Touhou: Awareness of Color Mafia. Day 3.

[Dorian White]

@Neko: OK, it seems that I hat the wrong impression of how a Miller claim was seen.
But who talks about ?revealing your role? all I wanted you was to outright say that you targeted, as I expected form town, and it would have saved us both a lot of trouble.
Also, as I said play style arguments was I talking about you. If you like ?one size fits all? cases to lynch the same people for the same old things over and over again fine. But I played enough drums solos on Dans turtle shell that I can tell that this isn't what I'm here for.

@Polaris: Your request for a claim is rejected. Any other questions?

@Raikaria: To say that there could be a second Miller in the game is ridiculous, and I personally think the crumb you see there is kinda stretched, especially since I don't see a reason why someone shouldn?t claim it right away.
Also, I didn't intended to ?shoo away all investigative roles?, I intended to shoo away all kind of roles.

To make things clear, I'll still show up as guilty upon investigation, that hasn't changed. And I don't want to be visited at night by anyone for additional reasons. I acted under the impression that the Millerclaim alone would do the trick but apparently was I wrong about that.

[Raikaria]

Raikaria, do you share a QT with NNR? A Scum QT?

First question: Yes
Second question: No.

Seeing as I'm being called out; I'll claim now.

I am Toyosatomimi no Miko. You MIGHT have noticed me crumbing this with me talking about listening to ten people. I am a neighbouriser. During Night 1 I can invite 2 people to my quicktopic [NNR and one other].

Each subsequent night I can invite one other person.

[Raikaria]

The 'precautions' I mentioned taking night 1 in relation to NNR's crumbs being; of course; inviting NNR [And the other person who shall remain undisclosed] to my quicktopic; since I had a far better town impression of NNR than Dorian.

[Serela]

normally I would outright agree with bard re:miller but since someone had already claimed miller, I can understand why someone wouldn't want to also claim it if they thought both might be legit for some reason- even if they didn't really intend it to be a counterclaim, it would still probably end in Dorian d1 lynch (also smothering d1 activity with roleshens)

@Raikaria: To say that there could be a second Miller in the game is ridiculous, and I personally think the crumb you see there is kinda stretched, especially since I don't see a reason why someone shouldn?t claim it right away.

B.See above
A.No, um, that's a pretty clear crumb, actually. Typoed ready into Red, said Mill in the next sentence (which is a very unusual word to use) and then said Remi avatar AND a miller at the end, which seems normally but also makes lots of sense as "you're remi I'm miller" or whatever, and is also kinda weird to think of someone saying otherwise.

also the part where this qt means nnr has most surely actually told Raikaria about it

urghghgh if I could hit the post button just once without getting cut over and over ;_;

[Raikaria]

To make things clear, I'll still show up as guilty upon investigation, that hasn't changed. And I don't want to be visited at night by anyone for additional reasons. I acted under the impression that the Millerclaim alone would do the trick but apparently was I wrong about that.

Considering you are being counter-claimed by NNR; who has claimed to me in full in my quicktopic, I would strongly suggest you fullclaim now.

And what part of NNR's crumb is farfetch'd? The intentional misspelling? The fact he specifically included 'milling' in his post? The fact he voted you for your miller claim? It's pretty darn obvious he was claiming miller.

[Dorian White]

I'm foreign, so I have to take you word on the crumb but still why not claiming it? I would never have gone through this capricious theater of hints and mind games if I had something like this in my hands.
But at least the QT explains what you meant with your plan couldn't fail if you are killed.

Also, I still don't feel like claiming.

[Raikaria]

Also, I still don't feel like claiming.

Suit yourself. I'm not in a position to give the damnation quite yet; I need to talk to NNR first on the matter since it also involves outing him.

But not only do I know that you are not a miller; Dorian, but I also have a pretty god idea of what role you might be instead.

[Dorian White]

Is that so? Now I'm curious how you could know that I'm not a Miller when my role pm says that I am?

[SB]

Dorian, it's going down to sub 24 hours and you're a wagon. You should probably claim anyway.

Raikaria should neighbourize me tonight because OC is cool.

[Dorian White]

I still don't see why, if you think I'm scum then my role, no matter what it is, wouldn't change that. The same goes if you think I'm town but that's not the point here.

[SB]

How does refusing to claim help town though?

[Raikaria]

One can easily be lying about the contents of their role PM Dorian.

