Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Hakurei Shrine~ => Help Me, Eirin! => Topic started by: MetalStudios on March 03, 2015, 03:26:44 PM
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We all know the pain of Shou's Curvy Lasers or Marisa's Giant Spark but what is your least favorite bullet type?
Personally I hate those little pellet looking ones that are common in PoFV
Due to my poor eyesight I can never see them until the very last second so it's always tense for me when I encounter them......
What about you guys?
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Huge transparent balls from TD/DDC. Because they're so bright they obscure each other.
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EoSD bubbles, glowy bullets, giant glowy balls, jellybeans...
Strangely, I'm not too bothered by lasers. Unless it's Minoriko's last spell >_>
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The medium-sized ovals or "beans", like those in Seija's midboss spell in DDC Stage 5. Their hitboxes always feel too big along the short axis (the two sides that are closer to each other).
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Bubbles, the hit box is so small...
EDIT: and curvy lasers. Those are hell.
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Aren't all bullets the worst in genral?
Small round bullets. They're smaller than your hitbox, their hitbox is 100% of a bullet, they are hard to see...
Miko's spliting up nonspells are the worst. I hate them and I always bomb third one. Second one too.
Actually, everylittle bullet suck, but those suck the most.
Knives also suck. Their hitbox is bigger than the bullet itself. Why, Sakuyaaaaa...
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Knives also suck. Their hitbox is bigger than the bullet itself. Why, Sakuyaaaaa...
They're weird. There's a glowing ball in the middle of the knife that shows the actual hitbox, while the knife itself is for show. (I don't think EoSD actually had the glowing ball, though... it's been awhile.)
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Sakuya's knife lines (her EX attacks) in PoFV. The hitboxes on those things seem larger than they should be (especially compared to the knives that come from her spells and boss summon), and I've often gotten hit by them when I thought for sure that they didn't touch my hitbox.
Also, the rice bullets after they shrink during Final Boss Kanako's second spell card in MoF (Rice Porridge in Tube "God's Rice Porridge", Forgotten Husk "Unremembered Crop", Divine Husk "Divining Crop"). Nearly as unfriendly as Sakuya's knife lines above.
And, of course, all bullets during Final Boss Sukuna's fourth spell card in DDC (Mallet "You Grow Bigger!") when not using Reimu, because it feels to me like Marisa's and Sakuya's hitboxes are actually larger than the enlarged hitbox dot shows, and I get hit whenever a bullet gets remotely close to what appears to be my hitbox.
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Either curvy lasers or arrows. I still have quite a bit of trouble actually predicting curvy lasers, which is why I hate them so much, though I've gotten better at that. Arrows just make me super nervous because I don't understand their hitbox. I always refer to them as knives 2.0 because of this. :V
It's funny though, knives aren't as nerve racking for me, I'm kinda used to their hitbox. ( excluding Sukuna's knives, augh! )
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Miko's spliting up nonspells are the worst.
I completely game overed the first time I reached Miko because those caught me off guard
I was on my last continue with only a few lives left and after getting surprised by those I just couldn't recover and lost it all at the very end......
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Almost any bullet with near 100% hitbox but especially the rice pellets and very thin lasers.
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The shiny small bullets (i.e. those present in Peta Flare, KKS and Kagerou), Jellybeans, and Rest bullets are the worst. Also, I swear the wisps in Seija's first spell are much larger than usual.
Mikobullets are not too bad for me actually, when there's an issue with them being too bright, it's usually just me being tired. And Shou's lasers may be stupid, but they at least clear out instantly (unlike the shiny big bullets that go with them).
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Knives.
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The hitboxes for the TH13 arrows were a pain to figure out.
And yeah PoFV Sakuya's EX knives have annoyingly large hitboxes.
