Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Hakurei Shrine~ => Help Me, Eirin! => Topic started by: Ghaleon on May 26, 2009, 08:57:59 AM
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I'm jealous I didn't know about this series sooner like the rest of you guys, so I'm wondering how you guys were introduced to the series.
I personally learned of it partially thanks to a internet flash gaming website known as kongregate. On the forums someone opened a thread along the lines of "hardest boss ever". Naturally I was interested because I'm always interested in hard games, I've beaten plenty of games that are known for being notoriously hard on its hardest settings such as Unreal tournament (godlike bots I mean not the actually setting on campaign, I haven't tried, the campaign sucks), ninja gaiden, I wanna be the guy (well very hard, I don't have the time for impossible, which is more about not screwing up once over a very long period of time more than anything), I wanna be the fangame, etc.
Someone posted a youtube link of some japanese shooter game (I forget the name, something futuri or something). Obviously this was sourced by being the #1 match in google for "worlds hardest boss", match #2's boss is actually from the same game and the boss afterwards which is only unlockable by beating the previous mentioned boss without dying, durka.
So I said to myself "gee that looks like fun, I gotta try it". But discovered it was for a japanese arcade that could not possibly be imported, or purchaseable with my resources.. So I said dang. But while researching this game I learned the term "danmaku", so I started looking for "danmaku" games that WERE accessable for me. Touhou it was >=).
So what's your story?
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About a year back, I was browsing the Something Awful forums. Out of pure boredom, I checked out the Touhou thread in their anime section. What I discovered was a relatively obscure shooter with a surprisingly strong fan scene.
The concept just really lit up my lights for three reasons:
1) I love derivative works. Remixes, fanfiction, stuff like that.
2) I love flashy bright things. The danmaku patters looked like a rave with more killing and less love (and also less college frat boys trying to pick up drugged out girls. natch)
3) I love challenging games.
I fell in love with the concept instantly and couldn't wait to download and play my first Touho-- wait.. Windows?
I failed at using WINE for emulation and didn't have access to Bootcamp at the time, so I couldn't run any Touhou games on my mac. Needless to say, I was a sad panda.
So for about a year I sustained myself on IOSYS videos and fan drawings. No real reason except they were enjoyable.
So, it wasn't until a couple days ago that I managed to snag a copy of Windows XP and Embodiment of Scarlet Devil and give it a shot. Actually playing the challenging and addictive curtain shooter opened my eyes and now I am slowly aquainting myself with my new obsession (and lots and lots of death).
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I bumped into this and then it was death by shiny (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UySaJa0-5o8&fmt=18)
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Doesn't this thread belong at the addict center?
Hmmm I don't want to rewrite entire story from the old forum. Basicly comes down to this:
- Helepolis decides to download MUGEN after a year hearing from a friend.
- Helepolis downloads tons of characters.
- Helepolis discovers Hatsune Miku.
- Helepolis plays hours to see all parody moves.
- Helepolis' interest is sparked by a bunny girl smirking, wonders who it is.
- Helepolis asks on a MUGEN forum about it.
- Helepolis gets directed to youtube for "Inaba Tewi".
- Helepolis bumps into IN Stage 4b replay.
- Helepolis normally hates these type of games but gets addicted to the song and pattern of the bullets.
- Helepolis does more research and finds Touhou.
- Helepolis downloads IN and plays.
- Helepolis gets addicted for the rest of his life.
Thank you ZUN.
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4chan's /w/ several years ago.
Yeah, pretty embarrassing, but whatever.
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Oh god I don't want to type this out again -_-.
*sigh*
Well what happened was that I was searching for characters on MUGEN when I found the Touhou characters through these videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKuTBrTtIZk&fmt=18). I was interested in them entirely. I decided to search up on the fighter that they appeared in, and discovered that they were from IaMP. I watched this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDNgCdJ7Ke4&fmt=18) and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZbN9HCNiDw&fmt=18) video, and I decided to give them a try.
Of course I had lots of fun, and decided to search up for sequels/prequels of the series, until I found dracil's IN Extra Clear video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nb5Ohbt1Sg&fmt=18). I was in awe at the game itself, the intense bullet patterns, and Mokou whom I mistaken for a guy at first.
I searched them up on Wikipedia, and found out that the first Windows game is EoSD. I decided to start with that game, and I did alright, starting on normal, and lost on Patchouli.
And that's how I discovered Touhou.
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It was some clip collection of AMV Hell, with Pokemon + Marisa stole the precious thing. After that, well, u know.
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A U.N. Owen/Sho Minamimoto mix. Followed to the original source music, then to Kefit's replay of Flandre, then HOLY CRAP MUST TRY, then suffering.
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Yer, I thought Help me, Eirin! might not be the best place to start this thread. BUT, when I thought about it it seemed like an obviously similar thread to "your first touhou experience". So I guess I should stuff it in the same catagory since nobody seemed to question the placement of that thread.
I heard about Mugen about a year ago now but I'm not a big fighting game fan so I never really bothered to try it. Doh.
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I've typed this out like 10 times so I'll just shorten it up.
Arrange of EoSD title theme and History of the Moon (+various touhou songs) were on FFR.
Stuff happened.
The end.
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I've typed this out like 10 times so I'll just shorten it up.
Arrange of EoSD title theme and History of the Moon (+various touhou songs) were on FFR.
Stuff happened.
The end.
And they are STILL the only songs I play on FFR (when I DO play once every month =/)
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i found touhou while searching for nanoha yuri
true story
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this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q16KpquGsIc), then this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIop055eJhU), then this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHmzO2RI1fs&feature=channel_page)
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I was watching speed runs one day and happened to stumble across one of MegaMari. I became intrigued with the characters and music in the game, so I pretty much started looking at various Touhou videos on youtube such as this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-pFVA3Qk40&feature=related) and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EokS8NrFu_M).
I ended up getting hooked on the music and characters, but didn't bother to try the games at the time since they looked intimidating. Then when I finally listened to centennial festival for magical girls and watched a let's play of EoSD on Normal, I told myself that I had to play the games.
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Bro showed me Marisa stole the precious thing.
Some random asked who that character was.
Some dude says its Alice from Touhou.
Goggle Touhou.
Touhouwiki.
? ? ? ? ? ?
Profit
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Youtube browsing gaems
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Jan-san showed me Touhou. First game played was PCB. Been hooked ever since.
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Profit
How can a game, that ruined 90% of people's lives, be called profit?
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1 Went to court records (http://www.court-records.net)
2 Found a Apollo Justice version Miku Hatsune
3 Found a link to a video which got related to Phoenix Wright version of IOSYS's Oyome ni Shinasai
4 Found a link to the original version
5 Went through comments to know what anime it was
6 relised it was game and it was called Touhou
7 Found links leading to Marisa stole the Precious thing, Overdrive and You should drink cucumber flavoured beer by IOSYS
8 saw video of the gameplay
9 found it interesting
10 Tried to find a download but found Touhou wiki which i didn't go to because i had no idea what it was
11 watched Touhou videos without even knowing they were Touhou videos
12 After a while went to the arcade and played a STG
13 Watched Touhou videos
14 realized that Touhou is a STG
15 Download Touhou
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I saw it through browsing of Youtube in the past, but only after watching a video by LuizPrower which had Odenpa Love Girl, which led to to watch the full video, got me interested. Downloaded the MoF demo, loved it, got linked to THE SITE on GameFAQs, and the rest is
spell card history.
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Someone linked this video on a wc3 forum:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nb5Ohbt1Sg
thought it was awesome, did my research, and played IN away for months.
that was like 3.5 years ago.. wow its been awhile >.<
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Someone posted Suigintou Stole the Precious Thing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb1FNbEnius) in Desuchan's /alice/ board in 2006 I think. Googling IOSYS>IOSYS music>IOSYS backstory>teh gaems.
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this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q16KpquGsIc), then this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIop055eJhU), then this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHmzO2RI1fs&feature=channel_page)
First link = yay.
Anyways, it was Pockethouse which got me into Touhou. It was way long ago then. I think I played the game for many months before I knew there was a community.
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Flash vids, mostly. Research followed and so began my masochism odyssey. Yeah, I can't be bothered to type it all out. Mostly because it's not even that interesting.
