Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Beyond the Border~ => Rumia's Party Games => Mystia's Stored Games => Topic started by: WHMZakeri on April 10, 2010, 07:34:09 PM
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Still Playing:
1. Affinity
2. Uncertain Kitten
3. Pesco
6. Kiro
Bullet in the Butt:
7. Kitten4u - Alice Margatroid, Vanilla Townie
5. Roukanken - Komachi Onozuka, Vanilla Townie
4. Huh What - Hina Kagiyama, Vanilla Townie
Game Status
Everyone confirmed, Day one
The topic title bothered me so I fixed it.
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Rules:
1. No being a meanie head to other players or the mod.
2. Please do not try to break the system. I have made rules to shoot down any potential loopholes I've found on my own.
3a. Voting occurs as normal. You may vote saying "##Vote: Zakeri" in bold, without quotes. You must unvote before you can vote again.
3b. If 48 hours pass without reaching Majority, whoever has the most votes will be lynched. If there is a tie, all tied players must submit a Haiku within the following night. Whoever has the worst Haiku dies.
4. Night will Last 24 hours.
5. Remember this: Outguessing the mod means Outguessing random.org. You're better off using logic and reason instead.
6. You may not speak with any person except for myself, or if you are mafia your partner about the game outside of the thread. Likewise, if you are dead or not playing, please don't contact a living person with information about the game.
7. If you die, you may post one bah post.
8. If someone doesn't post for over 30 hours, tell me in topic and I will prod them. If they do not respond in thread for another 24 hours, I will just kill them. This does not include nights.
10. You are allowed to Roleclaim in this game. Don't expect it to be helpful, though.
11. Have fun, and don't be an idiot.
This setup is a C9 setup up. What this means is that there is a 25% Chance that this set up is one of the following
1 Doc, 1 Cop, 3 Town, 2 Mafia
1 Doc, 4 Town, 2 Mafia
1 Cop, 4 Town, 2 Mafia
5 town, 2 Mafia
I am sending out Role PMs now. Please Confirm in thread when you get yours.
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Confirmed.
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All pms sent.
Lime greenification now being processed.
Confirmation phase.
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The turnover in Mafia games is amazing today.
I am firmly conned.
It's what I do best.
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Game Status
Day one. Everyone Has Confirmed
Confirmation phase.
Find the inconsistency!
Also confirmed, since I posted it early. Derp.
So sue me, I copypastaed.
I'm going to sue you for forgetting your greentext first. (Though you fixed it now.)
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/confirm
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Sup
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I's here
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/confirm
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Only one person has yet to confirm. You may now start voting accordingly.
Deadline for day one is Monday, April 12th, 4:30 pm EST.
Also, i forgot to mention in the rules but Mafia is allowed pm daytalk.
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Stone Gaze Vote Pesco
Jerk :<
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##Vote: Affinity
Lurking so hard he hasn't even confirmed. :V
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##Vote huh what
what you gonna say huh?
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##Stone Gaze Vote Pesco
Jerk :<
(http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/1350/tewiflip.png)
##Vote Rou
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/confirm
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Ah, shit! forgot to ##Vote: Zakeri obvscum etc.
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First Votecount
1. Affinity (1) - Roukanken
2. Uncertain Kitten (0) -
3. Pesco (1) - Huh what
4. Huh What (1) - Kiro
5. Roukanken (1) - Pesco
6. Kiro (0) -
7. Kitten4u (0) -
M. Zakeri (1) - (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SchmuckBait) UncertainKitten
With seven playing, it take four to lynch.
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##Vote:pesco
For trying to avoid OMGUSing.
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Oh damn, I've been found out :ohdear:
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OK we need some action, these days are shorter than we're used to.
##Unvote, Vote: huh what
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Kiro has a point
##Unvote, Vote Pesco
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OK we need some action, these days are shorter than we're used to.
##Unvote, Vote: huh what
Why are you blaming this on me? ;_;
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Kiro has a point
##Unvote, Vote Pesco
What was Kiro's point?
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That you quite handily avoided OMGUSing and voted someone else.
That's mildly suspicious, and one of the most things we have to go on.
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I'm amused UK thinks I said that when it was Affinity.
Why are you blaming this on me? ;_;
Cuz that's what he said... huh!
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Oh god dammit
Well it was smart! So I thought it was Kiro!
Sorry Affinity. In that case, I agree with Affinity at this juncture.
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I'm amused UK thinks I said that when it was Affinity.
Pretty much this.
I may have avoided a direct OMGUS, but my vote is still an OMGUS because I'd be saying to Rou 'Oh my god you suck!'
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There's nothing to be antsy about for OMGUSing a random vote. But I don't think UK thought about it like that and just wanted to get something coherent to talk about. Not gonna snip at her on that particular point.
I don't know what you just said Pesco cuz you didn't vote huh what at all.
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I just said Rou sucks. Isn't that still an OMGUS? :V
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Well, I have to do something stupid to get us out of RVS since lol lurkers. So I'm going to kinda tunnel on Pesco for a bit pointing out every inane thing in his posts and see how people react.
Also, saying Rou sucks is totally contentless and distracts the town from scumhunting >=[
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Oh...
Strangely it works by the way you worded it Pesco.
UK: It's in his meta to bash Rou just like how we'll never criticize you for voting the mod. Well, other than Pesco being at L-1 right now, still nothing of real note here.
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The Second "New page, new count" Votecount
1. Affinity (1) - Roukanken
2. Uncertain Kitten (0) -
3. Pesco (3) - Huh what, Affinity, UncertainKitten
4. Huh What (2) - Kiro, Roukanken
5. Roukanken (1) - Pesco
6. Kiro (0) -
7. Kitten4u (0) -
Pesco is at L-1
With seven playing, it take four to lynch.
You have 25.25 hours left to decide.
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Also, saying Rou sucks is totally contentless and distracts the town from scumhunting >=[
What scumhunting? :|
Wow this is slow paced. Pesco, is randomly insulting Rou really necessary, regardless of meta? Plus you used it to dodge the main point (not that it was a big one), so yeah.
Also, ##Unvote, just in case somebody comes along and hammers Pesco for no reason
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I was hoping there'd be more to go on when I woke up today. :(
Case on Pesco is silly even for a D1 case, but I don't think UK is scummy for using it. There is literally nothing here, so I can't fault her for pushing the "case." Pesco's just being himself, so I have no complaints on him either.
##Vote Roukanken because my gut keeps telling me to and I have nothing better to go off of at this moment.
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Never realized I was at L-1.
##Unvote
Can you elaborate a little on what kind of gut that is? Meta-gut, what-scum-would-do-gut or something else?
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Can you elaborate a little on what kind of gut that is?
Not really. I just read through the game several times and every time my gut focused on him. Hence my mild irritation.
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Would you be willing to see him lynched today then?
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Would you be willing to see him lynched today then?
Like I said it's the best I've got right now. It wouldn't be ideal, but I'd take "best I've got" over "not the best I've got."
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I think everyone has reacted. HW's mostly ignoring of my tactics bothers me a bit. The unvote is a null tell at this point.
So, ##Unvote, Vote Huh What
L-1
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I think everyone has reacted. HW's mostly ignoring of my tactics bothers me a bit. The unvote is a null tell at this point.
What do you mean by "ignoring of your tactics"?
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I was waiting for responses to my professed handling of Pesco. Not sure if you are connected to him but you were basically the one that had the least commentary on it, and it's somewhere to go for more reactions. I may eventually have something to base a case on if this keeps up!
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I didn't say anything about them because I didn't really have anything to add/comment about. Don't see much point in acknowledging something if I'm just going to be all "yeah ok".
You seem like you're being a bit too eager, but then again not much is going on so meh.
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See, usually I'd agree that my eagerness could be taken as scum trying to appear pro town. But, at this point, given how little is going on, the fact I am trying to stir the pot is a slight town tell.
Then again, I know that so I've basically reduced this to WIFOM, though there's a handy remedy for that with a little critical thinking.
Also, in this set up, as long as L-1 is declared, it shouldn't be too dangerous. Scum would have to be suicidal to quickhammer, and town would have to be idiotic. Hey, town, we aren't stupid are we?
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Eh, I meant the OMGUS comment as a random vote, but oh well. In any case, I'm not very thrilled at K4U going for gut over insubstantial reasons; being okay with UK's case on pesco and pesco at the same time smacks of a detachedness not appropriate for town.
pesco's active questioning seems town enough for me so early in the game, though I'm not too thrilled at huh what and pesco not voting others right now.
##Unvote
##Vote: K4U
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See, usually I'd agree that my eagerness could be taken as scum trying to appear pro town.
I meant that it seemed to me like you were trying to get a lynch (which would end the day/discussion as a result... wait, this isn't still nightless, is it?) asap based on the attitude of your posts, especially considering both of your switches so far have been placing people into L-1 though that's likely a coincidence. Still feel it might be worth noting though.
Also, in this set up, as long as L-1 is declared, it shouldn't be too dangerous. Scum would have to be suicidal to quickhammer, and town would have to be idiotic. Hey, town, we aren't stupid are we?
Mistakes happen, but w/e. Also "Hey, town, we aren't stupid are we?" comes off really, really oddly.
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<Good>
Not sure it's necessarily TOWN, but it was good.
You caught the most awkward part of my statement, since it was a (not so) subtle reaffirmation of my towniness. Either way, the mistakes happen attitude is what causes you to lose caught scum. I don't like the idea that you might be excusing future...slips.
Let me make it clear. Undeclared L-1 will merit an FoS from me, and possibly a vote. A quickhammer will certainly stick my vote to you for the rest of the game.
