Welcome to Faster Than Light Mafia, Captain!
You have been chosen to pilot the ravaging Pirate ship, The Osprey
You lead a daring group of Pirate mercenaries, composed of all sorts of races who somehow manage to get along, mostly because they get paid pretty damn well. One of the most feared band of pirates in the galaxy, your crew is expertly trained in all manner of space combat, from your surefire Zoltan gunner, fast-thinking Slug navigator, your trusty Engie repairman, your cunning Mantis boarder and his pal the solid, grizzly Rockman. And your mighty ship, the Osprey, is seemingly unstoppable even amid the brutal war going on around you. But war pays damn well.
Your team is up to any task, so long as it's worth the scrap, and you've been given an offer you can't refuse, the opportunity to end the last hope of the Federation and the promise of any scrap you can pry off of anyone who gets in your way. Even better, the Rebels promise an even bigger reward if you can help pull a win off in the end.
Your ship's special ability is:
Artillery Beam, a terrifying weapon so large that it needed a ship designed around it.
The Artillery Beam is a massive beam weapon built on your ship's underside, which, when fully charged and fired, can easily destroy any ship it fires upon. It can cut through any shield, pierce any hull, and cut through all but the largest of ships. Only the mightiest ship known in the galaxy, the Rebel Flagship, is believed to be big and tough enough to survive this weapon's cutting force. Of course, a weapon this powerful takes an extreme amount of time to charge, so long that even nearly done charging, you'll still have to wait through two Combat Cycles to even have the option of using it, and after that you likely won't have the chance to use it until the battle is long over. To fire this devastating laser, PM the command ##Artillery Beam: Playername
You can only use this during a Scrapping Cycle.
You wish to scrap the Federation ships, and thus this space combat won't stop until you've destroyed their entire force.
tldr you're the Rebel Delayed 1-Shot Strongman Vig.
No, you ##Vote Serela because jargon is non indicative of alignment, he's therefore obviously trying to mislynch random people, obvious scum is obvious top kekAnd because people who talk about how orange and town they are are obviously scum
And because people who talk about how orange and town they are are obviously scum> Query: What was the purpose of making this statement? Do you doubt captain Selery's allegiance to the Fleet?
> Query: What was the purpose of making this statement? Do you doubt captain Selery's allegiance to the Fleet?What was the purpose of asking this question? It's RVS. So no. There's not enough information to doubt anyone's allegiance at this point.
Neko, can you please at least copy/paste the non-flavor rules to the first post?Done.
And because people who talk about how orange and town they are are obviously scumMaybe 'people', but Captain Serela tends to speak his mind, and I had the same thought when I glanced at my ship.
##Vote: SB
You know who else's role PM would make them think they're scum? Scum, that's who.
##Target Conqueror for making us do this like someone who actually wants to play##Vote: Shadowehmafiabattleships.
And because people who talk about how orange and town they are are obviously scum
... It's RVS. So no. There's not enough information to doubt anyone's allegiance at this point.Then why are you so noisy about it? Or is that just contra revolutionary propaganda?
##Vote: SBWhat about Selery?
You know who else's role PM would make them think they're scum? Scum, that's who.
MurrInYou misspelled your name :o
No, you ##Vote Serela because jargon is non indicative of alignment, he's therefore obviously trying to mislynch random people, obvious scum is obvious top kekSerious or RVS?
It is my belief that Shadoweh and Serela are true loyalists to the Rebel Army.Why?
I am keeping my sights on those who speak out against their loyalty.
What about Selery?
Why would you grill SB over his statement, which would be stupid coming from Scum?I disagree. I've seen this type of "confused about role pm" statement enough from scum (trying to gather townpoints) and town (also trying to gather townpoints, or just genuinely confused) that I don't think it's too farfetched to have come from any alignment. So I usually ignore statements like that because I see them as generally null.
What was the purpose of asking this question? It's RVS. So no. There's not enough information to doubt anyone's allegiance at this point.> This ship mirrors captain Dorian White's sentiment in that it seemed dubious that you would take the effort to make a second post jabbing at captain Selery without doubting their allegiance to the Fleet. Assuming you hold no hostile intentions against captain Selery, your attempt to damage their reputation would have been unnecessary. Therefore, this ship postulates that you hold unexplained hostile intentions against captain Selery.
Conq adequately clarified that: Scum is generally red, Town is green, ITP can be anything. Thinking you're Scum based on an Orange role PM is more suspicious than thinking you're ITP because of the same.> Query: Why would captain SB's statement be stupid coming from the Federation? You seemed to agree with captain Conqueror that captain SB's confusion in regards to his ship assignment was somewhat suspicious, and stated that it was time for us to get serious; then, what was bad about captain Conqueror's argument?
##Vote: Conqueror
I do think it's time we make an effort past jotevoking though, and Conqueror's vote has all the tone of a serious vote and yet its origins are as terrible as Greece's debt management. (Too soon?) Why would you grill SB over his statement, which would be stupid coming from Scum? I get that we want to move beyond RVS but that's a pretty terrible point to start it out with.
>I agree with Dorian, Murrin is scummy for attacking Serely again without getting a scumread from that. If you are town, you won't do that, therefore you are scummy.
>Why is SB statement scummy? Bard agreed with conq that SB may be confused over his PM, and has expressed intent to get out of RVS, Bard's scummy read for conq is odd.
##unvote ##Vote Darkninjaabc
I disagree! Whilst the fluff makes Raitaki's post bigger, I don't think it's actually to a scummy or obfuscating degree here, nor that his level of content is actually problematically low, especially for this point in the game.
What is bad about Raitaki's content itself?This, this I have a much bigger bone to pick with.
> Query: Why would captain SB's statement be stupid coming from the Federation? You seemed to agree with captain Conqueror that captain SB's confusion in regards to his ship assignment was somewhat suspicious, and stated that it was time for us to get serious; then, what was bad about captain Conqueror's argument?
Raitaki's entire second statement is basically a loaded question at Bard over a strawman Raitaki raised himself. Raitaki first implied that Bard agrees with conq's view over SB's confusion, which didn't happen as Bard hasn't posted since conq's response, and was actually doubting the legitimacy of conq's vote before that. Yet Raitaki decided to accuse Bard anyway, noting that Bard is clearly not doing an RVS vote, and using a rhetoric to point out Bard's supposed 'contradiction'.> This ship identified this statement as an agreement:
Conq adequately clarified that: Scum is generally red, Town is green, ITP can be anything. Thinking you're Scum based on an Orange role PM is more suspicious than thinking you're ITP because of the same.> This ship was also not accusing captain Bardiche of any wrongdoing. In this post:
Conq adequately clarified that: Scum is generally red, Town is green, ITP can be anything. Thinking you're Scum based on an Orange role PM is more suspicious than thinking you're ITP because of the same.> Four things happened: One, captain Bardiche agreed about captain SB being suspicious, or at least was thinking along the same lines. Two, captain Bardiche stated that it was time to get serious. Three, captain Conqueror's targeting of captain SB was a questionable move, considering that it appeared to be serious. Four, captain SB's statement was stupid coming from the Federation. Connecting the dots, this ship concluded that captain Bardiche was at worst indifferent to both the fact the captain SB said something suspicious and the fact that captain Conqueror made a serious move, and that captain Bardiche's only objection was over the fact what captain SB said would be stupid if it was coming from the Federation. This ship's intention was only for captain Bardiche to explain why said statement was stupid for Federation despite the fact it was suspicious. This ship was not accusing captain Bardiche of not being serious or any other wrongdoings.
##Vote: Conqueror
I do think it's time we make an effort past jotevoking though, and Conqueror's vote has all the tone of a serious vote and yet its origins are as terrible as Greece's debt management. (Too soon?) Why would you grill SB over his statement, which would be stupid coming from Scum? I get that we want to move beyond RVS but that's a pretty terrible point to start it out with.
> This ship identified this statement as an agreement: Conq adequately clarified that: Scum is generally red, Town is green, ITP can be anything. Thinking you're Scum based on an Orange role PM is more suspicious than thinking you're ITP because of the same.Then you misrepped Bard, I am quite certain that statement is evidence that Bard provided to proof the ridiculousness of Conq's vote, you know, in order to vote against him.
This ship was also not accusing captain Bardiche of any wrongdoing.But you are throwing a rhetoric at Bard, and implicating him for a glaring intent contradiction behind his vote, before he even responded! Perhaps you should actually explain better?
Four things happened:First one didn't happen. Bardiche was citing Conq's words, and attacking Conq with them. Your inferring that wrongly, hence, strawman.
> captain Bardiche agreed about captain SB being suspicious, or at least was thinking along the same lines.
> captain Bardiche stated that it was time to get serious.
> captain Conqueror's targeting of captain SB was a questionable move, considering that it appeared to be serious.
> captain SB's statement was stupid coming from the Federation.
So by 'stupid for Federation', I suppose you mean scummy. Okay, so you want Bard to explain why his vote was scummy even if it was suspicious....whaaat? So you want him to prove himself guilty? There's probably something I am missing here, but far as how your wording is literally concerned, that seems to be a pretty loaded question imo from the get-go, hence my questioning.
Connecting the dots, this ship concluded that;
> captain Bardiche was at worst indifferent to both the fact
1. the captain SB said something suspicious
2. captain Conqueror made a serious move
> and captain Bardiche's only objection was over the fact what captain SB said would be stupid if it was coming from the Federation.
This ship's intention was only for captain Bardiche to explain why said statement was stupid for Federation despite the fact it was suspicious.
This ship was not accusing captain Bardiche of not being serious or any other wrongdoings.
> This ship notes with annoyance that such a minor query shouldn't have necessitated such high expectations and such a detailed explanation.I expected coherence, which frankly shouldn't be that high of an expectation, even for RVS. For those who aren't using a jumble of codewords to express a simple idea.
Also curious as to Bard's inactivity, because usually he would've jumped to defend himself for this blatant misrep by now.perhaps
First one didn't happen. Bardiche was citing Conq's words, and attacking Conq with them. Your inferring that wrongly, hence, strawman.> This ship wonders, then, why captain Bardiche cited those sentiments in response to captain Shalako's query on why captain SB was a Federation agent for reacting to their own ship assignment but captain Selery wasn't, and even worded his response as "Conq adequately[/i] clarified that". As a troubleshooting step, this ship requests you explain the meaning of the adverb "adequately" to it.
The logic link behind the second and third one are too just plain weird. Conq voted SB before Bard's statement, so if anything, Bard is the one concluding Conq's SB vote is trying to get us out of RVS, so the cause and effect here clearly don't add up.> This ship would like to append that the four things that this ship pointed out in the excerpt quoted was things that happened in the quoted excerpt. These are not this ship's opinions on the proceedings, these are this ship's interpretations of captain Bardiche's words. This ship merely accidentally omitted the preceding "captain Bardiche said that" due to unconsciously trying to avoid repeating the same thing four times. This ship thinks that it was still fairly obvious that the last two points were things that captain Bardiche stated in the post quoted.
SB is stupid, okay, whatever, sure, SB is stupid in your opinion. But that's, like, your own opinion, which wasn't even supposed to be a 'thing' that happened. So you are still wrong for treating it as an objective truth.> If captain Darkninjaabc would read, he would be aware that this was something captain Bardiche said, which this ship is questioning captain Bardiche about. This ship cannot even start to comprehend why it would ask captain Bardiche to clarify that if that was this ship's opinion.
So by 'stupid for Federation', I suppose you mean scummy> Captain Bardiche said that captain SB's statement was stupid for the Federation, or "stupid for scum". From your conclusion, does that mean captain Bardiche thought captain SB was 'scum' for his statement? No, it doesn't. This ship fails to comprehend why you applied this leap of logic to this ship's posts, but not to captain Bardiche's.
I expected coherence, which frankly shouldn't be that high of an expectation, even for RVS. For those who aren't using a jumble of codewords to express a simple idea.> This ship requests you to point out the codewords it used. Was it "this ship"? "The Federation"? "Captain"? "Ship assignment"? "Query"? This ship thinks that what these terms mean should be painfully obvious if you have been paying any attention to the political situation ("the game's flavor"). Additionally, this ship was perturbed by your attempts to compare its posts to its "town insights last game", which occurred at critical junctions when previous information was available, to a neutral, minor question, made to gather more information in a situation where there was little.
Upon rereading (lol) I actually want to do this
##Unvote
##Vote: SB
Originally I thought SB said he thought he was "scum", but now I see he said "mafia".
So SB, what made you think you were mafia instead of third party, given orange is a pretty unusual color for mafia but a more common color for third party? I know I thought I'd finally gotten the SK role I'd always wanted.
it's rather disingenuous to then disregard Darkninja's response to explain how much time has passed. I'd have expected a bit more effort to rebut Darkninja or accept his reasons for suspecting Raitaki, but Serela does neither.I knew making that post was a bad idea z.z Even if I say I'm not ACTUALLY making a post until later, no one's going to care because I posted (in other news I've been asleep for the past 3 hours and just woke up so I'm going to continue being a terrible person for a little bit longer)
Conq adequately clarified that: Scum is generally red, Town is green, ITP can be anything. Thinking you're Scum based on an Orange role PM is more suspicious than thinking you're ITP because of the same.The argument between DNA and Raitaki resulted from this post.
##Vote: Conqueror
I do think it's time we make an effort past jotevoking though, and Conqueror's vote has all the tone of a serious vote and yet its origins are as terrible as Greece's debt management. (Too soon?) Why would you grill SB over his statement, which would be stupid coming from Scum? I get that we want to move beyond RVS but that's a pretty terrible point to start it out with.
Worse than Conqueror's vote on SB is Serela's vote on Darkninja. Disagreeing re: Raitaki's fluff is fine and all, but after asking "what's bad about Raitaki's content itself?", it's rather disingenuous to then disregard Darkninja's response to explain how much time has passed. I'd have expected a bit more effort to rebut Darkninja or accept his reasons for suspecting Raitaki, but Serela does neither.To me, Selery's "I'm going to post later" post looks sincere. I'm not sure I like Selery's vote for DNA though because it seems to imply that he thinks Raitaki's content was OK, which I disagree with because I really don't like this statement:
[Bard] seemed to agree with captain Conqueror that captain SB's confusion in regards to his ship assignment was somewhat suspiciousbecause this never happened. Bard never said he agreed that SB's confusion about his role PM was suspicious. I see where Raitaki could have just misunderstood, but I still don't like it.
there was no reason for Serela to ask that question ["What is bad about Raitaki's content itself?"] when it wasn't related to DNA's vote.The question was related to DNA's vote. Why would DNA vote for Raitaki if he didn't have a problem with Raitaki's content? "I think Raitaki's content is good. I'm going to vote him though." I think asking about what DNA thinks of Raitaki's content is quite relevant to DNA's vote. Also, DNA explicitly stated that Raitaki has "empty content."
> This ship requests you to point out the codewords it used. Was it "this ship"? "The Federation"? "Captain"? "Ship assignment"? "Query"? This ship thinks that what these terms mean should be painfully obvious if you have been paying any attention to the political situation ("the game's flavor"). Additionally, this ship was perturbed by your attempts to compare its posts to its "town insights last game", which occurred at critical junctions when previous information was available, to a neutral, minor question, made to gather more information in a situation where there was little.If I now start replacing scum, town and scummy in every post I make with Pizza, Foodstuff and Is Dastardly Delicious Against Our Agenda because I have a food flavored mafia, you should at least expect to get on someone's nerves because it just stops being funny after RVS and trying to keep using that can and will impede how fast we can understand your arguments, that's trolling others. Not everyone has enough free time nor patience to entertain your shenanigans. That's on a whole new level than me using generally agreed slangs within the maf community. Come on, this isn't your first day of playing, and if this proceeds longer its only going to get less and less acceptable.
> This ship is most disturbed by captain Darkninjaabc's repeated attempts to discredit it, using buzzwords such as "rhetoric", "misrep" and "strawman", without even earnestly attempting to comprehend this ship's explanations. This ship hereby accuses captain Darkninjaabc of the same crimes he had accused this ship of.
Uh, Murrin, can you please better explain why you are voting Raitaki then? Because if you dismiss the Raitaki/DNA exchange, there's literally nothing left of Raitaki's posts, and yet, you are citing Raitaki explicitly and pointing out the false premises established by Raitaki, of which you found scummy. That's contradictory. The explanation right now is quite haphazard and disjoined, please clarify.
To me, Selery's "I'm going to post later" post looks sincere. I'm not sure I like Selery's vote for DNA though because it seems to imply that he thinks Raitaki's content was OK, which I disagree with because I really don't like this statement: because this never happened. Bard never said he agreed that SB's confusion about his role PM was suspicious. I see where Raitaki could have just misunderstood, but I still don't like it.
I'm a little bit more suspicious of Raitaki than of Selery right now. Raitaki said something happened that didn't happen (and in turn directed empty suspicion onto someone), and Selery implied that he at the time agreed with Raitaki's content in general. To me, both of these actions are equally suspicious, but my gut is telling me that Raitaki is slightly more suspicious than Selery.
##Unvote
##Target: Raitaki
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DNA/Raitaki's argument is mostly just miscommunicating. So it gives me almost no information. But I am (tentatively) reading DNA as Town.
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Also,for your 'four things happened' thing, I wasn't misrepping you. I was separating those events by the numbers of which you provided yourself. That ain't no fault of mine if you are tripping over your own points and people can't 'understand' your 'true intentions'.
...That's interesting. You see what Raitaki mistook as agreement? And therefore you should be able to see that this misunderstanding would make Bards point seem contradictory to Raitaki, right?
To me, Selery's "I'm going to post later" post looks sincere. I'm not sure I like Selery's vote for DNA though because it seems to imply that he thinks Raitaki's content was OK, which I disagree with because I really don't like this statement:[Bard] seemed to agree with captain Conqueror that captain SB's confusion in regards to his ship assignment was somewhat suspiciousbecause this never happened. Bard never said he agreed that SB's confusion about his role PM was suspicious. I see where Raitaki could have just misunderstood, but I still don't like it.
I'm a little bit more suspicious of Raitaki than of Selery right now. Raitaki said something happened that didn't happen (and in turn directed empty suspicion onto someone), and Selery implied that he at the time agreed with Raitaki's content in general. To me, both of these actions are equally suspicious, but my gut is telling me that Raitaki is slightly more suspicious than Selery.
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Why?Because of reasons.
Uh, Murrin, can you please better explain why you are voting Raitaki then? Because if you dismiss the Raitaki/DNA exchange, there's literally nothing left of Raitaki's posts, and yet, you are citing Raitaki explicitly and pointing out the false premises established by Raitaki, of which you found scummy. That's contradictory. The explanation right now is quite haphazard and disjoined, please clarify.Simple.
DNA/Raitaki's argument is mostly just miscommunicating. So it gives me almost no information.There is one very important word in there.
Cause if you see that, then why did you see Raitaki ?directed empty suspicion onto someone? when I just saw a request for clarification?Could you clarify the part I emboldened? I don't understand what you are asking here. (A request from whom to whom for clarification about what?)
...It's here where Raitaki asked Bard to clarify the supposed contradiction. The very point that you quoted and presented as empty suspicion.
> Query: Why would captain SB's statement be stupid coming from the Federation? You seemed to agree with captain Conqueror that captain SB's confusion in regards to his ship assignment was somewhat suspicious, and stated that it was time for us to get serious; then, what was bad about captain Conqueror's argument?
Simple. There is one very important word in there.
"Almost."
You absolutely cannot say that I said or implied that I completely dismissed the DNA/Raitaki argument.
Sure, you can say I dismissed most of the argument, and I did dismiss most of the argument, because most of the argument is just you and Raitaki miscommunicating with each other.
Also, even if you WERE to take my comment as dismissing the DNA/Raitaki argument, your argument would be complete bullshit anyway, because the only reference I actually made to Raitaki was from a post that was addressed to Bardiche, which Raitaki made before the argument between you and Raitaki actually started.
Here's the progression of events:
1) Raitaki makes a post in which he votes for me and poses a question to Bard.
2) You respond to Raitaki's post. <-----THE ARGUMENT STARTED HERE. Raitaki wasn't talking to you before this point, and you weren't talking to Raitaki before this point.
That whole 'gotcha' semantic thing, strong language and the tactical bolds and caps are kinda annoying. And I didn't even launch an argument at you in the first place. I just asked for clarification because of the wording. You are getting worked up over nothing.Part of the reason I responded the way I did is because your post to me looked like you were basically saying I was voting for Raitaki based on nothing. And to me, voting based on nothing is suspicious. And for my own standards for myself, doing something suspicious or allowing someone to convince others I did something suspicious is not good play, because it can cause a mislynch. And I take mafia games (too) seriously most of the time, so I want to play really really well. So since I perceived your post as implying that I'm suspicious, I attacked it pretty much as hard as possible.
Even with that aside, 'gut' is a poor and lazy excuse to vote someone, especially when you are using anecdotal evidence between two players such as 'suspiciousness'. If instead you elaborated properly your view on what's you consider to be 'normal', then you could've easily quantified said doubt towards the player behavior and actually give us something meaningful which we could analyze.