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EveryExtend. Seriously. I was playing EveryExtend and wanted more games like it - found out that they were referred to as "shmups" (I never say that word, though, I just type out shoot-em-up), and googled the word. Found http://shootthecore.moonpod.com and decided to download every game with a gold badge, and immediately noticed that Touhou was not only the best of the bunch, but a whole series. I looked it up and I was hooked.
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Tehe, that was quite the coincidence.
So, even if you have never heard of touhou, video game musik rocks, right?
So I often surfed on www.vgmusic.com (http://www.vgmusic.com) on a quest for more awesome stuff. Games and consoles I had never heard of, too. I noticed that several midi renditions of music from the Ys games (which I have never played) were liquid awesome. These were all done by the same person, named "Justus Johnston".
So I took the site specific google search for Justus Johnston. Found a couple of more good midis, but also a single overclocked remix by him. Unusual enough, it was a song played by a quartet of strings, all played by himself. The song was nice, but what cought my attention was the description of the rendition.
The song was, so the description, from a really obscure game, a "doujinshi shmup" called "Perfect Cherry Blossom". My first reaction was "what the heck is a doujinshi?", directly followed by "what the heck is a shmup?" (yeah, I know).
Looked for "Perfect Cherry Blossom" on Wikipedia. The article didn't quite satisfy me and I managed to miss the link to the touhou wiki, too.
So I entered Perfect Cherry Blossom into YouTube and found a Phantasm replay in two parts. My two thoughts were "this is insane!" and "wow, the music is awesome". Too stupid to check out related videos, I stuck with having this very video play in the background while I played other games, just for the music.
One time I checked some of the comments. Naturally, one asked where he could get the game, and naturally another one told him to go to the certain site. Of course I followed the link.
So it turned out that a new game of the series was just released, Mountain of Faith. I downloaded it, and yeah.
I managed to get to Nitori on easy mode but failed to pass her, no matter the continues. Figures not knowing there is a focus button makes things a little more difficult. :D
With the shift key as a new weapon I managed to get up to Kanako. Many tries later, 1cc on easy. Many, MANY tries later: 1cc on normal. Many, MANY, MANY tries later: Extra clear. By then I got around to get the other games, one at a time, and 1cced them.
I didn't get into the fandom until late 08, though. I thought the non-gameplay videos that came up when I searched for YouTube were something else entirely. :V
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Anyways, it was Pockethouse which got me into Touhou. It was way long ago then. I think I played the game for many months before I knew there was a community.
Ah yes it was Pockethouse that got me into the doujin.
It was pretty awesome back then. This was when Wong decided to upload a doujin daily, and before his PC/laptop or something crashed since he had Vista.
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Seems like alot of people really like Flandre's theme, or learned about the game because of it. Fairly satisfying cuz I find her music alone makes the fight so much fun, not to mention it suits it so damn well.
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I actually got into Touhou BEFORE Mcroll'd was spawned into this world by almost exactly a month (11/30/07 was the date I first played Touhou), so I'm fortunate enough to see Mcroll'd as U.N Owen instead of the other way around.
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How can a game, that ruined 90% of people's lives, be called profit?
I profit from the pain and confusion I cause when I would post overly cute touhou loli on the old WoW forum I hung around.
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I actually got into Touhou BEFORE Mcroll'd was spawned into this world by almost exactly a month (11/30/07 was the date I first played Touhou), so I'm fortunate enough to see Mcroll'd as U.N Owen instead of the other way around.
Oh hey there fellow discoverer. I found and played the game around that time as well :P
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I remember when I finally got around to downloading one of the games, I had many choices, but wanted to get the latest one - this being August 2007, I went with Mountain of Faith. To this day that game always has a special place in my heart. Sometimes, just for fun, I'll open Stage 4 in Practice Start because of how pretty it is.
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How can a game, that ruined 90% of people's lives, be called profit?
Touhou got me off of playing WoW, I owe my life to it.
A danmaku-fan friend of mine introduced me to it years ago, before the whole Overdrive thing exploded. But I've only been really into it for the last two years or so.
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I think that I saw Dracil's replay of In extra stage. I then researched it, and finally found where I could get the games.
How I found this place I was reading some fanfic on touhou wiki and I tried finding the original source, and I found this place.
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Around the time I started using Youtube, I searched for a game called Daigasso! Band Brothers for the DS. After hearing several videos, I looked at the related videos, and stumbled upon this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMPB8iVK20Q) Though at the time, I thought it was just something original. A bit after that, I found a video called Nico Nico Douga Medley, and really like most of the music in there. So I favorited that, but really didn't bother to find out where the songs came from.
It wasn't until I saw another Nico Nico Douga Medley video that I actually wanted to figure out where the music was from, particularly that "Help Me, Eirin!" So I did what I always do when I want to ask a question on Youtube. Look around the comments to see if someone already asked it. Sure enough, someone had asked that, and I found out it originated from "A doujinshi called Touhou." When I saw that I was wondering how a manga could have music, because I seriously thought that doujinshi was a term used for fanmanga, and nothing else.
Shortly after that, LuizPrower posted this video, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xjW4KWvMC8) which is when I found out that it was a game (immediately followed by me trying to find out exactly what doujinshi was). So I tried to find out how to get the games, but decided againts it due to not actually owning a computer (shared family computer back then). By the time I actually obtained a laptop, I had forgotten about Touhou. That is, until I saw a video of the UFO demo. Decided to get the demo, and from there on, I've been playing Touhou.
On an extra note, I managed to 1cc Normal MoF within a month, shortly followed by EoSD, PCB. Though ever since my gamepad broke, I haven't really tried to 1cc anything.
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I actually got into Touhou BEFORE Mcroll'd was spawned into this world by almost exactly a month (11/30/07 was the date I first played Touhou), so I'm fortunate enough to see Mcroll'd as U.N Owen instead of the other way around.
I KNEW the song before then, but I didn't know what it was from. :| I called the McRoll song a mix of UNknown Girl (which was the remix of UN Owen by dBu on FFR)
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About a year ago. Don't remember the exact day. Me and a friend watched a lot of videos about the Touhou games because the music was awesome and watching skilled players play the games was somewhat fun. I got bored with it though and decided to try and play the games myself so i went and fetched Imperishable Night off of somewhere and started playing. I sucked to a legendary state and today i don't why i couldn't clear Easy mode in 1st attempt starting with 7 lives.
I don't recall how fast i made it beyond the suckiness but i wasted a lot of time playing easy stuff. A lot of time wasted on Normal mode too. I should just have moved on when i could comfortably clear the difficulty but whatever. I want to play forever and i have no reason why i would want to rush it. I'll clear Lunatic when it happens. Be it in three months or in 3 years. I don't really care.
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I think it was from McRoll'd.
I heard the music and was curious about what Touhou was, and when I saw it I was like WOW THIS LOOKS AWESOME
The rest is history.
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I would probably say my first exposure to Touhou was....roughly a year and a half (or more) before I actually took any interest in it. When I first discovered it, I did a bit of research and wound up saying. "Oh wow, there's no way I'm playing this. Only a complete gaming masochist could find this fun."
....of course, 1.5 years later, here we are. I continued to see various things on the internet related to Touhou and said "Okay, I might as well look into these games...what have I got to lose?" ....the speed at which it hooked me in frightens me, to be perfectly honest. Does it do that to everybody?
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....the speed at which it hooked me in frightens me, to be perfectly honest. Does it do that to everybody?
The moment I saw Touhou I fell in love with the game. I now have an obsession that I truly enjoy.
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First, an encounter with FOEs
Then I looked up more IOSYS music and "Touhou Project" was first noted
But, I paid it no heed.
Yet I kept hearing about it, so I was like
"Okay, someone link me to these games"
...And that's what happened.
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I would probably say my first exposure to Touhou was....roughly a year and a half (or more) before I actually took any interest in it. When I first discovered it, I did a bit of research and wound up saying. "Oh wow, there's no way I'm playing this. Only a complete gaming masochist could find this fun."
....of course, 1.5 years later, here we are. I continued to see various things on the internet related to Touhou and said "Okay, I might as well look into these games...what have I got to lose?" ....the speed at which it hooked me in frightens me, to be perfectly honest. Does it do that to everybody?
I'm pretty hooked and I've only been playing it for a few weeks now. I was just as hooked by day 2 as I am now though.
