You are the Barista
You are a simple and fun loving dog who opened a bar for people to take a break from the hard rhythms of life and relax with a nice, tasty beverage, warm or cool. You got to know everyone personally, and know each of the rhythms that they possess, which allows you to see the rhythm of life. This is why you were the first target on the Rhythm Mafia's list.
You are already dead, and As a result, you have no special powers.
You win when all threats to town have been removed.
/confirm
So apparently it's NIGHT 0.
Dun dun duuuuuuuuuuuuun.
no.. your other avi was cuter.I could say the same about you.
I am a day cop that can only target people who post "content", Dan is scum, looks like this game's in the bag boys...........Did you just dreamed that role and result or is it me who's dreaming you claim?
Dorian why is serious voting on policy so bad you'd rather jokevote, which is comparatively useless? What better option is there to voting Dan? Are Schezo and I questionable for pushing the policy?
basically what I'm trying to get at is: do you have a real problem with this policy, or are you just bringing it up for the sake of bringing it up, or whatWell, it could be scum trying to establish a votepark wagon or town putting pressure on Dan for the reason you gave, I could see it go both ways right now.
I'd actually be inclined to go with LLD over not going with LLD on this one.
But Raikaria is scum I bet.
Dorian, disagreeing with me isn't scummy but your posts have been very wishy-washy, like "why did you post this" wishy-washy. Was hoping your answers would be more transparent; as is though I'm leaning town with weak footing. Basically, work with me here.I'm sorry if I disappoint you but if you think that I can draw a clear conclusion out of your whimsical gambit right now, then you talk with the wrong one.^^;
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This player has not posted anything since Day 1 begun. Why do you say this?
I'm using that confirm post.
Maybe my comment toward LLD was harsh but everything I've said has been in a context that puts somebody on the spot for a response rather than browbeating them. Reads like you're voting on what's happened and the not intent behind it.
Prims, it seems like you're just voting Affinity because they are voting for you. Do you have something more to it?
why not question me on content instead?
cyberbullying is bad.
"Affinity is looking for something to vote rather than scum intent, because he is scum." this is what the implicationI am satisfied with this.
Dorian, disagreeing with me isn't scummy but your posts have been very wishy-washy, like "why did you post this" wishy-washy. Was hoping your answers would be more transparent; as is though I'm leaning town with weak footing.
Vote on Affinity masks empty unvote, why abandon policy proposal already?for one had done what I wanted it to (get people to talk about things), second that's hardly "masking an empty unvote" when I suspected Dan in the same post. I just felt stronger about the Affinity vote.
Prims is fishy for putting down serious vote asap, regurgitating a lot of words in RVS (trying for brownie points?)either of these might annoy you but they have nothing to do with my alignment, especially since the lots of words weren't empty, they were relevant to my attempts to get posts out of other people (so I could form reads)
Lynch Scum, not slackers (unless slackers are scummy).before my proposition there was exactly one (1) jokepost. what scum was I supposed to be lynching
no.. your other avi was cuter.http://i.imgur.com/jKhv1eS.gif (http://i.imgur.com/jKhv1eS.gif)
Also that whole case kind of bothers me. Dorian is scummy based on a confirmation vote?Describe what happened in the 20 minutes between this post and the one that came before it.
The so called fence sitting is non indicative of alignment at least at this stage of the game.
And overall it looks like Sky is just throwing shit around to see if it sticks.
Vote: PrimsWhy is it a shifty unvote and not a move onto more pressing things? Has anyone said it was Town-minded? Why is scum > slackers even relevant to an earlygame prod wagon?
Policy lynch or threat on Dan seems like legit reasoning for Scum to mislynch. Vote on Affinity masks empty unvote, why abandon policy proposal already? Suspect LLD may be on to something, Prims is fishy for putting down serious vote asap, regurgitating a lot of words in RVS (trying for brownie points?) and I disagree with his rhetoric on AD seeming Town-minded. Lynch Scum, not slackers (unless slackers are scummy).
Describe what happened in the 20 minutes between this post and the one that came before it.First i thought that he was scummy, then i just put it into words, why i thought so.
First i thought that he was scummy, then i just put it into words, why i thought so.I don't think that's what's being implied by your posts.
Vote Sky_Paladin
He looks like some sort of youkai. And they are evil. By default.
Also that whole case kind of bothers me. [...]I mean, first quote is just your average RVS vote. If you thought him scummy without putting it to words, it really doesn't show.
##Unvote:
##Vote: Raikaria
but Raikaria is scum though. He has nothing to say about the entire game posting so lets go back to rvs.
##Vote: huhwhatAlso find this interesting. No unvote between these. Is Affinity Doublevoting? Need to wait for a votecount for this.
##Vote: Prims
Logical stuff. Well, more tone than anything, but if reasons needed, then some of the questioning feels pretending. Like his conclusion on Dorian.
too finely shaded two pages in.
I mean, first quote is just your average RVS vote.It was a semi-serious vote.
If you thought him scummy without putting it to words, it really doesn't show.
C'mon, of course votes are gonna be weak at this stage but you have to commit to something anyway. Vote what bothers you the most.
it's a misrep to say you had nothing to commit to when you kept a jokevote until prompted. 10/10 would lynch for buzzword use.
You did have nothing of your own to say about the game at that point. "I don't agree with anything" is, well, really, what does it add? It's not a "misrep".
reluctance to policy lynch someone until later is a perfectly valid opinion.
pop psychology in B-grade mafia gamesHe's scum because his response to the crime wasn't "this is how it affects me" (the way a normal person reacts) but "those bastards/revenge" which is an RL criminal tell, so I thought, hey I bet it works in mafia too.
And they are evil. By default.Evil is just a point of view. From my point of view you are tasty.
Dorian is scummy based on a confirmation vote?He is scummy based on his confirmation post and his Danhandling.
Sky_Paladin bugs me because he seems to find me suspicious if his interaction with Affinity is any indication, but ignores me entirely and doesn't even take issue with me giving a pass to his primary scumread.
Though I'd like to ask to what extent did you "figure [Dorian] was scum during the confirmation phase".As soon as I read it I felt something was off. I thought about it while I was at work to try and figure out why it was off.
First i thought that he was scummy, then i just put it into words, why i thought so.Your reason is because I have a Cirno avatar. I know Cirno broke our game but this is a different game now, so you have to let old grudges go.
Tell me, what exactly is it that you find scummy about CF7? Cause I really don't see it.I assume it's because he (CF7) attempted to pass off a RVS vote as serious and then when challenged ...I don't know what he did. It's worth voting for.
CF7, Evil is just a point of view. From my point of view you are tasty.
He is scummy based on his confirmation postI posted *Bang* as my confirmation post, does that make me scummy? [sarcasm]Because, you know, that's totally reasonable[/sarcasm]
CF7, your reason is because I have a Cirno avatar. I know Cirno broke our game but this is a different game now, so you have to let old grudges go.It has nothing to do with your avatar being Cirno. It's just, that your case is kind of baseless at best.
He's also ignoring my interpretation that Schezo meant "nothing YOU have to say" as in original content or any problems with the votes you decided weren't good enough.Saying the majority of the cases around so far were weak because of being somewhat speculative? Besides; I took him saying I had 'nothing' to say as no opinions at all. Not 'nothing to ADD'. There's a difference.
I did not ignore you. I simply explained what I saw Schezo as saying as a response.
Hm... Reread the thread.
A bit concerned about content of Lexicat's post. Or lack of thereof.
Vote on Prims. Encouraging other people to vote Prims. And more or less that's it. I'll wait for more posts, but so far this is quite bad, imo. Vote stays on Sky for the moment.
Huhwhat = Prims?
for one had done what I wanted it to (get people to talk about things), second that's hardly "masking an empty unvote" when I suspected Dan in the same post. I just felt stronger about the Affinity vote.
either of these might annoy you but they have nothing to do with my alignment, especially since the lots of words weren't empty, they were relevant to my attempts to get posts out of other people (so I could form reads)
before my proposition there was exactly one (1) jokepost. what scum was I supposed to be lynching
Not fond of Bard as he's taking things too face-value, and intentionally not reading between the lines makes it easier to fake a case. Also stating something that by itself is not inherently scummy then tacking on the brownie points part in parenthesis looks like padding his post.
actually wtf bard don't seriously try to push "Prims is suspect for putting down a serious vote ASAP" when your "thing" used to be trying to end RVS immediately. This is easily the most constructed thing I've seen this game, it's already bad for the point to not be alignment-indicative but here you should actively know it isn't.
CF7, this post (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17327.msg1125459.html#msg1125459) implies you think LLD is scummy. Why do you think Sky Paladin is scummier than LLD? You voted him over "baseless case", but I don't see what distinguishes his case from LLD's.The difference is the timing and the "seriousness" in their votes. LLD so far is just sitting on his RVS vote and haven't posted since then. And Sky presented his case as more of a case, than just RVS vote. So that's why i said that i'd wait for more posts from LLD.
Not quite sure how Sky gets the idea CF7 is voting him because he has a Cirno avatar. Maybe attempting to discern Sky from his drunkposting isn't the world's best idea but that particular bit made me go 'huhwhat' for a second.This is a really insignificant thing to address out of all of CF7 vs Sky. (The avatar references were probably all jokes, for the record.)
Not quite sure how Sky gets the idea CF7 is voting him because he has a Cirno avatar.
Scum team Affinity/CF7/Dorian. You heard it here first, folks.:colbert: Keep up with the nonsensical scumteam guesses and you'll lose my favor.
Raikaria
CF7 voted me because I have a Cirno avatar (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17327.msg1125356.html#msg1125356).
So that's why. Glad I could help.
I hate Raikaria's "inb4 OMGUS" in equal measure to how much I hated Serela doing the same in another game. Why spend time pointing out how your vote may look OMGUS-y instead of quantifying why it isn't first and foremost? I don't like how BT had to press Raikaria into voting seriously.
Apparently I'm the only one with the ability to post in the night phase.You were told explicitly that you're the only one with this ability?
just to be sure really quick:You were told explicitly that you're the only one with this ability?I read over it a few times but it was pretty clear. The text was bold and everything.
If you can't agree with anything why not make up your reasons for voting ppl. For instance do you feel that ppl putting out thin reasons are scummy or town?Yeah I don't want to "make up reasons". I prefer to be truthful about things.
At the start of the game Prims wanted to policy lynch ActionDan right? In which case, isn't it almost impossible that the both of them are MAFIA?
Sky's drunk babblng I was just cut by gave me scum vibes like where he responded to Prims and Affinity, but I'm pretty sure "I thought about it at work" is Town.actually I'd like an explanation for the scum vibes here and why him thinking about it at work can't be faked cuz both of these statements seem pretty arbitrary to me
actually I'd like an explanation for the scum vibes here and why him thinking about it at work can't be faked cuz both of these statements seem pretty arbitrary to meshit forgot
Raikaria's also a person who failed to bring content to the table despite "thinking" about it which I think is telling because IDK what kind of time troubles Dan is having. If Dan has no time trouble and it's bullshit then he's scum too. They're all scum.
@Moridin: Can you tell me why you felt the need to claim? I don't think there was enough pressure on you to justify is, so what was it that you tried to accomplish with it?
Bard is scummy because he ignores context of my posts for the sake of voting me - in actual reality mafia world my call for a policy lynch on Dan was not being followed up with, and "this is a legit reason for scum to mislynch somebody!" is a ridiculous accusation because for fuck's sake I never even said we should turbolynch Dan, just that we should heap pressure on him all game.
Promising future content is cheep talk.
People without their votes on Prims should reconsider their life choices. People with their votes on Prims are awesome cats who deserve head-scratches.
You want a case? You're scum. There you go, case compiled.
Not satisfied? I'm not really bothered. If you wanna vote me, you should just do it instead of threatening to do it.
Yeah I've seen nothing to convince me that I should be voting anyone but Prims right now.
On the other hand, I did see something I want to follow up on, but I wanna see how it evolves first.
if schezo was a true townie he would have made his avatar this http://i.imgur.com/QdecOIh.pngthat's next week. after the puyo tetris ones though. Those are so great.
The witch of certainty is LadyLambdadelta or LLD or LSDas for actually playing that's for tomorrow morning cause I'm too impaired to actually give you a thing right now.
