else.
Maybe you should learn to read and learn to answer. You're basically throwing accusations at me without doing the research on them. You know what that means?
Yeah okay, fuck you. I could take it if you disprove my case, but you've done nothing but avoid it and hiding behind meta. And if that wasn't enough, you decide to insult me personally. I can take most insults, but the one thing I cannot tolerate is when somebody calls me stupid. I swear, until you die, my vote will now forever stay on you.
In fact, the rest of your posts pretty much read as avoiding the issue on hand. And on top of this, if anyone ever questions you, you just hide behind "Deal with it, it's me." or "I'm a newbie." or "I do that thing all the time."
TO EVERYBODY ELSE WHO IS GIVING JOB A CLEAR ON META, FUCK YOU. IF ANYBODY FUCKING ELSE DID THIS, YOU WOULD BE SCREAMING SCUM IN THEIR FACE AND VOTING THEM TO OBLIVION. FUCK THIS META CLEAR, ALL YOU'RE DOING IS PROMOTING BAD PLAY, LETTING HIM STAY AT THIS LEVEL INSTEAD OF GETTING HIM TO IMPROVE, AND GENERALLY JUST INFURIATING EVERYONE ELSE.
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Only one post while I was asleep? :(
Well, at least Serela posted.
Not that I really like the post. It feels to me as though Serela is basically fencesitting on myself, JOB, Conq, and PX. As well as not really mentioning Shadoweh. Bleh, whatever.
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brb reading
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PX vs. JOB is a thing that I have no real idea on what to think of.
Hey PX, who do you think is scum outside of JOB?
Hey JOB, who do you think is scum outside of PX?
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Dan, you ever going to follow up with this?
No more time at the moment. I'll get to Schezo later but he's better (more town) than Px/Shadoweh/Zak but worse than Dormio/Conq/Job. (I also haven' t read Job/Schezo walls as they came up while I typed this).
or do the stuff I asked you to?
The Dormio/Schezo fight is a goldmine. It solidifies for me a town read of Dormio while I remain unconvinced of Schezo's attacks upon Dormio.
If this is such a gold mine, would you mind elaborating with examples where you get town vibes from Dormio?
Because right now, you're scaring me by not getting down and dirty with these issues that you yourself claim is a goldmine. Words if you would.
Serela's post now that he's started playing seems alright and brings up some nice points like the ones on Zak. He's a null one.
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Less rage, more mafia. Also it's a pain to read line by line walls that stretch more than a page; please don't do that.
Schezo: Eh, I'm not going to pursue it further. I still think it's getting overly worked up on something relatively small but ED1/cases are shit etc.
I'm reading your case on JOB and I'm not getting the gist of it because a lot of it seems to be based on refuting shitty logic. I've basically stopped reading the exchange between the two of you because I'm not getting anything from it and it's a null tell to me until you two can stop posting in quote stripes that no one will ever read. Seriously.
I don't really have a strong read on JOB. The "player tell" I mentioned was to point out that it's not a scumtell for JOB to be infuriating (in fact, I think he's likely to be more appeasing as scum as seen by his first game). Regardless, I don't think JOB is a good lynch. His obstinateness makes my head spin but I don't think it's scummy.
My problem with you is that it looks like to me that you're attacking JOB based on bad logic. That's probably the easiest way for scum to look like they're scumhunting. As it stands, what do you think about not!Job?
Posting this first while I read other posts.
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PX: Right, so PX is actually doing what I accused Schezo of doing (pursuing JOB in a logic piss-off contest), except he hasn't done anything else to make me think he might be town.
I swear, until you die, my vote will now forever stay on you.
I'm not buying the "I'm frustrated so I'm just going to leave my vote on this guy" act. I still remember Kitten4U hiding behind the stance of lynching an infuriating player (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8444.msg555502.html#msg555502) to go without producing anything else.
TO EVERYBODY ELSE WHO IS GIVING JOB A CLEAR ON META, FUCK YOU. IF ANYBODY FUCKING ELSE DID THIS, YOU WOULD BE SCREAMING SCUM IN THEIR FACE AND VOTING THEM TO OBLIVION. FUCK THIS META CLEAR, ALL YOU'RE DOING IS PROMOTING BAD PLAY, LETTING HIM STAY AT THIS LEVEL INSTEAD OF GETTING HIM TO IMPROVE, AND GENERALLY JUST INFURIATING EVERYONE ELSE.
So you just want to lynch him because you think his play is bad. Gotcha. Happy with my vote.
Cutting myself again.
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tl;dr JOB is scum for doing some really scummy shit and you guys are all going "It's JOB"
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A large part of PX's post is basically going after JOB for being JOB. I don't believe in going after people for using bad play alone, so I disagree with the assessment against JOB. On the other hand, I don't believe in going after people for using bad play alone, so I also disagree with going after PX. Listing everyone with reads on them, including some nulls, is another sign of bad play, so I'm feeling pretty lenient on him
I'd like some clarification on this, Zak. By this reckoning some people would never be mafia.
Shadoweh, why is Zakeri scum for sounding like Pamela?
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tl;dr JOB is scum for doing some really scummy shit and you guys are all going "It's JOB"
(http://i42.tinypic.com/lznuc.jpg)
But in all seriousness, why don't you concisely summarize the scummy shit JOB has done? In a format that people can actually read. I didn't garner anything productive from your past few posts.
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I am tempted to discount Dormio's gut reaction as being 100% town, but that would involve me undermining my town read on him. I will, instead admit that I didn't observe Dormio's actions too critically, as I was focused on how scummy Shadoweh's reaction was. I will simply add that fact onto my reasoning for why I believe both Dormio and Schezo are town.
This still implys that Dormio is 100% town to you because Shadoweh is 100% scum. I don't think your pulling reads out of your ass, but you are forcing them to be flawless here. On a more technical note, if Dormio's gut reaction is something inconsequencial enough to not be explained, why are so content to add it as circumstancial evidence when it has the potential to "undermine" your town read?
I admit it's a stretch to say that Shadoweh believed she was going to be lynched. She did still panic at the wagon and she produced a complete deflection from herself onto random people, one of whom being a person who hasn't posted anything with enough substance to take a serious look at. On top of that, the clear on Schezo feels as if it was rewarding him for both thinking she's scum and not going after her with his weird yet reasonable defense while at the same time attempting to mimic her town playstyle of being psychic very observant and insightful. Her read of Schezo's meta is true, however his town meta didn't kick in until post 75, about 26 posts after her clear. Anything before that can be read as putting in token effort.
For the Schezo clear I will tentatively agree with you here in that IF Shadoweh is Scum, your behavioral documentation on the wild Shadoweh is justified. However, I think a town!Shadoweh is just as capable of pronouncing town reads even for less than enviable reasons. The read happens to be a very easy one to make, so I read this as null. Just because events played out that way does not make it a clearly scummy action of Shadoweh's.
I disagree Shadoweh seemed Paniced, perhaps just irritated, as proven by her statement later about being annoyed at being a default early band wagon and further exsasperated by many people believing her to be scummy (which was really exaggerated). The deflection that Shadoweh claims was a serious question to you still does look like one of her scummier D1 actions.
Everybody says that PX is really, really, bad, and I'll have to take their word for it because I cannot find a single manifestation of any of his posts in the thread despite people implying they exist. There's Conqueror's post, which is a very nice post, Lots and lots of posts from JOB which is par for him, and NeoSerela's post which has Rise-chan in them an-
oh, wait, those are PX's posts. Where the hell has NeoSerela been, then? coddammit.
A large part of PX's post is basically going after JOB for being JOB. I don't believe in going after people for using bad play alone, so I disagree with the assessment against JOB. On the other hand, I don't believe in going after people for using bad play alone, so I also disagree with going after PX. Listing everyone with reads on them, including some nulls, is another sign of bad play, so I'm feeling pretty lenient on him anyw-I'm a Senpai? :]
This is too reportary/cheeky for my liking.
Basically while it seems you have a lot of confidence with your reads, you are not inspiring any within me and I find most of your analysis speculatory or insubstanial at best.
Let me ask, are you convinced Shadoweh is 100% scum?
Continuing onwards presently...
Oh, cut by Schezo. To be honest the issue sorta subsided.
Your vote on Dormio (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg749829.html#msg749829) was punishing of something that I thought was quite townie, and your post responding to JOB (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg749836.html#msg749836) seems to imply you actually find Shadoweh Scummier but don't want to vote her for L-1 considerations and would rather apply your vote elsewhere as to be useful. Your further rebuke (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg749872.html#msg749872) WAS agressive and hostile even though just a few posts before, Dormio had calmly stated that he wanted you to expand upon your reasoning for the vote besides "cutting it out" before he cast a vote. Note that I do not think the blank unvote was scummy at all and of course Dormio would not have thought this either. Yet you acted as if it was definitively bad and that Dormio should know better. Considering you let go of shadoweh in the same post while asserting that Dormio "should fix that" seems like renewed justification for why you are voting Dormio. I see a stupified Dormio implusively voting you as a town tell. Your continued aggression (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg749878.html#msg749878) tells me you aren't considering his point of view seriously. Furthermore, Dormio had a point about the degree of insistance you were expressing when telling Dormio to vote Px. It's not natural to be ok with forcing Dormio to vote Px (for all you know could be a townie) when you have not said anything about him yourself.
Your further statements about Dormio:
Durrmio: You highly dislike the statement I made about you outright stating you don't like PX yet don't bother to vote him or anything beyond that so later you can what? Use it as anchorage for a case? Voting for him is the only thing you can do at this point in the game. Unless you know, you want to cheerlead.
Can I put it this way? Dormio's execution of this blank unvote feels to me like LLD's miller claim in Jojo's. It threw me for a loop and how he proceeded to roll with it almost felt like trapping. I don't like it.
The problem with this gets to where you, Dormio, expressed distaste of PX and proceeded to not do a thing with it. I pointed that out and you just smack me with a vote.
make no sense to me and were totally unconvincing. Seriously I thought your mind was warped. I am still putting you in neutral because your saving grace is that you could just be on a townie crusade. You seem to be heated against everyone and most everything. This is also why I could understand why Job disliked you, and why I felt it was a natural sentiment.
I'm going to allow Serela to fill in the holes for her reads. Most are based purely on some kind of emotional response. That said, I don't think it's a scummy post.
I can't judge Px's post properly without a re-read of Job... which is going to be painful.
@Dormio: The thing I liked in Px's #89 was when he called YOU a townie, not me (which I thought was null). I'm surprised you forgot about that. Also your vote is on Px, so I find "PX vs. JOB is a thing that I have no real idea on what to think of" kinda odd.
o god 5 cuts.
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<~Pesco> btw the mafia game needs more 'Fuck you's
No, no it doesn't. >_>
I can completely understand why PX is infuriated since JOB has been pretty much just trolling him and Schezo. This still doesn't answer the question I asked. As Conqueror points out, it still looks like you're chasing him for being bad without caring if he's scum. I will say my urge to lynch PX over this decreases with every post. Stop reading JOB's posts for a minute, they're very distracting, and tell us who your second pick for scum would be.
Oh, Dormio, I did answer that question.
Because I didn't feel the point about JOB was worth anything.
And the saying is don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.
Shadoweh, if you thought Zak was being unfair towards you when he voted you, what did you mean by "I deserved that"? Could you answer that specifically. I can't shake the weird feeling you are giving me between your acceptance of Zak's post shortly after he posted, and taking umbrage only recently. Other things you've mentioned since don't change my opinion one way or the other (although you seem more yourself).
Because it was so similar I assumed it was a half-joke in the first place. The umbrage has to do with the however many hours I had at work to think about what he said and the fact that a lack of a second post meant he was posting it seriously. As for you I think you should take a stance on the half of the game you're neglecting in favor of me/Zak/PX. What do you think about Conqueror? (inb4noshadowehwhutdoUthink)
I am tempted to discount Dormio's gut reaction as being 100% town, but that would involve me undermining my town read on him. I will, instead admit that I didn't observe Dormio's actions too critically, as I was focused on how scummy Shadoweh's reaction was. I will simply add that fact onto my reasoning for why I believe both Dormio and Schezo are town.
Why are you tempted to discount it, and what on earth does my 'scummy reaction' have to do with you not observing Dormio's actions too critically and him being more town to you? You think he's town because you didn't look at him because I'm scum?
I wouldn't say I was panicing, so much as exclaiming how much of a jerk you all are. :V
I would say that Schezo posting anything of substance within the first 8 hours of the game was the town tell, actually. He's not waiting and seeing. Have I mentioned Schezo is Town Lately?
I will attempt to talk to you about what I think of my meta despite how much of a distaste it gives me. Scum!Shadoweh doesn't have townie friends. Scum!Shadoweh has Lynch Targets, People who are Going to Help me Lynch those Targets, and People who are Getting Shot in the Face. I do not think I have ever gone out of my way to declare someone town as scum. I don't think I ever will either, it's far more trouble then it's worth.
I don't feel like there's much of content in your post other then that. You still feel like you're fooling around. You don't seem to have any other targets and from the look of it, everyone but me is town to you. Since from my perspective there are two scum out there I find that hard to believe.
I'm getting cut a hundred times so I'm going to post this now so I can read what's going on.
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I should tally the people I won't vote for just to see who's left.
1. ActionDan
2. J.O.B
3. Komeiji PX
4. MySTKing (Conqueror)
5. Schezo
6. Serela
7. Shadoweh
8. Tamamo no dorMae (Dormio)
9. WHMZakeri
Now why is it I don't trust Conqueror? Maybe it's because he attacks me in his first post I'm.. actually not sure. I think it's because he's pursuing all the people I think are town. I feel like I should be okay with him but I don't really want to clear him. This is confusing! About Zak, I'm saying he's scum for reusing old logic to come after me when ze scum, she is in another castle.
Serela actually made a post! I was wondering if the people who said it was okay can actually explain to me why the okay parts are good. >.> Because I find it O_o that the only response he's gotten is 'Well that sure is a Serela! Back to attacking X.'
Serela, how hard is it to get a read on JOB seriously. Do you think he's town or scum? Dormio is being all tunnelio, you must have an idea of where that puts him for you. Same with Zak and Conqy, If you could, I don't know, point to something they've said that gives you these bad feelings about them it would help read your completely non-sensical mind.
Anyway so tl;dr I don't like Zak too much, Conq looks weird, neutral on PX, everyone else I don't want to vote right now. My read on Shadoweh is I don't know but I think that either her or Zak is probably a scum for reasons I can't remember anymore but they totally made sense when I could almost tell what they were (I think)
>_________> You've never given a bad word on me and had a speech about Zak, but today is Me or Zak to you with some dashings of if Zak is town Shadoweh is scum?
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Hey PX, who do you think is scum outside of JOB?
Anyway, I should do that thing where I reread Shadoweh.
I'll make another post when I'm done.
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I think I'm leaning town on Shadoweh.
Though, on my reread, I find myself thinking that Zakeri is weird. I'll post again when I have time.
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I am tired, but sleep+school means I won't be back for a long time so I'll try to follow up on stuff a little bit now, don't expect much until I'm back tomorrow though
Serela, how hard is it to get a read on JOB seriously. Do you think he's town or scum? Dormio is being all tunnelio, you must have an idea of where that puts him for you. Same with Zak and Conqy, If you could, I don't know, point to something they've said that gives you these bad feelings about them it would help read your completely non-sensical mind.>_________> You've never given a bad word on me and had a speech about Zak, but today is Me or Zak to you with some dashings of if Zak is town Shadoweh is scum?
I'll do a those rereads tomorrow because god knows I won't get anywhere tonight even if I try, but honestly not being interested in voting them makes them overall uninteresting for me right now, and it's not like I don't have other people I'm suspicious of
As far Zak, I did actually have sort of a case on him! That's waiting on him to respond first, though.
Today isn't really you or Zak to me (If lynch was -right now- I'd be fine with Conq but it's just I can't explain exactly why I don't like him right now, need to figure that out) oh god this post really is going nowhere fast. What I need to do is follow up on my Conq stuff and remember where my You/Zak thing was coming from because I don't even know right now. k going to bed
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Conq find me a good reaction shot depicting me strangling Serela would you.
You're avoiding the huge mess of posts between JOB and everyone and effectively posting hello game brb tomorrow! I expect actual follow up from you. Well honestly no I don't but I'm going to demand it anyways. I think I'm just annoyed with you for now. But by the time you post next it'll be consolidation time. We need to start thinking about whoo The Lynch is going to be. I'm still happy with throwing Zakeri off a cliff. I feel like PX has been coming on pretty strong and would be the strong obvtown if people weren't attacking him for wacky reasons. JOB is being a troll and I'd rather lynch the troll then PX. (There are so many things wrong with that sentence.)
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(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/Rise7.png) So you want me to state why JOB is scum? Well just sidown and let me tell you all about it.
First, let's look at his early game. He posts a lot, but they're mostly just small questions or small comments, and don't seem like attempting to find scum or create discussion. Lack of initiative to find scum.
Next, his list of reads (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg749884.html#msg749884), which he provided no reason for until TWO (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg749908.html#msg749908) people (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg749909.html#msg749909) asked him. And his reasons for his reads (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg749926.html#msg749926)? A pretty crappy reason on why he's voting Schezo, and basically taking Conq's post for why Shadoweh is scum. Note that Conq's post was made WELL after JOB said that he found Shadoweh scummy. He's not honest scumhunting, he's just finding popular wagons, following them, and stealing reasons. AKA sheeping.
I voted you for forgetting about me and not even mentioning me afterwards.
...And how does that make him scum? Are you implying that he's your scumbuddy and that the reason why he's scum is because he's ignoring you because that's what scum usually do with their scumbuddies. Oh, and if you want to talk about that.
I might just mention that I wanna vote for Shadoweh but I want a votecount first.
And you never talked about Shadoweh again.
As for sheeping, you're not saying "This guy is scum because X", you're going "This guy is scum because Y says this guy is scum for X". If that's not lazy scumhunting at its finest, then I don't know what is.
Fine, since you guys are so content with using meta then let me say this:
PX is reminding me of a slightly more wordier version of how he played in Vanilla Mafia 2. PX was scum in Vanilla Mafia 2.
This is just terrible. In your words.
I'm not just gonna let you sit there making accusations against me without some evidence or opinions.
And his response to any cases made against him? Avoiding answering the accusations, and personal insults that only serve to anger the opposition. You know, basically ignoring everything that's said against them and making the other person sound less irrational?
These all combined are very scummy playing and behavior. And before you go "But that's JOB!", fuck you. You know that you would instantly vote anyone else doing this. Why is it that I get all the shit when I do any of this, but JOB gets a free clear when he does all this shit.
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/Rise2.png) Oh! A post from Serela-sempai!
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/Rise6.png) As for everything else, I'll get to that in another post while I reread.
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/Rise8.png) Shadoweh-san, why do you interrupt me?!
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Because cutting you is fun and profitable.
BTW I'm cutting you again. :D
Don't be so emotional. You make it sound like anyone not voting for JOB is personally insulting you, that's not a good way to phrase things.
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Okay then PX, in case you haven't realised, I haven't actually been avoiding your questions at all. I've been providing answers for them. You say I'm throwing out insults (yes I will admit I am getting a bit rough) but how do you think I feel when you guys say that I'm shitty at mafia, that I can't play at all, that people should vote me because I suck at this? When people say that I get so annoyed, so don't just think I'm the one doing all the insults. Maybe you should take a look at your posts too.
Oh and I might mention that the reason I stopped arguing with Schezo (I wouldn't be surprised if you guys didn't find this to be a good reason) was because I was getting really frustrated with repeating myself over and over every time. I know that's one thing you'll encounter in mafia, but after a while it just gets annoying. The longer I stay frustrated and annoyed, the more likely it will be for me to enter the "fuck this" mindset, which will (quite obviously) make me not give a shit about what I do, which is against the spirit of the game. Would you rather have someone who is trying to play the game (though not doing so well at it) or would you rather someone who doesn't give a shit?
Okay then, I know that will most likely come across as AtE, but it's how I feel personally.
Now I got that out of the way PX I will respond to your two other posts when I next post (which will be soon (hopefully)).
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Hey JOB, who do you think is scum outside of PX?
Also, when people ask for you to reiterate yourself, it's usually a good idea to comply. Saying "lolIalreadysaidthis" only annoys every party involved.
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Oh, I don't know, ask some more question, vote other people, not say it in a tone that sounds like, "Oh, don't ask because we're not getting anything from it." Because that's how I read that post.
Yeah, you're not addressing my point at all.
STILL avoiding the point. Why does it take you two people before you actually explain your reads? And wtf does the first sentence have to do with anything, AT ALL?
Your reasoning sucks, thus your vote sucks.
And you're acting as if not voting someone to L-1 is a scumtell. Yeah, no.
Sheeping (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Sheeping): The act of following the popular wagon or popular player with no independent intent.
Indeed, you have only been pursuing cases AFTER someone else votes them, and then use their words as a case. Thus, you show no push to actually find scum.
Yeah, he said nothing about why he's voting me. GJ trying to hide behind someone else.
Yeah okay, fuck you. I could take it if you disprove my case, but you've done nothing but avoid it and hiding behind meta. And if that wasn't enough, you decide to insult me personally. I can take most insults, but the one thing I cannot tolerate is when somebody calls me stupid. I swear, until you die, my vote will now forever stay on you.
In fact, the rest of your posts pretty much read as avoiding the issue on hand. And on top of this, if anyone ever questions you, you just hide behind "Deal with it, it's me." or "I'm a newbie." or "I do that thing all the time."
TO EVERYBODY ELSE WHO IS GIVING JOB A CLEAR ON META, FUCK YOU. IF ANYBODY FUCKING ELSE DID THIS, YOU WOULD BE SCREAMING SCUM IN THEIR FACE AND VOTING THEM TO OBLIVION. FUCK THIS META CLEAR, ALL YOU'RE DOING IS PROMOTING BAD PLAY, LETTING HIM STAY AT THIS LEVEL INSTEAD OF GETTING HIM TO IMPROVE, AND GENERALLY JUST INFURIATING EVERYONE ELSE.
Okay then, PX post number 1 (I'll do post 2 next post).
What should I have asked? I already asked all that could have been. And I was voting other people from the beginning. Funny thing is you say I should have voted other people, yet you were the 3rd person on Shadoweh's early D1 wagon.
Yes I am, you said I randomly provided stances without giving reasons. I addressed you point by saying that I never asked for reasons in the first place.
Why are you using this against me? It just means they asked me in rapid succsession, meaning I didn't have any time to respond in between (the reason I didn't respond was because I was playing Minecraft :V).
A vote is still a vote. Your voting me for bad play, voting for bad play alone is sucky. Your reason sucks, thus your vote sucks.
I'm acting as if the fact he is hesitant to vote her to L-1 is a scumtell. You vote someone if you're sure they're scum. Not because they don't have as much votes as your number 1 suspect (if the number 1 suspect is already at L-1 then it's an exception (anywhere not at the end of the day obviously)).
