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Re: Umineko Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #60 on: July 15, 2009, 07:46:21 PM »
So Pesco, I hear you want to end the RVS stage right away, huh? I've been watching these games in the past, and I don't see how what I've been doing is anything out of the ordinary. If anything, YOU'RE more suspicious for wanting to end the RVS so quickly. However, if you were scum that'd be too obvious, even for you...I'd say I'm withholding my vote, but you already have my vote, so. :V

Good enough for me.

##Unvote
##Vote Kiro


Quote from: Kiro
When you switched to Zakeri, there's a case of Donut trying too hard on Nuclear Fusion by NF, Pesco shenanigans, Donut voting Pesco, then Zakeri voting Pesco. What makes Zakeri's comments stand out to you more than Donut's, Pesco's, or Nuclear Fusion's?

Explain?

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Re: Umineko Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #61 on: July 15, 2009, 07:50:02 PM »
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I'll leave the 'why didn't Donut respond to NF?' question to the man himself. Donut, if you would?

*checks* Oh, that? Didn't seem that serious to me, so I forgot about it. Though Nuclear Fusion seems to be new to the "time limit" thing, so maybe he doesn't know how the RVS works here.

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...Okay, what exactly is this? First you get mad at him for trying to end RVS (which we're going to have to do anyway, and by this point everyone had already made a jokevote), then you say that it's too suspicious to be a scum tell?

I was just trying to stir up some conversation really. I wasn't getting so much angry as pointing out that his vote on me was very weak in a very bad way. So, business as usual with me.

Donut: Carthrat had first voted Roukan. You could call that his RVS vote. His second vote on Zakeri gives a serious enough reason for me to consider it a serious vote and that's where my line of questioning is going.

Pesco explicitly stated his vote was serious business (#41), but you can also argue Carthrat's vote (#37) indirectly was the same thing. Are you going to disagree with me on this point?

...

*hits self on forehead lightly*

I'm not the quickest in these types of games, okay?
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Re: Umineko Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #62 on: July 15, 2009, 08:21:28 PM »
I'm very very lost with the Donut/Pesco thing right now. From what I can see the conversation went like this.

Pesco: "Why are you so keen to get into action?"

Donut: "Why are you so keen to end the RVS?"

Pesco: "Good point. Unvote."

Likewise -
I wasn't getting so much angry as pointing out that his vote on me was very weak in a very bad way.
Yes, last I checked this was a very bad thing. Why so wiling to ignore it?

What exactly is this? Why are you both so willing to drop your cases after one point gets turned down, and why did both of you conveniently switch to Kiro?
I'm REALLY not liking what's going on here, to be honest.

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Re: Umineko Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #63 on: July 15, 2009, 08:26:35 PM »
Never said it was a good point, said it was acceptable.

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Re: Umineko Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #64 on: July 15, 2009, 08:41:25 PM »
Quote from: donut
*checks* Oh, that? Didn't seem that serious to me, so I forgot about it. Though Nuclear Fusion seems to be new to the "time limit" thing, so maybe he doesn't know how the RVS works here.

I'm assuming RVS = DATBF. That being said, what does RVS stand for?

Other things, didn't unvote donut because he's not in ninja lynch range. I'm assuming with 11 people there will be upwards of three mafia. With 6 to lynch, and only 3 votes on donut at the time, there's no reason to unvote because there's no fear of his sudden lynching (unless the mafia want to tell us who they are by trying to bandwagon him).

Second point - Pesco donut interaction does not feel fake to me. They don't have enough information either way it seems to know for sure. One could be mafia crumbling under mild pressure, but I find it highly unlikely that they both could be scum. Further posting by both will be required for me to decide.
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Re: Umineko Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #65 on: July 15, 2009, 08:44:44 PM »
RVS = Random Voting Stage

DATBF = Discussion About Trivial Bullshit Facts?

 :V

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Re: Umineko Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #66 on: July 15, 2009, 08:47:47 PM »
DATBF = Dicking Around to be Funny.

So ya, about the same thing, then.
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Re: Umineko Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #67 on: July 15, 2009, 09:29:10 PM »
Never said it was a good point, said it was acceptable.
It isn't a defense, it's a deflection. You attacked him and he attacked you back, which makes him innocent? I don't get it.

