foodNot now Lady Yuyuko, we have more pressing issues again.
Girrrrrrrrrrrlllllllllllllllllll. Imma bust you up.NyanNyan angry?
Seiga isn't a Nyan cat either. She's just a heavy smoker old lady.SEIga NYanNYan! SeIGa not NOT nYANnyan!
Yoshika. Speak something closer to English. I say this on the behalf of those whom have to deal with you after today.Seconding this. It's hard enough trying to solve incidents normally, even harder when you can't even understand one party involved.
Yoshika, you want a reaction? Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE0rTJH_EXk). Keep it up and this'll happen again.scum reaction
It would be good to have Miss Mamizou state if her vote is serious or not.
##Vote YoumuDo your own questions not apply to you?
Why didn't you wait for meeeee
Surely this means that you are willing to do more than simply restate that fact, though? Is there nothing you find notable yet? May I remind you that we have merely 48 hours.
I've yet to hear from Marisa, however, so until I do, I don't have the basis to change my opinion.are you asking marisa to claim?
When someone gets blasted she's the first you think of.
@SogaNegative, then. Have you anything in the way of thoughts?
yes go watch the video
However, those throwing fingers with nothing to back up their logic at all I do find suspicious.I would appreciate names of the perpetrators here.
Once I've seen everyone's opinion on the matters, then I might change my mind on the Marisa vote. As it is right now it's my gut feeling, for the same logic as Kogasa.Correct me if I am mistaken, but you have a gut feeling on Marisa's slot because Marisa, flavor-wise, makes sense as the shooter?
I would appreciate names of the perpetrators here.
Correct me if I am mistaken, but you have a gut feeling on Marisa's slot because Marisa, flavor-wise, makes sense as the shooter?
The only two this applies to now, since the others have some sort of logic I can follow, is Mamizou and Youmu. I don't understand why they would have voted for who they have, other than a simply random application. Admittedly I may have missed something, but I fail to see why Youmu is voting for you, nor why Mamizou is voting Yoshika. The video she uses as evidence shows Youmu and Yoshika getting alone pretty well. Until Yuyuko tries to eat them.none of this made any sense to me
My gut feeling on Marisa is pretty much on flavor issues right now.
I would still like to hear more from Marisa and Yuyuko, however.
To prevent a hammer until I've made up my mind on the matter:
##Unvote
Negative, then. Have you anything in the way of thoughts?yea her reaction post to your question seems pretty off to me, a hypocrite reasoning and a vote to go with it. Seems more like scum trying to throw around lam suspicion.
LAME
My gut feeling on Marisa is pretty much on flavor issues right now.
I would still like to hear more from Marisa and Yuyuko, however.
To prevent a hammer until I've made up my mind on the matter:
##Unvote
Suspecting people for flavor reasons is kind of silly, since it was stated that roles aren't linked to names at all. Also why unvote to prevent a hammer when someone is at L-6?
use our nl, and wait for us to have more info for D2So here's our policy lynch.
Futatsuiwa from Sado, can you thoroughly explain the hypocrite reasoning? I think I know where you're going but that clear on it.
And Youmu, I will burn as many tobacco products from my pipe as I want, thank you very much.
Don't see any reason to keep pursuing Reimu.
##Unvote
##Vote Soga no Toziko
Do your own questions not apply to you?
Have you found anything notable yet?
We only get 1 NL this game, why waste it so soon? I'd rather save it until later, when there are fewer suspects for our PRs to work with.where does it say this?
Just do the usual and get this D1 done with.
where does it say this?9th rule in the list
So here's our policy lynch.cant really say its a scum claim though >.>
##Unvote
##Vote Reimu
What's worse is the opportunistic vote that follows. Reimu is silly, but not scummy!What's opportunistic about it?
Just do the usual and get this D1 done with.What's with this passiveness?
And today we learn the meaning of policy lynch.But, Miss Yuyuko, this kind of behavior doesn't warrant this so-called 'policy lynch'. Miss Reimu likes the 'no lynch' option? We tell her to not do that. Problem solved. It's not near as crippling to town as a trait like lurking.
Yes, it is scummy in as much as it benefits scum. At best the player making such a suggestion will be a liability, at worst he is scum. Hence he gets the rope.
Cut by Reimu continuing to be silly :V I have no words.
@Reimu
So you layed a trap by making a reason for you to get polciy lynched in hopes of catching scum?
Miss Reimu, now would be a good time for me to advise that you read some archived games. Running around in circles leads to a lynch sooner or later. Have patience.
Oh, and I disagree with having town focus on 'one comitted direction'. Consolidation is nice, but diversity is nice too.
The gist of it, although I didn't expect it to be a PL, just someone jumping on me.So you would have voted anyone for any reason if they jumped on your bait?
As I said, Batman Gambit.
So you would have voted anyone for any reason if they jumped on your bait?
@Reimu*Facedesk*
So you layed a trap by making a reason for you to get polciy lynched in hopes of catching scum?
Better reason than no reason, is it not?Shows more concern with justifying her vote than doing something useful with it.
Shows more concern with justifying her vote than doing something useful with it.
Showing concern about justifying your lynch is the name of the game.
I thought it was catching scum :T
Convincing others wasn't part of your trap. You just baited votes and jump on the first person that bites.
Lynch me for suggesting NL to get the ball rolling.YoSHIkA THINk thiS in parTIculaR StupID!
Lynch Yuyuko for jumping on my bait
Lynch a lurker [We'd need to wait and see who's actually lurking to do this, timezones]
NL, which, as most people have said, is a bad idea. Unless we get some nightmare senario overnight which leaves us at D2 MYLO or LYLO or even losedue to some joint win scenario.
Keep waiting and seeing.
I'd say it's better to have a natural (read: not gambit-forced) reason to vote someone that to gambit to get a target, which in turn is better than a random vote.
Umbrella see newbtown going "Suddenly everyone is hating on what I just did, run awaaaaay".
Appeasement is not necessarily a scummy trait. The way I see it newbs usually instinctively defend themselves quite a bit.
That, and Nue finds your speech silly. ##Unvote
##Vote Yoshika
-cut-
I'm thinking that too.
I'll wait and seePoSITion scuM!
Yoshika though keeps pushing, which is somewhat scummy.
Anyway, I dislike Marisa's #67 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg873292.html#msg873292). She's merely responding to something that's immediately relevant to her, and hasn't done any more than that. I mean, she could have at least unvoted from her random vote (specifically the one that's part of the biggest wagon, if you can call it a wagon, at the time?that is, mine) for the sake of someone she had suspicion on (she was questioning Reimu, for one). I'd like Marisa to post something else, at least.YoSHIkA thinK interESTing.
How is it scummy? Her logic is reasonable enough, though I don't agree that Reimu is scum.I'd say "appeasement = scum" and "defending = scum" aren't reasonable reasons to keep pushing the lynch at all.
PoSITion scuM!Waiting to make a more informed decision would benefit a player playing as scum or as town.
CRaZY umbreLLa no THinK?However, due to having a livestream off to the side my post was delayed, which is why I can see it coming across as opportunistic. You'll notice I hadn't been voting anyone prior to Yoshika though, so I don't see how it's a wagon "hop" instead of placing my vote on who I find scummy.
NO caN see aPPeaSEmeNT?
ScUM ApPEasemENT!
I'd say "appeasement = scum" and "defending = scum" aren't reasonable reasons to keep pushing the lynch at all.YoU leSS BRain tHAn YOshIKA...?
Congratulations zombie girl. You've made me decide to keep my joke half-vote :V
Waiting to make a more informed decision would benefit a player playing as scum or as town.ALReady mANY INforMAtion!
You'll notice I hadn't been voting anyone prior to Yoshika though, so I don't see how it's a wagon "hop" instead of placing my vote on who I find scummy.
Responding to each line in turn, first link I was weighing in on what had happened since I last posted and giving my opinions on the matters at hand. I hardly see the problem with that.
I don't like Miss Youmu either. She can bash my smoking habits but I will simply not allow her to fluff through with "The townie acting" she's been trying to make in her post.
This kind of stuff (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg873332.html#msg873332) is just a lot fluff and game strats to make it look like she's contributing when really it's not. Her arrogant attitude (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg873365.html#msg873365)towards what I consider some stirring events that give a few reads on players is jarring to me. This question in particular shows she doesn't really care what happens to Mamizou since she's not reading her and just wants to ask a question to look active:
"Mamizou, is 'silly' equivalent to scummy here? Between the 2, which would you rather lynch?"
If one was following Mamizou they'd see that she was calling Reimu scum for not wanting to lynch scum (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg873356.html#msg873356) but for wanting to justify her lynches. Since Reimu was promptly voted for this it seems to me Mamizou believes her lines and doesn't think Reimu town.
Youmu's 131 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg873391.html#msg873391) seals herself for me in proving once again she's not reading this game.
You don't support the wagon on Yoshika because of how you interpreted Reimu's actions, did you consider that someone else interpreting Reimu's actions differently would see Yoshika in a different light?YosHIKA wonder if HaLFbreED Do saME thinkING...
Nue are my cute little servants words really that hard to read? I have little trouble getting the idea of what she's trying to convey rather clearly.Well, I don't really have a problem with interpreting her words. It's just that considering how hard she is pushing for Reimu's lynch, she isn't giving many good reasons for it. I'll repeat this again, "too much appeasement and self-defense" aren't very good reasons especially if you're trying hard to get your target lynched.
YoshIKa beLIEve MEAN laDy scUm unTIL ReasON otHERwise givEN!
MAYbe mORE than aPPeasEment AND DEFEndING!
That, and her attitude irks me. She responds to but does not recognizes the weight of the situation at hand and the responses of other people. She needs to take this a little bit more seriously.AlIEn tHINk YOshIKA scuM for wAY YoshiKA taLk?
YosHIKA wonder if HaLFbreED Do saME thinkING...I've thought about the alternative, but I believe more strongly in my interpretation even after considering the other possibilities.
HAlFbreeD sAY THink DiffereNt inTERpreTAtION but reFUse seE YoshikA intErpreTAtion!
NoT aLIeN...?"Noo-eh" I said it wrong at first too.
THen... Nu... New... NeW!
I've thought about the alternative, but I believe more strongly in my interpretation even after considering the other possibilities.WoRDing mEaN HAlfbREed thINK YOShika thinKING Valid?
I've thought about the alternative, but I believe more strongly in my interpretation even after considering the other possibilities."Noo-eh" I said it wrong at first too.Nuu... Nuu... eH... NuNU! ALiEN!
Since Reimu is gone for now, Yoshika's argument is kind of at a standstill. Yoshika, what do you think about Nue and Youmu and their voting you?YoshiKA NO liKE cRAzy UMBreLLA!
Responding to each line in turn, first link I was weighing in on what had happened since I last posted and giving my opinions on the matters at hand. I hardly see the problem with that.Weighing in with no content and fluff. Smashing.
Second link is the same thing, weighing on on what happened while I was away. I asked the questions because I didn't have answers for them, I have been reading Mamizou (and not always understanding what's being referred to). I didn't realize that the 3rd link was "validation" for calling Reimu scummy-I don't see it. Additionally if stating my opinions is arrogant then I'm guilty as charged.>come back to 30 posts
Fourth link does not show I'm not reading the game. If anything it shows I am reading the game, as I responded to new developments. If I wasn't reading the game I wouldn't be posting.If you're not reading the game then you're just being really dense.
You don't support the wagon on Yoshika because of how you interpreted Reimu's actions, did you consider that someone else interpreting Reimu's actions differently would see Yoshika in a different light?This is the difference between you and Nue. She points out why she doesn't like the parts of Yoshika's case and you wrote her off as trolling and called it good. I still don't agree with Nue that Yoshika is scum, but I can see where her thoughts are coming from.
*Facedesk*YosHIka no UNDerSTanD!
Would vote Yoshika.
Out of the reasons to vote Reimu, I think "trying to force 1v1" is one of the most ridiculous someone could do.
Yes, Reimu's list and entire plan are way overthought and based on some faulty logic.CrAZy UMBrellA nO uNDERstAND in VALIEnT deFENsE.
I fail to see how she's actually scum.
Eh, NL is gross. D2 practically becomes an extended D1 with a N0 where scum get to kill. Even a town lynch is generally preferrable.
What's worse is the opportunistic vote that follows. Reimu is silly, but not scummy!
##Unvote:Hakurei Reimu
##Vote: Saigyouji Yuyuko
Besides, you're acting like people would actually consider following through on it. It's not beneficial to scum to suggest that because there's no way in hell it'd actually happen. It's null.YOsHIKA think COntRADicTION!
Okay, I'll explain my thought process here :3
If Reimu sincerely thinks NL is a good idea, it's entirely reasonable for her to suggest it as either alignment. If she already knows it's a bad idea, she's not going to suggest it as town... and being scum isn't going to make her go "I should suggest this bad idea! :]" because she knows it's bad and that it won't help her to suggest it.
At worst (In terms of town/scum reading from the action) it shows she's a liability, more reasonably it's what Soga said, and at best it shows... still completely null, and it's not any more likely she's scum then someone else.
tl;dr your vote is for "Bad idea that isn't any more likely to come from scum then town", which means it pretty much isn't scumhunting.
Hooray overanalysis!
*Facedesk*YOshIKA SEe nOTHing bUT defendING MEAn LADY!
If someone actually got policy lynched for suspecting that I'd have to start hitting people with my umbrella. Implying she did something that carried risk of getting her policy lynched is a little melodramatic.
Yuyuko:No, I don't realize. :ohdear: Maybe if there was one or two people who might actually go for it (even though it didn't actually happen), but there isn't.
As for the matter of lurkers, D1 going-after-lurkers is too situational of a topic for me to address, as there's no blanket answer there. Moving on.
Mamizou now you're just being weird. >_> You're asking somewhat-loaded (but mostly silly) questions at this point.
Youmu, can you clarify your stance on Yoshika? Restate/clarify your interpretation of Reimu's actions while you're at it, since they're interrelated.I believe that Reimu had a plan, put it into motion and then it was pointed at that it wouldn't work, at which point she backed down. I also believe Yoshika is scummy due to the way she's pushing for Reimu-repeating a statement over and over doesn't make it true.
This is apparent they're throwaway because of how you treated the one directed at Mamizou. Your question was already answered and you chose to just ask some "I got activity, lookin' good gaiz" questions. I don't see this as scumhunting but as pretending to scumhunt.I typed in the question -before- Mamizou answered it. The latter question towards her was not answered as far as I could tell at the time. If having a question answered before asking it but after typing it means everything in the post is throwaway, nothing I can do can convince you that you're wrong.
If you're not reading the game then you're just being really dense.
"and see Yoshika...trolling?"
You wrote her roleplaying off as trolling without considering what was inside of the posts. You then proceed to vote her based on that assumption. The reasons are there so it's not just a blank push on Reimu. Your refusal to acknowledge any of these points and instead just vote her for pushing Reimu justifies me in this read.
the content is the same point repeated over and over, almost as though she's trying to convince herself that Reimu's appeasement is scummy.BeCAUse yOU no BRAIN!
Seiga, do you think Yoshika is reading the game? My interpretation of the above 'case' is that defending=scummy because ???, therefore Kogasa is the scum, which is not a stance I agree with at all right now.DeFENDinG vERY scUM!
Okay Yoshika, one more question...NoT EnoUGH?
Is there any other reason for you to vote Reimu, aside from her appeasement, self-defense and trying to force 1v1 D1?
Youmu's speaking the most sense here.Reimu had no problem with my #115, which you [Seiga] "called out" as fluff/active lurking/pretending to scumhunt.
BeCAUse yOU no BRAIN!Defending someone you view as town is not scummy at all. Do you have another other reasons for finding Reimu scummy besides appeasement?
No unDERSTanD so YOshiKA haVE to SaY AGaiN anD aGAIn for yOU!
DeFENDinG vERY scUM!
Defending someone you view as town is not scummy at all.DeFENdiNG veRy earLY VerY SCuM!
YosHIka see LoTS viEWer BUt no POST!
MakE YoShikA anGER!
YoSHikA sAY One more THINg aBout meAn LADy and otHEr.pretty much how i feel about it
Town NOt DEfendING! TowN maYBE justiFIcation buT neVEr deFenDINg or AppeaSEment!
TOwn MAke caSES, nOT EXCusES!
YoSHikA resT...
I believe that Reimu had a plan, put it into motion and then it was pointed at that it wouldn't work, at which point she backed down. I also believe Yoshika is scummy due to the way she's pushing for Reimu-repeating a statement over and over doesn't make it true.
You don't support the wagon on Yoshika because of how you interpreted Reimu's actions, did you consider that someone else interpreting Reimu's actions differently would see Yoshika in a different light?
I believe that Reimu had a plan, put it into motion and then it was pointed at that it wouldn't work, at which point she backed down. I also believe Yoshika is scummy due to the way she's pushing for Reimu-repeating a statement over and over doesn't make it true.no it wasnt actually dropped, the only reason she unvoted was because it was unpopular. she still thinks yuyuko is scum for some reason.
I don't like the way Yoshika is pushing for Reimu. You seem to be voting me for pushing Yoshika, so does that mean someone would be justified in reading you as scum?doesnt make any better what you tried to do with soga any better. Why are you using reasoning like this? people can only clear themselves as town, using hypocrisy as a reason to make there cases null seems pretty lame to me.
Reimu had no problem with my #115, which you [Seiga] "called out" as fluff/active lurking/pretending to scumhunt.what exactly did you mean by this? and how does this make anything better?
Youmu says that how one interprets Reimu's actions affects how one sees Yoshika. Youmu herself seems to believe Reimu is town, so Yoshika, who is doggedly pursuing her, must therefore be scum. If this is indeed the case, then the logic is sort of faulty, since I have no idea how town Reimu implies scum Yoshika. Youmu, could you clarify a little more?I find Yoshika scummy because of how she's pursuing Reimu, not because I believe she's tunneling a townie. My town read of Reimu and my scum read of Yoshika are interrelated, but neither causes the other.
yoshika's position re: reimu seems reasonable and i dont understand why she's getting a flashwagon. if people are voting her because of rp i may cry. stop being dumb people.I'm not voting her due to RP, however annoying I might find it. However she has done nothing to flip my read of her, and her reaction to being asked a question is to leave. I'm quite happy with where my vote is at the moment.
she has done nothing to try to flip my read of herEBWOP
(Incidentally, Yoshika should answer the question Youmu asked her about if there's any other reasons she has for finding Reimu scummy.)
YoSHiKA noT liKE dROp case and NOt NEW Case!
YOshikA no lIKE atTEmpT 1v1!
YoSHikA NOt like appEASEment!
Uuuuuuuu~...
YoshIkA thinK MEan LaDy aNd PRINcess lAdy both siLLy!
YoShiKA THInk mEna LAdy Be toO cAUtioUS and ToO much tIMe selF JUstificATion.
YoSHIkA THINk thiS in parTIculaR StupID!
YOSHika nOT like forCE 1v1 attEMpt on FIrsT dAy!
YOshiKa noT LIke lacK of CONvictION mOrE!
YoShIKa thINK MeAN laDY TOo not meAN!
MEaN ladY tOO much tiMe apPEasMEnt!
YoshIKa SEe aPPEaSEment!
ApPeAsEMENT scUM!
ToO UnDEDicATED!
YoSHIkA no KnoW iF NeW or OLD. WhY ThING matTER?
YoshIKa beLIEve MEAN laDy scUm unTIL ReasON otHERwise givEN!
MAYbe mORE than aPPeasEment AND DEFEndING!
NoT EnoUGH?
YOshIKA sAY yOSHika waIT foR MeaN LAdy to mAKE conTENT but NOT ConTENt fOR pageS and PAGeS!
YoSHikA sAY One more THINg aBout meAn LADy and otHEr.