You accused me of sheeping using a case of mine as an example. That case had one sheeped reason, and two non-sheeped reasons. By your logic I'm one-part lazy two-parts active. So why are you calling me lazy. In fact, your sheeping too. Everybody else says I'm not playing the best, yet that is still your whole case on me.
I wasn't talking about his vote (though I included it in anyway, because I was going to vote you), I was talking about his summary of your post. "PX, wtf?" Was a perfect summary of that post.
Yet you call me stupid. You say I'm not playing well. Which is essentially calling me stupid. Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house (this should become a mafia motto or something). In fact, I included the last paragraph because you basically saying everyone is stupid for not voting me. So don't be a hypocrite.
I only mentioned the fact I sucked for like, one post (which is the one you're talking about). Seriously, read my posts will you?
Okay then, this post done. Onto the next one.
Cut by Dormio.
Oh sorry, I forgot about that question. Outside of PX, I think Schezo could be scum, possibly Shadoweh (though not as strong as earlier in the day). I haven't really had time to judge everyone else as much due to PX and Schezo (former being an asshole to me latter having a huge logic fight with me).
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Actually, this time I'm just gonna add my comments in bold or something to the quote, to make it easier to read.
First, let's look at his early game. He posts a lot, but they're mostly just small questions or small comments, and don't seem like attempting to find scum or create discussion. Lack of initiative to find scum. Says the person who is tunneling on me. Lack of initiative to find scum in anyone else.
Next, his list of reads (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg749884.html#msg749884), which he provided no reason for until TWO (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg749908.html#msg749908) people (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg749909.html#msg749909) asked him. And his reasons for his reads (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg749926.html#msg749926)? A pretty crappy reason on why he's voting Schezo, and basically taking Conq's post for why Shadoweh is scum. Note that Conq's post was made WELL after JOB said that he found Shadoweh scummy. He's not honest scumhunting, he's just finding popular wagons, following them, and stealing reasons. AKA sheeping.... Already addressed in the previous post.
And how does that make him scum? Are you implying that he's your scumbuddy and that the reason why he's scum is because he's ignoring you because that's what scum usually do with their scumbuddies. Oh, and if you want to talk about that.And you never talked about Shadoweh again. Who says scum normally ignore their scumbuddies? In CotA my buddies were bussing the hell out of me, how is that ignoring? I never talked about Shadoweh again because I got caught up with Schezo (and later you). Schezo didn't appear to have much going on at all when he forgot about me, only a little spat with Dormio (which escalated into something larger later, but that's beside the point).
As for sheeping, you're not saying "This guy is scum because X", you're going "This guy is scum because Y says this guy is scum for X". If that's not lazy scumhunting at its finest, then I don't know what is. How exactly have I been saying that? I've sheeped some reasons, but I've provided other reasons of my own. You can't call me lazy if I've been more acive than lazy. You're the lazy one. All you've been doing is tunneling on me for bad play, instead of finding the actual scum.
This is just terrible. In your words. What are you implying? That because I said it, it's terrible?
And his response to any cases made against him? Avoiding answering the accusations, and personal insults that only serve to anger the opposition. You know, basically ignoring everything that's said against them and making the other person sound less irrational? How much have I avoided? The Schezo fight doesn't count because that most likely would have escalated into something larger if it had kept going.
These all combined are very scummy playing and behavior. And before you go "But that's JOB!", fuck you. You know that you would instantly vote anyone else doing this. Why is it that I get all the shit when I do any of this, but JOB gets a free clear when he does all this shit. Why is it that you're not giving anyone else shit and instead giving me all the shit?
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Tally VI: The Votecount of the ""Wow, there isn't actually much grape-related food to work with here" Discovery"
Komeiji PX (3): MySTKing, J.O.B, Tamamo no dorMae
WHMZakeri (3): Shadoweh, ActionDan, Serela
J.O.B (2): Schezo, Komeiji PX
Shadoweh (1): WHMZakeri
Not Voting: None!
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. You have about 17.5 hours remaining in the day, so you had better not waste them~.
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I can completely understand why PX is infuriated since JOB has been pretty much just trolling him and Schezo.
How have I been trolling them? And weren't you trolling us a lot early game?
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I would call my posts more being playful. :p
Hey JOB, why am I scum?
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For the reasons I mentioned when I originally thought you were scum. Though you're not doing it as much now which is why my suspicion has lessened.
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Do you ever sleep?
I am stupid and don't remember what they are. Also, if you're going to continue to be suspicious something must still be bothering you. Name something recent that hasn't been covered by someone else.
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Could you please state those reasons?
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Link (Courtesy of PX)
reasons for his reads (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg749926.html#msg749926)?
Do you ever sleep?
I am stupid and don't remember what they are. Also, if you're going to continue to be suspicious something must still be bothering you. Name something recent that hasn't been covered by someone else.
It's only about 7PM here :V
One thing that bothers me about you is some of the reasons you have given. Some of them just seem a bit off to me.
Like how you called me a troll with no real example of how I am one (I'm still waiting for an answer to my question).
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I said I found Zakeri weird, and that I would reread him because of this when I had time. Well then, heaven or hell, let's rock.
First off, we have his fake L-1 vote on Shadoweh. This by itself was rather interesting, however, without any follow up given it kind of looks to me like a lazy way to earn townie cred for breaking us out of the RVS.
I assume that Zakeri's #71 is in response to Shadoweh's #49, where she calls Schezo town. Zakeri claims that Shadoweh is buddying up to Schezo, as he is trying to save her from being lynched.
I honestly find it hard to believe that anyone would be quicklynched in the RVS, and I doubt that Zakeri believes that such a thing could happen either. Which raises the question of why Zakeri would continue to hold onto this point. He admits himself that it is a stretch to think that Shadoweh believed that she was at actual risk of being lynched in #129. ???
Outside of this, his case on Shadoweh is... What is his case on Shadoweh? I don't get it, it sounds as though he's thinking that Shadoweh is scum for getting a read on Schezo. Zakeri fails to address anything else.
His clear of me, Schezo, and Serela is really sketchy. I mean, Schezo is town because Shadoweh called him town and Shadoweh is scum. Serela and I are town because we called each other scum at the beginning of the game. ???
He calls my argument with Schezo as being town vs. town, and that only noise will come out of it if we were left alone. If he believed this to be the case, why did he not do anything about it?
In addition, Zakeri says that my unvote of Shadoweh in response to the fake L-1 doesn't seem 100% town to him. Fair enough, however, this probably means that Zakeri believes that I did not believe that Shadoweh was likely to get lynched. Why can I think that Shadoweh won't be lynched, but not Shadoweh?
As in, if he can think that I did not believe that Shadoweh would be lynched, what happens to his case on Shadoweh which required her to believe that she was at risk of actually being lynched?
I mean, Zakeri's actions feel really off to me.
Now for my own sake, I'm going to reiterate my thoughts on PX.
I dislike how PX did not follow up on the questions he asked in #41.
I dislike the hypocriticism in PX's #89, where he created his own list with several null reads whilst saying that JOB doing this was scummy due to it being a lazy way of feigning scumhunting.
I feel that PX is going after an easy lynch in JOB, rather than looking for actual scum. After all, his entire case revolves around JOB using faulty logic.
I do not like how PX has been using rage at JOB as an excuse to ignore the rest of the game. I still have questions that I would like answered from him. Namely, why did he consider ActionDan to be townie in his list of reads when Conq and Zakeri had actually posted more than Dan, why did he believe Shadoweh to be scummy, and who he thinks is scummy outside of JOB.
Despite the fact that I asked him these questions on a few occasions, he never answered any of them, preferring to rage at JOB instead. He also ignores everything else that is happening in the game, with the whole rage at JOB business.
Yep, I would prefer to see PX lynched today, but would not be averse to switching to Zakeri if that is what is needed to secure a lynch.
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@JOB #159: Is that you directed at PX or Shadoweh? If Shadoweh, could you please state which reasons seem off to you and why?
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That's directed at Shadoweh (and to an extent, you).
I already stated a reason. So does that mean you want more?
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Yes. It does.
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RE: Serela and Dormio. So I guess I'm the only one who considers those two could be insane enough to actually do that together as scum? It doesn't mean anything now since there are better Dormio posts to look at. I didn't mention my own opinion on it first because I don't need to ask myself for my own opinion and I find it uninteresting to think about. In all non-sarcasticness it bothers me that I do this as town every time and you guys call me scum for it every time. It's like we've never spent any time together at all.
This is one reason in particular that feels off to me, whether she was sarcastic or not. She may not want her own opinion, but we do.
Looking for more, I'm sure I saw some others somewhere.
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PX: Basically your case on JOB boils down to sheeping, fluff-posting, and not taking the initiative with his reads. Look, I don't like how at some points JOB has latched onto what I've said after I've said it, but his play here is reminding me of Graveyard Anonymafia Remilia, not CotA Depore. Scummy playing and behavior, yeah, yeah, but PX, you know how many passes you've gotten for your play at times. And in any case I don't think what he's doing is as scummy as you're painting it. As for dual expectations, I expect more from you as opposed to what I expect from JOB. I think you're being extremely lazy by overemphasizing the weak points in his play, and your single minded pursuit of this is scummy because I haven't seen you do anything else. If you're town, I want you to look at him again with an open mind. Do you really think he's scum?
Posting this first because I hate reading walls as a player; I'd rather read sextuple posts.
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Nonsense. Meta is good the whole week long. It's not my fault you don't know any better.
Here's another thing. As I said mea is only good for starting suspicions/clears and needs something to back it up.
I'm pretty sure I saw one more thing.
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I would say that Schezo posting anything of substance within the first 8 hours of the game was the town tell, actually. He's not waiting and seeing. Have I mentioned Schezo is Town Lately?
This was the last thing. This is currently the only reason (I remember) for Shadoweh thinking Schezo is town other than with meta. The fact she continues to make it know to everyone that Schezo is suposedly town with little reason to is another thing that feels off to me. I was trying to post something of susbstance (and I'm pretty sure I did, unless I failed), so why was I neutral?
Also lol I said "mea" instead of "meta" in my last post.
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(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/Rise5.png) Well I suppose I can give other reads, if you really insist ♡
Namely, why did he consider ActionDan to be townie in his list of reads when Conq and Zakeri had actually posted more than Dan, why did he believe Shadoweh to be scummy, and who he thinks is scummy outside of JOB.
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/Rise6.png) What? You ask why I find one guy more townie than others, acting as if posting more = town. It's simply that I liked his post more. As for why Shadoweh-san was scummy, it's because she was doing this thing that wasn't scumhunting, and that's uncharacteristic of her. As for other people not JOB, I have my Town reads and my null reads, but nobody is sticking out to me as scum. (Other than Serela-sempai being ugh but now's not the time for that) I see Zakeri-sempai's 71 more as a joke post.
I feel that PX is going after an easy lynch in JOB, rather than looking for actual scum. After all, his entire case revolves around JOB using faulty logic.
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg750588.html#msg750588
Cut by too many people: What is it with people wanting explanations for Town reads?! I thought we went over this how explaining Town reads helps scum a lot more than Townies?
JOB post comes after sleep
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As for other people not JOB, I have my Town reads and my null reads, but nobody is sticking out to me as scum.
Even if you make a post not dedicated to me this sentence above me still means you're tunneling. You still have a lack of initiative to find scum in other people. I mean, there can't be just one scum.
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One request before I go to sleep
Read JOB's post as if they were posted by somebody not JOB, and give me a read based on that
Cut edit
Just because there are two scuk doesn't mean I should be looking for two scum at the same time, reads change with flips
No point coming up with a scumteam without flips
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Now why is it I don't trust Conqueror? Maybe it's because he attacks me in his first post I'm.. actually not sure. I think it's because he's pursuing all the people I think are town.
Clearly you should re-evaluate your townreads! :P
I can completely understand why PX is infuriated since JOB has been pretty much just trolling him and Schezo. This still doesn't answer the question I asked. As Conqueror points out, it still looks like you're chasing him for being bad without caring if he's scum. I will say my urge to lynch PX over this decreases with every post.
I feel like PX has been coming on pretty strong and would be the strong obvtown if people weren't attacking him for wacky reasons. JOB is being a troll and I'd rather lynch the troll then PX. (There are so many things wrong with that sentence.)
Uh huh. Funnily enough, stuff like this makes me want to lynch PX more. I feel like you're contradicting yourself by acknowledging that PX is pushing JOB's lynch without caring if he's scum...and then calling him obvtown for...coming on strongly? What? Also, why do you think JOB is trolling, and what would make him a better lynch than PX?
I do not think I have ever gone out of my way to declare someone town as scum. I don't think I ever will either, it's far more trouble then it's worth.
(http://i39.tinypic.com/163n7r.jpg)
Oh come on. Don't make me link you to multiple past examples on this very board.
Serela, how hard is it to get a read on JOB seriously. Do you think he's town or scum? Dormio is being all tunnelio, you must have an idea of where that puts him for you. Same with Zak and Conqy, If you could, I don't know, point to something they've said that gives you these bad feelings about them it would help read your completely non-sensical mind.
This entire section of this post gives me bad vibes man."How hard is it to get a read on JOB seriously?" Well I don't know Shadoweh, doesn't seem too easy for you. Really, what is this? The last thing read on JOB I saw, minus the opinion he's trolling, was this:
I'm not sure how I feel about JOB. I'm still gathering reads in his direction. I dislike that he's not obvtown to me yet.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that the query aimed at Serela seems kinda slimy. I don't know how else to put it.
That said, I do agree that Serela is something special. I'm going to ignore him until he can post something coherent.
Anyway, I'm kinda wary of Shadoweh. I don't like this soft defence of PX for reasons that no one is going to buy either. It reminds me too much of stuff scum!Shadoweh has done in the past. Still, I think Shadoweh gets easier to read as the game goes on so.
Conq find me a good reaction shot depicting me strangling Serela would you.
I'm afraid my collection is a little lacking. Have this instead.
(http://i39.tinypic.com/29j5gg.jpg)
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Just because there are two scuk doesn't mean I should be looking for two scum at the same time, reads change with flips
But what if for some reason you see the light and think I'm town? What will you do then?
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Anyway, I disagree with the Zakeri lynch because I think(?) I agree with him on Shadoweh being weird, even if he doesn't word it very well and I don't really support a Shadoweh lynch today. I don't have a clear read on Zakeri either way because he only has two real posts, but the problem is that I can't understand why people are voting him.
Dan is going off about 100% something or other, Shadoweh I still don't understand despite the clarification, and Serela's post is pretty much a hypocritical wagon hop.
there's a bunch of waffles over PX that I'm also going "uhhh" on.
PX... I'm undecided. I'll just write him off as neutral read at the moment.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2ujm3rc.jpg)
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But what if for some reason you see the light and think I'm town? What will you do then?
Considering this is PX I imagine it'll involve suicide voting himself because he no longer wants to live. :V
It's funny you want examples of trolling when you posted a DWI face. You can't just end an argument like that in a mafia game.
Sigh. Sorry PX, but he's town, we can't lynch him. (I tried reading his posts as if he were DollS but it didn't make him any less townie.) Yes, he's frustrating as hell, but he thinks he has good points and is pursuing them from a townie standpoint. You can't judge people by other people's standards, JOB is JOB as much as PX is PX. I'd still rather lynch him over PX <.<
Conq, when have we given PX passes considering he gets lynched almost every game? He has the feel of someone being a town leader, that's what I mean by coming on strong. I swear this isn't like that time I derailed his wagon just because. I actually believe he's town this time. I would not be wasting time trying to convince him not to tunnel on JOB if I felt otherwise. I also feel PX is being genuine with his frustration, that and even as town in previous games his dying words have been LYNCH JOB so it's not like this is scum!PX only behaviour. Choosing between them from my perspective is choosing between two town, someone strong (what is wrong with this group) and the troll (who isn't PX I AM EATING SOAP RIGHT NOW).
Oh come on. Don't make me link you to multiple past examples on this very board.
You know what? Go ahead and look for them. I don't think they exist. Only rule is you can't use Graveyard Mafia, the buddying there was half-UK and half QT Mason partners 4 lyfe.
I told you I care more about other people's opinions on things then my own! Be gentle, someone had to ask Serela SOMETHING he could respond to. :blush: I don't mind prancing around naked in my glass house while I throw stones at people though. Do hope the stuff on PX and JOB, Re: They're both town, satisfies your curiousity.
As for the re-evaluating, I think the only read I keep reconsidering is Dan. I'd swear he's being too quiet. Is he at chess camp again?
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huh what: Think grape crepes, grape flavored pop, different flavors of wine..
oh god if we lose I'll have nothing to drink. @_@
I think I should sleep or something. I shall be back, if my calculations are correct, about 2 hours before deadline. Consolidate those votes townies! There better be bandwagons when I get back! And a PX at L-1 for me to hammer! <--- This is a joke don't yell at me
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Real quick before you go, this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg709680.html#msg709680)off the top of my head. Anyway, it's not really important.
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Oh yeah that was a hilarious list.
I mean uh, ew, how scummy and terrible of me! I like how that slot is still a scum. >.>
That was day 3 though, and it was a well established vibe that Rakanishu was UK and therefore had to be town. Besides, I believe the problem you had was I didn't justify anything I said on that list even slightly. And note how Raka was helping me lynch all the townies!
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Conq, when have we given PX passes considering he gets lynched almost every game? He has the feel of someone being a town leader, that's what I mean by coming on strong. I swear this isn't like that time I derailed his wagon just because. I actually believe he's town this time. I would not be wasting time trying to convince him not to tunnel on JOB if I felt otherwise. I also feel PX is being genuine with his frustration, that and even as town in previous games his dying words have been LYNCH JOB so it's not like this is scum!PX only behaviour. Choosing between them from my perspective is choosing between two town, someone strong (what is wrong with this group) and the troll (who isn't PX I AM EATING SOAP RIGHT NOW).
He gets wagoned every game sure, but your meta needs updating as he doesn't actually always get lynched because of the passes I'm talking about (heck I even derailed his wagon once). I'm not sure where you're getting this PX as town leader feeling from, because I sure as hell don't see it. I see PX not really doing much of anything. You can call this par for the course, but I feel like he's definitely less single-minded when he's town (not that meta stays constant anyway). And genuine frustration can come from scum as much as town.
I don't think anyone is saying choose between JOB/PX so I'm curious why you chose to word it that way. I just don't think the points on JOB are that valid, and I think PX is scummy for pushing them in the way he is without doing much else.
Cut; yeah, I was just pointing out that scum do what scum need to do, and you're not exempt from it. ;)
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It's funny you want examples of trolling when you posted a DWI face. You can't just end an argument like that in a mafia game.
Choosing between them from my perspective is choosing between two town, someone strong (what is wrong with this group) and the troll (who isn't PX I AM EATING SOAP RIGHT NOW).
That wasn't trolling, that was my reaction to the frustration caused by that argument with Schezo. It was basically "Fuck it, I need a break."
PX is coming on strong by using capital letters and the word "fuck" a lot. How does that make him town? Have you actually looked at the horrible logic in his posts? I mean, he attacks me because TWO PEOPLE HAPPENED TO POST BEFORE I COULD ANSWER THEIR QUESTION OH NOES I MUST BE SCUM. How is that not bad?
Yes, he's frustrating as hell, but he thinks he has good points and is pursuing them from a townie standpoint.
When it comes to the argument against PX, it's not exactly the way you summarized it. PX is attacking me with shitty logic, I'm countering that shitty logic with decent points. He's just flinging whatever he can at me to make me look scummy (I mean seriously why is it that two people asking before I could respond mean I'm scum?).
Cut by Shadoweh and Conq (Conq kinda saying part of what I just said)
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I'm asleep right now, can't you tell?
Doing what you have to do is one thing. I'm saying I wouldn't go out of my way to do it.
I accept your argument but I respectfully disagree with your viewpoint. About the wording, I realized it was awkward just after posting it. I couldn't really think of another way to put it, the gist is I'd prefer to choose neither.
You would have been better off phrasing it like that JOB, it would have been much less scummy. I need a break is much different then lol nowords4u.jpg. I just don't see his words as maliciously as you do.
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So knowing that Shadoweh, how do you feel about lynching me over PX now?
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Choosing between them from my perspective is choosing between two town, someone strong (what is wrong with this group) and the troll (who isn't PX I AM EATING SOAP RIGHT NOW).
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Still, what do you think of me know that you know I didn't do it to troll?
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EBWOP: Now that you know.
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Tally VII: The Votecount of the "Grape Garden"
Komeiji PX (3): MySTKing, J.O.B, Tamamo no dorMae
WHMZakeri (3): Shadoweh, ActionDan, Serela
J.O.B (2): Schezo, Komeiji PX
Shadoweh (1): WHMZakeri
Not Voting: None!
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. You have about 5 hours remaining in the day! Better hurry up! Remember, no majority means No Lynch, and two No Lynches means that everybody loses.
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4 hours remain in the day!
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Uh so.
I don't know if I'm going to be around at the end of the day.
Where did everyone go?
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So I take it my only choices are between PX, JOB, and myself?
with such a wonderful selection, I might as well pick myself.
Shadoweh going "SCHEZO IS TOWN, SCHEZO IS TOWN" Annoys me to hell and back, because even though every single instance she says it is at least partially justified, I still can't see it as anything other than "DON'T LYNCH ME, DO I LOOK LIKE TOWNSHADOWEH YET? SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME I'M OBVTOWN."
Also annoying is that the case on me largely translates to "Remember that game Zak was town and Shadoweh was scum in? Let's pretend that Zak doing the same thing again means that Zak is Scum and Shadoweh is Town!"
I've already said I didn't realize I made the same post. Shadoweh seems to be insisting in post 142 that I would, as scum, intentionally copy a reasoning that
a. Didn't convince people to vote the person I was trying to lynch.
b. Caused people to believe I was scum.
and
c. caused me to think and utilize my role in a way as to preserve the victory of the other team.
Why would I intentionally make parallels to this post? Why would that make more sense to people than maybe the fact that I made the same post because I'm the same person with the same line of thought?
I just want to delete the post, and pretend I'm not playing this game, but then I'd have to write another post, and it'd just be an even less thought out post than this.
Between Job and PX? Well, I'd pick PX basically because he's tunnling on a single person. JOB is much more useful because he's always here and asking questions from everyone, and stimulating discussion amongst the people he thinks deserve more talking time. He's annoying because he's somewhat aimless, but That's what gives town it's edge. If everyone tunneled on three people, we'd only have decent reads on three people.
##Unvote
##Vote: Komeiji PX
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L-1, in case no one is reading HW's posts.
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Shadoweh, my thoughts on conq are as follows: I liked his initial vote on schezo and I liked his later switch to Px. Both votes felt natural to me due to the reasons he cited for voting. i.e., Schezo early aggression towards Dormio and Px's embellished reasons for the job vote. His further posts addressing Px are consistant and agreeable to me. The dialogue between you and him recently only gives me good feelings. In short, he's my strongest town read.