What I wanted to hear was how exactly is Raitaki more scummy than Serela in your opinion. Because you just tossed out a bunch of unbacked claims out there and I was trying to make the most out of it. Thus me asking for clarification and with the intent of prompting you to go beyond cherry picking arguments.
Like, geez, I know you are new to the game, but chill.
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Because you just tossed out a bunch of unbacked claims out there and I was trying to make the most out of it.Could you clarify this?
Even with that aside, 'gut' is a poor and lazy excuse to vote someone, especially when you are using anecdotal evidence between two players such as 'suspiciousness'. If instead you elaborated properly your view on what's you consider to be 'normal', then you could've easily quantified said doubt towards the player behavior and actually give us something meaningful which we could analyze.
@Shalako: I'm not sure how familiar you are with this game, so here is a small hint: you are supposed to vote someone by now.When I was a young child my parents were murdered in front of me in a dark ally by a RVS Band Wagon. Since then I've sworn revenge on all RVS. Like Uncle Benihana used to say before he was cut down in the prime of his life in a totally avoidable Wagon
I know I thought I'd finally gotten the SK role I'd always wanted.SK is hands down my fave role, it's all the fun of being Town with all the Murder of being Mafia!
Conq adequately clarified that: Scum is generally red, Town is green, ITP can be anything. Thinking you're Scum based on an Orange role PM is more suspicious than thinking you're ITP because of the same.ITP?
Nothing is too terrible for ending RVS.Agreed as someone who hates VS
Even with that aside, 'gut' is a poor and lazy excuse to vote someoneDisagree. Even more so with it being day one and the...rather poor interactions so far.
Assuming you hold no hostile intentions against captain Selery, your attempt to damage their reputation would have been unnecessary. Therefore, this ship postulates that you hold unexplained hostile intentions against captain Selery.:wat:
unecessarily complicated roleplay fluff to fake effort.I'd love to hear why his enjoyable roleplay is overly complicated.
Also, please, formatting;First one didn't happen. Bardiche was citing Conq's words, and attacking Conq with them. Your inferring that wrongly, hence, strawman.Why do you think he lied about events that happened to attack a strawman argument instead of simply being wrong with his interpretation of events that happened?
> This ship wonders, then, why captain Bardiche cited those sentiments in response to captain Shalako's query on why captain SB was a Federation agent for reacting to their own ship assignment but captain Selery wasn't, and even worded his response as "Conq adequately[/i] clarified that". As a troubleshooting step, this ship requests you explain the meaning of the adverb "adequately" to it.Agreed.
> This ship is most disturbed by captain Darkninjaabc's repeated attempts to discredit it, using buzzwords such as "rhetoric", "misrep" and "strawman", without even earnestly attempting to comprehend this ship's explanations. This ship hereby accuses captain Darkninjaabc of the same crimes he had accused this ship of.Disagree.
And for my own standards for myself, doing something suspicious or allowing someone to convince others I did something suspicious is not good play, because it can cause a mislynch. And I take mafia games (too) seriously most of the time, so I want to play really really well. So since I perceived your post as implying that I'm suspicious, I attacked it pretty much as hard as possible.Oh, I'm the only one here with a Meta on you Murren? Maybe I shouldn't feed you signals about what your townie tells are, it'll come bite me in the long run :V
Because of reasons.I know your reasons, But I thought Selery and Serela were different people so consider it a moot point.
And considering some of the messier things Raitaki had handled last game, and how I find some of his town insights to be actually very poignant, this sudden drop in the quality of his posts comes along as very out of the left field, hence, vote.
Even with that aside, 'gut' is a poor and lazy excuse to vote someoneRed Flag.
That's interesting. You see what Raitaki mistook as agreement? And therefore you should be able to see that this misunderstanding would make Bards point seem contradictory to Raitaki, right?I see Raitaki "directing empty suspicion" because he implied that he didn't see anything wrong with Conqueror's argument, and thus implied that he didn't see the reasoning behind Bardiche's vote for Conqueror. And (in my opinion) voting for someone based on poor reasoning is suspicious. Thus, I saw Raitaki directing (slight) suspicion toward Bardiche.
Cause if you see that, then why did you see Raitaki ?directed empty suspicion onto someone? when I just saw a request for clarification?
And am I now as suspicious as Serela for also failing to see the problem with Raitakis content? :CI'll think about this one, but probably not because you explained yourself well and I think I can see your reasoning.
And (in my opinion) voting for someone based on poor reasoning is suspicious.It would have made more sense probably for me to say "insufficient reasoning" instead of "poor reasoning."
I see Raitaki "directing empty suspicion" because he implied that he didn't see anything wrong with Conqueror's argument, and thus implied that he didn't see the reasoning behind Bardiche's vote for Conqueror. And (in my opinion) voting for someone based on poor reasoning is suspicious. Thus, I saw Raitaki directing (slight) suspicion toward Bardiche.It probably would have made more sense in the context of my argument for me to say "insufficient reasoning" instead of "poor reasoning" here.
I can defend myself quite fine. I agree that SB saying they were confused at first is a Little Bit Weird because he shouldn't have thought he'd be Scum based on an Orange PM. However, if he were actually Scum, that'd be a stupid thing to state: "Hey guys I mistook myself for being Scum without QT!"
Basically, a Scum!SB wouldn't claim he missed the QT link if he had one, and an ITP!SB still wouldn't broadcast it. That's just weird and goes against all conventions of Not Retarded Play. Conqueror making what looks and smells like a serious vote over that was the first worthy thing to vote someone for. It's not durable in the slightest.
SK is hands down my fave role, it's all the fun of being Town with all the Murder of being Mafia!Y'all don't get it. This isn't a question of "scum wouldn't do this" because, like I said, I have seen scum do just what I said in order to get this "town cred". This isn't a question of "too retarded for scum to do" or not. It's something that scum has, verifiably in the past, done. So I'm not sure why you're claiming something that scum has done before is impossible for scum to do. I'm sure other people can back me up on this.
I find the whole "I thought I was non-town because of Oranges" rather ridiculous what with the Sample Role being Orange.
So Mafia know Town are Orange so why argue that someone is more town for leaking Role info everybody knows?
The argument about Mafia doing it to seem town also falls apart for the same reasons. Why would Mafia expect to get Townie points for saying things people who aren't color-blind know?
I kind of find the way Serela only bothered to acknowledge a small part of the post weirdBut the post was only two sentences long :S In any case if I disagree that the content is too sparse or otherwise disqualified for a "low content" vote then yes, I think it's entirely fair to ask why DNA thinks the content is problematic; even if he's voting it just for being small he'd at least be able to clarify why it's not enough, since the amount he had quoted was a pretty decent bit for this early in the game. (I'm only justifying my vote at the time since I no longer actually think DNA is scummy, at least not for that) And re:Bard (even though I already talked about this earlier) I wasn't really ignoring DNA to continue voting on him, rather I was saying I wasn't actually really making a mafia post at the time and was going to get around to that later, which is why there was no response to his response, but anyway moving onto things that actually matter because that's old news already
Even with that aside, 'gut' is a poor and lazy excuse to vote someone, especially when you are using anecdotal evidence between two players such as 'suspiciousness'. If instead you elaborated properly your view on what's you consider to be 'normal', then you could've easily quantified said doubt towards the player behavior and actually give us something meaningful which we could analyze.The thing is, it was just gut. I didn't have a reason other than that to choose Raitaki over Selery. And since I didn't think terribly deeply about what Selery's vote and Raitaki's query toward Bardiche could imply, now would be a good time to re-evaluate.
I'm a little bit more suspicious of Raitaki than of Selery right now. Raitaki said something happened that didn't happen (and in turn directed empty suspicion onto someone), and Selery implied that he at the time agreed with Raitaki's content in general. To me, both of these actions are equally suspicious, but my gut is telling me that Raitaki is slightly more suspicious than Selery.Being suspicious of me is fine, but why is Serela implying to agree with my content as suspicious as me posting that content to begin with? Shalako just said that he agreed with part of what I posted too, what do you think about that?
[Bard] seemed to agree with captain Conqueror that captain SB's confusion in regards to his ship assignment was somewhat suspicious
because I really don't like this statement: because this never happened. Bard never said he agreed that SB's confusion about his role PM was suspicious. I see where Raitaki could have just misunderstood, but I still don't like it.
I'm a little bit more suspicious of Raitaki than of Selery right now. Raitaki said something happened that didn't happen (and in turn directed empty suspicion onto someone), and Selery implied that he at the time agreed with Raitaki's content in general. To me, both of these actions are equally suspicious, but my gut is telling me that Raitaki is slightly more suspicious than Selery.
I see Raitaki "directing empty suspicion" because he implied that he didn't see anything wrong with Conqueror's argument, and thus implied that he didn't see the reasoning behind Bardiche's vote for Conqueror. And (in my opinion) voting for someone based on poor reasoning is suspicious. Thus, I saw Raitaki directing (slight) suspicion toward Bardiche.I'll think about this one, but probably not because you explained yourself well and I think I can see your reasoning.
Y'all don't get it. This isn't a question of "scum wouldn't do this" because, like I said, I have seen scum do just what I said in order to get this "town cred". This isn't a question of "too retarded for scum to do" or not. It's something that scum has, verifiably in the past, done. So I'm not sure why you're claiming something that scum has done before is impossible for scum to do. I'm sure other people can back me up on this.I'm not disagreeing with you, just stating other reasons that People saying "My role color that is normally non-Town confused me"
Actually, before that, Shalako, how much mafia experience do you have?Hrm I started playing Mafia in...2008? I at one point was playing...6 games at a time for an extended duration and then I didn't have time for it anymore. From...~2012 Until...2015?
Also, who do you think is scum?My mafia philosophy is that everyone is scum until I have enough reads/interactions/proof to either condemn or clear people.
RVS is pretty much over so you should have a vote down somewhere even if you're not completely sure,Why is everyone so eager to bully lil ole me into throwing down a vote?
and I'm not sure what to conclude from your walls.I'm simply catching up and trying to figure out what makes the 10 people I don't know tick.
Come on I put red flag and everything.
Being a bit leery of Shalako atm. His latest post was nothing but brief responses and commentary to things people said, with little effort to find scum or point out if anything was scummy (and having no vote to show for the small attempt he did make).
##Target: Shalako
Cut by Conq: Is it my questions that you want reworded?Nah, Shalako's.
That red flag is also unfortunately the only sign whatsoever that you find the quotes questionable.Is there not an obvious conclusion to draw from those two quotes?
and no follow-up.
And yes, we do want them votes on the table in this forum. Especially since it's D1, when there's basically zero chance that an early, honest vote can hurt town or lead directly into a quick mislynch.Sorry it's a personality trait to become stubborn when people try to bully me into doing something, no matter how sensible their reasons.
Cut by Conq: Is it my questions that you want reworded?Mine
I read it, but I'm actually not a fan of catch-up post style walls in general since it's hard for me to get anything out of them.They aren't for you dear.
I'd like to believe myself to be making pretty reasonable demands. I listed clear areas of improvement which you could restructure your claims to make them more coherent and understandable, and that as your post stand right now I honestly don't grasp what's so telling about 'red flags' and whatnot.You say
Even with that aside, 'gut' is a poor and lazy excuse to vote someone, especially when you are using anecdotal evidence between two players such as 'suspiciousness'. If instead you elaborated properly your view on what's you consider to be 'normal', then you could've easily quantified said doubt towards the player behavior and actually give us something meaningful which we could analyze.
The problem is obvious, Raitaki isn't really trying that hard to understand the intent behind a simple, 3 post comment involving only two players. And considering some of the messier things Raitaki had handled last game, and how I find some of his town insights to be actually very poignant, this sudden drop in the quality of his posts comes along as very out of the left field, hence, vote.
Additionally, this ship was perturbed by your attempts to compare its posts to its "town insights last game", which occurred at critical junctions when previous information was available, to a neutral, minor question, made to gather more information in a situation where there was little.
> This ship wonders, then, why captain Bardiche cited those sentiments in response to captain Shalako's query on why captain SB was a Federation agent for reacting to their own ship assignment but captain Selery wasn't, and even worded his response as "Conq adequately[/i] clarified that". As a troubleshooting step, this ship requests you explain the meaning of the adverb "adequately" to it.You simply wait for the storm to weather and instead of answering you go after murren like an attack dog again.
Shalako just said that he agreed with part of what I posted too, what do you think about that?This is a blatant misrepresentation and attempt to deflect attention from himself towards me..
> This ship wonders, then, why captain Bardiche cited those sentiments in response to captain Shalako's query on why captain SB was a Federation agent for reacting to their own ship assignment but captain Selery wasn't, and even worded his response as "Conq adequately[/i] clarified that". As a troubleshooting step, this ship requests you explain the meaning of the adverb "adequately" to it.
I'm a little bit more suspicious of Raitaki than of Selery right now. Raitaki said something happened that didn't happen (and in turn directed empty suspicion onto someone), and Selery implied that he at the time agreed with Raitaki's content in general. To me, both of these actions are equally suspicious, but my gut is telling me that Raitaki is slightly more suspicious than Selery.
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##Target: Raitaki
So if I'm reading this right, you find Raitaki suspicious for directing suspicion on Bard based on an event which never happened?Yes. And as I said, it was a just-above-RVS vote.
I don't think he's actually advanced a suspicion on Bard, and given that the part you posted was a query, it reads more like he was intending to clear that up with Bard than intending to slam him over it.To me it appeared that Raitaki was directing (slight) suspicion toward Bard, and I explained why here:
I see Raitaki "directing empty suspicion" because he implied that he didn't see anything wrong with Conqueror's argument, and thus implied that he didn't see the reasoning behind Bardiche's vote for Conqueror. And (in my opinion) voting for someone based on insufficient reasoning is somewhat suspicious. Thus, I saw Raitaki directing (slight) suspicion toward Bardiche.(You may notice that I edited the quote slightly to include the edits that I very poorly attempted to make up above).
Also, Murrin, just wondering, but is there a reason for the difference in your playstyle between this game and the last? You seem much more aggressive.Last game I didn't have any time to post (which is why I was subbed out) and wasn't taking the game as seriously I guess. I am much more aggressive this game. Probably just a defense mechanism because it's more intense over here than at MTF which is where I've played most of my mafia.
To me, Selery's "I'm going to post later" post looks sincere. I'm not sure I like Selery's vote for DNA though because it seems to imply that he thinks Raitaki's content was OK, which I disagree with because I really don't like this statement: because this never happened. Bard never said he agreed that SB's confusion about his role PM was suspicious. I see where Raitaki could have just misunderstood, but I still don't like it.What an interestingly off-kilter post.
I'm a little bit more suspicious of Raitaki than of Selery right now. Raitaki said something happened that didn't happen (and in turn directed empty suspicion onto someone), and Selery implied that he at the time agreed with Raitaki's content in general. To me, both of these actions are equally suspicious, but my gut is telling me that Raitaki is slightly more suspicious than Selery.
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##Target: Raitaki
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DNA/Raitaki's argument is mostly just miscommunicating. So it gives me almost no information. But I am (tentatively) reading DNA as Town.
You absolutely cannot say that I said or implied that I completely dismissed the DNA/Raitaki argument.<______________< I regret hoping there was a response. This is semantics about wording. Yes, I can absolutely say you implied you dismissed the DNA/Raitaki argument, that's what your line conveys. Reading later, you say the difference between voting Serela and Raitaki was gut. As previously stated, since you went out of your way to post Serela's good qualities, this is in my opinion bullshit.
Sure, you can say I dismissed most of the argument, and I did dismiss most of the argument, because most of the argument is just you and Raitaki miscommunicating with each other.
Yes, I can absolutely say you implied you dismissed the DNA/Raitaki argumentYou can, but it's bullshit.
What I find more bizzare, actually, is saying you're suspicious of Serela but 'not as suspicious', when you also said you thought Selera looked sincere. There's no reason to think the two are on the same level as suspects for you. I also don't think it includes much comparsion thought: If Raitaki was sincere, what does that say about Serela? you spend the last part of that post actively defending Serela's reason for voting!Hmm, I see what you're saying here. Good thing I didn't vote for Selery otherwise you'd be suspicious of me oh wait
Reading later, you say the difference between voting Serela and Raitaki was gut. As previously stated, since you went out of your way to post Serela's good qualities, this is in my opinion bullshit.It was gut. Maybe my reason for thinking Serela was almost as suspicious as Raitaki at the time was shit, but at the time, the only reason I thought Raitaki was more suspicious than Selery was gut.
[ Watching them gnaw on the typical bone and start gnawing on each other is typical town/town early behaviour.I'm suspicious of this statement because Mafia say it when they see two Townies fighting.
I already know from what I skimmed of this page that Shalako is a seriously try-hardI'm actually fairly muzzled. Nice flow of posts so I don't have to push to drive conversations. I'm not close to hitting my stride and i'm suprised to see people complain about walls and complain about people not posting enough explanations at the same time :P
I am much more aggressive this game. Probably just a defense mechanism because it's more intense over here than at MTF which is where I've played most of my mafia.You gotta learn your own mafia-style. Get comfortable in your own skin and know your strong points and weaknesses. Gotta learn what situations you can be confident in yourself in. Lots of nuances in the game to master.
Maybe I'll stop being so uptight
You can, but it's bullshit.Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
How can you say mafia is interaction among players while you can't be bothered to interact with people?
But Shalako, communication is not simple arithmetic! I think you are thinking too linearly, this isn't a RPG where I supposedly 'attack' people using guts elemental spells, which is dispelled when as soon as you make a response to deny it. Mafia is a dynamic interaction amongst players, of which you try to persuade other players of your views.
I am under absolutely no obligation to decipher your jargon and response to you if I can properly justify my decision to the rest of the playerbase.Of course.
and apparently having a scumread on me.One of the most vitriolic omgus I've ever seen DNA
Also I was the initial casemaker against Murrin and his semantic argument which still wasn't properly addressed.
I am not under any significant pressure neither from votes, and I most certainly am not even botheredSo why aren't you voting Murren to L-2 then?
I'm suspicious of this statement because Mafia say it when they see two Townies fighting.It's also something townies say after they've seen the same pattern thirty times. I don't have a specific post that screamed 'this is town'. it's an overall early impression. If the L-2 thing is about claims, we usually get people to claim around L-2 to L-1 depending on how crazy it gets.
Why do you think each of them is town?
How is this typical townVtown early behavior?
Being a bit leery of Shalako atm. His latest post was nothing but brief responses and commentary to things people said, with little effort to find scum or point out if anything was scummy (and having no vote to show for the small attempt he did make).I think that's just coincidence we voted the same person, we had basically the same argument far as Shalako is concerned, and since my only major scumreads are Murrin or Shalako (also Zak depending on how much longer he intends to lurk), my vote has to fall somewhere between them.
It's also something townies say after they've seen the same pattern thirty times. I don't have a specific post that screamed 'this is town'. it's an overall early impression.Okay thanks
Oh really, how interesting! No hard and fast rule about L-2 doesn't lead to people not believing claims and hammering?
f the L-2 thing is about claims, we usually get people to claim around L-2 to L-1 depending on how crazy it gets.
Though if your votecount is right it's interesting to note that Raitaki and DNA did go from arguing with each other to voting the same person, ie Shalako.Same stated Motivation too.
Who is a very bad vote they should both stop doing.I mean i'm just a tiny biased but it's not the worst. If you are afraid of people who don't throw out votes a ton and instead prefer to question.
DNA stop posting dank memes.I'm impressed DNA didn't respond to this with that DankRuneScapeTooLate.jpg meme
I am not willing to directly put a vote on Murrin at the moment because I still want to remain open-minded instead of pressing for a claim and potentially ignoring other scummy players,If you think 3 people are mafia, why not place your vote where it will be most effective?
Murrin or Shalako (also Zak depending on how much longer he intends to lurk), my vote has to fall somewhere between them.
i'm suprised to see people complain about walls and complain about people not posting enough explanations at the same time :P
Ok, so Dormio (super hyper conspiracy version) thinks that the Raitaki/DNA argument is totally staged between scum and scum and we should lynch them both.
However, Dormio (somewhat more sane version) knows that Dormio (super hyper conspiracy version) is totally insane so we're going to ignore that Dormio's line of thinking.
This is all followed by Dormio (conspiracy version) thinking that DNA would start an argument like the one he did as tryhard scum.
But Dormio (meta version) knows that Dormio (conspiracy version) is just as crazy as Dormio (super hyper conspiracy version) and so we're going to disregard that thought for the time being.
Oh really, how interesting! No hard and fast rule about L-2 doesn't lead to people not believing claims and hammering?Ha ha, let's not be hasty. That totally still happens. But not usually on Day 1.
I didn't even notice the part about Raitaki's vote though, so that's an interesting observation to make. What was Raitaki's justfication for voting Shalako?I'm pretty sure that reasoning is wrong is what I'm saying. Shalako is trying hard to scumhunt people. I literally don't understand how this could be an argument. Is it because he's not voting? That doesn't negate the effort he's putting in.
Oh, here it is:I think that's just coincidence we voted the same person, we had basically the same argument far as Shalako is concerned, and since my only major scumreads are Murrin or Shalako (also Zak depending on how much longer he intends to lurk), my vote has to fall somewhere between them.