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By mistakes, I mean if somebody votes without realizing the person is at L-1. If it's obviously an attempt at quickhammering though then I can see where you're coming from. Then again, scum can easily lie and say it's a mistake, so yeah I admit that was kind of stupid to say.
You caught the most awkward part of my statement, since it was a (not so) subtle reaffirmation of my towniness.
I don't see how it actually works to reaffirm people, since scum can say they're town too. Starting to feel like you're tacking on a big "I'm trying to get people to say I'm protown!" banner to your posts that don't actually do much for town.
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That's precisely what it does. It does absolutely nothing and it is, isolated, a scummy act. I have a bad habit of doing it regardless of alignment (though that right there is minimizing the tell, which isn't good either)
Honestly, I'm not sure where I'm going with this but I'm having fun in the process ^-^.
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Ugh. That post comes off like you're trying to use meta to excuse yourself. It doesn't even help that you lampshaded it too.
##Vote: UncertainKitten
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On second thought meta might not be the term I'm looking for here. But it should be obvious what I mean.
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To excuse that one tell, yes. But it is a demonstrable meta. It is, at best, a slight scumtell, and possibly just a null tell.
I would advise you to look at um...whatever mafia was before Himelander to get an idea of it.
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In any case, I'm not very thrilled at K4U going for gut over insubstantial reasons; being okay with UK's case on pesco and pesco at the same time smacks of a detachedness not appropriate for town.
How is voting on gut any different than voting for silly reasons?
And I stated that the only reason that I was okay with her case on Pesco was because there was nothing else there. I can't fault someone for trying even if I thought it was a dumb case and I didn't have a problem with Pesco.
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Not sure why Pesco bothered to unvote Rou and not put it on someone else while doing a not so aggressive questioning of K4U's vote on Rou.
huh what's back and forth with UK is not really striking warning bells with me about either of them despite them openly discussing WIFOMy tactics. The fact that Affinity and K4U both have ignored it when the first 2 have actually voted each other at this point is probably a good sign about huh what and UK.
Pesco's softball approach so far is a valid concern and the fact that he's got:
1) An unvote of Rou that wasn't entirely necessary.
2) Affinity's waffling stance on Pesco but lack of vote on Pesco.
3) The quick exchange with K4U that leads to nowhere and K4U not having a problem with Pesco.
Feels good enough for a serious vote.
##Unvote huh what
##Vote Pesco
L-2
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Oh, make that L-3. All the random votes on Pesco had disappeared by this point.
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@K4U: Bad reasons are better than no reasons at all when it comes to D1 mafia, and that's the problem. If you think pesco can be excused on meta, then why do you think it's reasonable for UK not to use it back then?
@Kiro: WIFOM tactics are old news and lead to pointless bickering and walls of text on day one. Again, bad reasons are better than none, and thus I feel it alright to discount them as opposed to K4U, who is voting for nor reason other than gut.
As for my stance on pesco, he's slightly town for questioning K4U but not okay for not voting her. Still better than K4U in my opinion.
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Bad reasons are better than no reasons at all when it comes to D1 mafia, and that's the problem.
I do have a reason. It's "because my gut said so." Seriously, how is that any different from any other silly reason to vote for someone? I could understand if you were yelling at me for using lolgut if there was actually something reasonable for me to go off of, but since you wouldn't care if I used UK's argument (for example) I really don't understand your issue here. Please explain to me why using my gut when I have nothing better to go on is scummy.
If you think pesco can be excused on meta, then why do you think it's reasonable for UK not to use it back then?
I have no idea what you're trying to ask me here. I have no problems with Pesco. I have no problems with UK. I'm not clearing either based on meta, they're simply not scummy. What's the issue here?
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@K4U:
Pesco's just being himself, so I have no complaints on him either.
You are using meta to clear pesco.
Furthermore, other people have used reasons which can be demonstrated by tangible posts and votes in the topic, but gut is not one of them. That's the thing.
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You are using meta to clear pesco.
No I'm not. Yes, the random ad hom on Rou is him being himself, but I wouldn't find that scummy if it came from someone else. That's all that comment was refering to.
And once again, please explain to me why using gut is something scum is more likely to do than town. As far as I can tell it's simply suboptimal.
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@K4U: Bad reasons are better than no reasons at all when it comes to D1 mafia, and that's the problem. If you think pesco can be excused on meta, then why do you think it's reasonable for UK not to use it back then?
UK did use it. Albeit for a mostly random vote. K4U was just saying that it was weird, but didn't find UK scummy for it.
As for my stance on pesco, he's slightly town for questioning K4U but not okay for not voting her. Still better than K4U in my opinion.
I wouldn't call those simple sentences questioning. It was even on a gut vote with no followup of any kind. And no one else has bothered to pursue this with a vote which is making me suspicious with the way people kind of touch on his not-so-good actions. I'm not all that happy with K4U either, but Pesco's actions are more actively bad and I feel more information can be gleaned from lynching him.
Cut by K4U:
Call me a little skeptical that you're still voting Rou on gut when he currently has the least amount of activity in. Rou will certainly say something when he's up. And if it satisfies you enough, who else could you go for? Even if Rou is scum, there's one more out there and it kind of feels you aren't looking around enough. If UK and Pesco are ok to you, surely you could consider the actions of a few others a little more. You aren't initiating questioning, only responding. All this is enough for me to consider switching to you as well.
And once again, please explain to me why using gut is something scum is more likely to do than town. As far as I can tell it's simply suboptimal.
There's no way that question can be answered effectively. If that's the extent of your questioning and defense, it leaves you as an unknown and a D1 lynch worthy case.
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The Third One~
1. Affinity (0) - Roukanken
2. Uncertain Kitten (1) - huh what
3. Pesco (1) - Huh what, Affinity, UncertainKitten Kiro
4. Huh What (2) - Kiro, Roukanken, UncertainKitten
5. Roukanken (1) - Pesco, Kitten4u
6. Kiro (0) -
7. Kitten4u (1) - Affinity
Not Voting (1) - Pesco
With seven playing, it take four to lynch.
There are 15ish hours left.
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Maybe the dust of this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg308638#msg308638) has settled too Quickly. (Wtf is up the Q on all the campus computers). Kiro's main gripe with me is that I unvoted Rou. But what was my vote on Rou for in the first place? It was from RVS and since we're out of that, why would my unvote be unnecessary? I have no intention of lynching Rou yet. We've seen L-1 approach very Quickly and if my vote stayed there, Rou would get lynched by consensus of 3 people, not a proper majority.
Like I said it's the best I've got right now. It wouldn't be ideal, but I'd take "best I've got" over "not the best I've got."
And once again, please explain to me why using gut is something scum is more likely to do than town. As far as I can tell it's simply suboptimal.
Is this still the best you've got by now?
No I'm not. Yes, the random ad hom on Rou is him being himself, but I wouldn't find that scummy if it came from someone else. That's all that comment was refering to.
This doesn't sound right. Like you've contradicted yourself on using meta to clear me. The people that use ad homs with backing, you can say aren't scummy. UK and myself use ad homs with less backing and by meta would appear normal. I think it would be scummy for some people to use ad homs and how you've given a general pass for it is weird.
##Vote K4U
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OK, so. Finally got around to reading last two days of WTC (spent most of D4 convinced the pair was Affinity and Carth - yes, I was wrong about my own scumteam) and now finally looking properly at this.
Pesco's unvote here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5682.msg309531#msg309531) is unproductive and paradoxical. If he wanted to pressure K4U on her gut vote on me, why didn't he put down a vote to go along with it?
Then he goes on to ask if she wants to see me lynched (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5682.msg309548#msg309548) today. I can't see any reason to ask this question other than to pin her unequivocally to a mislynch later, which is obviously anti-Town.
Meanwhile, K4U is trying to argue that nothing today is suspicious and that I should be lynched on gut. Problem - gut doesn't give us anything to work with on later days, and your insistence that every other case in the day has zero content seems very unhelpful. It kills off the iffy cases we need to go through to get to the real cases.
UK actually trying to start discussion seems fine to me. HW moved Pesco out of L-1, but given he's used to larger games I'm willing to consider this more of a Townie error. No-one else is really catching my attention atm, so I'm looking at a Pesco/K4U team right now.
##Unvote, Vote: Pesco (L-2)
Ninja'd by Pesco producing a page of useless reasons for his unvote. Starts by denying any and ALL connection with the vote on me, before jumping onto K4U for the gut call that apparently didn't earn her his vote back at #34. He exaggerates the ad hom point - K4U didn't find an ad-hom joke in RVS scummy, big whoop. IMO, he's looking too hard for an original point so he can claim credit for a scumflip.
Referencing Haruhi Mafia is practically Appeal to Authority - "Hey guys, remember this game where you were all useless? You should trust what I'm saying instead!"
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I am highly amused at how I can cut your post by 2 hours and this is all you can come up with.
What makes any of your fluff relevant in proving I'm scum? As far as I can see, it's you that is reaching by regurgitating what Kiro said. You already call me and K4U as scumteam, borrowing (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5682.msg310039#msg310039) from Kiro much?
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I opened the reply page, then left it up as I went to read WTC. >_>
I looked at the 'is that your final answer? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5682.msg309548#msg309548)' point in more detail. Apologies for not having a good deal of new info to add on Day 1 when Kiro has already made a decent case against you.
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That also happened to be my last post before going to bed. Pray tell how I can press K4U any further when I am sleeping?
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Why so reluctant to pressure her with a vote?
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I wasn't ready yet.
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Not ready to...what? Place a vote that would have put K4U nowhere near a lynch?
