Touhou Smash crowdfunding and ZUN's fancreation rules (discussion thread)

[Colticide]

D) Yukari is fooling around again
E) It's a Moriya Shrine Conspiracy

F) Beerko took it hostage until she can finally become a Touhou character.

But silliness aside, any know if this has been posted to FSS yet?

[Flandre5carlet]

Source: https://www.facebook.com/fromsoysauce/posts/834026809991927

[Disgaeafan1]

Oh. What fun. Hopefully it gets resolved.

I really, REALLY had to suppress the urge to make way too many terrible "Let it Go" jokes.

[Alcoraiden]

Well, hey, people wanted the IGG down, it's down. Presumably if they ask IGG itself, it can turn over records of funding for the campaign, allowing further reimbursing.

[Disgaeafan1]

True enough. The only thing I'm afraid about now is that FSS will have to find a way to contact all donors. I doubt every single person has subscribed to their Youtube channel or FB page.

[Alcoraiden]

They already sent out the mass email. It's all in their email records now.

[Disgaeafan1]

Oh duh, forgot about that. Thanks!

[Saijee]

We have all your emails, but we don't have the corresponding values of money per contributor, apart from Paypal.

[Alcoraiden]

Will IGG turn that over to you if you ask? I assume so. (Also, why doesn't IGG let you access those records automatically? O.o)

[Disgaeafan1]

I know that we were sent confirmation emails, but those could be easily Photoshopped. I guess you know the people that donated at costume, stage, and character tiers though, since you sent them individual emails. But it's gonna be tougher to get the amounts for all the other contributors. I bet Indiegogo will provide that in time, or auto-refund themselves.

I googled Indiegogo account frozen and found others in similar predicaments, but I couldn't find any mention of their resolution.

[Helepolis]

We have all your emails, but we don't have the corresponding values of money per contributor, apart from Paypal.

So? What happened?

[Saijee]

We are still trying to figure out everything. We are working on the problem with IGG, and after figuring out everything, we'll make a youtube video to explain all of the new details.

[Firestorm29]

Just a hypothetical, if there was a DCMA claim, it'd state it on the page, right?

[Disgaeafan1]

Maybe? For some reason, I feel like this might have been a case of an outsider(meaning not TSA) reporting FSS for copy write infringement. I could be wrong though.

[aUsernameIsFineToo]

It looks like the page is completely gone. As in, no sign that it ever existed. 404'd, at least if the internet archive didn't catch it (do they even archive HTTPS sites?) while it was still up.

From what FSS posted on Facebook here:

Source: https://www.facebook.com/fromsoysauce/posts/834026809991927

it appears that someone other than them did it. TSA would be the most likely to be that "other party", since only they'd be able to take action against it.

Maybe? For some reason, I feel like this might have been a case of an outsider(meaning not TSA) reporting FSS for copy write infringement. I could be wrong though.

Would that work? I thought only the copyright holder has the ability to do that.

[Firestorm29]

Doesn't mean someone can't lay down a false claim. That is a possibility, like that one asshat who took down tons of Yuka music under her name.

[Colticide]

Not to mention that kind of stuff happens all the time on youtube, it's very possible it's a third parties doing.

[Disgaeafan1]

Yup. It sounds like somebody just reported the campaign with that little button that says"Do you think this campaign contains prohibited content? Let us know."

So it could be that the campaign is simply under review. I have no idea how Indiegogo works though. Or yeah, it could have just been TSA.

[Reu]

Isn't this technically a good thing?
If it's shut down then refunds happen no?

[Alcoraiden]

I will still be rather displeased if someone reported it because they wanted to rush this, instead of letting FSS and TSA work this out.

[Reu]

I will still be rather displeased if someone reported it because they wanted to rush this, instead of letting FSS and TSA work this out.

That is true.
Only time will tell.

But judging from the reactions from places like 4chan that is very possible.

[Quad City QBs]

Not to mention that kind of stuff happens all the time on youtube, it's very possible it's a third parties doing.

Only the holder of a copyright, or someone authorized to act for the copyright holder, can enforce that copyright through a DMCA takedown request. 17 U.S.C. ? 512(c)(3)(A)(vi). If the sender of a DMCA takedown is not actually authorized to act for the copyright holder, then they can be sued under 17 U.S.C. ? 512(f)--although the recovery may not be worth it.

But it's important to note that the DMCA isn't the only way to take down allegedly infringing content. YouTube has arranged its own private takedown system with record labels. It works similarly to the DMCA, but it's not the DMCA, and it may not have all of the same protections. It's possible that IndieGogo has a similar system and that's why we're not seeing a DMCA notice.

[Alcoraiden]

Oh balls. You mean 4chan has started watching this?

Shit.

[Omegahugger]

Judging from other cases posted online, IGG doesn't appear to respond to inquiries about this stuff. They shut down a campaign and provide boilerplate responses when contacted. I think FSS needs to consider planning for the eventuality where they'll receive no explanation or help from IGG to resolve this issue.

Which shouldn't be too hard. The crowdfunding is gone, so that's taken care of. The only thing left to do would be to confirm that everyone got their money back and that IGG didn't simply keep the funds (which would be complete bullshit.....) So, unpleasant as this may be, it seems to be putting the game back on the right path.

I wish them luck.

( But seriously guys, another video-response? Why? =x )

[Shade_]

I would not worry too much about it. We have already gotten into contact with IGG through email and are sorting the situation out, however we have told them that the campaign being shut down is probably more helpful, and we are asking for their opinion on the most efficient method to return the funds to all of you guys. We have half of the funds from paypal. I'm hoping that if we give them all of that, they can reimburse everyone all together from there end. Otherwise, they will reimburse their half and we reimburse our half personally at the same time.

Regardless of donations or funds again, FSS has all intentions to honor the perks and contributions made during the campaign.

Worst case scenario, they keep all the funds on their end, and FSS has to repay what was lost through our personal accounts. Which it we will do if that happens to be the case.

[Paz legalces]

Oh balls. You mean 4chan has started watching this?

Shit.

Not sure how to do embedded link but
_{https://boards.4chan.org/jp/thread/12911068/houston-we-have-a-problem}
It's an archived thread from a while ago that Monhan had forwarded me.
Not sure if there are still discussions regarding TSSB on jp/ or not, but they certainly did "started watching" it since the day Zun tweeted

[aUsernameIsFineToo]

It's an archived thread

That must mean it's pretty important. Threads on 4chan usually don't get archived unless they're significant enough to warrant doing so.



Oh, and you make custom links like this:

Code: [Select]

[url=https://www.shrinemaiden.org/]Maidens of the Kaleidoscope[/url]Which becomes this:
Maidens of the Kaleidoscope

[Paz legalces]

That must mean it's pretty important. Threads on 4chan usually don't get archived unless they're significant enough to warrant doing so.

Wait, doesn't everyone capable of archiving a thread?
*hey, that works, thanks 'v'b*
...and why is the thread dead and archived when the last reply was only yesterday anyway... strange

[aUsernameIsFineToo]

Wait, doesn't everyone capable of archiving a thread?

But still, it's not automatic, which means someone still has to decide that a thread's important enough to be archived. Also, this thread is archived on 4chan itself, not a third-party site.

...and why is the thread dead when the last reply was only yesterday anyway... strange

Maybe it took until then to get pushed past page 10?

[Drake]

it's really irrelevant, but somebody spammed the board and pushed a bunch of threads off, that's all
now shut up about it