[GG, Bard loses] Free! Mafia

[Kilgamayan]

I did go back and look for the post in question. In fact, I did so before asking you about where it was! Assuming you're referring to this DNA post being a response to this post from you, then I'd point out that DNA's question toward you wasn't in response to that picture at all, but obviously in response to you not voting for yourself. Which is actually a legitimate thing to respond to seriously, so I wouldn't say it's indicative of a penchant to take everything seriously as you implied it was.

If you're looking for me to admit that my DNA case isn't a slam-dunk case, then here you go, it's not a slam-dunk case by any stretch. As far as I'm concerned, though, it's good enough for a secondary Day 1 suspicion.

[Shalako]

you are simply inventing things in response to my posts

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[Patorikku]

Guh, I feel like there's nothing of substance I can offer right now. Looking over the Kilga v Shalako posts right now.

How does things like this help us catch scum?

I think the mentality that Rai's referring to is just a sort of "invincibility" tag that we choose to give to one person until they slip horribly and everyone starts thinking they're scum. As far as I've ventured, I think it's safe to say that whoever we vote as team captain can either:
a) be used as a scapegoat around endgame by scum, via never NKing them and leaving crumbs that falsely make the captain out to be scum
b) end up being scum that's making use of that "invincibility" tag somehow, though I can't figure any amazing reasoning on this point, beyond slipping out of the way of lynches for a couple days, or
c) be the first or second NK, in order to throw town into disarray.
I can see c) only being the case if the leader we vote ends up being a credible threat to scum during the early game and putting together strong reads on either or both scum candidates. Basically, we're just looking at telling one of us "hey, you're not getting lynched for a couple days, and we trust you a bit more than everyone else." At least, that's what I make of this captain business.

I know it's a rhetorical question, but I thought I might as well sum up how this whole scenario looks from my perspective.

[Serela]

I think that's kind of assigning more value to the team captain than we have any reason to believe it's worth :S

I'm not really saying much but it's kind of awkward because we're not actually lynching anyone today, so? Discussion is somewhat awkward apart from the cute Kilga/Shalako slapfight. Maybe I should start talking in terms of who I'll be interested in lynching tomorrow? ...but, since there's not much discussion on scumminess, it's hard to evaluate anyone other than Kilga/Shalako, again. And when those two are just in a vacuum with eachother there isn't a lot to glean. :T

whatever I'm going to bed

[Shalako]

I know it's a rhetorical question, but I thought I might as well sum up how this whole scenario looks from my perspective.

Yea, my point is that doing that (set-up analysis) was compounded by a lack of behavior analysis.
That's what pinged Raki on my radar not disagreeing with his analysis or him even doing set-up analysis.
Like I'm not concerned about you doing it because you are concerned with things beyond just analysis.
Make sense?

I think that's kind of assigning more value to the team captain than we have any reason to believe it's worth :S

Agreed

Discussion is somewhat awkward

Action dan please, I need more info about the meta here.

[Shalako]

Kilga/Shalako slapfight.

Are you on the side of the guy who wants to lynch people for posting a lot and other people for posting a large amount?

[Serela]

I didn't go to bed yet because I am naughty :C but my contacts are in now so I actually am crawling in bed after this post

Are you on the side of the guy who wants to lynch people for posting a lot and other people for posting a large amount?

I think this is a bit of a cherrypicker way to put it! It's not like I think you're scum, in any case, so I don't really need to be on a "side" (although technically I AM voting kilgamayan for prez 2015, I suppose, but I don't really have any townreads to rather wish to throw it at)

[DNAbc]

Regarding Kilgs argument, Rei Ryugazaki wants to point out that the meat of Kilgs argument basically hinges upon a major slippery slope. Scum must respond seriously in early game->DNA is responding seriously->DNA is scum,  which isn't exactly true. However, my major purpose in this broadcast only aims to address your second premise. Since for the 'scum must respond seriously' argument, I feel that is only a scumhunt logic which will become more or less valid depending on how the game unfolds. So thats less of a concern here.

