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~Beyond the Border~ => Akyu's Arcade => Topic started by: commandercool on February 28, 2019, 10:12:29 PM

Title: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: commandercool on February 28, 2019, 10:12:29 PM
So generation eight has been revealed. It seems to be UK-themed, which seems like a reasonable but kind of uninspired choice. I was disappointed to see that the coolest parts of Let's Go (no random encounters, and follow Pokemon) both seem to have been scrapped which is understandable but unfortunate.

So which of the starters do you like the look of? I'm not thrilled by any of them from what we've seen so far and I haaaate the look of Scorbunny, although to be fair a lot of that has to do with the Talonflame-level bad name. The other two look fine, and any of them could end up being really cool pending evolution. They definitely don't look like they have the charm of the seventh generation starters, but anything could happen. If I had to pick one right now based on what we've seen so far it would probably be Sobble.
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: BT on February 28, 2019, 10:32:25 PM
Ha ha, ha... that's one more Scorbunny for ME.

I'm dying for more information. Sun and Moon have set a fantastic example for change in this franchise and I hope Gen 8 modifies the standard Poke-game formula even more.
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: Rei Scarlette on February 28, 2019, 11:09:12 PM
Bring back third versions

Give me Pokemon Gun

Real talk though I am definitely looking forward to seeing more news about these games, not totally feeling it on any of the starters yet but they could grow on me over time
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: Raikaria on February 28, 2019, 11:21:04 PM
Calling it now; we got Fire/Fighting again.

Also Football Rabbit. Scorbunny. Score. And it's described as 'A Rabbit Pok?mon that is always running about, bursting with energy.' So Sportsbunny.
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: Mеа on March 01, 2019, 12:56:35 AM
Thought Scorbunny looked really dumb at first, but it's growing on me. Still think Sobble looks the best though. I've never liked monkeys ever, but the design itself isn't a turnoff. I feel like grass starters have always had pretty consistently good designs.

I would be down for this being a pseudo-expansion of the Kalos story, if this is the region they were at war with, wouldn't that be interesting.
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: commandercool on March 01, 2019, 04:09:48 AM
Calling it now; we got Fire/Fighting again.

Also Football Rabbit. Scorbunny. Score. And it's described as 'A Rabbit Pok?mon that is always running about, bursting with energy.' So Sportsbunny.

My best guess is that Scorbunny's final evolution will be Fire/Rock, and that it'll kick around a chunk of rock as a ball.
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: BT on March 01, 2019, 12:11:18 PM
Calling it now; we got Fire/Fighting again.

Also Football Rabbit. Scorbunny. Score. And it's described as 'A Rabbit Pok?mon that is always running about, bursting with energy.' So Sportsbunny.
I thought it was an amalgamation of "scorch" and "bunny". :thinking:
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: Raikaria on March 01, 2019, 02:36:37 PM
I thought it was an amalgamation of "scorch" and "bunny". :thinking:

It's probobly both, but it's description on the Pokemon site and it's design [Sports tape around where he's nose is] and running around in the trailer clearly leans towards it being sporty.

Not to mention the whole football stadium thing.

My best guess is that Scorbunny's final evolution will be Fire/Rock, and that it'll kick around a chunk of rock as a ball.

Could be, although you don't usually associate Rock-types with speed.

That said it could become some sort of Fire-Rock Rugby bunny too.

Also considering they revealed the Fire starter first instead of the Grass starter [Who's first in the dex] you can wager Scorbunny's gonna be the starter with the bias from Gamefreak this gen; like Greninja.

Scobble is shy and blends into water to hide so I'd wager Ghost for a secondary typing there [Oh hey that also beats Fighting] although it having the same gimmick as Vaporeon is kinda... ugh.

Grooky could be anything really. It's a Chimp with a Stick that beats it on rocks to make noise? Not a lot of evidence for any secondary type there tbh.
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: Reddyne on March 01, 2019, 03:59:23 PM
I'm all in for Grookey, but that may only be the case because I used a fire and water starter each of the last two gens. Also, Scorbunny invited you to the party but forgot you even showed up, Sobble is your clueless younger sibling who has no desire to be at said party, and Grookey is your wingman for the entire night who also brought a ton of good snacks. At least this is my headcannon.

