Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Beyond the Border~ => Rumia's Party Games => Mystia's Stored Games => Topic started by: Affinity on September 28, 2014, 08:00:30 PM
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Night of the Vampire 2
After a long period of piece and lukewarm relations between the Human Village and the SDM, the Scarlets are suddenly at it again! The lessons of the past weigh down heavily on the villagers as they deliberate among themselves. attempting to differentiate town and scum. The long night looms close, the pressure is on, etc.
Normal Rules:
0. Whatever the mod says is final. Rules are subject to change any time. Some details regarding the setup are hidden from players, making this kind of a bastard mod game.
1. Days are 48 hours long for the first two days, and 72 hours long for subsequent days. All nights are 24 hours long.
2. If no majority is reached by the end of the day, the player with the most votes is lynched. If there is a tie, the lynched person is picked randomly.
3. Town may vote to no lynch (e.g ##Vote: No Lynch) only once in the game.
4. Prods will be given if a vote has not been made in 24 hours (as a flexible measure of inactivity). Being prodded twice is grounds for modkill.
4a. If a townie gets modkilled, the day ends immediately. If scum gets modkilled, the day will continue.
5. Don't quote mod communications. Don't communicate with other people about the game except when you're allowed to do so.
6. No editing of posts.
7. No talk in the topic during twilight and night phases.
8. No bah! posts.
9. Flips, in general, will be given in full.
Special Rules:
1. N2 is the night of the full moon, when the Scarlets traditionally convert a human into a vampire Mafia Goon (no special abilities). This is the only conversion role in the game. Everyone will be notified in-topic as to whether it is successful.
2. During N2, due to the corrosive effect of the full moon, no humans are able to conduct any night actions or affect the game-state.
3. Scum have no NK on N1 and N2, in preperation for things to come. Afterwards, they must NK every night.
4. Mafia are allowed to communicate in a QT at any time during D1 and D2. On subsequent days, they may only communicate during the night.
5. Scum are guaranteed to have at least two vampires (Remillia and Flandre Scarlet)
6. Species is not an arbiter of alignment! Characters may be different from their canon counterparts.
7. Each member of the mafia may only use one action per night (this includes the NK).
8. Everyday there's an effective twilight phase, lasting between the hammer and the flip.
9. PM stuff to both me and Bard.
10. Have fun, and play for your win condition!
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Co-mod: Just
Signups (15/15):
1. Zakeri - Rikako Asakura - Vanilla Townie, lynched D1.
2. ActionDan - Hatate Himekaidou - Town Commuter Cop, killed N3
3. CF7
4. Sky_Paladin
5. Dormio - indeterminate role and alignment, killed N2
6. Dorian - Marisa Kirasame, Town Mycologist lynched' D3
7. Raikaria - Flandre Scarlet, Mafia 1-shot janitor vig, lynched D4
8. SB - Kotohime. Town JoAT, killed N5
9. O4rfish - Renko Usami, Vanilla Townie, lynched D2
10. Mitsuki
11. Shadoweh - Remillia Scarlet, Mafia Godmother, lynched D5
12. NNR/rawr
13. PX
14. Conqueror - Reisen Undonge Inaba, Lunatic Moon Rabbit, won D5
15. BT
Replacements:
1. Serela
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Useful Links:
End of Day One (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1132218.html#msg1132218)
End of Day Two (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1133011.html#msg1133011)
End of Day Three (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1134078.html#msg1134078)
End of Day Four (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1134990.html#msg1134990)
End of Day Five (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1135837.html#msg1135837)
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Role PMs are being sent out please wait a bit!
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Role PMs have been sent to all (hopefully). Tell me if you haven't received any.
It is now confirmation phase.
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You can't prove that.
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What am I doing here?
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Are you sure you want to confirm?
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I need to stop joining Touhou themed games when I have no idea who 90% of these people are.
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Maybe today, yeah
I'll slip away
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Geez, I can already tell that this is gonna be fun!^^
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FINALLY
/confirm!
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Zzzzzzzzz it's 2:30 am... Zzzzzzzzz...
/confarm
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/confirm
##This sword isn't just for show, Serela
Ah that felt good.
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here
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にっこにっこにー
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/confirm
##This sword isn't just for show, Serela
Ah that felt good.
I'm not even in the game (yet) hold your horses until someone drops off the face of the planet >:V
(that being said I totally have lots of collegework so don't just replace out because you feel like it or something >.>)
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I need a miracle to get through this game again!
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Master, I calculate an 85% probability that we will win this game.
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I confirm my existence.
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Sup.
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It is now Day One. You have until 48 hours (http://48 hours) to decide on a lynch.
With 15 people remaining, it takes 8 to lynch.
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##Vote Conq
Original scum
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##Vote Zakeri.
There's a 33% chance that he is scum.
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##Vote: Mitsuki
Just because we're not scumbuddies doesn't mean I can't get you killed.
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#Vote: Shaodweh
NO MIND CONTROL BEAMS THIS TIME.
Wow I'm actually here for RVS.
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There it stands ?Dormio ergo scum?!
##Vote: Dormio
Ufu, ufu, ufufufufufufufu ~
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##Vote: PX
I still remember.
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##Vote PX
December?
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##Vote: PX
I still remember.
And what do you remember?
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##Vote Dorian
OMGUS
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##Vote: PX
I still remember.
And what a night to remember
'Twas a cold December
Where the kids played hooky
And I
Vote Mitsuki
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##Vote Dorian
OMGUS
Ufufufufu ~
Is that a invitation?!
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##Vote: Dormio
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Ufufufufu ~
Is that a invitation?!
Certainly. Though I'm not entirely sure of what it's an invitation to yet.
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Votecount
Zakeri: CF7 (1)
Dormio: Dorian, O4rfish (2)
Dorian: Dormio (1)
Mitsuki: SB, PX (2)
Shadoweh: Raikaria (1)
PX: Mitsuki, BT (2)
Conqueror: ActionDan (1)
With 15 alive, it's 8 to lynch.
This votecount is brought you by IHNN's votecount tool.
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##vote Oarfish
I see your 'voting for omgus is scummy' and raise you an 'unexplained vote'.
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Certainly. Though I'm not entirely sure of what it's an invitation to yet.
So there is nothing particularly that you want me to suck at? That's disappointing!
If you change your mind, all you have to do is to ask. ;)
Anyway...
@Sky: You already assumed a reasone for O4rfishs vote, so what is it that troubles you about the unexplained part?
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So there is nothing particularly that you want me to suck at? That's disappointing!
If you change your mind, all you have to do is to ask. ;)
Hi, I'm asking
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Hi, I'm asking
Sorry boy, but you need to man up a bit more to handle me! Maybe you get the pleasure next time.^^
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##Vote Zakeri.
There's a 33% chance that he is scum.
Underrated post.
#Vote: Shaodweh
NO MIND CONTROL BEAMS THIS TIME.
Wow I'm actually here for RVS.
Overrated post.
##vote Oarfish
I see your 'voting for omgus is scummy' and raise you an 'unexplained vote'.
Baitrated post. 8/8
##Vote: Sky_Paladin
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So there is nothing particularly that you want me to suck at? That's disappointing!
If you change your mind, all you have to do is to ask. ;)
Suck at? Nope.
Suck? Let's discuss this in further detail during the night.
Also, happy birthday.
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##Vote: PX for always being scum, even when he isn't
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Votecount
Zakeri: CF7 (1)
Sky_Paladin: Conqueror (1)
Dormio: Dorian, O4rfish (2)
Dorian: Dormio (1)
O4rfish: Sky_Paladin (1)
Mitsuki: SB, PX (2)
Shadoweh: Raikaria (1)
PX: Mitsuki, BT, NNR (3)
Conqueror: ActionDan (1)
With 15 alive, it's 8 to lynch.
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Unvote
Vote NNR
Third on wagon, gg scum
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##Unvote PX
##Vote NekoNekoRex
Solid.
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Unvote
Vote NNR
Third on wagon, gg scum
*Slaps*
No. None of that.
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Sheeping PX.
##Unvote
##Vote NNR
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I'm glad I'm too much of a good girl to engage in Dormioish talk.
##Vote: NekoNekoRex
*Slaps*
No. None of that.
Why not? You got something against proven game theory? :V
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I'm glad I'm too much of a good girl to engage in Dormioish talk.
*cough*goodslut*cough*
Anyway, since Dorian isn't here to indulge me for the time being.
##Unvote
##Vote Raikaria
Attempting to shut down discussion without offering any alternative points of interest is indicative of scum attempting to extend the RVS.
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@People in the NNR wagon: how serious is your vote?
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@People in the NNR wagon: how serious is your vote?
If I had a vig, I wouldn't be voting him right now.
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@People in the NNR wagon: how serious is your vote?
Moderately serious. And why are you so concerned? Is NNR your scumbuddy?
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##Unvote
##Vote: CF7
ED1 associative reads pls.
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oops
##Unvote
##Vote: CF7
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If I had a vig, I wouldn't be voting him right now.
Please clarify.
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That grey theme lol.
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##Unvote
##Vote Raikaria
Attempting to shut down discussion without offering any alternative points of interest is indicative of scum attempting to extend the RVS.
No it is indicative of me just waking up and having a job interview to go to so no time to do anything meaningful but wanting to post to avoid 'where's Raikaria'. And it's not proven theory. It's just theory.
And again, like I said last game, if you follow that logic CF7 is also scum.
Speaking of CF7:
##Vote Zakeri.
There's a 33% chance that he is scum.
How does this work CF7? Where did you come up with 33%? You think there's 5 scum in a 15p game? When we know there is a convert later during Night 2?
Either your sense of game balance/humour is totally out of whack or you know something we don't.
#Unvote
#Vote: CF7
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And again, like I said last game, if you follow that logic CF7 is also scum.
So, by following that logic, i am scum, and i also vote for scum.
How does this work CF7? Where did you come up with 33%? You think there's 5 scum in a 15p game? When we know there is a convert later during Night 2?
Either your sense of game balance/humour is totally out of whack or you know something we don't.
I know something you don't. Namely my role. Also, since when random stuff people say in RVS actually matters?
P.S. This new 50 Shades of Grey with still blue top is weird. Like seriously.
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So, by following that logic, i am scum, and i also vote for scum.
I know something you don't. Namely my role. Also, since when random stuff people say in RVS actually matters?
P.S. This new 50 Shades of Grey with still blue top is weird. Like seriously.
Exactly why it is bad logic CF7.
And my vote on you was more a prod for information than anything else. No-one seems scummy to me yet so the best I can do is prod things which look interesting.
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Exactly why it is bad logic CF7.
My vote was mainly to move things along, since we're not out of RVS yet i think. Also to see some reactions from NNR and other players. Which so far was somewhat effective.
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I'm glad I'm too much of a good girl to engage in Dormioish talk.
##Vote: NekoNekoRex
Why not? You got something against proven game theory? :V
If I remember the theory correctly, then the fourth on the wagon has a even higher chance to flip scum. Especially when the wagon is made of distress and opportunism!
##Unvote
##Vote: Shadoweh
Mhmm, it seems I got the better case here. :)
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I shall proceed with the agenda until such a time as when it is no longer valid.
##Vote: ActionDan
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I'm glad I'm too much of a good girl to engage in Dormioish talk.
##Vote: NekoNekoRexWhy not? You got something against proven game theory? :V
Don't you mean 'ancient Mafia scumtells that no longer apply'? :smug:
If I had a vig, I wouldn't be voting him right now.
This makes you sound like your vote is more Blatant OMGUS then falling back on an ancient scumtell.
Also we could go in circles all day with this and I could vote Shadoweh for the same reason, especially since her vote is apparently serious.
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Votecount
ActionDan: Zakeri (1)
CF7: SB, Raikaria (2)
Sky_Paladin: Conqueror (1)
Dormio: O4rfish (1)
Raikaria: Dormio (1)
O4rfish: Sky_Paladin (1)
Shadoweh: Dorian (1)
NNR: PX, BT, CF7, Shadoweh (4)
PX: Mitsuki, BT, NNR (3)
Conqueror: ActionDan (1)
With 15 people it takes 8 to lynch.
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Raikaria
And again, like I said last game, if you follow that logic CF7 is also scum.
What did CF7 do that makes you think Dormio is favoring him over you?
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Hm... I am not sure that i like Shadoweh's
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Wait wait wait.
It wasn't supposed to be sent.
"Hm... I am not sure that i like Shadoweh's vote. I am not really sure about all that n-th person on a wagon, but somehow her i really don't like her vote. Maybe it's because it went after mine."
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I would say this is eye-searing but actually, I like it more then the blue <.<
Don't you mean 'ancient Mafia scumtells that no longer apply'? :smug:
We make fun of this but when it comes to actual lynch wagons it works more often then not. It's too early to be serious about it though. But if you think it'd be scummy for me to seriously vote me over it you can try and turn it around. do you want me baby~?
How does this work CF7? Where did you come up with 33%? You think there's 5 scum in a 15p game? When we know there is a convert later during Night 2?
Either your sense of game balance/humour is totally out of whack or you know something we don't.
He probably meant 1 in 5 or 20%. (last time there were 3 scum with 1 recruit, smug me for figuring that out despite certain Zakeris that didn't believe me). I know I missed the game with the 7 scum so it's not on my mind, but a high scum figure isn't that weird thinking back on the motks. I hope you aren't being serious about this Rairai. :V
CF7: I don't like CF7's either! That would be what I call stupid sheepy thoughts. You sound like you're literally saying you don't like my vote because it was the same as yours. Do you think your vote was bad? (Really it sounds like you're letting the silly nth wagon conversation guide your thoughts despite not being sure about it.)
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Do you think your vote was bad?
Sort of. I am concenrned about, that NNR hasn't reacted to it.
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Sky Paladin, it seems very unlike you to ignore direct questions asked of you.
Re: Dorian;
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I keep reading Zak's name as Bastard Zakeri.
##Unvote
##Vote: Shadoweh
Her last post has a lot of /words/ but it doesn't look like there are any real opinions forming there and that's kind of weird. I would joke about this being ED1 strong but 48 hour day phases are a thing.
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What, I'm not allowed to want somebody dead before the game begins?
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@Shawoeh: It's too early to be serious about it? I do rather say it's too late to joke around!
It's also kinda cheap to say that ?it? works but not to tell us how it works in this case. So, what has Neko done that's so scummy that doesn't applies to CF7 as well or to a even higher degree to yourself?
I think that I'm happy with where my vote is right now.^^
What, I'm not allowed to want somebody dead before the game begins?
Is that so? Could you explain that a bit more?
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What, I'm not allowed to want somebody dead before the game begins?
Rekt. But for real, policy lynches are pretty lame. Although NNR's responses really aren't too inspiring. Might consider voting.
Thread isn't really too inspiring in general but it's not much more than what I'd expect at this point in the game. D1 sucks, 48 D1s suck more.
Sky probably missed Dorian's question so he should answer it when he next posts.
##Unvote
##Vote: Mitsuki
Was tempted to firebomb a lurker here since they would be prime suspects for scum recruiter but I'll start here. What made you think the vote was serious when the reasons were literally "third on wagon, sheep, m2, etc."?
SB Dorian CF7 are my DAY ONE STRONK town reads.
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I don't see why I should move my vote off of Raikaria, so I won't.
As mentioned in #47 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131602.html#msg1131602), Raikaria was attempting to shut down discussion and therefore extend the RVS. This is a move that benefits scum much more than town and therefore makes Raikaria more likely to be a member of the scum team.
Raikaria's next post (#55 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131643.html#msg1131643)) is unimpressive to put it lightly.
Raikaria, again, attempts to stop discussion. However, this time, he does provide something else which is nice.
Too bad that something else is terrible.
Raikaria makes up a completely bullshit excuse to vote for CF7 before disappearing again.
It's almost like Raikaria is active lurking in order to avoid drawing attention to the fact that he's doing literally nothing.
Oh wait.
No it is indicative of me just waking up and having a job interview to go to so no time to do anything meaningful but wanting to post to avoid 'where's Raikaria'.
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I think I'm supposed to do that thing where I look at other points of interest like NNR but there isn't really all that much to look at I guess?
I'll just second Conqadour in saying that his latest post doesn't really impress me at all.
Also, PX has done nothing so far which I don't really like but I don't get why some people are using this to vote PX as opposed to the like 8 other people who have also done nothing.
And then I notice that NNR is also one of the people voting PX and it makes me want to make the statement that I would have no qualms switching to NNR right now but feel like voting for Raikaria still.
So I have no qualms switching to NNR but I want to keep my vote on Raikaria for the time being.
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SB Dorian | CF7
That's where I draw the line
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##Unvote NekoNekoRex
##Vote Shadoweh
I don't really feel one way or another about NNR. Backing up SB in that Shadoweh's #66 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131749.html#msg1131749) is weak; the CF7 line in particular doesn't read like an honest suspicion when it's somewhere between critic and reasoning it out for him? What's actually bad about what CF7 did? I also can't really find the motivation for her NNR vote.
The other thing that jumps out is Sky's latest post because it's a really convoluted thing to press. Like, is that really what caught your attention?
Yo Dormio, Raikaria does that literally all the time. Last game he did it without having a concrete direction but this time he was pretty transparent about pressing CF7 arbitrarily, so he's probably not scum this time? Meh, mostly pointing this out in case you don't know how meta that argument is on Rai.
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Is that so?
Maybe I would care if I didn't give a fuck about meta most of the time.
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Votecount (co-mod edition)
ActionDan: Zakeri (1)
CF7: Raikaria (1)
Sky_Paladin: (0)
Dormio: O4rfish (1)
Raikaria: Dormio (1)
O4rfish: Sky_Paladin (1)
Shadoweh: Dorian, SB, BT (3)
NNR: PX, CF7, Shadoweh (3)
PX: Mitsuki, NNR (2)
Conqueror: ActionDan (1)
Mitsuki: Conqueror (1)
With 15 people it takes 8 to lynch.
I made a countdown to End of Day (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141001T200801&p0=%3A&msg=End+of+Day+1). It might be useful. (Less than 24 hours remain!)
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Conq, why do you think the recruiter is in the lurkers specifically, and why do you think it's tied to a role? Wouldn't it be a factional thing because of swing reasons if it died before Night 2?
I'm neutral towards Raikaria and NNR atm. Raikaria's posts just read as Raikaria posts rather than anything alignment indicative, and NNR is just kind of inactive but going after inactivity in a 48 hour D1 kind of impossible and I'm not sure why people seem to have paid him more attention in the last few posts?
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ActionDan: Zakeri (1)
Initiating Ocular Ducts
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I keep thinking Dan is Schezo wtf.
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@Shadoweh: is your PX vote serious or not?
Moderately serious. And why are you so concerned? Is NNR your scumbuddy?
Yes
(I'll actually explain why I asked when Shadoweh answers)
Was tempted to firebomb a lurker here since they would be prime suspects for scum recruiter but I'll start here. What made you think the vote was serious when the reasons were literally "third on wagon, sheep, m2, etc."?
Gut mostly, altough I couldn't tell so I asked. But people are saying they were serious about it so lol
(Obviously I didn't think BT's vote was serious, but I didn't know about the others)
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Conq, why do you think the recruiter is in the lurkers specifically, and why do you think it's tied to a role? Wouldn't it be a factional thing because of swing reasons if it died before Night 2?
Ve: second point is because it was that way in NotV the original. First point is sorta gut plus my logic that follows when assuming the second, since mafia wants to get the recruit out. Although it's true he could have changed the mechanic.
I see where the votes on Shadoweh are coming from but I don't know if I think she's scum. My NNR point from before is probably best summarized the way BT put it. I don't know how I actually feel about lynching NNR, but I would like him to not post passive aggressively.
Meh, I'll see how Mitsuki and Shadoweh follow up.
##Unvote
##Vote Zakeri
Refuge in audacity. No one is buying your policy lynch on Dan, and the way you're pushing it doesn't give me good vibes. What do you think of the other stuff going on?
While we're at it I'd like Dan to mention who his scum reads are. From Dan's past scum games it seems he has trouble bullshitting scum opinions on people and so I want to know where he stands atm. Especially since he's voting me. :V
I have mild gut on Dormio from how he's approaching his Raikaria case but it's nothing I can actually quantify. It'll become clearer over time I anyway, I think.
Bard that votecount is a travesty.
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I meant to type *Re: not Ve. Words are hard.
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I did miss Dorian's question.
Dorian
@Sky: You already assumed a reasone for O4rfishs vote, so what is it that troubles you about the unexplained part?
A few games back, Dormio pegged CF7 (correctly) as scum: Dormio voted for himself, and CF7 policy voted him for it. Then Dormio asked if the vote was serious or not, CF7 said semi-serious or something and Dormio made a case on it. I've seen Mitsuki ask people if their votes are serious twice, which if I hadn't seen Dormio do it successfully before, I would be suspicious of.
This game we had Dormio OMGUS on to you (Dorian) and Oarfish voted without an explanation. The explanation is 'obvious' because Dormio hung a lampshade on it. So I thought that Oarfish's vote was not really a random vote, and his vote was therefore a slightly-serious vote.
I had also considered voting for NNR because he hadn't made any comment after I tried to dayvig Serela and I thought this lack of regard for your common townsperson was scummy. Then I discovered Serela wasn't playing so I decided it was null.
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Bard that votecount is a travesty.
Any errors are completely to blame on Affinity's last votecount, as I just copied that and recorded the events from that point onward.
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PX
What, I'm not allowed to want somebody dead before the game begins?
I know (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131275.html#msg1131275), right?
BT
The other thing that jumps out is Sky's latest post because it's a really convoluted thing to press. Like, is that really what caught your attention?
There were a couple of things but I am trying hard not to shitpost this game, so I'm only focusing on stuff that really stands out. Raikaria picking on CF7 for an arbitrary number stands out.
I personally assumed CF7's comment was because Zak said something like, "blah blah blah master" which suggests he's flavor-dropping some character. I can't actually think off hand what character would say blah blah percent and master in the same sentence, and the vampire girls would never refer to each other as master at any point anyway. Maybe CF7 could think of three candidates and one of them is in the SDM.
IIRC there was a vampire in old Gensokyo, but I can't remember her name (was it Elis?) that may have had a maid or something, but I think it's more likely Zak was just crumbing some other character not related to a vampire. I'm sure this:
"Initiating Ocular Ducts"
has some meaning to somebody but I can't think of it.
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Conq
Was tempted to firebomb a lurker here since they would be prime suspects for scum recruiter but I'll start here.
SB
Conq, why do you think the recruiter is in the lurkers specifically, and why do you think it's tied to a role?
I'm think the normal way to interpret Conqueror's sentence is, "The people that the recruiter will want to target" not "the recruiter is a lurker."
Mmmm~ Ok yeah. Maybe I'm splitting fish here but I feel like SB's response is a little too odd.
##unvote
##Vote SB
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Dammit, I'm sorry, it took up the whole screen again.
I'll do better next time.
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I'm think the normal way to interpret Conqueror's sentence is, "The people that the recruiter will want to target" not "the recruiter is a lurker."
Very much the second meaning. >_> I'm actually not sure how you interpreted as the first. I'm not sure why you think SB is scummy for interpreting it that way either?
"Ocular Ducts" --> "Tear Ducts" --> Zak crais evry tiem he sees he's the only one on the Dan wagon. It's probably tongue in cheek but still it seems a bit forced, even if Zak did say in last game's graveyard that he would push for a Dan policy lynch D1 forever.
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Hmph!
Zakeri: Conqueror (1)
ActionDan: Zakeri (1)
CF7: Raikaria (1)
Sky_Paladin: (0)
Dormio: O4rfish (1)
Raikaria: Dormio (1)
SB: Sky_Paladin (1)
Shadoweh: Dorian, SB, BT (3)
NNR: PX, CF7, Shadoweh (3)
PX: Mitsuki, NNR (2)
Conqueror: ActionDan (1)
With 15 people it takes 8 to lynch.
Bard made a countdown to End of Day (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141001T200801&p0=%3A&msg=End+of+Day+1). It might be useful. (Less than 24 hours remain!)
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@Dormio: I think the problem with the Raikaria case is, that Reply #44 was his way to voice his distaste for PX reason to vote and to call it an attempt to shut down discussion is quite a stretch.
The rest is, lack of presence, which can be said about a lot of player in this game and active lurking, which I also don't really see.
And when I look at the votes then it seems I'm not the only one that thinks that way.
I'm also not really interested in a Neko lynch! It may just be me but the way his wagon formed still raise my hackles, so I need a good reason to vote here.
I would rather lynch PX right now but that would be more out of constraint than I think he's scum. There is also the line that sill puzzles me, maybe his answer will help here.
@Sky: So far so good but even as I came to the same interpretation as you about Conqs recruiter line, at last as I read it the first time, am I still not sure what makes SB scum here.
By the way, I think Conq is right about the recruiter being a specific role, cause I have reason to think it's Remilia.
PS: Isn't it quite an exciting enigma? It's still foggy right now but I'm sure everything will fall into place in due time. :)
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Refuge in audacity. No one is buying your policy lynch on Dan, and the way you're pushing it doesn't give me good vibes. What do you think of the other stuff going on?
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Conq
Very much the second meaning. >_> I'm actually not sure how you interpreted as the first. I'm not sure why you think SB is scummy for interpreting it that way either?
Because I thought that reading it the second way was the unnatural way to read it, and I figured the reason somebody would read it wrong is because they have knowledge of how the scum team works. You say it's the other way around though so @__@
Dorian
By the way, I think Conq is right about the recruiter being a specific role, cause I have reason to think it's Remilia.
Really? Why do you say this?
1. N2 is the night of the full moon, when the Scarlets traditionally convert a human into a vampire Mafia Goon (no special abilities). This is the only conversion role in the game. Everyone will be notified in-topic as to whether it is successful.
Use of 'Scarlets' as opposed to a specific flavor presented indicates to me that this is likely a factional ability.
Also this uh
5. Scum are guaranteed to have at least two vampires (Remillia and Flandre Scarlet)
6. Species is not an arbiter of alignment! Characters may be different from their canon counterparts.
Makes no sense to me. As far as I am aware, we have 'vampire' and 'not-vampire'. In the very likely scenario where we have multiple youkai characters, we're still going after the vampires? Right? RIGHT?
Zakeri
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The phase is only on for another 17 hours. I think I am reading it right this time: 'votepark til phase end then consolidate onto a popular wagon'.
##unvote
##vote Zakeri
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Reasons I'm voting NNR
1) I don't like him
2) His smug attitude and tendency to piss off everybody lots of people will pretty much result in him being a giant distraction, so him gone would probably be helpful for town in the long run
3) His posts so far have failed to impress. Woooooooooo
4) Basically, he's gonna be like UK from the last NotV. Except he's not good enough for the scum to consider recruiting.
5) I'd rather see him dead than argue with him
So yeah, don't really see a reason to keep off him
The recruiter is probably tied to a role, because that's how it was last game. Don't really see how that logic is wrong
Mitsuki keeps me very weary though, she's just very passively waiting for a response for Shadoweh. And that's just about it
I would be more weary of Zakeri but..... Where the hell is ActionDan? :\
Dormio's case on Raikaria is unimpressive. Not willing to move to Raikaria when NNR is still here.
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Guess I better get some scumreads.
I can predict who I'll scumread though.
Dormio / Skypal / BT
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I'm bored with Raikaria right now since the guy isn't really saying anything.
So instead I'll look at this:
Reasons I'm voting NNR
1) I don't like him
2) His smug attitude and tendency to piss off everybody lots of people will pretty much result in him being a giant distraction, so him gone would probably be helpful for town in the long run
3) His posts so far have failed to impress. Woooooooooo
4) Basically, he's gonna be like UK from the last NotV. Except he's not good enough for the scum to consider recruiting.
5) I'd rather see him dead than argue with him
So yeah, don't really see a reason to keep off him
10/10 case would sheep.
##Unvote
##Vote PX
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Stuff happened, I'm awake now. So I'm gonna do stuff Dormio.
Why does everything happen w3hen I am A: Busy or B: Asleep?
Reasons I'm voting NNR
1) I don't like him
2) His smug attitude and tendency to piss off everybody lots of people will pretty much result in him being a giant distraction, so him gone would probably be helpful for town in the long run
3) His posts so far have failed to impress. Woooooooooo
4) Basically, he's gonna be like UK from the last NotV. Except he's not good enough for the scum to consider recruiting.
5) I'd rather see him dead than argue with him
So yeah, don't really see a reason to keep off him
Bolded are all awful reasons which have no place in mafia. And the unbolded reason honestly applies to a lot of people. Which also includes me I guess, hopefully no longer with this post.
I would have voted you for it but the second part of your post actually does show you are looking for scum elsewhere too.
@ Sky:
We know Scum has Remilia and Flandre. According to CF7; there are 5 scum players. I'll assume everyone in the game is based off of a Touhou character because I am and we know Remi/Flan are in the game and say we can't have 5 Vampires. Touhou has 3 [Kurumi] and 1 unconfirmed [Elis]. I would be more inclined to be of the opinion that if there are indeed 5 members of the scumteam like CF7 claims, it is the 5 primary members of the SDM. [Remi; Flan; Patchouli; Sakuya; Meiling].
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Oh you mean at the deadline? And you're not gonna scumhunt but just sheep? I agree with Sky here.
#Unvote
#Vote: Zakeri
Nothing else really stands out at me as important enough to drag out again. I do have a couple of townreads and scumreads forming now [chief among these being Zakeri]
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I think I've gotten spoiled by day phases that last longer then our games. >_>
I seriously hope Mitsuki hasn't been waiting this entire time for me to respond because I'm not voting PX and missed the question completely before. I wouldn't have seen it if other posts hadn't been referencing something I had no idea about. :V
@Shawoeh: It's too early to be serious about it? I do rather say it's too late to joke around!
It's also kinda cheap to say that ?it? works but not to tell us how it works in this case. So, what has Neko done that's so scummy that doesn't applies to CF7 as well or to a even higher degree to yourself?
I think this is getting lost in translation. You only actually do wagon analysis on finished wagons at the end of a day, not random unfinished wagons in the beginning. I was trying to bug Neko into a response but it looks like he's afk or something, which isn't half as fun. Why Neko and not CF7 is a shitty comparison though considering I was clearly questioning CF7 about what he was doing. And nothing I do is anything but magic.
Also, CF7 barely responded to say his vote was bad. <_< It doesn't look like he's been -around- after that either. Still someone I would prefer a wagon on at this point. (I looked down at the post before this one and 'Zakeri said a thing that implies he'll lurk till deadline' sounds kind of reactive. And holy shit I skimmed PX's case but somehow didn't pick up that 4/5 points aren't about mafia. Neko's barely posted enough to be bugging nevermind deserving of that, knock it off.)
PX is at least right about how the recruiter worked. I wouldn't be surprised if who has what powers was mixed up this game just to throw off guessing though. Please stop talking about 5 scum Raikaria, that's not even slightly a possibility.
##Unvote
##Vote: CF7
I'm not honestly hot on a PX lynch, even if policy sucks he's stating his opinions on others on the off-side. Looking at how spread out the votes are I'm just going to state now that I'm Sanae and hooman. Also that if there aren't any VT's this time that my mafia life is a joke at my expense.
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48-hour D1s are the worst thing ever.
Shadoweh, I asked about NNR's vote, but I wrote PX instead for some reason.
I saw nothing scummy with PX's NNR vote (I disagreed with him, but it looks null to me) and BT's vote was obviously a joke. The votes I found somehow weird were Shadoweh's and (specially) CF7's. I found it quite hypocritical that they'd vote someone for being 3rd on the wagon on RVS and make themselves 3rd and 4th in the wagon at the same time, and while it'd be ok if it was a joke their votes didn't feel like jokes. I asked generally so as to have as little influence in their reply as I could.
CF7's vote read as scummy to me, it looked like he was looking for an excuse to vote someone and that's why he placed his NNR vote. His reply to my question (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131616.html#msg1131616) felt scummy as well, it looks like he's concerned about my questioning and trying to discredit my reasoning by saying that I'm scum with no basis.
##Unvote
##Vote:CF7
I'm guessing Shadoweh's vote wasn't serious after all given her recent post, and her posts don't read as scummy.
The only other person I'd lynch other than CF7 is Oarfish. It's more of a lurker lynch but the only thing he's done is asking for clarification here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131639.html#msg1131639), and he's done nothing with PX's reply or anything else from then in spite of posting on MotK after that.
CF7 >>> Oarfish
I'll reread stuff when I get back, but nothing else stuck as scummy.
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Affinity being all, "I'mma post like I made the countdown!"
Zakeri: Conqueror, Sky_Pal, Raikaria (3)
ActionDan: Zakeri (1)
CF7: Shadoweh, Mitsuki (2)
Dormio: O4rfish (1)
Shadoweh: Dorian, SB, BT (3)
NNR: PX, CF7 (2)
PX: NNR, Dormio (2)
Conqueror: ActionDan (1)
With 15 people it takes 8 to lynch.
TICK TOCK, 9 hours remain! (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141001T200801&p0=%3A&msg=End+of+Day+1)
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I must be awake, because nothing is happening.
However I do feel the need to poke something:
##Unvote
##Vote: Shadoweh
Her last post has a lot of /words/ but it doesn't look like there are any real opinions forming there and that's kind of weird. I would joke about this being ED1 strong but 48 hour day phases are a thing.
So you're voting Shadoweh for posting words, but not giving solid opinions? This I can buy somewhat... but voting someone for /words/ isn't exactly a good vote reason.
##Unvote NekoNekoRex
##Vote Shadoweh
I don't really feel one way or another about NNR. Backing up SB in that Shadoweh's #66 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131749.html#msg1131749) is weak; the CF7 line in particular doesn't read like an honest suspicion when it's somewhere between critic and reasoning it out for him? What's actually bad about what CF7 did? I also can't really find the motivation for her NNR vote.
The other thing that jumps out is Sky's latest post because it's a really convoluted thing to press. Like, is that really what caught your attention?
Yo Dormio, Raikaria does that literally all the time. Last game he did it without having a concrete direction but this time he was pretty transparent about pressing CF7 arbitrarily, so he's probably not scum this time? Meh, mostly pointing this out in case you don't know how meta that argument is on Rai.
OK; why are you voting Shadoweh then? You vote her and then talk about other people.
If I remember the theory correctly, then the fourth on the wagon has a even higher chance to flip scum. Especially when the wagon is made of distress and opportunism!
##Unvote
##Vote: Shadoweh
Mhmm, it seems I got the better case here. :)
And no, this isn't a case.
The three votes on Shadoweh range from shakey [SB] to unexplained [BT] to outright bad. [Dorian]. I don't like this being of the primary wagons for this reason. SB's Shadoweh vote is the best of the three and I can let slide but Dorian and especially BT [For those of you who subscribe to the school of thought about the third on the wagon... he voted Shadoweh with 0 explanation. Not even 'I agree with SB' or anything.]
Honestly I'm happy to vote BT for his Shadoweh vote because it's that bad, but I'd rather keep my vote on Zakeri for the time being for his self-admitted lurking.
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Oh wait BT did say he agrees with SB. But it's a short mention blended in with talking about NNR.
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So my opinion on BT is not 'this vote is godawful I want to lynch him as well as Zakeri' now after I noticed that. I still don't like his Shadoweh vote because it seems mostly to be sheeping SB but it's not awful, and to be fair, there ain't a lot to go on.
I still think the Zakeri wagon is 8x better than the Shadoweh one.
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No more posts after mine with so little time left kill my motivation. cut by Raikaria
I won't be here for the deadline, most likely. Neither Sadoweh nor Zakeri seem scummy (yes at least I ISOd them), but I'll switch my vote for consolidation purposes before leaving if needed.
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I'm going to be away for phase end.
Really unhappy with Oarfish/NNR/Zakeri/Dan for lack of content or engaging other players. Dan posting reads without explanation is no content IMO.
Sticking with my Zak vote because he is policy voting Dan but playing as if he was Dan. Hypocrisy!
Note phase will end with majority lynch if there's no hammer anyway so I don't feel any urge to stay up and consolidate.
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Hm... Interesting.
Okay, i'll bite.
@ Shadoweh.
So, what's the basis of your vote? I wasn't around, because i was busy (also D1 is stupid anyway, but that's beyond the point). And that's pretty much all your reasoning.
@ Mitsuki.
His reply to my question (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131616.html#msg1131616) felt scummy as well, it looks like he's concerned about my questioning and trying to discredit my reasoning by saying that I'm scum with no basis.
Why bring this up now? Why didn't you ask that, when i answered your question? Considering how defensive your response to the lighthearted question about you being scum is, you don't really win townie points for this.
Also you are quite strongly accuse me of being scummy and want to lynch me. Yet in your latest post you are willing to switch to someone else "for consolidation purposes". Which is not really a good reason to abandon your strongest scum read, instead of pushing for said read lynch, to be honest. All in all your general behavior does not look town to me.
##Unvote
##Vote Mitsuki
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CF7, I'm saying I'd swith because there's a tie between Shadoweh and Zakeri and I want someone lynched at least.
Also I didn't post before because I wanted to see Shadoweh's answer, as I already stated in my posts.
What I said before about CF7 applies to that last post as well.
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Well, sigh.
##Unvote
##Vote: Zakeri
I'd rather have lynched someone who's been lurking.
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in spite of posting on MotK after that.
Please stop that
Also won't be here at deadline. Also, mobile still switches to the old blue theme lol
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Also, current wagons are not appealing to me. Like at all. Shadoweh is likely town. Not so sure about Zakeri, i won't lynch him either.
CF7, I'm saying I'd swith because there's a tie between Shadoweh and Zakeri and I want someone lynched at least.
Well, w/e. I am not suicidal enough to try to convince you that lynching me, who you find scummy is better, than any of the current wagons.
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I am not the lurker you are looking for.
If that helps.
Not really seeing Zakeri being scum for lurking, since this is a thing he does occasionally.
Though it seems like the main wagons today are Zak/Shadoweh. So I guess I'll look into those first
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CF7, I'm saying I'd swith because there's a tie between Shadoweh and Zakeri and I want someone lynched at least.
Also I didn't post before because I wanted to see Shadoweh's answer, as I already stated in my posts.
What I said before about CF7 applies to that last post as well.
But everybody clearly saw your post had a mistake and didn't make sense. You didn't even bother making the 10 second correction. Srsly?
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Also the Shadoweh Wagon is dumb
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Only real reason I'm pushing Zak over others is because I think he's the best lead I have right now, and it's not like Zak only lurks as town. Plus if he wanted to push on policy/lurking there are multiple blatant offenders this game so I have to wonder how sincere he is. I don't particularly follow the CF7 case. Not really convinced about Shadoweh either.
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Reminder that there are only 4 hours left till deadline? Yeah, unless I want to start a flashwagon on someone else I think this is where I want to vote atm. NNR went completely AWOL and PX is a middling read for me.
I won't be around for deadline, so it's a good thing majority lynch is a thing.
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@Sky: I said this, because it clears things for player like you who don't remember the first game! For an instance, rule 5. and 6. make a lot of sense when you think that scum had two vampires and one not-vampire in their team back then. You see what I mean?
Now back to the matter at hand, Shadoweh isn't a thing anymore, she crumbed Sanae all game and I don't think scum would limiting their claim options that early. Therefore ?
##Unvote
So, where to go now? I'm not actually too hyped about a Zakeri lynch, his refusal to play till a half hour before deadline strikes me as too bold for scum. But I really dislike his vote, Dan is surprisingly active, at least for his standards, and his posts feels kinda town (here you got your ?motherfucking miracle? Shadoweh :)). So I got nothing to object his lynch.
PX on the other hand seems to be an alternative. His policy lynch is silly at best and his opinions are not actually telling either, ?failed to impress? kinda fits it. So I would more likely end up voting him than Zakeri.
But if I have to pick a lurker right now then it would be BT, his vote pattern so far strikes me as the opportunistic coasting that I expect from lurk scum. And therefore ?
##Vote: BT
PS: Sorry for being late, I'll make up for it by staying around till deadline, ze.^^
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Told at Sunset
Zakeri: Conqueror, Sky_Pal, Raikaria, Mitsuki (4)
ActionDan: Zakeri (1)
CF7: Shadoweh (1)
Dormio: O4rfish (1)
Shadoweh: SB, BT (2)
NNR: PX (1)
PX: NNR, Dormio (2)
Conqueror: ActionDan (1)
Mitsuki: CF7 (1)
BT: Dorian (1)
With 15 people it takes 8 to lynch.
3 hours left (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141001T200801&p0=%3A&msg=End+of+Day+1)
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Sort of. I am concenrned about, that NNR hasn't reacted to it.
if I reacted to every vote on me forever then I would just be lynched for it since that's what happens every game anyway.
Unless you mean the 3rd Vote thing, for which I am bad at counting and thought Shadoweh was the 3rd vote.
Wait holy shit there's 3 hours? How did I mi- oh 48 hour days. Fuck
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Zakeri's iso is surprisingly easy to read. Um. More or less totally null.
Ok then!
forwards
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Not sure if I can still do this but I'm going to advocate a lynch on PX for pretty much blatantly voting me based on my playstyle/personality and not because he thinks I am actually scum.
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I did miss Dorian's question.
This game we had Dormio OMGUS on to you (Dorian) and Oarfish voted without an explanation. The explanation is 'obvious' because Dormio hung a lampshade on it. So I thought that Oarfish's vote was not really a random vote, and his vote was therefore a slightly-serious vote.
Sometimes an RVS vote can be an RVS vote without baggage if that baggage is not mentioned. This doesn't answer the question of why you'd vote someone (why it's scummy) for not including an explanation for their vote. None is required if it's RVS, and if it isn't the explanation according to you is implicit.
I'll note that the first paragraph is completely irrelevant.
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Reasons I'm voting NNR
1) I don't like him
2) His smug attitude and tendency to piss off everybody lots of people will pretty much result in him being a giant distraction, so him gone would probably be helpful for town in the long run
3) His posts so far have failed to impress. Woooooooooo
4) Basically, he's gonna be like UK from the last NotV. Except he's not good enough for the scum to consider recruiting.
5) I'd rather see him dead than argue with him
So yeah, don't really see a reason to keep off him
Like, this is actually a little insulting to me. 4/5 reasons are not based on the game itself, making his vote just a grudgevote on me, and even worse a votepark because he has no actual, real case to make a vote on me worthwhile.
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I'd say that's cause enough.
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So far PX has had one content post (the bit after declaring his vote a grudgevote) and otherwise has been pretty much active lurking. He's had almost nothing to say about scumreads and has otherwise just been complaining about me / someone's post error / Shadoweh's wagon without giving a reason.
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I'm kind of wary of Skypal atm because there's none of the usual insane energy in his posts and the best scumread he put out was basically on Zak for not doing anything? It's not that I disagree with it, but calling out inactivity/lack of opinions when you have none yourself doesn't really sit right with me?
Raikaria, your defense of Shadoweh is baffling and it looks like you've barely read the votes. The fact that she's posting /words/ obviously isn't damning on it's own but when there's no content behind the words it's pretty bad. The reasoning for BT's vote is like... right there. He literally said that he was backing up my point. Also the numbers spec is stupid because anything more than 3 scum with a recruit is horribly imba, and this isn't even helping to catch scum anyway.
I'm still down with a Shadoweh lynch because her CF7 vote doesn't make any sense to me at all? All I can draw from it is that he looks inactive so he should die? She also kind of skips around addressing Zak and only really gives out a null read on PX which is really shitty contentwise. Dorian, why does crumbing flavour make you town exactly? Scum probably have flavour fakeclaims to work with anyway so that we don't break the game via flavourclaim, so.
The Zak wagon kind of sucks, it feels like he's just being pushed as the designated lurker lynch and people are just jumping on it as an easy suspicion? I don't think he's town by any means but the votes on him are kind of awful.
And is there a way to change themes back? Everything feels way too big now and it's screwing with me.
Dunno if we'll get one but ##Vote: Extension because 48 hour Day 1s should never be a thing.
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Lurkers can be scum. :V
I'll agree that I don't really like my company on the wagon but it's hard to post anything substantial on someone who is deliberately lurking it out.
Scum probably have flavour fakeclaims on the grounds that that's how it worked last game. At least, the vampires should.
Agree that Shadoweh's content is pretty lacking, but I don't know. :V
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##Unvote
##Vote: PX
Yolo?
If people are wary about voting Zak for not posting, PX is posting while pretty much also pushing a policy lynch.
I'm going to be leaving really really soon though.
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Sheeping BT but I don't really like Shadoweh's content so far, her posts are full of words but lack content. I don't really understand the CF7 vote but it looks like just a vote for inactivity?
A lot of these posts are pretty wordy so it's a bit hard to get through all of them.
I like Dorian's content so far. His posts make me reconsider some of my other reads skimming through, like Dormio, which makes me feel like he's doing town posting.
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They can be scum, yeah, but it's not even 48 hours into the game so far so I'd find attacking anyone for lurking kind of questionable at this stage.
Conq, what do you think of Sky? And what makes you unsure about Shadoweh?
I'm neutral on PX. The policy lynch shit isn't good by any means and needs to stop but I don't think he'd rely this much on refuge in audacity as scum? If people have meta here pls tell me.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Skypal
I'd vote PX too. I guess. I'll be around.
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dan pls explain
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pls specify
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So, who is still around and which alternatives do we have to Zakeri? Cause it's kinda worries me that we get a lynch decided by a minority (not even a 1/3 of the player)!^^;
@SB: It doesn't makes her town but it needlessly limits her claim options, which makes me doubt that she's scum. And if her CF7 vote doesn't makes sense to you from a town perspective, I guess, then how much sense does it make from a scum perspective?
Geez, all I want is a wagon I can happily analyze tomorrow, not another day one caused by a ?minority lurker lynch?.^^; So in that case ?
##Unvote
##Vote: PX
That's what I get to try to push a last minute gut read.^^;;
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Conq, what do you think of Sky? And what makes you unsure about Shadoweh?
I'm neutral on PX. The policy lynch shit isn't good by any means and needs to stop but I don't think he'd rely this much on refuge in audacity as scum? If people have meta here pls tell me.
Never actually read Sky scum before so I have no point of comparison, but my impression of this game is that he isn't trying very hard. I don't know if that translates to him being scum or burnt-out town.
Shadoweh is more because in the last I've actively read Shadoweh!scum as scum when so far her posting is pretty neutral for me. :V
I haven't played with PX for ages so my only meta is really old. I don't have time to compare Utena Mafia with his scum games right now.
The problem with attacking people for attacking people who don't post content is that it's circular and you can just cut off the cancer at its root.
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Sky not trying hard enough is not alignment indicative when he wants to self-limit his posts and their length.
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@Dan, Explain your Sky read.
@Dorian, it's pretty easy to plug in flavour to a character claim, and the vote makes more sense from scum imo because I would expect her to have stronger opinions. It looks like she's dodging around the main talking points of the day and just pushing a terrible case that I can barely understand.
@Conq, I don't need super in depth meta or anything, I just want to know if PX would rely on refuge in audacity if he was scum or not?
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well with Sky's iso limited to a few posts I have seized upon something that feels like a scumposting.
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What about it seems like scumposting though?
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Can't doublecheck but PX posts very strongly as scum iirc. I don't know if that translates to refuge in audacity. I'd argue it isn't that much of refuge in audacity given how he was getting away with it until recently. I think a better question is if he'd pull it off as town. I'm suddenly wavering now that I have memories of a game with a PX/NNR slapfight but I have no more time left and I have to run.
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Here "strongly" means "with force." I don't know how to describe it. Maybe someone else here can do it. Bye.
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What about it seems like scumposting though?
in its essence I think the reason for voting oarfish is bs.
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Eh I can make one more post.
Px saying "Not interested in Raikaria while NNR is here."
felt like posturing and ignoring game state in favor of policy.
which is pretty scummy
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I missed post #87
fortunately it does not change my read
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@Conq, I don't need super in depth meta or anything, I just want to know if PX would rely on refuge in audacity if he was scum or not?
He takes advantage of rageposting as scum, sure, but he actually sounds more town as scum. I mean yes, he could be taking advantage of the way people clear rageposters, but I just find it more likely he's not?
Uhm. The leading wagons against me are a Zakerobot and someone I don't really want to lynch. Seeing as it's majority and I hae to go before Zakky-chan promised some opinions I'm going to vote neither, I'd still prefer a CF7 lynch. I also have to go in 5 2 minutes now so etc bye!
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@SB: I think that PX tries to make his position kinda bold as scum, which I guess is was Conq tried to say as well, so I could see him going with the policy lynch.
Also, I know my point about Shadoweh isn't flawless but it's enough for me to give her the credit of the doubt (in Dormio pro reo so to say).
Gosh, you have no idea how many mushrooms it takes to keep me sane happy right now!^^;;
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Oh fuck, I thought deadline was at 1:00 AM my time, not 11:00 PM. Did you know I ran through about 10 rolls of toilet paper today? My nose is as red as Rudolph's.
Skimming the thread left me with no strong opinion on Zak and what I think is a 180 on Shadoweh/CF7. I can see Shadoweh!Scum because her posts are weak but reading CF7 as scum through Shadoweh/Mitsuki being right takes precedence. Read his Mitsuki vote as if he's trying really hard to establish a vote on her with the arguments he's given. What made me change perspectives here is Mitsuki linking to the "are you his scumbuddy?" post which made me remember Medaka and how this is exactly the kind of thing he did then. His earlier Shadoweh read (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131744.html#msg1131744) feels insincere in the same vein so I suddenly have an understanding of Shadoweh's CF7 vote. I changed my mind again I'm the worst person. CF7's earlier posts do read town, and the Shadoweh read is a little different to the one I was comparing it to because at that time it was more of a sheeping general opinion thing and this one reads more genuine
you know what, pointing at exactly what I'm referring to here will waste precius time I'd rather use to make non-waffling sense. So:
I still really dislike CF7's Mitsuki vote. It's awful. But that's it. It's probably not enough at this stage since I like the rest of CF7's play. Since I'm able to rationalize Shadoweh's CF7 vote now, I don't really feel anything for her wagon beyond her play being... not as powerful as it can be.
I feel fine with... I was about to say PX/Sky wagons but Dan's the only vote on Sky so maybe not. It's nothing strong though and I'd probably feel "fine" with NNR too. Gonna read in that direction now while I leave this mess here.
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(post got eaten, blargh)
I feel kinda neutral on Zak, I'm not really sure if he's intentionally lurking as people have said or if he's not actually had a chance to read.
His posts look themed, and remind me of Danposts, but Dan is actually posting so I dunno.
Was his "I'll be gone for 16 hours" really admitting to lurking or just saying he'll be gone?
I guess it's kind of irritating he isn't actually showing up though.
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Reading through Skypal's posts make me inclined to agree with Dan's read. There's a lot of garbage content in his posts, even when he says he's trying to reduce it.
