Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Beyond the Border~ => Akyu's Arcade => Topic started by: Xenomic on October 29, 2012, 08:16:10 AM
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Hopefully this is the right place for this? >_>;;
MUGEN!? What is this madness! But yes, I decided I wanted to do this, and well...I felt like sharing here too, for anyone interested in it. Though since there's no Video function here like anywhere else, you'll have to do with the links instead of videos. Descriptions posted here are also what's in the Video descriptions (and yes, I already changed that horrible screenpack I've been using for 5 years tonight, so that's done and over with...still need to fix it up better though!).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVepvXMiRnA
Daiyousei by Arima
Sunny Milk by Hetyo
I am the one playing as Daiyousei.
Daiyousei is really fun to play as I have to say. Sunny is too, and while originally I wanted Sunny Milk to fight someone else, like Lily White, I decided to go with this. It was originally Daiyousei vs Cirno, but the Soku Cirno I had was broken (it cloned itself massively...), so I went with this instead.
And eventually I'll replace that EVE screenpack...I just need to remember how to change screenpacks ;_;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncjxQSaJ-JU
Koakuma by Som
Patchouli Knowledge by Kurogane
I am the one playing as Koakuma.
My god...I don't recall Kurogane's stuff being so hard to fight! I've attempted this way too many times when trying to record this, and this is the only time I got THIS far. Though I think I didn't get to show off the one super I wanted to show off...pity. Koakuma's pretty fun to play as well, though getting used to setting up her traps and such is kinda...hard? Especially when going from my normal Soku controls to MUGEN controls, which are completely different!
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I take it you'll be giving a Miko Hakurei a spin at some point, given her origins?
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I'll give her a spin at some point I suppose. Just like I'll be giving Tenma a spin...or rather, I'll be fighting Tenma later, as scary as that sounds...
EDIT - I do still need to think of matchups to do. Of note, I'm trying to keep the matchups as closely "related" as possible. Though it seems that some of these stages don't like to work with the blasted thing I'm using atm so...
Current Lineup as of right now:
Daiyousei vs Sunny Milk [DONE]
Koakuma vs Patchouli [DONE]
Mystia vs Kyouko
Shikieiki vs Komachi
Yuugi vs Suika
Nue vs Mamizou
Flandre vs Remilia
Koishi vs Satori
Yuuka vs Mima
Medicine vs Alice
Shanghai vs Marisa
Kanako vs Suwako
Mokou vs Kaguya
Akyuu vs Keine
Kasen vs Miko
Yorihime vs Reisen
Reisen II vs Tewi
Momiji vs Tenma
Rinnosuke vs Yukari
Kogasa vs Sanae
Nazrin vs Shou
Byakuren vs Shinki
Rin vs Utsuho
Chen vs Wriggle
Lily White vs Letty
Minoriko vs Shizuha
Yamame vs Kisume
Hatate vs Aya
Nitori vs Yumemi
So yeah, big list there. Oldies might be fighting more than once (i.e. Koakuma might show up again later) since it's hard to come up with ideas for matchups....
EDIT - List updated and changed a bit.
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Yuugi vs Suika
Nue vs Mamizou
Yuuka vs Mima
Yorihime vs Reisen
Reisen II vs Tewi
Nazrin vs Shou
Byakuren vs Shinki
Awwwww yeaaaah.
/me plunks down and waits eagerly
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There's a good chunk not listed either that I have no idea to do with. They are as follows:
In the actual games:
Yuyuko
Youmu
Iku
Tenshi
Meiling
Sakuya
MUGEN specific
Yuugenmagen
Konngara
Kikuri
Yumemi
Yuki
Gengetsu
Wriggle
Advent Cirno
Ichirin
Hina
Hatate
Rumia (probably not going to use)
Kisume
Yamame
Parsee
Minoriko
Shizuha
Nitori
Lily White/Black
Letty
EX Keine
Kedama
Namazu (if it isn't the joke one)
Murasa
Mugetsu (probably won't use)
Yoshika
Eirin
Quite a bit indeed....@_@;;
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Either Advent Cirno vs Rumia or Advent Cirno vs Utsuho, to determine once and for all who will claim the title of Baka-Empress of Youkaikind. :getdown:
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And some screenshots, so you guys see what's going on:
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x308/Xenomic/MUGEN1.png)
Everything works fine here!
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x308/Xenomic/MUGEN2.png)
And then this happens. You can barely see P1's character, let alone you cannot see P2 anywhere nor can you see what stages you're choosing...I don't know if this screenpack just doesn't like my MUGEN or if it's how Kurogane designed it or what. Not that I'll be seeing it much, aside from probably having to choose stages manually that won't work with MWC such as Kourindou, Chireiden, and such.
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x308/Xenomic/MUGEN3.png)
Courtesy of a friend of mine. However, the only downside is that it overlaps the life whenever it's low, and the blasted special bar is in the way of the cards (of which the EVE screenpack previously had the same problem...). Also, for some reason, some of these stages are REALLY bloated up in size...and I don't know why. Either it's just how they're made, my screenpack, or....I don't know!
So yeah, that's that. Any suggestions on that bit would be welcomed!
Also, list has been updated as I've reworked it a bit, so see my previous post on that!
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Looks like Dai's a sorta-edit of Len/WLen from Melty. I recognized the vanishing tricks, and that flip-kick that had the ball following it.
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I wouldn't know mostly due to never playing Melty Blood :S
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Here, give this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO6uSKJmWn4) a look.
Lotta moves from Dai's pool can be originally found here, like her spin move.
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Ah, interesting. And really, I think it's rather fitting too. Too bad I couldn't figure out how to make use of her other specials that she has...I know she has a Light Arrow type super, but I don't know how to use it :S
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHWpoiAGVmk
Mystia Lorelei by Minoo
Kyouko Kasodani by Minoo
I am the one playing as Mystia.
Minoo's characters are really fun to play as! The only downside is that they lack in AI, as you can see from Kyouko here...I know there's AI patches for them, but I dread to think of how much buffed they got made...if anyone knows, care to tell me??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Unnuz0AG0U
Shikieiki Yamaxanadu by nemnin
Komachi Onozuka by Mikage
I am the one playing as Shikieiki.