Town NOt DEfendING! TowN maYBE justiFIcation buT neVEr deFenDINg or AppeaSEment!
TOwn MAke caSES, nOT EXCusES!
Well, I don't really have a problem with interpreting her words. It's just that considering how hard she is pushing for Reimu's lynch, she isn't giving many good reasons for it. I'll repeat this again, "too much appeasement and self-defense" aren't very good reasons especially if you're trying hard to get your target lynched.This is bad, bad, bad. Your reasoning about her not giving many good reasons sounds like you're voting her for being not so good with words. Her attitude irking you isn't a reason she's scum. Her reasons for voting Reimu are better then your reasons for voting her, which makes your vote look quite scumtastic. (Sanae cuts me saying someething similar. Maybe Sanae can get a higher tier soon)
That, and her attitude irks me. She responds to but does not recognizes the weight of the situation at hand and the responses of other people. She needs to take this a little bit more seriously.
Do you have any opinions on players who aren't me/Reimu/Kogasa?EBWOP
I've been covering my own hide for the last page and a half.YoShiKA saY LooK ThiS!
Reimu and Yoshika, you stop that fighting this instant.Ray... Rei... Lay... MeAN laDY no FIghtING!
Appeasement, which I've acknowledged and was asking if there was anything else.HAlFBRain nO reaD GAme!
and defending, which is not an inherently scummy action, and I don't view it as scummy, as I've already said.
Your quotes don't bring anything up I haven't already addressed.
Do you have any opinions on players who aren't me/Reimu?
Forcing a 1v1, which I already said I don't see.
The way I see it was now have several options:HoW ThiS NOT foRCe 1v1?
Lynch me for suggesting NL to get the ball rolling.
Lynch Yuyuko for jumping on my bait
Lynch a lurker [We'd need to wait and see who's actually lurking to do this, timezones]
NL, which, as most people have said, is a bad idea. Unless we get some nightmare senario overnight which leaves us at D2 MYLO or LYLO or even losedue to some joint win scenario.
Keep waiting and seeing.
"The way I see it, seeing Reimu as town has little effect on Yoshika being scum. Your case is simply Yoshika is scum because the way she pursues Reimu."actually, the way someone pushes someone is a fine way to make a case on them. if i think someone is town and i think someone else is pushing on them in a scummy way, i'll think they're scum. given your case is based on the way youmu is voting yoshika, this is a hypocritical statement.
I don't believe Reimu is voting Yuyuko either.
Evidently people are not agreeing with my gambit, so I'll back off. I guess jumping on a reason to policy isn't enough. Youmu's speaking the most sense here.
##Unvote Saigyouji Yuyuko
Futo, my vote on Yoshika initially wasn't a very serious one (if you look back I didn't even post a proper reason for it), and I only kept it there because later I wanted to pressure Yoshika on improving her case against Reimu. Again, I wasn't pushing for a Yoshika lynch.uh
I find it strange that you keep insisting that Reimu still suspects Yuyukobecause she does
unless you're talking about Reimu's suspicions on Yuyuko, which would make that post out-of-place as no one said anything about Reimu's suspicions eitheruhhhh it never went away, the fact that her reasoning for keeping it is lame. its not out of place either if her reasoning was incredibly weak why not drop it completely?
even if said suspicions are still there, why would scum seriously "suspect" town? Scum would prefer to avoid tunneling anyone, especially this early in the game, and leave their options open, don't you think? And even if I'm wrong about that last sentence, why would scum want to appear to be suspicious of anyone this early into the game over an unreliable gambit?quit telling me what scum can and cant do.
Now it might be true Reimu still has suspicions, but I don't see how that would matterI wouldnt even if her the original reasoning behind her suspicions wasnt lame
Miyako Yoshika (2): Soga no Toziko, Tatara Kogasa,fixed.
Hakurei Reimu (3): Saigyouji Yuyuko, Futatsuiwa Mamizou, Miyako Yoshika
Konpaku Youmu (3): Kirisame Marisa, Kaku Seiga, Kochiya Sanae
Kochiya Sanae (2): Toyosatomimi no Miko, Konpaku Youmu
Houjuu Nue (2): Mononobe no Futo, Kasodani Kyouko
Not Voting: Hakurei Reimu, Houjuu Nue
I wouldnt even if her the original reasoning behind her suspicions wasnt lameSo you admit that Reimu's suspicions don't matter. Yet you keep repeating they still exist because...?
I also believe Yoshika is scummy due to the way she's pushing for Reimu-repeating a statement over and over doesn't make it true.
the content is the same point repeated over and over, almost as though she's trying to convince herself that Reimu's appeasement is scummy.
However she has done nothing to flip my read of her, and her reaction to being asked a question is to leave.
The way I see it, seeing Reimu as town has little effect on Yoshika being scum. Your case is simply Yoshika is scum because the way she pursues Reimu.I said this because what she said was kind of extraneous. She said that the way you interpret Yoshika's actions affects how you view Yoshika as well, but she votes Yoshika simply because of how she pursues Reimu, implying that it would still be scummy had she pursued someone different. In other words, her case is based on the method used, not the target of the method.
Either way Yoshika seems better after the re-read so ##Unvote
I'd still lynch her if she was a wagon at deadline but Miko and Marisa need to say more (Miko has all of 1 post near the beginning about 12 hours ago and Marisa has 2 or 3 in the same span).
-cut by Futo-
How did I not catch that about Sanae :derp:
Sanae's earlier posts had made her need rope but that observation just seals the deal.
##Vote: Sanae
Mamizou's reasons for voting Reimu as a whole seem to be based off of interpretations of Reimu's actions.
Knowing we only had one No Lynch, I suggested I thought it was a good idea, looking for someone to jump on this as a reason to lynch, looking for the hastiest person to lynch someone, especially someone attempting to organize the town in one direction. A ripe choice for the scum, the one attempting to guide everyone to a unified decision.How does this make someone scum if townies are also supposed to convince people to lynch their target?
Could you be a little more vague Kirisame? I almost understood your thought process there. What points against Youmu do you find agreeable?
Her initial vote for Miyako-chan is based on the presime that pressing one's point is scummy, which is both unexplained and a position I do not agree with.
...
These are nothing but attempts to sow seeds of dissatisfaction with Miyako-chan in the hopes the sentiments will stick in the minds of others.
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suddenly Miyako-chan is okay, with no explanation given as to why the reread made her look better.
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The gardener claims "Sanae's earlier posts had made her need rope"? How? Why?
This kind of stuff (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg873332.html#msg873332) is just a lot fluff and game strats to make it look like she's contributing when really it's not. Her arrogant attitude (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg873365.html#msg873365)towards what I consider some stirring events that give a few reads on players is jarring to me.
he says he played the gambit to try and reveal the scum. well, reimu, who's the scum?
@kyouko
vote dropped suspension hasnt
and her reaction to being asked a question is to leave.YoSHIKa thiNK bIG MISreP!
YOShiKa haVe rETURned!
... StILl hunGry...
YOshika wANt cLAriFY.
Mean lady onLy thINK HalfbrEED scUM fOR now?
YoSHika wonDer what MeaN lADY thINK oF PriNCess, Crazy UmbREllA and THIEf riGHT noW.
YoSHIKa thiNK bIG MISreP!
YoshiKA noT Even KNOW wHAT qUEstIOn YOshikA miSS!
YoshIka HungeR...
D1 trend I'm noticing: the more vocal players tend to be voted simply due to more content > more ways to build a case. Perhaps I should try being less vocal in future games?YosHika noT likE APPEal tO EmotiON!
She's simply attempting to scumhunt, like I planned to scumtrap.Yoshika think Two SligHTlY DIffEReNT...
YOSHIKA still not LIke crAzY uMbreLLa...
YoSHikA waNt CASE frOM mean lAdy!
YoshIKA EAt CAse! YosHIka HungRY!
MEaN LadY NOt mean theN haVE moRE caSE FOr YoshIKA?
WherE is SeiGa...?
So maKE cAsE...?
YoSHikA no BRaiN sTilL maKe case! So can meAN laDy!
Vote count is the exact same as the previous one, no-one's changed their vote, or, in my case, placed one.YoShikA brAin NO!
Yoshika, can you make one post instead of making five spam posts in a row? You're inflating the page count and making it hard to reread the game and find people who aren't you. It helps the scum when they can hide in your posts.YOshiKA sAY wHAT YoshiKA tHInk when YoshikA thINk it!
They could shed new light, or could scumslip.YoSHIka thInk nO LikeLy!
YoSHIka thInk nO LikeLy!
ToO easY to SheEP HalfBREeD now!
So... you think I'm not voting because I'm afraid I'll be seen as a Sheep?NO!
NO!
YosHIKa SaY Too eASY foR luRKer TO becOMe SheeP nOW so no POiNT in WaIT!
YoSHika tHInk SheEp tasTy...
In addition, if I voted Youmu we would have 6 votes on her. All it would take is a quick 3 vote blitz to hammer her from that point, and with 4 people not contributing right now, I think that risking that is a really, really bad idea.Miss Youmu has 6 votes against her at current, unless I miscounted. If someone were to end the day prematurely (in a so-called 'blitz') they would be facing dire consequences the following day.
Except, as my above post explains, me voting Youmu now makes it even easier for the lurkers to become sheep.YoSHIKa thINK meAN LAdy too NArrow!
The only way for the lurkers to sheep this is if all 4 blitz it. 4 blitzing is less likely than 3 blitzing.
Miss Yoshika, are the sheep already on the wagon? It is quite large already.YoSHikA tHINk eVEryONE saME REason foR voTE so ALL shEep!
Miss Youmu has 6 votes against her at current, unless I miscounted.
IT too easY foR ALl lUrker to SAy They nOT liKE HALFbreed noW!
NOt pOSsiBLE foR slIp wHen eASy OPtION!
YoShikA ForGET sAY YoshIKa wilLinG Swap HalfBrEed if NeeD to!YOShiKA CaN'T dEciDE iF No BRaiN or ScuM...
BuT YoshiKA thINk haLfbrEeD bad thINkinG oNly BaD bRAin LIke yoSHika RottiNG bRaiN!
Miyako-chan, do you mean Tojiko-chan when you say "fake fever"?YeS!
If I voted and people thought I was a sheep it would be foolish. I have already proved I am no sheep, since I tried to start a vote.I don't see how this proves you aren't a sheep. It's perfectly possible to sheep even after voting someone else for your own reasons.
So what is it exactly that you want me to talk about, Reimu? I thought I'd made it clear that I still think Youmu is scum.
As for the few things I've said about her, why should I reword what other people are saying instead of saying I agree with them? Seems like people trying to pretend that they have original reasons would be worse.I don't see how this proves you aren't a sheep. It's perfectly possible to sheep even after voting someone else for your own reasons.
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A pleasant morn to all. This will be brief, as my already short time is rapidly dwindling.
The Hakurei shrine maiden seems to think "Miss" Houjuu is okay and cites her vote explanation post as a large reason why. The problem with that explanation is that it means "Miss" Houjuu has played a large part of this game with her vote on someone she was not terribly comfortable in asserting was the enemy, and did not have any sort of remotely powerful opinions on who is the enemy. This demonstrates a lack of investigative effort, more so than most everyone else. Is this still okay?
Miyako-chan, do you mean Tojiko-chan when you say "fake fever"?
How about your stance on the matter as it is now?It hasn't changed since #228 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg873597.html#msg873597). Unless you're talking about what I think of other people.
Yoshika, is Reimu still scum?YoSHIka tHINk Mean lady ScUM unTIL AcTIOn say OTherWise!
It hasn't changed since #228 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg873597.html#msg873597). Unless you're talking about what I think of other people.
I don't think you're paying enough attention. In #248 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg873679.html#msg873679) you say "however, my major issue is that 4 people have not commented on the situation as it is now. [...] especially Marisa, who has hardly said anything all game long, and nothing of substance at all.", but in #258 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg873695.html#msg873695) you say "With me that brings it to 7 votes, made by people involved in the discussion.". This seems contradictory, as I have not been very involved apparently.
Would also like to know how having more people voting someone suddenly turns a not solid reason (#241 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg873663.html#msg873663), "I'm not voting anyone because I don't have a solid reason [...]") into a solid reason. It's easy to tell that your reason for voting was valid before that quote.
I'm confused about if Yoshika still thinks Reimu is scum, as evidenced by my previous question to her.
Don't see anything worth pointing out in anyone else.
It hasn't changed since #228 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg873597.html#msg873597). Unless you're talking about what I think of other people.
I don't think you're paying enough attention. In #248 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg873679.html#msg873679) you say "however, my major issue is that 4 people have not commented on the situation as it is now. [...] especially Marisa, who has hardly said anything all game long, and nothing of substance at all.", but in #258 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg873695.html#msg873695) you say "With me that brings it to 7 votes, made by people involved in the discussion.". This seems contradictory, as I have not been very involved apparently.
Would also like to know how having more people voting someone suddenly turns a not solid reason (#241 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg873663.html#msg873663), "I'm not voting anyone because I don't have a solid reason [...]") into a solid reason. It's easy to tell that your reason for voting was valid before that quote.
Since I'm going to be away until near the deadline I'm going to claim Vanilla Townie now.
YoSHIka tHINk Mean lady ScUM unTIL AcTIOn say OTherWise!
YoshiKa moRe UnderStand meaN LAdy REceNT bUT still no CASe!
YOShikA ThiNK YOSHika do thIS thoUgh beCause more UNDerstAND...
##Unvote, Vote Kogasa Tatara
D1 trend I'm noticing: the more vocal players tend to be voted simply due to more content > more ways to build a case. Perhaps I should try being less vocal in future games?This is a fairly ridiculous appeasement and does nothing but try to garner pity from the emotion aspect. That and it's dead wrong, Jesus Christ.
Since Youmu resorted to appeasement and ATE we're getting a scumlynch today. Isn't everyone happy?It's a shame you're wrong.
I don't know why she thought it relevant to justify her defense against me with how Reimu read her since we're two different people.
Mamizou still hasn't produced opinions on other players yet, will continue staring at her until she does. Mamizou feels like she's just jumping on Reimu's failed gambit for an easy vote with no :effort:. Also, again, I don't see why it matters whether Reimu still suspects Yuyuko or not, Mamizou should stop pursuing this fact unless she gives a good reason to.
The D1 trend thing was an observation that everyone seem to absolutely hate, even though it's true. I'll concede the vocal player doesn't always get lynched but it's true.I believe someone mentioned a 'Serelapony' earlier? Whatever that may be, I feel it would make a good counterargument.
Seiga, I feel that you have the incorrect assumption that I'm scum and are basing a lot of opinions around that, discarding my reasonings as AtE/just being wrong.Do you actually have an opinion on Miss Seiga for this or is this purely to discredit her case? --cut. Is this your reason for urging everyone to look at Seiga, then?
No particular problems with Soga and Tojiko's posts thus far, but they haven't quite posted enough to get a clear read on them yet, etc.Excuse me?
I believe someone mentioned a 'Serelapony' earlier? Whatever that may be, I feel it would make a good counterargument.Serela wasn't voted ED1, but was voted LD1 after being vocal and ended up lynched. That's beside the point though.
Do you actually have an opinion on Miss Seiga for this or is this purely to discredit her case? --cut. Is this your reason for urging everyone to look at Seiga, then?I don't like Seiga right now, I don't have anything concrete but I'm reading her as leaning scum. I'm not trying to discredit her case (completely, I guess there was a little in there), but to try to get her to reconsider.
Fuck :time:Aaaand you skipped the rest?
##Unvote
##Vote Kogasa
Read all of what she posted today, aka defending the newbie 101. Vote accordingly.
Fuck :time:would you like a normal tree or the saigyou ayakashi?
##Unvote
##Vote Kogasa
Read all of what she posted today, aka defending the newbie 101. Vote accordingly.
Aaaand you skipped the rest?Skimmed. No time for more today. Can say I don't want Youmu lynched as it stands.
How is defending the newbie scummy? Or is this a kind of PL?
Aaaand you skipped the rest?
How is defending the newbie scummy? Or is this a kind of PL?
Youmu jumps on Sanae for no apparent reason, and jumped on Soga before for the same complete lack of reason.Soga was still pseudo-RVS (and was an attempt to get the game going), Sanae was while half asleep and bad judgment on my part.
Soga was still pseudo-RVS (and was an attempt to get the game going), Sanae was while half asleep and bad judgment on my part.
Since the meta is that the vocal ones die D1, so why would scum want to draw attention?No more of this for the rest of the game. It's WIFOM-y and wrong to say the least.
Whichmakes me likly town, albeit, dumbtown, following the meta and policy you cling to, and thus, Kogasa is right in defending me.Being right about something doesn't make one town, my sincerest apologies. In this case, Miss Kogasa's act of defending you may be "right" but it is also non-contributory and an easy way for scum to get away with posting. I see why people are interested in this lynch. Personally, I want to hear more from Miss Kogasa first.
No more of this for the rest of the game. It's WIFOM-y and wrong to say the least.
The roleplaying comes off as kind of troll-y to me, and the content is the same point repeated over and over, almost as though she's trying to convince herself that Reimu's appeasement is scummy.It shocks how this sounds almost exactly like the case I made on someone last time I was scum. "The roleplaying comes off as troll-y" <--- Troll =/= scum, someone's not going to actively adopt an annoying posting style just because they're scum, and the other reason is pretty damn reaching.
I also think that Marisa is town and Youmu's Raw Potato claim is bs for :reasons:.Uh, why do you think Marisa is town? And what's your reason for refuting Youmu's claim?
It shocks how this sounds almost exactly like the case I made on someone last time I was scum. "The roleplaying comes off as troll-y" <--- Troll =/= scum, someone's not going to actively adopt an annoying posting style just because they're scum, and the other reason is pretty damn reaching.So because you did something as scum if anyone else does it they're scum? Sounds like a meta reason.
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Youmu's Raw Potato claim is bs for :reasons:.
So because you did something as scum if anyone else does it they're scum? Sounds like a meta reason.Way2misrep. The very next sentence is explaining why it's bad.
But yeah I can see there's no way I'm not getting lynched today because of 1 read that people don't like my explanation for and 1 half asleep post.
That and you're claiming nilla town, which is no massive loss over a possible PR.It's still town over possible scum. Is that worth it to you?
It's still town over possible scum. Is that worth it to you?
I've explained myself fully, *MoTKTown* hates my reasons/refuses to change their mind, fine. @everyone voting me/would be voting me, when I flip town how does that change your gameplan?
So you're all content to lynch me because I claimed vanilla town and not a power role.Stop acting like we're lynching you over your claim. You had a big wagon before claiming for a reason.
I wasn't misrepping, even re-reading I see it the same way.Meta reasons made me take notice of it. I then proceeded to explain, in completely non-meta-related terms, what about it was actually scummy. If you still don't see it that way, :shrug:, there's just not really anything else to say about it. o_o It's pretty cut and dry.
It's still town over possible scum. Is that worth it to you?acting like you're confirmed town is silly, scum can and do claim VT p.easily
when I flip town how does that change your gameplan?Analysis of D1 in light of new flips will go a little differently, that's about it
So no, if you flip town, it doesn't change my plan, nor, I doubt, anyone else's plans, since I know it is the most sensible option available at this point. It's Day 1, going for a low-risk lynch on someone who acted very scummy seems logical.This line is actually pretty terrible.
All your explanations on the Yoshika vote are terrible, you get off it as the wagon dies with "Well I reread her and I changed my mind"I did re-read her and change my mind-I will admit to having confirmation bias despite not having confirmation (which seems to be happening with me but whatever).
acting like you're confirmed town is sillyTo me I'm confirmed town. Tomorrow, I will be to everyone else. I've realized I can't convince anyone else of this now so as I said I'm trying to be as useful to everyone else.
If for some reason you're town it means Reimu is probably scum for constantly justifying your death as "It's only a vanilla townie".