Timezones man. Timezones. Was getting late when I said I was mulling it over. Now I'm awake again.No no, I was talking about the timeframe you were active in yesterday which ended in the "CF7/Sky mulling over" post. Your posts were full of insignificant / weak points and you had the time to "mull over" CF7/Sky or find something more serious than the minor jab with Schezo but you didn't. It took you a few hours to say you had to mull over things after saying more or less nothing solid.
##Vote: huhwhat
##Vote: Prims
Also find this interesting. No unvote between these. Is Affinity Doublevoting? Need to wait for a votecount for this.This
Speaking of; where is huhwhat.
Huhwhat = Prims?
I forgot this somehow.This
RE: SLAM DUNK: I see one explanation for that but I'm obviously not gonna say.I do too and I do too.
I think there should be a wagon on Raikaria anyway so that's fine.
CF7 my reason for voting Bard there was the agreement at the top of the page, which I mentioned in the post right after the one you're referring to. Still "scummy levels of strange"?Oh. Now i see it. Okay. I was directly looking at posts with votes when i was doing my wagons analysis.
And I'm not liking people sheeping onto the wagon because of a 'case' that isn't even a 'case'. It's just me getting nicknames mixed up. And I do this sort of thing often. Last game I kept getting Bard and Zakeri mixed up. So saying I'm scum because I got a nickname mixed with a username is just a little bit silly.why say "people" when it's just schezo
that's fair but generally "doublevote" means two votes on the same person, hence why I thought you knew huhwhat = Prims at the time
Affinity voting me for the 'Slam Dunk'for FUCK'S SAKE
And seriously? You don't know what kind of meta I'm talking about? The same meta I use EVERY SINGLE GAME and harp on about EVERY SINGLE DAY 1. Heck; Schezo mentioned it previously. Town fight among each other D1; scum lurk it out; and town lynch the townie who slipped up.
for FUCK'S SAKE
Then go on and tell me how he hasn't improved. I got a decent read out of his overnight posts.
And my Raikaria vote isn't even a prod, just lynch him already. Promising future content is cheep talk.
As for why I don't really care about dan is because I saw dorian say that votes on him are useless if he doesn't talk day 1 anyways and people won't lynch a lurker day 1 (which is true)
but I like you better after your responses to me so let's just wait for all that promised contentTM from like half of the players. (moridin raikaria cf7 LLD)
@Moridin: Can you tell me why you felt the need to claim? I don't think there was enough pressure on you to justify is, so what was it that you tried to accomplish with it?Mainly I was just exasperated at being given such a pointless role. I also thought I'd bring it up just in case there is some value to it that I missed.
Nope, scum can feign wanting to vote their buddies, even to the point of lynch. It's called bussing, and while I agree that it's unlikely for D1 it's not near impossible. (even more so since policy lynches are really rare).Well yes, I'm aware that MAFIA players could fake vote their buddies, but I don't think it makes sense for Prims to draw attention to ActionDan there. And he's still pushing that lynch.
Answer my question; you think the cases presented so far are thin, but are they scummy or anything to you?Short Answer:
Locking eyes with someone and generally waving off others as 'shades of red' is something I remember as particularly scummy, it gives their voteparks some depth and allows them to wait and see.Every game I say everyone's red/Scum/green-coloured Scum. I don't see why it's more scummy of me this game than any other game?
I don't like anyone who used 'Fence Sitting' as an actual case. Because it's stupid and smells of just making up any reason to lynch people. I'm looking at Sky_Paladin and Bard here. People using confirmation posts as reasons people are scum is also bad especially when they do not explain how that post is scummy [Actiondan and Sky]Aside from how Raikaria could have brought this all up while he was "mulling over it" the day before, the vote is pretty shallow. It's a detached comment on suddenly "disliking arguments X, Y, Z" (again, why didn't this show up yesterday?) and how Sky overreacted.
CF7's reason for voting Sky_Paladin isn't in CF7's vote post. It's the post after it. [#58] Yet Sky gets the impression he is being voted because of his avatar? Honestly; if CF7 was voting people for having a youkai avatar I'd have a noose around my neck already because my avatar is a youkai youkai and not a fairy.
Although; on the other hand; apparently it took 20 minutes for CF7 to post three lines about why he was actually voting Sky. So... IDK.
Sky also seems to severely over-react to CF7's vote on him [See: The wall he made, although it was a drunkpost]. But this is somewhat regular for Sky. I don't like the 'Prims ended RVS early he's bad' thing either.
Also I'm not voting Sky because I want to see what he does in the future. While his cases have been bad and he over-reacted IMO to CF7's vote on him, I do think it could be town intent, if somewhat misguided. While I think Sky is bad atm I think there could be town intent. I don't see that in Lexicat's posts really.Tell me more about Sky's town misguided town intent and how it gels with his "overreactions". And how you don't see it in LLD's posts.
I agree re: BT's vote on me being weird chiefly because the reason for voting me is buried in all his other observations and reads, such that it seems an after-thought that he has reason to actually vote me. Feels more like a throw-away vote because he could than a genuine one, simply because his attention is so much more on other people and his only reason is "I agree with Huh What". Unlike BT, I don't remember every Mafia game. Remembering the last game is already unpleasant. "I don't buy his case" is, um, if everyone who's made a case I disagree with is scummy then I'm pretty sure we don't have enough lynches.By the way: not "buying it" refers to not believing it's legit, as in, thinking it's fake. My vote on you wasn't orthodox but I think I did make it as clear as possible, so this seems funny. Do you draw any conclusions from this or are you just pointing out my weird vote?
I didn't expect you to ignore my case and vote for some other guy though. Ill have to srot this mess out when I havel ess alcohol.Here, didn't you see it as a town-y think Dorian did? Also Dorian isn't getting lynched today so get on a wagon before you disappear.
As per Bard's recommendation I checked last game's D1 and Raikaria is a lot more direct, has solid, clear opinions and easily reacts to the thread and finds things to talk about. Question: you got made fun of for being fooled by scum last game. Was your response to be less eager as Town for the next game?
"I'm a little salty that Affinity unvoted from what may have been a double-vote just before the votecount came along." (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17327.msg1125542.html#msg1125542) This line makes Raikaria's fascination with Affinity's doublevote look fake. Why are you mad that we couldn't confirm Affinity's theoretical doublevote? Why would Affinity show off the doublevote in the first place, then unvote? Raikaria doesn't really question Affinity on this doublevote stuff and doesn't press him when he doesn't; it's just there as townie-looking filler.
Tell me more about Sky's town misguided town intent and how it gels with his "overreactions". And how you don't see it in LLD's posts.
I still believe "I don't particularly like Schezo's content and such still" is Raikaria slipping up in an attempt at holding a Schezo suspicion for later use. Raikaria rectifies: "my dislike for Schezo was 'weak' but he hasn't improved on it" (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17327.msg1125701.html#msg1125701). C'mon man, the only reason you parked on Schezo for 24 hours was because I nagged you to. In the first place I think it was dumb that you had to assert that Schezo is misrepping you for rightfully calling you out for disengaging with the post-RVS stuff. Who cares what noncommital things you said about the wagons as a whole? The intent was clear.
But no, Raikaria still doesn't like Schezo's content. It's so general and easy. Raikaria explains his dissatisfaction with Schezo later (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17327.msg1125732.html#msg1125732) and it's just a comment on what Schezo's been saying on him. It's a double standard only if you're a lurker too. Except you've been around, commenting on things without reaching conclusions and later saying you were "busy". That's more on the "active lurker" side.
...Yes, you followed a proposal that you recognized as serious, so that was indeed what I was thinking. And it's needless to say that you hand waving it away as RVS is the last thing I want to hear. I mean what should I think now about your recent Dan vote? Was that another ?LOL, lets go with it!??
Dorian you think I made a serious vote 1 page into the game. The Raikaria vote has something even if it's "easy" to make. I had no reason to keep an rvs vote, u srs?
And my Raikaria vote isn't even a prod, just lynch him already. Promising future content is cheep talk.
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one last thing, everybody being willing to lynch Dan isn't really reason to be cautious about the wagon here @affinity because seriously, how are scum going to justify saving him right now?I may not Affinity but that's relevant for me too. I assume that scum's able to ?saving him? the same way anyone else could, by pointing out the fact that Dan not caring about the game doesn't means he's scum.
Just saying that I prefer the Raikaria lynch or even the LLD lynch much more than the Dan lynch.
I'm actually quite torn on Raikaria. While I don't buy everything in the case against him, I have to agree that his D2 hireachy of scum suspects: Schezo < Paladin < LLD, feels weird and arbitrary. As BT says in his red/blue post, Raikaria's opinion on Sky_Paladin is actually multi-faceted, which is fine. But then, since he can see the town side of Sky, why does he place him before Schezo, who he was chasing the whole of D1 and whom he had only bad things to say?
I can forgive his ignorance of other issues on day one such as the Bard/huhwhat fight and stuff, since other people think so too, but yeah, his hanging out with the small fishies doesn't bring anything redeeming.
I'll get to Raikaria's defense but it hasn't wowed me. It counters specific points with explanations that don't really satisfy. Like, I still prefer my take on things.
It's not townie-looking filler. I thought Affinity was voting two different people. I was waiting for the votecount for that to be confirmed or denied. That sort of role is non-indicative of town or scum, but it's still something useful to know.Eh, I believe you that you thought Affinity had something but you didn't actually go anywhere with it. Why didn't you press Affinity if you cared? The "aww, he unvoted" thing rubbed me the wrong way because it's like, "yeah, so?"
Of course I'm a moron who thought Affinity was voting for two different people, not Prims in two different ways.
Sky's has misguided town intent because he is at least attempting to form cases and look for scum. It's not great and I don't like his Dorian case one bit but he could he a townie just making bad cases. Sky does this quite a lot. He also tends to over-react to votes. Lexicat is basically doing nothing at all. He even outright says 'I don't have anything.'You can use this defense on anyone who's attempting to play the game. LLD's easier for you to push (or Sky harder) at this juncture because she isn't playing. This "town mindset" thing sounds like you aren't actually looking at Sky's effort, just stating that the effort is there.
I have already explained why I do not like Schezo's posts. I have nothing else to say on the matter. You're free to think whatever you think about my read on Schezo. I do not think highly of his content so far and he has yet to do anything which in my eyes makes he recover from his somewhat bad first impression he gave me this game. I'm allowed to say I have a minor scumread on someone but a stronger one on other people. I probobly will not be swapping back to Schezo unless he does something really bad or both Sky and Lexicat impress me, while no-one else slips up.I'm not attacking you for naming a weak scumread, I'm attacking you for what looks like a fake weak scumread. Bleh, this admittedly isn't that strong. I don't like this defense though, you're saying I'm slamming you for naming the read when that's obviously not the case.
I mean, here you're basically hammering me for sharing my scumreads? It's a weak scumread but people want reads so I'm giving reads. It feels like you're giving me a catch-22 situation here.
And you know when I am evaluating cases I tend to say things on both sides of arguments. I consider the whole argument, I do not just look at one side. Hence the blue and red stuff you highlighted.There's a different between balancing your opinion and offsetting each of your points with "yeah, but", which I find is a common scum move, it gives you wriggle room and stuff and you come off as someone who's unsure of anything.
@Moridin: I was wondering, cause it seems that you just claimed to have something to say. Sure, I could see you getting frustrated about it but there is still the point that you were also worried about getting counter claimed. So tell me, why did you think that scum would counter claim a role you see as pointless to begin with that's also easy to prove to top it?I wasn't seriously worried about being counter claimed. I just noticed an explicit statement in my role PM stating I was the only one with this ability, so I just included it in.
Secondly, it is interesting to consider that Sky_Paladin, CF7, miordin and Bardiche have all voted for ActionDan without considering Lexicat, who boasts a similar amount of content. Why is this so? Why Dan over LLD? Only huhwhat has provided a reason, and it's based on arcane meta-tells that no one else understands. I know Lexicat has had the reputation of being unpleasant when voted, but three of the people on the wagon can't know that well. I don't think the wagon has been well-thought out.I actually did vote for Lexicat originally. I switched to Action because of the "strategy" I talked about before. Admittedly, if ActionDan wasn't so inactive, I might not be as willing to lynch him.
I actually did vote for Lexicat originally. I switched to Action because of the "strategy" I talked about before. Admittedly, if ActionDan wasn't so inactive, I might not be as willing to lynch him
So if ActionDan comes up MAFIA, I'd be inclined to think that Prims is TOWN and that Affinity and/or BT are MAFIA.