Shikieiki feels...very weird. As though she's not FULLY complete, if that makes sense? Also, a lot of her moves don't seem...very Shikieiki like?? I dunno...at least her supers are her actual spellcards. Also, is it just me, or does Mikage's AI not that good as well? Maybe they have AI patches too? But again, how buffed up are they??
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Truth be told, I've been looking into getting into Mugen, and I think Dai would be a great first addition once I do get it.
Mystia seems almost like she's...I dunno, missing something. She doesn't have that feel that Dai gives off.
Koa looks like she'd be fun to use though. I'll have to look into getting her too.
Fun fact: Eiki's voices? Ciel's. Also from Melty! As heard here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbqaak52pjc).
Interesting, no? She also seems to play slightly like her, according to the video.
Either way it goes though, I'm definitely adding the touhou girls to the roster first off. Wonder how long it'll take for the download? :dragonforce:
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Most don't take that long to download really, unless they're super huge in filesizes. Most tend to be roughly 2-20 MB, if that.
Mystia plays more like Wolverine than anything else, and the AI patch I heard for her makes her spam her Berserker Barrage type move over and over and over...I'll be talking about AIs later on (tomorrow's videos is a prime example of the kind I think are bull and shouldn't exist at all. Kurogane's is frustrating yes, but it's still doable. Nachel's? Not acceptable at all I think. I hate AI that reads inputs and counters perfectly, I really do...).
On a sidenote, uploading 2 vids right now, so will post those in a few. I did do 5 more vids today, and well...that's where the issue of AI comes into play (AI patches in particular), but again, I'll get to that when I get to that. Just note the particular fight that it's in, and well...yeah...
Koakuma and Daiyousei are both really fun IMO, and I did figure out how to use more of Daiyousei's supers too (apparently a button I wasn't using at all was what was needed for her Light Arrow type super and Kamehameha type super). Still need to see all of Koakuma's though...I didn't get to show off her 22B/C grab or 22B/C grab Super at all :<
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yywDLCfcp54
Yuugi Hoshiguma by Minoo
Suika Ibuki by Aotsuki
I am the one playing as Yuugi.
Yuugi is the hit hard and hit fast kind of character, which you kinda need for this kind of fight. Unfortunately, due to the lack of grazing, she can't win this fight at all. Once you hit that specific spellcard, good luck...you're not doing it. Suika's actually rather fun to fight I think, moreso than Kurogane's stuff (and moreso than Nachel's).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksKlfzZic2Y
Nue Houjuu by Suneo
Mamizou Futatsuiwa by Minoo
I am the one playing as Nue.
I dunno...there's something weird about how fast Nue's 214 attack hits. Everything else seemed fine to me though with her! And once again, we get to see the lack of AI in Minoo's characters, but from what I've been told, the AI patches for his characters are a bit...retarded. As in, you get no chance to do anything at all. You'll hear me talk about AIs in the next video description a bit, but you'll really hear more about AI patches in a later video description.
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So, for the bit that's got all the touhous you have, how big a filesize are we talking?
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Well, considering I have like....a lot of different versions of various Touhous and whatnot because there's quite a few...let's see...my character folder is 5.63 GB. Again though, this is because I have a lot of different characters and whatnot, so keep that in mind. The largest one I've seen so far I think is Pikapon's Tewi, and that's because he puts a lot of stuff in that. Unzipped that thing is 86.6 MB...
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Okay, large enough to be hefty, but small enough on a newer rig to not be a problem, eh?
Well, seems like things are gonna be looking up for me once I get my new laptop sometime by the year's end.
(Because like hell I'm upgrading to 8 so soon after release, when 7's still a perfectly viable OS.)
I am going to have so much stuff to kill time with once that rolls around. :dragonforce:
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Aye. For someone like me, that 5 GB is a killer (I only have like 140 GB space on this computer, and 50% of that is taken up by other things), so I'm forced to keep all of my MUGEN stuff on my external (yay for 1 TB external!), since I do have more than just Touhou characters and stages and whatnot.
On a sidenote, tonight's fights is where you'll probably be hearing me griping about AIs hardcore. And well, once you see the vids, you'll understand why. The Flandre vs Remilia fight literally took me 1-2 hours to do, because I kept redoing it. Again, I don't mind tough AI, but mind-reading AI is a no-no, and getting a good video out of THAT is really hard. It was hard enough to get a decent video against Suika and Patchouli, and those aren't even mind-reading AIs...
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Makes sense. I have an external myself because of a little incident with my old laptop where I needed to save stuff, and it was gonna be too expensive to have the repair folks do it for me.
(Turns out the OS broke kinda. I didn't find this out until after all was said and done. Oh well, learn from your mistakes and all that jazz!)
Wow, so they were borderline MK Walker+SNK Boss, eh?
Fun. /sarcasm
But then again, I do enjoy a big challenge, and I think most of the difficulty against those two was due to the characters you had.
Koa - Setup Type, requires a little work to go 100%. And against a spammy type, will have trouble.
Yuugi - Rushdown Type with no Graze ability, against a similar rusher with numerous grazable attacks.
On another note, how difficult is it to actually make a character? Because I've got a few concepts in mind from watching some of these vids.
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Well, all of Kurogane's characters (Patchouli, Yuyuko, Reimu, Youmu, Yukari, etc.) by default are on Lunatic difficulty (you can adjust it to Normal, Lunatic, or Phantasm in the Options file), so there's also that. Though I can accept Kurogane's stuff being difficult, if it's like that in IaMP. I never played IaMP so no idea how tough those AIs really are. And Aotsuki's I'd assume are the same way (though I see no AI adjuster on his stuff). Just yeah, SNK boss syndrome (or SNK Boss Syndrome+ in this case, because those AIs tend to spam things moreso than read you I think).
Yeah, I didn't really set up with Koakuma at all with her books, which seemed to be one of her biggest offense. I probably should've at least tried to use those more often, but then again, that'd assume I wasn't being bombarded by attacks. And the fact that all of these lifebars I'm using seem to hide the cards, that doesn't help matters at all either...
