*Gumshoe flexes his muscles in anticipation of a rather wordy post*
I'll answer crockers concerns first, so town has a clearer idea of where this new and improved two-headed but sexy orge of a man stands on teh issues.
I am in fundamental disagreement with Gumshoe's first serious post D1 where he votes Kyon scum. His Mai/Kyon bus theory is also plain wrong. That said, Gumshoes other posts responding to Whim and others look fine to me.
The point to be made here is that after reading D1, I don't see Kyon to be Scum, and I find myself justifying Kyon's D1 posts on a guteral level as town motivated. Let us take the ED1 Protoman/Mai/Monoe/Kyon/Comedian arguemen ts and put it all together. I very much admire the Comedian for trying to piece it all together in post #311. to quote,
Mai's #33 questioned whether your post quoting the mod had any town intent behind it. Monoe responded to Mai in her #47 by saying that she didn't see how your post could've had any anti-town purpose to it. Protoman's #53 attacked Monoe, and also indirectly cast doubt on you as he stated that he didn't see any pro-town purpose in your posts. Your #56 then attacked this post of Protoman's, solidifying your RVS vote into a serious one, as you mischaracterized his post as a chainsaw defense when its main purpose was expressing doubt of both you and Monoe.
I agree with the first two sentences in the quote above. I would only change "indirectly" to "directly" in the third. I do not agree completely with the 4th sentence. I think that while Protoman did not mention Mai, her statement declaring Kyon's Modquotes not pro-town and Monoe's defending "anti-town" behavior a grave offense. That was poor form of Protoman because modquotes imo are a null-tell. Protoman attacking Monoe for defending "anti-town" behavior whilst Monoe was only clearly questioning Mai on prodding Kyon for utilizing Modquotes seems like a major misrep. Kyon called Protoman on it but characterized it as a chainsaw defense of Mai. Hence the semantics problem that has plagued D1. In the end this OMGUS-y argument has been interpreted as Kyon attacking Protoman for attacking Monoe for defending Kyon's "anti-town" modquotes. It's a load of bullocks and has substituted the much simplier explanation:
"Protoman misreps Monoe" Done and Done. I don't blame either Kyon or the Comedian for the misunderstandings. (The discussion should have went the way of Protoman vs. Monoe, but this was ultimately dropped abruptly after
Protoman's #65)
I wish I had a little more time to get out all my thoughts. I'll elaborate later I guess, but for now,
light/kyon: I don't like either wagon, and I think this is a town/town wagon. However, if I'm forced to chose, I would chose light over Kyon.
Sailor Moon/Headless 4chan: I find Moon scummier than both light/Kyon, and I really don't like that last raging post. rereading D1, 4chans posts read town to me, again on a gutteral level.
I would rather spend what time I have left on Chitose, who I still regard as more scumlike than not. I'll remark on a few points from your
post #292.
what with Kyon still pushing that Comedian was being unreasonable when pretty much everyone disagreed with
You keep refering to this. To me, comedian's first content post
did seem unreasonable. I do not wish to be apart of "everyone". Kyon may not have explained himself well, but the feeling that Comedian's first content post was not accurate I do agree with: see above.
Lastly, why are you asking for me to pressure lurkers and calling my last vote non-telegraphed when the reasons for their lynch were so obvious throughout the day. I judge D1 voting targets by how useful they can be after N1 in drawing conclusions from bandwagon, and I found Prinny to be the least-desirable, due to obvious reasons. Better to raise the unseen against the more interesting targets, than things that everyone are raising.
So you chose Prinny because he was a bad lurker with the most interesting bandwagon, so that come D2, you could analyse the people on the bandwagon? First, I vote people based on scumminess period. I don't decide not to vote someone because they posted content D1. Secondly, if you think Kyon is the worst on the Bandwagon, I find it strange that all you can say about him is that 'he looks bad D1, but at least he's not a lurker like light'.
I asked you to Pressure
CATS because while he is a lurker, he was also the person you had your
vote on. Because otherwise it simply looks like you parked your vote, cheerleaded other wagons, and then switched when convienent.
Most importantly, my vote on Light was based on the fact that his Kyon vote was not well-thought out; reasons that could equally be applied to Kyon about how he switched to Prinny due to his active lurking can be applied to us as well, who switched to Prinny due to active lurking too. Also, he did not evaluate Kyon's earlier day one actions, which are an important part of his case (which I and others have raised so far). Things against CATS are pretty much still implicit in the environment.
First, Light never voted Kyon. I am happy that you admit that your prinny switch was scummy, and I am in agreement. As I have said Kyon's D1 actions seem town to me.
Anyway my case still stands and I would rather see your lynch than anyone else's.
