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Title: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Zerviscos on April 04, 2013, 03:31:58 AM
I was looking for some decent RPGs that are on the PS3 the other day. I found a good looking game called "The Witch and the Hundred Knights (http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps3/644717-the-witch-and-the-hundred-knights)". It wasn't until next year though, so I kept looking for other stuff.  What I found out instead was ANOTHER Wii game that caught my eye. It was "Fragile Dreams: Farewell Ruins of the Moon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fragile_Dreams:_Farewell_Ruins_of_the_Moon)". Since I don't have a Wii, of course I wouldn't know, but looking at it, these kind of games convinces me to buy a Wii(which probably I will, or a Wii U).

The reviews were pretty low, but it was a decent game that I wouldn't mind playing.
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Okay, on to my point. As a gamer who currently owns only the current gen PS3, a gaming rig PC, and some older consoles(likes NES, PS1, PS2, Gamecube, etc.). I always wonder if there is something I MISSED out. Games that are overlooked, and/or underrated that they were buried under a huge pile of "mainstream" games. Usually these undiscovered gems I'm looking for are Japanese developed games, rather than the "usual, and overheard" American games(except for those indie games and casual ones, usually I miss out the best ones). Probably because of a lot of ads, and stuff, that JP games doesn't do much. Which the only info you'll have is from other people(if you're lucky that they'll even tell, or if they even know about it).

So yea, can you guys post here your list or atleast a number of games that CAN be; MIGHT been; HAVE been, overlooked by some/most of us? And atleast some games that were rated/scored pretty low than they should've been credited for.
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on April 04, 2013, 03:42:07 AM
The only thing that really comes to mind here, for me, is Eternal Eyes (http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/197238-eternal-eyes) for the PS1. It is by no means a great game, and its pretty poor reviews are well deserved-- it is not polished at all-- in fact, the translation seems to be pretty damn bad (stuff from the instruction booklet doesn't even match up with the stuff in the game, which doesn't really follow any sort of logic sometimes). However, it's by no means an unenjoyable game, though this statement may be biased by the fact that it's been about 10 years since I've played it.

Think of it as Final Fantasy Tactics meets Pokemon/Shin Megami Tensei, where you play as a puppet master of sorts who can change and fuse puppets into better ones by using magic stones and stuff (which can also be used in battle, as well).

At the very least, it's kinda cute. I'm sure you can find it dirt cheap on Amazon or something.
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on April 04, 2013, 03:47:56 AM
System Shock 2 never got the attention it deserved back in the late late '90s, but now it's available for cheap on GOG.com and ready to roll on modern OSes.

It's one of the granddaddy's of all FPSRPGs, along with Deus Ex, which shouldn't be too surprising as they were both headed up by Warren Spector.

Now if you want a REALLY obscure and underrated FPSRPG, check this out. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strife_%28video_game%29) Not as early as Ultima Underworld, but earlier than the other two.
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Chilled Muffins on April 04, 2013, 04:15:41 AM
I'm not sure God Eater got the attention it could have. It's essentially a sort of futuristic Monster Hunter with more in terms of plot. I really did enjoy the storyline and clothing choices. The weapon choices were a bit of a so-so thing for me, seeing as the nicest looking ones were also the slowest in terms of attack speed. A slow attack speed in God Eater really does put you at a disadvantage unless you have the upgrades and damage output to back it up. Add in the fact that literally any of the enemy creatures apart from the Cocoon Maidens and Ogretails can very easily tear you to shreds, and you have a decently challenging game.
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: theshirn on April 04, 2013, 04:21:26 AM
As always with these threads, there are answers, there are correct answers, and there is Terranigma.
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on April 04, 2013, 04:52:31 AM
Zeno Clash is first-person fisticuffs done right.

I can say this with reasonable certainty as I have yet to not find kneeing people in the face entertaining.
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: trancehime on April 04, 2013, 06:36:24 AM
The only thing that really comes to mind here, for me, is Eternal Eyes (http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/197238-eternal-eyes) for the PS1. It is by no means a great game, and its pretty poor reviews are well deserved-- it is not polished at all-- in fact, the translation seems to be pretty damn bad (stuff from the instruction booklet doesn't even match up with the stuff in the game, which doesn't really follow any sort of logic sometimes). However, it's by no means an unenjoyable game, though this statement may be biased by the fact that it's been about 10 years since I've played it.

Eternal Eyes also has the "you can beat the game with one super powerful dude ezpz" syndrome which is disappointing :fail:

I'm not sure God Eater got the attention it could have.

God Eater got more than one game, this answers the issue that "it might not have gotten the attention it could have" >_>

I personally don't know how bad it is, but I think Daigasso (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5x5u3mQscw) Band (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jyuXg8Flf0) Brothers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE7AtJG-dMc) DX (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hkL2vcZfgU) (Jam with the Band in English-speaking areas) is one of those wonderful DS games that I think deserves more stateside attention. While it's decently popular in Japan (the .bdx uploader has a Love Live! OP score uploaded), I don't know of anyone stateside or any English-speakers familiar with the game. It's an excellent rhythm game in my opinion given the amazing amount of native custom song support for it - with people porting tracks and songs from anime, games, movies, and other popular media - allowing me to fully appreciate a good deal of effort involved in song composition...

For example, this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpSHDJ62pzA) plays 幽雅に咲かせ、墨染の桜 using 3 copies of the game, with 24 instruments.
FFIV battle themes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ-ML5VXIrM) (with difficulty scales of the instruments, 1★ easiest, 10★ hardest
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Tengukami on April 04, 2013, 08:51:46 AM
Felix the Cat for NES. Not even kidding. Fun as hell, addictive and surprisingly challenging platformer.
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on April 04, 2013, 11:11:54 AM
 Well there's this... (http://www.spiderwebsoftware.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=1&Category_Code=Geneforge_Games)

Geneforge, a turned-based strategy game with no music. Graphics and sounds aren't really that important, but for those who like thick plots and diverse endings etc etc, would be a great game I suppose. Turned-based like uhh FFTactics or something-

And I have nothing to say about it. It'll be better if you guys just try it out and immerse yourself in the story to see if you'll like it. Personally, one of my favourite games due to how every choice you make affects the world some way or another. Also, damn that plot is gooooood.
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Validon98 on April 04, 2013, 12:40:56 PM
Uh... Valkyrie Profile (the original one, not the sequels)? I mean, it's probably a little more popular now than it was when it first came out, but I know very few people who've heard of it/ have played it. It was popular in Japan (which explains the sequels), but outside of that? Not really. It has a flaw here and there (hiring the VAs from 4Kids for the English dub will make things sound a little more cheesy than it should be), but it's always been fun to play for me. It's one reason why I'll be LPing it.

EDIT: Whoops, almost forgot Hellsinker! That's an amazing shmup, but so few people outside of Japan have heard of it that I'm amazed when someone besides me mentions it. If you can get past the very confusing plotline (for those of you that hate mind screws), it's a good game.
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: trancehime on April 04, 2013, 12:45:25 PM
Well there's this... (http://www.spiderwebsoftware.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=1&Category_Code=Geneforge_Games)

All the people on this forum who I could potentially discuss Geneforge and I guess by extension Avernum with are Singaporeans.

HMMMM....
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Kasu on April 04, 2013, 02:15:27 PM
Gotcha Force (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQxQi7i9L0E) is a pretty fun action game made by Capcom, though I don't hear people talk about it very much.  If I recall correctly, it got really mixed reviews but had a pretty good following.

It's a shame that the North American version only got an instrumental version of the theme song though.  Especially since it's so amusing. :3
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Garlyle on April 04, 2013, 03:19:54 PM
Well there's this... (http://www.spiderwebsoftware.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=1&Category_Code=Geneforge_Games)

Geneforge, a turned-based strategy game with no music. Graphics and sounds aren't really that important, but for those who like thick plots and diverse endings etc etc, would be a great game I suppose. Turned-based like uhh FFTactics or something-

And I have nothing to say about it. It'll be better if you guys just try it out and immerse yourself in the story to see if you'll like it. Personally, one of my favourite games due to how every choice you make affects the world some way or another. Also, damn that plot is gooooood.
Okay the whole impactable story sounds super neat but I'm hesitant to plop down 40$ for the series or something without knowing anything about the gameplay.