The only devil's advocate argument I can come up with in support of random battles is that non-random ones have a passive, static approach to them. You reach a new area and squat, waiting for a list of mons to show up. It's always only a matter of time and maybe weaving around other pokeys before you reach a target. There's a lack of tension and surprise, plus you don't have any input on when/where that rare pokey shows up. Then again, that goes with random battles too. I'm OK with random battles because it's what I've come to expect after 20+ years with these games, but there should be some kind of modifiers so that it's easier to hunt down the rarer ones, especially once you've caught/fought enough common pokeys. Or just give the player some modicum of control over which pokemon show up. Bait, sneaking, grass density, something.
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: Jq1790 on March 01, 2019, 04:12:43 PM
Grookey looks like a Furby.

It's kind of creepy, but also slightly cute somehow.

I'm not super thrilled with any of the designs myself, but I guess Scorbunny's ok, as long as it doesn't go back to the Fire/Fighting standard that used to plague us.
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: Raikaria on March 01, 2019, 04:43:29 PM
The only devil's advocate argument I can come up with in support of random battles is that non-random ones have a passive, static approach to them. You reach a new area and squat, waiting for a list of mons to show up. It's always only a matter of time and maybe weaving around other pokeys before you reach a target. There's a lack of tension and surprise, plus you don't have any input on when/where that rare pokey shows up. Then again, that goes with random battles too. I'm OK with random battles because it's what I've come to expect after 20+ years with these games, but there should be some kind of modifiers so that it's easier to hunt down the rarer ones, especially once you've caught/fought enough common pokeys. Or just give the player some modicum of control over which pokemon show up. Bait, sneaking, grass density, something.

Meanwhile I'm happy about random encounters because:

1: It's a hallmark of the genre

2: I do Nuzlocke challenges and those kiiinda don't work when you can pick and choose what you run into.

3: You can turn them off. It's called Repels.
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: Jq1790 on March 01, 2019, 10:11:30 PM
Counterpoint to the third there: You still dont get the VISIBLE encounters though.

I think it would be cool to have it be a toggleable option so people who like one can do it that way, while people who don't can do it the other and then everyone's happy.

I might be making it sound simpler than it is to do that though and there are probably problems I'm not thinking of with such a thing but hey.  It's all moot anyway since it's gonna be what it's gonna be regardless, I suppose.
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: Raikaria on March 01, 2019, 10:53:25 PM
I think it would be cool to have it be a toggleable option so people who like one can do it that way, while people who don't can do it the other and then everyone's happy.

I would not object to the 'Bravely Default' style either.

Especially if you can turn encounter rate UP for when you want to grind ect.

Specifically I'm not against more control and options. What I don't like is changing things that have been staples for 20 years and forceing that upon everyone. Zubats pestering you in caves are simply iconic to Pokemon, ya'know? Everyone should experience that, even new players.

Options is how you make everyone happy.
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: commandercool on March 02, 2019, 04:57:53 AM
Overworld encounters in Let's Go were, as much as this sounds like an exaggeration, fucking magical. Not being constantly bothered by Zubats was nice, but the real reason it was so good was just how alive it made the world feel. I've been imagining what a real Mt Moon would look like since I played Pokemon Blue, and Let's Go sort of gave me a plausible version of that. It's so much more fun to walk through a cave that feels like an ecosystem and not an RPG dungeon. And man, the fact that the overworld models showed up shiny if the Pokemon is shiny is so cool.  The effect wasn't perfect of course, it was a little crowded and arguably made for passive gameplay sometimes, but I still loved it and am bummed to go back to the old way.

If the reasoning behind getting rid of it is that it just isn't practical to have walkaround models animated for so many Pokemon then fine, but if it's just for nostaaaaalgiaaaa and to cater to the piss kids who review bombed Let's Go then that's pretty disappointing.

Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: Raikaria on March 02, 2019, 10:36:54 AM
but if it's just for nostaaaaalgiaaaa

On the topic of that...

Can we please not do what Gen 6/7 did and literally shove Kanto down our throats and have blatant Kanto favoritism [More Megas from Kanto than anywhere else, Alolan Formes being Kanto only...]? We just had our second Gen 1 remakes.

Frankly; Genwunners are a small part of the fanbase that spans 20 years. Appeasing just the idiots who can't see past 151 and bash everything else while ignoring the exact same problems with Gen 1 [EG: Bashing Gen 5 for 'inanimates r stoopid' or Trubbish when Gen 1 has Magnemite; Voltorb Muk; ect, and lazy designs like 'It's just Three Digletts'], which is a small amount of the people from the first 2 years of the franchise, is a little silly.

I mean, not saying 'Have no Kanto stuff'. Just give it fair representation and don't shaft the other 6 Generations [Or even Gen 8!] just to give it more limelight.
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: commandercool on March 02, 2019, 01:58:09 PM
I mostly agree with you, but if there's going to be "legacy support" for older generations, which there doesn't have to be but it might be fun given how well Gen 7 turned out, I think Gamefreak painted themselves into a bit of a corner. The next logical step would be to do a bunch of support of Gen 2, but Gen 2 is really bland and inflexible compared to most of the others. I know it has its supporters, but it's not popular overall and just doesn't provide them a ton of interesting tools to work with.

So I think there's a few ways they could go with that if they wanted to do "Galarian forms" or something. They could double down on interesting high-quality designs and try to make Gen 2 look good retroactively with brute force, or they could skip it and focus on Kalos Pokemon given the geographic connection. Or they could spread the support around and not necessarily focus on one region. And of course there's always the option to just not do any throwbacks, but I don't know, I think regional forms is a fun idea with a ton of potential. Maybe just doing a few and not making it a big focus would be best, but I'd like to see some.

This is kind of an issue Pokemon Go ran into as well in my opinion. Adding new Pokemon chronologically means they have to slog through the relatively weak second, third, and fourth waves to get to the point where I would say Pokemon starts to get consistently good again in Unova and onward. That's definitely a matter of taste and I'm sure there are plenty of people who would disagree with that assessment which is fair enough, but that's the way I see it.
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: Raikaria on March 02, 2019, 03:35:16 PM
Every gen has it's stinkers and it's winners.

And Gen 4 remakes would be up next chronologically. Although dear god can we have a Platinum remake instead of D/P? Or at least have the Platinum regional dex?

I'm not counting on regional formes. Megas were dropped after Gen 6. Regionals didn't even continue into US/UM. [Likewise don't expect Z-Moves as anything but a postgame thing; although the core of Z-moves isn't something that would need an update anyway]
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: Mеа on March 02, 2019, 07:14:12 PM
The next logical step would be to do a bunch of support of Gen 2, but Gen 2 is really bland and inflexible compared to most of the others. I know it has its supporters, but it's not popular overall and just doesn't provide them a ton of interesting tools to work with.
Really? I feel like I see Gen 2 for the most often lauded as best gen. Wish I could rate it on my own terms, it's the only generation that I haven't beat. Couldn't beat E4 when I was a kid, so I didn't even know the Kanto side was a thing and I bought Heart Gold used way after release and haven't touched it.

As much as I think gen 5 was one of the best in the series, even I thought it had some of the most weird designs across the entirety of its lineup (then again it does have some of my favorites...). They must have used some different design philosophy for it.
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: Raikaria on March 02, 2019, 09:59:48 PM
Really? I feel like I see Gen 2 for the most often lauded as best gen. Wish I could rate it on my own terms, it's the only generation that I haven't beat. Couldn't beat E4 when I was a kid, so I didn't even know the Kanto side was a thing and I bought Heart Gold used way after release and haven't touched it.

