Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Beyond the Border~ => Rumia's Party Games => Mystia's Stored Games => Topic started by: Schezo on January 06, 2013, 06:16:14 AM
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Welcome main characters from the plethora of games. It's obvious you have been called to entertain me, since you know, I matter. Though there is always great stuff in it for you guys too! Lucky for you guys we have a template to run on a great team game for you all to play against each other and the winners get fame and gold and glory. Or to get to be main characters in a new game. The rules weren't written far enough and I forget.
Rules:
1. All days shall last 72 hours, including LYLO. Night will last 24 hours.
2. When a possible LYLO scenario arrives, players will be notified of this at the start of the day. Potential LYLO will not be differentiated from true LYLO.
3. Do not directly quote any mod information in anyway. This includes screenshots. Ask me if you are in doubt.
4. The day will end when one player has a majority of the other players' votes. That player will be removed from the game and have his alignment and role name revealed.
5. You may use your abilities, if you have any, at the times specified in your roles PMs. The scum faction may choose one of their own to perform their factional kill ability or not.
6. Do not delete or edit your posts.
7. Do not communicate outside of the game unless your role PM specifically states otherwise.
8. Votes must be bolded and marked with double octothorpes (#). Ex: ##Vote: Schezo
9. Unvotes should be marked similarly.
10. Everyone must post once every 24 hours. If they do not they will be prodded for activity. Not responding to a prod or repeated prods may result in a modkill/replacement.
11. Don't change your avatar once the game starts.
12. Play to win, but not at the expense of the others' enjoyment.
Still able to take the main character slots:
1. Bardiche Dorian
2. BT
3. Shadoweh
8. Drrawr
11. HuhWhat
Departed: Deported:
PX, Mao the Vanilla Townie was sent home for wearing glasses D1
Serela, Etna the Vanilla Townie left due to a lack of prinny servants N1.
Conq, Almaz the Town Blacksmith was called away for turning into an overlord N1.
NekoNekoRex playing Fuka the Mafia Goon was squirted to death D2.
Hero999, Flonne the Town Oracle was sent away for being too bright D2.
Affinity, Valvatorez the Town Cop was sent to Hades N2
Ihavenoname, playing Gig the Mafia Intercepter has been lynched D3.
Dormio playing Desco the Town Gunsmith didn't have what it took to be final boss N3.
Links:
End of Day1 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg934346.html#msg934346)
End of Day2 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg935813.html#msg935813)
End of Day3 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg937348.html#msg937348)
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Ok confirm in thread and stuff. Do not start this game until I tell you to.
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Help. How do I play this game. Somebody. Please help me.
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Hi :)
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Confirming I guess
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/confirm and stuff
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I only have one wish. That is that this heart of mine will never break.
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Subscribing because it's actually needed this time
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It's been too long.
/confirm.
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Help. I don't know my character well. See you guys in twelve hours.
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The day I don't have work is the least important part of d1, isn't that the best?!
9/13 confirmed
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postemptive /confirm via post
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I AM THE ONE AND ONLY CONFIRMING! It's okay the rest of you plebs can stand aside.
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Ok! That's enough to start so let's start.
Day ends in 72 hours. Pick a lynch by then.
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##Vote Huhwhat
THE SCUM
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##Vote Shadoweh
Dormio thinks that this mean lady is unworthy to be in Dormio's presence!
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##Vote: Shadoweh
Not Me Over Me
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##Vote: huhwhat
Shadoweh says I'm not allowed to bus her.
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Huh what come tell me if you're scum in our hydra QT
##Vote: Dormio
##Bitch please! Mean? Mean?! Only a scum dog who lives in a dog house would say such a thing about the one, and the only me! You are barely worthy of scuffing the bottoms of my boots you hound!
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Dormio knew it! Dormio can't get along with this mean lady!
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Quit acting like a Munak and do as I say! I command you to show me the way!
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town reaction imo
##Unvote
##Vote: PX
I want to see one of two things from people: Either a vote on PX, or a reason why we shouldn't vote PX. Refusal to provide either means you are scum and must die.
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Dormio doesn't listen to orders from anyone but 'sis!
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Dormio doesn't listen to orders from anyone but 'sis!
Dormio its people like you, me, and others that have the same sort of "general" reads like Shadoweh and co being scum. We need to come together on someone, that someone is PX BECAUSE its so hard to build a case on him his slippery scummass. I mean he's not even riding a HW wagon mislynch fodder, so you know he's playing it for the fucking long haul
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##Unvote
##Vote: huhwhat
Lynch huhwhat for D1 gg imo. Bloody hipster.
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Dormio its people like you, me, and others that have the same sort of "general" reads like Shadoweh and co being scum. We need to come together on someone, that someone is PX BECAUSE its so hard to build a case on him his slippery scummass. I mean he's not even riding a HW wagon mislynch fodder, so you know he's playing it for the fucking long haul
huhwhat's already trying to discredit the strong town voices in RVS. He scared man, he scared.
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Dormio thinks that 'sis would want Dormio to start something...
So Dormio will start something!
##Unvote
##Vote Huh What
Dormio doesn't like Huh What mimicking PX's play from a few games ago one bit!
Dormio doesn't like it because it gives Huh What a chance to do whatever he wants before saying that he can't be blamed for any of it because it was just a joke!
Dormio thinks that 'sis wouldn't approve either!
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##Vote: PX
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I'm not voting for myself silly!
##Vote Huhwhat
Also, working from Sun rise to Sun set sucks
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##Vote PX
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PX you don't sound angry enough. Tell us how you really feel. I will grant you the right to ##Bitch just like me.
It's really not fair when you guys make me laugh too hard to decide if you're scummy or not. 'Shadoweh and co.' NO ONE IS EVER ON MY SIDE
In all seriousness Dormio is probably town not that this will stop him from wagoning town and doctoring the scum and PX's non-sequiter is scummy to my ears.
##Unvote
<_< Too many votes to vote before count I don't remember what lynch threshhold is anymore. I'm too used to Day 1 being 16 people
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##Dissect Shadoweh's Kitten
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<_< Too many votes to vote before count I don't remember what lynch threshhold is anymore. I'm too used to Day 1 being 16 people
There's only been one page.
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Underwhelming response from PX. Just because you can't vote yourself doesn't mean you can't talk about anything besides my post and an OMGUS.
Conq's posts following mine sidestepped my post entirely which is bad. Is PX still a RVS hipster lynch now that he's posted?
Dormio's vote on me assumes my PX post was a joke, which it wasn't. Silly, maybe, but it wasn't something I could easily avoid accountability for, and as scum I wouldn't have much reason to do so when people see LEAVING RVS as a towntell (when alone it isn't but yeah). Don't actually find Dormio's post scummy, though.
Shadoweh, you should vote PX with us if you're town.
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But I count at least 4 votes! PX YOU STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM MY KITTENS I WILL END YOU
Huh what: Maybe.
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But I count at least 4 votes! PX YOU STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM MY KITTENS I WILL END YOU
Huh what: Maybe.
This is the same shit that makes you a D1 wagon every game here. Why can't you vote Now and not later?
PX has 3 votes and is at L-4.
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This is the same shit that makes you a D1 wagon every game here.
To make it more obvious, ED1 posts that don't look like scumhunting is.
But pesco isn't in this game so you're probably safe, actually.
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Wow, apparently Shadoweh hasn't rolled scum on this site since Coldcrow.
in any case why the F*cking H*ck would you out a town read on dormio when literally nobody is scumreading him
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Conq's posts following mine sidestepped my post entirely which is bad. Is PX still a RVS hipster lynch now that he's posted?
town reaction imo
##Unvote
##Vote: PX
I want to see one of two things from people: Either a vote on PX, or a reason why we shouldn't vote PX. Refusal to provide either means you are scum and must die.
Dormio its people like you, me, and others that have the same sort of "general" reads like Shadoweh and co being scum. We need to come together on someone, that someone is PX BECAUSE its so hard to build a case on him his slippery scummass. I mean he's not even riding a HW wagon mislynch fodder, so you know he's playing it for the fucking long haul
Alright, you wanna play the "my obvious jokeposts were serious" game? Bring it. What did I sidestep?
What makes PX a less hipster lynch now that he's posted? He's made one post which changes nothing.
Dormio's vote on me assumes my PX post was a joke, which it wasn't. Silly, maybe, but it wasn't something I could easily avoid accountability for, and as scum I wouldn't have much reason to do so when people see LEAVING RVS as a towntell (when alone it isn't but yeah). Don't actually find Dormio's post scummy, though.
Dude, that fact that you're trying to pass what you've done so far as "something you wouldn't do as scum" is scummy because you'd mess around similarly as either alignment. See: Micro 31.
I can agree that Dormio is probably town though.
What's wrong with expressing townreads? Does it hurt at all?
Shadoweh not voting in ED1 is irritating but your level of irritation at her for it is pretty bloody disproportionate. Why so mad?
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Alright, you wanna play the "my obvious jokeposts were serious" game? Bring it. What did I sidestep?
What makes PX a less hipster lynch now that he's posted? He's made one post which changes nothing.
Dude, that fact that you're trying to pass what you've done so far as "something you wouldn't do as scum" is scummy because you'd mess around similarly as either alignment. See: Micro 31.
I'm not messing around here! PX post was serious since that line worked so well in birdmaf, presenting it in a silly way doesn't make it less legitimate and even if it were a joke town would have more to gain from take advantage of it to start shit than ignoring it.
Also, that one post (two posts, actually) is bad.
I can agree that Dormio is probably town though.
What's wrong with expressing townreads? Does it hurt at all?