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Re: Umineko Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #68 on: July 15, 2009, 09:32:31 PM »
His jam filled hole

I'm not seeing any scummy intent in his posts. I'm leaving him be for now.

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Re: Umineko Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #69 on: July 15, 2009, 09:58:18 PM »
So you want to bandwagon donut, for a reason that you admit is weak?

What? That doesn't make any sense at all.

... I really want to just shout BANTWAGON right now.
The first bandwagon usually is for a weak reason. My point is that by attracting attention he can get a few votes and just wait until another, more "serious" bandwagon comes and everyone forgets about him.

Nietz: It was still the RVS, to be honest, unless NF thought his case against Donut was genuine. I read his post as false severity, intended to be a joke, so it was just a random vote to me. So he put a little flair into it - how is that drawing attention?
False severity was also how I first read his post, and that by itself would be fine. But just after that he went for pesco, which is a sure way to get attention. Someone taking their joke votes a little too far and becoming the first bandwagon, and later it just dissolving as people look for a more serious suspect is an all too common pattern here. And I figure scum might as well use it to their advantage.

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Re: Umineko Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #70 on: July 15, 2009, 10:41:51 PM »
@Nuclear Fusion

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So you want to bandwagon donut, for a reason that you admit is weak?

What? That doesn't make any sense at all.

... I really want to just shout BANTWAGON right now.

Firstly, why doesn't it make sense?  Weak reasons are better than none this early in the game, and it is alright to pursue something based on these.

Secondly, why didn't you vote Nietz for it?  When you had no serious votes beforehand.

##Unvote
##Vote: Nuclear Fusion

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pesco seems to me to be avoiding the questions thrown at him.

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Re: Umineko Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #71 on: July 15, 2009, 11:13:20 PM »
Day 1 Vote Count- two days and change remain
pesco (2): - Roukanken, Zakeri
donut (2): - Nuclear Fusion, Nietz
Kiro (2): - donut, pesco
Nietz (1): - Serpentarius
Zakeri (1): - Carthrat
Affinity (1): - Dorian
Carthrat (1): - Kiro
Nuclear Fusion (1): - Affinity
Roukanken (0): -
Dorian (0): -

Not voting: Nobody <3

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Re: Umineko Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #72 on: July 15, 2009, 11:25:02 PM »
I'm not seeing any scummy intent in his posts.
Then why the hell did you give him a serious business vote?

False severity was also how I first read his post, and that by itself would be fine. But just after that he went for pesco, which is a sure way to get attention. Someone taking their joke votes a little too far and becoming the first bandwagon, and later it just dissolving as people look for a more serious suspect is an all too common pattern here. And I figure scum might as well use it to their advantage.
Through this logic you may as well accuse Pesco as well for giving Donut an opening to attract attention for the first bandwagon.

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Re: Umineko Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #73 on: July 15, 2009, 11:40:29 PM »
So it's time for me to stop being lazy.
What I think that makes Nuclear Fusion suspected is that he was already on the BANTWAGON he was complaining about and didn't changed it.
Then why the hell did you give him a serious business vote?
To hide that he is complete clueless? Just a guess.
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Re: Umineko Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #74 on: July 16, 2009, 12:05:02 AM »
@Nuclear Fusion

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So you want to bandwagon donut, for a reason that you admit is weak?

What? That doesn't make any sense at all.

... I really want to just shout BANTWAGON right now.

Firstly, why doesn't it make sense?  Weak reasons are better than none this early in the game, and it is alright to pursue something based on these.

Secondly, why didn't you vote Nietz for it?  When you had no serious votes beforehand.

##Unvote
##Vote: Nuclear Fusion

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pesco seems to me to be avoiding the questions thrown at him.

Because unlike some people, I'm not going to throw my votes around.

Also, I can think something is weak without thinking it is scummy. I never said I thought Neitz was scum, I said I thought his reasons for the bandwagon were weak. He explained himself, and I have no problems with his explanation at this point and time.

As for why I don't think it makes sense - bandwagons are usually for the sake of forcing somebody into a claim OR because it's DATBF/RVS. Bandwagons happen almost entirely within the first day, and are almost always pointless/bad for town. Weak reason does not equal bandwagon. Weak reason equals one of two things: 1) a vote early in the game. 2) scum who can't think of anything good.