As much as I think gen 5 was one of the best in the series, even I thought it had some of the most weird designs across the entirety of its lineup (then again it does have some of my favorites...). They must have used some different design philosophy for it.

Thing is... Gen 2 was... well... shafted.

It has one of the smaller rosters at 100 pokemon, and quite of lot of them are connected to Kanto lines in the first place and are semi-pointless Baby pokemon. Cool for lore; pointless gameplay addittions. We know a lot of pokemon were outright canceled despite being far enough to make it to a public demo.

Jhoto as a region is... well a backwater. It dosen't have it's own Team, it's own Leauge, it's landscape is wholly uninteresting and there's not really much *there*. Not to mention the level curve.

Most of this is due to the GB limitations and Kanto being included. Which is also probobly why such a feature won't happen again. Jhoto as a region really suffered for it however. I'd easily call Jhoto my least favorite region, although I'd also say the Jhoto dex isn't bad.
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: commandercool on March 03, 2019, 02:14:43 AM
Really? I feel like I see Gen 2 for the most often lauded as best gen. Wish I could rate it on my own terms, it's the only generation that I haven't beat. Couldn't beat E4 when I was a kid, so I didn't even know the Kanto side was a thing and I bought Heart Gold used way after release and haven't touched it.

I've seen a lot of people call the Gen 2 games the best games, which is arguably true if we're talking about the wonderful remakes. But calling the set of Pokemon that goes with them the best is uncommon, or at least I think it is.

My understanding of Gen 2 is that it was made in a hurry out of Gen 1 castoffs in large part, which left it feeling pretty underwhelming in my opinion. It's small, there's a ton of chaff (the babies are pretty weak, especially compared to the much more interesting unused baby designs that got leaked, give me Meowsy!). I'm honestly not sure what my favorite Gen 2 Pokemon even is, but whatever it is I don't think it would even be in my top 50 favorites. Maybe not even my top 100.

As much as I think gen 5 was one of the best in the series, even I thought it had some of the most weird designs across the entirety of its lineup (then again it does have some of my favorites...). They must have used some different design philosophy for it.

I like weird. I love the Pokemon based on inanimate objects. They're weird but very bold and that's great. Give me more Klinks, Trubbishes, Vanilishes, and Yamasks! But yeah, the design philosophy for Gen 5 definitely feels a little different. I wonder if maybe they tried to go for "American designs" somehow. If there's a design document out there somewhere then I'd like to see it.
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: Jq1790 on March 03, 2019, 03:48:28 AM
I wonder if maybe they tried to go for "American designs" somehow.
Considering Braviary exists, I wouldn't doubt it, honestly.  Pretty much screams "USA the Pokemon" to me whenever I think of it.
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: 862ian on March 14, 2019, 01:23:37 PM
Every gen has it's stinkers and it's winners.

And Gen 4 remakes would be up next chronologically. Although dear god can we have a Platinum remake instead of D/P? Or at least have the Platinum regional dex?

I'm not counting on regional formes. Megas were dropped after Gen 6. Regionals didn't even continue into US/UM. [Likewise don't expect Z-Moves as anything but a postgame thing; although the core of Z-moves isn't something that would need an update anyway]

If there is remakes they will go with the D/P games (since the other remakes have taken the third game and tossed it aside while taking the best parts of it.) Also can i say that i'm not a giant fan of the fact the 3ds isn't likely to get Pokemon Sword/Shield and plus their isn't anything i want on the switch to make buying it for simply one or two games worth the initial investment i mean i just don't like how the switch controllers feel (likely a result of them being really tiny).

Plus at least for me it's really hard to even be interested in a system that doesn't have much in the way of games i want. It's not like i need sword and shield in my life. Legend of Zelda is kinda meh in my opinion, Pokemon has lost it's interest for me mostly with SM/USUM, Plus i just can get most of the games i'm interested in via the playstation or a computer so *shrugs*
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: Raikaria on March 15, 2019, 07:36:08 PM
If there is remakes they will go with the D/P games (since the other remakes have taken the third game and tossed it aside while taking the best parts of it.) Also can i say that i'm not a giant fan of the fact the 3ds isn't likely to get Pokemon Sword/Shield and plus their isn't anything i want on the switch to make buying it for simply one or two games worth the initial investment i mean i just don't like how the switch controllers feel (likely a result of them being really tiny).