I also justify it as she jumped on two bandwagons for no apparent reason, which is a massive scumtell.Which 2? Sanae was a mistake, so I'm assuming that's one of them, but who's the other? Mamizou? Neither of them were really bandwagons at the time. (Mine was the second vote)
Which 2? Sanae was a mistake, so I'm assuming that's one of them, but who's the other? Mamizou? Neither of them were really bandwagons at the time. (Mine was the second vote)
Also, why didn't you mention that sooner?
So, mainly for the massive lack of reasoning behind jumping on Sanae:
##Vote Youmu
Kyouko, I have some reason to suspect Youmu, my case being the jump onto Sanae for no apparent reason, as I have stated multiple times
My stances on people right now:
Youmu: Now, from my point of view Youmu's speaking correct things, at least when she is defending me. However, I also have to agree with Miko on the matter that thinking someone is scummy for pushing on someone to be lynched for pushing on someone they think is scummy, is a little... weird. It comes across hypocritical.
The jump on Sanae seems completely unjustified to me. Everyone is 'looking for rope' to lynch someone with. I did it too.
I get distracted by a livestream and see Yoshika...trolling?
Either way I really don't see a problem with what Reimu did, seems like she realized she was wrong and backed down. That's not a scummy trait.
Yoshika though keeps pushing, which is somewhat scummy.
-cuts cuts cuts-
Yeah. I definitely feel comfortable with a ##Vote: Yoshika
If the case is indeed that you are Vanilla Town, then lynching you is a better lynch than randomly lynching and hitting a power role.YoShikA thINK HIt ScuM ALwAYs beTTEr thAN ANy toWN!
When you say "more understand" in the third line, what are you referring to?YOSHika not HEart or BRAin bUT yoSHIka moRE unDErstand meaN ladY thiNKING AFter New PostINg!
I enjoy her posts.NyanNyan nOT like YoshikA...?
Whichmakes me likly town, albeit, dumbtown, following the meta and policy you cling to, and thus, Kogasa is right in defending me.YoU NO BRaIN?
Yoshika, is an AtE inherently scummy?YeS!
I don't see any reason to vote Kogasa. If you, and, for that matter, Yoshika, could explain more clearly what makes Kogasa scummy besides standing up for me, I'd appreciate it. Because standing up for someone who is drawing tons of attention right at the start of D1, when there's a history of the vocal ones being lynched D1, seems foolish.
YOshika thiNK yoSHikA unDerstanD prINcess ThouGHT abOUt not Lynch...
TheN YoshiKA see Crazy UmbRellA kEEp try maKE noT LYncH IdeA Null!
NOT nulL! YoShiKa ThiNK AlwAYs AcCOunT acTION foR!
YoshIKA thINk cRAzy UmbreLla dEFend toO EAger!
YOshikA THink maybe craZy umbRellA WanT Only ReputaTioN foR deFENce!
CrazY uMBrellA dRoP PrincEss cAsE fAsT foR YoshiKA! ToO FasT?
CrAZY UmbRElla onLy givE meTA line for whY drOP PrinceSs!
YosHIKA not LIke prINcess AND crazy uMbrelLA foR nO Play!
Especially since your argument falls apart on the policy and meta you've been basing your own arguments off of, such as your reason to lynch me for even mentioning a D1 NL. Since the meta is that the vocal ones die D1, so why would scum want to draw attention?YoshIKa tHInk thIS baD!
YeS!If my reasons are taken as excuses then so be it. It's also kind of hard to make cases D1, especially on those with little to their names.
TOwn MakE caSE noT EXCUse!
The 'meta' that calling for a NL D1 is bad. The meta the defending the newb is bad.YoSHIka tHInk NoT lyncH First day aLso BAd!
If my reasons are taken as excuses then so be it. It's also kind of hard to make cases D1, especially on those with little to their names.CaSE DaY fiRST EaSY!
My cute servant, just because I don't mention you doesn't mean I don't want to adore you so~I have almost no experience playing as scum so I didn't know that. At the time I was pretty much completely dead though. Maybe not a tactical advantage as it puts the scum down a member early on, but it could carry a strategic advantage for the long term. (and puts an end to the discussion)
Impertinence. Scum can try to hang on until the last second if there is a chance of them not dying during the day. There is no tactical advantage in quickhammering day 1 anyway.
I have almost no experience playing as scum so I didn't know that. At the time I was pretty much completely dead though. Maybe not a tactical advantage as it puts the scum down a member early on, but it could carry a strategic advantage for the long term. (and puts an end to the discussion)YoshIKA thINk NyanNyan meAN ScUM LurKEr keEP luRK BecAUSE nOT LYncHED LurkING!
YOSHika not HEart or BRAin bUT yoSHIka moRE unDErstand meaN ladY thiNKING AFter New PostINg!
BuT YoshiKA sTILl see NO caSe so ONly UndersTAnding noT likE!
Youmu trying to clear her Sanae vote as a mistake is ???, scum are capable of making mistakes also.Did I ever say scum couldn't make mistakes? The reverse is also true, town can make them as well. So by that logic, does the make my Sanae vote null? That's the 1 move I've made this game I wish I hadn't done (yes, this means I'm fine with having stuck on Yoshika for as long as I did. At the time I thought her scum, though my reasoning was flawed I learned from it)
Also, the tone 'If for some reason you're town' makes it sound like you highly doubt Youmu being town in the first place.
As for why I voted, when nothing developed a more solid reason, it's simply because no more solid reason has been made. The best reason to vote for anyone was still Youmu jumping on Sanae. As it is nearing the end of the period, and majority was almost reached, I decided to vote with who I currently felt was the most scummy. There is no rule that I cannot change my vote later if someone changes my mind, however, since between those two points, I have not got a better reason to vote anyone, I decided it was time to place my vote.
I need someone else to confirm if they would lynch Reimu in 5 hours with me.Sure thing.
Sanae, does town!Youmu imply town Nue, or does it imply we can't be town together? Or can neither of those be determined?
I'm against switching to a Reimu lynch if only because, from what I understand about her timezone, she's likely asleep by this point and won't have a chance to claim.
I feel others, such as Miko and Sanae, covered this issue enough, and I didn't bring it up since Yoshika was pushing on me, so at the time, I was suspecting her naturally.this is golden because you can claim anything you want and say "oh i thought this too but i didn't want to bring it up" when there's no evidence of that in the thread.
Today I did a proper reread and saw Youmu's scummy behaviours, so I decided to agree with the bandwagons.xfd
Right now I'd rather see Youmu lynched above everyone else, but I'd rather wait some time for all the lurkers/inactives to posts something instead of ending day early, so I'll vote Youmu later.some of the lurkers/inactives have posted; do you have anything to say about them?
I feel like I'm berating a dying animal and it makes me feel mean :ckogasa, do you think youmu is scum?
voting youmu was his:getdown:
pedit: rather, if you think youmu is scum why do you care?Because just because they're scum do I have to make posts that do almost nothing useful and mostly just pick on them? :T
Sanae, why does the fact that Reimu won't be around to claim before deadline convince you to switch your vote to her?She actually said she won't vote Reimu over this.
I think calling me a lurker is unwarranted considering my posts with actual content.YOshIKa thINk nOT ConteNt!
I realized I just gave two completely conflicting opinions on how I feel about Yoshika. Oh whatever I need to start rereading rather then bothering with stuff that really isn't all that important right now.CrAzy umBRellA wHAt THinK YOshikA? ChoOSe!
Also wouldn't be surprised if Reimu ends up lynched.WhY No suRPRIse? CaN make CASE on Mean lADY?
Town: Reimu, Sanae, Kogasa, NueI'm gonna crack you in the melon if you seriously aren't going to consider any of these names as scum. I may give you Kogasa but the rest are nowhere near town-I'm-gonna-write-them-off level.
WhY No suRPRIse? CaN make CASE on Mean lADY?I can't really add anything that hasn't already been said, and there's not going to be any more input from her as she's alseep.
I can't really add anything that hasn't already been said, and there's not going to be any more input from her as she's alseep.No anY new WordS?
I'm gonna crack you in the melon if you seriously aren't going to consider any of these names as scum. I may give you Kogasa but the rest are nowhere near town-I'm-gonna-write-them-off level.Yeah I know, Seiga as town what was I thinking. In all seriousness if I were to order it in levels of suspicion, Nue and Sanae aren't as cleared to me as Reimu and Kogasa. Sorry, but Reimu just isn't scum and Kogasa is dropping all kinds of don't-ride-me tells. I'll explain more tonight. I do want more pressure off the derps and onto the people I see as the biggest non-contributors.
And Raymoo is like at L-4
No anY new WordS?I still don't entirely see Reimu as scum but I don't see her as obvious town like Kyouko, so she has a higher chance of flipping scum than the alternative, that is to say, me.
EvEN tHouGH HAlfbrEed atTAck YosHIKa foR VoTInG MeAN lADy eArLY?
Ah, a thought occurs as I commence my research. Miyako-chan, which of the present leading wagons do you prefer? You have previously expressed interest in seeing both hang and with your vote presently attached to the umbrella I am not sure where you sit on them against each other right now.YOshikA tHInK HaLFbrEED moRe deaTh...
NoT aTTempt CasENo one believed anything I said due to believing me to be scum as far as I could tell.
YOshIKa thINk nOT ConteNt!I didn't actually read what other people said about youmu, but did I really not come up with a single new point? ;_;
NoT AnyTHInG bUT sHEeP halfBREED cASE!
CRAzy UMBrella siT FEncE ALien tOO!This is a blatant misrep. I said I'm waiting for D2 because I want Youmu's flip first because I make a big case or anything, since Youmu's flip is incredibly relevant. If that translates to fencesitting you're just fucking nuts.
WhY wasTE tiME INstEAD mORe deCISION!More decision what?! Are you trying to hide behind your speech impediment? Seriously. I want Youmu lynched, I want Yuyuko lynched, I don't want Reimu lynched, I'm going to make a case on Nue tomorrow, what the hell else do you want from me woman?!
I didn't actually read what other people said about youmu, but did I really not come up with a single new point? ;_;NoT!
This is a blatant misrep. I said I'm waiting for D2 because I want Youmu's flip first because I make a big case or anything, since Youmu's flip is incredibly relevant. If that translates to fencesitting you're just fucking nuts.YoSHikA WanT deCIsION nOW!
More decision what?! Are you trying to hide behind your speech impediment? Seriously. I want Youmu lynched, I want Yuyuko lynched, I don't want Reimu lynched, I'm going to make a case on Nue tomorrow, what the hell else do you want from me woman?!YoSHiKA saY WaSTe TimE ON SamE ArGUmeNt HAlFbreEd!
AAAAA I'M GOING TO GO EAT A POT PIE... YoSHikA HunGry...
Also Futo, why does just dropping her vote and apologizing make Youmu fine for now?seiga already sorta covered this but to elaborate:
There are :reasons: that that particular brand of newb bleeding all over us is town.you mean these reasons?
Reimu: Super Fake Batman Hyper Town
Yoshika: That's alot more then forcing a 1 vs 1 though. I know it's hard to tell, but I'm pretty sure Reimu takes all those suggestions seriously. I don't believe Reimu is voting Yuyuko either. Besides, town are more likely to believe in their gambits and force terrible 1 vs 1's then scum. Scum are just more likely to take them up on it and pretend it never happened later. Come on, let's look at other people. Reimu probably isn't tasty.
Why would Reimu stop being suspicious of Yuyuko? I would suggest Reimu look for more reason to vote Yuyu but I don't see why acknowledging no one wants to PL because of a -silly- gambit is scummy.if there are actual reasons to think reimu are town please to be sharing them with the rest of the town. seriously, there's no downside. if you have actual reasons give them up so I can consider them. otherwise i see no reason to sheep your read; you are not a mafia goddess and confirmed town != confirmed right.
Stop sounding like you want to keep the easy targets open.if they're an "easy target" it means they did something scummy to make them an "easy target." and if reimu is an easy target why is she so hard to lynch? anyway i'd argue that youmu is more of an easy target for the number of sheeple on and off her wagon who have specified a desire to lynch her. it's like a party here.
Also stop sounding like huh what, I have reason to believe you are not in fact him.idk why you would think that b/c huhwhat is the mod. ofc im not huhwhat that would be silly.
Silly yes. Actively pushing at the beginning of the game to bring out the activity and being responsible for getting the game started, probably not. Scum don't want the attention and would have someone telling them that just dropping and running is a bad idea. Scum also don't think they're Town Magical Batman.Which you quoted the post where I said that and cut that part out. Are you trying to make me mad at you? I am a god damn mafia god of WAR you outdated old woman.
I believe neophytes can be expected to play as logic a game as possible regardless of their allegiance as they do not yet have the experience necessary to fully understand the nuances of reading for scum intent, so this does not override the feelings I get from what I discussed in the previous paragraph.
Futo-chan, dearie, I am not sure I understand what you are getting at by highlighting the fact that the gardener's vote for the umbrella's betrothed had changed by the time the Hakurei maiden cast her vote over it. If we accept the premise that the Hakurei maiden found the gardener's vote for the umbrella's betrothed weak and therefore scummy, does the change of the vote mean the vote was never cast or weak in the first place? I do not understand why a scummy stance cannot be considered scummy once the holder changes their mind.I don't think anyone is saying the vote was good. But in context, it could easily be a dumb slipup by an overeager townie and it's one of the weaker points of the youmu "case." i don't mind people questioning youmu on this point but reimu adopted it as the heart of her case with little else, which is what separates her from others pushing youmu. it reminds me of the way zakeri caught bardiche in mafia rules mafia. bardiche voted schezo because schezo had made a dumb shadoweh vote. but once schezo had retracted his vote, apologized for his mistake, and continued scumhunting, that point was null, and yet bardiche held onto the "bad vote." im not sure if i'm explaining this well but the gist of it is that yes, both town and scum make dumb votes, so the fact that reimu is pushing this point as the center of the case on youmu is what strikes me as bad.
Nooooo, I mean more like this reason.Which you quoted the post where I said that and cut that part out. Are you trying to make me mad at you? I am a god damn mafia god of WAR you outdated old woman.oh whoops; yeah i missed that because i was just going ctrl+f "reimu". i already responded to that though so i guess we have a difference of opinion there. *shrugs*
but once schezo had retracted his vote, apologized for his mistake, and continued scumhunting, that point was nullbut then the next vote youmu made was -also- bad
It's not like claims are this magical thing required for a lynch. They can help decide whom to lynch. But we can very well lynch someone without a claim, too.No. Unless they're the untimate scum abomination, you only need to look at last game for reasons not to do this.
I'll hammer in ten minutes anyway unless anything is going on.Give me a moment to put together some last words and then go ahead I guess.
Disagree with Futo; why is it townflail and not scumflail?i think it's more likely to be townflail because scumflail is a lot more hilarious (think Serela/PX from last game) and a lot less tryhard. it's like porn, you know it when you see it.
Even you've admitted Futo's thoughts are unchanging and rigid, oh miss Touhou Hijack. Do you not feel like her unwavering position is suspicious at all?>get called "unwavering" and "rigid"
Mountain canineYoSHika aSK whO mOUntAin CanINE...?
Yoshika, you can't eat me, the rest of the players need my flip to know to take everything I've been saying seriously.YOSHIKA ACCEPT CHALLENGE!
##Unvote, ##Vote YoshikaThese are all very good questions, along with a reasoned out vote. Unfortunately a search tells me that this question about what Yoshika finds odd about Sanae is not pursued, neither to get an answer or an acknowledgement it was ever answered. This seems to be a habit.
Miss Yoshika, I understand that you are confused as always, but what is it that you find odd about Miss Sanae's lack of reaction? For what we know, she may still be busying herself with this 'youkai extermination' act that she has yet to spot the wagon.
Miss Reimu, you're quite vocal for one who claims to be fatigued. Will we have the pleasure of seeing you take direct action in solving this incident, or will this sightseeing last long?
It would be good to have Miss Mamizou state if her vote is serious or not.
@SogaNegative, then. Have you anything in the way of thoughts? I would appreciate names of the perpetrators here.
yes go watch the video
Miss Mamizou, it's well established that you dislike Miss Reimu's trap. I would appreciate more diversity in your opinions.I can put my finger on why this bothers me so much now. It doesn't go anywhere. It neither cements Mamizou as a townread or a scumread. You throw out what looks like a prod in her direction and then just ignore her. There is no sense of pursual or interest. Since you barely have any posts and what's there is the barest of bones of input, this is a serious problem.
##Unvote, ##Vote YoumuRecall that Soge was voting for Yoshika before this post and you can be amused by how much her points against Youmu apply to herself. The initial vote against Yoshika was weak = sitation needed. How was it weak? The 'real' reason chosen for voting is a point that several others agree with = popularity contest voting. What this post is lacking is a reason what Youmu did is scummy. It tells us what she did, but not WHY holding onto a vote until the wagon was impossible is scummy.
I do not agree to Miss Yoshika's actions being excused this easily. Noteworthy is her waiting on Miss Reimu's content before reconsidering the vote. It is just as undesirable as Miss Yoshika claims Miss Reimu's "wait and see" act is. Nevertheless, stronger is my belief that Miss Youmu is the perpetrator in this junction. The initial vote against Miss Yoshika was weak but forgivable. However, as was agreed on by several others at this point, the voteswitch is less so. As more people showed up to stand by Miss Yoshika, the persuing of the vote turned more and more into refusal to let go of said vote -- eventually leading to the switch, since the wagon potential was not there as it was during the initial casting of the vote. The vote against Miss Sanae, in this case, is nothing more than a filler vote to avoid blanket unvoting.
Quote from: ReimuSince the meta is that the vocal ones die D1, so why would scum want to draw attention?No more of this for the rest of the game. It's WIFOM-y and wrong to say the least.Quote from: ReimuWhichmakes me likly town, albeit, dumbtown, following the meta and policy you cling to, and thus, Kogasa is right in defending me.Being right about something doesn't make one town, my sincerest apologies. In this case, Miss Kogasa's act of defending you may be "right" but it is also non-contributory and an easy way for scum to get away with posting. I see why people are interested in this lynch. Personally, I want to hear more from Miss Kogasa first.
My vote is here. Unimpressed by the defense. Not fond of lynching Reimu. Disagree with Futo; why is it townflail and not scumflail?Excuse me but why are you suddenly not fond of lynching Reimu? You were all for it a post ago. Why unimpressed with Youmu's defense? I dunno. Justification is far beyond ghosts. I'm also not sure whether she is expressing interest in lynching Reimu or Kogasa in the first paragraph, which is worse. If I can't tell who your suspects are, it just might be because you don't have any.
I doubt the existence of a D1 'Serelapony' in most games, unfortunately.It's you.
Konpaku Youmu (6): Kirisame Marisa, Kaku Seiga, Kochiya Sanae, Toyosatomimi no Miko, Kasodani Kyouko, Hakurei ReimuThat looks more properly representative. Seiga only unvoted to try and rev up a Reimu wagon. (While I disagree with the target, I agree with the reasoning, dismissing someone as just vanilla town is offending.) I'm pretty sure I'm town, and Reimu town etc. So.
Reimu's actions are really silly. From the early Day 1 gambit to her defensiveness (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg873354.html#msg873354) to her overcautiousness in voting (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg873614.html#msg873614) to stating the obvious about the VT claim (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg873758.html#msg873758) looks a lot like she's only trying to look like she has town's best interests in mind without really knowing what town's best interests are. The "random lynching is bad" and the "it's ok if we lynch VT" insistences are especially stupid, because nobody implied that we were going to random lynch or that we were not going to lynch because of the VT claim, and thus make Reimu look helpful while not being helpful, i.e. active lurking, which is pretty scummy. I personally think newbtown is just as prone to active lurking as newbscum is, so I'm still a little ambivalent, but Reimu should still go under more scrutiny.Anytiime you have to start a case with scum!Serela's favorite word you should realize it's probably not that good. But if you keep in mind your interpretation of her actions, that she doesn't seem like she knows what town's best interests are, it gives an explanation to why she would say those things in the first place. The difference between Reimu's game theory and Soga's game theory, in my opinion, is that Reimu's is being applied to use in the game itself. It's part of her thought process and part of her lynching reasoning, instead of a thing she discusses on the side.