Hmm, you say you thought about Sky and Schezo overnight, but you didn't really scumread Sky until this morning. What's up?
I'm also not the biggest fan of "dude, the lurkers" because, yes, there are lurkers, but come on. If you want to start talking about content levels, I think Bard was more active last game. And Schezo was probably less active. And you were more active.
Hmm, you say you thought about Sky and Schezo overnight, but you didn't really scumread Sky until this morning. What's up?
I wasn't seriously worried about being counter claimed. I just noticed an explicit statement in my role PM stating I was the only one with this ability, so I just included it in.No it's useful. You have the thread to yourself for the night. Use it to post your thoughts when you're traversing the thread and force everyone to get a read on you / listen to what you say.
So is my role useful then? It seems pointless to me and no one has really said otherwise.
...OK, what does detached even mean in that context?
Dorian's latest post feels slimy, probably because of the way he furthers his reads. It's just... detached, disagreeable, a little overblown/sensational, more in line with what I remember from Scum Dorian in that one game with the Serela/Affinity/Dorian scumteam.
Actually I thought of something and wanted to post it before I went to sleep.
At the start of the game Prims wanted to policy lynch ActionDan right? In which case, isn't it almost impossible that the both of them are MAFIA? That means, if we lynch ActionDan and he turns up MAFIA, Prims would be practically confirmed TOWN.
The downside here is that we learn nothing at all if he is TOWN.
This can technically be applied to any "arguing couples" but it is much, much weaker.
##vote ActionDan
See you in 10-12 hours.
lmao 2/2/2/2 wagons (also Schezo only has 1 vote barring mayor!Dorian)
I'll go Dan > Raikaria > Bard, Dan first because he's inactive AND scummy and Raikaria over Bard mostly because Bard will be less of a headache to read later compared to the other two. Utility lynching in 2014 but what are you gonna do about it.
More realistically though, I leave my vote on Dan before going to bed late at night so you guys are railroaded into consolidating onto my scumread when I sleep past deadline (fuck alarms).
So... I'd lynch Dan, as sort counter measure to his D1 lethargy.
##Unvote
##Vote ActionDan for now.
Maybe it will energize him enough to actually post something.
Mainly I was just exasperated at being given such a pointless role. I also thought I'd bring it up just in case there is some value to it that I missed.
I don't see any reason to hide a role like this anyway.
Well yes, I'm aware that MAFIA players could fake vote their buddies, but I don't think it makes sense for Prims to draw attention to ActionDan there. And he's still pushing that lynch.
So I think that lynching ActionDan is a reasonable strategy. On top of trying to pressure him to be useful.
Or least I don't have a better on right now.
Short Answer:
Not really.
Long Answer:
The problem I have is that TOWN players here will often "make up reasons" to vote for people in order to generate noise and smoke out MAFIA. MAFIA players will also "make up reasons" to lynch people, though it their case it's generally to cause confusion and redirect lynches onto TOWN players.
I find it hard to tell the difference between TOWN players "making up reasons" and MAFIA players "making up reasons". Weird right?
It should be easier as the game goes on because you can gather information on who voted for who and also notice "patterns of behaviour".
I wasn't seriously worried about being counter claimed. I just noticed an explicit statement in my role PM stating I was the only one with this ability, so I just included it in.
So is my role useful then? It seems pointless to me and no one has really said otherwise.
I actually did vote for Lexicat originally. I switched to Action because of the "strategy" I talked about before. Admittedly, if ActionDan wasn't so inactive, I might not be as willing to lynch him.
So anyway.
The two main people against this ActionDan lynch are Affinity and BT.
They both claim that they aren't against a ActionDan lynch, that they just think Raikaria is a better target. However, it is possible that it is just an excuse and that in reality they want to redirect the ActionDan lynch onto someone else and Raikaria seems the next best thing.
So if ActionDan comes up MAFIA, I'd be inclined to think that Prims is TOWN and that Affinity and/or BT are MAFIA.
EBWOP: thing, not think
Dan was online an hour ago. This is pretty dumb.
and if raikaria flips scum the converse is true and everyone else is scummy!Haha. No. I'm just saying it would make you very suspicious in my eyes.
woah mafia is so easy!
what do YOU think of the raikaria case, moridin?
Also, I think that I said in my last post that I'm currently against a Dan lynch too, does it makes me scum as likely as Affinity and BT if Dan flips scum?Actually, re-reading Affinity's posts, he's not actually gone against Raikaria that forcefully. It's mostly BT.
That's totally you sheeping me amirite?
Dan doesn't look like he's scum. Dan why are you sure Moridin is MAFIA and not TOWN and why do you think Bard is Town? I read those posts too.
For the record it would have been better to not leave us guessing if you're planning to play the game at all. And I totally saw you online 6 hours ago.
Actually I can guess Schezo's town.What makes you think so?
Also.Thoughts on this?
Maybe I shouldn't role claim at this point but apparently my "role" is to "be able to talk during the night phase". It seems a pretty pointless role, I'm thinking I must have rolled vanilla TOWN and the mod decided it would be funny to give me the ability to post more, considering how little I posted in the last game. Apparently I'm the only one with the ability to post in the night phase. So if anyone else claims it we should lynch him, for being a poser.
If anyone doubts my claim (lol) then be sure to remind me to post during the night just before this phase ends. Otherwise, it's possible I will have gotten over my indignation and forgotten all about it by then.
@Dorian: IntuitionIs that so? Is that really all you can say to prove me wrong? Throw me at least a bone if you want me to pick up the fight for you.
@BT: Null
Is that so? Is that really all you can say to prove me wrong? Throw me at least a bone if you want me to pick up the fight for you.
Also deadline being at like 1am my local time means I won't be around if I hold off.??? Don't know if he's coming back, should have made him claim.
##Vote Schezo
I can't help it but you agreed with HuhWhat a bit too eagerly for my liking and your Raikaria vote isn't impressive either. So what's your reason to exchange your prod vote on Dan for one one Raikaria?
I mean, are you really satisfied with Dans ?content? or was that agreement just lip service?
correction. I guess I do need Dorian's love here.That's too late now, tell me what made Schezo town in your eyes or else ...
it's slightly awks when Mr. Dorian has a scum read that I think is town.
hmm. I change my mind, Schezo is the scum of the earth!
That's too late now, tell me what made Schezo town in your eyes or else ...
Also I don't really think Raikaria is scum here. TBH.I have the occasional fear that these are all town wagons but I keep telling myself to ignore it. Just. It's like I've done this D1 case on Raikaria at least twice before, and every time it seems THIS TIME Raikaria is scum. It's horrible.
I have the occasional fear that these are all town wagons but I keep telling myself to ignore it. Just. It's like I've done this D1 case on Raikaria at least twice before, and every time it seems THIS TIME Raikaria is scum. It's horrible.
TIME TO SHAMELESSLY CATER.I'm going with my memory for now. He was focused on Raikaria, aside from is supposed RVS vote, for being late and non participating, on it's own not a point against him but why did he go with a serious wagon without a serious reason?
starting with looking at what schezo did up to this point and for the sake of time issues not look past this point
If you hammer Dan, I'm putting a bullet between your eyes tonight. How about that for an incentive?That's the Lucy I missed all the time. ~ <3 I'll just try to get things out of him, so don't worry.
Rakaria's recent posts sound like someone who is caught for the wrong reasons. He's not upset that I'm voting him but rather that I'm voting him with "no basis".
This is all anyone should need to confirm a vote on this wagon, especially over someone like Dan who is towntelling like mad.
I'm going with my memory for now. He was focused on Raikaria, aside from is supposed RVS vote, for being late and non participating, on it's own not a point against him but why did he go with a serious wagon without a serious reason?
I'm glad I stuck around long enough to see this reponse.
Lexicat; you have done nothing all game long of town worth. You hop on my wagon at the end of the day without so much as acknowledging any reasons.
You know who often hops on wagons?
Scum.
You know who lurks hard during Day 1?
Scum.
I'm not even upset you're voting me. I'm actually trying to get things done and I'm a townie wagon. I fully expected you to hop onto my wagon. You're obviously scum from your complete lack of ANYTHING all day and then this.
By the way; what was that thing you promised to tell us about that you were waiting for that you mentioned last time you reared your head? Or was it just fake promised content to make it look like you were even trying?
Yeah this "make the right choice" rhetoric when Raikaria acknowledged he doesn't exactly like the Dan wagon anyway is helping me regain my confidence.
I don't really know what Dorian is saying regarding Schezo.
I see where BT/LLD are coming from on Raikaria but remember feeling very confident on a Raikaria lynch for similar reasons but then it turned out he can't help but sound sleazy as town.
I don't think scum!Raikaria would claim VT right now unless told to, I could see Dan claiming VT though if he thought he could towntell enough to move the wagon off him, although I don't really think he sounds like scum.
blehhhhhh
I see where BT/LLD are coming from on Raikaria but remember feeling very confident on a Raikaria lynch for similar reasons but then it turned out he can't help but sound sleazy as town.Like I said, my record for mislynching Raikaria as Town is, like, perfect. I think the one time I lynched Scum Raikaria in one of my Town games was when I wasn't the one leading the wagon.
Rakaria's recent posts sound like someone who is caught for the wrong reasons. He's not upset that I'm voting him but rather that I'm voting him with "no basis".BTW I can confirm that town also get mad when you vote them for no reason and I hope you never use this logic ever again.
BTW I can confirm that town also get mad when you vote them for no reason and I hope you never use this logic ever again.
BT cut: give specific quotes/examples?
...BIG NEW, you did got my cases in the last three games, so what's your point?
I don't really know what Dorian is saying regarding Schezo.
BT cut: give specific quotes/examples?For first 24 hours see this post. (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17327.msg1125747.html#msg1125747) "Raikaria's first 24 hours were spent disassociating with post-RVS stuff, reluctantly committing to a vote and reaching no new conclusions while the rest of the thread trucked onwards." Still feel this is important.
BIG NEW, you did got my cases in the last three games, so what's your point?
Honestly, this is a Pest or Collera decision, so Dan, you got one hour to summarize who you think is scum and why.
BIG NEW, you did got my cases in the last three games, so what's your point?I didn't get this part:
I'm going with my memory for now. He was focused on Raikaria, aside from is supposed RVS vote, for being late and non participating, on it's own not a point against him but why did he go with a serious wagon without a serious reason?
BTW I can confirm that I have been playing this game for much longer than you have and have a much larger sample size to pick from.neither of these things are true as far as I'm aware, but regardless, start playing like it and I will stop making jabs at you.
neither of these things are true as far as I'm aware, but regardless, start playing like it and I will stop making jabs at you.
I'm not seeing Raikaria's defense as a scum guilt trip in particular. tbh I am shit at reading Raikaria (or maybe Raikaria is just shit at being read), I am going to be super lame and re-read him this game and contrast with past town/scum games from him.
##Unvote, I don't want Dorian to hammer while I'm reading.
I still can hammer if needed.Wait... doesn't this imply that Dorion knows that Raikeria was going to turn up MAFIA?
I may not be actually fond of HW letting Dan go at the point where he had to say stuff about the game, which was his reason to push Dan all day. []Nor Raikaria turning out scum[/b] which strongly implicates that I'm wrong about Schezo.
Wait... doesn't this imply that Dorion knows that Raikeria was going to turn up MAFIA?No, it doesn't. It just implies that I agreed enough with BTs case to assume scum Raikaria. And on a side note, scum Dorian would have been to busy laughing about the inevitable No-Lynch to post anything.
BT had the special ability to Link two people of his choosing once, linking their fates for the rest of the game.Wait, is it just me or does that sound like a matchmaker?
So yeah I'm kind suspicious of Dorion because of this possible "scumslip" above and because he's acting much differently this game compared to the last. Which has a tell in Raikaria's case.
As for the other players:
Just - There seems to be a case against him due to some meta? This is what caught Raikaria so I'm not going to dismiss it.
Lexicat - A jackass? Other then I haven't got anything conclusive on him. He hasn't posted much
CF7 / Sky - In the same boat. They argued with each other but I haven't see anything conclusive to go on, for or against
Schezo - He doesn't seem to be acting very seriously at the moment. That might be just his meta, I dunno
So basically...