Plus at least for me it's really hard to even be interested in a system that doesn't have much in the way of games i want. It's not like i need sword and shield in my life. Legend of Zelda is kinda meh in my opinion, Pokemon has lost it's interest for me mostly with SM/USUM, Plus i just can get most of the games i'm interested in via the playstation or a computer so *shrugs*

None of the first three gens had their first release be such a flawed mess as D/P were compared to Platinum however.

Also Let's Go is a Yellow remake, and technically Gen 1 re-remakes were due.

Considering Braviary exists, I wouldn't doubt it, honestly.  Pretty much screams "USA the Pokemon" to me whenever I think of it.

Who wants to take bets on a Bulldog pokemon?
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: Jq1790 on March 16, 2019, 11:49:33 AM
None of the first three gens had their first release be such a flawed mess as D/P were compared to Platinum however.

Also Let's Go is a Yellow remake, and technically Gen 1 re-remakes were due.

Who wants to take bets on a Bulldog pokemon?
Snubbull and Granbull say hi.
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: Raikaria on March 18, 2019, 11:09:42 AM
Snubbull and Granbull say hi.

Last I checked they were the 'Fairy Pokemon'.

I mean actually classified as 'Bulldog pokemon'.

[Also Granbull/Snubbull are probobly Cu Siths, because that is literally Celtic for Dog Fairy, who, according to legend, are the size of a bull; and look like a dog; hence their appearance... so actually with their origin being British I think it's a fair bet to say Snubbull will be in the regional dex?]

Besides; it's not like we have pokemon based on the same animal already.

Also; what do you guys think the Regional Bird and Regional mammal will be based of? They're inevitable additions after all. I'd say Pidgeon or Swan, but Unova took those birds. Maybe a Goose? As for mammal, maybe something like a Mouse?
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: Jq1790 on March 18, 2019, 01:55:16 PM
Ahh, I misinterpreted.  I also did not know of that extra background so that makes a bit more sense.

Hm...Well, if we find something common to Scotland (which is what I hear a lot of people saying the region is based on), maybe there'll be a clue in there?
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: hyorinryu on March 26, 2019, 02:18:06 AM
None of the first three gens had their first release be such a flawed mess as D/P were compared to Platinum however.

Also Let's Go is a Yellow remake, and technically Gen 1 re-remakes were due.

Who wants to take bets on a Bulldog pokemon?

I wouldn't count the Let's Go series a remake, at least not in the way the other remakes were. The Let's Go series wasn't really meant for the veterans of the franchise, it was meant for the people who keep bringing Blisseys and Aggrons to every raid. I haven't played the remakes of other games, but I was under the impression that they were there to give an older region all the mechanics/pokemon up to the newest gen. Let's go being Kanto-based was a given since it has the most recognition. I'd be down for a sequel Let's go though. Especially if it had more content, because that was my biggest issue with LG (that, and how they handled hazards.)

I'm not sure what to go on for the Galad region.
Last I checked they were the 'Fairy Pokemon'.

I mean actually classified as 'Bulldog pokemon'.

[Also Granbull/Snubbull are probobly Cu Siths, because that is literally Celtic for Dog Fairy, who, according to legend, are the size of a bull; and look like a dog; hence their appearance... so actually with their origin being British I think it's a fair bet to say Snubbull will be in the regional dex?]

Besides; it's not like we have pokemon based on the same animal already.

Also; what do you guys think the Regional Bird and Regional mammal will be based of? They're inevitable additions after all. I'd say Pidgeon or Swan, but Unova took those birds. Maybe a Goose? As for mammal, maybe something like a Mouse?

Maybe a heron or an egret if those aren't taken? Shrews or moles for the mammal? I googled birds and Great Britain and took what popped up a lot.

Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: Ranko on April 11, 2019, 07:12:37 AM
Seems a bit dumb of me to say again, but this doesn't at all strike anything with me like how Platinum or HG/SS did. Just seems like milking a cow. 
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: Raikaria on April 13, 2019, 05:27:00 PM
Seems a bit dumb of me to say again, but this doesn't at all strike anything with me like how Platinum or HG/SS did. Just seems like milking a cow.

Pokemon is a 23 year old franchise at this point.

At that point, it's not really going to stand out that much. It's like Core Mario games are going to involve a slightly pudgy plumber jumping around, or Core LoZ games will have a blonde-haired elf-like kid swinging a sword and shield around with loads of side items used for progression.

Besides; Pokemon really isn't the most milked franchise. There aren't games every single year like things such as CoD, and Pokemon also doesn't start whacking your wallet for more with tons of DLC, and while you can call the remakes cash grabs, there's also *demand* for them. [Remember Hoenn Confirmed memes?]. It's a blurr between giving people what they want and the $$$.

Sure Nintendo is perfectly happy to rehash the same winning formulea again with some tweaks, but frankly, it works. And Nintendo is also far from the scummiest company in gaming.

And frankly; it's stable, realiable cash cow franchises like Pokemon, Mario and LoZ which let Nintendo push the boat out on new franchises, and take risks with their console design [Some that work; like the Wii, and others like the Wii U that flop; but Nintendo has that stable cushion to flop onto instead of a hard floor]
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: Drake on April 13, 2019, 11:11:40 PM
Plus I can all but guarantee a large part of that sentiment depends on age group. I for one think HGSS is around the top of the series and I played Diamond for ages but I have to acknowledge part of that is because Silver was my first game and HGSS was the point where I was the most into Pokemon while still being very impressionable. Not at all to say that all Pokemon games are created equal of course, but I think the feeling in people that Pokemon is getting stale or being ultra hype etc is largely age and how invested they already are. Being interested in new entries is almost like anti-nostalgia, which is why there are so many appeals to nostalgia alongside it.
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: Suwako Moriya on June 05, 2019, 01:38:06 PM
BIG
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: commandercool on June 05, 2019, 02:48:55 PM
I legit almost did a spit take when I saw that. That's a crazy stupid idea, I love it so much. :D

Also it looks like maybe we're doing overworld encounters after all?! I hope so.

The new legendaries are very bad, I hate them. But I love Wooloo in both name and design so we'll call it a net positive.
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: Jq1790 on June 05, 2019, 06:26:14 PM
Overworld is pretty and the openness of it(as well as the camera usage) are super appealing to me.

The legendaries look like they're just normal Pokemon who found fancy equipment, but I'm onboard with Zashien for sure.

Corviknight and Drednaw are also pretty good.

Dynamax battles and the associated raids seem interesting and I look forward to seeing more about them. 

Still not QUITE enough for a guaranteed sell, but they're doing a good job so far of convincing me, haha.  Let's see what else they can bring to the table before November.
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: Mеа on June 05, 2019, 07:41:34 PM
Anyone else remember that one episode from OG Pokemon with the gigantic Gengar, Alakazam, and Jigglypuff? That episode gave me nightmares as a kid, but anyway that's what I was reminded of. (And island of the giant pokemon too, though less so, that was a fun episode, it came right after the St. Anne episodes)

Legendaries look ok, I'll probably end up feeling the same way about them as I do about the (non-therian forms of the) weather djinn trio from black/white. They kinda look like palette swapped Pyroars, whose design I didn't really care for either.
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: Giratina93 on June 11, 2019, 11:53:06 PM
Well, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but... During today's E3/Treehouse, Masuda stated that due to time issues and balancing, only mons within the Galar region can be transferred into the games from Pokemon Home. Any mons simply won't exist data-wise in the game, and this will continue for future game releases. So if you all have a favorite you want to use, you have to go get the game that mon is in locally.
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: commandercool on June 12, 2019, 01:09:41 AM
Wait, I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying Sword and Shield are a total hard reset and nothing can be transferred into them, or that Pokemon Home can't be used to do that? Is there another method that does work?
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: Fulisha of Light on June 12, 2019, 07:19:17 AM
Wait, I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying Sword and Shield are a total hard reset and nothing can be transferred into them, or that Pokemon Home can't be used to do that? Is there another method that does work?