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What was the purpose of Mamizou's response to Yuyuko's Kogasa vote again? I'm coming up blank. That response, plus the earlier post about how Mamizou thinks Yuyuko is lurking it out makes me think Mamizou is leery at BOTH Reimu and Yuyuko, which doesn't really makes sense for someone who thinks Reimu is wary of Yuyuko for weak reasons.I don't see how this implies scum!Mamizou considering Reimu/Yuyuko both had weak reasons for voting each other.
She doesn't seem very convinced that Mamizou is scum, since she changes her mind to say that Youmu is worse because "bandwagons" in her next post and calls for more content from Mamizou. I think null reads would get "post more plz" and scum reads would get "no content, you're scum". This makes me think that the Mamizou vote was made to get people off her back and that she has no actual scum reads.Admittedly the initial Mamizou vote was a kind of survival tactic derived from the fact that people dislike players without scumreads. At the time I had little enough time and enough distractions to keep me from getting a good look on everything going on in the thread.
I do not agree to Miss Yoshika's actions being excused this easily. Noteworthy is her waiting on Miss Reimu's content before reconsidering the vote. It is just as undesirable as Miss Yoshika claims Miss Reimu's "wait and see" act is. Nevertheless, stronger is my belief that Miss Youmu is the perpetrator in this junction. The initial vote against Miss Yoshika was weak but forgivable. However, as was agreed on by several others at this point, the voteswitch is less so. As more people showed up to stand by Miss Yoshika, the persuing of the vote turned more and more into refusal to let go of said vote -- eventually leading to the switch, since the wagon potential was not there as it was during the initial casting of the vote. The vote against Miss Sanae, in this case, is nothing more than a filler vote to avoid blanket unvoting.We'll start with the disconnect already clearly explained in this post from our friend Kyouko. While the reasons she had to vote Youmu can also be applied to herself she also is one of the weaker hops onto the Youmu wagon. The no "why dunnit" and lack of conviction is what stands out most here.
YoSHikA ANGeR aT mean ladY!
WaIT and sEe sCUm!
MeAn lAdy CaN Tell yoSHika wHy mean lAdY Think reAson giVen noT enOUGh fOR vOTe PrincESs?
Admittedly the initial Mamizou vote was a kind of survival tactic derived from the fact that people dislike players without scumreads. At the time I had little enough time and enough distractions to keep me from getting a good look on everything going on in the thread.
...Honestly I don't get this part about Kogasa's train of thought looking town Kyouko just says it looks town without really saying why. Not that I really see a problem with Kogasa though.
YoshikA waNT TheiF oPiNIon on MeaN lADy anD AliEn!Reimu's play is bad as has been noted. I really can't see her as scum after what Kyouko pointed out though. Particularly #83 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg873322.html#msg873322) and #91 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg873334.html#msg873334) give the impression of trying hard to get town headed towards a win. Call it gut I guess.
I am unhappy with the transition from "the case is interesting" to "Would support her lynch". "Interesting" cases are not the cases one supports, good and solid cases are.Uh, interesting as in I like what it points out and agree with the conclusions it makes. Bad choice of words again. :derp:
Reimu: Don't be lazy. Vote for whoever is scummiest. Don't worry about getting lynched, worry about getting scum lynched.
she's completely ignoring Reimu at the moment, not even commenting on Kyouko's will about Reimu.
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I think that Reimu's end of day play is still pretty bad and was viable as a counter wagon but as a new day we have a better lynch. I am in no way clearing her yet but giving her a null read that she needs to really contribute to because I want to see the light of town!Raymoo.
Hardly completely ignoring me, and she's not posted at all since I first did in D2. Either Kyouko convinced her Soga is more important that whatever she has against me right now, or she's bandwagoning. I personally think it's the former, since there's hardly a Soga wagon right now, with only two votes on her.
I think Seiga's taken on board what Kyouko said, at least enough to prioritize Soga over me.
You skipped over the fact that I was busy and not paying much attention.And this makes it better how? You didn't have time, but didn't want to look suspicious for having no scum reads, so you threw out a weak vote.
Also I fail to see how not having scumreads yet during that early point of the game is obvantitown.Uh. No scum reads = no idea who is scum = not able to put your vote on scum = not contributing to towns win condition by trying to lynch scum. Seems pretty clear to me, and there was enough info to at least have one scum read at that point.
Question: did any of you, at all, actually took time to look at what my reason for voting Youmu was? If so then comparing my vote to hers of all things makes 0 sense.
The other thing I absolutely can't fathom is how any of you got to the conclusion that I hated Reimu unless you literally took each and every one of my posts out of context. For example, let's take the post everyone liked linking so much. I was giving her pointers, for crying out loud. When did those ever imply that I was after her blood?
Miko's case is really the only one I can look at without blowing steam. She hit the bulls-eye and showed that I gave not too much of a fuck, so I guess what I'd ask from you now is to look over the rest of the case that seemed so great to you and tell me if it's as convincing of lurkscum. My D1 was lacking and is now a Youmu-tier point to sheep to what with the almighty mafia goddess' jumping to conclusions, so the best I can do now is make people snap out of it and look around. Which is what I'm doing now.
Oh, one last thing. I got on really close to deadline, so of course my priority was to get my opinions out there asap. Taking the time to look for reasons to justify a gut town read that wasn't getting lynched (at 45 minutes to deadline? hell no) was coincidentally not high on my priority list. Nor was going into detail with exactly what out of Youmu's defense made it wholly unconvincing, especially when she was on her way to scum graveyard.
So how about we just run Reimu up instead of talking about why we're chickening out of it?
It's not like claims are this magical thing required for a lynch. They can help decide whom to lynch. But we can very well lynch someone without a claim, too.
And who knows. Maybe she'll magical appear if we get her to L-1.
Please to be voting Reimu.
Miyako-chan, your vote intrigues me in a negative way. It comes with no effort to explain why the recent arguments for the Hakurei maiden's likely townhood are misguided or false. It also appears to come as a result of the Hakurei maiden's first post of the day. Why did you not vote for anyone today before she made her presence known? And why are you admonishing her for taking a "wait and see" stance when your opening series of posts for the day were to make calls to four separate people to post more while not casting a vote? Is that not also a "wait and see" approach? I have no idea right now who you think the enemy are outside of the Hakurei maiden, because your approval of the case on my poor wife was not accompanied by a vote, and you seem to now have internal conflicts regarding Kaku-san, the only other person of whom you spoke meaningful ill before your voting post.YoshiKa wANt MeaN ladY do SOmethinG!
YoshiKa wANt MeaN ladY do SOmethinG!
Yoshika maKE do SOmething!
Also, considering her main targets have been Reimu, Youmu, and recently Marisa and me, Seiga feels like she's trying to dive into every possible posting policy lynch candidate, especially as seen by bashing Youmu pretty much only for her fluff and "not reading the game".This line doesn't make sense. I said I would give input on you and Marisa not that I fosed you, get it right. That, and you're going to have to take apart my case on Youmu on why it was a fucking policy lynch if you want to throw out buzzwords. I expect to see this. You'll see it was far from a policy lynch and actually a standard case.
Following her [/Reimu] just now I find her behaviours very damning.Again, what the fuck?
This is what we're looking for. Looking back, she was pretty much taking a back seat with the Youmu lynch for the majority of D1. Questions are mostly directed at other people while "Youmu is still scum". When it comes down to it, her involvement in the wagon is minimal. Also, the only point concerning Nue between the initial "bleh, null" read and today is #335, in which no actual conclusion is given. D1 has been a lot of open ends in general. Now Kyouko's 'case' exists so I'm an option and Nue gets voted for the same reasons from earlier - why is she scum now and wasn't scum then? The fact that Marisa's play can be considered similarly active-lurkish and helpful-but-unhelpful to my D1 yet there's a noticeable gap in attention is also one of the reasons making me look in this direction.Why would there be a conclusion in a post that is questioning someone?
I find the thief, at the very least, exceptionally rude for refusing to at least acknowledge the existence of the yamabiko's request of her after she was prompted a second time.I thought what I had posted was enough, but ok. Will attempt to elaborate more in my next post.
Okay, this Yoshika vs. Reimu needs to stop. Yoshika hasn't had any new opinions on Reimu for quite a while now, so your push against her is getting VERY stale. She did go about doing things, so stop pestering her to do more things.does this mean you also think yoshika is also scum?
I thought what I had posted was enough, but ok. Will attempt to elaborate more in my next post.
Right now I'm leaning scum on Soga, Seiga, Mamizou and Marisa following Soga's post.there's no indication what parts of the marisa case you agree with, and in any case i dont know why you would sheep the case on someone who is apparently one of your stronger scumreads? case on seiga is pretty lol too but i think she's covered that.
I still find you claiming lack of notice towards Futo strange and scummy, but I cannot conclude that you're scum without more evidence of scummy behaviours from you and/or Futo's scum flip.i don't understand why this is strange and scummy and nue hasn't talked about why it would be strange and scummy. it looks to me like nue is opportunistically cherry picking a point from kyouko's overnight post without really thinking about what she's saying. which is what most of her posts are like, really.
Seiga's explanation of her Reimu stance isn't faulty but at the same time it's damning that she had to wait a night to settle that Reimu might be town despite everything when she's been denying that during D1. You normally make sure you're sold about X not being town before you push X off a cliff, and this reconsideration is something that should have happened yesterday (let's not forget that reimu was being called town by several). Weighing in here is also the fact that her vote on me is flawed for reasons already stated. This is where my vote goes if it isn't Marisa.
Anyway, people are more or less dropping Reimu now, but D1 is something to look at. Seiga actually reads fine here considering she actively compared the Youmu and Reimu votes, but then there's Futo. Nothing concrete, but the stances on Youmu and Reimu look like they're there for the occasion. Handwaving Youmu as townfail still doesn't sit well with me, in direct contrast to yelling at people to look at Reimu at the same time.don't understand how you get from "seiga's comparison of youmu and reimu was fine" to "seiga is scummy because she took a night to consider reimu!town"; looks like a suspicion driven by omgus. don't understand what you mean by my opinions being "there for the occasion" either, since i gave my justification based on their votes and words and i wanted reimu lynched over youmu because i thought she was more likely to flip scum, fancy that. handwaving schmandwaving; it's scummier that you're just handwaving everything i said as "handwaving" (look i can use buzzwords too.) i stand by the opinion that even without the benefit of the flip, if you just looked at the effort that youmu and reimu were putting into the lynches yesterday, reimu was a lazy git who deserved the lynch more.
Apart from Yoshika/Nue, I have zero interest in lynching anyone else who currently has a vote on them, and I want Youmu's flip before deciding more how I feel about either. Would be sunshine and happiness if Yuyuko was lynched, but I'm also totally happy with Youmu lynchings, so sunshine and happiness anyway! Hooray! I also think that Marisa is town and Youmu's Raw Potato claim is bs for :reasons:.
Youmu, don't get hung up over it. I have a ton of actual reasons I'm voting you. Or, well, pretend-voting you. It's like a little pebble on a hill.stuff like this still makes me think kogasa was addressing town!youmu despite her protestations to the contrary.
She started her vote on Yoshika in what I thought was conviction of scumI've already said, my initial vote on Yoshika wasn't serious. D1 I also had a weak scumread on Mamizou, but since it was weak and I was already voting Mamizou anyway I didn't state that outright. You said you wanted input from me and Marisa earlier, so I (perhaps incorrectly) interpreted that as casting a suspecting look in our direction. And if I go back to your (initial) Youmu vote, I can see that your reasons for voting Youmu was her fluff, her not reading the game and her voting Yoshika for "trolling". My FoS at you only came up today because only today I see you shrugging off Reimu after others vouching her townread and then doing what I thought was taking an interest in Marisa and me. As for Soga, Kyouko posted a case against her during the Night, half of which I believed in. Now if sheeping that now is disconnected and scummy then wouldn't that be the case for anyone having (and will have) an interest in voting Soga today because of reasons similiar to those outlined in Kyouko but expressed no interest in her D1?
BREAKING NEWSKyouko posted a bunch of cases/opinions over the Night. If I was having trouble getting clear reads on everyone and none of that makes me think that any of the people she FoS'd is scum then I'd be tumbling through this game not reading anything. For the Marisa case, I agree with Kyouko's statement (which later somewhat echoed by Soga) that she was quite lacking in opinions in non-Youmu people, and that she was trying to lurk and leaving options open. As for why I though Miko claiming ignorance concerning Futo was scummy:
Player rereads game, gets different opinions
Story at 3
I think Miko deserves some scrutiny, as it looks like scumbuddies attempting non-association to me.
I think Miko deserves some scrutiny, as it looks like scumbuddies attempting non-association to me.Given that you don't seem to show suspicion of me or Miko individually how does this follow and how is it different from any of the other non-associative tells other people have with each other? It's a fluff opinion.
does your suspicion of marisa stem mainly from her (relative) inactivity?
##Vote Yo-UHHHH actually with all the votes on her you can just pretend I'm voting her while I'm not actually doing so.YoSHikA aLso noT like This poSt!
Apart from Yoshika/Nue, I have zero interest in lynching anyone else who currently has a vote on them, and I want Youmu's flip before deciding more how I feel about either. Would be sunshine and happiness if Yuyuko was lynched, but I'm also totally happy with Youmu lynchings, so sunshine and happiness anyway! Hooray! I also think that Marisa is town and Youmu's Raw Potato claim is bs for :reasons:.
Miyako-chan, if you had cast your vote before the Hakurei maiden had made her presence known, for whom would it have been? I would also like to see you address the reasons the yamabiko and myself have brought up for the Hakurei maiden's likely townhood, since my previous post only implied that I wanted to hear this dialogue instead of outright asking for it. I grow nervous that you are trying to hang onto this vote in an effort to coast through the day given I believe a lynch of the Hakurei maiden is exceedingly unlikely.YosHIka finD what loOKing foR earlY!
Now that I'm really looking at her vs. me case, her case felt like she was testing the ice with weak reasons and poking first, and once people started paying attention and making more solid cases against me she took the leap and proclaimed "DEF SCUM KILL IT".My "weak reasons" seem to be a pretty integral part of the other "more solid cases" as well. Anyway, #462 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg874423.html#msg874423) should make it clear that I thought you were scum before other people jumped on you, since I'm saying you're obvscum in it.
(difference being I threw out weak votes and opinions to save face while sheeping, while she only sheeped wagon then provided opinions about not at all)I don't think my Youmu vote was as bad since I was the first to point out the weak Yoshika vote.
The part that addresses me in this post looks particularly bad. Summary: Repeat what I just said, decide that's scummy, and the rest is fluff + restate Miko's words. I don't see how anyone would want to make their options limited if it's D1 and they have few clear reads, especially considering how almost all her options were unexplored D1 and therefore 100% open.So part of why you find me suspicious is that I was "leaving options open", yet you're defending how you did the same thing. Pretty hypocritical.
YoSHikA actuaLLy thINk mEAn laDy noT sCUm sinCe YOShikA Say unDerstanDIng thinKIng...Oh boy, this again. So you voted Reimu to get her to make content, you're voting Kogasa to get her to make content. Also
YoSHIka jUSt wanT MEan laDY ConTribute so VoTE meaN laDY... [...]
NoT cONtent in SEcond DAy... YoshiKA waitiNG...
WaIT and sEe sCUm!:V
What's your opinion of Nue, again? Since my question in #489 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg874621.html#msg874621) was apparently not explicit enough.Yoshika sAY noT reALly THinking AliEn ScuM EarlY...
Oh boy, this again. So you voted Reimu to get her to make content, you're voting Kogasa to get her to make content.NoT!
Reimu, get back in here and snuff out your scumreads. I know you can do it.
Has spent considerable effort all game to stay out of the line of fire. Does give opinions and reads to a degree, but there's a pronounced sense of reserve in there.
Seiga: I just noticed she was one of the players not addressed by Kyouko's will. Considering how she said that if Youmu flips town Reimu is likely scum (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg873878.html#msg873878) in addition to her D1 distaste and push against Reimu (comparable to her vs. Youmu, even) she's completely ignoring Reimu at the moment, not even commenting on Kyouko's will about Reimu. Also, considering her main targets have been Reimu, Youmu, and recently Marisa and me, Seiga feels like she's trying to dive into every possible posting policy lynch candidate, especially as seen by bashing Youmu pretty much only for her fluff and "not reading the game". Following her [/Reimu] just now I find her behaviours very damning.
Assuming Miko's last post included a question of who I think is scum:
Right now I'm leaning scum on Soga, Seiga, Mamizou and Marisa following Soga's post. I'm leaning more on Soga/Seiga than Marisa/Mamizou however. I still find you claiming lack of notice towards Futo strange and scummy, but I cannot conclude that you're scum without more evidence of scummy behaviours from you and/or Futo's scum flip.
D1, yes, I did think Youmu was scum. I'm sorry for my choice of wording.
Yoshika sAY noT reALly THinking AliEn ScuM EarlY...So you're saying she still isn't scum? Why? Also I would actually like an answer to #489's question.
NoT tiMe rEreAd buT CuRrent THinkiNG noT chanGe...
I'm pointing out reasons your play is different from mine, actually. You would reach the conclusion that I was comparing our play if you only read the last sentence. Apparently that's enough to go on and accuse me of deflecting, though.That line was in fact a response to your last sentence as I felt my previous lines had covered the rest of your paragraph.
I feel like I should note Marisa's reason for clearing Seiga. Apparently it's easy to stay on Youmu considering the wagon's strength but it's impossible for scum to use that time to build a followup lynch instead.I was referring to Seiga's personal strength on the wagon more than the overall wagon strength actually.
This is her vote reason (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg873400.html#msg873400)And the reason is bad because ___?
About the extent of her pushing for Youmu is agreeing with points raised against her (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg873559.html#msg873559)
When I directly challenge her on the matter, asking for her opinion on matters as they stand, she just directs to a previous post. No further reasoning, despite new developments. I didn't even specify Youmu. She could have talked about anyone, or who she thought was town. #268 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg873721.html#msg873721)
She actually does provide a little justification very late D2, but by this point everyone's raised this several times (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.300.html)
However, it is This post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg874423.html#msg874423) that irks me in particular. It comes across as her just siting there like a nodding dog, re-iterateing points others have made. As Miko later says, she refused to aknowledge in this post the issues Kyouko raised against her as well, and did not do so until prompted. The eventual 'reads' she gives are hardly detailed (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg874621.html#msg874621), she's clearly not attempting to convince anyone.
So you're saying she still isn't scum? Why? Also I would actually like an answer to #489's question.
That line was in fact a response to your last sentence as I felt my previous lines had covered the rest of your paragraph.I was referring to Seiga's personal strength on the wagon more than the overall wagon strength actually.
And the reason is bad because ___?
Miko had already pointed out just about everything wrt to Youmu, so I really don't see how I could do anything aside from agreeing with the points raised against her.
You realise that Youmu hadn't posted anything since what I redirected to? This is somewhat of a misrep as I did in fact talk a little about other people in that post. None of my town reads were under scrutiny so mentioning them would have been pointless fluff.
What are you even trying to link here?
I don't see why mentioning my sources is a bad thing. I feel that my posts did give indications as to my reads. It looks like you're not satisfied with my reads because I didn't have a hundred words about each of them.
I'm not sure what exactly. How about your stance on the matter as it is now? Anything is better than nothing at all.