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I found out about Touhou via the Crowning Music of Awesome page on TV Tropes, sometime last September.
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I posted this in the old forums, too, so...
- Found picture of Yukari's second-to-last spellcard in Phantasm in a German video games magazine
- searched on Youtube and Google
- started with IN, then PCB, finally found DS and downloaded every Touhou available
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My girlfriend said she was playing a game.
So I went to her computer, searched up the game Perfect Cherry Blossom, and rather than playing it first, I read the translated "manual" file there. I was captivated. That had nothing to do with flowers, like I thought, it was about killing Eastern man eating mosters, in their own home world.
Pretty weird way to start a touhou game the first time: knowing the plot...
*picks Marisa* *loses* *loses* *MASTAH SPARK* oh, aweso- *loses* - crap...
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First, an encounter with FOEs
Then I looked up more IOSYS music and "Touhou Project" was first noted
But, I paid it no heed.
Yet I kept hearing about it, so I was like
"Okay, someone link me to these games"
...And that's what happened.
SAITAMA! SAITAMA! F O E!
EIRIN! EIRIN! F O E!
GOSSUN! GOSSUN! F O E!
DOUMAN! SEIMAN! F O E!!
It also doesn't help that every time I get to Chen on Hard, I always chant "Douman Seiman F O E!" And as someone who's played a lot of both Touhou and Etrian Odyssey, the concept of Chen the FOE is...truly...frightening.
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this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q16KpquGsIc), then this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIop055eJhU), then this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHmzO2RI1fs&feature=channel_page)
Wow... that's exactly the same videos that led me into Touhou. Creepy.
To give a bit more of a full story though...
I was addicted to this game by the name of osu! It was like EBA but more fun with less annoying songs. It was fantastic. I was playing around on Multiplayer and the host decided to pick the Ronald U.N. Owen. Instantly queue the "wtf" from me as I play the map (and fail miserably). I wondered what the crap it was.
Well, it wasn't until a few days later that I actually began investigating. I was bored and wasn't in much of an osu mood. So I decided to look up the Ronald McDonald song to see how people reacted to it, where I figured out there was actually a video for it.
I figured out from reading through comments that it was actually a remix to a song called "U.N. Owen Was Her?". I looked it up and found the original song and thought it was amazingly addictive. I really wanted to know what game it was from and saw a video response down below of a game. I clicked and was amazed as the insanity I saw, EoSD Extra. My first thought was "Oh hell, I could never do that. That's just too insane". That was that for a few days, but as it sank in I finally decided that I had to try this crazy game.
Which is when my first touhou game became Embodiment of Scarlet Devil. I played on easy and got a game over on Patchcouli, using up all three continues. It was amazingly addictive though.
And that's how I came to know Touhou.
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I found out through Touhou hijacks and Touhou Seimoe threads on /a/. (This was when there were about 50 to 100 Touhou videos in total on Youtube, so at least I didn't find out about it through IOSYS. I didn't know about that until I went to Walfas.) Although I did see some kid playing an STG with lolis on his laptop in 2004, it could have been Touhou.
First Touhou video. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aLSqj7v18Y)
First image I saved. (http://i40.tinypic.com/2cpcgfd.jpg)
I posted on /jp/ for a while until it was clear to me that the board couldn't be saved from itself. I found the Touhou Imageboard through Wakachan.
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My girlfriend said she was playing a game.
So I went to her computer, searched up the game Perfect Cherry Blossom, and rather than playing it first, I read the translated "manual" file there. I was captivated. That had nothing to do with flowers, like I thought, it was about killing Eastern man eating mosters, in their own home world.
Pretty weird way to start a touhou game the first time: knowing the plot...
*picks Marisa* *loses* *loses* *MASTAH SPARK* oh, aweso- *loses* - crap...
WTB girlfriend who is into touhou.. no.. wtb any friend into touhou >=P. All my friends only play games that are trendy or popular. wahh.
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WTB girlfriend who is into touhou.. no.. wtb any friend into touhou >=P. All my friends only play games that are trendy or popular. wahh.
Finding any woman down here who likes touhou would be like finding a 3 in binary code.
I'm in the same boat mate.
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The short story is that I got into Touhou via shitty IOSYS flash videos and curiosity. Hate me if you please :)
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I blame theshim
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All my friends only play games that are trendy or popular. wahh.
Yeah, that's just so sad. In my class, there are a few Warcraft-cracks, and they are ALWAYS telling me that the games that I play suck because of the graphics or because nobody knows them (The World Ends With You, Elite Beat Agents, Baten Kaitos, Castlevania, and of course Touhou) and that WoW is THE BEST GAME EVER MADE.
I wish I just could throw a giant "OH, JUST SHUT UP" in their faces.
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All my friends only play games that are trendy or popular. wahh.
Yeah, that's just so sad. In my class, there are a few Warcraft-cracks, and they are ALWAYS telling me that the games that I play suck because of the graphics or because nobody knows them (The World Ends With You, Elite Beat Agents, Baten Kaitos, Castlevania, and of course Touhou) and that WoW is THE BEST GAME EVER MADE.
I wish I just could throw a giant "OH, JUST SHUT UP" in their faces.
First of all, WoW has shitty graphics so tell your friends to fuck off.
Secondly, those that strive off mainstream games are no worse than those that always bitch and moan about how their "unknown and hardcore" games are far superior. We're all pretty much in the same boat. Whatever happened to people just being gamers?
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WTB girlfriend who is into touhou.. no.. wtb any friend into touhou >=P. All my friends only play games that are trendy or popular. wahh.
Most of the people here plays:
Call of Duty series
Halo 3
Guitar Hero/Rock Band
Fallout 3
...uhh...I forget. I think there's a lot more. They used to play a lot of WoW though, but it completely died down now, thank god.
Now 2 of my friends:
Touhou
Stepmania
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I blame theshim
Damn straight!
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Secondly, those that strive off mainstream games are no worse than those that always bitch and moan about how their "unknown and hardcore" games are far superior. We're all pretty much in the same boat. Whatever happened to people just being gamers?
Unknown and hardcore my grass! The WoW addicts in town here (who are always using the plugs to play their games in the library whenever I need to do an assignement on my computer and its low on battery, damned poo-poo heads!) don't even know that the term Metroidvania might come from joining the terms Metroid and Castlevania, because they have no idea what the hell is Metroid and Castlevania!
and they make fun of people who just mention these kind of games, specially if the word "pokemon" is even alluded at, when all the play is, again, WoW and... ... I lawfully despise them and you'll have to agree: -Pro Evolution Soccer <insert highest current #>. Yep, that's all they play.
Tell me how the hell are these two titles Unknown and Hardcore? Every single person in the internet seems to know that SAMUS IS A GIRL and must have seen "The" Dracula at least once in their lives or heard of it, and two "l33t H4x0rY PWN'age M45T3R5 of LEEROY" who spend 6 hours everyday glued to a pc have no idea and mock them?
Sincerely, I like WoW. I like any game that's not "brown". I like shooters and all that "hardcore shit". But I seriously have issues with "hardcore players", the people that just go after the hot and trendy and announced on E3 not by nintendo.
WTB girlfriend who is into touhou.. no.. wtb any friend into touhou >=P. All my friends only play games that are trendy or popular. wahh.
Lol, she got the fad from another girl and we both passed it on to another girl. Those 2 forgot it now and only play on new releases and when we are playing it first. (like with when we pointed out that we were playing UFO's demo)
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She's not for sale.
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Wow, it sure seems a load of people started playing because of Kefit's eosd extra replay, and I'm yet another of them!
Think I was browsing mushihimesama videos while being amazed by the sheer amount of bullets, when I stumbled upon Kefit's eosd extra replay. It was love at first sight, beautiful patterns, rich colours (contrasting mushihimesama's boring purple bullets) and really good soundtrack were enough to have me looking for ways to play it. Couldn't find any place to download it from at the time, so I ended up buying eosd and all the other iterations of touhou on windows.
Think that was around mid 2008, been playing on and off since then, more off than on, goddamn work and WoW, even though I quit as soon as we were done with TBC. Having quit wow gives me a lot more time to rage at this beautiful game :>
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and they are ALWAYS telling me that the games that I play suck because of the graphics
Graphics by far is pretty much just a word to any real game player.
I rather play a fun 2-d pixel art game than a junky full 3-d mega realistic graphic game that is boring.