What's this meant to mean?That's basically just me being crazy and a note that my thoughts may be slightly influenced by the paranoia that DNA is scum. (I don't know how to read DNA)
he did make a lot of themby this I meant posts. shalako had low content per post but many posts. hurr
After reading Dormio's post, I pretty much agree that my earlier Raitaki/Serela suspicion post is bullshit (even though I spent an hour and a half on it because at that point there was so little content that actually gave any information). Because of Dormio's post, I now see that my post (the post in which I initially brought up the Raitaki/Serela suspicion) is full of self-contradictions and thus the suspicions contained within it don't make much sense.So, you need Dormio to see something that I already pointed out to you yesterday? :T I'll remember that.
So I agree with what Shadoweh/Zak are saying about Shalako/DNA. DNA is voting for Shalako even though he seems to be putting in a lot of effort. I'm not sure what the case is against Shalako, other than maybe the fact that he's not voting, which isn't a very strong case.This isn't a strong case either. So why do you went for that instead of SB? Cause you already brought up a good point against his Serela vote, didn't you? A vote he still holds by the way.
So, you need Dormio to see something that I already pointed out to you yesterday? :T I'll remember that.Dormio pointed out that I said I saw where Raitaki misunderstood and voted for him anyway; and that I called Selery suspicious for thinking Raitaki's content was okay even thought I said the only problem I had with Raitaki's post may have been due to a misunderstanding.
This isn't a strong case either. So why do you went for that instead of SB? Cause you already brought up a good point against his Serela vote, didn't you? A vote he still holds by the way.I didn't think of SB's case against Serela, which is why I didn't vote SB.
It'd be good if he starts to read each player based on their overall behaviour though, instead of only judging them sentence-by-sentence (see also: defending Serela and calling her suspicious in the same post).Will do.
I can't even parse all of this bullshit and I'm not even going to pretend I can read through all of this at once.Thats interesting, because in here, Zakeri doesn't even try to object to the arguments on Murrin, so he's essentially just parroting arguments and stating his stance, which makes such a big part of his post, after reading through and lurking for the majority of the day, nearly devoid of content. That shouldn't really happen, because when you lurk as town, you need to compensate for the downtime by offering insights, I see zero offered here, and based on Zak's playstyle, this seems to be only excusable when he's scum. So nope, opinions not improved at all, what's next?
Murrin seems to be the biggest wagon so let's just investigate that.
Re: Shadoweh's targeting post
Yeah I agree it's suspicious that Murrin brings up a suspicion against Serela while defending all of his actions. His vote for Raitaki follows in that he things Rai is worse, but it also feels like his suspicsion of Serela is forced. He doesn't want to be caught not mentioning Serela but also doesn't want to pursue Serela. this doesn't mean Serela is scum though.
I don't see anything I could argue about in Conq's reasoning.
also I guess Dormio has a point in that Murrin defended Raitaki's vote and then ignored his own defense. Making both of his suspicions forced.
...which makes me think the whole wagon is bunk now all at once. I mean, i could just go an accept the reasoning that his suspicions are forced, but if I did that I would be forcing my own suspicions on him, and I certainly am feeling the pressure to move my vote from Conqueror onto Murrin's wagon. This probably sounds paradoxical, but as town I don't want to force my suspicions and so I'm forgiving Murrin for forcing his suspicions.This is the actual part of Zak's argument, by 'actual part' I mean the part bolded only, he's calling me voting Shalako when he's inputting effort scummy, but Zak, you of all people were playing with me since the dawn of time! We were even in the very same game last time when we both played as scum, and you know fully well I input effort regardless of the alignment I am in. For you of all people, it feels like a very, very forced move, especially when you didn't really offer any reasoning for how in Shalako's case in particular effort should be a town clear on him. He's a new player, he doesn't have a history of his playstyle, and for all WIFOM is worth he could be the same kind of player as me when I started off, simply trying to fit in by frantically posting because everyone else are posting these long scary walls. Which is a motivation he would have regardless of alignment, in any case, your argument proposed here is a very weak slippery slope, and requires assuming 'effort equates townclear', which is most certainly not true.
The only other thing I read was Shakalaka and DNA, and while I think their interactions and bickering befit a town/town argument, I don't really like DNA's vote on Shamalamadingdong for not having a vote down despite all the effort he's trying to put in.
Hmm, Shalako's actual content still feels somewhat diluted, but then again he did make a lot of them, so he's putting in real effort. And all the anecdotes about his playing style in between that I glossed over before don't seem to be what scum would do on their first time playing at a new community, since they're giving up information about themselves.This isn't an argument on me, but still relevant as I would like to make clear Murrin and Shalako obviously are unfamiliar with the mafia meta, or at least our mafia meta. So allow me to elaborate this more, there's a fundamental logical flaw with associating "effort = town", players showing effort means they have enthusiasm for the game. And the reason why enthusiastic players can be lynched later is because if they show a disrespectancy in effort later on, that's a clear scumtell to avoid drawing attention to themselves. Me "townclearing" you for effort thereby follows the same logic, the later the game piles on, the clearer a trend I can observe with your behavior, and I can much more easily spot any inconsistencies. Which is why scum wants to kill off the productive players over the obvtown ones sometimes, in order so that they themselves can manipulate the conversation.
Re Shalako on me vs Murrin: Me asking him whether you were scummy for agreeing with something I said was rhetoric. Similiar to Dorian's "am I suspicious for not seeing problems with Raitaki's content" at the beginning of page 3 of the thread. I didn't really expect Murrin to seriously respond to it, and if they seriously answered "yes" I would have gone after their ass.
Murrin is...hm. Low productivity, defended his somewhat miniscule case against me for a rather long time, but then admitted said case he spent at least 50% of his time defending was bullshit. I'm starting to doubt this is newbscum in action, his scumbuddy had plenty of time to tell him to abandon it and go after something else, and admitting his prior and only case was bullshit when about half the player base has either voted or spoken out against him seemed suicidal for scum imo, new or not. Don't feel like he's scum atm. It'd be good if he starts to read each player based on their overall behaviour though, instead of only judging them sentence-by-sentence (see also: defending Serela and calling her suspicious in the same post).You are much more productive right now that when you are donning the silly RP, although I disagree your train of thought, I am pleased to see there's one at all, and because of the effort argument I raised before, which is the reason why I am willing to overlook yours, and by extension, Murrin's wagon at the moment unless you both have something overwhelmingly incriminating. MotK town has a bad habit of forgetting about lurkers and letting our mindsets reset after each night phase, so if we want to lynch lurkers, the time is now.
I'm kind of confused by Zak's reasoning on why he's forgiving Murrin ; v; His "I don't see anything I could argue about in Conq's reasoning" is also odd and seemingly came out of nowhere. I'd like to hear his explanation on why he mentioned that.
DNA's content has had a significant drop in quality ever since we dropped our argument. Now he's just mainly voting Shalako for his lack of vote and apparently Shalako failing to meet his standards for making a case. Him townclearing me for ~*~effort~*~ seemed kind of odd too, considering all I did between dropping my RP posting style and now was questioning Murrin on his suspicions and voting Shalako.
Reminder that SB poofed from the radar.
And now ##Target: Darkninjaabc.
Hey, Shalako, try to read my post before, in detail, thanks.Yea, I get it's because you want to be open minded. Feel free to disregard the vote question if you don't feel like answering it, was just hoping you'd talk a bit more about it.
DNA out
Might I suggest trimming down your predilection for inserting quote-on-quote walls? They come across as nitpicking sentences.It helps me keep track of who/what i'm talking to/about. It's the way i've always played. What do you think i'm nitpicking?
Hmm, Shalako's actual content still feels somewhat diluted, but then again he did make a lot of themYea, it's my playstyle.
I will say that Shalako really should have a vote down by now though...I'm surprised he hasn't voted given I think he's gotten the responses he was looking for?
but that wouldn't change Shalako does deserve an apology change for that fiasco, so, sorry.No apology needed!
everyone else are posting these long scary walls.I ain't afraid of no walls.
MotK town has a bad habit of forgetting about lurkers and letting our mindsets reset after each night phase, so if we want to lynch lurkers, the time is now.What is MotK town?
but the top of the list is totes MurrinWhy?
Shalako, just for reference in case we have trouble consolidating, who'd you most rather lynch for D1? Multiple choices are fine.Zak
We sort of have a history of being rather slow at consolidatingTimers are lame, it's so much better not having a timer.
Personally I just hate getting to My/LyLo with someone I can't read because they have barely said anything all game.Yea, that's why you leave the lurkers until later so you can justify lynching them for not providing info since some lurkers just don't post a lot(time/amount wise) but the longer you wait to lynch them the better your reads are and you can PoE too instead of shooting in the dark.
Serela (1): SB, Bardiche, ConqFixed
Oh, I'm the only one here with a Meta on you Murren? Maybe I shouldn't feed you signals about what your townie tells are, it'll come bite me in the long run :VLiterally this easy to read murren.
Due to unexpected work schedule changes, it is unlikely I will be here for Deadline, unless the Cycle happens to end more then an hour early. I will probably have to rely on an extended twilight phase (if you want fluff), or a comod to flip for me.Just edit the fluff in later if you hurry it or a co-mod posts it. (alternatively instead of being idiots and last minute rushing the lynch we could come to a decision now.. ha ha I know, I crack myself up too.)
So I agree with what Shadoweh/Zak are saying about Shalako/DNA. DNA is voting for Shalako even though he seems to be putting in a lot of effort. I'm not sure what the case is against Shalako, other than maybe the fact that he's not voting, which isn't a very strong case.This is not reasoning that I can imagine a person trying to find scum would actually use. Not to mention citing Dormio as a bastion of sanity. No one could say that with a straight face and mean it. Why on earth are people suddenly spouting town reads, Murrin hasn't done anything that's been cited as the change of mind.
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##Target: Darkninjaabc
Yea, time to stop playing around ##Vote: Zak
Shalako, it's 24 hours to deadline, put a vote down so we don't have stupid deadline vote shenanigans.
Also, mind explaining why Zak would be your biggest priority,
also I guess Dormio has a point in that Murrin defended Raitaki's vote and then ignored his own defense. Making both of his suspicions forced.Here he states reasons for doubting Murren but clears Murren for poor reasons.
...which makes me think the whole wagon is bunk now all at once. I mean, i could just go an accept the reasoning that his suspicions are forced, but if I did that I would be forcing my own suspicions on him, and I certainly am feeling the pressure to move my vote from Conqueror onto Murrin's wagon. This probably sounds paradoxical, but as town I don't want to force my suspicions and so I'm forgiving Murrin for forcing his suspicions.
It is my belief that Shadoweh and Serela are true loyalists to the Rebel Army.
I am keeping my sights on those who speak out against their loyalty.
Because of reasons.Because of his refusal to answer i'm forced to assume he's white knighting for Shadow/Sereal because of Seraels s role statement then Shadow defending of Sereal
from what I'm reading you're saying that you don't like his vote against DNA? So does that mean you're fine with DNA now as well?Even if I thought DNA was mafia it wouldn't stop me from questioning poor votes.
Also, since I'm gathering that you and Murrin have played together,Confirm.
Cut. So you're saying this is Murren's town meta?Remember when you were new to the game and overly concerned with how others viewed you, how you worried over posts you made and people questioning you? Being angry when people doubted you because you knew you were town? How you'd get caught in a fear spiral that lead to poor posts and flailing that people doubled down on leading to your death as town?
Oh, I'm the only one here with a Meta on you Murren? Maybe I shouldn't feed you signals about what your townie tells are, it'll come bite me in the long run :VSorry, didn't respond because I don't really get what you're asking?
Literally this easy to read murren.
Also, since I'm gathering that you and Murrin have played together, @Murrin, would you be able to tell if this is town or scum Shalako?I've played 2 games with Shalako, in one he was Scum and in another he was Town. He pretty much posts this way regardless of whether he's Town or Scum. There is one difference between his play DAY 1 of his Scum game and his play today, but due to the fact that I've only played 1 game with him where he was Scum, I can't use it to justify a strong Town read on him. Day 1 of the game in which he was Scum, his play was off the wall, no offense Shalako, he went really really really hard against a Townie (basically tunnel visioning) and was acting kind of hysterical. (After Day 1, his play was more calm and more like his play here).
This is not reasoning that I can imagine a person trying to find scum would actually use.Wait, I agreed with you on a scumread, so you don't think I was trying to find scum?
Not to mention citing Dormio as a bastion of sanity. No one could say that with a straight face and mean it. Why on earth are people suddenly spouting town reads, Murrin hasn't done anything that's been cited as the change of mind.Does Shadoweh usually act like this as Town? This feels kind of like hard tunnel visioning to me, which is basically what Shalako did Day 1 of the game he was Scum.
Sorry, didn't respond because I don't really get what you're asking?I'm defending you bby, just let it happen. Your wagon is entirely because of people attacking the low hanging fruit.
Also, I know you asked about why I spelled my name Murrin, that's my real name (my last name), "Murrin" was taken on MTF, and I didn't want numbers or symbols or anything in my name, so I just went with Murren instead.Oh i'll try to say Murrin then.
I've played 2 games with Shalako, in one he was Scum and in another he was Town. He pretty much posts this way regardless of whether he's Town or Scum. There is one difference between his play DAY 1 of his Scum game and his play today, but due to the fact that I've only played 1 game with him where he was Scum, I can't use it to justify a strong Town read on him. Day 1 of the game in which he was Scum, his play was off the wall, no offense Shalako, he went really really really hard against a Townie (basically tunnel visioning) and was acting kind of hysterical. (After Day 1, his play was more calm and more like his playI've told you my Mafia play is close to my town game right? That game I was masquerading as my Angry-Wrong Town Persona. The goal of that line of attack is to be so obviously stubborn and wrong that people think you are town.
This feels kind of like hard tunnel visioning to me, which is basically what Shalako did Day 1 of the game he was Scum.People aren't mafia just for questioning you, you admit you made mistakes, so if they were town they'd question you over them.
...That's something I could understand but isn't it even more reason to look for a more solid place to vote? Good you could say that his DNA vote was a panic quick shoot but what makes it a town panic and not a scum panic?
Remember when you were new to the game and overly concerned with how others viewed you, how you worried over posts you made and people questioning you? Being angry when people doubted you because you knew you were town? How you'd get caught in a fear spiral that lead to poor posts and flailing that people doubled down on leading to your death as town?
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The Murrin wagon seems to be falling apart because it was a wagon. This is flipping stupid. His post #130 is full of waffling that could give Serela a run for his money. It also reads like a robot wrote it, and I'm pretty sure the only one with a robot assistant is Bard.Shadoweh, the problem with lynching the unskilled players is because they are unskilled. What constitutes for us as normalcy doesn't work for them.
This is not reasoning that I can imagine a person trying to find scum would actually use. Not to mention citing Dormio as a bastion of sanity. No one could say that with a straight face and mean it. Why on earth are people suddenly spouting town reads, Murrin hasn't done anything that's been cited as the change of mind.
Went back and reread SB's vote and am reminded of several things about it that seemed weird, e.g. saying it's weird I only paid attention to a small amount of the post (a short 2 sentence post and when I look back I don't understand any other post he could be referring to) OH WAIT actually he's talking about my second post there, where I just commented on the Bard thing,
Shadoweh, the problem with lynching the unskilled players is because they are unskilled. What constitutes for us as normalcy doesn't work for them.Being a newbie does not give you a magical pass. It is 100% a newish-scum habit to post absolute nonsense disguised as a read on someone and pray they don't notice that all you did in that post is write off every single thing you posted before that. I do not want to lynch newbies, I want to lynch a flailing scumbag who's getting defended for reasons that have nothing to do with him, in my opinion.
At this stage, I am every bit as eager as Shadoweh to get a lynch on Shalako or Murrin.Hey don't take my name in vain beside your misguided attempt to lynch Shalako. I already told you to stop voting him, it's definitely not going to happen also he's obvtown.
Being a newbie does not give you a magical pass. It is 100% a newish-scum habit to post absolute nonsense disguised as a read on someone and pray they don't notice that all you did in that post is write off every single thing you posted before that. I do not want to lynch newbies, I want to lynch a flailing scumbag who's getting defended for reasons that have nothing to do with him, in my opinion.Hey don't take my name in vain beside your misguided attempt to lynch Shalako. I already told you to stop voting him, it's definitely not going to happen also he's obvtown.I am not trying to write off every single thing I posted. I am not a robot, if I keep advising someone and it doesn't get through, I will get stressed. And when I am stressed enough, I definitely can and will declare 'screw this, I don't care anymore' and drop into apathy mode, or I would flip my shit out, but I am holding back from doing the latter. This isn't me writing off everything else before this, this is me at time X isn't the same person as time Y. And in this case, it is me sufficiently frustrated that I am willing to challenge my initial perspective as the newbs behavior are becoming less and less acceptable as they have failed to improve, and that I am starting to doubt my if it is at all entirely possible to write off their behavior as tryhard town while trying to guide them. Which, as you have stated, could very well be newbie-scum behavior too.
I'unno if it's how wordy all the posts are this d1 or if it's just because it's d1 or what but I haven't been talking because I'm really just not getting anywhere with this. :T Dang BT can't sub until the 25th, that's not happening. It's probably terrible that I considered replacing out for that anyway. Skimming over the posts again.Admittance on not having read enough, then taking IRL as a shield. Yes, while IRL is indeed a very convincing and difficult to challenge justification to defend against laziness, the obvious solution here is to just call quits. Which you did mention, okay, let's see how this plays out. I remember your declaration here though.
It's funny, because I'm voting Zakeri, who is the person I can relate to the most here, except he's handling it better >:V (or he's scum, but, they're not mutually exclusive situations anyway!)This is less universal but when I try to state I like a particular argument, I do it while also highlighting which particular point I like, and if, its being challenged enough by someone else, I will try to back it up and elaborate on it. While I do not know how valid Serela considers my response to Zakeri is, I did post right before him, between a votecount, with 2 hours inbetween. I kind of did expect Serela to have had ample time to also substatiate why Zak's points are good and respond to me, which didn't really happen.
I like Murrin's case against SB, but it's awkward because SB supposedly lost a post? However, the thing is, that was like 7 hours ago, and he never posted anything afterwords. Like, I know losing a big post sucks and is horribly demotivating, but if you post literally nothing afterwords, uh. :T If the post was big enough to be awful to lose that means you had plenty to say and surely it wouldn't take that long to rehash -some- of it into something existant.Bolded is Serela's SB argument, which, only upon this detailed read, is essentially the same point as Conq ( infact, Serela posted before conq), but was just too long for it to be impressionable. But I already stated that I agree with. The problem is something other than that.
I agree with Murrin that his original point against me was weird, in that it was over me asking DNA what he thought about Raitaki's content itself, which is an entirely reasonable and understandable question to ask someone at any given time regardless of what the circumstances may be.Really, really don't like this bolded part, this is basically the same problem I had before with Raitaki's posts, content packed too loosely to be useful. And in this case, Serela is even making cross references to early posts, which only make it more difficult to understand. Regardless, in order to illustrate how exactly ridiculous this is, I have done the work of quoting SB posts for you.
Went back and reread SB's vote and am reminded of several things about it that seemed weird, e.g. saying it's weird I only paid attention to a small amount of the post (a short 2 sentence post and when I look back I don't understand any other post he could be referring to) OH WAIT actually he's talking about my second post there, where I just commented on the Bard thing, okay that's fine, but anyway I still think his case itself was weird and... then there was the post losing shenanigans later. (if you haven't noticed by now, I'm stream of conscious'ing here because I don't feel like I have anything worth saying in a post otherwise and I'd like to stop looking like I'm trying to post as few words as possible)
oh boy you guys did that posting thing againThe post before that, which SB voted Serela, is this one;
catching up
I assumed that the Rebels were the scumteam until I didn't tl;dr the role pm and realised that there was something in there that made no sense if the Feds were town. The colour wasn't a part of it. I don't even think there'll be a neutral because both 8/3/1 and 9/2/1 are pretty lopsided.As you may notice from the context already, this is when the SB colour shenanigans was still the topic of discussion, which, given the timestamps between Serela's and this SB Serela case, seems way too far fetched for Serela is seriously use this as an accusation for SB, if anything, this feels forced and seems to me Serela is attempting to create fluff rather than casing properly. SB was a lurker up until the point Serela posted, just a simple acknowledgement he is lurking, and that we don't have better targets to vote would be enough at that point of time. In fact, Serela even immediately acknowledged in the following sentence hes just going along as he types, which seems to only highlight hes too slightly aware his casing is weird. Which I something I need to point out because its looks scummy.
##Unvote
##Vote: Serela
I don't like the way that he deflects DNA's Raitaki vote. I think DNA's vote is valid at this point in the game and the question Serela asked feels kind of like posturing to me, because there was no reason for Serela to ask that question when it wasn't related to DNA's vote. It just seems like he was trying to look like he was being helpful.
Was cut by 9 posts because I had to do other things, will look at those in a sec.
He's a new playerOh right DNA didn't bother to read my posts and he's going off writing huge wrong posts to justify a scummy "lynch new players" mindset because he's misinformed and he's gotta justify his vote he's getting hammered for.