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There wasn't anything really voteworthy at the point when I left.
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Hmm...we got some interesting stuff here. K4U's reaction read as...overly defensive to me. I don't think I had any issues with Pesco's counter reactions so...I'll go out on a limb here and put K4U at L-1 >=[ Don't quickhammer but we are close to deadline so you should probably declare an intent to hammer soon if you are going to
##Unvote, Vote K4U
So, yeah, I'm partially doing this so we have a clear lynch (and hoping I'm right cause I think this is a swing vote), and partially because K4 rubbed me the wrong way with her reactions.
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Hrm, one thing I want to say now is that while it's possible the scum team could be Pesco/K4U, I'm not going to commit to that.
Also, the K4U lynch feels like the "easier" lynch. Because 5 out of 6 people don't like her actions (huh what needs to show up again), lynching her won't tell us anything about the other players. The question is how likely of it being a mislynch and scum just riding along with it. It feels too easy and since K4U played like this the previous game, it's easy for Scum to take advantage of it if she's Town.
Pesco's flip however, will give us contrasting views. A few people think he's ok, a few people don't. It allows for more tangible leads to be followed in Day 2 rather than the WIFOMy goodness we'd get if K4U turns out to be lynched and Townie. Pesco also has his vote on K4U while K4U has it on the offshoot Rou so there's a more established link running that way. And I think Pesco is being dodgy with his actions. The first part of his #61 is stating an unfounded fear. He himself got to L-1 via random votes and kind of reacted calmly to it; why is he bothering to avoid the same situation with Rou? He's introducing a WIFOM that didn't need to be introduced and it feels scummy. And the vote on K4U now feels lackluster considering he could have done it before. Vote on Pesco is going to stay.
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EBWOP: The reason I said that first point above is that Rou specifically called out a scumteam pairing. There's really no basis for that at this point in time and hints at how he plans to approach the game at this moment. Maybe... like a scum with a plan. Not entirely comforting.
And finally, to factor in if K4U is indeed Town, she is going by gut just like the previous game. And she could very well be right in this game about Rou who she hasn't budged from at all.
Ergh, probably still ok with the Pesco lynch. If my nagging feelings about a Scum Rou are true for this game, I'd see him more likely to vote Pesco and have his wagon tie K4U's rather than swing K4U's wagon to L-1. Less responsibility this way and could suit his purposes for either a mislynch or bus.
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1. Affinity (0) - Roukanken
2. Uncertain Kitten (1) - huh what
3. Pesco (2) - Huh what, Affinity, UncertainKitten, Kiro, Roukanken
4. Huh What (0) - Kiro, Roukanken, UncertainKitten
5. Roukanken (1) - Pesco, Kitten4u
6. Kiro (0) -
7. Kitten4u (3) - Affinity, Pesco, UncertainKitten
With seven playing, it take four to lynch.
Kitten4u is at L-1
There are 3 hours left.
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Also, the K4U lynch feels like the "easier" lynch. Because 5 out of 6 people don't like her actions (huh what needs to show up again), lynching her won't tell us anything about the other players.
I was sleeping, and the board was down when I woke up.
K4U's initial vote doesn't seem too bad for me since it was still RVS, but she should at least have something better than gut as a reason to vote by now that we've gotten more posts. Also, lynching K4U actually would tell us a bit about other players, don't forget about her interaction with Pesco.
But this also means lynching Pesco would tell us about the interaction as well, and imo he's probably the better lynch since aside from his generally odd behavior lynching him would expand on a lot.
##Vote Pesco
And finally, to factor in if K4U is indeed Town, she is going by gut just like the previous game. And she could very well be right in this game about Rou who she hasn't budged from at all.
"But what if her gut is RIGHT???" doesn't really help us out at all :| Even if she hasn't budged from him that doesn't make her gut any more credible. If she has reasons to keep her vote on Rou now, then she should speak up.
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That's a lot of fluffiness for a L-1 vote.
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That's a lot of fluffiness for a L-1 vote.
I kind of agree. But since you're around Pesco, feel free to elaborate on anything your accusers have said about you or the case on K4U.
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No, this doesn't make me suspect huh what, not at all.
Very, very, happy with my vote on K4U at this time. Will likely vote HW tomorrow unless something amazing happens.
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I kind of agree. But since you're around Pesco, feel free to elaborate on anything your accusers have said about you or the case on K4U.
Anything to say...K4U hasn't responded and Rou is talking out his ass copying you and tacking on catchphrases that don't even have any relevance.
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* crickets *
Felt everything had already been said and I'd just be parroting Kiro and Rou, but ok.
First of all RVS. Don't think the "Pesco avoiding OMGUSing!!" thing really counts for much at this point, but in #27, rather than actually respond to the actual vote, he just claims that he says Rou sucks, which really comes off like he doesn't want to deal with the vote, even if it's not particularily serious at this point. #37 could possibly be digging for information on who would vote Rou if scum were to attempt to get him mislynched by the end of the day, or if K4U is with Pesco, attempting to blame the mislynch on her instead. His unvote seems kind of derpy as well, since he didn't really have anybody else to place it on and Rou wasn't exactly close to being lynched. Plus despite questioning K4U he doesn't attempt to really put any pressure on her at all and it just kind of seems like he goes "oh ok" and backs off until #61 where he actually votes her, which is odd. #65 is a decent excuse... or at least it would be if he had actually voted K4U when he unvoted. A vote would add more pressure on her even while she's not being questioned, yet he avoids doing so for some reason. #67 does not really explain anything at all, he could at least say why he wasn't ready. According to #69 there wasn't anything voteworthy, but apparently there was enough to pressure her about her gut, so not voting her was counterproductive as it could have gotten more out of her (like what could have been more reasons to vote). Also note that there wasn't much voteworthy for other people either at that point. #75 complains about my fluffiness (derp) but apparently he doesn't want to take the time to go into detail (which I've noticed a lot from him, ugh) or address anything else.
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Both Pesco and Kitten4u are at L-1
Deadline is at 4:30 pm EST today, which by my clock leaves only 20 minutes until deadline.
Remember, With Haiku Rules in effect, somebody will get lynched as long as there's a vote in the field.
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There's something to be said about the D1 crapshoot being decided by a haiku-off.
Zakeri: No slight extension because the forums were down about an hour?
Regardless, huh what's explanation could use better formatting, but I think it's ok. Some of the points are original enough like the last sentence he has. That leaves me ok with lynching Pesco over K4U so I'm not going to switch.
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HW, your reasoning for voting Pesco is 'K4U's flip tells us about Pesco, therefore Pesco's flip tells us about K4U'. You're missing the point. Indeed, there's a lot of cheerleading the K4U lynch in here without you ever saying you find her scummy.
The reason I said that first point above is that Rou specifically called out a scumteam pairing.
Consisting of the two players I found most suspicious. The fact that the pair also had some thoroughly awkward relations doesn't do much to help.
I've been giving it some thought, and after HW's latest input I'm considering shifting to K4U for the day. lolgutvote is still pretty horrible, and her refusal to do anything other than stick to her gut does nothing to help Town. It's like she's trying to get away with the Assassin game meta of 'I know what I'm doing, so I can do whatever I like'.
And finally, to factor in if K4U is indeed Town, she is going by gut just like the previous game.
This is the sort of atmosphere I'm not fine with.
- She never went by gut in Assassin, she followed the dull and dreary theory.
- Assassin is a totally different game from C9. Failing to contribute in Assassin is apparently pro-Town. Failing to contribute in C9 is a terrible idea for Town.
Indeed, the fact you even termed it like that makes me think a great deal less of you.
Besides that, her flip is more informative than people give it credit for. If she flips scum, then we turn our suspicions on either Pesco for his reluctance to vote her, or to huh what for his fluffy explanation as he evened up the wagons. Perhaps even Kiro following his over-generous misrep of K4U. If she flips Town, Pesco looks a lot better in that holding away from voting a Townie is not the sort of mistake scum are liable to make.
In comparison, I'm not sure how much info we get from the Pesco flip. If he flips scum, then we look to K4U for his reluctance to vote her. If he flips Town, well, we don't really have much on anyone.
Plus I'm pretty sure Pesco knows better than to deliberately try pissing me off when he's scum. So yeah.
##Unvote, Hammer: K4U
Ninja'd by irrelevant huh what IIoA.
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Wow on second thought that post is probably unreadable. Ah well, too lazy to respost with more usage of the enter key.
But yeah, what I said about Pesco and K4U in my post voting for him still stands too. Plus I feel that Pesco hasn't actually been attempting to press people/scumhunt/etc very much at all beyond K4U, which as I already said, comes off really awkward because of how he didn't vote in the initial interaction. The rest of his posts have been defending himself or saying very littl-
Oh hi Rou ninja. Doesn't matter now I guess but I'd rather get this posted anyway.
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HW, I really hope you repost that wall of what the fuck later with better formatting when D2 starts.
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Yeah sure.
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Really quick on Roukan's point: K4U went by gut in not hammering you on D1 of Assassin. That's what I was referring to.
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Kitten4u has been lynched.
She was Alice Margatroid, Vanilla Townie.
Night begins now and ends at 4:30 pm EST tomorrow. Night actions not sent in by that time will be randomized.
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So, I just now noticed how much of my ruleset Zak steals
Thief >=[
Deal with it, Ze*
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"Come on! I want to play, too!"
"Sorry, but we're already in the middle of something."
"I don't care! I'm going to join anyway!"
Kilgamayan is now playing.
"If that's the case, then you have been nightkilled."
"What?"
Kilgamayan, playing Cirno, Vanilla Icecream, was killed Night 1.