Level 5 (most likely to be MAFIA)
- Primms
- Dorion
Level 4
- Schezo
- Just
Level 3
- ActionDan
- CF7
- Sky Paladin
Level 2
- Lexicat
Level 1 (least likely to be MAFIA)
- BT
- Affinity
Still, ActionDan is probably going to keep popping up as a lynch target, isn't he? Statistically speaking, he's got as much chance of being MAFIA as anyone else, but because he doesn't post much or seriously, you can't really place him in one side or the other
points against me are dumb because moridin has no reason to believe scum sacced raikaria instead of D1. dorian and i both had the perfect opportunity to just stonewall and get dan lynched and the end of d1 is not a situation where scum wants to bus, as scum i wouldn't have needed the cred since the people who wanted me dead throughout D1 were either lurkers and not convincing anybody or Bard, who was lynchable. scum!me only makes sense if you think the scumteam is hw/dan/raikaria, in which case, lolWell. Scum had to sack Raikaria cause he got himself voted by everybody. You can't stonewall as 1 or 2 people when the rest of the players make it dan v rai. So when Dan started talking and the day turned into Raikaria lynch or no lynch, the vocal scum (hw) had to switch over for lynch consolidation or get lambasted for letting a nl go through when they were so close to deadline.
still don't get why Dan loves schezo so much other than catboys which is a reasonable argument but still.jk hw's the best
since Moridin has not read invasion I can confirm to BT that he is not the guy who archived binged every motk game.What?
Moridin, why did you stick to voting Dan if Raikaria was suspicious to you? (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17327.msg1125892.html#msg1125892) in fact why even wait until D2 to lynch Raikaria anyway if he was scum? What?? ?????????Lynching ActionDan day 1 and (maybe) Raikaria day 2 seemed like a good strategy. It's not like I was sure that Raikaria was MAFIA, I was willing to hear him out.
IMO Moridin went from hating Dorian at night to hating me at dawn. I want to know why.What are you talking about, I put Dorion on level 5 and you on level 3. And this is my first post since then.
Kind of bothered CF7 and Bard just dropped off the face of the day so quick. The votes fall apart the instant Dan shows up and starts posting, which they're not here for.Timezones. Healthy sleep. Also it feel kind of weird to say this to the dead person...
between the current wagons I'd still lynch Dan over Raikaria because I don't want to have to deal with him misreading me for stupid reasons on future days.Even at the end of the day he still pushed for Dan's lynch.
##Vote: RaikariaIt felt unnatural. Basically he was pushing for Dan whole day, and then, simply went to lynch Raikaria. Looks like scum bussing his buddy to get some town cred.
I lied about the re-reading thing.
I'm gonna put my faith in BT here; decided I don't like my company on the Dan wagon at all (lol Bard).
The annoying thing is that this means Dan lives past D1.
Inconvenient VotecountThat was the vote situation as Sky voiced his preference for an Raikaria lynch.
Just: (2) BT, Affinity
Raikaria: (3) ActionDan, Prims, Schezo
Prims: (2) Lexicat, Just
Schezo: (1) Dorian
ActionDan: (1) Moridin84
Dorian Mizuhashi: (1) Sky_Paladin
Sky_Paladin: (1) CF7
Lexicat: (1) Raikaria
Convenient VotecountAnd that was the situation as Sky started to cry about Dan being frustrating, which leads to Raikaria decay only to a side note. And then you solidified it into this:
Just: (1) Affinity
Raikaria: (3) ActionDan, Schezo, BT
Prims: (1) Lexicat
Schezo: (1) Dorian
ActionDan: (4) Moridin84, CF7, Prims, Just
Dorian Mizuhashi: (1) Sky_Paladin
Lexicat: (1) Raikaria
Sweet VotecountCause you conveniently forgot that Raikaria was you preferred pick for the days lynch just a few hours ago? So you put his counter wagon, that was already leading, further ahead?
Just: (1) Affinity
Raikaria: (3) ActionDan, Schezo, BT
Prims: (1) Lexicat
Schezo: (1) Dorian
ActionDan: (5) Moridin84, CF7, Prims, Just, Sky_Paladin
Lexicat: (1) Raikaria
The two people voting for huhwhat now are kinda horrible; they aren't even considering anyone else!I am just don't have much time at the moment and that was the things that picked my attention the most. I am even thinking about asking for a sub.
I am just don't have much time at the moment and that was the things that picked my attention the most. I am even thinking about asking for a sub.Also sleepy.
Mirodin you put Dorian at level 5 but why do you have to wait for someone else to make a case to vote? Why not uuhwhat instead? (Who you also put at 5)I put Dorion at level 5 in a post before the start of day 2, so I couldn't vote at that point. Next time I posted it was in the morning but I didn't have time to do more than a quick post, I didn't want to make a vote yet. Sky made his post against Dorion roughly 5 hours after that. I started reading through the thread properly and posted my opinion about 5 hours after that.
Everyone else gave up their pat cases to go for Raikaria or Dan but only Sky gave it up to say that he goes with Raikaria but then went with Dan. That really don't strikes you as odd, does it?
if you change scum levels of people so easily (without firm logical basis) then they simply don't mean anything. you might as well be some kid having fun with an abacus.
please justify some of them. man im kinda exasperated and stuff.Well to be honest, these are just internal impressions, based on the things I have already stated in the thread. I didn't really expect anyone to put much thought into parsing them.
Sky can you please talk to Dorian he asked you something here.I planned to get around to this when I finished reviewing day 1 but OK.
His next post is mostly a list of reasons why he wants to lynch Dan,
BT - I expected Dorian to respond to my case. The confirm post is one part. The Dan policy lynch fence sitting was another part. Dorian chose to hand wave it away as nonsensical. I didn't have an opportunity to follow this up because I am in my iPhone and its too difficult to quote, check and post. I just read the thread and sniff for clues. I wasn't satisfied with Dorians content which is why I am still voting him and listed him as scum in my last blarble. I think Dorian is scum, I don't feel like anybody beleives me though.
The reason I would lynch Dan over other afk people is multiple.
1 - Dan is chronically afk and it seems like every game on LYLO or the day before LYLO there is a big jama over not knowing his alignment due to lack of posting. It's a problem.
2 - Dan his strategy is to lurk, we want to do, discourage this anti social tendency by lynching lurkers. In any case he can always get out by posting content.
3 - this game he already posted and had no comment on the three or four things that were happening and made no effort. It frustrates me。
I thought I would have a good chance to go through the thread. I don't. I am on holiday and sent v/la to mod but igurss it was too drink post lol. At this stage I am willing so sheep BT on Raikaria because I think BT is town. I am suspiciois of Bard voting Dan over Rai.
What happened to your own reason to prefer Raikarias lynch?I am used to people ignoring my cases but it doesn't make me feel any better about it. The only time when we've ever lynched somebody that I've started a case on was DNA in Choose Your Own Mafia. I catch scum often on day 1 and then get discouraged and go off track. I felt my case on you was much stronger, and people ignored it. I felt my points on Raikaria were relevant but I didn't have time to sit down and elucidate it clearly, so I expected people to ignore it. I had very little time and I didn't want to waste it.
And why is Bard suspicious for voting Dan when you see so many reasons to vote the guy yourself?
Which you finally did here. Dan is a lost case and you apologize to Bard for being a hypocrite but that doesn't explains why you criticized him in the first place nor why Raikaria isn't a thing anymore.
Moridin claims (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17327.msg1125442.html#msg1125442) (and has now established) ability to talk at night.
Schezo (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17327.msg1125547.html#msg1125547) questioning Moridin on his ability. The wording seems to me that Schezo is surprised that Moridin is 'the only one' with this ability. Seeing as I think Schezo is super town I don't want him to claim but if you have any...I don't know, inside info, let us know with a vote.
*observes Schezo voting Moridin day 2* Hmmmmmmmmmmm
Bard's copious amount of reasons (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17327.msg1125470.html#msg1125470) for voting huhwhat D1 had almost nil effect on the game at all, since he's now sheeping CF7 and voting him for shadows of a bus.I agree, sheeping Affinity.
##CF7God damn it Dan this is not how you convince people to vote with you in forum mafia. Why should I be voting CF7 over Bard? Why aren't you voting Bard? What happened to wanting Moridin dead? For fuck's sake Dan play the game you signed up for there haven't been that many pages it's noooooot haaaaaaard.
Isn't this the actual really obvious scum? Or I am missing something?
Also my little list was just separating those who voted for me vs those who didn't
Can somebody please post about the case on Bard and/or Prims? It's clear I won't get a chance to analyse this properly on my own and I need to look at them.The Bard case has been summed up pretty succinctly by both me and Affinity today. The Prims case is that people failed associative tells 101.
but Raikaria is scum though. He has nothing to say about the entire game posting so lets go back to rvs.
Dorian serious question time. How much of your case on me is because I have been scum reading you all game?
Also, are you scum?
I believe my vote speaks to my maverick sense of scum hunting.unless you're the Town Sextuplevoter it is also totally useless because nobody else wants to lynch CF7 and you're not doing anything to convince them to. tbh I am reconsidering the cred I gave you from Raikaria's flip even though I shouldn't be, just because you although clearly have the time to check the thread and post you're being an obstinate waste of a playerslot when you should KNOW you're not helping Town right now.
and these two questions serve nothing but to create noise and to antagonize Dorian.
The direction he's taking makes me far less willing to listen to his case really.
other people (Affinity and Lex) have said they don't like me but never say why.
##unvotewhat
##vote Affinity
I have no desire or need to explain my votes to you.
In addition, the situation you described is called "distancing" and is a common scum tactic.
I thought what Affinity did was weird and bad so I voted him while I went back to check but this happened instead.
You are flailing really really hard right now.
People who are interested in lynching Bard. I will lynch Bard tomorrow if we lynch Paladin today.
Would you perchance happen to be a programmer with a hard on for overly analytical thinking and large useless quote walls?My signature has a link to my programming blog so the first point isn't hard to deduce. The rest is a matter of opinion.
Also once again what is with people assuming I'm an idiot who votes for no reason. Everything I do has a reason behind it, I just don't feel any real obligation or reason to explain why I do what I do all the time.
Everything I do has a reason behind it, I just don't feel any real obligation or reason to explain why I do what I do all the time.
Prims, what do you make of this, seeing as your around?
OK so now I'm not sure if I'm voting Lexi because scum or if I'm voting her because she's a bad player.if it helps i won a scum game once because she got shadoweh mislynched on a fake cop claim.
*scratches his head* I've never played with Lexi before. Can anybody vouch for her meta that she is normally an anti-social troll, or is this actually legitimate scummy behaviour?
Would you perchance happen to be a programmer with a hard on for overly analytical thinking and large useless quote walls?if it helps i ... well i don't know what he does for a living but yeah that is pretty much his playstyle and my understanding is that his scum play is a lot more safe.
if it helps i won a scum game once because she got shadoweh mislynched on a fake cop claim.uh, as town, otherwise that would mean something very different
Hmm.
Lexi, you are in a quicktopic with Bard, yes?
uh, as town, otherwise that would mean something very different
granted that meta is at least a year old but my point is she plays selfishly.
also fwiw I apologize for the snippy comments D1. Most were made with the hope they'd spur you into being more open as I have trouble working with your playstyle but yeah I was being an ass unnecessarily.
i am actually confused why so many people aren't even looking into Bard since he's been a hot target both days and the dead guy who brought us our D1 scum lynch went down agreeing he was mafiaI think the main problem is that you and Affinity are so super convinced that Just is MAFIA, that you never really explained it properly.
nobody explains why it's scum!me doing that as a bus and not just, you know, town me being convinced by the guy who got shot
Bard's copious amount of reasons for voting huhwhat D1 had almost nil effect on the game at all
really though Bard if you're town what happened to your D1 effort?University of Law.
Secondly, it is interesting to consider that Sky_Paladin, CF7, miordin and Bardiche have all voted for ActionDan without considering Lexicat, who boasts a similar amount of content. Why is this so? Why Dan over LLD?Throws dirt on LSD while refusing to bring forth reasons himself, doesn't actually mention LSD much entire game despite this. Scummy when other mention (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17327.msg1125801.html#msg1125801) of LSD is to lynch, never explained why, but criticises other people for not saying why (not).
I beleive this: they can't say they aren't in a qt together because they know I have something to say otherwise.
what do you think of other people like Schezo, mirodin, Sky, etc.
Do not let Just get to L-1 or he may self hammer.