#85 is a hugely convulted explanation of a vote based on meta, followed by "I was suspicious of NNR for some confirming stage thing I did" (to which my reply should be 'that was a vig?'
#87 is just him making setup spec, then voting SB without giving much of a reason (essentially gut)
I could go on like this, his only seemingly-decent vote is the Zak vote, and I don't even know if Zak was actually admitting to lurking or just busy.
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I want Sky to answer something:
Conq
Because I thought that reading it the second way was the unnatural way to read it, and I figured the reason somebody would read it wrong is because they have knowledge of how the scum team works. You say it's the other way around though so @__@
I dunno if this was answered already but what knowledge did you have in mind here?
After reading the thread again I'm slightly leaning in favor of Sky town, the answer to the above question notwithstanding. I don't know what Dan finds so damning about the early Oarfish vote - if anything the explanation in #85 is pretty indepth for an earlygame scum vote.
I'm still not feeling strongly about PX (this 4/5 shtick doesn't do anything for me because he's basically policy lynching and I can accept that), the one thing that bugs me is that he makes remarks about the rest of the game (like the "Shadoweh Wagon bad" comment) without really having an involvement in what's going down. Actually... reading #94 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131915.html#msg1131915) again, I think his remarks are pretty town-looking, so I take it back. Wow I'm great today.
"I think the scum are in the lurkers" would be where I stand. NNR's rush of opinions in these latest posts reads like empty sheeping and Dormio's Raikaria vote followed by "whoop, voting PX" reads like apathetic scum Dormio, especially since he hasn't come back since then. Zak and Oarfish could be yetis for what I know, there's literally no information available.
##Unvote Shadoweh
##Vote NekoNekoRex
I'll vote this but probably vote Zak in less than an hour anyway.
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I don't like the new Size=Huge theme.
Zakeri: Sky_Pal, Raikaria, Mitsuki (3)
ActionDan: Zakeri (1)
CF7: Shadoweh (1)
Dormio: O4rfish (1)
Shadoweh: SB (1)
NNR: PX, BT (2)
PX: NNR, Dormio, Conqueror, Dorian (4)
Mitsuki: CF7 (1)
Sky Paladin: ActionDan (1)
With 15 people it takes 8 to lynch.
Around 3 hours left (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141001T170801&p0=80&msg=Extended+D1)
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<there was a votecount here but then Bard came in and trashed the party>
Didn't realize things were this close. If I move there's a tie. Anyone feel like voting NNR before I decide if I should tie or not? Gonna read PX again just in case.
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Ok so after skimming PoB D1 I can see PX going for a play like this as scum (and I think Shadoweh's behavior there was similar to here, for that matter) so I'd be alright with his lynch if only to improve the gamestate D2 because today is inevitably going to suck as far as lynches go.
There are more people willing to wagon Sky than I thought so I could go with that? Or at least that was what I thought before the cut so apparently not. BT: why does PX look good to you and why NNR over Dormio or other inactives?
I read Zak's post as being too busy to post rather than "I will lurk", but meh.
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Can't really read in depth because certain people have broken posts in mobile.
NNR's post all look more reporting instead of analysis, and more blanket words that just say "eh either way"
Dormio's case on Raikaria was nothing and basically didn't convince so why would I switch between two people that I looked at evenly?
Anyways only post before deadline and I still see no reason to change votes
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Dormio's case on Raikaria was nothing and basically didn't convince so why would I switch between two people that I looked at evenly?
Context?
SB: NNR had the most votes it looked like. I'm rushing opinions pretty hard but why I'm leery about voting PX is in the post before the votecount. Since it's so rushed I'm going to go over it again now.
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There was little to go over when it comes to PX's ISO.
PX can you... claim please.
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After some thought, I'll be granting a 3 hour-extension due to the theme change and reports of broken/eaten posts and stuff. The new deadline has been updated in Bard's votecount and here (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141001T170801&p0=80&msg=Extended+D1)
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SB: NNR had the most votes it looked like. I'm rushing opinions pretty hard but why I'm leery about voting PX is in the post before the votecount. Since it's so rushed I'm going to go over it again now.
Is that so? Cause Dormio had one vote and NNR had one vote, not counting yours, so why the Neko?
@PX: Why do you think Dormios case is something to highlight right now and what do you think about Zakeri? Also a claim would be really nice.
Speaking of the devil, Zakeri should call by by now according to his promise, if I'm not mistaken.
Also, it may just be me but I like the sudden fuss in here. :D
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Back from busy. Will be busy after the next half hour. Why does my font look like it's from the 1990's in my reply box?
Still think Zakeri is the best lynch right now. Unless he comes from the heavens with something drastic to change my mind.
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Also there's a sizable list of people who I am not happy with for general lack of content but what's new here?
But Zakeri is a whole other level of no content due to him basically saying lurking through D1 was his entire intent and such.
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Ugh. I am at loss. And sleepy. And confused.
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RE: People saying I disappeared after voting PX,
Well I'm not going to post at whatever god forsaken hour like 3AM or something so whatever.
Anyway, quick skim doesn't make me want to move my vote, so I guess I'll see if a more in depth read changes my mind or something.
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I'm bored with Raikaria right now since the guy isn't really saying anything.
So instead I'll look at this:
10/10 case would sheep.
##Unvote
##Vote PX
##Unvote
Short d1 is even worse than normal d1.
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So Zakeri, I saw you being around so you better say something or I have to show you the light, case I'm more than happy to encourage you to talk! And when I said light I meant Master spark, ze.^^
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Mitsuki is Town.
As a result of reactionary and associative analysis, CF7 is scum.
Interpretations of Conqueror's vote on self and of PX leads to suspicion.
Discussion of unwillingness to discuss a person's scumplay without reading previous games comes into direct conflict with voting habits.
Vote switch to PX may indicate scum-based mindset regarding justification of votes.
Probability that Conquerer is scum rests at 60%.
Analysis of BT result in warning flag.
BT related data is missing, must reanalyze.
Optimal Vote: CF7
Back Up Optimal Vote: Conqueror (Error: Unlikely Wagon)
Expressing willingness to vote PX should optimal suggestion receive failure.
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##Unvote: ActionDan
##Vote: PX
Flash Wagon unadvised, Unlikely to persuade group.
Investing in optimal chances of continuing operations.
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I think I know who Zak is RPing as.
PX and Skypal have both made dubious claims regarding vig.
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@Zakeri: OK, why exactly is Mitsuki town and how does it makes CF7 scum?
My mini-hakkero is still loaded, so think carefully about your answer. ;)
@Or4fish: Really? Could you enlighten me here?
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@Zakeri: OK, why exactly is Mitsuki town and how does it makes CF7 scum?
Mitsuki successfully scumhunted CF7 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131957.html#msg1131957) and the reaction CF7 gave was to focus attention towards punishing him (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131995.html#msg1131995) for scumhunting with the apparent reason being because of the result finding him scum.
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To clarify my last post, I meant who is Zakeri RPing as? Cause I saw when and where the other two made their ?dubious vig claims?.
And I'm not pretending to be a vig, it's just RPing plus the fact that I could vote Zakeri and leave the decision to Lady Luck, if you know what I mean. ;)
@Zakari: That's fair enough for me right now, so tell me about what ?result in warning flag? about BT?
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Infomation was gather on BT that seemed suspect, but was unable to form a conclusion with which one could apply analytical reasoning to.
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He basically thinks I'm scum on gut.
RE: People saying I disappeared after voting PX,
Well I'm not going to post at whatever god forsaken hour like 3AM or something so whatever.
Eh, I thought there were more posts around 12-4 my time but there's a pretty big time gap between #99 and #101. Still, the PX vote wasn't doing much and Raikaria ended up posting not so long after.
Dorian: Could've sworn there weren't any votes on Dormio. My opinions aren't very strong at time of posting anyway, I'll have to consolidate during the night.
##Unvote NekoNekoRex
##Vote Zakeri
Mumble grumble, I'm still not completely sure. I would still rather not vote PX from small gut on #94 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131915.html#msg1131915). Aside from agreeing that CF7 is worse off from interacting with Mitsuki, I don't agree with Zak that it's that simple (as seen from my posts) and I'm not sure about the Conq suspicion. Can you point to the posts that made you think he's acting against his own voting habits? And the thing about voting with a scum-based mindset?
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Lunch break means I'm here until a few minutes before deadline
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And everyone's gone ;_;
@Dorian it's more of a response to Conq, saying I'm not interested in game state. I just didn't see anything to make me vote Raikaria over keeping it on NNR, so I kept my vote. Speaking of Raikaria, shouldn't he be here?
Zakeri is all right with me. If I have to vote him to stay alive, I'll do it before I leave but don't feel like he's scum.
SB's comment on my lynch improving game state D2 seems like a giant load of bullocks, since the Wagon on me is pretty full of crap.
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@BT: I know that it's a gut read but even my gut read on you had a ?that's what I think is odd? blurb to it, and that's what let you tell a legit gut read apart from from a reads you pull out of your sleeve!
I also know that day ones are hard, especially this one but what is actually town about PX Reply #94?
@PX: as long as you are here, could you claim or something?
Zakeri too if you like. Everything that would make this decision simpler would be really, really appreciated here!
* eats another mushroom * ~ instant good mood ~ :)
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Claiming Patchouli Knowledge. I am
masons with Bard
I unfortunately must claim the standard boring Vanilla Townie.
Oh and before Sky Palladium uses this as a lame excuse to condemn me
1) No, flavor gaming is dumb and lame
2) Zakeri was Patchy last time and town, so you have no reason
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Holy crap 3 years ago?
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I'm here. more and more leaning town on both PX and Zak though.
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Call my vote on NNR a policy lynch, sure but it was still also a post on a lurker for posting nothing. NNR'S post afterwards are also still bad for just being reporting, sheeping, and fluff, and all this seems to be lost among everything. Oh well, not even mad
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VOTE COUNT PLEASE I HAVE 5 MINUTES
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PX: NNR, Dormio, Conqueror, Dorian, Zakeri (5)
Dormio: O4rfish (1)
NNR: PX (1)
Shadoweh: SB (1)
Zakeri: Sky_Paladin, Raikaria, Mitsuki, BT (4)
CF7: Shadoweh (1)
Mitsuki: CF7 (1)
Sky Paladin: ActionDan (1)
As aurate as it could get! :D
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Dormio still hasn't basically moved at all ever since his "case" on rakaria. I say look there after I flip town. Of course, this will get lost to time forever since who listens to dead townie.
Unvote
Vote Zakeri
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##Unvote
##Vote Zakeri
I prefer this only slightly
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L-1
(though PX's vote doesn't count because TAGS OP so really L-2)
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Road posting ##unvote
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##vote cf7[/b)
Don't think px scum after claim
Nor sure on Zak al though he's wrong
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##unvote
##Vote CF7
okay let's roll with this.
Even though it was one of your town reads before
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Ed1 townread on tone. Reread his vote on Mitsubishi after Zak pin he's it out and it do Rees nt look too good.
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Wait, deadline?!
Zakeri: Sky_Pal, Raikaria, Mitsuki, BT, PX (5)
CF7: Shadoweh, Conqueror, ActionDan (2)
Shadoweh: SB (1)
PX: NNR, Dormio, Dorian, Zakeri (4)
Mitsuki: CF7 (1)
Not voting: Oarfish (1)
With 15 people it takes 8 to lynch.
10 minutes remain! (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141001T170801&p0=80&msg=Extended+D1)
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##Unvote
##Vote: CF7
Jubilation?
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Friendly reminder: If no majority is reached by the end of the Day phase, we will lynch whoever has the most votes at the time. In the event of a tie, we will resolve using RNG.
Might as well...!
Zakeri: Sky_Pal, Raikaria, Mitsuki, BT, PX (5)
CF7: Shadoweh, Conqueror, ActionDan, Zakeri (4)
Shadoweh: SB (1)
PX: NNR, Dormio, Dorian (3)
Mitsuki: CF7 (1)
Not voting: Oarfish (1)
With 15 people it takes 8 to lynch.
10 minutes remain! (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141001T170801&p0=80&msg=Extended+D1)
[/quote]
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PX, Zakeri or CF7 go!
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OK, I may regret this but here we go!
##Unvote
##Vote: CF7
May Lady Luck make her choice for the better.^^
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the only troubling thing is zak not claiming but w/e
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Deadline has fallen, votes will no longer be counted! It is now Twilight 1!
Final votecount
Zakeri: Sky_Pal, Raikaria, Mitsuki, BT, PX (5)
CF7: Shadoweh, Conqueror, ActionDan, Zakeri, Dorian (5)
Shadoweh: SB (1)
PX: NNR, Dormio (2)
Mitsuki: CF7 (1)
Not voting: Oarfish (1)
Please wait warmly for Affinity to RNG.
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Also, don't post in thread, shut up etcetera.
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The bell in the long-off distance chimed loudly as darkness fell upon the Human Village. By the simple, primitive method of drawing lots, life and death was at once decided, and judgement was passed. Before she could react, a sack was put unto Zakeri's head, and she was made to ascend the steps to the scaffold, where the lynching rope lay. Quick, quiet murmuring was heard, as she recited the scientific theories she had been working on in haste amidst choked sobs. Perhaps it was a means to bargain for her life, perhaps it was a way for her to verify her own existence before the time of death.
But the sad truth of the matter was that the fear-crazed crowd had neither the patience nor the time to hear such things. The events of dark ancestry and the horrors contained within simply overpowered their capacity for mutual understanding. She was not there for a reason, they said. Probably lurking to report back to her mistress later, possibly.
Such thoughts were in the hearts of our heroines as the rope was hoisted up cruelly, the sound of friction like a deathstroke unto the guilty. Choking sounds and muffled screams were heard in the process of dying, and just as the gruesome struggle finally ended, the sack fell, revealing a tall foreign-looking purple-haired girl with glasses from a long-off world.
A maniacal laugh from the distance told them what their eyes did not wish to believe, and a general cry of alarm left the dead body of Rikako Asakura, Vanilla Townie swaying in the night wind.
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Zakeri's flip is as follows:
You are Rikako Asakura, Vanilla Townie and human. You have no special abilities
According to your calculations, Gensokyo as you know it ends this week. Well, hopefully that isn't the case, but you're going to have to pull your weight with town to get through this. You aim to survive and do more calculations, or something.
You win when town form the majority. All the best.
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It is now Night One. You have 24 hours to send in night actions (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141002T1810&p0=80&msg=End+of+Night+One&swk=1) (preferably to both me and Bard).
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There was no joy in the sunrise today, only a general sense of dismay and gloom. A thick, red mist has covered the entire village lately, and everything seemed saturated with scarlet, reeking of blood and rot. Reluctantly, the villagers came out of their houses one by one, ready to spend their last day of premonition in accusatory tones and tearful anger.
No one died last night, it seems. But this news was met with suspicion rather than delight.
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It is now Day Two. The night of the full moon is at hand. With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
48 hours remain. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141004T19&p0=80&msg=End+of+D2&csz=1)
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In an unrelated note, PX has been given a stern warning as to his inflammatory conduct towards NNR. Another such infraction, and he'll be modkilled without hesitation.
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(Why announce that in public?)
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So that others won't do the same thing.
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I was targeted with a certain action/effect/somethingelse during D1's twilight. Since this isn't a big thing to hide (and the other person knows this), for accountability's sake, I'd like the person responsible to stand up now, or never. That is all.
##Vote Dormio
Initially I didn't like the PX vote and thought Dormio might be apathetic scum. Reading his ISO has strenghened this suspicion: Town Dormio would have been more likely to cement why he thought PX's post was bad, or not completely drop Raikaria once his vote was switched. Notice that Dormio could have reacted to Raikaria's new posts but didn't, despite strong rhetoric in his Raikaria case such as "makes up a completely bullshit excuse to vote for CF7". Don't think this disinterest in Raikaria and PX comes from Town Dormio, who usually articulates his suspicions well.
Others I'd consider today are CF7, Sky, Oarfish, Mitsubishi, Shadoweh and NNR, in no particular order. I'm in the process of assessing these reads.
Hey Raikaria hey. Don't awfully suspect you but I'd like to address some things, mainly that you were around for deadline but didn't comment on Zak's posts when he showed up. Also want you to elaborate on your reads during D1 since you said you had some but your content scope is rather small. When it turned out my vote wasn't as bland as you thought it was, what happened to the other people you disliked on the Shadoweh wagon? You just kinda left it standing there in favor of Zak lurkiness.
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let's avoid ties this time.
I did not affect BT.
will think of voting options little later
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I thought behavior prods were supposed to be private. And we have another 48 hour day phase? Sheesh.
Here is your hopefully one and only shit post of things I noticed/caught on the re-read. Once again, the amount of content doubled after I went to bed in the last six hours of the phase. Thanks guys.
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PX (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1132015.html#msg1132015) calls out Mitsuki for calling out Oarfish for lurking.
Please explain why you have an issue with this.
Oarfish, for his part, had no vote yesterday when it was a tie between PX and Zakeri. FYI I hate random flips, it should be first-past-the-post or something. I think not voting is super scummy regardless of Zak/PX's alignment.
PX (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1132029.html#msg1132029): "The Shadoweh Wagon is dumb."
Why?
PX (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1132186.html#msg1132186)
Randomly calls me out for flavor gaming.
We actually had Oarfish and Dorian focusing on flavor gaming, so I want to know why PX called for me over them.
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Dorian (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1132046.html#msg1132046):
For an instance, rule 5. and 6. make a lot of sense when you think that scum had two vampires and one not-vampire in their team back then. You see what I mean?
I assumed there were two scum players and they could recruit a third not-vampire player. Are you saying there is already a third player, and they can recruit a fourth?
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Dan
This doesn't answer the question of why you'd vote someone (why it's scummy) for not including an explanation for their vote. None is required if it's RVS, and if it isn't the explanation according to you is implicit.
Because I felt that it was a policy vote rather than a RVS vote. I thought that a scum player might want to be able to justify their votes, and a policy vote in RVS is a great way to do it, and the lack of explanation attached to said vote seemed odd to me. If it feels odd, I'll vote it.
Dan
I did not affect BT.
How about 'lets not all comment on who did not do it so scum cant work out who did it by POE thanks'.
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SB
I'm kind of wary of Skypal atm because there's none of the usual insane energy in his posts and the best scumread he put out was basically on Zak for not doing anything? It's not that I disagree with it, but calling out inactivity/lack of opinions when you have none yourself doesn't really sit right with me?
I'm trying not to shitpost this game, so I'm happy you're noticing a difference~
I voted for Zak because he stated an intent to not do anything and then consolidate at phase end, when his only vote so far was to policy vote Dan for doing nothing. So, I voted for him because he basically vote parked and I thought that was scum. There was plenty of other material to discuss, including the emergent wagons on NNR, PX, and even Shadoweh. So it was really unacceptable to vote park that early in the phase and never come back to address it, and ever worse to state that was your plan. Of course he flipped green so ugh.
Before Zak, I'd already voted you and Oarfish, and made a number of posts, so it's not like I am lacking activity or opinions. I'm just trying not to wall post every time.
Also I kind of feel that every time I go to bed right before a phase end, SB tries to start/push a Sky wagon, so this is not on it's own alignment indicative.
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In response to BT (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1132113.html#msg1132113)
I thought/think the scum team has two players and have a facional ability to recruit a third. Because it would be OP if town lynched a recruiter before night 2.
When Conqueror said, "Was tempted to firebomb a lurker here since they would be prime suspects for scum recruiter but I'll start here", I assumed that a recruiter would want to target a lurker, such as Dan/Zak (players who normally coast through to LYLO without doing anything). At the time I thought poorly of Conqueror for suggesting this - if we are just gonna lynch a lurker to avoid a conversion, we might as well policy lynch. Then I considered that scum often lurk too. So I felt this strategy was unintentionally sound - we may actually net a scum, and at the very worst we would kill off a useless player in a non-critical phase. ActionDan's alignment and afkness ALWAYS comes up, more often than not in LYLO; if we are going to lynch a lurker, the best time is day 1 before we have wagon analysis and night info to go on. We then had Zak state publicly he was going afk, and I went -> IDEA.
So my interpretation was "Let's lynch a lurker because scum will recruit from them (and secretly there could be a scum in there!)".
When SB posted another interpretation, an interpretation that was different from mine, I wondered what the reason was. I assumed there was only one interpretation from a town-minded player, and that if SB had a different interpretation, then he was coming from a different mindset - one of scum. So that is why I voted him for it. However, Conqueror then said that I was the one who read it wrong, so I was quite frustrated by that.
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Oarfish came in near phase end and unvoted because no real reason (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1132151.html#msg1132151) when wagons were tied/close/something or other, town should have made a decision. I would have probably kept on voting Zak because I am a jerk though. I think he's scum for being unwilling to commit to a wagon. Town doesn't really care if they mislynch a lurker, scum care a lot if they can't explain their vote.
Coincidentally I pegged Oarfish for not explaining his RVS early day 1 so this feels too good to be true. But I want to beleive o/
##vote Oarfish
Arbitrary scumteam picks: Oarfish, PX, Dan.
I will reflect on Dormio/CF7 after my doctor appointment *shudder*
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I have to admit that I am a bit lost right now~ so let's try to pick up where I left*
@BT: my question still stands~ what was so town about PX #94? also for someone who starts the day by calling raikaria out on his handling of the zakeri wagon were you quit certain on that matter and you did surprisingly little with zakeris content yourself* how does that come?
And no~ I didn't visited you* not in twilight not at night*
but well~ we got indeed a bigger fish to fry here!
##vote: raikaria
you mostly just vote-parked on zakeri and did do much else~ aside from some criticism on other cases which lacked any conclusion* so who do you think is scum and why?
PS: things went strange for me lately~ which means that I have to be more careful from now on* but there is no need to worry~ the fun will go on~ ^.^/ (when it isn't 4am)
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Please explain why you have an issue with this.
Other parts of the forums are not mafia. It is lame, not part of mafia.
Why?
Should I defend someone who I think is town? I think Shadoweh is good enough to handle that herself.
Randomly calls me out for flavor gaming.
My bad, that was Raikaria. Sorry for getting stuff wrong when I was reading it at work on my phone during my lunch break while the forum was breaking everywhere.
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BT is probably 99% town for various reasons, although I question the value of having whoever visited him during twilight claim.
##Vote: CF7
I wasn't able to elaborate on this since I was driving, but I really disliked the way he came in near the deadline, said he was confused, and just vamoosed. The Mitsuki vote has been harped on already. I don't think his reaction is terrible, per se, but I dislike his lack of followup, plus the way he handwaved the wagons on Shadoweh and Zak while staying on Mitsuki. Reads of apathy, and not the town kind. My impression of yesterday is that we had town/town wagons on Zak/PX and the scum were just fine with letting us lynch them. Not a sure thing, but PX's posts when he was almost lynched felt more like town than scum flailing.
Oarfish is pretty much guilty of the same thing but I want him to actually post before I decide if I want to throw the kitchen sink at him. I want Dormio to tell us if his quick skim told us anything, and also elaborate on his reasons for voting PX. These three are probably my pool of lynches for today.
People I want to look at: Sky, Raikaria, and Mitsuki, mostly because most of their content involves non-posting Zakeri. I think the little that Mitsuki posted was okayish, and Sky's latest post seems decent. Raikaria, well, I think his play matches up with his bull-headed town posting but I want to see what else these three come up with.
I want Shadoweh to talk about other people so I can tell if she's scum parking on a townie ala Pictures of Birds or a townie parking on someone she thinks is scum ala Medaka Box. :V If CF7 is scum though, Shadoweh is almost certainly town.
I don't particularly think NNR is scum but I will probably reread him just in case.
Everyone I haven't mentioned is probably town.
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Vote Dormio
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Why?
You are trolling me, right?
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Skypal: I unvoted Dormio because his reasoning behind voting PX made him look town.
I didn't have enough time to decide whether to actually vote PX or not, although I think if I were his buddy I would have made up a reason to vote Zak.
Seems like you would have caught that, if you had done something more logical than ISO other people and then vote me.
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Dormio, who usually articulates his suspicions well.
I have no idea who you're mistaking me for here.
Anyway, I was going to read through the game during the night but then I was working on an assignment that I didn't finish because they extended the due date so I'm reading now and making this post and this sentence is far longer than it has to be but I don't really give a fuck and will continue to have it run on simply because I can and none of you can stop me from doing this unless somebody has like a day post restrictor or something along those lines but then again people don't really post restrict me since I tend to post restrict myself for no reason whatsoever so yeah even if one of you could stop me you probably wouldn't because the only one that stops me is me.
Yeah I read through the rest of PX's posts from yesterday and I still don't like them.
However, I don't feel like pursuing this for reasons unspecified.
##Vote ActionDan
Basically, I get the feeling that Dan was vomiting out content that he didn't really care about in order to look like he was active and contributing.
Why do I think that Dan's posting was insincere?
I'm not entirely sure how to put it into words but it's like it seemed like Dan never wanted to fully commit to anything.
Like, for the majority of the day, Dan is really getting on Sky Paladin's case. He even goes so far so as to say that he thinks that he's found a scumslip in Sky Paladin's post.
But he doesn't really follow up on it.
Instead all Dan really does for the day is snipe at Sky Paladin without ever really pushing the case.
And I don't like that.
On top of this, I'm really not a big fan of how Dan handled the end of D1.
I mean sure I guess Dan doesn't have any real opinions on any of the major wagons because all he's been doing for most of the day is pressing Sky Paladin without actually really pressing Sky Paladin but then posts like this one (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1132200.html#msg1132200) really sets off warning bells for me.
Why does ActionDan blindly trust Conq, even though he notices that Conq is contradicting his earlier opinion about CF7?
Instead of questioning it at all, Dan just simply mentions it as an offhand comment whilst still sheeping Conq.
I mean Conq did clarify later and it would make a lot more sense if Dan had waited for Conq's explanation before proceeding to sheep CF7.
And then there's also the fact that Dan mentioned that Zakeri not claiming caused him some concern but just ignored it.
The fact that Dan just went for it despite these points makes me think that Dan didn't really care at all about who was lynched D1.
I also don't like that Dan just immediately claimed not to have affected BT but whatever I guess.
Also, will sheep cases on CF7/Raikaria.
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Why does ActionDan blindly trust Conq, even though he notices that Conq is contradicting his earlier opinion about CF7?
Instead of questioning it at all, Dan just simply mentions it as an offhand comment whilst still sheeping Conq.
10 minutes from deadline. And unless you're going to push the idea that I'm scum, then what's wrong with it in the first place?
Dan claiming Zak's lack of claim caused him concern would be scummier if Zak flipped scum. As is it's no different from someone claiming reservations about a lynch.
Like, for the majority of the day, Dan is really getting on Sky Paladin's case.
I mean sure I guess Dan doesn't have any real opinions on any of the major wagons because all he's been doing for most of the day is pressing Sky Paladin without actually really pressing Sky Paladin but then posts like this one really sets off warning bells for me.
Dan started pursuing Sky about...6 hours from deadline. I would take your case more seriously if you read it like that but framing Dan's behaviour as pushing Sky Paladin for most of the day and suddenly moving off him isn't even close to what happened in the game.
Dormio your Dan case sucks. :colbert: Dormio are you scum?
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inb4 answering for people. Bite me.
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Oh I didn't properly read the deadline timer.
However, Dan was pursuing Sky for a very long time.
I mean it starts here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131761.html#msg1131761). That post might not look like much more than an offhand comment at first but then you look at the follow up post here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131920.html#msg1131920) and I'm under the impression that Dan was on Sky Paladin a fair bit before 6 hours before deadline. Also this is like the first thing Dan actually does in this game so yeah.
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inb4 answering for people. Bite me.
(http://i.imgur.com/9U2S4uN.jpg)
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It's fair to question why I voted CF7.
And sheeped Conq.
1.) I bothered to read Zak's posts after he stopped lurking and realized that his observations about CF7/Mitsuki held some value, which he conveyed in his opinions.
2.) I am fully aware that town players can change their opinions.
@Dorian
I have no qualms about smoking out whoever visited BT during twilight. I regard the action with suspicion considering BT's asking for a reveal.
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Popping in before I turn in for bed.
dont have the time nor means to make a long post or read in depth. sorry
still dont like PX for obv reasons.
From what I remember of yesterday i dont like skypal or rai. will iso them in morning.
sb, mitsuki, and cf7 arent memorable which feels bad. hope they post more, will also iso them.
not confident enough to put down a vote until i can read more. i am bad at mafia.
see you lot tomorrow.
-NNR ‘ω‘
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Votecount
ActionDan: Dormio (1)
CF7: Conqueror (1)
Dormio: BT, PX (2)
Raikaria: Dorian (1)
O4rfish: Sky_Paladin (1)
With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch.
1 day and 19 hours remaining (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141004T19&p0=80&msg=End+of+D2&csz=1)
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##Vote: CF7
Voting him based on what I previously stated, nothing new here. I haven't read any of today's posts and I didn't pay attention to most of the D1 end posts. I asked for a replacement for three days since I'll be very busy until Sunday (uni stuff + selling stuff at an event and having to finish things for it + Vhaltz is here + lots of other minor stuff), but I was told that I wouldn't be able to replace back in afterwards and I deifnitely want to keep playing.
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you mostly just vote-parked on zakeri and did do much else~ aside from some criticism on other cases which lacked any conclusion* so who do you think is scum and why?
Guilty as charged, I voteparked on the person who I felt was the most scummy. I didn't do much else because most activity happened when I was asleep. I even whined about it a few times. I would have done more so far but it appears the timezones of when people post this game are really, really, really not conductive to me. Also my mafia playstyle is reactive and looking for things other people say and honestly for a 15p game the level of content was astonishingly low.
And I would say my analysis of the Shadoweh wagon had conclusions. SB's case was shakey, BT basically just sheeped SB and you case was just plain bad.
I like 95% of Dorimo's most recent wall. I'm not burning up with enthusiasm on the case itself but it still seems like town effort, which Dormio hasn't really shown so far. The 5% I do not like is the part about sheeping.
Sky makes a good point about O4fish's appearance at the end of D1.
Hey Raikaria hey. Don't awfully suspect you but I'd like to address some things, mainly that you were around for deadline but didn't comment on Zak's posts when he showed up. Also want you to elaborate on your reads during D1 since you said you had some but your content scope is rather small. When it turned out my vote wasn't as bland as you thought it was, what happened to the other people you disliked on the Shadoweh wagon? You just kinda left it standing there in favor of Zak lurkiness.
Was around but wasn't around. I was preoccupied with other things at the time. I had the window open and was downstairs watching TV. Not like Zak's end of day content was impressive or anything, indeed, you, PX and ActionDan voted for him shortly after his content.
I still dislike Dorian and SB's votes on Shadoweh, and I still dislike yours for sheeping reasons. Dorian's is still worse than SB's.
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Anyway, onto reads.
I still dislike Dorian. I feel his votes are weak [He spent a large part of D1 voting Shadoweh for being 3rd on the wagon, and now he's voting me for not doing much which is partly true but still kinda a cop-out at this point]. For the amount of content he has posted it dosen't feel like he's actually done much. Also he pushed the vote to RNG instead of making a decision, and he didn't seem too convinced by Zakeri's content.
Pushing the vote to RNG dosen't seem like a town thing to do, especially when he did not justify it. It just shows apathy for the lynch, and this makes a lot of sense if Dorian is scum and both of the parties who it came to RNG on are town.
Also don't like him pushing for claims as well due to this possibility. Especially since PX had already claimed before in the thread, showing he hadn't even read PX's posts, despite being voting for him.
Due to these factors I think I will start the day voting Dorian.
#Vote: Dorian
Other people I dislike include ActionDan [Content]; O4rfish [Usually sticks more in my head than this game, which is usually a bad sign] and to a much lesser extent Dormio because I was heavily unimpressed by his D1; but so far his D2 is quickly changing that impression. As I stated before, I think Mitsuki is town, while he's not posted much I like the content in those posts, and I also think BT is probobly town now.
Not quite sure about CF7 yet.
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Also on the topic of me not taking about Zakeri despite being 'around' Zakeri's posts were just before 10pm my time.
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I am here. Reading. Also i vanished at deadline because it was pushed back 3 hours into too late to really stay awake.
I am not sure if i should address this (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1132164.html#msg1132164) or not, since it's a) i can't see how you can call that a "successful scumhunting", b) Zak is kinda dead.
Also D1 vote count.
Me and Zak got a tie, but RNG favored me, which i am not sure if should be happy about or not. Probably happy.
Also i am town. Zak is also town. So it was town/town which is not good, but oh, well. Also i think that aside from cop and maybe doc the rest of the roles are simple VT's.
People who voted me kinda voted me as a sorta flash-counter-wagon to Zak. I won't comment on it, because it was a consolidation lynch and consolidation lynches are dumb.
People who voted Zak were not active at deadline, aside from BT, but he voted and then not posted anything. So i am not sure if any of them can be really held responsible, but still. Sky voted accusing Zak of vote-parking. Raikaria did the same. Mitsuki simply voted because of Zak's lurking at the time and she at least wanted to have someone lynched. PX voted Zak as a counter-wagon. And BT voted for some questionable reasons.
I am kind of not sure about PX claim and why people think clear him as town because of it. Patchy is from SDM. Rules state that there're guaranteed to be 2 vampires in the mafia, and that's all. Still he's not high on my scum list atm.
I'd still lynch Mitsuki, because of her general tone of her responses. And that don't really care attitude in the end. Also this.
##Vote: CF7
Voting him based on what I previously stated, nothing new here. I haven't read any of today's posts and I didn't pay attention to most of the D1 end posts.
Also i don't really like O4rfish for not being really here and his response in his #211
That's pretty much it.
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I need to reread but Smash 4 is almost done downloading and I'd like to play that so uh, I'll keep this short. I still don't feel great about Shadoweh but I'm wary that I've been tunneling in too hard there so I'm gonna leave that for now. I agree with what Conq said about PX, his deadline posts didn't read like scum who were on the cusp of being lynched so I'm feeling pretty good about him today.
##Vote: Sky
Rolling with this. Even if he's been trying to play more low-key there just doesn't seem to be any scumhunting energy there, his D1 cases were unmemorable (no: essentially one liners that were completely dropped on Oarfish and me don't count.) He's apparently scumreading Dan but I can't see where the heck it comes from in his posts (and I think Dan is town in this game get at me.) His PX case doesn't look like a case, it just looks like some questions and looks kind of reactionary? So does his Dan suspicion, for that matter. His Oarfish case is sort of okay but I don't feel too strongly on it.
Every time I read Dormio's posts the first thing that comes to mind is "this is scum" because I feel like he's just pushing kind of weak cases on people who aren't really in the spotlight and he's just sort of... there. I have this same feeling on Mitsuki too but she's apparently just busy?
Raikaria your Dorian case sucks lol, it looked like they wanted a 50% chance of the person they wanted lynched dying over a 0% chance, rather than apathy towards it. I've already explained why my Shadoweh vote was decent and you're failing at reading there too, so >.>
Too lazy to do more Smash time gooooooooooo
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I ask you who's scum and you tell me how much I suck at this game~ sure that's helpful! ^^;
to enlighten you on my votes~ I voted shadoweh for opportunism and as it was as weak as a ed1 vote could be but when you consider how long it took her to say that her vote was for pressure and moved it~ then it's hardly my fault that I had to keep it that long* and I am voting you right now~ cause your position on the game is still as clear to me as the red mist! ^^;
if you think that I haven't done much then I can tell you that this feeling is mutual and in case you haven't noticed it~ I wasn't too fond of the zakeri wagon before (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1132046.html#msg1132046)* so yes~ I wasn't convinced by him of cf7 being scum but that doesn't means I wasn't convinced of zakeri being town*
how dear you to rub in the salt~ that I was only able to tie the wagons in the end when it was your ignorance that took part in leading us there? <_<;
so~ if ?pushing the vote to RNG dosen't seem like a town thing to do?~ then what would be the town thing to do? I was there till the very end talking my ass off as I tried to get alternative wagons going~ even risking to mess up my post restriction in the process (which sadly actual happened ;_; )~ while mr pro-active himself watched had nothing better to do then watching TV in blissful ignorance? I mean just look at this:
?still think zakeri is the best lynch right now* unless he comes from the heavens with something drastic to change my mind*? (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1132137.html#msg1132137) why would you even say that when you knew that you wouldn't be around to deal with what ever he comes up with?
and what's wrong with requesting a claim? my last request was here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1132185.html#msg1132185) and PX claimed here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1132186.html#msg1132186)~ so what have I missed? oh wait there is a quote~ KO fine~ I really missed that* ^^;;
now to your conclusions about the shadoweh wagon: my vote was bad~ sb's vote was ?shakey? whatever that means and BT just sheeped SB* nothing you put over the guy who were just foolish enough to admit that he wouldn't be around before deadline?
but now SB is suspect to an unknown degree~ BT is town because ??? and I am the scum of the earth for holding a ed1 vote to long and a interpretation of my end of day efforts that I can only see as a twisted~ insulting misrepresent! :t
and finally your weeping about timezones* what keeps you from talking about things that happened when you weren't there? and when it's such a big deal for you~ then why haven't you considered that as you judged my shadoweh vote? >_> put your big-girl-panties on~ everyone got problems*
PS: what am I doing wrong? no matter who I vote day two~ I run into a counter vote* it makes me all sad and angry~ which is really bad right now since I am supposed to be jolly ^.^/ and maybe other things ending on -olly*
Now I need a deep breath and a mushroom or two before I go on* ^^;
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Probably my only time here for the rest of the day phase so I'm gonna try to make it count.
Reread SB so far, no strong opinions either way, but he seemed awfully quiet D1. His reads in general were also pretty wishy-washy and it didn't look like he had very strong opinions on anyone. He also kinda sat on the Shadoweh vote all day.
I actually really want to feel bad about Dormio but at the same time I don't like PX and Dormio was pretty much immediately on that shit he pulled D1, and the enemy of my enemy is my friend. so I'm kinda torn on him.
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Don't feel good about CF7 in general. Essentially his post today so far is a bunch of 'analyze the wagon' but he doesn't form any solid reads off of it. He doesn't have a vote or a single scumread down, aside from Mitsuki, who he isn't even voting. The voting between CF7 and Mitsuki that's been going on since D1 is pretty suspicious, neither seems to want to move off and neither has any particularly good content on each other.
"Your vote on me is scummy" "Well, your vote on me is just as scummy" etc etc etc doesn't feel right.
CF7's initial vote on Mitsuki is bad in the first place, he accuses her of dropping her 'strongest scum read' when Mitsuki never had any until the vote.
##Vote: CF7
Mitsuki read feels like a bust, but she's replacing anyway. Would have liked some opinions from her on PX, though.
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Wow my Internet is down all afternoon and there is literally no extra content except Dorian rebutting against me.
Dorian, honestly the best way to convince me is simply to form something I see as a better case. I don't think your cases so far are very strong. I don't like how you pushed the lynch to RNG without justifying doing so strongly, because that does show apathy to the lynch. It came across to me as 'PX isn't getting lynched and I don't really care which of the other two are being lynched so I'll leave it to Lady Luck'. Hell you even said you'd let luck decide. That is apathy, and it doesn't look good.
And I thought Zakeri was gonna be back sooner than he was. -_[^.^]_-. Besides; 10pm posts are not my forte.
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Now I'm probobly done for the day here. Be sure to leave me a buttload of content for me to digest all at once for when I come back! I want something to talk about @_@
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Running out of steam again.
Tried to read Raikaria and got townie vibes, so I wouldn't vote him. Also tried to read Skypal and I still feel mostly the same as yesterday, eg his posts are still really fluffy and I don't really like him.
Not really up to the task of reading other people, and I might have to replace anyway, so that's all I can muster for now.
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I was just about to correct my previous point: ?I wasn't 'fully' convinced by him of cf7 being scum? at the time and I am still unsure but I saw him to be more likely to flip scum than zakeri*
but I am currently a bit terrified~ by the fact that I messed up again~ so FUCK!
I am still happy~ I AM STILL HAPPY! ^u^/ and no~ I am not insane* no sir~ just hopelessly addicted! ^^;;
so let me try to bring my opinions across as long as I am still able to do so*
cf7 is troublesome~ I could get around that his mitsuki vote was reactionary but I remember his play style to be reactionary anyway~ ITT nothing that fills me with confidence here~ his current lack of a vote is another matter*
PX is still scum for his #94~ aside from his non-opinions there holds his point 4 against NNR this: ?except he's not good enough for the scum to consider recruiting*? I don't believe in scum slips but it sounds to me as if he assumes town NNR here~ as in ?not scum yet and too bad of a player to get recruited*? and if anyone use a town assumption to push a lynch like that~ then it worries me* his claim is null by the way*
I originally intended to wait for what BT has to say on that matter~ cause he gave this post out as the reason for his town read on PX~ which I really don't see but I don't think that I have the time to wait for it* ^^;
and shadoweh~ why didn't she showed up by now? I know what I said about her uncalled name claim and the crumbs* but why is she still lurking? <_< she seems to care about the game as much as raikaria dose~ only on a superficial level~ which isn't much better than what zakeri did~ even worse cause it's just pretending! >_>
not to forget dormio~ I targeted him last night but it failed~ don't know if I got role blocked or if my mushrooms just doesn't worked on him~ however he has no idea how much fun he's missing~ nor do I* cause I have no idea what my mushrooms actually do*^^;;
cut by NNR: well~ your post shows suspicion but would you mind voting or something for that matter?^^; I mean if that's your only post today! or do you enjoy to stab the knife in my back and twist the blade? ;_;
cut again: OK~ that's much better*
that's all that came to my mind right now and I didn't had the time to reread much and post before affinity noticed that I messed up again AND taking care that I don't make it worse* 0_0
anyway~ you wouldn't let your beloved ?ordinary witch? hanging~ even if she has a bit of a mental breakdown right now~ would you? ^^;
I mean~ even the word ?hopeless? has still hope in it, right? ^^
cut by raikaria: I get to you bro as soon as I done prove reading this mess.^^;
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CF7's initial vote on Mitsuki is bad in the first place, he accuses her of dropping her 'strongest scum read' when Mitsuki never had any until the vote.
So, if this post (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131957.html#msg1131957) is not her scum read, then i don't know what is.
Well, anyway. I don't really belive PX claim, or rather that his role can be either alignment to be hones, plus there's no proof if he's telling the truth in the first place.
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Being Forgotten is Suffering
ActionDan: Dormio (1)
CF7: Conqueror, Mitsuki, NNR (3)
Dormio: BT, PX (2)
Raikaria: Dorian (1)
O4rfish: Sky_Paladin (1)
Dorian: Raikaria (1)
Sky Paladin: SB (1)
With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch.
1 day and 3 hours remaining (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141004T19&p0=80&msg=End+of+D2&csz=1)
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Can't post properly right now.
Cf7 what is weird about px claim
Also why did you pop in and disappear at the end of d1
Shadowed why are you deliberately ignoring the thread?
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Also rail aria can't logic 101. Dorian keeping his vote where it was would have been apathy. Moving votes to an actual lynch target is proactive.
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Raaailkaria. For those not sure, I'm pretty sure Raikaria is meta-town at this point. Very purposeful, unrestricted posting. Probably not the best words I can use here but I'll roll with it.
I also don't feel like voting Sky today anymore, but hey, I don't get your explanation. You said Conq's point of lynching lurkers to counteract the scum recruiter helped in having the IDEA! to lynch Zak, but you voted Zak in the same post where you found out the real interpretation of Conq's post. So...?
What I meant by "articulating suspicions well" is that I can usually expect Dormio to churn out a case on anyone he wants to push for a lynch. Whatever, his stances on Rai and PX are still pretty unconvincing (does he care?) and so is the Dan case - fixation on stuff that really isn't that bad. If you want to talk about weird deadline conduct you have CF7 and Oarfish to look at but the best that got was a short mention of sheeping the CF7 case.
Oarfish's post is pretty bad - I feel like his WIFOM "I think I would have done otherwise as scum" blurb is out of place and possible evidence of newbscum, and I don't like how he discredits Sky's vote on him by pointing out irrelevant post structures. So what if he ISO'd other people before addressing you, hmm?
CF7's content is bad (carryover and sheep?) and it's short-sighted of him to think people are townreading PX because of his claim. I agreed with parts of Conq's case and how townreading the Shadoweh wagon was pretty arbitrary? I'll have to reread him again to see if I want to change wagons. I'll have to make sure I'm okay enough with NNR and Mitsuki before then. Shadoweh is lurking but I don't know.
I actually really want to feel bad about Dormio but at the same time I don't like PX and Dormio was pretty much immediately on that shit he pulled D1, and the enemy of my enemy is my friend. so I'm kinda torn on him.
And if Dormio really is scum you can bet that I'll be pushing this.
Responses...
Dan: That's not really it, I'm just playing it safe and having the information out here because the one behind the action really loses nothing from sharing as far as I'm aware.
Dorian: I couldn't really explain the PX gutread on the fly back then, but in hindsight it probably has to do with what Conq tried saying about PX's playstyle as scum - he can usually find strong opinions at the start of the game? And #94's second half felt like it didn't come from scum trying to find fake content.
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Oarfish's post is pretty bad - I feel like his WIFOM "I think I would have done otherwise as scum" blurb is out of place and possible evidence of newbscum, and I don't like how he discredits Sky's vote on him by pointing out irrelevant post structures. So what if he ISO'd other people before addressing you, hmm?
"I didn't have enough time to decide whether to actually vote PX or not, although I think if I were his buddy I would have made up a reason to vote Zak."
in response to Skypal saying it was suspicious how I didn't vote my scumbuddy PX when he was vote tied with Zak. I don't think you can call my post WIFOM without also calling his post that.
He ISOed other people, then voted me without ISOing me even though I didn't have that many posts. Not irrelevant.
Hey BT, you want some buzzword action? How's that rolefishing working out for you?
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Opinions on current wagons and vote, now. Then:
Sky said you didn't vote PX because he was your scumbuddy? Where?
Who cares what he ISO'd and what he didn't? I'm not even sure you're right about that and I'm not going to check because it's pointless. Is there something wrong with Sky's opinions?
(What part of "it's not a big deal for that person" did you not understand?)
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@bt:
today was supposed to be a nice relaxing day.
knowing that someone can visit you during twilight is scary. Until further notice, I am supposing that since no one has claimed to be the twilight visitor, they were actually scum.
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?dorian~ honestly the best way to convince me is simply to form something I see as a better case*? (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1132716.html#msg1132716)
are you bloody kidding me? I mean isn't that exactly what I ask you to do to begin with? you had your chance and you failed! <_< so it's still your turn to come up with a case to impress if you want to get rid of my vote*
hoverwer~ there is still no new PM from the mod~ so maybe I got a period of grace until my new cruel fate will be revealed~ or maybe I reached his heart with my last appeal to optimism ^u^ ~ who knows*
@CF7: I see you posting but I still don't see you voting~ how does that comes? ^^;
@BT: well* what I said about PX being bold was more about his scum reads as scum but what do I know~ my PX scum meta knowledge is even more outdated than conqs* but I know that he randomly called shadoweh town before~ so that's no point for town PX*
I would also love to hear why you think raikaria is town in some detail*
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>It's less than 24 hours to deadline, on D2.
>4 people don't even have votes down.
FFS people.
Read CF7's post now and I see I missed something. Okay, but that doesn't explain why you didn't provide something when you popped in before what would have been the original deadline?
Oarfish popping in just to defend himself and provide NOTHING ELSE is would lynch tier even with just a cursory comparison to the last game he played (where he was town). In fact I think this is even worse than CF7's nothingness. It doesn't help that I'm getting supreme jitters about Shadoweh. Seriously Shadoweh, where are you?
##Unvote
##Vote: Oarfish
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Dormio and CF7 are the only other lynches I'll accept. But after thinking about it Oarfish's content this game is more damning than either of them especially when viewed in tandem with his other town games.
I don't view Sky's behaviour change in the same light because his previous frequency of posting was completely out of hand. Even with the limited stuff he's posted in thread this game he still has more content than half the game. I don't agree with 2/3 of his scumpicks but after seeing some of the rest of you people post opinions I feel like I'm only on the same wavelength as a few of you.
Also, I hope Affinity is prodding people with extreme prejudice.
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Skypal: I unvoted Dormio because his reasoning behind voting PX made him look town.
I am also really interested in what reasoning he discovered for Dormio voting PX when Dormio gave no such reasoning and in fact hasn't done so even retroactively.
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@Oarfish
Skypal: I unvoted Dormio because his reasoning behind voting PX made him look town.
ORRRRR you didn't want to be caught on Dormio, who was voting PX, if PX flipped scum, right?
I didn't have enough time to decide whether to actually vote PX or not, although I think if I were his buddy I would have made up a reason to vote Zak.
I said this:
Oarfish came in near phase end and unvoted because no real reason when wagons were tied/close/something or other, town should have made a decision.
The one who is assuming you are scum buddies is you, so, I'll take that as confirmation you are buddies with PX. GG scums, nice knowing you.
Seems like you would have caught that, if you had done something more logical than ISO other people and then vote me.
That was your ISO. You had made four posts this game at this point in time so it wasn't exactly hard to do.
Post 1 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131484.html#msg1131484) - empty vote of Dormio.
Post 2 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131639.html#msg1131639) - rolefish on PX vig.
Post 3 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1132151.html#msg1132151) - empty unvote on Dormio.
Post 4 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1132156.html#msg1132156) - Flavor spec on Zak, rolespec on Sky/PX vig.
This is not exactly the stellar representation of towny motivation or scumhunting that I would expect from a town player. That's okay though, because I don't think you're town :)
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@PX (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1132527.html#msg1132527)
Please explain why you have an issue with this.
Other parts of the forums are not mafia. It is lame, not part of mafia.
It has been valid and effective to point out other player's activity in games prior to this one, why is it suddenly bad now?
Why?
Should I defend someone who I think is town? I think Shadoweh is good enough to handle that herself.
I agree. So I want to know why you want to arbitrarily handwave defend her, and then later say this.
Randomly calls me out for flavor gaming.
My bad, that was Raikaria. Sorry for getting stuff wrong when I was reading it at work on my phone during my lunch break while the forum was breaking everywhere.
No, it was Oarfish lol how coincidental. Followed up with an empty vote of Dormio. What, if I didn't call you on it, were you going to vote me for chasing after Oarfish and not pursuing you? Sheesh.
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We don't have a flip on either of PX or Oarfish for alignment matchups but I strongly feel these two are a scumpair. Jury is still out on Dan but I thought he was bad on the re-read and would sheep Dormio's case if we didn't have basically what is a scumslip from Oarfish imo.
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(If Oarfish and PX were a scumpair I'm pretty sure Oarfish would have voted Zak when the wagons were almost tied. I don't think they're a scumpair).
That said, I still think Oarfish is scum.
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You know it's hard for me to not railroad when I'm the only one posting when I am awake.