Yuugi's only problem is the lack of grazing aye, but luckily that wasn't TOO big of an issue until that one spellcard at the end (and even if I did beat that, I'd still have Pandemonium to go through, and I don't think Yuugi would've been able to do it).
The Yuuka I was using had a similar problem to Yuugi, though she plays a lot differently, and I was using a year old version instead of the latest (oops!), so she didn't even have a dash or graze. Felt a bit spammy in her fight against Mima, but I had no choice in THAT fight....Mima was hellava aggressive like you wouldn't believe @_@;;
As for making a character? You'd have to know the inner workings of MUGEN, and that requires time to learn. It's like teaching yourself how to learn coding a game and whatnot...so basically, it all comes down to how well you understand and can make complicated coding and whatnot.
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Ugh, that's gonna take a while then. Well, good thing there's the internet to help with that!
You probably should've updated your Yuuka though, if there's a new version out. Probably woulda made the fight a lot easier.
But ah well, some characters just don't do too well against others. That's a fact of life, the universe, and everything. (Not to be confused with the ANSWER to all that, which is 42.)
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Actually, I think the dash made the fight against Mima HARDER, simply because Yuuka has nothing to attack with out of her grazing. Especially considering that Mima is full-on Soku/SWR style, and plays like it too (think of a Marisa, but a BETTER Marisa. That's how her gameplay is...and she's not afraid to just punch away your guard, mind you!).
Yeah, that's true. Much like how the aforementioned Koakuma and Yuugi didn't fare too well against who they fought (well, Yuugi did a lot better than Koakuma...), Yuuka was at a disadvantage. And I dread to think of how the Rinnosuke vs Yukari fight is going to go, since Yukari is also by Kurogane...@_@;;
On top of that, there's still Tenma and Hakurei Miko both to go through, as well as Gengetsu at some point. Those 3 alone are terrifying to even think about. ;__;
I do plan on some point to actually SHOW off the characters, as in what they're capable of doing (like I only showed 2 of Yuuka's 5-6 supers for instance, and I think I showed off maybe 1-2 of Koakuma's spellcards and 1 alt skill? I don't know...I didn't get a chance to show off that much...). That's IF the demand is high enough for that though, since I AM using FRAPs to record (and FRAPs filesizes are terrible even at half-size...takes 1 hour for a 8 minute video to convert....;_;)
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Well, if you gotta, downgrade the difficulty for Yukari so you at least have a chance at winning. (Because that's how Spellcard Duels work yo, they give both parties an equal shot at winning. But you probably already knew that.)
But still, that Mima sounds like it might be right up my alley, given my decent-ness with Marisa in Soku.
Just more stuff to add to the eventual roster, eh?
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Hoho....I myself haven't played Soku in months, but I've been feeling the urge to play it a bit. Just nobody to play with (yeah yeah, I could go to IRC and whatnot, but don't feel like playing people on there).
I guess I'm just used to fighting hard AIs and whatnot, since that's what I do in every fighting game ever, and do fine against those (Soul Calibur II Ultra Hard AI is just silly. Guard Impacts all day long from both sides, and a single fight takes like 10-20 minutes just to finish...). But if I must, I will since I know she'll have her IaMP spellcards (and I have no idea if Rinnosuke, or any of KON's characters for that matter, have graze or dash at all. :S )
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Despite being okayish with Marisa, I actually play best with Remilia. That kinda character with a mix of agressiveness and confusing is the kinda character I play best.
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Mayhaps we should play sometime, if you have direct IP connection or something~ I tend to play best with Reimu/Suika/Komachi~
In any case, I haven't recorded anything today. Felt like taking a break, and since today involves one of Pre-To's characters, and like 2-3 Kurogane's, I felt it'd be a good idea to do so, since ya know, last couple days have been utterly frustrating with a few fights ^^;
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Eh, I used to use hamachi. Or more recently, Soku Lobby.
But yeah, if you gotta take a break, you gotta take a break. That's just how it goes man.
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I have Soku Lobby luckily, so I could always use that. Hamachi I used to use but then Hamachi got lame...
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Yeah, only 5 to a room for unregistered users? Screw that.
Anyhow, we'll have to give it a go sometime. Maybe tomorrow.
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Perhaps tomorrow~ Assuming that we can connect and that it doesn't lag too terribly bad~ I'm probably going to be super rusty though, just a forewarning lol...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeSqDNQJLhk
Flandre Scarlet by Kurogane
Remilia Scarlet by Nachel
Stage: Garden of Sorrow
Music: Septette For the Dead Princess by Takashi
Ho boy...this is an example of a no-no AI. Nachel's AI practically button reads your inputs and counters perfectly, like...every time. Go to attack at any time? Get hit by Demon Lord Cradle or Red the Nightless Castle/Scarlet Devil. Go to use a projectile? Get hit by Demon Lord Walk. And then there's other things that are just what. I don't MIND hard AI, like Kurogane's, but this is just no. I COULD have easily just gimped the entire fight by abusing Lavaeteinn in the corner every time I knocked Remilia down, but I wanted this to be somewhat interesting!
Also, that Starbow Break may or may not have been lucky. Since again, I can't see what cards I have...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJqRbk0KyK8
Koishi Komeiji by Chiguma
Satori Koemiji by Hetyo
Stage: Chireiden by Luneth
Music: Satori Maiden ~ 3rd Eye by t=Node
Again, Hetyo's characters don't have much AI, but Satori there was trying her hardest darnit! I'm not sure if I have the right version of Koishi either, since it says there's other moves she can do, but I couldn't do them (or I was doing them dumb...). In any case, Koishi does have one other super, which is a close-range attack, but I decided to stick with Release of the Id since as you can see, it's kinda insanely good.
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Wow, that fight against remi.
As Raocow would say, "That is just nutbars."
That's the sort of pressure game I strive for in my remi play.
That Satori and Koishi match was pretty interesting though.
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You'd literally have to read every input to play like that really. Because that's what that AI does is read your input and counters perfectly. Much like how this Marisa with an AI patch later does against Shanghai. And truth be told, NOBODY is that perfect, I don't care WHO you are! You'd have to be a full-bodied machine to do that all the time! I mean yeah, I LIKE tough fights and whatnot, but that was just ridiculous to fight against...