One thing while you are here Conq. Zak was the one to say he had a 100% town read of Dormio. But as far as I can tell, that's ONLY based off Scum!Shadoweh. considering the evidence he provided is weak to prove Scum!Shadoweh, I don't see how he could possibly consider Dormio 100% town unless he is sure shadoweh is 100% scum, which I simply can't imagine. Besides "Shadoweh is weird" do you see anything coming from Zak which gives credence to his claim of shadoweh scum? If so, is it weak or strong?
Shadoweh, I am getting the feeling that some of your reads are starting to come from left field. No, that's not exactly it. I hesistate to use the word "disconnect", but I can't see your pattern of reads in any other way.
First, Dormio is mysteriously crossed out from your "willing to vote" list. Now when did you say you felt Dormio was a townie? All I remember is you answering him with one liners. Your recent emphasis on Conq seems just as founded as Serela's "Conq seems weird, dislike". Your dialogue with Conq recently sounds like you are trying to fight using Px as a wedge. You sound overdefensive, especially over something as WIFOMy as your own meta. Is there something you distrust about Conq still? Because I have yet to see something materialize from your end. Why isn't Job crossed out if you think he's town? Even if you'd vote him over Px, would you vote him over everyone else you crossed out? You haven't actually said much about me either way besides once when you said you wouldn't vig me. What makes you say "I need to reconsider my read dan, he's being quiet." when your "read" of me was barely expressed before and still only seems dependant on whether you have a slash through my name or not. Do you think Schezo is being quiet?
Schezo I didn't fully consider this:
Serela's post now that he's started playing seems alright and brings up some nice points like the ones on Zak. He's a null one.
Serela barely has anything to say on Zak expect that Serela doesn't know who Zak thinks is scum. What do YOU think of Zak? And Px?
Serela, saying you "sorta have a case on Zak" doesn't mean you have a case. You have yet to support your opinions on Zak, Conq, or Px.
Dormio, you now think Shadoweh is more townie than scummy. Please explain why.
Px, Job isn't getting lynched today. You expressed previously your opinion of Zakeri went downhill (albeit because of my case), recently the most you have to say is that you interpreted his #71 as jokish. What about his #129? It's strange to me that you are not addressing Zak as time whittles down.
Zak, I understand your feelings on Shadoweh. I also understand your frustration with your #71. I experienced similar exasperation in Vanilla mafia 2 when I tried to joke about "Px feels like he roled scum finally" in my first post and ate crow the rest of the day for it. However, I certainly did not give up. I raged, but I posted all I could to make up for it. I do not see you doing the same (posting as much as you can with or without rage). I'm scared because I do not trust Shadoweh at all, and Serela has not produced enough to merit his vote (on anyone really).
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Sleep is for the transient people.
Dormio, you now think Shadoweh is more townie than scummy. Please explain why.
Why should I?
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Ok, so looking at the votecount, it seems that I can choose JOB PX or ZAK.
Time to spit some hot fiery truth and I'm going to tell you right now, you're not going to like it.
I would not like to lynch any of these people and would place Shadoweh over PX and Zak.
I mainly am having a problem with Conq now and it struck me where this weird odd feeling floating around him is coming from.
Let's start with his thing about attacking people over play style and constantly moaning about it.
I'm reading your case on JOB and I'm not getting the gist of it because a lot of it seems to be based on refuting shitty logic.
First of all, is that not how you play mafia and find scum? Find their shitty logic and throw it back in their face? I personally think so.
Then, why do you get the right to stop reading us and find anything noteworthy about what is said just because you don't like the format? Really?
This is after you made it a point on me for "A lot of his questions seem to be attacking playstyle (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg749909.html#msg749909)"
in fact, I think he's likely to be more appeasing as scum as seen by his first game
I'm not taking this because he had Huh What and Kilga mentor telling him what to say. Scum doesn't have that here.
I don't like the JOB vote. It basically reads as a massive OMGUS.
So you aren't reading me refute bullshit logic with my "OMGUSing" A (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg749993.html#msg749993) B (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg749996.html#msg749996) C (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg750007.html#msg750007).
I've basically stopped reading the exchange between the two of you because I'm not getting anything from it and it's a null tell to me until you two can stop posting in quote stripes that no one will ever read. Seriously.
Ok, this one gets me really hard. You know what it tells me. "I can ignore stuff I don't want to read, push it off as bad syntax and say stuff about others."
But in all seriousness, why don't you concisely summarize the scummy shit JOB has done? In a format that people can actually read.
Posting this first because I hate reading walls as a player; I'd rather read sextuple posts.
Why I have a problem with it is because you keep going on and on about it so you can later use it as an excuse to attack "Player Style" No, read it how it's placed. You don't get to ignore it just because it's not how you want to see it.
Meta defending (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg750762.html#msg750762) JOB because he ISN'T acting like Kilga mentor Depore is bull shit, bullshit.
All of the metagaming stuff (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg750811.html#msg750811) is. Why don't we go after people for their play now?
So I'm heavily disliking Conq now. And I truly feel that a JOB flip will not only reveal a lot about him but also all of you other mofos who have been meta gaming over I don't even know what, half the game?
Vote stays on JOB because one, I don't feel he's redeemed himself as much as the rest of you. And two, I find the other two canidates other than him townier.
Conq is my number 1 choice really.
JOB's just second.
That Action Dan:
I acted on the blank unvote for being bad because he had suspicion on another person and chose to not act on it. If it was a blank unvote like you say after acknowledging he had PX suspicion it's no longer blank. I didn't take his view seriously because of said expressed suspicion. His point you fall back to, did not have much weight nor does it now because he expressed suspicion of PX. Had it have been a blank unvote, I would let you say such things IF HE DIDN'T SAY HE DISLIKED PX. He did though and that was the problem for the whole thing. Asking someone to act on THEIR suspicion, not mine is not my fault since I wasn't "forcing" him to vote, I asked where it was.
After reading this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg750202.html#msg750202) you still didn't get what happened or is that how you're going to close it on me, what?
Cut: by the Dan.
I don't feel Zak is scum like the rest of you do, PX is also townier than thou.
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Anyway, I don't think I have much more to say, since not much happened while I was asleep anyway.
I will be here until deadline though, and reading until then.
Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
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3 hours and 10 minutes remain in the day!
Komeiji PX (4): MySTKing, J.O.B, Tamamo no dorMae, WHMZakeri (L-1)
WHMZakeri (3): Shadoweh, ActionDan, Serela
J.O.B (2): Schezo, Komeiji PX
Not Voting: None!
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Komeiji PX is at L-1!
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So. Can you explain why you feel the way you do about Zak/Px? And your vote at least shouldn't be on Job if you are serious about wanting Shadoweh dead. Unless you think Job is viable and want Job to die more than Zak/Px.
I am willing to switch to Px at least to secure a lynch but will not do so until about 20 min before deadline.
Timeline for you vs Dormio is as follows: Dormio unvotes ---> Px posts ----> you vote Dormio -----> Dormio asks you a question and says he dislikes Px. -------> says he wants to wait for you before deciding on his vote. -----> you say you are voting him for his unvote and further query why he doesn't fix that by voting Px because of his suspicions.
I don't see how Dormio is in the wrong here and I still don't see how you are justified in attacking Dormio on the grounds he didn't vote Px when he said he disliked Px. If you are gonna link me a post of tons of point/quotes at least pick out the one or two that are revelant. at the moment I have no idea what you want to me to see in there.
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JOB's just second.
What is it with people not reading my posts?
And I wanted you to reread my interpretation of the post in general. But I'll take that interpretation of it since it was early day 1 and not the best of cases for voting for an Unvote and the PX express etc.
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So. Can you explain why you feel the way you do about Zak/Px? And your vote at least shouldn't be on Job if you are serious about wanting Shadoweh dead. Unless you think Job is viable and want Job to die more than Zak/Px.
Actually I can't bitch properly being on a phone right now but are you doing what you accused me of being in the wrong for in the Dormio thing?
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Schezo, missed that reason for Job. Also, no?
It's close to deadline, Zak and Px seem like the most likely people who will get lynched, (I am not willing to lynch Job over either at least). All of a sudden you are saying they are both town with no backing. I haven't looked at all your posts to find out what you previously thought about Px but I know you said Serela made good points against Zak. I'm asking what changed your mind knowing that you may be forced to vote for one or the other to break a tie.
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Also, will you be on your phone until deadline?
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@Dormio: Because at the moment the only reason I can see that you are putting Shadoweh as townie is because you find Zak weird.
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Again, why do you need to know why I find someone townie?
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Also, uh, PX doing that whole claiming thing would be nice.
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Again, why do you need to know why I find someone townie?
Because you once thought they were scummy. What changed? It's for the purposes of having your thought process exposed, so the rest of us can check if it makes sense from a townie standpoint.
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Again, why do you need to know why I find someone townie?
Because that's one of the reasons why you're voting me?
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What does Shadoweh have to do with you?
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Namely, why did he consider ActionDan to be townie in his list of reads when Conq and Zakeri had actually posted more than Dan
I repeat, why do you need to know why I find someone townie.
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Because I found it to seem like a double standard in your case.
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Because you say, in #89, that Conq and Zak are null to you and require more posts, yet Dan who has less posts than either is townie to you.
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Also, uh, PX doing that whole claiming thing would be nice.
##Vig: JOB
##Vig: Conq
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Because you say, in #89, that Conq and Zak are null to you and require more posts, yet Dan who has less posts than either is townie to you.
That means I got more of a read from Dan's one post compared to Conq and Zak's posts
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25 minutes remain in the day!
No change in vote count.
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Okay I'm hom-holy shit 25 minutes
God damn I -really- don't want to lynch PX after catching up but it's better then no lynching.
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That's it? Nobody's talking? Well then I'm out of here.
##Unvote
##Vote: PX
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Komeiji PX (5): MySTKing, J.O.B, Tamamo no dorMae, WHMZakeri, Komeiji PX (L-0)
WHMZakeri (3): Shadoweh, ActionDan, Serela
J.O.B (1): Schezo
Not Voting: None!
Komeiji PX, a Vanilla Townie, was lynched!
You have 24 hours to send in your night actions.
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Schezo, a Vanilla Townie, was killed off overnight!
Day 2 has begun! You have until 3:30 PM on November 25th (PDT) to decide on a lynch.
The flavor of the day is vanilla!
Living players:
1. ActionDan
2. J.O.B
4. MySTKing (Conqueror)
6. Serela
7. Shadoweh
8. Tamamo no dorMae (Dormio)
9. WHMZakeri
Resting in peace:
3. Komeiji PX, Vanilla Townie - Lynched Day 1
5. Schezo, Vanilla Townie - Killed Night 1
Removed from the game:
0. None right now, thankfully!
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Well looking at the wagons, I don't see any reason why Zakeri shouldn't still be being voted, so I'll go ahead and do that now
##Vote Zakeri
Honestly I have no idea what he thinks about anyone alive other then Shadoweh (and people who are cleared as town because of his view of Shadoweh being scum). His last post is just him doing more don't like shadoweh and then picking PX over JOB because "PX is tunnelling and JOB is at least more useful then that", and really it's not that it's a bad post, it's just that it doesn't tell us who he actually thinks is scummy at ALL other then Shadoweh (Same with his other two posts too!). He evaluated PX and JOB over how useful they are and not whether or not they actually seem scummy, and to me it sort of felt like he already knew they were both town in the first place but I'm not going to try and pursue that feeling as a point in my case here
anyway so I think Dan and Dormio are both town, probably should reread job/shadoweh/conq later
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honestly though before any sort of reread I'm still inclined to think JOB isn't scum, and thinking shadoweh would be scum is hurt a lot by the fact that I really think Zak is scum (I don't see them as partners here at all nope), so that would leave Conq as scum #2 and my gut said he was weird anyway so that totally matches up
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If you want a list of all of my reads, they're as follows
Scum: Shadoweh
Null: NeoSerela
Town: Conqueror, Dan, JOB, and Dormio.
Dan and Conq are weaker reads, but that's the direction they've solidified so far.
##Vote: Shadoweh
This is just a placeholder until I get the time and energy to reread the game.
The PX lynch feels useless in terms of gathering info. At least my lynch would have resolved something that everyone hadn't already guessed was true, anyway.
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Haha, it's funny because you still think I'm lynchable.
If people had already guessed PX was town they wouldn't have voted for him.
I like the word 'guess', as if all reads are drawn from russian roulette.
So, you lynched someone I thought was town, and scum nightkilled someone I knew was town. I have gained almost nothing. Well fuck you very much scum team. -.- This goes for the townies too that though lynching PX was a good idea. You should read back and feel ashamed of yourselves.
Zak, in the words of our wonderful moderator, instead of chasing after outliers we should be focusing on the scummy people on the scummy ass town wagon. Here's my list of color coded reads from the votecount.
Komeiji PX (5): MySTKing, J.O.B, Tamamo no dorMae, WHMZakeri, Komeiji PX (L-0)
WHMZakeri (3): [b]Shadoweh[/b], ActionDan, Serela
J.O.B (1): Schezo
Not Voting: None!
Komeiji PX, a Vanilla Townie no shit really?!, was lynched!
Now I'm going to go take off my coat and write some hatemail to the scum hydra.
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You may note a slight change in color on Dan. First of all, I feel like his argument with Schezo has something to do with why Schezo disappeared, but that's not what's been nagging at me. Where is it..
God damnit I can't find it a specific quote. I just get this weird nagging feeling that he's attacking others for going after people he knows are town and therefore knows they will look bad after the flip. That's how I felt about his accusations at me while on Zakeri. And yes Dan, Schezo was being quiet, but Schezo had more posts in the first 24 hours then you made all game so the why me and not him doesn't make me feel better.
Searching for things takes so looong, looking at Conqueror next.
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Sup guys.
I got caught up with those arguments with Schezo and PX that I didn't really have any time to read other people much (except maybe Shadoweh). So like 5 seconds ago I did a very quick reread of Shadoweh and Zakeri (planning to do more later).
I'm starting to think Shadoweh is town now. It was probably just her early posts that threw me off. Though she's normally like that. I should get used to it more. I don't really have much of a problem with her now, though I would like her to explain those things that I quoted (unless you already did, in that case, just link me to where you explained it).
Zak I'm still not too sure on. I don't exactly know what the case is on him. If somebody could summarize it or something then I would appreciate it. I think his actions have been a bit suspicious, but I just can't put my finger on why it is. Also Zak could you summarize your Shadoweh case too? It would be nice to have the whole case in one post instead of spread out between all of them.
I don't wanna vote till I have finished my (kinda quick) rereads.
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I have forgotten anything you asked me earlier. The fact that the two dead people are probably screaming your name right now is what currently sets my eye askance on you.
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Just did Serela.
Serela needs to say a lot more. As Shadoweh has pointed out, Serela basically just said "Hello game, brb tomorrow." He hasn't really said that much on people other than Zakeri, and didn't provide anything of use in his near deadline post. Also his summarized case on Zakeri is pretty much based on one of Zakeri's posts. He isn't really taking into account Zakeri's other posts. The only way he actually is is by mentioning he can't see who else Zakeri thinks is scum other than Shadoweh (because Zak's Shadoweh case is spread across basically all of his posts).
tl;dr Serela needs to say more stuff, and talk about more people.
Cut by Shadoweh. Just look near the end of the day, after you asked why I was still suspicious of you.
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I don't.. see any questions.. besides you asking me again whether I would lynch PX over you. The same quote from before applies. At this point you're also asking me if I would have lynched someone who flipped town over you who is still unknown, so I can't give an unbiased answer. Seriously though, still you. PX was doing good and you derps lynched him for it.
Taking off my red-colored goggles, I come to realize I actually like Zakeri's posts. You have a point about not repeating something that didn't work the first time. I have to ask you in all honesty considering you thought PX and JOB were both town, and considering what you've said about JOB in the past, what the hell were you thinking lynching townPX over townJOB?
HEY ZAK AM I OBVTOWN YET????
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Did Dormio and Dan.
Dormio I find townie. That's all I have to say.
Dan also seems a bit off to me. I agree with Shadoweh (stop being so agreeable :V) that Dan has been jumping around a bit, though, I would guess that would be because he isn't around too much, so he tries to catch up with one big post. He said at one point that he would try and reread PX, he also mentioned that that would include rereading me. He presented a read of PX (though, rather smallish) in his next post, but the only mention of me he had in his later posts was that he was not willing to lynch me. Dan, where do you stand on my alignment? Do you think I'm town, scum, or neutral.
Also I just remembered, Shadoweh, there aren't any third parties in this game AFAIK.
Cu by Shadoweh (again). Lol are you sure you don't see it. Take one more look and if you can't find it I'll try and get the post numbers. Also about lynching PX over me. In my opinion, PX was the better lynch because he was only tunneling on me. If I wasn't lynched he would have most likely continued with tunneling on me (in my opinion, I don't know what he would have actually done). I am at least trying to look for scum in more than one person (moreso now than yesterday, because I got caught up with Schezo and PX), even if I am not doing it so well.
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Oh and just so you know Shadoweh, I'm willing to give the numbers if you can't find them.
Just read Conq.
I don't exactly know what you guys find wrong with Conq. AFAIK you guys don't like him because he said a few off comments (correct me if I'm wrong). The only thing he did that I don't really like was that he basically spent the whole day defending me.
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I don't really know who to vote. I'm currently suspicious of Dan (kinda) until you guys can provide the cases on why you think some of the people I mentioned (Zak and Conq) are scum/potential scum.
For now.
##Vote:Dan
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If we'd lynched you I doubt PX would have continued tunneling on you.
I really don't see it. And I'm aware despite Zak's meta there are no third parties in this game.
Rereading Dormio will take some time, but cursory says I still agree with myself. I will take on the head troll demon tomorrow after work. I simply don't have time right now to post my thoughts. Suffice it to say Conqueror is scum for making a troll wagon on PX and guiding him into the ground so let's lynch him.
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Okay then, the post numbers are: #159, #164, #166 and #167. I would like you to clarify what you meant by these reasons, as they feel a bit off to me.
And I'm pretty sure I wasn't a big lynch target near deadine. If PX hadn't been lynched it would most likely have been Zak.
And what you said about Conq I disagree with. How exactly is it a troll wagon? I didn't apprear to be one to me. Though I might be a bit biased because I wanted PX lynched too.
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Shadoweh: I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say. If I'm not going to get my scum reads lynched I might as well not play mafia. Suddenly you're acting all righteous since you "got" PX's alignment right before the flip and you "knew" Schezo was town. Alright, you get credit for being right, but I don't like the attitude that now PX was obvtown and "doing good" and his wagon was built to troll him. If that's what you really think well then fuck you. Are you scum, Shadoweh?
I have to ask you in all honesty considering you thought PX and JOB were both town, and considering what you've said about JOB in the past, what the hell were you thinking lynching townPX over townJOB?
This question is a trap.
Anyway, I'm really disliking Serela. Giving a neutral stance on PX for most of the day before suddenly coming out strongly against his lynch when his lynch is pretty much sealed seems like an easy way to get undeserved town cred. His posts really give me a "setting up lynches" feeling. If Zak is not scum then Shadoweh is scum right and Conq is weird yeah because gut I'd be up for lynching him anytime too.
Well looking at the wagons, I don't see any reason why Zakeri shouldn't still be being voted, so I'll go ahead and do that now
What do the wagons tell you, Serela?
##Vote: Serela
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So I've bene out for the whole day an I' am in nos hape to read thi.s
i"m probtably going to go to sleep to seoon but I will be back tomroorow.
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okay I just woke up, I'll answer some questions before I do waking-up things like using the bathroom and having breakfast
Also his summarized case on Zakeri is pretty much based on one of Zakeri's posts. He isn't really taking into account Zakeri's other posts.
Nope because as I said in my case, what I accused his last post of being, all his posts were. And that is "SHADOWEH IS SCUM here are people who are town because SHADOWEH IS SCUM here's some waffles on px, more shadoweh etc, well I'll pick everybodyhatesPX over JOB because PX is " less useful" (not actually for any scumminess rating and IMO sounds like he knows they're already town although that IMO part is an eh thing) so yeah as I said he's basically only said stuff about Shadoweh and so far that pretty much still holds
talk about more people.
this is a legitimate point but well everyone else is not-scum to me at this point in time which makes them uninteresting (except Conq who I'll say something about at some point today, and by Today I mean nov 23 not D2)
Giving a neutral stance on PX for most of the day before suddenly coming out strongly against his lynch when his lynch is pretty much sealed seems like an easy way to get undeserved town cred.
sorry for not being here is about all I can say to this, so that's pretty much my fault (considering I -forgot I was in a mafia game- for like 30ish hours), so oops on my end and this pretty much becomes a legitimate point
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Oh and I forgot to answer the wagons question.
Well I mean it's nothing complicated. Basically Zak jumps on townPX at the end of the day and everyone who's on Zak I think is town and well the only other wagon that existed everyone on it already flipped town so it's uninteresting (because atm I think it was ON town so)
I mean it's nothing really worth using as a reason to say that Zak is scum, but it fits it. I didn't bother elaborating because it didn't really matter at all; it's pretty uninteresting and unimportant stuff.
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I see then.
Also I find it funny how you say today (as in Nov 23rd) considering here it's about 40 minutes into the 24th :V
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AUGH TIMEZONES D:
it's like 8:44 am nov 23rd here
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:justasplanned:
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You guys all suck.
Anyway, ##Vote Zakeri.
First of all, words in #160.
#188 is him continuing to tunnel on Shadoweh. I like how Zakeri talks about how we need to read more people, yet he's only really been posting about Shadoweh. :V
#218, Can you explain what makes Dan and Conq weaker reads to you? Also dislike Zakeri suggesting his own lynch in both this post and #188. Like he tries to say it with disappointment in #218. And I dunno, I really don't like it. It kind of seems like subtle AtE to me.
Anyway, words that aren't about Zakeri should be incoming whenever my brain starts working again.
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I'm posting to mention that I will have limited access for the next 2 days. So I might not be on at all during this time.
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I have to agree with Conq's #230 about Serela.
Shadoweh is still leaning townish to me, but I feel that I'll have to reread her once more.
I'm not entirely sure about how I feel about Dan. Will reread.
Conq seems townie to me which means that he must obviously be scum.
JOB is JOB.
Zakeri, I've mentioned above.
I am thou and thou art I.
Will post again later.
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That's cool JOB, but you should put your vote on someone else before you go. :derp: We're wagon hunting today. Although I don't exactly disapprove of your target since he's forgotten we're playing mafia. <_< And I appreciate you being refreshing and actually disagreeing wiht people, but the comment about plz make cases for me makes me cringe. None of those things you pointed out were questions for me, except for ones I already answered, so if you want something ask again. They sure look like things I did though. :derp:
Shadoweh: I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say. If I'm not going to get my scum reads lynched I might as well not play mafia. Suddenly you're acting all righteous since you "got" PX's alignment right before the flip and you "knew" Schezo was town.
