Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Hakurei Shrine~ => Touhou Addict Recovery Center => Topic started by: Chainsaw Guitar on June 14, 2009, 05:53:22 AM
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Sakuya's been in 7 games, whereas Aya has been in 5. Why isn't Sakuya getting any flak for this...? >_>;
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huh? I've never seen any mention of either being a slut >=p.
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huh? I've never seen any mention of either being a slut >=p.
Aya's usually known in Touhou Fandumb* as a slut, for...some reason, probably of her being a Tengu or something, I can't remember the details. In my book, they're both sluts anyway.
*Yes. This was intentional.
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Yeah, I've seen Aya being slutty in the pics on this site. I'd say it's because Remilia keeps Sakuya working all day so that she can't be slutty.
Besides, every1 knows she uses pads anyway, isn't that kinda slutty? nah, I guess not, but still, Sakuya's been taught by Remilia how to be "proper" in accordance with Victorian morals, and Aya's a reporter, think about it for a minute
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Because Sakuya was enemy once, playable twice, and then part of three games (IaMP, PoFV, SWR) where there were many playables. Where's the seventh?
Aya, on the other hand, got HER OWN DAMN GAME.
The running joke is that since Aya's introduction, she's been in every game and even got HER OWN GAME in Shoot the Bullet, putting her as the only solo playable besides Reimu all the way back in HRtP. Thus, people say she sold her body to ZUN. It's a stupid joke, like most of Touhou fanon.
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What theshim said: Until UFO, Aya has appeared in every single Touhou game since her debut, has her own official fanbook, is a playable character in the only game Reimu is absent, and is playable in 3 games if helpers in SA count as playable. It was officially created in this edit of a comic where it had Reimu and Marisa call her a slut and ZUN's whore.
Since I despise Aya, it's a meme I can get on board with.
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Sakuya is a slave so everything she has to do she does not want.
Aya has her own webcam and website with a picture gallery.
Sakuya can't dream of beating that.
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Sakuya is a perfect and elegant maid, whereas Aya is a "do anything for money, and I mean anything" type; Sakuya only serves Remilia, whereas if there were hot dog stands in Gensokyo, Aya would be "Cut-Me-Own-Throat Shameimaru."
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I am greatly displeased with all the bad-mouthing of Aya Syameimaru. Neither she nor Sakuya are sluts. Any time an attractive girl is inaccessable, guys will naturally call her a slut to make themselves feel better, that's all. And once "Aya = slut" became a meme within the fandom, it just got parroted mindlessly, like so many other things.
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So we could just start parroting "koishi is a slut" and it would become fano......
*killed by Gpop*
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basically... sakuya = maid+ elegant
aya = reporter + Unpopular.
Unpopular = lots of flack = name-calling = slut
here we go
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Pretty sure there is a pic of Zun dressed in a very "Aya-like" outfit too. But I still think the whole "Aya is a slut" fandom crap is stupid anyway, she is still on my top list of favorite characters :)
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Pretty sure there is a pic of Zun dressed in a very "Aya-like" outfit too.
Yes, there is. and I'd like to see that pic again.
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Pretty sure there is a pic of Zun dressed in a very "Aya-like" outfit too.
Yes, there is. and I'd like to see that pic again.
You mean this pic?
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2v0xy8i.jpg)
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Sometimes fanon is good. Mostly is it not. Depends on in what context.
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Don't see why people get in a rage other Fandom.
I like Aya being bad and taking nasty photos.
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Don't see why people get in a rage other Fandom.
I like Aya being bad and taking nasty photos.
Or dancing! (http://i43.tinypic.com/68hc1w.gif)
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You mean this pic?
(Zun with Aya-outfit and booze)
Now that I see this pic again I just noticed that he has two more bottles of booze right near him, how I wish I had the stomach to drink that much all the time.
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Aya is Zun's self insert, it has nothing to do with sluts.
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This is a terrible thread and I hope it dies.
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"Why is _______ such a slut?"
"Why is ________ such a good girl?"
same question, answers may depend on mileage
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This is a terrible thread and I hope it dies.