I suppose I'll do some more research

Also obligatory Growlanser Generations (PS2) recommendation from me.  Growlanser IV on PSP got a little bit of recognition a few months ago but I still consider the two games in Generations (2/3) superior to any of the other ones available in english.  They're strategy RPGs which eschew a fixed grid and standard 'turns' for what is more like a freeroaming variant of the Final Fantasy ATB system, complete with unique spellcasting mechanics and a solid mixture of "prespecialized characters" + "lots of customization".  2 is a short (~10 hours at most) game with lots of replayability due to multiple endings and secret content and plays a little more like FFT; 3 is longer (20-30) and is more like a traditional RPG with freeroaming and dungeons and all.  They've both got decent stories and great characters too so... yeah.  They are a little old-feeling in terms of visuals/audio (They were late-PS1 development titles so they sure won't feel like PS2) but it's not in any way that hampers gameplay, so...

Also funny that this topic started on Fragile Dreams, I highly recommend that too.  It's so good especially if you like games that make you cry
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Zerviscos on April 04, 2013, 03:38:20 PM
The only thing that really comes to mind here, for me, is Eternal Eyes (http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/197238-eternal-eyes) for the PS1. It is by no means a great game, and its pretty poor reviews are well deserved-- it is not polished at all-- in fact, the translation seems to be pretty damn bad (stuff from the instruction booklet doesn't even match up with the stuff in the game, which doesn't really follow any sort of logic sometimes). However, it's by no means an unenjoyable game, though this statement may be biased by the fact that it's been about 10 years since I've played it.

Think of it as Final Fantasy Tactics meets Pokemon/Shin Megami Tensei, where you play as a puppet master of sorts who can change and fuse puppets into better ones by using magic stones and stuff (which can also be used in battle, as well).

At the very least, it's kinda cute. I'm sure you can find it dirt cheap on Amazon or something.
Oh..THAT game. Ugh, you just reminded me a rather bad past.
As always with these threads, there are answers, there are correct answers, and there is Terranigma.
Oh, yes. I have played it on SNES. Alongside with Soul Blazer and Illusion of Gaia, this were one of the best RPGs of all times.
I'm not sure God Eater got the attention it could have. It's essentially a sort of futuristic Monster Hunter with more in terms of plot. I really did enjoy the storyline and clothing choices. The weapon choices were a bit of a so-so thing for me, seeing as the nicest looking ones were also the slowest in terms of attack speed. A slow attack speed in God Eater really does put you at a disadvantage unless you have the upgrades and damage output to back it up. Add in the fact that literally any of the enemy creatures apart from the Cocoon Maidens and Ogretails can very easily tear you to shreds, and you have a decently challenging game.
God Eater? Overlooked? I never noticed it was, since a lot of people I know does know it. Probably not all, but I'm pretty sure it's pretty well known.
I personally don't know how bad it is, but I think Daigasso (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5x5u3mQscw) Band (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jyuXg8Flf0) Brothers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE7AtJG-dMc) DX (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hkL2vcZfgU) (Jam with the Band in English-speaking areas) is one of those wonderful DS games that I think deserves more stateside attention. While it's decently popular in Japan (the .bdx uploader has a Love Live! OP score uploaded), I don't know of anyone stateside or any English-speakers familiar with the game. It's an excellent rhythm game in my opinion given the amazing amount of native custom song support for it - with people porting tracks and songs from anime, games, movies, and other popular media - allowing me to fully appreciate a good deal of effort involved in song composition...

For example, this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpSHDJ62pzA) plays 幽雅に咲かせ、墨染の桜 using 3 copies of the game, with 24 instruments.
FFIV battle themes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ-ML5VXIrM) (with difficulty scales of the instruments, 1★ easiest, 10★ hardest
Oh! That looks rather interesting. I like it, thanks for showing this one.
Uh... Valkyrie Profile (the original one, not the sequels)? I mean, it's probably a little more popular now than it was when it first came out, but I know very few people who've heard of it/ have played it. It was popular in Japan (which explains the sequels), but outside of that? Not really. It has a flaw here and there (hiring the VAs from 4Kids for the English dub will make things sound a little more cheesy than it should be), but it's always been fun to play for me. It's one reason why I'll be LPing it.

EDIT: Whoops, almost forgot Hellsinker! That's an amazing shmup, but so few people outside of Japan have heard of it that I'm amazed when someone besides me mentions it. If you can get past the very confusing plotline (for those of you that hate mind screws), it's a good game.
Valkyrie Profile? Okay, sure it wasn't as popular in retail launch, but I know it was pretty well known atleast after a year or so it came out, and they even improved the North American version of the game. Which VProfile: Lenneth lacked.

Hellsinker...looks rather confusing. I know a Touhou(which is probably the easiest vertical danmaku shooter) player shouldn't be saying that, but meh...don't knock it 'till you try it.
Felix the Cat for NES. Not even kidding. Fun as hell, addictive and surprisingly challenging platformer.
I love platform games, especially "puzzly" ones. Sadly I rarely see any good platformers(that are usually one-shot/indie) out there...no I don't mean games like Megaman. Like Limbo, PixelJunk Eden, or others. If you have any tell 'em, k?
Well there's this... (http://www.spiderwebsoftware.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=1&Category_Code=Geneforge_Games)

Geneforge, a turned-based strategy game with no music. Graphics and sounds aren't really that important, but for those who like thick plots and diverse endings etc etc, would be a great game I suppose. Turned-based like uhh FFTactics or something-

And I have nothing to say about it. It'll be better if you guys just try it out and immerse yourself in the story to see if you'll like it. Personally, one of my favourite games due to how every choice you make affects the world some way or another. Also, damn that plot is gooooood.
Will do..if I get some time, and extra money to do it. Looks interesting though, reminds me of older DnD games.
Gotcha Force (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQxQi7i9L0E) is a pretty fun action game made by Capcom, though I don't hear people talk about it very much.  If I recall correctly, it got really mixed reviews but had a pretty good following.

It's a shame that the North American version only got an instrumental version of the theme song though.  Especially since it's so amusing. :3
NOW THAT, that reminds me of games I used to play during childhood. Well, even though it's overlooked, I don't think I'll be able to play games like those anymore. You know "seemingly matured" taste. :V
Also obligatory Growlanser Generations (PS2) recommendation from me.  Growlanser IV on PSP got a little bit of recognition a few months ago but I still consider the two games in Generations (2/3) superior to any of the other ones available in english.  They're strategy RPGs which eschew a fixed grid and standard 'turns' for what is more like a freeroaming variant of the Final Fantasy ATB system, complete with unique spellcasting mechanics and a solid mixture of "prespecialized characters" + "lots of customization".  2 is a short (~10 hours at most) game with lots of replayability due to multiple endings and secret content and plays a little more like FFT; 3 is longer (20-30) and is more like a traditional RPG with freeroaming and dungeons and all.  They've both got decent stories and great characters too so... yeah.  They are a little old-feeling in terms of visuals/audio (They were late-PS1 development titles so they sure won't feel like PS2) but it's not in any way that hampers gameplay, so...

Also funny that this topic started on Fragile Dreams, I highly recommend that too.  It's so good especially if you like games that make you cry
Wow, you showed me a game of a genre I love so much, that I missed. The game reminds me of Vanguard Bandits and Yggdra Union.

Anyways, I'm going to post one also. One of the only games I've enjoyed on the Sega Dreamcast(alongside copycat version of Mario Party, which is Sonic Shuffle). It is the Shenmue series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenmue), one of THE VERY diamonds of the fallen Sega company. You know how Rockstar made Grand-Theft Auto III a sandbox open-world game back then in 2001? This came out BEFORE, and it was VERY ADVANCE during it's time. Too bad it was left unheard of, and only a few actually knows about it. Other than that it left a sad cliffhanger on the plot, which was mainly due to Sega's bankruptcy. Even now, after 13 years, I'm still hoping for a sequel...much like how I waited for that cursed Megaman Legends 3.
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: DX7.EP on April 04, 2013, 04:26:24 PM
Oh man, we can have a field day here. (and with this one can see my games background :V)

D2 (Dreamcast) (http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/warp/warp3.htm). Quite a game loaded with horror, sexual content, and violence in ways games have not done since. Alas the designer Kenji Eno passed away earlier this year. (example vid) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbbiUzwphVk)

Waku Waku 7 (NeoGeo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DefAwU3GcEI). Sure Capcom and SNK dominated fighters at the time, but Sunsoft's entry plays at an even level, and comes complete with loads of anime stereotypes and parodies.