Also rail aria can't logic 101. Dorian keeping his vote where it was would have been apathy. Moving votes to an actual lynch target is proactive.
I still argue that moving the vote is apathy to the lynch while sticking to his guns [PX] and letting there be a decision is a better course of action. If he didn't care who got lynched he shouldn't have voted for either of them, instead of ruining what the majority of people who cared thought and letting it go to RNG.
A PX vote shows he did not support either wagon. His vote where he basically said 'lets leave to to lady luck' shows Dorian did not care who got lynched, or who the rest of the town thought was scummier. The two show entirely different things. To me sticking with PX is actually a better choice if you do not want either party lynched than forceing RNG. Forceing RNG is the ultimate display of apathy towards a lynch. Especially when you say that is your intent.
OK, I may regret this but here we go!
##Unvote
##Vote: CF7
May Lady Luck make her choice for the better.^^
I mean seriously. What about this post doesn't scream 'I don't care who gets lynched' to you?
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Also nice to see I'm not the only one thinking something is up with O4rfish. [I'm sure I mentioned this earlier].
Although atm there are multiple lurkers I would like to lynch lurky behavior for those players is usually normal-ish. It isn't for O4rfish. And usually a stark change in behavior is a scumtell.
I don't think O4rfish is as much of a priority as Dorian is right now [Dorian's done things I do not like; eg: Openly firceing the lynch to RNG; showing he didn't care about the lynch and disregarding the rest of the town's majority at the same time, weak Shadoweh vote, voting me basically for activity when the time posts are falling is really, really unconductive to my timezone.], but he's 2nd or 3rd in my lynch priorities. Unsure where I put CF7 in that list right now.
Also I think it's worth pointing out that while the vibes are not quite as bad, Shadoweh is seeming a noticeably less present. That said, maybe that's a towntell from her, since if I recall her most active games are scum @_@
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>_> Sorry, I got stuck at the airport and dealing with guests. I'm catching up and reading now. Only because you miss me so much Conqy.
I didn't visit BT during Twilight.
Just from a cursory look I think Dorian's posting looks obv-effort town (and obv-shroom-induced.) I don't know why Raikaria has such a problem with him, but the bone-headedness Raikaria is arguing with looks typically Long John Silver of him. Honestly, pushing for tied wagons just to test what happens doesn't seem like a bad idea to me.
I'm not sure how to feel about CF7 after reading 223: He kind of accdidentally softclaimed himself as a VT. I normally wouldn't go out of my way to mention that, but from a his perspective read it's kind of a glaring townslip to me.
Oarfish, if you visited BT during Twilight you should just say so instead of being obviously paranoid about it. >_> The other option is you being hypersensitive to BT prodding you and attacking his credibility in an incredibly silly way. I haven't looked back at yesterday so one post is a bit short for me to say if this is super scummy but, you should answer if you actually think BT is scummy for this.
Dan looks like Schezo is probably right, since no one seems to have flinched. Being right is a secret towntell for Dan, so etc.
My eyes are dying. I think right now I wouldn't be against voting Oarfish, but I don't really have a handle on anyone better. :/ Sorry you're getting 5am sleepless today, I'll try to actually read what all's out there tomorrow. (case in point: I didn't get why two people were voting Dorian, but it turns out I can't read). For now I'm just going to agree with Conqueror and hope he's not hiding fangs uder that giant head of his
##Vote: Oarfish
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(If Oarfish and PX were a scumpair I'm pretty sure Oarfish would have voted Zak when the wagons were almost tied. I don't think they're a scumpair).
That's..............................pretty damn solid.
One day I'll get a scum-association-pick. It's just not this day.
I'll stick to just frying Oarfish for now, basted in teriyaki sauce with a side of garlic prawns.
Dorian, do you have some kind of post restriction? I noticed your full stops are all stars and you're waiting for a mod pm so, did you break it?
Anyway, I'll dial my case back on Oarfish to 'empty votes, empty unvotes, unwilling to choose a wagon' as evidence of scummy fear of being unable to justify their actions without lying.
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:v people should declare their v/las because it makes it easier for the rest of us. Shadoweh is probably town for that post though?
@Raikaria: I see what you mean and yet I disagree because of the context. The CF7 wagon was a flashwagon 10 minutes to deadline so pretty much everyone on it was #YOLO, and I can see why someone who preferred PX over Zak might switch to CF7 at that point when the PX wagon basically jumped to CF7. And that post doesn't scream I don't care who gets lynched, it screams to me, well, here goes nothing! And I'm pretty sure most of us on the CF7 wagon were hoping for a CF7 flip over a Zak one at that point. >_>
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Okay, but that doesn't explain why you didn't provide something when you popped in before what would have been the original deadline?
Because i didn't want to vote for either of Shadoweh or Zak, that is. That's why i said i was at a loss.
Anyway, i am willing to lunch O4rfish into stratosphere.
##Vote O4rfish
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Anyway, I'll dial my case back on Oarfish to 'empty votes, empty unvotes, unwilling to choose a wagon' as evidence of scummy fear of being unable to justify their actions without lying.
I voted Dormio because of this post. (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131465.html#msg1131465)
I unvoted him because of this post. (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131926.html#msg1131926)
Claiming them to be empty is a pretty big misrep.
As for unwilling to choose a wagon, I simply didn't have the time to read enough to make a good decision about which of the wagons to vote.
Shadoweh: you'll note BT has claimed the ability was nothing to hide, but he hasn't said anything about what it was. In fact, if he didn't seem like he was rolefishing so much I might guess it was a smokescreen, and there was no twilight visitor.
After all, what is the thing you think of most when you think of twilight (in a mafia game, not books or movies or cartoons)?
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Conq: remember, my meta is to not be scum ever.
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Meta: I think 48 hour day phases are terrible, even more so after day one.
@mod Can we get 72 hour day phases, please?
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I like these 48 hour days though. Shrug!
Don't know what Oarfish is getting at. Why is your immediate reaction to think that I'm smokescreening / lying? Why are you replying to some people and ignoring others? Why aren't you voting anyone? Can you claim?
I remember some past game where Oarfish was as useless as he is here but a search of the archives gave me nothing. I'm pretty sure I'm not hallucinating, though. Regardless, on the one hand this Oarfish is pretty different from the Awareness of Color one (people can make sure I'm right about this?) but on the other I'd think first time scum Oarfish would be more active than this.
Anyway, I think I will divulge more info after thinking about it. Someone passed me an item during twilight and I have no idea what it does or if it does anything because of bastard elements. It allows the holder to pass it along with a 100 word message, so the first person told me it's supposed to be good to town and bad to scum, but that's impossible to confirm and even if first person is town it's possible the mod lied, because overnight I got a "vision" that made it out to be a dangerous little thing. I plan to use it as a communication device because I can't confirm any of its other uses if they even exist. Hopefully it's not a hot potato bomb because I'd want to keep it in the possession of town and all.
I wanted the first person to come out because there's no reason not to - he may have a role or may not have one for all anyone knows, and if he's scum I can limit their future courses of action if the information is out here. If Oarfish is the first person then he's being silly by reacting like this, or, you know, scum.
On to other things. I'm reasonably certain all of Raikaria, Sky and Dorian are town. Shadoweh said more or less what I wanted to say on Dorian and Raikaria. Dorian's way of pressing me over and over is something I don't think is coming from scum. Raikaria is slightly obvtown because of what I tried explaining earlier, and usually when Raikaria looks a little town it's equal to saying "Raikaria looks really, really town", because he's usually harder to get a clear read on. Do I need to talk about Sky too? I don't know, instead of trying to find the right words I'll just say that they've convinced me they're good, scumhunting townies, even if you disagree with their arguments. I agree Shadoweh's latest post was good, but now SB is gone somewhere, probably smash.
Didn't Dorian say he failed to target Dormio last night? What's up with that, Dormio? This also ties in with what CF7 said about thinking this game only has a cop and doc - the fact that Dorian and possibly Dormio might have powers already lessens the chance that this game has low power, and as scum CF7 would have been more aware of that kind of thing. So yes, let's not lynch CF7 today, but can the guy please get his opinion on things so I don't feel as horrible about his slot?
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Mafia is a thing that I'm meant to be doing, right?
Will drop Dan because I'm cool with Dan's responses to me.
I still don't like Raikaria though.
##Unvote
##Vote Raikaria
Shit like this post (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131986.html#msg1131986) makes me really uneasy given that the post in its entirety is basically Raikaria chainsaw defending Shadoweh.
It probably doesn't help that I have bad feelings about Shadoweh as well but that requires further reading.
I'm not really a big fan of Raikaria's Dorian case either and I feel like it's kind of forced.
I could switch to O4rfish but I haven't really read him and the only reason I'd really be switching to O4rfish would be that I like the people who are voting for O4rfish but whatever.
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Lalafell Rools!
CF7: Mitsuki, NNR (2)
Dormio: BT, PX (2)
Raikaria: Dorian, Dormio (2)
O4rfish: Sky_Paladin, Conqueror, Shadoweh, CF7 (4)
Dorian: Raikaria (1)
Sky Paladin: SB (1)
With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch.
11 hours until you die~ (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141004T19&p0=80&msg=End+of+D2&csz=1)
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*coughs*
not to forget dormio~ I targeted him last night but it failed~ don't know if I got role blocked or if my mushrooms just doesn't worked on him~ however he has no idea how much fun he's missing~ nor do I* cause I have no idea what my mushrooms actually do*^^;;
Dormio are you ascetic.
Also your cases are bad. If you have a bad feeling about Shadoweh you have a recent post of hers to talk about. If you want to lynch Raikaria you have his D2 to talk about. All you're putting up is bad opinions on people who are more likely to be town than other certain wagons. This (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1132552.html#msg1132552) is Dan's "responses" to you; a bit superficial that you're fine with dropping him like that.
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Don't know what Oarfish is getting at. Why is your immediate reaction to think that I'm smokescreening / lying?
Define "immediate"
I remember some past game where Oarfish was as useless as he is here but a search of the archives gave me nothing. I'm pretty sure I'm not hallucinating, though. Regardless, on the one hand this Oarfish is pretty different from the Awareness of Color one (people can make sure I'm right about this?) but on the other I'd think first time scum Oarfish would be more active than this.
Dormio's game
Didn't Dorian say he failed to target Dormio last night? What's up with that, Dormio?
OMG
##Vote: BT
By the way, I disagree with how Shadoweh and BT are labeling CF7 as town based on his rolespec post
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Dormio are you ascetic.
Am I?
If you have a bad feeling about Shadoweh you have a recent post of hers to talk about.
:effort: and I want to go to sleep soon.
If you want to lynch Raikaria you have his D2 to talk about.
But Raikaria's D2 is basically "lolDorian" and I think it looks like bullshit so yeah.
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Define "immediate"
This part: In fact, if he didn't seem like he was rolefishing so much I might guess it was a smokescreen, and there was no twilight visitor.
Like the natural reaction to my posts is to think that I'm faking the twilight thing for some reason. What actually happened is out there now - am I still rolefishing or does it not matter?
OMG
##Vote: BT
If you're (general "you") ascetic you want to announce it so roles aren't wasted on you, especially town ones. More information = better for town. If Dormio isn't then it's useful to know that Dorian is essentially claiming roleblocked or some variant.
You disagree with our reads but you're still not supplying any of your own. You've done nothing proactive but these attempts at getting something on me.
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@Sky_Paladin:
Sadly no, it's in da rulez you signed up to!
1. Days are 48 hours long for the first two days, and 72 hours long for subsequent days. All nights are 24 hours long.
There will be 72 hour-days only after tonight.
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1. N2 is the night of the full moon, when the Scarlets traditionally convert a human into a vampire Mafia Goon (no special abilities). This is the only conversion role in the game. Everyone will be notified in-topic as to whether it is successful.
According to this, there is probably some role which can prevent it from being successful.
Asking for role-related information which could directly influence the decision of the scum team regarding who to induct, would NOT be in town's best interest.
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I read most of Medaka's D2 and Oarfish's posts weren't that great but had a different air about them? He at least had a clear direction, and then put some serious effort into things, like a list of interactions. And he subbed in on D2. In this game he's done nothing, his immediate suspicion of my twilight thing doesn't make sense unless he's the one who gave me the item and is really paranoid, in which case arguing that "if not for heavy rolefishing I would have thought it was a lie" is extremely bad when he knows it's not a lie.
CUT: Oh. That completely slipped my mind. Okay, your vote makes more sense now. Can you give me your thought process since this day started? You didn't like Sky's post, then you kind of forgot about it, and now you're trying to do this. What about Dormio, or CF7? A few posts ago you disliked how some people townread CF7... without giving your opinion on the CF7 wagon, which is like some weird cheerleading. If you're town, tell me what you're doing being generally unhelpful and focusing on things that you feel like you can push on the spot instead of analyzing the game and scumhunting.
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Asking for role-related information which could directly influence the decision of the scum team regarding who to induct, would NOT be in town's best interest.
On the topic of asking for role-related information:
Also don't like him pushing for claims as well due to this possibility. Especially since PX had already claimed before in the thread, showing he hadn't even read PX's posts, despite being voting for him.
Due to these factors I think I will start the day voting Dorian.
#Vote: Dorian
A reminder of the rolefishing post:
Here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1132185.html#msg1132185)
I like it when people say things I've already said a while later. It's nice.
And Dormio, it's not like much has actually happened Day 2. Half the players are lurking. So of course I'm not going to do much except push Dorian during Day 2 because nothing else is happening. Besides, I mentioned my dislike of O4rfish, although this is wearing off a bit after his more recent posts, although I don't exactly agree with him voting for BT.
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And no Dormio; I'm not chainsaw defending Shadoweh. I'm attacking weak cases.
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Also on a completely unrelated note whenever I go onto page 8 it asks me for a password for some random avatar thing.
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but now SB is gone somewhere, probably smash.
Pretty much. Gonna read back through now.
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I won't be around the deadline again. /sigh
Also, after reading O4rfish latest posts, i don't think that he's actually scum.
##Unvote
I'll place my vote a bit later today, when i get home from work and reread the thread.
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Miqo'te Drool!
CF7: Mitsuki, NNR (2)
Dormio: BT, PX (2)
Raikaria: Dorian, Dormio (2)
O4rfish: Sky_Paladin, Conqueror, Shadoweh (3)
Dorian: Raikaria (1)
Sky Paladin: SB (1)
BT: O4rfish (1)
Unvoting democracy-hating communists: CF7 (1)
With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch.
8 hours until cats, cats everywhere! (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141004T19&p0=80&msg=End+of+D2&csz=1)
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Back from smash. I'll read and post after food.
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Doing quick math tells me deadline is 1am my time.
So I won't be around for it.
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ooo prods.
##Vote Skypal
until I read Oarfish.
Less convinced CF7 is scum.
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I had two options at the time~ either stay with my PX vote or get a 50% chance to save the guy I thought were town* ?may lady luck make her choice for the better*? and the better choice would have been cf7~ hence my vote! ^^ so would be quite lovely of you if you could stop repeating this misrepresentation*^^;
where is even the benefit for scum me to tie the wagons? why have I done this when I don't care who gets lynched? I could have happily stayed with my easy to justify PX vote~ to wait for the incoming mislynch* so I am not only scum~ I am also dumb? ^^; is it that? <_<
and what kind of twisted logic is that anyway? you assume scum me by the point that I didn't cared about the lynch~ which isn't even true and use this to assume town cf7? >_> or do you have reasons to think cf7 is town~ aside from me being scum? 0_0
and yay~ how you got me there* I ask the player that I suspected~ who was about to be lynched~ to claim and that twice~ cause I missed the first time he claimed* yay totally rolefishing! ^^;;
I mean if rolefishing is such a thing for you~ then why did you missed the fact that BT only asked PX to claim~which he not even suspected but never asked zakeri to claim~ the one he wanted lynched in the end? and his call for the one that targeted wasn't a thing to talk about for you either*
a clear case of selected perception~ if you ask me* wasn't BT not suspicious too based on the marvelous conclusion you drawn from your analysis of the shadoweh wagon? what happened with that? 0_0
And when I already talk about your suspicion~ lets take a look at your points about o4rfish* the first time you talk about him is here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1132615.html#msg1132615)~ a unspecific agreement with sky and a non-telling offhand commend~ that's all! ^^; and the next time you mentioned him (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1132819.html#msg1132819) do you sound like you had a case on him all along or something when you didn't even had clear reason to suspect him~ so what's up with that? ^^;
and now to the fish himself~ what's actually the case against him? I don't see where the benefit is for scum4fish to empty unvote at the end of day* he could have just sit there on his dormio vote~ watch the zakeri lynch ~ eat popcorn and not drawing any unwanted attention*
and I know that his lack of direction looks bad but that also implicates a lack of help here~ doesn't it? ^^;
come on girls~ I know we can do better than lynching the odd looking guy* (sorry~ no offence meant ^^; )
@sky: yes~ I am post restricted* and sadly yes again~ I missed to adding a ?!? somewhere day one* that lead to it becoming aggravated and I failed to post according to my new restriction in my second post today~ hence my little panic outburst back then* ^^;;
however~ sooner or later do I have to face the consequences anyway* so I will happily accept any new challenge the mod will give me~ ze! \^u^/ yay~ for unreasonable optimism!
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SORRY GUYS SMASH HAPPENED AGAIN. But I'm here now, and the only wagons I would support are Dormio, CF7 and Oarfish. Everyone else except NNR are varying shades of townie to me right now. It annoys me because I feel like I could solve the game if not for the recruit, but >.>
I reread PAD and Dormio actually played there and had an ongoing thought process in his posts, whereas here he just makes a wallpost on someone and kind of disregards everyone else, which is pretty much what he did in Mirai Nikki too I think? Even after he spent a lot of D1 on a Raikaria tunnel he has said like... nothing on him since then and I don't expect that he would give up on the case that easily if he was town? I can see him switching to Dan or whatever but I think he would at least keep looking in Raikaria's direction (and no, saying "I'd sheep a Raikaria wagon" doesn't count.)
I agree with the Oarfish suspicions because it feels like he isn't doing very much, and the content he has seems to be super defensive. It also feels like he turns around his defenses into attacks on other people (see: what he did to Sky) and his "my meta is never rolling scum" which is hilarious but it also feels like he's saying "yeah I can never be scum stop voting me" and um... I actually looked at why the post that caused him to unvote Dormio? Why the fuck would this post ever make you unvote someone? (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131926.html#msg1131926)
CF7 is admittedly a lower priority than the other two (actually, after reading his posts again, no he isn't), but I read his Mitsuki case and it's kind of what? It's basically pure OMGUS and calls her scummy for reasons that should be more or less null? He also says that all of the wagons sucked but then did nothing to provide a counterwagon and was just kind of there being useless. I also think that his points about PX are scummy as fuck? Yes, vanilla isn't provable but why would scum!PX want to claim that whilst time is counting down, most roles aren't provable unless you're in role madness (eg, tracker tracking a claimed vanilla to nowhere doesn't prove the tracker because the info is already out there, etc) so it looks like you're just trying to stop people townreading him rather than suggesting he's scum which is horrible.
##Unvote
##Vote: CF7
Shadoweh's recent post is good, and Skypal actually has some energy in his posts now, so I'm feeling better on both of them. Lynching PX is dumb because his deadline posts looked obvtown and I don't get the votes on him at all today.
I missed this before but Mitsuki saying she wants to keep playing despite activity issues makes me think that she's probably town? I remember after a recent SF game finished where we were scumbuddies she said over Skype that she didn't want to roll scum again for a while? I feel like she would've just agreed to bail as scum or something, and her cases are way less outrageous than what she pushed in that game.
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I had two options at the time~ either stay with my PX vote or get a 50% chance to save the guy I thought were town* ?may lady luck make her choice for the better*? and the better choice would have been cf7~ hence my vote! ^^ so would be quite lovely of you if you could stop repeating this misrepresentation*^^;
where is even the benefit for scum me to tie the wagons? why have I done this when I don't care who gets lynched? I could have happily stayed with my easy to justify PX vote~ to wait for the incoming mislynch* so I am not only scum~ I am also dumb? ^^; is it that? <_<
and what kind of twisted logic is that anyway? you assume scum me by the point that I didn't cared about the lynch~ which isn't even true and use this to assume town cf7? >_> or do you have reasons to think cf7 is town~ aside from me being scum? 0_0
Uh; I never said CF7 is town. I guess he would be by association if you flip scum [Since you didn't care which of the two got lynched; which; if you were scum would signal both were town]; but honestly it doesn't look like we're lynching you today anyway. And your apathy towards the lynch is not the sole reason I am voting; but also your weak cases. And I'm not the only one to call you out on them; BT did too.
Anyway I'm gonna read, think, and do some other stuff and come back in about 2 hours before I start getting ready to sleep. It's pretty clear that we're not lynching Dorian today regardless of how much I think it's the right choice to do so [And honestly last time I thought this I was wrong so maybe you're right to not follow me down the path of lynching Dorian?]. I guess CF7; Dormio and O4rfish are the main things on the plate right now. And me. But I'm not lynching me.
My current opinions on the wagons before I go to think and re-read are:
CF7: I've been pretty null on him most of the game; and honestly I've avoided making my mind up on him because a Dorian flip that I was pushing for would grant an associative read by my logic. Primary re-read target.
Dormio: Kinda hard to not be biased since I don't think Dormio has made a post without indicating he wants to lynch me all game long. That said; he's done little of note except tunnel me. Sure he voted someone else at some point but even then he was mostly talking about wanting to lynch me.
O4rfish: Getting good vibes from his recent posts, even if I don't agree with his BT vote. You don't have to agree with someone to think they might be town. Previous had a bad read due to unusually low activity and what there was being unimpressive but that's kinda been explained now.
These are of course subject to change based on me mulling things over, wagon status [It might be a case of not me over me, or the one I want lynched could suddenly not be viable], and of course any posts before I come back.
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Cut by Invisionfree messing up and SB
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Dormio's game
You replaced in for a lurker slot and your play was completely different, so no? :V Replacement games are a pretty bad comparison point anyway.
Wavering over Oarfish's latest posts but all he's done is attack BT for rolefishing. It's a valid complaint but he doesn't seem to consider that BT could be rolefishing town who forgot the implications of claiming ascetic/whatever. It's also very superficial, compared to all of Oarfish's previous games where he went off on conspiracy land based off of a few posts. Oarfish pointing out he's never been scum before actually supports my point because I think in this game he's first time scum who hasn't figured out how to fake opinions yet.
Here. Oarfish, what about Dormio's PX post made you unvote. And sure, I can accept that you had no time to read and choose suspects, were it not 48 *2 hours into the game. Even given your birthday (happy birthday btw) I feel that as town here you'd have more to show than a few cursory suspicions.
Addendum: I may have something to do with BT's overnight vision, although not the twilight thing. Pretty sure the vision is a red herring.
PX just because we saved you D1 doesn't mean you can lurk out D2. >_> Get in here.
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Oh wait, PX posted a few posts above me. I'm great at reading.
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and now to the fish himself~ what's actually the case against him? I don't see where the benefit is for scum4fish to empty unvote at the end of day* he could have just sit there on his dormio vote~ watch the zakeri lynch ~ eat popcorn and not drawing any unwanted attention*
and I know that his lack of direction looks bad but that also implicates a lack of help here~ doesn't it? ^^;
Prods exist and 2 of them well get you modkilled I think. Also, I figure he unvoted Dormio just to get off his early vote, and then forgot about or couldn't think of getting another vote by the end of the day.
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*Faceplams*
Ugh there is so little content to go off this game; especially regarding the primary wagons.
It's still between CF7 and Dormio if I'm going to go on the primary wagons. CF7 has posted a fair bit but not much actual substance exists in the posts. It feels like active lurking to some degree; especially during Day 2.
There's also his vote on Mitsuki; which is pretty much, as others pointed out, OMGUS. CF7 is literally voting Mitsuki for 'bringing this up now'. I don't get why Mitsuki backed off when challenged but whatever; I don't like that by CF7.
CF7's play feels reactionary. I don't see him actually scumhunting or making cases.
On the other hand, Dormio is almost the opposite. He's not really been active at all, and most of the time he has been showing... minor signs of attempting to make a case. Albeit poor ones on me which verge on tunneling. He almost seems to ignore almost everything else going on; which is the opposite for the reactionary play out of CF7. It's not really proactive but ugh.
To be honest I don't really like either of them this game. And it sucks having to choose between them; especially when neither are my primary scumread [That's Dorian].
I do not agree with lynching O4rfish at this current juncture. Good thing about this game is I don't mess up lynches by not lynching O4rfish. O4rfish just needs majority if the town wants otherwise. But I'd rather O4rfish not be lynched over CF7/Dormio.
Also what is this supposed to mean?
ooo prods.
##Vote Skypal
until I read Oarfish.
Less convinced CF7 is scum.
Vote: Skypal until I read Oarfish? What does this even mean? It's nonsensical. I didn't comment on this before but thinking about it now it cropped up in re-reads.
Honestly I wouldn't mind seeing Actiondan on the chopping block too. His entire game has been rather... bad.
Screw it; I'll do this just to see what the reaction to it is and if there's support. I'll be back later and maybe I'll have made my mind up on Dormio or CF7 by then. There certainly is a valid case for lynching [In]ActionDan. I feel he's just been lurking out the game and what content he has provided, if it can even be called 'content' is poor and nonsensical [see: Sky vote].
#Unvote
#Vote: ActionDan
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Also this is like 70% gut. I can't really make a solid case on ActionDan since there's so little to use.
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It's basically pure OMGUS and calls her scummy for reasons that should be more or less null?
Her reaction was bad. Too defensive. So it was an OMGUS vote.
Anyway. I am not sure who i really want to vote for. Since no one really stands out too scummy to me. I don't like PX for his earlier NNR case. I can continue pushing for Mitsuki lynch that is not happening. I am a little concerned about Dorian "saving the player he thought was town". Plus there's Dan and his lurkiness, but i am not sure if it's his normal lurkiness or not. But it'is all kind of minor things. Or i can do really illogical thing and vote for Conq, since he seems to be the towniest, and my towniest reads usually turn out to be scum. =)
Actually let's go with PX.
##Vote PX
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@conq: you get prodded for not making a vote in this game~ not for holding a vote* in that case were I and raikaria both already in for prods~ which as far as I know didn't happened*
speak of the devil! why do you think it's such a big problem for him to give me the few answers that I want? ^^;
I know town raikaria is stubborn about his reads~ so I give the votepark aspect not that much weight but the fact that he used his misrep mantra to constantly dodge my questions all day makes me think that I nailed down scum here!^^
or am I really the only one who sees the inconsistency in his opinions?^^;
I still see a chance to get the scum in frond of my lynched~ which makes me happy*^^
so don't try to make me sad conq* ^^;
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4. Prods will be given if a vote has not been made in 24 hours (as a flexible measure of inactivity). Being prodded twice is grounds for modkill.
A: It's flexible. If you're posting content you're obviously active.
B: Holding a vote and doing nothing else is not activity. Any mod would reasonably be expected to prod for that. By unvoting he is "making a vote for no lynch" and is showing some activity instead of none.
Which questions of yours did Raikaria dodge?
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CF7 really seems to want to make me vote him with stuff like "I may want to vote my townreads because they might turn out scum" as offhand comments. Was about to say I prefer Dormio / Oarfish and therefore swap to Oarfish. PX and Raikaria and anything else shouldn't be wagons. Off to reread a bit.
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Okay, rereading Oarfish mainly because I want to see if I missed that his reponses to my posts look townish (judging by reactions of other players).
From #253 I'm inferring that Oarfish failed to vote at the end of D1 because he couldn't justify one, be it from town's POV or scum's. Not for lack of trying. (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1132156.html#msg1132156) Would Town Oarfish really start reading the thread and then abort because it was too hard with the amount of time he had? Dunno, prefer "no" to "yes" because just picking a wagon, even if the choice is weak, is better than not voting at all to avoid being committed to a vote. More fuel to the newbscum theory.
I read it again and I still think Oarfish's dislike of my pubclaim comes out of the blue. Even if he disliked #236 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1132750.html#msg1132750), it's a pretty big leap from that to "if he didn't seem like he was rolefishing so much I might guess it was a smokescreen, and there was no twilight visitor". Is this just an Oarfish Thing? It might be. I still think his reaction was uncalled for. "you'll note BT has claimed the ability was nothing to hide, but he hasn't said anything about what it was" - why is that weird? And so on.
By the way, I disagree with how Shadoweh and BT are labeling CF7 as town based on his rolespec post
Still bad in the absense of an opinion on CF7. Where does this come from and why is Oarfish concerned over it and not over CF7 himself?
If [Oarfish is] town, tell me what [he's] doing being generally unhelpful and focusing on things that [he feels] like [he] can push on the spot instead of analyzing the game and scumhunting.
Am I missing something?
##Unvote Dormio
##Vote Oarfish
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I'm guessing from the lack of discussion about Actiondan that people don't want to lynch him.
Alright; it's basically half 10 and I'm going to sleep soon so I need to make a choice.
O4rfish wagon seems to be growing but I kinda have a good feeling about his later D2; while I feel back about his content before then. Meanwhile CF7/Dormio I don't like their entire content. That's why I see those two wagons above O4rfish. [I don't townread O4rfish; he is just lower on lynch priority. He's like 5th right now, after Dorian, Dormio/CF7; and Actiondan]
With BT unvoting from Dormio I guess the path is clear. I would rather see one of Dormio or CF7 lynched over O4rfish; simply because I get good vibes from his late Day 2; at least in comparison to the other posts on the table from the three primary wagon players. The most likely counterwagon to O4rfish is CF7. I'm not too sure how to justify the CF7 vote without sounding like a parrot of other players, it's mainly their points which convince me [Such as the OMGUS accusations; which I agree with]; aside from me saying I think a lot of CF7's posts lack any real substance despite him being here.
Eh; I hope I'm making the correct choice. I need to make a choice before I sleep and I'd rather be contributing my vote to something meaningful. So I'll vote for the potential lynch candidate which I like the idea of lynching best.
#Unvote
#Vote: CF7
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Also I consider the points against O4rfish valid; I just find CF7 worse in my opinion.
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I reread CF7. I'm not comfortable with a CF7 wagon. I still lean towards the "cop and maybe doc" line being a towntell. Here's the quote:
Also i am town. Zak is also town. So it was town/town which is not good, but oh, well. Also i think that aside from cop and maybe doc the rest of the roles are simple VT's.
Again, scum would know if this is true or not, and we already have signs of PR-ness or at least non-VT-ness from... three players? Four if you're speculative? It's much more likely that CF7 is VT and made the observation with that and prior VT claims in mind. Some of the more daunting parts of his posts (the Mitsuki vote, the Oarfish sheep, the reaction to people clearing PX) don't look as bad if you're looking through these lens!
I think a lot of his stances are actually reminiscent of last game's Town CF7 -
Also, current wagons are not appealing to me. Like at all. Shadoweh is likely town. Not so sure about Zakeri, i won't lynch him either.
Also, after reading O4rfish latest posts, i don't think that he's actually scum.
##Unvote
Nice and genuine-sounding.
I think Dormio is actually my preferred vote because if I'm wrong about Oarfish, it's probably one scum out of Oarfish/CF7 and one scum out of... Dormio. He gels well with everyone because he's just sniping bad targets with weak cases. But it doesn't seem like that's gonna happen today.
Cut.
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Help me figure out what strikes you as town about Oarfish's latest posts.
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With Raikaria and I, Dormio wagon will have 3 votes. I don't want to split votes needlessly so does a Dormio wagon sound good to people?
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I prefer Dormio to CF7 but I prefer Oarfish over Dormio.
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A Dormio wagon doesn't sound good to me. :(
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Why would VT!CF7 approach PX's claim the way he did though? Saying that someone has an easy fakeclaim that can't be proven is bullshit if you have the same role that they do.
CF7: I don't see what was awfully wrong with Mitsuki's D1 vote considering the time it was made, and if she hasn't had time to actually read up you can't really fault her D2 one either. Going after PX now AFTER his NNR stuff quietened down feels more like desperate scum than town too, why wouldn't you pressure him at the time it was being made rather than waiting until he dropped it in order to attack it?
Sorry Raikaria but Dan and Dorian are town. Is it bad that after last game my reaction is to want to switch my vote the wagon you think is townier? >.>
I can get behind a Dormio wagon but idk if I would prioritize him over CF7 and Oarfish.
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And no Dormio; I'm not chainsaw defending Shadoweh. I'm attacking weak cases.
That all happened to be on Shadoweh. :D
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@conq: it was mostly about his analysis of the shadoweh wagon* day one he was clearly suspecting BT~ SB and me for our votes on her* but all that's left of it was the case on me*
I ask him for his current opinion on SB~ forgotten*
I ask him why he sees BT as town now~ nothing*
and raikarias play today brought even more questions~ why the need to give o4rfish a clear now when he never gave a reason why he suspected him in the first place? ^^;
and why this sudden dan vote? which I don't agree with by the way* shouldn't it be SB as the the next one in line on his list of suspects? 0_0
and this inconsistency is the reason why I want him lynched right now~ the misrep case on me is just the noise he makes to hide the fact that he pulls his reads out of his sleeves!^^
are we happy now? cause I am for sure! ^u^
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Ok, I'm here for a while. Let me ISO main wagons.
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I'd really appreciate to have a new votecount, by the way.
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mafia sucks
O4rfish: Sky_Paladin, Conqueror, Shadoweh, BT (4)
CF7: Mitsuki, NNR, SB (3)
Raikaria: Dorian, Dormio (2)
Dormio: PX (1)
ActionDan: Raikaria (1)
Sky Paladin: ActionDan (1)
BT: O4rfish (1)
PX: CF7 (1)
With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch.
PHASE END (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141004T19&p0=80&msg=End+of+D2&csz=1)
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Also, there are claims going around by people that my reads are inconsistent or whatever and yet people aren't really looking all that closely at Raikaria for whatever reason.
I guess it's because he's got a bad case on Dorian that people believe is genuine for some reason?
Upon rereading, none of Raikaria's D1 actually really amounts to anything.
It's like, he's got this (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131643.html#msg1131643) little case on CF7 which is complete bullshit because herpderp statistics.
And then he votes Zakeri here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131944.html#msg1131944) for saying he'll be back later.
And then the next post (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131986.html#msg1131986) is chainsaw defending Shadoweh for whatever godawful reason.
And then the remainder of his content for the day is "I don't give a fuck about reading other people we should lynch Zakeri".
~Go to happy tomorrow~
I feel like the case on Dorian here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1132615.html#msg1132615) is complete bullshit and something Raikaria pulled out of nowhere to make it look like he's doing something awesome.
Also, things like this-
And Dormio, it's not like much has actually happened Day 2. Half the players are lurking. So of course I'm not going to do much except push Dorian during Day 2 because nothing else is happening.
-amuse me.
Things that make me feel even worse about Raikaria with how this day has gone is how easily influenced he seems to be by the game's flow.
Like, yeah, whatever.
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Roegadyn are... OK, I guess!
CF7: Mitsuki, NNR, SB, Raikaria (4)
Dormio: PX (1)
Raikaria: Dorian, Dormio (2)
O4rfish: Sky_Paladin, Conqueror, Shadoweh, BT (4)
Sky Paladin: InactionDan (1)
BT: O4rfish (1)
PX: CF7 (1)
Unvoting democracy-hating communists: (0)
With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch.
3 hours left! (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141004T19&p0=80&msg=End+of+D2&csz=1)
Just because the mods forget you're playing isn't reason to stop posting and voting!
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woah 3 hours ok.
I'll get around to reading in an hour.
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woah 3 hours ok.
I'll get around to reading in an hour.
:V
Why would VT!CF7 approach PX's claim the way he did though? Saying that someone has an easy fakeclaim that can't be proven is bullshit if you have the same role that they do.
I think it was more "this shouldn't be a basis to clear someone". There's nothing really bullshit about it? I don't think he's talking about the VT claim being strange for being a VT claim, just... not meaningful, and then "he could be lying" sounds like CF7 was talking about the specific flavor because he thinks people think PX's flavor is important. I don't know, I'll just stop but I don't see what you're seeing. I will say that CF7 is ignoring the fact that this ISN'T why people read PX as town after D1.
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Maybe people have already brought up some of this stuff but well.
CF7: I previously stated here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131957.html#msg1131957) that I thought he was scummy because of general reactiveness and tendency to discredit people. Same goes for this (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131995.html#msg1131995) post. Wording also seems to hold no real conviction in some parts ("you don't win townie points", "it does not look town to me"... quotes may not be 100% accurate) I think CF7 would hold more conviction when genuinely casing someone.
Also you are quite strongly accuse me of being scummy and want to lynch me. Yet in your latest post you are willing to switch to someone else "for consolidation purposes". Which is not really a good reason to abandon your strongest scum read, instead of pushing for said read lynch, to be honest.
Mitsuki simply voted because of Zak's lurking at the time and she at least wanted to have someone lynched.
In the second quote CF7 implies that the same stuff that he uses to case me (first quote) is null. As much as I can see town forgetting about their cases, I don't think they'd go from finding someone scummy to finding it null.
There's also an inconsistency on his opinion on PX between this two (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1132623.html#msg1132623) posts (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1132929.html#msg1132929), both from D2. PX cased NNR on D1, and CF7 states that he's more or less null other than his character claim. Why would he bring up PX's NNR case as something scummy afterwards? This looks like scum being unable to find stuff to case people and trying to get people to lynch someone else.
Overall: Looks like he's been looking for excuses to vote people and his tone reads as scummy. I don't think I'll change my vote.
I'll ISO Oarfish and go to sleep, if you want me to give my opinion on something else tell me and I'll see what I can do.
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People weren't townreading PX solely because he claimed VT though? It was partially due to the circumstances of the claim which he completely ignored, and he didn't really try to case PX until just now. The character thing is also silly because scum will have nameclaims considering there's two characters who are confirmed scum in the flavour?
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Why would VT!CF7 approach PX's claim the way he did though? Saying that someone has an easy fakeclaim that can't be proven is bullshit if you have the same role that they do.
People do dumb things and suspect people based on flavour.
Although reading through CF7's iso I noticed one thing.
Because i didn't want to vote for either of Shadoweh or Zak, that is. That's why i said i was at a loss.
Shadoweh wasn't even a wagon at that point. It was Zak. Your opinion on PX has been fluctuating a lot. What did you think about him at the end of D1, and how did he go from not a top scum pick at the beginning of today to whatever he is now?
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*It was Zak and PX
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Oarfish is totally null to me, nothing makes him scummy or townie other than what I previously stated that he had been doing nothing in mafia while being around MotK, but he's posted more during D2 so I don't really think it's telling.
Don't lynch PX, his general behaviour has been terrible but I don't think he'd go and try to case NNR like that as scum, it looked like genuine bias. Sorry PX but it's true.
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Oarfish is totally null to me, nothing makes him scummy or townie other than what I previously stated that he had been doing nothing in mafia while being around MotK, but he's posted more during D2 so I don't really think it's telling.
What about the fact that he's basically active lurking?
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I realized CF7 probably isn't going to be around to answer my question, lol. :derp:
Meh, I could see CF7 as apathetic scum. I could also see CF7 as apathetic town though. This is part of why I prefer the Oarfish lynch.
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I.... don't really see CF7 as scum :| Still reading, but I'll try to decide between Oarfish and Dormio.
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Those contradictions aren't really contradictions (I can come up with solid narratives for the Mitsuki and PX suspicions), and it wouldn't be something that makes or breaks a case on CF7. My take on CF7 right now is that even though his opinions are weak, I can see him having them and acting upon them like he has so far. Oarfish's play on the other hand reeks of not caring about wagons and taking defensive stances instead of something I can see as organic suspicions. I mean, sure, CF7 did the same thing with you (Mitsuki), but he's overall more involved. Take his latest post - "Since no one really stands out too scummy to me..." - I can see Town CF7 in this position, where he isn't showing any proof of scumhunting but at least seems to have opinions, whereas Oarfish is just... a lot of his movements come off as scummy behavior a lot more absolutely.
I'm not at the point where I want to stomp on the CF7 wagon but I'm honestly close enough.
We still don't have claims which is abominable.
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PX vote Oarfish. Dorian and Dan, vote Oarfish! CF7 and Oarfish can stay on useless wagons if they want. :fail:
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Reading Oarfish was really easy because there's nothing there :|
Unvote
Vote Oarfish
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w/e. there isn't much there tbh.
let's extract the claim first.
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The Pear Tree Is Laden With Fruit
CF7: Mitsuki, NNR, SB, Raikaria (4)
Raikaria: Dorian, Dormio (2)
O4rfish: Sky_Paladin, Conqueror, Shadoweh, BT, PX (5)
Sky Paladin: ActionDan (1)
BT: O4rfish (1)
PX: CF7 (1)
With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch.
1 hour left! (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141004T19&p0=80&msg=End+of+D2&csz=1)
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Home \o/ Ran upstairs to see if anything amazing happened at day end, see claims haven't happened yet >:C
I'll be back in like a half hour after eatan, O'm still good with my votes
Dormio would be an okay choice for me seeing as he hates me for inexplicable reasons.
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@BT: tell me~ why should I bow to your demands when you don't even feel the need to address my case?^^; especially when I still not agree with the wagon you suggest*
where is the benefit for scum4rfish in his acts? what's the scum intent behind it? I know that scum doesn't plays flawless but if your case stands on assumptions like newbie-scum/flawed scum play~ then you only go for bad play in disguise* which isn't actually convincing!
you may call it useless but I enjoy my vote where it is~ on who I think is most likely scum! ^u^
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(If you think Raikaria is scum, you should vote for the Oarfish wagon, which is the counterwagon to the CF7's wagon he's on.)
Benefit: Not everything a mafia player does has explicit scum benefit. But the overall picture will benefit scum. If Oarfish is scum, his play benefits scum because he's kept his cards so close that no one can tie him to any opinion. And he doesn't have vote tying himself to wagons that matter either. Overall there's a sense of unattached from the game.
Scum intent: He doesn't know how to fake cases. If you're implying Oarfish plays like this as town, he doesn't.
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Christ how do I english. You get the idea.
I'm off for dinner. Hopefully I'll be back before deadline.
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Wtf I am actually here for phase end! Usually this only happens because I'm mis-hammering town in LYLO.
If oarfish has a good/plausible claim I naturally would move my vote but i kind of think if he was town he would have claimed ten hours ago when BT asked him to claim.
Dan is my second scum pick after I had to abandon PX. His content today is a repeat of yesterday eg weak vote late phase on a player who is known to not be around late phase, and nothin else.
Raikaria voted Dan then hopped off because "nobody is interested in a Dan wagon" or something like that, but he did that in the space of a few hours and I thought Dormio was there. I think it's strange and I hate strange.
Cut by Dorian being scummy as hell.
Wait a moment. Didn't somebody target Dormio with some mushroom ability? Aren't stars Marisa's thing?
Like...could the person who targeted Dormio have been redirected to Dorian? I'm on my phone and can't check easily.
Cut: ok phew.
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Please guys, I'd like to eat up your scum reads on me. eat em up.
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Dorian: What do you want me to address?
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25 minutes left!
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I could switch to O4rfish but I haven't really read him and the only reason I'd really be switching to O4rfish would be that I like the people who are voting for O4rfish but whatever.
##Unvote
##Vote O4rfish
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geez~ guys do you want me to mess up again by forcing me to quick post?^^;;
@conq: I could actually get around that but you still have to assume that he failed at it or he wouldn't be the wagon that he is right now* also~ I remember him focusing a lot on roles~ so I could see why town4rfish would have troubles to form reads this time*
by the way~ wouldn't he have claimed by now to save his neck?^^; I mean it was you who brought up the idea that scum got save claims~ wasn't it?
@sky: geez boy~ and I targeted dormio with the mushroom ability~ cause I am marisa~ ze! ^u^/
@BT: this perhaps?^^; (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1132950.html#msg1132950)
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I swear if we didn't have majority lynch rule
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I don't know why he didn't claim. It doesn't make sense from his as town or a scum move honestly so.
In summation: Mafia sucks
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The Day Ends
CF7: Mitsuki, NNR, SB, Raikaria (4)
Raikaria: Dorian, (1)
O4rfish: Sky_Paladin, Conqueror, Shadoweh, BT, PX, Dormio (6)
Sky Paladin: ActionDan (1)
BT: O4rfish (1)
PX: CF7 (1)
With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch.
Time's up! It is now Twilight 2.
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STOP
HAMMER TIME
Cut by Affinity, who clearly hates fun things.
Mod edit: Haha!
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After a lengthy tirade against how the villagers were treating her, O4rfish fell silent, indignant with anger. Even under mounting cries of who, where, and why, her thoughts merely turned inward, far from the maddening crowd.
She had a vision of a beautiful Gensokyo, back over on the other side. A world of a golden age, where conflicts were trivial and settled without hurt or pain, where interesting characters with kindly dispositions interacted with each other in harmless damanku. It was a world she caught sight of a long time ago, through a glistering lake on the night of a full moon, and how it enraptured her for many sleepless nights to come! How she dedicated her life aloud, in quiet words, to finding it again once more, to maybe even explore it and live over there!
But well, sad to say, it was this unhealthy obsession with the dreamlike which proved to be her end. Tragic, really, to fall through the border just as her fabled Gensokyo was seguing into the scarlet mist of nightmare. As she was hoisted up on the rope, she saw only caricatures of the characters Maribel once related to her with glee, twisted by a humanity she had already tired of back in her hometown. Next, she saw withered trees, as the knot on her neck tightened, then numerous bats, as numbness spread, and finally, the dark night and the full moon, reminiscent of precious memories.
In her last moments, Renko Usami, Vanilla Townie attempted to tell the time from the stars above. It was too cloudy, though!
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O4rfish's flip is as follows:
You are Renko Usami, Vanilla Townie and human. You have no special abilities.
Recently, you looked a bit too far beyond the looking-glass, only to fall into one of the most acopolyptic events to benight Gensokyo in all of its history ever since the last NoTV. You're not sure if your friend Maribel is around here or not, but you hope very much to fight to preserve it, and perhaps journey around this beautiful, beautiful place with her, as you have always wanted.
You win when all members of scum are eliminated. All the best.
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Conq, ActionDan, and Mitsuki have mysteriously disappeared for the night! Hence, they cannot undertake or be targeted by any night actions, including the conversion.
It is now Night 2, the night of the full moon. You have 24 hours remaining (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141005T21&p0=80&msg=End+of+N2&csz=1) to submit any night actions (me and Bard as usual).
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The night of the full moon was a brutal one. Screams could be heard from outside, as well as chomping sounds and the sound of bats flapping their wings. And though the morning should have brought relief, all thoughts of that were far away when the villagers saw what was in the town square.
It was the squashed remains of an unlucky person from last night, mangled beyond all description and identity. After some head-counting, that person was found to be Dormio. No defining characteristics as to her role, flavor or alignment could be discerned, however.
Furthermore, from the long off, the bell tower of the SDM was chiming. It was a traditional sign; someone was converted into a vampire scum last night! Everyone eyed one another in suspicion, but this yielded no answers.
Least importantly, Conq, Mitsuki, and ActionDan have mysteriously appeared among the villagers again.
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It is now Day Three. With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
You have 72 hours remaining (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141008T22&p0=80&msg=End+of+D3&csz=1)
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Son of a bitch, I wanted to vote Dormio today. I'm not sure whether to assume janitor vig like last game or think that Affinity wanted to try out Zak's yakuza idea.
Mafia sucks.
Also, me, Dan, and Mitsuki had a QT last night but Mitsuki never showed up? I'd presume it's because she was busy but I'd like to get clarification from her on that.
Uh, I'm not sure who I want to vote now since I was thinking 3 of Dormio/NNR/Mitsuki/Sky last night and I wanted to lynch Dormio off the bat. CF7 is a possibility but I was really wary of how people were pushing him.
I guess I'll read a bit before I go to sleep.
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On second thought, I have info that implies that Dormio can't have been the Remilia, who I'm assuming is the recruiter. Which means he was janitor vigged. Meh.
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Well, unless someone wants to step forth and claim the Dormio kill. That would be cool.
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This game is too hard, mostly because we have a bunch of people who either provide minimal content or case someone and then leave for 24 hours.
I want CF7 to address the questions I asked him at the end of yesterday and come up with a vote that doesn't basically look random.
I want Mitsuki to talk about people other than CF7.
I was going to vote NNR here but I read him and I don't think he's scum honestly. Worst thing against him is lethargy in his votes.
##Vote: Mitsuki For now? I'm not sure if I want CF7 or Mitsuki to go more. Worse because they're probably not going to be scum together given bussing before N2 in this game is terrible for scum. Mostly I want Mitsuki to expand on the rest of the game because from past experience CF7's wording is easy to pick apart.
The Dorian/Raikaria back and forth looks as stupid right now as it did yesterday and I'm not interested. Might have to reconsider Shadoweh but I don't want to believe.
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*CF7's wording is easy to pick apart, so it would be easy to tear him apart for inconsistencies in his narrative when at the very least his votes have showed a decent amount of initiative.
I will probably look at some CF7 scum and town games later.
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Yes! I'm still here~ alive and my spirit unshakable high* Even when I know that things look kinda bad now but hey we still haven't lost yet! So who's up for a scum lynch?
##Vote: Raikatia
You are free to sheep either Dormios or my case* ^.^/
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I would lynch Raikaria over you but don't think either is a good prospect. Like I think his case on you is bullshit but I think it's well-intentioned? >_>
Uh, a question for Raikaria though. How is Dorian asking PX for a claim rolefishing when PX was near lynch? Especially since PX had already claimed before in the thread, showing he hadn't even read PX's posts, despite being voting for him.
And this is also false, given PX only claimed right after that post. Kinda want you to clear up why exactly you suspect Dorian.
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Oh~ come on Conq~ what can I do to make you see the light? ;) Or rather said~ Raikarias sinister ways! :ohdear:
I put real effort in my case and no one seems to care~ even to the point that I didn't got reasons why they don't wanted to vote with me here* So what is it?
PS: By the way~ my PR got a bit loosened* A ?living up to the spirit? kind of deal~ I guess* So I'm in a really good mood right now*^.^/
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To be honest I mostly skimmed your posts because a lot of it was just debunking Raikaria's posts. I mean, I already disagree with Raikaria's cases, I just don't think he's scum for them?
Like, to answer some of the later stuff you brought up.
raikarias play today brought even more questions~ why the need to give o4rfish a clear now when he never gave a reason why he suspected him in the first place? ^^;
and why this sudden dan vote? which I don't agree with by the way* shouldn't it be SB as the the next one in line on his list of suspects? 0_0
Reading Raikaria's posts. Okay, it's true that he didn't say much about Oarfish, but he did mention he agreed with sky's points about him and that oarfish was unmemorable. I'd be interested in hearing what struck him town about Oarfish's later posts, I guess.