I'm just worried about '3rd party that wants to be lynched' because it's so obvious she's not town it's painful.To alleviate your fears: huh what stated that this game is explicitly not a bastard mod; Jesters and anything like them are strictly in bastard mod territory. So there is no way any sort of Jester is in the game unless huh what lied about the setup at the time he posted sign ups.
That line was in fact a response to your last sentence as I felt my previous lines had covered the rest of your paragraph.That didn't stop you from summing up the entire vote as deflection in #489, though.
Right now I'm leaning scum on (Soga, Seiga, Mamizou and Marisa following Soga's post).
Right now I'm leaning scum on Soga, Seiga, Mamizou and (Marisa following Soga's post).Understood it as the former, not the latter, so I'm glad Reimu brought this to my attention. About the point regarding Seiga, though, I feel both she and I are pointing at the same thing (that being the off switch of opinion, rather than complaints that it doesn't exist). Regardless, I'll take a closer look at her ISO tomorrow.
To alleviate your fears: huh what stated that this game is explicitly not a bastard mod; Jesters and anything like them are strictly in bastard mod territory. So there is no way any sort of Jester is in the game unless huh what lied about the setup at the time he posted sign ups.
Understood it as the former, not the latter, so I'm glad Reimu brought this to my attention.
YoshIka wANt reaD more PrincESs buT AgreE what REad TodAY...Please clarify what you mean here. I don't know if you mean you agree about what Yuyuko's said, or if you agree what people are saying about Yuyuko, and in the latter group there's differing opinions on her (Some say SCUM while some say REALLY BAD BUT ALSO MAYBE TOWN, etc)
YoShikA stIll thinK aTTack oNLy dEfend mEan ladY bad!I really can't tell what you're trying to say here :S
CraZy umBRella sAY still INterest in YOShika lyncH bUT also deterMine HalFbReed bad foR YoshikA reaSon!Are you blaming me of sheeping your case for when I voted Youmu, here? Uh. That's pretty reaching. >_> Seriously. If that IS what's going on I'll go dig out where you voted Youmu and then answer this in more detail, but.
YOshiKA woNDer how Crazy UmbreLLA fEel abOUt YoshiKA after HAlfbReed Flip!how I feel about Yoshika:There are bigger fish to fry p.much
YOshika alsO wonder whY meNTion YOShika if VoTE HalfBReed foR voTE YOshika!
So you're saying she still isn't scum? Why? Also I would actually like an answer to #489's question.
What's your opinion of Nue, again? Since my question in #489 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg874621.html#msg874621) was apparently not explicit enough.
Miyako Yoshika: Third choice. Why is she ok with Nue when her reasons for voting Reimu (no case, appeasement, etc) are equally applicable to Nue?
Yoshika sAY noT reALly THinking AliEn ScuM EarlY...YoshiKA noT rEAson fOR tHINK AlieN oKAy BuT Gut!
NoT tiMe rEreAd buT CuRrent THinkiNG noT chanGe...
Please clarify what you mean here. I don't know if you mean you agree about what Yuyuko's said, or if you agree what people are saying about Yuyuko, and in the latter group there's differing opinions on her (Some say SCUM while some say REALLY BAD BUT ALSO MAYBE TOWN, etc)YoSHika meaN uNDerstANding WOrd thAT pRincEss Scum!
I really can't tell what you're trying to say here :SMeaN YoshIkA nOTice CraZY UmBREllA ONly attACK PeopLE who AttACK MEan laDY eArly Day FIRST!
Are you blaming me of sheeping your case for when I voted Youmu, here? Uh. That's pretty reaching. >_> Seriously. If that IS what's going on I'll go dig out where you voted Youmu and then answer this in more detail, but.NOt!
how I feel about Yoshika:There are bigger fish to fry p.muchSamE fOR ALien yoSHikA gueSS?
Also I'm not sure what you're trying to say in the second sentence of that last quote in my post there, either.YoSHIka ThinK cRAzy umBRella hedgING bET bY lEavINg Many opTion opEn!
MeaN YoshIkA nOTice CraZY UmBREllA ONly attACK PeopLE who AttACK MEan laDY eArly Day FIRST!I stand by my opinion that you and Yuyuko's votes for her weren't good (Yuyuko's was during ED1 and not -that- bad but I thought yours was just plain scummy)
CraZY UmBRElla Say HAlfBreED SCuM foR Vote YOSHika!It's D1, it's completely realistic to expect that all my scumreads aren't going to be correct. Just because one person I think is scum is voting someone else I think is scum doesn't mean they're both town. For what it's worth I definitely would have had Youmu die over you though, not counting the part where now I have mod confirmation Youmu is town (for obvious reasons)
MEaN thINk hAlfbrEed wrONG but STill saY YoshikA suSPicioUs!
ConTraDict?
That didn't stop you from summing up the entire vote as deflection in #489, though.True. Should've been more clear on that I suppose.
Unless I'm misreading and you're saying that Kogasa also thinks this about Nue.YeS!
I really wish you would drop the RP.What IS rP...?
Actually Yoshika, I was voting you only to get you to be a little clearer on your case and push. I wasn't very confident that you were scum, and I didn't think the wagon would come to a lynch either once town starts getting scummier reads.So that's why it didn't feel all that sincere :V
@Marisa, Sanae: Yesterday when I voted Mamizou I was doing other stuff, and so I didn't read the thread too closely. I just happened to notice Mamizou keeping on pressing the Reimu vs Yuyuko case in an unrelated, non-contributive way, and recalled that she had been posting but never really produced real content, so I started on her. Today I did a proper reread and saw Youmu's scummy behaviours, so I decided to agree with the bandwagons. I usually just start a new reply and jot down things I notice while I read, so sorry for cramming my unnecessary town/null reads in there.This feels weird and like she sort of plopped down her vote on Mamizou to have a vote down somewhere. It's like... here she gives a reason, but it's like, what's the point? Maybe that's not the right way to put it. It feels... off.
Admittedly the initial Mamizou vote was a kind of survival tactic derived from the fact that people dislike players without scumreads. At the time I had little enough time and enough distractions to keep me from getting a good look on everything going on in the thread./me headdesks
...I forgot futo existedseems likely, since you ignored the question i asked of you.
want to see where kogasa goes with her posts today before passing judgement on her, especially a followup on this statement and how youmu's flip affects her reads:
Apart from Yoshika/Nue, I have zero interest in lynching anyone else who currently has a vote on them, and I want Youmu's flip before deciding more how I feel about either. Would be sunshine and happiness if Yuyuko was lynched, but I'm also totally happy with Youmu lynchings, so sunshine and happiness anyway! Hooray! I also think that Marisa is town and Youmu's Raw Potato claim is bs for :reasons:.
Futo-chan, does this mean you do indeed have a Shift key? I am most pleased! As I no longer need to purchase a new keyboard for you, this will save us money for the tasty modern treats the three of us have found so marvelous.teaspit.jpg
However, as was agreed on by several others at this point, the voteswitch is less so. As more people showed up to stand by Miss Yoshika, the persuing of the vote turned more and more into refusal to let go of said vote -- eventually leading to the switch, since the wagon potential was not there as it was during the initial casting of the vote.This is the part where you subtly take popular opinion to hype up your post a bit and it leaves the part where you vote her a bit reportery. No I'm not asking you to be all townie macho look at this strongarm shit. Don't be stupid.
Miss Reimu, you're quite vocal for one who claims to be fatigued. Will we have the pleasure of seeing you take direct action in solving this incident, or will this sightseeing last long?And this
No more of this for the rest of the game. It's WIFOM-y and wrong to say the least.or this.
Being right about something doesn't make one town, my sincerest apologies. In this case, Miss Kogasa's act of defending you may be "right" but it is also non-contributory and an easy way for scum to get away with posting. I see why people are interested in this lynch. Personally, I want to hear more from Miss Kogasa first.I don't know about everyone else but I'm pretty sure when you call someone out for being wrong or false clearing themselves, you're casting some suspicion at them. I'm just fucking saying. This is when she also says she sees why people would want to lynch Reimu. That clearly isn't opposing the lynch. It sounds to me like she is almost going along with it right?
Seiga's explanation of her Reimu stance isn't faulty but at the same time it's damning that she had to wait a night to settle that Reimu might be town despite everything when she's been denying that during D1. You normally make sure you're sold about X not being town before you push X off a cliff, and this reconsideration is something that should have happened yesterday (let's not forget that reimu was being called town by several). Weighing in here is also the fact that her vote on me is flawed for reasons already stated. This is where my vote goes if it isn't Marisa.
Seiga. When town sees someone calling their vote bullshit they either prove them wrong or reconsider their stance.Maybe I didn't feel like typing this wall yesterday like I already explained. No, it has to be one or the other but it's ok for you to be lazy so I should let you off the hook for that? Why should I?
I will make the response to Toziko in another post since this is enough for now.
I don't feel like respond to Toziko right now, my apologies madam.Blatantly ignoring. Watch out folks, stud alert. I was ignoring her so hard.
Maybe I wasn't clear enough earlier in regards to her Reimu stance. The problem isn't reconsidering reads overnight. The problem is not doing so when you wanted to swing the damn wagon from someone you also thought was scum.Yeah here's a thought. You weren't clear enough. In fact the logic before this was so bad before you elaborated further as I already pointed out in this post that I didn't consider it to be a real attack. Why would I consider if someone is town when people are giving weak townreads and Reimu is sitting there throwing up a big red flag in my opinion that screamed: "Look at her fucking reaction towards Youmu. Youmu might flip town and she's trying to set herself up to look better when she does. Man you better get on that!"
Feeling this stronger than Marisa, but my thoughts there are more or less unchanged. No, I do fully expect you to post your thoughts on something instead of dryly stating faults and waiting for a reply if they're enough for a vote a day later while staying exactly the same. Nue's response wasn't much of anything, so I don't see how that'd give you a clear green light to anything if it wasn't there before. Also relevant is how your end-all reason for voting her is lack of reads when it was a recurring theme during the entire game so far. You could have chatted about Nue's uselessness on D1 too but you didn't, because a wagon was happening and you were content with that. You're doing it now because it's useful to getting a wagon going.Since this is mostly just a really roundabout way of calling me opportunistic in 50+ words to make it look like a better point let me say that when I have someone sheeping the case of someone I think is scum I'm not all that inclined to bash the ever loving fuck out of them for having what I perceive as the correct read even if the content as a whole is mediocre. I should be letting her slip by with lack of reads when the whole game is doing that? Negative. Here's a thought. Maybe Nue is actual maf lord and not this embodiment of town you keep trying to make her out to be. Seriously, what the fuck is this?
Notable is that Nue is also guilty of sheeping the case when I specifically told people not to. You explained your stance to some degree but I have no idea where that ranks up with Seiga or Marisa, the latter of which you expressed more dislike at recently. In fact you've posted a lot more on other people. Just because I'm the other wagon doesn't mean your vote belongs there, sis. I have faith in you (already stated that i like your opinions today) so actually look around and change that vote. And town have nothing to :ohno: about from wagons, so you should act accordingly.First off I think you're still townreading Nue, in whichcase this opening of this paragraph looks like you're fosing her so I really don't know. Next, why are you appealing to her without logic and just, "you need to vote elsewhere dear, nevermind what your scumreads or what you're thinking is."
I'm pointing out reasons your play is different from mine, actually. You would reach the conclusion that I was comparing our play if you only read the last sentence. Apparently that's enough to go on and accuse me of deflecting, though. What the hell? This would be the only thing you brought up against me too, since you rightly concluded that all else you're doing is sheeping to cases. I'm fully expecting people to give her hell for this when she finds it enough to justify a switch (since apparently it's enough to rank me above Yoshika).I actually don't know what part of what this is addressing so point this out again please.
offering very little in the way of opinions of the major suspects todayYoshIKa sAY Agree LouD lady WOrd AbouT FaKE feVEr buT nOT new THinking to Add...
wants to read more of the ghost princess.YoshiKA sAy somEwhere YoshiKA noT waNt PrinCess lYnch!
given she is giving the shapeshifter, who did basically the exact same thing, an ally passYoSHika noT acTually Read Alien yet... NoT time...
without acknowledging their explanationYosHIka time aFter Half Hour so YOShika reAd evERything then!
Kyouko vs. Soga: I thought there was more to Reimu vs. Soga than I thought from reading Kyouko's case, but apparently the only instance that can be interpreted as Soga wanting to lynch Reimu was the quote in the case >_> Soga was taking a :educate the newb: stance earlier on Reimu so I think that quote can be interpreted as Soga trying to right Reimu's wrong plays also. A large part of her game theory talk was towards Reimu too. However, it's true that when we filter out all the :educatethenewb: sauce there's barely anything left, she leaves pretty much all of her questions hanging, and her voteswitch was a sheep too (ehehe look who's talking ), so I'd still ##FoS her.Admittedly it's not that strong but she's the one I find scummiest at this point, and admittedly others have also produced good cases against her that I'm willing to sheep.
YoshIKa sAY Agree LouD lady WOrd AbouT FaKE feVEr buT nOT new THinking to Add...
YosHIka see NOt poINt in voTe wHEn oTher already vote wiTH louD lAdy word...
YoshiKA sAy somEwhere YoshiKA noT waNt PrinCess lYnch!
YoSHika noT acTually Read Alien yet... NoT time...
YoSHika noT Time to Read anyTHing Day Second... OnlY skim...
YosHIka time aFter Half Hour so YOShika reAd evERything then!
It is also worth noting that, much in the same vein as my dear wife's first day, she called for opinions from the thief (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg874337.html#msg874337), opinions that are given (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg874423.html#msg874423) and then are never acknowledged.YoshIka ASk OpiNION deCidE noT pREss THIef fURther and FoRget...
Convincing others wasn't part of your trap. You just baited votes and jump on the first person that bites.
Appeasement is not necessarily a scummy trait. The way I see it newbs usually instinctively defend themselves quite a bit.YoSHika wONder wHAt hAPPen THis...
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I'm thinking that too.
Actually Yoshika, I was voting you only to get you to be a little clearer on your case and push. I wasn't very confident that you were scum, and I didn't think the wagon would come to a lynch either once town starts getting scummier reads.AS yOshiKA rEAd moRE thINK EARly poST AbouT VOte YOshikA SEem ConTRIVe...
Mamizou, I find it strange that you keep insisting that Reimu still suspects Yuyuko. Also earlier when Youmu said Reimu "backed down" from her gambit and vote on Yuyuko, you said that it wasn't dropped (? unless you're talking about Reimu's suspicions on Yuyuko, which would make that post out-of-place as no one said anything about Reimu's suspicions either). What is your reason for insisting that Reimu's suspicions remain? And (not to defend Reimu, but) even if said suspicions are still there, why would scum seriously "suspect" town? Scum would prefer to avoid tunneling anyone, especially this early in the game, and leave their options open, don't you think? And even if I'm wrong about that last sentence, why would scum want to appear to be suspicious of anyone this early into the game over an unreliable gambit?
Fine, I'll reiterate. Right now Mamizou seems scummiest to me. Agree that Youmu's recent doings are also scummy.YoSHikA nOT cAN See reasON foR FLuFFy bAd to ALien...
##Vote Mamizou
I've got to go now, though. I'll look over things more closely and give a firmer opinion tomorrow.
Mamizou still hasn't produced opinions on other players yet, will continue staring at her until she does. Mamizou feels like she's just jumping on Reimu's failed gambit for an easy vote with no :effort:. Also, again, I don't see why it matters whether Reimu still suspects Yuyuko or not, Mamizou should stop pursuing this fact unless she gives a good reason to.YoSHika ThiNK ConTRAdicTIon hERe...
Marisa and Yuyuko...I would like to see more from them to be able to form proper opinions.
Admittedly the initial Mamizou vote was a kind of survival tactic derived from the fact that people dislike players without scumreads. At the time I had little enough time and enough distractions to keep me from getting a good look on everything going on in the thread.YoSHIka very WOnder aBouT thiS meaNIng...
Regardless, a negative opinion of my dearest was still an incredibly simple opinion to hold, and with no effort put into the specific yamabiko's words with which you consented, it barely counts as a suspicion at all. As was seen through the course of the day, the yamabiko's case was neither flawless nor all-encompassing; there were easily-discussable aspects of it. That you made no effort to do so greatly lowers the worth of your agreement as an opinion of who may be the enemy.YOSHIka nOT ReaLlY ReaD FaKE feVER buT YOShikA Find AGRee LoUD lAdy THinkiNG...
Vs. Kogasa: ...Honestly I don't get this part about Kogasa's train of thought looking town :V Kyouko just says it looks town without really saying why. Not that I really see a problem with Kogasa though.YoSHIka WOndER whY nEEDING meNTIon iF THink Crazy umbrella noT pROblem...
@Your reply to my post: First point: I DID have a scum read on Mamizou by end of D1 (which I can't do much to pursue much now except by pointing how Mamizou's still sheeping it up instead of posting anything else), and if you still have problems with me only having 1 D1 scumread I have no non-meta defense against it, I admit. Second point: I was referring to the people Kyouko mentioned outside of the list. I mentioned this because you slipped my mind because Kyouko barely mentioned you at all.YoSHika NOTice AliEn keEp SnipE FluFFY!
@My sheeping Soga over Mamizou: Well, during the Night I only have 1 scumread, the suspect has barely posted anything, Kyouko posted a decent case against Soga. If I were to keep pushing for Mamizou lynch instead, what new point am I going to tread on? Also, for the disconnection problem, see my response to Futo.
Ack gonna skip the SogaWall for now.YoSHIka WonDER noT even Skim...?
Reimu why aren't you voting Nue when she clearly has logic errors? I don't think your case on Marisa is going anywhere since it can be applied to a weak townie anyway.
So here's our policy lynch.
##Unvote
##Vote Reimu
What's worse is the opportunistic vote that follows. Reimu is silly, but not scummy!FiRST thINg YoSHika ThinkING iS cRAzy uMBrelLA vOTE pRInceSS early foR VoTE Mean LAdy...
##Unvote:Hakurei Reimu
##Vote: Saigyouji Yuyuko
@kogasa because im having a hard time understanding why reimu is voting yuyuko and reason she thinks of her as scum >.<
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enough
##unvote
##Vote: Reimu
If Reimu sincerely thinks NL is a good idea, it's entirely reasonable for her to suggest it as either alignment. If she already knows it's a bad idea, she's not going to suggest it as town... and being scum isn't going to make her go "I should suggest this bad idea! :]" because she knows it's bad and that it won't help her to suggest it.AGain maNY tiME earLy Day FirsT foCus On dEFenD MeaN LAdy!
Besides, you're acting like people would actually consider following through on it. It's not beneficial to scum to suggest that because there's no way in hell it'd actually happen. It's null.
and at best it shows... still completely null, and it's not any more likely she's scum then someone else.YoSHika ALSO noT like INsiST NulL!
I realized I just gave two completely conflicting opinions on how I feel about Yoshika. Oh whatever I need to start rereading rather then bothering with stuff that really isn't all that important right now.YoSHika THink wAS iMporTAnT cONsiDEring vOTe YOshiKA LoNG timE!
But yeah, Yuyuko feels like she's still stuck in ED1, and her posts/cases/etc are about as :quality: as you'd expect her to be... if it was still ED1. :TYoSHika see Crazy UmbrElla COmPlAin yoshiKA rEPiTItIon bUT KeEp sAY WAnt VoTE PriNCesS FoR sAme REaSOn ALSO!
She'd have to be pretty darn fabulous D2 for me to change my mind on her at this point. Her d1 has been more lackluster then a soggy piece of notebook paper.
Nue:TBH I really probably should have just kept it to myself until later, because it'd be pretty bad for me to explain now, and Youmu's getting lynched anyway.