Plok! (SNES) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7HIihP4Cho). A platformer where the main character attacks using detachable limbs - not too different from Dynamite Headdy on Megadrive. Alas it got released amid a deluge of 2D platformers, leading to its obscurity. The music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTSW4M28XQg), done by none other by Tim Follin, really pushes the capabilities of the SNES sound chip (especially since it only uses 5 of the 8 channels, leaving the other 3 for sound effects).

Battle Garegga (arcade, Saturn) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq_3J2w8cAg). A favourite in the STG scene for being one of the early bullet hell games - and being very difficult for one considering its near-invisible bullets. Soundtrack's laced with loads of Detroit techno and FM synthesis goodness.

Warzard/Red Earth (arcade) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5XzouEglVc). An interesting combination of 2D fighter with RPG elements. Not very popular due to arcade exclusivity, but its characters have been featured in other Capcom games.

Cyber Troopers Virtual On (arcade, Saturn, PC, PS2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCwmnppqfiQ). Arcade-style mecha battle goodness. Loved playing it in the arcade against a few others.
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Chilled Muffins on April 04, 2013, 04:42:14 PM
God Eater? Overlooked? I never noticed it was, since a lot of people I know does know it. Probably not all, but I'm pretty sure it's pretty well known.


Ah, I might be looking from an 'unknown in my area' perspective.
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Validon98 on April 04, 2013, 04:59:11 PM

Ah, I might be looking from an 'unknown in my area' perspective.

I guess that's how I felt about VP as. I swear there's maybe one or two other people I know who have played/heard of it.
Now I feel bad about even mentioning it if it's not the type of thing you're asking for. >.>
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Third Eye Lem on April 04, 2013, 07:57:13 PM
I love platform games, especially "puzzly" ones.
Have you heard of Adventures of Shuggy? (http://store.steampowered.com/app/211440/?snr=1_7_15__13) That's an interesting platformer; there's a variety of objectives for each level, but the main game focuses on rotating the level and collecting gems. And why it's not exactly underrated or overlooked right now (it just came out), Battleblock Theater (http://www.battleblocktheater.com/) may tickle your puzzle-platformer bones (Yes, I am aware you don't have a 360, but Behemoth will most likely being BBT to PC and PS3 later on).

Back on topic, I'd recommend looking into Skies of Arcadia, it's one of the few JRPGs for the Gamecube and it's pretty good. Duel Masters for the PS2 is interesting if you like TCGs, and there's Lego Racers, a Mario-Kart style racing game where you can build and race your own cars. :3c
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Tengukami on April 04, 2013, 08:05:42 PM
Have you heard of Adventures of Shuggy? (http://store.steampowered.com/app/211440/?snr=1_7_15__13) That's an interesting platformer; there's a variety of objectives for each level, but the main game focuses on rotating the level and collecting gems. And why it's not exactly underrated or overlooked right now (it just came out), Battleblock Theater (http://www.battleblocktheater.com/) may tickle your puzzle-platformer bones (Yes, I am aware you don't have a 360, but Behemoth will most likely being BBT to PC and PS3 later on).

And then there's my absolute favorite platformer/puzzle game: Braid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqtSKkyJgFM). For some reason this game got very little press. But it's absolutely incredible. Just be sure that your body is ready for the saddest ending ever.
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: draganuv15 on April 04, 2013, 08:07:14 PM
Pretty sure I'm the only person I know who owns this... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Cloud)
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Chilled Muffins on April 04, 2013, 08:14:13 PM
Pretty sure I'm the only person I know who owns this... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Cloud)


My uncle used to have this, but he never let me play his games. Now I miss that PS2.
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on April 04, 2013, 08:37:44 PM
Pretty sure I'm the only person I know who owns this... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Cloud)

I used to have this! It was the first game I ever had for PS2, and it was excellent. I miss it. :<
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Shizumarashi Mayuzumi on April 04, 2013, 08:51:18 PM
Obsidian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsidian_%28video_game%29). Full stop. Everyone GTFO and come back once you've played it. :V

no not really re: GTFO. I just really like it and like no one else knows it and it makes me sad :(
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Garlyle on April 04, 2013, 09:55:18 PM
And then there's my absolute favorite platformer/puzzle game: Braid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqtSKkyJgFM). For some reason this game got very little press. But it's absolutely incredible. Just be sure that your body is ready for the saddest ending ever.
Braid is one of the most well-known Indie titles out there actually.  I liked it and its ending and then I found out
the whole dumb-as-shit "SHE'S A NUKE" metaphor secret ending
which the game was just way, way better without.

Pretty sure I'm the only person I know who owns this... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Cloud)
I own it and its sequel.  I think the OP mentioned liking the Terranigma trilogy - Dark Cloud in a way feels like a spiritual successor to Soul Blazer in a lot of really nice ways.

Anyway speaking of game recommendations, there's the three "lost" Square classics on SNES (all with fan translations which are spectacular):
Seiken Densetsu 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcKJ6tYvvq0), aka the real sequel to Secret of Mana, is pretty similar to the original but comes with a completely customizable party (which changes events in the game based on who you select - and in what order!) with high replay value, lots of playtime, great music/graphics, class branches, and more.  It's a really neat action RPG and a lot of fun, although it's actually quite buggy in a way that you won't notice unless you really start digging into mechanics (for instance, a couple stats actually do nothing, crits don't work...)
Treasure of the Rudra (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iquOykr_ylw) (Rudra no Hihou) uses a classic Square visual engine ala FF6 and feels similar to it in a lot of ways.  You progress three separate scenarios (and a fourth final one after) which tell the tale of different heroes with different goals during the last 16 days before humanity is apparently going to be 'wiped out' to make way for a new race - though you have the freedom to progress through each tale independantly, they each occur simultaneously, so the plots are neatly interwoven.  On top of great presentation, the game's spell system is truly unique - you actually name the spell and the game creates the spell based on what you wrote - literally anything works!
Live-a-Live (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3ezi3pc8aI) is the most unique of the three.  It's actually several smaller, loosely connected games that tie together in the end - each only shares the core battle mechanics.  The small scenarios are wildly different - setting (from prehistory to feudal japan to spaceships and more), atmosphere, musical style, writing, characters, even the overarching gameplay mechanics of each scenario feel unique!  Though seemingly unrelated, they actually come together over what was, for its time, one of the most amazing plot twists in gaming (and it still might be one of my favourites, though it may seem less surprising these days)
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: KrackoCloud on April 04, 2013, 11:32:50 PM
Puzzles games, guys. Puzzle games.

Meteos
A falling-blocks game made by Sakurai, the man behind Smash, Kirby, and Icarus Uprising. This game is really amazing, and one of the most competitive games of its genre. I love it. Somehow, Sakurai can make it feel just like a fighting game.

Zack & Wiki

Another puzzle gem. Every level is like a brainteaser - there's an astronomical amount of pleasure in every "AAAHHH I JUST FIGURED OUT WHAT I HAVE TO DOOO" moment. And those moments come often. The game has a great sense of humor, the atmosphere is great, and it's very replayable.

Ghost Trick
Do you like Ace Attorney? Of course you do! So you might as well give this a spin, because it was made by the same people. And it shows. The writing feels very similar, but the plot is much less episodic, making the story a lot deeper. Plot twists everywhere and some nice puzzles too. I only wish it was longer.