Alright, so back on subject, you are basically accusing me for responding too seriously, when in fact I am not. My intent that I am fooling around and having fun should be obvious if you would reread my posts, I am just naturally wordy.

I am also kind of unsettled by how enthusiastic Shalako is at defending me and tunneling Kilga on D1 that it seems excessive. While I don't in particular agree with CF7's apathetic attitude towards the election, I can sympathize with it since it can be explained reasonably depending on his judgement of the value of the TC. But there's just so much conviction in Shalakos posting over a relatively minor issue (Kilg attacking me for too much effort) it almost seems like he has other reasons for that, or that's the vibe I am getting.

Serela, question! Why in particular made you want to vote Kilg over me?

Raitaki still a shining beacon of towness, looking great.

[Bardiche]

VOTE COUNT

CF7 (0): CF7
Rei Ryugazaki (3): Rei Ryugazaki, Shalako, ActionDan, Nagisa Hazuki, Raitaki, Raitaki
Kilga (3): Kilga, Serela, CF7
Serela (1): ActionDan
Raitaki (0): Raitaki

Undecided (1): Shalako

With 8 votes in play, it takes 5 to elect a team captain! 1 Day and 3 Hours remain to make a decision. If the Day ends without a hammer, highest amount of votes wins by default.

[CF7]

Please expand upon this point.

Well, the player who is elected as a TC might get a free pass, due to people trusting said person a bit more and they might overlook something slightly scummy, which under normal circumstances would make the TC look more scummy. Still it's too early for that, anyway.

@ Rei.
I think TC is just too much work to really make effort of becoming one.

Some thoughts.

Kilga/Shalako/Rei little spat is kind of interesting. Shalako's chainsaw defense of Rei is notable, but it seems there was some heavy misunderstanding. I don't believe in Shalako/Rei scum pair right now, but i'll reexamine that possibility in the future. That said, i think that there might be one of the scums here. Maybe even Kilga =)

Serela, Raitaki and... Nagisa are here and there's some content, some explaining, and overall they participated in discussion. I think the second scum is here.

Also have no idea what to think about Dan. He's kind of not here, but that's his more or less normal behavior. On other hand, it makes him really hard to read. Will probably need more info.

Also we have roughly one day left and i don't think opinions will change much. But, actually you all can vote for me and i'll make all our lives better. =)

[DNAbc]

Actually, a more concise summarization of my opinions on the current going ons after the ensuing Kilg v Shalako are basically;

Kilg disputes the intent of my effort, and seems too keen about it for a D1 case, I feel that its a bit misguided though since 'effort=scum' is a very meta heavy case, which is a especially weak for D1 when alot of stuff is yet to set in stone, and then Kilg just somehow backed off a bit by stating his case was 'good enough for a secondary suspicion', which begs the question, who's your primary suspect, and why?

Pretty sure Shalako isn't pulling a chainsaw defense? He's just hard defending me by arguing 'posting alot is what DNA does all the time' versus when Kilgs point is 'DNA has too much words', since I am pretty sure Kilgs too much words and Shalakos too many posts don't mean the same thing, they are basically debating on parallels here. I do find Shalako again overly pushy though. Is that like a scumtell for him?

CF7 and Serela are both atm very average disinterested players voters, moving on

Raitaki and Nagisa I could listen to all day, their logic are pretty sound, but Nagisa is admittedly more sheeping or further reorganizing the arguments laid out instead of extrapolating and outputting new content which is what Raitaki did, both are great early townreads though

I sometimes have no idea why Dan signed up if he isn't playing, like, even if I assume bard gave you a crappy post restriction, at least quote sth and try to tell us that since you've shown you can do that

[Patorikku]

I guess I'll just put down my reads thus far; there's nothing else I feel I can add in right now.