And thou shalt know my name is SHADOWEH when my townie vengeance strikes upon thee.
Alright, you get credit for being right, but I don't like the attitude that now PX was obvtown and "doing good" and his wagon was built to troll him. If that's what you really think well then fuck you. Are you scum, Shadoweh?
I don't know Conq, am I scum? You seemed to be okay with that notion when it was popular. Let me see what you said here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg750782.html#msg750782)... OH it's you that said it, not Dan no wonder I can find it in his posts. This line.
Anyway, I'm kinda wary of Shadoweh. I don't like this soft defence of PX for reasons that no one is going to buy either. It reminds me too much of stuff scum!Shadoweh has done in the past. Still, I think Shadoweh gets easier to read as the game goes on so.
Can you explain to me what exactly you meant by this? Because it looks to me like you're attacking me for not defending PX well enough. Which would be a crime if he'd already flipped town and you weren't trying to lynch him. As for the attitude, this didn't come out of nowhere. I told you this is how I felt about PX yesterday. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg750801.html#msg750801) You also told me my questions to Serela felt slimey, and now you're voting him while still throwing stones at me. I feel like your priorities are skewed. Do you believe PX's entire wagon was town?
Paging Action Dan, we are doing this thing called mafia, it requires you to post in the thread, please actually do this so I can accumulate reads against you.
Dormyon, why is that weirdo townie to you? -.- Just look at his face, wouldn't you lynch that? I do seriously wish to hear your reasonings beyond seems townie/towner/townest.
My brain is not dethawed enough to read Serela's post.
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Shadoweh I asked you to clarify what you meant by them. And I'm asking for cases because with limited time, I don't have the time to read all the posts, so I asked if people could summarize the cases against certain people.
Also I'm going to be here the whole day, the reason why I have limited access is because my laptop charger is getting fixed and my laptop battery sucks and only works for about an hour. And I have just under half of the battery left atm.
So tl;dr I'm here but not :V
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Also I won't move my vote just yet, I've learnt not to take free candy from you :V
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I don't know Conq, am I scum? You seemed to be okay with that notion when it was popular. Let me see what you said here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg750782.html#msg750782)
I dunno Shadoweh, are you? I can never seem to read you properly, especially when you put on the "big-headed town" act you fake so well as scum. I was never pushing for or supporting your lynch yesterday, so stop trying to misrep me to say I was.
Can you explain to me what exactly you meant by this? Because it looks to me like you're attacking me for not defending PX well enough. Which would be a crime if he'd already flipped town and you weren't trying to lynch him.
"Not defending PX well enough" is a nice spin that doesn't even make any sense when you actually think about what you're saying, but no. I pointed out that it was a shoddy defense, and shoddy defenses are suspicious because they could be defenses of scumbuddies or whiteknights for townies. I can't parse the third sentence in this block. What the hell?
As for the attitude, this didn't come out of nowhere. I told you this is how I felt about PX yesterday. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg750801.html#msg750801)
That's cool. Congrats for being right for whatever reason THAT I STILL CAN'T UNDERSTAND AFTER THE FLIP. And now we sheep you to lynch all the people who were wrong, right? lolnogetout
You also told me my questions to Serela felt slimey, and now you're voting him while still throwing stones at me. I feel like your priorities are skewed.
My vote on Serela has nothing to do with you. Your questions to Serela were slimy because it felt like you were leading him on somehow, like you were trying to get specific answers out of him. Questioning people is townie sure, but questioning people with the intent to get them to respond in a certain way is suspicious at best, scummy at worst.
Why are my priorities skewed?
I'm throwing stones at you because this line of attack you're pursuing is making me go :psyduck: and I'm seriously considering you might actually be scum instead of just :paranoia: on my part.
Do you believe PX's entire wagon was town?
Are you pushing the idea that there has to be at least one scum on the PX wagon? This ties in with what I said a few lines above.
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Also my avatar is totes moe and if you don't agree you don't understand the power of DEVOTION and TRUE LOVE. :*
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Why yes, I'm pushing the idea that scum were on the town wagon lynching town Day 1, because this is what scum do Conqueror. If you're not the scum, then one of them latched onto your amazing case and jumped in after you. If you're not scum I suggest you put some thought into looking for them.
You are correct, you were not pushing for my lynch that day. Attacks on reputation especially when they involve the guy about to flip town last longer then a day. It's similar to why Dan's statements that I was scaring him while voting Zakeri with him put me on edge. I will admit my defense of PX wasn't as strong as for Schezo, simply because I wasn't as sure. I wouldn't call it shoddy there, nor when I continued to voice that feeling.
I'm not sure what you mean by leading people on with questions. There are always certain answers I'm looking for. I'm not trying to rig the questions other then to see if the person responds the way I think they would as a townie. That includes the 'trap question' you pointed at earlier.
About PX being TOWN: Look on the bright side, you can add this to your ways to read him. It's not like I've never been hideously wrong before. Let me enjoy a day of believing I know how to play Mafia.
Your avatar scares small children. You have a problem. @_@
But JOB my candy is so delicious. :<
Again JOB, I already answered these. I really just can't be bothered to care about my own opinion. Meta is not the horrible reasoning you're making it out to be, and since you've been telling people it's your meta to be like you I don't get why you're so quick to discount me using it. And uhm. Schezo was town. For good reasons that you shouldn't discount so easily. Yeah, that covers everything.
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The thing is, you used Schezo's meta to clear him and it seemed like you weren't going to budge from thinking he was town.
When people clear me with meta, they still have a possibility of reconsidering my alignment.
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No they don't. :V
Well they shouldn't. I certainly wasn't going to budge on Day 1. I wouldn't say it's beyond me to decide everyone I see as town is scum.
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I have about 7minutes of battery left, so I won't be on anymore.
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Tally VIII: The Votecount of the "Vanilla Chocolate Swirl"
WHMZakeri (2): Serela, Tamamo no dorMae
ActionDan (1): J.O.B
Serela (1): MySTKing
Shadoweh (1): WHMZakeri
Not Voting: ActionDan, Shadoweh
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
About 42 hours remain in the day.
ActionDan has been prodded. Apologies for dragging my feet on this.
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I've been around for a while now actually, like ~5 hours or so of actually being to look at the thread and do another re-read. Before that my hands were tied :/.
##vote: Shadoweh
Reads:
Scum: Shadoweh
Scummy: Zak, Dormio
Null: Selera
Towish: Job (this read is volatile, I'll explain later)
Town: Conq
Shadoweh is obvscum. Now that you heard this ground-breaking news that I'm sure is a complete surprise, where are you going to put that vote missy?
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Haven't decided yet. I heard there's this Action Dan dude that could use a smacking. I'll decide in the morning if I'm going to vote Conqueror or look at someone else.
I'd love to hear you explain some of those reads, like Zak and Dormio at the same time.
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So, uh, I knew I was forgetting to do something.
That Dan and Mr. Shadow reread is a thing that I should be doing.
Although Dan hasn't posted that much, I can't really see anything that I dislike in his posts. He should do that thing where he explains why he sees the people he thinks are scummy the way he does, though.
Now, as for Shadoweh, so like. Your D1 activity.
There was so much of it, right? Why does it feel like I'm reading nothing?
Seriously, what has she done D1?
She argues about gameplay and stuff a lot, but contributes almost nothing herself.
What is her major contribution to the game?
"Zakeri is scum because he's making the same case against me when I was scum and he was town." :V
The others?
"Conq is scum because."
"Schezo is town because."
Also of note:
#117 "JOB is too derp to be scum"
#142 "JOB is someone I would vote for"
:V
Shadoweh kept going on D1 about how she disliked Conq, yet failed to actually explain it until today.
I just get this weird nagging feeling that he's attacking others for going after people he knows are town and therefore knows they will look bad after the flip.
Also, as Conq mentioned, Shadoweh emphasizing that she thought that both Schezo and PX were town is a thing. #219 gives me especially bad vibes. I mean, #219 kind of embodies the thing that Shadoweh is accusing Dan of in the quote above, doesn't it?
#240: Again, why should I bother explaining my town reads? Especially when you vehemently defended Schezo D1 with no reason given. :V
Yes, upon this proper reread, I'm reversing my opinion of Shadoweh.
##Unvote
##Vote Shadoweh
Also, on an unrelated note. Conq's current avatar. Moe. That is all.
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O_o Dormio, that quote is about DAN. Not Conqueror. The difference is the willingness to actually defend your town friends instead of letting them get lynched first.
And this is why you should explain your reads. You've just gone from 'Shadoweh is townish for reasons I will not explain' to 'Shadoweh is scum'. I gave multiple reasons why Schezo was town throughout the day.
Let's see, Day 1 I interfered with people trying to lynch Schezo, started a wagon on Zakeri, and got ignored because I was scum with Schezo and people wanted to lynch PX because PX was scum because hell if I know. That's twice now, by the way. Twice you've hopped onto a growing town wagon in the Official Scum Spot. What did I do D1? What didn't I do Day 1? Lynch town, that's what. This is still avoiding the actual wagon and trying to lynch someone unrelated. Yesterday I had bad feelings about Conq. Today I started off with extremely hypertensive feelings towards Conq. And yet I haven't felt confident enough to vote for him. I can't figure out why that is. But hell, live by the gut and die by it. And if Conq isn't scum the scum driving the PX wagon is you.
"Zakeri is scum because he's making the same case against me when I was scum and he was town." :V
I thought it was scummy to use reasoning stolen from another game. I have since apologized for assuming Zakeri was trolling me. We're townie friends now (even if he's likely to help you with this charade.)
The others?
"Conq is scum because."
"Schezo is town because."
The first one I give you. The second is incorrect after about 48 hours. Schezo was town for involving himself directly in the game instead of letting the action happen around him and adding comments between ducking under rocks. This is something I stated repeatedly. I stated exactly why I felt PX was town as well.
Also of note:
#117 "JOB is too derp to be scum"
#142 "JOB is someone I would vote for" :V
Let me ask you something. If you were given JOB as a scum partner, what would you advise him to do during the day? I would tell him to be as annoying as humanly possible. If someone asks why you think they're scum, say it's because they did scummy stuff. Give people the runaround! I couldn't decide whether he was doing it on purpose or not. I don't think so now. I was really hoping he was scum though. :<
Status of Shadoweh's Current wagon:
Zakeri: Shadoweh is still scum I'll reread the game brb 1 week
Dan: Shadoweh is obvscum because BUNNIES!
Dormio: I'm allergic to having consistent town reads and I heard this wagon was picking up steam <-- I'm aware he didn't actually say this but this is what I'm hearing.
Why do all my wagons always sound like you guys were eating freaking paint chips before posting?
##Vote: Dormio You're floating through this game. This attack is the scummiest of all.
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Your entire case on Zakeri is based on defending me.
No really, that's what alot of #160[/quote] boils down to. The word Shadoweh appears more in that paragraph then Zakeri. He's attacking Shadoweh for an invalid reason, see thinking I'm going to get lynched. He has no case and is just saying Shadoweh is scum because she read Schezo as town. Zakeri's attacks on Shadoweh feel off. These posts can't be taken correctly in context because the entire argument falls apart the minute you consider Shadoweh as scum.
Regarding reasonings in [url=http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg751875.html#msg751875]#237 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg750741.html#msg750741). First point is more linking Zakeri to Shadoweh.
Second point seems like you're asking if people found the option scummy. Zak was obviously expressing that between two town reads and himself he was frustrated he might be the best lynch between them. You call it AtE, I call it townie frustration. It's a towntell.
At the moment this case allows you to just throw your case on Zakeri out the window until tomorrow when gasp Shadoweh is the town! :o Not that you explained anything about why you've dropped Zak. It would be hard to since he literally hasn't posted.
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I know how to link posts. Shut your filthy mouths.
#160 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg750741.html#msg750741)
#237 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg751875.html#msg751875)
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Sup guys, I'm posting from my sister's laptop :V
Dormio: I'm allergic to having consistent town reads and I heard this wagon was picking up steam <-- I'm aware he didn't actually say this but this is what I'm hearing.
##Vote: Dormio You're floating through this game. This attack is the scummiest of all.
Ummm... In your #219 you said you thought Dormio was town.
Now you're voting him.
That doesn't look like consistent town reads to me.
Cut by Shadoweh.
:V
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To be honest I hadn't been reading Dormio's posts since the beginning of the day. He just felt town so I've been ignoring him.
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Come to think of it that's probably because of the constant defending. This is textbook buddying combined with chainsaw defending in order to make cases on town attacking town. This is a reminder to myself to stop ignoring people being scum in front of me and actually reread people based on things besides likes/hates Shadoweh.
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Aww yeah, let's get this mafia ball rolling.
O_o Dormio, that quote is about DAN. Not Conqueror. The difference is the willingness to actually defend your town friends instead of letting them get lynched first.
And? I'm referring to Conq's #230. The following, to be specific.
Suddenly you're acting all righteous since you "got" PX's alignment right before the flip and you "knew" Schezo was town. Alright, you get credit for being right, but I don't like the attitude that now PX was obvtown and "doing good" and his wagon was built to troll him.
And this is why you should explain your reads. You've just gone from 'Shadoweh is townish for reasons I will not explain' to 'Shadoweh is scum'. I gave multiple reasons why Schezo was town throughout the day.
You were townish because I only skimmed through your posts. Upon actually reading them, I find a lot of your content to be absolutely meaningless.
Your "He posted a lot earlier, even though he isn't posting much now."? Because you can magically glean alignments from inconsistant activity levels, right? :V
Let's see, Day 1 I interfered with people trying to lynch Schezo, started a wagon on Zakeri, and got ignored because I was scum with Schezo and people wanted to lynch PX because PX was scum because hell if I know.
Yeah. Interfered. "GAIZ SCHEZO IS TOWN. JUST LISTEN TO ME K?"
PX is always scum, just look at DtB. :V
That's twice now, by the way. Twice you've hopped onto a growing town wagon in the Official Scum Spot.
Two is my favorite number.
What did I do D1? What didn't I do Day 1? Lynch town, that's what. This is still avoiding the actual wagon and trying to lynch someone unrelated.
Hahahahaha. Most sus statement ever, bro.
Yesterday I had bad feelings about Conq. Today I started off with extremely hypertensive feelings towards Conq. And yet I haven't felt confident enough to vote for him. I can't figure out why that is. But hell, live by the gut and die by it. And if Conq isn't scum the scum driving the PX wagon is you.
"Conq is obvscum but I won't vote for him until someone else can build a proper case for me." :V
I thought it was scummy to use reasoning stolen from another game. I have since apologized for assuming Zakeri was trolling me. We're townie friends now (even if he's likely to help you with this charade.)
#219. Uh huh, townie friends. Totes.
The first one I give you. The second is incorrect after about 48 hours. Schezo was town for involving himself directly in the game instead of letting the action happen around him and adding comments between ducking under rocks. This is something I stated repeatedly. I stated exactly why I felt PX was town as well.
:V
Oh yeah, 48 hours later, and because he defended himself? I'm pretty sure that most scum don't just give up and die the moment that they're accused of being scummy on D1. :V
I assume that you're referring to #174 when you say that you explained your town read on PX. And it's basically "I like PX's AtE.", isn't it?
Let me ask you something. If you were given JOB as a scum partner, what would you advise him to do during the day? I would tell him to be as annoying as humanly possible. If someone asks why you think they're scum, say it's because they did scummy stuff. Give people the runaround! I couldn't decide whether he was doing it on purpose or not. I don't think so now. I was really hoping he was scum though. :<
Ragequit. Uh huh. So you couldn't decide whether or not JOB was scummy? I don't know, man, you sounded like you had already made up your mind by #117. Except apparently you had actually meant to say scum, as you say you would have voted for him in #142. Then you had no idea what you thought of him in #219. And now apparently you say that he's town again in #253. :V
Dormio: I'm allergic to having consistent town reads and I heard this wagon was picking up steam <-- I'm aware he didn't actually say this but this is what I'm hearing.
Kind of like you? I like the 180 on me as soon as I made a case on you. :V
Why do all my wagons always sound like you guys were eating freaking paint chips before posting?
What the fuck do you have against paint chips? I don't have any more crayons, okay?
##Vote: Dormio You're floating through this game. This attack is the scummiest of all.
Scummier than your OMGUS?
These posts can't be taken correctly in context because the entire argument falls apart the minute you consider Shadoweh as scum.
Yep. I reread you properly and therefore think that Zakeri is town now. Problem?
To be honest I hadn't been reading Dormio's posts since the beginning of the day. He just felt town so I've been ignoring him.
:V That's kind of exactly what I did to you yesterday.
Come to think of it that's probably because of the constant defending. This is textbook buddying combined with chainsaw defending in order to make cases on town attacking town. This is a reminder to myself to stop ignoring people being scum in front of me and actually reread people based on things besides likes/hates Shadoweh.
Could you explain this to me?
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It is on like Donkey Kong.
Aww yeah, let's get this mafia ball rolling.
And? I'm referring to Conq's #230.
And this explains why you were quoting Dan how?
Regarding the quote from Conq: That's right. How does that make me scum, in your own words?
Your "He posted a lot earlier, even though he isn't posting much now."? Because you can magically glean alignments from inconsistant activity levels, right? :V
Misrep. The frequency of his posting combined with his actual content was gleamable. Though I'm flattered you think I'm a magician.
PX is always scum, just look at DtB. :V
Deflection of guilt. This isn't DtB. I evaluate people by their current performance, not the mafia of however many games ago.
Hahahahaha. Most sus statement ever, bro.
I don't even know what this is suposed to mean. It's mafia 101 to use flips to gain knowledge on players. By people ignoring the wagon the flips become useless.
"Conq is obvscum but I won't vote for him until someone else can build a proper case for me." :V
Pulled out of nowhere. Also extremely hypocritical. Or through exchanging questions, accusations and beer bombs my belief in his scumminess has shaken. Speaking of building proper cases, when are you going to do that instead of following the droppings of other players?
#219. Uh huh, townie friends. Totes.
It's not like I mentioned him after that or anything right. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg751635.html#msg751635)
Oh yeah, 48 hours later, and because he defended himself? I'm pretty sure that most scum don't just give up and die the moment that they're accused of being scummy on D1. :V
More misrep when did I ever so much as imply Schezo was town for 'defending himself'? That reasoning wasn't used once. It was [urlhttp://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg750251.html#msg750251]24 hours[/url] by the way (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg750532.html#msg750532) when I told people why I thought Schezo was town. Which you would know if you were actually rereading me instead of flinging crap.
I assume that you're referring to #174 when you say that you explained your town read on PX. And it's basically "I like PX's AtE.", isn't it?
Well, besides saying I thought he was town in my first serious post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg749851.html#msg749851) and having generally stated that PX's points felt town to me before that, it would seem so. However saying it's because I liked his AtE is misrep still, I expressed my belief he was obvtown long before any AtE existed.
Ragequit. Uh huh. So you couldn't decide whether or not JOB was scummy? I don't know, man, you sounded like you had already made up your mind by #117. Except apparently you had actually meant to say scum, as you say you would have voted for him in #142. Then you had no idea what you thought of him in #219. And now apparently you say that he's town again in #253. :V
Do not doubt the ability of the wild Shadoweh to waffle over reads. I would say JOB was the least likely of the people on my list in 142 to be voted, as denoted by how I didn't bother mentioning him. Why is my inability to make up my own mind followed by townie suport when the important lynching times came scummy?
Kind of like you? I like the 180 on me as soon as I made a case on you. :V
You made me notice you. Congrats.
Yep. I reread you properly and therefore think that Zakeri is town now. Problem?
Hugely. This means you're still linking our lynches together instead of evaluating us seperately as players. Scum Shadoweh does not denote a Town Zakeri, especially if I were looking at it from the outside, noting how I stopped supporting a wagon on him today.
Could you explain this to me?
Do you need a dictionary? I'm saying your constant buddying, IE "Shadoweh is town" + "Zakeri is scummy for all these attacks he's doing on Shadoweh", and chainsaw defending, IE "Zakeri's attacks on Shadoweh are off therefore Zakeri is scum", especially combined with hopping onto me at a perceivable mislynch turnabout, make you a scummy kitsune.
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Shadoweh, I hate how you format quotes. Also, you are too good at this URL linking thing.
And this explains why you were quoting Dan how?
Regarding the quote from Conq: That's right. How does that make me scum, in your own words?
I wasn't quoting Dan. I was quoting the statement that you made in regards to Dan. Like I said in #252, I thought that you yourself were guilty of the thing that you accused Dan of.
In my own words? I find your need to remind us on multiple occasions that you thought that both PX and Schezo were town and the attempts to use this as leverage to get what you want to be highly suspect.
Misrep. The frequency of his posting combined with his actual content was gleamable. Though I'm flattered you think I'm a magician.
I don't particularly like the reasoning, but whatever.
Of course you're a magician, for you've just cast a spell on my heart.
Deflection of guilt. This isn't DtB. I evaluate people by their current performance, not the mafia of however many games ago.
Yes and evidently people, including myself, thought that PX was scummy in this game. I don't really see how it's a deflection of guilt.
I don't even know what this is suposed to mean. It's mafia 101 to use flips to gain knowledge on players. By people ignoring the wagon the flips become useless.
The first part, where you say "What did I do D1? What didn't I do Day 1? Lynch town, that's what." is doing that thing again where you're emphasizing how you weren't on PX when he was lynched, and that your words should carry that much more weight because of it.
Pulled out of nowhere. Also extremely hypocritical. Or through exchanging questions, accusations and beer bombs my belief in his scumminess has shaken. Speaking of building proper cases, when are you going to do that instead of following the droppings of other players?
This is what I'm feeling. Throughout D1 you accused Conq of being scummy, yet failed to provide a case. You poked at Conq today, but without a vote, it doesn't amount to much. However I feel that, had somebody made a case on D1, or if they had made one today as well, you would have been all over that as fast as you could. Yes, this is speculation on my part. What of it?
It's not like I mentioned him after that or anything right. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg751635.html#msg751635)
Where are my glasses... Oh here they are. And somehow, I missed that post.
Okay, I'll concede that. Regardless, it still means that your D1 push on Zakeri was bad.
More misrep when did I ever so much as imply Schezo was town for 'defending himself'? That reasoning wasn't used once. It was 24 hours (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg750251.html#msg750251) by the way (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg750532.html#msg750532) when I told people why I thought Schezo was town. Which you would know if you were actually rereading me instead of flinging crap.
Both of them are for him posting frequently in the early portion of the game. The part where he was mostly defending himself due to me and, later, JOB.
Well, besides saying I thought he was town in my first serious post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg749851.html#msg749851) and having generally stated that PX's points felt town to me before that, it would seem so. However saying it's because I liked his AtE is misrep still, I expressed my belief he was obvtown long before any AtE existed.
Because questions followed up by nothing are so townie. :V
Anyway, I suppose I shall concede this point.