Picross DS

If you're a fan of newspaper puzzles like Sudoku, KenKen, and Crosswords, this game is a must-have. My sister and I used to be total Sudoku addicts until we found Picross. And then, Sudoku seemed but a shadow of pleasure. You can find Picross games elsewhere by other names, but I've found that Picross DS does the most justice.
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Validon98 on April 05, 2013, 12:25:41 AM
Pretty sure I'm the only person I know who owns this... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Cloud)

Oh hey, Dark Cloud! I never finished the original. It was one of the first RPGs I ever played. I want to try that again some time.
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Amraphenson on April 05, 2013, 12:57:31 AM
Dark Cloud was pretty decent. Dark Cloud 2 was better in lots of regards, including trimming off the pointless player characters.
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Aba Matindesu! on April 05, 2013, 02:14:33 AM
Europa 1400. Seriously, I'm surprised it never went mainstream, that shit was quality right there. It seemed to have gotten the same amount of research put into it as Wreck-it Ralph and Final Fantasy XII combined.

I mean, the lampoons. THE LAMPOONS.

Avernum

THIS

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All... Singaporeans

not anymore
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Zerviscos on April 05, 2013, 03:28:09 PM
And then there's my absolute favorite platformer/puzzle game: Braid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqtSKkyJgFM). For some reason this game got very little press. But it's absolutely incredible. Just be sure that your body is ready for the saddest ending ever.
Ah yes, I played Braid myself before. One of the best indies I played actually.
Pretty sure I'm the only person I know who owns this... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Cloud)
Ah, I'm surprised someone mentioned this. I got to agree, Level 5 games aren't really as famous as other companies' games out there.
Dark Cloud 2 was my favorite game of theirs since it had a whole new improvement from Dark Cloud 1, then next came Ni No Kuni....but their White Knight Chronicles wasn't really what I expected, so I just brought the sequel to finish the story, but never really gotten myself to finish it wholly.
Braid is one of the most well-known Indie titles out there actually.  I liked it and its ending and then I found out
the whole dumb-as-shit "SHE'S A NUKE" metaphor secret ending
which the game was just way, way better without.
I own it and its sequel.  I think the OP mentioned liking the Terranigma trilogy - Dark Cloud in a way feels like a spiritual successor to Soul Blazer in a lot of really nice ways.

Anyway speaking of game recommendations, there's the three "lost" Square classics on SNES (all with fan translations which are spectacular):
Seiken Densetsu 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcKJ6tYvvq0), aka the real sequel to Secret of Mana, is pretty similar to the original but comes with a completely customizable party (which changes events in the game based on who you select - and in what order!) with high replay value, lots of playtime, great music/graphics, class branches, and more.  It's a really neat action RPG and a lot of fun, although it's actually quite buggy in a way that you won't notice unless you really start digging into mechanics (for instance, a couple stats actually do nothing, crits don't work...)
Treasure of the Rudra (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iquOykr_ylw) (Rudra no Hihou) uses a classic Square visual engine ala FF6 and feels similar to it in a lot of ways.  You progress three separate scenarios (and a fourth final one after) which tell the tale of different heroes with different goals during the last 16 days before humanity is apparently going to be 'wiped out' to make way for a new race - though you have the freedom to progress through each tale independantly, they each occur simultaneously, so the plots are neatly interwoven.  On top of great presentation, the game's spell system is truly unique - you actually name the spell and the game creates the spell based on what you wrote - literally anything works!
Live-a-Live (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3ezi3pc8aI) is the most unique of the three.  It's actually several smaller, loosely connected games that tie together in the end - each only shares the core battle mechanics.  The small scenarios are wildly different - setting (from prehistory to feudal japan to spaceships and more), atmosphere, musical style, writing, characters, even the overarching gameplay mechanics of each scenario feel unique!  Though seemingly unrelated, they actually come together over what was, for its time, one of the most amazing plot twists in gaming (and it still might be one of my favourites, though it may seem less surprising these days)
Speaking of Mana games. My favorite should be Legend of Mana from PS1. And yes, the Mana series is also one of the most underrated and overlooked games these days...and sadly, they're never really innovated or worked on properly in the past years.
Obsidian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsidian_%28video_game%29). Full stop. Everyone GTFO and come back once you've played it. :V

no not really re: GTFO. I just really like it and like no one else knows it and it makes me sad :(
Can you gimme a video link? I can't fine one... :X
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Shizumarashi Mayuzumi on April 05, 2013, 07:23:04 PM
Can you gimme a video link? I can't fine one... :X

Yeah I ended up having to toss the developer into the search since it's a short, real-word title.

Short trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXDlESoiCl0)
Some random dude's Let's Play with commentary via YouTube annotations (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie_7jtKriF8[/url) (I skipped to Part 3 because the initial area is both pretty short/boring and... weirdly probably more spoilery than the stuff soon after, and he doesn't enter the first area proper until midway through Part 2.)

But, I mean, it's a Myst-style adventure game (pretty much contemporaneous with Riven), so while I adore the hell out of it, it may not be the most exciting thing in the world to watch. :V
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Tamer Anode/Cathode on April 05, 2013, 10:37:41 PM
Dragon's Fury/Devil's Crush/Devil Crash for Genesis/TG-16. While it's part of the already-niche genre of pinball games/simulators, the visuals and sound are pretty flashy for the time of its release and the pinball mechanics and physics are absolutely spot-on. The game's just so dazzling and satisfying to play.
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: K.B. on April 05, 2013, 11:02:50 PM
Eh, the physics seemed a tad off to me (as with most older pinball video games), but definitely agreed that it's fun and that the music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_DnpZdJ_yY&hd=1) is awesome.

A few recs in this thread that I'd never heard of; I'll have to check them out.  For now, my nomination is Grim Fandango.  I didn't think it would have been overlooked, but over 95% of people in today's gamefaqs poll hadn't played it (http://imgur.com/B2FEPsJ).  Point-and-click adventure; arguably the best in the genre and one of the funniest games ever made.
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Zerviscos on April 06, 2013, 01:27:58 AM
Yeah I ended up having to toss the developer into the search since it's a short, real-word title.

Short trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXDlESoiCl0)
Some random dude's Let's Play with commentary via YouTube annotations (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie_7jtKriF8[/url) (I skipped to Part 3 because the initial area is both pretty short/boring and... weirdly probably more spoilery than the stuff soon after, and he doesn't enter the first area proper until midway through Part 2.)

But, I mean, it's a Myst-style adventure game (pretty much contemporaneous with Riven), so while I adore the hell out of it, it may not be the most exciting thing in the world to watch. :V

Oh, looks interesting point and click adventure. I haven't read the plot, but the game is like Alone in the Dark with Science. It also looks pretty advance for it's time.
Eh, the physics seemed a tad off to me (as with most older pinball video games), but definitely agreed that it's fun and that the music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_DnpZdJ_yY&hd=1) is awesome.

A few recs in this thread that I'd never heard of; I'll have to check them out.  For now, my nomination is Grim Fandango.  I didn't think it would have been overlooked, but over 95% of people in today's gamefaqs poll hadn't played it (http://imgur.com/B2FEPsJ).  Point-and-click adventure; arguably the best in the genre and one of the funniest games ever made.
Wait what? Grim Fandango was made by Lucas Arts? Oh God my childhood, I never knew!
That game was awesome!
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Shizumarashi Mayuzumi on April 06, 2013, 02:10:22 AM
Oh, looks interesting point and click adventure. I haven't read the plot, but the game is like Alone in the Dark with Science. It also looks pretty advance for it's time.

Though warning: have fun actually finding it. :V (Also if you do I have no idea if it runs on modern systems, I ended up running it in a Win98 virtual machine last time I did play it but I'd already set that up for something else so I figured might as well as long as I had it, skipped even trying to run it on Vista.)
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Reddyne on April 06, 2013, 12:12:41 PM
As always with these threads, there are answers, there are correct answers, and there is Terranigma.
Thiiiiiiis. Terranigma is fantastic. Remake the whole wide world from the ground up - literally. Just play it with a guide so you can get all the cool stuff.
Dark Cloud was pretty decent. Dark Cloud 2 was better in lots of regards, including trimming off the pointless player characters.
I still have a save file with 65 hours pumped into DC2. Max has the best lighter-weight wrench with the best ray gun equipped. Monica has the best lightest-weight sword with the best amulet thing equipped. The frozen fish and tiki head were more fun to use though.
Seiken Densetsu 3
This was my high school experience with games. Lise as a Star Lancer, Duran as a Swordmaster, and Hawk as a Nightblade provided a combo of stat and weapon buffs for your party plus debuffs for the enemies. 