I'm suspicious of Kilg, but not enough to say he's scum yet. I get the general gist of his thinking in his argument with Shalako, but I don't fully agree with it, particularly around his rebuttal to Rei-chan's first argument. Serela was doing the exact same thing with his fakeclaim last game, and while he seemed scummy throughout that game, the same logic applied there as with Rei-chan's apparent attention grab. Serela may have had crappy play that game, but the timing of his fakeclaim wasn't very scummy. It's a null point. Not to mention RP fluff. It was a decent point to at least start up conversation for ED1, but I just generally don't agree with it. Keeping an eye on Kilg for now.

Shalako's play thus far is much easier to read and understand than last game, so I'm feeling a bit more of a town vibe, if only for that much. Then again, he only really got difficult to read over when Rei-chan started up the wagon on him D2, so it's a moot point. Townlean for now, though.

I trust Rei-chan thus far. CF7 made a good analogy to reading a legal document, but I don't see any big problems with his logic as of yet. I'd rather have him hold the TC flag if we're to run on the current "player behaviour" logic we've ranted on. My only question though is why you've got a townread on me with what little information I've been able to bring to the table? It's as you said: mosty of what I've been doing is sheeping and reorganizing arguments, and I haven't put any new arguments out there as of yet. Heck, I'd argue that, up until this post and perhaps even including it, I've kept to a very passive style of play, which is more null as far as alignment goes.

Serela's laissez-faire attitude toward all this bothers me a bit. There's not a lot to run on from what he's been posting thus far, but I know last game, there was mention of him having a poor D1 meta. Hoping to see some improvement when D2 rolls around.

Raitaki's cool. I get his thinking, and while I've made my point on why popular opinion may not be a wise route to go, I feel I'm on the same wavelength on most every point he's presented beyond that, and my gut's giving me a townread thus far.

While I don't feel CF7's behaviour is as lackluster as Serela's, I do want to hear a bit more from him. Something that gives me a bit better an idea of who he thinks is scum beyond "one scum in the fight, one on the sidelines."

Dan, PLEASE POST AND GIVE US SOMETHING TO WORK WITH! Like, if you have some weird quote role that restricts your amount of participation, please quote this section of my message so we at least know that much, because I know your meta involves a lot of lurking, (which is irritating in itself) but it gives us nothing to work off of, and town suffers for it.

[Kilgamayan]

Rei Ryugazaki wants to point out that the meat of Kilgs argument basically hinges upon a major slippery slope. Scum must respond seriously in early game->DNA is responding seriously->DNA is scum,  which isn't exactly true.

You're right, it's hardly a guarantee. I even admit as much myself when I said town is "less likely" to behave this way. I don't know why you would equate "town is less likely" to "scum must".

Alright, so back on subject, you are basically accusing me for responding too seriously, when in fact I am not. My intent that I am fooling around and having fun should be obvious if you would reread my posts, I am just naturally wordy.

It's actually not obvious at all! It came immediately after two pretty clearly serious comments (first to CF7, second to Serela and Shalako), so even with the over-the-top-ness of the sentence that followed it still very much looks like a serious response.

which begs the question, who's your primary suspect, and why?

Would think the answer to this would be obvious to someone that's reading my posts. (Hint: It's Shalako) The obviousness is exacerbated by the fact that I've not really talked about anyone else - mostly since a number of people have done very little worth commenting on! - so who else could the primary suspicion possibly be?

Speaking of other people, not to napalm my own fanbase or anything, but I'm  mildly concerned with Serela spending the game more or less following me around like a dog, as well as CF7 spending a fair number of words to not really say anything meaningful. I would like to see more opinions from both (unique opinions from the former, substantial opinions from the latter).

[Bardiche]

POOL PARTY VOTE COUNT
Mod request: Please assume the party escort position!

