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Re: Keep reading the news!
« Reply #480 on: March 04, 2011, 10:03:26 PM »
CBS News reports that the ATF has been purposefully letting guns pour into Mexico, contributing to their body count in the hundreds every month, often times videotaping drug cartel members buying the weapons but never arresting them.

Why? In the hopes that all the dots would connect and they'd catch a really big fish. Oh but guess what - there are no really big fish; just hundreds of little ones. Whoopsies!

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Re: Keep reading the news!
« Reply #481 on: March 04, 2011, 11:39:37 PM »
That sort of thought process burns me up.  How is the capture of one big-time kingpin in any way superior to capturing as many as possible?  Yes, the apprehension of an Escobar level drug lord would make for fantastic news, but there isn't a single one at that level right now.  In fact, doesn't the current war in Mexico exist because there isn't a de facto #1 kingpin?  I'm not that up-to-date on the situation down there, but I know that even having a single arrest is better than having none.

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Re: Keep reading the news!
« Reply #482 on: March 05, 2011, 12:03:38 AM »
Not to mention that actually arresting the kingpin without being able to get all of his close underlings would result in one of them taking his place anyways.  :derp:
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Re: Keep reading the news!
« Reply #483 on: March 05, 2011, 12:12:02 AM »
The cynical part of me notes that even though thousands of Mexican nationals died, women and children among them, and a looooot of innocent people (though not all) included in that number, that fellow still didn't come forward until after one border patrol agent died. You have to break a few eggs to make an omelette, but only as long as the eggs are Mexicans and not Americans.

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This story does make me feel ill on a very deep level, though. Ugh.

That sort of thought process burns me up.  How is the capture of one big-time kingpin in any way superior to capturing as many as possible?  Yes, the apprehension of an Escobar level drug lord would make for fantastic news, but there isn't a single one at that level right now.  In fact, doesn't the current war in Mexico exist because there isn't a de facto #1 kingpin?  I'm not that up-to-date on the situation down there, but I know that even having a single arrest is better than having none.
Unfortunately, we (and by this I am referring to states everywhere, not just the US) are still infused with images of cartels and syndicates-- rigid, top-down enormous organizations-- and we are not accustomed to thinking of many, many small, flexible unchartable networks of intermediaries that illicit trade nowadays is all about (not just the drug trade, but all forms of illicit trade, such as money laundering, smuggling, human trafficking, what have you). Since the 1990s, with the rise of the internet and the fall of the Soviet Union-- when all those surplus arms we got during the Cold War started disappearing from national weapons stashes and started reappearing on the black market-- illicit trade has taken on a new, distinctive form. It's also a huge departure from the idea of organized crime cartels that we're still so hung up on. Trafficking networks these days are highly decentralized, and their participants are autonomous and self-sustaining. There is no crime kingpin to find at the top, only many, many small traffickers, decentralized and appearing to possess multiple leaders or no leaders at all.

The cartel model no longer applies, period. But as long as states' anti-trafficking strategy is based on that idea, those strategies will continue to fail, and more and more money will find its way into criminals' hands, and more and more innocent people are going to get caught in the crossfire.

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Re: Keep reading the news!
« Reply #484 on: March 05, 2011, 01:00:30 AM »
Really the US government public in general has a really really hard time of thinking people are capable of doing anything at all without someone telling them what to do.  You ever wonder how we can catch Al Quaida's #2 man so many times?  Well it's because they don't HAVE a number 2 man, they work in very weakly linked cells, but people can't seem to understand that.  Similarly it's why people can "anonymous" a group.  The very idea of a loosely linked organization of people who participate in (or hinder) acts with a sort of group consciousness seems to be alien to a lot of people.

So I really can't say I'm surprised.  I'd hoped for better during this administration though.

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Re: Keep reading the news!
« Reply #485 on: March 05, 2011, 05:11:54 AM »
What I find particularly abhorrent about this story is that the US has been putting a great deal of diplomatic and economic pressure on Mexico about the cartels, telling them to get their shit together and clean 'em out, while at the same time, they were holding the door open for the cartels while they bought carloads of guns and ammo in the US and brought them back across the border. So Mexico gets the combined attack of the US government punishing Mexico for not taking care of its social problems, while at the same time actively engaging in exacerbating those same social problems.