I don't see why SB would be a priority over Dan? Granted I think the Dan vote was bad but I don't know what you're talking about.
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##Vote: Mitsuki
Conq, how confident at this point are you about Dan's alignment? This is basically game theory xXxXx, but you, Mitsuki and Dan are badsically guarenteed not to be recruits today. How likely is it that there would be three town confirmed not-recruits? Also I can't imagine not having time in 24 hours to say something in a QT unless I'm a giant scumbag.
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Mitsuki didn't even log into the QT judging from unique views so I'd guess she was legit busy and didn't see the pm about the QT. So I'm not holding that against her.
I think Dan is pretty town, incidentally. And yeah, part of me thinks there wouldn't be 3 town commuters on N2 but it's not a sure thing.
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This is a note to myself to read SCP containment breach for Raikaria scum meta. For tomorrow.
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If Dormio was vigged then the vig should stand up, yeah, since the info would be nice. If you want it hidden from the scum try asking for the hot potato messenger. I don't want to think it was a Scum NK because why would they NK Dormio?
I'll have to re-calibrate now since there's probably a scum in the people I handwaved so far.
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Once again~ the analysis of the Shadoweh wagon at the end of day one* He made quite a big deal out of it*
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And I would say my analysis of the Shadoweh wagon had conclusions. SB's case was shakey, BT basically just sheeped SB and you case was just plain bad.
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even at the beginning of day two was it still a thing for him* But that's the first and last time he mentioned SB! Aside from a side note of being cut by him*^^;
You could say that it wasn't strong suspicion but even as he tried to look for alternative votes wasn't there a single word about SB~ instead we got a artificial gut read on Dan from him* Odd isn't it?
And about his O4rfish opinion* It's already kinda funny to see how CF7 jumped from null read and town by association (my vote on him ed1) to suspicious within around one and a half hours*^^
But aside from that ...
Also I consider the points against O4rfish valid; I just find CF7 worse in my opinion.
Does that sounds like agreement/suspicion over weak town read? I don't think so!
@BT: How nice of you to call by* ^.^/ Would you mind to explain your town read on Raikaria? The last time you did that was quite obscure and disagreeable* Thanks ~
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Uh, a question for Raikaria though. How is Dorian asking PX for a claim rolefishing when PX was near lynch? And this is also false, given PX only claimed right after that post. Kinda want you to clear up why exactly you suspect Dorian.
Eh; really? I assumed from PX quoteing that in response to Dorian asking that PX claimed before Dorian asked. This makes me a wee bit confused about why PX acted like that now instead.
And he wasn't just asking PX to claim anyway.
And about his O4rfish opinion* It's already kinda funny to see how CF7 jumped from null read and town by association (my vote on him ed1) to suspicious within around one and a half hours*^^
Uh; what? I said CF7 was null still because I had been avoiding reading him because I wanted you lynched and lynching you; if you flipped scum; would make him town because of your RNG force. So my read on him was null. Associative Town would only be the case if you flipped scum.
At this point I said I would re-read and my re-read made me decide it was worth lynching CF7.
And of course I'm going to make a 'big deal' about my primary case at the time. Especially when nothing else happens.
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Anyway for now I'm just going to ignore Dorian. His tunnel level on me is equivalent to Dormio; and just focusing on the nonsense he spews out is going to make me in turn tunnel on him and not notice other stuff as much.
I'd like to see an ActionDan lynch on principal but he's apparently vanished from the town, and I'm not sure if we can lynch people who have poofed. [Conq; this applies to Mitsuki too]. Although I guess we would need to wait for a votecount for verification on this matter.
Oh wait Conq is on that list too and is speaking.
I'm confuzzled now. What does 'disappeared among the villagers' even mean? Oh wait that's the QT thing Coinq is claiming OK now things make sense-ish.
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As for what made me think O4rfish = town? His BT case seemed to have legitimate, if in my opinion misguided, town effort. That's all. And I don't think O4rish is necessarily town; just townier than Dorian/Dormio/CF7/Dan; all of whom have yet to do anything which strikes me as townie.
Conq what makes you think InActionDan is town because I have a very hard time swallowing that opinion and your insistence on this fact combined with my strong townread of you is pretty much the only thing stopping me voting Dan right now.
Although to be fair a 'strong townrerad' actually probobly isn't a good thing at this point with the conversion. Honestly I'd say you or BT are likely converts. [If you were town to start with]
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Ugh this conversion thing is making my head hurt. I'mma thoughtdump on everyone. Especially since the convert would have to have been done by now.
[In]ActionDan: Severe Lurkscum at this point; but Conq says he's town
CF7: Still probobly a good lynch idea. His posts and especially his cases have been lacking
Sky_Paladin: Not as active as usual but he's most active when he's on the noose anyway so I write this off since he's had little pressure. I've liked his posts.
Dorian: Happy to lynch him but I already know that the rest of the town are not. Also I am a little wary of what happened last time I tried to lynch Dorian.
Me: Mad; Confused Townie
SB: I almost forgot he was in the game. Almost. Then I recalled what he has posted has seemed alright.
Mitsuki: Another person who's not actually done that much. My townread of him has been slipping due to this and now it's more an associative read based on CF7.
Shadoweh: Post more Shadomeh. Again; D1 I had a good townread on her; but lack of activity is making this slip.
NNR: Wait you're in the game?
PX: Ugh; another person I'd like to lynch on principal of DOING NOTHING
Conq: Had a strong townread; but is probobly 50/50 with BT for convert
BT: Had a strong townread but is probobly 50/50 with Conq for convert.
I mean at this point I'd love to lynch Dan/NNR/PX for lurking and the fact MotK scum does tend to be lurky. Shadoweh; SB and Mitsuki are edgeing towards the point where I'd think of lynching them on activity basis too. One of Conq/BT were probobly converted; so I guess lynching one of them and then the other is an option. Dorian and CF7 I think are scum for reasons other than lurkiness; but I know a Dorian lynch probably isn't gonna happen after D2.
This game is hard because a lot of people are not posting, maqking it hard to form solid reads [especially the important interaction based reads...]. I know this is Night of the Vampire but that doesn't mean it has to be Day or the Lurkers.
#Vote: CF7
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Also, me, Dan, and Mitsuki had a QT last night but Mitsuki never showed up? I'd presume it's because she was busy but I'd like to get clarification from her on that.
... I just realised that I had a message, ugh. I could have logged in and talked since I was here for part of the afternoon (just very tired). I doubt I would have posted much anyways, I didn't feel like doing any sort of effort.
I barely have anything to do today, so I'll finally read what happened until now!
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Conq: Had a strong townread; but is probobly 50/50 with BT for convert
BT: Had a strong townread but is probobly 50/50 with Conq for convert.
Vote Raikaria
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Uh; what? I said CF7 was null still because I had been avoiding reading him because I wanted you lynched and lynching you; if you flipped scum; would make him town because of your RNG force. So my read on him was null. Associative Town would only be the case if you flipped scum.
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Oh dear~ are we suddenly lacking confidence? You said that CF7 and I can't be scum together~ based on my vote~ and you sounded quite sure that I will flip scum yesterday~ didn't you?
So what was it that changed your mind about me? Assuming scum me equalizes assuming town CF7 and vice versa~ by your very own logic*
I would ask you what you actually think of CF7~ is he null or scum* But at the end of your post are we both scum? And that's a trick you have to explain to me* I may ?borrow? it if I like it~ ze* But I don't think that I like it at all right now! ^^;;
Also~ I like the fact that you come up with ?reasons? to go with every lynch possible that isn't you but how could Conq get recruited when he was mod confirmed unavailable last night?
@PX: Unexpected but appreciated~ yay* ^.^/
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Lets not lynch mitsuki because she isnt the recruit the janvig or the recruitor
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Oh right, that's true. None of them could have been either the vig or the recruiter, so only possible 1 scum in there.
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I wish
life mafia could be simple.
To address some earlier points.
I think CF7 would hold more conviction when genuinely casing someone.
I think CF7 would hold more conviction, if CF7 thought that he could convince someone.
In the second quote CF7 implies that the same stuff that he uses to case me (first quote) is null. As much as I can see town forgetting about their cases, I don't think they'd go from finding someone scummy to finding it null.
I didn't switch to null, i stated the reason of your vote at the time.
I still don't like the way you answered on D1, but w/e, i am willing to drop it for now, since our potshots at each other are not productive.
Your opinion on PX has been fluctuating a lot. What did you think about him at the end of D1, and how did he go from not a top scum pick at the beginning of today to whatever he is now?
It's something like this.
At the start of the game there're 15 players. 2 of them are guaranteed to be mafia (Scarlet sisters). On N1 mafia can't kill. And at D2 it's 14 players. On N2 they convert one of the players bringing guaranteed total number of mafia players to 3. So i was thinking, if it is possible to have someone else in the mafia team at the start of the game. I'd say it's possible. And my main beef with PX is his Patchy claim, i guess.
[rolespec]Now we have at least 3 scum players out of 12 players. Dormio was murdered. Also it was quite messy. Considering our vampire setting, the killer might be a werewolf or something similar. Also it was night of the full moon, so it's quite likely. Also since it was night of the full moon, i think it was a one-shot based on the moon cycles and all that. Also considering game's mechanics, mafia team is likely not that powerful. Remilia is likely a recruiter, and Flan is likely to have some sort of strongman or something. Or maybe she's just vengeful. Converted townie is a VT.[/rolespec]
On Dorian/Riakaria. Their argument is quite interesting. They
Dorian. Is RP'ing as Marisa. Also is post restricted. Also posts lots of fluff. Also is amusing. Also voted me to "save" Zak. Also is voting Raikaria.
Raikaria.
Votes Dorian. Not certain about me. Again votes Dorian. And again is not certain about me. Votes for some other people. Not certain about Dorian. Actually votes me, because i am still a good lynch candidate. So, there.
I dunno. That looks like a slapfight. Not sure if it's a town/town slapfight or a scum/town slapfight, but it's interesting.
So that said. I am getting some town vibes from Dorian. And kinda null'ish, leaning scummy on Raikaria. Will probably vote for Raikaria.
Also i spent a whole lunch break reading this horrible game, thinking about it, while munching on some really spicy tacos and now my mouth is on fire, so bye for now.
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Also~ I like the fact that you come up with ?reasons? to go with every lynch possible that isn't you but how could Conq get recruited when he was mod confirmed unavailable last night?
@PX: Unexpected but appreciated~ yay* ^.^/
We don't know what this actually means. Does it mean he can't be targeted by anything? Can't be killed? Was in a quicktopic? We don't know what 'vanishing from the town' means, besides the fact that Mitsuki; Conq and Dan were bundled into a quicktopic last night; and that is based on Conq's admission. If you know more you should probobly spill, since that probobly means BT was converted.
Also PX do you care to explain more about why my townreads on BT/Conq are worth you voting me, or me being fairly confident that scum would have converted one of those two because they looked very townie? Because you're not exactly helping to convince people.
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Last game Remi was recruiter while Flan was the Janitor vig. I see no reason to assume it's not the same. Anyways, now is when town's PRs should start working, and we didn't slaughter all of them before they did stuff like last time. Although thinking I'm scum just because of my claim is lame when you have no base that my flavor cannot be town. NotV1 had Patchy as town, I said that in my claim post!
Cut. It clearly says that they couldn't act during night, and they COULDN'T be targeted, INCLUDING being converted. Mod words. Read gdi, that's why I'm voting you
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Oh dear~ are we suddenly lacking confidence? You said that CF7 and I can't be scum together~ based on my vote~ and you sounded quite sure that I will flip scum yesterday~ didn't you?
So what was it that changed your mind about me? Assuming scum me equalizes assuming town CF7 and vice versa~ by your very own logic*
I would ask you what you actually think of CF7~ is he null or scum* But at the end of your post are we both scum? And that's a trick you have to explain to me* I may ?borrow? it if I like it~ ze* But I don't think that I like it at all right now! ^^;;
Also what the hell are you reading here?
I am saying it is possible that either/or of you are scum.
I'm going to spell this out as simply as possible Dorian.
D2: I did not pursue to really re-read CF7 because after my initial read I thought you worse. If you were scum, it would make no sense for CF7 to be scum since you pushed the lynch to RNG. This is the associssation that would be revealed if you flipped scum.
Late D2: I start giving up on lynching you because no-one else is agreeing. I'm not gonna waste my time and tunnel on a single player. I re-read CF7 and agree that he is a good lynch candidate in his own right. I feel the case on him is stronger than the reasons O4rfish is getting lynched. I stated multiple times I would rather lynch you than CF7, but CF7 is scummy.
D3: I am current voting CF7 because I know a lynch on you is not popular.
Also worth noting: If CF7 flips and flips scum, that pretty much gives an associative clear on you. It would make no sense for you both to be scum, because of you pushing the lynch to RNG D1. Associative reads work both ways. My late D2 re-read of CF7 is part of what is making me doubt lynching you, combined with a lack of popularity for the lynch, and what happened last time I was sure you were scum.
Cut. It clearly says that they couldn't act during night, and they COULDN'T be targeted, INCLUDING being converted. Mod words. Read gdi, that's why I'm voting you
I'm more focused on reading and digesting people's content. I overlooked the mod announcement.
But if this is the case I am about 90% sure since the conversion was successful that BT is converted; if he was not scum in the first place. I'm actually very tempted to vote BT because of this.
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tl;dr:
Either of you could be scum. I think both of you are scummy. However both of you cannot be. You and CF7 flipping scum is mutually exclusive because of D1.
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tl;dr:
Either of you could be scum. I think both of you are scummy. However both of you cannot be. You and CF7 flipping scum is mutually exclusive because of D1.
So... A Question. If one of us is lynched and flips town, will you auto-lynch the other?
Also could you satisfy my curiosity..? I'd like to know your role-name. Just a role-name without your abilities, alignment and all that.
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I started wagons on two players who flipped town and I was absolutely certain they were scum so I feel useless and dumb.
I think that Dormio must have been town and was janitor killed by scum, because the rules say that on night 2, humans can't take any actions. That means vampires did it, and they wouldn't janitor one of their own guys.
As to why he was cleaned up I don't know :/ I have to read everything again.
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There's a small problem. It kinda conflicts with the rules.
3. Scum have no NK on N1 and N2, in preperation for things to come. Afterwards, they must NK every night.
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There's a small problem. It kinda conflicts with the rules.
That was the rules last time. They have a N2 vig to make up for those lost kills
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I honestly think there are 4 scum inside of the 9 people that didn't commute.
Also anyone could have been converted for any reason. It's folly to think that it has to be BT 90% chance etc. If it were me, I probably would have converted PX for example. But it's not me.
I agree with Conq on most things. like not wanting to lynch Dorian. Not really wanting to lynch PX.
I might agree to kill off NNR actually. maybe.
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That was the rules last time. They have a N2 vig to make up for those lost kills
Scumslip, much?
Anyway, last time i checked, this part was in the rules for this game too.
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tl;dr:
Either of you could be scum. I think both of you are scummy. However both of you cannot be. You and CF7 flipping scum is mutually exclusive because of D1.
I... hope you realize that someone on town just became a Vanilla Mafia. That means town reads and association reads from D1/2 go out the window
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If Dormio was Janned, he was probably inspected as some kind of power role? I don't see why scum would kill him otherwise? >.>
Gonna read back through now.
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The way Dormio dropped PX makes me think he might have been the cop, actually? >.>
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Weekends are brutal for me when my computer is out of reach. I'll be back a bit more often now, then.
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Still don't like CF7, I feel like he hasn't really done anything all game, it bothers me. No strong scumreads, no solid votes. He dropped Oarfish for what looked like a few twitterposts, I dunno how he managed to feel decent enough about that to unvote.
PX vote is there but isn't really based on anything new, he just doesn't like the claim. Does he even have a vote right now?
I'm sort of wondering what happened to avoid his lynch yesterday, maybe because Oarfish was a lurker lynch?
##Vote: CF7.
Kind of feel annoyed that he's narrowly avoided a lynch two days in a row, that says a lot about how scummy people think he is, I think that sentiment should be applied a bit more judiciously.
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PX is similarly awful. Did you know his last few votes have been completely blank? How are people reading him town?
His only content posts in recent times have been pure setup speculation.
He is coasting maximum hardcore and getting away with it. I only wish I had two votes to punish it.
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In fact
##Unvote
##Vote: PX
CF7 is, at the very least, actually trying.
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I... hope you realize that someone on town just became a Vanilla Mafia. That means town reads and association reads from D1/2 go out the window
Which is exactly why I am saying BT has a high chance of being converted. A convert role I think would target a person who is seen as town. To me; the strongest townreads are Conq and BT. Conq was untargetable; and the convert was successful. I also highly doubt that the mafia would convert Dorian and especially CF7. Therefor I am fairly confident that BT was converted, but since no-one else seems to want to talk about this possibility -_(0v0)_-
So... A Question. If one of us is lynched and flips town, will you auto-lynch the other?
Also could you satisfy my curiosity..? I'd like to know your role-name. Just a role-name without your abilities, alignment and all that.
I would consider the other likely to be scum; but auto-lynching? No. That would depend on other events.
Also I do not see a reason to give out a role-name. Why would I put out valuable information to people? Especially people I think as scummy? A role name is basically giving out my abilities. For example; saying my role name is 'Doctor' tells you exactly what I am. [I am not a Doctor] This is blatant rolefishing. I shall give you a hint; however. I will amuse you. My role begins with a V.
If you want I can tell you my character name. That doesn't give scum useful information. I think.
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Actually; thinking about it:
#Unvote
#Vote: PX
Hypocritical logic just now has broken the camel's back when combined with a lack of actual good content such as solid cases, opinions and such.
Look at #351 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1133239.html#msg1133239); then his explanation in #357 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1133264.html#msg1133264); which he only gives when prompted for that matter. And then look at #366 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1133330.html#msg1133330) and tell me how on earth PX can have this chain of logic against me. He goes from quoteing me talking about converts and saying I'm not reading to saying I don't realize someone got converted. That's hilarious.
And as much as I hate to use what CF7 said as a reinforcement to my case given my low opinion on him as well; as CF7 said in #365 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1133329.html#msg1133329); potential scumslip.
How on earth can PX accuse me of not realizing someone got converted when in his post where he voted me; for apparently not reading; he quoted me talking about me thinking either Conq or BT were converted?
It seems like PX is just throwing things out and seeing what sticks at this point. His content all game has been poor, and I'm not the only one to say this.
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I would consider the other likely to be scum; but auto-lynching? No. That would depend on other events.
Noted.
If you want I can tell you my character name. That doesn't give scum useful information. I think.
That's what i meant, yes.
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Byakuren Hijiri
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Everything is Anything
Raikaria: Dorian, PX (2)
Mitsuki: Conqueror, Shadoweh (2)
PX: NNR, Raikaria (2)
Not voting: ActionDan, Mitsuki, CF7, Zakeri, Sky_Paladin, SB
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch
You have around 60 hours remaining (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141008T22&p0=80&msg=End+of+D3&csz=1)
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px's "scumslip" isn't a scumslip
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The amount of setup spec I've been seeing is pretty ugly. People need to stop relying on NotV1 information and other meta bullshit.
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Stop advertising my upcoming game NNR.
px's "scumslip" isn't a scumslip
Would you care to add anything else today Dan?
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SMASH DISTRACTIONS TOO STRONG I'm just gonna listpost screw this
I'm ignoring the commuters since there's only 1/3 scum in there at best and I don't really see the utility in scum having it anyway? Not saying it's impossible, but it doesn't seem likely to me. I also think Dan and Conq are town off of general play and what I posted about Mitsuki still stands, although its not as strong as the other two. So that leaves uh...
3. CF7
4. Sky_Paladin
6. Dorian
7. Raikaria
11. Shadoweh
12. NNR
13. PX
15. BT
I'm fairly sure that BT WAS town before last night, at the very least. His play has been fine and I don't think scum would have the audacity to fake receiving an item after what happened with Dan last game either. Dorian also looked fairly town during the first two days and I'm starting to buy their Raikaria case, tbh. Plus I feel like it'll be easy to figure out if they're scum for other /reasons/ I'd rather not divulge which helps. Still don't think PX's D1 deadline posts would come from scum, and the only reason I see him being recruited over other candidates is as an oddball choice so there's that.
I'm kind of torn on Sky and Shadoweh. I didn't like their earlier play but I thought Shadoweh's content yesterday looked better (although I don't remember any of her suspicions except CF7 actually so uh, I think Sky looks better out of the two of them) and now Sky is playing as he does normally I don't really have any issues with him? I also don't think he would be so loud about being part of two mislynches, so there's that too.
NNR's sudden vendetta against PX coasting looks horribly false considering he hasn't done anything either, and his grand return doesn't really show any change in opinions at first either. It feels like he just came in to throw down a vote and then actually thought about it afterwards and thought he could BS a better case on PX which is really bad.
I can see Raikaria as scum because the way he changes his reads feels a lot like the game where we were buddies? One example of it is just now where he suddenly leaps on PX after NNR attacks him despite all of the content to vote PX on being already present, and I'm pretty sure people have pointed it out more at other points in the game. I don't think his bad logic makes him town either (I think BT said this?) in hindsight because his logic for votes in that game were pretty bad too which is why I attacked him so much.
The fact that CF7 has lasted this long despite being a wagon every day and never claiming makes me fairly suspicious of him on its own? His "content" today is more reporting than actual scumhunting too, except for pointing and yelling "scumslip" and rolefishing Raikaria for no good reason, which is what he did in Medaka Box too iirc?
##Vote: CF7
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NNR's sudden vendetta against PX coasting looks horribly false considering he hasn't done anything either, and his grand return doesn't really show any change in opinions at first either. It feels like he just came in to throw down a vote and then actually thought about it afterwards and thought he could BS a better case on PX which is really bad.
I haven't liked PX all game, I've made this pretty clear, I don't see how this is a 'vendetta'. I also made it rather clear that I wouldn't be around D2, unlike PX who has been around and posting, but hasn't said anything of real value.
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The fact that CF7 has lasted this long despite being a wagon every day and never claiming makes me fairly suspicious of him on its own? His "content" today is more reporting than actual scumhunting too, except for pointing and yelling "scumslip" and rolefishing Raikaria for no good reason, which is what he did in Medaka Box too iirc?
Considering i was sorta flash-wagonned both times while i was asleep, me not claiming is understandable. If you want me to claim, let me consult my role PM, because it is so complex, i completely forgot what it says exactly. Oh, wait. I remeber.
I am Hieda no Akyu and i am VT.
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Dorian: Raikaria has this energy to his posts that shows he's barging in without restraint rather than putting out enough fake content to seem town. Like, last game where I caught him as scum I made the comparison that his town game has him more involved and practical, and it was true. And I think it's true here as well. That's why I keep saying he's meta-town. I think the silly 33% stuff at the beginning of the game and the response to the Shadoweh wagon you keep bringing up supports this assessment, since it's the kind of weird off-the-road content that scum usually don't get to fake (and I could probably bring more examples - those are just off the top of my head). You wanted substance in case I'm making this stuff up, so... the first post that sourced this read was this one (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131944.html#msg1131944). Hell, even as early as #57, which I noted here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131804.html#msg1131804).
This goes without saying, but we should go off of D1/D2 information and lynch an original scumster today. We can root out the recruit later by future content and NK / wagon analysis. If Conq, Dan and Mitsuki were recruit-immune, the remaining theoretical townie recruit pool would be something like SB/Dorian/Raikaria/Shadoweh/myself. Seeing PX basically say how the janitor works among other things makes me want the entirety of NoTV1 spilled out in front of me in case the mechanics seem carbon-copied from that game.
First immediate suspect that pings me is NNR, since he's posted plenty but I don't remember a lick of what he's been up to. I'm reading the recent PX post and it seems fine, but I can't seem to remember any of his former cases/votes - he churns them out and disappears. It's also the kind of slot that fits most scumteams I can imagine, you know, the position I had Dormio in before he died. <_> Anyway, I'll probably want to hover around a NNR vote today.
Especially since I'm still not certain about the CF7 lynch, and since Mitsuki's away time means I don't feel there's enough content there to have a solid D3 Mitsuki wagon. Other people include PX/Shadoweh, who I feel just fine enough about to kind of ignore but there was never anything solid about the read. Dan and even SB fit this category if I overextend it, but yeah, eh. I might start looking at maybe SB if CF7 flips town, but otherwise I don't think so. SB, what was obvtown about PX's D1 deadline posting? I remember not having a strong opinion either way about it.
I wanna read NNR and CF7 again before I vote. Maybe look at D1 and D2 wagons since CF7 was always there.
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People who are talking about the first NotV should at least explain what it consisted on so that everybody can understand.
I can only imagine two reasons why Dormio would be killed by scum: one is what SB stated and the other is him being spot on about his reads.
Conqueror is probably town, his thought process reads as genuine. In addition, D1 he kept posting more and more when he said he had to leave a couple of times, and I don't think scum would feel like keeping posting.
I think NNR is scum. He didn't hold any real suspicions on D1 and most of D2, and it feels like he posted for the sake of posting. I can't see a train of thought there, his comments on players seem random and non-commital. His D3 post on PX looks like casing someone for not being standard rather than for being scummy. I'm not sure of what to think about his CF7 votes, though.
@NNR: What made you change your opinion on Dormio? You first stated that he felt townie but then said you didn't feel good about him.
I'm ok with Raikaria's D1 and D2, but his D3 is being entirely different. His PX vote looks like switching just because NNR voted before, in spite of his CF7 suspicion being much stronger. How he's been handling the recruit spec seems super scummy as well, it looks like he's trying to get people to suspect general townreads more than doing actual scumhunting; I think that town would at least try to compare the post from D1/D2 to the posts on D3 that their suspects made. Probably the recruit.
I don't like how CF7 cases me for voteswitching and apparently not pursuing my case hard enough here but then he does the same. I don't think switching is scummy, but I think scum players are prone to case people for stuff they do themselves as scum.
##Vote: CF7
Since he's still the scummiest. CF7 >>> Raikaria > NNR
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Those contradictions aren't really contradictions
Why? Anyways I probably used the wrong word, they're more of inconsistencies than contradictions.
cf7 is troublesome~ I could get around that his mitsuki vote was reactionary but I remember his play style to be reactionary anyway~
Being reactionary isn't a scumtell by itself, but how one is reactionary varies according to one's alignment. As an example, PX's way of being reactionary seemed townie to me, but CF7's was the opposite for the reasons I already stated (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1132964.html#msg1132964).
I think CF7 would hold more conviction, if CF7 thought that he could convince someone.
Conviction is not about how much you think others will listen to you, but about how much you believe what you're saying.
I didn't switch to null, i stated the reason of your vote at the time.
I'm not talking about your read on me, I'm talking about you suspecting me based on my voteswitch.
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Mitsuki you are aware you are voting CF7 partly for caseing you on voteswitching when you just cased me for voteswitching...
And I switched because I had come back; read PX's recent posts; and then after I pressed 'post' it sunk in how hypocritical PX was being. It has nothing to do with NNR. In fact my reasons are pretty different to hose of NNR.
I'm voting PX primarily for his blatant contradictions he is making in his own case upon me, in combination with his general lack of impressive content. PX had several poor posts in a row. That was the vote trigger, probobly not just for me but also NNR. And accusing someone of sheeping a wagon with 1 vote on it only is a little silly.
I don't see how me saying BT has a good chance to be converted is attempting to make town suspect townreads. We know there was a convert. We can't trust prior townreads. If I am making people suspect people who are prior townreads that's a great thing; because there was a convert! And this is a thing we can't just ignore. The fact BT is saying this when he is probobly the primary possibility for a convert makes me suspect him even more.
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Dude, not all voteswitches are the same...
Your voteswitch doesn't look justified, also where are those contradictions?
It's not suspecting BT/Conqueror by itself, it's the way you handled it.
too lazy to explain again when everything's already in my previous post
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Why?
Going back to this will be a detour, but basically you had, I think, two things that looked like "contradictions" to you? And I found reasonable explanations for them.
I don't see how me saying BT has a good chance to be converted is attempting to make town suspect townreads. We know there was a convert. We can't trust prior townreads. If I am making people suspect people who are prior townreads that's a great thing; because there was a convert! And this is a thing we can't just ignore. The fact BT is saying this when he is probobly the primary possibility for a convert makes me suspect him even more.
You realize I can say this as town, right? Why wouldn't I when I see "lynch BT for 90% success"? What I posted above is the strategy I wanted to go with since this game started anyway - you don't have a lot of ways to reliably catch the recruit now and all it does is shake things up for the benefit of scum. If you had 5 townreads before, you earn more by listening to 4 real ones and 1 fake rather than trashing them all.
Anyway, I don't get PX's contradictions. He only said you should be aware that association reads don't work, not "you didn't notice the recruit, therefore you aren't aware that association reads don't work".
CUT: Yeah, I don't think this behavior around the recruit is anywhere beyond my Town Raikaria.
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Dude, not all voteswitches are the same...
Your voteswitch doesn't look justified, also where are those contradictions?
It's not suspecting BT/Conqueror by itself, it's the way you handled it.
too lazy to explain again when everything's already in my previous post
PX claims he is voting me for not reading; because I fail to notice Conq could not be targeted and thus could not have been converted.
PX then proceeds to claim I am ignoring the fact that someone was converted.
When his previous case on me was two lines where I was talking about the convert.
Which is a blatant contradiction. His own case uses lines where I show I am aware of the converting that happened. So why on earth is he accusing me of ignoring the possibility of the conversion?
And doubly ironic when his 'case' on me is that I'm not reading the game, when he doesn't exactly seem to be.
It feel like PX is just throwing anything he can find at me to try and get it to stick. It seems like he is flailing scum attempting to make a case because multiple people are not liking his activity, but falling over his own feet doing so contradicting himself in less than 15 posts.
But seeing the opinions of people seems to be against my logic on PX, I might just back off back to CF7 again. No sense pushing a wagon that isn't going anywhere, and while I personally would wager on BT being converted, I can't prove it in any way, and I guess it is plausible they converted someone else thinking 'they'd expect BT/Conq'.
Did I mention this game sucks? So many lurkers.
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Seriously I have half a mind to just systematically lynch the lurking people [Probably starting with the worst offender; ActionDan] and just give up making cases because no-one seems to ever agree with my cases this game.
But I do want to try and actually make cases other than 'ActionDan has lurked the entire game and hasn't contributed anything meaningful he's probobly not town'.
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Hell lurker lynches probobly are not even such an awful idea at this point. Scum could just happily be sitting back letting town lynch itself.
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PX states that he voted you because of ignoring that Conqueror couldn't be converted, not because you ignored that someone couldn't be converted at all. I don't think he doubted that you knew about the recruitment.
PX should probably answer himself.
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Except I was coming off a major re-read of content, not mod posts.
And that doesn't explain his accusation in #366 that I'm unaware someone was converted.
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Done for the night. Will think things over again with a clear head in the morning and after any events tonight.
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I'm not talking about your read on me, I'm talking about you suspecting me based on my voteswitch.
Hello... Earth to Mitsuki. I reapeat Earth to Mitsuki.
I am not suspecting you based on your vote-switch. I am suspecting you based on your overly defensive reactions to being called scum. What you're trying to pass as me suspecting you for your vote-switch, was me simply stating your reason for voting Zak. Also i said that since most people, who voted Zak were not around the deadline, so i was not really sure if they could be called scummy based on that.
Tbh, i really don't like NNR's #369-372 outburst. It looks forced to me. Like, "omg, i need to post and vote. Let's type something". Also his own content in comparison was not much better.
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I am not suspecting you based on your vote-switch.
Also you are quite strongly accuse me of being scummy and want to lynch me. Yet in your latest post you are willing to switch to someone else "for consolidation purposes". Which is not really a good reason to abandon your strongest scum read, instead of pushing for said read lynch, to be honest.
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If Dormio was Janned, he was probably inspected as some kind of power role? I don't see why scum would kill him otherwise? >.>
Gonna read back through now.
Maybe because he was on scum all game? That's just a guess~ I have no idea why he got actually killed nor is that the reason why I'm so certain about Raikaria but you can't deny that it fits in the picture!
And yes~ it was BT who called Raikarias play ?Very purposeful, unrestricted posting.? which I honestly don't see at all* and that's sadly the only actual town read on Raikaria that I remember* If people don't agree with my case is that one thing but I get the feeling that they just avoid the topic as if it's the cause of malaria or something* ^^;
Also ~ isn't it odd that BTs town read on Raikaria came after Raikaria gave a even less explained town read on BT? I wouldn't go as far as to say BT is his buddy for it but I still have to wonder where this sudden ?mutual understanding? came from* Especially since Raikaria felt the need to highlight BTs vote on the Shadoweh wagon!
@BT: It took you a while*^^; And I still disagree with it* No matter if scum or town~ Raikaria has always his very own logic in his mind~ so scum Raikaria goes for the same weird off-the-road content as town Raikaria* No~ he is perfectly able to take full advantage of the flaws in his town play as scum!
But more important~ where is the involvement you talked about? The active scumhunting~ the questions and the grilling he was so fond of?
He doesn't tries to find scum~ he just says why he votes XY and sits on it~ that's all!
Yay~ still more then happy with where my vote is* ^.^/
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@NNR: What made you change your opinion on Dormio? You first stated that he felt townie but then said you didn't feel good about him.
Opinions of others during D2 rubbed off on me a bit and made me doubt my town read (this happens a lot, honestly). There's not much I can say about him now, as he is already dead.
I am pretty confident in my current reads though so I don't think I'll move them much.
Today is a busy day for me but I'll try to get some different reads in.
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Raikaria
A convert role I think would target a person who is seen as town. To me; the strongest townreads are Conq and BT.
I think a convert role would target a safe-middle ground player. BT is fairly public and visible; it's likely he'll be checked/rechecked in the game. ActionDan is a chronic lurker and is likely the go-to for a town 'lets drop a lurker'. So if it was me, I would look at players like you, Shadoweh, and myself for the converter - midground players that haven't had a huge wagon on them and aren't likely to have one.
How on earth can PX accuse me of not realizing someone got converted when in his post where he voted me; for apparently not reading; he quoted me talking about me thinking either Conq or BT were converted?
He goes from quoteing me talking about converts and saying I'm not reading to saying I don't realize someone got converted. That's hilarious.
This very obviously says that PX is voting you because you screwed up and said Conq was 50% convert chance when we had a mod note saying it's impossible. This could (and should) have been easily countered by you, by saying something like 'being wrong is not scummy, why are you voting me?' but instead you tried to paint PX as scummy when he was actually pointing out your mistake and voting you for it.
So I think you are scum for basically OMGUS at this stage in the game, when PX was in the right.
##vote Raikaria
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Art. 6 ECHR: Obligation to respect human rights
Raikaria: Dorian, PX, Sky_Paladin (3)
Mitsuki: Conqueror, Shadoweh (2)
PX: NNR, Raikaria (2)
CF7: SB, Mitsuki (2)
Democracy-hating Communists: ActionDan, CF7, Zakeri
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch
2 days, 5 hours-ish remain. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141008T22&p0=80&msg=End+of+D3&csz=1)
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So if it was me, I would look at players like you, Shadoweh, and myself for the converter
Should be 'So if it was me, I would look at players like you, Shadoweh, and myself for the converted'. I shouldn't post before coffee.
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There are people in this thread RIGHT NOW who haven't read the glorious Ness that is NOTV1? I'll make a proper post later but yeah I'd you have extra time you should ch3ck it out. Tld4 there was a recruiter aND a mafia janvig 5hat could only shoot n2 but there's no guarantee we have a similar setup this time, althou hi it looks like it.
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##Unvote
Mitsuki's latest post looks reasonbly town. Mafia sucks.
PX, are you voting Raikaria because he missed that I couldn't be recruited? If anything I'd find that to make him marginally more town. Plus Raikaria has shown reading problems in the past a la Serela. >_> Please don't make me regret saving you D1. Leave Maki-chan alone for a bit and tell us what you think about the game.
That said, I don't really like any of the votes on PX. I still think Raikaria is town though. All the votes on him can get wrecked. If he's scum he's recruit!scum. I still haven't gotten through the meta game I wanted to get through.
All this recruit speculation is rather silly because scum could have gone for the towniest person, a middle of the road person, or they could have RNG'd. We don't actually know. All you can expect is that they wouldn't have gone for town lynchbait, which in this game really only applies to a town!CF7 given he's been on the ropes since D1. What we did when I was scum in NotV was we took a list of people, removed lynchbait and people we thought would adapt badly to being scum, and RNG'd the pick from there.
People saying that CF7 is scum because he's been a wagon every day and not been lynched, well unless you think that his counterwagons were pushed by scum, that doesn't really hold water. I will revisit my CF7 read again but people saying he lacks initiative I feel aren't actually reading his posts.
I am pretty confident in my current reads though so I don't think I'll move them much.
Could you explain what your current reads are? CF7 and PX for lurk scum? What, say, differentiates the PX in this game from previous PX town games?
I chickened out of voting NNR again and I want to do this instead:
##Vote: Shadoweh
Mostly for lack of initiative which I think is more likely to come from scum!Shadoweh. I'll come back later and see if I still agree with this or if it's just a product of being absent. Also, as much as I enjoyed being sheeped on Mitsuki at the start of the day, I think a town!Shadoweh would have done more than give a role argument and mention an argument about inactivity, since even as scum it would have been pretty easy for Mitsuki to make excuses in the QT about being too tired to post.
I might switch to NNR when I get back, depending on how much I waffle.
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Sky if my vote was OMGUS it would have been after PX voted me, not after he said something else which seemed contradictory to his initial voting reason on me.
Anyway, at this point I am clearly beating a dead horse which isn't moving. A PX lynch isn't happening based on the evidence I've put foward.
Which basically gives me two options since no-one I wanted to speak up spoke up while I slept.
1: Go back to my CF7 vote [And probobly get accused of sheeping or wagon hopping. It seems I get accused of all sorts of stuff for every vote I make this game]
2: Vote ActionDan for being lurkscum [And probably get accused of being unable to make cases; despite the fact I have been trying to make cases on Dorian; PX and CF7 most of the game and each one has got rebutted.]
Well I guess there are other options like 'Vote BT because I think he was the convert' but yeah that's not gonna accomplish anything either.
Mafia games where so many people are doing nothing suck.
Screw it someone who's done this much nothing by Day 3 and contributed literally nothing to the town is almost certainly luckscum in my books. Go ahead and gut me for being unable to make a case if you want, I've been trying to make cases all game, and for the time being; I'm out because the scummy people are not even posting.
#Unvote
#Vote: ActionDan
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And yes I am more than a little frustreated at this game at this point for a combination of lurkers and everything I do either being ignored or shredded.
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lol, what happened to not voting Dan because Conq thought he's town?
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Because apparently people think everyone else I want to lynch isn't scum as well.
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Also I really shouldn't give someone a free pass to lurk just because someone I think is town thinks they are town.
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PX: Answer me please. And how does what Raikaria just did make Raikaria scum?
Raikaria: Why do you keep calling ActionDan lurkscum when he's posted a decent amount?
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(More votes on Shadoweh)
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PX: Answer me please. And how does what Raikaria just did make Raikaria scum?
Raikaria: Why do you keep calling ActionDan lurkscum when he's posted a decent amount?
Uh; he's not.
And what he's posted is almost no content at all most of the game.
I mean; his content for today is 3 posts and 6 lines. None of which contain a vote, let alone an actual case.
He's not alone in lurking. I'd probobly sting up Shadoweh at this point for it; or PX for a general lack of content outside whacking me over the head with a case that amounts to a wet fish. But ActionDan has been standing out to me as lurking for the majority of the game. I look over the game thinking 'What has ActionDan done of note' and come up with the answer: 'Absolutely nothing'. That's not a good thing to think when you are halfway through Day 3.
He's not the only person I dislike for lack of content, but besides maybe Shadoweh; who's few posts have far more substance, Actiondan is the worst offender in terms of lurking. Not that Dan lurking is much new.
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Also why is Zakeri listed as not voting when he is dead?
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Man, I got caught up in reading parts of NotV. Jerks.
Quick tl;dr of the set up:
Remilia was vampire scum, godmother and recruiter on n2
Flandre was vampire scum, N2 janitor vig and cannot NK until remi was dead
Meiling was human scum, JoaT with Rolecop, roleblock, and tracker
Recruited turned to vampire scum
Town had
Aya, (human? w/e) cop who was confirmed to be away on N2 (lynched D1 so we never saw that)
Sakuya, vampire tracker/vampire vig on N2 (lynched d2 so w/e), post restricted to only claim vanilla town
Patchy, self targetable doctor after N2 (lol) who could die to either vig a vampire or roleblock a human for a day/night
Kaguya, human watcher
and two vanilla townies who claimed masons, only to have one turn on the other
So basically, it looks like the exact same thing.
Also, for all you people still trying to flavor game, there's this rule
6. Species is not an arbiter of alignment! Characters may be different from their canon counterparts.
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The scum roles don't have to be exactly the same. Affinity could have changed stuff to throw people off. But I'm find with assuming a recruiter/janvig for now. I'll note that given that Dormio was apparently ascetic? scum couldn't have have rolecopped him to shoot since I think people were suggesting that?
Also, people who never read NotV will never understand the context of this modpost:
Shadoweh flips MODKILLED
Bard flips MODKILLED
UK flips MODKILLED
Dormio flips MODKILLED
HW flips MODKILLED
PX flips MODKILLED
Zakeri flips MODKILLED
Anyway, PX answer my question.
To Raikaria: If Dan lurking is not new, then why is he scum this time? >_>
Of course, Dan could just make this easier on us by just actually catching up on the game and posting a vote. :V
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Usually we've lynched Dan by now for it. And his lurking this game is worse than usual.
Also as I've said, I've pretty much exhausted all my actual cases and they're not working, and the people I think are scummy are not posting much anyway so I can't exactly make NEW cases. I'm pretty much resorted to going for lurker lynches.
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Really recommend you people read the game (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9878.0.html) if you haven't already :|
Anyways, Raikaria
Nothing else really stands out at me as important enough to drag out again. I do have a couple of townreads and scumreads forming now [chief among these being Zakeri]
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Also there's a sizable list of people who I am not happy with for general lack of content but what's new here?
Look like a general lack of solidness on D1. Basically setting himself up so he can say he was for and against any wagon.
His #101 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131986.html#msg1131986) looks like he's just posting to throw some reason for him to jump on those people at any moment, and defending Shadoweh (which is something to look at if one of them flips scum)
The flurry of posts after that also look like he's just posting, then looking through it later on
Not like Zak's end of day content was impressive or anything, indeed, you, PX and ActionDan voted for him shortly after his content.
This clearly shows a lack of reading the topic, or even caring because all our votes were simply because we didn't prefer the other option, not because we all thought he was scum. I mean, he was voting Zakeri for lurking, then ignores Zak's posts and trying to use this to justify him ignoring his posts.
His Dorian case on D2 is pretty bad, considering one of his main points is trying to say Dorian didn't care who was lynched when Dorian voted for the person he wanted lynched, while Raikaria just sat back at the end of D1. Basically, see above.
And apparently he hates all lurkers except Shadoweh (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1132819.html#msg1132819) for some reason
The fact that he later goes on to try and accuse Dorian of rolefishing when he's asking a person about to be lynched to claim is hilarious, to say the least. He's using bad buzzwords to make up for the fact that his case has no merit and trying to see if anyone sticks with it. And when nobody does, he just gives up! Seriously, look at his posts! He's just giving up on everything because nobody is following him up on it. Throw in his terrible logic and him accusing me of being scum with all these words that aren't related to what I'm saying (ie. what he's did with Dorian and accusation of rolefishing) when I'm calling him out on bad logic
cut:
Leave Maki-chan alone for a bit and tell us what you think about the game.
Make me
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I agree that the roles are definitely not the exact same as they were, which they shouldn't be the same regardless, but the way the night actions have been going on look similar to last game so we can regard the vig and conversion being roles on scum to be true.
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Also, as much as I enjoyed being sheeped on Mitsuki at the start of the day, I think a town!Shadoweh would have done more than give a role argument and mention an argument about inactivity, since even as scum it would have been pretty easy for Mitsuki to make excuses in the QT about being too tired to post.
Actually there's something about this that's confusing me, did you three not know you were going to vacate the game and have a QT together? That'd be really fucking strange but the way you're talking about it doesn't seem like you expected this from your roles. If you just got notified suddenly that you were all gone and suposed to talk it'd be different but if your role says you're going to talk with people on recruit night you aren't going to just forget to post in your qt.
I haven't put any thought into who would get recruited to be honest. For towniest and mushroomiest I would have said Dorian, but until a day's gone by you're not going to find anything scummy in what the townest person did when they were town. <_<
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I should probably mention that the reason why I'm saying that Raikaria is probably the recruit is because he's been scummy D3, not because of recruitspec. I agree that recruitspec by itself is useless and only going to hurt town.
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And apparently he hates all lurkers except Shadoweh (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1132819.html#msg1132819) for some reason
He's not alone in lurking. I'd probobly sting up Shadoweh at this point for it; or PX for a general lack of content outside whacking me over the head with a case that amounts to a wet fish. But ActionDan has been standing out to me as lurking for the majority of the game. I look over the game thinking 'What has ActionDan done of note' and come up with the answer: 'Absolutely nothing'. That's not a good thing to think when you are halfway through Day 3.
He's not the only person I dislike for lack of content, but besides maybe Shadoweh; who's few posts have far more substance, Actiondan is the worst offender in terms of lurking. Not that Dan lurking is much new.
I currently think Shadoweh is the 2nd worst lurker.
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correct Shadoweh, we had no idea (at least me + Conq) that 3 people would commute.
reading the game is hard.
For the purposes of voting, I'll
##Vote NNR
because I am not overly fond of his posts.
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PX: Answer me please. And how does what Raikaria just did make Raikaria scum? ...
Well~ how does what Raikaria did make him town?
He got under fire for his PX vote~ so he had to change it* And why doesn't he went back to his CF7 vote? Because he's afraid of even more criticism* How is that a town reason to let a scum read slid?
@Shadoweh: Be a good girl and talk with me! What do you think about Raikaria and why aren't you voting him?
I currently think Shadoweh is the 2nd worst lurker.
100% go with the flow!
If you have leave your opinions open enough to go for every wagon possible~ then could you give us at least your vote priorities?
Still yay~ for Raikaria being the main wagon! Scum lynch ho! ^.^/
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Lynch priority right now is something like PX > CF7 > Actiondan > Shadoweh > You. BT is a separate issue which is 'If people want to lynch him due to suspecting he got converted then I'll lynch him'.
My opinion of you is slowly rising; if only through my opinion of other people falling.
The thing is I've failed to get wagons moving on the non-lurkers I want to lynch. Which is depressing.
If you have leave your opinions open enough to go for every wagon possible~ then could you give us at least your vote priorities?
Still yay~ for Raikaria being the main wagon! Scum lynch ho! ^.^/
My opinions are not open. There are several people I wouldn't lynch. Like Conq; SB; Mitsuki; Myself and Sky_Paladin. But hey; go ahead and claim I'll lynch anyone when I've been pretty open about my opinions all game.
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Omg sky+paladin is in a newbie game.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=59111
point and laugh
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Please do not use the current thread to link to outside games if it isn't pertinent whatsoever to the game, especially not if used to ridicule other players.
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You haven't lynched me yet? A pity.
#Vote NNR for now. This game is demotivating.
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Are we trying to change the past with charisma?
Do I have to remind you what you said at the beginning of the game? Cause that sounds like being totally open to any lynch! ^^;
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I mean at this point I'd love to lynch Dan/NNR/PX for lurking and the fact MotK scum does tend to be lurky. Shadoweh; SB and Mitsuki are edgeing towards the point where I'd think of lynching them on activity basis too. One of Conq/BT were probobly converted; so I guess lynching one of them and then the other is an option. Dorian and CF7 I think are scum for reasons other than lurkiness; but I know a Dorian lynch probably isn't gonna happen after D2.
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So~ you would lynch Dan/NNR/PX for lurking~ you would agree on lynching Shadoweh/SB/Mitsuki for the same reason and you would lynch CF7 or me for being scummy* I leave your attempt to boil up paranoia about BT and Conq aside~ cause I think both are impossible to lynch today anyway* So that's pretty much every one that isn't you, isn't it?^^;;
Now back to the presence* Why did you let yourself pushed out of your PX vote that easy~ when you say that he's the one most likely to flip scum? Why are you voting Dan right now over CF7?
And about the people you don't want lynched* Well~ SB and Sky are most unlikely to get lynched today~ Mitsuki has only Shadoweh on her and Conq is plain impossible to lynch* So you only don't want to lynch the player who aren't get lynched today anyway? That's cool*^^;;
See~ that's how you do it* I tried to push you yesterday but no one was listening~ so it was all in vain but you you hear me crying about it? No sir! This witch will keep her spirit up and try again till the job is done! ^.^/
Even if that means to ?borrow? Shadowehs mind-control-beams~ ze*
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Are we trying to change the past with charisma?
Do I have to remind you what you said at the beginning of the game? Cause that sounds like being totally open to any lynch!
The beginning of the game is not Late Day 3. Opinions can change drastically from there.
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NNR, your suspicion of PX was basically dropped after he stopped attacking you until today, and it felt to me like you were just throwing comments in on him now and then to remind us you don't like him rather than actually scumhunting.
BT: I don't think scum getting strung up would just claim vanilla instead of trying to survive or draw out a claim by saying they were the cop or something. I also don't agree with Raikaria's weird cases coming from town, didn't he do the same thing in SCP?
Raikaria, if people keep telling you that your reads are wrong, maybe you should reconsider them instead rather than just complaining about how nobody listens to you? You're not always gonna be right, and if people keep telling you that they're wrong your action should to re-examine them rather than just being bullheaded and ignoring what everyone is telling you like you have been. I seriously think the way you're going about this is scummy because it feels like you're trying to portay yourself as the victim here, especially when you say "oh I will be accused of X if I do Y" and stuff like that.
I think Mitsuki's posting is town so far and I don't really have much of an issue with her? I actually find the way that Shadoweh has basically ignored all of Mitsuki's posts today in order to essentially pursue a rolespec case is pretty bad, especially when I can't see why you're even voting her in the first place beyond just sheeping Conq and easily faked rolespec suspicions?
Conq, why are you waffling on an NNR vote right now? I don't really see any arguments against it in your posts, so the disconnect there is kind of confusing. I'm not fully convinced that Dormio was an ascetic (or couldn't be ascetic <ROLE> for that matter) and even if Dormio had super accurate scumreads somehow wouldn't it be better to have killed someone who wasn't lynchbait instead? Him being checked as a PR (or the kill getting redirected somehow, I suppose) is the only reason I can think of that would get Dormio scumkilled.
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Yes but I can't always be wrong either SB.
Can I? -_-
And I can't exactly push other people; I don't have cases on them.