Neitz's answer has swayed me towards a more townie feel for him.

HEY DORIAN! It's not a bandwagon vote if I'm the first one voting him for reasons unrelated to a bandwagon (as in RVS). I can complain about a bandwagon when I don't approve of the bandwagon, despite my vote being on the bandwagoned person.

Current Suspicions -

Donut - Mediocre feel on him, not getting anything one way or the other, but it sure is funny to watch him.
Pesco - I need to read his Donut responses again. Those could easily influence my feelings about him. Currently on Neutral.
Dorian - His heart seems in the right place, but his posts are lacking. How many posts have you made, anyway? Two? Three? And I don't think there's been much information from them either (as in he is being lazy and said so himself). Leaning scum on him.
Neitz - See earlier in this post. Leaning town.
Zakeri - Why does it feel like you haven't said anything useful? Requires a re-read.
Affinity - Are you normally an aggressive player? Do you feel the need to throw a vote around every post? Please respond to this.
Serpentarius - Has this guy posted even? Another I don't feel has said enough.
Cart and Kiro - I'm lumping you guys together. Enjoy that. Needs more reading of them.
Rouk - man, I almost forget him somehow. I had to check the player list like 4 times before I realized who I was missing :/ Needs more reading also.

So the only person I've got any feelings on is... Dorian, huh.

Do I have to declare an unvote? Can I just switch votes?
##unvote
## vote Dorian Gray
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Re: Umineko Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #75 on: July 16, 2009, 01:02:41 AM »
Rouk - man, I almost forget him somehow. I had to check the player list like 4 times before I realized who I was missing :/ Needs more reading also.
;_;

Dorian, that's...really not a lot of content. What about everyone else?

Serp

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Re: Umineko Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #76 on: July 16, 2009, 01:04:05 AM »
Alright, as far as I'm concerned, RVS ended here with Nuke's response to Donut's joke post.  When people start voting on what they see as legitimate scumtells, RVS is over.  Yes, Donut's post was pretty clearly a joke post, and yes, it was just over an hour into the game, but after that point, people had some actual meaty statements to chew on.

Still, random shenanigans carry on for awhile.  I'm frustrated that of Zakeri, Carthrat, Affinity, and Dorian, nobody so much as commented on Nuke's case on Donut.  Donut himself gets an extra raised eyebrow for not even responding to it 'till he gets called out for not responding.  Nietz and (eventually) Pesco get a pass for coming down on the other side, though I think it's hard to see Donut's initial post as anything but a joke.

Donut's conduct more recently is more than a little weird, especially this:

So Pesco, I hear you want to end the RVS stage right away, huh? I've been watching these games in the past, and I don't see how what I've been doing is anything out of the ordinary. If anything, YOU'RE more suspicious for wanting to end the RVS so quickly. However, if you were scum that'd be too obvious, even for you...I'd say I'm withholding my vote, but you already have my vote, so. :V

What's so suspicious about wanting to end RVS in the first place?  Then Donut here acknowledges that Kiro has a legitimate point against Carthrat, yet continues to vote against Kiro when it was that case against Carthrat that made Donut place his vote against Kiro in the first place.  Pesco, meanwhile, says it's an "acceptable" case, which I'm willing to give him, but he's not exactly pursuing any other cases, which I can't abide.

Nietz's elaboration on Donut's scumminess here seems solid.

As for my thoughts on the others, Roukanken seems to be making all the same observations that I am.  The case on Kiro seems groundless and a little fishy, and I'm also waiting for Carthrat to explain himself.  Looks like most of the issues with Nuke after the fiasco with Donut are just due to unfamiliarity with an outsider's scumhunting techniques.  Zakeri seems really active during the RVS phase and then disappeared when things got serious, which is never a good sign.  Nietz and to a lesser degree Affinity look to be scumhunting.  Dorian should weigh in on more stuff.