 
Hey! Look what the Game Grumps are playing! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNcKqb810jc&NR=1&feature=endscreen) Why, it's the best SNES game that no one played! 'Member how you're here because you like playing as a miko who shoots and dodges stuff in games with lots of Japanese mythology tied to it? Then how come you never played this?
 
Am I the only one who remembers Tyrian/Tyrian 2000? Got me into shooters, it did. Shame it works so poorly on Windows 7.
 
I also have to plug Company of Heroes again. A game that I never heard anyone talk about until I just picked it up and tried it by my lonesome. This is the most satisfying RTS game I've ever played. It took 7 years to get a sequel, which looks and sounds delicious.  Also, Metro 2033, a story and immersion-heavy FPS that received just enough notice to get a sequel too. DON'T LOOK AT THE KREMLIN!
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Desu_Cake on April 06, 2013, 04:26:02 PM
Magical Starsign
Gameplay-wise, it's typical RPG fare, but DAT DAMN STORY!
And practically no-one I know has ever heard of it ;_;
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: KrackoCloud on April 06, 2013, 04:48:23 PM
Magical Starsign
Gameplay-wise, it's typical RPG fare, but DAT DAMN STORY!
And practically no-one I know has ever heard of it ;_;
Ah ha ha. I thought it was a neat game, but there wasn't much to make it stand out from the rest of the rpg crowd. I can't say I remember much about the plot, although it was fairly straightforward (in a way that was a good thing).
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Shizumarashi Mayuzumi on April 06, 2013, 06:36:04 PM
Am I the only one who remembers Tyrian/Tyrian 2000? Got me into shooters, it did. Shame it works so poorly on Windows 7.

I remember Tyrian 2000 from much much more recent history, because it's on GOG for actually free (http://www.gog.com/gamecard/tyrian_2000).
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: trancehime on April 07, 2013, 12:56:20 AM
Battle Garegga (arcade, Saturn) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq_3J2w8cAg). A favourite in the STG scene for being one of the early bullet hell games - and being very difficult for one considering its near-invisible bullets. Soundtrack's laced with loads of Detroit techno and FM synthesis goodness.

I'm not sure I'd call this obscure. Compared to the other games in the list anyway. :V

Magical Starsign
Gameplay-wise, it's typical RPG fare, but DAT DAMN STORY!
And practically no-one I know has ever heard of it ;_;

I found it kinda boring :derp:

Wait what? Grim Fandango was made by Lucas Arts? Oh God my childhood, I never knew!
That game was awesome!

It really was.
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Shizumarashi Mayuzumi on April 07, 2013, 01:52:11 AM
Lemme also drop back in here with a recommendation for King of Dragon Pass. Because it is the (http://i.imgur.com/NLVrD.png) very (http://i.imgur.com/3XIQ4.png) best (http://i.imgur.com/vFWh7.png) game (http://i.imgur.com/6uE2Y.png).

I'm not really the best at describing things but it's sorta of a hybrid between a simulation game and a choose your own adventure. The best recommendation I can give for answering the question of "would I like this game?" is to read the first few game-years of the two (http://lparchive.org/King-of-Dragon-Pass/) fantastic (http://lparchive.org/King-of-Dragon-Pass-%28by-Haifisch%29/) Let's Plays on the archive.

Anyone who does decide they want it, it's available on GOG in its original form, or on iOS in a slightly-updated rerelease which adds some new events and streamlines a few tasks like crop ratios and some tasks 99% of the player base all did the same thing on anyway (always maxing out crafters, removing Children as an option for your magic because actually putting points in it blows and leaves you a mountain of useless mouths to feed, etc.)
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Tommy Vercetti on April 07, 2013, 02:04:20 AM
Here's one that I don't think was mentioned in this thread: Actraiser. The first game was an excellent mix of strategy, simulation and platforming with some awesome music. Your avatar could use some magic, albeit it's limited to finite uses per stage. It's a shame the second game killed the series with its difficulty spikes.

Here's another game that I'm surprised wasn't mentioned yet: Startropics. This one's an interesting case: It wasn't obscure at the time it was released. Now, it's seemingly all but forgotten. It's similar to the first Zelda game. You play as Mike Jones as he finds his missing uncle. However, it adds some more to the plate compared to the first Zelda game. Such as: puzzle bosses, quirky dialogue, interesting puzzles and powerful items. It's on the NA/EU Virtual Console if you want to give it a try.
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on April 07, 2013, 06:08:04 AM
All the people on this forum who I could potentially discuss Geneforge and I guess by extension Avernum with are Singaporeans.

HMMMM....

Well I played every Geneforge game and stuff etc etc eue

HMMMM.....
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: trancehime on April 07, 2013, 07:53:23 AM
Here's one that I don't think was mentioned in this thread: Actraiser. The first game was an excellent mix of strategy, simulation and platforming with some awesome music. Your avatar could use some magic, albeit it's limited to finite uses per stage. It's a shame the second game killed the series with its difficulty spikes.

Actraiser was particularly iconic for its music and interesting village sim element though?  :wat:

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Here's another game that I'm surprised wasn't mentioned yet: Startropics. This one's an interesting case: It wasn't obscure at the time it was released. Now, it's seemingly all but forgotten. It's similar to the first Zelda game. You play as Mike Jones as he finds his missing uncle. However, it adds some more to the plate compared to the first Zelda game. Such as: puzzle bosses, quirky dialogue, interesting puzzles and powerful items. It's on the NA/EU Virtual Console if you want to give it a try.

DeceasedCrab did LPs on Startropics and its sequel, and I think it's exposed a lot of people to it. I guess to be fair though it is kind of on the underrated side of the spectrum as it's pretty much fun fluff and the dialogue is pretty great too.
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Garlyle on April 07, 2013, 10:36:36 AM
Here's one that I don't think was mentioned in this thread: Actraiser. The first game was an excellent mix of strategy, simulation and platforming with some awesome music. Your avatar could use some magic, albeit it's limited to finite uses per stage. It's a shame the second game killed the series with its difficulty spikes.
ActRaiser is mildly well known among more classic/retro gamers these days, but yeah, it's really worth checking out.  The second game just... isn't the same.

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Here's another game that I'm surprised wasn't mentioned yet: Startropics. This one's an interesting case: It wasn't obscure at the time it was released. Now, it's seemingly all but forgotten. It's similar to the first Zelda game. You play as Mike Jones as he finds his missing uncle. However, it adds some more to the plate compared to the first Zelda game. Such as: puzzle bosses, quirky dialogue, interesting puzzles and powerful items. It's on the NA/EU Virtual Console if you want to give it a try.
StarTropics 1 and 2 are great and I think they were run in SDA marathons over the last couple years.  Either way yeah they're really neat if you like Zelda-like games, though there's some stuff in them that is just straight up "what the fuck how was I supposed to know this" in the first one.
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Zerviscos on April 08, 2013, 12:40:36 PM
Though warning: have fun actually finding it. :V (Also if you do I have no idea if it runs on modern systems, I ended up running it in a Win98 virtual machine last time I did play it but I'd already set that up for something else so I figured might as well as long as I had it, skipped even trying to run it on Vista.)
...okay, well that goes down my brain toilet. I don't really want to bother looking for "very hard to find" games on the internet. Though if you still have it, can you upload it?
Magical Starsign
Gameplay-wise, it's typical RPG fare, but DAT DAMN STORY!
And practically no-one I know has ever heard of it ;_;
Wow, it looks cute! :yukkuri:
Lemme also drop back in here with a recommendation for King of Dragon Pass. Because it is the (http://i.imgur.com/NLVrD.png) very (http://i.imgur.com/3XIQ4.png) best (http://i.imgur.com/vFWh7.png) game (http://i.imgur.com/6uE2Y.png).

