NSP Mafia - Game Over

[DNAbc]

wow raikaria, did you draw scum again? you seem to have a really obvious tendency to turn a blind eye to everything else as scum while leaning onto GUTS and MY THIRD EYE (ohwait thats in another game) while convincing people to follow your madness

[DNAbc]

who should i target? likely roleblocker aside, its too easy for them to screw up my role, i dunno if doctors can save me from a suicide but the flavor implies it doesnt, maybe i am wrong, either way if i have to act it is on nnr, maybe raikaria since the new groundings

[SB]

if you die and there's an extra kill, then we immediately lynch the person you targeted.

if NL happens target sky, if not target NNR like you wanted?

[DNAbc]

anyway we cant reach a consolidation at this rate and d1's lynch gonna be wasted, someone do something

cut by sb, kay

[BigBangMeteor]

DNA's role is obvtown as fuck, do not support a lynch. Skypal's suspicion is incredibly reactionary and twists like everything I've said into something scummy. Me asking NNR whether DNA or I were scummy was, for example, me trying to get NNR to expand on his comment about me and DNA having omgus cases.

what SB said, yeah

[SB]

I don't like Raikaria being cut by the claim but not saying anything on it btw.

[Vhaltz]

1 minute left

[DNAbc]

tho this seems obvious in hindsight but if only i am dead please at least not jump the gun with the hammer, i mean like seriously

god i am not thinking straight, i am following sb's plan guys

[SB]

##Guard: DNA

this is in the right place

[Vhaltz]

Phase end, shut up

No lynch. N1 lasts 26 hours, send me your actions etc.

E: Also reminder that the second No Lynch will result in universal loss.

[Vhaltz]

After a whole night of fighting with toy dinosaurs and lasers, people decide that it's probably a good idea to continue looking for the potential murderers in the party.

However, upon checking numbers you notice that SB is no longer there!!!!! Maybe it had something to do with the sound like a melon being thrown on the ground that you all heard earlier. You run to the fuse box and find SB dead right in front of it. How did he die? probably some electric science thing.

SB was Albert Einstein, and Definitely Not Ninja Brian, he was a VT.
(full flips are not granted because some PMs had imagery and I'm too lazy to go resize it to adhere to the forum's rules)

"Hey, somebody left an announcement on the wall!" One of you says, looking into another room nearby. Said announcement is spread throughout the four walls and the ceiling so it's hard to miss.

I figure there's two ways this night phase will go. 

1 - scum will hit me and sab SB to get a free kill on DNA when he checks my corpse;

or 2 - scum will sab SB and hit DNA to get a free fake guilty on me. 

Either way, scum will have to sab SB so if we have a watcher they better be watching SB to see who visits. 

I was pressed for time because I had to sleep and there was an hour left in the phase, so let's continue from where we left off. 

I crumbed my role in this post when I listed three reasons for why I was not claiming. 
Reason 3 is left blank, I'll fill it in now:
"3 - I don't need to claim; everybody will know my role in day 2.   I am an announcer."

This whole drama came down with about an hour left to go til phase end (or so I thought, the phase extended itself by an hour somehow) and after I was supposed to be in bed. 
I didn't claim then, and a town!DNA should also not have claimed, because with less than an hour to go, the only option for town was a panic consolidation based entirely on whichever claim you happened to believe.  That is how these consolidation mislynches keep on happening.  He should have crumbed something like BT did when he was a weak visitor and ran into Miller Dan but I concede with ten minutes left there's not a whole lot of options. 

"I am the town weak visitor, I essentially visit people each night, if their alignment is scum or i fail my investigation, i die."

At this stage I'm believing this role claim. 

It is kind of suicide, since he just told the scums they can kill him with a sabotage/redirect on to one of their own guys/framing or any other kind of thing.  It IS a super obvious town role though because that specific weakness exists unless it's, you know, a fake role claim to avoid a lynch at all costs.  There were several people (BBM, SB notably) who said they would hammer DNA over a no-lynch, until he made that claim. 

SB This is lining up lynches really, and even if DNA does die, we can't trust the result.  Scums can sabotage/interfere with DNA and we won't even know about it (unless Watcher). 