With Six people left, it takes 4 votes for a majority.
Next Deadline is Thursday 15th, 4:30 pm EST.
"...You guys are just being mean to me."
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Damn...these scum are good. NKing Kilga like that.
You know who Kilga caught in Haruhi mafia? Pesco and Rou.
##Vote: Pesco
Mostly serious vote based on K4Us flip and the behaviors surround the two wagons.
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##Vote HW
Very fluffy L-1 yesterday. Swinging in the equalizer vote on me while K4U was the decider, you'd get her to hammer me and take the fall for it.
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Oh, yeah, I still want a better formatted post from HW
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Well piss.
Just goes to show that I have no idea how to use this confangled Time Traveler role.
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##Unvote
Well, just realized we are in mylo. Any ideas on the viability of a) massclaim and b) no lynch?
Massclaim would only really be worthwhile if we lynch today, and it's value is of course varying based on set up.
No lynch...I honestly don't know if that has a purpose or not.
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I've gotta take my modem in for replacement right now so I can't type up anything of detail right now. Hopefully I won't have problems with connectivity after I get it back.
Pesco is probably the most suspicious due to his vote on K4U and how the wagons shifted around between him and K4U. Not really believing of his HW vote right now. Does he as a Townie really think HW deserves the most scrutiny over any of the K4U voters? It only makes sense if he thinks Scum completely distanced themselves from the K4U mislynch and I'm not under the impression he suspects me right now.
Rou is also up there as well for the switch and hammer. The meta point at the end of his #82 also feels like an unnatural add on about Pesco that really doesn't say a damn thing about how Pesco could be innocent.
Will reread when I have the chance.
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I'm fine with massclaiming. I'll start if we're going through with it.
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Hmm...you seem rather eager to start, don't you Pesco.
But, that in and of itself is telling. We should probably do this popcorn style, and vote on who should start. I'm fine with Pesco starting, so that's 2 for him.
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Saying this again, but after K4U's flip Pesco slips down on my suspicions. I see no reason scum!Pesco wouldn't place a vote on K4U immediately when he was pressuring her. Scum would obviously want to promote her mislynch, so holding that pressure back by not adding votes to it doesn't seem productive. (Clarifying this since I apparently didn't make it clear enough in #82).
Also fine with Pesco starting. I don't think we have enough RL time for a No Lynch today, otherwise Affinity might have to leave before the game is over. :<
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Better formatting/rewritten somewhat etc:
First of all RVS. Don't think the "Pesco avoiding OMGUSing!!" thing really counts for much at this point, but still. In #27, rather than actually respond to the actual vote on his about that, he just says that Rou sucks which feels like he's trying to avoid the situation (even though it wasn't exactly serious).
#37 could feels like he's digging for information on who would vote Rou if scum were to attempt to get Rou mislynched by the end of the day. If K4U was with Pesco, he could have been attempting to blame the mislynch on her instead.
His unvote seems kind of derpy as well, since he didn't really have anybody else to place it on and Rou wasn't exactly close to being lynched. Plus despite questioning K4U he doesn't attempt to really put any pressure on her at all and it just kind of seems like he goes "oh ok" and backs off until #61 where he actually votes her, which is odd.
#65 is a decent excuse... or at least it would be if he had actually voted K4U when he unvoted. A vote would add more pressure on her even while she's not being questioned, yet he avoids doing so for some reason. #67 does not really explain anything at all, he could at least say why he wasn't ready. According to #69 there wasn't anything voteworthy, but apparently there was enough to pressure her about her gut, so not voting her was counterproductive as it could have gotten more out of her (like what could have been more reasons to vote). Also note that there wasn't much voteworthy for other people either at that point.
#75 complains about my fluffiness (derp) but apparently he doesn't want to take the time to go into detail (which I've noticed a lot from him, ugh) or address anything else.
Should be somewhat readable now. I still feel like Pesco is consistently refusing to go into detail about anything, which is mildly irritating. This includes his vote for me as well. Currently fine with him roleclaiming.
Seems kind of like Rou was somewhat inactive compared to everyone else D1 for some reason. He mainly just argued with Pesco then hammered K4U later, which felt kinda abrupt to me. It doesn't really look bad or anything, I just didn't notice his presence as much as everyone else's. (Though he could have been quickly trying to hammer K4U to prevent a Pesco hammer if he's scum in a team with Pesco or something. If this is the case, though, it could have been a reason why Pesco asked K4U if she wanted Rou lynched. Pesco/Rou scumteam seems really unlikely to me, though, but I felt the theory might be worth pointing out at least)
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So be it.
Cop with a guilty on HW.
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Insane cop? :V
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Forgot this.
##Vote: Pesco, on the grounds that I know I'm town, so he's either insane or a liar.
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Hmm...You do realize cops are sanity guaranteed in a C9. Pesco is either lying or the cop.
Reserving judgement on that.
Pesco, who should claim next? Probably HW I guess.
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Writing up a post right now. Requesting that no one roleclaim, since Pesco is probably scum and rolefishing.
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Oh wait, UK suggested that. Still, don't roleclaim.
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You know, your statements aren't helping huh what. You know your alignment. You know that cops are sane in this game.
Also, what's the point of rolefishing? It's massclaim time, all the roles are coming out ANYWAY.
So why probably or maybe? If you are town, you KNOW Pesco is scum. If you are scum, you KNOW Pesco is the cop (or bussing you, but given the 50% chance of cops in this set up, well :V)
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Does the wording really matter in this case? Since I know either way, probably should not really alter the meaning of the post too much.
I was thinking he could be eagerly supporting the massclaim because he was scum attempting to draw out the other roles (and a cop claim would support this), but then I realized we only have like one day left if we lynch scum today so yeah I guess it doesn't matter.
Anyway I'm Hina Kagiyama, Vanilla Townie. To me lynching Pesco is obviously the best option at this point. Most of the previous statements against Pesco still stand (and now it looks like he easily could have been trying to set up a K4U mislynch), and he has been generally been avoiding expanding upon his posts throughout the game, or at least it seems like that to me. I find it rather likely that Pesco and his partner (possibly Rou?) were expecting that Pesco would be lynched today and attempted to pass the suspicion onto me with the claim instead, since I'd be the second most likely based on the end of D1. Since the game is in mylo, they were probably expecting that I'd get hammered and they'd win the game.
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HW: Pick the next person to claim please.
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Requesting UK roleclaim.
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I buy the claim, for the reasons I've already stated. Looking at D1 as well, the Huh What wagon collapsed about as quickly as the Pesco wagon formed, so consider me just about sold.
##Vote: huh what
HW, why shouldn't we claim? RL time constraints mean we pretty much need to lynch today before Affinity has to leave, so it's effectively Lylo.
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Did you read my roleclaim post?
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Did you read my roleclaim post?
It ninja'd me. :V
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I'm a doctor Jim!
Kiro was last nights protect. He is about 90% confirmed town.
I reserve the last 10% for Pesco scum coming up with a crazy no kill gambit for the win.
Rou, claim.
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I claim Komachi, 'nilla Town.
Assuming all claims are true, the only team that makes sense to me now is huh what/Affinity. And I can't think of much against UK at least, given that she was the first to start action seriously yesterday, so I'm happy enough with believing her for now.
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That's a big assumption thar Rou. Regardless, who do you want to claim next?
Dear god, you all suck at popcorn.
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That's a big assumption thar Rou.
I know I'm Town, Pesco's cop claim was too early and ambitious to be a gambit, and you've pretty much confirmed yourself and Kiro. That leaves huh what and Affinity via a process of elimination.
I'd like Affinity to claim next.
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I know I'm Town, Pesco's cop claim was too early and ambitious to be a gambit
In what way? Note that we're in mylo, so it's in no way too early for him to win the game by getting me hammered.
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One thing about Pesco's claim. There's a 50% chance there is no cop. Further, why didn't he just claim it in his first post? And of course, the other 50% chance makes it a 1 v. 1 between Pesco and the counterclaimer, which is also good for scum since there's a chance the cop will be lynched. As for me, there's always a chance that scum either no killed or were REALLY daring and killed scum Kiro so that I'd think he was town, since A+ MotK doc play is basically "protect Kiro".
Nothing is CERTAIN, but some things are more probable. I think it is most probably Kiro is town, so I'm willing to accept that. I am not yet sold on the probability that Pesco is a cop, but also not sold that he is not a cop.
However, HW's reaction was classic scum play. First attacking the sanity, so it's more friendly like "well, maybe we aren't both scum" (i.e., HW knows he's caught and subconsciously projects Pesco town). Then after sanity issues are thrown out he finally votes Pesco for lying. The delay between the two bothers me. Also, the use of probably and likely lying, etc, are kinda subconscious scumtells as well when confronted with a guilty.
So, that's why I'm about 50/50 on Pesco's claim and want massclaim to resolve ASAP.
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However, HW's reaction was classic scum play. First attacking the sanity, so it's more friendly like "well, maybe we aren't both scum" (i.e., HW knows he's caught and subconsciously projects Pesco town). Then after sanity issues are thrown out he finally votes Pesco for lying.
Uh, no, I voted Pesco a minute after posting about sanity since I forgot it in my immediate post, not after you said he had to be sane.
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Ah, you're right. Not quite as damning but even broaching the insane option doesn't seem very good.
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In what way? Note that we're in mylo, so it's in no way too early for him to win the game by getting me hammered.
Claiming cop as the first claim when there are no confirmed (i.e. dead) PRs is insanely risky. Considering the information already out there against him, a counterclaim probably has a better than 50% chance of getting him killed (since I seem to be the only one who thinks Pesco's hesitation in voting a Townie is a Town tell).