Do not doubt the ability of the wild Shadoweh to waffle over reads. I would say JOB was the least likely of the people on my list in 142 to be voted, as denoted by how I didn't bother mentioning him. Why is my inability to make up my own mind followed by townie suport when the important lynching times came scummy?
The fact that you didn't mention him doesn't really matter much. After all, you still expressed willingness to lynch when his lynch was viable, after having implied that you believed him to be town earlier.
You made me notice you. Congrats.
It was nothing.
Hugely. This means you're still linking our lynches together instead of evaluating us seperately as players. Scum Shadoweh does not denote a Town Zakeri, especially if I were looking at it from the outside, noting how I stopped supporting a wagon on him today.
It does not, but I believe that he would be far more likely to be town than not if you were scum.
Do you need a dictionary? I'm saying your constant buddying, IE "Shadoweh is town" + "Zakeri is scummy for all these attacks he's doing on Shadoweh", and chainsaw defending, IE "Zakeri's attacks on Shadoweh are off therefore Zakeri is scum", especially combined with hopping onto me at a perceivable mislynch turnabout, make you a scummy kitsune.
Yes. I hate english.
All I can say here is bad timing, I was gone for pretty much the first half of D2 so oh well.
I'm still tired from yesterday and I want to go to sleep. Screw ya'll.
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LOTS OF DELICIOUS SHADOWEHCONQ POSTS TO READ
I will devour them heartily
the words not the people :c
They make me think they're both town. ...no wait that's Dormio not Conq what am I saying. At some point it went from a Conq-Shadoweh spat to a Dormio-Shadoweh spat and I didn't notice ;_; Well where's the Conq part again... oh there's only one Conq post and yeah he feels the same to me as he did before so
god but I can't actually find anything to make a case out of ;_; I mean I read his posts and "THIS DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT" but I can't pick out any reasons to actually say he's scummy.
Also WHERE ARE YOU ZAKERI. And Dan that post is so incredibly barebones and lacking in :wikipedia: that I don't even. Get your asses back here. Both of you. Before I go >:C and reconsider the town read I have on you Dan.
...it really feels like I should have more to say then this, but I can't think of things to say about my second suspect and my main suspect hasn't posted in a long time. And everyone else still looks town enough so far.
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It's dangerous to post around here (in my physical location) but I'll try to sneak in some mafia time before 3 pm when I leave to eat thanksgiving dinner. I've had to retype this post about 3 times now.
Current thoughts: Dormio looking more town and is no longer ignoring Shadoweh.
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Yeah... I'm not too surprised that people aren't really posting on -thanksgiving-. There's not really much to be done about that, I suppose. Ah well, we're going to have a mess to round up on D3, but it'll be fun I guess!
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I have about 2/5 th's of what I want to say saved on Notepad. Expect the rest in about ~6-7 hours depending on how long dinner takes. It will be night and I won't be under anyone's thumb then.
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Busy with Thanksgiving atm. Will post afterwards.
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I keep being informed it's some form of holiday in your silly country.
@Huh what: Although there isn't room for one in the rules I would like to request a one day extention for Thanksgiving. Or the game being on hold or something. Yes.
Now back to arguing with the Koralian.
I hate how you keep quoting me wrong so we're even?
I wasn't quoting Dan. I was quoting the statement that you made in regards to Dan. Like I said in #252, I thought that you yourself were guilty of the thing that you accused Dan of.
In my own words? I find your need to remind us on multiple occasions that you thought that both PX and Schezo were town and the attempts to use this as leverage to get what you want to be highly suspect.
I think of it more as removing control of the wagons from those who have proven they are not good at them. Not only did you lynch town, the general consensus of thought has been you lynched town and gained no knowledge from it.
Yes and evidently people, including myself, thought that PX was scummy in this game. I don't really see how it's a deflection of guilt.
This in itself is a deflection of guilt. You're saying it's okay because other people were voting him. You were wrong. The lack of guilt from any of you for throwing a lynch away also angers me. We only have two mislynches before suddenly we're in LYLO.
The first part, where you say "What did I do D1? What didn't I do Day 1? Lynch town, that's what." is doing that thing again where you're emphasizing how you weren't on PX when he was lynched, and that your words should carry that much more weight because of it.
And? That's a statement of fact. We should be hunting on the flipped wagon, not on random people who were voting possible scum. There IS scum there. I can understand why you wouldn't want to be confirmed scum though.
This is what I'm feeling. Throughout D1 you accused Conq of being scummy, yet failed to provide a case. You poked at Conq today, but without a vote, it doesn't amount to much. However I feel that, had somebody made a case on D1, or if they had made one today as well, you would have been all over that as fast as you could. Yes, this is speculation on my part. What of it?
It is almost like I hadn't decided if I wanted to vote Conq or not. I honestly can't say if another's case would have changed my mind, I get nervous when people agree with me. But this also comes from the viewpoint of attacking me for possibly attacking someone who is a suspect from the viewpoint that they're town. The same thing as with Zakeri. So what if I had voted Conqueror? Maybe someone's case would have pointed out him spelling 'I am scum' with the first words of all his posts or something.
Where are my glasses... Oh here they are. And somehow, I missed that post.
Okay, I'll concede that. Regardless, it still means that your D1 push on Zakeri was bad.
It means I think I was pushing town now. I accept no guilt for unflipped suspect lurkers. You don't seem to either, despite having clearly stated you were also willing to lynch him yesterday.
Both of them are for him posting frequently in the early portion of the game. The part where he was mostly defending himself due to me and, later, JOB.
Thank you for reminding me you spent the early game attacking Schezo with JOB. :V Your reasoning for voting him was he was trying to get you to vote for a townie named PX. Funny how that worked out in the end.
The fact that you didn't mention him doesn't really matter much. After all, you still expressed willingness to lynch when his lynch was viable, after having implied that you believed him to be town earlier.
His lynch was viable all day. His lynch never stopped being viable. Yet by the end I informed PX (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg750801.html#msg750801) that he was town and there was no possibility of lynching him for being scum in my mind. I will maintain he was a better target to get out of the game then PX was.
I don't think you think I'm scum. The amount of conceding you do to me in this conversation admits you think most of your points are misunderstandings on your part. Keep choo chooing that mislynch scum.
To Serela, just because you're being town doesn't mean you should keep posting nothing substantial. <_< Read Dormio again so you can find the parts where he's scum. Read Conqueror again. Point out the parts that don't seen right to you. Actually look at Dan instead of threatening to think of him as less townie which is like.. the most adorably ineffective threat ever.
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@Huh what: Although there isn't room for one in the rules I would like to request a one day extention for Thanksgiving. Or the game being on hold or something. Yes.
Given that I myself have been rather busy lately and we also have one person on V/LA right now, this seems fairly reasonable to me.
The end of day 2 has been pushed back to 3:30 PM on November 26th (PDT). You now have about 47.5 hours remaining in the day.
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Given that I myself have been rather busy lately and we also have one person on V/LA right now, this seems fairly reasonable to me.
Wait.. who's on V/LA?
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JOB? I dunno.
Anyway, let me play LoM in peacereading brb.
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JOB PMed me yesterday telling me that he was going to be on V/LA for two days. He also mentioned saying this in thread, but... he didn't, so yeah.
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Thank you HW, that day is sorely needed. Been upset lately since one of my parent's afflictions, Asain Parent Syndrome, flared up again. Being forced to sleep now in order not to miss waking up at 6am to get to a chess tournament in philly. Hopefully I'll find some way to get internet access tomorrow (I'm not sure if I'll be allowed to bring my laptop).
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JOB PMed me yesterday telling me that he was going to be on V/LA for two days. He also mentioned saying this in thread, but... he didn't, so yeah.
Oh, yeah he did mention it in thread, he just didn't use the words V/LA. I was hoping it was Zakeri. >___>
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:V
I got it back earlier than I expected.
I'm back and ready to roll. Just let me read first.
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I was expecting more posts :V
I don't really know what to make of the argument between Shadoweh-Conq>Dormio. I thought they were all town. But I'm actually feeling less confident with Shadoweh now.
I can't put my finger on why though.
Serela is still not doing much. I'll wait on Dan for a bit. Zak needs to post.
Also can we have a votecount?
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tl;dr I don't know what to say :V
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I don't really know what to make of the argument between Shadoweh-Conq>Dormio. I thought they were all town. But I'm actually feeling less confident with Shadoweh now.
I can't put my finger on why though.
Because I have more votes on me. :V
If we're all town where the scum be at?
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At least I didn't come in and accidental hammer you like in Vanilla Mafia 2 :V
I don't think I want that happening again :V
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Unless you're scum of course.
In that case it would've been lucky :V
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<_< I'd prefer you not vote me at all, you know.
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Well obviously :V
But it's not your decision. It's mine.
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So I have no idea how to words, and I suffered from mild food poisoning or something as I was writing this post. Whatever.
I think of it more as removing control of the wagons from those who have proven they are not good at them. Not only did you lynch town, the general consensus of thought has been you lynched town and gained no knowledge from it.
So you are now the general consensus? Tell me who, outside of yourself, has said that we have gained no knowledge from PX's lynch.
This in itself is a deflection of guilt. You're saying it's okay because other people were voting him. You were wrong. The lack of guilt from any of you for throwing a lynch away also angers me. We only have two mislynches before suddenly we're in LYLO.
I'm saying that I thought that PX was scummy, and that other people must have as well since he got enough votes to be lynched. What of it?
And? That's a statement of fact. We should be hunting on the flipped wagon, not on random people who were voting possible scum. There IS scum there. I can understand why you wouldn't want to be confirmed scum though.
Another fact is that you say that you believed Zakeri to be town once he said that the whole Graveyard thing was not trolling. Which means that, in your perspective, your vote was on town at the end of the day. I like how that works. :derp:
It is almost like I hadn't decided if I wanted to vote Conq or not. I honestly can't say if another's case would have changed my mind, I get nervous when people agree with me. But this also comes from the viewpoint of attacking me for possibly attacking someone who is a suspect from the viewpoint that they're town. The same thing as with Zakeri. So what if I had voted Conqueror? Maybe someone's case would have pointed out him spelling 'I am scum' with the first words of all his posts or something.
Except you expressed willingness to lynch him yesterday, have continued to do so today, and even made a case on him. You just did that thing where you failed to place a vote on him at all. In addition to this, you kind of voteparked on Zakeri yesterday, as well as failing to place your vote anywhere else today. This makes me think that you're being opportunistic in regards to Conq.
It means I think I was pushing town now. I accept no guilt for unflipped suspect lurkers. You don't seem to either, despite having clearly stated you were also willing to lynch him yesterday.
What I'm saying is that I think that your entire reasoning for voting Zakeri was complete bs.
Thank you for reminding me you spent the early game attacking Schezo with JOB. :V Your reasoning for voting him was he was trying to get you to vote for a townie named PX. Funny how that worked out in the end.
I voted for him because I felt that he was trying to direct my vote, what of it?
His lynch was viable all day. His lynch never stopped being viable. Yet by the end I informed PX that he was town and there was no possibility of lynching him for being scum in my mind. I will maintain he was a better target to get out of the game then PX was.
Express intent to lynch the dude you claim is town over the guy that you've been saying is bad all day whilst failing to provide an actual case.
Proceed to use the fact that you were on another person that you think was town's wagon instead of the person that got flipped to explain how right you are and how we should all listen to you, since the people that voted for PX are dumb. :V
After all, you've pretty much said that your only problem with him was that you disliked how he made a similar case to one that he used in Graveyard, yet you were still voting for him at the end of D1.
I don't think you think I'm scum. The amount of conceding you do to me in this conversation admits you think most of your points are misunderstandings on your part. Keep choo chooing that mislynch scum.
Oh, I do believe that you're scum. I shall reorganize my thoughts on you, since it's probably been all jumbled up in this exchange.
- Votepark on Zakeri whilst expressing willingness to lynch other people.
- Rubbish reasoning for voting Zakeri, "You're trolling me by using the same case that you did in another game, aren't you?", and going with this for the entire day.
- Opportunism on Conq.
- Attempts to control today's lynch because she was so totally right about PX and Schezo being town. Note that she deflects my point about her town read of Schezo coming from him defending himself by simply reiterating my reasoning for attacking Schezo earlier in the day.
- Failure to produce a vote for a large portion of today, combined with voteparking yesterday.
Oh, and by the way, since when did Serela become townie to you anyway?
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I'm not sure what you mean by leading people on with questions. There are always certain answers I'm looking for. I'm not trying to rig the questions other then to see if the person responds the way I think they would as a townie. That includes the 'trap question' you pointed at earlier.
If you frame questions a certain way you're going to get certain answers out of it. It looked to me like you were overly invested in the answers.
Anyway, after reading a bit and calming down, I'd still rather lynch Serela than Shadoweh or anyone else. I'd feel better about the Shadoweh wagon if the people voting her would show up and post. :V Meanwhile, you have Serela, who still feels like he's reading past half the game, and a lot of people have voiced suspicion of him but no one has been willing to vote him.
I feel like I missing responding to something.
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I'd feel better about the Shadoweh wagon if the people voting her would show up and post. :V
Aren't you one of those people? :V
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Wait no you aren't holy crap I'm tired or something.
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I do agree, though.
Serela, Zakeri, Conq and Dan should post more.
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Dear not reading the game Dormio:
First of all, there hasn't been a single drop of information taken from the lynch, or the nightkill. Secondly.
The PX lynch feels useless in terms of gathering info. At least my lynch would have resolved something that everyone hadn't already guessed was true, anyway.
Except you expressed willingness to lynch him yesterday, have continued to do so today, and even made a case on him. You just did that thing where you failed to place a vote on him at all. In addition to this, you kind of voteparked on Zakeri yesterday, as well as failing to place your vote anywhere else today. This makes me think that you're being opportunistic in regards to Conq.
Now it's voteparking? Trying to drive someone to a lynch who isn't town to me at the time is voteparking now? Again these attacks are made to mean nothing when tomorrow the named people are still unflipped possible scum. 'Failing' to vote isn't scummy either. In fact if I were being opportunistic with Conq I would have voted him when Serela did to make him a compelling wagon for people like JOB.
What I'm saying is that I think that your entire reasoning for voting Zakeri was complete bs.
It was cool enough yesterday for you to support lynching him.
Express intent to lynch the dude you claim is town over the guy that you've been saying is bad all day whilst failing to provide an actual case.
Proceed to use the fact that you were on another person that you think was town's wagon instead of the person that got flipped to explain how right you are and how we should all listen to you, since the people that voted for PX are dumb. :V
After all, you've pretty much said that your only problem with him was that you disliked how he made a similar case to one that he used in Graveyard, yet you were still voting for him at the end of D1.
It's hard to make 'actual cases' as you term them, on people who don't post often. However I don't think my thoughts on Zakeri were lacking. My 'only problem' was that he used a post that looked like a joke post with reasoning taken from another game and was presenting it at 100% serious. I'm not sure what exactly about his vote change that struck me as town but it strikes to me of his stronger townie moments. The people voting for PX were still dumb. Except for the one(s) that were scum. Aren't you happy I think you're playing well instead of a foolish townie?
Oh, I do believe that you're scum. I shall reorganize my thoughts on you, since it's probably been all jumbled up in this exchange.
- Votepark on Zakeri whilst expressing willingness to lynch other people.
<--- Not a votepark and people kinda have to be willing to lynch more then one person on Day 1, yo.
- Rubbish reasoning for voting Zakeri, "You're trolling me by using the same case that you did in another game, aren't you?", and going with this for the entire day.
<-- That reason is 100% legit and I would vote him again. He made one other post in which he expressed no scum reads except Shadoweh. Although his sudden concern about his read on you twinges me and I'd look at him again if you flip scum.
- Attempts to control today's lynch because she was so totally right about PX and Schezo being town. Note that she deflects my point about her town read of Schezo coming from him defending himself by simply reiterating my reasoning for attacking Schezo earlier in the day.
<--- I have done what I've always done. 24 hours of prodding suspicions, 24 hours of accusing. The accusing stage looks like it gets to go on longer today. My town read of Schezo was at the start of the game and had nothing to do with him defending himself you lying fox so shut your scummy misrepping mouth.
- Failure to produce a vote for a large portion of today, combined with voteparking yesterday.
<-- Votes are boring. Not voting is not scummy after Day 1. Still not a votepark. and using the word FAILED is attributing negative connotations the action doesn't need.
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Oh, and by the way, since when did Serela become townie to you anyway?
Since about the last post he made that makes him sound like he's drowning. Conqueror, how est reading past half the game of text walls exactly scummy for someone like Serela, and what is your opinion of his last post? Also why won't you help me lynch Dormio god damnit.
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Yknow, maybe we should stop posting text-walls at each other so the rest of the players can actually read the game to catch up. >_>
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Yknow, maybe we should stop posting text-walls at each other so the rest of the players can actually read the game to catch up. >_>
Other players?!?! You mean it's not just you and I?
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Other players?!?! You mean it's not just you and I?
I feel forgotten :(
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Also Shadoweh, in case you couldn't tell. The fact that I'm not so sure of you being townie means I would reconsider you first to be scum, other the other three.
Speaking of which ##FoS:Shadoweh
I don't like the willingness to drag this argument out between you and Dormio. IMO Dormio is using valid points which you are just trying to throw back on him with bad points. Taking meta into account I know you should be able to do better than this, which makes me feel you are just doing it to drag it out instead of proving your innocence.
Also we gain information from any flip, regardless of alignment. Maybe you didn't get any information because you knew it already (aka Shadoweh scum)?
In fact, one thing I noticed is that both the people who argued with me ended up dead. If this is supposed to be scum's way of getting the attention onto me for an easy lynch then boy did it work well :V
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@Shadoweh (and to an extent, Huhwhat) asking about who was on V/LA:
I'm posting to mention that I will have limited access for the next 2 days. So I might not be on at all during this time.
I did mention it :V
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Tally IX: The Votecount of the "Superior Yoghurt Flavor"
Shadoweh (3): WHMZakeri, ActionDan, Tamamo no dorMae (L-1)
ActionDan (1): J.O.B
Serela (1): MySTKing
Tamamo no dorMae (1): Shadoweh
WHMZakeri (1): Serela
Not Voting: Nobody!
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
About 29 hours remain in the day.
Shadoweh is at L-1!
WHMZakeri has been prodded.
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Woot! 6 hour loss.
next game starts at 7 and I need to eat something.
tl:dr version of what I'll be saying tonight (since I still olny have about 2/5)
Shadoweh has been painting a picture since she posted her "reads" on D1. Dormio magically becomes unvotable whilst Job is one of four Shadoweh is considering to vote, even though at that point Shadoweh had never stated Dormio was a town read while Job had been given at least a town lean. Meanwhile Conq gets bad-mouthed because... Shadoweh doesn't trust him for whatever reason. Same with the vague "Dan seems too quiet" thrown my way. The reason I asked about Schezo is that if you are REALLY letting activity times since somebody last posted affect your judgement it should be applied equally. Your "Schezo posted so much in the first 24 hours" is a ridiculous reason to shoo away the next 24 hours of inactivity. After you put me as red, your feeble attempt to justify the read was "Dan feels like he's going after people that look bad after the flip". Riiiiggghhht. Going after Zak and you? First, Zak actually looked like the person who was most likely to get lynched yesterday. If Px hadn't voted himself and switched to Job, Dormio had expressed intent to switch to Zak, which might have happened before I switched to Px (which I would have done considering the wrong VC and then the 25 min warning which happened minutes before I got to computer class). Second, You were not on Px and had called Px town. Were you supposed to look bad? OR are you talking about the possible Zak lynch.... because you looking BAD from that had it gone through means you are assuming that zak is town... a priori.
Similarly, you go "I think Schezo/Dan arguement had something to do with Schezo's death". Every picture needs a frame. That "arguement" was a try to explain to Schezo what I thought of his earlier spat with Dormio. On the same note Schezo's death is pretty good for a Scum!Shadoweh. Since you spare no quips telling us that you look at Job funny (when he's not town to you) only because Schezo/Px were "screaming" his name, let me remind you that Schezo's last words were that he thought you were scummy. Px also had a scum read on you, although he wasn't screaming it. Moreover the way you phrased "you lynched someone I thought was town and killed someone I knew was town" is self-centered. Scum are capable of killing off their town reads to get fresh starts for the new day. Your attack on Conq earlier for being the town leader of the Px wagon makes no sense when you simultaneously ignore Dormio's vote on Px (which on a re-read during the night I found oppurtunistic) and tell Conq "well if it's not you, it's someone else, go look at the others and make a case, but you are most likely the scum on the wagon."
All your cases tell me is why you THINK someone MIGHT be scum, but I don't see any specifics as to ACTIONS they did that WERE SCUMMY. What did Pesco call this? Shit-flinging.
More shall come later (Dormio/Shadoweh) but I'm straving.
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I blanked that 3 votes is L-1 today.
I don't even have a real wagon. The only person who's given any reason to be voting me is Dormio. I refuse to be Lynched by Lurkers, this is embarrassing. This would have been our deciding wagon right now if I hadn't asked for an extension. Pathetic.
*deep breaths*
The rest of us are too spread out. I will concede that Dormio being able to keep up with me in a WoT War is a sign of towniness for him. Regardless, no one else is interested in his lynch and I have a vested interest in us lynching someone who has a chance of flipping scum IE NOT ME. Since my lynch is the one on the line I'm going to make the first omg bandwagon hopping concession and.. I can't believe he cut me before I voted him. God damnit Dan.
##Unvote
##Vote: Action Dan
Well before I read his post which is already infuriating me, I'll talk about why Dan. Let's compare something neat.
Tally IX: The Votecount of the "Superior Yoghurt Flavor"
Shadoweh (3): WHMZakeri, ActionDan, Tamamo no dorMae (L-1)
Reads:
Scum: Shadoweh
Scummy: Zak, Dormio
Your partners on my wagon are the other people you think are scummy, Dan. I must be scum partners with the moon at this point. And you should just be better then posting a vote and leaving knowing you were going to be gone that long. Also I don't like you. :p In fact I'm going to respond to your post seperately as this is more important.
If this exchange with Dan convinces me otherwise I would choose Zakeri over Serela, half because between the two I think he's more likely to be scum, and half because if he gets modkilled as town and I'm lynched today scum wins. You all also have no interest in voting Conqueror, I have no time to try for another push onto him at this point.
Also, since I am apparently the scummiest thing on earth today, I should show you my claim.
OH GOD WHY
I mean confirmations!
I claimed my soul crushing pm in my first post. I am a Vanilla Town. I think I should stop inning to any form of 'normal' game, it doesn't seem to take well to me.
I don't like the willingness to drag this argument out between you and Dormio. IMO Dormio is using valid points which you are just trying to throw back on him with bad points. Taking meta into account I know you should be able to do better than this, which makes me feel you are just doing it to drag it out instead of proving your innocence.