Seems the more "real" game get to looking the more lame they become.
Case in point the Final Fantasy series that slowly seems to be dying.
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Graphics by far is pretty much just a word to any real game player.
Exactly.
I rather play a fun 2-d pixel art game than a junky full 3-d mega realistic graphic game that is boring.
Exactly again. For my part, I LOVE Super Aleste for the SNES because of its pretty complex gameplay being made simple (8 SHOT TYPES! 8! AND YOU CAN MODIFY THEM!)
Seems the more "real" game get to looking the more lame they become.
I always thought, video games exist to, well, escape reality visiting a different world, and not visiting one which is the same like the one we're living in already.
Case in point the Final Fantasy series that slowly seems to be dying.
The SNES era had the best Final Fantasy and the best Final Fantasy villains.
Kefka and Exdeath... (Question: Did Golbez become good at the end of FF 4?)
PSX era was OK, too, but PS2 era just sucked.
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Graphics by far is pretty much just a word to any real game player.
I rather play a fun 2-d pixel art game than a junky full 3-d mega realistic graphic game that is boring.
Seems the more "real" game get to looking the more lame they become.
Case in point the Final Fantasy series that slowly seems to be dying.
I agree with you 90%.
I still remember when ff7 came out everyone was amazed with the graphics cuz they were 3d, but I thought, and I still think it is the worst looking square game of all time. Sorry, but visible polygons bigger than an Atari pixel ARE NOT GOOD LOOKING. To make matters worse the animation looked really twitchy and people had seizures half the time.. ugh.
I'll play a game that's fun regardless of how weak the graphics are mostly (one of my fave examples is warlords battlecry 2, terrible graphics for its time but damn was the gameplay really cool).
Sometimes graphics are important IMO though. For example, If I'm going to play a 3d castlevania (for the PS. I personally like lament of innocence and curse of darkness BTW, I wish they made more PS castlevanias instead of just gameboy ones), I WILL expect some nice goth-like art, stained glass windows, etc. There's a little bit of fun when it comes to exploring the castle. Curse of darkness had its cool moments, but for the most part it was a step down from lament of innocence. It's a shame you couldn't have the former's decorations, with the latter's camera viewing ability.
So while I can really enjoy a game no matter how bad the graphics are pretty much (there are other things about ff7 I didn't like, such as the snores-ville difficulty, and really shitty music. yes I think it's shitty, and I hate that god-awful fake harmonica/organ thing they used to hell), some games I'll be a sad panda if the graphics aren't good in it (or at least aesthetically good, I don't care about texture quality/polygon count good).
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The SNES era had the best Final Fantasy and the best Final Fantasy villains.
Kefka and Exdeath... (Question: Did Golbez become good at the end of FF 4?)
PSX era was OK, too, but PS2 era just sucked.
I actually enjoy my ps2 on average more than my ps1. But to each their own.
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Ghaleon, speaking of ps castlevanias, Dracula X chronicles (psp) is meant to be pretty good ^^
Its a 3d remake of rondo of blood, with another game unlockable (think its original SotN)
Anyway, just to try and divert the thread back on topic ^_^
That "HARDEST GAME BOSS EVER LOLOLOL!!!11" video or whatever it was. Mushishishishi whatever. Then linked to a touhou video, watched them for a while, then found a video of Magic Sign "Stardust Reverie" and I was captivated :o
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I rather play a fun 2-d pixel art game than a junky full 3-d mega realistic graphic game that is boring.
If only magazines would stop giving Disgaea games bad ratings for this...
I actually enjoy my ps2 on average more than my ps1. But to each their own.
I could say the same to a more actual aproach with Ps2 and Ps3... But considering what sorts of games we have on the PS3... Remember me mentioning "Brown"? so yeah...
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I'll agree that the Final Fantasy series took a dive after IX. I consider the true FF series to be I-IX since those are the ones that are truly what the series is about. After that Square just decided to change up too many things and it wasn't the same.
As for graphics, it's generally the last thing I look for in a game. I take into account the important things first, like general gameplay, storyline (if applicable), and replayability.
Some of the best examples of this are SNES Final Fantasy, Sonic the Hedgehog 1-3 & Knuckles, Cave Story, and of course, Touhou.
Sure, these games have great graphics, but a lot of gamers today frown on anything that isn't in-your-face shiny 3D with 10 shades of blood and visible grass blades.
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During my addiction to Enemy Controller videos, I came across Kaiba's Go Through The Duel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnQABmgXjCY&feature=channel_page). Thought the song used was awesome and went to the source. Took me a while to actually get into it though. If it weren't for this guy (http://www.youtube.com/user/WeakArc) I probably would have procrastinated playing until I lost interest.
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Marisa stole the precious thing
Make us Your Brides
Mc Roll
Finally search "Embodiment of Scarlet Devil" on Google
Thou art Touhoufag
Nothing special at all.
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Graphics by far is pretty much just a word to any real game player.
I rather play a fun 2-d pixel art game than a junky full 3-d mega realistic graphic game that is boring.
How incredibly true. I often have to listen to bullshit in that department. Take pretty much any game that have come out in this generation. Whenever i would play it together with my friend, i would get a lot of comments about texture pop-in, lousy texture quality, glitches, clipping etc. and its so annoying. As if i don't see it! Just shut up already, i'm trying to enjoy a game!
I think graphics are hopelessly overrated. That's one of the reasons i love Touhou. It doesn't show you realistically rendered environments and amazing physics. Instead it shows you how little that does for a game.
I'd say next generation graphics are nothing more than costy special effects meant to draw your attention away from how boring the game actually is. And i'd almost say that it works. I have a tendency to give boring games more of a chance if their graphics are good compared to games which graphics doesn't match. I'm actually kind of ashamed by that.
All my friends only play games that are trendy or popular. wahh.
I know exactly how you feel. Its hard as hell to make people even try a Touhou game. And of course, general reaction is: Die at Imperishable Night Stage 1 on Easy. Shitty game. Naturally.
In my class there is a girl who went as far to call Touhou nothing more than a hyper-advanced Space Invaders with a weak plot added to it and of course, here goes the stereotype: perversion. Of course, if its all girls its bound to be a perv game. I keep saying that the game is only as perverted as the person who plays it but i keep getting the same disrespect.
I wanted to respect her playing World of Warcraft but to a certain extend, i just want to stop respecting it. Respect works both ways, bitch.
There is also another thing that might prevent people from giving Touhou a chance. They are afraid of difficulty. Some might refuse and argue that they have beat Halo 3 on legendary.
To that i usually ask: "Did you do it without continues?", "Would you have done it, if it wasn't because of achievement points?" and stuff like that.
Besides you can just use continues until you succeed.
I'm sometimes told that i have no life. Well howabout yourself huh? Mining wood in Runescape, doing raids in WoW, playing CoD online grinding sniper rifle headshots in order to get a golden sniper? Who is it that doesn't have a life?
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I am a DIEHARD fan of 2D oldschool games. Megaman, Castlevania, more recently Touhou... and I will state right now that those that say that graphics do not make a difference SHOULD BE SHOT. It feels as if there is an assumption that graphics are irrelevant and bad, which is a lie since Touhou, just for startes is FUCKING BEAUTIFUL. The colours, the patterns... it all draws you into that experience of immersion. And 3D graphics, CLEARLY people are ignoring God of War, Prince of Persia, Unreal and the like... The point is that you have many games in which good graphics are used as an excuse to try to distract the player from a very bad gameplay or plotline. And we can ALL think of numerous examples for that. More recently, added to good graphics is online gameplay. And I guess Haze and Halo are out there as DEFINITE proof that Graphics+Netplay will NOT excuse visceral flaws, yet Halo is a good thing in that it shows that even the crappiest things CAN be over-hyped to the point that you have a legion of people actually defending that it is good and completely not a remake of, let's say, UT2004, without any major improvements or innovation (except perhaps the rechargeable shields thing). With the difference that UT2004 felt a lot like a remake of Quake3 (despite the fact that it has the original UT behind it) and both these games have an awesome thing where they clearly state what they are and present themselves as shiny multiplayer games with some single player mode as an added feature (while H&H try to make is believe there is some kind of REAL single player mode and then fail MISERABLY to deliver it).