But Aya thinks this is a discussion that needs to be had - here, listen (http://i40.tinypic.com/4uuv6r.gif).
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The Maikaze-Aya actually felt like repentance for fanon-Aya. They did a good job with her imo.
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I agree. I liked Maikaze Aya a lot. I eagerly await Episode 2.
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You want to know why I hate Aya? Because she's a total jerk. Given that my favorite character is Yukari, I don't mind it when my characters are powerful, but Aya's a total jerk about it. She acts all humble about her strength, but is in fact really smug about it. It's like "I don't mean to be rude, but us tengu are way more powerful than your pathetic species can ever hope to be." And yet she sucks up to stronger people like Suika and Yukari if she were aware of her power.
But also, how she doesn't really care about anything other than her newspaper. One particular example is SA, where she pretty much gives Utsuho the okay to turn Gensokyo into a nuclear wasteland as long as she can write about it. Call her bending of the truth cute or charming or whatever you want, stuff like that is really unacceptable to me.
So no, I don't hate Aya to get on the bandwagon of "lol slut." I use "lol slut" because I hate Aya that much.
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You want to know why I hate Aya? Because she's a total jerk. Given that my favorite character is Yukari, I don't mind it when my characters are powerful, but Aya's a total jerk about it. She acts all humble about her strength, but is in fact really smug about it. It's like "I don't mean to be rude, but us tengu are way more powerful than your pathetic species can ever hope to be." And yet she sucks up to stronger people like Suika and Yukari if she were aware of her power.
Cite? I don't recall her actually calling other characters "pathetic". She recognizes her own power, period. And you think Aya's smug? Oh, LOL. You could throw a rock in any random direction in Gensokyo and hit a character more arrogant about their supposed power, including but not limited to certain ice fairies.
But also, how she doesn't really care about anything other than her newspaper. One particular example is SA, where she pretty much gives Utsuho the okay to turn Gensokyo into a nuclear wasteland as long as she can write about it. Call her bending of the truth cute or charming or whatever you want, stuff like that is really unacceptable to me.
For a journalist, the story always comes first. But I think you're stretching your interprettation of SA a little bit. What actually happens is, Utsuho asks if Aya plans on stopping her, and Aya's response is that it depends on whether or not she'll let Aya cover her invasion for an article. But you'll also notice that Aya also tells Utsuho twice to "come out and fight". In fact, her entire attitude is pretty confrontational towards Utsuho. She knows Reimu pretty well, and knows full well that Reimu isn't going to let Utsuho raise hell, and she does in fact help Reimu fight Utsuho (if she didn't, Reimu's tengu speed ability would have disappeared at that point in the stage).
So no, I don't hate Aya to get on the bandwagon of "lol slut." I use "lol slut" because I hate Aya that much.
Thus proving my point that "Aya = slut" has nothing to do with canon and everything to do with haters.
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IIRC she wants Utsuho to fight because that'd give her something to write about too.
I'm too lazy to find anything exact, but I believe there are various points in StB and BAiJR where she acts pretty superior to others. Of course she doesn't call anyone pathetic directly. I'm saying she gives me that impression of what she's secretly thinking. Plus if you read the help files of StB, her objective is to take enough pictures to cause emotional damage to the target. Your defense to this?
And of course I didn't even touch upon how most of her articles turn into slander. Shikieiki herself states that Aya will throw in half truths if her articles aren't enough on their own. Again, this may be a "your mileage may vary" thing, but I absolutely hate people like that.
You could throw a rock in any random direction in Gensokyo and hit a character more arrogant about their supposed power, including but not limited to certain ice fairies.
Cirno's smugness of her own power is more like that of a child being overly proud of their achievement. How much power she really does have aside, the truth is that she is the most powerful fairy out there, and at such a young age.
Thus proving my point that "Aya = slut" has nothing to do with canon and everything to do with haters.
This is your point? In that case, even I'd help prove it to you. Aya's no slut, but a meme where you get a free insult towards your least favorite character is one I can get behind.
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Shikeiki needs to lighten up.