Luckily, again you can cheese those AIs hardcore (like again with Remi, Flan can just Lavaeteinn her to death and back because she'll read the B/C buttons as "bullets", when they're melee instead, and will always try to Demon Lord Walk upon wake-up). I prefer Kurogane's AIs again, mostly because they're legit tough, like how an actual person would probably play (i.e. that Patchouli) as well as Aotsuki's AIs, (i.e. that Suika). And truth be told, I got lucky to even beat Remilia thanks to that random Starbow Break that I didn't know was Starbow Break lol....
Satori really wanted to rush down there in the 2nd round or something, but for some reason Koishi didn't take any damage it seemed, which seemed...odd considering that mad rushdown. Tonight's fight is another one that spurns crazy, since it's Yuuka vs Mima, followed by Medicine vs Alice. I really wish I used nemnin's Alice Dolls though, because it's a really neat version of Alice (I'll fight it or use it at another point in time, just to show it off).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQQXBANzRmg
Yuuka Kazazmi by Moiky
Mima by barai&harudi
Stage: Mugenkan by Luneth
Music: Complete Darkness (don't have the author's name)
Wow...even though I'm using an outdated Yuuka (a year old Yuuka at that), she's mighty powerful if you can get her special up. But that's the thing...you HAVE to get that up. Otherwise, she's not going to do anything. And with Mima being super aggressive, well...that's kinda hard to do. You can utilize the laser to keep knocking Mima down, since she seems to like it so much, and then charge up...
In other news, this Yuuka, unlike the current one, didn't have any dash or grazing. Hence, there was nothing I could do against the onslaught of bullets. The new one has this, but she has nothing to attack out of dashing...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzR4YItgSg0
Medicine Melancholy by cabbage
Alice Margatroid by Atusi
Stage: Garden of the Sun by Luneth
Song: Doll Judgment ~ The Girl Who Played With People's Shapes (don't have author name)
Medicine is a full-on Soku-styled character it seems, though she's a bit awkward to use. She's really flighty and a lot of her moves require specific positioning to get out right. Still, doesn't matter much as they're all nice, and the poison does deal damage over time. I know she has more supers, but I wasn't able to do them (and the counter super is easiest to do).
I was originally using Mikage's Alice, but I wanted to have something with SOME AI, so I went with ATUSI's. I COULD have gone with Aotsuki's, but ehhhh...didn't want to deal with story mode spellcards!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3T5dTdpMuw
Shanghai by Souki
Marisa Kirisame by Fruele, with AI patch
Stage: Marisa's House
Music: Vessel of Stars ~ Casket of Stars by Golden City Factory
You remember when I said Remilia's AI was bad because it mind-read? Well...this AI originally didn't. In fact, the original AI was terrible, and so I gave it this AI patch. And it became....THIS thing. This was not a fun fight at all, simply because if she could, she WOULD counter anything with the appropriate thing. In fact, you'll see that even when I'm NOT near her, she'll attempt to do counters (such as while I'm doing the Spinner Doll, she'll try to Broomryuken, even though I'm nowhere near her).
Shanghai is pretty fun to use actually, even if she is limited to just the Shanghai-type attacks that Alice uses. Still fun though! Wanted to show off that level 3 super, but Marisa stuffed it ;_;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAsoZ5hs9m8
Kanako Yasaka by RicePigeon
Suwako Moriya by Mikage
Stage: Last Blade Shrine
Song: Suwa Foughten Field & Native Faith by ????
I like how you can choose the spellcards at the start instead of being limited to specific spellcards throughout the match, much like Minoo's characters, though I think it'd be interesting to do something like what Som did with his Koakuma and have 4 different preset decks. But oh well!
Again, Mikage's AI is terrible, but there's really no other Soku-styled Suwako, so I was forced to use this one. I wanted to at least get BOTH a specific intro AND specific win in, but I only got the win in. Ah well~
In other news, it might be a bit before I feel like recording more MUGEN. I did record 6 Soku vids, if you guys would like me to post them here to tide you over until the next set of MUGEN vids? Up to you!
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Now that Kanako is a pretty neat one. I like the Shun Goku Satsu element that Mishaguji always carries. Kanako just makes it more badass, because you can hear a snap sound before the hits start coming. So I can only assume she snapped her fingers to signal the funtimes.
And then there was the winpose. Suwako outta nowhere! :]
But if you wanna up a few soku vids, then go for it. I should do that sometime meself.
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Well, I'll just post these couple Soku vids for now. There'll be more to upload later, but that'll be when I have nothing else to upload. I HAVE 4 MUGEN vids right now, but they'll take a while to convert cuz FRAPs (and I took like an hour or 2 to fight Tewi...whom while she doesn't mind-read like Remilia or Marisa with the AI patch, she's still terrible to fight against, but I'll go over that when I upload it).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g-s92hd8iw
CIRNO IS STILL THE STRONGEST!!!
This was a match from last night, one of the few that I played with a few people after not playing in months. No, I'm not back...just something to upload for ya'll to watch. I COULD still play if people wanted to play, but they'd either have to have Direct Hosting or something...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0W_wd7bC-Q
One of the few matches I had with this person on Soku Lobby. Of note, out of the 4 Cirno fights, I think this is the only one I actually won with her. Don't ask WHAT happened in the others ones...either I became a baka playing, or Aoko got smarter with Remilia, or a combination of the two. *Shrugs*
Aoko's not a bad Remilia player either. Some really neat combos, though in my personal opinion, him auto-piloting those combos is what gets him hurt so much in these fights. But that's me so...
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3 new vids in backstock now, and lemme just say now that 2 of the 3 fights took many, MANY attempts. Akakedama's Sanae isn't bad to fight against, since the AI is kinda...odd, but my GOD .Dat's Yumemi was a major pain in the ass to fight. Like I consider her WORSE than Tewi to fight, even though with her I could at least HIT her sometimes unlike that rabbit. Doesn't help that she has so many air unblockable stuff either. And then there was his Nazrin, which was actually a LOT more fightable than Yumemi, though rough to fight (at least Shou had grazing, which is odd since it was Minoo's, unless he added grazing to the later Touhous he made...). But more on those later whenever those are uploaded! I'm kinda going out of order of the list now, just doing whatever, but I have the remaining set of characters in my MUGEN already, ready to go whenever. Gonna have a blast fighting some of them (luckily I'm not fighting .Dat's Yamame and instead using her, but I wonder how Kisume is going to be...).