The thing with Touhou, Megaman and Castlevania is that the games ARE good. And the graphics are a bonus. It's all about the gameplay. That's why capcom can release Megaman 9 with NES-like graphics and it is STILL good. If you release Halo3 with Doom graphics you're set for the HARDEST FAIL EVER, cause that's the only thing THAT game has got. I think it's also silly to pretend we have not seen the graphic improvement on the Touhou series. Each game IS more sophisticated than the other and ZUN does make an effort to progress it, but he doesn't lose the core.
The thing with Final Fantasy has not to do with graphics since they are getting really awesome but they have lost of the pizazz from FF7 and FFT, and graphics are NOT what Final Fantasy is about, so that increase in graphical quality will be good but will not excuse utterly boring plotlines and characters as the ones we had on FFXII, which had LOTS OF AWESOME ALL AROUND but failed terribly at making something out of good scenario, graphics and system. If it had FF6-like graphics, it WOULD make a difference, because the game would lose one of it's GOOD things that try to hold the whole piece together in the absence of a solid core.
Each genre has its specific needs and strengths but regardless, graphics will make a difference because we all LIKE to look at pretty graphics the only thing is that a bad game that looks good is still a bad game. But if you want to make an assertion for yourself, just think if you'd nor rather have, I dunno, the PC98 touhou series remade with better graphics? I know it WOULD look better.
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blah blah.
I agree with your argument, but I don't really agree with some of your minor points that don't really matter.
Graphics ARE important... But to a real gamer (gamer gamer, people who play counterstrike and only counterstrike 20 hours a day aren't gamers, they're CS fanboys), they just aren't a determining factor in what makes a game a classic in our hearts.
I never got into halo much, but I don't know if I disliked it cuz the game sucked.. I just prefered ut myself >=P. I never liked fps games at all actually until ut. The reasons why are too numerous to count. But one example imo is that UT shares alot in common with Touhou in the fps genre.
I mean, Touhou is considered "a shooting game". However nobody really has fun in touhou because they are shooting stuff, the fun is in the dodging stuff. Play games like gradius, and you're always having to aim to "shoot the core", or r-type, and you have to simply MUST destroy this block, enemy, part, etc by this period of time or you're dead no matter what your dodging skill is at (and have your force in a certain position at a certain point of time). while dodging is indeed important for both games,on the scales with "shooting" on one end and "dodging" on the other, they have alot more emphasis on the shooting part than Touhou imo.
I feel the same thing with UT. The really great players aren't the ones who can get a headshot in less than a second a mile away, or whatever. The really good ones are the ones who can not get headshot when 5 snipers are aiming at him as he's running with the flag across an open field. Or someone who can outrun 8 guys chasing him by making creative uses out of dodging and walljumping. other fps games don't reward a player so much for being skilled in that regard. Imo that is the "hidden" innovation of some of these games that make them stand out.
As for FF7 though.. bleh. I was a ff fan since 1, which I got when it was new with my relatively new copy of "rad racer" (square's first game for nintendo I believe, not an rpg! zomg). I've not been a Square bandwagon jumper by any stretch of the imagination. But FF7 failed to impress me like the rest of the series did. And I'm not just talking about square in general. RPGS in general, failed to impress me as much as they did in the SNES era (golden age of RPGS imo). I can respect people who enjoy ff7. I just don't see how anybody can think it's god's gift to man in terms of story (how is it any better than countless other rpg stories? I just don't see how), graphics (umm.. polygon's larger than the infamous Atari 2600 square do NOT look good just cuz they are in 3d), Sound (Sorry, but the sound quality of early psx games was a let down too), etc. I don't want to bash anybody's fave game. I'm just saying that it's not the absolute #1 that so many people seem to think it is. Granted, the materia system is pretty much the only experimental combat mechanic I really liked over all the straight cut mechanics every rpg had before its time. It's a shame they made future ones like in ff8 fail soooo hard when it comes to battle mechanics. On the bad side though I really really don't like 3 character parties. I find they involve a helluva lot less strategy than rpgs which use more than 3. I don't know why 3 is the magic number with so many modern rpgs (my biggest beef with chrono trigger when it was new).
sorry for the excessive rambling >=P...This is really a hot topic for me.
edit: just realized this was in help me, Elrin forums, sorry if that's considered too offtopic, or perhaps its standard to simply move topics that go this direction. dunno.
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Pretty much what Ghaleon said.
Sure, graphics are an important factor in games, but truly it's one of the last things I consider in any game I'm looking to buy.
There's great games that have horrible graphics and theres awful games with great graphics (a lot of today's games mirite?).
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I'm so confused are we talking about the importance of graphical quality in games or how we learned about Touhou?
Well anyway i found out about Touhou looking looking up onion and cheese pie and found a link to the overdrive video. and little by little over a years time i discovered Touhou.
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I'm so confused are we talking about the importance of graphical quality in games or how we learned about Touhou?
This forum tends to greatly get off topic in just about every topic. :P
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The more off topic you get, the more points. Push for the high score!
Also: By UT you mean Unreal or Urban Terror? I don't think there ever was wall jump in Unreal.
But yeah, what I mean is that it always feels like people put it into a way that "graphics may be disregarded", which is completely bullshit, the real problem is some developers thinking that having good graphics will be any excuse for making a shitty game as we ALL know that is even MORE bullshit.
I know that however awesome they are, games like Ookami and Shadow of the Colossus, for instance, would not have captivated me in the same way without their amazing graphics, and that's not even a doubt. When I sit down to play something like that I KNOW I'm there with the intent to be amazed. Ookami itself has a lot going on that excuses a whole bunch of shit that could be way better but it is still an amazing game and the graphics are certainly one of the things that make it so.
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My case was simple enough. I went to Danbooru, to search for some /m/aterial and contribute to an i/m/agedump. But suddenly, every image on the front page (And beyond that) had a recurring tag: Touhou. Cure investigating, going to Wikipedia, then Youtube, then the Touhou wiki, and to play the games themselves.
EDIT: I just discovered I had been introduced to a Touhou subproduct a looong time ago without me knowing it. When Gundam 00 S1 was airing, a guy started using a large bunch of images of Neena Trinity with different expressions. I thought it was a Japanese-drawn set, but I now know that it was made using create.swf.
FFFF NOW KOMACHI IS NEENA FFFF
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Graphics are in my opinion the least important thing about any game. Be it Touhou Project, Call of Duty or Final Fantasy. Anything is more important. Gameplay, sound, music, plot, aesthetics etc.
I think there is too many "graphics bitches" out there who won't even touch a game if the technical level of the game isn't among the top of what computers can handle and i think that's bullshit. People are only cheating themselves by missing out on great games simply because the game doesn't cause your computer to crash. Or your Xbox or Playstation for that matter.
Maybe the Wii have the right thing going. Obviously it can't do anything graphics wise so it must compensate in the other more important areas. Too bad for me i can't find something that appeals to me on the system.
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It feels like the wii sorta got abandoned by anyone even thinking of developing for the "core gamer" market. Which is a shame as I've played quite a few games making amazing use of the Wii's capabilities for "real gaming", like Twilight Princess, CoD3 and NFS:Carbon (yeah, I know those last two sucked and kinda sucked, but their flaws were in other areas, controls were great for both).
But the thing with graphics is that as hardware gets more powerful you introduce not only a "border of WOW!", that games keep trying to cross to get bonus points. You also have the "minimum acceptable" raised ever higher.
If you're making a psychedelic abstract puzzle then you can get away with pretty much anything that strikes your artist fancy, but for anything remotely "concrete" there is a need to have a bare minimum that keeps being raised higher and higher. When Doom was released it had AMAZING graphics. If an FPS is released today with those graphics it's bound for failure almost regardless of the rest (perhaps the exception being if it specifically a nostalgia game like MM9).
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I get your point. As more and more games are being made, the graphical standards rise with them. At a time, half a year ago or something i was writing reviews of games. I usually gave games like Fallout 3 5/10 in graphics because of lack of variation in graphics, characters and colors while i gave games like Touhou a perfect 10 simply for being a beautiful 2D game that shows that you don't need super realistic 3D graphics to make a good game.
About the Wii. That's somewhat of an evil cycle. I don't want the system because there really isn't many developers who makes hard core games for it and those who buys the Wii are mostly casual gamers. Naming just one good Wii game not made by Nintendo is next to impossible but if you look at Sony and Microsoft. They've got all the exclusives and at that point i would theorize its due to those consoles superior graphical capabilities.