Also, I'm not trying to argue you into liking Aya. I'm just pointing out that 1. she is far, far, far from being the most "smug about her power" in Gensokyo, 2. there's a bit more to the Subterranean Animism story than you're letting on, and 3. I think you need a hug.
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Aya=over rated and under rated at the same time
/topic
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3. I think you need a hug.
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That one was low, man. It even hit me!
I think you all need to take it easy. I mean, this topic started to question the reason behind a meme related to how much ZUN uses Aya on the games, and suddenly I see people arguing about her mindset and whatnot.
My stance on this is that everyone should interpret her character as they want. Aya's a character on a videogame, so you have such freedom.
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Just getting this out there to piss donut off: I like Aya more than Yukari. :O
Actually...that's a lie, but still, ZENGAR is right. You don't need facts to like/dislike a character
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Taking it easy.
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I've read alot of books and whatnot. But honestly, there just doesn't seem to be enough text in Touhou games to really make any character have alot of depth to them. Not only that, but even if they are shallow as #@%%#@, you can't really predict what they are thinking imo just cuz they don't have much chance to say much overall. There's less story in a Touhou game imo than there is in a single chapter of most novels I read. Not that I'm complaining, it's a shooter game not an RPG.
One note hit me though:
And of course I didn't even touch upon how most of her articles turn into slander. Shikieiki herself states that Aya will throw in half truths if her articles aren't enough on their own. Again, this may be a "your mileage may vary" thing, but I absolutely hate people like that.
I haven't really read any articles or whatever (I haven't played shoot the bullet, is that where you actually see an article?).
But Shikieiki is probably the only character in the whole series imo that is shallow enough to be figured out with what little she has to say (That is the final boss in PoFV right? I forget her name, but I assume you speak of her). She'll sophistrize (I just made that word up lol) any deed into a reason to burn in hell >=P.
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I haven't really read any articles or whatever (I haven't played shoot the bullet, is that where you actually see an article?).
Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red is a (Semi, I think) Canon "Edition" of the Bunbunmaru newspaper.
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The Maikaze-Aya actually felt like repentance for fanon-Aya. They did a good job with her imo.
No, the Maikaze-Aya basically stole Marisa's personality and left her dry and doing nothing for the rest of the episode (the bit in the library still ticks me off).
Irrespective of the whole meme, which I think is idiotic, I absolutely hate Aya.
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No, the Maikaze-Aya basically stole Marisa's personality and left her dry and doing nothing for the rest of the episode (the bit in the library still ticks me off).
It doesn't change my point, though~
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No, the Maikaze-Aya basically stole Marisa's personality and left her dry and doing nothing for the rest of the episode (the bit in the library still ticks me off).
So now Aya is responsible for Marisa being written into the sidelines of the first and only episode? Wow.
Here, have some drumming:
(http://i42.tinypic.com/1zqgbk6.gif)
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So now Aya is responsible for Marisa being written into the sidelines of the first and only episode? Wow.
Umm, did you watch it? Aya was the one taking books and chucking them around the library; when the hell did she ever do anything like that? There was prime material there for Marisa to take a book and run a joke/dialogue, and instead it turned into another Aya showcase (and an adorable "Mukyu!", but still).
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Umm, did you watch it?
Yes, I did. It's also a doujin work - i.e. not canon.
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Yes, I did. It's also a doujin work - i.e. not canon.
Agreed. It just seemed a little odd that they'd pull stuff with no basis in any of the official or fan works like that.
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Agreed. It just seemed a little odd that they'd pull stuff with no basis in any of the official or fan works like that.
While we're on that topic, how about this: Why does Reimu send Suika out to BUY SAK??
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While we're on that topic, how about this: Why does Reimu send Suika out to BUY SAK??
Because Suika knows the good stuff, of course! And because the villagers are...completely used to an oni coming into town to buy drinks! Of course!
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There's less story in a Touhou game imo than there is in a single chapter of most novels I read.
You're clearly not looking very hard. Touhou may not be the most plot heavy series out there, but I'm sick and tired of people always saying that Touhou has no depth or anything. Is it not the characters and general idea of the series that has attracted 90% of its fanbase?
