Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia: DAY FIVE!

[FinnKaenbyou]

...Then again, I could have worded the offending sentence better if I had cared enough about looking town.

Which, well, Townies do care about, because if they don't they know they're likely to invoke a mislynch (i.e. themselves). Admittedly they want to hunt as well, but last I checked throwing out an 'I agree' does not qualify as hunting.

I can understand "Edible made a dumb vote" Being used as a reason this early in the game, even though my real reason was "Edible doing some role fishing". It seems like I'm the only one who picked up the last one, though.

Conveniently, this reason only emerged AFTER you were called out for blindly agreeing. T_T
And again, you're very keen to explain why you think Edible is scummy, and yet your evict vote is still on me for 'making sense' in my first post. Why?

Kefit:

I agree that picking a kind is second priority to picking an eviction - provided that we can actually pick an eviction!. People talked about setting up duels in himelander, yet we were often left with pluralities. The scattered eviction voting so far doesn't exactly fill me with confidence that this game will be any different. If we end up with pluralities - especially with multiple pluralities - then the choice of king might become quite important indeed.

This sounds awfully like how day 1 is supposed to go. People make choices and get held responsible for them later in the game. It starts off chaotic and all over the place but as the day goes on two or three cases take centre stage. Right now, we aren't treating the game like we're treated Himelander - the intention is to treat is as a normal game of Mafia until a favourite suspect emerges, and we then get the King to eliminate them.
And again, it doesn't really matter who's king, because we're basically just working our way around a mod rule that asks us to give absolute power to one player on Day 1 when we know absolutely nothing.

So, where's Sakana?

He's probably asleep by now (loltimezones) so it's kinda unfair to hold him to not posting when he isn't here. :V

[FinnKaenbyou]

EBWOP: Gah typos all over the place. This is what happens when I have some sort of panic attack at 3am in the morning, can't get back to sleep and then decide to post in Mafia.

treating the game like we treated Himelander

treat it as a normal game of Mafia

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Okay, uh, now that I think it over some more, I'm going to

##Evict: Zakeri

until he hands out an explanation for everything he's done so far that seems questionable (keeping his vote on Roukanken after he said he changed his mind in favor of Edible, making an "oh i agree post" which he later claimed it was also because of rolefishing that he never even mentioned until then). Plus I've already made a post about why I find him to be confusing so far, and aside from that, voting somebody for "making sense on their first post" is rather odd in the first place in a situation like this.


Evictcunt for convenience (or at least my own):
Kilgamayan (0): Roukanken
Sakana (0): Kilgamayan, huh what
Kefit (1): Sakana
Roukanken (2): Zakeri, Kefit
Zakeri (3): Bardiche, Roukanken, huh what
Bardiche (1): Edible
Jam (0): MakaiSouvenirBooth
huh what (0): Nietz
Edible (2): Pesco, Kilgamayan
MakaiSouvenirBooth (1): Nietz

[Kilgamayan]

Random musings.

Pressure on Zakeri looks dumb but not scummy. Typical Day 1 stuff here I guess. Nothing inherently wrong with supporting a lynch you're not actively voting for, since players don't normally have more than one vote.

Kefit pings me as odd for his talk about the importance of king election. His last line before the Roukan quote in particular looks like cheerleady filler. His Roukan case itself isn't terrible but there's something I really don't like about the tone of the whole post. Hard to articulate. Enough to earn an ##Unvote though. Shuffling down the list of not-me people with decision-making skills I trust leads to ##Vote: Nietz.

Sodium, why are you not voting to evict anyone?

Latest Evict count is missing Jam's pick of Edible.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Hurrr, didn't notice that.


Kilgamayan (0): Roukanken
Sakana (0): Kilgamayan, huh what
Kefit (1): Sakana
Roukanken (2): Zakeri, Kefit
Zakeri (3): Bardiche, Roukanken, huh what
Bardiche (1): Edible
Jam (0): MakaiSouvenirBooth
huh what (0): Nietz
Edible (3): Pesco, Kilgamayan, Jam
MakaiSouvenirBooth (1): Nietz

[Pesco]

@ Zak: Are you using my Mindhax^TM without actually calling it that?