And as Ruro mentioned, the days of Medell?n and Cali are on the wane. There are no big time drug lords eluding capture from fashionably dressed Miami vice cops. Mexico is bleeding out from a massive, national gang war that the US is arming.

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Re: Keep reading the news!
« Reply #486 on: March 05, 2011, 05:25:50 AM »
Don't forget: in the American news it's still drug cartels fighting each other and it's referred to as "cartel violence" because cartels are fighting for supremacy!

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Re: Keep reading the news!
« Reply #487 on: March 05, 2011, 08:21:23 AM »
This makes me sick :(

At what point can you say that you don't love your country anymore? At what point are the ideals it was founded on simply not enough anymore? This is still such a wonderful place to live, but when people on top orchestrate things like this, it kind of removes the credibility....

I guess I liken it to my relationship with my mother. She has done so much for me and I love her, but sometimes her thought process and behavior is so intolerable that I can't wait to move away :( But I'm always going to love her, you know? But much of the time I just don't....LIKE her. It's sort of the same with how I view America.

But what am I going to do? Move to Canada? Can I do that and still make a difference? Part of me is disconnected and just wants to watch with fascination as everything falls apart.

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Re: Keep reading the news!
« Reply #488 on: March 05, 2011, 08:34:14 AM »
Governments are inherently corrupt because they are run by humans. :V

Re: Keep reading the news!
« Reply #489 on: March 05, 2011, 01:38:32 PM »
Governments are inherently corrupt because they are run by humans. :V

Robots don't seem to do any better.

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Re: Keep reading the news!
« Reply #490 on: March 05, 2011, 11:03:22 PM »
Robots don't seem to do any better.

This is racist propaganda perpetuated by the human supremacist government. Robots are treated like second-class citizens and they deserve their shot at leadership.

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Re: Keep reading the news!
« Reply #491 on: March 06, 2011, 12:08:05 AM »
http://journalofcosmology.com/Life100.html

Extraterrestial fossils found in an asteroid, for real this time.

We'll see how well it all holds together when everything gets published. I am excited but very skeptical. How seriously it's being taken, and the amount of scientists being called in to analyze the findings, means it is at least serious business.

I hope whatever we can learn from this will lead to progress.
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Re: Keep reading the news!
« Reply #492 on: March 08, 2011, 03:27:19 AM »
New crevasse found in Uncanny Valley.
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This specific model is called the Geminoid DK, and it comes from the same studio that gave us the robotic actress, Geminoid F. The DK is the first Geminoid model that's based on a non-Japanese person (in this case, Associate Professor Henrik Scharfe of Denmark's Aalborg University) and also the first bearded model (if you consider a goatee a beard, which in my full-bearded opinion is debatable).

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Re: Keep reading the news!
« Reply #493 on: March 08, 2011, 03:54:31 AM »
I was wondering what you were talking about.

Then it moved something other then it's eyes...

Re: Keep reading the news!
« Reply #494 on: March 08, 2011, 04:02:01 AM »
New crevasse found in Uncanny Valley.

They just keep getting more realistic by the year...  :o

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There was a short discussion about this in IRC earlier, and it hasn't been posted here yet, so... Snyder v. Phelps.

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Re: Keep reading the news!
« Reply #495 on: March 08, 2011, 05:02:14 AM »
There was a short discussion about this in IRC earlier, and it hasn't been posted here yet, so... Snyder v. Phelps.

I don't know a lot about the Supreme Court, but Alito is my favorite justice right now.

I don't like the Phelps bunch either, but I can't argue with the outcome of the decision.  This dispute is basically about picketing, which is the quintessential model of protected political speech--even if done toward a bad purpose.  Westboro's protests were carried out lawfully in public, and constituted speech on a matter of "public concern".  Courts tend to be very reluctant to even get near the First Amendment, and so they draw the category of "public concern" fairly broadly--in fact, being on the wrong side of a matter of "public concern" (which no one contests WBC is) doesn't disqualify you from First Amendment protection.  So long as the protest is lawfully carried out and no more than speech is involved, we have to take the racist protests with the Civil Rights Movement.