I'm gonna sit on my vote overnight and do my usual re-read in the morning. Maybe by then there's more stuff to use, and maybe with a fresh head and I start a new page.
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A read of NNR's ISO didn't do much. There's no strong scumread there, but I dislike that his conduct has basically been to vote people with awful play. That's why I couldn't remember any of it - there's nothing serious going on. There are some comments on the rest of the players but the only things he really follows up on are the lurker suspicions. The caveat here is that I feel like I've been here before. At the end of the day the main thing I'd lynch NNR for is a lack of townposting when my pool of lynch candidates is small as it is.
I'm beginning to see the Raikaria wagon, chiefly because of this jelly mentality that he started moving around wagons based on popular opinion. It's not very strong though since the opinions themselves still seem genuine. I'm also pretty sure he townslipped by not knowing Conq/Dan/Mitsuki were invincible because it would have come up in a scum QT discussing recruit targets. Mitsuki might be on to something - he wouldn't necessarily be aware of it if he was the one being recruited - but if that's the case I'd rather have a more solid basis than just him being insecure about votes.
Still unsure about CF7! I don't like how he's hot on Mitsuki's trail mostly for that D1 post he disliked? His comments on Zak and Oarfish not being preferred wagons (on D1/D2 respectively) feel hollow if what qualifies as preferred wagons is "Mitsuki" - in the end he just handwaved the main wagons to focus on not much else. When he voted PX late last day I could rationalize it pretty well but now he's basically forgotten about those other reads again and the comments on Raikaria and NNR just come off as sheepish. I'm pretty sure it's either him or NNR as scum at this point, actually, and while NNR reads unimpressive at best, there are still things deterring me from lynching the other guy even though he might be more aggressively bad (see: this paragraph).
##Vote NekoNekoRex
I also have the nagging suspicion that CF7 is a scum wagon. Well, the wagon's basically SB and Mitsuki. It's more of a gut feeling when I get around to reading their opinion posts - the CF7 votes come off as a bit underwhelming in a way I can't really word out.
BT: I don't think scum getting strung up would just claim vanilla instead of trying to survive or draw out a claim by saying they were the cop or something. I also don't agree with Raikaria's weird cases coming from town, didn't he do the same thing in SCP?
That's it? I thought PX having an obvtown-looking D1 entailed more than that. The vanilla thing isn't really a rule, especially if the person playing isn't into the game.
Is SCP the game where you two were scum? I actually don't remember much about Raikaria's earlygame play there so I might want to read that. I'm mostly working off of a strong impression of last game's meta where I felt like Raikaria had to wrestle to get things he can talk about, and I figure that as scum even if he has a better game it would be things that are as relevant as possible, not roletalk with CF7 and then the D2 slapfight with Dorian.
Question: Can't you basically say the same thing about CF7 claiming vanilla? Maybe what's bothering me about your vote is that you're not giving CF7 similar treatment to other slots? I'm kind of surprised I'm the only one who keeps bringing up the other side of the coin.
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Reading that last sentence before the vote again I might have worded that badly. Basically I feel much more solid on NNR's chances of flipping scum compared to the conflicting reads I keep getting on CF7.
I really want PX to talk about other things because amassing reasons to vote Raikaria probably isn't very hard. As for Shadoweh, Iunno. I still feel fine about her posts. The main problem is that she isn't talking about the game.
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Conq, why are you waffling on an NNR vote right now? I don't really see any arguments against it in your posts, so the disconnect there is kind of confusing.
I don't have any arguments listed, it's gut. I keep going back and forth on him because I can't find anything solid but I dislike his votes.
Dorian: Burden of proof is on people to show why people are scum, not why people are town.
Anyway, catching up with the rest of the thread.
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BT: I dunno, if there's only 3 scum (and PX is one of the people who could be the Janitor or Recruiter) then you really don't want to go down to a Day 1 lynch, even if you're not super enthusiastic about the game. Unless you're specifically a Godfather than scans as a VT then I don't see the benefit in claiming that either. I also keep rereading that paragraph and can't really find reasons for him to be town besides "this vote was okay at the time" which is more of a null point than anything else?
Wrt Raikaria: I don't remember the game too well tbh but looking back through the whole making himself look like the victim was pretty prelevant there too, and iirc BBM said to me after I flipped that he was really scummy for his sudden opinion shifts and was confused as to why nobody pointed it out.
##Unvote
##Vote: Shadoweh
I actually meant to do this last post because I agree with pressuring the slot more and my reasons for thinking she was townie aren't as strong after some consideration. Would probably be voting Raikaria after this at this point.
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I kinda suspect PX of being the recruit, honestly, given he's bringing up all these arguments on Raikaria now when it's been there since D1. But that's still not where I want to go. But PX, seriously, why is Raikaria not just insane and town?
And no, Shadoweh, at least I didn't know I was going to get a QT. Not sure why Mitsuki didn't respond to this actually; proof that people aren't reading the game. But, uh, why are you worrying about finding recruited people when most people are looking for original scum? That's mostly what I want to hear from you.
SB: Scum wouldn't claim vanilla on D1 normally, but if they were say mafia recruiter or mafia janitor vig I think they might claim VT because claiming a pr could draw a counterclaim and get you lynched, meaning you can't use your role.
Considering i was sorta flash-wagonned both times while i was asleep, me not claiming is understandable. If you want me to claim, let me consult my role PM, because it is so complex, i completely forgot what it says exactly. Oh, wait. I remeber.
I am Hieda no Akyu and i am VT.
Tbh this made me think CF7 is town more than any of his other posts.
Secondary vote would be NNR for being pretty confident in his current reads even though we've had 0 scum lynches so far. :V No, seriously.
Still don't like CF7, I feel like he hasn't really done anything all game, it bothers me. No strong scumreads, no solid votes. He dropped Oarfish for what looked like a few twitterposts, I dunno how he managed to feel decent enough about that to unvote.
What has CF7 not done and how is it more or less than what you've done?
I think the main thing I find off about NNR is flexibility of reads? Doesn't seem like he's taken any effort in re-analyzing the situation, instead just picking up the same banners and running with them.
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I also keep rereading that paragraph and can't really find reasons for him to be town besides "this vote was okay at the time" which is more of a null point than anything else?
Oh no when I said "see this paragraph" I was referring to "CF7 is aggressively bad". Stuff that makes me flinch about CF7 is the idea that he'd townread the main wagons in the first place instead of jumping onto any of them, the thing about power levels I pointed out yesterday, the fact that his play reminds me of last game and when he's forced to comment on events it doesn't sound totally fake like in Medaka, and maybe other things I've forgotten about. I can generally see the option that CF7 is town (not the same as "I think CF7 is town", more like there's enough doubt there that he's scum that makes me want to shy away from the wagon).
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I Kind Of Expected Affinity, But The Votecount Refused To Change...
Raikaria: Dorian, PX, Sky_Paladin (3)
Mitsuki: Shadoweh (1)
PX: NNR (1)
CF7: Mitsuki (1)
InactionDan: Raikaria (1)
NNR: ActionDan, CF7, BT (3)
Shadoweh: SB (1)
Democracy-hating Communists: No one!
Why the fuck was he on the "not voting list" Affinity: Zakeri (dead)
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch
1 day, 6 hours-ish remain. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141008T22&p0=80&msg=End+of+D3&csz=1)
In addition, ActionDan has not posted sizeable content nor voted within the first 24 hours of the Day starting. Affinity has been notified.
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Re: Raikaria playing the victim. Iirc that was a big thing in his most recent scum game, but I also seem to remember him doing it in his town games whenever he comes under a lot of pressure.
And I can't exactly push other people; I don't have cases on them.
I'll say I dislike this because I don't think not having cases on people has ever stopped Raikaria from pushing them. But seriously, Raikaria, get a backbone.
The thing is I've failed to get wagons moving on the non-lurkers I want to lynch. Which is depressing.
Uh, which nonlurkers would that be?
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Stuff that makes me flinch about CF7 is the idea that he'd townread the main wagons in the first place instead of jumping onto any of them
I'll note that this is what Shadoweh did D1. I don't find it damning personally because there are times when you can hate all the wagons and want to push your vanity wagon, but if you found that questionable from CF7 maybe look into Shadoweh as well?
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*although Shadoweh didn't townread Zak, more like she dismissed him because she wouldnt be back for when Zak started posting
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It's mostly a big deal because CF7 himself was a competing wagon most of the time.
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Oh excuse me.
I suppose you want content.
Alright:
*cough* ahem
Conqueror is town: self explanatory
Mitsuki is either some scum forced to commute N2 or town. Since there was a scum JOAT that was a practical info role last game, I'd think to limit them by having them commute this game would be too punitive. Therefore town.
PX was probably town yesterday. Recruitment is possible but it is better to hunt original scum so there is no point pursuing him.
ditto BT
SB I can't easily read but let's call him town.
Shadoweh I do not have a townread on. possible lynchee
Raikaria could be scum since above anything else the pursuit of moi is non-sensical
Dorian was town yesterday. not pursuable
NNR's posts make me want to vote him. And so I have
CF7 I do not have a townread on but w/e he can live
Sky_Paladin I do not have a townread on. possible lynchee
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Not sure why Mitsuki didn't respond to this actually; proof that people aren't reading the game.
I'm reading, but I already implied I had no idea of the QT's existance before... I didn't even know that more people would commute.
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@CF7: You said that you didn't suspect me based on my voteswitch, and then I pointed out where you said I was sucmmy for it. What do you think about that? What do you have to say about the rest of my case?
I kind of want to feel annoyed but I can't
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@Conqueror
On day 1 -
Px saying "Not interested in Raikaria while NNR is here."
felt like posturing and ignoring game state in favor of policy.
which is pretty scummy
How do you feel about this with the current situation?
On second thought, I have info that implies that Dormio can't have been the Remilia, who I'm assuming is the recruiter. Which means he was janitor vigged. Meh.
I seem to recall BT also 'getting info' about an item, and getting info with an item. Discuss.
@Dorian
not to forget dormio~ I targeted him last night but it failed~ don't know if I got role blocked or if my mushrooms just doesn't worked on him~ however he has no idea how much fun he's missing~ nor do I* cause I have no idea what my mushrooms actually do*^^;;
I have reason to believe you are faking your post restriction. Can you please explain your restriction so that I can check it?
It seems you can give mushrooms to player but "Dont know what they do". I don't think so. This isn't a bastard game. It seems like BT got given an item in twilight. Was it your doing?
@Shadoweh
Conq, how confident at this point are you about Dan's alignment?
Why did you only ask about Dan's alignment? Mitsuki went, too.
Conq, ActionDan, and Mitsuki have mysteriously disappeared for the night! Hence, they cannot undertake or be targeted by any night actions, including the conversion.
I figure that the commuter is town aligned, and probably commuted themselves. We also know that they didn't take the recruiter or the janitor, because there was a recruitment and a janitor kill.
We can therefore assume there were zero vampires in the commuted group, although it's possible there may be a non-vampire scum amongst them.
The alternative is to consider there must be at least three scums and possibly four in the remaining group - all the players except the commuted ones - which leaves CF7, Dorian, Raikaria, SB, Shadoweh, NNR, PX, BT and myself. For now, that list is very long, but it will shorten considerably. If we ever catch a mafia goon with a flip that reveals they aren't the recruited player (or we flip two goons in that list, period) then the commuted players are all confirmed town.
Basically I'm going to treat the commuters as confirmed town until we get to the point where there's not enough slots to fill without one of them being scum.
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I'm concerned by NNR voting CF7, then switching to PX after very little notice, and Raikaria going along with it very soon after.
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NNR has asked to replace out. Will be seeking out a replacement.
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hit me up with a role pm dawg
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@ SB: I do not intend to make myself look like a victim. I am just frustrated and venting. I'm frustrated because my cases are not being accepted. I'm frustrated because I'm being wagoned for silly reasons; and I'm frustrated because due to a lack of content right now from the players who I think are scummy, I can't make any NEW cases on them.
I'm not a victim. I'm just angry at this game. I'm just annoyed at lurkers. I'm annoyed at my inability to make new cases.
Honestly I feel incapable of making any new; strong cases right now. Which is the primary way I can convince people I am town. I'm sorry but I haven't seen anything that strikes me as scummy recently [That I've not already pointed out] and exhausted all my cases earlier. So I feel like I only have one road open to me and that's Not Me Over Me.
I mean NNR is like the only slot I don't have a great town or scum read on at this point but whatever.
I'll claim what my 'V' starting role is if I must. The convert has happened I feel less pressed to keep information out of scum's hands.
#Unvote
#Vote: NNR/Dr.Rawr
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Wow that was quick.
dr rawr shall take NNR's slot effective immediately
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The beginning of the game is not Late Day 3. Opinions can change drastically from there.
Nice try to dodge my question but if you would have read further than those two lines or just looked at the time stamp of the quote then you would know that I meant ?the beginning of this day?!
@Conq: Burden of proof~ huh? Says the one who pushed me into defending a null ? town read just to justify that I kept my vote on my scum read* :T
Now to ?why is Raikaria not just insane and town?? You have to let his ?unique? reason aside cause that what he goes for no matter if town or scum* The telling difference is that town Raikaria has still a inquisitive mind that scum Raikaria is lacking* Look how he confronted me in Awareness of color Mafia~ even under the impression that I got CCed did he still came up with question to ask and point about my new content to say* And then compare that with his day two this time~ where he used my day one content to make a case like a record and put it on repeat* Honestly~ I'm self aware enough to say that my midday outburst was nothing more than me blurting out a bunch of weak reads but he lost not a single word about that*^^;
And before you say it~ I know that I'm not supposed to answer questions directed at others but if you refuse to give me something to work with then I have to take whatever I get to work with*^^;;
@Sky: Well~ my day one restriction was similar to that was Dan got last time~ all my post needed an exclamation mark and the expression of joy and happiness (in words or emoticons)~ as I said have I forgotten one exclamation mark here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1132133.html#msg1132133)*
That leaded to a updated restriction day two~ in which I wasn't allowed to use fullstops nor commas~ as well as that my words had to be either all capitalized or not capitalized at all in addition to the day one stuff*
Which I failed to do in my last line here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1132688.html#msg1132688)~ therefore my panic but Affinity ignored that in regard of me living up to the spirit or he really just missed it*^^; However~ I'm back to it as it was day one~ so yes I keep my substitute punctuation~ for fun~ RPing and to remind me to stay on my guard on that matter~ ze* Come to think of it~ have I already mentioned in what a good mood I am right now~ cause I sure am!^.^/
And to you other question~ you are free to think what you want but I still don't know what my mushrooms do* And whatever BT got~ he didn't got it from me~ cause I targeted Dormio*
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@CF7: You said that you didn't suspect me based on my voteswitch, and then I pointed out where you said I was sucmmy for it. What do you think about that? What do you have to say about the rest of my case?
Well, the problem is, that i never said that you are scummy because of that. I said i don't like your reason, and that's it.
Anyway, quite content with where my vote is at the moment.
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Count ALL the Votes!
Raikaria: Dorian, PX, Sky_Paladin (3)
Mitsuki: Shadoweh (1)
PX: DrRawr (1)
CF7: Mitsuki (1)
DrRawr: ActionDan, CF7, BT, Raikaria (4)
Shadoweh: SB (1)
Democracy-hating Communists: No one!
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch
Guess what? 15 hours left! (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141008T22&p0=80&msg=End+of+D3&csz=1)
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Which I failed to do in my last line here~ therefore my panic but Affinity ignored that in regard of me living up to the spirit or he really just missed it*^^; However~ I'm back to it as it was day one
The reason I asked was because I was trying to figure out your PR, and guess you were prohibited from using full stops. I found some of your posts where you used them on day 2 and day 3 on the re-read.
You also dropped the ball on the very last line of #231.
I don't know, a post restriction that isn't a post restriction doesn't seem to be a post restriction to me. Is this one part of your role, or did somebody inflict it on you?
Sigh. I guess if you were faking it you wouldn't point out where you missed it.
Gonna sleep, be back before phase end.
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oh man its day 3 and im pretty close to getting lynched. lets do this 8)
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that moment i realize ive been thinking all of actiondans posts were schezo and hes not even in the game :V
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anyways
##Unvote
this replacement means anyone voting NNR for the way he posts now no longer counts right? because if it did that would be pretty lame and you all should feel ashamed
##Vote:Shadoweh
Shadoweh hasnt been giving off her awesome townie vibes it seems like and id be willing to bet shes scum because of it. Though right now i do have this other crazy theory on who could be scum but id rather wait and see shadowehs flip and tonights night kill.
Everyone on the raikaria wagon i think are crazy. I dont think scum would go out and post every single thought they get. though i guess i could have missed something from my read of the thread.
anyways im still rolling most of this thread out in my head but i just wanted to get my thoughts out on the wagons and such. ill probably focus on cf7 next because looks at day one and day two hes been a wagon and ill need to read why
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Well, the problem is, that i never said that you are scummy because of that. I said i don't like your reason, and that's it.
Eh, you were clearly implying that you found it scummy, even if you didn't use that word. It was included within your case on me.
I'd like to see Rawr post more. Rawr, what do you think about CF7? Who else do you think is scum?
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Dorian, I already know why you think Raikaria is scum. :V I want to hear it from PX instead since he dismissed it D1 and is now bringing up D1 and D2 stuff, while ignoring most everything else.
Sky: That's part of why I'm asking PX. BT's info is something else I'm assuming. My info is from my role pm.
Shadoweh should have been replaced by now. >_> But I still think the few posts she made today were pretty likely to come from scum!Shadoweh.
Why is my vote on counted on the votecount?
Why are CF7 and Mitsuki still talking about a minor exchange on D1 when it's D3 already. Mitsuki is that really the main reason you're suspecting CF7?
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*my vote not counted
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@Conqueror: No, and to be honest I'm finding it null. I still want to see what CF7 has to say about it, though. I'm also waiting for him to comment on the rest of my case.
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I've been ISOing Shadoweh. She's null, nothing she's done stands out as townie or scummy. I agree that she should get a replacement, though.
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I will now repeat myself in saying that Shadoweh is lynchable.
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I'd like to see Rawr post more. Rawr, what do you think about CF7? Who else do you think is scum?
i said id do a better read of cf7 later but currently thinking hes scum also because hes been on peoples shit list at least twice. so yea im still catching up
I will now repeat myself in saying that Shadoweh is lynchable.
then stop voting me and vote shadoweh
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i said id do a better read of cf7 later but currently thinking hes scum also because hes been on peoples shit list at least twice.
But since when has that made people scum tho
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idk its more like me right now trusting other peoples judgement. people seem willing to vote and lynch him but almost every day he weasels out of it do to votes
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So~ do I see it right that non of you is even thinking about the idea to switch to Raikaria? :ohdear:
I mean ~ isn't my case not enough proof that Raikaria is scum? I'm more than happy with it! ^.^/ It's at last as good as any of yours~ so why do I still get ignored or my points just get hand waved away? And now even the guy who's conterwagon to my preferred lynch calls me ?crazy? for it?!
Honestly~ what the hell is wrong with you guys?^^;;
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So~ do I see it right that non of you is even thinking about the idea to switch to Raikaria? :ohdear:
I mean ~ isn't my case not enough proof that Raikaria is scum? I'm more than happy with it! ^.^/ It's at last as good as any of yours~ so why do I still get ignored or my points just get hand waved away? And now even the guy who's conterwagon to my preferred lynch calls me ?crazy? for it?!
Honestly~ what the hell is wrong with you guys?^^;;
Stop with the AtE.
Your case ain't right because I ain't scum. And honestly since D2 you've done little but tunnel on me. What even are your opinions on other people Dorian? Who else do you think could be scum other than me?
Anyway; it's 9pm here and I'm still a major wagon so I kinda gotta keep doing Not Me Over Me right now; despite the fact that Rawr/NNR's slot is not exactly high on my 'desired lynches' list. If I'm still a major wagon before I go to bed [About 2 hours] I'll claim.
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Also I am fully aware I could be called out for hypocrisy on the AtE callout but the difference is I was venting and justifying my lurker lynch and lack of new cases I could make; and didn't want sympathy. I was also ranting at lurkers in general this game. I'm still frustrated at being so powerless to get the people I think are scum lynched, combined with those people not posting much more content to give me new arguments to form. [On the other hand Dorian has constant new content from me to try and use as ammunition]
Dorian's recent stuff just seems like AtE to try and get me lynched.
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Effort is hard.
The being a recruiter/scumvig thing forcing them to claim VT kind of makes sense, actually, so I'm less strong on PX town. BT's townslip logic on Raikaria makes sense too, and #499 reads genuine to me, so I'm feeling better about the slot as a whole. Also echoing that CF7/Mitsuki need to move on and look elsewhere.
Mitsuki, why are you prodding at Rawr to post more and asking him for opinions on someone he said that he was going to try and read next? Are you actually reading his posts? I also feel like the "I think Shadoweh is null" stance is kind of weak, what do you think about her contributing basically nothing today?
Conq pls get back on the Shadoweh wagon. I'm not sure how I feel about Rawr's content itself but hard defending the main competing wagon isn't something I would expect scum to do unless they're buddies, and I don't think you're scumreading Raikaria?
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@SB: I read the post, but I missed the bit on CF7. There's a limit to how much attention I can pay to stuff, I hate it but it's a personal thing.
I think doing nothing is not alignment indicative, at least for her. I've seen Shadoweh do nothing in other games as either alignment.
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Shadoweh had time to post though and just came in with rolespec and recruitmentspec. Surely that means something?
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I'd probobly lynch Shadoweh over NNRawr if that wagon is happening. But until that point... well... I'm 100% sure I am town; I'm not 100% sure about anyone else; therefor if our objective is to lynch scum I cannot self-terminate.
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I'm already voting shadowej. Vpyecpuht is borked.
Okay rail aria but which do you prefer based on reads?
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Shadoweh had time to post though and just came in with rolespec and recruitmentspec. Surely that means something?
I know what you mean, but I don't see it. We (we? who?) cased Proto in some game (Conspiracy Mafia?) for similar reasons.
I'm not telling you to stop suspecting her, I just don't find what's so scummy.
What do you think about Raikaria's recruitmentspec?
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I believe I have already stated that I dislike Shadomeh. I have not so much stated a dislike of NNR at any point. The primary reason I am voting him right now is Not Me Over Me.
Given the choice I would vote Shadoweh over NNRawr. Of course, right now my choice is primarily guided by whichever wagon has the best chance of lynching someone who is not a townie [me]. However of both wagons were even [Discounting my vote] I would vote Shadoweh.
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Ufu, ufu, ufufufufufufufu ~
You are good~ I give you that* Way harder to lynch than I expected but I'm running out of time right now~ so here's the deal: Lets see the end of this day as a one vs one!^^
Either Raikaria get's lynched today or I tell you why I don't want any other lynch~ which has unpleasant consequences!
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To state; discounting my vote NNRawr is at 3 votes and Shadoweh is at 2. If Shadoweh gets to 3 votes before I go to sleep [Or NNR goes to 2] I would switch to Shadoweh; because I think Shadoweh has the better chance of being scum. [Although NNRawr has a better chance of being scum than me; so if I have to I'll vote NNRawr to prevent my lynch over Shadoweh.]
Ufu, ufu, ufufufufufufufu ~
You are good~ I give you that* Way harder to lynch than I expected but I'm running out of time right now~ so here's the deal: Lets see the end of this day as a one vs one!^^
Either Raikaria get's lynched today or I tell you why I don't want any other lynch~ which has unpleasant consequences!
You know; waiting for the time when you know it's late in my timezone to say this is rather cowardly and suspicious. Afraid whatever falsification you appear to have planned to use on me can be easily refuted by me if I am actually awake?
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Trust me~ you wouln't be able and I waited so long cause one of said consequences is that it ends the day!
By the way~ I'm a hour ahead of you*^.^/
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oh
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I'd use your power today since it's now out of the bag.
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You claim it is a 1v1 yet you claim it ends the day?
Amusing.
And I do not know your timezone. You have not been kind enough to share that. With 6 hours left in the day and knowing from my prior information that is is around 10pm my time claiming you can turn it into a '1v1' somehow does sound a bit suspicious.
'Lets 1v1 when Raikaria is not gonna be awake before deadline :D' really inspires confidence.
Anyway; I'm still a major wagon so I'm gonna out it. My role that begins with 'V' is 'Visitor'. I am Byakuren Hijiri; the Visitor. I visit people each night to 'preach Buddhism'. This doesn't actually do anything however since no-one cares. I'm also compulsive. I guess maybe I can interrupt some role which needs to not be visited or something or I'm here to throw off trackers or something [Be them Scum to help em find a PR to convert or Town]. Probobly some sort of game balance role.
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Also hi Actiondan you got anything USEFUL to say?
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It's not a ?power? I have~ it's sadly just the consequence when I tell you what I'm not supposed to.^^;;
Despaired situations call for despaired methods and if you force me to~ then so be it!^.^/
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Zzz if you,re ceumbing a gladiate there are better targets
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I'd use your power today since it's now out of the bag.
Lol, your targets and can anyone prove it?
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Second Dan, unquoted is for Rai
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Seconding
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Dorian are you claiming a role result that you can't reveal under TN rest of moskill?
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Technically I am not forcing anything; Dorian. It is not me making people not agree with your case.
Well; OK; it is to a degree through me just trying to get scum lynched. I'm not going out of my way to get people to not believe you however. I gave up doing that late Day 2. I just decided trying to lynch scum was better than butting heads with you. I realised my case on you was falling on deaf ears and moved on. Perhaps you should do the same.
It is their judgement which does not agree with yours. I am not forcing anything. It is the rest of the town who do not buy your case on me. If anyone is forcing anything it is you.
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As for asking why I read Raikaria as scum instead of insane town, it's because I do. How do you really expect me to answer that question? I can ask the opposite to you, why do you see him as insane town instead of scum. The answer will go nowhere. Also, opinions and reads can change over time. I might not have payed much attention to Raikaria early, but his later posts made me reread them and added to later posts made me think he's scum.
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##unvote
##Vote: Raikaria
I'm not sure this will help but I had to do it anyways
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Also, you claimed compulsive action. Please state your target on N1
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N1 target was Mitsuki. N2 target was Dormio. Strangely enough I got roleblocked N2.
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Well; I think I got roleblocked. I got a 'your night action failed' message. Not sure if I failed to visit because Dormio died or I was roleblocked or what.
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How do you really expect me to answer that question? I can ask the opposite to you, why do you see him as insane town instead of scum.
Because he's actually trying more than half the game instead of making potshots and leaving. Although it looks like he gave up recently.
And yes, I do look at everyone's posts, fry to view them in the lihg r of town and scum posting, and decide which is more likey.
Amywya, px , your turn. My issue is m9re why pay attention to railcars while ign0eing rst of game
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N2 target was Dormio. Strangely enough I got roleblocked N2.
So you're not human?
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Sure it is amusing* ^.^/ Either you get lynched or I say why I know that your scum~ die for it and the day ends!
But I should really stop to argue with confirmed scum here*
@Mitsuki: It helps to lynch scum~ that's a lot I think*
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I am not. I am a youkai. I am Byakuren Hijiri; after all.
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I was going to comment on the claim, but Raikaria just scumslipped lol
LET ME POST THIS ALREADY
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I assume this means I am immune to conversion; actually; since the rules specifically state 'convert a human'.
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Unvote
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Vote Raikaria
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Holy lol
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I was going to comment on the claim, but Raikaria just scumslipped lol
Care to explain?
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Why did you pick the targets you did
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That's a lot of immune to conversion rols.
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I chose them because I felt like it.
My role does nothing. I just visited at random.
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@Raikaria: it's on the rules, humans can't act on N2. Not buying the bit on being a youkai
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@Raikaria: it's on the rules, humans can't act on N2. Not buying the bit on being a youkai
Humans cannot act Night 2.
Youkai can.
And Byakuren Hijiri is a youkai; not a human.
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For the love of Gensoukyo if you're a doctor do not let Dorian die
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Wait. Dorian, could you act on N2?
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Yeah, and I see no reason to believe your fakeclaim
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Zzz. Dorian probably saw raikaria visit Dormio last nighr. So he would have to be youkai. That's 2 immune to conversion rolws, plus my role tells me the moonstone that gets passed around in twilight also prevents conversion. A bit too many imo
Shadowej prolly still scum
Docs on Dorian tonight I guess
##unvote
##vote raikaria
Cut I'm sure there are town youKai mitsuki. Dorian is probably one
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Duck all your cuts px stop stealing my posts
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Reminder that scum have no day communication anymore, so you can't say his scum buddies can't let him bumble a claim this badly. After all, that happened to Chaore last game
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It is not a fakeclaim.
But I do not expect you to believe it anyway PX. You've been voting me all day for virtually no disclosed reasoning. I am not even bothering to try and convince you. I am attempting to convince the other people in the game.
And if I was fakeclaiming I would not have claimed a youkai character when the setting seems to be SDM vs Human Village. And I would not have claimed a N2 action when the rules state humans cannot act N2.
Basically if you are calling my claim fake you are saying that I am a complete moron.
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This thread is moving way too fast holy shit.
If Dorian isn't an info role I'm still not completely sold on this thing so could you confirm?
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I have personal reasons I believe that making Dorian claim would be bad.
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Dorian probably can't claim role a LA Sakuya last game.
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Yeah Raikaria, and the rules also state that canon doesn't exist. You trying to use canon to prove stuff is utterly useless
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Roles that can't claim are stupid. But I did think his confidence seemed like a guilty so uh
##Unvote
##Vote: Raikaria
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Yeah Raikaria, and the rules also state that canon doesn't exist. You trying to use canon to prove stuff is utterly useless
Not quite:
Species is not an arbiter of alignment! Characters may be different from their canon counterparts.
Firstly; this suggests there are species other than 'human' and 'vampire'.
Secondly this might not be indicative of species [For the aformentioned Species=/=alignment]. It could just mean character powers =/= character related, We don't know.
All we know is that species is not alignment. Therefor 'Youkai' does not mean 'Not Town'.
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Anyway I have done all I can. If you guys still want to mislynch me go ahead.
A reminder of my reads before I go then:
Scumreads on:
PX; Shadoweh; CF7; Dorian
Lurkereads on:
Shadoweh; Actiondan; PX; anyone not mentioned
Townreads on:
Conq; Mitsuki
Kinda Unsure on:
SB; NNR
I think they are converted because Conq was untargetable and the convert was successful and this guy was really town and his play has changed on:
BT
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And you're going to tell me Sakuya is a vampire and Patchy and Kaguya are humans. These are from last game
Also, even if you are youkai it doesn't mean you're not scum
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Oh wait add Sky_Paladin to town.
Anyway going to bed now. I guess all I can do is wait and hope you guys change your minds.
And you're going to tell me Sakuya is a vampire and Patchy and Kaguya are humans. These are from last game
Also, even if you are youkai it doesn't mean you're not scum
Species is not an indicator of alignment.
Yes it does not guarantee that I am town.
But it does not mean I am scum either.
Lynching me because I claimed Youkai is stupid.
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Raikaria didn't scumslip but he's scum anyways, someone hammer already
I thought this game was humans (humans + youkai) and vampires only, meh. Anyways I think I get why Dorian would recieve info on N2 in spite of being "human".
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I don't believe your entire claim lol
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@Conq: wouldn't I de facto claiming it if I said ?yes??^^; The ice I stand on right now is already thin enough without such questions!^^;;
@Mitsuki and SB: I said already as much as I could*
I will still stay to my word and ?claim? if I need to but that means I die today and he gets away~ so I don't like the idea!
By the way, can you slow a bit down* Please!
Also Raikaria is on L-1 if I'm not mistaken* yay~ ^.^/
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Don't replace me bro >_>
I am a bad mafia player though :< I kind of forgot about mafia yesterday, whoops. I was going to say something like 'fine if you didn't know about it in advance then leaving is reasonable'; but that's a bit behind the conversation now, what is going on. @_@ Dorian has been soft-claiming Marisa who isn't a youkai. ...And was probably lying about that. Wow I feel stupid and a little impressed by his panache. If you're a Cassandra you should seriously stop talking though, depending on how stringent your PR is just making it clear you have a result could screw you over.
Claiming to be a youkai is probably not true though. I was Parsee last game and I was still a human, so Hijiri would probably show up in the flavor as her pre-became a witch self. (I'd ask if anyone else is a youkai but that's probably a bad question, it hadn't occured to me there would be anything but humans and vampires)
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Eh we shpudl probably let our lurkers pop in to see if they have anything to add
Oh hi shadoweh
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I would be madder about all the mean things you're saying about me but I probably deserve them. If I said I regretted it I would get clawed though!
Also I tried to get LLD to post for me and she said no. Sad.
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unvote
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End of day means Raikaria will still get lynched without my vote, so count me as voting him. That said, Affinity must be REALLY lenient this time.
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Well, I'm going to sleep. Good night everyone!
if it's not night in your timezone then you suck
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Hi I woke up. Reading now.
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I was totally going to sheep Conq and vote Shadoweh but then this:
N1 target was Mitsuki. N2 target was Dormio. Strangely enough I got roleblocked N2.
'you got roleblocked night 2' Dormio was vigged night 2 should have been the automatic explanation for why your action failed, even assuming you got through the town-can't-act-night2-bit. That's quite the coincidence; especially since you didn't bother to explain why you visited those players, which would have been the first thing I would have said.
But I really think you're scum because Oh wait add Sky_Paladin to town.
I am playing absolutely shit this game, all my cases have been based on scum tells like empty unvotes or no content, I have nothing that I consider quality scumhunting yet. There is no way anybody should be townclearing me at this point. Although ironically if you flip red that will help :D
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Hold up guys.
Give me a second.
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Ok now what's going on here.
Btw, as this is like a touhou game themed, no one is actually human perse right. except like 3 people.
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My role pm specifically states that I am a human, even though my character is not a human. Also that my win condition is 'when all scum are eliminated'.
This could POSSIBLY indicate that the game is over when all scums are dead, and allows for a shared human/youkai win. IMO though that makes Raikaria an ITP at best, and we should always always always kill ITP's.
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I feel like people who are immune to conversion should at least claim it.
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Ok now what's going on here.
Btw, as this is like a touhou game themed, no one is actually human perse right. except like 3 people.
There are more, it's just that a lot of the youkai were humans before becoming youkai. People like Hong Meiling and Patchouli are youkai, but were humans in the last game.
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Wait, where did this suspicion come from Conq?
From Dorian saying his action on Dormio failed . Somewhere on d2
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From Dorian saying his action on Dormio failed . Somewhere on d2
Well that's not very helpful then
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I just said that my ability failed~ the one who came up with Dormio being ascetic was BT if I'm not mistaken*
I was also quite interested what BT had to say now, since he was the one most solid on town Raikaria but it seem that he's already gone*
It's getting kinda late so I'll be gone soon too* I just want to enjoy a snack before I go to sleep! ^.^/
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i declare ive already won the game, my role pm says i win when town has majority
gg cya nerds
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Uhh, man, what a thing to come back to. >_> I'm going for dinner and coming back to settle this, but...
Something has happened! It is now Twilight 3!
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Dorian felt frustrated, angry with the rest of the villagers for not being heard out on her cases. High on mushrooms and desperate, she started relying on the things that were not meant to be said, stacking ambiguities upon ambiguities, lies among truths.
Either you get lynched or I say why I know that your scum~ die for it and the day ends!
As she said this and that, a curse placed upon her started to do its work. Pain seemed to strangle her heart, and with a choked voice, she continued pushing the boundaries, attempting to fight her fate by means of rhetoric and loophole. And although it was frowned upon by the gods above, she could have succeeded in her act, if not for this fateful sentence:
wouldn't I de facto claiming it if I said ?yes??^^; The ice I stand on right now is already thin enough without such questions!^^;;
After this utterance, she started bleeding profusely from her eyes, and unable to withstand the pain, she took off her council mask and covered them, trying to stem the bleeding.
At first, the villagers were ecstatic at the sight of her blond hair and witch's hat, almost forgetting their ordeal, for Marisa Kirasame was a rather welcome figure among town. She had gone missing a few months before, beyond all sight and sound, and town were rather concerned at what she was going through.
But when they took her hands off her eyes, they saw that her irises were glowing bright red, the unmistakable mark of a vampire. And town, hearing hateful whispers in their heads, were suddenly sent into a frenzy, as if under a spell. Immediately, they set her up upon the lynching pole and stuff, forgetting their friendship as Marisa pleaded hers. Only a few were able to keep a clear head through the curse of the damned, but they could not withstand the onrush of negative sentiment, and well, that's all anyone remembers as the rope was pulled up high.
Marisa Kirasame, Town Mycologist, remembering quiet days of the past amidst the hateful shouts and screams, soon stopped breathing, and was no more.
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When everyone came to, they investigated Dorian's body with lamentful hearts. Her role PM was as follows:
You are Marisa Kirasame, Town Mycologist! Happy-go-lucky in the face of adversity! Optimistic even when the world around you is detiorating! Sociable even when most of your friends have abandoned you! Well, haha! The secret to your illogical happiness is a diet of wholesome mushrooms, handpicked from the best places! Who cares what people think of you as long as you're happy! It's who you are, after all!
You have the following 'abilities':
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Mushrooms: Once every night except for N2, you may forcefully feed the target some mushrooms! What they do you've long forgotten, but they are certain to spread the joy!
Emotional Facade Every post you make must include an exclamation mark and a word or emoticon conveying the idea of happiness and joy! Cause if you don't too many times, your facade will probably fall apart and you'll get depressed! bad things happen when you're depressed! :(
You win when town forms the majority. Good luck! :)
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It is now Night 3!
You have 24 hours remaining (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141009T21&p0=80&msg=End+of+N3&csz=1&swk=1) to send night actions and stuff.
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The sun's tired. Town's tired too. The going seems tough, the people difficult. More questions than answers. Almost more myth than psychology. Another dead person in the town square, forlorn upon the ground, camera smashed into bits and riddled with claw marks. Not much blood, all drained from the body sadly. The sigh of life precedes the moaning of the dead. Well, hm. Hm indeed.
Sigh. Was there a point in this anymore? Why not just run away? Questions? Answers! But none were provided.
How long more could they hold out?
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ActionDan, playing Hatate Himekaidou, Town Commuter Cop, tengu, was found dead in the town square. His role PM is as follows:
You are Hatate Himekaidou, Town Commuter Cop and a tengu! Well, exciting things are happening in the Human Village, and while you're not sure what exactly, you know it's worth a scoop. Too bad you left your camera back at the Youkai Mountain, but that probably won't be a problem for you.
You have the following abilities:
Commute (passive) - Rather conveniently, you plan to slip away on the night of the full moon to get your camera. On the beginning of N2 , everyone in the topic will be notified that you will not be around to target or be targeted by any night actions during the night.
Investigate (active) - From N3 onwards, you may inverstigate someone as long as you don't get a successful investigation the previous night. That person's alignment will be made known to you.
You win when town forms the majority. All the best.
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It is now Day Four. It also now psuedo-MyLO. While no lynch is guaranteed to not end the game, a mislynch may result in a loss for town.
With 10 left, it takes 6 to lynch. You have 72 hours remaining (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141012T22&p0=80&csz=1)
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Vote Raikaria
So, BT seems likely as a partner, and Sky Paladium's late exchange with Raikaria looks a lot fake, but that may just be WIFOM. Mafia sucks :|
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I would be madder at how yesterday ended if I hadn't asked the question that indirectly led Dorian to modkill himself, even if my later posts strictly implied he shouldn't claim at all. >_>
With Dan dying I'm just going to sheep him on Mitsuki being town, plus with his flip I have an twisted idea of what this setup is.
BT, did something happen to you last night?
Inclined to vote Raikaria for yesterday's role stuff but let's do this properly.
Raikaria, why would you randomly target people without considering the implications of what a compulsive visitor might do and how it interacts with the rest of the roles (i.e. potential trackers/watchers, dorian's claim that his action on dormio failed etc) given what you said yesterday about your role probably a game balance role. Also, the fact that you randomly happened to target someone who suspected and was pushing you the night he was janitor vigged. :V
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I'm concerned with how there was nothing in Dorian's flip that suggested he had a post restriction to do with stars and dots or told him how he 'knew' Raikaria was scum. I'm guessing that when he targeted Dormio with his mushroom something odd happened. I thought he was faking his PR and I guess he was, but not in the way I imagined.
Anyway seeing as our cop died I'm assuming there's not going to be any confirmed guilties to trump Raikaria today, so...
##vote Raikaria
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Shadoweh, why is it that when you showed up yesterday you didn't take a stance on the Raikaria issue besides a soft comment on Raikaria probably not being youkai?
If CF7 is town he should stop playing the "disaffected townie" act and start playing with indignation given he's been acting like a dead man walking for the past few days. Personally don't think he's scum but he needs to show up.
Sky is a null read that I probably need to reread because his posting is pretty unmemorable this game.
rawr needs to post more before I can get a read on him, but really hoping he can give a better read than NNR.
I'm pretty sure BT isn't original scum, but he might be recruit scum.
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I'm concerned with how there was nothing in Dorian's flip that suggested he had a post restriction to do with stars and dots or told him how he 'knew' Raikaria was scum. I'm guessing that when he targeted Dormio with his mushroom something odd happened.
It can't be his action on Dormio because it failed, and it can't be his role because it says he couldn't act on N2. It's pretty clear that his conviction on Raikaria was the result of someone else's role interacting with him given he actually got modkilled for something that wasn't mentioned in his role pm.
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It's weird because why wait til day 3 to say it if he had a result night 1. I don't know. Anyway.
If it's MYLO now, then we have 3 scums.
Max 1 scum amongst (Mitsuki, Conq)
At least 2 scum amongst (CF7, Sky, Raikarai, SB, Shadoweh, NNR, PX, BT) with Raikaria probably one of them.
Rawr modconfirmed town because of the screw up with the win condition, he apparently didn't receive the errata that the rest of the town got.
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I didn't get an errata. :colbert:
(if the mafia had formatted fakeclaims he could have gotten it from there)
(that said i dont remember formatted fakeclaims last game.)
raikaria --> shadoweh seems a good way to go then. After that I'm not sure anymore. CF7 for 3rd original scum? And then recruit hunting.
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:pmformatgaming:
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Actually I just realised if both the janitor and the recruiter were not in the spirited away group, and could not target the spirited away group; and we have only three scums, then both Conq and Mitsuki are confirmed town.
So it's actually:
3 scum amongst (CF7, Sky, Raikarai, SB, Shadoweh, NNR, PX, BT) with Raikaria probably one of them.
Conq, Mitsuki, Rawr confirmed town. Also a chance I'm confirmed town if you think me knowing about the town errata win condition is a townslip.
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meh actually if scum had a rolecop they could see a town pm depending on how affinity decided to return it.
I'll just want on rawr's posts I guess. Sky can be town(?) though.
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We have to have 4 scum, else it wouldn't be pseudo-MYLO. That said, me and Mitsuki are probably both town. :V
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It's MYLO because with eleven players, a mislynch today + an unblocked hit = 9, and I can't count. Never mind.
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Shadoweh, why is it that when you showed up yesterday you didn't take a stance on the Raikaria issue besides a soft comment on Raikaria probably not being youkai?
I didn't think that was a soft comment, I went through the last game to see if anyone was a youkai (no) because I thought he was fakeclaiming,. It's pretty obvious that's what happened, ne? I think if it was a real claim Byakuren would be a Magician anyways, the same way Tengu was a flip. (and just happened). Conq, did Dan mention he was a cop in your shared QT?
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MYLO just means there's a kill somewhere in play, so someone has a vig that they haven't used already for some reason? (couldn't most likly) I would suggest they not use it since it would cost our extra lynch, even if we're definitely lynching scum today.
Also, Dorian said he was roleblocked, but he targetted Dormio. What I'm guessing is he was just told his mushroom did nothing, then when Dormio died it did something? The alternative is Dorian just really, really hated Raikaria's claim and that doesn't seem like him, Dorian hates fakeclaim gambits.
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You actually implied Byakuren would have been a human instead, but that doesn't matter.
No, he didn't. Mitsuki can confirm. It was mostly just me rambling and asking Mitsuki where she was.
Shadoweh my main issue with you is that you're posting like a limp noodle. :ohdear:
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Dorian can't have been fakeclaiming because no one gets modkilled for revealing their fakeclaim.
Isn't it MYLO because even numbers and not because vig? >_>
Also, I'm requesting that whoever has the moonstone pass it to me if possible. Thanks.
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Oh, psuedo-MYLO. Hmm.
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So I guess that means there actually only are three scum. Plus a vig in play?
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No wait, there could be four scum and a protective role in play. I think this is it given lolvigs.
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<_< I thought there were eleven alive. You'r right, I'm stupid. If there's a vig they should definitely kill someone. There has to be more in play because it's psuedo.
According to his PR he got modkilled for not being happy enough. :V I guess mentioning the terrible fate waiting for him counted. I'm saying that he wouldn't fake having a result even if his role dosn't explicitly say he has one.
Considering he claimed Youkai and not human does it matter? :V
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According to his PR he got modkilled for not being happy enough.
I hadn't seen it that way before but, uh. If this is true then this is the best and also the worst reason for getting modkilled.
No, it doesn't matter. :V I'm mostly curious in seeing your eventual catchup. :3
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His flip clearly didn't show his entire PM. It's possible he had another ability that could get us a guilty. On top of the fact that his flipped PM had absolutely no mention of him being a vampire, I'm 100% certain he had a guilty on Raikaria. Just lynch this scum in front of us already.
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Oh right, and everybody so far has flipped either Human or Vampire, and Aya/Hatate have both flipped with no mention of species, but they commuted on N2 so it doesn't matter, so I have absolutely no reason to believe that Byakuren is some other species. :|
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3 scum amongst (CF7, Sky, Raikarai, SB, Shadoweh, NNR, PX, BT) with Raikaria probably one of them.
Conq, Mitsuki, Rawr confirmed town. Also a chance I'm confirmed town if you think me knowing about the town errata win condition is a townslip.
how can i be confirmed town and be potential scum?
His flip clearly didn't show his entire PM. It's possible he had another ability that could get us a guilty. On top of the fact that his flipped PM had absolutely no mention of him being a vampire, I'm 100% certain he had a guilty on Raikaria. Just lynch this scum in front of us already.
Oh right, and everybody so far has flipped either Human or Vampire, and Aya/Hatate have both flipped with no mention of species, but they commuted on N2 so it doesn't matter, so I have absolutely no reason to believe that Byakuren is some other species. :|
are you for real px?
##Vote: PX
ill go ahead and humor this and ask why you think his role pm isnt fully mentioned. also if after he was turned into a vampire why would he bus his buddy since the start of the day?
unless im missing something and the recruited isnt aware who his cum buddies are? but even then if he had a guilty on someone again why bus them?
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What? Dorian is town you idiot
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His flip clearly didn't show his entire PM. It's possible he had another ability that could get us a guilty. On top of the fact that his flipped PM had absolutely no mention of him being a vampire
I'm guessing PX probably means "human" instead of "vampire" because otherwise the statement makes no sense. That said, it makes more sense for Dorian to have received night action results than to have a secret ability, I think.
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but it said dorian was a vampire?
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Also, because I had the PR'd role last game. Since he died for breaking some sort of PR, most likely related to his role power that we were never supposed to know of, then yeah, I say he had a guilty on Raikaria to claim that he would die for it.
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Oh nvm I was reading it wrong.
Either way Dorian isn't the type of person to fakeclaim as town, which is what I think PX was trying to say.
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im confused as fuck w/e ignore my last post
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##Unvote
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Conq, why do you think Mitsuki is town?
Don't have time to do more, nor do I want to rush votes onto Raikaria for him to self-hammer, so keep him away from L-1 before I get back >.>
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I AM SO CONFUSED BY DORIANS DEATH WHAT IS GOING ON
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Conq, why do you think Mitsuki is town?
Setupspec. :V Also sheeping Dan's reasoning on scum inforoles.
Although thinking back on it, that was a stupid reason. I guess I could fit Mitsuki into a Raikaria/Shadoweh/recruit scumteam.
Actually this made me read back and look at Mitsuki's posts around deadline yesterday and I noticed something.
@Raikaria: it's on the rules, humans can't act on N2. Not buying the bit on being a youkai
Raikaria didn't scumslip but he's scum anyways, someone hammer already
I thought this game was humans (humans + youkai) and vampires only, meh. Anyways I think I get why Dorian would recieve info on N2 in spite of being "human".
Mitsuki, if you thought the game was humans + youkai vs vampires, why was Raikaria scum for claiming youkai?
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Dorian got modkilled. We don't know the exact reason why, although it has to do with the quoted bit in the modpost. That's all.
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Do you think that scum would have a commuter+a role on top of that?
Post restrictions still suck.
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Nevermind, I can already predict what Mitsuki's answer is going to be since I can't read. Syntax is hard.
So my answer to SB is, I guess Mitsuki could be scum, but she's not a priority for me right now? >_>
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I'm assuming all the commuters have roles. I have a role, Dan had a role, I'm assuming Mitsuki also has a role. At the start of the day I was thinking it was a clever way to make sure town PRs dont get recruited but then I remembered all the softclaims that existed.
As for whether she could be a scum role+commuter I dunno because I can't read Affinity's mind.
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Edit: tbh once I saw 3 people commuting I half expected one of us to be scum via Affinity trying to mess with us. but who knows. tl;dr setup spec sucks.
I should stop double posting.
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Raikaria, why would you randomly target people without considering the implications of what a compulsive visitor might do and how it interacts with the rest of the roles (i.e. potential trackers/watchers, dorian's claim that his action on dormio failed etc) given what you said yesterday about your role probably a game balance role. Also, the fact that you randomly happened to target someone who suspected and was pushing you the night he was janitor vigged. :V
Because I thought Dorimo was scum so if on the off chance my role interrupted any of his actions...
Anyway, tonight I visited Shadoweh.
Anyway, I have no clue what Dorian's death means, but I'll say this. It isn't some sort of cop result of anything. His role seems to contain nothing about such. It seems he just suicided for no reason. Especially since I was the primary wagon. Also echoing what Conq said, why would he wait until late Day 3 to force a 1v1 with his 'guilty'.
Also:
You are Hatate Himekaidou, Town Commuter Cop and a tengu!
So; this adds credence to my claim of Town Youkai, doesn't it? Dorian was a Town Tengu, which is not a human, which is explicitly what is said to be the convert targets.
Anyway, as of now I am not playing for my survival, so let's go back to trying to get the scum lynched, because I am fairly sure there is scum tunneling on my wagon. And a certain player has been doing almost nothing but tunneling on me. Little to no other cases or even comments about other players.
While one could argue this shows confidence in his lynch on me, I argue if he had such confidence, he would have evidence. Also he has not even really made a solid case as to why he is lynching me.
#Vote: PX
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Wait no Dorian wasn't the Tengu Actiondan was.