Let's say you have 2 Pokemon from your old games (for example, you got an Espurr and a Shinx in Home, which is the Bank equivalent for Switch) that you want to transfer to Sword/Shield.

Because Espurr is in the Galar Dex, it has data in the game, meaning you can transfer the one you have from Sun/Moon to Sword/Shield without issue.

But now you wanna transfer Shinx over to Sword/Shield. However it isn't in the Galar Dex. This means it's not programmed in and thus you can't transfer it to Sword/Shield at all because it doesn't exist in the game's data.

That's what the issue is and everyone is pretty pissed off about it right now.
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: commandercool on June 12, 2019, 12:34:38 PM
That's annoying and bad but isn't ultimately a deal breaker I don't think. That seems like something that can be fixed later, either through a patch or, worst case scenario, a sequel game. Definitely not great, seems sloppy, but I was worried you were saying all transfs were cut off period and I guess I'm glad that's not the case.
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: Jq1790 on June 12, 2019, 04:14:48 PM
While I don't use transfers myself, I'm heavily considering holding off on buying one of them/asking for one now until if/when they fix this, as a statement for those who do.

People have been keeping their beloved Pokemon from as far back as gen 3 and suddenly now they're being told some/all of their faves won't be able to make the jump?  Yeah no that's pretty bad and they don't deserve money for that.  Spitting on longtime fans is a pretty low move and not one I can support even if it doesn't affect me directly.
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: Fulisha of Light on June 12, 2019, 05:08:13 PM
That's annoying and bad but isn't ultimately a deal breaker I don't think. That seems like something that can be fixed later, either through a patch or, worst case scenario, a sequel game. Definitely not great, seems sloppy, but I was worried you were saying all transfs were cut off period and I guess I'm glad that's not the case.
It's not going to be fixed later with a patch or anything, they're making this a new policy; they're not going to make games with every single Pokemon in it in the future because of time and balance issues that they never elaborate on and could probably be fixed with a delay or balance patching instead of just not programming a certain Pokemon outright. A Sword/Shield sequel isn't going to fix this either because it'll be following the new policy of only programming up to probably 450 Pokemon that fit the region aesthetic out of the current 800.

Another issue arises with the fact that once you transfer your mons up to Home, you can't transfer them back. So that Shinx in the example I mentioned before that can't go to Sword/Shield is gonna be stuck in Home for who knows how long until a game it is programmed in comes out for it to transfer to. All while you maintain the fee to keep it there.

For a series that focuses on catching them all and worked hard on features like Bank to allow you to transfer old mons up, this abrupt decision goes against the very fundamentals of the series itself.
This is different from the jump between gen 2 and 3; they had technical limitations at the time that didn't allow them to transfer data between each other, and that was eventually fixed for Bank and VC compatibility. Gen 3 also had all the mons in the data, some just weren't encounterable in the wild and needed to be caught and traded/transferred from another game that had them.
This is different from Sun/Moon having a specialized National Dex for Alola, because even though certain Pokemon aren't in the wild and have no dex entry ingame you could still transfer them over and use them because they had their battle data in it.
This is different from Let's Go, which is a Yellow remake (and has been called a side game in the beginning before changing to being called a mainline game.)

