Responding to stuff that happened since I left for the night.
Before I start. If I was a thing to IHNN he'd have voted me by now but he doesn't give a fuck so here we go.
Because I had pretty much no time as it was-barely even had time to respond to the point. Dropping a vote was not the first thing on my mind.
Why are you saying it's null then saying it's bad? Fucking pick one.
Acknowldging a mistake is null. Saying "I can hardly argue that everybody must be scum. Therefore I must be wrong." rubbed me the wrong way. It's not the action, but the way the action was gone about.
To be honest, I'm kind of peeved at the number of people saying "Ehh, I'll figure it out later" And then keeping their vote in their pocket. Nameless, Serela, Kilgamayan, and to a lesser extent even Schezo have blown off the start of the day while I've been trying to catch up with the game.
I didn't say "I'll figure it out later", I said I had no time that night. That was true, and then I wasn't around at all until now. (Which is almost 24 hours later but it's a thing that happens around Thanksgiving!)
Ohhhh boyyyy, Sky with allllll the bad logic.
I'm sorry, I should have colored myself black, because I don't know my own role. OF COURSE I COLORED IT GREEN. What, did you want me to do it like this?
How does that help us? Oh great, I guess it does give away who I think the scums are, and by coincidence, they are voting me day 1 again. Goddamnit people. My first game, scum voted for me day 1. My second game, scum voted for me day 1. My third game, scum voted for me day 1. Please get a new strategy. This is getting old.
Assumes 3 scum, assumes Dormio isn't, assumes no SK (which Dormio could have been jan-killed by SK or as SK: not saying rolespec is good here but that there's *so many* possibilities at this point not much can be drawn). The thinly veiled AtE at being scumdriven wagon 3 games in a row? Weren't you a D1 wagon 3 games in a row? Statistically, wouldn't that make it likely that scum were voting you D1? Aside from the fact that you have my alignment wrong (so I -know- this entire section is spacefilling BS), it's like your SB vote: we voted you for finding you scummy, THEREFORE WE ARE LYING SCUMBAGS.
I mean, it's obvious that town needs to have a role that can kill somebody and hide their color and role...Liar, you lie! There is no possible feasible way that this is a townie role. This is such a bold faced lie I had to reconsider my scum picks...This is a janitor ability, right?...Of course it's a scum role. OF COURSE ITS A SCUM KILL. Scum don't kill their own dudes, right? I think that's a fair assumption...So of course Dormio is green. There's no other reasonable conclusion.
Holy walloftext on bad logic. So, let's just poke all the holes in this. All of them. 1: does not consider possibility of SK. 2: does not take into account that Dormio could be anything but town, when as above he could have been scum shot by SK or SK shot by scum. 3: "Scum don't kill their own dudes". Though usually true, I know there's been at least one game here where scum has self-killed as a gambit, to clear one of their own as town vig or something. Serela can probably give more details on tihs I think he was the one supposedly cleared.
But that isn't what's worst about this block, since anyone can use bad logic. It's the conclusions and actions drawn from it that make this block scummy.
1: "This is such a bold faced lie I had to reconsider my scum picks."
Though I may be reading Schezo as scum, it doesn't mean he's wrong on everything. Reconsidering scumpicks (also, assuming you've caught the entire scumteam at any point in the game is A Bad Thing) because of 1 statement that isn't "I AM SCUM PLZ LYNCH ME" or something to that effect is, to me, scum realizing they need to have an avenue open to jump to Schezo (why? Because all 3 scumpicks are town, maybe, and this could become more clear as the game draws to a close?). It's just a very bad reason to move a vote.
2: "I think you are a smart guy but if you want to entertain any other possibility that Dormio was town then I am forced to consider you as less than a smart guy. This is pretty painful coming from the guy with the Cirno avatar, but there you are."
3: "Why do I feel like I have to hold people's hands to get through this, ugh..."
Insulting the intelegence of the other players, smart plan. The last line especially reeks of 'scum' superiority.
On night 1, there was two hits, and the doctor saved somebody. That means the doc knows somebody who is definitely town...if there's a doc.
Or it means night 2, somebody in town got a bit trigger happy.
Stop rolespec. Even if there were 2 shots&BT dying from Weak, nothing says scum+SK couldn't have shot BBM, or one of them shot an already doomed BT.
#1 - We know Dormio was not scum because that is retarded.