JOB, stop it. Winning or losing an argument doesn't make the winner town or the loser scum. Taking meta into account isn't something you're capable of doing if that's your conclusion. I am not getting enough sleep to be scum and I am far too lazy as scum to get involved in a post war. What you're doing is ignoring voting based on your own conclusions (see: your vote on Dan) and deciding whose case you agree with so you can vote based on reasoning that sounds good to you. You have to learn to make your own decisions. Does Shadoweh sound like scum? Does Dormio sound like town? Could they both be town and we should be looking elsewhere? You don't have to pick a side to be right.
Also we gain information from any flip, regardless of alignment. Maybe you didn't get any information because you knew it already (aka Shadoweh scum)?
Do tell us what information you have gleaned from the town flips, beyond that Schezo and PX were town. Tell how this information is useful to you in tracking down the actual scum. Your assertation that I didn't gain anything because I already knew their alignments is correct, however.
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Actually, before I address anything about that post, I'm going to take this point aside because it pisses me off the most.
All your cases tell me is why you THINK someone MIGHT be scum, but I don't see any specifics as to ACTIONS they did that WERE SCUMMY. What did Pesco call this? Shit-flinging.
Because Pesco was able to read me so well. I could fucking kill you for this line alone.
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My laptop is doing that thing where it's on the verge of blowing up again, so low activity.
And what is up with only two people posting in twenty four hours. :/
Anyway.
First of all, there hasn't been a single drop of information taken from the lynch, or the nightkill. Secondly.
Excuse me whilst I go somewhere else to laugh. No information from the lynch? May I inquire so as to how you're getting this information that somebody on the PX wagon must have been scum? I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I highly dislike how you keep emphasizing the fact that you did not get the person you wanted lynched, and therefore everyone should follow you blindly today.
Also, #222. Where did you get this from, if not from Schezo and PX after their deaths? :V
Now it's voteparking? Trying to drive someone to a lynch who isn't town to me at the time is voteparking now? Again these attacks are made to mean nothing when tomorrow the named people are still unflipped possible scum. 'Failing' to vote isn't scummy either. In fact if I were being opportunistic with Conq I would have voted him when Serela did to make him a compelling wagon for people like JOB.
Scum for what? Making a post that you thought was there to troll you. Only he said it was serious and you kind of dropped and ignored him for the rest of the day. Except you didn't drop the vote. What is that if not voteparking?
Care to point out when Serela voted for Conq?
It was cool enough yesterday for you to support lynching him.
Hahaha no. Nice try, though. I believe that I was expressing suspicion of Zakeri for a completely different set of reasons than yours. I do like how you're trying to make it sound as thought I was sheeping to you, though.
It's hard to make 'actual cases' as you term them, on people who don't post often. However I don't think my thoughts on Zakeri were lacking. My 'only problem' was that he used a post that looked like a joke post with reasoning taken from another game and was presenting it at 100% serious. I'm not sure what exactly about his vote change that struck me as town but it strikes to me of his stronger townie moments. The people voting for PX were still dumb. Except for the one(s) that were scum. Aren't you happy I think you're playing well instead of a foolish townie?
"He stopped voting for me, I like him."? :V
Not a votepark and people kinda have to be willing to lynch more then one person on Day 1, yo.
Yep. Because having a singular reason for voting Zakeri that you threw away when he simply stated that it was not a joke post is the best reason to keep your vote on someone for an entire day, right?
That reason is 100% legit and I would vote him again. He made one other post in which he expressed no scum reads except Shadoweh. Although his sudden concern about his read on you twinges me and I'd look at him again if you flip scum.
I have since apologized for assuming Zakeri was trolling me.
Really now?
I have done what I've always done. 24 hours of prodding suspicions, 24 hours of accusing. The accusing stage looks like it gets to go on longer today.
Because "OMG Why didn't you guys listen to me I told you PX and Schezo were town ok now let's lynch Conq because." is so totally prodding, right? :V
And then the accusing, where you make a case on Conq without a vote, is so valid, right? :V
My town read of Schezo was at the start of the game and had nothing to do with him defending himself you lying fox so shut your scummy misrepping mouth.
You have said yourself that your town read of Schezo was based around his large amount of activity early on in the game. Almost all of this was him defending himself. Care to explain how the two are unrelated?
Votes are boring. Not voting is not scummy after Day 1. Still not a votepark. and using the word FAILED is attributing negative connotations the action doesn't need.
Sure it's not. :V
And your need to constantly call me scummy aren't?
Since about the last post he made that makes him sound like he's drowning.
How was that post different from the others?
Also, I have another question for you.
RE: Serela and Dormio. So I guess I'm the only one who considers those two could be insane enough to actually do that together as scum? It doesn't mean anything now since there are better Dormio posts to look at.
Why did you even bother bringing this up?
Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
CUT. GODDAMN IT. MY LAPTOP IS OVERHEATING, HERE.
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Why is it that as soon as I say that my laptop is on the verge of blowing up, I manage to fix it? (For how long, noone knows)
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You have to learn to make your own decisions. Does Shadoweh sound like scum? Does Dormio sound like town? Could they both be town and we should be looking elsewhere? Do tell us what information you have gleaned from the town flips, beyond that Schezo and PX were town. Tell how this information is useful to you in tracking down the actual scum. Your assertation that I didn't gain anything because I already knew their alignments is correct, however.
I do know how to make my own decisions. It ws my decision to FoS you. Not yours, not Dormio's, not Dan's, not Conq's, not anybody's, just mine.
Yes you sound like scum, yes Dormio sounds like town, yes it is "possible" you could both be town but I don't think that is likely.
The information we get from flips is stuff like interactions with the players, seeing if people buddied up to anybody (i.e, you), we get the alignment of the players who flipped (which is precious information). There is a lot you can get from a flip. You're just a lazy scum who already knew it and is complaining about the "little" information we got.
Also that last sentence is a scum claim :V
Oh and I interpreted that "claim" as you getting scum yet again.
Cut by Shadoweh and Dormio.
Cut by Dormio again. Lol
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The information we get from flips is stuff like interactions with the players, seeing if people buddied up to anybody (i.e, you), we get the alignment of the players who flipped (which is precious information). There is a lot you can get from a flip.
No. Tell me something relevant to this game. This is just mafia theory.
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No. Tell me something relevant to this game. This is just mafia theory.
seeing if people buddied up to anybody (i.e, you)
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ignore thepost where i said i fixed my laptop it just shut itswelf down =/
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Look Dormio, I made spaces just for you!
Excuse me whilst I go somewhere else to laugh. No information from the lynch? May I inquire so as to how you're getting this information that somebody on the PX wagon must have been scum? I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I highly dislike how you keep emphasizing the fact that you did not get the person you wanted lynched, and therefore everyone should follow you blindly today.
Also, #222. Where did you get this from, if not from Schezo and PX after their deaths? :V
So you've pointed out how I personally am trying to draw information from it. Have you noticed the lack of it from everyone else, including you? This wagon is a tangent. You're on a lynch train with people who can't be bothered to read our posts. Wake up.
Scum for what? Making a post that you thought was there to troll you. Only he said it was serious and you kind of dropped and ignored him for the rest of the day. Except you didn't drop the vote. What is that if not voteparking?
Care to point out when Serela voted for Conq?
He wasn't saying anything all day Dormio, what exactly was I suposed to add beyond 'Still voting Zakeri, pretending his troll post is serious is still scummy'?
I.. though Serela and Conq were voting each other. The tone of Serela's posts imply he wants to vote for Conqueror. I'm not sure what to think of that.
"He stopped voting for me, I like him."? :V
Come off it. I wasn't viable yesterday, his vote on me wasn't worth anything.
Really now?
I'm not apologizing again even if you keep bringing it up.
Because "OMG Why didn't you guys listen to me I told you PX and Schezo were town ok now let's lynch Conq because." is so totally prodding, right? :V
And then the accusing, where you make a case on Conq without a vote, is so valid, right? :V
Stop misrepping my play, that's hardly everything I did in the first third. The accusation phase would be when I started voting YOU.
You have said yourself that your town read of Schezo was based around his large amount of activity early on in the game. Almost all of this was him defending himself. Care to explain how the two are unrelated?
His activity and what he was doing are slightly unrelated. What mattered was the active effort he was putting into participating in the game itself. He was not being guarded, he wasn't dropping off because he was suspected, and he was absolutely 100% not British.
How was that post different from the others?
It was the continued level of non-sensical that Serela irradiates. His actions say if he is scum, his partner is Conqueror. I am tentatively ruling that out for now.
Also, I have another question for you.Why did you even bother bringing this up?
Because it was the thought that struck me at the time. Why are you bothering to bring it up again?
You're still not applying this knowledge you say you gained, JOB. You're naming things that in theory you will gain. What did you gain from PX and Schezo? What did the information tell you and what are the conclusions you drew from them? Don't answer this with 'You buddied up to them because you're scum'. The answer is still too general and doesn't involve you thinking enough.
And after having filled page after page today how dare you call me lazy. This is why I wanted you dead even though I think you're town, JOB. Because you're an idiot and I wouldn't have to waste my time talking to you.
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You realize if you piss me off I will just vote you.
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I think that, as long as I don't move anything, I can keep my computer running like this.
You realize if you piss me off I will just vote you.
That is bad and you should feel bad.
Making another post.
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Well it's not like I'm lynching someone who I think is town.
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Yes but it's cutting the day short. And that is a big no-no. Especially when people like Conq, Zakeri, Serela, and Dan need to get in here and post.
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That would be a dick move and not in the spirit of the game at all. I suggest if you want to be tolerated you don't do that for that reason. I'm not talking to you anymore.
Calm Blue Oceans.. Okay, so Dan.
Re: Dormio as a town read. I never saw or felt a need to explain myself. Dormio was accepted town. I'd prefer not to waste my time explaining things people have already figured out.
The reason I asked about Schezo is that if you are REALLY letting activity times since somebody last posted affect your judgement it should be applied equally. Your "Schezo posted so much in the first 24 hours" is a ridiculous reason to shoo away the next 24 hours of inactivity.
Why would I judge you by the same standards? You're not Schezo. What makes you lean towards towniness and scumliness is completely different, For example, you can also be prone to light inactivity as town, but when you're here you attempt to be as clear as possible. You left us with a vote, a list of reads and nothing. Your points on my Day 1 activity aren't clearly saying what your interpretation of the event was, just that it happened.
After you put me as red, your feeble attempt to justify the read was "Dan feels like he's going after people that look bad after the flip". Riiiiggghhht. Going after Zak and you? First, Zak actually looked like the person who was most likely to get lynched yesterday. If Px hadn't voted himself and switched to Job, Dormio had expressed intent to switch to Zak, which might have happened before I switched to Px (which I would have done considering the wrong VC and then the 25 min warning which happened minutes before I got to computer class). Second, You were not on Px and had called Px town. Were you supposed to look bad? OR are you talking about the possible Zak lynch.... because you looking BAD from that had it gone through means you are assuming that zak is town... a priori.
I agree the logical words sounded like much less then my feelings behind them. Gut doesn't translate well into cases. I'll accept the reasoning on Zakeri, except that Zak wasn't at L-1 and Dormio couldn't hammer him. For myself, there was a general negative connotation being carried about my name, irrespective of the lynches. You guys come up with the most bizarre scumtells for me. At this moment I am assuming Zakeri was town.
On the same note Schezo's death is pretty good for a Scum!Shadoweh. Since you spare no quips telling us that you look at Job funny (when he's not town to you) only because Schezo/Px were "screaming" his name, let me remind you that Schezo's last words were that he thought you were scummy. Px also had a scum read on you, although he wasn't screaming it.
I was wondering if someone would bring this up. Schezo wasn't pushing my lynch though, nor was he as likely to as the other half of the game, and his opinions were being taken with high amounts of suspicion. He would have been the kind of detractor I would have tried to lynch instead of kill. I'm puzzled why he died.
Moreover the way you phrased "you lynched someone I thought was town and killed someone I knew was town" is self-centered.
I have never denied my narcissistic tendencies.
The rest of the stuff is about me ignoring Dormio which is ~*~garbage~*~ until Dan catches up on Pages DormioxShadoweh 1-3.
I'm going to go do something else. Something that doesn't have me looking at certain people here for awhile. Yeah.
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By the way, have I said that over half the game need to get in here and start talking? Because they really need to get in here and start talking.
Look Dormio, I made spaces just for you!
:D
So you've pointed out how I personally am trying to draw information from it. Have you noticed the lack of it from everyone else, including you? This wagon is a tangent. You're on a lynch train with people who can't be bothered to read our posts. Wake up.
There's also a lack of everything from everyone else. :V
As for me, I dunno, I think that it's possible to draw information from who avoided a wagon and for what reason, you know.
But I'm tired.
He wasn't saying anything all day Dormio, what exactly was I suposed to add beyond 'Still voting Zakeri, pretending his troll post is serious is still scummy'?
I dunno, you had a while from when Zakeri made his #129 where he stated that it was simply coincidence to think about it. Yet you continued to keep your vote on him whilst barely mentioning him.
I.. though Serela and Conq were voting each other. The tone of Serela's posts imply he wants to vote for Conqueror. I'm not sure what to think of that.
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Come off it. I wasn't viable yesterday, his vote on me wasn't worth anything.
No vote is worthless. :( I like how you don't deny it, though. :V
I'm not apologizing again even if you keep bringing it up.
Just saying. (http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq147/ligotgaspar/emoticon/mw_rolleyes.gif)
Stop misrepping my play, that's hardly everything I did in the first third. The accusation phase would be when I started voting YOU.
Then what did you do?
His activity and what he was doing are slightly unrelated. What mattered was the active effort he was putting into participating in the game itself. He was not being guarded, he wasn't dropping off because he was suspected, and he was absolutely 100% not British.
I dunno, I figure that it's a lot easier to be active if you're under fire. Whatever.
It was the continued level of non-sensical that Serela irradiates. His actions say if he is scum, his partner is Conqueror. I am tentatively ruling that out for now.
So you changed your read over, effectively, nothing? Serela is being weird, therefore scummy. Serela continues to be weird, townie. ???
Because it was the thought that struck me at the time. Why are you bothering to bring it up again?
Because I'm wondering why you would bring it up, only to state that it doesn't apply anymore. Feels a bit off to me.
Also, how come you've been ignoring various points?
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ALSO, WHERE IS EVERYONE ELSE?
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Since about the last post he made that makes him sound like he's drowning. Conqueror, how est reading past half the game of text walls exactly scummy for someone like Serela, and what is your opinion of his last post? Also why won't you help me lynch Dormio god damnit.
Because I ISO'd Serela and it doesn't feel like he's even trying. >_>
Like seriously, he's still voting Zakeri. I mean, it's not like Zakeri has done anything, but Zakeri literally hasn't posted since the start of the day so there's absolutely nothing to say about him, and it's not like Serela has said much about not!Zakeri and so lynching Zak would basically be a PL...basically I'm seeing it as a vote park. Serela's last post was fluffy but Serela has posted fluff as scum before, so to me it's just another indication of the lack of content. Why won't you help me lynch Serela? Is it because he isn't voting you? :P
JOB, what do you think of not!Shadoweh?
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Pretty much all of my opinions stand from the quick rereads. The only one that changed was Shadoweh.
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Conq: Why did you only answer this after I stopped voting Dormio? ;_; I can't really think of a refute to your logic. I think my thinking skills have burned out. I think Serela would be as much a lynch for being bad over policy though. I assume you don't want to lynch Dan with me either. ._.
Dormio: I really think we should stop fighting. We have more content between us then the rest of the game combined. Two people arguing this stupidly passionately about their sides are way more likely to be town vs town then to have any scum involved in there somewhere. I've been ignoring some of your points because if I didn't the posts would be like twice as big and Conqueror would never read them.
Actually I get the feeling no one is reading them anyways. Who are you suspicious of that isn't named Shadoweh?
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Shadoweh: I wasn't around to post it earlier. Anyway, your votes on Dormio and Dan have both read like OMGUS to mebecause I can't really tell why you're voting them. I'll admit I haven't read through the game as much as I should have, but they both seem townie to me. Summarize your cases on them?
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I named Dan as scum first so it's more like a reverse OMGUS. I was voting him because he was lurking out the day voting me for being scum because I'm scum. He's still voting me despite how he's paired with his next-scummiest people. His post is a conspiracy theory about painting a picture. Why don't you actually go read post #309 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg752696.html#msg752696) to see what I disagree with about him. Possibly even give your opinion on what he's saying so I don't feel like I'm the only one answering queries today.
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No, I read the walls. Post #309 actually doesn't tell me much of anything except that you're voting him for his first post of the day.
I think hunting for scumpairs without a flip is pretty stupid, honestly. >_> It lets scum set up weird shenanigans. So how is his list scummy?
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Besides that it's the only content in his post, it's a list of reads without any justification for them. I recall someone saying those lists are easy to fake and they make the person making them look very obvscum. Though I hadn't thought about the point until you asked. The lack of anything else is what struck me as wrong.
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Fair enough; I noticed that while he explained the Shadoweh read, he hasn't really talked about Zakeri or the others on his list.
Of course, this wouldn't be as much of a problem if he would show up and actually post more, like half the game. :V
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Although I'd love to keep waiting for lurkers I don't have the luxury of time to do it and they're getting away with murder because of it. Mine, to be specific. And you know the mafia will practically be a dead zone tomorrow if I'm gone.
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Actually, now that I think about it, are you voting Dan for similar reasons to why Serela is voting for Zakeri?
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I don't recall why Serela is voting for Zakeri. You could tell me in your own opinion what the reasoning is and if I am or not.
Ahaha the active people right now are you, me, Dormio and JOB. There pretty much isn't a viable lynch but my own today.
What a pointless day. I can't believe I lost sleep over this.
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I feel remembered :3
Also if I'm right, deadline is around 10AM for me. I don't like waking up early. But I'll try and be on.
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Besides that it's the only content in his post, it's a list of reads without any justification for them. I recall someone saying those lists are easy to fake and they make the person making them look very obvscum. Though I hadn't thought about the point until you asked. The lack of anything else is what struck me as wrong.
This and the fact that I'm unable to post because of real life circumstances are the only reasons you give for Scum!me.
Last Night (3am) I was making a post about why I thought your interactions with Dormio today were indicative of scum!you/town!Dormio when AT&T wireless hotspot Bullshit timed out and I lost internet access and I didn't copyy/paste. Now internet is being spotty (I keep getting disconnected every few minutes).
First at the time I gave those reads Dormio still hadn't bothered looking at you which was 1/2 the reason I was suspecting him. The other 1/2 was what I considered to be the most oppurtunistic vote on Px and a case on Zak that had only one original point I could understand (If Zak thought Schezo vs Dormio was town vs town why didn't he say more to convince us) while the rest I couldn't wrap my mind about (The 100% town tell thing where shadoweh's name comes up a lot. I couldn't follow what you were trying to get across).
Unlike your magical town read or Zak , Shadoweh, Zak's read has changed only from scum ---> scummy as while I believe his case on you is insubstansial and not by itself indicative of you being scum, it has been consistant and I believe that Zak truely believes it, since I actually get where he's coming from, which is more than whatever your going on about in your "cases".
No, Shadoweh, your scum partner is not Dormio or Zak (well possibly Zak if you were taking a chance staying on the Zak wagon till end of day, but Zak seems too serious about his vote on you). Your Partner is most likely Serela due to a few interactions. "Am I crazy enough to think Serela + Dormio are scum for their ED1 tomfoolery" hiding a real scum under a ridiculous accusattion. "Serela had to have someone ask her SOMETHING." Except that was the extent of it. I don't even remember what Serela thinks of you besides "one of Zak/Shadoweh is scum because I feel that way and I think it's Zak".
Yes Shadoweh, you have been painting a picture. You never fail to mention me "lurking" or in comparision you being active. Your last post is an attempt to placate Dormio with "let's be friends because each of us post so much, and I might not be able to answer all of your points."
short list of things from Dormio/shadoweh that I find dumb as shit.
-Shadoweh: "I was the leader of the Zak wagon!" This is something you tried to pass off as something to your credit but actually your vote was weak as shit until you re-confirm voted and by that point I had voted Zak.
-Shadoweh: "Dormio's case on Zak is just Defending Me! "Shadoweh" came up more times than "Zak"! Gee I dunno, considering Zak was focused solely on you, you might think he's going to be judged on that. Also it wasn't Dormio defending you.
Shadoweh, who do you think is scum because the last I remember was you voting me because "needs another bandwagon who may be scum" whilst adding shoddy reasons as you went along after.
I should have another period of time inbetween chess matches were I can post before deadline.
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Yesterday
"Oh well it's the morning and stuff and I've got plenty of time before I have to post so I'll play some GoS"
play GoS for like half an hour
then get whisked off to go eat some food at a restaurant and end up getting dragged around all day and then FINALLY get home and have to do chores and fuq
okay but I'm here again'
Okay so at this rate I'm expecting Zak to just get modkilled. He hasn't posted in like, what, 72 hours?
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I'm not ready to lynch Shadoweh today (Unless I reread her and SEE THE LIGHT and suddenly flip my read on her). When was the last votecount again...? Okay so Dan has two votes on him and I could easily send him up to three. Dan vs. Shadoweh. Hrm. Shadoweh is willing to vote Conq too so if we could convince anyone on that (there's still time) hrm...
Need to reread Dan/Shadoweh/Conq and decide who I want to vote, which I'll be doing like, right now. I thiiink we have about 9 hours and 10 minutes left. Blargh
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Okay so I'm rereading and god it's going to be a relief for me when we get Zak's flip. He may have turned into a practical nonexistence in D2, but there's still information to be found around how people treated him D1 (and I guess early D2?)
The only thing that worries me about a Zak modkill is that it makes today LyLo if he isn't scum. So basically, it's really really important we try not to mess this up, just in case!
Dan's trying so hard that my finger doesn't want to type out the syntax for voting him. Same as with Shadowhe, if Zak is scum he most likely isn't just due to how the end of D1 played out, while if Zak flipped town then I could maybe see this... grah. Zak, why must you not be here today? I want to lynch YOU and not have to worry about "is this lylo or not due to you probably being modkilled?"
In fact, I can even turn this Dan/Sahdowhe/Zak into a web of "If X is scum then Y probably isn't" but fuck there's no point without any flips yet. I don't want to draw up a big list of scumteams and cross out ones that don't make sense to try and narrow down the likeliness of things.
As I reread, this turns more and more into a Dan vs. Shadoweh. My dumb web of connections that I can't get out of my head is pointing towards one or the other but not both; and annoyingly, if Zak flipped scum it'd be neither and I'd have to go back to the drawing board and want to vig Conq or something.
Actually screw this.
Huhwhat, when will Zakeri be modkilled assuming he does not return at all, and when do we get his flip?
I'm going to look at Conq now.
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Blurgh I rememebered some things and fuck no Shadoweh isn't scum. Hell if we're lynching Shadoweh. Just... no. Willing to vote Not-Shadoweh over Shadoweh today. Now yeah that conq reread so I can decide between him and Dan.
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...why even lynch?