Also, BAiJR is completely canon FYI.
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You're clearly not looking very hard. Touhou may not be the most plot heavy series out there, but I'm sick and tired of people always saying that Touhou has no depth or anything. Is it not the characters and general idea of the series that has attracted 90% of its fanbase?
Also, BAiJR is completely canon FYI.
aye. reading on the topic I realized there was stuff other than the games. But.. yer, you're a silly-ninny if you think the games alone feature alot of depth story-wise >=P
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Because Suika knows the good stuff, of course! And because the villagers are...completely used to an oni coming into town to buy drinks! Of course!
Ha, yeah. That was my first "WTF?" moment in that episode. I was like, "Wait, doesn't Suika have a bottomless gourd of sak??"
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Ha, yeah. That was my first "WTF?" moment in that episode. I was like, "Wait, doesn't Suika have a bottomless gourd of sak??"
Yeah, but would YOU want to drink from it? Considering as Suika's been using it for Moriya only knows how long?
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I never actually saw the gourd in the anime, but it's probably cuz Suika got drunk(duh), dropped it, and lost it somewhere. Besides, it may be infinite, but I think the sake only has one flavor.
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Reimu Hakurei: Only the best for her guests. No common oni sak? for them.
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I don't understand; why is Sakuya assumed to wear Pads; but not other characters?
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I don't understand; why is Sakuya assumed to wear Pads; but not other characters?
Because the severe variation of her breast size when drawn by the Tasofro crew on IaMP (Or it was SWR)?
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Mostly likely IaMP as it came 1st, but Embodiment of Scarlet Devil Sakuya has to be the worst loli ZUN has ever produced. I laugh every time I look at it.
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Well, it does say in her EoSD profile that her age is "10-20." (Mind you, it's entirely plausible for a Japanese woman to look like that, especially with ZUN's art of her ...)
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But what about meiling's, yukari's and yuyuko's weren't theirs small in the original game?
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(http://i39.tinypic.com/2nu7lol.jpg)
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'Face chest on sakuya' "ow that hurt!" (for people who think i am making fun of I am not and also is one of my favourite character)
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Yeah, but would YOU want to drink from it? Considering as Suika's been using it for Moriya only knows how long?
but Suika does drink from it in IaMP (unless she's faking). And it's stated to be a very precious treasure to the oni (unless someone thinks that she's using it to sell sake to others instead, thus making profit from it).
I agree that Aya didn't really mean to allow Utsuho to turn the surface into a wasteland, and Utsuho might not even have wanted to do that, from the start ("untamed" or not). Canon would otherwise have killed Remilia or Sakuya after EoSD (unless Reimu's route isn't canon and they got introduced to each other through Marisa), and perhaps Mystia after IN. Also, tengu are known for not being truthful, and oni, for the opposite.
Imho I can't remember a single example where fanon characters are preferable over canon ones. Fanon is for creating memes about alternative versions of the characters, not for making said alternate versions the official ones (unless ZUN says so).
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But what about meiling's, yukari's and yuyuko's weren't theirs small in the original game?
Yukari's actually looked like ZUN tried to give her breasts, but failed.
Anyway, Sakuya being around 20 would work out decently. Make her 18 at the time, and she'd be legal drinking age by the time they actually start having alcohol in Touhou.
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The legal drinking age... In Gensokyo.
Right.
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The legal drinking age... In Gensokyo.
Right.
Shikeiki cards people. And by "cards" I mean asks to see their drivers licenses or other form of valid identification.
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Prepubescent girls in frilly skirts fly around all hours of the day in Gensokyo and Yabadabadoo is worried about valid forms of identification?
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Prepubescent girls in frilly skirts fly around all hours of the day in Gensokyo and Yabadabadoo is worried about valid forms of identification?
Yes.
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Repost from a few months ago:
(http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/2554/whatnow.png)
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Repost from a few months ago:
(http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/2554/whatnow.png)
Oh yes. The great thing about that line is, you could interpret it to mean anything about the characters' ages.