I'm not really the best at describing things but it's sorta of a hybrid between a simulation game and a choose your own adventure. The best recommendation I can give for answering the question of "would I like this game?" is to read the first few game-years of the two (http://lparchive.org/King-of-Dragon-Pass/) fantastic (http://lparchive.org/King-of-Dragon-Pass-%28by-Haifisch%29/) Let's Plays on the archive.

Anyone who does decide they want it, it's available on GOG in its original form, or on iOS in a slightly-updated rerelease which adds some new events and streamlines a few tasks like crop ratios and some tasks 99% of the player base all did the same thing on anyway (always maxing out crafters, removing Children as an option for your magic because actually putting points in it blows and leaves you a mountain of useless mouths to feed, etc.)
It looks like one of those choice-based RPGs.
Actraiser was particularly iconic for its music and interesting village sim element though?  :wat:
Personally I loved the game. It reminded me of old Castlevania on NES(NOT SIMON'S QUEST...I hate that.).
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Anyways, since Dragon's Crown (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv_dlY97RkA) is coming out. I'd have to recommend a Vanillaware game, which really aren't that popular to begin with. It is Odin Sphere (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F98E8MegMfc). It is a very amazing 2D sidescroller RPG, and it was the first game I bought developed by Vanillaware. The story, the art style and gameplay are all rather unique than most RPGs out there. It's like platforming, but less puzzly and it's an RPG. A must-play for JRPG gamers, or atleast people who likes games like these.

Truthfully I missed out the first game, GrimGrimoire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOsW2kzORZw), and bought Odin Sphere first, it was 2 years after that I then knew about GrimGrimoire, and that Vanillaware made the best 2D sidescroller RPGs I played(yes, almost all they made are 2D sidescrollers). I was gonna recommend Princess Crown (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBhn2AZ16o4) but it was a game that was only released in Japan(even the re-release on PSP was only in Japan), so it might be impossible for some people to play it.
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: trancehime on April 08, 2013, 01:08:16 PM
I am not sure it is fair to say that all Vanillaware games are underrated or even implying they are unpopular.

Especially considering that Odin Sphere got 83 on freaking Metacritic, and even GrimGrimoire for all its quirks still got a 79 on the same goddamn place. :V

Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Zerviscos on April 08, 2013, 02:35:20 PM
I am not sure it is fair to say that all Vanillaware games are underrated or even implying they are unpopular.

Especially considering that Odin Sphere got 83 on freaking Metacritic, and even GrimGrimoire for all its quirks still got a 79 on the same goddamn place. :V
I'm not saying they were underrated, but they are pretty overlooked by mainstream gamers.
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Kaze_Senshi on April 08, 2013, 03:09:42 PM
One game that I think that is very underrated is Gruntz. It is an awesome strategy game with great sound effects and music, the game characters are soo charismatic, its humor it's very good with funny parodies and its puzzles are pretty intense and creative, the combination of gimmicks in the scenarios and the tools that each Gruntz can hold could create an almost infinite combination of challenges. Even if all these features it seems that I am the only guy who played this game in my country, I wonder why this game didn't have a continuation :(


(http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/scale_small/3/31999/1126846-40de437a37dac68f906a4f3869ff2927_gruntz.png)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SDNAtMYskc
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Tengukami on April 08, 2013, 03:19:42 PM
This is quickly becoming the "your game isn't obscure enough" thread.
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: t0k on April 08, 2013, 03:26:56 PM
Treasure of the Rudra (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iquOykr_ylw) (Rudra no Hihou) uses a classic Square visual engine ala FF6 and feels similar to it in a lot of ways.  You progress three separate scenarios (and a fourth final one after) which tell the tale of different heroes with different goals during the last 16 days before humanity is apparently going to be 'wiped out' to make way for a new race - though you have the freedom to progress through each tale independantly, they each occur simultaneously, so the plots are neatly interwoven.  On top of great presentation, the game's spell system is truly unique - you actually name the spell and the game creates the spell based on what you wrote - literally anything works!
I was just playing this a few weeks back and I really enjoyed it. I haven't played many JRPGs so it was really a novel experience for me. The music was so good....  :V
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: trancehime on April 08, 2013, 03:27:39 PM
This is quickly becoming the "your game isn't obscure enough" thread.

To be fair, it is mostly me brushing aside the idea that people post titles in this thread because it's not particularly talked about wherever it is they are - certain titles, simply because they are not as well-known as a Final Fantasy game, does not constitute "overlooked" or "underrated" status. >_> Like, the only reason why anyone would consider the original Valkyrie Profile game for the PSX "overlooked" is because it was in limited print, and so it became very rare. Yet, VP: Lenneth is a thing. There was VP2, even, so obviously people cared enough about the first game for it to warrant further games.

If you really must go and say "thread is being ruined or warped" then just dump it all on me and call it a day
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Zerviscos on April 09, 2013, 12:59:55 AM
To be fair, it is mostly me brushing aside the idea that people post titles in this thread because it's not particularly talked about wherever it is they are - certain titles, simply because they are not as well-known as a Final Fantasy game, does not constitute "overlooked" or "underrated" status. >_> Like, the only reason why anyone would consider the original Valkyrie Profile game for the PSX "overlooked" is because it was in limited print, and so it became very rare. Yet, VP: Lenneth is a thing. There was VP2, even, so obviously people cared enough about the first game for it to warrant further games.

If you really must go and say "thread is being ruined or warped" then just dump it all on me and call it a day
Wasn't that the point? I'm pretty sure I meant overlooked by some gamers. It doesn't mean the game you should post should be infamous, or something like that. Just a game that can be overlooked, or games that were pretty underrated that they really deserve to be. I mean, even if I love video games, that doesn't mean I have the time to look for games underneath famous games. Even I miss out some obvious titles that I would just come to know a few years after...even maybe more. I mean, there were also heaps of platforming games I missed out last gen, since there wasn't much any ads, and since GF doesn't update quite easily(some games aren't included).

So yes, VProfile can be considered overlooked if some people didn't even bother to look for it, unless they played the sequels, they will probably look for it. It's like saying Xenogears was overshadowed by Final Fantasy VII, and yet most people I know doesn't even know what Xenogears is. All they know is Xenosaga, and no...they don't even know Xenoblade. Games like these can be considered overlooked for some gamers because they were overshadowed by more famous games. You could also tell that from some games Tales series, and Atelier. Metro 2033 was also overlooked by a lot of people in 2010, and people only knew about it during the Steam ad for the sequel, Metro 2034. Sure you could say you know a lot of people who knows it, but that's just you and people "you know" that really WOULD know it. What about people who doesn't? People who were busy, they would just settle for games from ads/demos, or just a famous franchise instead of looking for awesome games that and wouldn't bother to look for undiscovered gems, which the majority of people in planet earth is.

I'm not saying you should post games that seemingly not a lot of people would know. Just post games like for example the game is in a franchise, and most people know about the games, but there was one game that was overlooked. That's it, just post that game that people wouldn't bother to look unless they were hardcore fans of that certain franchise. Like how Ace Combat games were pretty decent and famous then, but now most of their games are overlooked by most gamers.

Again, it doesn't need to be overly overlooked. Just consider some titles that you think most people just don't know about.
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: trancehime on April 09, 2013, 01:13:17 AM
I guess my issue is that a lot of titles I already had in mind are titles I already expect people to know about >_>
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Edible on April 09, 2013, 02:31:08 PM
I don't really want to bother looking for "very hard to find" games on the internet. Though if you still have it, can you upload it?

This is not a recommended course of action.

Your laziness in piracy is one thing, but asking for or sharing game links is frowned upon here.
Title: Re: [Post here] Underrated and Overlooked Games
Post by: Ghaleon on April 09, 2013, 04:38:47 PM
I almost feel bad wanting to contribute after that but perhaps other people are interested too.

Anyway i never thought the game was overlooked at the time but nowdays im convinced it is...
Ogre battle for the snes/psx, and ogre battle 64 for the n64. I mention them because all i ever hear is tactics ogre this, tactics ovre that, and frankly tactics ogre seemed like juat another tactical rpg to me, ogre battle on the other hand was way more memorable and fun for me.