I find it interesting he did not claim Tengu. Especially with this:
I feel like people who are immune to conversion should at least claim it.
Yes. Yes Actiondan they should. ._.
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I have the moonstone, and yes, Dan claimed to me in it. Thought I'd make this clear from the beginning.
He wanted me to claim cop for him and out his D3 result if it was a guilty. He mentioned nothing about a N1 result, but that makes sense seeing his flip.
Also, I'm requesting that whoever has the moonstone pass it to me if possible. Thanks.
I'm not sure this is a good idea, it seems to have changed due to the Vampire Hunter's (which I'm assuming is Dorian) death.
Raikaria is as good as confirmed scum, anyways; there is no reason why Dorian would be modkilled if it was a gambit, so he truly had a result.
##Vote: Raikaria (L-3 I think?)
Mitsuki, if you thought the game was humans + youkai vs vampires, why was Raikaria scum for claiming youkai?
Because I'm a youkai, couldn't act N2 so I assumed I counted as human. It's not claiming youkai, it's claiming not to count as human.
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[rolespec]Hm... It's a Pseudo-MyLo. We have 10 people. 1 is lynched today. That leaves 9. Next day will start with 8 people because of mafia NK. Maybe 7 if there's a vig. So. For it to be a game over for town i assume mafia has an extra kill. So that leaves 6 players. And if it's indeed a town loss with 6 players alive, then that leaves the only possible solution of 3 vs 3. So, that probably leaves us with 3 scum. [/rolespec]
That out of the way.
So looks like Dorian was our N2 convert. And i don't quite understand what happened, but looks like he just committed suicide, because of failing his PR one time too many. I.e. it was a mod-kill.
And i'll need to reread to check some things out.
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[rolespec]Hm... It's a Pseudo-MyLo. We have 10 people. 1 is lynched today. That leaves 9. Next day will start with 8 people because of mafia NK. Maybe 7 if there's a vig. So. For it to be a game over for town i assume mafia has an extra kill. So that leaves 6 players. And if it's indeed a town loss with 6 players alive, then that leaves the only possible solution of 3 vs 3. So, that probably leaves us with 3 scum. [/rolespec]
That out of the way.
So looks like Dorian was our N2 convert. And i don't quite understand what happened, but looks like he just committed suicide, because of failing his PR one time too many. I.e. it was a mod-kill.
And i'll need to reread to check some things out.
Orz
4 scum. 3 Original, one convert. Pseudo basically means we have a doctor. COME ON
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Also. DORIAN WAS TOWN. NOT SCUM. COME ON
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Also. DORIAN WAS TOWN. NOT SCUM. COME ON
SEE ITS CONFUSING! IM NOT THE ONLY CRAZY ONE
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Look, there can be no possibility that there are only 3 scum including the converted, as that would mean 4 scum in a 15 player game while the scum get 2 vigs and town has a vig that never shot ever. Basically, it would be the most unbalanced set up ever and I would call Affinity to never host a mafia game again. I would hope you all believe Affinity could put up a decently balanced set up.
Anyways, I'd look towards BT, SP, and Shadoweh as possible partners of Raikaria. I'm going to sleep so I'll look more into it tomorrow
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3 scum* not 4
Okay, but basically the idea that there are only 3 scum is silly
G'night
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Here's my personal thoughts on Dorian's role since I played it last time.
1) He was town Vampire, thus immune to conversion and able to act N2
2) He had a power role that could catch scum. He succeeded
3) He was post restricted to never give off the idea that he had that power or that he was a vampire. That was information town was never meant to have. He did, he died for it
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Oh right, and his scum catching powers only worked on N2 since his flip clearly said that he couldn't use his other mushroom power on N2, meaning he had some other power he had to use
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@ PX I am not sure if that makes sense or not, but okay, i am sold.
##Vote Raikaria
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Also i super don't like SB. His play has been not that involved so far without any strong reads and the like. That same could be said against me, but take a look for example at this post (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1133382.html#msg1133382)
He talks about people he mentions. He says that Shadoweh looked townish. Then points why he doesn't like the people on the list and votes me for the reason, that if people think i am scummy i must be scum.
In next post (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1133676.html#msg1133676) he talks some more about other people. No mention of Shadoweh.
And in the next post (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1133687.html#msg1133687) he votes Shadoweh and says he wanted to do it in the last post.
Or maybe i am biassed against people voting for me.
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I skipped plenty of stuff, yay.
I don't think there's a vig? This is probably 6 vs 4 by now.
7 vs 3 with a vig would make D5 4 vs 3 in the worst case scenario, anyways.
I need to reconsider CF7, his D3 was mostly null but his latest post seems to be good. SB never made a case on Shadoweh, and his justification for his vote is pressuring the slot, not finding her scummy. I need to keep thinking about this but I also need to leave.
No, he didn't. Mitsuki can confirm. It was mostly just me rambling and asking Mitsuki where she was.
*confirms*
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Speedposting because the holiday festivities continue and I'll be back at night. (I was away on family trips for the past two days)
I thought Dorian was the recruit at first which really confused me, but then it would have been more obvoius or probably flipped red. The two Dorian posts Affinity quoted makes it sound like it's exactly what PX says. There's also how I don't know why Rai's useless visitor role would be allowed to snoop around on N2 but that's weaker. I'm reasonably certain this scum is confirmed, but let's not rush on MYLO.
I wanna look at Sky and Shadoweh today. I really disliked Sky's reaction to Rai's claim. I don't actually dislike any of Shadoweh's posts but I feel like she's posting too little. Backing off of NekoNekoRawr - I feel like the post where he voted PX isn't a fake reaction.
That's the big stuff. Other things need analysis. Gotta go like right now.
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##Point menacingly at Sky Palladium
I think he's most likely to be scum and Raikaria's partner
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I kept looking for a votecount...
Raikaria: PX, Sky_Paladin, Mitsuki, CF7 (4)
PX: Raikaria (1)
Democracy-hating Scumbags: Shadoweh, Conqueror, DrRawr, BT, SB (5)
With 10 left, it takes 6 to lynch.
2 Tage und 12 Stunden (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141012T22&p0=80&csz=1)
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This is subject to change once I get back from work and read through stuff though
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Also i super don't like SB. His play has been not that involved so far without any strong reads and the like. That same could be said against me, but take a look for example at this post (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1133382.html#msg1133382)
He talks about people he mentions. He says that Shadoweh looked townish. Then points why he doesn't like the people on the list and votes me for the reason, that if people think i am scummy i must be scum.
In next post (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1133676.html#msg1133676) he talks some more about other people. No mention of Shadoweh.
And in the next post (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1133687.html#msg1133687) he votes Shadoweh and says he wanted to do it in the last post.
Or maybe i am biassed against people voting for me.
This case sucks lol. You're basically twisting a single aspect of my attack on you to be scummy when you had no issues with it at the time (and hell, you even claimed as a response to it because ???) which is stupid. I did bring up Shadoweh in that post too. Read harder. This goes for Mitsuki too, since she said she agreed so she clearly didn't read it thoroughly either and I don't think this is the first time it happened >.>
I'm okay with Rawr's posting at the moment.
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Reading back through now, btw.
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This goes for Mitsuki too, since she said she agreed so she clearly didn't read it thoroughly either and I don't think this is the first time it happened >.>
Ugh, disregard what I said. I'm trying to read and pay attention, I don't know how I'm managing to mess up so many times...
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Px probably right in retrospect given Dorian claimed knowing remilia was cr when listed flip said nothing of sort
Mitsuki, how did Dan say he would communicate his result to you given he couldn't communicate it?
That said uh I'm not sure if scum mitsuki would claim here that Dan told him he was cop the ni h t before he died.
Also moonstone changing makes sense given I got a weird result from last night. But I'd still appreciate it aa I might be able to make use of it.
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There isn't actually much I can say or add at this point because the accusations being thrown around seem mainly based on rolespec about stuff from Dorian's flip when Dorian's flip didn't even say anything about a cop.
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I went and played Smash instead again gg.
The main things I got from Raikaria's side interactions:
-With the Day 2 wagons (Raikaria pressing CF7 over Oarfish and tying the votes) went down, I'm more inclined to think CF7 is town?
-Don't think that BT was recruited. Raikaria spent yesterday fearmongering him on the basis that he could be recruited which I don't think he would do as his scumbuddy.
-He hard defended Shadoweh earlygame, then switched to a scumread but he kept finding reasons to ignore her and case other lurkers.
By PoE this leaves Mitsuki/NNRawr/PX, but I probably need to reread people and look at the other side of the interactions.
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There isn't actually much I can say or add at this point because the accusations being thrown around seem mainly based on rolespec about stuff from Dorian's flip when Dorian's flip didn't even say anything about a cop.
Lol then please entertain me. Who are my scum buddies since there is no reason to not assume I'm scum if I'm lynched because game will probably end then
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It's probably 4 scums. I figure the easiest resolution is that it's MYLO because we can no-lynch today and then we'll still have 9 (and not game over) in day 5. However if we mislynched today then it would be game over day 5. That, in my mind, suggests there is no vig although it doesn't rule out the possibility of some kind of defensive town role.
I think Mitsuki scum slipped when she said Dan confirmed his role to her and made some impossible plan where she would fake role for him but there was no way to get the info to her and then he died, etc. So I figure it's Mitsuki/Shadoweh/Raikaria and either BT or CF7.
Since we're in MYLO and scum haven't all jumped on the Raikaria wagon to force end the game yet, I'm gonna stick with the Raikaria vote.
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Lol then please entertain me. Who are my scum buddies since there is no reason to not assume I'm scum if I'm lynched because game will probably end then
I think BT might be converted, especially after his change in play D3; so I'll say BT. Other than that? I'd guess Shadoweh for lurkscum. Not sure about another one; if any; since you don't have that many interactions.
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You're not even trying anymore meh
Anyone else fancy the idea of a mass claim today or do we wait for D5?
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By PoE this leaves Mitsuki/NNRawr/PX, but I probably need to reread people and look at the other side of the interactions.
i dont think thats quite possible with the amount of stupid that came out of my mouth yesterday >.>
-With the Day 2 wagons (Raikaria pressing CF7 over Oarfish and tying the votes) went down, I'm more inclined to think CF7 is town?
this is completely false besides cf7 probably being town
That said uh I'm not sure if scum mitsuki would claim here that Dan told him he was cop the ni h t before he died.
did dan every mention anything about him being a power role? its just his death seems super weird. sorry if he did and its a super obvious post, just having to look through so many posts it gets annoying. also since shadoweh is probably also obvious scum i dont think scum shadoweh would also afk vote mitsuki a whole day
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I've spent 12 hours sleeping, and suddenly the thread is making sense for me.
I still think Raikaria is most likely to be recruit scum, as he began acting weird and switching his suspicions in D3. The amount of recruitmentspec also makes me think that he wanted to drive the attention away from himself to other people for being recruited. Dorian's hidden role also makes sense as a conversion checker, since this setup already has a cop.
Not sure why he claimed to have visited on N2 though; maybe he sent an action and thought the lack of result meant he was already converted to a mafia goon?
I think CF7 is scum with Raikaria. As I mentioned before (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1133389.html#msg1133389), Raikaria switched his vote from CF7 to PX when his CF7 suspicion was much stronger, and he basically ignored CF7 for the most part. This would also make PX town.
BT and Conqueror are town based on associative reads as well, since I don't think Raikaria would be so open about throwing dirt to his buddies.
Mitsuki, how did Dan say he would communicate his result to you given he couldn't communicate it?
He said he'd ask a question to whoever he copped N3, and if it included certain words (scum, guily, mafia) it meant it was a scum result.
I think Mitsuki scum slipped when she said Dan confirmed his role to her and made some impossible plan where she would fake role for him but there was no way to get the info to her and then he died, etc.
what
You can pass a message along with the moonstone and he claimed to me there...
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You're not even trying anymore meh
Anyone else fancy the idea of a mass claim today or do we wait for D5?
Well I can't exactly defend myself from obscene cases like 'Raikaria is playing different Day 3 for reasons we're not explaining' and 'Dorian suicided so Raikaria is scum despite his flip saying nothing to show this'.
And since all the content is about me, I can't exactly form new cases. And I had already exhausted all my stuff by mid Day 3. And Actiondan is dead.
Seriously, well done PX. You and your scum team have been systematically shutting off all my avenues for doing anything. I'm out of cases because I've used everything I think is scummy and the content levels are so darn low it's hilarious. I can't exactly defend myself from the 'case' on me either.
By the way; what actually IS the case at this point?
- 'Raikaria is acting differently Day 3' - Well; firstly; I couldn't have been converted. Actiondan's flip proves town-sided non-humans do exist. You do not have any reason to doubt my claim of Youkai; and thus nonconvertible. Secondly; quantification of this is hard.
- 'Dorian suicided' - And how exactly does this prove me scum? Dorian's flip says nothing about investigation; or even how he suicided. Sorry but there's nothing that is actually evidence here. For all we know scum gave him a taboo which if he broke he would die and he decided to play it up to try and get me lynched for god knows what reason.
Aside from those two heavily flawed points; what is the actual case on me? I'd at least like to know why I am being strung up so I can defend myself; or so town knows after I flip who to string up for pushing such a silly wagon.
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Ya'll graced with my presence as my internet decided to turn back on, bask in the wonders of my miracles!
I supose the probable teams are different depending on whether Rairai is recruit scum or not, but anyone thinking he's a recruit is kind of dumb? He wouldn't have a fakeclaim to mess up if he started as a human, numnuts.
Mitsuki has been making cases on other people based on me being scum. Pretty easy to retract when I theoretically flip town and everything is wrong. The parts she's claiming about what Dan said sound like things Dan would have said, but it's pretty easy to just repeat what a real townie said. (see: every QT ever).
Also you all need to learn how to read, Dorian flipped Town Mycologist, not Mafia Goon. It was even in green! (i thought he was a miller, I didn't realize he was actually a vampire instead of just looking like one)
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Also Mitsuki:
Actiondan flipped Tengu. I claim Youkai. The rules state the vampires can only convert Humans
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Aside from those two heavily flawed points; what is the actual case on me? I'd at least like to know why I am being strung up so I can defend myself; or so town knows after I flip who to string up for pushing such a silly wagon.
"It is now Day Four. It also now psuedo-MyLO. While no lynch is guaranteed to not end the game, a mislynch may result in a loss for town."
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Seriously, in the off-chance you're town, you realize that we can lose after tonight, right?
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Mitsuki has been making cases on other people based on me being scum. Pretty easy to retract when I theoretically flip town and everything is wrong. The parts she's claiming about what Dan said sound like things Dan would have said, but it's pretty easy to just repeat what a real townie said. (see: every QT ever).
What? No. I've been thinking you're null.
I don't understand what you're trying to say with the second sentence.
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Seriously, in the off-chance you're town, you realize that we can lose after tonight, right?
I assume there is a chance that the game does not end tonight if we mislynch because if there was a chance it could be LYLO it would be pseudo LYLO; not MYLO.
And it's njot an off chance I am town. There isn't even a solid case on which which stands on it's own two feet without a glaring flaw like 'Dorian's flip doesn't contain anything which shows I am not town'.
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...It's 10 players with probably 4 scum, I'd say you're much better off treating this like MYLO.
It isn't hard to see what Affinity was trying to point at in the post with the Dorian quotes. C'mon, look at the parts he ended up quoting. Dorian helped people think he had a guilty on you and that caused his death. I also don't see why your visitor role should have N2 privileges if it's at best a weak bastardly role.
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...It's 10 players with probably 4 scum, I'd say you're much better off treating this like MYLO.
It isn't hard to see what Affinity was trying to point at in the post with the Dorian quotes. C'mon, look at the parts he ended up quoting. Dorian helped people think he had a guilty on you and that caused his death. I also don't see why your visitor role should have N2 privileges if it's at best a weak bastardly role.
That is not a question to ask me but the mod.
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I don't like this situation one bit.
I'll ##Unvote for now. And i'll try to iso some people and watch some interactions.
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Wait a second yeah.
If it's 10/4 it should be MYLO outright. So not sure why it's Puesdo-MYLO; unless that's saying there is a chance that it could be LYLO; but in that case I'd say Psuedo-LYLO.
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It's (probably) psuedo-MYLO because we can no-lynch today and not have an automatic game over at night phase due to outnumbering. If we mislynched today, though, it'll probably be GG during the night phase, barring role shenanigans.
I'll underscore the case on Raikaria when I get back from shopping, but basically -
Voting all over the place, typical of somebody who doesn't really care who gets lynched as long as it's not them (so at best, ITP).
Vote for PX is terribad, basically OMGUS.
Dorian stated guilty on Raikaria and was modkilled for it.
Handed out arbitrary townclear on me when nobody should be town confirming me unless they're a cop, and our cop died already so.
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It's (probably) psuedo-MYLO because we can no-lynch today and not have an automatic game over at night phase due to outnumbering. If we mislynched today, though, it'll probably be GG during the night phase, barring role shenanigans.
I'll underscore the case on Raikaria when I get back from shopping, but basically -
Voting all over the place, typical of somebody who doesn't really care who gets lynched as long as it's not them (so at best, ITP).
Vote for PX is terribad, basically OMGUS.
Dorian stated guilty on Raikaria and was modkilled for it.
Handed out arbitrary townclear on me when nobody should be town confirming me unless they're a cop, and our cop died already so.
Well; this is the most solid case so far on me I'll give it that.
- Voteswitching: I was trying to push cases. I failed. Hence the voteswitching
- Px vote: I have had a negative opinion of PX since D1; even before he started pushing on me.
- Dorian: Again; his role does not state anywhere that he has cop abilities. Speculate on his death as much as you want; there is no hard evidence here
- Townclear on you: Misrep. I have a TOWNREAD on you; not a TOWNCLEAR.
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Also if I didn't care about the lynch I wouldn't have kept trying to push wagons until mid Day 3 where I literally ran out of cases.
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- Townclear on you: Misrep. I have a TOWNREAD on you; not a TOWNCLEAR.
To specify; I do not have a Townclear on anybody. Except myself. I have townreads but no townclears; especially factoring in the conversion.
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Raikaria;
Made a bunch of cases on various people days 1 - 2 but his status report (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1133236.html#msg1133236) is basically saying a bunch of people are town or null. Only says scum in association with 'lurkscum Dan', who flipped green cop. Bad.
This kind of thing "But seeing the opinions of people seems to be against my logic on PX, I might just back off back to CF7 again" in 390 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1133397.html#msg1133397) is kind of a great example, on the previous page he called out PX and now he's abandoning it almost immediately.
This post (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1133349.html#msg1133349) where he explains his vote for PX is because of PX's illogic. PX is voting Raikaria because Raikaria said stuff that showed him criminally unaware of game state and Raikaria voted him for it, however PX was in the right. So that's why I initially voted Raikaria on day 3. I was having doubts when I started thinking Oarfish was faking a PR though.
Anyway then this happened.
N1 target was Mitsuki. N2 target was Dormio. Strangely enough I got roleblocked N2. (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1133957.html#msg1133957)
Well; I think I got roleblocked. I got a 'your night action failed' message. Not sure if I failed to visit because Dormio died or I was roleblocked or what. (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1133958.html#msg1133958)
Re: Conq, "Why did you target those?"
I chose them because I felt like it. (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1133970.html#msg1133970)
Could not explain reason for targeting.
So we have an unfortunate coincidence, Raikaria.
You admitted to targeting a player who died when only scum should have been able to target anybody, and this is consistent with Dorian's story that lead to his self destruct.
You also can't explain why you would have targeted Dormio when Dormio was supposedly ascetic. That is the same as wasting your night action.
The clear explanation is that the reason you could target Dormio is because you are the scum janitor.
You are also implying that you have an immune to conversion role which is dumb. The role would surely state "Because you are Youkai, you can act on night 2 and also are immune to conversion" if those things were in effect. So you should know if you are immune/able to act and not as a secondary explanation to questioning suddenly realise "Oh yeah, maybe I could act because I'm not a human". It reeks of making it up as you go along. It seems like half the game is immune to conversion.
Finally some reads.
here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1133990.html#msg1133990)
Main point is Raikaria forgot I was in the game but said this:
Lurkereads on:
Shadoweh; Actiondan; PX; anyone not mentioned
And then adds me in the next post as town read.
I'd like to see explanations for your scum/town reads. You also state that you targeted Shadoweh last night but didn't explan why :/
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Those Lalatmas aren't acquiring themselves, you know!
Raikaria: PX, Sky_Paladin, Mitsuki (3)
PX: Raikaria (1)
Democracy-hating Scumbags: Shadoweh, Conqueror, DrRawr, BT, SB, CF7 (6)
With 10 left, it takes 6 to lynch.
1 Day, 11 Hours remaining (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141012T22&p0=80&csz=1)
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Do I require a reasson to use a random visitor role on anyone? With Shadoweh's content levels I think it is a good chance that Shadoweh is scum.
And I've given my cases on people I think are scum to death already. The people I think are town all have something in common: They are actually putting effort in the game; which looks like town effort; and are doing more than just tunneling on one person. They are looking at the larger picture. Put simply; you; Conq; Mitsuki and to a lesser extent SB look a lot more like townies than PX; Shadoweh and CF7. Rawr is a nullread since he kinda only just joined the game; and BT I think has a good shot at being the convert; because his play has drastically changed as of D3; not to mention his activity dropped off the face of the earth. He went from being my strongest townread barring maybe Conq to what he is now.
Not to mention his complete 180 stance on some players; most jarringly me.
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I mean I'd probobly think a little better of PX if he'd done something notable except tunnel on me for no really specified reason; virtually ignoring most other events since about D2.
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Raikaria, the case on you is pretty much what Sky_Paladin summarized up. Too many coincidences, plus the fact that your posting today is more similar today to scum under pressure in lylo than town (from past experience reading lylos). Seriously though, how did you not come to the conclusion today that "being lynched today" --> "town loss" from pseudo-MYLO.
re: your case on pxWhile one could argue this shows confidence in his lynch on me, I argue if he had such confidence, he would have evidence. Also he has not even really made a solid case as to why he is lynching me.
#Vote: PX
This pretty much shows you aren't reading PX's quotes or Dorian's flips. I also get the nagging suspicion that you're scum here pushing PX because it leaves the least trails to follow afterwards. You say "And I've given my cases on people I think are scum to death already." but the only person I remember you making a case on since D3ish was Dorian.
Despite all this, I'm almost tempted to lynch Shadoweh over Raikaria, since all she's had to mention in terms of reads, even after I basically begged her for them, is role/setupspec + that Mitsuki is assuming that Shadoweh is scum, which isn't even true. I want to pull a Faraday and lynch unconfirmed scum over almost confirmed scum. :V
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##Vote: Shadoweh
I'm curious as to what will happen if I do this.
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If Raikaria is scum, Shadoweh is almost certainly scum due to interactions. SB went over them already but I could probably summarize them again later.
If Raikaria is town, Shadoweh is almost certainly scum for playing around on the sidelines talking about roles while Raikaria is run up.
Add general play for reasons Shadoweh is scum and we're golden.
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Raikaria, the case on you is pretty much what Sky_Paladin summarized up. Too many coincidences, plus the fact that your posting today is more similar today to scum under pressure in lylo than town (from past experience reading lylos). Seriously though, how did you not come to the conclusion today that "being lynched today" --> "town loss" from pseudo-MYLO.
re: your case on pxThis pretty much shows you aren't reading PX's quotes or Dorian's flips. I also get the nagging suspicion that you're scum here pushing PX because it leaves the least trails to follow afterwards. You say "And I've given my cases on people I think are scum to death already." but the only person I remember you making a case on since D3ish was Dorian.
Despite all this, I'm almost tempted to lynch Shadoweh over Raikaria, since all she's had to mention in terms of reads, even after I basically begged her for them, is role/setupspec + that Mitsuki is assuming that Shadoweh is scum, which isn't even true. I want to pull a Faraday and lynch unconfirmed scum over almost confirmed scum. :V
Being lynched today probobly means a town loss but it's not 100% I believe because it is pusedo-MYLO.
If Raikaria is scum, Shadoweh is almost certainly scum due to interactions. SB went over them already but I could probably summarize them again later.
If Raikaria is town, Shadoweh is almost certainly scum for playing around on the sidelines talking about roles while Raikaria is run up.
Add general play for reasons Shadoweh is scum and we're golden.
The only interactions with me that show Shadoweh is scum are her attempts to lynch me. I don't quite understand how people are drawing Shadoweh+Me scumbuddies.
That said; I think Shadoweh is scum and I will wholeheartedly support lynching her if this is actually going to be a thing. I'd rather we lynch PX because I think PX has a better chance of being scum but I feel Shadoweh has a good chance too. [If I had to put numbers on it; I'd say I'm 90% sure PX is scum and 80% sure Shadoweh is.]
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Shadoweh hasn't shown interest in your lynch before today and even then it's just poking at why your roleclaim probably isn't legit. It's more your hard defense on D1, followed by repeated categorizing of Shadoweh under lurker category but always pursuing other lurkers over her.
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*before the roleclaim yesterday
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Motivation when there's pretty much a guilty is hard. Still need to reread.
I think PX suggested a massclaim? I'm against this because there's still a protective role probably if it didn't get janitored and if the first game is anything to go by another info role too.
I don't like how CF7 ignored my response to his case and did nothing? At least acknowledge it or something.
Conq: I'm working off the assumption that Raikaria is scum since he wasn't quickhammered at L-2, and that'd imply scum was either too inactive to vote their or the scumteam makes up most of his wagon, and I'm inclined to think that Mitsuki is town atm and Sky too probably. 100% down with lynching Shadoweh tomorrow for reasons already stated, although if a vig could be me to it that'd be great. Kind of doubt it after Raikaria today, but.
Also, what's a Faraday?
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Conq: I'm working off the assumption that Raikaria is scum since he wasn't quickhammered at L-2
This is probably true. although I don't know if scum would quickhammer when they dont know the reasons behind psuedomylo.
Faraday is ~96k coulombs just some guy who played mafia and did what I was saying. :V
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fakeedit: in the game I'm referring to he lynched an unknown over a revived, flipped scum. although in that game it was absolutely the right thing to do given multiball shenanigans.
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The potential of a doc save or a hit BPV actually happening is pretty low and I'd imagine scum has some kind of info if the last game is anything to go off of. I also think that Shadoweh is more likely to be the jan or the recruiter, whereas Raikaria could potentially be an actual role.
Also quickhammering wouldn't expose too many of their members when it was at L-2 either so it wasn't as if the game was unsalvagable after that happened either.
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Also uh, where did the unrecruitable stone or w/e end up on N2?
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Unknown person --> BT --> Dan --> Mitsuki.
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##Unvote
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COOL STUFF ON CF7:
-He used the "I wanted to get reactions and move on RVS" as an excuse for not having strong opinions in PAD, whereas his ED1 play in Tic Tac Toe was a lot more decisive than what he put out here, where it didn't feel like he was strongly invested in his scumreads. His play here leans more towards the former imo.
-This (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131646.html#msg1131646) post implies he has setup info kind of, then he claims VT?
-He sat on the sidelines when the D1 lynch happened and said "meh I don't like these" but didn't try and press anyone else.
-He jumped from disliking Shadoweh (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131743.html#msg1131743) to she's likely town (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131646.html#msg1131646) with no explanation after she posted uh, maybe once?
-He basically parks his suspicion on Mitsuki D2 without actually doing anything which is super easy considering that she didn't post.
-He only really posts opinions when it gets fairly close to the deadline D2.
-He says that he'll drop Mitsuki because it's not productive and then never forms a stance on anyone else which is even worse.
-He has suspicions of PX and NNR over the course of the game (PX first I think) but then drops them completely unless people ask him what he thinks of them.
So yeah we have our lynch after Shadoweh? Maybe even before then, actually.
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Yeah I'm definitely feeling Shadoweh.
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>_> You wouldn't. You know Faraday lynched confirmed scum that day too. (oh i guess we're thinking of diffrent games)
Also stop feeling me, thAT'S sexual harrassment! It's one of my 92 triggers!
Are you really going to make me do this today? I was kind of hoping to talk tomorrow since we're confirmed not to lose today.
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>_> You wouldn't. You know Faraday lynched confirmed scum that day too. (oh i guess we're thinking of diffrent games)
Also stop feeling me, thAT'S sexual harrassment! It's one of my 92 triggers!
Are you really going to make me do this today? I was kind of hoping to talk tomorrow since we're confirmed not to lose today.
Or we can talk today
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Who do you think is the scums Shadoweh?
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Ugh. I don't have time for this. I was invited to a birthday and i am leaving my houwe in half an hour or so. I'll post, when i get back i guess.
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Shadoweh hasn't shown interest in your lynch before today and even then it's just poking at why your roleclaim probably isn't legit. It's more your hard defense on D1, followed by repeated categorizing of Shadoweh under lurker category but always pursuing other lurkers over her.
I thought she pushed me before I claimed. I recall her stating a dislike before than for sure.
And I only perused one person for actually lurking; and that was ActionDan. And his lurking was worse than Shadoweh's IMO. My NNR vote was simply Not Me Over Me. Had Shadoweh and NNR had equal votes I would have gone with Shadoweh.
But actions speak louder than words, and I am giving up hope of a PX counter-wagon to save this game anyway. So let's save the game on my 80% confidence throw rather than my 90% confidence throw.
#Unvote
#Vote: Shadoweh
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To note; I was calling out Dan for lurking since Day 1. Day 2 was when I said Shadoweh; and several other players, were 'almost at the point where I would vote them for lurkscum'.
So it logically follows that I would vote Dan for lurking over Shadoweh; and that is why I thought Dan was a 'worse' lurker. Dan had little to no content at all. Shadoweh had little content D1 but it had a hell of a lot more effort than Dan's D1.
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To note; I was calling out Dan for lurking since Day 1.
Nope.jpg
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Oh, and for more fun, here's your day 2 on Dan/Shadoweh
First post of D2
Other people I dislike include ActionDan [Content]
After not mentioning Dan once all of D1
Saying you don't like cases on Shadoweh. Again.
Also I think it's worth pointing out that while the vibes are not quite as bad, Shadoweh is seeming a noticeably less present. That said, maybe that's a towntell from her, since if I recall her most active games are scum @_@
Shadoweh is lurking but that just makes her town.
And no Dormio; I'm not chainsaw defending Shadoweh. I'm attacking weak cases.
I'm not defending her, but attacking cases on her.
Honestly I wouldn't mind seeing Actiondan on the chopping block too. His entire game has been rather... bad.
Screw it; I'll do this just to see what the reaction to it is and if there's support.
Mentioning Dan for the second time all game towards the end of D2
I'm guessing from the lack of discussion about Actiondan that people don't want to lynch him.
Then giving up an hour later.
So yeah, that's your entire D2 on them. Not buying whatever you're saying.
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and several other players, were 'almost at the point where I would vote them for lurkscum'.
I think everybody is scum! See, I mentioned them in this very vague wording that pretty much includes whoever I want!
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I'm quite late for this, but I'm ok with a Shadoweh lynch (not today, of course). The post (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1134605.html#msg1134605) where she claims that all my suspicions are based on her being scum is super self conscious, and while I don't think that self-consciousness can be applied as a scumtell for everyone, I think it's very telling for her. I don't think Shadoweh would be paranoid enough to have that train of thought if she were town.
Out of SB, Rawr/NNR and Paladin, I think the one with the most chances to turn scum is NNRawr. I'm finding SB and Paladin slightly townie on gut, and NNR was scummy for the reasons I already stated (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1133389.html#msg1133389). I definitely need to think more about this, though.
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Checking in. Bleh, I'm busy today but I'll be around to contribute a vote at the very least.
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I'm sure I made some jabs along the lines of [In]ActionDan during Day 1. Whatever. I defended Shadoweh D1 because I thought that the cases on her at that point were very, very weak to the degree of some of them being non-existent. I guess I wasn't so much defending Shadoweh as attacking poor cases which happened to be on her.
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Just a reminder to you communist freedom hating hippies, the phase ends with a majority, if there's no hammer. If we don't get enough votes on Raikaria, scums can pile on to whomever they damn please at phase end.
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Just a reminder to you communist freedom hating hippies, the phase ends with a majority, if there's no hammer. If we don't get enough votes on Raikaria Shadoweh, scums can pile on to whomever they damn please at phase end.
Fixed it.
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##Vote: Raiakria
murca
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I am semi-sober and at the same time semi-drunk.
@SB.
First re:Shadoweh and you. I missed bit about you mentioning her. Oops.
Not about super cool stuff.
-He used the "I wanted to get reactions and move on RVS" as an excuse for not having strong opinions in PAD, whereas his ED1 play in Tic Tac Toe was a lot more decisive than what he put out here, where it didn't feel like he was strongly invested in his scumreads. His play here leans more towards the former imo.
-This (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131646.html#msg1131646) post implies he has setup info kind of, then he claims VT?
-He sat on the sidelines when the D1 lynch happened and said "meh I don't like these" but didn't try and press anyone else.
-He jumped from disliking Shadoweh (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131743.html#msg1131743) to she's likely town (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1131646.html#msg1131646) with no explanation after she posted uh, maybe once?
-He basically parks his suspicion on Mitsuki D2 without actually doing anything which is super easy considering that she didn't post.
-He only really posts opinions when it gets fairly close to the deadline D2.
-He says that he'll drop Mitsuki because it's not productive and then never forms a stance on anyone else which is even worse.
-He has suspicions of PX and NNR over the course of the game (PX first I think) but then drops them completely unless people ask him what he thinks of them.
- I am super-chaotic in my meta and it's not really indicative tbh.
- Please, tell me where it implies that i have setup info?
- Not motivated to say anything if i can't do anything because could not be around deadline, therefore can't really impact decision anyway.
- Almost 24 hours passed between those posts. Also reread happened.
- Considering how D1 ended, lack of the NK and how the game works it was kind of natural to further your D1 reads.
- Mostly no-one talks when i am awake. So i only posted around the time those people would be awake.
- Consider that noone listens to what you say and convince me, that trying to do anything has any point.
- I am still willing to lynch them (Rarw has disappeared from the face of the Earth). Again if people do not want to do it, one opinion won't change much.
Anyway. Not interested.
cut by Rawr. And wow. Here he is.
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##Vote DrRawr.
That Raikaria vote is awful.
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i dont understand isnt raikaria scum?
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You know what? I want a mass claim right now before scum have a chance to work on their fake claims. Doctor if you exist, please do not claim doctor unless you can self protect >_>
Raikaria, you're not convincing anyone to vote Shadoweh over you
Cuts: what the fuck
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Please PLEASE unvote CF7
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If you insist.
I still don't like that slot.
##Unvote.
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i just dont understand this game anymore. i vote scum and i get voted for it :(
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Well i am not really convinced that Raikaria is scum. Maybe i'm wrong. Also your past life is not forgotten.
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that is a very unsatisfying response :colbert:
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Not about super cool stuff.
- I am super-chaotic in my meta and it's not really indicative tbh.
- Please, tell me where it implies that i have setup info?
- Not motivated to say anything if i can't do anything because could not be around deadline, therefore can't really impact decision anyway.
- Almost 24 hours passed between those posts. Also reread happened.
- Considering how D1 ended, lack of the NK and how the game works it was kind of natural to further your D1 reads.
- Mostly no-one talks when i am awake. So i only posted around the time those people would be awake.
- Consider that noone listens to what you say and convince me, that trying to do anything has any point.
- I am still willing to lynch them (Rarw has disappeared from the face of the Earth). Again if people do not want to do it, one opinion won't change much.
-This isn't convincing me. Complacency is scummy anyway.
-Because you being a VT would tell you fuck all about the setup, which you implied that you DID know something about in that response to Raikaria.
-You were around 2 hours before, you don't need to be there right at the end to contribute.
-You said nothing about rereading at the time. I don't buy it.
-You didn't further it, you just parked and no other suspicions emerged. You don't tend to heavily rely on NKA anyway so I don't even see why this is a point?
-You can post when people are asleep or away though? This is dumb.
-If you're pushing hipster reads that nobody else has, I would expect you to have more conviction if anything considering you're the only one buying into it.
-You have mentioned nothing on them, so I don't see the assumption I made as unreasonable.
also lmao that rawr vote.
PX: scum won't have another janitor (or else they would've used it on Dan anyway) and I figure that they have other claims worked out anyway. I agree with doing it tomorrow, but not today.
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There might be no tomorrow.
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My head hurts about CF7 voting Rawr.
And CF7 voting Rawr is beneficial to me. Kinda. If you want me to not get lynched CF7 you should be lynching Shadoweh for all her lurking in the shadows evilness.
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Can't we just hammer Raikaria? I don't think this discussion is helping.
Maybe we should wait a little more but considering how things are going I would rather not go to sleep without knowing everything's ok.
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I dunno. Due to the N2 conversion i just can't trust anyone. BT is kinda nullish due to it. PX The only one i probably trust is Conq. And yet i am not 100% sure about him. So. It's confusing. Also i am going to sleep soon, and won't be awake before the time limit expires.
I could lynch Shadoweh for her sorta unusual lurkiness. I could lynch Raikaria for his overall flip-floppy D1-D3. I could lynch NNRawr for NNR weird Me => PX switch outburst. I could lynch Mitsuki for her general tunneling on me for the better half of a game over a trivial reason. Looks like SB is trying to throw lots of shit on me and see what sticks. And i could go on. Don't like this whole conversion mechanics. It's too confusing.
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It's called making a case on you. Speaking of which, you haven't responded to it.
There's gonna be a tomorrow because Raikaria wasn't quickhammered earlier so he's probably maf. We don't have time to massclaim today anyway, considering time is almost up. I'm down with hammering soon just so that phase end can be at a time that isn't 5am for me.
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It's called making a case on you. Speaking of which, you haven't responded to it.
There's gonna be a tomorrow because Raikaria wasn't quickhammered earlier so he's probably maf. We don't have time to massclaim today anyway, considering time is almost up. I'm down with hammering soon just so that phase end can be at a time that isn't 5am for me.
Considering at worst I have been at L-3 and thus this would mean for a scum quickhammer it would not only require three scum; who are not already on my wagon; to be online at once to do so; but also with no communication:
4. Mafia are allowed to communicate in a QT at any time during D1 and D2. On subsequent days, they may only communicate during the night.
So if they tried to quickhammer but failed because one of them was not on or something it would be pretty obvious who was scum. Quickhammering at L-3 isn't exactly an event which marks me as confirmed scum by it not happening.
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I mean if the entire scumteam was online at once and had communication abilities then maybe the fact I've not been quickhammered might be a sign that I am scum. But they don't have communication and 3 of 4 [?] of them would have to be online simultaneously.
Maybe a lack of me being hammered if I was at L-2 for a decent period would be a bad sign, but there'#s hardly enough time left to say '2 scums would have seen the L-2 for sure'.
Honestly; is the justification for my lynch this bad that people have to reach for stuff like this?
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It's called making a case on you. Speaking of which, you haven't responded to it.
I did. And your general response to it was more or less "don't buy it, not convinced and it's dumb".
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Raikaria: You've been at L-2 earlier and they could've just voted on you anyway without getting pressure for it considering that there's basically nobody on your side lol. There's plenty more to the case on you, there's just no point repeating it since you're pretty much confirmed anyway.
CF7: Wording about not responding to my case was dumb but barely acknowledging my response is dumb.
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Don't care.
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Anyway. Going to sleep.
##Vote Shadoweh
Because lurking sucks.
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Is the scumteam Raikaria/CF7/Shadoweh? Because of my god if it is
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mfw I realized I'm actually due for a prod.
I don't think CF7 is scum because the stuff he's saying is too wtf to come from scum, but your mileage may vary.
The people who should be talking the most are talking the least. Deadline is soon anyway so I can hammer if needed.
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I don't think CF7 is scum because the stuff he's saying is too wtf to come from scum, but your mileage may vary.
This isn't a good towntell, see Raikaria's play.
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Conq, who else is scum besides Shadoweh (and Raikaria) if CF7 isn't?
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This isn't a good towntell, see Raikaria's play.
True, but I rarely see scum go "but what if he's town???" when their buddy is on the chopping block and literally no one else is opposing. It just looks bad unless you're a ballsy scumplayer.
SB: I'm not exactly saying CF7 isn't scum, but several things dont match up, including Raikaria handwaving Oarfish as town for some lackluster posts in favour of a counter CF7 wagon, as well as some other stuff. Maybe I'll go over them before phase end if I have time.
My picks are BT for recruit!scum (re: raikaria wouldn't throw bad suspicion on a recruited scumbuddy, Chaore tried some terrible distancing with me in NotV the original and it worked). 3rd original scum would be rawr, Mitsuki, or CF7. Mitsuki for paranoia and rawr for replacing in and doing nothing with the slot. >_>
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The Shadoweh votepark on Mitsuki at the start of D3 could be distancing given Shadoweh thought I was giving info that would slamdunk Mitsuki. Parallel would be me squeezing onto a Chaore wagon on Notv the original after like 3 townies piled on him for terrible reasons, but I didn't want to look bad off the wagon.
I'm not sure about Mitsuki though because a lot of this could just be dislike of the way she's handling CF7.
I think CF7 is scum with Raikaria. As I mentioned before (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1133389.html#msg1133389), Raikaria switched his vote from CF7 to PX when his CF7 suspicion was much stronger, and he basically ignored CF7 for the most part. This would also make PX town.
What about taking into account that Raikaria was pushing the CF7 wagon over oarfish on D2, which is more relevant because a) deadline wagon and b) scum dont want to push their N2 roles before they activate on N2?
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b) scum dont want to lynch their N2 roles before they activate on N2?
fixed.
pushing is easy, but cf7 was really close to a lynch at that point.
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okay, looking back maybe he wasn't really close given how far we were from majority at that point >_> but when raikaria went to sleep they were pretty much tied. it would have been really easy to go on the other sdie of the wagon isntead of going for a risky distancing tactic.
(also, reiterating that you should give me the moonstone I might be able to figure out what's up with it and what happened to part of my role)
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Speaking of which. One thingin favour of Mitsuki town though is that she claimed Dan claimed cop to her via moonstone. It would be really easy not to claim that as scum since it looks pretty incriminating at a surface glance.
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Hmmm
So Raikaria, Shadoweh, Sky Paladin with BT recruit scum?
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Oh, I forgot about Sky. Meh, I'd lynch rawr over him I think. >_>
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Even the autumn leaves are red nowadays
Raikaria: PX, Sky_Paladin, Mitsuki (3)
Shadoweh: Raikaria, CF7 (2)
Opposers against Opinion: Shadoweh, Conqueror, DrRawr, BT, SB (5)
With 10 left, it takes 6 to lynch.
3+ Hours remaining (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141012T22&p0=80&csz=1)
Note: No prods will be given for 24 hr no voting today
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2 hours. Start voting Raikaria now guys
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##Vote: Raikaria
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##Vote: Raiakria
murca
Affinity, you forgot to count this.
I knew we were closer to lynch than that :V
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Every season has its color
Raikaria: PX, Sky_Paladin, Mitsuki, rawr, Conq (5)
Shadoweh: Raikaria, CF7 (2)
Opposers against Opinion: Shadoweh, BT, SB (3)
With 10 left, it takes 6 to lynch.
1 Hour remaining (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141012T22&p0=80&csz=1)
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I'm down with a full claim tomorrow, if the game isn't over.
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See, I told you you wouldn't. :V
Somehow I don't think the game will be over with everyone having posted by this point. I can hammer when needed.
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Because mafia is too hard.
I just hope you're not actually town.
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Also, the game I was thinking of was Chrono Trigger Resurrection
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Oh god is it over yet?
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And so ends another day in a hammerless game. Maybe we can keep this streak up
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You know, at this point I'm almost hoping that Raikaria flips town. Then I can give you all the bird and have a legitimate reason to quit mafia forever
until the next time.
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Well it's not like the scums were gonna hammer their buddy, right?
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You know, at this point I'm almost hoping that Raikaria flips town. Then I can give you all the bird and have a legitimate reason to quit mafia forever until the next time.
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Hm... I woke up. I wonder if my vote will count. Anyway worth a try i guess.
##Unvote
##Vote Raikaria
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Sorry I'm late gosh.
Every season has its color
Raikaria: PX, Sky_Paladin, Mitsuki, rawr, Conq, CF7 (hammer)
Shadoweh: Raikaria, CF7 (2)
Opposers against Opinion: Shadoweh, BT, SB (3)
With 10 left, it takes 6 to lynch.
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It is now Twilight Four
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There was something... off about Byakuren Hijiri. For a Buddhist monk, she just seemed a bit too ravenous during meals, too brash and inquisitive in normal conversation, too indulgent and cheerful during lynches and deaths. Rumors circulated around that she was a mere imposter, and town would have perhaps lynched her if they came to a quicker consensus.
But the thing was, Raikaria exuded a sort of charisma; a sort of fervency and indignance to his words that was almost religious in their intonation. She shouted, complained, accused, all with a voice that seem to come on high. The people then had second doubts; how could a vampire be so... hot-blooded? Eventually they discredited the rumors, and ignored her altogether. Only Marisa Kirasame was able to see her for who she was (the telltale signs, the constant flight into the shadows, the licking of lips and baring of fangs). But even her words could not sway town, and she had to resort to releasing forbidden information to prove her point, paying a dear price for it. Her flip was even that of a deranged person, who lost her touch with reality long ago, with signs that she was not to be trusted...
Town believed in Marisa, however! They believed in their friend of the past rather than the mushroom addict of the present, and rallied around her words with renewed strength! As the day ended and words came to rest, they started charging at Raikaria with full force; pitchforks, garlic, silver crosses, whatever, whichever! The truth was that none of these articles were truly effective against vampires, but even so, it was the sentiment that was the source of their strength. Very soon, cracks began to show, eyes started to glow, and Flandre Scarlet was soon reduced to a little child, crying out for her sister to save her.
No answer came. The lynch proceeded hastily and effeciently to cheers from all side, concluded just before the sun had fully set. Now town was more confident and cocky in their future. When one fell, others were sure to follow, they said, and they sang songs loudly and danced around fires bravely, even amidst the deep dark night and the waning gibbous.
Only a few in the know stayed at home, remembering the damanku of times past and lamenting over the death of Flandre Scarlet, Mafia 1-shot Janitor Vig. If only things could be different, they thought, but emptily.
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Raikaria's flip is as follows:
You are Flandre Scarlet, Mafia one-shot Janitor Vig and aligned with the scum.
Things are gonna be really really fun nowadays! You're not quite sure what your sister's so sad about, but now she's finally given you full rein to do whatever you want!
You have the abilities:
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Consume (active) - On N2, you must target someone and attempt to suck them dry. This kill will pierce through all protection, and the leftover body will be so mutilated that no one will know who the victim is (flip concealed). However you'll probably not remember anything yourself, so you won't get a flip either.
One-shot hitman (active) - If you are conducting the NK, you may choose to use your hitman shot. It will pierce through all forms of protection as well.
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You know that Byakuren Hijiri is not in the game, and thus you can fakeclaim as her if you wish, as a travelling missionary wishing to spread the tenets of Buddhism.
You win when scum form the majority.
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It is now Night Four. You have 24 hours remaining (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141014T01&p0=80&msg=End+of+N4&csz=1) to submit any night actions.
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Flavor text updated in the previous page. >_>
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Sun rose brightly, happily. As if by miracle, there was no dead body in the town square to greet the villagers today. Birds were chirping, the scarlet mist seemed weaker than usual, and the unwatched fields of squashed fruit and overgrown wheat seemed to call for a bountiful harvest (though Minoriko knew the situation well enough to restrain herself).
So fickle was human nature, to call for a ceaseless celebration even in the midst of tragedy! But town must fight on; themselves as much as the scum.
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It is now Day Five. No one died last night. It is now no longer psuedo-MyLO.
With 9 remaining, it takes 5 to lynch. You have 72 hours remaining. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141017T0119&p0=80&msg=End+of+D5)
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##Vote Mitsuki
Patchouli Knowledge, Human Vanilla Town.
You're next
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Nobody died, so basically we either have two confirmed innocents, or one confirmed innocent and one confirmed scum. How can we lose now? :V
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Also somehow I feel like only Conq and I are playing right now :|
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I I I Groot am am am Groot I I I
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Actually
[/b]Unvote
Vote Shadoweh [/b]
Idk, the only possible recruits are BT or SB. Sky I can see as a last second butchered distancing, Shadoweh is very possible Raikaria partner. The NKs are definitely a little weird though, unless they had a Rolecop on Dan. Dormio's kill actually makes sense in light of the Raikaria flip. So yeah, I can totally see BT/Shadoweh making that kill because it's super safe
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Oh god I'm bad
Unvote
Vote Shadoweh
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Mitsuki trying to validate Raikaria's claim is definitely throwing me off though. I want her claim first
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You're so ungrateful PX. Is this because I messed up your strategy? :V
I said I wanted to talk about it today and there's no point in waiting, I'm the Doctor and I'm pretty sure I just saved from dying last night.
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Nah, Mitsuki is probably town. Would still like her to claim first though for reasons.
My action failed for some reason which is >.> but eh.
Cut. Didn't you claim vanilla before? Who did you save?
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Mitsuki is town.
Shadoweh screwed up her fakeclaim by forgetting she claimed VT already. :V
Getting the moonstone last night gave me a reflexive roleblock. There's your blocked kill.
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You also blocked me, so uh, thanks for that ;_;
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Mitsuki claimed to me last night via moonstone ftr. I have an activated BP I can use tonight so no worries about me dying. I don't think she should claim just yet, although she can if she wants to.
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Oh. Sorry? :V
Eh. Mitsuki could be scum I guess but I don't think so. We have an extra day now till LYLO so :toot:
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Should we just sort out massclaim today? Doc can claim VT or something if they're under pressure or can't self-doc.
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hmm shadoweh didn't technically claim vt, but it was heavily implied.
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I'm not honestly hot on a PX lynch, even if policy sucks he's stating his opinions on others on the off-side. Looking at how spread out the votes are I'm just going to state now that I'm Sanae and hooman. Also that if there aren't any VT's this time that my mafia life is a joke at my expense.
Okay, Shadoweh, justify making this kind of halfclaim as a town!doc in a non-open setup. Also what does the last sentence even mean.
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Conqueror, what about the questions?
Also lol @ Shadoweh's claim, not buying it
Not sure if people want to keep the massclaim up? Roles are not my thing, and everyone is saying a different thing so. I'll claim if Conqueror tells me to.
PX, what are you saying about me trying to validate Raikaria's claim? I didn't like it from the beginning.
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1) not sure, but let's say the latter for now.
2) y probably
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Where do people get VT out of that? O_o Like, if I was claiming VT I wouldn't say that there aren't any VT's.
I guess I should be glad the scumteam didn't figure that one out >.> The truth is until Day 3 my role was a really, really minor miracle (I won end of day RNG in case of tie.) I don't know what happened but I got a message at daystart about my faith suddenly giving me a protective barrier.