All your explanations on the Yoshika vote are terrible, you get off it as the wagon dies with "Well I reread her and I changed my mind" and your followup suspects are two people purely for the fact that they haven't posted much instead of any actual reasons, and then the vote you do along with them is 100% sheeping to someone's Sanae vote.YoShikA ThINK CRAzy UMbrelLA eVEn mORe BAd!
I spent like ALL OF MY ED1 talking to her
SHE HAS LIKE NO POSTS OTHER THEN HER INCONSEQUENTIAL TALKING TO ME ED1
I SAID ALL THERE IS TO SAY ABOUT HER PRETTY MUCH
>I spent like ALL OF MY ED1 talking to herCraZY umBRElla Talk PRinCesS ENDinG veRY UnCleAR...
I realize this isn't really talking about her
but the rest of what I said about covers that
I mean more what I said about her after I came back
I can elaborate more on it later when she's like actually a lynch candidate but tbh I don't think there's much more to elaborate on right now
actually im going to go ahead and cut yoshika to talk about kogasa and why i want her to actually put out something solid.
the problem i have with kogasa is that beyond the scumread on yuyuko (id be surprised if anyone didnt have a scumread on yuyuko at this point) she waffles on all her other suspects and doesnt actually come to a conclusion on anyone. it's all oh hey this person did something sorta scummy and sorta not scummy WELL THEY COULD BE SCUM. you say soga is one of the worse looking people on the playerlist, but admit you haven't read her, wtf? similar with all kogasa's other suspects.
this brings me to my next point; ffs just look at kogasa's lynching pool. it's not a pool of scumreads, it's a pool of people she doesnt have townreads on. this lets her get away with murder if she's scum. there's no justification and it lets her get away with any ~*compromise lynch*~ out of the pool given her relative inactivity and the fact that she's sitting on yuyuko right now.
in conclusion, :psyduck:
Also that post of mine was attacking you because you also left your options open. So yeah we're accusing the other of the same thing.I'm not seeing it as an attack, since you're saying that no one would want to make their options limited on D1. This reads as if you think it's fine to do this as town. So why are you attacking me for it?
The rest I consider fluff because those are just added jabs at my previous posts, noting them but not explaining why those are scummy, as the way I see it the particular parts you quoted aren't very damning of scum behaviour. The @Kyouko was expressing my confusion at Kyouko's reason for reading town. If I didn't say I had no problems with Kogasa back then it'd have looked like I was disagreeing with the possibility of town!Kogasa. And how was my #200 indicative of scum at all? If I was afraid of being compared to scummy players shouldn't I just keep my mouth shut about it and veer my play from theirs? Also I've intentionally used the repetition of words to not appear very serious or nervous, if you didn't catch.Ok. Voting someone to appease people that are targeting you is scummy because it implies that you do not actually think they are scum, and are only voting them to keep yourself alive. Not having scum reads is scummy because it shows you're unable to vote or even find scum, possibly because you yourself are scum. Keeping your options open is scummy because it allows you to jump on anyone that is under pressure later on without having to justify how your thoughts have changed from before. Your initial statement about Kogasa was somewhat unclear on your actual stance, and later on in #465 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg874480.html#msg874480) you mention that you didn't acknowledge her as town. So I'd say it still looked like you were disagreeing with the possibility of town!Kogasa (leaving options open) or at best you were mentioning it to appear active (active lurking). What do you think of Kogasa? About #200, I could see scum doing it your way or lampshading it in the thread. It's not exactly a strong point though so I'll drop it. I'd like to note that you also are not explaining why things are scummy however. Why are you trying to not appear serious/nervous anyway?
YOSHIka nOT ReaLlY ReaD FaKE feVER buT YOShikA Find AGRee LoUD lAdy THinkiNG...Toziko has responded to Kyouko's case, it's pretty ridiculous that you haven't even noted this. Also agreeing to a case when you didn't really read the target looks bad. Like you're willing to lynch because it's there.
BEcAUse YOShika AgREe LOUd lAdy buT nOT nEW THinkING Add YoshiKA LOok ElseWHeRE!
@YoshikaToziko has responded to Kyouko's case, it's pretty ridiculous that you haven't even noted this. Also agreeing to a case when you didn't really read the target looks bad. Like you're willing to lynch because it's there.YoShikA nOT SEe reSPond Post...
And to conclude your Nue post, you think Nue is... What alignment? I can tell your gut isn't saying town anymore, but more clarity would be nice.YoSHika guT stilL sAy TOwn...
@People voting Yuyuko: While it's true Yuyuko is lurking it out to the max, aside from lurking I can't really see scummy things from her
No, Yuyuko I can't buy your oneliner because you don't ever explain anything. She should have been vigged but since there is not one she can be lynched.
Day vigs exist and I think they're still called vig. So yes, someone should have popped her a good one.
... and prefers lynching someone she doesn't really think is scum over her supposed scum reads.I mean, maybe I'm biased, but I don't see how someone that was actually reading the thread would get the idea that people would rather lynch Yuyuko instead of me.
I mean, maybe I'm biased, but I don't see how someone that was actually reading the thread would get the idea that people would rather lynch Yuyuko instead of me.
Unless what you said came out wrong, because it almost sounds like you're saying you think you're scummier than Yuyuko...I'm not saying that at all. What I'm saying is that two people that I can remember have expressed interest in lynching Yuyuko over just about anyone else. Considering it takes 6 to lynch, and more people (Nue, Miko, Yuyuko, Toziko) have said they would vote me over others (which includes Yuyuko), it's ridiculous that she thinks Yuyuko is more likely to be lynched.
Yes, D2 has improved my opinion of you.
This would be a good time for Miko and Yoshika to make up their minds where they stand in regards to those three, as their lynches are going nowhere. I'm willing to vote any of those three in the end, although I'd prefer Yuyuko, I'm happy to go with the majority to ensure a lynch.YoSHikA cHooSE AliEn buT noTIce YOshiKA VoTE mAke mInuS One LYncH sO YoSHIka nOT vOTE for NOW...
(Miyako-chan, why are you holding it against the shapeshifter that she revealed her vote against you to be no more than activity prod when you have admitted to doing the exact same thing to the Hakurei miko, and on a day with more readily-available information, no less?)BeCAusE ALiEn NOT mAke ThiNKIng oN AnyONE bUT YOSHIkA and SAy oNLy iNfoRMaTIon proD!
YoSHikA cHooSE AliEn buT noTIce YOshiKA VoTE mAke mInuS One LYncH sO YoSHIka nOT vOTE for NOW...
>V-V-Votecount!Nope, clearly not a minus one vote here. I fail to see how your vote is -1.
Kochiya Sanae (2): Kasodani Kyouko, Kirisame Marisa
Futatsuiwa Mamizou (1): Kaku Seiga
Hakurei Reimu (1): Konpaku Youmu
Kaku Seiga (1): Miyako Yoshika
Kirisame Marisa (1): Tatara Kogasa
Konpaku Youmu (1): Soga no Toziko
Miyako Yoshika (1): Saigyouji Yuyuko
Soga no Toziko (1): Mononobe no Futo
Tatara Kogasa (1): Kochiya Sanae
Not Voting: Futatsuiwa Mamizou, Hakurei Reimu, Houjuu Nue, Toyosatomimi no Miko
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. You have ~46.5 hours left in the day
also yes i do think its a fake claim do to sanae and kyouko flipsExplain.
Vote Marisa. We're not lynching Nue today.you first
I'll probably have some actual time to make a real post before deadline. Hopefully.
you firstConsidering I'm asking you to explain why the player you think is scum has just put down a fakeclaim, an explanation that would considerably contribute to that player's lynch if it's solid, this answer strikes me as pretty strange. Even moreso considering you're not trying to get me lynched over Nue, going by what you've said.
And your fos on me literally came out of bum fucking nowhere.Except for other people expressing interest in lynching you today. Her scum / town list is pretty interesting in light of this.
Except for other people expressing interest in lynching you today. Her scum / town list is pretty interesting in light of this.so are your reads. ohwait
town peeping tom here, aka town watcher(not the actual role name here) watched nue last night. she performed her action successfully. So unless as a town cop she found a reason to lie about her results when shes a main wagon, nue is scum.Was watcher mentioned somewhere in your PM?
just the commandI see.
-cuts-so you reply to my claim with an omgus rather then keeping your vote on a viable wagon?
Huh. My night results definitely said I failed my night action; so your claim is a lie. I know I have no proof for this though.
##Unvote
##Vote Mamizou
+ If you say your powers tell you whether a player successfully uses an action or not by seeing if they leave their house, how is this supposed to fit with Sanae's "death"? As I recall she was called back to her shrine for some reason. Now if it's possible to "die" in a way like that, where would be this "house" Sanae is supposed to be in at night if she gets roleblocked/doesn't use her night action? Also, why didn't you mention the detail in #631 earlier?none of this made sense to me
I've been holding off in case people still have things to say.
- My night action targeted the raccoon last night and also inexplicably failed.
##unvoteThis is a scum gambit btw.
##Vote: Mamizou
<- demanding policy lynch miko seiga nue and yuyuko should be more then enough for majority
oh my fucking god i dont evengambit mafia is still a go B)
what you're doing right now is so unfathomable as town (why would you not vote someone in a 1v1 against "confirmed scum"; there are enough people to lynch her) but it's equally unfathomable as scum (only thing i can think of is a really bad gambit)
gambit mafia is still a go B)::)
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Peeping Tom (Active): Disguises make it pretty easy to sneak around, so each night, you may ##Watch another player. If this player stays home, you will learn who targeted them. Otherwise, you will only be told that they left their house.
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Networker (Active): Once in the game, you may ##Network two players at night. You will summon them with Royal Clan's Chaotic Dance, and they will be able to talk to eachother outside of the game thread through the state-of-the-art technology of Boss Dialogue During Spellcards? until one dies. You may not self-target with this ability.
I liked the part where there aren't any legitimate protective roles and Miko died.I find it odd how you keep saying "THERE ISN'T ____" when we've got no actual reason to think there was no night-vig (Because not shooting n1 is totally normal) and there's no real reason there can't be a protective role still (Unless you think the two flipped town roles means there isn't) but whatever, not going to get into actual setup spec nor do I actually think you're scum, it just bugs me that you keep saying things like this.
Going to reread day end yesterday tomorrow to see if I can get anything out of the ridiculousness. Unless it shows something that makes it super unlikely Nue+Yuyuko scum together, Yuyuko is still scum too.Counterwagon to soon-to-be-flipped scum.
Lol. Of course I want to lynch confirmed scum. I just thought that maybe we could get some use out of this day besides that.
Considering the circumstances leading up to your reaction to Nue's claim, none of that stuff you said about Mamizou had happened yet. The selfvote was pretty clever in my opinion considering that Yuyuko was likely to be lynched instead of anyone else at the time, due to Miko supporting Nue's claim. It got this 1v1 resolved now instead of wasting a day getting rid of a useless town.
YoSHikA cHooSE AliEn buT noTIce YOshiKA VoTE mAke mInuS One LYncH sO YoSHIka nOT vOTE for NOW...
Because Nue is town. I believe her over you.
Marisa if you're going to play this game where you are waiting to justify voting the town PR. I'm onto you.
Oh a miracle can occur.
##Unvote:
##Vote: Mamizou
Why did Marisa unvote Nue when Yoshika had shown support for the lynch just beforehand?Because scum is likely to selfhammer in order to cut discussion short if possible. I wanted to avoid this to let everyone get their opinions out there.
Because scum is likely to selfhammer in order to cut discussion short if possible. I wanted to avoid this to let everyone get their opinions out there.
I'll also note that Yoshika had just left and there was no guarantee that she would be back before deadline.
Your position on this is completely mind-boggling, and if you truly think wanting town to have more information is scum motivated (I think it's null at worst), I have no idea what to say to you.
In other news Toziko prod dodging and running off again still confirms her as scum. Yay tomorrow's lynch.[/color]
Will be thoroughly analyzing the latest mess of a dayend along with people in general today. Nue is today's lynch, though. (I think we're at 3 votes out of 5)Counterwagon to soon-to-be-flipped scum.
PS my towntells suck, getting a new gut.
##Vote Nue
:/
I guess that makes me scum for being active during the end of the day. No need to worry about that from me for the rest of the game. You all swing the end of the day however you please from now on.Not liking the AtE here.
Anyway, Mamizou probably would have been lynched today, with Miko's claim.???
Reading Nue's posts again kind of makes me want to kill Kogasa actually.Specifically, things like
Haven't had any problems with Kogasa yet, but there also isn't enough content from her to get a clear read for now.and
For some reason Kogasa feels like she's backing away from all of this. She only makes fairly obvious and easy responses, and at first she went "Eh I'll read on Nue tomorrow" but now she goes "you guys took the words about Nue from my mouth ;_;". Feels like a lurker.etc. Basically mentioning Kogasa just because, but not actually saying if she's town or scum.
Yes Futo. She has one opinion about Yuyuko. It's a prod dodge.I was more trying to ask you why you skipped over the obvious prod dodger to snipe at the other, especially when you apparently hadn't cleared either.
Marisa I don't consider it smart for Mamizou to selfvote and save a really scum suspect who is probably still scum (Yuyuko) when she herself had a decent game up until the end of day 2 where she imploded. Why is having a decent player die over two scum suspects a better option. Yuyuko is by no means any more clear she's just alive and now more of a liability than she was day 2. I don't get this.
I dunno. Yuyuko's late D2 seems pretty legit considering her earlier posts. I don't know if Nue preferring Yuyuko over me as a counterwagon means anything. Was she trying to get her cleared? Was she trying to get me killed? Thinking about it makes my head hurt.
I guess Yuyuko is semi clear. I wouldn't stop reading her though.Would like you to explain why suddenly you think Yuyuko is semi-clear (I'm assuming it's because of something Marisa said). This doesn't look like a honest change of opinion. You call Yuyuko likely scum, Marisa says Yuyuko's late D2 seems legit, and then suddenly you're all ears. You've been the stubborn type all game; what changed your mind so easily?
I'd like a more solid case on Kogasa because the current one is grasping at weak interactions.Did you not read the non-interaction cases several people (including me) posted earlier? Seriously.
Marisa if you're going to play this game where you are waiting to justify voting the town PR. I'm onto you.
Anyway. I bought his fakeclaim yesterday because it felt right with how he had been playing all game. I was wrong, whoops.if you thought being a pr fit his play then why weren't you taking that into account when you were voting him all day? one pr claim and then suddenly everything you said about him is null and void and he gets a free pass? feels suspiciously like how affinity dealt with px in path of radiance after px claimed tracker.
Where did I act relived Reimu?
Oh a miracle can occur.
Also, Nue, if you ARE town you've done a horrible job at it anyway. Most of us were about to lynch you D2 anyway for massively flawed logic, and flip-flopping with your votes.
Now you've been CC'ed and proven wrong.
By the way, let's hear what you got last night. You know, just for the sake of asking. Might be your one lifeline.
##Unvote:
##Vote: Mamizou
I dunno. Yuyuko's late D2 seems pretty legit considering her earlier posts. I don't know if Nue preferring Yuyuko over me as a counterwagon means anything. Was she trying to get her cleared? Was she trying to get me killed? Thinking about it makes my head hurt.Easy answer to that would be that she thought it was, in fact, the better counterwagon.
Nue>Yuyuko>Yoshika with Soga being a ? somewhere in there? Really Yoshika and Soga are more "opinion pending".Why do you want Yoshika lynched anyway, Kogasa? From what I can tell you don't have any reasons aside from PoE. Also saying Yoshika wants you lynched just because is a misrep considering she posted a case yesterday (which you didn't respond to despite acknowledging it just now).
After this Nue stuff is out of the way I'll have lynches I need to push, after all.This line is freaking me out. "I'll need to push lynches to look good and survive!" is what I'm getting out of this.
More decision what?! Are you trying to hide behind your speech impediment? Seriously. I want Youmu lynched, I want Yuyuko lynched, I don't want Reimu lynched, I'm going to make a case on Nue tomorrow, what the hell else do you want from me woman?!I can't get this out of my head now. Kogasa #391 does explain that she thinks Nue is scummy, but she said countless times that her read hinged on Youmu's flip. As in, if she thought Youmu was flipping scum, it's only logical that she wouldn't be expecting to lynch Nue the day after. This seriously looks like she knew Youmu was flipping town.
Why do you want Yoshika lynched anyway, Kogasa? From what I can tell you don't have any reasons aside from PoE.I've talked about this before, haven't I? :S
OH Reimu. You mean the part where there were only 5 people there until the very last second of the day who could swing a wagon on Mamizou who I thought was scum because of her atrocious end of day play? And when the wagon actually happened instead of just going on someone I thought was really cop then when I talk about it being a real thing I'm just relived I got my mislynch?
What kind of game is this?
The same question also applies to Miko, for that matter, neither of you really said why this was so convincing, you just said 'Nue claimed Cop when about to be lynched she must be teling the truth!'okay, i can buy this happening one time, but twice in the same game is getting kinda sketchy. are you really not reading the flips?
I've talked about this before, haven't I? :SUh, not really. Last time you gave reasons for thinking Yoshika was scummy was LD1. And even that wasn't very clear, since you said she was townish but you weren't clearing her.
As for the Nue thing, to be honest, if Youmu had flipped scum I still could have gone "Cheering the Youmu wagon without actually getting on it to help the lynch", so, in the end... Nue would have looked bad either way. Partially I was just plain being lazy. *Cough*
Previous to this, she cheerleads the Youmu wagon (Although admittedly Youmu was L-2 so it wasn't really a good time to vote her)???
At this point I'm becoming babby's lil' mislynch so I'd implore everyone to actually read the game.So why don't you tell us why we should lynch someone else, instead of spending all your time on defense?
Also, Nue, if you ARE town you've done a horrible job at it anyway. Most of us were about to lynch you D2 anyway for massively flawed logic, and flip-flopping with your votes.Noep =3
Now you've been CC'ed and proven wrong.
By the way, let's hear what you got last night. You know, just for the sake of asking. Might be your one lifeline.
This should not be in the above quote, this is different reasoning, mouse derp made it derp into the quote above.
Y'all will still lose anyways so w/eI very much doubt that. Is this supposed to be the token WIFOM or what?
Hi.
Lynching Kogasa after we're done with Nue indeed sounds like a good idea. Not really interested in lynching Marisa anymore.
##Vote Nue
:/
This is a scum gambit btw.AHAHAHA YUYUKO CHEERLEADING THE MAMIZOU LYNCH I didn't even notice that (this is right after Nue jumps on Mamizou after her selfvote, before actual townies got on)
Would actually be up for a Mamizou lynch after this. Any takers?this is after people jump off the nue wagon because cop claim, more ahaha
Vote Marisa. We're not lynching Nue today.|3 yeah lynching her tomorrow kplox?
I'll probably have some actual time to make a real post before deadline. Hopefully.
Needs a post from the umbrella girl. Not going to want her dead over Marisa today unless she does something particularly egregious or Marisa somehow does something townie, though.^Last thing Yuyuko actually said about me, from ED2
In fact, Yoshika and Yuyuko both basically did the exact same thing, which is "We're lynching Nue, and then I want to lynch Kogasa just because." :I#556 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg875223.html#msg875223) YoSHika giVe many reAson in This Post and OTher saY CraZY umBRellA compLEtely iGnore!
I still think her ED1 stuff is worth killing her over. She was only cleared by people after for being pushy, which scum can still easily do as she was just repeatedly going "BUT X AND BUT Y". And apart from that, she really hasn't done anything that's particularly townie; and upon reread, I realized she's actually not done much at all, when you blow through opinions without backup and responding to other people without actually providing new content. This is why I'd like to lynch Yoshika.YoSHika noT prOvide New cONtent...?