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They've got all the exclusives and at that point i would theorize its due to those consoles superior graphical capabilities.
That and I also think that there is this evil feedback cycle. The Wii quickly consolidated itself as more of a gadget than a console and now developers won't touch it cause it's a gadget, not a console. I also believe that while all the "casual developers" were thrilled by the Wiimote, many core developers are even now unsure and won't dare venturing into using the Wiimotes for more traditional gameplay (maybe because when they do it gets overused in the worst possible ways. Anyone that ever got anywhere near Soul Calibur Legends knows what I mean by DOIN IT RONG!).
As for fallout graphics I myself think they were pretty amazing and that fallout just couldn't be something like Prince of Persia or Quake3, full of colour and shiny. There's this big theme to the whole thing that has to be followed to keep cohesion and immersion. If it's colourful and shiny it's pretty much not fallout.
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I first learned about Touhou through someone named RockCandy on youtube by watching one of his/her youtube Yume Nikki flashes. Got interested in Marisa using Master Spark and dug around the internet some more via Touhou Wiki and google...
... And here I am!
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They've got all the exclusives and at that point i would theorize its due to those consoles superior graphical capabilities.
That and I also think that there is this evil feedback cycle. The Wii quickly consolidated itself as more of a gadget than a console and now developers won't touch it cause it's a gadget, not a console. I also believe that while all the "casual developers" were thrilled by the Wiimote, many core developers are even now unsure and won't dare venturing into using the Wiimotes for more traditional gameplay (maybe because when they do it gets overused in the worst possible ways. Anyone that ever got anywhere near Soul Calibur Legends knows what I mean by DOIN IT RONG!).
As for fallout graphics I myself think they were pretty amazing and that fallout just couldn't be something like Prince of Persia or Quake3, full of colour and shiny. There's this big theme to the whole thing that has to be followed to keep cohesion and immersion. If it's colourful and shiny it's pretty much not fallout.
It suits Fallout maybe but that doesn't mean that games like Killzone 2 and Gears of War 2 had to follow the same recipe.
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It suits Fallout maybe but that doesn't mean that games like Killzone 2 and Gears of War 2 had to follow the same recipe.
Get successful game.
Copy extensively.
Deny everything.
Brand your product as new and revolutionary.
Wash.
Rinse.
Repeat.
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PROFIT!
That's like the oldest recipe in the games industry cookbook.
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You don't have to tell me twice.
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Graphics by far is pretty much just a word to any real game player.
I rather play a fun 2-d pixel art game than a junky full 3-d mega realistic graphic game that is boring.
How incredibly true. I often have to listen to bullshit in that department. Take pretty much any game that have come out in this generation. Whenever i would play it together with my friend, i would get a lot of comments about texture pop-in, lousy texture quality, glitches, clipping etc. and its so annoying. As if i don't see it! Just shut up already, i'm trying to enjoy a game!
I think graphics are hopelessly overrated. That's one of the reasons i love Touhou. It doesn't show you realistically rendered environments and amazing physics. Instead it shows you how little that does for a game.
I'd say next generation graphics are nothing more than costy special effects meant to draw your attention away from how boring the game actually is. And i'd almost say that it works. I have a tendency to give boring games more of a chance if their graphics are good compared to games which graphics doesn't match. I'm actually kind of ashamed by that.
All my friends only play games that are trendy or popular. wahh.
I know exactly how you feel. Its hard as hell to make people even try a Touhou game. And of course, general reaction is: Die at Imperishable Night Stage 1 on Easy. Shitty game. Naturally.
In my class there is a girl who went as far to call Touhou nothing more than a hyper-advanced Space Invaders with a weak plot added to it and of course, here goes the stereotype: perversion. Of course, if its all girls its bound to be a perv game. I keep saying that the game is only as perverted as the person who plays it but i keep getting the same disrespect.
I wanted to respect her playing World of Warcraft but to a certain extend, i just want to stop respecting it. Respect works both ways, bitch.
There is also another thing that might prevent people from giving Touhou a chance. They are afraid of difficulty. Some might refuse and argue that they have beat Halo 3 on legendary.
To that i usually ask: "Did you do it without continues?", "Would you have done it, if it wasn't because of achievement points?" and stuff like that.
Besides you can just use continues until you succeed.
I'm sometimes told that i have no life. Well howabout yourself huh? Mining wood in Runescape, doing raids in WoW, playing CoD online grinding sniper rifle headshots in order to get a golden sniper? Who is it that doesn't have a life?
How anyone sucks so bad that they die on stage 1 of Imperishable Night on easy I do not know.
I know how you feel man. I tried introducing Touhou to 2 friends of mine. The first said: "All you do is dodge dots. Go play a real game like Starcraft"
The 2nd tried it, died on stage 1 of PCB easy, and gave up, saying that Touhou would give him a 5 second life expectancy. (You know what I mean)
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Starcraft is fun. =V Just a completely different genre from Touhou.
I actually game over'd on EoSD Stage 1 Normal the first time I played. =V
But now I can beat EoSD Lunatic. So yeah. =3
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The first time I picked up Touhou I got a Game Over on EoSD Easy Stage 3. Those were some awesome times.
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How anyone sucks so bad that they die on stage 1 of Imperishable Night on easy I do not know.
I know how you feel man. I tried introducing Touhou to 2 friends of mine. The first said: "All you do is dodge dots. Go play a real game like Starcraft"
The 2nd tried it, died on stage 1 of PCB easy, and gave up, saying that Touhou would give him a 5 second life expectancy. (You know what I mean)
It happens to some people. I have quite a bunch of first-timers die to Stage 1. The fact that i didn't know anything about focus-mode when i started playing might have something to do with it.
About friends. I don't know consider anyone my friend if they bash Touhou games without any valid reasons. That's simply the worst thing about it all. People rarely have any valid arguments. There was this bitch who claimed that the games are just hyper-advanced Space Invaders clones that only perverts play. Yeah sure all the characters are girls but that doesn't mean only perverts can enjoy them. That's actually a pretty bad excuse.
A second thing i'm getting rather used to hear is: "Oh my! It looks sooo haard!!! I don't get how you can dodge all that?"
I could respond that this is just the Stage 4 Boss on Hard mode in PCB. Very trivial so to speak.
But that wouldn't solve much. She wouldn't be able to understand that. And i would probably be labeled as a "show-off" or a "no-life" for considering the "impossible games" easy. I might be able to play well on anything below Lunatic but that's not due to some inherent skills. Its due to having played the games for quite some time now. When i became a Touhou player i did get owned on Easy to begin with as well. The games difficulty are in other words a lousy excuse not to play them. You'll learn the skills to get through Easy mode very quickly without any persistency. I know i did.
Lastly: To say that Starcraft is a real game and Touhou isn't is sinful to say the least. I can accept that not everyone thinks that Touhou is the best game in the world (well, of course) but i hate when people tell you to play real games instead. Now that haven't exactly happened to me. Something similar though. Somebody asked me if i had a Steam account. I replied no. Then he told me that a lot of PC games are working with Steam. Then i told him that the games i play isn't browsed through Steam. And then he told me that most "real" games do.
At that point i was pretty much ready to snap. If people can't accept my fandom, they can't expect me to accept theirs. It would be the same if i said: "Starcraft, World of Warcraft, Call of Duty and Halo sucks! People should play some real games instead!"
Okay, i better cut this rant a little short if i'm to avoid going on for the entire day.
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At that point i was pretty much ready to snap. If people can't accept my fandom, they can't expect me to accept theirs. It would be the same if i said: "Starcraft, World of Warcraft, Call of Duty and Halo sucks! People should play some real games instead!"
I would be more like "At least I'm taking the time to search the games I like and not just take the ones in the commercials!"
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"Starcraft, World of Warcraft, Call of Duty and Halo sucks! People should play some real games instead!"
Please to remover Starcraft from that list as it is bloody awesome. Also CoD 2 was really good. 3 was shit but I haven't played anything after that
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:V oh god...
I have a friend who palyed Stepmania a lot, and then he uploaded a Video of a Step chart he created for the song "Toho Mathamatics" (ya know... the IOSYS thing).
I listen to it and thought: where the hell is this from... it sounds like a Final Boss theme...