Extremely obscure, good luck finding it but "odyssey: the legend of nemesis" for macintosh (before imacs were a thing). Very cool rpg with a sweet soundtrack.

Not obscure at all but lots of people havent played the Ys series, dont be one of them. Its a classic and if you like it, you got a whole series of games to look forward to that are all quite similar so no dissapointments for you... Only problem is its damnable platform hopping.

Warlords battlecry 2 is a really cool real time strategy for the pc. I dont like rts games so much but that one is quite unique. With like a dozen different races which are actually quite different, and its own hero system which grants exp to spend on an effton of diff stats BETWEEN games, if you like it youll literally never ever finish building all the races and specs and stuff. Too bad its bgm is like a watered down soundtrack of homm4.

Speaking of homm4.. People hate it cuz its not like homm 2 and 3. But if you play it like it's its (i dont think ive ever naturally said that before...) own game and not part of the series, you may grow to like it... Kinda like advance wars days of ruin.
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Post by: theshirn on April 09, 2013, 04:50:46 PM
HoMM4 and Days of Ruin were both fantastic games (with their own issues, but no worse in that regard than any other game in their respective series) and had awesome soundtracks to boot.
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Post by: Ghaleon on April 09, 2013, 06:42:21 PM
Yeah, i hope i didnt imply it was bad, its just jarri g that WBC2
S soundtrack sounds like its LITERALLY homm4's soundtrack with like... Half the instruments, melodies, etc. its like when one speaker in your headphone dies and everything sounds worse than mono now, kinda like that but not quite.

I also wanna clarify about Ys' platform hopping. I don mean ledge jumping, i mean they cant stick to one damn console/system... Or two, or three... Arghhhh.
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Post by: Zerviscos on April 10, 2013, 03:45:50 AM
This is not a recommended course of action.

Your laziness in piracy is one thing, but asking for or sharing game links is frowned upon here.
Woops, sorry. I thought a private message would be sufficient for the link share. Guess not then...

Speaking of homm4.. People hate it cuz its not like homm 2 and 3. But if you play it like it's its (i dont think ive ever naturally said that before...) own game and not part of the series, you may grow to like it... Kinda like advance wars days of ruin.
I personally disliked it. It's obscure than the older games. Gameplay-wise I mean.
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Post by: Ghaleon on April 10, 2013, 06:58:54 AM
Age of wonders 1 and 2 (and shadow magic, which is like 2+) are great games... kinda like homm only more deep...It's like Homm meets Civilization kinda, where you can build towns, and have more worries regarding income, upkeep, what structures to build next (homm structure building is mostly no brainers really), etc.

AND HOLY SHIT I JUST FOUND OUT that Age of Wonders 3 is supposedly being released THIS fall...that game was an abandoned franchaise I thought, for like 10 effing years.. YESSSS.

BTW, have you played the 2 Lufia games on the SNES? great rpg gems, you may know them as estpolis...Don't play the crummy DS version, holy carp that game insults the original. 2 is more popular than 1, and it's better in many ways, but halfway thru or so the difficulty nosedives hard which kinda sucks... its ancient cave mode is quite addicting though.
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Post by: Edible on April 10, 2013, 02:50:33 PM
Woops, sorry. I thought a private message would be sufficient for the link share. Guess not then...

Asking for it is a bad idea as well.  Like I said, we don't really do the whole game piracy thing here.
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Post by: Error on April 11, 2013, 01:29:15 PM
Rudra no Hihou
Oh, the lewd spells I would come up with...
I feel like the plot kind of fell flat in the final scenario though.
Dune assumes leadership out of nowhere, the few bosses that you faced were easily forgettable, and the ending seemed to imply a sequel that was never released.
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Is this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BktiXC2XDGA) obscure enough?
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Post by: redlakitu on April 11, 2013, 01:57:52 PM
Seconding Tyrian, a brilliant game, perhaps even better than Raptor: Call of the Shadows which was the first shoot'em up game in my life. I think I was seven years old...
Here's something vastly overlooked: two Apogee platformers, Secret Agent and Crystal Caves.  Both incredibly fun games running on a slick engine with lots of potential. Both needed a level editor badly since the original levels were way too easy... and besides, just look at the gameplay!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgcjEcLvAuo

This literally screams for a level editor (which likely would have been very easy and intuitive to use). I can imagine thriving community websites flooded with dozens upon dozens of map packs. But somehow none of this ever happened.
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Post by: Garlyle on April 11, 2013, 03:00:56 PM
Is this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BktiXC2XDGA) obscure enough?
Is that a Three Kingdoms RPG?

By Capcom?

How did I never know about this--WAIT YES I DID I used to see this in my old Nintendo Power magazines all the time but the connection literally just hit me AGES after both that and dynasty warriors??


Anyway, Distorted Travesty (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANbezqdGsfM&t=31m59s) (Wish I could find a video that isn't voiced over or on Beginner)
It's an amateur (not even indie, but amateur) game by one guy who shamelessly borrowed 98% of the game's resources.  And he proceeded to create what is actually an amazing experience in terms of gameplay - simple in theory but super hard to master, and absurdly difficult on the hardest difficulty (I am STILL trying to get through the final area) - but in a way that feels both A) fair (excluding some nonsense platforming at times) and B) is constantly progressing steadily in difficulty, right up until the end.  The spellcasting mechanics offer you a surprising amount of options in combat and the dash system - being a back/forward/air dash with invincibility for most of it - gets you leaping through enemy bullets and flying around the battlefield when you're really playing it right.  It's fucking awesome, obviously free, and there's now actually three games in the series.
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Post by: ZetaBladeX13 on April 11, 2013, 05:25:29 PM
The remake of La-Mulana (http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=93001822) is finally coming out on Steam in a few days. Took forever to get Greenlit since no one seems to know it even exists (unlike say, Cave Story).

Anyone else getting it?
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Post by: Bound on April 11, 2013, 05:43:20 PM
Anyway, Distorted Travesty (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANbezqdGsfM&t=31m59s) (Wish I could find a video that isn't voiced over or on Beginner)
It's an amateur (not even indie, but amateur) game by one guy who shamelessly borrowed 98% of the game's resources.  And he proceeded to create what is actually an amazing experience in terms of gameplay - simple in theory but super hard to master, and absurdly difficult on the hardest difficulty (I am STILL trying to get through the final area) - but in a way that feels both A) fair (excluding some nonsense platforming at times) and B) is constantly progressing steadily in difficulty, right up until the end.  The spellcasting mechanics offer you a surprising amount of options in combat and the dash system - being a back/forward/air dash with invincibility for most of it - gets you leaping through enemy bullets and flying around the battlefield when you're really playing it right.  It's fucking awesome, obviously free, and there's now actually three games in the series.

Seconding this. It can get pretty ridiculous at times
coughthinkandactfastcough
, and the plot kinda peters out halfway in, but it picks up big time near the end. In fact, I'd recommend it if only for the final area, which is a really good example on how to integrate the plot into the gameplay, and the final battle is awesome on its own right as well.

The remake of La-Mulana (http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=93001822) is finally coming out on Steam in a few days. Took forever to get Greenlit since no one seems to know it even exists (unlike say, Cave Story).

Anyone else getting it?

I've been waiting for this one to come out since the wiimake was first revealed what, three years ago now?  :V I tried playing the original, but for some reason the text wouldn't display, which didn't really make the game any easier to play. Can't wait to bash my head against the Sun Shrine again.
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Post by: ZetaBladeX13 on April 11, 2013, 06:51:06 PM
With the original, that was an error I also ran into when I tried playing it on a laptop with windows Vista. The fix had something to do with swapping out image/text files IIRC.

Edit:
http://agtp.romhack.net/pantheon/index.php?topic=150.0
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Post by: Garlyle on April 11, 2013, 10:28:44 PM
The remake of La-Mulana (http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=93001822) is finally coming out on Steam in a few days. Took forever to get Greenlit since no one seems to know it even exists (unlike say, Cave Story).