##Unvote
##Vote nintendonut888


Donut's feeling the most scummy to me right now.  Pesco's a close second.  Nuke, I don't want to get bogged down into discussion of scumhunting techniques, 'cause I sense I'm already getting an unsavory reputation for that sort of thing, but you shouldn't be afraid to throw your vote around.  It lets everyone know that you mean srs bsns, and it puts pressure on whoever you happen to be voting against.  Scum are more likely to crack under pressure than townies are.
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Re: Umineko Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #77 on: July 16, 2009, 01:30:14 AM »
Kiro: Zakeri unvoted pesco and made a big deal of revoting him in the same post. Seemed more try-hardy than anything else to date, and due to the way he's hitting the same person twice in a row I can't dismiss it entirely as a jokevote, either.

Pesco is also votebait in general and a go-to lynch on day one, so I am doubly suspicious of people voting him for flimsy rationale. 'SelfVig' my foot.

Donut's votes were all jokevotes and I'd just disregarded them. I think that's all Pesco had really done, too. They barely registered, frankly.

On Donut, though, now that he knows Kiro and I weren't just fucking around, he's now obligated to have an opinion on that chain of events. After Kiro's response to him, he didn't really address how that made him feel at all (despite having a vote on Kiro ostensibly to find out more.) Explain yourself.

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Re: Umineko Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #78 on: July 16, 2009, 01:37:57 AM »
Sorry, it's been a while since I've actually played Mafia, so I'm forgetting how this all works (and had a tenuous grasp on it in the first place). My opinion is...you're reaching Carthrat. Zakeri's vote still seemed like a joke vote in my eyes. In the RVS we're all coming up with weird ideas for why to vote someone, and Zakeri's is some fittingly weak and unsubstantiated reason.

In any case, you're right, I shouldn't keep my vote on Kiro anymore.

##Unvote


As for the whole issue of why I'm "suspicious" about Pesco wanting to end the RVS is that isn't that what scum wants? To end the phase to start throwing serious accusations around? But like I said, Pesco seems to like doing this regardless of his alignment, so I didn't really put much pressure on the issue.
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Re: Umineko Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #79 on: July 16, 2009, 01:49:26 AM »

As for the whole issue of why I'm "suspicious" about Pesco wanting to end the RVS is that isn't that what scum wants? To end the phase to start throwing serious accusations around? But like I said, Pesco seems to like doing this regardless of his alignment, so I didn't really put much pressure on the issue.

Seems to me scum want the RVS to go on as long as possible, because it would waste the day without the town getting any information. Which is bad for town. Town needs information as much as possible. So no, I think Pesco wanting to end the RVS doesn't say anything about his scumminess.
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Re: Umineko Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #80 on: July 16, 2009, 01:51:05 AM »
As for the whole issue of why I'm "suspicious" about Pesco wanting to end the RVS is that isn't that what scum wants? To end the phase to start throwing serious accusations around? But like I said, Pesco seems to like doing this regardless of his alignment, so I didn't really put much pressure on the issue.

I'd think it would be the other way around.  Scum would probably want to draw the RVS phase out as long as possible so that the Town has less time to talk about stuff that actually matters, less time to scumhunt.

Crosspost with Nuke. :V
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Re: Umineko Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #81 on: July 16, 2009, 01:57:38 AM »
:hfive:

Awesome, thanks for posting Serp.

EBWOP on my long post: Serp has shifted to leaning town based on his big post. There's too much effort in their for me to think of him as scum.
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Re: Umineko Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #82 on: July 16, 2009, 02:07:09 AM »
:hfive:

Awesome, thanks for posting Serp.

EBWOP on my long post: Serp has shifted to leaning town based on his big post. There's too much effort in their for me to think of him as scum.

Don't be fooled so easily. Why, I remember in the one game I was scum (and didn't get a replacement five minutes in) I did a very respectable wall to basically throw my scum buddy away. A good mafia player can make anything look good no matter their alignment.

And now that you mention it, yes you two are right. orz I have proven my ignorance once again.

Still wanting more clarification from Carthrat on why Zakeri's vote was worth voting for.
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Re: Umineko Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #83 on: July 16, 2009, 02:58:41 AM »
HEY DORIAN! It's not a bandwagon vote if I'm the first one voting him for reasons unrelated to a bandwagon (as in RVS). I can complain about a bandwagon when I don't approve of the bandwagon, despite my vote being on the bandwagoned person.
Indeed I missd the fakt that it was still in RVS, how can that happen?
Sure it is late here but that is not a excuse. Sorry!