CF7 (0): CF7
Rei Ryugazaki (3): Rei Ryugazaki, Shalako, ActionDan, Nagisa Hazuki, Raitaki, Raitaki
Kilga (3): Kilga, Serela, CF7
Serela (1): ActionDan
Raitaki (0): Raitaki

Undecided (1): Shalako

With 8 votes in play, it takes 5 to elect a team captain! Less than 13 hours remain to be voting! If the Day ends without a hammer, highest amount of votes wins by default. Exciting!

[Shalako]

Vote Rei Ryugazaki some stuff to go over when I have time but just checking in because no sure if able to before deadline

[DNAbc]

Okay, to keep things manageable and understandable;

Intent analysis, to me, is more important than content analysis, especially at such an early point of the game, when only arbitrary clears can be reasonably passed around. As such, even though Nagisa wasn't having lots of fresh content, I think I can get behind simply finding RVS tiresome, and his explanation has a strong vibe of someone intent of solving the game instead of just trying to get a free pass, his further questioning only served to strengthen that view. I am townclearing Raitaki for generally the same reason, hes keen on analyzing the potential effect of the TC at an angle I feel that scum will not feel inclined to bring up because of how unecessary it is as scum wouldn't need to clarify the gamestate.

The same reason is why that I am rather dubious on Shalako's alignment. I feel that he's too eager to attack Kilg for his stated reasons. Meanwhile I feel that Kilg is just making a genuine attempt to get us out of RVS and even though we can agree to disagree, I feel that he's giving off generally towny vibes. The same goes for CF7, he's apathetic, but his sentiments are genuine enough I believe I can overlook them atm.

At the moment, I feel that Serela is just skimming the thread and is the nullest thing aside from Dan, but given how this D1 seems to have some very nice interaction amongst players, speaking in relative terms thats pretty scummy. But if I am choosing a lynch between them I still probably will want to advocate for a policy lynch Dan tomorrow first though, given if he doesn't improve.

Kilg's response is also very interesting, for his scumreads all seem rather reactionary and tunnelish. Firstly, he extends his RVS scumread on me and further solidfies its status as a 'serious vote', then he names Shalako as his primary suspect apparently because 'hes the only one attacking me', which all seems pretty OMGUS for me. He's also had some fringe interaction with other people though, but doesn't really go beyond engaging them for much of the juicy content they brought out (such as Raitakis, Nagisa and CF's), but is instead handwaving most of them and telling them to 'output more substantial content', which should only apply to Serela, not CF7. So overall scum lean I suppose.

Also, agree with Kilg on the part concerning Serela, output more substantial content pls

[Kilgamayan]

then he names Shalako as his primary suspect apparently because 'hes the only one attacking me', which all seems pretty OMGUS for me

What? No. Shalako is scum for (a) defending you so hard early on when Town Shalako would have no idea what your alignment is, and (b) making stuff up in response to my posts, like the "posting too much" thing (whose explanation was not very satisfying, before anyone asks), the "responded seriously to a manga image" thing (and then responded with venom when asked to point out this non-existent response instead of actually pointing out the response), and then most recently this, which is a very inaccurate assessment of the reasons for my suspicions.

He's also had some fringe interaction with other people though, but doesn't really go beyond engaging them for much of the juicy content they brought out (such as Raitakis, Nagisa and CF's), but is instead handwaving most of them

I'm not talking about everyone on Day 1, that's a waste of time. Frankly I think I've already posted too much today.

telling them to 'output more substantial content', which should only apply to Serela, not CF7

Go back and read that CF7 post I linked. Really read it. Then come back and tell me who CF7 thinks is scum and who CF7 thinks is town. Here's a hint: You won't be able to, because there's no indication of suspicions beyond "probably one scum in this group of three, probably the other scum in this other group of three, no idea about the seventh guy".

[DNAbc]

So upon rereading my post, I realized I wasn't being clear on how I am 'having townish vibes' from Kilg but still drawing the conclusion that Kilg is 'overall scum lean' for me in the same post, since I feel that can be easily misinterpreted as me being contradictory, I want to clarify it a bit here;

From the Kilg vs Shalako, Kilg came off as townish in his push for me, because at the time it was RVS and even though his push seems rather weak, I had to agree with him as indeed it was  'good enough for a D1 scumread'.