No research...
Then watched Every Lucky Star episode and klicked onto one of those "related" Videos...
It was U.N.Owen was her (C&C Remix) x Lucky Star...
i didn?t know anything about this song...
Then on youtube i found LuizPrower and his "addiction" to touhou.
after that i saw some of his touhou videos, found some other videos and found LevelGuyLG and his "Obscure Game Reviews".
I found a demo of SWR and played it.
I got around sending him a PM asking him where he found those Touhou Games and the Music and he linked me to Doujinstyle... and so got into touhou...
The first game i downloaded was SWR followed by MoF and then i downloaded the older ones (SA was not out by that time)
And that?s about it...
O-Over Drive Drive
O-O-Over Drive Drive
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How anyone sucks so bad that they die on stage 1 of Imperishable Night on easy I do not know.
I know how you feel man. I tried introducing Touhou to 2 friends of mine. The first said: "All you do is dodge dots. Go play a real game like Starcraft"
The 2nd tried it, died on stage 1 of PCB easy, and gave up, saying that Touhou would give him a 5 second life expectancy. (You know what I mean)
It happens to some people. I have quite a bunch of first-timers die to Stage 1. The fact that i didn't know anything about focus-mode when i started playing might have something to do with it.
About friends. I don't know consider anyone my friend if they bash Touhou games without any valid reasons. That's simply the worst thing about it all. People rarely have any valid arguments. There was this bitch who claimed that the games are just hyper-advanced Space Invaders clones that only perverts play. Yeah sure all the characters are girls but that doesn't mean only perverts can enjoy them. That's actually a pretty bad excuse.
A second thing i'm getting rather used to hear is: "Oh my! It looks sooo haard!!! I don't get how you can dodge all that?"
I could respond that this is just the Stage 4 Boss on Hard mode in PCB. Very trivial so to speak.
But that wouldn't solve much. She wouldn't be able to understand that. And i would probably be labeled as a "show-off" or a "no-life" for considering the "impossible games" easy. I might be able to play well on anything below Lunatic but that's not due to some inherent skills. Its due to having played the games for quite some time now. When i became a Touhou player i did get owned on Easy to begin with as well. The games difficulty are in other words a lousy excuse not to play them. You'll learn the skills to get through Easy mode very quickly without any persistency. I know i did.
Lastly: To say that Starcraft is a real game and Touhou isn't is sinful to say the least. I can accept that not everyone thinks that Touhou is the best game in the world (well, of course) but i hate when people tell you to play real games instead. Now that haven't exactly happened to me. Something similar though. Somebody asked me if i had a Steam account. I replied no. Then he told me that a lot of PC games are working with Steam. Then i told him that the games i play isn't browsed through Steam. And then he told me that most "real" games do.
At that point i was pretty much ready to snap. If people can't accept my fandom, they can't expect me to accept theirs. It would be the same if i said: "Starcraft, World of Warcraft, Call of Duty and Halo sucks! People should play some real games instead!"
Okay, i better cut this rant a little short if i'm to avoid going on for the entire day.
I can't agree more. I hate how some people can only play a game if it's "in" and has awesome graphics.
I think everyone should find this interesting: The Top 7 Stereotypical gamers we hate. (http://www.gamesradar.com/f/the-top-7-stereotypical-gamers-we-hate/a-2008032410612871091)
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Their descriptions are the greatest.
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Saw some random Youtube vid showing (i think) MoF, and was like "OH SHIT THIS LOOKS FUN" and I googled around till I could find a download of it.
Got to like MoF Stage 4 on Easy on my second try.
Still I'm pretty new, can only beat the games on Normal.
p.s. Starcraft is manly. WOONGJIN STARS 4 LYFE
p.p.s. Call of Duty went downhill after 2. Call of Duty 3 was console only; nuff' said. Call of Duty 4 had good Singleplayer, but the Multiplayer was HORRIBLE (lolsup I can kill you by shooting you twice in the foot with my perfectly accurate assault rifle with no recoil).
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I remember finding the demo for EoSD about when it was released 7 years ago. I didn't actually know what Touhou was before much later though.
And at that time all I knew about the game was that it has harder than concrete and had some of the most awesome music. =P
Also it was really fun. And now I'm on a great quest to obtain all Touhou games. xD lol
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I found out about the game on shmups.com, when Katchura (the original creator and owner of shrinemaiden.com, going under the name of Seraphim on shmups.com) started talking about it. I signed up into the original boards when there were about 10 active members and we were lucky to get a post every few days. The IRC chat usually had 3 active members in it, no admins or anything. It was usually this guy MARGATROID, who rarely said something, katchura, leviathean, pickie, or I in there. Ahh the good old days of making Hetdegon rage for being a mystia fan.......
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How anyone sucks so bad that they die on stage 1 of Imperishable Night on easy I do not know.
I know how you feel man. I tried introducing Touhou to 2 friends of mine. The first said: "All you do is dodge dots. Go play a real game like Starcraft"
The 2nd tried it, died on stage 1 of PCB easy, and gave up, saying that Touhou would give him a 5 second life expectancy. (You know what I mean)
It happens to some people. I have quite a bunch of first-timers die to Stage 1. The fact that i didn't know anything about focus-mode when i started playing might have something to do with it.
About friends. I don't know consider anyone my friend if they bash Touhou games without any valid reasons. That's simply the worst thing about it all. People rarely have any valid arguments. There was this bitch who claimed that the games are just hyper-advanced Space Invaders clones that only perverts play. Yeah sure all the characters are girls but that doesn't mean only perverts can enjoy them. That's actually a pretty bad excuse.
A second thing i'm getting rather used to hear is: "Oh my! It looks sooo haard!!! I don't get how you can dodge all that?"
I could respond that this is just the Stage 4 Boss on Hard mode in PCB. Very trivial so to speak.
But that wouldn't solve much. She wouldn't be able to understand that. And i would probably be labeled as a "show-off" or a "no-life" for considering the "impossible games" easy. I might be able to play well on anything below Lunatic but that's not due to some inherent skills. Its due to having played the games for quite some time now. When i became a Touhou player i did get owned on Easy to begin with as well. The games difficulty are in other words a lousy excuse not to play them. You'll learn the skills to get through Easy mode very quickly without any persistency. I know i did.
Lastly: To say that Starcraft is a real game and Touhou isn't is sinful to say the least. I can accept that not everyone thinks that Touhou is the best game in the world (well, of course) but i hate when people tell you to play real games instead. Now that haven't exactly happened to me. Something similar though. Somebody asked me if i had a Steam account. I replied no. Then he told me that a lot of PC games are working with Steam. Then i told him that the games i play isn't browsed through Steam. And then he told me that most "real" games do.
At that point i was pretty much ready to snap. If people can't accept my fandom, they can't expect me to accept theirs. It would be the same if i said: "Starcraft, World of Warcraft, Call of Duty and Halo sucks! People should play some real games instead!"
Okay, i better cut this rant a little short if i'm to avoid going on for the entire day.
I know just how you feel when that girl called Touhou a hyped-up space invaders. A girl in my class (otaku) actually knew about Touhou before I talked about it... she said the game was insane and called me a nerd for playing it....
I never really played video games before I found out about Touhou. Games bored me and I gave up on them halfway. I have about 7 or 8 games for my GBA and I haven't touched them after the first time I played them-it was my brother who actually beat them. I remember getting a CycloDS for my NDS-lite, feeling so happy that I could play games like Contra 4, TWEWY, Metal Slug 7, etc and now I only use the NDS for a make-shift Mp3 player to play Touhou music whenever I go out.
P.S. What's really sad about my friend that actually played was the fact that I explained everything to him- Focused movement, bombs, supernatural borders, the point of collection, etc. Hopefully I'll have better luck with showing people Touhou in high school. (probably won't but a man can dream)
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I think everyone should find this interesting: The Top 7 Stereotypical gamers we hate. (http://www.gamesradar.com/f/the-top-7-stereotypical-gamers-we-hate/a-2008032410612871091)
LMAO! #1 has the best description of /v/ I've ever heard.
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5 words:
Marisa Stole The Precious Thing
Someone I know from another forum gave me a link to the youtube video 3 years ago and one thing simply led to another.