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EoSD: knives. Never could detect those hit boxes
IN: Lasers. They are so faint that I get hit by them most of the time because I miscalculated
MoF: Most of them because it feels like every other bosses hit detection changes. Like with the Aki sisters, the ration is 1:1 but with Nitori it changes to where the hit box is actually smaller. Especially Kanako's Forgotten Husk "Unremembered Crop"
UFO: Can we count the ufo's as a bullet because they get me killed way more. But i find collecting them for lives necessary. all most be obtained :V
DDC: Beben's lasers. The angle always kills me. Seija's arrows.
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Rings of bullets. Screw rings of bullets.
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Arrows, and those small "virus" like bullets (the ones that Miko's first three non-spells feature).
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Any bullets that spawn immediately (like Orin's nonspell.) It eats my life countless time.
Arrows especially if they are in a spiral shape. It feels like pure luck dodging all that.
Super crisscrossing bullets (worst being Kaguya's Cowrie shell) Same reason as above.
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Add me to the list of people who feel uncomfortable with Sukuna's knives. It's not that their hitboxes are particularly unforgiving; I just have a hard time judging them. (I've never played EoSD, so I can only imagine how bad the knives are there...)
I also remember getting pretty annoyed when I was playing SA Stage 4 for the first time and I got to the blue amulet section. They look pretty similar to the point items that are constantly falling toward you, so it can really throw you off when you're new to the stage and you haven't figured out the bullets' patterns yet. Even now that I know the amulet fans are aimed at you, the point items can still bother me sometimes during that section.
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I also remember getting pretty annoyed when I was playing SA Stage 4 for the first time and I got to the blue amulet section. They look pretty similar to the point items that are constantly falling toward you, so it can really throw you off when you're new to the stage and you haven't figured out the bullets' patterns yet. Even now that I know the amulet fans are aimed at you, the point items can still bother me sometimes during that section.
My brother also thought amulets were point items at first. He asked "What those violet items do and why are you not collecting them?".
I also forgot about divine spirits (those huge glowy bullets Miko uses). Their hitbox is huge! They always get me on her speedy spellcard.
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My brother also thought amulets were point items at first. He asked "What those violet items do and why are you not collecting them?".
I also forgot about divine spirits (those huge glowy bullets Miko uses). Their hitbox is huge! They always get me on her speedy spellcard.
Point items fall straight down, FYI.
And why ZUN? Why were you cheap and gave Miko a spellcard that almost vomits out glowy bullets continuously?
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Bubbles, they've been the death of me in every game so far
Knives. They're the reason why I can go through Stage 4 and still have tons of lives, but have only one life for stage 6.
Those tiny white dot bullets, at least whenever they're in large quantities.
Stars from IN. Dangit Marisa!
Curvy lasers, nothing more needs to be said.
And last but not least, Non-directional Lasers and their variants, especially Marisa's from IN, and Most Valuable Vajra
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Do Medicine's slowing clouds count?
I seem to be able to tolerate everything that gets thrown at me. Even EoSD's knives. (Except for that one non-spell of Sakuya's with knife cross-stitching. Fuuuuuuuck that.)
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Guys, the arrow bullet hitbox is just the tip of the arrow. You can basically think of them as the droplet bullets but with a pointless tail.
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Technical nitpick note: Spellcard/non-card mechanics are not bullets. Noticed some people using attack patterns as example
I don't know if there is such thing as "Worst Bullet Type" as ZUN have been changing his engine over the past touhou games. It could be well that EoSD might feel difficult (or perhaps is) due to lacking hitbox and perhaps collision detection.
For me the Marisa stars are the only the "worst" types but that is because of mutual hate when you get surrounded by them and trying to dodge in despair. Could be well because of my own failure (probably is).
But yea, all bullets have sensible hitboxes, albeit some might be wonky or feel wonky but that could be a visual/psychological thing. We can't confirm.
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Do Medicine's slowing clouds count?
Don't even get me started on those things........
so much hate
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For me its probably the spinning X shaped bullets from MoF stage 4. The spin on them confuses me.