Admittance on not having read enough, then taking IRL as a shield. Yes, while IRL is indeed a very convincing and difficult to challenge justification to defend against laziness, the obvious solution here is to just call quits. Which you did mention, okay, let's see how this plays out. I remember your declaration here though.Actually I've gotten basically no hours at work (auuugh my bank account) so I've been here all day for the past few days, I meant I read the thread more than once and I just don't get anywhere. That's why I resorted to stream of consciousness thought barfing on the forum :D SORRY SHALAKO. Apparently Conq actually is into that sort of thing.
This is less universal but when I try to state I like a particular argumentI didn't specifically mean I like his argument; I meant moreso his attitude and how he's handling the game in general, not his opinions on anyone. That being said I did sort of like the reason he ended up voting you but the way he went around constructing his opinions felt kind of wonky.
given the timestamps between Serela's and this SB Serela case, seems way too far fetched for Serela is seriously use this as an accusation for SB, if anything, this feels forced and seems to me Serela is attempting to create fluff rather than casing properlyWhat? I have literally no idea what you're trying to say here, other than you think my case is bad because of reasons not related to my actual case :S ???????? Timestamps? What does that have to do with anything?
How about the guy who wants to lynch new players not because they are scummy but because they are new?
gdi but then who do I want to vote
I didn't specifically mean I like his argument; I meant moreso his attitude and how he's handling the game in general, not his opinions on anyone. That being said I did sort of like the reason he ended up voting you but the way he went around constructing his opinions felt kind of wonky.
The only other thing I read was Shakalaka and DNA, and while I think their interactions and bickering befit a town/town argument, I don't really like DNA's vote on Shamalamadingdong for not having a vote down despite all the effort he's trying to put in.Which I already responded, effort is not equivalent of townclear. You can check out my #140 for that. And it still doesn't change how you haven't cared to elaborate on your point for an argument you like. In fact, if you claim you sheep Zakeri's opinion, but how he constructed it wonky,you should at the very least provide more info on why is that. This isn't really improving my impression at all.
What? I have literally no idea what you're trying to say here, other than you think my case is bad because of reasons not related to my actual case :S ???????? Timestamps? What does that have to do with anything?No, that's misrepping me, you are attacking SB's Serela vote, which is placed literally on page 2, and at the point of your post, there's a much more obvious and powerful argument you could've used against SB, which is that SB was powerlurking using 'he lost his post' as an excuse. Your admittance right after attacking such an outdated point is also unconvincing, citing 'well i am concious-streaming'', which I believe is scummy.
You're really overestimating how much I like Zakeri's vote. Does it look like I'm heavily considering voting you right now despite not having any other people I want to vote either?Like, I say "zakeri's reason for his vote is kind of okay", and you say "you're sheeping Zakeri". Do you see the discrepancy here? :V
How about the guy who wants to lynch new players not because they are scummy but because they are new?
Oh right DNA didn't bother to read my posts and he's going off writing huge wrong posts to justify a scummy "lynch new players" mindset because he's misinformed and he's gotta justify his vote he's getting hammered for.Shalako, you are oversimplifying and hence misrepresenting everything about my post. My argument was that Murrin and you, even if in an ideal world where I assume that you both of you are town, will end up impairing our scumhunt instead of furthering it. This argument is only stronger practically, as in the case any or both of you are scum, we literally have no way of discerning your alignment because you two apparently keep misunderstanding others' intentions such that you are not communicating nor interacting with the rest of the playerbase in a meaningful manner.
Seems strange that someone completely obsessed over winning wouldn't bother to read the game.
I have eight years of maf experience
I deal with your kind of angry townies (referring to DNA) all the timeTo be perfectly honest, what I have seen from you aren't the posting style and content I expect from someone who indeed have so much experience and wisdom down his belt. Again, preemptive apology if you do indeed, which is why I have chosen to address you as a newb.
You are misrepping me
Like, I say "zakeri's reason for his vote is kind of okay", and you say "you're sheeping Zakeri". Do you see the discrepancy here? :V
WHILE STILL IGNORING ME I AM ANGRY WITH YOU SERELA (ノ ゜Д゜)ノ ︵ ┻━┻...but I thought all the stuff you brought up against me had been addressed already in my posts? D: Granted, I didn't really bring you up in them, but!
Conqureor
Conq seemed kind of sideliney or something (I'm not sure a proper word to use right now, that might be a wrong and bad one, but there was -something-) that I kind of noted before but there was too little for me to actually be worried about at the time because earlier in d1 stuff
Serela, why are you voting Dormio now when you described it as a coinflip just a few posts ago?Wagons in general are extremely uncompelling; runner up would be Zak which I guess I'd be fine with? So, it doesn't take much to make a wagon look alright. I was kinda fencey about whether it was a terrible idea or not, but Bard's case tipped me over. I'd still love an actual Dormio post and I still think it's questionable to lynch him as it is but... considering the ~*~riveting~*~ competition? Sure, I'm for it.
Conq's vote on Murrin doesn't actually feel like he's engaging with him and trying to work out his alignment. It feels more like he slapped together a case that he thought was fine and voted without really trying to get anything out of it. He also doesn't really try to get Zak to post more content either, despite calling him out on it, just saying that we can kill lurker slots whenever which feels kind of off. Admittedly this is heavily meta based but yeah.
I wouldn't say Conq is staying on the sidelines or anything like that, but I don't feel like he's trying to engage with the game or anything like that. Compare his vote on me here to his Zak vote in NotV2 (I know he was ITP but he was basically a townie with an easier wincon ;_;) which were both lurker votes, he actually seemed to try and get something out of his Zak vote so he could read Zak better, whereas here he just drops the vote because he decided I was scum despite having very little material to read me off of.
If people think I'm scum because I'm not posting content, it's not like I'm incapable of bullshitting and I don't like how fast the wagon formed on me at all. Serela's vote is basically pressure which is like... okay I guess but Conq's is basically trying to make my disappearance into a massive thing, and his cases have been really weak aside from that (considering Serela was voted just because he wasn't townreading the slot.)Okay, reading this actually made me pretty mad. If you read that post again I'm pretty sure I made several attempts to engage with Murrin in my vote (not that I always engage with people in my votes anyway, but I do try most of the time), so I'd like to see you get off with the claim what I'm not trying to engage with people before I lynch them! As for Zak, I wasn't going to vote him at the time, so I wasn't going to say "go post more Zak" and the same to the x other people with few posts. Killing lurkers was a response to (I think) darkninja talking about "powerlurkers" when the day just started so I really dislike the way you're taking everything out of context.
Re: Shadoweh's targeting postStill can't really make heads or tails of Zak's reason not to vote Murrin. Tried thinking hard about it, and if Zak saw the points Shadoweh and Dormio were making, and concluded that Murrin was suspicious, that isn't really "forced" anyway. The bit about being pressured to move his vote from Conq to Murrin is also baffling, and I can't see this pressure being a thing (except for the "pressure" to move away from his RVS vote, which in no way requires him to vote Murrin over any other scumread), which makes me think it was an excuse to say he would be forcing his suspicions on Murrin, thus creating this confusing "person A is doing thing B which I think town shouldn't do but if I vote them I'd also be doing it so I won't" situation.
Yeah I agree it's suspicious that Murrin brings up a suspicion against Serela while defending all of his actions. His vote for Raitaki follows in that he things Rai is worse, but it also feels like his suspicsion of Serela is forced. He doesn't want to be caught not mentioning Serela but also doesn't want to pursue Serela. this doesn't mean Serela is scum though.
I don't see anything I could argue about in Conq's reasoning.
also I guess Dormio has a point in that Murrin defended Raitaki's vote and then ignored his own defense. Making both of his suspicions forced.
...which makes me think the whole wagon is bunk now all at once. I mean, i could just go an accept the reasoning that his suspicions are forced, but if I did that I would be forcing my own suspicions on him, and I certainly am feeling the pressure to move my vote from Conqueror onto Murrin's wagon. This probably sounds paradoxical, but as town I don't want to force my suspicions and so I'm forgiving Murrin for forcing his suspicions.
Also @Conqueror: What exactly is it that qualified Murrins last votechange as proactive scumhunting?Fluidity of votes. I guess this is a player specific thing, but town are more likely to switch their votes around trying to find scum. Whereas tunneling is just a thing that town and scum do.
Does Shadoweh usually act like this as Town? This feels kind of like hard tunnel visioning to me, which is basically what Shalako did Day 1 of the game he was Scum.Shadoweh can hard tunnel as town and as scum. I don't have a read on Shadoweh at the moment because I can see how she'd be approaching your case as town, even if I disagree with what she's poking at.
It's no better than a coinflip but it's the choice that made me feel better about and I also believe that a DNA lynch would provide more information than a Murrin one.What kind of information would this DNA lynch provide? Also, this sounds like Zak doesn't really think DNA is scum, especially after DNA basically apologized for being too hard on Shalako and moved his vote so Zak's original reasoning is stale.
If I were forced to I'd be more inclined to vote DNA then uh, Zak or SB or Serela I guess are the other options? Ew.
Dormio (4): Bardiche, Serela, DarkninjaabcI meant three
I am actually kind of offended by conq's statement that people 'its contradictory to be able to post you are busy' thing.You misunderstood, since I post that I'm too busy to post all the time. The person in question kept on making excuses on why he could post but never bothered to give us even the teeniest drop to satisfy our thirst.
So it comes down to choosing between lurkers. But I honestly cannot recall what makes dormio a worse lynch candidate than Zak, can you answer please conqFor me, it's because I scum read Zak and don't scum read Dormio. I find Dormio's vote reasonable for the time it was posted, and in the end he's not the only one pushing Murrin for those reasons.
We got 8.5 hours left, as of this moment I am most willing to lynch Serela for flaky responses and Murrin for falling off the face of the planet when literally multiple players have directly questioned him for a response and hes going no-show.It's called sleep.
I'm going to refrain from going absolutely apeshit on DNA for criticizing me based on bullshit that isn't true (that my posts are completely devoid of content).Also, to say that I'm "not communicating nor interacting with the rest of the playerbase in a meaningful manner" is bullshit too.
Yes, I know my posts don't have a lot of content, but to say they're completely devoid of content is just fucking stupid.
Lol votecount, SB isn't happening I guess so I guess I'll mull on it overnight but you guys suck, especially SB for, if he's town, not just voting me before he went to sleep and getting it out of the way. Cowardice is a scum trait m8.
irrelevant questioning over mafia slangs you could've googled yourself thatOutright Lies here's what happens if you try to google those terms It's also very poor to attack a player simply for not knowing the slang you know.
Again, preemptive apology if you do indeed, which is why I have chosen to address you as a newb.
if so, why does being misinformed and wanting to lynch new players make DNA scum?
My argument was that Murrin and you, even if in an ideal world where I assume that you both of you are town, will end up impairing our scumhunt instead of furthering it.DNA isn't scum hunting, he's justifying his vote as "best for the town" even though it's not related to mine or Murrin's alignment.
##Vote: SerelaAs I mentioned later, Selery's question was directly related to DNA's vote, so I don't see how your Selery vote was justified.
I don't like the way that he deflects DNA's Raitaki vote. I think DNA's vote is valid at this point in the game and the question Serela asked feels kind of like posturing to me, because there was no reason for Serela to ask that question when it wasn't related to DNA's vote. It just seems like he was trying to look like he was being helpful.
OK? Can some one tell me why there is a Dormio wagon? 0_0 In a way that is readable on a phone.Stalking him playing a diffident game instead of Mafia, His post where he outlines his thoughts and people not wanting to vote people who aren't hunting scum.(As far as I can tell)
OK? Can some one tell me why there is a Dormio wagon? 0_0 In a way that is readable on a phone.For my part, I'm sheeping Bard:
I don't like Dormio claiming he's paranoid about DNA, but doing so in an obtuse way. Spouting conspiracy theories and then telling us to disregard is like subtle little nudges of "hey guys, DNA is totes suspicious" but Dormio declines from getting in dirty about it. In fact, while he's "paranoid about DNA being Scum", Dormio has little demonstrable work that shows DNA is or is not scummy at the moment. The only follow-up is that DNA's thought process "reads genuine".
Similarly, I don't like Dormio's case on Murrin. It's not only lazy, it's also nutty. It's entirely possible for Murrin to "see a case for Raitaki misunderstanding" and for Murrin to believe that Raitaki did not misunderstand anything. Dormio's case hinges on the latter being absent, where it's plainly obvious from Murrin's posts and suspicions that at the time at least, he didn't believe Raitaki had misunderstood anything.
I'd also like to say that Shalako sheeping DNA's argument about me playing DotA is hilariously bad.You are aware Mr.White asked why people are wagoning you and that's one of the reasons?
Huge FoS on SB for throwing his vote away this close to deadline.
Timers running out and you vote someone who has one vote on them?
Lynching someone for being wrong and lurky is so much worse then lynching someone who's using poor logic to defend their poor votes.>This entire post
Any time someone says they are doing something for "the best of us the town, look how townie I am guys" lynch them
Huge FoS on SB for throwing his vote away this close to deadline.
Timers running out and you vote someone who has one vote on them?
@Shalako: To be fair, A lot of people with votes elsewhere have also expressed support for a Zakeri lynch. Including most of the current Dormio wagon. Also your reasoning for voting DNA still falls flat, because if it's scummy to vote people for reasons not directly related to their alignments then you can also apply that accusation to most of the SB wagon. After all, failing to make a post would fall under lurking/laziness, not exactly scumminess.Lynching someone for Lurking or Saying they were going to make a post then not do it is radically different from trying to lynch people without the Town's main motivation behind it.
>This entire postTime, it wasn't about how viable it was, it was about how likely a wagon with 1 other vote on it had of taking off in the 80mins(iircc) we had with what 3 people stating they were gonna be gone.
Zak was always a viable wagon even with only one vote, plus weren't you voting him earlier? I don't get this line of reasoning.
So, are there any alternative options for the lynch aside from Zakari and Dormio?Why do you think would be good alternative lynches?
What's the case on Zak again? Is it something other than the fact that he's posted very little?That, him saying he agreed to the cases people made against you but handwaved them for ~*~reasons~*~, his lackluster DNA vote, and Conq also called bullshit on his claim that lynching DNA would yield more information than lynching you when you were for more controversial and focused on by more people at the time.
That's something I could understand but isn't it even more reason to look for a more solid place to vote? Good you could say that his DNA vote was a panic quick shoot but what makes it a town panic and not a scum panic?
Also @Conqueror: What exactly is it that qualified Murrins last votechange as proactive scumhunting?
Now time to look at the other lynch options today:
My second pick after Murrin would be SB. I already said that I found Murrins point against SBs vote and I think that his lack of content so far stands in no reasonable ratio to his at least occasional presence in the game.
I also already said why I'm not interested in a DNA lynch right now.
And even when I have less ground to object on the matter of Zakeri and Serela so do I still have to say that the cases on them doesn't fills me with confidence. I'll vote here if I have to ensure a lynch but that was it already.
PS: I hope that I make it back to the topic at least a hour before deadline but I can't promise it, so in doubt consider me as gone for the rest of the day.^^;
That's something I could understand but isn't it even more reason to look for a more solid place to vote? Good you could say that his DNA vote was a panic quick shoot but what makes it a town panic and not a scum panic?
I am online for 10 minutes, will be catching upIf your in hurry, feel free to leave my posts and stuff for later, more important things to go over then me Bulldoging.
IWell, when I'm ?overly concerned with how others viewed? my post than I would try to improve my cases ITT: start looking for the strongest reason to vote someone that I can find.Yea, that's what Murren did. Then he relized that the strongest vote he could cast wasn't the one he was currently voting.
But what I think Murrin did was replacing the vote he got pushed for with the next best vote that came around, that's why I called it a ?panic quick shoot?.Okay, thanks that's what I didn't understand you were trying to get across in your original post.
If I take your word for it then I could actually see town Murrin doing this but from my point of view could I also see scum Murrin doing the same for the same reasons, so how can you tell that it's on and not the other?Scum Murrin would have doubled down on his original vote he was getting flack for and found reasons to justify it ((or further his read by finding everything scummy by the player he voted)instead of discarding it.
What's the case on Zak again? Is it something other than the fact that he's posted very little?Posting very little: whatever.
Untarget where i'm from we don't lynch people without hearing them claim but much like Shadow i'll be around to revote if it's blind lynch or no lynch at all.I'm a scub
I thought Zak > Dormio > DNA > Murrin was clear? Why do you not like my suspicions?What? I think you made it quite clear that you didn't suspected Dormio nor Murrin and that you voted Zakeri only because he was the only available lynch (aside from Dormio) at the time.
Out for the rest of the phase.
.. . I don't even know who I'd lynch outside of the wagons apart from maybe Dorian?...flying under the radar even wehen I'm talking with you?
Welcome to Faster Than Light Mafia, Captain!
You have been chosen to pilot the mysterious Lanius ship, The Kruos
The Lanius are a strange and feared race of beings made from metallic structures, mostly derived from their diet of metal. Akin to this, they also have the amazing ability to shape metal into whatever they like, able to copy weapons and other technologies they find and consume, making them fearsome fighters. The Lanius had hidden themselves for many years but have recently reemerged like a plague upon the galaxy, as they consume the metal of their prey worlds and ships. The Lanius do not need to breathe, so when their food source is depleted, they go dormant and float through empty space, until they find their next unfortunate victims.
This time, however, the Federation ships have proven to be most rich and delicious prey. The rebels and such you have allied with seem to have the same idea, you think.
Your ship's special ability is:
Assimilation. From the broken scraps of others, you can feast upon their remains.
This ability lets you replicate the basic abilities of broken ships you have decided to feast upon, letting your ship gain the ability to do what they did before death. A very powerful ability, with which you can use to help or hinder others you may think of as friend or foe.
You can use this ability by PMing ##Assimilate: Dead Playername
You can only use this ability during the Scrapping Cycle
Your ship only has enough space to hold one copied technology, and this can't be undone, so choose wisely before you activate it.
You wish to eat the Federation ships, and thus this space combat won't stop until you've destroyed their entire force.
tldr you are a Rebel 1-Shot Universal Backup. This doesn't work on scum
Welcome to Faster Than Light Mafia, Captain!
You have been chosen to pilot the insidious Slug ship, The Ariolimax
Slugs are a sneaky, opportunistic race that hides deep within the galaxy's many nebulas. Slugs are well known for their prowess in less wholesome tactics warfare, hiding deep within the silent and dangerous nebulas, often appearing at the most devastating moments, uploading viruses, using good old surprise attacks, and using other cunning tactics to gain the upper hand. They are also known for their greed and unfair business dealings, thus many don't care for them at all.
Your reason for joining the rebel side to defeat the Federation ships is to get your hands on as much scrap as possible. You don't really care for the Rebel ideals (in fact, they don't like you either), but those Feds are carrying so much lovely, shiny scrap, and you absolutely must have it all.
Your ship's special ability is:
Mind Control technology, a very evil way of getting just what you want out of your victims.
With mind control, you can control the stupid little battlefield to your whims. Maybe that ship you're sure is gunning for you might be better off firing at that OTHER schmuck instead. You can force ships to use their abilities on other ships of your choosing, using Mind Control on their captains to bend them to your will.
You can use this function by PMing ##Mind Control: Direct [Player] towards [Other Player]. You can only do this during the Scrapping Cycle.
You wish to scrap the Federation ships, and thus this space combat won't stop until you've destroyed their entire force.
tldr you're a Rebel Hijacker.
Dan, I have only one question, is Conqueror town or scum?
And that leaves ?
##Target: Bardiche
I still find the timing of your Dormio case questionable, especially since I think you could have made the case one post before. I mean in the post where you were still too busy pushing Serela (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1198566.html#msg1198566) over a point he addressed twice already, speaking (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1198392.html#msg1198392) of ignorance (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1198460.html#msg1198460).
Sure, you could say that the responses wasn't really satisfactorily but honestly, what did you expect at that point?
Basically this, minus the links which are screwed up a little and point to the wrong posts.
DNA isn't scum hunting, he's justifying his vote as "best for the town" even though it's not related to mine or Murrin's alignment.Shalako's "DNA is lynching new players instead of scum-hunting" honestly smells a bit more like a policy vote rather than the scum-hunting that he accused DNA of not doing, and fails to explain why DNA was lynch-worthy. Toss in Shalako's reasoning for the Zak vote as well, and I find Shalako's use of logic when he's voting people very weird. Not sure if it's because he's scum or just thinks radically different from anyone I've played mafia with, but I find it hard to find a townie motive behind his cases. For example, the Zakeri vote where he used "Zakeri knows X because he's scum" as his reason on literally every Zakeri quote he brought up. Leaning scum.
Clarification. Talking about murrin, with each other, especially since Shalako is shadowehs star townie,I understand he thinks he has a metaread that makes Murrin town. I can't argue with a read like that other then to say I think he's wrong and that we convince ourselves we know friend's metas, then in two games in a row they turn out to be scum and you look really stupid for calling them town. >:C
...It was Shalakos point about Murrins meta. I actually don't need to know his meta here, cause I have seen enough townnys falling apart under too much and too early pressure to get the idea and where is the harm in giving the guy time to do things at his own pace? Time that I can use to try to get out of my tunnel.