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I'm sure Shoot the Bullet was the first game I heard about and Imperishable Night was the first game I played many years ago. Marisa Stole the Precious Thing and that one with Reisen in it also got me started. I didn't even hear U.N. Owen was her? until much later (last year).
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How anyone sucks so bad that they die on stage 1 of Imperishable Night on easy I do not know.
I know how you feel man. I tried introducing Touhou to 2 friends of mine. The first said: "All you do is dodge dots. Go play a real game like Starcraft"
The 2nd tried it, died on stage 1 of PCB easy, and gave up, saying that Touhou would give him a 5 second life expectancy. (You know what I mean)
It happens to some people. I have quite a bunch of first-timers die to Stage 1. The fact that i didn't know anything about focus-mode when i started playing might have something to do with it.
About friends. I don't know consider anyone my friend if they bash Touhou games without any valid reasons. That's simply the worst thing about it all. People rarely have any valid arguments. There was this bitch who claimed that the games are just hyper-advanced Space Invaders clones that only perverts play. Yeah sure all the characters are girls but that doesn't mean only perverts can enjoy them. That's actually a pretty bad excuse.
A second thing i'm getting rather used to hear is: "Oh my! It looks sooo haard!!! I don't get how you can dodge all that?"
I could respond that this is just the Stage 4 Boss on Hard mode in PCB. Very trivial so to speak.
But that wouldn't solve much. She wouldn't be able to understand that. And i would probably be labeled as a "show-off" or a "no-life" for considering the "impossible games" easy. I might be able to play well on anything below Lunatic but that's not due to some inherent skills. Its due to having played the games for quite some time now. When i became a Touhou player i did get owned on Easy to begin with as well. The games difficulty are in other words a lousy excuse not to play them. You'll learn the skills to get through Easy mode very quickly without any persistency. I know i did.
Lastly: To say that Starcraft is a real game and Touhou isn't is sinful to say the least. I can accept that not everyone thinks that Touhou is the best game in the world (well, of course) but i hate when people tell you to play real games instead. Now that haven't exactly happened to me. Something similar though. Somebody asked me if i had a Steam account. I replied no. Then he told me that a lot of PC games are working with Steam. Then i told him that the games i play isn't browsed through Steam. And then he told me that most "real" games do.
At that point i was pretty much ready to snap. If people can't accept my fandom, they can't expect me to accept theirs. It would be the same if i said: "Starcraft, World of Warcraft, Call of Duty and Halo sucks! People should play some real games instead!"
Okay, i better cut this rant a little short if i'm to avoid going on for the entire day.
I know just how you feel when that girl called Touhou a hyped-up space invaders. A girl in my class (otaku) actually knew about Touhou before I talked about it... she said the game was insane and called me a nerd for playing it....
I never really played video games before I found out about Touhou. Games bored me and I gave up on them halfway. I have about 7 or 8 games for my GBA and I haven't touched them after the first time I played them-it was my brother who actually beat them. I remember getting a CycloDS for my NDS-lite, feeling so happy that I could play games like Contra 4, TWEWY, Metal Slug 7, etc and now I only use the NDS for a make-shift Mp3 player to play Touhou music whenever I go out.
P.S. What's really sad about my friend that actually played was the fact that I explained everything to him- Focused movement, bombs, supernatural borders, the point of collection, etc. Hopefully I'll have better luck with showing people Touhou in high school. (probably won't but a man can dream)
I'm hoping i can create some players when i go to my new school as well. Let's wish each others good luck.
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I can't remember the dates, but as a fan of the anime art style, I've been viewing images on 4chan's /a/ and /c/ boards for years now. Very infrequently I used to come across Touhou threads and noted the exceptionally high fanart quality. I think one of the first pieces I ever saw and was stricken by was of Sakuya serving tea in the library to Patchouli, who was writing something in quill. I didn't know their names back then or at least I hadn't committed them to my memory yet. Despite this, Patchouli's image of that as an intellectual had stuck in my head and made her an instant favorite for me, although not knowing much at the time, I made the mistake of thinking Sakuya was Patchy's servant.
Looking into the matter further did me not much good however, as I've been a Macintosh user all my life and may as well be illiterate when it comes to japanese. I've mostly ignored it, with the exception of enjoying those once rare times when a Touhou thread would surface and I would get to see the pretty art. Well, about a month before /jp/ lost any resemblance as to what you might uncertainly call actual japanese culture, I found a thread on the 4chan archive once more exhibiting the wonderful quality of fanstuffs. I ended up making the mistake of spamming all the images into a friend's chat window and telling him what little I knew about the series. After the introduction had been made, I could no longer remain in my quaint general ignorance of the series, as pretty much nonstop I'd keep on hearing about how wonderful the gameplay was and all the character interactions, be linked to various Touhou related videos ect. We've fueled each others addictions since then, though I think at the moment mine is currently stronger. Now even with Boot Camp, I still don't actually play the games, Perfect Cherry Blossom demo aside, as for personal reasons I've had no means of electronic payment.
Funnily enough, shortly after I introduced my friend to it, the Touhou fandom on 4chan seems to have exploded. This is probably due to the nature change of /jp/.
As for the off topic conversation, Golbeze did indeed become a good guy at the end of FF IV. The true orchestrater of events, Zemus, was actually somewhat of a disappointment as he got the least development and screen time of any of the game's villains.
I personally feel that graphics don't have to meet high technological standards or even appear realistic in order to look beautiful. I feel the SNES not only had the best selection of games but perhaps even the best overall aesthetic of any video game system to date. Sometimes, rarely, the look of a game will detract from the experience for me. However, games like Space Invaders and Pong are proof enough that a game can be great without any bells and whistles at all, if the core gameplay fun enough. Too many people get caught up about one aspect or another about video games to see what really matters: Is it enjoyable? A pleasing appearance is only one aspect of the palatability of a video game and I too feel that it is the most overrated one.
P.S: Hi everybody. I'm new, obviously.
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I found out about the game on shmups.com, when Katchura (the original creator and owner of shrinemaiden.com, going under the name of Seraphim on shmups.com) started talking about it. I signed up into the original boards when there were about 10 active members and we were lucky to get a post every few days. The IRC chat usually had 3 active members in it, no admins or anything. It was usually this guy MARGATROID, who rarely said something, katchura, leviathean, pickie, or I in there. Ahh the good old days of making Hetdegon rage for being a mystia fan.......
Oh god, you must be a fossil. I didn't know "pickie" was that old.
As for me, I've been introduced to Touhou in late 2004. My first experience was the PCB demo. I died on Stage 3, but it was awesome. I still consider Alice's danmaku to be the most refined out of all Stage 3 bosses. Nowadays I'm more on lurking mode, but I am still very fond and watching eagerly its development. Actually, I just recently finished what's translated about CoLA and thought it was great.
About the current discussion, "graphics" is just a feature like anything else and different people have different affinities towards certain features. Don't hate them if they prioritize certain things, but naturally it is a mistake if they lean to heavy towards it (just like anything) and ignore everything else.
I'd be more careful if you want to introduce people to Touhou. Is it necessary that they should feel the same as you did? Is it even possible given their inclinations? Is Touhou really better than what they have? If some people made a really stupid remark about Touhou, maybe it's because you did something you shouldn't have (maybe).
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I was watching ddp doj videos on the tubes (intentionally, from a superplay link or something). That lead to Mushihimesama, which somehow lead to a laggy Cho Ren Sha video, which somehow lead to a tate'd Triggerheart Exelica video (one of two that existed at the time).
Then I finally stumbled upon Dracil's infamous IN Extra replay from there. The aesthetics and music quickly drew me in, and I spent the next month scouring for a demo. It was nice to be able to pursue a game that wasn't PCB only, and that I could actually try before buying.
Tru fax
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i've only ever played RPG games in my life. i have friends who play shmups but i never liked the whole war themes.
then one day i watched a mushihimesama video on youtube and loved it because it wasn't about WWII or futuristic or whatever and decided to download the iso to play... got hooked on it and even got to the TLB once on Arrange mode... Then i got bored of it...
So I looked for another shmup and found out about Touhou. I first played IN but I don't remember why I didn't play much. I think my gamepad had just broken... Over a year later I was bored at work and found a link to download all the games so I dowloaded them and started playing MoF because I had just gotten bored of Dragon Quest 8... That's been about a month ago and I still can't beat Kanako on Normal :(