Shadoweh not voting in ED1 is irritating but your level of irritation at her for it is pretty bloody disproportionate. Why so mad?
Not actually mad at Shadoweh. If I had been I would've said "fucking hell", for real. Conq why can't you read my tone over the internet.
Expressing townreads isn't horrible but outing them for no reason isn't pro-town. Would mainly like to see what Shadoweh has to say.
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I'm not messing around here! PX post was serious since that line worked so well in birdmaf, presenting it in a silly way doesn't make it less legitimate and even if it were a joke town would have more to gain from take advantage of it to start shit than ignoring it.
The only thing that line did in PoB mafia was make scum!PX look active and have half of us misread him as town.
But I like activity and bandwagons, so I reject voting PX in favour of voting you as a counterwagon to your PX wagon.
PX's posts are "bad" but in context of the gamestate they mean almost nothing. How is it scummier than null? What would a "town" post from his position look like if these are his "scum" posts?
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Conq why can't you read my tone over the internet.
Also I'm mad because I spent most of Micro 31 wanting to lynch the hell out of you because ffffff but I held back because I thought you were just being super-demotivated and :wtf: town. So don't give me tone, dammit. :V
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ebwop: "tone"
sorry if that sounded bitchy. i just want to hug everyone until you all suffocate.
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The only thing that line did in PoB mafia was make scum!PX look active and have half of us misread him as town.
D1's activity directly spiraled from his posts and reactions based on it, though. I can't see scum!PX having pulled it if he didn't think it was a reasonable tactic as town.
PX's posts are "bad" but in context of the gamestate they mean almost nothing. How is it scummier than null? What would a "town" post from his position look like if these are his "scum" posts?
There was more for him to talk about than just posting "I can't vote myself, RVS wagon hop" and continuing earlygame tomfoolery. If it was an immediate reaction to my post, then that's null in context of gamestate, but two people had responded to me and Affinity made an empty vote on him and his second post ignored Shadoweh's (questionable) serious post as well.
I'm mainly annoyed because this is exactly what he did last game and yet his responses don't really do anything to further it along. Yeah, he was scum, but I'm under the impression he didn't just do so to look pro-town since he had a quicktopic post saying "first time following (some RVS guide) was a success" or something along those lines, which means he thinks it's a Good Idea on some level. Instead he makes an OMGUS and responds to something semi-serious with a whitenoise post immediately afterwards.
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Wow cool I'm not making shit up (http://puu.sh/1KH1I)
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fyi i was pretty sure that he was referring to greyice's guide on how to get lynched as a jester (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=4256091#p4256091) but i could be wrong. pretty sure that completely changes the context though :v
Also, it's been 3 hours. All this PX attention seems pretty tryhard when you could apply the logic to any number of other people. I'm just going to wait until more people have posted tomorrow.
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I'm pretty sure I get Day 1 wagoned for existing, and lacking that for stream of consciousness. I said I have a town read because I do, are you worried the scum are going to suddenly prioritize killing Dormio because of my approval? It was also the only thing of substance I felt I could add so far. Your(huh what)'s kind of super-angry probing and Conq's half-serious tone aren't telling me what alignment you are yet. PX hasn't proceeded beyond non-serious posting (If he doesn't soon I will acknowledge it as scummy but he doesn't usually start off serious). Serela hasn't even posted yet so I can't use my X-Ray vision to see his alignment. Leaving two empty votes and one comment from BT that doesn't unermine my wish to see a votecount before placing a vote when votes are flying. (Though I have held my vote back in the past and it's certainly aided people finding me scummy, so you might have a point there.)
Conq you are not allowed to be Bitchy that is very clearly my ability, hands off.
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ebwop: and not tryhard as in maka sgm tryhard but as in why the are you taking so much effort to dissect two posts by px when I'm pretty sure you can't actually get that much from them kind of tryhard. Hell, just look at some of PX's previous town games.
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I think he's being more like Maka tryhard but maybee that's just me
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fyi i was pretty sure that he was referring to greyice's guide on how to get lynched as a jester (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=4256091#p4256091) but i could be wrong. pretty sure that completely changes the context though :v
Also, it's been 3 hours. All this PX attention seems pretty tryhard when you could apply the logic to any number of other people. I'm just going to wait until more people have posted tomorrow.
You had linked to a mafiascum RVS guide in the graveyard of the previous game
Yeah, it's tryhard, but that's the best way to give the magical overnight activity players something to talk about this early in the game. I wouldn't have felt the need to go this in-depth had you not been prodding me about it anyway so etc. Most other players are null, your answer to my prods reads reasonable and Shadoweh is Objectively Bad but after her response doesn't actually care enough about how she looks for me to scumread her.
Shadoweh, what's your actual opinion on BT? Now that you mention it, I want another BT post explaining whether he was just sheeping or actually found PX's response scummy.
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I think he's being more like Maka tryhard but maybee that's just me
I wish Hourai still played mafia :<<
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nyo guys
what's up
I'm a Death Miller
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It's super late and I can't finish this thread and keep my eyes open at the same time, so I guess I don't have much else to say.
From what I read PX's lack of participation so far is bad, although I dunno if everyone's even posted in the thread yet so I'd have to reserve my judgment just a bit.
I'll put a vote down when I've read it all tomorrow.
And yes I do indeed flip scum on cop scans and my flip, before someone asks me to confirm.
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Why are people so serious about routine, non-serious stuff? One-time cynical nonchalance on PX's part is cool regardless of alignment. Our shepherd looks like a fraud now!
##Unvote
##Vote: huhwhat
I do trust NNR for now given his badass claim, but why does he not mention me or BT for our blank votes? Same goes for huhwhat actually; personally I felt that there was nothing else to talk about at that time.
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Character count. Hmm. Everyone looks alive to me.
Bardiche (0):
BT (0):
Shadoweh (0):
Dormio (0):
PX (2): Huh What, BT
Ihavenoname (0):
Affinity (0):
Drrawr (0):
Conq (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
HuhWhat (5): Serela, Conq, Dormio, PX, Affinity L-2
Hero999 (0):
Serela (0):
Not Voting: Bardiche, Shadoweh, ihavenoname, Drrawr, NekoNekoRex, Hero999
With 13 left Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
~67 hours left
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PX's non-sequiter is scummy to my ears.
Underwhelming response from PX. Just because you can't vote yourself doesn't mean you can't talk about anything besides my post and an OMGUS.
Inappropriate commentary I feel. Attacking someone over things said near end of D1 when only noteworthy commentary is "let's all lynch PX because". You didn't end RVS as well as you think you did.
and as scum I wouldn't have much reason to do so when people see LEAVING RVS as a towntell (when alone it isn't but yeah).
LEAVING RVS = towntell, but intentionally ending RVS and then invoking this is of course an action that nulls towntells.
RE: Deathmiller; actions will need to speak louder than claims. Not inclined to believe strongly unless game is bastard mod. If it is: I need to learn2check.
##Vote: Huhwhat for forced ending RVS and then talking about how people generally accept this as towny. Intentionally doing things to look townie at this point in the game is scummier than the rest. Shadoweh is also scummy for flipflopping and not voting. Wish I would have two votes. Unfortunately, I can only ##Whisper: Kitchen.
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Tell me your secrets, cutlery.
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EBWOP: Above "end of Day 1" must be "early Day 1" of course.
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Good job, you guys lynched the fucking hated townie Day 1.
Why did I join this game again?
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oohhh youuuuuuuuuu
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don't see a rule against twilight post
yes Bard I was getting a whole load of town credit by doing something I specifically said people shouldn't find other townies for. Fuck.
Stuff I was going to post before I got cut by hammer:
Why are people so serious about routine, non-serious stuff?
Because man I am PUMPED!!!!!! to play some .~*~MotK Mafia~*~. and fuck if I am gonna let RVS stop me when the last few games I remember here were pretty stagnant early on
Didn't mention my fellow PX voters because they didn't really concern me compared to PX, Shadoweh and Conq who actually bugged me at the time. Actually couldn't you ask the entire thread this? Aside from me I dunno why you're singling out the dude who you claim to be townreading that specifically mentioned being too tired to read
##Unvote
##Vote: Affinity
Still not really enthused about PX, making empty posts when he could have Talked then disappearing was lame given precedent. Not really enthused about being at L-2 over an ED1 Strong case either.
I dunno, Bard might be worse than this.
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fight me rawr
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rawr, how much of the thread have you read?
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PX you don't sound angry enough. Tell us how you really feel. I will grant you the right to ##Bitch just like me.
You're all [REDACTED] [REDACTED]. Non-sequiter? I simply listed a reason why I do not vote myself, and simply vote the biggest current wagon to get more stuff for others to talk about. Speaking of which, how did you get from that thought to I suddenly don't make sense and are scum but won't vote. When I've said more words than BT and your response is ???
As for huh what, he's going around super stingy, trying to turn everything into fucking black and white which both makes me want to vote him and not vote for him, and I will continue to vote for him because there's no other reason for me to not vote for him when half of us haven't even posted yet
Dormio? [REDACTED] useless.
Conq's the only voice of reason in this first page
And now NNR comes up with a death miller claim. I was about to call bullshit on it until I looked again and realized Schezo didn't say it wasn't bastard mod. Otherwise, his one "opinion" is basically the popular opinion and I can care less about what he thinks right now because of it
Cuts says I like Bard. Interpret that as you will. That is all
Double cut I'm calling bullshit but w/e, waiting for mod post
More cuts [REDACTED] this crap I work from sunrise to sunset tomorrow, good night
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I redact my PX scumread before I die
RIP
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how is bard's post likable though, he put me at l-1 for fishing for towncred when i explicitly cautioned people against giving others towncred for what i was doing
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rawr, how much of the thread have you read?
none of it
if the day hadnt ended id probably be voting affinity
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WHAT'S THIS?! They got crap in my bin?!