I'll be uploading a couple more Soku vids here in a few in this post, so look for that later. After tomorrow, I'll be uploading more of these fights. Let's just say, you shouldn't be disappointed with some of these fights.
I could not fight Yumemi at Probability Space Hypervessel, as the stage for some reason refused to even be recognized by my MUGEN sadly ;__;
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I'll just put it here~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL0zDn4y_Qc
I'm honestly surprised that I still have it in me with Reimu. In all of the fights with Aoko with her, and some afterwards and before, my Reimu's pressure was pretty top notch I'd say. I honestly don't even recall if I lost any matches the entire night with her (I know I lost some rounds though).
I also think Reimu is anti-Remilia too. That j.5a pretty much shuts Remilia's air game down a lot...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8seeUC1aijc
I honestly don't know WHAT happened with Suika that night. For some reason, she just wasn't working out for me. Or maybe Aoko outplayed her. Either way, I think I could've done a lot better with her, but oh wells! At least she did a LOT better than Komachi did...
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3 more vids in backstock (go die Shinki), so getting closer to getting these out of the way! In other news, have a couple more Soku vids to tie you over with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUNlmKSHH9g
Please keep in mind that this dates back to February, when I last actually played a lot of Soku. Also, this is the LAST fight we did...I honestly don't know WHAT I was trying to accomplish in this fight. I already knew that everytime I jumped, he would use 3a, but I did it anyways...it's a sharp contrast to the FIRST fight we had (and several other fights between those)...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wJcAYDdzJI
Contrary to the other video, this was the FIRST match we had. And for some reason, I did a LOT better in this than in the last match. I dunno...my playstyle tends to be awkward and weird from time to time...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-AfpcOevW0
Fujiwara no Mokou by Isu
Kaguya Houraisan by G-Sho
Music: Legend of Hourai by C-CLAYS
One shall stand...one shall fall...all however will be lost regardless of the victor...
It's as though they were perfectly made for one another. On another note, without the AI patch, Kaguya's AI is dumb. With it? It becomes this, which is actually fun to fight -I- think. Feels more Touhou-ish than it would've been otherwise!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIaj51g8-HI
Hieda no Akyuu by Neneco
Keine Kamishirasawa by Minoo
Music: Plain Asia by dBu
Akyuu is pretty fun, though I wonder if her "super" can be used at any time...because it sure felt like it. If so, then something feels off there as it could just be spammed over and over. I wonder if the AI or any AI patches abuses this fact...
Keine was actually rather aggressive, which is a surprise since it's Minoo's creation, and they generally DON'T have good AI. She seemed rather interesting~
On a sidenote, I have already recorded the remaining fights. These are the next ones to be done on the list now:
Hina (Minoo) vs Nitori (Minoo)
Mima (barai) vs Yuugenmagen (Kurogane)
Reimu (Nachel) vs Konngara
Gengetsu (Pre-To) vs Yuuka (Moiky)
Murasa (Minoo) vs Nue (Suneo)
Nazrin (.DAT) vs Ichirin
Parsee (Hetyo) vs Yuugi (Minoo)
Meiling vs Rumia
Keine (Minoo) vs Eirin (Minoo)
Lunasa (Minoo) vs Mystia (Minoo)
Youmu vs Yoshika (Moiky)
The ones still not introduced into the series as of yet are as follows:
In the actual games:
Yuyuko
Iku
Tenshi
Sakuya
MUGEN specific
Kikuri
Yuki
Advent Cirno
EX Keine
Kedama
Namazu (if it isn't the joke one)
Mugetsu (probably won't use)
So yeah....there's that! It goes up to video 29 btw, if that tells you how much I've put into backstock. I have other videos to upload as well if I run out of these videos, so if you don't hear from me in this topic, that's probably what's up.
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http://youtu.be/ScvaZpbHehA
Watatsuki no Yorihime by Minoo
Reisen Udongein Inaba by Shiroto
Stage: Sky Shrine
Music: Lunatic Red Eyes ~ Invisible Full Moon by ????
Don't be fooled by it being just Reisen. This one isn't your run-of-the-mill Touhou version. It's in fact based on Melty Blood gameplay, and it's rather lethal up close. Away? Well...seems she likes to spam Eyesight Cleaning a lot for whatever reason, so if you REALLY want to cheese her out, you can just hit her during that attack.
Yorihime is far and away the cheapest out of Minoo's stuff, solely for the fact that she hits REALLY hard if you combo into her special attacks. Fitting, considering how she is in canon. Still, she doesn't have graze, which really hampers her as she need to get in close to do any real damage.
http://youtu.be/cYTGcfuEg2A
Reisen II by Minoo
Tewi Inaba by Pikapon
Stage: Slayer's Castle
Song: Cinderalla Cage ~ Kagome-Kagome by Ezel-Ash
Reisen II is best played as keep-away from what I'm gathering. Not to say that she can't duke it out face-to-face, but her bullets and her special ability to give herself some power by cocking her gun is best suited for keep-away. However, Tewi here has other things to say about that. I LIKE the ideas behind it and all, I really do, but in the end, it's ridiculous to fight. AI WILL spam stuff that you can't do jack about, ESPECIALLY when Eirin is summoned and traps you. Either you're getting Guitar Thrown, or getting Hole Thrown. And that Hole can be used anywhere on the screen, which makes fighting Tewi even MORE annoying. That, and she has a tendency to button-read and counter perfectly. Want to cheese her? Apparently she spams the same combo in the corner a lot, so there's that...
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http://youtu.be/QEV50_RXMlk
Kogasa Tatara by Minoo
Sanae Kochiya by Akakedama
Stage: Moriya Shrine
Music: Faith is for the Transient People by Discord Registrers
Don't ask why the voice patch didn't work. I honestly don't know...
Anywho, Kogasa is a pretty viable fighter I have to say. She has pretty good close-range capabilities, and at least half-decent long-range capabilities (the umbrella move and the umbrella laser both are good). Though I don't know if she has graze or not...