UK: The 'not killing Kiro' theory only really holds if scum knows a doc is out there and liable to be fooled. Otherwise they've dropped a kill for nothing, so I think it's more likely that you just guessed right.
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Note how I said that Kiro is 90+% confirmed in my eyes. I'm just allowing for outliers.
And it would mostly depend on who counterclaimed, really, with regards to pesco preemptively counterclaiming a cop.
But, as I said, reserving judgement til claims end.
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(since I seem to be the only one who thinks Pesco's hesitation in voting a Townie is a Town tell).
Somewhat glad you brought this up, because this could be another point against him depending on how you paint it. Since Pesco is scum, he obviously knew K4U was town. Perhaps he was waiting for somebody else to vote her so it didn't look like he was the one starting a wagon on a townie? He was already under slight, if not silly, suspicion at that point.
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Since Pesco is scum, he obviously knew K4U was town. Perhaps he was waiting for somebody else to vote her so it didn't look like he was the one starting a wagon on a townie?
That would make it a charge of cheerleading, worse still than actually leading the mislynch (because you're deliberately trying to avoid association with it).
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Massclaiming? I'm Rin Kaenbyou, Vanilla Townie.
Roukanken is my prime suspect for now, on the account that the switch from post #68 to #82 is horrible; including the throwaway meta points and the rather useless statement that 'if pesco is town nothing can be gained from his lynch etc.', which applies to everyone. Also, the use of the process of elimination to conclude that me and huh what are scum is also laughable, seeing that pesco is not a confirmed cop yet (buying it because of meta doesn't change matters), especially since your pairing on the first day is pesco/K4U. Smacks of very fluid opinions, as usual. Sudden clearing of pesco on the basis of 'hesitation of voting K4U', when he used that as a reason to vote him yesterday (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5682.msg310175#msg310175), is also very very bad. (e.g pesco could have been waiting for other wagons, etc.)
##Vote: Roukanken
I am rather skeptical on pesco's copclaim, judging from his posts. While I said that his questioning seemed town at first, later posts show him avoiding the main accusations levelled against him. For example
Maybe the dust of this has settled too Quickly. (Wtf is up the Q on all the campus computers). Kiro's main gripe with me is that I unvoted Rou. But what was my vote on Rou for in the first place? It was from RVS and since we're out of that, why would my unvote be unnecessary? I have no intention of lynching Rou yet. We've seen L-1 approach very Quickly and if my vote stayed there, Rou would get lynched by consensus of 3 people, not a proper majority.
The point was not the unvote, but the act of not voting K4U at that time even after giving reasons for one. Seemingly mock questioning by Rou gives no results. A copclaim seems like a convenient holy grail to free himself from potential entanglement.
Furthermore, I think huhwhat's reactions to the copclaim is rather town; he has brought up decent, original analysis, and, as he has pointed out, is just as if not less fluffy than pesco has ever been. Going for a pesco/Rou scumpair, but I'm more sure about Rou (pesco can also give us an investigation result again tomorrow, which can only help town).
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Affinity's latest post fills me with...unease. Regardless, Kiro, claim
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Vanilla Townie for me. Now everyone, commence writing your posts!
And holy youchrist Zakeri, your avatar is awesome.
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Here's the thing.
Affinity is almost certainly scum. He is diverting attention from the 1 v. 1 that SHOULD be between Pesco and HW. We have a 50% chance of lynching scum there. Outside of that set...actually is a 100% chance for him if he's protown, and a 50% chance to everyone else.
I didn't think that one through did I.
So, here's what we likely have:
Pesco - Cop?
Rou - VT?
Affinity - VT?
HW - VT? or mafia?
Kiro - VT
UK - Doctor
I know those last two are true. We have two subdivisions here
HW - VT or Mafia
Pesco - Cop or Mafia
We know that there is a high liklihood only one scum is in this area.
Roukanken - VT or Mafia
Affinity - VT or Mafia
We also know by PoE the other scum is likely here.
This is all information, but it's good to have out there. I think that it might be wise to resolve the cop vs. guilty situation first, but I don't fault Affinity for voting who is essentially certainly scum from a town point of view.
I'll reread Pesco and HW sometime tomorrow, I'd advise others to do the same.
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That would make it a charge of cheerleading, worse still than actually leading the mislynch (because you're deliberately trying to avoid association with it).
Wait, what? I'm not too sure what you're saying here. If you're accusing me of cheerleading, then uh, what? I never actually supported a K4U lynch, I saw Pesco as a bigger target instead for reasons I explained (though in a later post, derp <_< ). Not sure how I was cheerleading, or how I could even try to avoid association with a mislynch since as far as I see it I had little to do with K4U's lynch in the first place. I gave my opinion on it but I didn't actually support it (otherwise I would have, you know, voted her over Pesco). If you could explain where you're getting this from that'd be appreciated.
Pretty sure of Pesco/Rou scumteam at this point, already posted a few theories about Pesco/Rou right before Pesco copclaimed and now that I know that Pesco is scum and Rou has derped around some more (his sudden constant refusal to even consider Pesco suspicious is odd, and "Affinity/huh what are scum by process of elimination" is really silly, although I guess it kind of makes sense since he counted out the two people who are actually the most scummy!) they seem a bit more likely. Would like Pesco lynched before Rou, though, because I'm absolutely positive Pesco is scum and I'm not sure I like the idea of a phony cop alive during the final day (and I'm kinda confused why Affinity does and wants Rou to die first instead?)
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Well, there is a logic to what Affinity wants. At any rate, I never said that an HW/Affinity team was the only one possible with you. I merely said you and Pesco are unlikely to be scum together, and Rou and Affinity are unlikely to be scum together.
Affinity and Pesco or HW works. Rou and Pesco or HW works (though the latter is unlikely)
But, it'll come down to scumhunting here.
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Actually, I'ma register a gut read now.
Affinity and HW scum.
HW's latest post about "not wanting to keep a phony cop" alive smacks of "Oh shit he might catch my buddy and we'll lose and I don't want to die". I also realized how...Affinity is basically defending HW without outright saying he is.
But, again, this is before I've reread, so yeah.
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As for the supposed mistake of not voting either pesco or HW, it's actually not so different since UK and Kiro are more or less confirmed due to the doc protect. I'm just saying that if pesco is indeed the cop here, it would lead to an additional investigational result, and even if he is scum, that's one more result to point out contradictions from. The 50-50 between me and Roukanken should be more favorable.
Affinity is basically defending HW without outright saying he is.
I am defending HW since it is a 50-50 between pesco and him; pesco is more scummy and so defending him is alright in this situation. None of my supposed defense is without relation to pesco's conduct.
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Except that, uh, if the scumteam turns out to be Pesco/Affinity instead of Pesco/Rou (seems unlikely, but still), then we'll lose. I'm currently neutral in regards to Affinity, but if Rou is innocent he could easily be trying to goad us into getting a mislynch today so we don't have a chance tomorrow. Lynching Pesco would be much safer.
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and the rather useless statement that 'if pesco is town nothing can be gained from his lynch etc.', which applies to everyone
I've already explained that Scum!Pesco has no reason to hesitate voting for Town!K4U when there's no pressure.
Sudden clearing of pesco on the basis of 'hesitation of voting K4U', when he used that as a reason to vote him yesterday (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5682.msg310175#msg310175), is also very very bad.
That was on the suspicion of a K4U/Pesco scumpair, with Pesco trying to not-really press his buddy. With K4U cleared on flip the point doesn't really hold.
Wait, what? I'm not too sure what you're saying here. If you're accusing me of cheerleading, then uh, what? I never actually supported a K4U lynch
It was in response to your 'Maybe Pesco was just waiting for another wagon to show up!' point. If he had done that it would be blatant cheerleading.
Like I said, huh what/Affinity is the pair that makes the most sense to me. Huh what moreso based on Pesco's cop result, but I'm finding it difficult to believe UK's claim is fake or that Scum!Kiro would NK which leaves Affinity behind anyway.
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EBWOP: Scum!Kiro wouldn't NK, sorry.
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@huh what:: But equivalently, what if pesco is a town cop and you are scum with Roukanken? (seems unlikely, but cases have happened before in Bamboo Forest Mafia) I can understand things from your point of view if you are town, but to me, the other 50-50 seems more favorable.
@Rou: The one thing I do not understand is the absolute faith you place on pesco. Saying that pesco had no reason to hold the vote is a WIFOM in itself; it could be to confuse as it could be to wait for another wagon to jump on. Clearing him based on this in contrast to the K4U/pesco scumpair you pushed seems very forced and unreasonable. As for the not-really-pressing; scum can do that to his buddy as well as he can do it to town to give the illusion of scumhunting, for instance.
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The one thing I do not understand is the absolute faith you place on pesco. Saying that pesco had no reason to hold the vote is a WIFOM in itself; it could be to confuse as it could be to wait for another wagon to jump on.
Rather than latch on to a rather decent point about K4U? I don't recall Scum!Pesco ever being particularly hesitant.
As for the not-really-pressing; scum can do that to his buddy as well as he can do it to town to give the illusion of scumhunting, for instance.
Except that illusion usually works better with a vote. Regardless of affiliation Pesco's pressing but not voting is bad play, but it's less likely to be bad scummy play which is what matters.
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Here's the deal. Given what we know, and barring some ridiculously risky gambit from Pesco (which is actually why I want to resolve the cop/guilty thing first), Affinity and Rou can't be scum together. Therefore, their most logical vote is each other, though they'll eventually have to agree to vote for whoever gets lynched (duh).