#2 - We know there are three scum because it is not LYLO today. There are nine players. If there were four scum, today is LYLO. Therefore, there are three scum. Technically there could also be two.
#3 - But since you're my top scumpick, I'm pretty sure you know exactly how many scums there are.
Already explained why #1 is not impossible. 3 scum is very likely at this point-though if Dormio was scum or not isn't really relevant to that point. #3 is ummm...weird.
Why Zakeri is scum:
#1 To be fair I skimmed his posts and it is popular for scum to vote for me on day 1...That's actually the strongest point against him being scum, ironically.
#2 - Zakeri literally didn't show up in any kind of force until his neck was on the line in the last six hours of day 2.
#3 - Zakeri refused to role claim and had to get Serela to do it for him. What the hell. If you are town, don't get other people to do it for you. Aren't you a towny? If you're towny, make your own fucking defense! Why make Serela risk his neck for you? Now if Zak flips red, people are going to go 'Hmm well Serela is his buddy.' No thank you. Serela doesn't read scum. That was an awful bus. But you couldn't get IHNN to bus for you because he is your scumbuddy, the only hapless towny left in your thread was Serela.
Skimming posts and not reading them and then calling someone your main scumread doesn't exactly reflect well on you. If you're around and being wagoned, don't you defend yourself? Since unless you're a Jester, being lynched is a detriment to you wincon, wouldn't EVERYONE try to defend themselves?
#3 is an awful awful awful awful awful misrep. Zakeri did not want to claim, Serela and I sort of wheedled it out of him (and he confirmed my guess). Serela posted it before Zak did to try to defend Zak since at the time, he wasn't posting. Zak DID NOT tell Serela to claim it. From what you're saying, having any other player defend you paints the defended as scum. No one is going to draw that conclusion if Zak flips scum on Serela. Saying I'm his scumbuddy and couldn't claim for him is also very bad logic since he didn't ask anyone to claim that!
#4 ...Like a really bad scum slip or he doesn't vote for a scum that flips. You should do the same for me.
#5 - Out of the people voting for Zakeri yesterday, two of them suddenly caught a case of dead. Why didn't they shoot Kilga? Because he is a confirmed townie and probably has the doctor on him. Why didn't they shoot Sky? Because I have mystery box #3 and they don't know what it does so they are going to try and lynch me or kill everyone else instead. But hey what's the very next thing Zak does? Whoops, it's a vote for Sky! How fucking convenient.
#6 - Let's go back to the start of the day. No wait, let's go back to the end of day 2, because that's where the story starts.
#4 relies on town being smart enough to not wagon town. Spoilers: it doesn't happen. The section that still means anything is still there-and this mega post has several what I would consider scumslips!
#5 relies on NKs to protect a scum (aside from the point that it's assuming Zak is scum). SB was pretty much universally unsuspected and Dormio was scarcely suspected. That they were voting Zakeri is irrelevant to how suspected they were. Also spoilers: a lot of people suspect YOU as well, so voting you? Not a scumtell. Not shooting you? probably not due to roles, but because either you're town and they think they can mislynch you, or because you're scum and wouldn't NK yourself.
#6 I don't even follow as anything other than OMGUS+confirmation bias.
I specifically mentioned DNA because I'm pretty sure he's scum and I wanted to see what new and creative lie he would come up with this time.
More confirmation bias. Besides, DNA claims everything under the sun regardless of alignment.
Schezo vs NNR...
All you've done all game is snipe at each other. MAKE OUT ALREADY. None of you are scum. Focus on the real battle.
Why are they both town to you?
I said I would wait. I would say twelve hours constitutes as 'waiting'. Welp! Time up!
Sleep is a thing that exists you know.
- I think that Zakeri and Darkninjaabc should die first, just my personal opinion.
Lynch I Have No Name, since we all think he's scum, then go for associative reads. Tip - It'll be DNA or Zak.
Nice contradiction. Also, everyone doesn't think I'm scum. Do you think there are 2 scum in the QT? Any reason you think DNA is scum other than his claim shenanigans? How would me being scum imply DNA/Zak scum, and when you find out you're wrong, how does this affect your reads of DNA/Zak?
What do you think of my being disabled today as opposed to any of the other players who could have been, with 2 deaths still happening overnight?
##Vote: Sky Paladin(post-postwriting close)
Well that came out a lot longer than I expected, but Sky's wallpost is just hilariously bad in both logic and content. Top scumread right now.