If Zakeri is getting modkilled (Which I pretty much consider to be something that should happen as soon as huhwhat looks at the game again, by my count he has not posted in EIGHTY-TWO HOURS, which is over three days) then at the very least if he flips town we're in Pseudo-MyLo, and that's assuming there's a doctor who isn't roleblocked who targets the person scum will NK.
Unless we get his flip by day end I'm much rather ##Vote No Lynch. We're allowed one of those before Rocks Fall Everybody Dies. I don't want to throw away the game just because Town was a little trigger-happy with their lynch; this is basically town having forced-Zak lynch and the option to lynch again if they want to risk losing the game. We do not need to risk losing the game to have a second flip today. Hell to the no we don't.
But I don't know if everyone will agree with this, so UNFORTUNATELY I'm not going to be surprised if I end up getting made to hammer Dan or something just to avoid a Shadoweh lynch, so I better stop distracting myself and finish this conq read after I eat the yummy sandwich I'm making
mmm chicken sandwich with mayo dipped in syrup
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Oh yeah. Not lynching Serela. He's like the only one paying attention right now.
Then again this is so sane MAYBE HE IS SCUM111!!!ONE.
Yes Shadoweh, you have been painting a picture. You never fail to mention me "lurking" or in comparision you being active. Your last post is an attempt to placate Dormio with "let's be friends because each of us post so much, and I might not be able to answer all of your points."
No, my last post is an attempt to placate Dormio with "We're arguing over word semantics at this point and neither of us is scum so let's kill them before I die and you get nightkilled so D3 is a blank wasteland."
There were other words in your post but I'm not interested in addressing them since you're only interested in voting for town today.
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Honestly I suspect Conq a little just because he's active and hasn't addressed this connundrum.
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I've also made a new rule for myself. I'm not even going to look at this game anymore unless I'm drunk. Good thing I still have a stock!
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Guh I still think all of Conq's posts just aren't... right. But the only specific thing I can actually point out that comes to mind is him implying that me having a neutral read on someone is the exact same (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg750791.html#msg750791) as Zakeri's LOL IDUNNO (http://puu.sh/9nz9) paragraph about PX and using said ridiculous comparison to write my post off as a "hypocritical wagon hop".
And also lynching Zak would basically be a PL
,which is wrong because the entire time before Zak vanished off the face of the earth he was scum and he did some scummy shit so we should kill him, and from D1 there's still lots of information to be garnered off the lynch (As my recent frustration is showing)
I mean these aren't the big reasons why Conq looks bad to me but they're just the only things I can think of pointing out. Everything else is... collective small things maybe? My brain doesn't want to work with me here. It's telling me like it is but it's not telling me why ;_;
That being said if I had to lynch someone today it would so, so definitely be Conq. But I'd still rather have No-Lynch due to lol modkill mylo
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I'm awake! I'm awake!
Anyway, let's see here...
Stuff actually happened when I went to sleep this time! :o
Actually I get the feeling no one is reading them anyways. Who are you suspicious of that isn't named Shadoweh?
I suppose that the other person I would be willing to lynch today is Serela, but I really want to see Shadoweh's flip.
I've been ignoring some of your points because if I didn't the posts would be like twice as big and Conqueror would never read them.
Is this the only reason?
I've got to do some stuff but I'll explain why Serela once I get back.
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WHMZakeri has been modkilled for failing to post within 24 hours of receiving a prod. He will be flipped at the end of the day.
Town is now in MYLO.
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Oh god damn it.
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Can we have a votecount?
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Honestly tempted to just call the game. People don't seem to be having fun and modkilling in a 9p game is kind of a clusterfuck. :x
Votes have been cleared out entirely by the modkill @Dormio. Forgot to mention that.
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That works too, I suppose.
##Vote Shadoweh
@Mod: Maybe we could find a replacement? Since he hasn't actually been flipped yet and stuff.
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He has been flipped.
Town wouldn't be in MYLO if he wasn't town, Dormio.
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He's already been confirmed town on the grounds that I mentioned that it's now LYLO, so he can't be replaced. You just don't know his role.
I do realize I probably could have poked around for a replacement, but I had already given town and the players in general a ridiculous amount of lenience this phase (deadline extension, prods being given out later than usual) and I'm honestly getting impatient with this game. I wasn't even requesting a game-related post, so Zak could have easily just said "Hi I exist" to avoid the kill, or personally told me that he didn't have time to play if he needed a replacement. Call it a mod folly postgame if you want, but for now it doesn't matter.
It doesn't help that MotK has like 20 players who all hate actually joining/playing mafia games. I don't like having to pro-actively bug people to join my games, so getting a replacement would probably be more of a hassle than it sounds at this point.
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ANYWAY, THAT SERELA POST. I AM MAKING IT. BEFORE MY LAPTOP OVERHEATS AGAIN.
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Just got back.
Wait, if town is in Mylo, doesn't that imply Zak is now confirmed town or is this intentional wifom? o__O
rereading now.
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I supose I should say despite my annoyance at cdertain JOBs I'm still having enough fun to keep posting here.
Despite that you're trying to lynch me.
You monsters.
This is why I went with the assumption there's scum on both wagons, pushing for double town wagons. (Obviously the scum on Zak was meee ah ha ha ha)
I'm going to assume that Dan post is genuine because from scum it would just be a stupid question.
##Vote: Conqueror
Process of elimination says you have to be scum again yaay! But who would your partner be, uhm, if it's you and Dormio I will have an annurism post game. So JOB or Serela? Oh lynching JOB would make me so happy!
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OH WELL ZAK IS TOWN THAT'S A THING.
...so how much time left until deadline, huhwhat? You didn't mention... :c I think it's roughly 2-ish hours...
Okay since Zak's alignment has flipped I'm fine with lynching. And Conq is definitely choice #1.
I'll also settle for Dan if I have to but really Conq is like way higher up there. Way higher. Blargh I'm fairly busy right now, or I'd start writing stuff up on Dan.
##Vote Conqueror
...trying to decide who his partner is tomorrow is going to be a thing x_x Unless I look and just go "...yeah it's probably just Dan" but whatever we'll see
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PS Dan + Dormio please be the scumteam and quickhammer Conq
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Another thought. If we are going to lynch, we should mass claim. If we are not, we should not. Considering everyone seems to be pointing at everyone else, I'm ok with a no lynch. Zak being town only makes me want to lynch Shadoweh more.
cut by Shadoweh.
And I was thinking you thought Serela was sensible for suggesting no lynch. Is deadline still in ~2 hours!!. My next game is 1.75 hours. ##Vote No Lynch
##Fos: Shadoweh
I forgot JOB was in this game. Dormio is the person I would not lynch. Conq I would not lynch because the vote is telling me shadoweh is trying to lynch Conq FTW. Out of Serela/Job, Serela is the most likely partner. I feel like Shadoweh has played around (so too speak) with Job too much for them to be partners.
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Because I ISO'd Serela and it doesn't feel like he's even trying. >_>
Going to simply copy this for Serela's D1 and early D2. I mean, what has he contributed?
Most of Serela's post since his return are waffle, they say pretty much nothing.
#327 is basically analyzing the setup, except Serela quickly makes the assumption that Zakeri is town. The only problem with this is that, earlier, Serela was saying that he'd be fine with a Zakeri lynch since Zakeri has been doing scummy stuff and should be lynched in his most recent post, and he's been carrying this sentiment for a while. If you think that Zakeri is scum, why were you so quick to make the assumption that he was town in case of modkill?
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And what the hell is up with that #343.
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Goddamnit people.
And what the fuck is #344?
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I did! But 100% serious on the vote. Honestly I didn't think the rest of you would go for a No-Lynch.
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##Vote: No-Lynch
Still gonna lose if Dan is town since his world revolves around magical Shadoweh Scum.
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Jesus Christ what the fuck. huh what, can we at least get another deadline extension?
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I wanted to be prepared for a situation in which he was town because it meant POSSIBLY ENDING THE GAME TODAY. That is sort of IMPORTANT, and stuff :c
Also it's more like analyzing "Why we don't want to lynch today due to mylo/modkill situation". I mean I don't think you even CAN analyze the setup in this game. Are you saying that my "At best it's Pseudo-mylo because there may or may not be a doctor" is analyzing the setup? U so silly.
Anyway the reason No Lynch is uninteresting is because Conq is the scums and we know Zak's alignment already and the nightkill isn't going to be all that exciting (Oh hey unless there's a cop, or a successful doctor hit, well I guess we could wait...
well yeah I guess no-lynch is still maybe better
it's just I'm HUNGRY FOR KILLING DEM SCUM and I'm feeling p.confident Conq is one so
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##Vote No Lynch
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I honestly don't think that we're going to learn much from a no lynch.
I would much rather do or die here.
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Honestly he should have just ended the day, though it's been awhile since we've had a game that does that.
I'd rather not since your vote isn't on scum, thanks.
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I'M SURROUNDED BY COWARDLY THIRD PARTY SURVIVORS.
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Honestly he should have just ended the day, though it's been awhile since we've had a game that does that.
I'd rather not since your vote isn't on scum, thanks.
What does this mean specifically?
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In the rulesets of alot of mods a modkill hurts the team that gets hit by it, as scum it resets the day count and as town it ends the day, effectively becoming the lynch. We've kind of been playing where people drop off like flies.
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Whatever. I really want to lynch Serela because of the way he just went wheeeeeeeeee Zak is town NOW LET'S LYNCH CONQ hurr durr.
But I can hammer no lynch.
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Anyway the reason No Lynch is uninteresting is because Conq is the scums and we know Zak's alignment already and the nightkill isn't going to be all that exciting (Oh hey unless there's a cop, or a successful doctor hit, well I guess we could wait...
The hell does this mean?
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EBWOP: The "nightkill isn't going to be all that exciting" part
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I guess for the sake of pretending I'm currently trying I should ask Serela why Zak being town makes Conqueror scum.
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I honestly don't think that we're going to learn much from a no lynch.
I would much rather do or die here.
##Unvote No Lynch before Conq goes "nope not lynching me" when I ask HEY DORMIO WOULD YOU LYNCH CONQ WITH US :]
I mean I'm still all for lynching Conq if enough people would like to.
Conq:It means "Well I guess spending a night is beneficial for town if there's a living cop or a successful doc hit I guess" but otherwise tbh there's not much reason to not lynch now (as long as we're not lynching towndoweh)
And Shadoweh it's because everyone can't be town. :c
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EBWOP: The "nightkill isn't going to be all that exciting" part
I was asking about this. What, decided the NK already?
A no lynch could be potentially useful for information gathering precisely because of PRs.
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Oh I missed Conq's EWBOP because of Shadoweh's cut.
Well because it's probably going to be... well actually since it'll be LyLo I guess it's not auto-landing on a obvtown. It could land on someone who is suspected but they want dead because they would vote for the scum. So maybe it's not really all that unexciting. :shrug:
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I think that lynching scum is more beneficial.
And I suppose I should say ##FoS Serela.
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STOP CUTTING ME.
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I just like lynching people I think are scum ;_;
dormio that answer didn't help me very much I don't think you even read my question to you yet
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No, I would not join you in lynching Conq today.
Also, care to define who "us" is? Your scumbuddy? :V
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I just realized that it's going to be a pointless endeavour trying to lynch Serela anyway because JOB isn't even online.
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I dunno, we have 5 people here, don't we?
Unless Dan disappeared off the face of the earth due to his chess game or whatever he's doing.
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Also, care to define who "us" is? Your scumbuddy? :V
No, it's Shadoweh! Who also wanted to lynch Conq D: Err at some point she did at least.
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We need 4 townies to lynch properly. I suppose I'm not the only person who thinks Shadoweh claimed scumbuddies with Serela in thread. >_>
Cut by Serela: Oh you cheeky little
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##Unvote No Lynch before Conq goes "nope not lynching me" when I ask HEY DORMIO WOULD YOU LYNCH CONQ WITH US :]
I mean I'm still all for lynching Conq if enough people would like to.
Conq:It means "Well I guess spending a night is beneficial for town if there's a living cop or a successful doc hit I guess" but otherwise tbh there's not much reason to not lynch now (as long as we're not lynching towndoweh)
And Shadoweh it's because everyone can't be town. :c
Didn't know serela was selling last minute candy these days.
The more I think about what just happened with the influx of Serela posts, the more I go huhwhat?
No lynch suggested for puesdo-mylo becomes Vote:Someone cuz Zak is town!!! to no lynch is sucky we should lynch that guy who I think is scum. "Oh I forgot about Doctors + Cops they might be effective during night" to wait maybe we should lynch Conq. HOW CAN YOU THINK LIKE THIS SERELA.
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Your scumbuddy? :V
No, it's Shadoweh!
Are the two not synonyms? :V
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Also I'm still here for an hour.
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I was going to say Dormio is the obvious kill, but he has this thing where he won't stop trying to murder me, so I dunno.
Well I know who I would murder. It would be amazing.
I get like the creepiest feel from how huh what isn't revealing Zak's role. If he's the doc (I assume he's not cop since he thinks I'm Guilty), I would le scream.
I giggle at Serela's post though considering the magical scumpairing. I have not claimed anything besides being vanilla town and not drunk enough for this game.
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DAN IT TOTALLY MAKES SENSE IF YOU FOLLOW MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT D:
A.I did not want to lynch without having Zak's flip because :mylo:
B.We got Zak's alignment so I'm fine with lynching
C.???? (aka nolynch or lynch the fuq out of something)
D.Profit! (If town wins)
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Honestly he should have just ended the day, though it's been awhile since we've had a game that does that.
-I am the mod, meaning that what I say goes. I can alter any of these rules as I see fit. If you don't like it then keep it to yourself until postgame.
No, seriously, I'm not particularly happy about having to modkill somebody and don't want to already deal with complaints about how I went about it right now. Like I said, save complaints for postgame, thanks.
Dan and Shadoweh are voting No Lynch. Dormio is voting Shadoweh.
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I don't see a deadline extension from huh what, so I assume it's still the same time as before.
##Vote: No lynch
Serela can hang tomorrow.
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No Lynch is at L-1!
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The hell, Serela?
Zakeri might be town so it'll put us into MYLO if he dies so we shouldn't lynch.
Oh Zakeri died and is town therefore it's MYLO and now I'm fine with lynching.
???
Fuck it.
##Unvote
##Vote Serela
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B.We got Zak's alignment so I'm fine with lynching
And what does Zak's alignment tell you?
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Actually.
##Unvote
huh what, when's the deadline?
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Well no one's getting lynched so lets get a move on. There's... questionably... only an hour and a half till deadline anyway.
##Vote No L- no lets finish this conversation Dormio ;_;
The reasoning is that I could not make a proper decision without Zak's flip! But then I got his flip. So the problem was gone.
It's highly questionable whether a decision made by me in my rather off-kilter state right now is "proper" but that's beside the point.
Oh hey dormiocut well Zak's alignment tells me that ActionDan isn't obvtown and that, well, there's still two scum out there! I don't think JOB or Dormio are the scums (My dormio is getting shakier but I'll review that tomorrow and probably decide he's still town but we'll see) and I view Shadoweh as def. town and I know I'm town so that leaves Conq and Dan.
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I was going to say Dormio is the obvious kill, but he has this thing where he won't stop trying to murder me, so I dunno.
Well I know who I would murder. It would be amazing.
I get like the creepiest feel from how huh what isn't revealing Zak's role. If he's the doc (I assume he's not cop since he thinks I'm Guilty), I would le scream.
I giggle at Serela's post though considering the magical scumpairing. I have not claimed anything besides being vanilla town and not drunk enough for this game.
I'm getting the creepiest feel that you haven't considered there is a Doc + Cop in the setup. Let us not speak a word more about this.
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brb mistaking conq for dormio
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The reasoning is that I could not make a proper decision without Zak's flip! But then I got his flip. So the problem was gone.
Zakeri might be town so it'll put us into MYLO if he dies so we shouldn't lynch.
Oh Zakeri died and is town therefore it's MYLO and now I'm fine with lynching.
???
It still makes absolutely no sense to me.
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@Conq: 1 hour, 30 minutes
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How exactly do you expect me to defend myself from an accusation we shouldn't be talking about in the first place, Dan?
Zak is not a cop because he is screaming I'm Guilty when I know I am innocent. That's all there is to that.
Perhaps we should calm down. We're growing quite flustered and voting in rage and island rhythms. A No-lynch would allow us to at least gather our bearings again. It might give Dormio's laptop time to stop exploding too.
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Cool, so we don't even have to vote no lynch to no lynch for the day. :V
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I didn't want to make an uninformed lynch on MyLo! With Zak's flip it was no longer uninformed. Problem solved :]
I'M HAVING SO MUCH FUN NOW YAY I feel like I might be drunk is there something in this water it's so nice
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You're not making any sense Serela.
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qq it makes perfect sense to me
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I mean Job isn't even here so I am not considering lynching a solution without his input.
You're not making any sense Serela.
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##Unvote
##Vote Serela
##FoS Shadoweh
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Oh whatever let's lynch Serela and end the game then.
##Vote: NeoSerelaian
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>_>
##Vote: Shadoweh
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##Vote: Shadoweh
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##Unvote
Jesus Christ
No we're not lynching anyone because JOB isn't here.
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##Unvote
##Vote No Lynch
##Fos Serela
##Fos Shadoweh
This might as well be done for Job to see >_>.
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Oh whatever let's lynch Serela and end the game then.
##Vote: NeoSerelaian
I can't read into sarcasm right now but this looks like a breach of playing to win to me. If people are going to be like this then I'll just end the game because I honestly don't want to host at this point (this isn't just because I had to modkill Zak fyi).
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:/
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I'm pretty sure I have to unvote for it to count so I don't see how it's a breach of anything. :V
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No dude what.
Ffff I mean if you all want to lynch me that bad I'll vote Shadoweh because at least it's not someone I know factually to be town >>
But augh ##Vote No Lynch I prefer this muchly to EITHER of those choices.
Also d'awww huhwhat :c I'm having lots of fun, at least!
Maybe other people who aren't will get back into the swing of FUN (http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Fun) after 24 hours of night.
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Oh hey you only suggest it I probably shouldn't do that then
##Vote No-Lynch
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I'm pretty sure I have to unvote for it to count so I don't see how it's a breach of anything. :V
This is not the time to be talking out your ass.
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Also, I have to honestly ask at this point why JOB being here is important since not a single person has thought of him as being scum today.
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I'm pretty sure I have to unvote for it to count so I don't see how it's a breach of anything. :V
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:derp:
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Because if he's town WE NEED HIM TO LYNCH SCUM
Honestly. >_>
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:/ I honestly thought it didn't count. I wasn't trying to throw the game, that would be stupid.
I've had enough in-game attacks on my character here. I'd appreciate it if the out of game ones stopped.
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Rainbows and unicorns and friendship and stuff.
##Unvote
##Vote Serela
##FoS Shadoweh
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Also, I have to honestly ask at this point why JOB being here is important since not a single person has thought of him as being scum today.
I didn't really like his day two. It seemed he forgot about things that happened day 1 if he asked to consolidate cases that were spread out over three posts. (Like Zak's case against you for example and my case against Zak)
Rereading the rules-
-Votes are to be preceeded by ##s, otherwise they don't count. Bold is appreciated but not required. Likewise, unvoting before voting another player is nice for the mod but not actually necessary.
Did you actually not know this?
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cut by hearts and rainbows and nice things.
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We don't need him to No-Lynch though. I'm pretty sure even the scum team will get on board that one.
You're surprised JOB forgot about Day 1? >.> Or that he asked us to make cases so he didn't have to?
Yes Dan, as I've said three times now I didn't notice that particular rule, I saw 'votes' and 'unvotes' and my brain kind of skimmed over the rest.
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Also, I have to honestly ask at this point why JOB being here is important since not a single person has thought of him as being scum today.
Also, you did iirc :V
Not that I'd want him here if I thought he was scum
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Also, you did iirc :V
Not that I'd want him here if I thought he was scum
I want him here to say what he thinks.
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I'M HERE
what do you guys wantme to do? I don't think i really have thr time to read the last couple of pages. Also I want a votecount.
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tl;dr Zakeri is modkilled and he's town we're talking about No-Lynching or lynching someone.
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Serela (1) - Dormio
No Lynch (3) - Shadoweh, Serela, ActionDan L-1
Not Voting - JOB, Conq
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Job who do you think is scum?
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Well at first I wanted you here because I wanted to lynch Serela.
But a no lynch is possibly better at this stage.
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Thank you Dormio and Shadoweh.
Now if we lynch I would be content with lyching Shadoweh. I don't have enough time to read Serela to make a decision on that.
If we vote No-lynch, that would arguable be the safest option for town at this point, but I don't think the morale of all the players would be that high.
SO I VOTE FOR LYNCHING
##Unvote
##Vote:Shadoweh
Cut 2 times
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##Unvote
##Vote Shadoweh
I am okay with either lynch.
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I still think No lynch is better
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To be honest I would rather lynch Serela over Shadoweh given that Shadoweh has had a wagon sitting on her all day...actually I'm not sure how that should affect things >_>
Can you read Serela real quick? :V
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##Vote: Serela
Also Serela is really much much worse. >_>
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##Unvote
##Vote:Shadoweh
On second thought if both Dormio/Job want to lynch and someone dies.... that's one less vote
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##Vote: Shadoweh
Fuck it. Whatever
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Dude ugh no can we just no lynch instead of lynching Shadoweh.
It gives more time for you to SEE THE LIGHT OF WHO IS AND IS NOT SCUM.
Aka Shadoweh and me not being them.
If there's a cop they could totally claim tomorrow too (since LyLo(. Think about that. There could be a cop.
fffff nooooooo
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That's a hammer right?
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No I didn't unvote.
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:V
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@mod would like a deadline countdown please
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42 minutes.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Shadoweh
Eh. Why not. The reaction I was waiting for didn't come. :V
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Or we could sheep to JOB and lose, okay.
I can't even tell which of those votes were the scum quickhammers.
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WHAT YOU'RE TOWN!
DAMN
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I don't think the scum would quickhammer, honestly.
The game isn't over yet even if you're town.
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lolwut at Dan
You're buying that shit?
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Shadoweh has been lynched. She was a Vanilla Town
Zakeri was a Vanilla Town
You have 24 hours to send in your night actions.
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I'm terrible at telling trolls....
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Not sure if I'll be around for actual deadline, but all actions are in, so:
JOB the Vanilla Townie has died overnight.
Dormio, the Town Doctor, and Serela, a Vanilla Townie, die in the endgame to ActionDan and Conqueror, resulting in a Scum Win.
http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/Yf4vSMQ7xch Scum QT
http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/6tFLysNR5p4q Graveyard QT
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WELP.
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And here I was, thinking that Conq and Serela were the scums.
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Dormio, who did you end up protecting? :V
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Dan.
My thought process was something like "Fuck you all".
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How come my hot fiery truth from late day 1 got ignored? :<
Oh and doc soft claim was intentional until I figured out that it was questionable to protect a PR in this setup. :V
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So I protected scum on both nights. Two different scum.