Bardiche (0):
BT (0):
Shadoweh (0):
Dormio (0):
PX (2): Huh What, BT
Ihavenoname (0):
Affinity (0):
Drrawr (0):
Conq (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
HuhWhat (6): Serela, Conq, Dormio, PX, Affinity, BardicheL-1
Hero999 (0):
Serela (0):
Not Voting: Shadoweh, ihavenoname, Drrawr, NekoNekoRex, Hero999
Huh What is at L-1!
With 13 left Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
~66 hours left
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man it sure is Hilarious that everybody i wanted a reaction from (mainly just bard) disappears as soon as i post that
##Unvote
##Vote: Bard
that l-1 vote on me was awful
affinity is questionable, px is cool with me after his real post
i have expended all my ability to care about this game for the day. good night
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i also look forward to waking up to find out that i wasn't hammered in my sleep :colbert:
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Dormio doesn't like NekoNekoRex's claim at all. Dormio is expecting content from NekoNekoRex soon, unless NekoNekoRex wants to make Dormio angry.
##Unvote
##Vote Shadoweh
Something about how defensive Shadoweh is in #46 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933176.html#msg933176) strikes Dormio as odd. Dormio thinks that town!Shadoweh would have been much more nonchalant!
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affinity, why would nnr comment on the blank votes instead of the other stuff in the thread? wouldnt it be harder to talk about empty bandwagon posts than actual posts with words?
l-1 vote was premature but i dont really find bard's post scummy
re: NNR - death miller sounds like it could be the "controversial role" schezo was talking about in signups. it's a ballsy claim to make as scum anyway; if he is scum then someone else coached him to do it.
##unvote
##bt
px looks okay. if I were to vote one of the actual posters right now it'd be affinity for weirdness but i don't think his post was scum motivated so much as a bit non sequitur
shadoweh, a vote isnt an instant death sentence you know
anyway from my experience scum!shadoweh isnt afraid to jump straight into the flow with votes on weak townies
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@huhwhat: You were the one reading into PX's post rather exaggeratedly, saying specifically that he should have commented on this and that at that time, when others did not as well. Since you gave that specific reason, it's up to you to justify it. Same goes for NNR, who said that PX was not 'doing stuff', when other people had not done stuff as well.
Calling me out for singling out NNR when he was tired is also kind of cute when PX with that first post said that work was being a bear on him.
I'm interested to know what value PX's recent post holds for you when it is the same report-ery stuff as always and whaling on everyone whaleable, not even addressing the beef you have with him directly. Seems too easy.
In other news, I want to know what Dormio thought of the huhwhat thing on page 2 however, since he unvoted him for Shadoweh. On the fence regarding everyone else.
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What Dormio thinks of Huh What, huh...?
Dormio doesn't feel any evil coming from it...
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mm, affinity seems fine to me
##vote: bt fixing syntax
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Let's be honest here Dormio, you think it sounds scummy when I sneeze. I am pretty sure if you look back though I am less 'nonchalant' as town and more 'raving psychotic mess'.
I like how somehow huh what was at L-1 did I sleep through a bunch of vote changes or something? I haven't even slept yet though. I might have lost a bunch of non-existent game money though :ohdear:
PX: Did you just ask why me because I like stabbing people who ask that. The actual answer is you were saying things that were pretending to be something and BT hadn't tried to say something yet.
As for huh what, he's going around super stingy, trying to turn everything into fucking black and white which both makes me want to vote him and not vote for him, and I will continue to vote for him because there's no other reason for me to not vote for him when half of us haven't even posted yet
'huh what is going around super stingy trying to turn everything into black and white'. So huh what is going around trying to attack people for content. Why would this make you vote him? Why would this make you not vote him? It's barely understandable english. He's attacking you, does this make him scum?
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Shadoweh, what's your actual opinion on BT? Now that you mention it, I want another BT post explaining whether he was just sheeping or actually found PX's response scummy.
As of when you asked non-existant. As of now he still hasn't said anything new, so I'm treating him as not entered the game yet.
Re: Neko - oh my god. Schezo did say 'theere may be some controversial roles and some people might complain'. I'm gonna ignore that he exists.
##Vote: PX
The fact that his wagon wasn't actually high despite being easy pickings while huh whattles was riding L-1 is pretty suspicious actually. Since when did people need an excuse to jump on PX? P sure huh what is good people too so get the fuck off him etc. Bard, did you put him at L-1 just to freak people out? I ain't your ##Bitch so get your own sammich.
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> Pretending to be something
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA what. Simple request gets simple answer, easy as that. I don't know what you're interpreting my post to be, but you're making something I said seem completely different. Please enlighten us what I meant with my post
##Unvote
##Vote Shadoweh
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What the fucking shit happened while I was asleep? I just read all of that and I want to go "I'm still dreaming I'm still dreaming" and eat my lips off so I wake up. It doesn't help that this is following after seeing a grown man go into tears and rage-leave a chatroom because he's not allowed to use his phone if he goes to a school so he'll never be able to go anywhere in life and he hates us all for not sympathizing with him.
This. Morning.
Okay I'm not going into work for 3 more hours so I have some time to let this all process (Because right now I can't go more then "whaaaaaat"). But before that, dear jesus how did HW actually hit L-1?
##Unvote ##Unvote ##Unvote
But until I think about this harder, knee-jerk reaction to Affinity's post here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933206.html#msg933206) is
##Vote Affinity
Honestly though, I want to distance from everything that just happened overnight as fast as possible. I don't think a clusterfuck like that is super helpful in trying to actually determine townies from scum (or vice versa, whatever)
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Okay posting shortly after waking up isn't always the best, probably kinda overreacted there! Anyway heeeeeeere we go.
Dormio/Bard short concise normal-looking posts make me totally not want to vote them right now, but it might just be because they make me feel like I'm playing a good, intelligent mafia game for the first time in three months. (Granted, it's probably been longer, but that's an easy statement since we haven't run a game in three months.) Conq kinda is here too from his last post?
...mmmn, that's what I got from rereading. Apart from this I'm otherwise half-way still on the same level as my previous post. Don't know what to think about anyone else.
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...no comment. Also I'm sad there was no quicklynch considering how quickly you all piled upon him. You people are so flip-floppy.
##Vote Affinity
Sheeping Serela for Love and Justice!
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NNR is back. I'm reading now. I skimmed and saw a bunch of comments that my post was bad, but I blame the stated reason "I couldn't read the thread and keep my eyes open". My pistons weren't firing at full efficiency when I posted that.
Still reading. Still a Death Miller.
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/me reads Huh What's song and dance about hated Townie.
>Turns out to be false
>Emotional manipulation galore
Fuck that, I'm out.
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I'd probably rage too if I was L-1 within single digit hours of the game starting.
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/me reads Huh What's song and dance about hated Townie.
>Turns out to be false
>Emotional manipulation galore
Fuck that, I'm out.
He's at L-1 with 5 votes when the required number is 7
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no NNR, it's just the mod forgot to change the number, you can see there's 6 votes on him when he's L-1 even though it says 5 votes
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Oh :
That changes the opinion I was just about to start typing out.
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(http://www.ogeeku.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/angryduck.jpg)
He's at L-1 with 5 votes when the required number is 7
The number is wrong, count the number of people.
Cut
I change my mind.
##Unvote
##Vote Serela
Logically the more chaotic the game the more people will slip up somewhere in between, by distancing from it immediately I suspect you of being scum.
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The more chaotic the game becomes, the harder it is to tell townies being silly from scum being scummy.
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Not only that, but it's a lot easier IMO for scum to just fit in if it's chaotic. I don't know how being chaotic is supposed to make anything clearer. Scum are more organized by nature wheras the townies are not.
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So after reading this I kind of want to put that last vote down on Huhwhat. His gambit was really retarded and I don't like the amount of manipulation and tomfoolery he's been posting. His RVS stuff is harder to call him out on, but I don't like his tunneling PX for doing nothing even after RVS apparently ended and there were other people doing the same thing, which diverts attention from them.
I was going to say I dislike Conq but I realized I misread him and he looks better then I actually previously thought. Also his pointing that this isn't not a bastard game and the game has bastard roles does help my claim that I am going to flip scum regardless of what alignment people think I actually am. (I would hope claiming Miller at the start of the game is still standard procedure)
Could use some reasoning for that BT vote, unless you stated it in an earlier post (in which case you should have linked it)
I don't see anything wrong with Bard's post. I suspect he wasn't aware of the number of votes on Huhwhat. I don't agree that leaving RVS = Towntell because anyone can end RVS, so he actually gives me double the reasononing to vote Huhwhat.
Dormio's Shadoweh vote is pretty eh, the tone of Shadoweh's post there is somewhat ambiguious or sarcastic, not really a decent reasonong for a vote. Aside from that he's been pretty transparent and I nearly forgot he was there.
Rawr... is Rawr in this game? Rawr IS in this game. Rawr, you should do something useful.
I feel like I should have something to say about PX and Shadoweh but I really don't, to be honest. Shadoweh is being too ambiguous and non-serious to read (which actually is a reason to dislike him) and PX I only see a reads post and some non-scumhunting votes/bad retorts (which is actually also a reason to dislike him).
Have no opinions on any one else. Affinity exists and Serela/999 only have just started existing. If I missed other people then they aren't important in my POV so whatever.