[Dead Princess Sakana]

So, where's Sakana?

Sleeping because of the time-zone-differences. 
And still trying to figure out what to make of the things that have been said, I've gotta take it slowly for the start.

First of all #Unevict

Kefit: When you vote Rou for supposing the fake-votes, then what about Jam who proposed the same thing before him? Though I agree that it was Rou who practically enforced this strategy.

if I had cared enough about looking town.

I guess that is what Pesco is referring to?
I don't get what you're trying to get at there.
It looks like you're deliberately offering yourself up as a target.

I see both Edible and Zak suspicious at the moment, but there's not enough reason for me to narrow it down to those two. I'll wait until there's some more stuff to work with before I decide anything, both for the eviction and for the king.

[Pesco]

Sleeping because of the time-zone-differences. 

You couldn't have been sleeping while we were doing that with your cunt :V

I see both Edible and Zak suspicious at the moment, but there's not enough reason for me to narrow it down to those two. I'll wait until there's some more stuff to work with before I decide anything, both for the eviction and for the king.

What sort of more stuff are you waiting for? More stuff from Zak and Edible or more stuff from someone else to become a wagon? What prevents you from generating stuff?

Thy shalt not be king! ##Exile Sakana

[Dead Princess Sakana]

What sort of more stuff are you waiting for? More stuff from Zak and Edible or more stuff from someone else to become a wagon? What prevents you from generating stuff?

Thy shalt not be king! ##Exile Sakana

Seriously I don't wanna be king anyway. Exactly because I have no idea who to turst yet and who not.

About generating stuff, well, I don't wanna be obnoxious with always asking and never stating much else, but I guess it has to be done:

I asked a question to Zak already, I don't know where you're going other than against Edible.

Now for Edible, are you still content with your small case on Bard?
Or do you have something new on him to justify your decision?

[Kilgamayan]

If you're waiting on people you know you can trust, you're going to be waiting a while.

I'd also like to see an exile vote down from you, though you're a less pressing concern than Sodium.

[Kilgamayan]

Exile, evict, same thing.

[Pesco]

Being obnoxious is good play, apparently.

Exile and Evict aren't the same things, Kilga. Just using different words to denote my preferences.

[Dead Princess Sakana]

Ah yeah, I realized I was basically doing the same as Sodium. Asking without voting.

And yes, I know I can wait long for people to trust, but there should be enough time to at least fin dsomeone to trust a bit more than everyone else. Or so I hope.

As for eviction, I'll go with my current preference and

#Evict Edible

at least as long until I get some answers

[WHMZakeri]

Zakeri: Rou is scummier than Edible to you, right? if so, why? It just seems like you have better reasons to vote Edible from what you've said.

This, once again, operates under the assumption that just because I didn't make a new "Please kill this person" sign means that I'm pushing for an old case that is getting no reaction over one I just recently made.

Since we can't seem to transcend the idea of voting as oppose to just discussing cases:
##Unstabrepeatedthearustyspoon: Roukanken
##tiedtoagiantlogandsendsaidlogthroughanoldfashionedlumbermill: Edible

For huh what's clarification - the role fishing was my original reason, and I thought other people had caught it as well when I said I agreed. It wasn't until later just before I asked him about it that no one else seemed to be discussing it. I realize that basically means nothing since I can't prove I thought of it then.

About looking town: Yes, Town should care about looking like town, but as I said before in practice it's usually something that doesn't occur to townies because it's something that should logically follow from being town as a result of the definition of "Scumtells"
...Or maybe that's just me.

Being obnoxious is good play, apparently.

It only works if you're not known for being obnoxious, though.

Now that I think about it, how should we be handling Majority counts? Realize here that L-n means only exactly what we feel like it means, since our great Moddess has already decided not to even look at these votes.

[Edible]

Now for Edible, are you still content with your small case on Bard?

I'm content with my vote where it is for now.