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Those extremely bright bullets Shou uses.
Everyone complains about her lasers... while her lasers are fairly difficult to read, I find those freaking bullets to be the real threat IMO...when theres a lot of them in one place, it is EXTREMELY difficult to read, IMO more than any other bullet combination in the entire series. So much that it borders on cheap IMHO...
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Stars from IN. Dangit Marisa!
Ignore the star points; you have a lot more room than it seems.
And my vote is for the musical notation bullets, whether from PCB or DDC. They just throw me off a bit, visually, as they are so nice to look at in action that BAM. At least once, every other time.
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Knives, always.
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Hm... the only ones I really can't stand are Marisa's stars. And that's just because their hitboxes are always smaller than I'm expecting, so I can never tell if I'm safe or not. I don't have a problem with knives and I actually really like Miko's glowy bullets, I just wish ZUN would use them in more interesting patterns.
What I really hate are things like Raiko's drums or Unzan's fists. Stuff like that shows up a lot in fan games. They take a large image, treat it like a bullet, and pretend like that makes the pattern interesting or unique. That's the biggest problem I had with UFO- every boss except Byakuren and Shou introduced a "new bullet type", but most of the patterns using those bullets are uninteresting.
I also remember getting pretty annoyed when I was playing SA Stage 4 for the first time and I got to the blue amulet section. They look pretty similar to the point items that are constantly falling toward you, so it can really throw you off when you're new to the stage and you haven't figured out the bullets' patterns yet. Even now that I know the amulet fans are aimed at you, the point items can still bother me sometimes during that section.
I had that problem for a long time. Actually, I still have that problem =P
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I kinda like the different bullets/objects in UFO and in the other games. Gives the bosses more character.
And I think the blue amulets matching point items in SA Stage 4 is intentional. Access me up a lot so I ignore scoring in that stage.
Re: Shou's curvy lasers; Raiko has them, too!
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To be honest, I don't find I have a particular type I dislike in general, it's only in particular circumstances where I dislike bullet types and that's when visibility is a problem. In UFO, I always had trouble seeing bullets as they pass over your options on stage 2 Kogasa's penultimate spell when using Marisa A (particularly when focused since the options form a tight glowy row in front of you). Similar problem with the glowing orange/yellow bullets on Shinmyoumaru's final when using Marisa A.
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Bubbles and Metal Fatigue bullets in EoSD - former makes Scarlet Gensokyo Lunatic par with Virtue of Wind god regarding capture difficulty.
EoSD Patchouli's Fire Bullets without hitbox patch (I don't use it) - otherwise I could manage Agni Shine High Level and Lava Cromlech rather consistently.
Rice bullets in MoF - main reason I can't play Marisa properly in that game. (Plus MoF patterns tend to be extremely clippy in general)
My theory is that the OP-ness of those bullets is channeled through Kanako's Rice Gruel - a goddess's rice porridge is OP.
The spinning tiny black stars from MoF and SA - even worse than white pellets, because psychologically speaking, pointy things generally make people nervous.
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The 1:1 white bullets have a tendency to screw me over more than I'd like and IDK the ovals/beans used by Kogasa feel smaller than they actually look but at the same time I'll die to one without being close to one. Explain that, science!
I actually don't mind knives once you figure out their hitbox they aren't that big a deal. Kunai are a different matter fuck the kunai bullets I've ran into them more than I can count because their hitboxes feel slightly different to other bullets their size.
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Curvy anything.
Anything that curves I have a problem with. I might get used to the trajectory, but I just never really get used to them.
I think I'm scared of playing UFO because of this.
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Knives and curvy lasers.
Sakuya, Benben and Raiko are a pain.
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Curvy Lazers and anything that involves animal shaped bullets (I'm looking at you, TD)
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The bubbles really throw me off.
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Curvy Lazers and anything that involves animal shaped bullets (I'm looking at you, TD)
and ISC