Consider this a vote on Huhwhat, once someone tells me what the score on him currently is.
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I just reread that and noticed I was rather double-sided on the issue of Shadoweh and Dormio's vote. I don't like Shadoweh's tone overall from this game, but think Dormio's singling out one post to vote on at the same time is rather meh.
If that's still double sided then my bad??? The point is Dormio would benefit from a more solid reasoning for the vote.
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Im glad I like the character I'm leveling up
Bardiche (1): Huh What
BT (1): Conq
Shadoweh (2): Dormio, PX
Dormio (0):
PX (2): BT, Shadoweh
Ihavenoname (0):
Affinity (1): Serela
Drrawr (0):
Conq (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
HuhWhat (2): Affinity, Bardiche
Hero999 (0):
Serela (1): Hero999
Not Voting: ihavenoname, Drrawr, NekoNekoRex
With 13 left Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
~60 hours left
Bardiche is in need of a replacement
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##Vote: Huhwhat for my above post and plus he's no longer L-1
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##Vote Conq
HW lynch isn't happening. The early PX thing read legit and I was proven (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933171.html#msg933171) right (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933172.html#msg933172) later. The only thing I'm unsure about is the whole hated townie thing but it reads different from Micro 31 shens because he keeps (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933217.html#msg933217) being (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933225.html#msg933225) productive (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933229.html#msg933229) and along with this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933231.html#msg933231) it's more like a side joke. Since I linked the Bard vote I'll say that I'm not seeing it so much, esp. compared to other stuff.
The whole wave of Conq questioning sent me straight back to Angel Beats! Scum!Conq when he pushed my Dan vote at early D1.
All this PX attention seems pretty tryhard when you could apply the logic to any number of other people.
This in particular is crap when his entire case was specific to PX and is just more fuel for the fire.
And then there's this:
But I like activity and bandwagons, so I reject voting PX in favour of voting you as a counterwagon to your PX wagon.
##unvote
##bt
The whole L-1 thing happens yet no response to it nor to HW's recent posts plus a vote that does absolutely nothing. When one of the reasons for the HW vote was "I like activity" and you follow with this I'm ready to call bullshit.
From what I read PX's lack of participation so far is bad, although I dunno if everyone's even posted in the thread yet so I'd have to reserve my judgment just a bit.
Next in line to die for that first part. Good thing he claimed Death Miller since that means we get to PL him before LYLO anyway. I don't like the part in his #90 about Conq either: it sounds like he literally likes him for supporting the claim (while, by the way, other people have done the same, but no mention of that). Why not say outright that his BT vote is lacking in reasoning, or state your reasons for "going to say I dislike Conq"? Are you buddies?
Never thought I'd be able to read Serela so early, but yeah, Affinity kneejerk vote is townie. Also agree with it (obviously): the whole "our shepard is a fraud" thing sounds forced. The other post is null which is pretty much what I expected (Affiniscum reads null for the majority of the game) so I approve of the wagon. (which apparently only includes Serela now)
Now that you mention it, I want another BT post explaining whether he was just sheeping or actually found PX's response scummy.
Sheeping. That response was null.
...no comment. Also I'm sad there was no quicklynch considering how quickly you all piled upon him. You people are so flip-floppy.
##Vote Affinity
Sheeping Serela for Love and Justice!
No comment is right. You're sad there was no mislynch but that's it? How do you feel about HW? Also explain your Serela vote because I don't get it.
PX leans town for this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933274.html#msg933274). Shadoweh leans town for #75-#76. Thus ends this friendly broadcast.
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In case anyone missed it, we are policy lynching NekoRex before LYLO.
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The whole wave of Conq questioning sent me straight back to Angel Beats! Scum!Conq when he pushed my Dan vote at early D1.
What's wrong with my line of questioning here? And how does it have anything to do with Angel Beats? (Also, my play in Angel Beats wasn't my scum play since I was genuinely scumhunting the entire game. TD would have been more relevant.)
This in particular is crap when his entire case was specific to PX and is just more fuel for the fire.
Why does that matter? It doesn't change the fact that he threw out a bunch of stuff that was hardly relevant at 3 hours. A bit of a nonsensical accusation.
And then there's this:The whole L-1 thing happens yet no response to it nor to HW's recent posts plus a vote that does absolutely nothing. When one of the reasons for the HW vote was "I like activity" and you follow with this I'm ready to call bullshit.
It's like you only skimmed my posts and are trying to convey them in the worst possible way. I talked about Affinity and Bardiche. Jury's out on huhwhat. His L-1 dance did nothing for my read on his alignment, but I wanted to explore something else first. How is a vote on you a vote that does nothing?
HW lynch isn't happening. The early PX thing read legit and I was proven (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933171.html#msg933171) right (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933172.html#msg933172) later. The only thing I'm unsure about is the whole hated townie thing but it reads different from Micro 31 shens because he keeps (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933217.html#msg933217) being (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933225.html#msg933225) productive (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933229.html#msg933229) and along with this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933231.html#msg933231) it's more like a side joke.
This defense of huhwhat is really bizarre. Describing the PX overanalysis as "legit" when it's literally extrapolating paragraphs from a vote three hours into the game is pretty ridiculous. What is this, Super High School Level Literature Class? The bit about huhwhat keeping productive is awful too when it's just the stuff he'd do any game as either alignment (not to mention the only reason he gave up in Micro 31 was because his buddy was dead and he was about to be lynched; here he was only faking being lynched). Anyway not sure if this is white knighting or just a really hard defense but either way BT is more likely to be scum than huhwhat. Pretty comfortable with my BT vote, everyone should follow me.
In case anyone missed it, we are policy lynching NekoRex before LYLO.
nope
Also Bardiche, if you're the one replacing out, don't leave.
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NNR, is Death Miller your role name?
Shadoweh, are you seriously voting PX on the basis of him being a counterwagon to huhwhat?
Hero, stop being silly.
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how is bard's post likable though, he put me at l-1 for fishing for towncred when i explicitly cautioned people against giving others towncred for what i was doing
Key word here is "others." i looked now and couldn't find your explicit warning, could you quote it perhaps?
here's what I did find:
Silly, maybe, but it wasn't something I could easily avoid accountability for, and as scum I wouldn't have much reason to do so when people see LEAVING RVS as a towntell (when alone it isn't but yeah).
so yeah opinion on bard is still the same as before
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Could use some reasoning for that BT vote, unless you stated it in an earlier post (in which case you should have linked it)
(the reasoning for the vote at the time was that I didn't want to vote other people, but there's more to it now that he's checked in)
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What's wrong with my line of questioning here? And how does it have anything to do with Angel Beats? (Also, my play in Angel Beats wasn't my scum play since I was genuinely scumhunting the entire game. TD would have been more relevant.)
Yet this reminded me of AB and not TD. Naturally - I wasn't going to remember much of your TD game since we were super distance buddies. And you realize that 1) even if the goal is to genuinely scumhunt there's going to be scum/town differences and 2) I'd have to believe your word for it.
Why does that matter? It doesn't change the fact that he threw out a bunch of stuff that was hardly relevant at 3 hours. A bit of a nonsensical accusation.
You'd have to point out the irrelevancy. That, and that's not why that was bad. You said he "could apply the logic to any number of other people" which is plain wrong.
It's like you only skimmed my posts and are trying to convey them in the worst possible way. I talked about Affinity and Bardiche. Jury's out on huhwhat. His L-1 dance did nothing for my read on his alignment, but I wanted to explore something else first. How is a vote on you a vote that does nothing?
Yeah I basically said "response to HW" twice, my bad. Why did you choose that moment to explore something else? It's a fact that a vote on the guy that posted nothing will do nothing. It looks like you backed down.
This defense of huhwhat is really bizarre. Describing the PX overanalysis as "legit" when it's literally extrapolating paragraphs from a vote three hours into the game is pretty ridiculous. What is this, Super High School Level Literature Class? The bit about huhwhat keeping productive is awful too when it's just the stuff he'd do any game as either alignment (not to mention the only reason he gave up in Micro 31 was because his buddy was dead and he was about to be lynched; here he was only faking being lynched). Anyway not sure if this is white knighting or just a really hard defense but either way BT is more likely to be scum than huhwhat. Pretty comfortable with my BT vote, everyone should follow me.
Here you realize that "legit" isn't absolute. The posts I linked are what made me think his choice of pushing against PX (if exaggerated) is probably coming from town. Also, I know what I said about M31, he was pretty nonserious even before the PX lynch and it's unlike what he did here. If he wanted to cause an emotional clusterfuck or whatever he could have just been more vague instead of making sure everyone was aware he was aware he's not lynched.
nope
We are not bringing a death miller to LYLO.
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Just posting to say I'm here and reading everything. Got distracted by AGDQ yesterday and then way way way way way overslept today.
Actual opinion post to follow.
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I'll drop the meta thing because it's ~*meta*~ but suffice to say that my scum play is really different from my town play because I hate playing scum and it oozes through my entire scumplay.
You'd have to point out the irrelevancy. That, and that's not why that was bad. You said he "could apply the logic to any number of other people" which is plain wrong.
Relevant in terms of moving the game along, sure, but that's null. Relevant in terms of scumhunting, no. That's what I meant by relevance. The extremely overblown way which he did it felt like posturing. And yes, he could apply the logic to any number of other people. Not in the sense that other people made QT posts about whatever strategy, but that other people could have done "more stuff" and one could probably pull up relevant examples from meta why they would do more. Also, if I want to go with that shtick I don't get how PX OMGUS voting huhwhat for the counterwagon isn't moving the game along. Does he have to comment on literally everything? Why don't his responses further the game along? huhwhat's just posting stream of consciousness and/or bs and once you poke at the logic it all falls apart.