However, his followup posts to set Shalako as his primary scumread and justifying the 'D1 scumread' on me seems forced, and I don't particularly agree with his attempt to handwave CF7's content when CF7 seems to have rather genuine sentiments on the game. I feel that his PoE based on player is an acceptable analysis (although I don't necessarily agree with that), and he has cleared declared his disinterest in the voting process. So overall, I am getting the feeling of a competent player who, while able to spot out intent such as he demonstrated in this post;

I did go back and look for the post in question. In fact, I did so before asking you about where it was! Assuming you're referring to this DNA post being a response to this post from you, then I'd point out that DNA's question toward you wasn't in response to that picture at all, but obviously in response to you not voting for yourself. Which is actually a legitimate thing to respond to seriously, so I wouldn't say it's indicative of a penchant to take everything seriously as you implied it was.

If you're looking for me to admit that my DNA case isn't a slam-dunk case, then here you go, it's not a slam-dunk case by any stretch. As far as I'm concerned, though, it's good enough for a secondary Day 1 suspicion.

Kilg is however holding his hand and attacking weaker players for the sake of it, so I feel that its rather dubious, thus overall a scum lean to me.

cut by 1

[Raitaki]

Okay, why are townreads already being thrown everywhere? The first actual lynch is a whole 2 phases away and not all of us have even started to really scumhunt yet, so I'm kind of baffled people are already leaking a list of people scum should shoot. It's one thing to declare townreads when the lynch pool is limited or if your townread is at risk of being lynched, but this current timing is pretty unwise.

Suspending judgment on Shalako for now. His repeated attempts to attack Kilga while describing his actions in a scummy light look pretty suspicious, but his little interactions with other players are okay in my opinion. Like, compare to last game where a lot of Shalako's interactions with people who weren't his scumreads were just minor lines of questioning he never picked up again or just asking people to explain their reads. This time I think his questions are more...consequential and directed at finding scum/prodding people to scumhunt. tl;dr Shalako's posts so far seemed to have a bigger focus on scumhunting than his scum posts last game.

Not really following CF7's train of thought. Why do you think the second scum is among me/Serela/Nagisa, and not Dan? Your latest post implies that you don't think Dan is scum for some reason. And while I would kind of understand if CF7 has no idea who's likely to be scum at this point, it seems pretty lazy to say "I think scum is among these specific people!" and then make zero effort whatsoever to at least rank them by scumminess or even saying anything about them as individuals at all. It's like he put people in 2 groups and pointed at them and say "aha! This is scum #1! And this is scum #2!" then just left it like that as if he actually put in any effort to find scum at all. Leaning scum.

I get that there's not much going on for a D1 that should be already out of RVS, but it'd still be nice if Serela at least mentions anything she finds weird ; v; It's not a lynch day so I doubt people would judge you much if you can't decide if these weird things are scummy or null yet, so.

cut by 2 I haven't read cuz dinner

[Raitaki]

goddamnit kilga now i look like i'm sheeping ;_;

[Shalako]

tI think this is a bit of a cherrypicker way to put it!

Totally, but why fence sit on what you think of me randomly instead of answering it?
I don't care what people think of me and it's not what I asked you.

I am also kind of unsettled by how enthusiastic Shalako is at defending me and tunneling Kilga on D1 that it seems excessive.  But there's just so much conviction in Shalakos posting over a relatively minor issue (Kilg attacking me for too much effort) it almost seems like he has other reasons for that, or that's the vibe I am getting.

It's pretty clear that Kilg is starting from a theory and is grasping for proof of it instead of seeing events and developing a theory.
It's absurd that Kilg purposely didn't show any of the things he believes were inventions of mine to further his attack and instead waited for me to point out he didn't.
Absurd.

I did go back and look for the post in question. In fact, I did so before asking you about where it was!