Town gut on Dorian, but his posting is rather tunnely in hindsight. What made you decide to drop Murrin today after pushing him all day yesterday? Or rather, what were the doubts you were talking about yesterday? Also, not sure why the case timing of Bard's Dormio case would be scummy? Unless you mean the lack of dropping the Serela case?
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Also, I tried actually reading stuff made by murrin and shalako and my impression is that they aren't playing mafia. This is a kinda weird statement without context, but the idea is that I see people who cares more about upholding images, buddying up players and stuff instead of trying to play, I can wall about this when I can actually use a comp, but I think most of us could get the gist of it..This board doesn't have ironicat and desperately needs it for you of all people saying this. Buddying up players and stuff. I'll wait for examples of this but your argument doesn't pass the smell test. I see you cut me with a post where my eyes immediately snapped to 'even if they're town we should lynch them' and I'm already biased to think you're bullshitting. Examples of how they're 'just buddying people' please.
..which leaves Raitaki, Bardiche, Conq, and Shadoweh that I need to look at more thoroughly some other time z.z I'm actually at work most of tomorrow so RIP, but, it's not like I used all the time I wasn't at work today to do much anyway because I'm lazy and it was soooo hoooootSerela, do tell me why you think Conqueror and Bardiche are suspicious, besides that other people said they kind of think they are. I expect you to pick up other people's suspicions but, and I mean this in the most cuddly of ways, you usually find them both quite reasonable and townie. Me too really. I've never seen you suspect all the (in my humble opinion) strongest players before.
Serela, do tell me why you think Conqueror and Bardiche are suspicious, besides that other people said they kind of think they are.It's not that I think they're suspicious so much as I just meant I had somewhat of a town read on the rest of the game already!
probably wouldn't be so pissed by murrins shallow arguments if murrin didn't have poor taste in shallow idols of aLolshittyshallow franchise, which relied on poor 3dcg and surged in popularity because sunrise can afford to pander to moeshit by two consecutive seasons of anime with a stereotypical highschool setting which baits people like nothing else and I am ridiculously salty about true great idols not getting enough love and Nico is literally the most obnoxious one trick pony ohwait
Also I couldn't really respond to Dorian being ignored being whose' fault without rereading (since I literally recall nothing about his interactions) but my kneejerk response is ...ITT: I'm not sure what I'm taking about but I keep talking about it anyway...
... that wouldn't the logical course of action be for Dorian to make that known D1 instead of waiting until being prompted about it? I don't think forgetting about it himself is a decent excuse here since I personally wouldve expected Dorian to care more about things so personal since they are his cases and whatnot. Like, iunno, that couldve made some great material for ed1 consolidation if that was brought up.I never forgot about it as this post proves (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1199052.html#msg1199052).
So take a deep breath, reread what I said and then am I more then happy to clear up any questions you may have after that.
But if you insist on ?Dorian is suspicious cause I'm too lazy to read him? then take your suspicion to the next brick wall or any other thing that doesn't cares about objectivity.
I've done a bit of rereading and still don't have any reads except Conq seems Town for now, most of what he has said makes sense and he is posting a good deal of content.this leans pretty heavy into conspiracies, and how about instead of letting other people make arguments for you, make one yourself and case me what's exactly that bad about my push? Since it appears you did read my recent LL saltpost, I did clarify in the one right above that my reasons for why I actually do in fact have a scumread on you and Shalko, and how my D1 case wasn't entirely meant to be just 'oh even if i ended up mislynching you two no hurt feelings'. I would highly appreciate that if you could either actually respond to my clarification or acknowledge it exists at all.
And question: when DNA is Town, does he usually pose these arguments of "player X isn't playing mafia", "player X isn't providing any content," "player X isn't going to help us win the game so we should lynch them anyway." Because this feels like it could be a scum argument of trying to get a Town lynched by acting as the "harsh" Townie and using the person's "unhelpful" play as justification for trying to convince others that the person is a good lynch option.
Though DNA hasn't voted for me, but still could be that he's just trying to plant the idea in people's minds first.
This suspicion of course mainly depends on other players' responses to my question of whether those arguments seem like Town!DNA arguments.
Also read more recent stuff in detail, and would like to say that bard is likely not scum. Scum!bard is very cautious about making perfect logic counts and is almost entirely devoid of screwups throughout, not that town!bard sucks, but is simply much more casual towards the game when he can afford to, effort=town doesn't seem to be an argument from scum!bard
Was that the something?Uh, no, that was resolved earlier yesterday. Anyone want to claim that?
I noticed both Bard/Shalako are listed in the votecount as "defensive maneuvers", and are also both the only players who haven't posted this phase, apart from Shalako commenting on random avatars at the very start of the day. So I presume this has to do with their inactivity? But I didn't see mentions of anything like that in the rules.
Will do some rereading before I go to sleep tonight (aka, within the next couple hours)
For a Day 1 Murrin made a great lynch option, not just because he had content to sift through and was a little weaselly in my opinion, but because the pressure on him disintegrated for what I perceive as no discernable reason. Onto lurkers. Do you know how hard it usually is to lynch all lurkers? I refuse to believe that the cause was Shalako's defense because the same people who switched votes were also talking about how suspicious Shalako seemed to them. Things that don't make sense deserve atttention and investigation. I still don't get what happened but there's 0 lynch force in that direcction today so *shrug*A moderately interesting point to bring up, but...what do you think about said people who got off the Murrin wagon? Thinking of something like this then not saying anything about the people involved seems odd.
Try not to get modkilled if you're prone to accidentally telling too much SERELAilu2, no wait you like the kittens not me
Murrin what in particular do you agree with with regard to conq? I.e. what makes sense?Examples: Post 148 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1198744.html#msg1198744), Post 152 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1198749.html#msg1198749), Post 211 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1198877.html#msg1198877), Post 226 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1198895.html#msg1198895), and Post 335 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1199591.html#msg1199591). He explains himself well. His reasoning seems sound and sensible. I can see where he's coming from with his claims even if I don't agree with them. He explains what his suspicion is and why. You don't have to agree with what he says but it is well laid out and you can see how he came to his conclusions.
@Murrin What are your reads aside from Conq and DNA?I'll see if I can post my reads later tonight (meaning, actually come up with reads).
Also see my name mentioned quite a bit,and to clarify my argument about lynching murrin and shalako was twofold; firstly, I indeed do scumread them both. I see a lack of elaboration on both shalako and murrin even while making alot of posts, and never quite elaborated on any of them. this isnt just a problem with their skill, but more of how Murrin spent the majority of the day parking his vote on me with a very weak 'he's attacking effort shalako' claim, then just hopped around on some other wagons without really substantiating on any of them (defos RMB murrin turning 180 on SB) after my initial wall response to Zak (the one before I flipped out) and people expressing I look towny, so there's really no explainable reasons for the murrin turnabout other than to avoid flak and attention which is a scum motivation. Shlako basically has the same problem, except my impression is that he went for refuge in audacity instead, highlighting again and again a simple one liner that wasn't even relevant. These scum motives are universal regardless of newbness, and shouldnt be handwaved by "effort"
At such, their arguments are borderline useless, which constitutes my second point, that even if they were town, they might as well be a negative contribution and lynching them is better for the gameplan. Yet both of them were frustrating me so much so that as such, instead of making a case that focused on the first point and making a useful case, my sentiment got ahold of me and I instead ranted mostly about my second point and assumed that I talked enough about my first one (probably never did). So people are only partially correct about my case. I was bitching about how lynching them is good, yes, but I also have an actual scumread on them, probably still do, in fact, but now I am more cautious about my conclusions on these two right now cause I may be biased.
It's not exactly a surefire logical fallacy either. On average, imo, town will post more than scum. In any case I don't believe that just because bard is more self-conscious as scum precludes him from posting something flawed. Bard isn't God. Human error is a thing.
I'm was voting him because of his pushing a policy lynch because it's scummy.I'm not against policy lynches, again, I thought it was odd that you were voting him for pushing policy lynches instead of voting scummy people when doing that doesn't necessarily make him a scummy person. But rereading your and Murrin's posts in general, since you guys appeared to hold the opinion that a person shouldn't be lynched for just being a lurker, I'm assuming it's just community differences where we have no qualms with the occasional policy lynch and you guys view policy lynching as inherently scummy.
The same logic you use saying that pushing Policy Lynches is worth voting for...is the reason i'm voting DNA, it's not a policy lynch, it's a reason for me to vote someone.
If you are so against policy lynches why not question DNA over why he wants to lynch new players (low hanging fruit who he is discrediting for no reason.)
I'll post my reads as I have time so:That should say halfway through reading Raitaki's posts
I'm about halfway through reading Raitaki's post (through post 141) and my read on him is leaning Town. All his votes seem to have decent justification, and his votes, including vote switches, give me the vibe of genuine scumhunting.
I'm was voting him because of his pushing a policy lynch because it's scummy.What vote on DNA? You're not voting him. Also, you didn't answer the several requests to give a general reads list, even if it's not complete by any means. I realize this is probably not your playstyle but right now your opinions are blowing in the wind for me, even though you had a lot to say D1.
The same logic you use saying that pushing Policy Lynches is worth voting for...is the reason i'm voting DNA, it's not a policy lynch, it's a reason for me to vote someone.
If you are so against policy lynches why not question DNA over why he wants to lynch new players (low hanging fruit who he is discrediting for no reason.)
There are also several reads that don't seem to match up with his D1 progression (DNA, Dormio/Dan being slightly town which would make more sense if Serela acknowledged Dan's posts but he didn't which makes me feel like he just went with the go with the flow option). I mean, I also change my reads frequently, but at the same time I'm also continuously reevaluating my reads in light of new information and I don't feel like Serela is doing that.To elaborate
Murrin apparently having no reads today when he was very aggressive yesterday and willing to push people on D1-tier points is pretty surprising to me. Especially since even at the end of D1 when he said he was faltering on reads he had mild suspicions on Dorian/SB/Shadoweh. Did those lead anywhere or did you just completely drop everything from D1?It is almost like he is scum running out of juice. Hmm I wonder if there's someone who argued that yesterday. ::)
Shadoweh is uncharacteristically absent from the game but I still have reasons to think she's town. Shadoweh, where do you stand on today on, well, anything?I get into games by chasing suspicions and seeing where they lead, that's why I was so annoyed the wagon veered off to randomly swat Zakeri. I think I'm getting a bit of inspirational juices flowing now, your case on Serela is.. weird but what he said about me struck me the wrong way too. Mostly because me tunneling someone on Day 1 is actually normal behaviour and I don't get why it should be suspicious at all in the first place. Because other people are telling Serela it should be?
Tried to read Shadoweh but couldn't because I'm tired and because there isn't much content there to analyze.I'm pretty sure half my posts are dedicated to lynching you and you can't even work up the ability to be mad at me for it or call me scum for attacking a poor innocent townie you?
Why talk about Raitaki then Vote Serela?
I would rather vote Raitaki for his awful vote on me for being 'awful'. He skipped over the part where he mentioned why I'm awful. I guess it's just an assumed thing that I'm Satan this game? I will humor you because you are my rally point for today though, if you'll tell me if you think Raitaki's post is as bad as I think it is. If we do have at least me, you and Dan as town, we can still win this game with slowmos.
##Target: Serela
I'm pretty sure half my posts are dedicated to lynching you and you can't even work up the ability to be mad at me for it or call me scum for attacking a poor innocent townie you?1) being mad at you for it is unproductive and irrelevant to whether you are town or scum
Before I go to sleep:I shouldve done this a long time ago.
DNA, My main reason to suspect him is pushing Policy Lynches, however I've never once seen a Lynch-Resistant Mafia, and he mentioned Beloved D1 in one of his walls, so I need to reconsider him.
Dormio Replaced by ActionDan I didn't understand why people attacked Dormio's post where he said paranoid reads beyond it being kinda fence sitting but I saw it as clarifying his thought process and Action Dan I agree with not trusting people just because they put effort into the game.
-Serela(Biggest Suspect)/Shadoweh I need to reread since they are blurring in my mind. I know hate the Whole Policy Lynch statement because of how backwards it is and saying "
"even if they're town we should lynch them" "I'm already biased to think you're bullshitting" but not Voting DNA?
-Raitaki Townie vibes,
-Bardiche ft. Skypal Hasn't posted a lot, Don't think Clearing People for effort is a good sign but I may just be influenced by Dan/Conq.
-Dorian Medium, doesn't really stick out anywhere.
-Conq Seems clearly Town, I don't think anyone doesn't think he's town?
-Murrin Town, gonna have to prove himself now that he's past being gunned down for the flailing. He knows why :V
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Need someone to clarify for the Meta here if it's common to push Policy Lynches. I saw the lurker one not get hammered.
Where I'm from, Seeking non-behavior reasons to lynch someone is considered Scummy, and Serela thinks so because they voted me fighting a Policy Lynch because that's a Policy Lynch somehow and Shadow thinking DNA is scummy for Policy Killing.
Also see my name mentioned quite a bit,and to clarify my argument about lynching murrin and shalako was twofold; firstly, I indeed do scumread them both. I see a lack of elaboration on both shalako and murrin even while making alot of posts, and never quite elaborated on any of them. this isnt just a problem with their skill, but more of how Murrin spent the majority of the day parking his vote on me with a very weak 'he's attacking effort shalako' claim, then just hopped around on some other wagons without really substantiating on any of them (defos RMB murrin turning 180 on SB) after my initial wall response to Zak (the one before I flipped out) and people expressing I look towny, so there's really no explainable reasons for the murrin turnabout other than to avoid flak and attention which is a scum motivation. Shlako basically has the same problem, except my impression is that he went for refuge in audacity instead, highlighting again and again a simple one liner that wasn't even relevant. These scum motives are universal regardless of newbness, and shouldnt be handwaved by "effort"This is my response as to why my vote is not a policy lynch, I hope this can be addressed before the same strawman is raised again.
At such, their arguments are borderline useless, which constitutes my second point, that even if they were town, they might as well be a negative contribution and lynching them is better for the gameplan. Yet both of them were frustrating me so much so that as such, instead of making a case that focused on the first point and making a useful case, my sentiment got ahold of me and I instead ranted mostly about my second point and assumed that I talked enough about my first one (probably never did). So people are only partially correct about my case. I was bitching about how lynching them is good, yes, but I also have an actual scumread on them, probably still do, in fact, but now I am more cautious about my conclusions on these two right now cause I may be biased.
Though I often work off PoE'ing town reads like he did in #337, writing off that many people as town without a scumflip reads like half assed effort.I'm not really writing these all off as hard reads, but they're people I definitely don't want to lynch -today- barring something surprising occurring at the very least. (I said as much in a less specific manner in the post itself; "who I think are not likely to be scum at the moment") This makes it much easier for me to decide between the people who I actually can see myself wanting lynched, because there's less noise. Like hell I'm going to ISO two thirds of the players at once when it's hard enough to make me do anything this game in the first place. I hate the heat, it just makes me want to lie in bed and complain all day ;_;
There are also several reads that don't seem to match up with his D1 progression (DNA, Dormio/Dan being slightly town which would make more sense if Serela acknowledged Dan's posts but he didn't which makes me feel like he just went with the go with the flow option)Towards the end of D1 my interest in DNA dropped off progressively harder; even when I talked about him with interest, I was pretty eh about it, because it was pretty much just the Shalako vote that gave me pause, but given consideration that alone could be explained just by DNA, uh, I don't know words, let's just say "meta"? Even though that's not exactly what I mean? "By acting like a human and therefore not acting ideally all the time"? Anyway moving on, his attitude coming into d2 cemented that I even moreso still wasn't interested in that direction anymore.
He skipped over the part where he mentioned why I'm awful. I guess it's just an assumed thing that I'm Satan this game?Goddamnit Shadoweh I do this often enough that that actually scared me into double-checking my posts >:C Though you're right, that's more or less all I'm voting you atm, for the D1 tunneling and the lack of follow-up or interest on anyone that you saw unvoting Murrin for dubious reasons. I hadn't managed to get a better scumread on anyone else, and I kind of forgot what your meta is generally like so I can't attempt to clear you using that either.
What exactly makes Shadowehs wait-and-see approach worse then lets say, Murrins fence sitting or my own wait and see approach?Her d1 was worse. She also seemed to have completely given up on her scumread; she didn't even bother voting Murrin over no-voting despite supposedly still thinking he's scum?
I also saw that you was still undecided on her the post before you voted and the only thing that changed in between was her vote, so did you not conisider her day2 stuff back then or was her sheeping Conqueror's case on you really the deciding point?It was midnight and I was very tired z.z I honestly didn't notice the questionableness. Her vote afterwords did not help. Also, it's definitely time to put a vote down, and I liked that vote over any other.
I shouldve done this a long time ago.Everything in this post was dumb as a bag of boxs but this was the dumbest.
##Vote Shalako. You had a much better time to ask about that kind of stuff, which was at the start of d2 when you were commenting about fontday shenanigans.
You using sleepiness as an excuse to avoid being held responsible for the quality of your post is also unacceptable, for you have shown d1 that you have more than enough time to constantly stalk the thread and making long, abeit empty walls. You now have over two days, three if you include the night phase, to think over your players, and this is the first wall you made over 50 hours. You are therefore beyond unreasonable to use sleepiness as a shield at this stage of the game.
...Wait, wasn't that Raitakis point?
Target Selery for the whole backwards Policy Vote thing
I thought Raitakis point was trying to get people onto the Shadow Wagon who were "Pro-Murren"?
Wait, wasn't that Raitakis point?
Shalako's Serela vote came out of even more nowhere when I consider the tone of his latest post.Are we not like 9 hours to deadline?
Reading it, it's fairly obvious that he was quite strongly scumreading DNA again.Don't put words in my mouth.
Yet, he went and voted Serela for something that (unless I'm wrong*) he never mentioned Serela doing until the five words "whole backwards Policy Lynch thing" following the vote, and something I've never seen Serela do either.Untarget yea it turns out it wasn't Serela (sorry) it was you
Shalako's "DNA is lynching new players instead of scum-hunting" honestly smells a bit more like a policy vote rather than the scum-hunting that he accused DNA of not doing, and fails to explain why DNA was lynch-worthy. Toss in Shalako's reasoning for the Zak vote as well, and I find Shalako's use of logic when he's voting people very weird. Not sure if it's because he's scum or just thinks radically different from anyone I've played mafia with, but I find it hard to find a townie motive behind his cases. For example, the Zakeri vote where he used "Zakeri knows X because he's scum" as his reason on literally every Zakeri quote he brought up. Leaning scum.
...I was about to reread more people, but then my relatives came over and now we're going out for dinner .-. Sorry bout the lack of development. At least nothing much happened between now and my latest medium post right before the consolidation rush so I don't think I'm missing out on a lot.
##Target: Shalako for now
I'm was voting him because of his pushing a policy lynch because it's scummy.How come you never answered this?
The same logic you use saying that pushing Policy Lynches is worth voting for...is the reason i'm voting DNA, it's not a policy lynch, it's a reason for me to vote someone.
If you are so against policy lynches why not question DNA over why he wants to lynch new players (low hanging fruit who he is discrediting for no reason.)
So you usually go around criticizing and incriminating people you neither think are scum nor want to lynch?QuoteReading it, it's fairly obvious that he was quite strongly scumreading DNA again.Don't put words in my mouth.
I'm not against policy lynches, again, I thought it was odd that you were voting him for pushing policy lynches instead of voting scummy people when doing that doesn't necessarily make him a scummy person. But rereading your and Murrin's posts in general, since you guys appeared to hold the opinion that a person shouldn't be lynched for just being a lurker, I'm assuming it's just community differences where we have no qualms with the occasional policy lynch and you guys view policy lynching as inherently scummy.I already explained my vote on you multiple times. I thought your DNA vote was a policy lynch because your reason did not necessarily mean DNA is scummy in our meta, but I retracted my vote on you because I realized that where you and Murrin came from, the meta considered policy lynching scummy by itself. Don't go around pointing at people and saying "how come you never answered X" when they already, with multiple people, multiple times, when you haven't read what they said. If someone said something confusing, then point it out and ask them to clarify like what I did, instead of pretending said confusing post to not exist.
I guess that leaves the Zakeri case as the only major qualm I have with Shalako. But that could have just been bad logic/assuming the worst so whatever. ##Untarget
Aren't they just efforts to make people lynch Shadow instead of themselves?Uh. I'm not sure what you're asking here. Don't people make cases to convince other people to lynch their scumreads? :V
So you usually go around criticizing and incriminating people you neither think are scum nor want to lynch?Even if you think someone is town why wouldn't you question them?
Oh that's what I missed then (i think I saw it and still thought you were Sel and that's what bumped them up to middling out of danger)
I already explained my vote on you multiple times. I thought your DNA vote was a policy lynch because your reason did not necessarily mean DNA is scummy in our meta, but I retracted my vote on you because I realized that where you and Murrin came from, the meta considered policy lynching scummy by itself. Don't go around pointing at people and saying "how come you never answered X" when they already, with multiple people, multiple times, when you haven't read what they said. If someone said something confusing, then point it out and ask them to clarify like what I did, instead of pretending said confusing post to not exist.