Yeah I basically said "response to HW" twice, my bad. Why did you choose that moment to explore something else? It's a fact that a vote on the guy that posted nothing will do nothing. It looks like you backed down.
I switched votes because 1) the whole L-1 sorta soured my taste for the wagon and 2) I wasn't as sure of huhwhat scum anymore? Given my history of past play with huhwhat it looks like I always get into slapfights with him. So yeah, I did back down. I'm re-evaluating based on how huhwhat is going to continue to post.
Also, a vote is a vote is a vote. It's more useful on potential scum even if they haven't posted. And as it is I'm not looking at Affinity/Bard/Shadoweh scum.
Here you realize that "legit" isn't absolute. The posts I linked are what made me think his choice of pushing against PX (if exaggerated) is probably coming from town. Also, I know what I said about M31, he was pretty nonserious even before the PX lynch and it's unlike what he did here.
Okay, so what about those posts are more likely to come from town!what than scum!what wrt what I posted earlier? Also, hw seemed pretty serious before the PX lynch in M31 (discounting RVS shenanigans where we were all trolling), so how is that unlike what he did here? That entire slapfight with Om was bloody painful to read.
If he wanted to cause an emotional clusterfuck or whatever he could have just been more vague instead of making sure everyone was aware he was aware he's not lynched.
Except that the mod posted a votecount and made it clear the jig was up so he'd have had choice anyway?
We are not bringing a death miller to LYLO.
Maybe I'm biased because I was a death miller once but it would be nice to give a chance for night actions and dayplay to take care of the "death miller" before we start making proclamations about them. Same deal as with normal millers etc.
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EBWOP: so he'd have had no choice anyway
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ebwodp: I'm saying this because I don't think NNR is scummy.
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Dorian G replaces Bardiche.
As you were demons.
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sigh...anyway welcome to the game dorian
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What the fuck Bard? A reaction test is part of the game. I wasn't trying to emotionally manipulate people, I was acting, so that people could actually believe the reaction test. People do this every time they roll scum and I don't think anything I posted went beyond the boundaries of the game.
Ugh, writing a post but wanted to address this first because I hate it when people sub out over minor stuff.
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I got released early :D
Also wtf Brodiche? This is why we can't have nice things
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Boy you people give a lot of unnecessary hell
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What the fucking shit happened while I was asleep?
Serela's entire series of posts seems to me like fluff. Affinity raises a good point about NNR in the linked post (#53).
Dormio/Bard short concise normal-looking posts make me totally not want to vote them right now, but it might just be because they make me feel like I'm playing a good, intelligent mafia game for the first time in three months. (Granted, it's probably been longer, but that's an easy statement since we haven't run a game in three months.) Conq kinda is here too from his last post?
So you don't want to vote Dormio or Bard Dorian because they're posting short messages? How does that determine alignment? Something feels a bit off to me about Conq but his 3 posts right after I showed up do make me not want to vote him for now.
So for now I'm going to ##Vote:Serela and go re-read the huh what wagon because right now I don't quite get why it ballooned to L-1.
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What the fuck Bard? A reaction test is part of the game. I wasn't trying to emotionally manipulate people, I was acting, so that people could actually believe the reaction test. People do this every time they roll scum and I don't think anything I posted went beyond the boundaries of the game.
Ugh, writing a post but wanted to address this first because I hate it when people sub out over minor stuff.
First thought I had about this was Huh What is claiming scum.
Then I re-read it and went like whut?
No comment is right. You're sad there was no mislynch but that's it? How do you feel about HW? Also explain your Serela vote because I don't get it.
What? So like I want to look at that one word there.
Mislynch. Your confidence that Huh What is an mislynch confuses me.
Serela? Avoiding, staying away, attention stuff.
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I think Bard's vote on me is Scummy because he's painting me as trying to get towncred when I explicitly cautioned against giving people towncred for doing what I was doing, and even though this barely means anything he puts me at L-1 over it instead of just voting his other scumread. Given his second post I'm inclined to believe this wasn't town!Bard doing it for shits and giggles (I personally think his sub out is null, could see him getting frustrated about this from the PoV of scum knowing I'm town).
Shadoweh #76 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933248.html#msg933248): You're literally voting PX based on what other people were doing with no flips, not based on any actions of his own. This is actually a Scum Case on D1 because you're not forced to justify why the guy you're voting is playing like scum. Is there anything about PX's actual content that's scummy to you?
Serela #79 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933286.html#msg933286): This is an awful way of judging the alignment since it's easy for scum to post that stuff and you're not considering their content.
RE: Affinity (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933239.html#msg933239): If we had scum!PX not giving a fuck about the game I would've expected him to keep doing the same weak, empty posts and probably try to actually paint me as scum instead of setting up an unvote. Otherwise it's typical PX, note that I didn't say I'm townreading him but he's low-priority. Do you find PX scummy, on that note?
I don't think you singling out NNR vs me singling out PX is a double standard when PX implied he would have work in the future, not at the exact moment he posted it. PX voters were at least pushing my ED1 post which is more constructive in some way.
Describing the PX overanalysis as "legit" when it's literally extrapolating paragraphs from a vote three hours into the game is pretty ridiculous.
Reminder that I wouldn't have been posting paragraphs without you poking at my vote in the first place. It was literally just "hey, PX's responses disappoint me and are bad enough for an ED1 scumread, I like keeping my vote down here atm" not "guys we're lynching PX D1 he's obvscum".
Got distracted by AGDQ yesterday and then way way way way way overslept today.
I don't normally watch speedruns and stuff but I want to see the Gimmick! run tomorrow because that game is sick :>
Conq is being gung-ho without AtE or folding under pressure; don't really find him scummy or think the BT vote is unreasonable for town to make once my wagon became stale. At the same time I find the BT case weak too. How is he defending me in a scummy way? Don't really want to lynch either. On that note, I agree with Conq about NNR. BT suggesting we policy lynch NNR is a terrible idea since any attempt to analyze from his flip is WIFOM. Policy vig, though, sure. If you're just using the threat of policy lynch as rhetoric to push your NNR case then you should probably admit to it and stop.
Prefer Dorian slot lynch, want more from Affinity but he rubs me the wrong way.
Shadoweh and Serela have Questionable Logic in ways I find scummy. More Serela than Shadoweh, Shadoweh reads give me lazytown!Shadoweh vibes but the Serela logic I quoted is the kind of meaningless, poorly-reasoned filler I've come to expect from scum!Serela. Also I hate having to use meta to read people when they do dumb shit.
Hero cut: not a scumclaim, I'm just saying that I was acting in a way that is par for the course in a game of Mafia, since scum do it every game.
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"acting" as in being an actor
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Dormio's Shadoweh vote is pretty eh, the tone of Shadoweh's post there is somewhat ambiguious or sarcastic, not really a decent reasonong for a vote. Aside from that he's been pretty transparent and I nearly forgot he was there.
Shadoweh is being too ambiguous and non-serious to read (which actually is a reason to dislike him)
Dormio is wondering if NekoNekoRex has issues!
Doesn't what NekoNekoRex said seem kind of hypocritical?
Dormio thinks so!
Dormio isn't entirely sure on what to say right now...
Instead Dormio thinks that Dormio will ask Serela about what Serela thinks about the game!
Dormio wonders if Serela really intends to ignore a large chunk of the information presented so far...
Dormio also wants to ask Serela if Serela thinks that Affinity's reaction is worse than anything and everything else in the thread...
What should Dormio do...
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Dormio, do you have thoughts on the Bard case at least? Why's Shadowmeh a better vote than Serela for you, anyway?
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NNR, is Death Miller your role name?
That's a secret! :3
In case anyone missed it, we are policy lynching NekoRex before LYLO.
Just want you to know this is a highly pointless statement since my flip is only going to mislead town.
I have more reasons I like Conq then just his observation on my claim. His RVS posts were likable.
In fact I don't really like any of that big BT post at all. Lots of meta and I don't like the case on him. Particularly the part where you called Conq's #45 post bad, which I thought was a townie post.
Dormio is wondering if NekoNekoRex has issues!
Doesn't what NekoNekoRex said seem kind of hypocritical?
Dormio thinks so!
Dormio isn't entirely sure on what to say right now...
Instead Dormio thinks that Dormio will ask Serela about what Serela thinks about the game!
Dormio wonders if Serela really intends to ignore a large chunk of the information presented so far...
Dormio also wants to ask Serela if Serela thinks that Affinity's reaction is worse than anything and everything else in the thread...
What should Dormio do...
I think you missed the post directly after that... ^^;;
More to come maybe?
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forgot
##Unvote
##Vote: BT
Don't think I've forgotten about Huhwhat, I just think BT is a much better choice with his recent posts leaving a poor taste in my mouth.
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It dawns on me just now Bard's #82 was him subbing out
Bard I don't think you're cut out for Mafia if you can't handle :social pressures:
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Dormio, do you have thoughts on the Bard case at least?
Dormio has many thoughts!
Dormio wonders what 'sis is doing...
Dormio worries about big bro...
And Dormio doesn't particularly agree with the Bard case!
Why's Shadowmeh a better vote than Serela for you, anyway?
Dormio hopes for the day that Serela will provide content for Dormio to solidify thoughts on!
And Dormio is lazy.
Dormio thinks that it's probably because Dormio is lazy...
I think you missed the post directly after that... ^^;;
Did Dormio do that...?
It looks like Dormio made a mistake!
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Next person to take a crack at Bardiche replacing out gets modkilled.