We are expected to believe that while Kilg is looking for things to nail me during his crusade he didn't bring up something to further support his reads until I questioned him over it.
Only then does he claim to have already done it to try to defend away my criticism.
He's inventing motivations that are ridiculous to explain away non-conforming behaviors of his to defend from a reach instead of attacking me for reaching.

[Shalako]

If it's not too on the nose, it's clear he's making Bricks without Clay. 

[Kilgamayan]

It's absurd that Kilg purposely didn't show any of the things he believes were inventions of mine to further his attack and instead waited for me to point out he didn't.

?

making stuff up in response to my posts, like the "posting too much" thing (whose explanation was not very satisfying, before anyone asks), the "responded seriously to a manga image" thing (and then responded with venom when asked to point out this non-existent response instead of actually pointing out the response), and then most recently this, which is a very inaccurate assessment of the reasons for my suspicions

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the "posting too much" thing

idk if the first question is directed at me since it doesn't really apply to me (but could be a gross misrepresentation of what I've been saying), but for the second thing, someone that plays in a scummy fashion is always worth voting no matter how often they do it. "Player meta" doesn't excuse scummy behaviour.

Fake Edit: I guess that first question is directed at me, then? Then hey there you go that's not something I've accused DNA of.

I legit don't know how anyone could accuse me of going after DNA for "posting too much" when he had exactly one of the grand total of two game posts at the time I made that accusation

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the "responded seriously to a manga image" thing

I also don't know exactly where DNA "responded seriously to {Shalako} posting a Comic as {an} explanation" because comics were only posted twice and DNA didn't appear to address the comic (or the apparent point of posting the comic) either time.

Shalako: I care because exposing that you are simply inventing things in response to my posts is more likely to get people to agree with me that you're scum, so.

Example: I notice that response is not actually pointing out where the thing you said happened actually happened!

[Kilgamayan]

(For those keeping score at home, that was a compilation of instances where I point out that Shalako is making stuff up. It was written in response to a claim that I intentionally did not bring up any of the things Shalako made up until after I was accused of such an act. Yet, all of the quoted posts where I point out that Shalako is making stuff up are from before the accusation that I was not bringing any of the things up. Appropriately enough, this makes Shalako's latest accusation just one more thing Shalako made up.)

[Shalako]

I did go back and look for the post in question. In fact, I did so before asking you about where it was!

And now he's using posts AFTER I QUESTIONED HIM over that aren't even related to the topic at hand (Why wouldn't Kilg use something to further his argument instead of waiting for me to call him out on not using it to "catch me")to try and trick people!
He's already tried a poor line of attack that relies on Posting too much and Posting too large being non-synonyms and now this.

[Shalako]

Yea, that's my point, I was giving you rope to hang yourself.
You don't care about how poor your attack on Rei is.
You don't care that the things you attack Rei for he does as Town.
You care about grasping at  straws to justify a Rei/Shalako Scum team after declaring Rei Scum off of his 1st post for poor reasons and digging into more nonsense to justify it.
If you did care about me not Linking to Rei you'd have read the thread and found the post he has after it where he refers to me and Celery stepping out of the race.
Or further more you'd have even dug and found that post not to your liking.
Instead you don't bother and go for the throat attacks.

For you keeping track at home AFTER this is where Kal claims he did in fact do this just didn't use it to support his "case" for some nebulous reason, and invents nonsense to justify him doing this, hence my quote of him calling out me for "inventing things".
His latest post is desperate and his further attacks on me for "Not showing Rei taking my Comic seriously" ignore the underlined part because he's not interested in how factual his argument is, merely propagating it.

[DNAbc]

3 hours to deadline.

I am still at work and will be on and off, if someone has questions for me I will be glad to answer them, just make them concise ty

[Kilgamayan]

Wow, those posts make no sense whatsoever. Let's try this.

You really expect Rei to NOT respond seriously to a query to them?
He responded seriously to me posting a Comic as my explanation for gods sake.