To hide that he is complete clueless? Just a guess.
It seems that  I was more about myself than about Pesco.
I hope some sleep wil help.
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Re: Umineko Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #84 on: July 16, 2009, 03:05:02 AM »
Well you've only got like a day left, and wow, you just completed shrugged that offed without really addressing the second half of my accusation of you.

Cool. Get some sleep so that we can lynch you in the morning.
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Re: Umineko Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #85 on: July 16, 2009, 03:13:30 AM »
I already said why it was worth voting for. If you disagree, whatever. If you actually want clarification, then ask what you want clarified instead of giving me vauge 'talk more' signals. I'm not especially invested in this, but I couldn't see much worse.

Except probably Fusion, who gives town credit based on a large post without even addressing the content. For one thing, big posts mean about as much for alignment as what colour someone's name is (especially in MotK mafia, but I digress.) For another, that's really lazy.

Nor am I happy with him handicapping his own bandwagon and storming at Neitz for being willing to vote for a weak reason- it's day one many reasons are weak, they're still the only ones. Pixelbitching over this and not unvoting immediately upon what seems to be strong bandwagon suspicion is extremely troubling.

I'm not entirely comfortable with him prodding Dorian, either. The guy is clearly clueless, and I already think lynching him is always going to be a crapshoot. It's an easy thing to post that doesn't require thinking, or even really reading.

##Unvote, ##Vote: NuclearFusion yeah, this is starting to look pretty bad.

Re: Umineko Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #86 on: July 16, 2009, 03:18:23 AM »
Quote
Zakeri - Why does it feel like you haven't said anything useful? Requires a re-read.

Because I haven't yet.

##Unvote: Pesco

---Donut---
I disagree that post 25 was the end of RVS, but it very well could have been if Donut had responded to it. Considering Donut's post 32 with his claim of forgetting post 25 until it was brought up again, I sort of found it hard to believe he would forget it entirely. I think he purposefully ignored it to avoid falling into the wrong side of an argument with Nuclear who already called out Donut's would-be response. I don't think ignoring it in itself is scummy, but I do think trying to pass it off as completely forgetting when pressed about it might be.
Post 56 - The Pressure must really be getting to you. In the first paragraph, donut manages to say something that isn't scummy would be worth voting for if it wasn't so scummy it was town. There are better reasons to vote Pesco anyway. Except you haven't picked up on any of them.
Also jokes about self-voting to L-2. I don't want to know what spawned this idea.
Finally Votes Kiro thinking Carth's vote on me was a joke. Says his reasoning is ambiguous, Kiro responds that that's the reason he asked Carth. Donut Just now unvoted for this, even though I know he responded to it between then.
61 - There it is. He basically admits he's bumbling around right now. I'd like to see him go through all of today with a clearer picture in mind. Still has vote on Kiro in this post.

---Pesco---
Pesco must be an Ifrit or something, because he just lobes inviting flames. 33 looks like a personal attack on donut. Not helped at all by 41, where Pesco actually votes Donut for being jumpy without any response between them. Looking closely, 10 hours have passed between then, so it's likely the difference between jumping around like a rabbit and having actually thought things out.

Pesco post 45 - Telling Roukanken he's not helping when he is instead of answering a question aimed at him. Policy Vote Material right here.
post 50 - Defusing the Situation with a page that directly leads into the most addicting Tv Tropes page ever.
Post 60 looks like Pesco is admitting he's losing his marbles, or at the very least should reread through everything more carefully. I've already pointed out what I saw on Donut trying to hard. Also, I don't get why Pesco thinks Donut's non-sense makes passable sense to him.
63 - It's like a Drunk man throwing up and then claiming he's Sober now. Still trying to cover up the non-sense in post 60.