While I am open to Affinity/Pesco (He conveniently sidesteps the issue of voting Pesco, though there are town motivated reasons possible for that), it's not as likely as Affinity/HW. Same with all names reversed for Rou/Pesco/HW.
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Except that illusion usually works better with a vote.
True, but one can give that illusion without wanting to commit, and not wanting to commit is often a scumtell by any means.
A more important question; why would you say that pesco is surely town from that minor observation?
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1. Affinity - (0)
2. Uncertain Kitten - (0)
3. Pesco - (1) UncertainKitten, huh what
4. Huh What - (2) Pesco, Roukanken
5. Roukanken - (1) Affinity
6. Kiro - (0)
Not Voting - (2) UncertainKitten, Kiro
With Six players, it four votes for a majority.
You have, like, more than forty hours left, though (Too tired to count).
And holy youchrist Zakeri, your avatar is awesome.
I know! Doesn't she look so precious?
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Here's the quick breakdown: I think Pesco and Rou are scum. And I was going to talk about Rou, HW, and Pesco, but I've cut down on the HW and Pesco sections and decided I really only need to talk about Rou. Pesco follows suit as Rou's scumbuddy.
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Let's "Keep It Simple Stupid." Rou's switch and hammer is downright scummy. Rou voted Pesco earlier and then at 9 minutes before deadline with a L-1 tie in the balance, hammers a Townie. Implications are obvious. Let's review his reasoning for switching to K4U.
I've been giving it some thought, and after HW's latest input I'm considering shifting to K4U for the day. lolgutvote is still pretty horrible, and her refusal to do anything other than stick to her gut does nothing to help Town. It's like she's trying to get away with the Assassin game meta of 'I know what I'm doing, so I can do whatever I like'.
Notice that Rou first qualifies his thoughts with "after HW's input." Why was huh what's reasoning enough to deter your suspicions about Pesco? Feels like a deflection of responsibility right there. You kinda take potshots at me too, but you didn't explicitly say "after Kiro's input" either. And in examining the quote above, the points he levies against K4U are bad things about her, but not scummy things. gutvote is bad, but not necessarily scummy in Day 1. Stick to her gut is bad, but not necessarily scummy in Day 1. And the meta comment is only speculating. And of course, she flipped Town. So his reasoning to vote K4U is very flawed.
Plus I'm pretty sure Pesco knows better than to deliberately try pissing me off when he's scum. So yeah.
What? I don't understand this at all. If that's the primary thing that caused you to clear Pesco above K4U, then I've got nothing else to say except that it absolutely sucks.
In Day 2, Rou believes Pesco's claim so fully that he votes huh what to L-2 which would ordinarily be the threshold we don't cross with these numbers. Impression is that in his relative haste to vote, he's trying to reinforce this case for the rest of us. Where's the restraint Rou? Rou's reasoning is pretty much stated in #116: that it'd be too much of a gambit to do. But objectively, that's not true. Pesco was already a top suspect heading into Day 2 so the gambit of having to compete with a rival copclaim is only a small risk to him considering how close he was to the chopping block in Day 1. And let's face it, meta wise, Pesco is capable of doing it. Why are you not willing to consider that? The KISS answer is that you are scum with him and this is an all-in move.
Rou's insistence on Pesco's roleclaim being true feels too brazen to be that of careful Townie play. Because if we lynch Pesco and Pesco flips scum, Rou shoots himself up the suspicion list possibly dooming Town. I am not willing to believe Town Roukan could make this kind of a mistake: that he believes in his meta impressions of Pesco so much to not only clear him in Day 2, but at the end of a Day 1 as well when there is nothing solid to work off of. And it's not comforting to see this type of defense continue in #134 and #137.
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Regarding huh what: there's less objective information to work with, but the short of it is that his statements don't make it feel like he has a scumbuddy to talk to. The back and forth with UK feels pretty free-form and unrestrained on his part. UK kinda baits HW in certain ways and HW gets caught up with it a bit, yet his answers are decent.
Let's also not ignore the simple fact that he could have hammered K4U, but decided to vote Pesco instead. He was not on the mislynch wagon and while his #79 is hard to read, it makes sense from him saying it as a Townie so it passes.
You're all finding inconsistencies with him in Day 2, but that feels more like a Townie adjusting to new information rather than part of a scumpair with a plan in mind. His mistakes like saying the cop could be insane are not scummy mistakes and not even really possible scumtells. They're just null slipups. Otherwise, his points in Day 2 are all fair.
In other words, he hasn't voted poorly and he hasn't said anything anything that makes me suspicious. He actually feels the most Townie to me out of everyone minus the fact that UK is the doc.
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Regarding Pesco: Pesco's actions I have decided are not really reliable indicators of anything. His spacy behavior is fitting for both a scum playing loosely and a cop sort of treading the middle ground to avoid actually being killed on N1. His early vote on K4U matches either scenario and so does his late Day 1 questioning of HW and early Day 2 actions. So I don't feel there's anything objective enough to bring to the table on that and don't want to engage in WIFOM circles with him.
But on a personal level, there are 2 things that make me lean scum on him. One, is obviously my feelings of huh what being innocent as stated above. Two, is that acting slightly scummy and then coming out with the roleclaim on a LYLO day is just terrible strategizing. He'd have to be absolutely confident that we lynched Scum Day 1, but judging from his halfhearted comments about K4U and other players in general, it doesn't really feel like he made the effort to scumhunt to that end. That in itself is also scummy.
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I can understand why Affinity wants to lynch Rou first. Without the copclaim conflict, Rou is probably the single most scummy player in the game now. And a Rou scumflip almost certainly seals the deal that Pesco is lying since Rou pushed hard enough for HW's lynch. Scum Rou's actions don't make sense for him to bus Scum HW because 1) he wouldn't have bothered to do the hammer switch on Day 1 since both wagons would have been Townie and 2) he would have had no idea Pesco was actually a cop and investigated HW and probably would have gone against Pesco to secure the Day 2 mislynch instead for the win.
Let's face it, the Townies amongst us can argue circles between Pesco and huh what, but if we can all agree on Rou as Scum, just lynch Rou first and logic pretty much dictates that Pesco follows. That's kind of how I see it. Affinity doesn't strike me nearly as scummy as Rou and I'm not willing to believe that Affinity is just ultra lurking scum while Rou is playing the absolute worst game as a Townie as possible.
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Oh god, it didn't look that long in Notepad...
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Skim read, and here's the deal.
There has been no counterclaim to my cop claim and does my investigate of HW make sense to you guys? For the reasons I gave in my vote post, that was why I investigated him.
He's the scum in front of me, so that's all for me today.
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I'm okay with lynching Rou since I've already said that I think he's the most likely partner for Pesco. I still feel really iffy about Pesco, but if killing off Rou is going to actually get things done rather faster rather than arguments regarding me and Pesco, I'm willing to support a Rou lynch.
Come to think of it, killing off Rou may actually be better. If he flips scum then there is no real reason for Pesco to not be lynched the following day, while if we lynch Pesco, we'll have to choose between Affinity and Rou. The only thing that worries me is that I know Pesco is scum while I'm only just really suspicious of Rou. Risk might be worth taking, though.
Going to hold off from changing my vote for now, though. Gonna let UK reread and Pesco actually give a response that isn't like 2-3 sentences.
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Skim read, and here's the deal.
There has been no counterclaim to my cop claim and does my investigate of HW make sense to you guys? For the reasons I gave in my vote post, that was why I investigated him.
He's the scum in front of me, so that's all for me today.
meets
Regarding Pesco: Pesco's actions I have decided are not really reliable indicators of anything. His spacy behavior is fitting for both a scum playing loosely and a cop sort of treading the middle ground to avoid actually being killed on N1. His early vote on K4U matches either scenario and so does his late Day 1 questioning of HW and early Day 2 actions. So I don't feel there's anything objective enough to bring to the table on that and don't want to engage in WIFOM circles with him.
I planned for Pesco's response. Btw Pesco, from your viewpoint, who's HW's scumbuddy and why?
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The biggest candidates from my seat for HW's buddy are Affinity and Rou.
Rou's knee-jerk vote could easily be scumRou going oshitoshittheresacopandhecaughtscum. D1, his parroting shows weak scumhunting and little autonomous thought.
Affinity was pretty absent D1 and his presence can not be called all that great. You can only lurk if you can deliver, Affinity hasn't delivered enough. Starting a counter wagon to investigation results is pretty damn scummy.
Affinity is probably HW's buddy. Rou is meta-scummy while Affinity is factual scummy. HW cheering Rou's lynch simply boosts this likelihood.
Who is HW's buddy according to Kiro?
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By process of elimination, it'd have to be Affinity. But I do not believe Affinity/HW to be the case over Pesco/Rou for reasons I've already mentioned.
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Here's another point: townies don't bargain with uncertainties when they know 100% someone is scum.
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@pesco: Point is I am not sure that HW is 100% scum, because you could be scum too. What I'm sure of is that Roukanken is 100% scum from my point of view.
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Mod confirmation >> your reading >> scum that know the setup and are telling lies.
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... mod confirmation?
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Notice that Rou first qualifies his thoughts with "after HW's input." Why was huh what's reasoning enough to deter your suspicions about Pesco?
It was enough to convince me that a K4U/huh what team was possible as well, given his fluffy voting and nonsensical reason for voting Pesco ahead of K4U. As such, I decided the K4U lynch was a better idea given that a) she had two potential buddies, and b) Pesco looked a lot better if she flipped Town.
gutvote is bad, but not necessarily scummy in Day 1. Stick to her gut is bad, but not necessarily scummy in Day 1.