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You don't put ketchup on your eggs? Burn for it!
Dorian (1): Huh What
BT (2): Conq, NekoNekoRex
Shadoweh (2): Dormio, PX
Dormio (0):
PX (1): Shadoweh
Ihavenoname (0):
Affinity (1): Serela
Drrawr (0):
Conq (1): BT
NekoNekoRex (0):
HuhWhat (2): Affinity, Dorian
Hero999 (0):
Serela (2): Hero999, ihavenoname
Not Voting: Drrawr
With 13 left Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
~52 hours left
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Okay, so what about those posts are more likely to come from town!what than scum!what wrt what I posted earlier? Also, hw seemed pretty serious before the PX lynch in M31 (discounting RVS shenanigans where we were all trolling), so how is that unlike what he did here? That entire slapfight with Om was bloody painful to read.
Thought process. Looked like he was intent he really found something rather than blowing things out of proportion.
Funny you mention the Om slapfight. The painful thing about that part was hw answering shit with "lol" and variants. That'd be the prime example of nonserious play.
Maybe I'm biased because I was a death miller once but it would be nice to give a chance for night actions and dayplay to take care of the "death miller" before we start making proclamations about them. Same deal as with normal millers etc.
Odds are it'll still be a gamble at a later stage in the game. Whatever, it's why I don't want to do it *now* or anything.
What? So like I want to look at that one word there.
Mislynch. Your confidence that Huh What is an mislynch confuses me.
I meant to quote you and say quicklynch but that's not surprising, I am pretty confident about this read.
What I don't get about your vote is why is Serela distancing?
BT suggesting we policy lynch NNR is a terrible idea since any attempt to analyze from his flip is WIFOM. Policy vig, though, sure. If you're just using the threat of policy lynch as rhetoric to push your NNR case then you should probably admit to it and stop.
We're not going to get anything from the flip (unless there's a distinction between death miller flip and, say, mafia pr) but I know I don't want that kind of thing in LYLO, it's not a rhetoric. Me finding him scummy is just another reason to do it.
Just want you to know this is a highly pointless statement since my flip is only going to mislead town.
You realize that I just want to kill you more now.
In fact I don't really like any of that big BT post at all. Lots of meta and I don't like the case on him. Particularly the part where you called Conq's #45 post bad, which I thought was a townie post.
What's wrong with meta? And I'm pretty sure I explained #45, so you're pretty much disliking because disagreeing. And you base your vote off of this.
Am I crazy for thinking this is scum?
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Thought process. Looked like he was intent he really found something rather than blowing things out of proportion.
This actually seems like cherry-picking arguments since in my last post I even said that my PX vote was "scummy enough for ED1". I thought I found something, but not something notable.
Can you re-summarize your case on Conq? The gist of it seems to be meta (which I disagree with) + that you disagree with his vote, and I'd argue Bard and Affinity were worse as far as my wagon goes. Why do you disagree with the Bard vote, anyway?
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@BT:
Honestly though, I want to distance from everything that just happened overnight as fast as possible. I don't think a clusterfuck like that is super helpful in trying to actually determine townies from scum (or vice versa, whatever)
@On another note, what NNR just did could be counted as OMGUS right!?
omgomgomgomgwhatascumomgomgomg.
Wierdddddd answers.
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This actually seems like cherry-picking arguments since in my last post I even said that my PX vote was "scummy enough for ED1". I thought I found something, but not something notable.
Can you re-summarize your case on Conq? The gist of it seems to be meta (which I disagree with) + that you disagree with his vote, and I'd argue Bard and Affinity were worse as far as my wagon goes. Why do you disagree with the Bard vote, anyway?
Well yeah, RVS-relative. Not cherry-picking anything.
Why do you disagree with that meta? I said it reminded me of that so it's not really something wrong / right.
I guess it's more that I feel the questioning didn't come from a townie place and then his backing off didn't fit what he said earlier about activity. Hard to put to words as is but I don't think I'm wrong.
About the Bard case: For starters, I don't know why putting you to L-1 is a point against him. All that's left is the whole "accused me of getting towncred" thing which isn't that strong.
I already said I'd support an Affinity wagon.
What do you think about NNR?
@Hero: You find nothing worse than that so far?
@On another note, what NNR just did could be counted as OMGUS right!?
omgomgomgomgwhatascumomgomgomg.
Wierdddddd answers.
Yeah pretty much. He doesn't like my posts so whoops vote. I'd say that he's riding on Conq's case cred but Conq doesn't really have a case either.
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Not really convinced NNR would think to pull a death miller claim. Don't really agree with anything he's said (his vote on you reads as "I disagree with BT's case") but I don't see scum intent in his posts. Can't really judge his very first post since he hadn't read the thread.
Bard's vote is scummy because he was ignoring information that made his case fall apart. Plus he was weighing voting me and Shadoweh and went for the shitty vote on the huge wagon instead of doing anything to elicit actual content from Shadoweh.
Meta-ing Conq based on a game where he was ITP is pointless because ITPs know they're not scum and will legitimately scumhunt early on to look like town. The "scum/town differences" would mainly pop up when on the defensive and trying to avoid pressure, not when scumhunting.
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Yeah pretty much. He doesn't like my posts so whoops vote.
Except that it isn't OMGUS. You said I looked scummy and said I should get lynched at some point for existing. There's no vote on me either??? You're very clearly suspecting me on my claim over my content.
I'm not even voting you for your "case" on me. Your line of thought is reason enough to find you scummy.
I don't like your case on Conq. It's mostly taking a crack at RVS posting (which has little basis due to lack of content to discuss), and also:
Meta is bad and you should feel bad for using it.
When I read "this reminds me of <X Past Game Of Mafia> followed by a vote, that's automatically bad play.
Your scumhunting is bad and looks scummy therefore ##Vote: BT. Pretty simple. Feel free to contest that as scummy somehow.
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Except that it isn't OMGUS. You said I looked scummy and said I should get lynched at some point for existing. There's no vote on me either??? You're very clearly suspecting me on my claim over my content.
I'm not even voting you for your "case" on me. Your line of thought is reason enough to find you scummy.
You're not making any sense. I'd gladly lynch you right now but that claim was an automatic "ehh no" to most people. Where's the scummy line of thought?
I don't like your case on Conq. It's mostly taking a crack at RVS posting (which has little basis due to lack of content to discuss)
In case you're new here, RVS lasts a few hours. Then it ends. Do you not like the case or the fact that it was based on some imaginary RVS?
Your scumhunting is bad and looks scummy therefore ##Vote: BT. Pretty simple. Feel free to contest that as scummy somehow.
Considering you're still voting me off of nothing coherent, yeah, pretty scummy. Feel free to show me where I went wrong with my scumhunting because I don't see it.
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You're not making any sense. I'd gladly lynch you right now but that claim was an automatic "ehh no" to most people. Where's the scummy line of thought?
It was "labelling my vote as OMGUS".
In case you're new here, RVS lasts a few hours. Then it ends. Do you not like the case or the fact that it was based on some imaginary RVS?
Your case is based on stuff Conq posted when there was almost nothing to discuss (and not half the players even had content yet). That's definitively RVS.
Considering you're still voting me off of nothing coherent, yeah, pretty scummy. Feel free to show me where I went wrong with my scumhunting because I don't see it.
Fine, in depth time.
Here's your #94.
##Vote Conq
The whole wave of Conq questioning sent me straight back to Angel Beats! Scum!Conq when he pushed my Dan vote at early D1. META WARNING THIS IS BAD
This in particular is crap when his entire case was specific to PX and is just more fuel for the fire. What does this even mean? The case was about PX so it automatically ignores everyone else doing the same thing as PX?
And then there's this:The whole L-1 thing happens yet no response to it nor to HW's recent posts plus a vote that does absolutely nothing. When one of the reasons for the HW vote was "I like activity" and you follow with this I'm ready to call bullshit. Why is Conq obligated to react to HW's gambit? How does that make him scummy?
Oh look, it's the post I admitted to making while half-asleep.
Next in line to die for that first part. Good thing he claimed Death Miller since that means we get to PL him before LYLO anyway. Because let's get straight to the point: screw my content, I claimed scan-immune. I don't like the part in his #90 about Conq either: it sounds like he literally likes him for supporting the claim (while, by the way, other people have done the same, but no mention of that). Next he'll say I'm buddies with Conq for thinking he's a townie. Why not say outright that his BT vote is lacking in reasoning I did though., or state your reasons for "going to say I dislike Conq? Must have missed the part where I said "I misread his posts". Are you buddies??Whoops, you caught me!
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null + forced + meta = scum is bad math and worse mafia.
In any case, BT's tenuous reasons for voting Conqueror (bad reasons for voting hw; Conq unvoting hw for bt without words at L-1) seem to have decayed to nothing in their exchange.
I don't see the point of his vote any more after #102 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933377.html#msg933377), where Conq explains it away. BT making mountains of *activity* as a main reason on Conq's part is rather silly, while ignoring the bulk of #102 and proceeding to hammer NNR hints at insecurity as scum. His choice of subsidiary suspects irk me as well.
##Unvote
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huhwhat's #112: (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933393.html#msg933393) PX 'working from sunset to sunrise' clearly entails the present and not the future. Still don't get how PX's reportery post was not empty or how he was 'setting up for an unvote' when he just jumped onto the first person who said something against him (Shadoweh).
More to follow much later.
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huhwhat's #112: (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933393.html#msg933393) PX 'working from sunset to sunrise' clearly entails the present and not the future. Still don't get how PX's reportery post was not empty or how he was 'setting up for an unvote' when he just jumped onto the first person who said something against him (Shadoweh).