Although Conq is trying to make me cry instead by saying he already had it taken care of anyways ._.
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It's clear that not everyone is going to be a PR so it doesn't make sense to say there are no VTs either, which is why it makes no sense in retrospect. V:
shadoweh are you claiming remilia
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wait, shadoweh is implying she was the scum nightkill. >_>
oh, okay.
Well, I think BT is likely recruitscum for general quality of posts dropping off after N2. Not sure who third original scum would be though.
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No wait, I read that wrong.
Who are you claiming to have protected?
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I am claiming to have protected you, numnuts.
With crappy roles like that everyone having something bad seemed possible. Until 1/4th of the game commutted and one of them was a cop...
I clearly stated things that time, I'm starting to think you just can't read my posts. >:C
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The problem is that if you protected me, you would have known you weren't responsible for the missing nightkill, seeing as you would have been roleblocked like SB was. :V
RIP
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I'm sorry Shadoweh, it's just that all of your posts scream I AM SCUM in bright flashing red letters and I can't turn it off. :(
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actually, mitsuki clarifying 2) y, but only as long as you can back it up if asked
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seriously though which one of those things you think I claimed would get me out of a lynch
Okay, let me think of another good one. I'm actually a Post Restricted Doctor and I can only post once every 24 hours, you've all been trying to get me modkilled!
...No? Oh come on, that would be a really good role!
Look, maybe it would help if I explained how I feel. How I.. really feel.
Every single night,
The same arrangement,
I go out and fight the fight.
Still, I always feel the strange estrangement,
Nothing here is real,
Nothing here is right!
I've been making shows of trading blows,
Just hoping no one knows,
That I've been going through the motions,
Walking through the part,
Nothing seems to penetrate my HEARRRRRRRRRRT
I was always brave and kind of righteous
Now I find I'm wavering!
Crawl out of your grave,
You find this fight just doesn't mean a thing,
"She ain't got that swing!"
Thanks for noticing..
"She does pretty well with fiends from hell,
But lately, we can tell!
That she's just going through the motions!"
"GOING THROUGH THE MOTIOOOOOOOOOOOONS!"
"Faking it some how!"
"She's not even half the girl she...ow!"
Will I stay this way forever?
Sleepwalk through my life's endeavor?
"How can I repay?"
Whatever.
I don't want to BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Going through the motions, Losing all my drive!
I can't even see!
If this is really me!
And I just want to BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
ALIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVE
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That's all I wanted from you, Shadoweh. :3
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I guess Shadoweh wasn't on the kill then, or she would've known.
So uh, massclaim continues y/n?
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I feel like the only people with stuff to claim are you, Mitsuki, and me. I don't think I personally want massclaim yet since we have another guaranteed scum on the table, so still no LYLO tomorrow.
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i HOPE YOU ALL LIKE MUSICALS BY THE WAY
I've got a theory
That it's a vampire!
A dancing vampire!
No, something isn't right there.
I've got a theory
Dormio's dreaming!
And we're all stuck inside his Play by Post nightmare!
I've got a theory
We should work this out!
It's getting eerie
What's this cheery singing all about?
It could be witches!
Some evil witches!
Which is ridiculous
'cause witches they were persecuted
and Patchy good and love the earth and woman power
and I'll be over here.
I've got a theory!
It could be mushrooms!
I've got a?
MUSHROOMS AREN'T JUST CUTE LIKE EVERYBODY SUPOSES
THEY'RE MADE OF MUSH AND FUNGUS GROWING ON YOUR NOSES
AND WHAT'S WITH ALL THE MILDEW
WHY THE FUCK DO PEOPLE EAT FUNGUS ANYWAYS?!
MUSHROOMS
MUSHROOMS IT MUST BE MUSHROOOOOOOOOOMS!
....or maybe carrots..
I've got a theory we should work this fast?
Because it clearly could get serious before it's passed.
I've got a theory
It doesn't matter!
What can't we lose if we're together?
Motk wins town games never!
NotV?
We've all been there!
The same old mistakes,
Why should we care?
What can't we do if we get in it?
We'll lose this game within a minute!
We have to try!
We'll pay the price!
Red or yellow cards!
Hey I've been banned twice!
What can't we lose if we're together?
Motk wins town games never!
There's no game Town can win!
Except for Serela games...
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Shadoweh pls tell us Dormio's role :V
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Read Raikaria's flip. Not even the scum knew his role.
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How can you write those things so fast???
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Town Kyuubei.
I've been having a bad bad day.
C'mon won't you put that vote away?
I'm asking you, please, NO!
It isn't right, it isn't fair!
There was no fakeclaim anywhere!
I think that votecount wasn't there!
Why can't you let it go?
I think I've posted more than my share!
I'm just a poor girl don't you care?
Hey, I'm not wearing underwear!
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I have super BBM level reading skills, okay? ;_;
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rawr slot is almost certainly town now. I refuse to believe we had 3 scum wagons yesterday, and Raikaria and BT piling onto NNR!town looks right. I'm already assuming BT is scum because he's literally on every scumteam I can think of, plus his posts.
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I also don't think cF7 scum would have the guts to say he thinks raikaria might be town yesterday and go for the wagon on his other buddy. shadoweh's early vote on cf7 also makes me lean toward cf7 town since shadoweh doesn't believe in early bussing.
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It's actually pretty easy to do these, easier when I'm not writing about making out with people!
Hi my name is Shadoweh Shad?ow Crazia Crow Way and I have long Shadoweh black hair (that?s how I got my name) with purple streaks and red tips that reaches my mid-back and icy blue eyes like limpid tears and a lot of people tell me I look like Amy Lee (if u don?t know who she is get da hell out of here!). I?m not related to Gerard Way but I wish I was because he?s a major fucking hottie. I?m a vampire but my teeth are straight and white. I have pale white skin. I?m also a witch, and I go to a magic school called Touhou in England where I?m in the seventh year (I?m seventeen). I?m a goth (in case you couldn?t tell) and I wear mostly black. I love Hot Topic and I buy all my clothes from there. For example today I was wearing a black corset with matching lace around it and a black leather miniskirt, pink fishnets and black combat boots. I was wearing black lipstick, white foundation, black eyeliner and red eye shadow. I was walking outside Touhou. It was snowing and raining so there was no sun, which I was very happy about. A lot of preps stared at me. I put up my middle finger at them.
?Hey Shadoweh!? shouted a voice. I looked up. It was?. Conqy-poo!
?What?s up Conqy-poo?? I asked.
?Nothing.? he said shyly.
But then, I heard my friends call me and I had to go away.
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOOXOXOXOX
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Well at least Shadoweh is having fun.
Also that last post looks disturbingly similar to My Immortal (as in fanfic That Should Not Be Named, But Still Must Be Read To Achieve Enlightment)
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Also that aside. We still have 2 scum players. I dunno. It's likely BT and maybe Sky? Also i just realized that my hammer vote was not needed, since there was a majority anyway.
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(It's fitting because the MC is a vampire)
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Oh do they?
The next day I woke up in my bedroom. It was snowing and raining again. I opened the door of my coffin and drank some blood from a bottle I had. My coffin was black Shadoweh and inside it was hot pink velvet with black lace on the ends. I got out of my coffin and took of my giant MCR t-shirt which I used for pajamas. Instead, I put on a black leather dress, a pentagram necklace, combat boots and black fishnets on. I put on four pairs of earrings in my pierced ears, and put my hair in a kind of messy bun.
My friend, Mitsuki (Mitsuki dis is u!) woke up then and grinned at me. She flipped her long waist-length raven black hair with pink streaks and opened her forest-green eyes. She put on her Marilyn Manson t-shirt with a black mini, fishnets and pointy high-heeled boots. We put on our makeup (black lipstick white foundation and black eyeliner.)
?OMFG, I saw you talking to Conqy-poo yesterday!? she said excitedly.
?Yeah? So?? I said, blushing.
?Do you like Conqy-poo?? she asked as we went out of the Scarlet common room and into the Great Hall.
?No I so fucking don?t!? I shouted.
?Yeah right!? she exclaimed. Just then, Conqy-poo walked up to me.
?Hi.? he said.
?Hi.? I replied flirtily.
?Guess what.? he said.
?What?? I asked.
?Well, Good Charlotte are having a concert in Town Village.? he told me.
?Oh. My. Fucking. God!? I screamed. I love GC. They are my favorite band, besides MCR.
?Well?. do you want to go with me?? he asked.
I gasped.
On the night of the concert I put on my black lace-up boots with high heels. Underneath them were ripped red fishnets. Then I put on a black leather minidress with all this corset stuff on the back and front. I put on matching fishnet on my arms. I straightened my hair and made it look all spiky. I felt a little depressed then, so I slit one of my wrists. I read a depressing book while I waited for it to stop bleeding and I listened to some GC. I painted my nails black and put on TONS of black eyeliner. Then I put on some black lipstick. I didn?t put on foundation because I was pale anyway. I drank some human blood so I was ready to go to the concert.
I went outside. Conqy-poo was waiting there in front of his flying car. He was wearing a Simple Plan t-shirt (they would play at the show too), baggy black skater pants, black nail polish and a little eyeliner (AN: A lot fo kewl boiz wer it ok!).
?Hi Conqy-poo!? I said in a depressed voice.
?Hi Shadoweh.? he said back. We walked into his flying black Mercedes-Benz (the license plate said 666) and flew to the place with the concert. On the way we listened excitedly to Good Charlotte and Marilyn Manson. We both smoked cigarettes and drugs. When we got there, we both hopped out of the car. We went to the mosh pit at the front of the stage and jumped up and down as we listened to Good Charlotte.
?You come in cold, you're covered in blood
They're all so happy you've arrived
The doctor cuts your cord, hands you to your mom
She sets you free into this life.? sang Joel (I don?t own da lyrics 2 dat song).
?Joel is so fucking hot.? I said to Conqy-poo, pointing to him as he sung, filling the club with his amazing voice.
Suddenly Conqy-poo looked sad.
?What?s wrong?? I asked as we moshed to the music. Then I caught on.
?Hey, it?s ok I don?t like him better than YOU!? I said.
?Really?? asked Conqy-poo sensitively and he put his arm around me all protective.
?Really.? I said. ?Besides I don?t even know Joel and he?s going out with Hilary fucking Duff. I fucking hate that little bitch.? I said disgustedly, thinking of her ugly blonde face.
The night went on really well, and I had a great time. So did Conqy-poo. After the concert, we drank some beer and asked Benji and Joel for their autographs and photos with them. We got GC concert tees. Conqy-poo and I crawled back into the Mercedes-Benz, but Conqy-poo didn?t go back into Touhou, instead he drove the car into????????? the Forbidden Forest!
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Shadoweh why
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This is beautiful.
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I had to skip the chapter where Conqy-poo apparently puts his you know what in the fun place.
I sed stup flaming ok Shadoweh?s name is SAHDOWEH nut mary su OK! Conqy-poo IS SOO IN LUV wif her dat he is acting defrent! dey nu eechodder b4 ok!
The next day I woke up in my coffin. I put on a black miniskirt that was all ripped around the end and a matching top with red skulls all over it and high heeled boots that were black. I put on two pairs of skull earrings, and two crosses in my ears. I spray-painted my hair with purple.
In the Great Hall, I ate some Count Chocula cereal with blood instead of milk, and a glass of red blood. Suddenly someone bumped into me. All the blood spilled over my top.
?Bastard!? I shouted angrily. I regretted saying it when I looked up cause I was looking into the pale white face of a gothic boy with spiky black hair with red streaks in it. He was wearing so much eyeliner that I was going down his face and he was wearing black lipstick. He didn?t have glasses anymore and now he was wearing red contact lenses just like Conqy-poo?s and there was no scar on his forhead anymore. He had a manly stubble on his chin. He had a sexy English accent. He looked exactly like A Pokemon. He was so sexy that my body went all hot when I saw him kind of like an erection only I?m a girl so I didn?t get one you sicko.
?I?m so sorry.? he said in a shy voice.
?That?s all right. What?s your name?? I questioned.
?My name?s BEETEE Potter, although most people call me Dragonair these days.? he grumbled.
?Why?? I exclaimed.
?Because I love the taste of human blood.? he giggled.
?Well, I am a vampire.? I confessed.
?Really?? he whimpered.
?Yeah.? I roared.
We sat down to talk for a while. Then Conqy-poo came up behind me and told me he had a surprise for me so I went away with him. (it was a lynch :<)
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I'm not scum, just doing other things. Shadoweh giving up taken into account, the final scum is probably Sky with the recruit being
SB/Mitsuki. Even though we have another lynch to burn through I feel like there's room for screwups and you know how I feel about unnecessary BT lynches. Wait I forgot Mitsuki can't have been recruited. Then we mostly have to worry about the final scum since there are enough lynches to endgame the recruit.
Another option is that Sky's the recruit but that'll be obvious when a flip happens hopefully, and then the final scum would probably be CF7 or rawr or superbusser PX, but I'm pretty sure Raikaria's interactions with PX rule that out. They remind me of Raikara / LLD interactions in Rhythm Heaven. If I'm winging it I prefer the first scenario (scum Sky and recruit SB?) since I feel like CF7 isn't scum.
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hey bb how u doin
Client: Why did you cancel my invoice?
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Client: You didn?t give me 48 hours last time!
Me: No, we gave you two weeks, or 672 hours.
Client: My mistake, I thought it said days. Anyway, why did you cancel this invoice? I didn?t get an invoice from you, and it?s wrong anyway!
Me: You didn?t get an invoice?
Client: No.
Me: But it?s wrong?
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Me: No, it?s been cancelled. You can reorder and can pay now, if you like. We have your order on file.
Client: I don?t get why you cancelled it! You said you allow 48 hours for payment! I didn?t get an invoice!
Me: We do, yes. It had been three days.
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This is excellent. Like top shelf stuff. Would lynch again.
Serious post etc coming tomorrow morning.
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Oh god why
Wtf is even this moonstone?
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Because I'm a youkai, couldn't act N2 so I assumed I counted as human. It's not claiming youkai, it's claiming not to count as human.
I honestly just want to make sense of this. Can you at least claim character and race Mitsuki?
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Species* w/e
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Youkai (yes, my PM specifies this), Hong Meiling.
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Youkai (yes, my PM specifies this), Hong Meiling.
See, the thing is that I have absolutely no reason to believe this >_>
Although we can revisit this depending on what Shadoweh flips (plz be not remilia so we can have 2 cleared people)
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##Vote Shadoweh.
Because, you know.
Also i bought WO3U and since it can be concidered my guilty pleasure, i am kinda not motivated to do anything else.
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BT, do you have an actual case on Sky and I being the scumteam or not? Why would I try and force a lynch on Shadoweh D1 if I was her buddy?
@PX: Like I said before, she probably IS the recruiter, so. Also, by that logic, we have no reason to trust your vanilla claim. Do you have any reason to specifically mistrust Mitsuki?
I'm in /effort mode for this game atm so actual content will come tomorrow.
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Mitsuki I'd lynch if shadoweh wasn't already being the best Scum ever. Actiondan was the most random nightkill unless Scum knew he was the cop. Mitsuki claimed to have known about the role so there's that. The youkai claim the goes with raikarias claim is also strange in its a own way. Scum don't have much of a fake claim and raikaria has no idea how to fake claim and since they have no day talk it's probably some awkward attempt to help raikaria.
I'm 10% sure I voted shadoweh so I haven't then assume I'm there because phone posting sucks and no buttons for editing.
Conq seemed like a obvious night kill seeing as he begged for the moonstone so no reason to doubt the claim that much.
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Mitsuki I'd lynch if shadoweh wasn't already being the best Scum ever. Actiondan was the most random nightkill unless Scum knew he was the cop. Mitsuki claimed to have known about the role so there's that. The youkai claim the goes with raikarias claim is also strange in its a own way. Scum don't have much of a fake claim and raikaria has no idea how to fake claim and since they have no day talk it's probably some awkward attempt to help raikaria.
Why would I claim having known Dan's role in I could just remain silent about it?
Also what attempt on helping Raikaria? I said he scumslipped... Also I only claimed youkai after he died, because people asked me about it.
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I still feel really left out, wtf is this moonstone?
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As far as I can tell it's a courier item that makes the holder recruitment immune?
But pls respond to my question.
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Honestly, it's the youkai claim. It just doesn't seem like it fits.
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The moonstone is an item with ??? effects (bastard mod) that lets you pass it to another player in twilight with a message.
SB: I'm winging it so no cases, just where I'll look at first when I actually get to making cases.
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And her initial reaction of "He just scumslipped by claiming Youkai" when she herself is apparently one is just :\
Okay, maybe the scumslip wasn't response to him claiming youkai, this game is confusing :|
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HI EVERYONE I FELL ASLEEP BUT IM BACK I KNOW YOU MISSED ME!
wel ok u guyz im only writting dis cuz I got 5 god reviuws. n BTW I wont rite da nxt chapter til I git TIN god vons! STO FLAMING OR ILL REPORT U! Sadowmeh isn?t a Marie Sue ok she isn?t perfect SHES A VMAPIRES! n she has problemz shes depressed 4 godz sake!
Conqy-poo and I held our pale white hands with black nail polish as we went upstairs. I was wearing red Vampire sings on my nails in red nail polish ( c doez dat sound lik a Maru Sue 2 u?). I waved to BEETEE. Dark misery was in his depressed eyes. I guess he was jealous of me that I was going out with Conqy-poo. Anyway, I went upstairs excitedly with Conqy-poo. We went into his room and locked the door. Then????
We started verbing passively and we took off each others clothes enthusiastically. He verbed me up before I took of my top. Then I took off my black leather bra and he took off his pants. We went on the bed and started verbing out no no no no no NO! (c is dat stupid?)
?Oh Conqy-poo, Conqy-poo!? I screamed while verbing an extremely well congugated noun when all of a sudden I saw a tattoo I had never seen before on Conqy-poo?s arm. It was a black heart with an arrow through it. On it in bloody gothic writing were the words???? BEETEE!
I was so angry.
?You bastard!? I shouted angrily, jumping out of the bed.
?No! No! But you don?t understand!? Conqy-poo pleaded. But I knew too much.
?No, you fucking idiot!? I shouted. ?You probably have AIDs anyway!?
I put on my clothes all huffily and then stomped out. Conqy-poo ran out even though he was naked. He had a really big dictionary but I was too mad to care. I stomped out and did so until I was in BEETEE?s classroom where he was having a lesson with Professor Serious Bananas and some other people.
?BEETEE POTTER, YOU MOTHERFUCKER!? I yelled.
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Hi Shadoweh, at least you're posting. Are you town?
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Mitsuki
Why would I claim having known Dan's role in I could just remain silent about it?
At the time I thought this was basically a smoking gun, but after re-reading some of the interactions I'm hmm.
Scum never kill ActionDan because why waste a perfectly good mislynch? But they certainly could use up a rolecop to see what he is sitting on, and that's consistent with him being killed off pretty early.
I'm not really happy with CF7 voting for Shadoweh yesterday even with today's hilarious situation because it didn't prove anything that Conqueror had not already established, and then when he finally hammered Raikaria, it came after time had elapsed by quite-some-time.
I'll go through the whole thread again in a few hours.
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I'm Townie Obvtown! ^_^/
Everyone in the class stared at me and then Conqy-poo came into the room even though he was naked and started begging me to take him back.
?Shadoweh, it?s not what you think!? Conqy-poo screamed sadly.
My friend Dorian Mary Smith smiled at me understatedly. She flipped her long waste-length gothic black hair and opened her crimson eyes like blood that she was wearing contact lenses on. She had pale white skin that she was wearing white makeup on. Dorian was kidnapped when she was born. Her real parents are vampires and one of them is a witch but Just killed her mother and her father committed suicide because he was depressed about it. She still has nightmares about it and she is very haunted and depressed. It also turns out her real last name is Smith and not White. (Since she has converted to Satanism she is in Scarlet now not Human Village. )
?What is it that you desire, you ridiculous dimwit!? Serious Bananas demeaned angrily in his cold voice but I ignored him.
?BEETEE, I can?t believe you cheated on me with Conqy-poo!? I shouted at him.
Everyone gasped.
"I don?t know why Shadoweh was so mad at me. I had went out with BEETEE (I?m bi and so is Shadoweh) for a while but then he broke my heart. He dumped me because he liked Action DAN, a stupid preppy fucker. We were just good friends now. He had gone through horrible problems, and now he was gothic." (Haha, like I would hang out with a prep.)
?But I?m not going out with Conqy-poo anymore!? said BEETEE.
?Yeah fucking right! Fuck off, you bastard!? I screamed. I ran out of the room and into the Forbidden Forest where I had lost my virility to Conqy-poo and then I started to bust into tears.
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As enjoyable as shadowehs posts are we aren't going to let her dude her way out of a lynch.
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Dude!
Dude
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDRE
stop flaming ok! I dntn red all da boox! dis is frum da movie ok so itz nut my folt if Pxenex swers! besuizds I SED HE HAD A HEDACHE! and da reson SEB dosent lik BEETEE now is coz hes christian and BEETEE is a Vampire! MCR ROX!
I was so mad and sad. I couldn?t believe Conqy-poo for cheating on me. I began to cry against the tree where I congugated it with Conqy-poo.
Then all of a suddenly, an horrible man with red eyes and no nose and everything started flying towards me on a broomstick! He didn?t have a nose (basically like Just in the movie) and he was wearing all black but it was obvious he wasn?t gothic. It was?? Just!
?No!? I shouted in a scared voice but then Just shouted ?Imperius!? and I couldn?t run away.
?Crookshanks!? I shouted at him. Just fell of his broom and started to scream. I felt bad for him even though I?m a sadist so I stopped.
?Shadoweh.? he yelled. ?Thou must kill BEETEE Potter!?
I thought about BEETEE and his sexah eyes and his gothic black hair and how his face looks just like A Pokemon. I remembered that Conqy-poo had said I didn?t understand, so I thought, what if Conqy-poo went out with BEETEE before I went out with him and they broke up?
?No, Just!? I shouted back.
Just gave me a gun. ?No! Please!? I begged.
?Thou must!? he yelled. ?If thou does not, then I shall kill thy beloved Conqy-poo!?
?How did you know?? I asked in a surprised way.
Just got a dude-ur-so-retarded look on his face. ?I hath telekinesis.? he answered cruelly. ?And if you doth not kill BEETEE, then thou know what will happen to Conqy-poo!? he shouted. Then he flew away angrily on his broomstick.
I was so scared and mad I didn?t know what to do. Suddenly Conqy-poo came into the woods.
?Conqy-poo!? I said. ?Hi!?
?Hi.? he said back but his face was all sad. He was wearing white foundation and messy eyeliner kind of like a pentagram (geddit) between A pokemon and Yuno.
?Are you okay?? I asked.
?No.? he answered.
?I?m sorry I got all mad at you but I thought you cheated on me.? I expelled.
?That?s okay.? he said all depressed and we went back into Touhou together verbing out.
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Actually I just realised it could be a smoking gun, but not for Mitsuki.
Rawr: Of course not. Just make sure not to put her at L-1 or she'll self hammer and end this glorious revelation of Shadoweh's teenage years.
BT - did you ever find out who gave you the moonstone?
Conq - About the moonstone, I assume it's some kind of quicktopic thing. Maybe it's a new one each night, I don't know. I assume you can only read/write in there while you're holding it - except that Mitsuki wrote something like 'ActionDan claimed to me through the moonstone', so I'm assuming it's some kind of two way thing. I'm wondering if it's possible that it's been scum compromised - or perhaps was from the very beginning.
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stup it u gay fags if u donot lik ma story den fukk off! ps it turnz out Dorian mary isn?t a muggle afert al n she n vampire r evil datz y dey movd houses ok!
I was really scared about Jsut all day. I was even upset went to rehearsals with my gothic metal band Bloody Gothic Rose 666. I am the lead singer of it and I play guitar. People say that we sound like a cross between GC, Slipknot and MCR. The other people in the band are Dorian Mary, BEETEE, Conqy-poo, Sky Paladin (although we call him Sky P now. He has black hair now with blue streaks in it.) and Zakky-chan. Only today Conqy-poo and Vampire were depressed so they weren?t coming and we wrote songs instead. I knew Conqy-poo was probably slitting his wrists (he wouldn?t die because he was a vampire too and the only way you can kill a vampire is with a c-r-o-s-s (there?s no way I?m writing that) or a steak) and BEETEE was probably watching a depressing movie like The Corpse Bride. I put on a black leather shirt that showed off my verbs and tiny matching miniskirt that said Simple Plan on the butt. You might think I?m a slut but I?m really not.
We were singing a cover of ?Helena? and at the end of the song I suddenly bust into tears.
?Shadoweh! Are you OK?? Dorian Mary asked in a concerted voice.
?What the fuck do you think?? I asked angrily. And then I said. ?Well, Just came and the fucking bastard told me to fucking kill BEETEE! But I don?t want to kill him, because, he?s really nice, even if he did go out with Conqy-poo. But if I don?t kill BEETEE, then Just, will fucking kill Conqy-poo!? I burst into tears.
Suddenly Conqy-poo jumped out from behind a wall.
?Why didn?t you fucking tell me!? he shouted. ?How could you- you- you fucking poser muggle bitch!? (c is dat out of character?)
I started to cry and cry. Conqy-poo started to cry too all sensitive. Then he ran out crying.
We practiced for one more hour. Then suddenly Peeeex walked in angrily! His eyes were all fiery and I knew this time it wasn?t cause he had a headache.
?What have you done!? He started to cry wisely. (c dats basically nut swering and dis time he wuz relly upset n u wil c y) ?Shadoweh Conqy-poo has been found in his room. He committed suicide by slitting his wrists.?
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I don't know who started out with the moonstone, and they didn't claim, which is the most suspicious part. So it's possible that it could have been compromised that way.
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It's not a quicktopic; you just get to send a 100-word message along with it.
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MOOOON SHADOW MOON SHADOW
i sed stup flaming up prepz! c if dis chaptr is srupid!1111 it delz wit rly sris issus! sp c 4 urself if itz ztupid brw fangz 2 ma frend Mitsuki 4 hleping me!
?NO!? I screamed. I was horrorfied! Dorian Mary tried to comfort me but I told her fuck off and I ran to my room crying myself. Peeexx chased after me shouting but he had to stop when I went into my room cause he would look like a perv that way.
Anyway, I started crying tears of blood and then I slit both of my wrists. They got all over my clothes so I took them off and jumped into the bath angrily while I put on a Linkin Park song at full volume. I grabbed a steak and almost stuck it into my heart to commit suicide. I was so fucking depressed! I got out of the bathtub and put on a black low-cut dress with lace all over it sandly. I put on black high heels with pink metal stuff on the ends and six pairs of skull earrings. I couldn?t fucking believe it. Then I looked out the window and screamed? SBS was spying on me and he was taking a video tape of me! And BBM was verbing to it! They were sitting on their broomsticks.
?EW, YOU FUCKING PERVS, STOP LOOKING AT ME NAKED! ARE YOU PEDOS OR WHAT!? I screamed putting on a black towel with a picture of Marilyn Mason on it. Suddenly BEETEE ran in.
?Abra Kedavra!? he yelled at Serious Bananas and BBM pointing his womb.
I took my gun and shot Serious Bananas and BBM a gazillion times and they both started screaming and the camera broke. Suddenly, Pxpxpxpxpx ran in. ?Shadoweh, it has been revealed that someone has - NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!? he shouted looking at Serious Bananas and BBM and then he waved his wand and suddenly?
Zakky-chan ran outside on his broom and said everyone we need to talk.
?What do you know, Zakky-chan? You?re just a little Touhou student!?
?I MAY BE A Touhou STUDENT?.? Zacxky-chins paused angrily. ?BUT I AM ALSO A Vampire!?
?This cannot be.? SBS said in a crisp voice as blood dripped from his hand where Pxpxpxpxpx?s wand had shot him. ?There must be other factors.?
?YOU DON?T HAVE ANY!? I yelled in madly.
BBM held up the camera triumelephantly. ?The lens may be ruined but the tape is still there!?
I felt faint, more than I normally do like how it feels when you do not drink enough blood.
?Why are you doing this?? BBM said angrily while he rubbed his dirty hands on his clook.
And then I heard the words that I had heard before but not from him. I did not know whether to feel shocked and happy or to bite him and drink his blood because I felt faint.
?BECAUSE?BECAUSE?.? Zaxky-chns said and he paused in the air dramitaclly, waving his wand in the air. Then swooped he in singing to the tune of a gothic version of a song by 50 Cent.
?Because you?re goffic?? SBS asked in a little afraid voice cause he was afraind it meant he was connected with Satan.
?Because I LOVE HER!?
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Is the moonstone originally part of some role or is just a gimmick in this game?
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You know, I've actually had to read these as I'm changing names, I think I'm giving myself brain damage :<
stop f,aing ok Zakky-chan is a pedo 2 a lot of ppl in amerikan skoolz r lik dat I wunted 2 adres da ishu! how du u no SBS iant kristian plus Zakky-chan isn?t really in luv wif Shadoweh dat was sewdcir ok!
I was about to slit my wrists again with the silver knife that Cnogqy-puu had given me in case anything happened to him. He had told me to use it valiantly against an enemy but I knew that we must both go together.
?NO!? I THOUGHT IT WAS ZACKy-chan but it was BEETEE. He started to scream. ?OMFG! NOOOOO! MY SCAR HURTS!? and then?.. his eyes rolled up! You could only see his red whites.
I stopped. ?How did u know??
?I saw it! And my scar turned back into the lightning bolt!?
?NO!? I ran up closer. ?I thought you didn?t have a scar anymore!? I shouted.
?I do but Sky P changed it into a pentagram for me and I always cover it up with foundation.? he said back. ?Anyway my scar hurt and it turned back into the lightning bolt! Save me! then I had a vision of what was happening to Conqy-poo?????.Jbust has him bondage!?
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It's not a quicktopic; you just get to send a 100-word message along with it.
When is it passed? Also, I know it's a parody and stuff Shadoweh but no derogatory language and the like this
stup it u gay fags if u donot lik ma story den fukk off! ps it turnz out Dorian mary isn?t a muggle afert al n she n vampire r evil datz y dey movd houses ok!
Also, you can always use the replace option instead of actually reading
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What is wrong with you people?
Shadoweh: PX, CF7 (2)
Not voting; everyone else
You have 2 days remaining (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141017T0119&p0=80&msg=End+of+D5).
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
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I AM using the replace option. The names aren't spelled right half the time >:C
Now replacing gay and fag with Happy and Cigar!
Anyway I was in the school nurse?s office now recovering from my slit wrists. SBS and BBM and ZACCY were there too. They were going to St. Mango?s after they recovered cause they were lovefiles and you can?t have those gnetly caressing GBS threadss teaching in a school with lots of hot gurlz. Peeexx had constipated the cideo camera they took of me naked. I put up my middle finger at them.
Anyway Zakky-chan came into my hospital bed holding a bouquet of pink roses.
?SAHDOWEH I need to tell u somethnig.? he said in a v. serious voice, giving me the roses.
?gnetly caress off.? I told him. ?You know I gnetly caressing hate the color pink anyway, and I don?t like gnetly caressed up preps like you.? I SBSped. Zakky-chan had been mean to me before for being gottik.
?No SAHDOWEH.? Zakky-chan says. ?Those are not roses.?
?What, are they goffs too you poser prep?? I asked cause I was angry that he had brought me pink roses.
?I saved your life!? He yelled angrily. ?No you didn?t I replied.? ?You saved me from getting a Paris Hilton p- video made from your shower scene and being vued by SBS and BBM.? Who VERBED (c is dat speld Sky Palading) to it he added silently.
?Whatever!? I yelled angirly.
He pointed his wand at the pink roses. ?These aren?t roses.? He suddenly looked at them with an evil look in his eye and muttered Well If you wanted Honesty that?s all you haD TO SAY! .
?That?s not a spell that?s an MCR song.? I corrected him wisely.
?I know, I was just warming up my vocal cordes.? Then he screamed. ?Petulus merengo mi kremicli romacio(4 all u cool goffic mcr fans out, there, that is a tribute! specially for Mitsuki I love you girl!)imo noto okayo!?
And then the roses turned into a huge black flame floating in the middle of the air. And it was black. Now I knew he wasn?t a prep.
?OK I believe you now wtf is Clongy-tuu??
Zlacky-chan rolled his eyes. I looked into the balls of flame but I could c nothing.
?U c, Shaddowehh,? Pxpxpxpxpx said, watching the two of us watching the flame. ?2 c wht iz n da flmes(HAHA U REVIEWRS FLAMES GEDDIT) u mst find urslf 1st, k??
?I HAVE FOUND MYSELF OK YOU MEAN OLD MAN!? Zakky-chan yelled. Pxpxpxpxpx lookd shockd. I guess he didn?t have a headache or else he would have said something back.
Zlacky-chum stormed off back into his bed. ?U r a liar, prof Peeexxe!?
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You know what, Shadoweh has been showing more effort than other people. You're okay, you're okay.
Unvote
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Fun fact: I do have a scar, on the bridge of my nose (stitches - I have to lower my eyebrows so it's visible). Shadoweh's a spy for serious.
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The truth is that the calls are coming from INSIDE THE HOUSE
(My cellphone provider used to call me several times a day to offer their ?awesome? services. I got fed up and told them to stop. It took a while and I had to involve the regulatory agency.)
(Phone rings.)
Me: ?Hello??
Telemarketer: ?Hi! It?s [Telemarketer] from [Provider]??
Me: ?I asked to be let out of your call list.?
Telemarketer: ?Yes! We are calling to ask you to get back to our offer service!?
Me: ????
Telemarketer: ?You?ll never miss an amazing offer ever again!?
Me: ??am I supposed to be laughing??
(I?m still trying to get them to stop.)
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Shadoweh, you look like the towniest person in here with all your town effort. Plz tell me who to vote, and I will sheep
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You should definitely vote for Serela. He's a p untrustworthy fellow and i heard he can't even talk to people without being mistaken for a cat!
(I am at my dentist of 10 years having a crown put in. Since the dentist is quite far from home my sister drives me and sits in the waiting room whilst I?m having my crown put in. This conversation happens with the dentist?s assistant.)
Assistant: ?So, is that your girlfriend outside waiting for you??
Me: ?No, that?s my sister??
Assistant: ?Oh? you look good together. You should date!?
(Neither of us could make eye contact with the assistant after that.)
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I was supposed to have hours free but my day got used up so I'll have to do it tomorrow when I presumably have a free day.
##vote Shadoweh
I love these stories as much as everyone but I feel like if we don't put some votes there she might stop talking :C :C :C
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##Vote Serela
Srs vote I think he's scum
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Well, these stories are hard, but I found something really special just for YOU!
Have you ever wondered who your sanic is, Sky P? Because I found it for you!
(http://i.imgur.com/o9Ls2WP.png?1)
Sky the Hedgehog!
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Is that you Nick? Please Phoenix, save Shadoweh in court!
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(My wife and I get our nine-year-old daughter a cell phone. Unfortunately, her number was formerly used by a Jes?s [pronounced hey-soos] Gonzales. We keep getting calls from creditors for months, finally convincing them that the number is no longer his. Then one evening, her phone gets a ?blocked number? call. I take it, preparing to explain the situation. However, the caller is an autocaller, which uses a text reader and menu to communicate. It is also pronouncing Jes?s?s name ?gee-zus,? like from church.)
Autocaller: ?Hello. I am trying to contact ? Jesus Gonzales.If you are? Jesus? press one; otherwise, press two.?
Me: *presses two, while starting to giggle a little*
Autocaller: ?I see that you are not? Jesus. Do you know? Jesus? Is so, press one; if not, press two.?
Me: *presses 2, laughing now*
Autocaller: ?Do you know how we can find? Jesus? If yes, press one; if no, press two.?
Me: *presses 2; laughing loudly*
Autocaller: ?Thank you.? *hangs up*
Wife: ?Who were they looking for??
Me: ?They were looking for Jesus!?
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All of this talk and also the 80th thread about feminism on mofiascum reminds me of a story that actually happened.
So I'd been having a problem for a few days where I was given a key to my apartment's deadbolt downstairs, but not the door handle, because they didn't have keys for it and people were just told to only lock the deadbolt. A new tenant had decided locking the door handle every night was a great idea and three nights in a row I had to knock to wake someone up and let me and UK in who was with me at the time.
One night (the last night this happened since i kicked up a fit about it) there was really no one awake, so at 2am about I suggest we just head over to a Tim Hortons and wait for the guy I know works at 4am to wake up. So we head onto the main road to downtown to take the fifteen minute walk to the Timmies. Across the street a bit of a distance in front of a convenience store there's two guys standing outside, and one of them hollers, "WOW YOU WOMEN ARE SMOKING HOT, BUT ESPECIALLY THE ONE IN FRONT!" and dudebro starts to walk in a diagonal line towards us. Unsurprisingly we keep walking faster, and he yells behind us "OH CMON, DON'T MAKE THIS WEIRD!"
I'm afraid it was a little too late for that, dudebro..
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Vote Shadoweh
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What, I didn't make that one up!
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##Vote: Shadoweh
wow what story 10/10 makes me cry everytime
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I didn't know Tim Horton's had 24-hour service.
If no one has anything to say I'll probably just prod-dodge until I can think of what I want to do with the moonstone this twilight.
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When is it passed?
BT posted the answer to that question just above you!
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Alright, can we track down the progress of the moonstone from D1?
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Unknown person --> BT --> Dan --> Mitsuki.
It's like no one reads my posts.
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Well if BT were Scum I can't imagine Scum passing it to each other if it originated from Scum. Anyways I guess my post flew past everyone but is the moonstone part of someone's role is it a gimmick to this game?
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I'm 99% sure BT was town originally; I think his play matches recruit behavior. I'll probably claim why I know this tomorrow.
Both? Someone had to give it to BT so I'm assuming it's part of someone's role, but it's tied into my role and has a bunch of other effects.
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Ok then
So conq I don't really feel like looking back but you did claim bulletproof right? If you did, you realize how frownie face I am right now.
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But ugh the lack of night kill and shadoweh saying she docced you and you have role block pretty much makes you confirmed town since scum has to night kill
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I woke up with a splitting headache this morning and spent the whole day lying in bed, because painkillers refused to work. Well looks like i haven't missed much.
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I claimed bp for WIFOM reasons since I also have other parts of my role I could be using tonight. Also to preempt Shadoweh's doc fishing.
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Thinking about it now I'm more and more convinced that what whoever said about scum listening in on the moonstone is actually true given Dan's coincidental nightkill plus the events of last night.
It might be worth it to sort out claims today and get a night action lockdown plan going for tonight. Not sure yet, since scum are probably going to have at least a one-shot roleblocker. will think about it.
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This is essentially a prod dodge bc I haven't felt too great today so I haven't reread too closely.
I'm assuming scum is:
Raikaria: Janvig+Strongman
Shadoweh: Recruiter+Godfather or Stone?
???: Info Role or something? Don't think it's a Joat this time.
Who's even unclaimed at this point? I'm fairly sure we have 2 claims+3 implied, so depending on how many we have outed I would go for massclaim today? It also depends if we literally have the time to do it or not.
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Also random theory: scum gives BT the stone to ensure that they can get the recruit off on him rather than taking a chance on where it goes?
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I'm the last Scum!
Shadoweh: PX, CF7, SkyPal, DrRawr (4) L-1, and such.
Not voting; everyone else
You have 1 day remaining (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141017T0119&p0=80&msg=End+of+D5).
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
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I figured that since nobody ever stepped forward to tell BT who gave him the stone, the stone probably originated from scum. There's no reason they'd give out something beneficial to us for no reason, so I assume they can spy on it.
Either that or BT was scum all along, because (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1132850.html#msg1132850):
Anyway, I think I will divulge more info after thinking about it. Someone passed me an item during twilight and I have no idea what it does or if it does anything because of bastard elements. It allows the holder to pass it along with a 100 word message, so the first person told me it's supposed to be good to town and bad to scum, but that's impossible to confirm and even if first person is town it's possible the mod lied, because overnight I got a "vision" that made it out to be a dangerous little thing. I plan to use it as a communication device because I can't confirm any of its other uses if they even exist. Hopefully it's not a hot potato bomb because I'd want to keep it in the possession of town and all.
This description does not match with what anybody else has said and after reading it fills me with alarm and terror.
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##unvote
You should all know not to leave scum at L-1, sheesh.
I'll revote closer to deadline.
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Ok so far sky paladin is town because he made a durptacular post that I'll link later tonight if you guys want. I'm impressed he's still in the game for it.
Conq is pretty much town because of all the dirty stuff that happened last night.
Px is amazingly town and anyone who says otherwise should get beaten with a whip.
I'm town because I'm so cool and tomomi itano is a babe.
Everyone else is scum I'll finish this post later
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I didn't know Tim Horton's had 24-hour service.
What it didn't have was fucking donuts, they threw them out right in front of us while telling us they were waste and couldn't be sold.
Anyway when I got better I went upstairs and put on a BLAWUCK leather minidress that was all ripped on the ends with lace on it. There was some corset stuff on the fSky Paladint. Then I put on BLAWUCK fishnets and BLAWUCK high-heeled boots with pictures of Billie Joe ArmstSky Palading on them. I put my hair all out around me so I looked like Samara from the Ring (if u don?t know who she iz ur a prep so fuk off!) and I put on blood-red lipstick, BLAWUCK eyeliner and BLAWUCK lip gloss.
?You look kawai, girl.? Dorian Mary said sadly. ?Fangs (geddit) you do too.? I said sadly too, but I was still upset. I slit both of my wrists feeling totally depressed and I sucked all the blood. I cried again in my bathroom and put the shades on so SBS and BBM couldn?t spy on me this time. I went to some classes. BEETEE was in the Hair of Magical Magic Creatures. He looked all depressed because Conqy-poo had disappeared and he had used to be in love with Conqy-poo. He was sucking some blood from a cELESTIAL..
?Hi.? he said in a depressed way. ?Hi back.? I said in an wqually said way.
We both looked at each other for some time. BEETEE had beautiful red gothic eyes so much like Conqy-poos. Then??? we jumped on each other and started verbing each other.
?STOP IT NOW YOU HORNY SIMPLETONS!? shouted Professor huh what who was watching us and so was everyone else.
?BEETEE you gnetly caresser!? I said slapping him. ?Stop trying to verb me. You know I loved Conqy-poo!? I shouted and then I ran away angrily.
Just then he started to scream. ?OMFG! NOOOOO! MY SCAR HURTS!? and then?.. his eyes rolled up! You could only see his red whites.
?NO!? I ran up closer.
?I thought you didn?t have a scar anymore!? I shouted.
?I do but Sky P changed it into a pentagram for me and I always cover it up with foundation.? he said back. ?Anyway my scar hurt and then I had a vision of what was happening to Conqy-poo?????.Jbust has him bondage!?
(no i have no idea why this section repeats)
SPECIAL FANGZ 2 MITSUKI MY GOFFIX BLOOD SISTA WTF UR SUPPOZD 2 RIT DIS!11111111
HEY MITSUKI DO U KNOW WHERE MY SWEATER I
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Okay.
Mitsuki, switch the answer to 1) to a). I want to test something out and this is probably the best way to do it.
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And Mitsuki, when you see that just reply to make sure you've got it.
rawr, which post of sky's are you talking about?
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Rawr modconfirmed town because of the screw up with the win condition, he apparently didn't receive the errata that the rest of the town got.
this one
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i can only assume you didnt get one because not all of town had the same win condition written for fabulous reasons
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mitsuki fangz 4 gelpin me agen im sory ah tok ur postr of gerard but dat guy is such a fokin sexbom! PREPZ STOP FLAMIGNG!
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BEETEE and I ran up the stairs looking for Peeexx. We were so scared.
?Peeexx Pxpxpxpxpx!? we both yelled. Peeexx came there.
?What is it that you want now you despicable snobs?? he asked angrily.
?JSUSSUT has Conqy-poo!? we shouted at the same time.
He laughed in an evil voice.
?No! Don?t! We need to save Conqy-poo!? we begged.
?No.? he said meanly. ?I don?t give a darn what Just does to Conqy-poo. Not after how much he misbehaved in school especially with YOU Shadoweh.? he said while he frowned looking at me. ?Besides I never liked him that much anyway.? then he walked away. BEETEE started crying. ?My Conqy-poo!? he moaned. ( don?t u fik Happy guyz r lik so hot!)
?Its okay!? I tried to tell him but that didn?t stop him. He started to cry tears of blood. Then he had a brainstorm. ?I had an idea!? he exclaimed.
?What?? I asked him.
?You?ll see.? he said. He took out his wand and did a spell. Then?? suddenly we were in Jumbst?s lair!
We ran in with our wands out just as we heard a croon voice say. ?Allah Kedavra!?
It was????????????.. Just!
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What was 1 a
(just kidding)
Also I wanted to see if I'd be prodded so I posted nothing in spite of being able to, and I wasn't! Amazing.
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Maybe Affinity just can't tell if anyone's posting anymore. :D
Since Graff, Malebranche of the Burning Abyss can Special Summon Scarm, the deck now has ten cards that effectively get you to Djinn Releaser of Rituals. And since you can Normal Summon Scarm, Special Summon Graff and overlay for Dante on your first turn, you get to Tour Guide even more consistently ? you have a 36.2% chance of seeing Tour Guide in your first five cards, and an additional 11.5% chance of hitting a Graff + Scarm combo to get a Tour Guide that way. Add the boosted draw power of Pot of Duality plus your draw on Turn 2 and you?ve got more than a fifty percent chance of hitting a Turn 2 Tour Guide. Combined with the 36.2% chance of a first turn Manju of the Ten Thousand Hands, the deck sees consistent action in the opening and early game.
Graff also added more Special Summoning to the early game when you?re unlikely to control a set card. That meant Tribute bait, which let me add back a single Caius the Shadow Monarch. Graff made Dante better as well, giving you a different option for retrieval and more ways to make Dante in the first place.
And speaking of making things, Graff and Scarm give you alternative plays for Saffira, Queen of Dragons, too. While your chief aim is to Summon Saffira with Djinn Releaser of Rituals, the Releaser only makes up one half of the Tribute for your Ritual Summon. If your other Tribute is a Malebranche, it?s effectively free because it?ll search you a card in its place. And if you happen to choose the ?draw two, discard one? ability you can even pitch a Malebranche monster and get another search. You don?t need me to tell you Burning Abyss monsters are good, but they have such fresh new synergies here that you can?t help but be impressed.
This deck takes some of the best moves of the Burning Abyss theme, adapts them, and adds to them in startling new ways. The ability to lock out your opponent?s Special Summons while keeping your own ends games quick, leaving your Chaos monsters to bat cleanup or problem-solve the mid-game. Djinn Releaser of Rituals is just brutal against Shaddolls, Satellarknights, and Burning Abyss, while Djinn Demolisher is especially good against Fire Fists. I?ve been testing this deck for a few days, and while the Side Deck will have to wait until we see what emerging metagames look like after YCS Dallas, I think it?s got tremendous potential.
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Today I went skating in an ice rink for the first time. Family said BT on Ice was the best show in town. (I'm alive)
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I'm so tired of being here
Suppressed by all my childish fears
And if you have to leave
I wish that you would just leave
'Cause your presence still lingers here
And it won't leave me alone
These wounds won't seem to heal
This pain is just too real
There's just too much that time cannot erase
When you cried I'd wipe away all of your tears
When you'd scream I'd fight away all of your fears
And I held your hand through all of these years
But you still have ALLLLLLLLLLL OF MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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this one
Zak's D1 flip had the errata as well so :/
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Can we just end the day already?
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I don't understand what you mean by that
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PM gaming is dumb anyways and should be grounds for a mod kill if it becomes serious enough
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Ok?
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#nohammergaming
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Unvote
Screw this I'll keep the no hammer streak alive if I have to
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lol, 4 hours remaining
##Vote: Shadoweh
might as well end the day at some hour that doesnt suck completely since it looks people arent talking
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Well I hope you aren't expecting me to end the day at an hour convenient to you!
It would be against my win condition to hammer myself after all.
And you would lose out on my company!
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##vote Shadoweh
L-1.
Since phase is nearly over and nothing new contributed lately, I feel like if Shadoweh self hammers now it won't be a tragedy.
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Vote Shadoweh
First hammer
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Confirming hammer has landed, please shut up until Affinity comes around.
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Turns out that Shadoweh did not have a good alibi for last night, and so town danced around Shadoweh as she was tied to a burning stake. Curiously, the play of light and heat across her crimson eyes made her regress into youth, and people marvelled at this transformation. She spouted fanfiction, anecdotes and stuff completely anachronistic and irrelevant, and soon people stopped dancing just to listen to her musical words. Even Nitori, heading a delegation of kappa, came down from the Mountain not to help the Village, but merely to record her words for future business. It was not a day of mafia as much as it was a day around the campfire.
And so, the queen of the scarlet night came to a pathetic end, evaporating into the air like a baby without a mother backwards. What went through her mind at that time, her regrets, her wishes and her relations, is beyond the scope of this narration (particularly because the narrator is human and sleepy), and so that's it. Remilia Scarlet, Mafia Godmother came to an end. Town roared.
But then someone spoke and the roar was cut short! It was Conqueror, smiling at the death of Shadoweh, and his hat fell off to reveal long purple hair and rabbit ears. Her eyes were glowing red too, but not blood red but lunatic red, whatever that means. In her hands, the moonstone glowed with power and with a quick incantation, Reisen Undonge Inaba, Lunatic Moon Rabbit, blipped up into the sky, away from sight and sound.
Apparently, he had won his own victory. It's up to town to find theirs, and there was no more padding anymore.
For the first time in two nights, time fell silent.
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Shadoweh's role-PM is as follows:
You are Remillia Scarlet, Mafia Godmother aligned with the scum.
For a long time, you honestly thought that you had actually surpassed your shameful heritage. That the wisdom and experience of 500 years would prevail, and that you'd never have to commit such horrible things again. Sadly, the same ungodly impulses from long ago have seized you almost completely, and when the fangs bare and the moon shines blood red, there's nothing one can do but succumb to their instincts. Such is life.
You have the following abilities:
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Godmother (active) - If you are targeted by an investigative ability during the night, you would return the same results as if you were town (not guilty) and human.
Convert (active) - On N2, you must attempt to convert someone into a vampire Mafia goon with no special abilities. However, they will be given info on the rest of the scumteam and access to the scum QT only on the next night.
Fate Manipulation (passive) - Whenever a coinflip results from a tie in the number of votes between you and the competing wagon, the other person will always be lynched.
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You also know of the presence of the Night Hunter, a vampire sided with the town who will merely die when targeted by the conversion ability.
You know that Sanae Kochiya is not in the game, and so you may fakeclaim as her if you wish. A shrine maiden who supposedly rushed to the village at first opportunity when bad news reached her, or something.