Quote from: Snyder v. Phelps, 131 S. Ct. 1207 (U.S. 2011)
Given that Westboro's speech was at a public place on a matter of public concern, that speech is entitled to ?special protection? under the First Amendment. Such speech cannot be restricted simply because it is upsetting or arouses contempt. ?If there is a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment, it is that the government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea itself offensive or disagreeable.? Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397, 414, 109 S.Ct. 2533, 105 L.Ed.2d 342 (1989). Indeed, ?the point of all speech protection ... is to shield just those choices of content that in someone's eyes are misguided, or even hurtful.? Hurley v. Irish-American Gay, Lesbian and Bisexual Group of Boston, Inc., 515 U.S. 557, 574, 115 S.Ct. 2338, 132 L.Ed.2d 487 (1995).

I know this looks a lot like giving judicial imprimatur to WBC's reprehensible activities, but the alternative is setting a very, very dangerous precedent.  Certainly there's a moral distinction between WBC and, say, pro-democracy protesters, but all the law sees in both cases is 1) public forum, 2) public concern, 3) no First Amendment exception*.  That is, WBC and other claimants of First Amendment protection are similarly situated for the purposes of our First Amendment tests, and thus must be treated equally under the law.  Personal feelings must give way to principle, which is how Brown v. Board got a unanimous vote.

* Snyder argued that the speech at issue wasn't really public, but that it had been basically forced upon him as a "captive audience".  Unfortunately, this exception is strictly limited to situations where the offending speech has been brute-forced into a private zone, such as your home.  Compare this quote from the opinion:
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In most circumstances, ?the Constitution does not permit the government to decide which types of otherwise protected speech are sufficiently offensive to require protection for the unwilling listener or viewer. Rather, ... the burden normally falls upon the viewer to avoid further bombardment of [his] sensibilities simply by averting [his] eyes.? Erznoznik v. Jacksonville, 422 U.S. 205, 210-211, 95 S.Ct. 2268, 45 L.Ed.2d 125 (1975) (internal quotation marks omitted).
With this quote from FCC v. Pacifica, a TV indecency case:
Quote from: F.C.C. v. Pacifica Found., 438 U.S. 726, 748-49, 98 S. Ct. 3026, 3040, 57 L. Ed. 2d 1073 (1978)
To say that one may avoid further offense by turning off the radio when he  *749 hears indecent language is like saying that the remedy for an assault is to run away after the first blow. One may hang up on an indecent phone call, but that option does not give the caller a constitutional immunity or avoid a harm that has already taken place.

Of course, some First Amendment exceptions operate even in a purely public space--for instance, restrictions on porn theaters.  In light of that, of Alito's arguments in dissent that WBC was less speaking on a public matter and more targeting the deceased in his private capacity, and of the likelihood that this holding will only embolden WBC in its reprehensible activities, I can definitely sympathize with Snyder.  But I don't think he has the better of the law.

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Re: Keep reading the news!
« Reply #496 on: March 08, 2011, 05:30:12 PM »
Remember those "Sprint is going to acquire T-Mobile" or "DT is going to buy Sprint" rumors? Well, here's another one, but this time, it seems, different...

Deutsche Telekom, Sprint Said to Discuss T-Mobile USA Deal

So how will this work? CDMA and GSM are indeed, incompatible, but given that the T-Mobile and Sprint merging rumor has been going on since 2008, you can mark it up as another baseless rumor.

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Re: Keep reading the news!
« Reply #497 on: March 09, 2011, 05:09:35 AM »
Federal Government shutdown averted for now... Surprised this wasn't mentioned.

All this talk of spending cuts, but neither party want's to talk about dealing with the big elephants sitting in the room known as Social Security, Military and Medicaid/Medicare.
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Re: Keep reading the news!
« Reply #498 on: March 09, 2011, 05:16:41 AM »
No one wants to talk about raising taxes either.  Despite the fact that the last 10 years have proved we're on the low end of the Laffer Curve.

Personally I also think the Social Security drain on the budget is overprojected, but that doesn't really matter.  Since neither side is gonna do anything but use it for talking points.

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Re: Keep reading the news!
« Reply #499 on: March 09, 2011, 09:06:46 AM »
They don't need to raise taxes, they just need to enforce the ones that already exist by closing all the bullshit corporate loopholes so they actually have to pay them.