Please note Just and Lex's reaction to "you are in a qt together" was not any form of "it's not true" and in fact neither of them responded either way. Lex even shut up when I made my claim and vote.
I beleive this: they can't say they aren't in a qt together because they know I have something to say otherwise.
If Bard is red Lex is absolutely scum. If he dies while I am sleeping please anybody who can sab/shoot/disable take down Lex during the night phase.
I'll post slam dunk when after I get up, I just wanted to make sure you didn't accidentally kill Just while I was away and then I died overnight.
... Mirodin? Rhythm Heaven Mafia, more like Everyone Getting All The Names Wrong Mafia.Mirodin isn't really as comical as Morrison.
Read Schezo few times, not sure. Dislike argument here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17327.msg1126245.html#msg1126245) re: Scum!HW hammer, then cheeky "j/k" remark. If Schezo Scum then bussed Raikaria from start with shitty vague reasons? Don't think it likely.
Don't like Moridin vote for "pressure 2 talk", feels superfluous. Vote here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17327.msg1125566.html#msg1125566) seems insincere? What is case on ActionDan? OMGUS textbook (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17327.msg1126365.html#msg1126365) was read and used? Vote on me for pressure? Where are reasons?
Sky, regrettably insane. Massive walls makes me not want to read him. Latest posts imply insane again, or thinking Mafia is game where 100% sure scum will permit 'gotcha' gameplay. Sadly, playing Mafia, not Gotcha.
##Unvote
##Vote: Moridin
Affinity has opened eyes. Moridin vote reasons non-exist entire game.
Dorian serious question time. How much of your case on me is because I have been scum reading you all game?Well, let me rephrase that question to make it clear. What would you think of someone you suspect that answers the points you press with an all out attack against you?
Would you perchance happen to be a programmer with a hard on for overly analytical thinking and large useless quote walls? (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17327.msg1126525.html#msg1126525)
Sky Pal is really "LOGIC STRONK" even if I think his logic is completely illogical. Maybe an appeal to logic will tickle his fancy, given that Shadoweh relies more on intuitive reasoning rather than logical reasoning.
It's okay, even with your infuriatingly difficult to follow posts and reasons I don't think you're Scum; I think you'd make more of an effort to actually contribute and get people to look one way or the other.
Mirodin isn't really as comical as Morrison.
And finally, someone decided to me actually reasons being voting for talking about voting for me. Kind of disappointed though, was hoping for better ones. I'm not even sure if there is anything here I need to counter.
bard if you want me to switch off you, you can vote schezo, scum/scum wagons are cool
in Affinity's case I feel he just sticks to something that's easy to do.
And like the rule is you don't poke lld unless you're ready to throw down and like.. no.I'm starting to remember exactly why HW's anonymafia identification list had "Is it UncertainKitten?" -> Yes -> "It's LadyLambdadelta."
wtf Prims there's no way you're sleeping for 16 hours.Prims nightkilled BT for questioning the most righteous sleep schedule
ahahahahaa okay holy shit I have just come across either a SLAM DUNK of Raikaria only pretending to pay attention or the biggest Serela moment I've seen in my life.rofllll the most amazing thing about this post is not even the post itself (I think the point is null, even if hilarious), it's that everyone starts jumping on Raikaria after this, after seeing that Raikaria turned out to be counterwagon to scum I imagine someone who jumped on around this time period is probably scum (although that's entirely speculative, so, we'll see)
Prefered lunch is Raikaia ATM.vore confirmed
I bet there will be an association between me flipping MAFIA and a proof of the Riemann Hypothesis at this point.Any takers yet?
Nah dood we lynch him tomorrow. Lynch Raikaria 2dayThere's plenty of these, technically they aren't that bad since town can really want raikaria lynched too (bt is shining example) but I already kinda wanted to lynch him so
I dunno his demeanor. posting style. MAYBE ITS JUST HIS MUSCULAR CATBOI AVI. MAYBE I AM WEAK TO ITS CHARMS.Schezo confirmed for mind control beams except Dan flipped scum
schezo/bard/cf7gdi hw why do I always want to sheep you I swear I had these opinions before I got here just add affinity ahead of bard/cf7
or the biggest Serela moment I've seen in my life.
Also why do you dismiss my case on Lexi as crazy.Any case consisting of "I think their scumbuddies told them to say this" is almost certainly an awful case, I'm sorry. It happened a game or two ago with someone too, and everyone's response was pretty much the same, don't remember if you made that case or who. (still awake because I have to put in my contacts before I go to sleep, the right one feels weird tonight... w/e)
For starters, why'd you vote me?I gave my reasons before right? I don't want to bother going over then again, since I assume that you simply think these reasons are stupid. It doesn't really matter anymore right?
The reason I don't like Moridin is because he just pokes around the game instead of getting into it. He makes a bunch of arbitrary lists that mean little to nothing when he doesn't follow them and changes them on a whim.Perhaps you haven't realized this but I don't know what I'm doing.
he's a "second pick" or "considering it" thing for everyone so just vote him off already.
Moridin the reason people are scum reading is iirc you are only defending yourself. You need to engage other players and convince us why they are scum. Also why do you dismiss my case on Lexi as crazy. There are very real reasons to think Lexi had help, such as there not being wall quotes from me in this game.I only started doing that because I got annoyed about everyone making vague comments about me.
I'm gonna go through this game and start fights with all of you. I'm sick of this apathy. I signed up to play and have fun, but I'm just being ignored and laughed at.Sorry sorry. I'm a bit surprised that you'd be bothered about being made fun of or ignored though. You've been playing here a while and this place has a pretty negative atmosphere, at least the MAFIA games, so I thought you'd be used to it.
Wait a moment, was the Dan wagon a serious suggestion?
Mhmm, I'm still against any kind of policy by default, even if this case is tempting, so I'll take my time see what the guy is doing before I reconsider the idea.
Phone post, on my way to work.
##Vote: BT
Tell me, what exactly is it that you find scummy about CF7? Cause I really don't see it.
So, after I read Bards wall am I not sure why his actually a wagon. Good, he might be kinda stubborn there, a certain Luther quote comes to mind, but if that's scummy then I need someone who explains that to me (in preferably simple terms).
Dorian why is serious voting on policy so bad you'd rather jokevote, which is comparatively useless? What better option is there to voting Dan? Are Schezo and I questionable for pushing the policy?This is a very sensible tone to take.
actually wtf bard don't seriously try to push "Prims is suspect for putting down a serious vote ASAP" when your "thing" used to be trying to end RVS immediately. This is easily the most constructed thing I've seen this game, it's already bad for the point to not be alignment-indicative but here you should actively know it isn't.
though it'd be weird if all scum were on danPrims says this in the last bunch of posts before d1 end, it feels kind of weird like he already knows that Dan is a scum counterwagon? I'm having a hard time legitimately thinking this is bad because I also want to have a town read on Prims and this is kind of a flimsy reason (the kind of thing I tend to have to yell at sky or raikaria for using as their entire case iirc) but I'unno it just feels weird, and I feel like I should take that more seriously because Prims is the person I ALWAYS TOWN READ ALL THE TIME FOREVER
actually yeah I forgot Dorian could've just vanished and locked us into Dan lynch without taking responsibility for it so he gets a pass.I never actually said it but this is pretty much why I never mentioned Dorian, the lynch page was the one part of the game I'd already read before replacing in and I came to think conclusion as well. Oof, I guess SkyPal's comments on the situation after are half-decent though? Probably an unreliable reason to clear Dorian.
Plus he sort of claimed, that he can shoot people here.Did I really replace in for the slot that suggested "Since LLD implied being able to shoot people, she might be scum" ;_;
So... He might be a vig, he might be lying or he actually might be scum.
Please note Just and Lex's reaction to "you are in a qt together" was not any form of "it's not true" and in fact neither of them responded either way.No it's because the accusation was tin-foil hat tier mind boggling (albiet I already explained this to you in more detail), I'm sorry SkyPaladin but no one can take that seriously. :C
This player has not posted anything since Day 1 begun. Why do you say this?
Yeah I've seen nothing to convince me that I should be voting anyone but Prims right now.
On the other hand, I did see something I want to follow up on, but I wanna see how it evolves first.
If you hammer Dan, I'm putting a bullet between your eyes tonight. How about that for an incentive?
I'm down to lynch Moridin or Sky Palladin today. Not interested in a cf7 or Bard lynch.
I changed my mind, I'm happy to lynch Bard or Sky today.
Hey Sky, if I'm scum, tell me why I would bus Rakaria (at 5 votes) over hammering Dan at 6 votes at the deadline or just not posting at all?
You are flailing really really hard right now.
People who are interested in lynching Bard. I will lynch Bard tomorrow if we lynch Paladin today.
Would you perchance happen to be a programmer with a hard on for overly analytical thinking and large useless quote walls?
On the other hand I still have no reason to explain what I'm thinking.
Prims, you're gonna have to sell me on Bard today.
the reactions weren't about Sky, prims. they were about someone else.
I can actually buy that Bard case, let me reread some shit.
Anyway, you're town. Annoyingly bad, but town.
Vote: Just
I figure this is what I need to do today, but I'm a little nervous about Moridin/Affinity.
Actually, sky do me this big huge favor and sheep my Moridin votes and sheep it's case and I'll do something cool.No but seriously
Sky I'm gonna ignore you until you start listening to other people.
Not the time to go back to early D1 to scan for stuff.
@Sky: I wish you could summarize what you think on Bard/mioridin now, in three short paragraphs or less, and explain why you would pick Bard over miordin (without recourse to your QT conspiracy theory) since those are the two viable lynches for today it seems. Leave the forays into the past till tomorrow, else you'd be nothing but an exasperating distraction. Please. Do as the Romans do and stuff like that.
So I'm scummy because you think LSD is Scum? That logic strikes me as terrible.
FYI If you fine folks want to lynch Lexi instead of Bard, I'm okay with that too.
How would YOU feel if Town lynched you because Affinity is scummy?
My vote is on Lexi by the way.
I'm OK with a Bard lynch because I'm certain Lexicat is his buddy. I'm not gonna vote Bard right now because he'll just self hammer.
That's just silly! If you are ignoring me, how will you know if I'm listening to other people?
Addendum to Bard case - he hasn't claimed while at practically L-1 and such little time left. Where is the town motivation to clear your name :C
That's not how this game works, Sky Paladin. Scum keeps you alive to win LYLO.
You know, there was a reason outside of voting Rakaria I questioned him about that.
He said too often that he would claim ITP as scum to really think that he could get away with it.
Try to improve your gameplay and listen to people when they point out you're arriving at the right conclusion merely by coincidence?
Maybe I'm going crazy because I'm talking to myself, ne?
Bard is a meanie :V
"Going crazy" implies you aren't crazy yet, but you are regrettably quite insane. Even if LSD and I were Scum, you basically reasoned I was Scum based on LSD's actions instead of my own, which is arriving at a right conclusion by use of wrong reasoning and arguments. Like concluding a raven is a raven because all ravens are black birds, and this bird is black; for all intents and purposes, it could've been a vulture.
When I call you LSD it's affectionately, though Sky Paladin makes me feel it's a misnomer and you're actually perfectly sane and not crazy.
CF7/Serela's slot rapidly diminishing in my opinion because Serela's net contribution on day 2 was nil.I clearly spent all the time I had available trying to catch up on the game, so. :T
I don't even want moridin right now anyways.
Though I have to set it all up and can't be fucked right now later whatever I don't even want moridin right now anyways.Reading comprehension my strong suit.
Reading comprehension my strong suit.choking on my water
Also Sky I'm sorry if I was brash yesterday and stuff.
Sure. I said you were town. You thi k raikaria needs ti die. We will call it sheeping. Instead of the looked down upon art of survival.
errrrrr
Vote: Rakaria
Incase mod doesn't like fixing tags.
I'll vote moridin if something cool will happen sure
##vote Moridin
"yeah yeah yeah!"
*clap clap clap clap*
Hey baby, How's it going?