I gave SB the benefit of the doubt because he actually made a case rather than just blindly voting.  The core concept was wrong however.  SB made two points in his case that could be addressed. 

Point 1 - "I didn't really notice it before but his DNA case seems hypocritical (as well as bad, for reasons I stated earlier) considering that Sky's only contributions at that point were related to the post restriction too."
This is a misrepresentation of the facts.  The post that SB is referring to is here. 
This is the post where I voted for DNA for time wasting (focusing on Junko), the empty unvote and justification for that unvote, and the strange vote switch in RVS.  SB is only focusing on the Junko point, which I actually discounted myself in the post immediately after. 

SB's case focuses on a point that I had discarded long before he suddenly noticed it existed.  That's why I said that his case was bad. 
Point 2 -
"In his *updated* case he basically says he's scum because he might be crumbing something which COULD BE DISTRACTING but it only is because you're making it so? I also find it strange how he's so interested in DNA lacking in opinions when roughly half the game are in the same position."

IIRC the only player apart from DNA who really said anything about not knowing what to do/where to vote was Raikaria, but you're welcome to go through and find instances of players implying they have no opinions.  Well, that's kind of tough because up until the last few hours of the phase, the only people who really posted at all were BBM, SB, Zak, DNA and myself.  Do we have a five way towny slapfight?  It feels like nobody else is really playing this game. 

I was making an effort to make a case and I found something that seemed weird so I brought it up.  DNA didn't address my points (Well he called me a moron for my first post) so I thought I might be on to something.  I shared it publicaly because I hoped other players would review the information since I can't do it all on my own.  It's extra odd right now, because if he was crumbing, it doesn't seem to relate to his claim at all. 

SB also really ignores the post where I apparently cut him, where I started challenging Zak on some of the points he's made.  I've been really busy (and still am) and I didn't have time to catch up on all the points and players that I'd missed. 

Basically, SB's case has nothing substantial behind it and if you read my posts that he is referring to, you can see he has taken them out of context to his own advantage. 

It's day one and some people are trying hard to make cases; I pulled bits of scraps out of DNA's posts to try and get an early lead, so I can't blame SB for trying the same.  However the difference is that when I realised one of my points was inaccurate (encouraging time wasting), I dropped it; and my case still had several key points that remain uncontested.  SB's case had one point that was simply wrong, and another point that's just an appeal to indecisive players.  I didn't have time to explain this so I disproved the key point and junked it.  Town should always be trying to improve their vote, and I don't really feel SB's vote was an improvement at all.  I initially gave him a semi-clear because of the way it came up but on the re-read and sitting on it for a day, I'm feeling more suspicious of it. 

***

BBM
SB spent more time responding to my complaints against BBM did which was odd; I don't really accept 'there was no time' because SB had plenty of time, so I expect a better explanation from BBM this phase. 

He did say one thing though;

"Skypal's suspicion is incredibly reactionary and twists like everything I've said into something scummy."
If it's reactionary, that's my playstyle.  Remember the previous game where I had to argue with a tunnel vision town and ended up voting for the guy who was most anti-town over the scum. 

I respect you as somebody who makes good calls, so for you to so easily jump on to what I know and pointed out to be as a non-existent case, and then stick to it, makes me question your motives.  Upon reviewing your posts, I noticed you listed Raikaria as a higher scumpick than me and Raikaria was voting SB, who'd just made a case on me.  It was startling to see you vote for me over Raikaria basically.  So to me, it looks like a blatant wagon hop, especially when I see this kind of comment:
"I don't feel like he's really going to a lot of effort on anybody other than DNA. While the stuff about not voting Shadoweh is true, NNR pointed it out way earlier,"
when I'd just posted a bunch of stuff after Zak, like, you just completely ignored the entire post except for one tiny sentence.  My comment on DNA re: Shadow was a single line under people he had actually expressed an opinion on and I didn't actually make any conclusions about it.  It was just data so it's weird that you'd put it in as a supporting point somehow. 

Then there's the stuff with asking for the claims when nobody was going to be lynched, the misrepping and...well this post basically. 

Anyway, we did run out of time and I'm talking to myself now, so. 

Assuming I'm still alive I guess we'll continue this in day 2.

