@Kiro: yes, because my statement that I was going to be more inactive than usual is somehow invalid? :V I do apologise for taking this long, but stuff came up etc. I should be fine now, at least until the weekend.
Just letting you all know that the next person to need replacing will probably get Wrathie filling the spot. Think long and hard about that before you decide to go inactive.First off, responses:
This was weird considering that Tenshi's lynch was almost a certainty by that point, and had he flipped scum I would be considerably less suspicious for going after him when I did. This whole comment seems based on the notion that he would flip town.
Wait,
what? How does my opinion on Moonspeak's alignment influence you being scummy for
lacking an opinion on ANYONE?I noticed you vote Jan-san in #71 for the standard reasons. But what I think stands out to me the most is your #87 when you question what Tenshi was doing and make no comment about Jan-san's post above yours including his unvote. For someone who was unhappy about Jan-san, you are suddenly quite single-minded in your pursuit of Tenshi. That single-mindedness gives me the impression of scummy intent, that you're just itching to vote Tenshi, but also don't want to jump on too quickly. And to reiterate my point from before, you justify your vote saying "nobody is this scummy, but I remembered about ras255" is rather selective thinking. But we were wrong about Nuclear Fusion last game and we're wrong about Tenshi this game. Your evidence there is faulty. I think you were trying too hard to look ok while voting Tenshi so I find your vote on his bandwagon the most telling. And then at the end, you just state you're going to go after Jan-san again. See below about why I'm wary of that.
Honestly, Jan was pretty bad, but...the problem with cases like Moonspeak and Nuclear Fusion is that you really don't know what to do. Past a certain point of flailing, someone can seal their doom in mafia since there's just too much WIFOM in trying to determine their alignment, and the only thing that can do this is an investigative role, which is not only prone to failure (RBs, Godfathers, etc.), but also can be best used elsewhere. So I stand by my Moonspeak vote, and I would have voted Nuclear Fusion D2 in Umineko despite his claim, as the WIFOM and nuttery at that point just hit ridiculous levels.
Because Alice claims Nietz can't hold a clear and concise opinion which is incorrect because he had one on Tenshi.
I went over NEETz's posts and didn't find this. All I found were lots of accusations of "null tell". So if you think he did have one, link to the relevant post?
Also on reread, I didn't necessarily like his case on Roukan on a point that didn't look like it would go far and the case on Nietz feels a little half hearted for some reason.
The case on Rou was notably odd, but as a general rule going off on weird tangential cases D1 seems to be more of a Town-tell in general than a Scum-tell. Reason being that Scum really have no point in trying to vote for someone who almost certainly won't be a lynch that day, and it makes them look noticeably awkward.
The whole point was that Alice was already looking forward to me being pursued Day 2. Don't tell me you didn't notice that.
Um, where is this? I said it's notable to keep an eye on you and see if you suddenly gain scumhunting skills or not, because of how you work when you're scum. Misrep much?
Anyway, this current situation is a bit weird. Relevant opinions:
First off, @mod, what
was Carthrat's role as flipped? Vanilla Townie?
Don't think it said Vanilla Townie, but what does a rabbit like me know? Maybe the cat could tell you, but she needs the soul to even know who they are.Now, NEETz is weird. D1 he acts like a typical scum-NEETz, then D2 after a lot of prodding he gets into things and starts at least trying to scumhunt, though I don't like his conclusions. His roleclaim seemed a bit early (there are still 10 hours left in the day, and he wasn't at L-1), and what's arguably weirder is he claimed an obscure role
which implies a second killing party, then claims to have used it on The Dead Guy, which explains why there was only one NK N1.
First off, @mod: if such a role were to exist in this game, and were to cure a hypothetical SK-Carthrat N1, would his N1 kill still go through, or not? Most of the time I've seen shrinks used, the townieficiation only became relevant starting the next night.
No idea. Ask Eirin?Of course, this seems like something that could clear itsself up if we wait long enough and then notice a pair of NKs one night. Waiting until D3 sounds good for me, especially since NEETz is just starting to contribute now and this seems like something that we could check out. Possible vote target, but not my first.
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I basically hate, loathe and despise everything about Xan's play, but at the same time, the fact that Town-Xan ALSO works this way leaves me to be ultimately uncertain about his scumminess. Possible vote target, but again, I'd have to think about it a bit more.
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At the beginning of D1, I thought that Jan-san was likely scum, with the only point against him being that he voted for Serp D1 instead of the obvious free bandwagon. It still makes mild sense for Scum-Jan to vote Town-Serp like this, but it more-or-less eliminates a Jan/Serp scumpair in my mind *at this point*. Need more input from Sodium Chlorate now, he seems to be almost uncharacteristically wishy-washy, but considering he just replaced a lurker in this game, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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I'm not seeing the case on Zakeri very much. In fact, D1 seems to play out very much in his favour! He didn't slap down a vote for the obvious bandwagon, instead trying to point out why coaching is not necessarily bad (an opinion I disagree with personally, but one which is not in and of itsself anti-Town...). Some of his other actions, like voting me without much reasoning, or his move to Serp after this for...uh, very questionable reasons, are bad, and I'm not sure about his reasoning on Nietz (slaps down 3 cases on Nietz, Carthrat and Xan, all 3 of which have weak reasoning, proceeds to vote the one most likely to get lynched), but I can't see him being scum at this point due to him not jumping onto the Moonspeak wagon.
Going to have to think about this some more. Current suspicion goes Nietz > Zakeri (which would be a vote right now if him not being on the Moonspeak wagon confounds him being Scum) > Xan/Sodium Aspartate > Jan-san/Kerigis. Going to think about this a bit more and slap down a vote in my next post, in 2 hours or so.