You win when scum form the majority. Good luck.
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Conqueror, having fulfilled a hidden win condition as independent third party, has won the game. His role PM is as follows:
You are Reisen Undongein Inaba, the Lunatic Moon Rabbit aligned with the third-party.
Caught in the crossroads of the conflict between vampires and humans, and somewhat tired of your eternal servitude to Eirin and Kaguya, you wonder if you can somehow gain a monopoly on the full moon's power over the Scarlets (fake as it is). Maybe then you could bargain your way back into a nice homecoming, back to the way things were, the halcyon days before the accursed date of 1969.
You have the following abilities:
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Commute (passive): - You plan to evade the ensuing carnage by journeying back into the Bamboo Forest. On tbe beginning of N2, everyone in the topic will be notified that you will not be around to target or be targeted during the night.
Lunar Mark (passive): During the beginning of N0 and N1, you gain a lunar mark, which you may inflict on other players immediately (see below).
Inflict Mark (active) - Once per night, if you have any in reserve, you may inflict a lunar mark on another player. That person is now marked.
Redirect (active) - Once per night, you may use your illusory powers to redirect a marked person onto another player. Any actions the player undertakes will now be targeteted onto this other player. The person will no longer be marked after use.
Red Eyes (active) - You may act as a one-shot bulletproof and a godmother (giving townie/human results to investigative roles) for the night you use this ability. You may only use this ability once in the game.
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You also sense the presence of the moonstone, a family heirloom of the villagers passed around every twilight meant to protect the holder from the N2 conversion. However, you also know that its actually a fragment of the moon. If you or the people you marked manage to get hold of it, you sense that it will probably benefit you in some way.
You know that Maribel Hearn is not in the game, and thus you may fakeclaim as her. A girl who mishappened her way into Gensokyo not long ago, supposedly.
You win when Remillia Scarlet is dead, and you manage to survive when either town or scum achieve their win condition. All the best.
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The moonstone is no longer in the game
It is now Night 5. You have a 24 hours remaining (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141018T01&p0=80&msg=End+of+N5&csz=1) to send in night actions.
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Thinking it was safe due to last night, SB wandered off in the woods with her trusty magnifying glass, hearing voices beckon to her. Bored out of her wits in Makai, she always wanted to investigate a major incident and well, this was her chance to finally play police. She followed footprints in the snow, she examined the broken twigs and cracked branches, she sniffed the air and picked up scents, all in the darkness of the night and in the shade of the trees. Such was her skill in deductive reasoning, such was the ultimate test which she had been waiting for; to wander in the deep dark woods alone with no weapon in hand,.
She could hardly wait.
Neither could her assailants, however.
The snow off the forest trail was stained with blood that morning. Peevish pokes at the body revealed her to be Kotohime, Town Jack of All Trades, a long forgotten character no-one is familiar with. Well, if there's anything to be said, even the best detectives can't investigate their own deaths, so meh.
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SB's flip is as follows:
You're Kotohime, Town JoAT and a human. You're not sure what you're doing here, as the the little rabbit princess, but well, strange things are afoot, and it's up to you as the police officer to set things straight! It'll be good practice to hone your excellent skills, no doubt!
You have the following abilities, and may only use any combination of them thrice in the game, on non-N2 nights:
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Track (active) - If the target carries out any night action, the target of that action will be known to you.
Watch (active) - If the target is targeted as a result of any other night actions, the initiators of those actions will be known to you.
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You win when town form the majority. All the best.
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It is now Day 6. Town is in MyLO.
With 6 remaining, it takes 4 to lynch. You have 72 hours remaining (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141020T22&p0=80&msg=End+of+D6&csz=1).
P.S: Apologies for the early start but I'm really sleepy now!
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##Vote: CF7
this ones pretty obvious
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lol Mitsuki claim
Vote BT
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also it would be cool if someone could barf out a d3 votecount before dorian got himself mod killed
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P.S: Apologies for the early start but I'm really sleepy now!
You're so damn welcome, I'm tried of midnight deadlines :|
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huh im pretty sure CF7 is scum which is why SB was gunning for him the later part of the game
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Unvote
Unvote Rawr. Everyone claim now
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##Unvote
why do i need to unvote to claim again?
rika, human, and vanilla.
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isnt there 6 alive? are we being haunted by a spooky ghost?
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anyways ignoring the opinions of cf7 and bt anyone think they arent scum?
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Kasen, VT.
D2 I was given a choice to pass the moonstone to someone or to not do so at all. None of the townie slots were safe from the possibility that I'd pass to them so they were a doc-evasion-esque gamble, and it was possible I was acting (knowing the stone's true purpose) thus not passing the stone to anyone so that's rolling the dice even harder. (I didn't know) Still safe to think they wouldn't recruit a weak slot, so CF7 is off-limits and NNR/PX (PX started getting active on D3) were pretty weak picks at the time, so I think it's Sky.
Final scum is trickier now and I'd have to binge read interactions to be sure of any of this.
Why did Conq leave? His wincon makes it sound like he's a survivor+.
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I'm Hong Meiling, odd-night jailor. Jailed CF7 N1, jailed Conqueror N3, jailed PX N5 but I was roleblocked.
One of the questions I asked Conqueror through the moonstone (1) was if he wanted to be protected (a) or use his role (b) on N5. You can see how this changes when first he replies (b) while he was claiming to be BP and then switches to saying it was a reaction test but tells me that (a).
The other question (2) was about wether or not to claim the odd night part but scum probably got the messages about the moonstone anyways...
I can confirm that I was given the option to not pass the moonstone.
I agree with BT that scum probably didn't recruit either CF7 or NNR, so at least one of them is town. PX is still a townread. I need to reread and update my thoughts.
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Well, personally, i think it's Sky+???
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Can someone tell me recent games where Rawr has been scum?
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I am basically out for the first half of this day phase, when I get back ---
To do -
Check if SB really did leave crumbs so we can rule out/rule in some players.
Check Raikaria/Shadoweh interactions with other players, specifically CF7/BT since I think they're scum.
Check if Mitsuki's claim is actually possible re: Conqueror targeted by everybody + SB claimed roleblock.
Related to what PX said, I'm interested in checking which players were happy to vote for town on day 1 and 2 but kind of sort of couldn't be bothered to get around voting for basically confirmed scums on day 4 and day 5.
I am down with a mass claim. I am highly dubious of CF7/BT's claims and flavorclaims.
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Oh right, I forgot this x__X
I am Alice Margatroid. I'm just a common or garden variety vanilla town.
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Alright, Mitsuki's claim checks out. She is confirmed town at this point.
That said, the fact that she's still alive means that scum shouldn't have been able to spy on moonstone messages since they would have killed her for saying she could protect. Which makes the NKs even weirder so ???
Gonna need to spec on that later. Any of the other 4 could be scum
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PX
Alright, Mitsuki's claim checks out. She is confirmed town at this point.
The only way you could know this is if you have a night action that could have been blocked.
However, you claimed vanilla day 1.
GG eat rope?
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jailed PX N5 but I was roleblocked.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Okay, it's most likely between NNRawr, BT, and Sky Palladium. Out of those 3, BT is the highest odds of being recruit scum. (He's the only possible choice out of those 3 :/)
Cut: Wat?
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Re: PX
Unless an interesting and all encompassing explanation comes forth, I think it's a 1 v 1 between you and Mitsuki since you both claim to be blocked night 5. And Mitsuki's block on you was blocked (allegedly).
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I was cross checking her claim with Conq's posts on D4, they pretty much confirm each other. Also
Vote Sky Paladin
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To clarify, PX, you are claiming to be blocked/jailed, because the only way Mitsuki's claim could be 'checked out' is if you had an action that was prevented.
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I uhhhh what? ....
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I was cross checking her claim with Conq's posts on D4, they pretty much confirm each other. Also
Vote Sky Paladin
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I was cross checking her claim with Conq's posts on D4, they pretty much confirm each other. Also
Vote Sky Paladin
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Ballsy move I gotta say. Anyways, Mitsuki should be using her action offensively, but we know there's a roleblocker out there (or she's scum :|) so we need to take care of that first
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PX, your response to "please explain your claim since it counterclaims Mitsuki" is to vote me in LYLO without explanation.
Well there's scum number 3.
Add to my to do list:
Check PX for interactions.
I'll let you guys chat about this while I sleep, if you can dig out scum #4 before I get up that'd be sweet.
cut:
What are you talking about.
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Because I never said I was blocked, or even have any abilities since I'm Vanilla town and have been since the game has started?
I'll look to see who the scum is between Sky and NNRawr
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Wait a second.
Is it MyLo or Pseudo-MyLo? Does this mean scum wins automatically if we lynch town regardless of roles that may or may not exist?
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Unvote
Vote No Lynch
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No wait I am retarded because Mitsuki can't act tonight
Unvote
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Which just proves her claim even more :/
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Wait she can't block either crapbaskets. Welp.
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I'm just about sold on CF7 town so far reading through Day 1.
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Wait, scum had a roleblock so they didn't care about a doctor gdi. I guess they can spy on moonstone messages and killed SB for implying a PR. Or did he just outright claim being a PR? W/e
Actually, screw it for now.
BT is like 99% converted scum, and Mitsuki is 100% going to die tonight. I'll continue reading and stuff after food but for now
Vote BT
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Hm... I am trying to make sense of the Mitsuki's claim.
I dunno things just do not add up. Or rather they're convenient. Since she claims she blocked people who can't confirm that they are blocked.
Conq never said that he was roleblocked on N3. I never received a message i was roleblocked. But i am a VT so it's probably okay since there was no action blocked. She also says that she was roleblocked this night. And that's not provable either.
I am not saying this is super damning per se, but it's kind of a fake claim reasonable for scum!roleblocker.
Also, i kinda do not want to discuss BT's likeliness convert status, since levels of WIFOM in that would be too high, and i don't have time for this at the moment. I would have converted PX or maybe Sky for example. For reasons.
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Hm... I need to reread the whole game trying to find something i need and it's going to be a pain it seems.
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Except scum had a one shot strong arm, so there should be a town protective role or else ???
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That or they role copped Dormio to be a doctor on N1 but ???
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Conq also said his N3 action had a weird result, so I take that as he was blocked
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@PX: It is MyLO, meaning that a mislynch is confirmed to lose the game for town (but a no-lynch is not).
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i dont understand if mitsuki is jailer cant she block the night kill making it potential mylo?
also looks like everyone is assuming theres only 1 scum so ill go with it two. i never really understood mafia numbers :X
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2 scum 4 town. Mitsuki is odd night only (it's night 6)
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Can someone tell me recent games where Rawr has been scum?
i think my last game as scum was affinitys last game he hosted which ended in me getting modkilled. i think it was nhk mafia or something but the tl;dr scum team was retarded in several ways
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Mitsuki, why did you target me on N1?
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ive also learned from my mistakes so no i didnt vote my scum buddy shadoweh right when i replaced in
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i could have worded that better but im pretty sure people get the idea
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Mitsuki, why did you target me on N1?
jailor = doc + roleblocker
scum had no nightkill, so I used it for the roleblock part
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Yes, but why me? Or rather why did you use it in the first place? Considering that scum had no NK on N1, blocking potential town PR's is bad too.
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Because I thought you were scum
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Still at festival
Think Mitsuki/PX scum team please consider.
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Still at festival
Think Mitsuki/PX scum team please consider.
No because why?
That said, at least Sky Palladium is TRYING. Unlike the rest of you all. God, just vote BT guys if you're not going to do anything for the day.
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Think Mitsuki/PX scum team please consider.
i cant imagine px throwing his cum buddy under the bus with incredibly sketchy reason as role info that wasnt even in dorians flip.
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I;m exhausted.
I will check in the morning but you guys can do something too.
Mitsuuki claimed target Conq n3 but he said anybody targeting him got sabbed re: SB and Shadoweh (which is how we caught Shadoweh not incidentally) but Mitsuki didn't mention being roleblocked N3. She only mentioned eing rolebocked n5. When she targets PX.
PX said the wording "Mitsuki is confirme town" but the only way from his position he could know that is if he has a night action that was nightblocked. but Mitsuki said her action was locked. So we have an issue to solve.
PX did not throw Raikaria under a bus under sketchy circumstances. Raikaria attacked him, I voted first, PX joined after, then Dorian did his thing and exploded when Raikaria was about ot be lnched.
Ill vote after I had a chance to read. I'm really interested in reading what Mitsuki said/did day 3 before/after Conq said he roleblocked anybody who targeted him, and Mitsuki said now she targeted him.
Also before I forget, Mitsuki didn't claim in a town way.
Town way claim is : Hi I am this role/flavor, on night 1 I did xyz because of so-and-so, on night 2 I did abc because whatever. We saw this with Raikaria - we had to drag his fake night actions out of him (or maybe that was another game, I can't remember) and it's scum.
Mitsuki, why did you target PX night 5? Why did you target Conqueror night 3?
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Also I'm not really sure but I think if Conq was really jailed it would have impacted the moonstone movement from player to player, got to go check where that went too.
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PX's recent squabbling over Mitsuki's claim is townie and Mitsuki's claim is townie (and also makes sense with the whole N2 commuting thing along with Cop Dan). Recruit circumstances makes me pretty confident it's Sky. As for the final scum - probably CF7. I mean, it's not like townie-replacement-rawr churned out content as expected from a townie replacement, but I still don't think his reactions are staged. Plus I don't think it's rawr/Sky because they both addressed the errata thing and tried fishing for townclears that way and it'd be super awkward on their end as scumbuddies. CF7 has been a dead slot walking for the first half in the game and has probably been subject to free bussing since he was barely playing. I don't remember a recent post by him (last few days) that made me think town and even when I defended his lynch back in D2/D3 it was because I saw both town and scum motivation for his posts (as opposed to "only scum motivation" from Medaka D1 - but it's dumb treating that as a rule of thumb). I would scour the thread for evidence but I'm procrastinating.
Sky's case for Mitsuki/PX is bad because it ignores... everything? And hinges on a small interaction instead. And the way he addresses Mitsuki's claim reminds me of how scum Raikaria tried spinning my jailor claim against me in Mitsuki's game (trying to say it's convenient). Wasn't Conq's reflexive roleblock active on N4, not N3?
##Vote Sky_Paladin
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BT is the highest odds of being recruit scum. (He's the only possible choice out of those 3 :/)
Sky wasn't a bad outside choice at the time because some people had a townread on him (I did!) and no one pushed hard for his lynch IIRC? Scum didn't know what I'd do with the moonstone so they avoided targeting me/SB and targeted tier 2 townies instead (you, Sky - but I don't think it's you).
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Unvote
Vote Sky Palladium
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I've lost all motivation on this game, to be honest. I know I have to keep up with it though so I'm going to do stuff now.
Ill vote after I had a chance to read. I'm really interested in reading what Mitsuki said/did day 3 before/after Conq said he roleblocked anybody who targeted him, and Mitsuki said now she targeted him.
Conqueror roleblocked people on N4, not N3. I wasn't roleblocked.
Also before I forget, Mitsuki didn't claim in a town way.
Town way claim is : Hi I am this role/flavor, on night 1 I did xyz because of so-and-so, on night 2 I did abc because whatever. We saw this with Raikaria - we had to drag his fake night actions out of him (or maybe that was another game, I can't remember) and it's scum.
Mitsuki, why did you target PX night 5? Why did you target Conqueror night 3?
Because they were townreads and I thought they were likely to get killed. Thought it was obvious so I didn't clarify it.
Doing a quick read on Welcome to the NHK makes me think Rawr is town. He posted way less there and he didn't seem to have a train of thought behind his actions, also his posts were non-commital. Here he seems to be trying to be active and contributing, and he's actually posting reasoning.
I think Sky Paladin's case on me is scummy because he tries to pass stuff that has alternate (and more logical) explanations as something scummy without giving a reason on why it would be. To be specific, he says that I'm only roleblocked when I target PX but why would that mean we're buddies? Also PX saying I'm confirmed town, same question again.
Need to ISO him to make sure though.
and cut
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I wouldn't think sky paladin is Scum based off his reasoning. He tried doing the same thing to lld last game did t he and he was town.
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Also am I the only one still thinking cf7 is Scum?
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Spent the whole day playing tabletop games. Sorry. Also i am feeling tired. Again, sorry. Will post and vote when i am awake tomorrow.
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Everything is Anything
Sky_Paladin: BT, PX (2)
Not voting: Mitsuki, CF7, Sky_Paladin, rawr (4)
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch
28 hours remain (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141020T22&p0=80&msg=End+of+D6&csz=1)
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If either of you are town on me, that's gg, so please unvote since nobody has actually gone back to do wagon/interaction/crumb analysis yet and there's still a whole day left.
This is probably the main thing though - what is the case on me again? Exactly.
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I just noticed it's 4 to lynch instead of 3.
PX, why are you sheeping BT when you scum read him for the last half of the game?
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Well scum hasn't hammered yet so at least ONE of you must be the scums. Question is, which one.
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Unvote
Vote BT
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Unvote
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Idk early game stuff makes me think NNR is scum. Meh
At least BT is trying to get someone lynched. Kind of. More like trying to get himself not lynched. And I doubt he'd be likely to bus his partner this late in the game with much doubt. Iirc he played pretty safe when I was scum with him in Adorable Mafia. Also weren't you the scum that killed him in NHK Rawr? W/e, I still feel BT is the scum.
Vote BT
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i killed omba my fellow scum buddy with a night kill in nhk mafia. i doint remember anything from adorable mafia.
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also yea id take BT lynch over sky paladin any day. as unlikely as sky paladins case is i dont think that makes him scum. why would scum try to make a case and try to push one of the most unlikely lynches at the moment
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i now know why i dont remember anything from adorable mafia because i wasnt in it lol
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Sigh. There's no internet connection at work. Writing from a cafe. I am kinda trusting my gut here, but here goes
##Vote Sky Paladin
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Everything and Anything is Anything and Everything
Sky_Paladin: BT, CF7 (2)
BT: PX (1)
Not voting: Mitsuki, Sky_Paladin, rawr (3)
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch
16 hours remain (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141020T22&p0=80&msg=End+of+D6&csz=1)
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Tempted to self vote and end it all because the apathy in town is unbearable.
Maybe we should no lynch and try again day 7? We don't lose, and scum will reduce our pool of suspects by one.
Here's the tallies.
Day 1 tally
Zakeri: Sky_Pal, Raikaria, Mitsuki, BT, PX (5)
CF7: Shadoweh, Conqueror, ActionDan, Zakeri, Dorian (5)
Shadoweh: SB (1)
PX: NNR, Dormio (2)
Mitsuki: CF7 (1)
Not voting: Oarfish (1)
Day 2 tally
CF7: Mitsuki, NNR, SB, Raikaria (4)
Raikaria: Dorian, (1)
O4rfish: Sky_Paladin, Conqueror, Shadoweh, BT, Dormio (5)
Sky Paladin: ActionDan (1)
BT: O4rfish (1)
PX: CF7 (1)
Day 3 tally
Raikaria: Dorian, Sky_Paladin, Mitsuki, Conqueror, SB (5)
Mitsuki: Shadoweh (1)
DrRawr: ActionDan, CF7, BT, Raikaria (4)
Shadoweh: SB, Rawr (2)
Day 4 tally
Raikaria: PX, Sky_Paladin, Mitsuki, rawr, Conq, CF7 (hammer)
Shadoweh: Raikaria, CF7 (2)
Non voters: Shadoweh, BT, SB (3)
Day 5 tally
Shadoweh: CF7, DrRawr, Conqueror, Sky_Paladin, PX
Nonvoters
10. Mitsuki, 15. BT
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Like basic wagon analysis shows BT never voted for scum despite super obvious wagons.
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SB crumbs
Nah, Mitsuki is probably town. (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1135129.html#msg1135129)
Case on CF7 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1134861.html#msg1134861) and another one, (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17452.msg1134714.html#msg1134714)which looks gold with CF7's "Hey let's bank the game on gut", above.
That's about all I can drag up.
SB was sure CF7 was scum from the get go, I'm sure he would have tracked CF7 night 1 at least, probably Mitsuki night 2.
On the balance of things, I do consider a no lynch for today as a viable option. I still have to read wagons and check votes.
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Got internet back at work. Which is awesome.
I am not sure how SB tracking could implicate me and all that. Also that wagon analysis is quite interesting. Although, nothing stops scum from doing it.
And yes town apathy is strong. I feel that i should try to play better, and at the same time i don't really care (there is a general reason for for this, but let's leave it there). I guess i really stopped caring after not getting lynched on N1. Which led to all kinds of bad things happening. But, again, BT not voting for scum is interesting.
##Unvote for now.
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Look I don't know. I thought CF7/BT at the start of this phase but got thrown off by PX being weird and voting all over the place.
I'm very busy and don't have time to ISO BT or cf7 this phase. I'd no lynch or vote for a phase extend. It's matsuri season I can't do jack til Wedneday basically.
I could vote for BT but that's a game losing move if PX and I are wrong. I'll sleep on it. You've got a few hours, please decide if you want another few days. There's plenty of stuff I want to read/check but no time. I kind of feel like people aren't willing to read the thread which is boggling since we have back to back scum lynched, town should be pumped and hype. It's like a graveyard in here.
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##Vote:BT
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We shouldn't no lynch because the only thing that's going to happen is that I'll be nightkilled.
I don't think that wagon analysis is telling because it basically ignores context and BT's posts. He didn't vote on D4 and D5, he wasn't there when Dorian "claimed" having a guilty on Raikaria but he found him suspicious. Also he voted Shadoweh D1 but he was voting someone else at the end of the day. Also why would scum not vote their buddies at all?
I'm quite confident that Sky Paladin is scum right now, he's been changing opinions a lot and basing his cases on ignoring all the surrounding factors to paint stuff as scummy. Not sure if he's recruit scum or original scum. If he's recruit scum, CF7 is probably the original scum, if he's original BT is definitely recruit scum. Currently I'm leaning towards the latter since Sky Paladin didn't case BT outright, but I'm not sure because of what I pointed out about Raikaria blatantly throwing dirt on BT.
Other than that CF7 and BT are mostly null, I don't see my cases on CF7 as telling right now. Can we just lynch Sky Paladin first?
cut, can someone please unvote?
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Alright, I guess I'll come out with this
Apparently the moonstone was suppressing my powers, but now that it's gone I have managed to get enough power to harness the ability of one of the deceased one time. So guess who is now a one shot cop?
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you wanna fight px?
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More reasons to lynch Sky Paladin first...
##Vote: Sky Paladin since I hadn't done this before
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you wanna fight px?
Wat
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##Vote Sky Paladin.
After some more thinking i guess Sky makes the best lynch out of you all at the moment.
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Wat
i feel really jealous and angry that such a thing exists.
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in we dont lose after sky paladins lynch (i think we will). mituski should probably look into blocking bt i guess
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also thats l-1 for sky paladin
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Pretty sure Sky Paladin is confirmed scum by now, unless both CF7 and BT are scum.
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that means im not scum and 99% sure px isnt scum
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wait doesnt that mean bt and cf7 are scum?
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or maybe im thinking about this wrong. im not thinking really hard about this
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so either sky paladin and one person on him is scum or bt and cf7 are scum.
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BT Sky team?
#Yolo?
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whats the reasoning behind cf7 not being scun? is it the day 2 wagon on cf7 with raiakria voting him? if thats the case that was raikria just consoldating on the lynch, i dont think oarfish was much of a wagon at that point
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also im still pretty convinced its cf7 and bt
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BT Sky team?
#Yolo?
go for it lol
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but why would bt vote his scum buddy right into mylo >.> tbh i dont think sky paladin was even considered at any point until his crazy reasoning
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In the Evening
Sky_Paladin: BT, CF7, Mitsuki (3) (L-1)
BT: PX , rawr (2)
Not voting: Sky_Paladin, (1)
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch
5 hours remain (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141020T22&p0=80&msg=End+of+D6&csz=1)
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@Rawr: distancing could be an explanation, but it's null in my opinion because it could go either way.
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BT and I have done this before, when we realized we were in a bad spot and decided to go super double bus to buy an extra day. It worked for an extra day, yeah. Also
YOLO
Unvote
Vote Sky Paladin
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Final Day Votecount
Sky_Paladin: BT, CF7, Mitsuki, PX (4)
BT: rawr (1)
Not voting: Sky_Paladin, (1)
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch
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Alice Margatroid was actually rather devastated by Marisa's death over the past few days, and took a backseat to all the celebrations, preferring instead to mourn for a dead friend. She really really missed Marisa during her absence, and to find her again and miss her again was... pretty marisa. The times they spent together on youkai-extermination excursions, discussions on magic, etc. passed over her in silence, and how they replayed incessantly in her mind!
Maybe this was a curse of forest magicians in particular, but she gradually went a bit loony, dressing up some of her dolls in Marisa's clothes and having them play out scenarios and memories from the past, sometimes even in the midst of others. Town, was quite frankly, freaked out by her conduct, and in this lay the seeds of many fates, hers and theirs.
On the sixth day, when they were tired and exasperated with the many mysteries and suspects, they managed to narrow down the day's lynch to BT and Sky_Paladin, the earlier for her sudden silence after N2 and the latter for her haggishness. It was all pretty close, until Alice, anxious to avenge Marisa, gave a really strange case which raised many eyebrows. Not only that, but she had the gall to accuse them of apathy and not playing the game, which incited many furies. Everyone, mafia and town included, saw the obvious case they were looking for, and as Alice was playing with her dolls, they literally pounced on her, bringing her to the scaffold as the sun set.
"Marisa!", in active speech, but no one cared. Alice Margatroid, Vanilla Town was raised by rope just as she raised her dolls by string. She looked like a puppet of the gods as her dolls, dressed and undressed, were collected in a pile and burned. She died with hatred in her heart.
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Sky_Paladin's role PM is as follows:
You are Alice Margatroid, Vanilla Townie and human. You have no special abilities.
Times were more interesting when Marisa was around to act as rivals, but her recent seculsion has made you feel really lonely. Oh well, you still have this friendship to fight for, if nothing else. You hope she's okay.
You win when town form the majority. All the best.
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gg wp. this game was pretty hilarious the moment i replaced in and saw that i had already won but didnt
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Epilogue
When this information came to light, a sudden chill descended upon the Village. The autumn leaves grew crinkled. Birds flew past town in haste, in flight of whatever and wherever.
Evening came for the last time and remained forever.
As town huddled together in fear, BT, Kasen Ibraki, Mafia Goon, and Mitsuki, Sakuya Izayoi, Scum JoAT, did away with their disguises, and descended upon town with mischievous fury. There was much bloodletting in the dark, and very soon the Village was forgotten, in ruins, a thing of the past.
The Scarlet Devil Mansion, on the other hand, looked exceptionally beautiful that night.
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Mafia, consisting of Shadoweh, Raikaria, Mitsuki, and BT, have won!
Conqueror, Third Party, looking on from the moon with a sense of apathy, has won!
Town, consisting of everyone else, have lost!
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BAD END
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Seeing how my buddies kept dying one by one was the worst thing ever, and if this game reached D7 it'd become obvious I wasn't jailor since it'd just be MyLo insteado of presudo MyLo. Glad everything worked out in the end, town played super well so I didn't think we'd win!
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man shadoweh outright crumbed mitsuki being her buddy when posting my immortal. fucked up
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I've never read past chapter one of my immortal. Too painful.
gg
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Man was 100% certain BT was scum :/
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> Town played super well
I would completely argue against this seeing how the last 3 days went. Literally nobody else trying to play the game just took away all my motivation to try.
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I don't think I'm cut out to play Mafia any more. I guess you win your petty grudge against me, PX.
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I was the first scum kill and that's good enough for me.
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Role PMs:
Conq:
You are Reisen Undongein Inaba, the Lunatic Moon Rabbit aligned with the third-party. Caught in the crossroads of the conflict between vampires and humans, and somewhat tired of your eternal servitude to Eirin and Kaguya, you wonder if you can somehow gain a monopoly on the full moon's power over the Scarlets (fake as it is). Maybe then you could bargain your way back into a nice homecoming, back to the way things were, the halcyon days before the accursed date of 1969.
You have the following abilities:
Commute (passive) - You plan to evade the ensuing carnage by journeying back into the Bamboo Forest. On tbe beginning of N2, everyone in the topic will be notified that you will not be around to target or be targeted during the night.
Lunar Mark (passive): During the beginning of N0 and N1, you gain a lunar mark, which you may inflict on other players immediately (see below).
Inflict (active) - Once per night, if you have any in reserve, you may inflict a lunar mark on another player. That person is now marked
Redirect (active) - Once per night, you may use your illusory powers to redirect a marked person onto another player. Any actions the player undertakes will now be targeteted onto this other player. The person will no longer be marked after use.
Red Eyes (active) - You may act as a one-shot bulletproof and a godmother (giving townie/human results to investigative roles) for the night you use this ability. You may only use this ability once in the game.
You also sense the presence of the moonstone, a family heirloom of the villagers passed around every twilight meant to protect the holder from the N2 conversion. However, you also know that its actually a fragment of the moon. If you or the people you marked manage to get hold of it, you sense that it will probably benefit you in some way.
You know that Maribel Hearn is not in the game, and thus you may fakeclaim as her. A girl who mishappened her way into Gensokyo not long ago, supposedly.
You win when Remillia Scarlet is dead, and you manage to survive when either town or scum achieve their win condition. All the best.
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Scum
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Shadoweh:
You are Remillia Scarlet,Mafia Godmother aligned with scum. For a long time, you honestly thought that you had actually surpassed your shameful heritage. That the wisdom and experience of 500 years would prevail, and that you'd never have to commit such horrible things again. But sadly, the same ungodly impulses from long ago have seized you almost completely, and when the fangs bare and the moon shines blood red, there's nothing one can do but succumb to their instincts. Such is life.
You have the following abilities:
Godmother (active) - If you are targeted by an investigative ability during the night, you would return the same results as if you were town (not guilty) and human.
Convert (active) - On N2, you must attempt to convert someone into a vampire Mafia goon with no special abilities. However, they will be given info on the rest of the scumteam and access to the scum QT only on the next night.
Fate Manipulation (passive) - Whenever a coinflip results from a tie in the number of votes between you and the competing wagon, the other person will always be lynched.
You also know of the presence of the Night Hunter, a vampire sided with the town who will merely die when targeted by the conversion ability.
You know that Sanae Kochiya is not in the game, and so you may fakeclaim as her if you wish. A shrine maiden who supposedly rushed to the village at first opportunity when bad news reached her, or something.
You are scumbuddies with X and Y, and can converse in the QT here. You win when scum form the majority. Good luck.
Mitsuki:
You are Sakuya Izayoi, Mafia JoAT and aligned with the scum. Recent events have been quite distressing, and your fellow inhabitants in the SDM have already fled the mansion under Remillia's auspices. While your loyalty to the SDM and its master still remains intact despite all the atrocities to come, you secretly wonder whether things are really as they are meant to be.
You have the following abilities:
Commute (passive) - In one of Remillia's last lucid moments, she wished for you to evade the scene on the night of the full moon so that you might not see her at her worst. On the beginning of N2, everyone in the topic will be notified that you will not be around to target or be targeted by any night actions during the night.
Rolecop (active) - Once during the game, you may rolecop someone. That person's full role PM sans alignment will be given to you in most cases.
Roleblock (active) - Twice during the game, you may roleblock someone and prevent her from carrying out her night actions.
Rewind (active) - Once during the game, you may rewind a target back to the game-state she was in at the start of the game. Sadly, this action will fail against vampires. You may target yourself and hence replenish all of your abilities.
Furthermore, by some interesting twist of fate, you are in possession of the moonstone, the fabled heirloom of the Human Village destined to appear in times of crisis. All you know about the stone is that it has the effect of preventing a human from being converted on N2 (causing the person to merely die), and that it is extremely harmful to vampires if they were to take possession of it (what effect it is exactly is unknown).
On the first twilight, you must pass the moonstone to someone else (not the Scarlets!). That person will only be told that they must pass the stone the next twilight, everything else is shrouded in mystery, including your identity as the stone-passer. You may attach a 100-word PM to the stone detailing its 'effects to mislead them (or tell the truth!), if you wish.
You know that Hong Meiling is not in the game (for very sad reasons), and so you may fakeclaim as her if you wish, as the gatekeeper of SDM who fled the scene some time ago.
You are scumbudies with Y and Z, and can converse in the QT here. You win when scum form the majority. Good luck.
Raikaria:
You are Flandre Scarlet, Mafia N2-Janitor Vig and aligned with the scum. Things are really really fun nowadays! You can still remember the night she suddenly stopped hating you, the night she unlocked the basement and embraced you with tears in her eyes. You're not quite sure what's she so sad about, but now she's given you full rein to do whatever you want! Together with her, you await the full moon with great anticipation, the night where you and your sister can finally leave up to the epitaph 'Scarlet Devil' after so long.
You have the abilities:
Consume (active) - On N2, you must target someone and attempt to suck them dry. This kill will pierce through all protection, and the leftover body will be so mutilated that no one will know who the victim is (flip concealed). However you'll probably not remember anything yourself, so you won't get a flip either.
One-shot hitman (active) - If you are conducting the NK, you may choose to use your hitman shot. It will pierce through all forms of protection as well.
You know that Byakuren Hijiri is not in the game, and thus you can fakeclaim as her if you wish, as a travelling missionary wishing to spread the tenets of Bhuddism.
You are scumbuddies with X and Z and converse in the QT here. You win when scum form the majority. All the best.
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Town
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Dorian:
You are Marisa Kirasame, Town Mycologist! Happy-go-lucky in the face of adversity! Optimistic even when the world around you is detiorating! Sociable even when most of your friends have abandoned you! Well, haha! The secret to your illogical happiness is a diet of wholesome mushrooms, handpicked from the best places! Who cares what people think of you as long as you're happy! It's who you are, after all! >:D
You have the following 'abilities':
Mushrooms (active): Once every night except for N2, you may forcefully feed the target some mushrooms! What they do you've long forgotten, but they are certain to spread the joy! :0
Facade (active): Research has shown that one's emotions are determined by their facial appearances and verbal tics, and you're a staunch believer in that! Every post you make must include an exclamation mark and a word or emoticon conveying the idea of happiness and joy! Cause if you don't too many times, your facade will probably fall apart and you'll get depressed! bad things happen when you're depressed! :(
You win when town forms the majority. Good luck! :)
Sadly, you are also Marisa Kirasame, Town Night Hunter, and a stinkin' vampire. You're not sure what happened some time ago, on that fateful night of the full moon when you suddenly lost all control, but well... that's how things are and will be forever. Trying to distract yourself from the truth has only affirmed it ever more strongly, and well, sigh.
In addtion to the above, you have the following abilities:
Secret identity (passive): If you let anyone know you are a vampire or that you have done something on N2, you'd probably be lynched immediately (modkill). You may do this on purpose however. If you last till LyLO and it's MyLO, psuedo- equivalents, this restriction is lifted.
Visit (active): On N2 only, you may visit someone. You'll be told whether she conducted any night actions or not.
Immunity (passive): If you're targeted by Remillia's conversion ability, you'll merely die instead.
You win when town forms the majority. All the best. Hopefully you can redeem yourself somehow.
Dormio:
You are Reimu Hakurei, Town Jailkeeper and human. You're not sure what happened to Remillia recently, she seemed rather schizophrenic and frightful the last time she came over to your shrine for tea. It'll be sad to face her again in a non-friendly capacity, but that's what you gotta do for the Human Village.
You have the following abilities:
Jailkeep (active): On every night except for N2, you may jailkeep someone. While that person will be protected from most kills, he will also be roleblocked and unable to conduct any actions that night. You may not jailkeep yourself, nor may you jailkeep someone twice in a row.
You win when town forms the majority. All the best.
ActionDan:
You are Hatate Himekaidou, Town Commuter Cop and a tengu! Well, exciting things are happening in the Human Village, and while you're not sure what exactly, you know it's worth a scoop. Too bad you left your camera back at the Youkai Mountain, but that probably won't be a problem for you.
You have the following abilities:
Commute (passive) - Rather conveniently, you plan to slip away on the night of the full moon to get your camera. On the beginning of N2 , everyone in the topic will be notified that you will not be around to target or be targeted by any night actions during the night.
Investigate (active) - From N3 onwards, you may inverstigate someone as long as you don't get a successful investigation the previous night. That person's alignment will be made known to you.
You win when town forms the majority. All the best.
SB:
You're Kotohime, Town JoAT and a human. You're not sure what you're doing here, as the the little rabbit princess, but well, strange things are afoot, and it's up to you as the police officer to set things straight! It'll be good practice to hone your excellent skills, no doubt.
You have the following abilities, and may only use any combination of them thrice in the game, on non-N2 nights:
Track (active) - If the target carries out any night action, the target of that action will be known to you.
Watch (active) - If the target is targeted as a result of any other night actions, the initiators of those actions will be known to you.
You win when town form the majority. All the best.
PX:
You are Patchoulli Knowledge, Vanilla Townie and human. Sometime ago, Remillia pleaded with everyone at dinner to leave the mansion, and go far far away to a place where she could not touch them. It was a tragic moment, passed over in silence and in sobbing, and though you did leave in haste, you decided to stick around in the Human Village on the off-chance that you could do anything to help. Too bad the nights you spent pouring through the books you poured over had nothing to say on the vampires that stalk the night, and to think that Remi could number herself among them is... a bit much. You plan to continue researching, but things look grim when grimoires don't say anything.
You win when town form the majority. All the best.
Oar4ish:
You are Renko Usami, Vanilla Townie and human. This time, you looked a bit too far beyond the looking-glass, only to fall into one of the most acopolyptic events to benight Gensokyo in all of its history ever since the last NoTV. You're not sure if your friend Maribel is around here to, but you hope very much to fight to preserve it, and perhaps journey around this beautiful, beautiful place, as you have always wanted.
You win when town form the majority. All the best.
CF7:
You are Heida no Akyuu, Vanilla Townie and human. You can chronicle things pretty well, but this situation calls for the present and not the past sadly so you have no speical abilities. You're pretty sure that this event isn't meant to be, and you hope history will see better days yet. The future will be better tomorrow after all.
You win when town form the majority. All the best.
Zakeri:
You are Rikako Asakura, Vanilla Townie and human. According to your calculations, Gensokyo as you know it ends this week. Well, hopefully that isn't the case, but you're going to have to pull your weight with town to get through this. Hopefully you can survive to do more calculations, or something.
You win when town form the majority. All the best.
NNR/rawr:
You are Rika, Vanilla Townie and human. One day you went to the Human Village to buy a wrench and boy, look where that got you. Hopefully you can survive long enough to get back to wherever you came from. Man there just aren't enough humans in Gensokyo sometimes.
You win when town form the majority. All the best.
BT:
You are Kasen Ibraki Vanilla Townie and human. Sadly your ability to talk to birds won't do you much good here. If only you could converse with bats.., but generally, like other people in touhou, you're just at the wrong place at the wrong time. Hopefully you can help the Human Village get through this ordeal and get on to wherever you're going. (man I don't even know you)
You win when town form the majority. All the best.
Unfortunately, you have been targeted by the conversion effect last night, despite your best efforts at paranoia. While you were lying in wait on the doorstep of your home, Shadoweh seemed to materialize from behind, sinking her fangs into your shoulder! Pain mixed with pleasure, almost bordering on PG-13. You fell onto the floor with a limpid sigh and knew no more.
When you awoke to the sun streaming into your eyes, the sunlight burned you terribly. Front teeth shaped into fangs. Dry, itchy skin. Luckily, before any sad stuff like memories or emotions cold assail, a terrible blood hunger from within blanked out your mind.
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The transformation is complete. From now on, you are now Kasen Ibraki, Mafia Goon, and a vampire. You will be notified of the scum QT and your buddies (other than Shadoweh, who's Remillia Scarlet) only during the night.
Due to your tremendous hunger, you must attempt the NK every night until you get a successful one, under the risk of death by starvation. If you don't manage to kill anyone the next two nights, bad things will probably happen.
Good luck, and do play for your win condition.
Sky_Paladin:
You are Alice Margatroid, Vanilla Townie and human. Times were more interesting when Marisa was around to act as rivals, but her recent seculsion has made you feel really lonely. Oh well, you still have this friendship to fight for, if nothing else. You hope she's okay.
You win when town form the majority. All the best.
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I don't think I'm cut out to play Mafia any more. I guess you win your petty grudge against me, PX.
Hahahahahaha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Ahahahahahahahahahahahshaha
I think this is the only way I can respond without getting in trouble.
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I thought PX was scum for putting effort into the game 6 days in a row, town PX doesn't do that.
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Bastard Notes:
Moonstone:
- Moonstone starts off purple, changes color based on who was lynched previously. If scum, turns red, town, turns purple. Grants hidden hated modifier to holder depending on faction and color (e.g if red, town holder is hated, etc.)
- Blocks recruitment as advertised.
- If holder is lynched or NK'ed, it ends up on a random human on the wagon/in the game.
Reisen:
- If a person she marks gets the moonstone, she is rolecopped (sans alignment)
- When she receives the moonstone, she'll be told the above, gain 1 mark, and get a reflexive roleblock.
- If Remillia is lynched and she gains possession of the moonstone, she wins automatically (shoehorned due to Conq being OP)
Dorian:
- If she sends a mushroom/visits either Reimu, Alice or Patchoulli, she forms neighbor QTs with them, where she can tell them her troubles (and results) with no penalty.
- If she visits the recruit on N2, they become lovers.
- If she broke her PR too many times she would get a hated modifier and more.
ActionDan:
- If she is rewound by Sakuya, her camera disappears! and she would have no cop ability.
Dormio:
- If whoever she targets is marked, it is removed without her knowing (flavor).
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so what was with "town forms a majority" in the role pm?
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Requesting QT links and night actions. I want to know why my mark on BT disappeared :V
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http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/eApwvHSZjVu
This was my personal cutie. There's not much there though.
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Night actions
N1:
Mitsuki rolecops Dormio -> learns that he's Reimu Hakurei, non-N2 Jailkeeper.
Conq marks BT -> mark instantly activates, Conq learns that he has no special abilities. Conq can replace the 100-word PM BT sends with his own, and will learn who he passes it to.
Dormio jailkeeps Dorian -> successful
Dorian feeds Dormio -> action fail
SB tracks Shadoweh -> no result
N2:
Raikaria vig'ed Dormio
Shadoweh converted BT -> (mark disappears as BT is now a vampire, Conq notified)
Dorian visited Raikaria -> knows she targeted someone else last night.
N3:
SB watches Conq -> Mitsuki targeted him
Conq marks Mitsuki -> failed
Mitsuki roleblocks Conq -> success
BT NK's Dan -> success
Dan cops Shadoweh -> success: town
N4:
SB watches Conq -> failed
Conq marks PX -> successful
Mitsuki NK's Conq -> failed
N5:
Mitsuki rewinds herself -> success
BT NK's SB -> success
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Moonstone Movements
Mitsuki -> BT -> ActionDan -> Mitsuki -> Conq (with each twilight)
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Graveyard QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/rvnKGxnywJMwW)
Scum QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/pr7FmmfGSi5)
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Setup notes:
Scum, despite nabbing the power roles all the times they could and getting 3 mislynches, almost got broken in by Conq, who made town rather OP. Since he had to lynch Remillia he was a functional vanilla until then, which I overlooked. I thought Conq wouldn't have much luck getting the mark proc but man this game. Ended up having to remove him 'via win condition' to give scum a fighting chance (which they capitalized on).
Moonstone was not as cool as I wanted it to be, and was more of a scrappy mechanic than anything that made Conq even more OP. Too many hidden stuff made it confusing and wonky. Think it would be better if I made it far simpler (e.g no PM, known effect).
Dorian's Secret Identity PR was also a bit hm. Personally I think no-claim rules are viable and flavorful in theory, but the wording of it made him push his softclaim a bit further than I wanted him to. Would have been fun to see him neighbor Dormio, but sigh we can't have good things.
Similarity with the previous game is also a problem, as is the wrong win conditions (giving rawr a clear!) and the incomplete fakeclaims for scum (since they didn't have species). I apologize for these and hope you all had fun anyways. Me and Bard think that it's a rather town-sided setup, so props to scum for winning.
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Play Notes:
I was quite impressed by PX's play and motivation this game, and would have thought him Town MVP if not for his slip-up at the end and other factors.
I think Sky_Paladin has improved a lot too with regards to posting style and I commend him for it since it must have taken some strength of will. A glimmer of his old self appeared towards the end of D6 but I don't think he deserved the flak for it.
Liked Zakeri's roleplay towards the end of D1 and wanted him to stay on, sadly he came too late. Dorian was also amusing with his role and was really in-character, which was great; think he pushed his soft-claim a bit too far though, but that was in-character too. rawr was quite cool too, but for CF7 (a bit apathetic), O4rfish (too defensive), not so much.
Conq was an utterly terrifying persona behind a terrifying role and caused headaches. Dormio and SB played pretty well individually as well. Compared to last game the town PRs were really cool. ActionDan did claim commuter cop to Mitsuki through the moonstone however, which was a bit sad and unfortunate.
Scum played the distancing game rather well the first few days, but I think faltered on roles a bit too much towards the end (partially my fault), and BT's change in posting style was quite obvious. I wished they could have used the initial stone PM more creatively though, and that Mitsuki rewound N4 (though the rolespec behind it was valid), but overall they did a decent job.
All in all, I think this game was pretty alright, and far better than the disaster of the first game. So yeah, I think I can finally put this concept to rest, as can the Scarlets and stuff. Thanks to all for playing (and Bard for co-modding)!
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I may hahe overused this alreaday but one last time will do:
When will they shatter their chains of ignorance and the banes of their self-inflicted misery?
When will they stop being stupid~ crazy~ dumb jerks? But I guess there is no reasoning with madness or townnies for that matter*^^;
Seriously~ try to talk sense into some townnies and they will just stare at your post for maybe a couple of seconds with their empty, paranoid eyeballs and then look away*
And I'm like: ?I tolled you that Raikaria is scum!?
And they are like: ?Nyan?
And I'm like: ?Why do you think he's town??
And they are like: ?Nyan? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT0cKdWlngU&feature=youtu.be&t=16m)
So it is~ how it is and I know we had capable foes. But don't come crying to me about this~ cause I had to cut my own throat TO SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU FOOLS!
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CF7 attitude toward the end made me think he was scum and he wasnt trying. BT i thought was pretty obvious scum just from the posts he did and didnt make. Im not to experienced to have realized anything about the jailor claim possibly screwing over mituski but ill try to keep things like that in mind for the future maybe.
anyways sorry for not actually trying to play when i first replaced in, just thinking about reading 3 days of crap kinda made me regret so i decided to ignore all that and make fresh new opinions because of the recruitment.
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I was quite impressed by PX's play and motivation this game, and would have thought him Town MVP if not for his slip-up at the end and other factors.
YOLO
Unvote
Vote Sky Paladin
YOLO
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I should not have tried to play mafia while I had guests and no free time, so fangz alot 2 ma frend Mitsuki 4 wnhing dis gmae 4 us! I wasn't crumbing her being my partner, the original writer had a 'friend' who was helping them write and if there's anyone who would help me write terrible fanfiction.. ^_^/
Conqueror and I left the game together in matrimony. HAPPY END
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ive read the entirety of my immortal (regrettably), i just thought you picked her because she was your scumbuddy
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If you regret reading My Immortal then you didn't actually read it.
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Wait, it wasn't a crumb? :derp:
Sorry for being a slop. Couldn't find the motivation to scumpost. Gave myself the excuse that my past apathetic town games gave me enough meta leeway to get away with it but that isn't really true.
I thought I could convince Affinity to drop the pseudo-*YLO thing because it's mod knowledge blah blah but it wouldn't have mattered, there was no way to justify Mitsuki not dying. Maybe after PX claiming wondershot, eh.
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You guys read crumbs into everything I do. :<
BT is just trying to fix his meta so no one ever tries to recruit him again. I'm onto you!
(I don't regret reading it)
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Lol. I am not a vampire, but i suck. Not sure if pushing for Mitsuki's lynch would have actually changed anything, tho.
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Maybe after PX claiming wondershot, eh.
Yeah, that was a big YOLO claim by me. Didn't work out since Mitsuki was scum anyways, but the MyLo indicator on D7 might have :|
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I wasn't crumbing her being my partner, the original writer had a 'friend' who was helping them write and if there's anyone who would help me write terrible fanfiction.. ^_^/
Sadly this is accurate
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As you stand near the scaffolding, waiting eagerly for the lots to be drawn between the two candidates, you suddenly feel a heavy weight in your pocket. Taking it out, you find that someone has dropped you a luminous, indiscrient piece of rock, which you vaguely know to be the moonstone.
You're not sure how that name came to you, but in any case you don't know what it does. Attached is a little note, written by its previous holder:
"This is supposed to have good effects on town and bad effects on scum altough I'm not specified which ones, so give it to whoever you think is going to benefit from it as town or is going to see it an impediment as scum. Please make it last, don't give it to someone who is likely to die."
Well, this is quite the predicament! You feel compelled to hold onto it for now, but voices in your head tell you to pass the stone to someone else next twilight and continue the chain. Like the previous owner, you may attach a 100-word message to the next person.
Have a good night!
P.S If you can, PM me and Bard the details before the end of the next day phase.
The original moonstone PM and why I genuinely thought I could decline passing it if I wanted to. ("feel compelled to hold onto it for now") The message I sent Dan even reflects that:
"Hi, it's BT, Kasen Ibaraki, VT. My idea: Create a claim chain for townie PR use. You may have better ideas. ...Don't have anything else to say that isn't in the thread. Mod was consistent in making me want to pass this: Voices in my head tell me to pass it, weird visions plague me, etc.. Maybe it's timed (activates on day/night X), maybe if you hold on to it something happens but it might be something bad so just stick to the chain idea? That's ninety words yay."
Surprised the purple font had any significance besides flavor. Maybe I should have guessed third party.
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A lot of things were new to me as well, #band-aidmodding.
Can't believe Scum won though!
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I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO WIN ;____________;
But gg scum anyway.
Wrt Setup stuff: I don't think the setup was townsided, just kind of swingy. Town's PRs couldn't really come into play until N3 (barring Dorian) and by then scum already had 2 shots at them via the janvig and the recruit (which is already incredibly buff on its own.) I feel like scum should've just had a normal kill N1 instead of the janvig and just had the recruit be a factional thing instead of potentially having Shadoweh die to a D1 lynch and then scum essentially losing 2 members. I also don't feel like Raikaria needed the strongman kill either considering there was only the jailkeeper (so follow the cop wasn't exactly possible anyway) for it to counter but eh.
Conq's role was probably kind of op though, yeah.
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First I tought we'd win, then I thought we'd definitely lose, then I though we'd win, then I thought we'd definitely lose...
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We won?
We won!