But sure; hold off claiming. Don't protest when I get NNR's permission to reveal something that will get you on the highway to being lynched; and no-one believes your claim then because you kept refusing now.

[Bardiche]

The crumb information seemed like QT material.

I remember the last time a QT happened. I was excluded and Serela was intent on lynching me because they discussed it in the QT where I couldn't interfere. Then Dormio goofed a fake PR. And everyone'd tell me we won due to scum goofing up, and that all the effort I spent poring over things and arguing and triple-checking Dormio's posts was inconsequential and unimportant.

Bitter.

Dorian refusing to claim on account of stated grounds is Bad Play, not Scum Play. Threatening him to claim is Scummy.

[ActionDan]

As it stands there are two Miller claims.  One is scum.  Full claiming is required

[Serela]

Serela was intent on lynching me because they discussed it in the QT where I couldn't interfere.

that's not what happened ;_; I just reviewed your case on Dormio and Dormio's play itself, and then the case against... I think it was you, and I didn't agree with you ;_;

Anyway I'm -actually- leaving for work now so see you all later

[Bardiche]

that's not what happened ;_; I just reviewed your case on Dormio and Dormio's play itself, and then the case against... I think it was you, and I didn't agree with you ;_;

Anyway I'm -actually- leaving for work now so see you all later

The case against me made in a separate QT where I had no opportunity whatsoever to even respond to any of the points about it and about which I was left in the dark for most of the game because you were too busy having exclusive Scum QT access.

[Dorian White]

The only thing my role would expose would be the how things happen night one. The more important question about the why is already on the table. I may even claim that part if you really have to know, cause I'm getting tired of the capricious theater but the reason why I don't want any night visitors wasn't, isn't nor will it ever be your business, Period.

[Conqueror]

The only thing my role would expose would be the how things happen night one.

Well, this is fairly important actually. I think fullclaiming would be in your best interest here; if it comes down to a 1v1 between you and NNR, as far as I can tell no one has bought your case on NNR.

[Raikaria]

Then how about a middle ground?

What happens if someone visits you?

[Dorian White]

Fine, have it your way. I'm Seija Kijin with the ability to get the night action results from the player that I'm targeting.
Night one I picked NNR, mostly cause I suspected him and his RPing was the only hint to a role that I could find day one. Guess what I got, nothing more then the name of my own ability, how disappointing.
Any questions?

That depends which role it is. Geez, I'm telling you that I don't want to be visited by anyone so that you can't guess which role exactly shouldn't visit me aside from the cop.

[Conqueror]

So Miller night action result copier? I don't really get why it's bad for non-cop people to visit you in that case.

And you got just the name of the ability from the result? Are you sure?

[Conqueror]

Also, is that a fullclaim or a partial claim? Because if a fullclaim it seems rather sparse.

[Conqueror]

Also, your result would seem to indicate NNR town since what kind of scum would rolecop a claimed miller?

[Raikaria]

That is consistent with what NNR has told me at least. Although there is something you have not mentioned.

You did not just 'get' the result from NNR.

NNR got a blank result. You STOLE the information. It denied NNR the information from his role.

Stealing in information which other players gather and giving them blank results? Yeah. That's an exceedingly anti-town role.

[Raikaria]

Still waiting for NNR to return and confirm what I am saying. I can always call in the 3rd person to confirm this as well; and you'd have to be foolish to think I am putting the entire scumteam's necks on the table for a miller mislynch.

[ActionDan]

 :munch:

[Dorian White]

Yes, the name was the whole everything. And well, it's more like a result thief to be honest. The wording strongly implicates that I get the result instead of the player that I targeted.^^;
This has nothing to do with why don't want to be visit, as I said am I not going to tell you that.

So, with is out of the way, can someone tell me why should I fish for a role that I already know?

[ActionDan]

Computer won't be back till Friday gfdi.  Cost is 435.

... Also why can't people visit you.  Is nnr doomed to die or something?

[Raikaria]

And you are to explain how stealing someone else's result can possibly be pro-town? Copying I get; but stealing?

And he doesn't want people visiting him because he's scum.

[NekoNekoRex]

I didn't counterclaim right away because I wanted to be sure this isn't some setup shenanigans by CF7. Now that I'm more confident in Dorian being scum, I can now more publicly counterclaim the other Miller.

Also I can confirm that I share a QT with Raikaria [and one other], who I've put my trust in as Town.