PX and I both live in California and iirc it was dark out when he made that post so I assumed
I got the impression PX was operating under the same "this isn't horribly scummy but there's nobody scummier so it's worth keeping" ED1 logic I was. He jumped to Shadoweh once she posted something he found scummier, I jumped to you / Bard for the same reason + PX's response wasn't that horrible. Honestly I can't go into detail because my response was mainly kneejerk gut thing (look at post times) since I thought his post would be more of a cop-out as scum. Maybe my expectations were too low. In any case I don't see anything that makes me want to target him again atm.
Not really interested in BT wagon, I can kind of see where he's coming from with the non-meta part of his case after his response, I just... don't agree Conq is scummy. If I were to switch to another wagon atm it'd be Serela. Not sure what you mean by BT looking insecure, Affinity, care to elaborate?
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oh whoops i just realized it was "sunset to sunrise" and not the other way around
that's entirely my bad, then
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Also, working from Sun rise to Sun set sucks
no wait, it is sunrise to sunset
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Definitely unsupport of BT wagon
Even though Conq blatantly disagrees with BT and thinks BT is scum I'd be unsupport of a Conq Wagon too (which doesn't exist anyway)
I like how Dormio calls me out on not having done much while simultaneously only doing weak pokes at me and NNR (the latter even which was even a mistake)
...is what I'd like to say, but he's done some stuff earlier (And given it's like 24 hours into the game what he's done so far is a normal amount), so actually he's fine I guess :T
So you don't want to vote Dormio or Bard Dorian because they're posting short messages?
way2misrep
Anyway, their messages aren't actually short, if you went and look at them. It's just that they're actually organized and easy to interpret and, well... USEFUL. I can read their post and know what they're thinking and why and they're being efficient. AKA the "concise" part. To be blatantly obvious about it, I'd actually not want to lynch them on the basis that I'd find the game much more enjoyable with people posting like that even if I ended up losing because of it, but I still did think they didn't look scummy anyway, so that doesn't matter much.
I was lazy and didn't go into the actual content as HW said because forced RVS end tier stuff is like impossible for me to read and opinions on it mostly go the same direction. This is what happened in... I think it was the previous game? It's hard to remember given that was 3 months ago or so, but I think I did the same thing in the previous game.
Dormio also wants to ask Serela if Serela thinks that Affinity's reaction is worse than anything and everything else in the thread
Worst =/= Most looking like the player might be scum (the again this depends on what exactly the particular person means by "worse" since that can actually vary a lot)
In any case it was like 10 hours into the game, I wasn't exactly putting much faith into anything. But, to be honest, even as I reread the thread, I don't really have worse then a null read on anyone. Most of the people actively posting (therefore giving me anything to get a read from) are being things I don't want to lynch, and then the remainder don't have much for me to go off. I rarely enjoy trying to post on D1.
Lemme try to gather my thoughts on everyone. Thoroughness and opinion displaying is good because I have little to say that's actually consequential, so, better go for what's left. (By the way, in retrospect this is basically just explaining six null reads. It's boring.)
-I think Hero's case on me is silly, but it's only 24-ish hours into the game and Hero is somewhat silly normally anyway, so I'm null.
-IHNN has all of one real post iirc and I already responded to it. One post isn't enough in this case for me to think anything.
-Drrawr doesn't exist yet
-I can never correctly read HW, -ever-, he practically always looks town, same here
-PX's most recent posts are being involved in the silly HW spat thing, and I can't get a thing from that rvs-generated argument because it's made of useless.
-Shadoweh's 76 is the only post recent enough to deal with anything that matters. The wagon analysis is still too early in the game to look like it specifically came from a certain alignment. Even if I had HW and PX's flips.
Aaaand that leaves Affinity. I'm actually voting him, of course, so, uh. Let's see here. Okay, now I have to go reread BT because that's his new case. Okay, I see where Affinity is coming from about Bt's vote on Conq (even if I don't think it's as bad as Affinity does, I see what he means), but the hinting at insecure scum about the NNR stuff seems like it's either something I'm not mafia-pro enough to ever think about or is just kind of... huh?
I think considering how early in the game it is, I think Affinity's comment on subsidiary suspects is pretty silly.
(Also, I'm planning on going to bed early and not reappearing until late tomorrow because I have a long shift starting at 7:30am tomorrow, bleh. So I'll be pretty nonexistant for awhile. Hopefully I get Wednesday off, that would be fabulous to be around for the end of the day.)
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you posted opinions on the entire game and you have concrete reads on, what, two players?
honestly want to kneejerk vote Serela but I'll wait for The Shadoweh Verdict?
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actually fuck that your vote is literally justified by "I think Affinity is pretty silly I guess"
##Unvote
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you posted opinions on the entire game and you have concrete reads on, what, two players?
And most of the game has made, like, two posts that aren't in rvs?
And then you voted me
uh
well my case on affinity isn't really that great I guess but this still feels really weird :T I'm sleepy.
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And most of the game has made, like, two posts that aren't in rvs?
forgot the addendum that mentioned most of them are only 1 really insignificant one
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if by "isn't really great" you mean you said you see where he's coming from but don't understand part of his post and this makes him scummy because...... because............ then yeah
every single read on somebody you might find suspicious (dormio, hero) is instantly handwaved away
you're not trying to find intent behind posts
this is the exact same active lurking shit you did in adorable and mc
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I really should superlurk more d1s. It just next-to-always works out better then trying to actually post before D2.
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serela, if you're town, then how the hell can you write that post and think "yeah, this is good and will help lynch the scum, sure!", ever
it reads like you're posting for the sake of posting. you're making excuses for half the game not being scummy and need to force yourself to hate people
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I'm... I'm not good at hating people D: I'm always apologizing to people in case they're actually town and not faking what they're doing!
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If I make a bigger post in the next 2 hours I will be maimed, but vaguely reading. Beating on Serela assists in getting a read on him though.
Serela, who do you think is scummy exactly? I see a couple unsupports but I don't see anyone you dislike.
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Affinity would be the closest thing I have to a scumread roughly 24 hours into the game
There's plenty of people I think I might dislike if they had more then one real post? But, um.
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Thought process. Looked like he was intent he really found something rather than blowing things out of proportion.
Funny you mention the Om slapfight. The painful thing about that part was hw answering shit with "lol" and variants. That'd be the prime example of nonserious play.
huhwhat already covered this but I thought it was pretty clear that he was deliberately blowing his vote out of proportion, whatever the intent.
I guess it's more that I feel the questioning didn't come from a townie place and then his backing off didn't fit what he said earlier about activity. Hard to put to words as is but I don't think I'm wrong.
See, this is the problem I have with your play. You make the statement that my questioning didn't come from a townie place, using ~*Angel Beats*~ as a reference point because I was a SK there. I say I actually thought you were scum there, you say of course you can't trust me. Well, I'll take the opportunity to go ahead and link my third party QT from that game (http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/ggcM5FCHtXH) which backs me up. Your statement about my backing off of huhwhat not fitting my wanting to make activity with bandwagons is bollocks precisely because of when I backed off; huhwhat was already at L-1 and there was other stuff going on, so what is keeping my vote there going to do if I don't have anything new to say about him? Hell, how would me not backing off fit what I said earlier about activity? Activity is all about action as opposed to stagnation/inaction, which is what I was doing.
So take away all this and throw in all my responses to BT and you see that BT's vote on me is smoke and mirrors, but he's dressed it up as something he doesn't think he's wrong about.
You're not making any sense. I'd gladly lynch you right now but that claim was an automatic "ehh no" to most people. Where's the scummy line of thought?
BT has some stuff about NNR and would gladly lynch him but he doesn't want to try for it because of the claim that he thinks is a big part of what makes NNR scummy? This doesn't seem like a townie mindset, especially after you take into account the number of people who expressed dislike of the claim. If BT really thought NNR was scum, he'd make an effort to start the wagon instead of effectively voteparking.
I'd say that he's riding on Conq's case cred but Conq doesn't really have a case either.
Lots of gusto despite the paucity of content.
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*If BT really thought NNR was scum, he'd make an effort to start the wagon instead of effectively voteparking on me, given that even fewer people have expressed interest in lynching me. So him using this reasoning as an excuse not to go for an NNR lynch is disingenuous.
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Definitely unsupport of BT wagon
Why?
Serela's post speaks for itself I think. Seriously Serela your only scumread is a PoE scumread? It's made worse by I SEE WHERE MY SCUMREAD IS COMING FROM WITH HIS VOTE EVEN THOUGH I DISAGREE WITH SOME OTHER STUFF I DONT UNDERSTAND.
Could see myself voting Serela, could def be scum. Leaning town on huhwhat now. BT still scum level over 9000.
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Also, rawr needs to do something, anything, especially given that he likes to lurk as scum.
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Seriously Serela your only scumread is a PoE scumread? It's made worse by I SEE WHERE MY SCUMREAD IS COMING FROM WITH HIS VOTE EVEN THOUGH I DISAGREE WITH SOME OTHER STUFF I DONT UNDERSTAND.
Also, the bad part isn't that Serela doesn't have any scumreads. The bad part is that it takes so many words for him to say it. Why would you ever go into explaining six nulls except for filler material? It's busywork meant to overjustify his PoE...when in fact looking at his post reveals his PoE isn't actually PoE because of all the nulls.
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Why would you ever go into explaining six nulls except for filler material?