Yoshika jumped partially because :mikocase: showing a possibility of her wagon actually picking up, and partially from unimpressment from her D2 content, partially as the content mostly consisted on stuff on me that I DO remember defending myself against and not really buying, although if she made another thing later on in the day I guess I probably sort of breezed past it. The wagon wasn't in danger of picking up and I'd already defended myself against her, and I might have figured it wasn't worth the effort. Or maybe I couldn't see good ways to refute it. I don't really remember my thought processes from that far back.So... cRazy UmbRElla lYnch YoSHika beCauSe oNly chAnce AppeAR...?
I'm reading Seiga's posts and I don't really know why she's getting voted atmYoSHika noT THink tHIS reAl ReSPonD!
I stand by my opinion that you and Yuyuko's votes for her weren't good (Yuyuko's was during ED1 and not -that- bad but I thought yours was just plain scummy)
It's D1, it's completely realistic to expect that all my scumreads aren't going to be correct. Just because one person I think is scum is voting someone else I think is scum doesn't mean they're both town. For what it's worth I definitely would have had Youmu die over you though, not counting the part where now I have mod confirmation Youmu is town (for obvious reasons)
As for Nue, I'm gonna get to her in a minute :D
And on your accusation of me trying to "leave my options open" by that last thing, just, :T. If Youmu flipped town (which she did), her voting you is completely null tell to your real alignment. Wheras if Youmu had flipped scum it would have made you look more likely town.
okay now to look at other stuff
Come to think of it, when I reread Yoshika's posts, just about everything from D2 onwards seems to me like unbacked up opinions and responding to other people, instead of stuff that's actually, like, productive. :c The one main exception I see is her case on me.EasY MAke uNsuBstAntiaTed StateMent!
Maybe I should look at Miko's Yoshika case again. After this Nue stuff is out of the way I'll have lynches I need to push, after all.
Now to see if Yoshika or Kogasa are scum.YoSHika noT acTUal See oPioNIon...
Yoshika #116: Initial Reimu vote is here, looks more like voting off of stupidity with amendment later.NoT KNow whaT mEaniNG...
Yoshika #257 is actually pretty bad. She was talking about scum not slipping because Youmu was an easy bus to sheep to, I asked for names, she discredits the entire wagon. Why is there no attempt at differentiating between sheep and busbuddies?YoSHikA ThINK mISrePREsENt!
Yoshika throws dislike at Youmu for the majority of D1 but no vote beacuse "dumb and not scum". Examples for legitimate suspicion being #197 and #232, but again #240 is "bad but not scum". Instead on Reimu for "waiting to produce content". Actually, looked like legit suspicion but vote position was constantly justified with "waiting for content".YoSHikA noT likE WasTE!
D2. Already went over this as well: she agreed with the cases against me but didn't vote because she had nothing new to add. If she was only prodding Reimu, waffling on Seiga and considering other options, her vote should have been on my wagon. Then at #502 the switch happens but it's to Kogasa. Why wasn't she voted to begin with? It honestly reads more like attempts at *not jumping on the wagon*. Similar to the Youmu wagon on D1, really.YoSHikA sAy NoT REad faKe feVer buT YOshiKA reAD lOUd lAdy pOST and Find AgREe so juST SAy yOSHika fINd aGree!
Yoshika #448 indeed looks like she's prodding Reimu but then #457, #459 and #460 look like legit suspicion yet again. It's the reason I found it hard to believe she was actually prodding her.YoSHIka noT knoW whAt SAy...
yuyuko where did you go at the end of yesterday after you called mamizou's self-vote a scum gambit?
Marisa I don't consider it smart for Mamizou to selfvote and save a really scum suspect who is probably still scum (Yuyuko) when she herself had a decent game up until the end of day 2 where she imploded. Why is having a decent player die over two scum suspects a better option. Yuyuko is by no means any more clear she's just alive and now more of a liability than she was day 2. I don't get this.
I dunno. Yuyuko's late D2 seems pretty legit considering her earlier posts. I don't know if Nue preferring Yuyuko over me as a counterwagon means anything. Was she trying to get her cleared? Was she trying to get me killed? Thinking about it makes my head hurt.
I guess Yuyuko is semi clear. I wouldn't stop reading her though.
Would like you to explain why suddenly you think Yuyuko is semi-clear (I'm assuming it's because of something Marisa said). This doesn't look like a honest change of opinion. You call Yuyuko likely scum, Marisa says Yuyuko's late D2 seems legit, and then suddenly you're all ears. You've been the stubborn type all game; what changed your mind so easily?
okay, i can buy this happening one time, but twice in the same game is getting kinda sketchy. are you really not reading the flips?
I see something and use it, forgetting if the person is still alive.I hope you aren't planning on becoming a doctor :c
You know futo, I never considered he actually was a PR since he looked pretty maflord.But why were you not considering that she could be a PR before the claim? Since you say mafia and PRs play similarly.
A PR plays a lot like how a mafia reads.
I don't know what the fuck this line is Toziko given that I don't even fos Kogasa like everyone else does for some reason.I was going over D1 again so I noted things that I hadn't on D2, yes.
" #316 looks like setting up Kogasa even before the town flip happened (actually looks like she knew Youmu would flip town herself)."
Let's nitpick day one when we had all of day 2 to do that.
Soga:I was making a list of things as I read them, so I guess it turned out that way. It was more in order to show a pattern. You did go over the former two not so long later, though, so I'll give you that.
72:Reimu had done things that were silly, but none of the silly things were actually scummy. In the posts directly after I even went into long rants to support my argument wherein I explain WHY it's not scummy, so I'm not sure why you're asking D:
81:See above answer; I explain this in depth in posts directly after. However, this was also just ED1; it was the best I had to go on, but of course, it wasn't anything solid either. The issue with Yuyuko is she never, ever did much better. I guess her d2 post is slightly better but it's still incredibly lackluster and she seriously -never did anything else all game-. It's getting into ultra lurk tier and she shouldn't be allowed into LyLo in any circumstance.
101:...yes, it was weird at the time, but later as I say in my posts she turns into a town read.
All these questions feel like totally inconsequential pokes because the answers can be clearly seen in my posts from D1 :S
As for the Nue thing, to be honest, if Youmu had flipped scum I still could have gone "Cheering the Youmu wagon without actually getting on it to help the lynch", so, in the end... Nue would have looked bad either way. Partially I was just plain being lazy. *Cough*I had assumed that your reasoning for grouping the two in the first place was that they were comparable, so "scumbuddies usually don't act so similar". In other words, I thought you were heading towards clearing Nue after Youmu's future scum flip. Why did you group the two together, then?
Yoshika jumped partially because :mikocase: showing a possibility of her wagon actually picking up, and partially from unimpressment from her D2 content, partially as the content mostly consisted on stuff on me that I DO remember defending myself against and not really buying, although if she made another thing later on in the day I guess I probably sort of breezed past it. The wagon wasn't in danger of picking up and I'd already defended myself against her, and I might have figured it wasn't worth the effort. Or maybe I couldn't see good ways to refute it. I don't really remember my thought processes from that far back.This is a problem because my reason for asking was because you didn't state your thought process back then either. Saying in hindsight that "there was a case and she acted such and such" is easy - we can't know if you thought the same back then or you're just looking for reasons to justify this now. Nue was a wagon but Miko made a case and wagons had yet to solidify. Those were some key opinions.
YoSHika noT acTUal See oPioNIon...Questioning means I'm
NoT KNow whaT mEaniNG...The initial vote looked more like you were fed up with Reimu's play. The other reasons come later.
YoSHikA ThINK mISrePREsENt!You noted that scumbuddies would have no problem jumping on the wagon, so I expected that you suspected some jumps as bus votes. In hindsight, it was more in response to Reimu's "scum gonna slip", so nevermind about this. >_>
TruTh EvERyONe on WAgON giVe exAct SAMe reASon!
SHoW YOshiKA WHo oRIginAl reASOn for VoTE HalfBreed!
YoSHikA alsO WONder wHAt MeaN By SimilAr to HAlfbREed WaGon...Voicing suspicion towards wagons, opting to vote Reimu -> Kogasa instead. It's not like trying to be more productive with your vote is unheard of, but I do think that this is bordering on outright avoiding the main wagons. Especially if it's happening more than once.
Ok. The reason I bought the fakeclaim and didn't want to out why is because I'd rather it not be used meta wise but fuck that, it didn't even work like it usually does so you all can have the reason.
When was the last time scum fakeclaimed cop? PoR when Pesco tried to hailmary it. Scum don't usually claim something weak like a cop since there are 4 types and can easily be fucked with by Godfather, framer etc. Scum in my opinion usually fakeclaim something people percieve as a more important role in a: "Don't you lynch me look I'm the best role in the game." a la watcher doctor tracker )ry.
I mean it looked pretty fucking legit at the end of the day. Yes had he have claimed something like watcher/doctor a super power, hell yeah I'd have been all over that. But he claimed a relatively weak role (I know it's a gamebreaker in some setups) and I kept thinking to myself, "Shit he's probably real he isn't trying to be one of those, 'I'm the most important one here, stop lynching me' roles."
yuyuko, could you answer my question?
yuyuko where did you go at the end of yesterday after you called mamizou's self-vote a scum gambit?I had other stuff to do and unlike Seiga I wasn't believing in a miracle. I was thinking a Mamizou lynch at that point was clearly not happening.
When was the last time scum fakeclaimed cop? PoR when Pesco tried to hailmary it. Scum don't usually claim something weak like a cop since there are 4 types and can easily be fucked with by Godfather, framer etc. Scum in my opinion usually fakeclaim something people percieve as a more important role in a: "Don't you lynch me look I'm the best role in the game." a la watcher doctor tracker )ry.This is actually blatant bullshit. Scum claimed cop in at least two out of the last seven games, one of those games being the last one.
Voicing suspicion towards wagons, opting to vote Reimu -> Kogasa instead. It's not like trying to be more productive with your vote is unheard of, but I do think that this is bordering on outright avoiding the main wagons. Especially if it's happening more than once.YoShika woNDerinG how AvOIdiNG whEN YOshikA TaLK mAin WagON buT vOTe othER...
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Jailguard (Active): Since guarding is all you're really useful for, you may ##Jail another player each night. Actions they make will be redirected toward you, as will any attempts on their life. Players will be informed that they were redirected.
Kogasa: You've been spending an awful lot of words to say "let's lynch her because she posts very little". It's a valid reason, but fluffing it up to make it out to be more than it is.
For that matter, while you certainly don't have to believe me, I don't even see any attempt to read the things I wrote in light of "has very little time"....like what
And no, what Mamizou did was not null or town because it was very unlikely she'd actually get lynched. What exactly is ridiculous about that?Do I need to reference my reasoning on why the claim made her town again
Seiga: Please explain that "scum don't claim cop" thing. Because that looks like something you pulled out of your ass just so you could say something in your defense.
Now we can totes lynch, like Yuyuko and Soga and Seiga.Why do you have no reasoning for anyone but Yuyuko?
I don't know what the fuck this line is Toziko given that I don't even fos Kogasa like everyone else does for some reason.The initial line sure looks like a FoS, since you say she knows Youmu would flip town, and only scum would know that about a VT on D1. And then suddenly Kogasa is obvtown by #372 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13234.msg873984.html#msg873984) and you don't talk about her again ever. What made you change your mind between these two posts? And why do you have no comment on her despite people suspecting her for most/all of D2/D3?
Ok Marisa. I can have doubts as a player being able to read people. Because these shown up even though I wanted to lynch Youmu I'm scum now?Nah. I still have doubts about your reaction to Nue's claim. Not considering she was a PR even though she fit your definition of PR play looks like disconnect to me. Also PoR was 11 games ago, so I'm wondering if you really believe this.
And yes, I was fosing Kogasa day 1. Where the fuck do you keep pulling that I fosed Kogasa because I asked her a more hard question?Eh? I explained why I thought it looked like a FoS.
You're pulling another fallacy in assuming we're scum buddies by the fact that I don't mention her?I'm trying to get you to put down a stance in regards to her, since your latest one is seriously outdated.
Here's a thought. No one wants to be lynched regardless of alignment so why is this a scumtell?Sure. But town also wants to lynch scum, which is why I found it suspicious that you showed no effort toward this goal on D3.
Not only is Yuyuko's play terrible as scum just as it is as town,To be quite honest, I have no idea who Yuyuko is, and that's the only player other then like Sanae I can say that of. I stuck to my ed1 guess from my guess list because I don't have a different one unless it's like Hero999 out of nowhere or something. (Speaking of that, I should mention to HW that I'd add an addendum moving my Yuyuko guess to Seiga as backup but whatever it barely matters. Oh yeah I'm not sure I even mentioned my Edible pick ei-wait I'm getting off track)
I've dabbled in Yoshika/Soga/Nue stuff but I haven't paid as much attention to them because I've had far more interest in lynches other then them.
That's what made my guess ed1 but if you seriously think that's who it is I have no idea how you think they're playing seriously and making posts like that because they are a COMPLETELY competent player.They're just really really lazy. Like, holy damn very lazy. So much that I seriously would lynch them right now if I didn't think other people were already the scum.
:ohdear::ohdear: Reads too similar I guess.
You say this but it's kind of hard to believe that you think they're scum when you don't say why you would support any of these other lynches.Quite honestly, I haven't been sure whether or not I thought they were scum. That's why d2 it looked like I was grouping my non-town reads as lynchable, because I had town reads on like over half the players and only one REAL scum read, so... it's pretty much what I was doing.
In fact why are you clearing Toziko who did pretty much the same thing besides try to tack on a minor point from day 1 to look like she has a slam dunk case when if that's really all she can get on day 3, how good are her cases really if she has to scrounge. She spent the majority of day 3 prod dodging or not here so it was rather hard for me to follow up a case on someone not here.would appreciate if you could actually spell out why you voted tojiko here coherently because otherwise it just looks like deflection since you can make a perfectly fine case on someone even if they aren't there to respond to it. would also appreciate it if you responded to tojiko's case instead of just handwaving it.
And because I didn't want to go all out on the filler day that means I spent it all defending and "SELF PRESERVATION oh dear it's a scum move!!!1!1!"
Ok Marisa. I can have doubts as a player being able to read people. Because these shown up even though I wanted to lynch Youmu I'm scum now?
Just saying, Marisa, you rode the freaking Youmu wagon all day 1. Does this make you scum too? Does this make me scum for getting on it? Don't FoS people for something that can be applied to you even moreso, please. you'll look like when Yuyuko accused someone of lurking.I did not say Seiga was suspicious for being on the Youmu wagon, so don't make it sound like I did.
I did not say Seiga was suspicious for being on the Youmu wagon, so don't make it sound like I did.
Are you sure you want to put her at L-1 so early?
Because you're fucking useless Yuyuko, get over yourself.And that changed from the start of the day (where you voted Soga) to now exactly where and how?
I'm pretty sure that's not paranoia but scum vibes. You'll get it soon Mariss.is also pretty interesting in context.
And that changed from the start of the day (where you voted Soga) to now exactly where and how?
To be fair Yuyuko it's not something that changed. Ever. That's probably been everyone's opinion of you since... LD1?She's more referring to the fact Seiga chose to vote me and then switch to Yuyuko as if something's changed.
Mamizou is a roleblocker. She visited Nue. She's justifying her visit of Nue with a cc that will get the cop lynched. I can see her being a roleblocker plus a reflexive one like Xix or Barney. Not unheard of.lulz
If Kogasa makes another attack on someone that isn't something one can legitimately defend, you should lynch her.is there something intristically wrong with it? :c
Knowing that Nue spent the majority of the day voting someone she didn't think is scum is something I need to reread and look into. I'll have it in a few hours.which seiga never followed up on d1.
(enough to say that we should just lynch the goddamn scum and end the day already)literally everyone wants to lynch seiga and there's been extremely little posting in the past 24ish hours
Actually maybe I was overreacting about my town read on Futo.Quoting this for later reference.
But I don't care because there is no way I would stop going full speed ahead on Yuyuko, ever. :I
yeah, i don't think it matters that much. tojiko can claim next.
I just find it non-nonsensical to suggest a claim order when massclaiming.That's one of the standard procedures for massclaims, see here (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Popcorn#Methods). In general, the idea is to have the people with the most suspicion on them claim first because the chance of a counter-claim is higher the earlier you claim if it's anything other than vanilla. Just to cut this line of thought short, because nope, it doesn't imply anything about alignment.
That's one of the standard procedures for massclaims, see here (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Popcorn#Methods). In general, the idea is to have the people with the most suspicion on them claim first because the chance of a counter-claim is higher the earlier you claim if it's anything other than vanilla. Just to cut this line of thought short, because nope, it doesn't imply anything about alignment.
N1: Kyouko, who was obviously random??????????????
N2: Sanae, who was a Protection role so may have died in place of the real target...
N3: Miko; who was giving detailed, useful posts
N4: Yoshika was next to fall, and she was a PR, so a mafia rolecop may be responsible. Despite her way of talking, she did talk sense sometimes.
N5: Marisa, certainly one of the two remaining people who are most sane
Also, seriously Kogasa, this is me saying it, just leaping on Yuyuko is a bad idea now. This is LYLO.Don't care, she's scum. How can she be town? You said yesterday she looked better because she seemed like she was actually scumhunting. That scumhunting was A.An OMGUS for my vote on her that blatantly ignored half the stuff I said and passed it off as me saying she doesn't post much, and the rest was her repeatedly prodding Seiga over the cop thing (and then the obviously suspicious vote on yuyuko), which REALLY isn't much, especially after Seiga flipped town. That is NOT something that makes her look townie. It is ridiculously easy for scum to have done this and it was on a townie, not a scum.
Forgive me, but why specifically Tojiko? Do you already know my role perhaps?! Because if you do, that VT claim is suddenly BS.This is paranoid as FUCK. What the fuck. Seriously. This makes no sense. How is it weird that she asked Tojiko to claim before you? Suddenly a VT claim is BS too? There's usually lots of vanilla townies, and we've already had a bunch of prs flip anyway. Soga is also VT (or scum) so ????????.
This is paranoid as FUCK. What the fuck. Seriously. This makes no sense. How is it weird that she asked Tojiko to claim before you? Suddenly a VT claim is BS too? There's usually lots of vanilla townies, and we've already had a bunch of prs flip anyway. Soga is also VT (or scum) so ????????.
also futo I know massclaim and stuff but it'd be cool to have gotten opinions out of you when you were actually around since it's not particularly often (or if you still are, then)cant make a huge post right now because i havent reread yet and im pretty annoyed by yesterday's flip because we were about to break the game wide open. dont particularly think reimu is the scum even if she takes huge leaps of logic. it's two of yuyuko/kogasa/soga imo. soga is there not because i have a particular scumread on her but because :poe: kogasaxyuyuko doesnt seem too likely on the outset but ill be revisiting the exchange i talked about yesterday to make sure we dont have a bamboo forest going on here. leaning towards a yuyuko vote regardless just because of overall game performance; the only thing really worrying me is why kogasa would vote so quickly in lylo, which makes me paranoid she's trying to force a 1v1. will be back later to elaborate in any case.
Shadoweh,
You are Kyouko Kasodani, super adorable yamabiko, Myouren Temple trainee and residentMint TownieInnocent ChildPesco's leftovers. Scum are terrible people who don't want town to have cute things so you were already shot down by a curtain of danmaku during the nonexistant Night 0. ;_;
Abilities
Suicidal Innocent Child (Passive): You have already flipped and are slowly running out of spirit meter. You will lose your playable status at the end of Night 1.
Insomniac (Passive): During the night phase, you may team up with your non-existant, non-Dormio hydra partner Mystia Lorelei to take the town by storm with a kickass punk rock concert (http://en.touhouwiki.net/images/e/e0/ThGK_Bunbunmaru1.jpg). tl;dr you can post at night.
Of course, you also have your word and your vote.