The original statement.

I also don't know exactly where DNA "responded seriously to {Shalako} posting a Comic as {an} explanation" because comics were only posted twice and DNA didn't appear to address the comic (or the apparent point of posting the comic) either time.

My response to the original statement, with bolding added for emphasis. Notice how I point out the specific number of times comics were posted? This is because I went back and looked for a comic with a serious response to it, and I wanted to make sure I caught all posts with comics in them.

You shouldn't care about any of it if you truly think me and DNA are scum together.

Shalako: I care because exposing that you are simply inventing things in response to my posts is more likely to get people to agree with me that you're scum, so.

Example: I notice that response is not actually pointing out where the thing you said happened actually happened!

If you did care about me not Linking to Rei you'd have read the thread and found the post he has after it where he refers to me and Celery stepping out of the race.

The exchange that led to the accusation that I didn't bother going back to look for a DNA response to a comic. Notice how this all takes place after the bolded statement.

Your claim is that I only looked back for the post in question after being called out for not looking. However, not only did I do so, but there is in-thread evidence that I did so; my production of the number of comic posts. Unless you are proposing that I memorized the number of comics that were posted, or only went back to check comic posts and not any possible responses, and simply didn't bother to do any fact-checking despite the fact that it took all of thirty seconds to do so? Confirmation on this either way would be appreciated for clarity purposes.

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Related to this, since there is still a claim that this post, the post "where he refers to me and Celery stepping out of the race", is in response to this post with a comic in it, I will point out again that the post "where he refers to me and Celery stepping out of the race" is in response to this post, where Serela votes for someone other than himself, and this post, where Shalako votes for someone other than themselves. This bunch of links means that DNA never responded seriously to this post with a comic in it, despite Shalako's that DNA did so.

DNA, direct clarification as to your intentions with the post "where {you} refer to {Shalako} and Celery stepping out of the race" would be appreciated, particularly in regard at to which posts or posts it was in response to. I think it's obvious, but clearly that doesn't amount to much in this situation.

I really don't know how much clearer I can make any of this. And really, whether or not I cross-referenced every single comic post and possible response or not when I pointed out that Shalako was making stuff up in this case shouldn't really matter, because it doesn't change the fact that Shalako was making stuff up in this case, as has been explained twice now.

[DNAbc]

DNA, direct clarification as to your intentions with the post "where {you} refer to {Shalako} and Celery stepping out of the race" would be appreciated, particularly in regard at to which posts or posts it was in response to. I think it's obvious, but clearly that doesn't amount to much in this situation.

I really don't know how much clearer I can make any of this. And really, whether or not I cross-referenced every single comic post and possible response or not when I pointed out that Shalako was making stuff up in this case shouldn't really matter, because it doesn't change the fact that Shalako was making stuff up in this case, as has been explained twice now.

I too really don't understand why I even need to clarify this when I made a post stating that 'Kilg is a strong player good at identifying intent', where I basically already implied I wasn't answering seriously to the comics at all.

also, I feel that I am townreading Kilg much more after the recent fiasco, I think I can sympathize more with Kilgs frustration since I underwent the exact same thing as town with shalako last game, and understand its a pretty aggravating experience. Especially since my primary reason for suspecting Kilg seems much more justifiable from a town perspective, as I did the same 'deliberately attacking weaker players thing' as town last game too.

[Bardiche]

POOL PARTY VOTE COUNT
Mod request: Please assume the party escort position!

CF7 (0): CF7
Rei Ryugazaki (4): Rei Ryugazaki, Shalako, ActionDan, Nagisa Hazuki, Raitaki, Raitaki, Shalako
Kilga (3): Kilga, Serela, CF7
Serela (1): ActionDan
Raitaki (0): Raitaki

With 8 votes in play, it takes 5 to elect a team captain! 1 hour and 23 minutes remain to be voting! If the Day ends without a hammer, highest amount of votes wins by default.