Need someone to clarify for the Meta here if it's common to push Policy Lynches. I saw the lurker one not get hammered.And this one you didn't answer :V
Where I'm from, Seeking non-behavior reasons to lynch someone is considered Scummy,
Logically, if the Bard wagon really did catch Shadoweh's attention, the least she could have done was examine Bard.Oh okay I see.
Uh. I'm not sure what you're asking here. Don't people make cases to convince other people to lynch their scumreads? :VI'm more wary so I viewed it as Sel coming up desperately with reasons to lynch Shadow over Sel.
Okay, so it seemed it was a mistake, and who Shalako meant to vote was me, not Serela. So what do you think of my reply?Your reply to me re:Policy (the original not the one just now) was more then fine since you pointed out it's a fish out of water situation.
In light of this, who do you want to vote? And why haven't you re-voted after unvoting Serela?
Also, since they were your previous scumreads, what do you think of Serela and Shadoweh right now?
I'm pretty sure half my posts are dedicated to lynching you and you can't even work up the ability to be mad at me for it or call me scum for attacking a poor innocent townie you?That ignore Murrin's very clearly Angry Town reactions earlier.
Make someone fucking claim already so we can get to the lynching part.Then is no where to be found as his wagon picks up near deadline to claim.
Her opinion on Raitaki hardly counts because it's as free of a justified OMGUS opinion as it gets. She's contributed nothing today but waiting around and then sheeping, after doing a tunnel d1. (Tunnelling d1 isn't a condemnation, but the fact that it was followed by this makes it pretty suspicious.)Do you think my opinion on Raitaki is justified, Serela? Even he admitted that he hadn't put down a reason in his vote post.
Wow Shalako. Why would I not claim? I didn't press for claims when I was here yesterday at.. what was it, ten minutes to deadline? You can't get a claim out of someone who isn't there.Goddamn it Spock it's not time for rational thinking!
Bard just seems to have quit. :/ Can he not at least get replaced by his hydra partner or something?Hydra's aren't two people posting on the same account here?
Your townreads are all people giving me weird vibes. Why u do dis to me?Expand please.
Even if you think someone is town why wouldn't you question them?You're not questioning. You're just blatantly making him look bad, without advancing your read on him to boot. Defacing someone's reputation like that while claiming "no I think they're town" is downright malicious and scummy. That post didn't look like "man DNA should stop doing X because it doesn't help town at all", it looked like "guys look how terrible DNA is for doing X".
And this one you didn't answer :VYes I did. In the same post I said "guess it's a community difference where we're fine with occasionally policy lynching, but you guys view it as scummy". Which translates to yes, we do tolerate policy lynches at times.
You're not questioning. You're just blatantly making him look bad, without advancing your read on him to boot. Defacing someone's reputation like that while claiming "no I think they're town" is downright malicious and scummy. That post didn't look like "man DNA should stop doing X because it doesn't help town at all", it looked like "guys look how terrible DNA is for doing X".What, you can think someone is dumb and wrong and still think they are town, I've questioned DNA more then enough to know it's like talking to a brick wall.
Yes I did. In the same post I said "guess it's a community difference where we're fine with occasionally policy lynching, but you guys view it as scummy". Which translates to yes, we do tolerate policy lynches at times.Clearly if the post is afters you didn't answer it?
The points you just brought up against Serela and Shadoweh are also very unsatisfying.Almost like I said earlier they are mild scum reads blurred toghether.
What about Shadoweh not taking into account Murrin's earlier angry reactions make her scummy?Because the thing she was attacking Murrin for not doing Murrin HAD been doing?
Why is Shadoweh not being here to claim after telling other people to claim in D1 scummy?Because she attacked people for not claiming then I thought she was gonna disappear until Deadline.
Serela wasn't the only one to vote Dormio, and not even the first one to, so how does that make her scummier than me and Bard (especially Bard, who started that wagon in the first place)?Serela and you were just sheeping Bard because of the deadline. You I have a town read on and Serela I didn't.
For clarification, effort equals Town. I think DNA, Shalako and Serela are town-looking at the moment due to the effort they invest
Honestly, it feels like you are only digging up these things just because I asked about Serela/Shadoweh and you deem it risky to back off these suspects because you already listed them as scumreads earlier.Naw, thanks for making me question my reads, I'd not have know I was wrong about thinking Serela was you because of it.
'd still love an actual Dormio post and I still think it's questionable to lynch him as it is but... considering the ~*~riveting~*~ competition? Sure, I'm for it.This is one of my reasons for doubting Selery as it's very back tracky after sheeping Bard.
You still haven't answered what about Serela's recent case against Shadoweh you dislikedYea I did, I said it was desperate to find a reason to lynch Shadow over themselfs.
If you can't explain it, then I'd have to conclude that you also handwaved it only because it came from one of your announced scumreads, so you don't want to be caught agreeing with them.Well man, if you want to twist yourself into knots to think I'm Mafia not much I can do about it but clearly you can see why one lynchee generating reasons to lynch the other big wagon shouldn't be taken at face value?
Also the reason to reconsider DNA being town for being a beloved was already in the thread yesterday so no idea why he suddenly flipped in the middle of today.He used the word Beloved but didn't claim the role yesterday
I have no idea what Serela has to do with policy votes and that's his reasoning for suspecting Serela apparently?I've already answered this.
He used the word Beloved but didn't claim the role yesterday
I am a beloved townie, obviously I also have additional abilities. You will therefore not see me at L-2 even when you decide when I am asleep I am the wagon to go, so please plan this out accordingly.
In fact conq, that's the rest of my ability, you will be able to send it to whomever, and until the person afflicted by this status dies, I lose my beloved status. I entrusted that thing to conq because he's my strongest townread.This was the only difference, the addition of that extra vote. Are you seriously saying that that made the difference?
Okay, so why the Bard vote now? This was something that could have been discussed earlier in the day.Yea, Bard now because Mr.Spaceship made me re-read the thread to find out just why Sel over Bard/him.
Also, now that I look again apparently you were voting Serela for something that Raitaki did. What do you think of Raitaki? Apparently this was enough to make Serela yourAnswered.biggestscum read at first so why is it now brush-off-able?
This was the only difference, the addition of that extra vote. Are you seriously saying that that made the difference?You really expect someone from a different forum where they clearly have different ideas and terminology to know that Beloved means lynch resistant?
What, you can think someone is dumb and wrong and still think they are town, I've questioned DNA more then enough to know it's like talking to a brick wall.Again, this would be fine if it stopped at that. But no, you also publicly incriminated him. Even if you think he's town, nobody else has to. This is not just showing people how "dumb and wrong" he is, this is also you trying to get him lynched.
Clearly if the post is afters you didn't answer it?Well, if I already answered your question before you asked it, why are you asking me why I didn't answer it?
I also disagree with Bards statement that Dormio was mudslinging DNA instead of just voicing his thought process and stating his reasons in thread for rejecting them as too nutty and I like Dan's posts so far so I think Bard was making up a reason to attack Dormio.So why didn't you bring this up when you posted this:
I don't like Sels voting Dormio for his post that I liked where he explained his thought process.The only viable explanation I can think of for this is "Shalako felt he was forced to produce any point at all to pin against Serela/Shadoweh to prove his reads". This is what Serela said when she voted Dormio:
...but I thought all the stuff you brought up against me had been addressed already in my posts? D: Granted, I didn't really bring you up in them, but!Aside from "this Dormio thing", there was no indication why Serela was voting Dormio at all. You'd have to go back and read Bard's case to know what Serela's sheeping, so you'd know Bard was the one who started the mudslinging. If you actually thought that was scummy, you'd have voted Bard then and there, instead of waiting for me to remind you that Bard started it first.
Kinda tempted to go along with this Dormio thing after all.
Well I'm certainly not voting anyone else right now so sure!
##Vote Dormio
Yea I did, I said it was desperate to find a reason to lynch Shadow over themselfs....What does this have to do with what you think about the case? What about the logic? If Serela made the most logical case in the world with entire pages of evidence leaving 0% doubt of Shadoweh being scum, would you have tossed it away as well if she said that at the end?
Look at the bad witch with the scummy posts we should lynch the her instead of me!
Well man, if you want to twist yourself into knots to think I'm Mafia not much I can do about it but clearly you can see why one lynchee generating reasons to lynch the other big wagon shouldn't be taken at face value?You can...try responding, because that was me stating in advance what I'd think if you didn't so I don't have to make an extra post stating the conclusions if you don't satisfy me .-.
You really expect someone from a different forum where they clearly have different ideas and terminology to know that Beloved means lynch resistant?Where in the thread did someone mention that Beloved means lynch resistant?
Again, this would be fine if it stopped at that. But no, you also publicly incriminated him. Even if you think he's town, nobody else has to. This is not just showing people how "dumb and wrong" he is, this is also you trying to get him lynched.You really expect me to defend myself from your twisted interpretation of my post?
Well, if I already answered your question before you asked it, why are you asking me why I didn't answer it?Lets start over.
Sheeping Bard because of the deadline is scummy because...Because before the Case Bard put on on Dorio Sel said that Dorios Post was a Null tell then after Bards post Sel sheeped it.
If you actually thought that was scummy, you'd have voted Bard then and there, instead of waiting for me to remind you that Bard started it first.Yea I ignored the whole thing to push for DNA at the time. Unless you mean I should have put bard higher on the Scum list then yea undoubtedly.
...What does this have to do with what you think about the case? What about the logic? If Serela made the most logical case in the world with entire pages of evidence leaving 0% doubt of Shadoweh being scum, would you have tossed it away as well if she said that at the end?Considering that's not not what happened at all and this is a huge strawman you might want to reconsider.
Where in the thread did someone mention that Beloved means lynch resistant?Um...It was You? Like clearly if I'd known that i'd have stopped voting DNA D1 for pushing Policy Lynches?
The easiest way to hardconf you would actually be to test your beloved status while it's still active since scum beloved doesn't exist outside of stupid bastard setups. I considered trying to organize that but I don't think this town is organized enough to pull it off within a reasonable time limit so I scrapped the idea.
Maybe an idea to keep for the future if the threshold is smaller and DNA is still alive and can confirm he is still beloved.
I'm not sure how this is a strawman. You didn't mention anything you dislike about the case itself, and only mentioned Serela's comment at the end. Which tells me that the number of issues you had with Serela's logic itself is zero.Quote...What does this have to do with what you think about the case? What about the logic? If Serela made the most logical case in the world with entire pages of evidence leaving 0% doubt of Shadoweh being scum, would you have tossed it away as well if she said that at the end?Considering that's not not what happened at all and this is a huge strawman you might want to reconsider.
Which tells me that the number of issues you had with Serela's logic itself is zero.(http://i.imgur.com/tdiBvnp.jpg)
Also, Shadoweh, this seems uncannnily uncooperative for you. Lynches are always better than no lynch. And you insisting on a very unlikely murrin lynch as if he's confscum when there's so little time to deadline is weirdFirst Shalako acts like I'm not going to claim, then you act like I'm going to no-lynch. I'm still here to switch votes if I need to. I didn't want to lynch Zakeri either. I will point to the wagons, in which Shalako has like three votes and point out my lynch is just as likely.
I will point to the wagons, in which Shalako has like three votes and point out my lynch is just as likely.If you're so sure i'm town wouldn't you rather not waste your vote on Murren (who I think is town) and consolidate on a neither me or you wagon?
If you're so sure i'm town wouldn't you rather not waste your vote on Murren (who I think is town) and consolidate on a neither me orSry, answer this one Shadowyouwagon I don't support?
Do you think i'm just wrong about Murrin besides my clear cut read on him?
I don't want to lynch Murrin and I don't think it's fair to say he's been more lurky when we've had more activity now in the final hours then the rest of the game.
The way I handled Dormio was a lot less of a heel-face-turn than you're implying it was. My posts before Bard pretty clearly said that I -was- sorta interested in a Dormio lynch, but just that I didn't figure it was actually a good idea since meh d1 lurking lynches. All the other lynches were so bleh too though, that Bard putting actual thought and reason into why a Dormio lynch was a good idea managed to tip me over.How do you feel about Bard clearing people for putting effort into the game? (My statement was a bit exaggerated I agree, I just play from a more wary base of thought.)
So uh, this may be obvious but why not ask the one player who has a Meta with me here?
Reading Shalako is difficult for me because I can't tell if the rapid fire accusations are scum throwing out stuff for the hell of it or town.
How do you feel about Bard clearing people for putting effort into the game? (My statement was a bit exaggerated I agree, I just play from a more wary base of thought.)I think the Bard wagon is a non-option even if Bard was super scummy for reasons I explained a couple posts or so ago.
Do Mafia members literally not put effort into games here?
Thinking people are town because of effort is a very meta thing. It can work, it's possible to get non-bad reads that way, but it's entirely based on meta, so take that as you will. If you're good enough at it and able to not make mistakes often, you can use small details about the way people talk to get good reads on if they're town or scum, that aren't actually based on anything legitimately solid :D Hooray! (I'm sleepy)Okay, considering that Bard Cleared me for effort when he has none with me?
His claims also are always exaggerated misrepresentations of reality, of which it appears to be deliberate instead of accidental. I seriously doubt if a town player can actually play like that.(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/3b9ed532.gif)
##Unvote ##Vote ShalakoNaw man, feel free to put out poor votes with other bad votes
consolidation, sorry, etc
Well then since you know your main reason for voting me is garbage how about removing it then?
I think the Bard wagon is a non-option even if Bard was super scummy for reasons I explained a couple posts or so ago.
NNR asked for a sub in the main thread so I assume he's trying to get him replaced.Murrin just claimed having requested a sub is the thing :V
Why the fuck are we arguing about who's going to be modkilled an hour before deadline. This has nothing to do with who we're lynching, and NNR asked for a sub in the main thread so I assume he's trying to get him replaced.Please explain what exactly there is to defend against with this wagon?
##Target: Shalako
You, buddy, need to claim. I don't like this wagon but if you've got something now is the time to say it so we can push onto someBard else or soemthing.
even if you do flip town this is a pretty uncool way to react, "lol have fun with the wagon you wasted the day on"Hey, not my fault ya'll decided to gun for the wrong person.
Uh, what? Are you claiming you got role swapped? That doesn't even make any sense.I got a thing.
Explain what this "stuff" is. An invention?Mods been clear about not posting flavor.
Either way what's your original role?Things that go to other People, Why I believed the Drone was DNA's.
He does appear to be claiming to be role swapped. If you don't want to claim your old role, claim what you have now.One delightful lil ship of my own.
Oh man I will have egg on my face if I ran into SB and gifted myself.No I think it's definable that it's not the same as me.
??Because It'd have outed me?
If you are town and you knew the drones were mine why dont you bring it up when I claimed and hardconfirm my claim?
and also you kept mudslinging at me, when you already knew my claim is true from your POV and you couldve claimed much earlier, why still insist on playing coy when there's an hour to deadline? Whats the entire point of your behavior? How would bringing this up now be town seeking to contribute instead of scum flailing?Because it's obvious with how poor my wagon is there's Scum on it.
I don't quite understand how your apparent role would relate to DNA's drones.Dna isn't the only one who can send things to other people.
A role that you still haven't claimed btw.
I don't understand what you stand to lose in claiming if you were town.How amazing you don't have all the information I have and you decide you are right yet again.
Ugh. :/ I doubt a scum person would be this stubborn, but there's no time now.Good thing Murrin your most Suspicious read saying he's willing to drop the Hammer on your most town read hasn't made you reconsider your vote.
Conq do you really think this sounds like scum flailing instead of an extremely stubborn townie? This is exactly what I would do years ago.
Conq do you really think this sounds like scum flailing instead of an extremely stubborn townie? This is exactly what I would do years ago.Could go either way honestly but at this point there's really no other option.
Shalako if you are Town I am truly sorry. But I am going to wager on that you are lying about your claim.Lynch Dependent
##Target: Shalako
Are you fucking serious?I was planning on being dead by this point obviously.
,,,I'm terrible at Set-up Analysis, I think you are right about that making no sense but who would give me it? It's gotta be one of the people who pushed so hard to get me lynched since they knew this would happen right?
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I'm a Tree Stump lied about being a PR to make Scum more eager to lynch me, I've already said why votes were bad on my wagonAlso, this doesn't make any sense. Your PR claim was so muddled that any townie would have jumped on the lynch, especially because it was consolidation time. I don't know why you thought it was a good idea to blow up someone when you're basically baiting them.
Also, this doesn't make any sense. Your PR claim was so muddled that any townie would have jumped on the lynch, especially because it was consolidation time. I don't know why you thought it was a good idea to blow up someone when you're basically baiting them.Thats why I waited so long to claim tho.
What.
If thats the case you are the most useless stump ever.
Also, that's not how stumps work, stumps will get a flip, and you apparently still don't count as destroyed in frontpage
It means you are not dead.
I have never seen an unlynchable player, let alone one that grants free Nighttalk.This is why I didn't think this would happen
unlynchability is pretty bullshit tbh
lied about being a PR to make Scum more eager to lynch me
-Everyone is guaranteed a power role.my tears never end
...or not. Goddamnit I forgot SB was the redirector. He could have totes redirected whoever it was to give Shalako the unlynchable shot on accident I guess. I feel like the inventor(?) should have been informed if that was the case but whatever.
I may or may not have red herrings in the setup specifically made to punish this behavior.How likely is it I was given a Red Herring? Don't modgame what the gift does? ??
I can play if you don't mind me knowing the set-up and asking for massclaim D1.I don't know about shalakos role, and since he's backtracking way too bloody many times on his claim I am not willing to entirely trust him either. and I figure most other townies will think the same.
Before I go to sleep:What I want to focus on is Shalako's line in reference to DNA, particularly the lynch-resistant section. Can I assume this was what you meant when you said you were softing the whole time? Thing is, now you're claiming to be a Tree Stump, which is throwing me off a bit, because I don't know how to rationalize both your soft claim and your current claim. Right now, I'm going to reread over the events of the day, and I'll see if I can come up with anything better.
DNA, My main reason to suspect him is pushing Policy Lynches, however I've never once seen a Lynch-Resistant Mafia, and he mentioned Beloved D1 in one of his walls, so I need to reconsider him.
Dormio Replaced by ActionDan I didn't understand why people attacked Dormio's post where he said paranoid reads beyond it being kinda fence sitting but I saw it as clarifying his thought process and Action Dan I agree with not trusting people just because they put effort into the game.
-Serela(Biggest Suspect)/Shadoweh I need to reread since they are blurring in my mind. I know hate the Whole Policy Lynch statement because of how backwards it is and saying "
"even if they're town we should lynch them" "I'm already biased to think you're bullshitting" but not Voting DNA?
-Raitaki Townie vibes,
-Bardiche ft. Skypal Hasn't posted a lot, Don't think Clearing People for effort is a good sign but I may just be influenced by Dan/Conq.
-Dorian Medium, doesn't really stick out anywhere.
-Conq Seems clearly Town, I don't think anyone doesn't think he's town?
-Murrin Town, gonna have to prove himself now that he's past being gunned down for the flailing. He knows why :V
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Need someone to clarify for the Meta here if it's common to push Policy Lynches. I saw the lurker one not get hammered.
Where I'm from, Seeking non-behavior reasons to lynch someone is considered Scummy, and Serela thinks so because they voted me fighting a Policy Lynch because that's a Policy Lynch somehow and Shadow thinking DNA is scummy for Policy Killing.
I'm thinking this is a delayed death deal going on. If anything, Shalako claiming to be Tree Stump is him saying "I'm as good as dead at this point," and his getting lynched has brought on this global chat night cycle. That's what I think he's saying, but I haven't been able to read Shalako well at all from the sidelines. He's had me stumped all night. :VI don't think this is me dying and being able to talk?
Puns aside, I'm going to look back through everything from before the Shalako wagon to see what sort of reads I can get off of everyone else.
Thing is, now you're claiming to be a Tree Stump, which is throwing me off a bit, because I don't know how to rationalize both your soft claim and your current claim. Right now, I'm going to reread over the events of the day, and I'll see if I can come up with anything betterDrones, I knew they existed and DNA claimed to have one. I got one and DNA claimed D1 to be beloved with additional Abilities.
I'm terrible at Set-up Analysis, I think you are right about that making no sense but who would give me it? It's gotta be one of the people who pushed so hard to get me lynched since they knew this would happen right?
So is BP doctorBP Bodyguard. The difference being if I save someone I can be immediately shot.
and I was baited into suciding by my gift for no reason.You're gonna make me beat my face into a desk here.
I was lead to think it was a drone that I could blow up and kill someone on my wagon...And assuming he isn't bsing this time, I am inclined to agree with raitaki, this aint a town ability, it has to be a scum one.
Not a drone that gave me a shield...
(Things happen when you get lynched)
Wow, I'd assumed it was clearly Town-Allied ability but now...
I'm a Tree Stump lied about being a PR to make Scum more eager to lynch me, I've already said why votes were bad on my wagon
In fact conq, that's the rest of my ability, you will be able to send it to whomever, and until the person afflicted by this status dies, I lose my beloved status. I entrusted that thing to conq because he's my strongest townread.