This was the third Sanae I tried I believe? I tried RicePigeon's, but the AI was kinda not there, and the same with another Sanae I tried. Same...would've liked to have tried fighting em with AI. That's not to say that this one was too difficult to fight...but oh well! I'm sure there's AI patches for em all.
http://youtu.be/_QwKEx1E_vQ
Nitori Kawashiro by Minoo
Yumemi Okazaki by .DAT
Stage: The Untrodden Path by Luneth
Music: Strawberry Crisis!! by ????
Crisis in-freaking-deed. Yumemi is what we would call SNK Boss Syndrome, and not in a good way. While I LIKE how .DAT handled his characters, the AIs are just annoying as balls to fight. Yumemi has a LOT of anti-air attacks (as in, you're NOT blocking them in the airs, including a super that she WILL use the moment you are airborne), will almost combo you for 1/4-1/2 your life in one combo, will ALWAYS hit you if you're knocked down with those exploding cars, and if she gets you in the corner? You might as well quit. No, seriously. Unless you HAVE someone that can counter her, which Nitori doesn't, you're done. Jump? Genocide Cutter. Attack? Instant counter with super. Stand there? She will literally just STAND there, waiting for you to do anything at all. I can't stress how long this one single fight took me to actually do. Originally, I WASN'T going to try to win, but after a bit, I decided, screw it, I'm going to try to beat her because she's a jerkface.
Nitori is one of the more unique, and probably harder, characters to use from Minoo, simply for the fact that EVERYTHING she does with her specials requires some amount of power. If you have NO power to do specials, you're going to have a tough time as she NEEDS her specials to get in to do any damage. To top it off, ALL of her special attacks CAN be nullified simply by destroying whatever she sets up. Truly a challenge indeed, but really unique.
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http://youtu.be/RvwDqbjXk1Q
Shou Toramaru by Minoo
Nazrin by .DAT
Stage: Mittlebirge Castle
Music: The Tiger-Patterened Bishamonten by TatshMusicCircle
Despite the song name, it's really fighting against Nazrin. And boy, what a challenge she is! She's still pretty tough, but unlike Yumemi, she's a lot more fairer to deal with. Still can combo like a beast though, so be wary of getting in close to her! In addition, she likes to counter air attempts with her gold lasers, and when far away, she'll toss pendalums at you.
Shou is a pretty big powerhouse, especially if she ever manages to get in. Unlike most of Minoo's creations, Shou can graze, which makes dealing with Nazrin easier (unless it's Nazrin herself that gives the graze property??). Her dial A combo though WILL leave her wide open, so use with discretion. As you can see in this video, it's after the 2nd hit that leaves her vulnerable to being attacked, so try to chain into her poking spear move (avoid using the dash back, rush forward spear move though...that tends to get Shou punished quite a bit).
Gotta love that start though~
http://youtu.be/Qs09XYMJNXU
Momiji Inubashiri by Minoo
Aya Shameimaru by Aotsuki
Tenma by Pre-To
Stage: The Waterfalls of Nine Heavens by Luneth
Music: Awakening Wolf's Instincts
Yeah...I'll just let the video speak for itself. It's actually 2 videos in one so...if THAT says anything...
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http://youtu.be/beP-zPfG2u4
Rinnosuke Morichika by KON
Yukari Yakumo by Kurogane
Stage: Kourindou by Luneth
Music: Necrofantasia by O-Life Japan
For being a joke character, Rinnosuke is pretty fun and unique. He's a rather silly fighter...he doesn't dash, but he does have graze. Except in the air...and then there's all of those supers, including one where he can damage himself with. And who can't love but throwing TVs at people!
Yukari was put on the absolute EASIEST AI setting....and well...this is what happened. Rinnosuke just can't deal with these types of characters because he's not built TO deal with them. But what can ya expect? He's a shopkeeper, not a fighter!
http://youtu.be/htHRXw8EiEo
Byakuren Hijiri by Gomashio
Shinki by Kurogane
Music: Legendary Illusion ~ Infinite Being by O-Life Japan
And what a fight this is! This actually took quite a few attempts, and I even changed the AI to various settings, and either it got TOO easy, or it was ridiculous. Eventually, I left it on its hardest difficulty, and this is the closest I got to even beating her. Darn!
Byakuren plays much like your standard Soku character, though her C bullet is kinda...a bit much? That's an awful lot of projectiles at once, but they don't actually seem that dense so maybe it's not much of a problem. She has a lot of nice moves too, though her 623 Tiger Knee doesn't seem THAT useful...unless it's a reversal of some kind...I didn't even get to show off the spellcards that I'd like to...but oh well! That'll be for later.
Shinki is terribly difficult to fight. As you can see from the video, she hits hard AND fast, and she loves to spam the Saint Elmo's Pillar move a lot. Worst thing about that is it actually BECOMES Patchouli's spellcard when upgraded even once, so it's pretty evil. And she can upgrade all of her skillcards extremely quickly with a spellcard, so there's that. Oh...and you don't WANT to know how terrifying her spellcards are, you really don't....
On a sidenote, do you guys rather me upload 1 vid per day, or continue with 2? On another note, I finished up the list of fights up above...so I'm not sure WHAT to do now after that. I COULD do non-Touhou stuff, but that seems boring! Or I could show off everything a specific character can do...that isn't from IaMP/Soku/SWR? Such as Yumemi, Yamame, Byakuren, etc.? Up to you guys!
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http://youtu.be/czfNEY8zGVI
Chen by Gomashio
Wriggle Nightbug by Minoo
Stage: Bamboo Forest of the Lost Night
Music: Stirring an Autumn Moon ~ Mooned Insect by dBu
Chen plays very much like Blanka, if you haven't noticed by her one skillcard image. She's a pretty solid character and is really fun to play with. There's not much to say in the way of her. Same for Wriggle, though surprisingly she was putting up a fight...wasn't expecting that at all.
http://youtu.be/YxKDEodWm88
Lily White by Hetyo
Letty Whiterock by Nemnin
Stage: CVS Kamuikotan
Music: Crystallized Silver by Dark Phoenix
This is an outdated Lily White, as she just got updated with new sprites and new moves. It KINDA felt like she was unfinished in this version, as it didn't feel like she had all of the moves that she should've had, but she's still fun to play as. Although that air combo is pretty hellish if the opponent can't counter it...