Can I have a cop next game? :V
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D2: 12 hour BBQ in the rain -> Sleep -> Tired as hell from the BBQ -> Sleep -> Yay posting! -> Mild food poisoning -> Sleep -> Laptop almost explodes -> Sleep -> Laptop almost explodes again -> Day ends.
Somehow still post more than everyone bar Shadoweh. ???
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Why was I NK'ed at the end? Was it because I was basically thought to be townie by everyone? Or was it because it was a random NK that you hoped wouldn't be protected?
GG everyone. I never would have guessed Dan and Conq as scum (maybe Dan but it wasn't that strong).
Also if any of you have a problem with me then please do as Shadoweh did and say it to my face. I can't fix it if I don't know what's wrong.
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Or was it because it was a random NK that you hoped wouldn't be protected?
This, I believe.
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Oh yeah, and a lot of you guys are hypocrites. A lot of you accused me of sheeping, but what happened at the end of D2?
At least it was someone I thought was scum though.
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Conq and Dan were scum hammers.
I had been expressing desire to lynch Shadoweh all day.
???
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Oh this is over.
SO MUCH STRESS.
GOOD JOB CONQ WE SURVIVED
Silly Shadoweh, with her silly feelings.
Dormio was justified in voting you Day 2 imo. Schezo kill was because he was unlynchable. For the Job kill see the QT.
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We pretty much went hard buddy route. If Zak didn't get modkilled, we would have killed JOB, cuz.
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Also the stress of this game for me was quadrupled by Shadoweh expecting perfection from me. I always had to check if my :logic: held up EVERY FREAKING SENTENCE. I actually never lurked intentionally this game and was frustrated I didn't have more time to post (D1 was fine but D2 was bad from the get-go).
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If I was the doc I actually might have protected myself :V
Also how many of you guys would have still wanted to keep playing if there was a D3?
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I kinda shat bricks when Shadoweh came out with her color coded votecounts until I realized she couldn't pin anything on either one of us.
I said it in the QT, but If I was town this game I would have thought Shadoweh/Conq were scum (not neccessarily paired).
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I feel it would seem against your personality to protect yourself.
Mostly because I thought the thought of potentially confirming an innocent would override all other functions of your brain.
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Schezo and I died calling Conq scum.
WHY DO YOU NEVER LISTEN TO THE CONFIRMED TOWNIES?!
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If I were the Doc I would have tried to out-wifom the scum (which I was afraid of actually happening in this game) but most likely I would myself never protect myself. I dunno.
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It had no backing at all. When we Nked Schezo I wasn't even thinking about his scumreads... cuz they kindof didn't matter.
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@PX: You guys also died calling me scum :V
@Dan: Probably the only reason I wouldn't have protected myself would have been that I didn't think I was going to be much of a NK choice.
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NK on the last night was only based on trying to out-guess the doc; possibly considering who would be "confirmed" as town by the no-kill. Because the only way the day would continue was if everyone was still alive.
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Btw Shadoweh, I have the funny feeling Conq would have cleared Px if Conq was town. but Conq can tell you himself.
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I thought that the dicotomy was between Shadoweh/Selera vs. Conq/Dan with Dormio/Job as outsiders. Once Shadoweh got lynched things got tricky. :V Selera was obv protect but that's too risky for a doc. Considering what Dormio was thinking (Conq/Serela scum) my protect made sense too. (even if Dormio only thought Conq was scum).
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I never really thought that Serela would be the obvious protect :V
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I was right yay :]
I'm good at finding scum. I'm just really bad at making cases most of the time :getdown: That also hangs over into procrastinating at actually posting because I try and it's like "Eff I don't have anything to say... :C"
And how much worth is being able to catch the scums if you can't get people to pay attention to you?
I need to roll Cop or Vig.
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Selera you were scary because of your resilience. It was just too easy to make a case on you. (all most everything I said about you was bullshit because words just came out of my mouth without thinking).
I almost posted a giant image of CANDY after Shadoweh died to celebrate but after conq made a few posts after the hammer fell I realized there was a Doc and the game wasn't over.
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With the mindset huhwhat had, the fact that he didn't end the game straight away made me think there was a doc.
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It was pretty obvious when Zak was modkilled that
1) He was Town
2) There was a doctor
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Selera you were scary because of your resilience. It was just too easy to make a case on you. (all most everything I said about you was bullshit because words just came out of my mouth without thinking).
I couldn't defend myself because I literally hadn't said anything that was actually about someone's scumminess level and was backed up by reasoning, other then Zak who didn't exist for forever, so I wasn't really that surprised when people started wanting to lynch me and I wasn't sure if there was anything to do about it (I swear I tried to make a case on Conq because he was totes the scums. It just... didn't work out)
If I could fix my problem of EXPLANATIONS then I could be really really helpful! Or if I can get a powerrole that bypasses that :getdown:
Zak probably could have fixed the stuff I didn't like about him if he had posted more, but :c
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I honestly wasn't sure what Zak was doing this game.
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Zak being town was obvious to any townie after he was modkilled.
I said something about intentional WIFOM just to sound like a retarded townie. Shadoweh picked up on it just as planned :V
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Also half of the reason I wanted to kill Schezo was to deny Shadoweh info.
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@PX: You guys also died calling me scum :V
Which is why you were also scum.
I have stuff to say but I don't feel like bitching at people at the moment. Maybe later.
I think Zak should be carded for the modkill given his history with prods.
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Hey PX, is that really how you feel about me (talking about D1)?
Cut. I am the secret scum traitor :V
Oh and huhwhat, would you have actually ended the game if there was no doc?
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I would have let scum choose the player they wanted to kill to end the game first.
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I have stuff to say but I don't feel like bitching at people at the moment. Maybe later.
I think Zak should be carded for the modkill given his history with prods.
If you have stuff to say I feel like it's better to get it out now. I think we girly men are all man enough to handle it.
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Yeah get it out while it's still relevant or else it's going to be out of context in future.
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I'm still missing the middle step. Dan's explanation of why Conq was the towniest thing alive was what made me suspect him, it just sounded wrong. Isn't it great to figure that out after you're dead? -.- Conq was like a reputation hitman, Should have just answered Conq with GUT =D! Instead I was like "CONQ AND DAN ARE THE SCUM! AND THEY ARE SCUM BECAUSE... because... uh... they did.. scummy stuff.. somewhere." Silly scum being worried, you two shouldn't be allowed to form the hydra scumteam, it's scary how well you work together. Conq not having the realization about Zak and pushing the lynch was hugely scummy in the end. And I need to get some medication for my recurring Attack The Towniest Person problem. Basically everything Serela said applies to me.
JOB, I wonder if you realize Conqueror wanted to wait for you at the end of the day for reasons relating to how much you wanted to vote for me and how your impatience would make you unlikely to no-lynch? Though I wonder if people would have questioned why they were both still alive the next day. Patience is a virtue. One that I was sorely lacking after four days of being voted for being a witch. <_< I'm not as upset anymore, but I seriously hope you never say anything like 305 again.
PS Dan you were scum so I feel no shame in making you feel so pressured. ^.~
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What is "305" anyway?
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You realize if you piss me off I will just vote you.
It also occurs to me I tried to kill Dormio because he was a PR. My record of attempting to kill the most important townies stands unfaltered! :fail:
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Oh I see. That 305.
Yeah that was a thing.
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I said 305 because I was getting frustrated. I wouldn't normally say it.
And about the No-lynching vs Lynching. I seriously doubt that most of us would have been motivated enough to post in D3, and there weren't many posts anyway. It was much better to either have the game end there with a town lynch, or get a scum lynch.
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I am glad I decided not to join. Srsly you guys what happened here.
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I said 305 because I was getting frustrated. I wouldn't normally say it.
And about the No-lynching vs Lynching. I seriously doubt that most of us would have been motivated enough to post in D3, and there weren't many posts anyway. It was much better to either have the game end there with a town lynch, or get a scum lynch.
I assure you I would have made many posts. So would Serela. I assume Dormio would have died because he was the townest. So the only one who would have been unmotivated is you? It is never better to just get the game overwith instead of trying with all of your might.
At least this is what I kept telling myself every time I considered self-hammering.
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I think the amount of frustration within the game was enough to warrant an ending like that. Even huhwhat was tempted to end the game prematurely.
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Um no. That is NEVER a reason to not play to your win condition as best you can. There is NEVER a reason not to play to your win condition as best you can.
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There is NEVER a reason not to play to your win condition as best you can.
What if you're a chronic dick who hates himself?
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What if you're a chronic dick who hates himself?
Then at least have the decency to night sign up instead of ruining the game for everyone else.
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I was still playing towards my win condition. I thought Shadoweh was scum.
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O you Shadoweh! Ok, you have the right to feel no shame! I was scum! It was just. so hard to keep up.
The thing is that I honestly tried to play like obvtown this game (at least D1). So it's scary when you accuse me when town!me would think he is doing a good job of being Obvtown. Scum!me didn't pressure Conq to explain what he thought of Zak since he didn't do it when he could of and I wasn't about to ask in thread why :). Scum!me tried to give out a bold vote to look like a strong townie reaction. Scum!me quick hammered and was about to gloat before realizing that a Doc was in play (even though this was obvious to me earlier). Scum!me never explained the town read of Conq beyond what town!me would have said Day1 (notice NOTHING from me day2 on Conq and notice NOTHING on me by Conq). That's also why if you can, town reads should be explained in detail. Also I may or may not try hard next time I play. I don't wish to make my meta too telling anymore because to overcome that I have to try 10x as hard as scum or get outed immediately (others like Schezo/Px/Job/Serela can get off prety ez in comparison, more so than Zak/me/Shadoweh/Dormio, and somehow Conq is never noticed anyway until too late :V)
Btw, Dormio's cases and play were quite nice. The case on Zak was not too bad and the case on Shadoweh on D2 I could understand fully.
Best Play award would have to go to Dormio. MVP is Shadoweh.
As much as some people hated this game for various reasons, I enjoyed it. It is also my first win (1/3) as mafia. (And I like the Scumbag tag)
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Any particular reason for posting in an anon account?
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Best Play award would have to go to Dormio.
Because I am clearly the best doctor. :fail:
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You are the best pseudo cop :V
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Any particular reason for posting in an anon account?
I changed computers since I just got back from my chess tourny (3.5/6)
Didn't realize I was logged in as Alpha60.
It would have been better if it was from Gumshoe :V
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:V
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Actually, now that I think about it. Job have you read over past games before you became a reg. player? They're a pretty good read if you want to use meta effectively and just for different perspectives etc. I read or skimmed most of them now.
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Games are always more enjoyable when you win ActionDan. Town was fffffffffffffffffffffffff. Tip for Dormio and Shadoweh: don't dissect each other's posts and respond to each tidbit. It's better to just give general comments than dissect each and every sentence because nitpicking isn't conducive to friendly relations, flabbergastingly.
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It's not like there was anything else to do. :V
Whilst you jerks were celebrating Thanksgiving, I was making walls of text with Shadoweh.
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Games are always more enjoyable when you win ActionDan. Town was fffffffffffffffffffffffff. Tip for Dormio and Shadoweh: don't dissect each other's posts and respond to each tidbit. It's better to just give general comments than dissect each and every sentence because nitpicking isn't conducive to friendly relations, flabbergastingly.
It was conductive! It made me realize I was being stupid and Dormio was town so we should stop that.
Now if only Dormio could return the favor ;_;
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I don't normally rely on meta when it comes to making cases. The only reason I used it with Shadoweh was because she got Town MVP in her first game.
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It was conductive! It made me realize I was being stupid and Dormio was town so we should stop that.
Now if only Dormio could return the favor ;_;
This is why we should hydra.
NOW IF ONLY A SETUP WOULD LET US DO SO.
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Schezo's setup allows hydras. According to him.
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*Hack wheeze snort*
Did I say all hydras? I meant just the mentor ones. >.>
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Oh yeah :derp:
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I don't normally rely on meta when it comes to making cases. The only reason I used it with Shadoweh was because she got Town MVP in her first game.
The meta you used was 'You can do better then this'. That's not how meta works.
Besides, the only person who was doing better then me was NeoSerela. :P
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For about three days in a row, I've had a post reply box open with the phrase "I'm sorry for disappearing suddenly, I don't really have an excuse." But I could never get a single word past that. I never posted because, well, in a game of mafia, that's never really a post. When I got the prod, I sat myself down and set myself up to read through the entire game, which was only seven pages long I told myself... and then slept. for 7 hours. In the morning, after sleeping for 8 hours. I had slept on the day of my modkill for 16 hours including the break in between where I had breakfast.
My shame is so great. I was going to just post afterwards and pull my game out of the mod queue entirely, except I was too afraid to show my face. I'm still a little scared of just posting an apology, but I realize I need to at least say something, and this is all I can say.
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After you get a prod it's good to just make a post saying "I'm here."
I'm sure most of us would have accepted a post like that if it meant that you were still involved in the game.
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>:<
What on earth made you think posting nothing was better? You don't have to make huge, game-solving posts, you just have to get involved. Why on earth would you be scared to post in front of us all, we're all mafia playing townie friends! Except for those two scumbags. You need some lessons in spam posting a quicker style of play. It's not a very good apology if you're basically saying you made no effort and never will.
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I'm fairly certain it stems from having low-self esteem. Objectively, yeah, I should have just mashed the post button, even though It was literally adding nothing to scumhunting, and probably would have detracted from it, causing everyone to yell at me, and probably vote me when I know I'm town, and I still kind of thought Shadoweh was scum, but didn't want to push her anymore because I literally haven't gotten anything new, and I wanted to look Dan and Conq over which, in turn would mean she might have been right, and also not scum since they might have been scum, but I still needed to read the game before even commenting on any of this and-
Oh god, why do I hate myself so much? :ohdear:
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I think what you mean is, "I don't like playing Mafia".
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I'd still join your game Zak. :V
You gotta post though man.
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Doesn't everyone here hate mafia?
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Well we have that one person who's playing mafia through break so. :V
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R78l6ZOPy9o
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I'm fairly certain it stems from having low-self esteem. Objectively, yeah, I should have just mashed the post button, even though It was literally adding nothing to scumhunting, and probably would have detracted from it, causing everyone to yell at me, and probably vote me when I know I'm town, and I still kind of thought Shadoweh was scum, but didn't want to push her anymore because I literally haven't gotten anything new, and I wanted to look Dan and Conq over which, in turn would mean she might have been right, and also not scum since they might have been scum, but I still needed to read the game before even commenting on any of this and-
Oh god, why do I hate myself so much? :ohdear:
*Shadoweh hugs Zakky-chan* :<
See, that's what you're doing wrong. You're having those WIFOM discussions on the INSIDE, when you could be posting them on the OUTSIDE in the thread! :D Just like Serela! Being voted isn't as bad as being modkilled anyways.
You just worry too much. Post free-falling, take the plunges, and afterwards we'll all laugh and laugh together! :D *eye twitch*
I'm happy with this mafia break. Now if you'll excuse me I have to go post in mafia.
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HEY SHADOWEH IS IT N1 YET?
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*Shadoweh murders Dormio in cold blood*
Also, I found Day 2's theme song! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SDrqa-eTXU)
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Don't worry about it Zak man, a game like this is not actually as important as other things you're doing in your life (or worrying over). I don't know your circumstances but if you're sleeping that much 7 + 8 + 16 hours in the span of ~2 days then that sort of tells me (and I say this empathetically having experienced the same) you are not exactly happy for whatever reason(s) outside of our shared world of Mafia. Hopefully that e-hug Shadoweh gave you will allow you to pull through. :D
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@J.O.B: It looks to me like you haven't really learned much at all over the past few games, and to be blunt, I'm honestly surprised Pesco hasn't Lynched you given posts like #
315 305. You act like you want to learn but I don't think you actually try to do so, and this is something you definitely need to work on. Out of everyone I'm probably the most irritated with you, mainly because of observations made over time instead of frustrations from this game alone.
@Shadoweh: This game basically has me convinced that your methods of stating your reads as if they're facts (as in, stuff like "player is town because he is") just make people irritated with you and make them more likely to believe that you're scum. This is just as much your fault as it is theirs. I feel like what I said about LSD during Graveyard postgame (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg703781.html#msg703781) applies to you somewhat as well. There's a difference between having confidence in your reads and acting like you have to be in the right. The first of the two scares scum, the latter just makes people want to punch you over the internet and makes you a good scapegoat if scum can play on the town irritation toward you. Honestly, I was irritated with a lot of what Youmu/Myon said during Graveyard for similiar reasons, but never brought it up because A. I thought you and UK were in part doing it on purpose to piss off townies because you were scum and B. I totally forgot because I am a doofus.
Also, I have no idea if the mentality of "everyone voting me is clearly in the wrong" you seem to have is serious or not, but if it is, then it seems dangerous to me. Getting lynched should be a learning experience, and if you're blaming it on everyone else, then you're not gaining anything from your death.
@Serela: I've probably said this to you before, but you would benifit a lot from making sure your posts sound stable and that you've completed all your thoughts before you post. Otherwise stuff like the end of D2 happens. I can't blame you too much for this because I have the problem of posting before I finish a thought too sometimes, but it's still something where working on it would make people listen to you more IMO.
I forgot everything else I was going to say. :x Ultimately I'm not really mad at Zak right now even if I do believe he should have been carded. I hate the fact that I had to modkill but don't hate the person I modkilled, if that makes sense (though I was definitely irritated when I actually had to post about killing him). I was originally a little miffed at PX's fakerage toward JOB too but after talking with Pesco I feel it's probably more a problem of me interpreting things the wrong way (which I suppose everything else here might stem from as well, but oh well) than PX actually being a jerk. Though the way he went about the self-hammer was honestly a bit dickish, even though I didn't have a problem with the suicide itself given the circumstances. <_< Self-hammering in general is kind of unnecessarily spiteful, and badfeelings are never a good thing for town. We're supposed to be Friends Forever.
The seasonal break seems like a good thing to me. I definitely want to just stay away from MotK Mafiers from a while since I've obviously been getting too emotional for the past few games (this one and Psycho Prophecy).
Edit: I'm having trouble expressing most of my irritation with JOB properly, but I think the best way to put it would be that I feel everything he does comes off as selfish. Like, he doesn't really care what the other players think or whether he's helping his alignment so long as he's experiencing the game, which is probably why he doesn't seem to be learning at all.
That said, if there's one thing I've learned from playing Mafia lately, it's that I suck at reading into people's intentions sometimes, so this might just be the way I'm personally interpreting the words of you guys.
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Huhwhat, I pretty much agree with everything you said. That's also why I knew I could go after Shadoweh D2 after her first post with her reads.
It was fated after she said she wasn't "lynchable." You brought it on yourself silly townie!
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I'm honestly surprised Pesco hasn't Lynched you given posts like #315
But that's Shadoweh's post.
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Ergh, I forgot the number then.
It was basically the one where he said "if you make me mad I'll vote you just because".
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The infamous 305.
Bard, who did you think the scumteam was?
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Huhwhat, I pretty much agree with everything you said. That's also why I knew I could go after Shadoweh D2 after her first post with her reads.
It was fated after she said she wasn't "lynchable." You brought it on yourself silly townie!
I have no idea what combination of confidence and motivation makes me 'obviously town' like the last game. I've been told what I really need to work on is lying about how sure I am of things and leaving the unconfident sounding parts out. Which incidentally I completely failed to do right after that. I just knew that either I convinced everyone to follow me early or insert Day 2 would happen.
Oh god I really am turning into Pesco.
Huh what, you say that like I didn't try to make cases or explain myself. If it came across like I wasn't trying that's worse for me because I was and I have no idea how to communicate feelings to people. Or write cases that people will actually listen to or consider a case. I was hoping whatever worked for Duffman would kick in. And Youmu and Myon were scum, why would you listen to anything they had to say? :P
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Bard, who did you think the scumteam was?
Every single one of you tossers, but I was pretty sold on ActionDan X Zakeri at some point before the modkill. Then I thought it was Dormio X Shadoweh.
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What turning into me? You don't even use the stuff I taught you :V.
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When did Pesco start giving out private lessons?
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They're ~*private~*~ for a reason :V
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Pesco x Shadoweh OTP huh. The OTP bogmire grows more treacherous by the day.
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You guys throw around OTP so much that it's cheapened the sentiment.
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The only OTPs I recognise are Pesco x Shadowmeh, UK x UK and Dormio x Dormio's Dog.
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Dormio x Dormio's Dog.
I actually believe this is a viable but obviously overpowered hydra.
The cat on my lap tells me dogs are overrated and disagrees.
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The only Mafia OTPs I recognize came about in fanfiction form before 2010. Everything else is a cheap imitation wannabe poser.
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The only Mafia OTPs I recognize came about in fanfiction form before 2010. Everything else is a cheap imitation wannabe poser.
KilgaxPesco forever!
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@J.O.B: It looks to me like you haven't really learned much at all over the past few games, and to be blunt, I'm honestly surprised Pesco hasn't Lynched you given posts like #315 305. You act like you want to learn but I don't think you actually try to do so, and this is something you definitely need to work on. Out of everyone I'm probably the most irritated with you, mainly because of observations made over time instead of frustrations from this game alone.
Edit: I'm having trouble expressing most of my irritation with JOB properly, but I think the best way to put it would be that I feel everything he does comes off as selfish. Like, he doesn't really care what the other players think or whether he's helping his alignment so long as he's experiencing the game, which is probably why he doesn't seem to be learning at all.
I don't really think I've learnt too muh from the recent games either. I feel like I've gotten better. I actually feel like instead of learning new things, I've gotten better at things that I already know. In fact it might have been possible (though probably highly unlikely) that someone could have argued I'm scum because I was arguably sheeping less than normal. I certainly don't sheep as much now. I do try to learn but I guess maybe sometimes I get drowned in all the posts. The circumstances within this game were some of the worst (I actually started to get sick around the end of D2). I was only asking for a summary of some cases because I wasn't going to be on for long at that time. I was lucky when I woke up near D2 deadline that some people actually got me up to speed.
I don't try to be selfish mos of the time. Sometimes when I come across as really selfish in certain ways (like in my dwi post) and express anger towards other people, it could possibly mean I need a bit of a break. Sometimes I may not take into account the other people in my aligment (though it doesn't help that I don't really know anyone's alignment other than my own) but I still would try to make some decisions based around it. Last game for example, I took into account all of the roles to try and make a plan that could clear as many people as possible. I wouldn't have been able to do that if it was just me. The reason I may not appear to take notice of much other people when it comes to making stuff is because I don't actually know if I can trust them or not, because I have no idea what their alignment actually is.
I still need to learn how to handle my anger better, and I still need to learn from experience when it comes to mafia. I think most of everyone's problems with me should get better in time and so we should just wait and see.
Also I get my laptop charger fixed and then it dies on me completely :V. I had to order another charger 2 days ago. I was lucky I got it today.