Day 2 begins. The phase will last for 72 hours. With 9 left alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

[BigBangMeteor]

##Vote: Sky

Roleclaim, now, along with who you targeted. I have an investigation report saying you're scum. Purposely being vague here so that Sky can't adjust his claim to my report.

[BigBangMeteor]

actually I didn't even read the announcement bc I wanted to post first.

Sky is scum if he's the Announcer, I tracked him to SB

[DNAbc]

Vote NNR

I pretty much have no words for this. I got roleblocked, somehow I did not die? And SB was gambitting. Wow.

That said we pretty much have three townie obvtowns at this point. Me, skypal and BBM. The rest is easy.#

cut by SB

whoa shit

whoa whoa shit

Unvote
Vote Sky

this is turning out to be a really fast and furious game, wow

[DNAbc]

Wait, so was it specified in the rules that scum can use their ability and nightkill on the same night? Gotta check back a bit.

[pokemon123]

haha yes no more searching for pictures. Basically what my role is that if i didn't use any written communcation d1 I would get a shot of an ability(not sure if I should claim what it is.) I'll try to explain things later but I just woke up.

[DNAbc]

Nope, unspecified, which usually means it can be that. I am waiting patiently for SP's response.

[DNAbc]

i mean cut by bbm in that post but you gettit

[BigBangMeteor]

also just looking at the announcement it's scummy as hell; he spends time discussing scenarios where he assumes that SB is town Doc and then spends literally half the announcement talking about why SB is scum. lol?

I'm more suspicious of Raikaria now btw; his DNA vote over Sky was incredibly arbitrary and when the wagons were 4-3 he tied them up at 4-4 instead of tilting it to 5-3 and making a lynch possible.

[DNAbc]

In hindsight the entire D1 fiasco also seemed sketchy considering this is completely unlike the MoTK playerbase to miss out on D1 lynches. Sure, we may have a terrible LyLo track record. But far as I can recall never did we fail to consolidate lynch someone unless a ridiculously controversial role claim conflict pops up from both wagons. Skypal didn't claim and Raikaria just wasted the lynch because he didn't ''trust his biggest scumread''? More like he is not used to lynching his scumbud D1 and would rather no lynch to avoid that. Scum has alot more influence over night actions (conf'd roleblock role used on me to kill) and the effort Skypal put in the wallposts (most of it was used to defend himself, actually, which he could've done anyway when the night ends) is so tremondous it screams guilty response. I bet they were expecting both me and SB to turn dead. So SP actually was defending himself as scum for he saw that coming.

If SP does flip scum, then by association there's a high chance of Raikaria being scum with him. Thanks SB, your sacrifice will not go wasted.

[BigBangMeteor]

Junko- why did you vote Sky D1?

[DNAbc]

I will investigate Raikaria tonight. Doctor cover BBM while he cops/tracks/whatever Raikaria. Even if I get roleblocked and die we can pretty much confirm his alignment

[Bardiche]

##Vote: Raikaria
For voteparking on Poly nearly all day, picking no sides, posting plenty but saying ultimately very little. This post isn't so innocuous because I think scum naturally have a harder time getting scumreads than Town. It'd be OK if Raikaria had at least posted anything about someone indicating alignment, but he hasn't. I don't buy that the game has been so incredibly hard to read that he couldn't form an opinion on anyone in any direction whatsoever. A lot of these posts is just to explain or make observations but Raikaria just doesn't do anything except viciously abuse the poor semi-colon.

You know who else has difficulty providing reads and not fencesitting? Scum.

Shadoweh hasn't done any scumhunting either (whoo, yell at me), making her posts thus far only slightly better than bare and base reporter posts.

NNR's vote on Darkninjaabc is opportunistic and stupid, it's like kicking in an open door and zeroing in on the easiest target to mask the fact that you haven't produced any reads. Yes, yes, I know, it's meta by now that you just don't participate in D1 and take a free pass to D2, but at least make the posts you do make worth it. They aren't.

