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Re: What do you want to never happen in Touhou?
« Reply #90 on: May 24, 2012, 01:53:24 PM »
On a related note, what would your responses be if you all found out that Rinnosuke would appear in ZUN's next game? Asking out of curiosity lol
Dunno....I probably wouldn't play. :V

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Re: What do you want to never happen in Touhou?
« Reply #91 on: May 24, 2012, 03:25:52 PM »
On a related note, what would your responses be if you all found out that Rinnosuke would appear in ZUN's next game? Asking out of curiosity lol
It would be awesome because Rinnosuke is the manliest badass is in Gensokyo. Buy it, play it, fap to it.

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Re: What do you want to never happen in Touhou?
« Reply #92 on: May 24, 2012, 04:01:19 PM »
Men appearing in the game's story.

Since this has come up several times before, I'd like to ask: to those of you who would object to male characters in Touhou games, why? Why would this ruin the game, make it unplayable, or be otherwise undesirable?

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Re: What do you want to never happen in Touhou?
« Reply #93 on: May 24, 2012, 04:04:04 PM »
Since this has come up several times before, I'd like to ask: to those of you who would object to male characters in Touhou games, why? Why would this ruin the game, make it unplayable, or be otherwise undesirable?
Maybe because the Touhou community has grown used to lolis flying everywhere

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Re: What do you want to never happen in Touhou?
« Reply #94 on: May 24, 2012, 04:28:26 PM »
Maybe because the Touhou community has grown used to lolis flying everywhere

This,
If I've to add upon that, I guess it's because some have grown to expect ZUN to put only girls in the games. Dunno if putting men in the game would make it "unplayable", but it'll make the game undesirable for people who want girls only. If the game's good, then I guess they'll be fine with the game, though.
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Re: What do you want to never happen in Touhou?
« Reply #95 on: May 24, 2012, 04:58:20 PM »
Maybe because the Touhou community has grown used to lolis flying everywhere
My thoughts exactly.

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Re: What do you want to never happen in Touhou?
« Reply #96 on: May 24, 2012, 05:48:27 PM »
Maybe because the Touhou community has grown used to lolis flying everywhere
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Really though, that's hardly a good reason, at least if you're talking about playing the game or not. If you want to dislike the character, go ahead, but you'd really outright ignore the game because it has a male character?

Re: What do you want to never happen in Touhou?
« Reply #97 on: May 24, 2012, 06:21:44 PM »
I've always found myself a bit dumbfounded when people talk about adding males into touhou as 'ruining the game'.
However they do have a point, while I personally couldn't care less, it would be awkward for zun to just have a guy show up with a handful of spellcards after so many years of an all girl cast.
An existing character like Rinnosuke could potentially work, but otherwise he'd have to be careful throwing him in there.

Re: What do you want to never happen in Touhou?
« Reply #98 on: May 24, 2012, 07:08:10 PM »
I wouldn't mind having male characters on the condition that they are related in any way to a pre-existing character otherwise it'd seem too out of the blue. 

Although im not really for, too many males in Touhou pretty much because of how some of the fandom would use it (MANnosuke is enough for me) although it could possibly bring out some interesting fan works.

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Re: What do you want to never happen in Touhou?
« Reply #99 on: May 24, 2012, 07:17:27 PM »
So, in other words, because it would be too much of a change from the Touhou you know?

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Re: What do you want to never happen in Touhou?
« Reply #100 on: May 24, 2012, 08:01:14 PM »
Hm, I think so in regards to my Touhou Fanon image and the stuff fans would produce

Now that I think about it, a male character would not really change much for the overall Canon-Story of Touhou since I feel he may be a low stage boss (so it'll only affect one side of Touhou), unless he's a final or stage 5 boss since it's possible he'll cause as much change as the Moriya Shrine crew to Touhou


Re: What do you want to never happen in Touhou?
« Reply #101 on: May 24, 2012, 09:24:52 PM »
what if it's a little boy rather than a man :O

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Re: What do you want to never happen in Touhou?
« Reply #102 on: May 24, 2012, 10:37:51 PM »
Rinnosuke is the one dude. That's his thing. You can't take away his thing! Every other male is either non-humanoid or is never shown.

Introducing male characters would be a drastic shift in Touhou's feminine aesthetic, what with how spellcard battles are supposed to be contests of beauty and whatnot. There's the "girls are preparing" line, the fact that historically male characters have been remade as females (Miko)...everyone being a girl is just part of the setting.

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Re: What do you want to never happen in Touhou?
« Reply #103 on: May 25, 2012, 02:52:31 AM »
Come to think of it, maybe they're just worried that the game would turn out to be in a style where Reimu fights against all midbosses and bosses that are male. It wouldn't hurt to add like only one male midboss/boss in the game, but if it turns out that all the midbosses/bosses are male, then I would say "hmm... that's quite unexpected."
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Re: What do you want to never happen in Touhou?
« Reply #104 on: May 25, 2012, 03:03:55 AM »
To be honest, I have literally no opinion on male characters introduced to Touhou, but seeing how strongly a lot of people feel about it, I was curious to see if there was a common thread. And yeah, seems to essentially boil down to what Stuffman said about the game's "feminine aesthetic", which is a good way to put it.

And truly, how would Rinnosuke deal with another man in Gensokyo? It'd be awkward, certainly. And not in a zany, episode-of-Friends kinda way, either.