Sticking to her gut and subsequently refusing to discuss any of the serious cases that had shown up? Scummy, if you ask me.
What? I don't understand this at all. If that's the primary thing that caused you to clear Pesco above K4U, then I've got nothing else to say except that it absolutely sucks.
This is a side point. I've already said about five trillion times that Pesco being hesitant to vote Town!K4U but then unvoting feels like bad Town play rather than bad scum play. Leaving his vote nowhere would make his subsequent lack of a vote on K4U very, very obvious, and scum are more likely to go out of their way to avoid drawing that sort of attention to themselves.
Rou's reasoning is pretty much stated in #116: that it'd be too much of a gambit to do. But objectively, that's not true. Pesco was already a top suspect heading into Day 2 so the gambit of having to compete with a rival copclaim is only a small risk to him considering how close he was to the chopping block in Day 1. And let's face it, meta wise, Pesco is capable of doing it. Why are you not willing to consider that? The KISS answer is that you are scum with him and this is an all-in move.
I've given my reasoning, and since I only have a quiet day 1 to work with I don't understand why I'm expected to produce any more.
I am not willing to believe Town Roukan could make this kind of a mistake: that he believes in his meta impressions of Pesco so much to not only clear him in Day 2, but at the end of a Day 1 as well when there is nothing solid to work off of.
What does this even mean? 'We have no serious evidence so he's bad for trying to read into voting patterns and deciding that Pesco not voting K4U was NOT A SCUMMY MISTAKE!'
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I'm going to the college today but dear god people do you have to use quote stripes? They are about the most annoying format of a post to read EVER. They are, fortunately, easier here given the low contrast, but it still interrupts your post with a color schema change when LINKING the post would work just as well.
Yes, I know, I used to use quote stripes like mad, but I've kinda realized how fucking annoying they are. Further, they make a small post a lot bigger which could be considered slightly scummy obfuscation of your points.
So, please, TRY to not post in the Quote/OnelinerResponse/Quote/Onelinerresponse format. I'm not completely against quotes, but you really shouldn't need more than two or three in a post, when you could link and summarize the counterpoints you have. It's slightly more work for you, but it also helps the town a lot more than quote stripes.
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Rou: You seem to be misunderstanding why I initially found Pesco scummy back in Day 1. It's not really about Pesco's voting pattern, but that he wasn't scumhunting. The inconsequential exchange with K4U and curious lack of reactions against him was what prompted my vote and I may have still voted him even if he had voted K4U on the first go-around.
Also, why you're willing to clear Pesco based not on what he had done, but what HW and K4U had done is not proper scumhunting. Hold Pesco responsible for his poor actions, like how you first did in #62-68. Your current defense of Pesco is not only a 180 degree turn, but for highly WIFOM reasons. I don't see it as misguided Townie play, but as coordinated Scum play.
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UK: Noted.
Kiro: Seriously, stop misrepping me. I am not clearing Pesco based on K4U's actions, I simply decided at the end of day 1 that since I could see valid reasoning for both Pesco/K4U and huh what/K4U scumpairs that K4U was the logical choice. The clear came after K4U's flip - at which point his earlier reluctance to press K4U came across to me as severely non-scummy. Mislynches cannot happen without scum pressure, and scum pressure cannot happen without votes. At L-2, maybe even L-3, Scum!Pesco has reason to be afraid. But when he has a half-decent reason to move away from his joke-vote and vote someone at L-4, there should be no reason for him not to take it. My D1 vote came because I suspected the pair as a scumpair trying to subtly distance from each other - with that theory out the window, my points against Pesco don't hold.
I've made my point as clear as I can, and I see no reason to get questioned on a point I've already made several times over. I believe Pesco's claim, and as such I'm happy with huh what going down today.
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Pesco: Except, you know, you were never modconfirmed? Also, UK already pointed the "if" thing out, but it shouldn't really change the way my posts are read very much, and how is it even a scumtell? It's a slipup, but townies can make slipups like that too, and I don't see how scum is more likely to.
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The mod confirmed to me that you are scum.
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There has been no Change in voting
There has however been a change in time. 19 and a half hours remain.
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I am still keeping my vote on the account that pesco is being severely anti-town and that I still do not find Rou's explanation plausible for his absolute faith in pesco. It really does seem like an artificial clear, from the looks of it.
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Ergh, the lack of questions from UK, who has posted a gut hunch that the scum team is HW and Affinity, is a bit worrying with deadline approaching.
I'm pretty confident on the Rou/Pesco idea so I'll vote Rou sometime soon while we wait for any last questions. That way, we can get at least 3 votes on one of the 2 since Affinity likely won't be around to change his vote.
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I kinda was anti mafia yesterday. still am. I really, really, don't even want to reread this short game.
I really don't know what to do. I could probably support a Rou lynch, but that doesn't feel right to me. Of course, I have no support for anything since I barely feel like reviewing this game.
I'm half tempted to just full speed ahead on HW and take the blame for the loss if we are wrong.
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##Unvote
##Vote Roukanken
Most of the reasons have already been stated, seems like the most likely partner for Pesco, etc. His constant defense of Pesco seems incredibly odd to me, especially considering that he seems to go about it unnaturally. Pesco was not looking very great D1, how is he suddenly perfect and trusted once he docclaims?
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UK: Which is why I wanted to hear something from you anyways.
The summary of the WoT I've got is that Rou switched and hammered and that his clear of Pesco's gambit, that it's too risky to do, is a bad clear. Furthermore, neither of them are pushing forth a reason why HW is scum. For Pesco, it's acceptable because he has the "cop result." But for Rou, he's not offering up enough supporting evidence. He's banking primarily on Pesco's claim and is highly defensive of it. I don't see it as Townie play on Rou's end.
I'm not willing to imagine anything super fancy is going on. This is a simple enough setup. If it's HW/Affinity, then Pesco is just being stubbornly silent and not talking about Affinity's role in this whole thing is bleh. I don't want you to "take the loss" for Town because we don't want to lose. Affinity and HW are saying Pesco/Rou along with me. Since you know I'm Townie, just go along with me. If we're wrong, we share the loss equally. But I don't want one rogue to screw it up per se.
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Is it ironic that the first scummy post I see comes from mostly confirmed town? here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5682.msg309458#msg309458), and further it's with the ONLY pairing I'd accept my confirmed to...not be confirmed if that makes sense? But, it's kinda small to throw away my doctor result.
I love how this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5682.msg309506#msg309506) post is HW chastising Pesco than backing him off L-1. But yeah.
Let's count the Huh Waffles!
one (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5682.msg309730#msg309730)
two (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5682.msg309751#msg309751)
three (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5682.msg309763#msg309763)
Is this guy scared of me or something :S?
Huh, guess not (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5682.msg309770#msg309770). Either way, three waffles before committing? That's...interesting.
Honestly, I feel like I should be getting stuff from posts after this, but I'm not. At best I'm getting that HW doesn't feel like he's scum with Pesco (yes, I know, change from earlier)
And, Pesco starts D2 like a cop would, though if he planned it as scum he would have anyway...
Rou, why do you post like this? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5682.msg311474#msg311474) This REALLY feels like you are setting up Pesco for his cop claim as scumbuddies.
Really, Rou, really? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5682.msg311565#msg311565) I don't know what it is, but this post REALLY feels like "YAY! MY SCUMBUDDY GOT AWAY WITH IT! QUICK, QUICKLYNCH!"
this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5682.msg311679#msg311679) feels...rehearsed? As if Pesco and Rou discussed what they'd do in any event with or without a cop.
And then this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5682.msg311801#msg311801) HW post is all kinds of terrible, wtf? Honestly, leaving the cop alive, fakeclaim or not is quite logical since it forces him to give results, which can be analyzed. (And also keeps real cop results alive)
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tl;dr:
Affinity needs to exist
Rou could be scum, but more likely with Pesco
HW could be scum, but more likely with Affinity.
I get bad vibes from Rou's interactions with Pesco
I get bad vibes from HW's interactions with Pesco.
Honestly, I'm going to vote HW
##Unvote, Vote Huh What
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Ergh, please read the bottom of my #163.
And also, you pointed out 3 instances of suspected collusion between Pesco and Rou and are still going to go on a mostly gut vote.
Finally, one thing about Pesco's copclaim. Let's say we lynch Rou today and he flips scum. Pesco will probably be alive tomorrow and guess what? He's going to scan Affinity and say "innocent." That's because the only possible Scum left in any scenario of his is HW. Leaving the cop alive in this game has no more added benefit because of the doc claim clearing UK and myself.
In conclusion, there's less need to bash HW's post than you think. In the meanwhile:
##Vote Roukanken
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/me sighs
I hope like hell you are right. I'm probably missing something which is why I can't explain the HW feeling I have, but...we need a lynch so
##Unvote, Vote Roukanken
Is that L-1 or lynch?
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That would be lynch I believe.
The game seems to be more or less decided now. Let's just see if we're right or wrong.
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Usually I'd have waited til deadline but honestly, I wasn't gonna get an HW lynch I don't think.
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1. Affinity - (0)
2. Uncertain Kitten - (0)
3. Pesco - (0) UncertainKitten, huh what
4. Huh What - (2) Pesco, Roukanken, Uncertain Kitten
5. Roukanken - (4) Affinity, huh what, Kiro, Uncertainkitten
6. Kiro - (0)
Not Voting - (0) No sissies here.
Roukanken has been lynched. He was Komachi Onozuka, Vanilla Townie.
Speaking of Rou[w], Guess which creak you're up without a paddle?