Anyone else getting it?
The La-Mulana Remake was like #4 or 5 on my "games of the year" list for last year, and I'm willing to buy it again.  It's amazing, and fixes so many of the things that were bad about the original (low communicativeness in the environment, far better gameplay and puzzle difficulty curves, reduction of "how the fuck do you learn that" puzzles) while leaving all the awesome intact.
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Post by: Jack_Kenton on April 16, 2013, 06:52:52 PM
Secret of Evermore. Not what i'd call necessary, but check it out. Made by Squaresoft back when they experimented with new games.

You have a Gamecube? Get Lost Kingdoms and it's sequel Lost Kingdoms 2. Both are excellent Jrpg's. You use cards to battle, and you get a deck of 30. Some cards are monsters that can be used as weapons, some summon monsters that act independently to the field to attack for you, and some are giant area of effect spells such as damage, buffs for your independent monsters, and healing. there are 5 elements and every card has one. They are: Fire, Water,Plant,Earth and no element. 

Pretty much any Tales of Game is well done, but i'm gonna recommend Tales of Destiny/2 and Tales of Symphonia

Grab yourself a copy of Mach Rider for the NES. It's gonna test your reflexes! It's gonna test your patience! And best of all, it's gonna rock your socks off with this wicked chip tune:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQKYXLNGhkM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQKYXLNGhkM) (skip ahead to 1:23 for the actual song).

That's all I got.
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Post by: Zerviscos on April 17, 2013, 03:28:11 PM
Oh, I remembered something on the PS1 recently.
A game called Klonoa. I'm pretty sure it's not famous, 'cause you know it's one of those things where companies try to create famous "mascots". This one is by Namco.

I played the game myself and it was pretty adorable. And when I mean adorable, I MEAN ADORABLE.  :yukkuri:
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Post by: Garlyle on April 17, 2013, 04:55:28 PM
Oh, I remembered something on the PS1 recently.
A game called Klonoa. I'm pretty sure it's not famous, 'cause you know it's one of those things where companies try to create famous "mascots". This one is by Namco.

I played the game myself and it was pretty adorable. And when I mean adorable, I MEAN ADORABLE.  :yukkuri:
Ah, Klonoa!  I should really return to the Wii remake of the original sometime; I've also played two of them that were released on GBA.  And of course it's been referenced a billion times in other Namco RPGs... but yeah, very few people have actually played a Klonoa game.
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Post by: Validon98 on April 23, 2013, 05:19:36 PM
Ah, Klonoa!  I should really return to the Wii remake of the original sometime; I've also played two of them that were released on GBA.  And of course it's been referenced a billion times in other Namco RPGs... but yeah, very few people have actually played a Klonoa game.

I actually played Klonoa 2! I enjoyed the hell out of that game. I would keep doing the levels in Volk City over and over again because I liked them so much. Of course, I did complete the game, but I always enjoyed those levels.
I also remembered an overlooked game that I never hear about much: Engima. I mentioned it in my "what am I playing now" post, but I'll mention it again. It's a hugely expanded remake of a game known as Oxyd, which is an object manipulation game where you control a marble with your mouse in order to activate stones which have colors on them. When all of these stones are activated in pairs of the same color, you win the level. Of course, it's a LOT more complicated than that. It can be found here (http://www.nongnu.org/enigma/). It's free to play, so anyone can give it a shot.

EDIT: Oxyd itself was based on an even older game, Esprit, for the Atari ST 1040. That's one old game. Engima contains all of its and Oxyd's levels, if people were interested in them.
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Post by: Sagus on April 23, 2013, 10:58:04 PM
Dark Legions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Legions) is one of my favorite games. It has literally no story at all (in-game, at least; the manual has a small snippet of a story to contextualiza the matches), but I simply love the gameplay; it's one of those "chess-like" games where you move your pieces on a board, and when two opposing pieces fall on the same square, you switch to a battlefield where you control your piece and must defeat the enemy in real-time combat. It's a bit like Archon (which I also love), but you could actually build your army the way you wanted, choosing from 16 different pieces that had a wide range of powers (the Vampire being my absolute favorite depiction of these monsters in anything ever). You could also but things like special rings to improve the stats of your troops, and traps to litter across the battlefield. They even have a day-to-night cycle (day time weakens undead troops and make living troops stronger, night time does the opposite), and head-to-head multiplayer (unusual for a dos game from that time), although this makes certain units and all traps pretty pointless (unless you order your friend to close their eyes when it's your turn).

It's a pity that this genre of games basically died. There was one for PS1 (Unholy War) and one for the PS2 (Wrath Unleashed), and one chess game that had a game mode with this concept (Battle Chess), and while they were all pretty good (specially Wrath), I really wanted a remake of Dark Legions... or at least a patch to correct some balance issues (nerf the Demon a bit ffs that thing is way to over powered).

It's very easy to run the game using DosBox, and since it's abandonware, you can download it with no problems. You'll also need to download the manual, since everytime you start the game it'll ask for a specific word from somewhere in it before allowing you to play (lol anti-piracy from the 90's), but you can usually find it along with the game for download.

Err, since the game is abandonware it's fine to talk about downloading it, yes?
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Post by: Garlyle on April 24, 2013, 02:02:54 AM
Nyet III: Revenge of the Mutant Stones (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwcB6jyCrD0)

Because how do you make Tetris interesting?  Turn it into a stage-based game where the game actively hates you and wants you to suffer by causing all sorts of ridiculous shit to happen while you're playing, making you play on different preconstructed stages, limiting piece types... etc etc etc. ; succeed and you get money, which you'll be using to buy items that will assist you - hell you have to buy your game saves, so no just retrying single stages until you get lucky!  Oh, and the best part?  the game is free for download legally now (https://sites.google.com/site/nyettetris/nyet-iii).
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Post by: Zirene on April 24, 2013, 05:15:53 AM
Startropics! One of the best NES RPGs I've ever played, and the story line is bat shit crazy. The second one was meh.
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Post by: Gpop on April 24, 2013, 05:52:38 AM
Am I the only one who remembers Tyrian/Tyrian 2000? Got me into shooters, it did. Shame it works so poorly on Windows 7.
HOLY SHIT I had this game on my super old Windows 95 PC (that we have on the garage still). Damn, I played the hell out of that game back when I was a kid. So much destruction to be had everywhere.
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Post by: Ghaleon on April 28, 2013, 04:17:05 AM
Startropics! One of the best NES RPGs I've ever played, and the story line is bat shit crazy. The second one was meh.

I played 1 by borrowing it from a friend...I got hopelessly stuck in the middle of the game.. could NOT figure out where to go next...This was before the internet was a thing, so I couldn't just gamefaqs it or anything.

Anyway, looking back at it, I suppose there's a good chance I got stuck at the "throw your paper in water" part since I never actually had the book or the papers or whatever since I only had the cart cuz friend borrow. I asked him but he said he never really played the game so he didn't know. blah.
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Post by: Zirene on April 28, 2013, 05:32:43 AM
Anyway, looking back at it, I suppose there's a good chance I got stuck at the "throw your paper in water" part since I never actually had the book or the papers or whatever since I only had the cart cuz friend borrow. I asked him but he said he never really played the game so he didn't know. blah.
As soon as you said that you got stuck I knew that's what it was. Luckily my cousin wrote it down and when he gave the game to me as a kid he gave me the code with it. I remember Nintendo Power said they got that question a ton, I'm pretty sure it published somewhere in one or a few of the issues. What a cool but terrible idea, right?
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Post by: Garlyle on April 28, 2013, 08:32:39 AM
As soon as you said that you got stuck I knew that's what it was. Luckily my cousin wrote it down and when he gave the game to me as a kid he gave me the code with it. I remember Nintendo Power said they got that question a ton, I'm pretty sure it published somewhere in one or a few of the issues. What a cool but terrible idea, right?
To be fair, Startropics was full of a lot of "How the hell were you supposed to know this" (pretty much any spot where you were expected to blindly jump into water to make a platform appear was :/ ) but yes.  The manual thing was a major stopping block forever for me too - because my copy didn't come with a manual when I was a kid (it was used) and I only learned it from a Nintendo Power one day.