This is about a game not having a certain Pokemon existing in it at all because it was never bothered to be programmed in. *end rant*

It might not matter to some people who don't have or never transfer mons, but it matters to people like me who do that have played for a long time and like to take their ribbon mons/shinies/childhood mons with them to new gens. It's a slap in the face tbh  :(
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: commandercool on June 12, 2019, 07:11:28 PM
It's literally impossible to have a complete collection then, right? That's so heinous that I can't imagine it doesn't get fixed somehow. Cynically this could be a ploy to release a "complete" version later with everything included so everyone can be charged a second time, and generously it's a wildly optimistic decision by Nintendo. I can't really envision things working like this, some kind of fix seems inevitable one way or another.
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: Fulisha of Light on June 12, 2019, 08:48:38 PM
It's literally impossible to have a complete collection then, right? That's so heinous that I can't imagine it doesn't get fixed somehow. Cynically this could be a ploy to release a "complete" version later with everything included so everyone can be charged a second time, and generously it's a wildly optimistic decision by Nintendo. I can't really envision things working like this, some kind of fix seems inevitable one way or another.
We can only hope there's enough of a backlash to make them reconsider. There's outrage on 4chan, Reddit, 2ch, Twitter, Youtube, etc.

But since we have someone like Masuda calling the shots: https://www.usgamer.net/articles/pokemon-sword-and-shield-interview (https://www.usgamer.net/articles/pokemon-sword-and-shield-interview)

I just don't understand why this man is never questioned/challenged on his bullshit and mindset.
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: hyorinryu on June 26, 2019, 03:31:17 AM
I don't get why the DS games were able to accomodate all pokemon but the switch games can't. At first I thought this was going to be like Alola where the pokebank wasn't available immediately, but I guess not. I'm not sure I hate the change so much that I would cancel my preorder though.
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: Mеа on June 27, 2019, 08:58:31 PM
There's been a new trailer for a new game, Pokemon Masters? I love the idea for the game, it's going to be so great to be able to interact with old characters again. There was a short clip of Brock near the end in his classic Gen 1 pose, shirtless and all. That is magical. Fan service, love it.
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: Fulisha of Light on June 29, 2019, 05:46:05 AM
If you haven't heard the news, Masuda has acknowledged the backlash via a statement; rather than do anything about it he's doubling down on his decision:
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Thank you to all of our fans for caring so deeply about Pok?mon. Recently, I shared the news that some Pok?mon cannot be transferred to Pok?mon Sword and Pok?mon Shield. I've read all your comments and appreciate your love and passion for Pok?mon.
Just like all of you, we are passionate about Pok?mon and each and every one of them is very important to us. After so many years of developing the Pok?mon video games, this was a very difficult decision for me. I'd like to make one thing clear: even if a specific Pok?mon is not available in Pok?mon Sword and Pok?mon Shield, that does not mean it will not appear in future games.
The world of Pok?mon continues to evolve. The Galar region offers new Pok?mon to encounter, Trainers to battle, and adventures to embark on. We are pouring our hearts into these games, and we hope you will look forward to joining us on this new journey.
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: commandercool on November 19, 2019, 02:06:42 AM
So who else has been playing this? I managed to mostly avoid spoilers and I've been loving the new designs from what I've seen so far
except the Scorbunny line which is really challenging to look at
. I've got my team of five Wooloos and their sheep dog gorilla and I'm not super far in, I haven't even gotten to the first gym yet, but I like what I've seen so far. I like that the overworld encounters from Let's Go are back with some twists, I don't like that the Let's Go ability to access your entire box from almost anywhere is back, but it's easy enough to just not use, and it makes checking my collection on the fly easier which is fine.
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: hyorinryu on December 06, 2019, 02:10:06 AM
Anyone doing raids?
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: commandercool on December 06, 2019, 01:23:16 PM
I've done quite a few IRL but the only reason they worked out is because I got carried. I've been moving through the game very slowly so all I have to contribute right now is level 35 Wooloos...
Title: Re: Pokemon Sword and Shield
Post by: hyorinryu on December 07, 2019, 09:36:15 PM
I've done quite a few IRL but the only reason they worked out is because I got carried. I've been moving through the game very slowly so all I have to contribute right now is level 35 Wooloos...

My code is SW-5338-7555-3111. Feel free to join any of my raids. Getting people is so hard.