---Nuclear Fusion---
Post 52- Neitz's case on donut. I may just have a loose sense of humor (I mean, I think Puns are hilarious!) but I don't see Donut's first joke post as trying too hard. I understand 2 is a valid point.
Nuke's Response seems Vulgar to me. Weak reasoning is okay for an early day one vote. I also think it's cute that you've defended your right to be on the bandwagon while being angry at it by saying you left your vote there from the joke voting phase.
Nuke 64 - Defends his vote on Donut against his being a hypocrate. I understand you don't have to worry about ninja voting at L-3 but it would be nice if you went over the reasons you were voting for Donut in that post instead of using this as an excuse for not moving your vote.
64 part 2 - speaking of moving votes, I like how at the bottom of the same post, you say you have a neutral read on Pesco Vs. Donut and say you'll need more information to decide. Does this mean that if you had left your vote on Pesco, you'd be just as happy with that as your vote on Donut?
74- Still justifies instead of explains his vote. Also explains his stance on Neitz, which is acceptable to me. Also, I'm glad Nuke knows to change his vote after analyzing everyone, but then again, what would put Dorian's lack of posting above anyone else's, like Serpentarius or Myself?
78 - unvotes now that he's called on it. I'd like to see where his vote goes now.
81 - What exactly did Serp do that he would never do as a Mafioso? I admit his post is easily gloss-over-able, but that's not really a reason to ignore him as a threat to the town. Then again, my post must be hell to read.

Dorian - I can understand if you have trouble finding the time to put effort into this, but you should do more than give a passing comment on one or two people. Also, Voting for Nuke would have been acceptable from that post. Your vote is on Affinity right now, which you left from your joke vote.

Carthrat - That's just my sense of humor. I was actually planning on doing it again this post, but I'll have to see which of the above I analyzed I think is most scummy. Also:
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Zakeri unvoted pesco and made a big deal of revoting him in the same post. Seemed more try-hardy than anything else to date,
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Donut's votes were all jokevotes and I'd just disregarded them. I think that's all Pesco had really done, too. They barely registered, frankly.
So then Joke voting multiple times is only okay if it's different people every time?

I haven't gotten any negative vibes from anyone I haven't mentioned so far Also, Colors were selected at Random. I'm going to try and follow this all up with a Tl;dr post that's easier to understand, because this really is what my notes usually look like when I finish them.

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Re: Umineko Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #87 on: July 16, 2009, 03:42:59 AM »

Except probably Fusion, who gives town credit based on a large post without even addressing the content. For one thing, big posts mean about as much for alignment as what colour someone's name is (especially in MotK mafia, but I digress.) For another, that's really lazy.

Nor am I happy with him handicapping his own bandwagon and storming at Neitz for being willing to vote for a weak reason- it's day one many reasons are weak, they're still the only ones. Pixelbitching over this and not unvoting immediately upon what seems to be strong bandwagon suspicion is extremely troubling.

I'm not entirely comfortable with him prodding Dorian, either. The guy is clearly clueless, and I already think lynching him is always going to be a crapshoot. It's an easy thing to post that doesn't require thinking, or even really reading.

##Unvote, ##Vote: NuclearFusion yeah, this is starting to look pretty bad.

Oh hey, cool. You are Dorian's scum buddy. Sweet, that's two of three on day one.

Seriously, what the heck is this post? I don't even know what you are trying to accuse me of here.

You are defending somebody on the grounds of being "clearly clueless"? How could you possibly know that? Cause he says he's tired? He could be as tired as he wants, that's not really an excuse for his original post where he messes up the order of RVS. BECAUSE THAT POST HAPPENED SEVERAL HOURS EARLIER! Unless you are willing to say he was tired then. In which case, hey guys I'm tired so excuse everything I've said until now hurf durf.

As for Serp's long post - there was a double move going on there, but thanks to you and donut, it's been shattered. Congrats, guys. Yes, I'm fully aware of long posts not necessarily being full of content (for what it's worth, I feel serp's post was full of content). The fact is if you slap scum on the back and make them feel safe, you lure them into a false sense of security. But thanks to you guys, that's just not going to work with Serp.

Handicapping my own bandwagon? What bandwagon? I NEVER STARTED THAT BANDWAGON! READ THE THREAD! Other people tried to bandwagon Donut, and I specifically said this was a bad idea despite my vote being on him. That does not mean I participated in this bandwagon. You and Dorian have both made this assumption. You are the only two people who have made this assumption. I think he isn't trying very hard (because he is scum) and now I think you are flailing to get town lynched day one (because you are scum).

Also, see previous posts about why I didn't unvote. Hint: it didn't matter if I moved my vote at the time, so I didn't.