Just: (4) Prims, Affinity, Moridin84, Lexicat
Moridin: (3) Schezo, Just, ActionDan
Schezo: (1) Dorian
Lexicat: (1) Sky_Paladin
Not voting: Serela
6 votes needed for majority
You have 6 Hours and fifteen minutes
Moridin, can you please explain why you did worse-than-nothing with your night talk ability?I was going to say something along of the lines of "The last MAFIA player is probably Schezo or Dorion, but really, just vote for whoever Affinity & Primms thinks are MAFIA". However, I figured people would probably just get mad at me for that :p
lmao this role. Oh well take me away boys. I got my scum.lol
I don't do anything with that. serves me right for forcing you to say you sheeped me.
um let's see. Affinity scum final answer gg if not cf7s slot. 3 bus 5 me.
##Vote: Affinity
also possibility of SK - 2 goon setup. those happenLet's ignore the possibility of sk until there's actually an extra nk?
The reason you would bus Raikaria at 5 votes is because scum knew they couldn't pile all their votes on the mislynch of ActionDan.
He didn't have a choice day 1 Raikaria was getting lynchedWhat are you taking about? Of course had he a choice, his vote on Dan and Raikaria could have hammered, e finito!
I don't know what you gaiz thinks the "town" reaction to no one being there to hammer would be? am I supposed to hurt myself over nothing? nah. if nothing happens oh well.That may be going over old ground but it's still an interesting question. I can tell that it certainly didn't hurt you here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17327.msg1125847.html#msg1125847) and here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17327.msg1125849.html#msg1125849) to talk Dan into the Raikaria lynch.
Anyways. I didn't need to tell you HW to consolidate for the deadline lynch.
...
Dorian are you a lyncher by any chance?Well, I would rather call it desperate than insane. Scum was apparently quite lost day one, so you used your scum bias to not fall into the same trap as Raikaria. How else could you call your ?Raikaria has no opinions? point ?one of the better cases? when it's the only opinion you had yourself?
Cause me voteparking my "scumbuddy" would be insane. Hmm let me just bus without bussing so you can all lynch my later for not bussing correctly.
Or
I'm town who voted scum.
...
...This is also interesting and I'm not even talking about the fact that there is Just one name missing in you not interested list.
town!schezo can do whatever the fuck he wants when people aren't going to scumread my tone. I may have "hilariously bad interactions" but when they read me and say well at least he isn't scum then there's not a lot to do about lynching me.
what else. not interested in sky lld.
Everyone's biggest beef is my lack of motivation to play today. I guess I'm playing again now so eh.
Ya. I dont think its schezo. If it was id feel like hed be reluctant to switch to raikaria when he did. And also not actively tell me to do the same (ofc I probably would have done that anyway but hey).That's the point Dan. Everyone who can add one and one could have guessed that you would vote Raikaria in the end, so why did he spend time to tell you to vote Raikaria but no one else?
fter I posted reasons to vote Schezo, Serela agrees and goes 180 degrees on Schezo and calls for a quick-lynch (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17327.msg1127254.html#msg1127254), without addressing how his initial impressions changed.I started thinking townier about you, and your reasons took Schezo from "I'd be okay with the lynch I guess" to "I'm pretty okay with this lynch", and that only left Moridin and LLD. So, yeah.
LLD is depressing.like, at this point tbh there's not a lot of need to justify the cases with much reasoning, but she could at least weigh in how scummy she thinks the various people are (e.g. affinity/schezo, since obv. she thinks moridin is scum)
Im not super convinced like the rest of everyone sky is town but w.e.What really got me is Sky's debacle about Bard/LLD having a scum QT together and Bard telling LLD about etcetc, that whole thing. It really makes me think that the chances of them being scum together is pretty low. I guess there's also Sky's massive amount of wallposts d2 that I kinda skipped.
This player has not posted anything since Day 1 begun. Why do you say this?
Yeah I've seen nothing to convince me that I should be voting anyone but Prims right now.
On the other hand, I did see something I want to follow up on, but I wanna see how it evolves first.
Hey Sky, if I'm scum, tell me why I would bus Rakaria (at 5 votes) over hammering Dan at 6 votes at the deadline or just not posting at all?
Would you perchance happen to be a programmer with a hard on for overly analytical thinking and large useless quote walls?
On the other hand I still have no reason to explain what I'm thinking.
Prims, you're gonna have to sell me on Bard today.
the reactions weren't about Sky, prims. they were about someone else.
I can actually buy that Bard case, let me reread some shit.
Anyway, you're town. Annoyingly bad, but town.
Vote: Just
I figure this is what I need to do today, but I'm a little nervous about Moridin/Affinity.
You are flailing really really hard right now.
People who are interested in lynching Bard. I will lynch Bard tomorrow if we lynch Paladin today.
If you know, isn't that a good reason to actually, you know... Try to improve your gameplay and listen to people when they point out you're arriving at the right conclusion merely by coincidence? Even if LSD were my scumbuddy I wouldn't tell her that you've a hard-on for logic, because it's not true.
You hate logic. You have a hard-on for logical fallacies.
Bard is a meanie :V
"Going crazy" implies you aren't crazy yet, but you are regrettably quite insane. Even if LSD and I were Scum, you basically reasoned I was Scum based on LSD's actions instead of my own, which is arriving at a right conclusion by use of wrong reasoning and arguments. Like concluding a raven is a raven because all ravens are black birds, and this bird is black; for all intents and purposes, it could've been a vulture.
When I call you LSD it's affectionately, though Sky Paladin makes me feel it's a misnomer and you're actually perfectly sane and not crazy.
<3
I figure this is what I need to do today
I can actually get behind your Schezo vote after some (further reading). Thought him town at first for his long Rai vote, but then he voted for Rai as such:
"but Raikaria is scum though. He has nothing to say about the entire game posting so lets go back to rvs."
which is completely uninspiring and not something anyone can get behind (compare to BT, he doesn't even chip into his case!). It's very isolated, and it's not even true after midway through the game when Rai actually says a lot of things (and Schezo doesn't follow up). He also often says suspects ActionDan (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17327.msg1125613.html#msg1125613) and even votes him, but there's nothing saying why Raikaria is scummier than ActionDan all day.
Lastly, Raikaria's move (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17327.msg1125687.html#msg1125687) away from Schezo is really awkward. In this post he actually doesn't talk about how Schezo was getting better at all, only saying how other scumspects like Sky and people got 'far worse'. He even goes to say that he would never move back to Schezo (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17327.msg1125780.html#msg1125780) unless Sky and LLD do great things. What I said here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17327.msg1125801.html#msg1125801) yesterday applies to Schezo as well, and Rai as flipped scum doesn't bode well for him.
Schezo's D2 is also pretty waffly and going after the easy guy mirodin (with a tinge of huhwhat), so yeah, actually I'm all for lynching Schezo as well!
Schezo claimed his case on Raikaria was a good case but switched to Dan right as pressure on Raikaria was mounting, never explained this later. Despite being around at deadline there's no effort from him to get me to vote Raikaria when it really matters because he has no TOWN MOTIVATION or MOTIVATION in general because scum aren't MOTIVATED to lynch their scumbuddy.
I do think she should be lynched in lylo over Affinity if it comes to that. I'm not sure whether I'd lynch her or Moridin first if Schezo flips town.
Cause Schezo is town? lol.
Seems a good reason not to vote him.
I don't feel any need to explain why he's town? Explaining town reads is anti-town.
Moridin and Serela are the only good lynches today. Third outside option is Affinity.
@moridin:
Wait a minute. Here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17327.msg1127316.html#msg1127316) you said you did not want to vote Schezo, let alone quicklynch. In your next post, you suddenly say that you do here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17327.msg1127586.html#msg1127586), after I said I would. What's up with that?! What made you suddenly think Schezo is town, and what made you not willing to listen to what he had to say? Explain yourself
Not going to vote for Schezo right now. Probably no reason to quick lynch him right?I thought he was MAFIA but wanted to give him a a chance to speak. In between my first and second posts he had that chance.
@Dorian: Eh that's pretty true. I think I'll provide a reason though.I'm not sure on that, sounds more like the usual Serela waffle and the fact that Schezo managed to lure Serela
Serela was 'take it or leave it' (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17327.msg1127236.html#msg1127236) on Schezo, saying that he thought Schezo's press on Rai was sort of town despite his D2. After I posted reasons to vote Schezo, Serela agrees and goes 180 degrees on Schezo and calls for a quick-lynch (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17327.msg1127254.html#msg1127254), without addressing how his initial impressions changed. Well I did support it too at first, but then even when Schezo offers to post reasons on Serela later in the day instead, Serela totally ignores it (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17327.msg1127597.html#msg1127597) and still calls for a quicklynch.
It kinda has an opportunistic feel to it, and his eagerness to harp on Schezo's lackluster play D3 over and over again is disconcerting.
Looks like SkyPal is gonna get that LLD lynch he wanted!
So, Schezo promised us content and lurked in the hope his wagon would go away? Why didn't he claimed scum to begin with, that would have saved us quite some time at least.^^;;
Speaking of unexpected town flips.
##Vote: Lexicat
For someone who thought that Schezo was town were you surprisingly unconcerned about his impending lynch. Can you explain that?
what % chance do you think I have of saving him?The moridin wagon actually started getting support late d3 and I myself commented that I kinda considered joining it too, which would have been enough to swing the wagons from Schezo to Moridin. If you'd actually had reasons for Schezo being town that people considered decent, Moridin might have been yesterday's lynch; but you didn't try to stop Schezo's lynch past "Eh I think he's town".
Also, in a town of SkyPaladin being a fanatic, and the context of Schezo being overly mysterious about his role yesterday, what % chance do you think I have of saving him?Excuses, the lynch required five votes, not just Skys. You could have tried to convince Serela or Moridin or if you think they are likely scum then Affinity or me.
Cause you know I'll save townies from being lynched. I did it for ActionDan on Day 1 to get the Rakaria lynch.
Excuses, the lynch required five votes, not just Skys. You could have tried to convince Serela or Moridin or if you think they are likely scum then Affinity or me.
Fact is, you didn't even tried, and don't tell you didn't had enough time to do so. You had more than enough.
It may be the case that I don't know about your ?personal life? but I can tell that someone who has time to write this (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17327.msg1127721.html#msg1127721) could have also said something to his defense and if explaining your town reads is anti-town, then how anti-town is it to let a mislynch pass?
By the way, your AtE has been noticed.
For one, I stand behind explaining reasonings for town reads being anti town.I'm sorry Lucy, but I had to push that point, if you block further then you just end up like Schezo.
For another, I posted that before I passed out into a depression sleep for about 16 hours.
So bite me~ (wait, I might like that... hmmm)
Apart from that, if you need more proof we're totally lovers, I've been basically COMPLETELY IGNORING Dorian in-thread for the entire game, up to excluding him from most of my posts where I touch on my feelings about everyone in the game. I also talked about how I was planning quicklynches in my scum qt (Dorian, sadly, did not want to quicklynch :C And obviously it's not a scum qt or it'd be lylo etc)Completely ignoring your partner and not discussing your feelings? That sounds more like you are married rather than lovers. :p
So Schezo was TOWN after all?Why the question mark?
Does anyone have any real abilities?Come here little fish~
I kind of assumed Schezo was MAFIA so I have not really been paying too much attention to the thread, though I have been reading it and stuff.When and why did you assume this? It looks like your vote appeared mid/late day 3, so reality doesn't reflect this excuse. Please clarify further.
Affinity - He pushed and lynched two players who ended up being MAFIA so I thought he was definitely TOWN.Why past tense? Do you no longer think he is town? Why?
Serala - Maybe MAFIA?Why were those two 'maybe mafia' (before their claim)?
Dorian - Maybe MAFIA? Nobody else seems to think so though. I think he's the one that's been throwing doubt on Affinity's TOWN-ness so that might be a thing
Well, it was Dan SkyPal or Dorian. I wasn't expecting Dan though.Why not Affinity? Why Dan at all? Dan is a completely bizarre night kill because his actions are random, unaccountable, and he was the best mislynch for scum to line up in LYLO. A Dan kill is indicative of a player not aware of the Shrine Maiden meta, which implicates Moridin.
As before, he's still only a lynch option because of PoE; he hasn't done anything quite enough to give him a soft townclear, and most of the other players are townier than him.He's scummy because his posts are devoid of content and he did absolutely nothing useful with his night talk ability. As far as I can recall, he just wagon hopped and urged for a Schezo lynch. If Schezo had put up an iota of effort, it probably would have been Moridin's head on a pike yesterday.
For someone who thought that Schezo was town were you surprisingly unconcerned about his impending lynch. Can you explain that?Pretty much this (re: Lexi).