[Edible]

EBWOP: My fake vote, not my real vote.  Zakeri and Jam's opportunistic behavior is worrisome, and my real vote's on Zakeri, so:

##unvote Zakeri

[FinnKaenbyou]

Exile and Evict aren't the same things, Kilga.

Mind explaining why, exactly?
Also GJ jumping on the new guy for making new guy mistakes. T_T
And it's Thou not Thy, damn thee

This, once again, operates under the assumption that just because I didn't make a new "Please kill this person" sign means that I'm pushing for an old case that is getting no reaction over one I just recently made.

Your case against me was 'OH NOES HE'S MAKING SENSE IN HIS FIRST POST!', and despite saying a good deal afterward about Edible you never bothered to bring me up again.
And voting generates discussion because it brings around pressure.

About looking town: Yes, Town should care about looking like town, but as I said before in practice it's usually something that doesn't occur to townies because it's something that should logically follow from being town as a result of the definition of "Scumtells"

If players who were Townie weren't capable of performing scummy actions, the game would be impossible for scum to win. Of course Town has to watch themselves.

...Or maybe that's just me.

Yes. Yes it is.

Now that I think about it, how should we be handling Majority counts? Realize here that L-n means only exactly what we feel like it means, since our great Moddess has already decided not to even look at these votes.

If someone gets to a majority, we're more or less done for the day because we've decided on who we want to lynch. We elect a king and they know who they're expected to evict based on the previous votecounts.

Edible ninja: Is there any possibility of you, uh, talking about anything else? >_>

[FinnKaenbyou]

EBWOP: Ninja'd by an opinion, which is better than nothing.

[Pesco]

[16:29] <Pesco> @dict exile
[16:29] <@Keine> Pesco: wn: exile n 1: voluntarily absent from home or country [syn: {expatriate}] 2: expelled from home or country by authority [syn: {deportee}] 3: the act of expelling a person from their native land; "men in exile dream of hope"; "his deportation to a penal colony"; "the expatriation of wealthy farmers"; "the sentence was one of transportation for life" [syn: {deportation}, {expatriation}, {transportation}] (1 more message)
[16:29] <@Keine> Pesco: v : expel from a country; "The poet was exiled because he signed a letter protesting the government's actions" [syn: {expatriate}, {deport}] [ant: {repatriate}]

[16:30] <Pesco> @dict evict
[16:30] <@Keine> Pesco: wn: evict v 1: expel or eject without recourse to legal process; "The landlord wanted to evict the tenants so he banged on the pipes every morning at 3 a.m." 2: expel from one's property or force to move out by a legal process; "The landlord evicted the tenants after they had not paid the rent for four months" [syn: {force out}]

You know how we have one vote? Generally we only have one evict, so if it's a different term, I can have an exile too .

New guys can roll scum too last I heard.

[FinnKaenbyou]

You know how we have one vote? Generally we only have one evict, so if it's a different term, I can have an exile too .

Was it so hard to just say that when Kilga asked you? T_T

New guys can roll scum too last I heard.

Does that mean we have to make D1 for every single game 'lynch the new guy'? I'd rather give Sakana a little time to figure out what the hell he's doing rather than put him to lynch for making the same mistakes pretty much everyone does on their first game.

[Dead Princess Sakana]

Does that mean we have to make D1 for every single game 'lynch the new guy'? I'd rather give Sakana a little time to figure out what the hell he's doing rather than put him to lynch for making the same mistakes pretty much everyone does on their first game.

Eh? Did I miss something? As much as I appreciate your concern, Rou, I don't feel like I am even being close to a lynch or like anyone is trying to lynch me. And if it should come to it, well, so be it.

If anything, it rather felt like Pesco was trying to push me a bit, so that I'll try to play actively.

[Pesco]

Kilga never asked me, you did.

[Sodium]

Oh, right, Sakana is in Europe. Alright then.

Kilga: I'd rather not end up making a half-assed vote because I couldn't concentrate.