I'm fairly sure there'll be green-coloured people among you, but not all of the green-coloured people are Town. You're all Scum to me. Zakeri's doing that annoying reactionary playstyle where he only responds with quotewalls, like he's wont to do whenever he rolls Scum with me. That's mostly playstyle, what actually makes me go :/ is how his case on BBM complains about a logical fallacy, and then he commits to the logical fallacy of the strawman. Case is uninspiring and his (lack of) attempts to convince people otherwise is rubbish. Vote on BBM feels more like disinterest than actual desire to see the scum lynched.

SO TO PUT IT SHORT I'd lynch Raikaria, Zakeri, Shadoweh and NNR, not necessarily in that order, but definitely Raikaria first.

[Bardiche]

I'll read this Announcer wall-of-text later, but pokemon123, please clarify: What did you mean by this post? Seemed to imply insomniac but now there's a whole lot of nothing, and your picture posts (while amusing to me) have done incredibly little to contribute to anything one way or the other.


Zakeri, what did you mean earlier when you said you still wanted to "lynch Junko"?

[DNAbc]

bard, BBM just got a cop guilty on skypal. I got roleblocked. both investigation roles claimed already

dudeeeee

[Raikaria]

I can self-confirm.

BBM; you should have received a lemon last night. That was me.

[Raikaria]

I'm a 2-shot fruit vendor by the way. I do nothing but hand out useless fruit to who I visit.

[Bardiche]

Some of us literally just joined the game, read Day 1, then saved it all to a Quicktopic and waited for the Day to start. I don't have time to read shit and I figured I'd read the Announcer post first.

BBM coming out with a Tracker result is hilarious but I want to:

A) See what SkyPal has to offer as an explanation.
B) Remember that there is more than one Scum and I can't be fucked tossing a vote on SkyPal and then twiddling my thumbs.


Cut. 2-shot Fruit Vendor is amaze and wao but the kill flavour involved "melon" and either way, it doesn't confirm you as Town.

[DNAbc]

tbh theres nothing for SP to explain now that I think about it.

If SP=town,  impossible he has a fusion role of Announce+something else
If SP=scum, super likely Announce+kill to compensate for the roleblocker (who blocked me N1)

Besides given the fact that there is a limited distractive role to confuse the tracker (Raikaria, who claimed) it really is close to impossible that SP possess yet ANOTHER distractive role along with his announcer ability. That and his wall is pretty much a freakout response to all arguments against him.

iunno but discussing about who to lynch for D3 seems like what we should be doing here

[pokemon123]

Basically in that wall post of his he never actually stated what anti town points dna was making.(Assuming his case divided into 3rds was unvoting,wasting town times, he addressed the unvoting and wasting town part but never actually said what anti-town points dna made. He says that DNA had misguided arguments but again i'm not sure what he's referring to.  And isn't misguided typically a word used for town.

The tone of these two lines ***
"The exchange between DNA and BBM on page 1 raised an eyebrow.  Yes it is RNG.  For me, I put down a random vote until I have something to improve it to.  I do think DNA's shift was odd.  On page 2 he had another run in with BBM after his 'BBM is tryhard = town' comment re: unvoting."

To me it felt almost forced.

2 - There's a couple of statements from DNA that I particularly don't like:

***Some kind of pyro/planet crumbs?***

BURN THE ALIENS AND THEIR MIND CONTROL BEAMS

impale you on a stick and burn you

the sun reminds me of how hot and wet it is

god its hot over here

I don't really like this either because to me it feels like he's trying to twist comments into something scummy.

I dislike where he tries to use BBM's lynch priority against him because things can happen to make those priorities change. The part where BBM was happy to lynch turnover but then decided not to is because he simply wasn't going to get lynched so why vote him if it isn't going to do anything.



Rakaria why do still want to lynch poly/bard slot despite him not saying anything at the time of your post.

@Just. Meant that I could type normally D2. The two suns meant D2.


I would use my ability on SP but BBM already tracked SP so no point.
Shadoweh;s been similar to rakaria IMO meaning she didn't really give much stance on anything except for DNA. Never actually states what was scummy about DNA freakout response. I don't really get her read on me. So I get lynched alot for being scummy but how does this affect your read in this game. Also scum can put effort to, You also say that  Rakaria isn't scummy despite not giving a stance on anything. Why is he null/townie as opposed to scummy. "'d say Down with SF but they're not the only ones now :<". Sorry but can you explain what you meant by this.

meh i'll post more later.