Also, in a town of SkyPaladin being a fanatic, and the context of Schezo being overly mysterious about his role yesterday, what % chance do you think I have of saving him?Actually really high. I was begging you to post something justify your many random town reads/scum reads for the last two days. But when you say stuff like this - 'I don't have to explain my actions, but I'll remind you I'm not that used to 72 hour days' - what reason do we have to believe you would ever act to help another person?
You don't know jack about my personal life, so this is a fucking dumb thing to say.Ahahaahahahhahahaa
A Dan kill is indicative of a player not aware of the Shrine Maiden meta, which implicates Moridin.
BT picked the two people right? ...Yes, that most likely the case. But any ?what if? question should you address at the mod, cause we have no idea how that would turn out.
Dorian - Maybe MAFIA? Nobody else seems to think so though. I think he's the one that's been throwing doubt on Affinity's TOWN-ness so that might be a thingI give you that you are unfamiliar with Affinitys meta, cause that guy don't need any help with ?boiling up paranoia?. The fact that he's still alive over Dan is prove enough.
I've spent this entire game not caring about building town credWhich is why you're up for a lynch, with how you voted on both scum wagons if you'd actually done a little of that there probably wouldn't be a wagon on you whilst Moridin is still around.
A Dan kill is indicative of a player not aware of the Shrine Maiden meta, which implicates Moridin.While I can kind of see where you're coming from, Affinity was still kinda sorta maybe mislynch material and I'm sorry but to be honest I don't view you as high on scum's NK list (unless lld was scum I suppose, since a vote is still a powerful in lategame) Gaming the nks isn't usually a very smart move. But, well, when I think about it, I guess I kinda agree with you here? :T I already want to lynch Moridin anyway though, so.
I do not trust masons claim at all; nothing in BTs flip suggests they get confirmed to each other.Fakeclaiming that we're modconfirmed town to eachother would be a really lame thing to do.
I assume they both claimed town to each other and decided to make it up that they were mason pair to each other.
Affinity I asked nicely and was ignored. Im now calling the shots because I'm generally perceived as town whereas apparently you are not
Why the question mark?...
When and why did you assume this? It looks like your vote appeared mid/late day 3, so reality doesn't reflect this excuse. Please clarify further.https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17327.msg1127765.html#msg1127765
Why past tense? Do you no longer think he is town? Why?
Why were those two 'maybe mafia' (before their claim)?Well it doesn't really matter at this point.
Why not Affinity? Why Dan at all? Dan is a completely bizarre night kill because his actions are random, unaccountable, and he was the best mislynch for scum to line up in LYLO. A Dan kill is indicative of a player not aware of the Shrine Maiden meta, which implicates Moridin.Except people have mentioned this about ActionDan a few times in both this game and the last.
) a successful protect can stall LyLO for one more day and confirm a townie?Considering Prims was mega obv nk I really doubt we have any conventional protective role. I guess other people might have a different opinion about how likely the Prims nk had been though (he drove both scum lynches pretty hard, esp. bard, was crazy town looking overall, and very active, the other prob-towns didn't really shine a light to that). I don't really care about people other than LLD/Moridin claiming, and yeah LLD should just claim today because no matter what LLD says tomorrow "scum doing last ditch effort in lylo" would be the most likely reaction. Unless she's secretly a protective role but uh?
Moridin: (1) Lexicat, SerelaYeah Zak can you clarify whether or not this is correct? >.>
The role, Moridin, is to help coordinate town by being the first person with the chance to comment in a flip, assign protectors/checks/etc as well as elucidate on scum picks and maybe make a case or two. No role is truly useless and we have a number of vanilla towns who would gladly have had your ability, in sure.
Well to talk about my stance on LLD again, I trust her early votes on the wagon D1/2 and I don't buy Sky's reasoning that she did so merely to 'avoid piling onto the same wagon as her other scummates' (we talked it out here and I made my point). Come on, wagon analysis two days straight should be like a great stalwart thing we can rely on. It's not something we should give up due to paranoia over her playstyle.
Hmmm...If it was me I would have run with it. It's like the ultimate gambit backup.
What's putting LLD at l-1 going to do? Me, Affinity, and LLD aren't planning on lynching LLD today so an LLD lynch isn't happening, l-1 to pressure her would be an empty gesture.
since everyone other than Moridin is obvtownWe don't know this for sure. For example, scum!Affinity *could* have mega bussed his buddies, and scum!me *could* have invested way too much effort in to a game that is obviously won already.
If Lucy is scum then she will reached a dead end in LyLo, cause no matter who she kills she will be still the most likely lynch of the day.
I'll keep it in mind, though I think LLD voting for scum late is better than not voting at all
If it does come down to a LLD vs Sky battle, I think she has her D1 conduct over yours at least.
I do think LLD should claim but I don't really care whether it's today or tomorrow so if she's going to refuse claiming right now then whatever.
What if she claims cop with a confirm guilty on Affinity (or myself) tomorrow? How could we believe it?Obviously you wouldn't and you'd lynch her. I already said this pretty much.
This was a humbling exercise whereby I ISO'd Dorian, found he was scummy up until the part where I went to bed, and then found that everything he did after that was plausible. So I'll write it off as a rough start and when I finally had time to read the big chunk of game that I'd missed...sigh.
Anyway I wrote all this stuff up so I'll post it here. I'm not going to follow the order I listed below, I'm going to do Bard/Moridin because tbh I should have done this first and not wasted time rehashing old territory but I was an arrogant prick and thought I was right so of course I was happy to redo it.
I'm moving Dorian from 'almost certainly scum' to 'possibly scum' along with Prims, Affinity, and Schezo, which is not reflected in the below list. There's no reason to read it except that I went to all that effort and maybe it'll be useful later.
(when I asked him on this end of D2 he merely said Bard -scum, moridin -not scum, which is not helpful).
And as I mentioned just because four people claimed does not mean that they necessarily want everyone to claim.
Why are you so adamant on being right and using anything and everything to further your opinions, Sky?I am not trying to be right. I am trying to get you and Serela to look at the words that they are saying and realise you are heavily biased to defending Lexi for some reason, and identify that reason.
She voted the Rai wagon when the wagons were tied.This is completely false.
If she was scum and voted for Dan instead, scum would have secured one mislynch out of a minimum of three to win the gameIf she had hammered Dan at that moment, and he flipped green, Lexi would have to explain herself and would be in serious danger day 2. It was too risky, especially with Raikaria and Just already on that wagon.
we are not playing the game of mafia just because you can't have you way.You are doing fine. I'm looking at Lexi.
It is extremely demeaning and insulting.
When Lexi voted for Raikaria, there was only a very slight chance that he would be lynched, and with deadline rapidly approaching, it was probably more likely that afk!Dan was going to be lynched.
This is completely false.
The tally just before Lexi's vote (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17327.msg1125874.html#msg1125874) was:
ActionDan: (6) Moridin84, CF7, Prims, Just, Sky Paladin, Raikaria, (L-1)
Raikaria: (4) Schezo, BT, Affinity, ActionDan
Schezo: (1) Dorian
Prims: (1) Lexicat
When Lexi voted for Raikaria, there was only a very slight chance that he would be lynched, and with deadline rapidly approaching, it was probably more likely that afk!Dan was going to be lynched.
If she had hammered Dan at that moment, and he flipped green, Lexi would have to explain herself and would be in serious danger day 2. It was too risky, especially with Raikaria and Just already on that wagon.
Please question your read of Lexi. You keep making excuses for her and it seems your townclear is based on a factual misunderstanding.
You are doing fine. I'm looking at Lexi.
Both of you called me insane/crazy all day 2 and ignored much of what I had to say, and I wasn't even calling you out. :V
Fine but that only makes my point stronger. Suppose she just went afk and left Dan to die? Also, why do you think her situation would untenable D2? Other people voted for Dan to and it's quite plausible for scum to talk themselves out of it; compare with risking a Rai lynch and stuff.
For the record, I still think your D2 as insane/crazy.
Sorry for grabbing the last word, but I think this is a rather trivial defense. As you wish I'd let LLD defend herself now.
Both of you called me insane/crazy all day 2 and ignored much of what I had to saySo did a lot of other people :V I specifically pointed out and explained why what you said was crazy. It was almost factual. Honestly you're still kind of there because half the situations you spout don't make any sense from any perspective, or are just silly, like Affinity!scum nightkilling LLD tonight or panicking over the possibility of town!LLD claiming a strong powerrole tomorrow and "oh no how can I believe her" when the fact of the matter is you don't ever believe claims that occur that way, you just don't. They just result in 1v1s where you go on who is scummier, not roleshens, and in 3p lylo a 1v1 is already nigh-guaranteed anyway.
If it does come down to a LLD vs Sky battle, I think she has her D1 conduct over yours at least.
I'll keep it in mind, though I think LLD voting for scum late is better than not voting at all
Fine but that only makes my point stronger. Suppose she just went afk and left Dan to die?
or the record, I still think your D2 as insane/crazy.Before coming here, I played only outside contact games. I played a lot of them, and I got very good at picking up when people knew more than they should/who they had talked to. It's quite possible I am wrong here, but the same spider sense that told me when player x was lying to me tingled when I read a line that I would have expected to come from Bard. My case isn't "Lexi is scum because she might share a QT". My case was "Lexi is probably scum because (reasons)" that included vote analysis, posting behavior, and interactions with others. Moridin, on the other hand, looks like he is kind of a lost sheep with nobody to talk to. It's kind of likely he is the last scum.
Once again, I'm only willing to claim if Dorian wants me to.I am okay with this.
Sky Paladin has the worst kind of like, blinders on right now. And that's a nice way of putting it.I am trying to get Affinity and Serela to see that your vote on day 1 isn't the magic town clear they seem to be making it out to be. THAT'S ALL. They're defending you solely based on this point, which is completely open to WIFOM, so I can't abide by it. We have almost 30 pages of content to go on, but this one act is enough?
If Lexi claimed now, the day before endgame with the situation already pretty clearly laid out, her claim would not be any more credible than if she made it tomorrow. It's too late for that.The reason I want Lexi to claim is because Moridin already claimed. He can't come out with a fake guilty in LYLO. If we lynched Moridin today, and Lexi has an information role, we can't rely on it in LYLO. OTOH if Lexi could hypothetically townclear a player right now (Affinity or myself would be ideal), we could actually lynch Lexi to get one more confirmed town for LYLO. Or some other option that may become clear once we have information.
If Lexi went afk and the lynch went sour, of course she'd be blamed for being afk. Nobody wants that kind of attention, especially scum.
OTOH if Lexi could hypothetically townclear a player right nowIf she could townclear another person when a third of the players are practically modconfirmed town already then I'd be pretty dang surprised she's trying to not claim. It'd be bad play.
Serela seriously fuck off with thaat lynching me talk. You know damn well I'm town, make the right call for once, yeah?Um no I don't? Somehow you've managed to become a townread but you're still my second weakest townread. I trust that Affinity/SkyPal are town over you being town. Your votes aren't as convincingly town as Affinity's based on when/where they were made and quite honestly you haven't given much else we could think you're town for. I'm not SUPER CONFIDENT Moridin is actually going to flip scum, so I'm trying to be prepared for a situation where he does not.
Why give up?Uh, it's not giving up. We already thoroughly examined Affinity/You and solidly think you're town. If we're wrong, then we're wrong. We're pretty sure we're not wrong?
That said I feel pretty confident Moridin is scum, so. I also note that he's been around at least twice since Dorians case with no response at all. Of course Schezo afkd to death too so who knows.Been around several times actually.
Yeah, I know. But I don't know who I'll vote for tomorrow actually, if there's one.Wait what?
LLD, are you an investigative role?
Fair enough, I admit I am scared of her. I'll do the ISO tomorrow with reference to your case.And if yes, then what's your conclusion on it?
Why do you feel that he's townier than me. Yeah reasons are swimming around, just wanted to hear what you think (if you hadn't already.His one-sided crusade against Lexicat is crazy no matter how you slice it. If he was MAFIA then is no way he would "commit" that much.
So Moridin, if you have any reason to suspect Affinity or to clear Lucy then out with it. It could only make you situation better.I'm working on a process of elimination here.
I'm down to lynch Moridin or Sky Palladin today. Not interested in a cf7 or Bard lynch.
I changed my mind, I'm happy to lynch Bard or Sky today.
On the other hand I still have no reason to explain what I'm thinking.