Losing my hardconf was the reason why I was reluctant to fullclaim it early. Part of it was also because I was optimistic during N1 that it would start discussions or even allow me to counterclaim, but nobody seemed to have taken note of that at all. Also, since this ability is borderline useless even if I claim, it seemed like a waste to do so until I have seen some useful content on that. But since this is obviously not happening, I want to make it clear this phase so at least there won't be any confusion over if its some scum shenanigans and whatnot.
Cut by 2
Oh wait, there's actually someone who would know shalako well enough and give him that ability d1 regardless of his lacklustre play, murrinAh hah, what a torch I've been handed... :colonveeplusalpha:
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO, TRY TO LYNCH HIM AGAIN? Do you think he's scum that takes 2 lynches to kill? If 3 people said this was a balanced setup I'd sooner think the solution is town deciding to use the secret "lynch the mod" option and then no lynch to achieve the Good End.Yes? Serela, I think it's really interesting that you don't remember what a Governor is. It's been a scum role in Motk games before. Being unlynchable once doesn't mean much. It is almost like you already know the answer to the 'silly questions' the rest of town are positing.
Anyone want to claim responsibility?I claim responsibility for the night talk, does that count too?^^
Yes? Serela, I think it's really interesting that you don't remember what a Governor is. It's been a scum role in Motk games before. Being unlynchable once doesn't mean much. It is almost like you already know the answer to the 'silly questions' the rest of town are positing.I suppose if we're considering that Shalako might just be lying about his claim, I'm actually curious about the possibility of scum Governor in this setup. DNA already mentioned that if scum has a sort of unlynchable PR, it could be pretty balanced if it were a 10v2 scum setup and/or town had some unlimited PRs that could kill scum. Is this necessarily a setup where scum Governor could even be balanced, if we consider either of those possibilities? I could buy that in the 10v2 case, for sure, since it would give scum an extra night/day with that player's influence in order to get another NK.
Besides, Super Shields fit much more snuggly into the flavor as a self-shield.
BP Bodyguard. The difference being if I save someone I can be immediately shot.Yeah, trying to use flavor to game the setup in any way outside of what I have provided in the main thread is against the rules. If you really want to grasp at roles, stick to laymans terms (ie cop and doc)
Hey Neko, is it against the rules if we try to guess someone else's flavor? I'm pretty sure Shalako is not telling the truth.
I am currently in Kure taking notes on Yamato for upgrading our flagship.He's been ranting for 2 whole days about how I'm terrible and I can't even play mafia and how noob I am.
Day 2 I was mostly raging to myself about Shalako's terrible posts. Others have mainly done this already but the point for me was when he personally attacked DNA and several appeals to emotion
I claim responsibility for the night talk, does that count too?^^:derp: That was unnecessary but it does clear up that the night talk isn't tied to the no lynch.
I'd say the roleshens were rather productive. Did you honestly think this wasn't going to get anywhere, Selery?I don't think it was and I don't think it got anywhere, we'll have to agree to disagree here `-`
Let's see. I disagreed with effort = town, ah then Shadoweh. Well there's a doc claim now so on well, anyway I felt her hands off day 1/Mirrin is scum but no effort to drive the lynch came from scum Shadoweh. And perhaps it still does!! But we can revisit that if a claimed doc survives until mid/late game, for now she's town in my book.It's fair criticism. I haven't been feeling too hands-on this game. It helps that it's for the best if I'm not particularily someone the scum want to nightkill!
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You can use the Zoltan Supershields to block an incredible amount of damage, enough to prevent one of your allies or yourself from being destroyed during a Combat Cycle. However, you won't be able to recharge your power again. To use this, PM the mod with ##Activate Supershields. You will automatically use this on yourself if you are in danger and can still use it. This shield needs to upkeep the charge during Scrapping Cycles and thus won't protect you.
Glaive Beam, one of the most powerful mountable weapons ever created.
The Glaive Beam is a beam weapon, which means it can be used to cut through a ship in one blast as opposed to firing short bursts of energy. Naturally, the Glaive Beam is the most powerful type of this weapon created to date. It is so powerful, it can even pierce through multiple layers of shielding, and is capable of cutting a ship completely in half, provided it can penetrate an enemy's defenses. A truly scary weapon, well worth the time it takes to charge. Only the toughest ships could resist something this deadly. (This is the Factional Nightkill)
Zoltan Supershields may be only used at the end of a Combat Cycle (12 hours before or after it ends), whereas your other ability may only be used during a Scrapping Cycle.
Clone Bay The Clone Bay is nestled deep within your ship, in the core of your hull. Supposedly, it should allow your crew to survive should your ship's main hull be destroyed, but the Rebels are always quite thorough and probably will not allow this to survive.
It's your mission to defeat the enemies out to destroy you so you and your allies can escape to the Federation Base. You'll be able to escape once you achieve an even battlefield with all opposing forces, or nothing can stop the same.
tldr you're Federation-Aligned, QT link is above. You're a Federation Governor.
Your ability will automatically save your ass from a lynch, if you haven't used it.
You may use it in advance of a scum lynch to halt it as well.
Try to PM me in advance if you plan to use your Governor ability, please.
Your ability is disabled in SYMLO.
-Pakkitoru
Apparently unrelated to her stumpiness, she was gifted unlynchable status.
So, now I read it but you can't prove that I understood it!<_<;
First I was wondering how the Shalako wagon came to be in the first place, cause the crime I saw him commit here was mostly getting furious about and therefore distracted by DNA. Something I can hardly blame him for.^^;
Second, the mystery of the setup. I have actually mixed feelings about a mess claim. Not that I mind to claim, in fact I will mostly do so right away cause I already played 2 of my 3 cards but don't take it as a encouragement to do the same. I still hope town has some aces up our common sleeve and if that's the case then they better stay hidden till they are needed.
So, I'm a jack of all trades with three one shoot abilities, the first was neighborisor which I used night one but didn't get around to private talk to Murrin as I intended the other was the night talk tonight. The third is not your business now but I may or may not come to it tomorrow.
Speaking of tomorrow, it's time for me, so good night.
I claim responsibility for the night talk, does that count too?^^And as you may have noticed, while he did address the most immediate problem (unlynchable shalako), Dorian pretty much held his hand in participating in anything else, and given most of what the last five pages consist of basically scrambling for consolidation. It just struck me as very weird how Dorian didn't find material better than my case on shalako to focus on, in fact, my case was initially met with lukewarm response, and it wad because the deadline drawing near and shalako flipping out that it snowballed into a success. Tldr there's better things to dig into and not digging that is uncharacteristic of Dorian
However to explain my latest vote, I was skimming the game mostly for the vote situation, saw Shadowehs claim which lead me to reconsider my vote. And so I picked the wagon with the greatest chance to go through, that wasn't Shalako.
With this out of the way will I go and take a shower before I start to actually read the the last 5 pages. Even when I think that I'll regret.^^;
Unlynchable scum is pretty bullshit tbh
I don't see where you're going with this Dan; he got redirected by town!SB, that isn't alignment indicative
Active Captains:
-DNA
-Zak
-ActionDan
-Serela
-Skypal ft Bardiche
-Dorian
-Conq
-SB
-Pakkitoru
-Shadoweh
Yes? Serela, I think it's really interesting that you don't remember what a Governor is. It's been a scum role in Motk games before. Being unlynchable once doesn't mean much. It is almost like you already know the answer to the 'silly questions' the rest of town are positing.This almost sounds like you ? lets say suspect Serela of being scum.
...But in your next post you need to assume town Serela to further suspect the guy that you suspected all game! Where does this town assumption on Serela come from? And wasn't Murrin not suspect enough to you before? To the point that you even complained about me not voting him anymore.
Conq: I think my feelings on Pattorguy depend on Serela's alignment. If Serela is town I don't like the way he's setting him up. ...
Mass claim: hold off until a cop or tracker type actually flips. We already have an outed doc, so the threat of a watcher type covering Shadowdh is the only way she will survive.Oh hey dat nightkill victim :V I'm pretty much fine with massclaim as stated earlier, esp. since I just realized the only person who could possibly claim that I don't really want to would be Conq. A lot of people either died or already claimed, actually. Albeit my claim wasn't really a claim, I guess!
-Bardiche ft. Skypal Hasn't posted a lot, Don't think Clearing People for effort is a good sign but I may just be influenced by Dan/Conq.And then Shalako votes me for something someone else entirely had done, which he keeps pursuing and talking about for a few more posts before realizing I wasn't the one who did it. I think this is a pretty good tell that I wasn't his scumbuddy. He started taking a lot of flak about/after this and started getting flashwagoned. There's some shadoweh interactions that I think support Shads being town, not that I doubt that anyway. Same for Conq. He starts trying to get the Bard wagon started back up, too, after things are going south. Starting to think Bard is probably town that the scum really wanted to get lynched? In any case, that further supports Dan/Shalako being on the same team, at the very least; Bard interactions could go either way since there's the gov.
-Dorian Medium, doesn't really stick out anywhere.
-Dormio Replaced by ActionDan I didn't understand why people attacked Dormio's post where he said paranoid reads beyond it being kinda fence sitting but I saw it as clarifying his thought process and Action Dan I agree with not trusting people just because they put effort into the game.
@DNA: First I would suggest that you go to sleep and rephrase your first bunch of questions, cause it's kind of a mess. But I can answer your last two questions.I kind of understand why you would pick up such a playstyle, but with a completely uncontested BP bodyguard claim with several players willing to justify such a PR given scum Governor exists in this setup, you're telling me you'd still suspect Shadoweh of being scum because her fos wavered? For that matter, Shadoweh's change in perspective on my slot came into play late into the phase, where I'd already made plenty of posts that differentiated my playstyle from Murrin's, (whether for better or worse, I cannot tell) and Conqueror - a major townread by just about everyone - had also stated he feels better about my play over Murrin's. Shadoweh had raised a valid point in me picking up on the three easiest scumreads in the game at that point, so I understand why you feel Shadoweh reading me more as town is a bit suspect.
First, I always put play/behavior over roles, cause I base my decisions on what my suspect does no matter what the mod may or may not gave them. Fun fact: I cleared you based on the fact that you needlessly blurt out your claim day1! I'm honestly still not sure what your role actually does but I think your town so I don't care anyway.^^;
And second, I you call a major contradiction in her reads a cherry then I quoted a sweet cherry ~ <3
Honestly, what do I need more then the fact that she suspected Murrin all game but as soon as the guy gets replaced does she require Serela, a player she also suspected for some time, to be town to think he's scum. That's too much of a jump that I could follow.^^;;
He starts trying to get the Bard wagon started back up, too, after things are going south. Starting to think Bard is probably town that the scum really wanted to get lynched? In any case, that further supports Dan/Shalako being on the same team, at the very least; Bard interactions could go either way since there's the gov.
Dan's play himself is okay until you consider his targets in relation to gamestate now that we know Shalako was scum, there was a gov, etc. I think he looks pretty likely to be his scumbuddy, now, and also the PoE is powerful.
##Target ActionDan
And I had a town read on him for D1, and the qt did not dissuade me from that read
Also, Dan, who else do you think is scum besides SkyBard?
So, I'm a jack of all trades with three one shoot abilities, the first was neighborisor which I used night one but didn't get around to private talk to Murrin as I intended the other was the night talk tonight. The third is not your business now but I may or may not come to it tomorrow.
I'll also note that the 0 shot ability is why I am dubious of Shadowehs claim of "bulletproof doc that doesn't so anything".I am pretty sure that is not what I claimed? I'm also apparently confirmed town too so kiss my townie balls? Hey, why was Raitaki obvious town over someone like Conq? I am sincerely interested in what on Day 1 made you think he was the superior roleblock slash protect choice, and why you did not decide to say block Shakalo or something.
@mod do scum get day chat in this game?The Rebel Fleet has no way to limit Federation communications at this time.
How are you confirmed town, Shadoweh?
I'm a one-shot cop and Shadoweh's aIf your concern is that his play during day 1 makes his claim shaky, then I understand, but I for one trust Conq to be town right now.true patriotrebel. Bolding this so people actually read it.
And chances are even if you aren't fibbing about your ability netting us another conf, you likely won't live/get it off due to scum knowing this.Would you really be upset if scum used a nightkill or roleblock on me out of risk I mess things up for them? Getting scum to NK a mislynchable person in itself wouldn't be something I'd be terribly unhappy about occurring :V Obviously it'd be better if I succeeded in something but that'd still be a pretty decent contribution towards town win
Not getting information now is more damaging to our deciSion making.really isn't imo, my role does not make anyone else's claims more or less likely to be true, the only relevance is to whether or not it makes you think I'm town and considering that people are more eager to vote the people I think are scum than myself, I'm really not worried about that aspect right now!
Shadoweh will not die because bp, him being roleblocked ultimately doesn't result in more deaths for town. A towny will die regardless, and if Serela is town Id reckon scum is smart enough to rb him anyway....I don't understand what you're saying :S Shadoweh isn't just BP, shadoweh is a BP -BODYGUARD-, Shadoweh is basically the doctor. If scum don't roleblock Shadoweh it's possible for any kill they make to be prevented. If they want to deal with both of our roles at once they'd have to either have a strongman kill for Shads or RB Shadoweh and kill me which means they killed someone that is actually a very possible mislynch later in the game, which would be worth all these shenanigans.
Ah I am so dumb.I would like to quote this just in case there's any townies who can relate, Shadoweh or not. Skimming flipped rolepms... nope.
@Shadoweh does your role and ability list include "bomb" in the non traditional sense? You might be my missing part.
with his bp failing if he uses his action to cover someone elseWait what I don't remember this, am I just terrible ;_;
BP Bodyguard. The difference being if I save someone I can be immediately shot.
Hey Neko, is it against the rules if we try to guess someone else's flavor? I'm pretty sure Shalako is not telling the truth.
I will entertain the notion some scums could bring up the idea about governor but not pursuing it. （Such as shaodweh, but his uncountered doctor claim with a unique clause sets him firmly in town territory）, but I won't accept you trying to pass off the night panic as wifom.
Cut by 2
conq/shadoweh scumteam is only bloody possible if they are a package deal, entertaining that nonsense is stupidDude you're the one talking repeatedly about lynching shadoweh. :T Saying that entertaining the idea is ridiculous is what -I'm- doing to -you-.
I think Dans handwave townclear on Dorian is extremely forced. All he has established is that yes, he was redirected by SB. This is not alignment indicative and with a flipped tracker/claimed cop/claimed doc I doubt Dorians last ability is auto town.
This seems to be an uncharacteristically poor announcement coming from Dan.
##target Dan while I review day 2.
...Cause I can't follow this turn around.
Other that thank generally agree with Dan's assessment of Dorian. This doesn't mean I think either of them are conf town, but I'm more willing to accept the statement came from town!Dan.
...
oh somehow I...To be fair what I meant by that post is that if I save someone by bodyguarding them, I lose my BP because it counts as me being shot in their place. It's stronger then a one-shot doctor but weaker then a full doctor, other then my self-protection.
where even is that post *clicks* oh
okay I'll have to concede that one, I legitimately thought you had pulled that knowledge from the ether because I had just read through all of shadoweh's posts
SUDDEN URGE TO RANDOMLY HAMMER SKYPALADIN HNNNNGGGG
that'd be retarded though because if he flipped town I'd be turbolynched and we'd lose so yeah no I'll be a responsible person :C
No because a jack of all trades with a shot of jailkeeper and 2 other sorta shitty stuff is a cc to an odd-night jailkeeper/(no one knows)No one knows? He claims he hands out BP vests.
Did Dorian tell you he was a one-shot Jailkeeper before or after Sky's claim?
I honestly think Sky's actions today are town. I'm more suspicious of Dorian's vote behaviour yesterday, re me and trying to vote me or Serela and avoiding Shalako's wagon.
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We discussed DNA - I differentiates his activity from this game and last game (where he was scum) because he is not tunneling or engaging in made up drivel - his frustration with Shalako over the whole policy lynch fiasco seemed legit. So that looked like town DNA to me.I cant been mistaken on this, you stated this specifically you find my D1 town, you also distributed in the same post some other clears and FoS at people too, yet you still opted to completely backtrack on your read of the same thing, directly contradicting your earlier clear without referring to any additional content. Sky P also did the same for alot of other things too, but I don't want to make this drag as you can read and compare his early and late posts for yourself. Point is, this doesn't come off as town gradually changing perspectives due to the surfacing of new information, but is forced, sudden, and desperate. I understand that Sky P is busy, but busy doesn't justify focusing on all the unimportant fluff and avoiding to address any glaring issues in his play. My inference is that he's using 'busy' as an excuse to keep throwing things out and disorient us and mess up our analysis.
-Role flavor claiming and speculation is absolutely banned, on the basis that there are no flavor-fakeclaims (not enough content in the game for it) and it's inherently obvious who belongs in what faction with flavor outed (at least assuming you've played FTL). Flavor is for the purposes of flips and game flavor ONLY.
--Role information without the flavor is provided in a tl;dr at the end of each role PM. If you want to claim your role, refer to this, and this only. Fakeclaims should not hint at any flavor either (ask me if you're not sure)
also, the proposal scum!DNA is ridiculous from the start. You'd basically have to first justify beloved and governor on same scumteam, and that I also willingly demolished my own image and completely blew a fuse, ruining my MAF reputation as soon as d1 instead of just playing mild irritation at shalako, and me activiely bussing/harassing shalako and pursuing his lynch tomorrow, while also actively engaging the playerbase and providing the bulk of content. you can obviously question my efficiency and coherency because I will admit I post exactly my genuine train of thought as soon as I get them, but I will argue that what I am doing is needlessly and excessively harming scum more than town to justify as scum. The case on me is paranoia, which is understandable because I was scum last game. But if you question my priorities I can and I will answer them all and quell every last bit of doubt you have.
The third is not your business now but I may or may not come to it tomorrow.Seems to imply that you would have used something last night and reported the results if relevant.
I think I still see Sky/Dorian as the most sensible option. I guess Dorian/Dan technically works but I get more aneurysms reading Sky's posts than Dan's posts. I really wish people like Shadoweh and Pattorikku would talk more though because as the closest things we have to confirmed town it would be nice to hear something so the rest of us don't just keep talking in circles.I had a big post about how I thought Dorian was scum over Sky, but then I found out about the counter-claim so I've had to think about it.
Serela, your posts are confusing me because you keep switching your opinions every other post and saying stuff like "QT shenanigans make Dorian and Dan less likely to be scum together." It's either null if you believe the QT actually exists or more likely to be scum together if you believe the QT is a lie. Also going "ROLES MAKE SKY SCUM" and then just giving up and going for dan/dorian. I understand the sentiment because this game is frustrating but please.I don't switch my opinions -that- much. >_> And for the most part they've been pretty consistent or had logic following the changes in opinion. This is like, literally the first weird one? Anyway it was 1:30am and no one makes good decisions at 1:30am. THE BODY WAS AWAKE BUT THE MIND WAS WEAK
And about that post, maybe because I talked about everyone that was in your votecount? So what's odd about it?No, I just forgave you for that point in my previous point and retracted it XD
That's the same as Conq wondering why I find it difficult to make a case on Skys content when he only addresses content that wasn't even made as I said that. Am I scum because I can't read in my sleep nor post at work?I just checked to make sure I wasn't getting the time line wrong and all of sky's content posts sans the vote came before your bulk reasoning post on voting sky. I wasn't talking about the initial vote you had on sky but the followup reasoning. And I don't think anyone has attacked you on account of inactivity?
Welcome to Faster Than Light Mafia, Captain!
You have been chosen to pilot the high-tech Engi ship, The Torus
The Engi are intelligent beings composed entirely of nanomachines, which make them in a way like organic computers, susceptible to computer viruses rather then biological ones. The Engi race have some of the best engineering prowess in the galaxy, and are recognizable by their organized, donut-shaped messes they call ships. However, for all the engineering marvel they possess, they lack in fighting ability, making better ship operators and repairmen then ship-boarders. It's for this reason they tend to be terrorized by the Mantis and the Rockmen.
Consequently, the Engi are good friends with the Federation, who does their best to protect the Engi from the many dangers of the galaxy, in exchange for having built for them some of the more advanced ship-designs the galaxy has to offer. The crew of the Torus wants nothing to do with the oppressive rebels, and wish to aid The Kestrel in delivering their precious secret to the Federation Command.
You have two allies in this fight, your trusted companions of the Federation-vital crew of the Kestrel, and the Engi-allied Zoltans. You have open radio communication with them that you can access here: <Quicktopic link>
Your ship's special abilities are:
Ion Blast Mk II, the potent weapon of the Engi.
Capable of completely disabling a ship's systems and shields, Ion Blast Mk II easily renders enemy ships unarmed and vulnerable, making them unable to act for as long as you have them disabled. Any special abilities they have will be unusable until the Ion Blast wears off, and you can keep them disabled for as long as you keep them pinned down with the weapon. You may use this ability by PMing: ##Ion: Playername
Combat Drone Mk II, a deadly drone capable of ripping apart ships.