Letty is...well...subpar. This IS Nemnin we're talking about here, and his characters aren't exactly known for being super good or anything. The AI was not there, that's for sure...
In other news, do you think I'm doing a good enough job with these videos? Am I showing off the characters well enough at all? Are the fights good enough? Do let me know if I need to improve anything! I try to keep the fights as entertaining as possible (though sometimes that may cost me my sanity a little bit, just saying~).
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Chen certainly looks nice! Wriggle seems well-made too. Overall, you've been doin' pretty good.
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You'll be seeing more of that Chen here tonight, seeing as I got a special request to fight it with Yukari, as it has a fun storymode segment to it.
http://youtu.be/5GHgf4tZh94
Rin Kaenbyou by Hetyo
Utsuho Reiuji (originally by Biyo) by Aonashi
Stage: Nuclear Reactor
Music: Nuclear Fusion by t=Node
I tried to make this as epic as possible. I did this originally with Biyo's Utsuho, but she didn't have any good AI at all. This one however does, and this was a really fun fight. Rin is a pretty neat character, though I'm not entirely sure on what her 623/236 (I forget which input it was now) Zombie Fairy move is supposed to do...I must be missing something on this bit. though her needle attack that pulls in the opponent is pretty nifty. Especially if they're hit by it, which leaves em open to a good beating if you're close enough.
This Utsuho is one of the original Utsuhos before Soku came out, and probably one of the best sprited ones out there (even better than the Soku Utsuho I'd say). She's pretty damn fast too compared to her Soku version, and can chain combos like a beast. Also, I think I like her C bullet type attacks here more than in Soku...
This may or may not be an attempt to recreate an idea I once had for Touhou Fantasy at a particular scene...
http://youtu.be/ByyMeIOGUOI
Yukari Yakumo by Gu
Chen by Gomashio
Stage: Hakurei Shrine Boundary (IaMP)
Music: Diao Ye Zong by dBu
On request of Nanshi1337, I did this video. I was told that Chen had a storymode much like in IaMP/SWR/Soku, and that it was actually fun, so I decided to give it a whirl. Turns out, it is pretty fun, if pretty easy due to the lack of AI in Chen. Still, that doesn't distract from how fun the spellcards were. Not overly ridiculous like what you normally see (I dread to see how Kurogane's Flandre's storymode spellcards probably are, if she has them...). Oh, and this Yukari? I chose this one because I wanted something similar to SWR/Soku...I'm much more comfortable with that playstyle than IaMP.
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http://youtu.be/_oCHfv5iHrM
Hatate Himekaidou by Nemnin
Aya Shameimaru by Aotsuki
Stage: Youkai Mountain
Music: Wind Circulation ~ Wind Tour by dBu
There was no way for me to win with Hatate. I have a feeling this is a very old version of her, but my god it's so stiff and bad. Unique idea though...but it doesn't work out too well here.
http://youtu.be/3Wm1Ep3Za8s
Yamame Kurodani by .DAT
Kisume by kita
Music: The Dark Blowhole by Ezel-Ash
Yamame is actually really fun to play as, much like .DAT's Nazrin was. However, I dread to think of how her AI is to fight against...and I don't know if I have an outdated version, or if she doesn't have that many moves or what, but it feels like she's missing things. Oh well...also, Shungokusatsu much?
Kisume looks like she'd be neat to play with (no pervertedness intended), though her AI is kinda meh at best.
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http://youtu.be/l2b97Ig8cKI
Aki Minoriko by Moiky
Aki Shizuha by stel2
Stage: The Untrodden Path by Luneth
Music: A God That Misses People ~ Romantic Fall by Kota-rock
Minoriko is a very odd character. Her moveset is not very Soku/IaMP styled at all, and that weird mini-Minoriko, I don't even know what it does. Also, what does firing a Master Spark-type move have to do with fall is beyond me. But I do like the use of fall-like things, such as the hoe and that...spiky ball thingie of which name I cannot think of.
Shizuha I was NOT expecting to be this difficult. This actually took me a fair number of tries, simply because if she gets too close in, you can just kiss your butt goodbye unless you have a counter (which obviously Minoriko doesn't). Shizuha just blitzes continuously without a care in the world...and she really REALLY hurts....oh god does she hurt!
http://youtu.be/nlUjWo7qXxQ
Hina Kagiyama by Minoo
Nitori Kawashiro by Minoo
Stage: Creek of Genbu
Music: Akutagawa Ryuunosuke's Kappa ~ Candid Friend by Sho
Nitori we have already seen before previously against Yumemi. Her AI is a bit more competent than I gave it credit for, as it really utilizes Nitori's abilities quite well.
Hina is pretty damn hard-hitting when she wants to be. Just about everything she does can cause knockdown, and she's got the range to hit far away without being countered TOO easily. She kinda reminds me of Iku a bit...
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http://youtu.be/A1vneY8djl4
Mima by Barai
Yuugenmagen by Kurogane
Stage: Heavenly Ascension
Music: Angel's Legend by ????
Mima we all saw before way back at video #9, so we should know what she's capable of. Though I could've sworn she had cards...hmmm...
Out of all of Kurogane's characters I've fought (Yuugenmagen, Patchouli, Shinki, and Yukari), Yuugenmagen is one of the funnest to fight I think. Feels like a full-blown storymode spellcard battle, which suits it perfectly well considering it's just a bunch of floating eyes...what else can it do!? It did take me a little bit to get used to Mima and her dashing though...there were many times where I went to dash while holding the button, only to find that she didn't like that and just ate attacks...and let's just say, several of Yuugen's attacks hurt...a lot. And don't let the spirit bomb touch the ground EVER! That just makes things worse for you.
http://youtu.be/vb5dIMAswpU
Reimu Hakurei by Nachel
Konngara by Nachel & Sunakuzira
Stage: The Silent Shrine by Luneth
Music: Swordsman of a Distant Star by ????
