##Extention would be nice, since no one was speaking at all last night before I went to sleep and then had my internet cut for a while :V
@Kiro: What exactly about my reply left you wanting more. It does me no good to just say "Well, Zak hasn't really cleared anything up." And then just having look through your post trying to figure out what you're pressing that I haven't tried to explain.
...AtE much? o_o
I feel it's justified. Speaking of which, Hi Sodium.
Firstly the 'Should I let scummy wagons go through' point. It's, in short, a terrible point, because he's basically saying that his opinion is more important than anyone else's even in the face of evidence.
Oh, someone answered my question. "Yes, you should let wagons you think are bad go through because you're always wrong unless the Mod Says so." Okay then.
I'm not trying to be vicious about this point, I'm just still bitter over how we lost the last game.
Alice must be hardcore to have been reading the topic for sixteen hours.
I don't really have much to say or add, at least until Jan-san's replacement shows up.
Why don't you have anything to add until Jan-san shows up? also, You never really stated your stance on anyone.
I do note that Affinity had his vote on Suwako most of the Day, until he dropped it "for now", implying he'll be back. He has said nothing more on Suwako since then, including not commenting at all about Suwako's answer to his question. lolwut?
I don't like it when people hold this point up against others. It implies people should be ignoring what's happened around them and just tunnel on the first person they FoS.
And obviously, Jan-san should never be allowed to join a mafia game ever again.
I'm personally refusing them (Jan-san and Xan) if they in my next game. I'm serious.
I see that main point Neitz is arguing, but it feels like he's trying to spin something that would be natural for me to assume into something that only scum would assume. The stance I held on Tenshi is the result of me trying to understand the reason we lost last game based on my actions last game. Last game, the
person I wound up defending I successfully saved from being lynched. That person got replaced (headache indusing) and surviving until Lylo to be lynched. If I had let him be lynched Day one, not only could I have made the counter attack on the scum that voted him much sooner, but it would have been contemplated instead of ignored as WiFoM.
So then what exactly am I suppose to do when I find myself in what amounts to the exact same situation? Yes, I wanted to shout and yell at you all for bandwagoning on evidence that indicates that he is either Idiot town or Idiot Scum, but in the end, there was no indication that Tenshi was either Scum or Town, just that he was an idiot. I still disagree with it in heart, but there were three reasons it was a good enough lynch for day one:
1. It helps remove anti-town elements, such as people who don't know how to play the game, from making it to lylo
2. Scummy bandwagons, according to others, is only scummy if the target flips town, therefore you can't make cases based on bandwagons that don't go through to lynch
3. There was still a Decent chance Tenshi was scum.
I said before that one of the morals of last game was not take stupid things people do and calling it Malicious intent, which is exactly what was happening to Tenshi and a point I was taking to heart.
What you're trying to spin it as is ScumMe trying to semi-clear myself by staying off the bandwagon while enjoying a mislynch in the process. The problem with this line of thought however is that I'm not asking people to clear me because I wasn't targeting Tenshi. Just the opposite, I feel it's suspicious to try and go about it like that, which is why I gave Affinity some hardship for explaining why he wasn't on the bandwagon.
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Let's see ... Nothing new on Neitz's case, The other big case right now is me, and I don't really see anything forming on Jan-san's case until Kerigis shows up.
I guess talking about a case on someone you don't think is scum qualifies as defending now apparently?
It's been that way since I first attacked Serp last game.