Please turn in all night actions before Friday 16th, 2:30 pm EST.
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I feel like people believe me more often when I'm fakeclaiming.
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Fucking told you.
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I feel like people believe me more often when I'm fakeclaiming.
You do realize the game isn't over yet? If UK successfully protects tonight we'll still have another day. Thanks for confirming it was fake just in case she does, though.
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At Scum's request and with permission from the doctor, Night ends now.
...With the Game.
huh what, who was Hina Kagiyama, Vanilla townie was killed night 2. With two townies left against two mafiosi, the Mafia wins.
"He-hey, Wait a minute!" UncertainKitten, Reimu Hakurei Town Doctor complained. "Why didn't you shoot me, or Kiro?
"Because," Pesco, Reisen Udongein Inaba, Mafia Goon, replied slyly "huh what was the only townie left we knew you wouldn't protect!"
"Oh." She said plainly.
Kiro, who was still Remillia Scarlet, Vanilla Townie walked up between the group. "Very well then. Now, what did we stake on this game? I Know we only played for fun, but..."
"Oh, I forgot to say it before, did I?" Affinity shouted. "It was Miss Satori's delicious cookies! Whoever was on the winning side got to split them!" Rin Kaenbyou, Mafia Goon then began to hand half of her hault of cookies to Reisen. "Thank you." Reisen said politely. She was glad she wasn't suddenly gapped away from her work without some reward. "In any case, I should return to Eientei."
"Yes, that reminds me, I should return to the Mansion as well."
"It looks like Hina, Komachi and Alice already left, too. I'm not allowed to share these cookies with Reimu anymore, so I'll go home, too."
And with that, Reimu was left with a Shrine even more in need of sweeping than before. "Guess I'll go make some tea, then." She muttered.
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:3c
gj scum. Probably was a lot derpier than I should have been this game, but I feel like I learned more in this than I did in haruhi mafia. I guess I should have known better than to go with Affinity's suggestion, but ah well. I'm really curious what Rou was trying to do, though, because it seriously felt like he was setting himself up to be lynched.
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Bleh, I doubt I'll play in such a small game again. I really can't function at all without info, which is why I always lurk D1. Sorry for derpiness etc. I've been majorly off my game lately, I need to brush up on stuff.
Anyway, gg scum etc.
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Well done. You picked the only target I WOULDN'T protect. But yeah...damn, that just sucked...
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This game was absolutely inexcusable. With an open setup like this one there is no reason to not vote for one of the two people embroiled in the cop claim conflict. Good Lord. That was an actual factual 100% guarantfuckingteed situation where someone involved was scum. Roukan vs. Affinity was not at all a guarantee and should have been placed on the back burner. huh what's flip to Roukan in particular is simply mindboggling - you knew for a fact Pesco was scum. Your vote should have been on him like glue the entire day.
Not to mention both bofh and myself staked about a billion imaginary forum bucks on Kiro being scum based on his terrible Day 1. Dude should count himself really lucky UK went ahead and docced him anyway.
The only good thing to come out of this game was Affinity getting to walk away with a win.
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Honestly, I figured by protecting Kiro, I'd either succeed, or I'd see someone else die and gun for Kiro all day tomorrow. And had a higher than average percent chance of being right about him being scum since he wasn't killed.
Which is really quite sad.
Anyway, yeah, this game sucked. I blame inactivity and lack of critical thinking, both of which I am guilty of.
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Hey I made the best possible play for my position as scum there too with the copclaim gambit.
But yeah, town learnt absolutely nothing from the WoT in the last post-game discussion.
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Mod Notes:
"Hey, Random.org!"
"What is it, Zakeri?"
"Who should I make the Doctor?"
"UncertainKitten!"
"You said that last time...
Who should I make Scum?"
"Pesco!"
"You said that last time, too...
But, I need a second scum as well! Who should I make that?"
"Umm ... Why not the Person who the VIP claimed that you made scum last game because it was his special game?"
"..."
"Just do it."
"Okay..."
This is why you never outguess the mod. Because if you're right, the game isn't fun anyway, so everyone loses.
Also, Poor Alice. She really wanted those cookies.
UK's play in the first part of Day 2 was impressive, as well as Kiro's play at the end of day one.You two had such a strong grip on how the setup looked like that I was really surprised that neither of the scum had No bandwagoning on them by the end of the day.
I apologize to the mafia, for giving UK a Meta clear. Part of the doctor wifom is that scum could no kill, and since I implied that wouldn't happen, that completely cleared UK and mostly cleared Kiro.
Any good gambiter (Which, if Pesco isn't one then I don't know what is) Knows that if you're going to claim cop as scum, you should be preparing to claim from Night Zero.
I have no clue what Roukanken was trying to do either. It looked to me like he was trying to deny his hand was in the cookie jar while everyone was clear to see the cookie jar with which his hand is in. His argument largely seemed to consist of him clearing Pesco due to cheerleading K4u's wagon without voting, because Pesco as scum wouldn't do something so scummy. (http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Too_Townie)
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Good game Pesco and Affinity. Not what most of us expected. Yes, the showdown between Pesco and HW should have happened.
I shouldn't be letting these comments from Kilga and Alice get me down, but I won't lie that I'm not affected by it. I'm going to walk away, for a while.
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Random.org is moe.
I was pretty much convinced that Rou was Pesco's partner at that point so I didn't feel there would be much of a difference, plus it seemed to me at the end of the day that if I didn't switch I would have gotten lynched myself (and I'd rather get somebody who I find very likely to be scum but am not sure about lynched than myself when I know I'm town). Though I guess I am more at fault than him here, I'd still like to know what Rou was doing because he pretty much set himself up for that either way. Ugh.
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...Kiro, you were pushing Rou for the entire latter portion of D2 IIRC.
But, hey, I gave up on it myself too, and if I had actually had some presence yesterday, I might have done something.
Oh, right, HW, in the end you really should have just kept your vote on Pesco (Or did you?) You KNEW he was scum, whereas you were only rather sure of Rou.
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I shouldn't be letting these comments from Kilga and Alice get me down, but I won't lie that I'm not affected by it. I'm going to walk away, for a while.
Eh, everyone has bad games. Don't forget that we're not that far removed from Mai HiME.
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I shouldn't be letting these comments from Kilga and Alice get me down, but I won't lie that I'm not affected by it. I'm going to walk away, for a while.
I said the same thing in Suzumiya Mafia, and I'm pretty much over it already.
The best cure for Mafia Blues is Mafia Schadenfreude.
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Hopefully I'll be more motivated next game.
And hey, let's look at the positives.
UK didn't get in a multipage ad hom battle with anyone \o/
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Apologies to Rou for the mindfuck.
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I'm not really that depressed about the game. But it's a good time for me to not screw around here anymore. Apologies to Rou for the mislynch and to everyone else for not reading any future responses.
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One more thing:
Take it easy Affinity and stay safe. Thanks for playing with us again.
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FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUU
I'm sorry, guys. I fucked up about as hard as it is physically possible to fuck up. >_>
After Alice's whole STOP LYNCHING PEOPLE FOR MISTAKES THAT AREN'T SCUMMY rant last game, and the re-read of WTC, I decided that Pesco NOT going for K4U and leaving his vote nowhere made no sense if he was scum. Scum would WANT to try and start a wagon, in short. I don't recall Scum!Pesco ever being the type to cheerlead, either.
Then on the bus home today (by which point it had already been far too late to change things) I realised something. 'If Pesco knows HW is scum...why hasn't he voted him? FFFFFFFFFFFFF-'
So yeah, sorry, I fucked up, throw all your jibes at me, you're an idiot, how the fuck were you not scum, you shouldn't be playing here, blah blah blah. I'm used to it. >_>
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Pesco was voting me though :S
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Pesco was voting me though :S
But the cop said you were scum :V
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Great, so now I can't even remember shit like that.
Honestly, I didn't take well to this result. I started snapping at my sister because after I finally sit down and try to make myself better, I play the worst game I've produced in months. And that is fucking saying something. >_>
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Well, first off, thanks to everyone for organizing this game. It was really nostalgic to play with you guys once more, and I really look forward to the time where I will be able to play with you guys like past times again (probably 2012).
About the game, I don't think pesco and me played our absolute best, but the copclaim really threw everyone up in arms and he deserves real credit for that. I also think we did our best to contribute to the confusion (to be honest, I can't believe I managed to sway the lynch to Roukanken). Town could have done better, especially Rou and huh what; I guess short games like these can teach pretty big morals in a short amount of time. K4U should also have went with the flow and not be so anti-town. Kiro tried his best, but that was contaminated by the amount of dirt Rou had by that point. UK played clear-headed and was probably the best townie in this game, in my opinion.
Good game everyone; have fun this season. May be able to play with you on and off intermittently throughout the next two years, but probably only twice more. Army so far has been bearable; it's just rather... banal and sad to have to go back every week.
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Good luck Affinity. And you did do a good job. It bugs me how I actually directly accused both of you twice, but held back, and then lost everything in my reread :P.
Course, my pairings were mostly wrong, which was stupid of me. Ah well...well, thank you Affinity, but I really don't feel like I did that well.
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Not Sure if I mentioned this in my last post, but yes, part of the problem was that Rather than just leaving it at Pesco Vs Huh what and Affinity Vs Roukanken, you suggested scumpairs. That was pretty much a glaring signal to Affinity that Scum win was almost secured as long as he bussed Pesco.
I don't think Town has something glaringly wrong with them in this game. I just think it was a lot of little mistakes that added up.
In any case, it's great to have been able to host a game like this for you Affinity. It's also great to know not to try any more assassin setups~