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Re: What do you want to never happen in Touhou?
« Reply #105 on: May 25, 2012, 05:32:37 AM »
what with how spellcard battles are supposed to be contests of beauty and whatnot.

Of course, if the spellcard battles could focus more on power than just looking pretty then I wouldn't mind a male boss or two.  :V

Re: What do you want to never happen in Touhou?
« Reply #106 on: May 25, 2012, 06:11:45 AM »
I dunno, Marisa tends to be on the category of spell cards need to be flashy and things like go big or go home.

Male characters would be awkward, but hey, they have some. As long as they aren't final bosses or playable, it shouldn't be too much of a shift and can be a slow introduction.

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Re: What do you want to never happen in Touhou?
« Reply #107 on: May 25, 2012, 06:35:52 AM »
Geesh, he could just make them effeminate and call it a day, everyone would be happy!

In general, male characters would be an interesting change. In fact, I think a male main character would be the only reason to consider not picking Reimu, for me at least. Though I think I still wouldn't change, I'd rather stick with one character all the way through.

Re: What do you want to never happen in Touhou?
« Reply #108 on: May 25, 2012, 09:10:51 AM »
To be honest, I have literally no opinion on male characters introduced to Touhou

This, pretty much. I still need to actively remind myself that Futo and Mokou are female, to the point of almost using "he" every time I refer to one or the other, and even assumed the latter was male for a while.
I only really remember that the series contains practically no males or (physical) adults when I'm considering introducing it to others.

Having said that, I would find it really disconcerting if the guy was anything other than a boy that could be considered androgenous in zunart.

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Re: What do you want to never happen in Touhou?
« Reply #109 on: May 25, 2012, 09:15:46 AM »
Having said that, I would find it really disconcerting if the guy was anything other than a boy that could be considered androgenous in zunart.

I agree, because that would be in keeping with ZUN's art style. Not really seeing "Fat Balding Middle-Aged Accountant For Mid-Sized Electronics Supplier-san" for the Stage 5 boss of Touhou 14.

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Re: What do you want to never happen in Touhou?
« Reply #110 on: May 25, 2012, 09:39:12 AM »
I wouldn't be opposed to seeing male characters, honestly. It's a welcome change from what we usually see every so often when a new touhou game comes out, and given how I work, I tend to like things that break the norm with something interesting. Yeah, it'll be 'awkward' when he's there instead of the 'magical loli' we were expecting to see, but to me, it's a lot better than seeing what I've grown used to for so many years. 
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Re: What do you want to never happen in Touhou?
« Reply #111 on: May 25, 2012, 12:41:18 PM »
I wouldn't like male characters in the games, since I've gotten used to the improbably female cast and I like it. It's no end of the world though. And Rinnosuke's alright, since he's already in the verse.

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Re: What do you want to never happen in Touhou?
« Reply #112 on: May 26, 2012, 07:11:58 PM »
It's a minor thing and it doesn't bother me that much but I'd prefer if ZUN went back to power items giving more than .01 of your power.  I know its already happened in 2 games but I think them being worth .05 would be better just to have less clutter on the screen.

One thing I really don't want to see, like some people said, is the fanon romance to creep into the game. I'll admit that I do enjoy watching it outside of the game, just keep it there.  I'm pretty sure that would never happen as it would really change the tone of the game.

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Re: What do you want to never happen in Touhou?
« Reply #113 on: May 27, 2012, 10:33:24 PM »
Male characters, female characters.

Makes no difference to me. They all get obscured behind a clusterfuck of bullets within seconds anyway. Gender's not gonna have any bearing on the bullets.

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Re: What do you want to never happen in Touhou?
« Reply #114 on: May 27, 2012, 10:36:41 PM »
I think the people making the objections care more about the narrative aspect than the gameplay.

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Re: What do you want to never happen in Touhou?
« Reply #115 on: May 28, 2012, 02:05:13 PM »
I don't see much difference between male and female. However, having a character whose gender is unknown would be cool, akin to the Pyro is TF2.
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Re: What do you want to never happen in Touhou?
« Reply #116 on: May 28, 2012, 03:19:36 PM »
I don't see much difference between male and female. However, having a character whose gender is unknown would be cool, akin to the Pyro is TF2.
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Re: What do you want to never happen in Touhou?
« Reply #117 on: May 28, 2012, 04:54:21 PM »
However, having a character whose gender is unknown would be cool, akin to the Pyro is TF2.
And then all her/his/its lines: 'Mmmmmmmf! Mmmm mmm mmmmph! Mmmh?':V

While I don't mind male characters in-game it would be odd to see them as even midbosses beyond the first three stages.

Now, back to topic: I'd like to avoid seeing second loops in Touhou, even if they're just for Lunatic and maybe Hard. While that would be a good way to distinguish Easy/Normal and Hard/Lunatic, it wouldn't fit too well with how Touhou works IMO.
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Re: What do you want to never happen in Touhou?
« Reply #118 on: May 28, 2012, 06:08:48 PM »
I'd hate to see some kind of "all star" game; all the most popular characters brought together in one game, just to celebrate their popularity. That's like the equivalent of a "best of" album from a musician. You know it's over when they try to sell a compilation of old stuff as a new body of work.

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Re: What do you want to never happen in Touhou?
« Reply #119 on: May 28, 2012, 06:48:15 PM »
I'd hate to see some kind of "all star" game; all the most popular characters brought together in one game, just to celebrate their popularity. That's like the equivalent of a "best of" album from a musician. You know it's over when they try to sell a compilation of old stuff as a new body of work.
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