You are a Town Suicidal Insomniac Innocent Child. If you were an ordinary Vanilla Townie, your name would be in green instead. You win when all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one (1) townie remains. Best of luck!
Log-In Name:
Password:
Dormio,
You are Yoshika Miyako. One day you were rotting several feet underground like a corpse left alone several years is prone to do, when suddenly all your corpse buddies were risen from the ground as jiangshi! You were all "I MUST FIGHT THE JIANGSHI" but then Seiga said "No Yoshika, you are the jiangshi" and then you were a zombie with no particular abilities other than being braindead.
Abilities
Jailguard (Active): Since guarding is all you're really useful for, you may ##Jail another player each night. Actions they make will be redirected toward you, as will any attempts on their life. Players will be informed that they were redirected.
Of course, you also have your word and your vote.
You are a Town Jailguard. If you were an ordinary Vanilla Townie, your name would be in green instead. You win when all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one (1) townie remains. Best of luck!
Log-In Name:
Password:
drrawr,
You are Mamizou Futatsuiwa. A powerful youkai tanuki, your disguising prowess is second to only that of Jack Black (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfT92Pu2R4Q). Right now you're really just here to pal around with Nue and trick humans 'cause that's how you roll.
Abilities
Peeping Tom (Active): Disguises make it pretty easy to sneak around, so each night, you may ##Watch another player. If this player stays home, you will learn who targeted them. Otherwise, you will only be told that they left their house.
Of course, you also have your word and your vote.
You are a Town Peeping Tom. If you were an ordinary Vanilla Townie, your name would be in green instead. You win when all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one (1) townie remains. Best of luck!
Log-In Name:
Password:
Kilgamayan,
You are Toyosatomimi no Miko. It's a wonder why anybody would ever let you play Mafia if you can just read their desires to learn their wincon anyway. Cheater. At least you're better off than Satori.
Abilities
Networker (Active): Once in the game, you may ##Network two players at night. You will summon them with Royal Clan's Chaotic Dance, and they will be able to talk to eachother outside of the game thread through the state-of-the-art technology of Boss Dialogue During Spellcards? until one dies. You may not self-target with this ability.
Of course, you also have your word and your vote.
You are a Town 1-Shot Networker. If you were an ordinary Vanilla Townie, your name would be in green instead. You win when all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one (1) townie remains. Best of luck!
Log-In Name:
Password:
Polly-kun,
You are Sanae Kochiya. You refuse to let yourself get trapped by common sense in Mafia, and that's why you never post and get inactivity modkilled every time.
Abilities
Safeguard (Active): Each night, you may ##Guard another player. You will call down the powers of fire, water, air and dirt, and any non-killing actions that target them will be roleblocked. Because motherfucking miracles. You may not self-target with this ability.
Of course, you also have your word and your vote.
You are a Town Safeguard. If you were an ordinary Vanilla Townie, your name would be in green instead. You win when all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one (1) townie remains. Best of luck!
Log-In Name:
Password:
Schezo,
Your name is Seiga Kaku and you are an unlikeable bitch. You deserted your hasubando just because you felt like it and now you spend your bountiful free time harassing random humans by being clingy and stalking them through walls. As a huge bitch, your special ability is that you may at any time claim to be Seiga Kaku in-thread with no repercussions or side effects whatsoever.
Of course, you also have your word and your vote.
You are a Vanilla Townie. If you were an important power role such as a Town 3-Shot Bulletproof Cop Vigilante Musicboxman, your name would be in blue instead. You win when all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one (1) townie remains. Best of luck!
Log-In Name:
Password:
Serela,
You are Kogasa Tatara. All you really want to do is startle people by kicking your sandal at them because you're a Kirby boss or some shit idk but that's kind of useless here because everybody familiar with flavor already knew you were going to be in this mafia game. Instead you're going to surprise everybody by reversing your meta and bulldozing through scum without waffling at all! ...right?
Of course, you also have your word and your vote.
You are a Vanilla Townie. If you were an important power role such as a Town 3-Shot Bulletproof Cop Vigilante Musicboxman, your name would be in blue instead. You win when all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one (1) townie remains. Best of luck!
Log-In Name:
Password:
Omba,
You are Yuyuko Saigyouji. Normally you could probably summon a bunch of goasts and lasers and butterflies and shit to simultaneously protect all the town and vig all the scum in one night, but you've been demoted to Stage 1 boss and you're not even trying. Hopefully you can still get your scum lunch.
Of course, you also have your word and your vote.
You are a Vanilla Townie. If you were an important power role such as a Town 3-Shot Bulletproof Cop Vigilante Musicboxman, your name would be in blue instead. You win when all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one (1) townie remains. Best of luck!
Log-In Name:
Password:
I have no name,
You are Youmu Konpaku, half-human, half-ghost and half-baked. To the extent that your flavor this game is, of course, Raw Potato Townie. There are rumors going around Gensokyo that in a past life you were a scum rolecop who broke a little girl's heart then beat up Remilia Scarlet in LYLO, but there's no way you'd do something so cruel, right?
Of course, you also have your word and your vote.
You are a Vanilla Townie. If you were an important power role such as a Town 3-Shot Bulletproof Cop Vigilante Musicboxman, your name would be in blue instead. You win when all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one (1) townie remains. Best of luck!
Log-In Name:
Password:
Majildian,
You are Marisa Kirisame. If anybody understands that both danmaku and mafia are about power, it's you, so naturally you have become the most powerful role in existance, Vanilla Townie.
Of course, you also have your word and your vote.
You are a Vanilla Townie. If you were an important power role such as a Town 3-Shot Bulletproof Cop Vigilante Musicboxman, your name would be in blue instead. You win when all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one (1) townie remains. Best of luck!
Log-In Name:
Password:
Raikaria,
You are Reimu Hakurei. You're pretty resentful towards Anonymafia because last time you in it a dumb bird quickhammered you on accident when you were scum. Unfortunately now there's an incident going on and you don't really have a choice.
Of course, you also have your word and your vote.
You are a Vanilla Townie. If you were an important power role such as a Town 3-Shot Bulletproof Cop Vigilante Musicboxman, your name would be in blue instead. You win when all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one (1) townie remains. Best of luck!
Log-In Name:
Password:
Conqueror,
You are Mononobe no Futo and you are the best character in the game. Seriously, just look at your kickass boat, awesome hat and adorable non-existant personality. Recently you got mad because some visiting youkai forgot to push in their chair and ruined your house's feng shui, so you decided to start an incident with some other chumps (probably by fucking around with the weather somehow like every other Touhou plot) and now the town's out to get you for it! Best take them out before they can find you.
Abilities
Buddies! (Factional): You may speak with your scumbuddies, Soga no Tojiko and Nue Houjuu, at any time in this quicktopic (http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/5YVnVLJdvPXA).
Nightkill (Active, Factional): If none of your teammates are already doing so, you may ##Nightkill another player at night to remove them from the game.
1-Shot Follower (Active): Once in the game during the night phase, you may ##Follow another player. You will learn the name and effect of any action they used that night.
1-Shot Watcher (Active): Once in the game during the night phase, you may ##Watch another player. You will learn of any players that targeted them that night.
1-Shot Sneak (Active): Once in the game during the night phase, you may ##Sneak another player. They will appear to not have left their house.
1-Shot Disabler (Active): Once in the game during the night phase, you may ##Disable another player. This player's active and passive abilities will become unusable for the following day and night phase. Your target will only be informed of this in a case where it would normally be possible for them to use an active or passive ability during this ability's duration.
Of course, you also have your word and your vote.
You are a Mafia Jack of All Trades. If you were an ordinary Vanilla Townie, your name would be in green instead, and if you were an important power role such as a Town 3-Shot Bulletproof Cop Vigilante, your name would be in blue. You win when your faction controls at least half the votes and at least one (1) mafioso remains. Best of luck!
Log-In Name:
Password:
BT,
You are Soga no Tojiko, probably the closest thing this game has to Nameless Midboss Spirit aside from Nameless Midboss Spirit itself. Really, you probably get the least attention out of the entire Ten Desires cast just because your sort-of rival slash sort-of friend was the Stage 5 boss and not you. This has made you a very frustrated vengeful spirit, so you decided to start an incident with some other chumps (probably by fucking around with the weather somehow like every other Touhou plot) and now the town's out to get you for it! Best take them out before they can find you.
Abilities
Buddies! (Factional): You may speak with your scumbuddies, Mononobe no Futo and Nue Houjuu, at any time in this quicktopic (http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/5YVnVLJdvPXA).
Nightkill (Active, Factional): If none of your teammates are already doing so, you may ##Nightkill another player at night to remove them from the game.
Roleblocker (Active): Each night, you may ##Roleblock another player by giving them an electric shock with your zigzaggy thunderbolt arrows. Any actions they use will fail.
Of course, you also have your word and your vote.
You are a Mafia Roleblocker. If you were an ordinary Vanilla Townie, your name would be in green instead, and if you were an important power role such as a Town 3-Shot Bulletproof Cop Vigilante, your name would be in blue. You win when your faction controls at least half the votes and at least one (1) scum remains. Best of luck!
Log-In Name:
Password:
Raitaki,
You are Nue Houjuu, and you're not that relevant to this game's plot but decided to drop in anyway to play pranks with your best bud Mamizou. You've gotten kinda bored lately, so you decided to start an incident with some other chumps (probably by fucking around with the weather somehow like every other Touhou plot) and now the town's out to get you for it! Best take them out before they can find you.
Abilities
Buddies! (Factional): You may speak with your scumbuddies, Mononobe no Futo and Soga no Tojiko, at any time in this quicktopic (http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/5YVnVLJdvPXA).
Nightkill (Active, Factional): If none of your teammates are already doing so, you may ##Nightkill another player at night to remove them from the game.
Of course, you also have your word and your vote.
You are a Mafia Goon. If you were an ordinary Vanilla Townie, your name would be in green instead, and if you were an important power role such as a Town 3-Shot Bulletproof Cop Vigilante, your name would be in blue. You win when your faction controls at least half the votes and at least one (1) mafioso remains. Best of luck!
Log-In Name:
Password:
Mamizou (Peeping Tom): Watch Nue, see her leave
Miko (Networker): Network Yoshika and Mamizou, fails due to Safeguard
Sanae (Safeguard): Safeguard Yoshika
Yoshika (Jailguard): Jailguard Miko
Futo (JoAT): Watch Miko, see Yoshika
Nue (Goon): Nightkill Sanae
Soga (Roleblocker): Target Marisa
Miko (Networker): Network Futo and Tojiko, success (http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/hYf7dN9AWib)
Yoshika (Jailguard): Jailguard Nue
Futo (JoAT): NK Miko
Nue (Goon): Idle
Soga (Roleblocker): Block Yoshika
Yoshika (Jailguard): Jailguard Seiga
Futo (JoAT): Follow Kogasa, see her stay home
Soga (Roleblocker): Nightkill Yoshika
Futo (JoAT): Nightkill Marisa
Soga (Roleblocker): Roleblock Marisa
Well that sure was a thing. Can't help but think that this was the easiest LyLo ever for scum. :\Not an exaggeration. I didn't have to do anything at all.
Also, 8 townies lynched me. You monsters.Yes.
Hearty congratulations go to Yuyuko for single-handedly losing the game for town by playing as far from your win condition as possible. Enjoy your card.
The last game had actual literal flavors like that
Oh, that's a point, seeing as this was my first game on MoTK Mafia...
On a scale of 1 to Potato how bad did I do?
1 being realy, seriously, derpiliciously bad. Potato being whatever number you want to use it on a scale of.
IHNN:It was because you claimed flavor of half-baked potato or something. The last game had actual literal flavors like that, but this game didn't, so it instantly looked like a fakeclaim gone bad to me when you claimed that upon being asked flavor. I wouldn't have actually -voted- you for something insignificant like that, but since I was already on you, well.It wasn't a lie though ;_;
I know it's her official title but he claimed it like a literal flavor D:Flavor was requested and I gave all the flavor I had.
IT'S NOT LIKE IT WAS THE REASON I VOTED HIM OR ANYTHING IT WAS COMPLETELYINSIGNIFICANT ;_;
Also, I re-thunk reads several times in the whole game I have no name :/. Even YUYUKO.I wrote that wall right after my lynch, with a few edits here and there afterwards.
ihnn i get that you're salty because you got mislynched day 1 but blaming the people voting you isn't going to do you any goodIt's not so much D1 but what I perceived as wasted effort. Also no one really said what I did that I hadn't already acknowledged so I still don't have an reason for it other than stubborn town.
Soga no Toziko - Kill it with fire this is where the lynching goesI WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE TOWN FOR NOT IGNORING MY CASE WHEN I DIED AND LYNCHING THE SCUM WHEN I FOUND THEM
For a first game that was pretty great :3
Reimu Miko and Kogasa played well this game.
INSTEAD OF LYNCHING THE 'COP' ROLE BECAUSE IT VOTED HIMSELF
altscum(lol)Don't be a douche.
Don't be a douche.?
quicktopics were linked to in the roles and night actionsI usually skim that seeing who had what (and night actions are usually self-explanatory through graveyard)
No IHNN, in my first game I didn't know what LyLo was so I voted right away and then scum quickhammered within the next hour or two.
...oh wait :C
No IHNN, in my first game I didn't know what LyLo was so I voted right away and then scum quickhammered within the next hour or two.
...oh wait :C
Even I know Shadoweh always dies N1ASGFHJGJGD
Majildian was Marisa? I think I suspected you just because you were alien >.> Everyone else thought you were town, and you even got nightkilled so good job.
Raikaria: I'm pretty sure I made my feelings about your play clear. You have potential! You just have to figure out what went wrong and don't let the scum fool you with :words:
Soga/Futo Love Connection: Futo was obvscum for being alive. >:< WOULD LYNCH FOR BEING BORN. Poor Kilga.
ASGFHJGJGD
It's surprising that Serela hasn't been lynched yet for overuse of the lynch me face.Haha. I was considering tossing that into one of my posts as a joke reason a couple times.
What ifCase and point
there ARE two roleblockers
If Miko has access to the QT I want to troll her by making her think we're both town~Ahahaha Conq you psychic troll scumbag
MajildianWho the fuck?
*~MoTKTown~* changed and stopped giving free passesWhy the fuck is this something to complain about?
and I got mostly ignored, seemingly for 1 vote the previous day I made while half asleep. I apologize my my sort of outburst in the final hour of the day, but when you've been going that long and barely made any progress, it's very frustrating.And you are also ignoring everything else.
I tried my hardest and got flak right in return.Welcome to the club. Shit happens.
I'd say that would have been a damn fine place to use the no lynch because several people were reading me as town and voting me: no lynch>town lynch right?No.
Hopefully the rest of the game plays better for town because that D1 seriously disgusted me (moreso now that I see no scum had to vote me)You're one to talk.
and it's a meta I don't want to play future games with. (said meta is extreme confirmation bias to the point of ignoring anything that might contradict it)You did nothing that would change people's minds, so why should they change their minds?
I'm at least somewhat pleased that people seem to have noticed the unwillingness of many players to re-think their read. I would like to know why it was so unconvincing though.Because you sucked.
Also, 8 townies lynched me. You monsters.QQ more?
Why the fuck is this something to complain about? Comment, not complaint
And you are also ignoring everything else. Blatant lies.
Not everyone was voting you for your random Sanae vote, scumskies. I know that.
Welcome to the club. Shit happens. Duh.
No. Ok, in terms of numbers possibly, but this one could go either way IMO.
You're one to talk. That's a low blow, especially given you weren't understandable half the game. Everything I said was at least understandable.
You did nothing that would change people's minds, so why should they change their minds? I did things to try to change people's minds, and they didn't.
Because you sucked. ASSUMING this is true, no one is telling me WHY, so IF that's the case I can't fix it.
QQ more? My statement was an offhanded comment/partial joke/Portal 2 reference. Problem?
Comment, not complaintAnd I give a shit, why?
Blatant lies.Not my fault if you don't want to read what matters, scumskies.
I know that.So?
Ok, in terms of numbers possibly, but this one could go either way IMO.nope.avi
That's a low blow, especially given you weren't understandable half the game. Everything I said was at least understandable.And filled with craplogic and AtE.
I did things to try to change people's minds, and they didn't.protip: AtE is scummy, scumskies.
ASSUMING this is true, no one is telling me WHY, so IF that's the case I can't fix it.Hey, I gave plenty of reasons on why you sucked.
My statement was an offhanded comment/partial joke/Portal 2 reference. Problem?Yes. QQ moar.
dormio has a point, theres no real reason in complaining about your own lynch. If anything should look at it as a way not to get lynched d1 in the futureI would, if I even knew why it happened. This is my underlying point.
Not my fault if you don't want to read what matters, scumskies.What exactly is the point of that? It's really just a jerk thing to do. Also you're right, it's not your fault if I don't read what matters, it's a shame you're wrong because I did read everything, which obviously includes what matters. Also the second statement isn't true. They're null as emotions are independent of alignment.
protip: AtE is scummy, scumskies.
craplogic.nope.avi
Also, don't know about you, but I find my own posts easy enough to read. It's only got some broken grammar, tell me how that's so difficult to read.You knew what you were trying to convey when you wrote them. I didn't. Several were ambiguous or required being read at least a half a dozen times to make any sense out of.
Hey, I gave plenty of reasons on why you sucked.In readable English please, without resorting to buzzwords.
All I'm getting is AtEs, but that's not everything I did. Feels like cherry picking to validate a decision that was proven wrong to me.AtE and craplogic were my main reasons from what I remember. These are things that I hate quite a lot.
Whoever is Youmu (I think it's IHNN), lay off the fucking AtE.
Jesus Christ.
>Congratulations town, you're about to lynch an active scumhunting claimed vanilla over a player who has done pulled a gambit and voted the easy target with ew reasoning to back it up.
Fucking stop it.
Seriously, that crap makes me want to see you die regardless of anything else.Speaking of which.
What exactly is the point of that? It's really just a jerk thing to do.Problem, scumskies?
Also the second statement isn't true. They're null as emotions are independent of alignment.No. l2p.
You knew what you were trying to convey when you wrote them. I didn't. Several were ambiguous or required being read at least a half a dozen times to make any sense out of.Other people seemed to get the gist of what I was saying just fine. Also, you do realize that I was clarifying whenever people were unclear on my meanings, right? Why not simply ask for expansion?
nope.aviyeah.avi
Also, I'd just like to draw your attention to the following: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=ORLYScumAnd tell me how this is relevant to me, scumskies.
In readable English please, without resorting to buzzwords.I don't really remember what happened on D1 that well anymore because it happened too long ago and my memory is terrible.
Problem?Playing with jerks isn't fun.
I am a massive jerk.
If anything, unless my memory is wrong, this is more like how you were thinking in the game.
proper image selection is hard! ;_;Not when you have as many pictures of Miko-tan as I do! (http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Untitled-39.png)
Oh and here's scum QT :V http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/5YVnVLJdvPXA
Lot less vibrant than last game's :3
My main regret this game comes from realizing that ScumRaccoon would have to be completely batshit
idk i am insane alwaysftfy
Normally you could probably summon a bunch of goasts and lasers and butterflies and shit to simultaneously protect all the town and vig all the scum in one night, but you've been demoted to Stage 1 boss and you're not even trying.
:C
Serelaponyponyponyahahahahaha thanks edible
My main regret this game comes from realizing that ScumRaccoon would have to be completely batshitTo be fair we're talking about the guy who nk'd his scumbuddy.
it suddenly occurs to me that i retroactively stole that flavor from k4u. maybe yuyuko should've gone to Serelaponyponyponypony so that he could be vanilla koishi's spiritual successorI did -almost- pick Yuyuko...! As HW can attest with my waffling before the game even started
Also the scum self-nk was actually a legitimate gambit, even if it really doesn't tend to work out, and originally the plan was to NK rawr iircI have no response to this