Prims, you're gonna have to sell me on Bard today.
I have reason to beleive Just and Lexi are sharing a quicktopic. I don't know if it is as neighbors, masons, or scum, but Lexi's refusal to clarify makes me think it is the latter. This also explains why Bard skipped Lexi in Prims case, earlier.
Therefore I'm going to go with a flip of Bard being very likely to be scum, and also indicative of Lexi's alignment. Just has more votes than Lexi, so Ill vote Bard.
##invote
##vote Just
I'll explain why I came to this conclusion in a little bit and others can agree/disagree with my interpretation of events. But for now I want to see some responses to my many, many questions, and content from Just and Lexi.
Please come and enjoy our Candy Treats, now 100% Spider free!
Just: (4) Prims, Affinity, Sky_Paladin, Moridin84
Moridin: (2) Schezo, Just
Sky_Paladin: (2) Dorian, Lexicat
Primms: (1) CF7
CF7: (1) ActionDan
6 votes needed for majority
You have 29 Hours (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140910T19&p0=2374&msg=End+of+Day+2)
CF7 has requested replacement. His vote will remain until I can confirm a new player.
Anyway, you're town. Annoyingly bad, but town.
Vote: Just
I figure this is what I need to do today, but I'm a little nervous about Moridin/Affinity.
thing with lld is that what she does is kinda taken at face value. there isn't much to question.
man why do you keep putting words into people's mouth to the point of claiming for others?
her being an investigative role, and i would like her to tell us if she is one.Right.
if im scum i would not want to draw attention to myself like that. i would have been satisfied with the moridin/lld lynch and chip in the appropriate reasoning for such votes (pretty easy to find actually). so please don't fault me for providing an alternative view here.Your main argument for why you are not scum is the same argument for why I am not scum, so we can't consider it for the purposes of 'scuminess'.
also could everyone (other than moridin) clarify why they think Sky is town?
also could everyone (other than moridin) clarify why they think Sky is town? this is not a rhetorical thing i just kinda want to understand.Sky is town because his play from mid day two on could be only summarize as refuge in audacity.
1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3,That's wrong by the way. It's supposed to be:
It's up to you!
just keep in mind plz plz plz no fast voting in lyloThat says the right one.^^;
Well Affinity, could you vote Moridin too?
I think the point Sky made about the vote block is an formatting error of the mod but better save the sorry, right?^^;
Schezo got lynched for reasons I still do not understand.because he literally just sat there and let it happen
Scum-Scum lovers?Scumteam gets fucked if that happens :V
?You win when all threats to town have been eliminated and both of you are alive?Were you aware that you turned us into de focto survivors?
Wait, we need to be alive and can't win postmortem like common town? OK, we are fucked anyway.^^;;
Ohhhhhh YES!Really should have hit you instead of ActionDan. Thought you were a more likely mislynch than ActionDan. Opps.
We managed to do what I thought would be almost impossible.^.^/ ~* tackle glomps Serela *~
Unfortunately for Moridin, his grave was pretty much dug after it turns out I was confirmed town, eliminating a mislynch he direly needed. Sure, LLD was almost lynched today, but it'd be craaaaaazy if Moridin didn't take the bullet the next day.Yeah I got very relaxed after that. Almost felt like eating popcorn while reading the thread.
I think SkyPal needs a hydra partner to keep him in check until he can calm down his mafia play a bit, he's kinda consistently a... thingHe's become a little... crazy with his Mafia play over the last few months.
I really wish you guys (assuming the game is over and everyone is reading this) would have not jerked me around all game.Seriously guys :/
- Sky_Paladin: Lexicat is so scummy why doesn't anyone want to lynch her? Moridin is also so scummy I should lynch him... but Lexicat... ARGH, WHY CAN'T YOU BOTH BE MAFIA DAMMIT?
- Dorion: I am willing to lynch Moridin. I'm not going to, but I am totally willing. I'M PREPARED TO LYNCH AT ANYTIME... just not right now
- Lexicat: Voting for Moridin... wait Sky_Paladin just questioned me, I'm going to vote for him... oh wait now I'm going to vote for CF7... no wait Just. Now I'm going to vote for Moridin... no wait Dorion... no wait Moridin... no wait Serala... no wait she just claimed lovers. Hah, I knew it was Moridin all the time fuckers!
- Affinity: Moridin is so town guys, he's just an idiot so be nice. Really, tots TOWN. Wait, what's that offhand comment I see over there? HE MUST BE MAFIA LYNCH HIM! Oh no nevermind, changed my mind Serala it is.
Serala: Moridin feels town ... yup Moridin still feels TOWN... I want to believe Moridin is town ... ARGH HE'S MAFIA, WHY DO I ALWAYS BELIEVE IN THESE GUYS?
Were you aware that you turned us into de focto survivors?My role was literally "you must turn two people into lovers on N0" where the 'also survivors' part wasn't said or implied unless I missed it. If Zak won't post the PM then I will.
If IHe would have died too AND lost no matter if town wins or not. And if you had killed me then he would have died too but we could have won with town at least, I guess , Zakeri was kinda vague about that.lynchednight killed Dorion, does that mean Serala dies? Or stays alive and loses even if TOWN wins?
It's very difficult to pretend to be TOWN when I have never played as TOWN in shrine mafia. Especially when TOWN players refuse to explain what is so MAFIA about your play so you can stop doing it!now to roll mafia 7 more times in a row
I guess I was explicitly not invited to the graveyard....wait, why does the pm say that I sent the message to myself?
hmmmpf.
Schezo got lynched for reasons I still do not understand.
I don't know what you''re talking about Zakeri. I'm clearly a TurboCopVigilanteJOATDoctorTracker!
You are the Scientists of Love Lab.When I asked Zak about what information the targets get and other things, he immediately shot me down. I don't have an opinion on this - I'm just sharing.
As a Scientist, the core output of your laboratories is of course the studies of love. You have already researched the chemicals the produce love, as well as observed how they combine to form a powerful reaction. Even though the presence of the Mafia requires the town's full attention, you must fulfill your research quota, and thus to combine your work efforts, you must use a love potion on two members of the game so you may observe how they deal with the stress together.
During the confirmation stage, you must send in the names of two players in the game. Those two players will become lovers, and will both be removed from the game if one of them is lynched or killed.
You win when all threats to town have been removed.
This marks the last game in which I am unwilling to vote my scum buddies period, because trying to invent cause to stay off of Raikaria clearly has done me no favours.It hasn't done you favors since you presented ample reasons to think Raikaria is scum yet found ways to avoid voting him, which was pretty scummy. It's not the same as, say, going for a "Raikaria is Raikaria" meta defense which probably would have implicated you much less. Y'know, this wasn't the only component that led to your lynch. Avoiding bussing your buddies is still pretty much advised.
It hasn't done you favors since you presented ample reasons to think Raikaria is scum yet found ways to avoid voting him, which was pretty scummy. It's not the same as, say, going for a "Raikaria is Raikaria" meta defense which probably would have implicated you much less. Y'know, this wasn't the only component that led to your lynch. Avoiding bussing your buddies is still pretty much advised.
Just gonna back you up on the misspelling part because it bothers the heck out of me too. Learn your names, people.
Lexicat, the new ActionDan Zero Effort soft drink!
now to roll mafia 7 more times in a rowFirst 5 times I played The Resistance (http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/41114/resistance) I was a Spy. The 6th time I was Resistance and then the 7th I was a Spy again. No joke.
Weeeeee 3/3.I'd give you a pad on the head... if you didn't charge out of Day 4 voting for Serala.
LLD, your mafia playing style objectively sucks, sorry.
One way of seeing whether or not a playing style is good is if everyone follows it. If everyone in the game played like you, town would have lost.
First 5 times I played The Resistance (http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/41114/resistance) I was a Spy. The 6th time I was Resistance and then the 7th I was a Spy again. No joke.
That was actually hilarious though.
I'd give you a pad on the head... if you didn't charge out of Day 4 voting for Serala.
Lexicat, the new ActionDan Zero Effort soft drink!
Any benefit town might've gotten from having more scum to find is overshadowed by the fact there would be a 4 scum voting block and if they wanted they could just refused to vote one another and made it so that almost the entire town had to band together to lynch scum day 1 (considering that they needed 7 votes for that.)I'm almost positive if all I did was post I wouldn't have gotten lynched but I felt like shit then and now I feel like shit for playing like that. whoops
That said gj town for an almost perfect victory. I would've argued against the Schezo lynch because I didn't see scum having a functional vanilla as their last power role, but uh... they did, so.
I'm almost positive if all I did was post I wouldn't have gotten lynched but I felt like shit then and now I feel like shit for playing like that. whoops
It's not about not explaining town reads. It's about trying to convince other people why your scum reads are scum.
LLD, your mafia playing style objectively sucks, sorry.
One way of seeing whether or not a playing style is good is if everyone follows it. If everyone in the game played like you, town would have lost.
To be frank, I was being serious when I said I'd happily lynch you. If I was town I'd have tried to lynch you still Lexi.
Also half-heart D1 when I roll scum due to busy IRL. Get lynched. PC dies meaning I'd have probobly got modkilled/replaced if I was still alive anyway. Only for my new PC a few days ago.
I guess the D1 lynch was a blessing in disguise?
If only Mafia was a game of "lynch the asshole", we'd never lose a game of Mafia again. Unfortunately, it's not about disliking someone's attitude or personality, but about whether or not they behave in a pro-scum manner.
As long as you weren't seriously believing in your case on Lexicat as being valid to vote me for, I'm OK with that. It's easy to get lost in minutiae.
tbh being a jerk is pretty scummy. i personally wouldn't mind lynching assholes if it meant they would stop being assholes next time :^(
I'm not sure I can be a low effort soft drink~. I'm already a hallucinogenic drug, so!No, you aren't. You are still ?the girl with the sun in her eyes? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Q-DN_hY3o).^^
Bard/logic stuff - I wanted to gambit that you two were in a QT because I thought it was possible. I don't have the cajones to actually gambit so I tried to float it out in a way that was easier to retract. In the end, somebody did bite - Moridin said "I thought you had some kind of ability" but I was too focused on what you and Lexi did to properly notice. After that it became 'I want Lexi to post/explain' and I became focused on that goal instead of catching scum.You know, Lexi is totally capable of being friendly and helpfully explaining things to people like you, to help you townread her better.
also imo the biggest problem with LLD's playstyle is that if you're not on scum at critical junctures (or apparently sometimes even when you are!) then lategame you become a total unknown at best or a distraction at worst.
re: outing townreads: i think it's a waste of space unless they're a serious lynch candidate but i'm reminded of the sf game where i went "Shinori is town wait actually I had no reason to point that out I just wanted to be smug postgame when I wasn't wrong" that was funny
Clearly I invest too much time and effort into this game (mafia, not this specific game). I'm not being sarcastic, I really mean it. I keep deriding Dan (and Lexi) for their playstyle but it's apparently very effective.This?
I've started playing some newbie games over at mafiascum to level up a bit. In the mean time, I think I'll self-post restrict myself for a bit. I feel like I lost this game somehow.
Thanks to Zak for running the game, I've never seen such a light roles game before. I was vanilla, and I presume Affinity and Lexi were too.
Bard/logic stuff - I wanted to gambit that you two were in a QT because I thought it was possible. I don't have the cajones to actually gambit so I tried to float it out in a way that was easier to retract. In the end, somebody did bite - Moridin said "I thought you had some kind of ability" but I was too focused on what you and Lexi did to properly notice. After that it became 'I want Lexi to post/explain' and I became focused on that goal instead of catching scum.
Oh by the way. Relevant to Mafia and town/scum reading.A wild Kahneman appears. Yeah, I've always wondered about skill and mafia. Lots of naysayers insist that mafia is pretty much luck and there's evidence to back it up - your Win/Loss ratio WILL approach 1:1 the longer you play, no matter how experienced you are. Thing is, it's hard to tell how much of that is due to mafia being a team game. If you ask MafiaScum, they have awards for players who play better than others. Is it the same as the yearly bonuses in the article? Who knows.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/23/magazine/dont-blink-the-hazards-of-confidence.html
your Win/Loss ratio WILL approach 1:1 the longer you play, no matter how experienced you areCan be explained by; mafia is a team game.
skill exists in mafia. source: the most skilled mafia player, mewill you autograph my chest and have my first born?