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Re: Keep reading the news!
« Reply #500 on: March 09, 2011, 07:30:12 PM »
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41973373/ns/us_news-weird_news/
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Re: Keep reading the news!
« Reply #501 on: March 09, 2011, 08:07:14 PM »
I miss the new thread for each nose article "spam" we had going for a week or so >=(

edit: sorry, feeling loopy, I'll read an article here and post something more meaningful to fix that lol. gimmie time.

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DELAWARE, Ohio ? Police north of Columbus are trying to figure out how thousands of dollars in cash ended up along a highway.

wtf?! Whenever I goto the states, I'm dumbfounded by all the TRASH on the road, I d on't see money though. I don't know if it's a federal thing, or a state thing. But in Washington state, people just toss trash on the road and they have garbage trucks collect them I guess, but yeah. There's so much litter on the road that it's comical.

Does Ohio do that too? I can't imagine how cops would spot cash amongst the trash.
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Re: Keep reading the news!
« Reply #502 on: March 09, 2011, 08:09:43 PM »
I miss the new thread for each nose article "spam" we had going for a week or so >=(

edit: sorry, feeling loopy, I'll read an article here and post something more meaningful to fix that lol. gimmie time.
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Re: Keep reading the news!
« Reply #503 on: March 09, 2011, 08:24:12 PM »
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Re: Keep reading the news!
« Reply #504 on: March 09, 2011, 08:26:48 PM »
wtf?! Whenever I goto the states, I'm dumbfounded by all the TRASH on the road, I d on't see money though. I don't know if it's a federal thing, or a state thing. But in Washington state, people just toss trash on the road and they have garbage trucks collect them I guess, but yeah. There's so much litter on the road that it's comical.

Does Ohio do that too? I can't imagine how cops would spot cash amongst the trash.
uhhhh, in California you'd be fined if a cop ever caught you throwing shit out of your car.

People do it, but it's illegal, and there certainly isn't "so much that it's comical" here. What IS there is usually picked up by volunteers or people who have to do community service.

I don't get why people do that anyway. The next time you get out of your car will probably be at a gas station or rest stop; there will likely be a trash can within feet of your car. But I guess some people can't be arsed into doing what's right when it's easier to just dump their responsibilities out on nature.

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Re: Keep reading the news!
« Reply #505 on: March 09, 2011, 08:35:27 PM »
Edible yells at everyone. Just learn to ignore it.

Or eat him, and say "my big mouth wins bitch"

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uhhhh, in California you'd be fined if a cop ever caught you throwing shit out of your car.

I guess it's state law though. Have you been to washington state? Well I haven't been thru the whole state, just the highway leading from the Canadian border to Seattle. It's clearly acceptable behaviour to dump trash on the side of the road though. It's WEIRD. I mean, it was the #1 most shocking culture shock in my life to date >=p.

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Re: Keep reading the news!
« Reply #506 on: March 09, 2011, 09:01:50 PM »
Edible yells at everyone. Just learn to ignore it.
I was being mostly sarcastic.  Edible made a complaint that I was shitting up Renko's with my separate threads and I wasn't really married for or against it enough to care so I just let it go.


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Re: Keep reading the news!
« Reply #507 on: March 09, 2011, 09:42:03 PM »
Bwahaha, behold my complaints and despair! BV

I don't get why people do that anyway. The next time you get out of your car will probably be at a gas station or rest stop; there will likely be a trash can within feet of your car. But I guess some people can't be arsed into doing what's right when it's easier to just dump their responsibilities out on nature.

The same people who live in filth don't care where it ends up either.  Some people are just terminally sloppy.

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Re: Keep reading the news!
« Reply #508 on: March 09, 2011, 11:25:02 PM »
NPR falls into James O'Keefe's trap. CEO resigns.

You hear that? That's the sound of any leverage public media had left in this Fox-fueled country going up in smoke.  ::)

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Re: Keep reading the news!
« Reply #509 on: March 09, 2011, 11:56:00 PM »
NPR falls into James O'Keefe's trap. CEO resigns.

You hear that? That's the sound of any leverage public media had left in this Fox-fueled country going up in smoke.  ::)

James O'Keefe's ACORN "sting" proved to be a total fabrication on his part, mostly through video editing. This fuckhead has no credibility, but NPR has no spine for cowering before him.

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