Zak: Generally, people vote for the person they find the scummiest and the person they want dead the most, so I was just asking for clarification on who you found scummier. I was asking what your reason was for voting Rou over Edible when you seemed to have more reason to vote for Edible, not why you were pushing a Rou case.

##Evict Zakeri
I don't really like how he responded to my question. It should be reasonable to assume that when you have cases on two people, and are voting one person over the other, that the one you're voting is the person you want to die more(pushing one case over the other, although), and Zak never did say why he was voting Rou over Edible either. Also, post 65 was pretty bad, and a lot of his posts after words was explaining post 65.

[UncertainJakutten]

Spoiler:

The Third "Kentai Life Returns KINGMAKER" Vote Count

"Suzumiya Haruhi and I are not ordinary humans"

Mod Note: Aww, the votecount changed. I was gonna post the same exact votecount if you all hadn't changed the King votes.

1. Jam(0)
2. Nietz (1): Kilgamayan
3. Kefit (1):  Kefit
4. Kilgamayan (0)
5. Pesco (0)
6. MSB (0)
7. Edible (0)
8. Bardiche (0)
9. huh what (0)
10. Sakana (0)
11. Roukanken (0)
12. Zakeri (0)


Not Voting (10): Jam, Nietz, Pesco, MSB,  Bardiche, huh what, Sakana, Roukanken, Zakeri, Edible


With 12 alive it takes 7 to elect your lord and master (for the day)
Deadline is in ~57 hours at 10 PM EST, Saturday, March 20th

[Pesco]

Hey wait! Kilga said he went down the list, but Neitz is up from Kefit!

OMG YOU SCUM11eleven

##Vote Kilga

Spoiler:

That's a vote for king, yanno?

[Pesco]

See any EBWOP? I thought the mod didn't care about players if they might have made a screwup.

That's a serious vote for king.

Spoiler:

Some things I care about. Your evict count isn't one of them. Votes I have to count I do care about

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

For huh what's clarification - the role fishing was my original reason, and I thought other people had caught it as well when I said I agreed. It wasn't until later just before I asked him about it that no one else seemed to be discussing it. I realize that basically means nothing since I can't prove I thought of it then.

M'k then. Did you have any other reasons for prioritizing Rou over Edible until now, though?

Evictcunt:
Kilgamayan (0): Roukanken
Sakana (1): Kilgamayan, huh what, Pesco
Kefit (1): Sakana
Roukanken (1): Zakeri, Kefit
Zakeri (4): Bardiche, Roukanken, huh what, MakaiSouvenirBooth
Bardiche (1): Edible
Jam (0): MakaiSouvenirBooth
huh what (0): Nietz
Edible (4): Pesco, Kilgamayan, Jam, Sakana, Zakeri
MakaiSouvenirBooth (1): Nietz

Probably missed something on the count. If I did, please point it out.

[Pesco]

I'm still for Evicting Edible. Exile is my second vote that I made up myself.

[Nietz]

Repeating someoneelse & stating the obvious = not saying anything of use
how about you evict someone? = "not voting"
And huh what didn't do any of these, so I was wondering why you were evicting him.

Fair enough, I guess those could indeed mean the same thing. It still remains suspicious to me, but I admit it could be an innocent mix-up.

As for huh what, in #39 he was simply repeating the point Jam and Rou had just made. Plus he had to be prompted by you before actually giving opinions, and that doesn't look too good either.

Now, reading at Edible vs Bard, I agree that Bard's jokes were somewhat inappropriate. But Edible was grossly overreacting to it, which smells like graping for believable reasons for mislynch. Right now I agree with him as a target.
##Unevict
##Evict Edible

As for Zak, I'm not sure. He's clearly being anti-town with that smartass attitude, but I wouldn't say he looks too scummy.

And for King, it doesn't really matter, I'll vote for whoever takes the lead.

[Edible]

<Neitz> "I agree that Edible's analysis of the situation was somewhat correct, but HOW DARE HE THROW A FAKE VOTE ON SOMEONE IN EARLY DAY 1!  THAT'S GROSSLY OVERREACTING!"

Haha.