Addressing Zakeri's points on me - I don't move my vote because it freaking doesn't matter. yes, if my vote had been on Pesco at the time I would have kept it. I joke voted donut at the beginning because his was the only name among you people I recognized (because I see his comments on youtube). I left my vote there because it was irrelevant. I don't need to justify a vote which is irrelevant. There is no justification for it one way or the other. It simply is something which is there from the start. I moved it once I found a better place for it.

Also... I moved my vote. Stop not reading the thread completely. My vote is Dorian. IT IS IN THE SAME POST WHEN I UNVOTE AND ASK IF I NEED TO UNVOTE BEFORE I MOVE MY VOTE.

And here we go addressing Serp again - Serp put effort into his posts... much like I'm seeing you doing. I tend to let people who put effort go by because even in the event that they are mafia, they are still supplying the town with information. And the town needs information. I'd rather lynch lurking scum then the ones who are helping the town, even if they are trying to misdirect the town.

Phew, that was long.
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Re: Umineko Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #88 on: July 16, 2009, 03:50:33 AM »
Donut
Scummy:
-Makes an Excuse for why he ignored Nuclear Fusion.
-Targeting Pesco for trying to vote seriously
-Voting Kiro for asking Carthrat to Clearify
-Once he understands Kiro's reasoning, fails to Unvote Kiro.
Null:
-Generally tries to make light of his actions by admitting them
Townish:
-Needed why getting out of RVS is good for the town explained to him
-Asked for and then understood Kiro's reasoning

General Feeling - Donut is trying to walk through a dark room he use to be familiar with and keeps stubbing his toe. Not entirely certain if he's lynch worthy yet.

Pesco
Scummy:
-Insults Donut
-Insults Roukanken
-Deflects questions aimed towards him
-unvotes Donut when Donut gives poor reasoning to attack him
-Covers above point up with IIoA, saying he doesn't feel Donut is scum

General Feeling - ##Vote: Pesco
Spoiler:
Yes, I really do think randomly unvoting and revoting someone because the reason changes is hilarious. At least it's a serious vote this time.

Nuclear Fusion
Scummy:
-Trying to attack a wagon that his vote is on
-Defends his vote as not being a part of the wagon
-Continues defending his vote instead of explaining why he voted and why it's different from the bandwagon
-Admits he's neutral on Pesco Vs. Donut and still doesn't change his vote
-Makes a General thoughts on everyone list without doing very much analysis on anyone. His reasons for voting Dorian seem forced when he writes them, and it seems like an afterthought when he places the vote.
-Too quick to praise Serpentarius.

General Thoughts - wow, what a crime list. I also didn't catch any town tells.

My basic thoughts right now is that Donut seems like an easy target, while Pesco is acting like Scum-Pesco and Nuclear is acting like a mafioso that accidentally got in the way of and is trying to get out of the way of people's suspicions. I would vote for either Pesco or Nuke.

Psuedo-Edit: Oh, hey there, Nuke~ I've only seen the first sentence of your post, and I've already had to fight against my natural reaction of posting an image of a guy reacting to something. I'll read it in a bit.

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Re: Umineko Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #89 on: July 16, 2009, 03:54:06 AM »
Through this logic you may as well accuse Pesco as well for giving Donut an opening to attract attention for the first bandwagon.
Pesco self-vigging hardly got my attention. Donut's following "You are stealing my gig! Die!" post definitely did. Especially because he did it in lieu of actually answering NF.

As for why I don't think it makes sense - bandwagons are usually for the sake of forcing somebody into a claim OR because it's DATBF/RVS. Bandwagons happen almost entirely within the first day, and are almost always pointless/bad for town. Weak reason does not equal bandwagon. Weak reason equals one of two things: 1) a vote early in the game. 2) scum who can't think of anything good.
I see were you are coming but, in a general manner, I don't think bandwagons are bad or pointless. Especially on Day 1 - when we have little to work on unless scum makes a mistake - because post-wagon analysis usually gives more interesting results for the following days.

Overall, I don't like how donut's been reacting to the pressure. First ignoring it, then trying to deflect with some very confusing reasoning about RVS, then backtracking...

pesco's reaction to donuts kinda weirds me out. He attacks you with some bad reasoning and your reaction is... unvote him and vote Kiro?

Ninja: NF, Zakeri, but I'm too tired to think/address it right now.