The Combat Drone Mk II is another advanced weapon of the Engi, capable of outperforming other combat drones and even capable of evading anti-combat drones. With careful use of Ion Blast weaponry, any ship meeting this drone will be defenseless and scrap long before they have time to react. (This is the Factional Nightkill)
Heal Bombs: Heal Bombs are an interesting combination of Engi nanomachine and ion burst technology, allowing you to stun and heal the crew of a ship at the same time. While your ship currently does not have the missile supply to actually use Heal Bombs, you know that the Rebels do not have access to them either.
These abilities only work during the Scrapping Cycle, but you may only use one at a time.
It's your mission to defeat the enemies out to destroy you so you and your allies can escape to the Federation Base. You'll be able to escape once you achieve an even battlefield with all opposing forces, or nothing can stop the same.
tldr you're Federation-Aligned, QT link is above. You're a Federation Roleblocker. You can safely fakeclaim as a Rebel Odd Night Jailer, if you do not desire to claim Roleblocker.
- Inconsistent opinion: going from a Bard Paladin/Dan team to a Dorian/Dan team without clear reason. (at last non that I could follow)Because the three of you are the possible scum, we have one mislynch to just get rid of all of you, and after sitting a whole day on that I got hay fever over it.
- Contradicting standpoint: Attacking Sky over his role and defending him for his IRL circumstances at the same time.What? HOW IS THIS EVEN SCUMMY. This is accounting for all aspects of what's going on. What's scummy would be IF I WAS IGNORING ONE OF THESE.
- Role fishing: Supporting the mass claim, pushing Dan to claim but refused to claim himself.Whilst obviously on the surface this looks suspicious, if I have a possibly important role and you consider that everyone else wanted massclaim, this is not as bad from a logical standpoint as it looks. Dan probably would have been made to claim by the others anyway. :T And I still support if I was scum I would have outed with it by now because it's far more risky not to and I've already seen basically everyone else's claims so a fakeclaim couldn't be -that- hard.
because if someone Dorian/Dan are both not scumif somehow*
Maybe I'm holding back because... if Dan+Dorian actually aren't scum this could help town win at the last minute anyway???
Tell us what your role does, I am sick of you pulling this stunt. The property of your role is relevant too to our results.
I don't particularly agree with the points raised by Dorian, but your reaction and insistence of not claiming is pretty bullshit.
You are aware that we have enough mislynches to win, and the remaining players have pretty much agreed on who to lynch, you refusing to divulge information means you arent trying to even trust the other players or let us participate.
Assuming we will get to 3v1 LyLo, or even need to or want to rely on your mysterious role is also a pretty bullshit reason. Town has basically exhausted all its investigative PRS, and soon, its protective PRs too. Including myself, we currently has 4 confirmed townies, and scum is definitely just going to kill those exclusively. There's literally no reason now why would you still be insistent and not release information now. Especially since I now have a useful result that could confirm others claim of what they did.
That's either an incredibly self centred, selfish and Serela, which I don't see as likely as a scum!Serela who's worried about his role not fitting and decided to bull his way and bloat it beyond proportion.
Scumreading Serela
That's a big "if" though, I think it's highly unlikely they both won't flip scum. But, you know, if they do. If. Conq could... theoretically be scum... I guess? Like, there's no way I'd lynch him before those two, but he isn't confirmed town? It's good to not put all your eggs in one basket.
My point was simple, if you are town, you are selfish and arrogant to assume we should let you shoot thing instead of trusting us and sharing information with us so we can lynch people.Like, this is ridiculously false. This isn't remotely close to what's going on. I'm not holding anyone back. I'm not stopping anyone from making informed lynches. The only lynch this impacts at all would be a lynch on me. If you think my posts are scummy make a case on it and lynch me. Saying I'm being cagey about my role and should be lynched is IMO a questionable reason because I could have easily fakeclaimed anything an eternity ago and never drawn attention like this. :T But if you think my posts or interactions are scummy go right ahead!
MY ROLE KILLS PEOPLE OKAY GET THE FUCK OUT
Do you have any conditions to your commuting? If so, why pick to commute until now when scum is unlikely to kill you instead of such as during N2 (before Shalako's being shot) when you were townreaded by everyone just after replacing in and is a much more appealing NK target?
I'm not that concerned with what Serela has really, he's acting super wonky anyways. Reading would take too much bandwidth. <.<XD
Serela what made you think you were a likely night kill over the doc and vig?The idea was the other guys were likely doc targets (and since the mafia rb did end up dying, they couldn't stop her) and also that, whilst I didn't really think there was a high chance of me-death last night, it might happen sometime by the end of the game if we got a mislynch or two (two being probably lylo, but I'd still be the bomb that could mess up scum's lylo win)
One-shot commuter? Fits with the immunity need. Dan, you said your role was useless if you claimed it but that's not quite true, it just adds a level of WIFOM to if you get shot. What was your thought process here?
Dorian is back in the running because if he is town nnr lied to Skypal saying that no one in the rebel fleet had jailing powershoooooooooooooooo boy
Serela, DNA, and Dorian are still my prime 3 choices. Dorian is back in the running because if he is town nnr lied to Skypal saying that no one in the rebel fleet had jailing powersHonestly, I'd think it smarter to just cut that down to Serela and Dorian, because I doubt anyone's willing to throw away a mislynch on a possible Beloved.
There's also whoever Shadoweh tried to defend last night, but if the info she gave us on her ability is reliable, she might've just died last night instead.Shadoweh say us all talking about that yesterday and came in to confirm she meant she just loses her BP if she protects someone, she doesn't outright die.
To be fair what I meant by that post is that if I save someone by bodyguarding them, I lose my BP because it counts as me being shot in their place. It's stronger then a one-shot doctor but weaker then a full doctor, other then my self-protection.
It's okay I didn't even know than was a word until last year!
Because the three of you are the possible scum, we have one mislynch to just get rid of all of you, and after sitting a whole day on that I got hay fever over it.You went from ?Dorian is weird yes. But apart from the weirdness lately (and it's understandable from town weirdness) I have the least reasons to want to vote him.? (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1201151.html#msg1201151) to vote me just within three hours for no apparent reason! That's more than hay fever. Or could you show us your clearly superior Dorian case?
What? HOW IS THIS EVEN SCUMMY. This is accounting for all aspects of what's going on. What's scummy would be IF I WAS IGNORING ONE OF THESE.You ignored Bards content, so that's to you ?consider all aspects?. What you did was finding reason to suspect him then looking for excuses to ignore this suspicions.
Whilst obviously on the surface this looks suspicious, if I have a possibly important role and you consider that everyone else wanted massclaim, this is not as bad from a logical standpoint as it looks. Dan probably would have been made to claim by the others anyway. :T And I still support if I was scum I would have outed with it by now because it's far more risky not to and I've already seen basically everyone else's claims so a fakeclaim couldn't be -that- hard.Have you ever considered that his role could have been important too? That makes you standpoint at best hypocritical but not logical. And I don't think that Dan was ever in danger to get lynched or forced to claim.
...Wait what? Where does that come from?
Dorian is back in the running because if he is town nnr lied to Skypal saying that no one in the rebel fleet had jailing powers
You ignored Bards content, so that's to you ?consider all aspects?.That's not true. However, Bard had extremely little content to consider. It mostly consisted of voting Dormio, which I did factor in, as that slot turned into Dan. Shall I link you to the posts where I do that?
And I don't think that Dan was ever in danger to get lynched or forced to claim.He was tied at 3 votes with the others wagons for a good while middle of the day, and other people said they wanted his claim too. It's not like I was the only one. And, when he made a claim similar to mine, I did not protest it. This is a pretty good show that I wasn't being hypocritical; he made a vague claim like me and I went "well that's alright I guess".
Wait what? Where does that come from?SkyPal's rolepm. Sorry Dorian <.<
Then she couldnt have known if she suceeded or not when say, Patrorikku shot her.wh...
wh...Fairly certain he's raising a hypothetical... I think? Like, it LOOKS like a hypothetical.
what?
I'm... I'm confused. :C
And if he isn't well just lynch whoever quickhammered.it's not really scummy quickhammering if we're going "yeah let's just lynch him already" :V
Yeah let's stop wasting words and get to the point.
-I looked at the playerlist and went "Wait... Patorikku... DNA... scum aren't terrified of losing an NK to Shadoweh because it won't make the game last any extra days now... in fact, it'd even make things worse for me if she did. They also now would desperately need my mislynch if they were hoping to win at all, and nk'ing me would probably be like giving up unless it's someone ultra unlikely."Before that,
-I have realized that even trying to terrify the mafia into killing me can no longer work because they probably can't afford to kill me, and have lots of more obvious kills and don't have any good reasons to go for me even if I'm not at Shadoweh doc risk.
-They no longer have roleblocks to decide wasting on me for safety. (As I said before, even if I could just tempt them into wasting a roleblock on me, the shenanigans would have been worth it.) My role is useless already.
Including myself, we currently has 4 confirmed townies, and scum is definitely just going to kill those exclusively. There's literally no reason now why would you still be insistent and not release information now. Especially since I now have a useful result that could confirm others claim of what they did.And Serela blew a fuse when reading that post too, so I am pretty sure he did digest that information. Serela, what made you suddenly capable of trusting us when you have failed to do so the whole game? (And the night before that too)
That's either an incredibly self centred, selfish and Serela, which I don't see as likely as a scum!Serela who's worried about his role not fitting and decided to bull his way and bloat it beyond proportion.
Scumreading Serela
The idea was the other guys were likely doc targets (and since the mafia rb did end up dying, they couldn't stop her) and also that, whilst I didn't really think there was a high chance of me-death last night, it might happen sometime by the end of the game if we got a mislynch or two (two being probably lylo, but I'd still be the bomb that could mess up scum's lylo win)
I'd still have forced scum to NK me over someone who isn't mislynchable, but yeah, way too late to try to do anything like that.Serela, I don't believe you thought he would be a kill priority target for a second. :V I think I could have bought the rest of your explanation for not claiming (drawing roleblocks etc.) but c'mon Serela, really? Doc Vig Cop Tracker all on the table already, what mystery super powerful role were you even expecting scum to try and kill you for?
@Mod Can last remianing scum use their factional kill along with any abilities the same night?Maybe!
Day3: I guess the Shadoweh case would befit scum me, but why going out of my way to counter claim my last buddy when I think he had the better chance to work around the town roles at night, just aside from the fact that I'm apparently forgot which save claim he had.This is an interaction I overlooked though.
Seriously, it would not even be hard to get me lynched on purpose that day, just a good push against DNA after the blocked Shadoweh vote and I would have been the talk of the town.
Serela, what made you suddenly capable of trusting us when you have failed to do so the whole game?You continue to be unable to understand me z.z It has LITERALLY NOTHING TO DO WITH TRUST, and literally ONLY HAS TO DO WITH TRYING TO USE MY ROLE TO HELP TOWN.
Night2: Why did I went, ?Oh well, um ? I don't know.? instead of, ?Governor means he's scum after all, let try to lynch him again.?? Knowing that another lynch attempt would only lead into the disaster repeating itself and giving me at least a bit of busing credit when he flips somehow.Because the latter would be an incredibly strange response and also needlessly hard-bussing? o.o When someone is lynchproof the reaction is not usually "oh, so they ARE scum!"
Since the meat of your posts continue to be irrelevant I am just gonna trim it to the stuff I want to actually address.You also continue to be bad at reading because we've been talking about SkyPal's rolepm explicitly saying Town does not have access to jailer skills. This could theoretically be wrong, but is a pretty good reason to lynch Dorian over me. >_>
That really depends on how the wording goes and what lengths the mod would go to allow rolegaming. But seeing that the game has a pretty ambiguous intention anyway from the kickoff (you are encouraged to use flavor, but flavorgaming is modkill, you are given lots of weird roles that should interact with other players' and give you useful information, but to actually use roles to get a hardconfirm is prohibited), I wouldnt bank on it being useful.
Well, if you insist that information of my flip would help town to win, have it your way.
We can afford enough mislynches but I would actually feel more comfortable with it if you wouldn't assume me employing strategy that requires me to forget my brain at work around day2.
I know it's wine but I'm lost right now, so allow me to open that bottle for you.
Day2: Why exactly have I decided to bus the Roleblocker, that went mostly unnoticed so far, over the Governor, that were about to get outed on his own account?
Night2: Why did I went, ?Oh well, um ? I don't know.? instead of, ?Governor means he's scum after all, let try to lynch him again.?? Knowing that another lynch attempt would only lead into the disaster repeating itself and giving me at least a bit of busing credit when he flips somehow.
Day3: I guess the Shadoweh case would befit scum me, but why going out of my way to counter claim my last buddy when I think he had the better chance to work around the town roles at night, just aside from the fact that I'm apparently forgot which save claim he had.
Seriously, it would not even be hard to get me lynched on purpose that day, just a good push against DNA after the blocked Shadoweh vote and I would have been the talk of the town.
And finally day4: I'm the last scum and I have nothing to lose. So why do I push Serela when it get me PoE'ed the next day? Why not take it easy keep it low and try to make use of my supposed busing credit?
I know that wouldn't convince anyone but if you really have to lynch me then come up with a something that at least looks like a ?realistic? reason and not a plain insult.
I'm out for work now.
@Mod: hey can we end the night earlier once all night actions are in and all players agree? Scum can answer in his qt.Probably not, considering I'm out from my house around 12 hours a day, and have to sleep for at least 6 when I get home, which doesn't leave a lot of windows to set the cycles.
dorian to be completely honest a lot of people feel today is between me and you anywayI could actually say the same to you and since I wouldn't get around to do it tomorrow let me ask you today.
and, OBVIOUSLY I AM VERY BIASED IN THIS DISCUSSION, but it felt like you were going to be lynched, and even if it was me today it'd probably be you tomorrow
I mean, with my (town) blood on your hands and all.^^;Are you implying being involved in your lynch make me scummier or something? :S Sure, I imagine I'll have to put up with being a very possible lynch target tomorrow, but trying to lynch you today is not going to be a significant reason I'm there.
why in the WORLD would scum nightkill dan over dna, conq, or patorikku?? At this point, even if Shadoweh -didn't- stop the NK last night with a vest, it's not a huge deal for them if the kill fails to Shadoweh. It doesn't add another mislynch, and no one's PRs are super scary or whatnot. It only affects what votes are in play, which certainly isn't trivial, but.That's a good question. Well, fact is that they tried it last night, unless you have reason to think that Shadoweh is lying or that it was me protecting Patorikku who stopped the kill.
And no, a BP bodyguard that doesn't lose the west after protecting someone is in fact a BP Doc. Even I understand that much....huh? That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying she said she doesn't KNOW if... oh, that's what you meant. No, I didn't mean she said she doesn't know if the vest goes away if she's hit; I mean, if she successfully protects someone and takes a hit, therefore losing her vest, she doesn't know that it happened. That is what she's said. So, she could have been hit last night and has no vest anymore, but not be aware.
Sure, that just leads me to the question. Why was the Patorikku kill unreasonable for me as scum? Why did I try to kill the mislynch that I need so badly? And why didn't I tried to kill the confined townny that also suspects me?I'm not sure what you are supposed to be saying here? If you are scum here the most likely scenario is that your kill was stopped by Shadoweh, who can't tell if she stopped the kill or not and who she stopped it on.
Now to why I protected Patorikku. Confirmed town + no role left to mess up + can't get framed by scum idle the kill. Honestly, why should I try to guess the source of the kill when the target is so much clearer?My main problem with this is that the same logic makes him the logical doc protect and thus mostly superfluous as a jail. Blocking a kill is very nice to get us to odds,but I feel like trying to get a clear when there is most certainly only one scum left would have been the more obvious approach given the likelyhood of clearing someone outright? I mean I get the logic of false roleblock er positives but it feels convenient in an endgame where the last scum would need all the mislynches they could get.
Doc Vig Cop Tracker all on the table already, what mystery super powerful role were you even expecting scum to try and kill you for?...I dunno? <.< I mean, those roles had supposedly already run their course (although then again, scum would probably kill someone who claimed cop just in case they weren't really one-shot... that never occurred to me >.>) so I figured there was no one scum needed to kill for role reasons anymore, apart from them already being most-likely-town-and-not-scum due to those reasons
objectively dorian is worse, but with how this is going (Dorian still doing all these questions despite everyone being dead set on his lynch, etc) it really looks way more like it's dan
when dan has honestly just been coasting hard after ed3 that's not very surprising
however, don't get me wrong, that doesn't mean I think it's a waste to lynch him (if nothing else I know people aren't generally interested in the dan lynch until dorian and maybe me as well are gone, and we have the mislynches that it's fine to do dorian now, and he can still be scum so it's fine)
Everyone else may answer the question too, I don't see you guys having anything better to do at the moment anyway.^^;;I feel like this is a loaded question, but I'd most likely lynch Serela if you flipped town. I don't see dan!scum playing the game the way he did and dna's posts are a lot better than the posts that made me instascumread him as a bystander last game. Also, how about you answer the same question?
Dorian had thrown the game ...I guess being a victim of circumstances fits better than being plain incompetent. But still, I would have done anything to save Sky day3, cause hell as if I have the time and the energy to go through at least two one vs one days just to end in a unfavorable LyLo where not even all the town cred in the world would have helped me. Might as well call it a game at the start of day 4.^^;
Welcome to Faster Than Light Mafia, Captain!
You have been chosen to pilot the fearsome Rebel ship, The Elite Rebel Fighter
The Rebels are a powerful faction of revolutionaries, who aim to take down their former leaders at the Federation Base. The Rebels want to control the entire galaxy, and rid it of the alien scum that plagues its many worlds and sectors. The Federation, however, thinks that aliens deserve the same rights as humans, however. What a laugh! The Elite Fighter is equipped with some of the most high-grade weapons and systems the Rebels have in their possession, making your ship especially robust in the face of a long and arduous battle this skirmish has in store for you.
The Rebel Fleet has been chasing down a small group of Federation ships which managed to infiltrate one of their strongholds and learn the greatest weakness of the Rebels: That the Rebel Flagship is the key to the success of the Rebel Revolution. Your mission is to stop the Federation Ships from reaching their home base, where they may very well find the opportunity to destroy the all-important Rebel Flagship.
Your ship's special ability is:
Being a Fucking Badass Rebel. Your ship is too POWERFUL to need a special ability. You're just that hardcore.
You're so hardcore in fact that you can steer a fight into an extremely dangerous sector of space. However, there are only so many hardcore sectors of space you can steer a fight into before you run out. You know of the following Extremely Deadly Sectors:
-Asteroid Field: You charge headlong into an asteroid belt! All those space rocks can really ruin someone else's day. With some fancy maneuvering, you can cause another ship to get stuck in a particularly rocky part of the asteroid field, making the ship unable to properly maneuver, but preventing other ships from targeting them (Jail)
-ASB: An Anti-Ship Battery is a series of massive energy barrages that are friendly to only you, and one other ship of your choosing. While other ships scramble to avoid it, you can have a nice chat with the other ship. (1-Day Neighborize)
-Supergiant: You warp near a massive and unstable star. This thing is so bright nobody will be able to sleep! (Also they'll want to fight the fires the thing throws at everyone so often) (Mass-Nighttalk, PM before the Scrapping Cycle you intend to use it on)
You can initiate a FTL warp to one of these locations by PMing #BeABadassAt: [location] (with [Player])
You can use these abilities only during the Scrapping Cycle, except for the Supergiant which must be used during the Combat Cycle. You cannot warp to a new location during the Scrapping Cycle if you are visiting the Supergiant.
You wish to scrap the Federation ships, and thus this space combat won't stop until you've destroyed their entire force.
tldr you are a Rebel JOAT with a Jail, 1-Day Neighborize, and Mass Nighttalk. These abilities are all 1-Shot.
Welcome to Faster Than Light Mafia, Captain!
You have been chosen to pilot the impenetrable Rock ship, The Bulwark
Rockmen are some of the hardiest beings in the galaxy. They are aliens composed entirely of rocks, as their name would imply. Their tough rock bodies make them fearsome to fight in combat, as they are as tough as you would expect a living pile of boulders to be. Their preferred method of fighting is naturally by fisticuffs, and they hit like a literal sack of bricks. It's said only the Mantis are a fair match for a Rockman, and they are natural rivals.
The Federation ships have been quite aggressive in their attempts to fly through the galaxy, and have even intruded an important Rock-controlled area, and thus you have been sent to 'defend' your territory by smashing them to pieces. You don't care much for the rebels, but they share the same goal as you, as long as they stay far, far away from your worlds.
Your ship's special ability is:
Rock Plating, an augment to your ship that gives it the Rockmen's signature toughness.
Rock Plating is a very powerful defensive tool that you can use to shield your allies from devastating attacks. Your ship can take a brutal beating and still run fine thanks to your Rock Plating. For some reason, though, it tends to work best when helping your allies, and may not work at all if you're attacked directly. Your Rock Plating can only withstand one assualt, as well.
You can defend your allies by PMing ##Defend: Playername.
You can only do this during a Scrapping Cycle.
You wish to destroy the Federation ships, and thus this space combat won't stop until you've destroyed their entire force.
tldr you're a Rebel Heroic Bodyguard. You can Bodyguard others and survive a successful block one time.
(This is different from a 1-Shot BP vest as it doesn't work on yourself)