If you can't tell, I can't use IaMP characters worth a lick! Yes, you heard me...out of the three fighting games, IaMP is the only one I never really played nor could get into. It just felt really awkward, and I don't like the changing of attacks between far and close...melee becoming bullets suddenly or vice versa can get really annoying...
As for Konngara? Well, seeing as it uses this Reimu as the base, I can only assume it likes to cheat a lot, basing it off of Nachel's Remilia. And well...it kinda does in a way. You can't get in close, otherwise you're going to get poked. And Konngara (which I also assume Reimu does too) likes to reversal with the kick and/or 2a into Ying-Yang Orb super. Very annoying...but probably more doable had it been not someone that's IaMP style. Maybe...
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http://youtu.be/HJCuK8DN1YI
Gengetsu by Pre-To
Yuuka Kazami by Moiky
Stage: Mugenkan by Luneth
Music: Faint Dream ~ Inanimate Dream by Freedom
Yuuka we already saw back in the same video as Mima's first appearance. However, her AI surprised me. I didn't expect her to be this tough, though again, much like a lot of things I've fought up till now, it seems that her AI likes to read inputs hardcore. Why else would she perfectly counter things with supers all the time?
Gengetsu I heard was ridiculous OP, and judging from Tenma, I could probably guess why. This is Pre-To after all, though I didn't expect her to have this versatile of moves. Knock down can lead into Gigaton Press move, and afterwards can easily lead into off-screen beating if so desired. And that sword has ridiculous range at that, and combine that with her Chain Gang type move, it's kinda sick. Up close, she hits stupidly hard with her regular attacks, and can just stun opponents with one single move. Kinda sick methinks...makes me afraid to know how her AI is...
http://youtu.be/ikD1hmw_wSU
Murasa Minamitsu by Minoo
Ichirin Kumoi by Acari
Stage: Black Dahlia Cruiser
Music: Captain Murasa by dBu
Murasa is surprisingly very fluid in her attacks and can chain them relatively well. Top that off with attacks that are great both far range and close range, and she makes a very versatile fighter indeed.
Ichirin I was expecting more out of, but ah well...I know there's another one out there, but I don't have that one so I had to stick with this one that seems to use Yuyuko and Iku as bases for sprites and whatnot.
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http://youtu.be/sjdXw5zqHYY
Parsee Mizuhashi by Hetyo
Yuugi Hoshiguma by Minoo
Stage: Wadamoya
Music: A Flower-Studded Sake Dish on Mt. Ooe by Neutral
Parsee uses Sakuya as a base heavily, this much is apparent, but she fights completely different, which is as it should be. She really fits the bill of the "trickster" type character, much like Reisen (in fact, she even borrows some stuff from Reisen, such as Illusionary Blast and the split attack of which name I cannot think of (where there's 2 of the character, but only one is real). Although that alt 22 Stun skill is kinda powerful if it locks the opponent in, especially if it's used continuously one after another is gone...
Yuugi we've already seen waaaaaay back when in the Yuugi vs Suika video. Though the AI is also a bit competent...I'm afraid to see how an AI patch would affect her though!
http://youtu.be/LMsNER8s1Oo
Hong Meiling by Aotsuki
Rumia by Nemnin
Stage: Village of the Dead
Music: Apparitions Stalk the Night by ????
This Rumia...this Rumia...it is terrible I have to say. Bad hit detections (especially on Moonlight Ray and its super equivalent), AI will continuously spam the same thing over and over (even more apparent in EX Rumia mode), and EX Rumia just reeks of that "God" stuff you tend to see in bad characters. Why is she zipping all over the place all the time?! Also, this stage was probably a bad choice, seeing as Rumia's bullets in EX Mode particularly are black...and it's in a dark area. Yeeeah...
Again, if it's not apparent, I do not know how to use IaMP styled characters at all! Though I think I was doing alright with Meiling. Even moreso when I remembered she actually HAD other moves than just regular danmaku and attacks! Took me a bit to remember that initially for some reason...
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http://youtu.be/oYG09JBTTYM
Keine Kamishirasawa by Minoo
Eirin Yagokoro by Minoo
Stage: Arianrod Labyrinth
Music: Gensokyo Millennium ~ History of the Moon by dBu
Keine we saw way back in video #14. She's not bad to play as at all, and that counter is extremely nice...not much else to say about her.
Eirin seems to be Minoo's keep-away character, much like Nitori but without the handicap of everything costing power I think. Not much else to say here...I don't think I got to see half of what she's capable of.
http://youtu.be/I7lH7ko8Oi0
Lunasa Prismriver by Minoo
Mystia Lorelei by Minoo
Stage: Forest of Magic Night
Music: Deaf to all but the Song by dBu
Mystia we saw waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back at video #3. Though I think I gave her an AI patch long ago and didn't realize it, because she was super aggressive...
Lunasa is a peculiar character. She relies a lot on setting herself up with summoning her sisters, and making sure THEY don't get hit. Otherwise, she has a bit of trouble getting in to do damage, especially if it's someone that blitzes like Mystia does. Luckily, Mystia had a unsafe move that I could punish...sometimes...
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http://youtu.be/-bT7IgjtPLU
Youmu Konpaku by Kurogane
Yoshika Miyako by Moiky
Stage: Graveyard (SWR Youmu Stage)
Music: Rigid Paradise by dBu
Yoshika...is kinda mean if you let her be. However, she's easily abusable as I found out later on. Not NEARLY as bad as I thought she was, but she's very spammy. Wonder how she plays...
Youmu I think I played better than any of the other IaMP characters, other than Meiling. I don't know why...though I wish her Crescent Moon Slash actually grazed like in SWR/Soku.
And for now, there won't be any Touhou MUGEN vids for a while, since well...I need to decide on what to do next...
http://youtu.be/sx8_MXYb74g
Minoo, I think there's a problem here!
The ones still not featured yet...
In the actual games:
Yuyuko
Iku
Tenshi
Sakuya
MUGEN specific
Kikuri
Yuki
Advent Cirno
EX Keine
Kedama
Namazu (if it isn't the joke one)
Mugetsu (probably won't use)
And of course taking requests I suppose. There IS a Daiyousei I wanna see how it fights, but that's for later~ Still not sure if I'll do character exhibitions or not. Depends on how many people care to see those! It'd probably be one video per character...