EBWOP: Unless you're a new player/compulsive waller, neither of which Serela are
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I can actually see scum!rawr; this strikes me as a "scum aren't posting" sort of game and his one scumread was totally unexplained. He sounded like he believed the hated claim, so withholding content when it's your last chance before night benefits scum more than town PX is also augh in a "scummy due to what isn't there" kind of way, it's been night for ages and he got off work lately only to do nothing? Slowly growing displeased with him, IHNN to a lesser extent since I thought what he did post was solid, but man you should have had opinions on my wagon like you said ages ago.
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Hell the fact that it's possible rawr was viewing the thread for a while but only popped up to comment on the hated fakeclaim is really suspicious
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##Votes: BT
Sheeping conq because NNR reason for voting doesnt make any sense and affinitys case doesnt seem to have any :effort: into it.
huhwhats case on bard just doesnt seem legit enough for me to roll with considering this is a bastardmod game and a hated townie is pretty slim, and you hammering youself at l-1 because rage doesnt seem reasoning. <- that kinda also rolls into reason as to why he didnt vote shadoweh over you.
Im still completely bugged on affinitys #53 where he mentions his and BT blanks votes. Why did you only feel the need to call out only NNR and huhwhat? What is your stance on PX, you made several posts defending him in some posts? Also ill bite, what was with the blank PX vote?
Im also totally not turned on by his reasoning for voting BT or his other posts
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it was 3am at the hated fakeclaim
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what does the hated claim have to do with my bard case when his post came before the fakeclaim
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he voted you before you claimed hated miller, why would putting you at l-1 making him in any way scummy
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why did i say miller?
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Him putting me at L-1 isn't the crux of the case, his actual vote was scummy-weak for reasons I've mentioned and so was voting me over Shadoweh
looking at your post i can't even tell why you're voting bt, you say you're sheeping conq because the other people on the wagon aren't worth sheeping? do you find bt scummy independently of conq but can't verbalize a case or something? your post doesn't really make any sense
why is bt a better vote than affinity?
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way2misrep
I was trying to get a better understanding and I asked if it was what I initially thought.IHNN to a lesser extent since I thought what he did post was solid, but man you should have had opinions on my wagon like you said ages ago.
I've had this response to Serela sitting here for like 8 hours now, trying to figure out why the wagon on you even came up.
I was going to just post this now, having forgotten about this tab (oh, the fun of variable load times in speedrunning, and finding out an emulator runs fast, and the epic 106% Super Meat Boy run at AGDQ...I really should post what I have more often), but then taking one last look at the posts surrounding the HW wagon, I can say I finally understand it.
It's an RVS wagon, with very little to understand.
Serela's vote on the HW wagon is completely null since it was literally the first post of the game. More recent stuff doesn't make me want to move my vote.
Conq/HW reads like town v. town slapfight I think, that's the vibe I've gotten from reading that part so many times.
Dormio's posts are exasperating to me, as always >_<
PX keeps slipping my mind. Looking at his posts, especially #63, I don't really see him as scummy.
Affinity is all kinds of weird to me. Will definitely be reading in more detail...after I wake up and watch the MegaMari run at AGDQ tomorrow morning. That has the added advantage of making the first thing I do not try to post in Mafia.
Bard...is it fair to push the playerslot for what Bard did? This is a serious question because I honestly don't know how to deal with this scenario. I don't like the deliberate L-1 vote, though I suppose if no harm was thought to come of it it's ok? Idk, again, not too much experience with someone at L-1 within 6 hours.
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your post doesn't really make any sense
Seconding this and going to sleep.
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Bard replacing out doesn't change his playerslot's alignment, so yeah, Bard's action should still be judged when considering Dorian's alignment.
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why is bt a better vote than affinity?
because conq is voting BT and not affinity but really reading over BT defense and attacks on NNR doesnt make since because -no vote-
For him to be so sucked up into NNR posts i would think he would have found a reason to vote him not find a reason to avoid the vote. So yea i find more reasoning to vote BT over affinity atm
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doesnt make sence
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idk what im doing right now if that isnt apparent, but i think i got my ideas across or something
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Serela's vote on the HW wagon is completely null since it was literally the first post of the game. More recent stuff doesn't make me want to move my vote.
you know you could have explained the more recent stuff that serela posted that made you want to keep your vote there instead of talking in detail about a huhwhat wagon which you eventually just completely dismissed as a rvs wagon anyway
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I missed my chance to make jokes about Bard replacing oout. :< Good job jerks, you ruined it forever. TBH though it's weird that he replaced out for that and not for the death miller, but I don't think as scum he would care if a townie were 'emotionally manipulating him' because of how bias works. Also because it reminds me of the way he reacted to being an Actor in my game so etc. Prob-town.
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Conq: I was voting PX on the basis of PX being considered 'bad' in many people's opinions yet there somehow being a wagon on huh what and nothing on PX. Since I appear to be the only person voting PX now I'm going to assume he posted something ~*~amazing~*~ and my skimming will soon reward me with a solid town read.
PS: Serela seems alright so far
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BT seems to taper off on Conq in his exchange while focusing more and more on NNR (whose posts are easy to criticize) without actually voting or pushing him. I've said how I think Conq had already proven all of BT's original points on him wrong. If you see BT's post here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933427.html#msg933427), not much is done to address Conq anymore. In short I don't see the point of his current vote.
@rawr: I've answered on why I singled out NNR and huhwhat here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933239.html#msg933239). Also, PX is terrible. Blank PX vote was a joke vote.
Why didn't you ask BT the same question? Would like to see the purpose of your questioning. Or are you just echoing the topic?
If Shadoweh's, PX's and IHNN's posts are food for thought, then they are well past the expiry date.
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My posts are like fine wine, they get even more beautiful with age, just like me. And I see that the only thing PX did was vote me and then comment that Bardiche left. PEASANTS I COMMAND YOU TO DROP WHATEVER YOU ARE DOING AND VOTE PX THIS INSTANT. I can clearly see you don't have anything better to do, the votecount is a non-specific mess right now. Vote the lurking scum who is twitterposting and is giving me bad vibes by existing. DO IT. DO IT NOW.
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Shadoweh: What do you think of BT?
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Conq: I was voting PX on the basis of PX being considered 'bad' in many people's opinions yet there somehow being a wagon on huh what and nothing on PX. Since I appear to be the only person voting PX now I'm going to assume he posted something ~*~amazing~*~ and my skimming will soon reward me with a solid town read.
PS: Serela seems alright so far
My posts are like fine wine, they get even more beautiful with age, just like me. And I see that the only thing PX did was vote me and then comment that Bardiche left. PEASANTS I COMMAND YOU TO DROP WHATEVER YOU ARE DOING AND VOTE PX THIS INSTANT. I can clearly see you don't have anything better to do, the votecount is a non-specific mess right now. Vote the lurking scum who is twitterposting and is giving me bad vibes by existing. DO IT. DO IT NOW.
So yeah, Shadoweh's still a thing. I still don't know why you're voting me other than other people should be voting me. That said, you still ignored this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933274.html#msg933274), but I guess I shall explain what I meant by the huh what thing even though I don't even fully understand wtf I was saying myself. Simply huhwhat was reading everything as either black or white, and trying to force everyone else to do so as well, which made me want to both vote and not vote him, so I simply kept my vote on him since that would produce the most effect towards moving the game forward. So, why am I scum?
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PX: What do you think of BT?
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All I remember is that I don't want to read the conversations between you and BT. Guess I'll read those while getting distracted by more AGDQ and be back.
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Ye olde splitting of posts.
It was "labelling my vote as OMGUS" ... Even if I'm wrong in your eyes, how is that a scummy thought process at all?
META WARNING THIS IS BAD
Enough of this crap. I used the aid of meta where you (not "you" specifically) usually use meta on this site to get 90% of your reads. Calling my scumhunting bad for this is dumb and you know it.
The case was about PX so it automatically ignores everyone else doing the same thing as PX?
Yes, HW was basing the vote off PX's meta so it doesn't ignore everyone else.
Why is Conq obligated to react to HW's gambit? How does that make him scummy?
You're making it sound like a chore. I wasn't expecting some sort of specific reaction but I DID expect SOME reaction. Conq ignoring it and then saying "yeah, it turned sour" only after questioned about it is scummy.
Oh look, it's the post I admitted to making while half-asleep.
It's easier to catch scum when they're half-asleep.
Because let's get straight to the point: screw my content, I claimed scan-immune.
Why
I did though.
No you didn't.
I was going to say I dislike Conq but I realized I misread him and he looks better then I actually previously thought. Also his pointing that this isn't not a bastard game and the game has bastard roles does help my claim that I am going to flip scum regardless of what alignment people think I actually am. (I would hope claiming Miller at the start of the game is still standard procedure)
What is the point of this part?
Could use some reasoning for that BT vote, unless you stated it in an earlier post (in which case you should have linked it)
Yep, you "said it", but the tone is all forgiving.
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Fixing the first quote:
It was "labelling my vote as OMGUS"
... Even if I'm wrong in your eyes, how is that a scummy thought process at all?
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null + forced + meta = scum is bad math and worse mafia.
Not ideal reasoning, but it's not like I can read you well so the occasional scumtell is great.
In any case, BT's tenuous reasons for voting Conqueror (bad reasons for voting hw; Conq unvoting hw for bt without words at L-1) seem to have decayed to nothing in their exchange.
Nope.
ignoring the bulk of #102
Just because I didn't reply doesn't mean I ignored it.
His choice of subsidiary suspects irk me as well.
Aside from Conq and NNR there's you. What are you referring to here and what about my choice of suspects irks you?
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Well, I'll take the opportunity to go ahead and link my third party QT from that game (http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/ggcM5FCHtXH) which backs me up
... It really doesn't. What I was referring to is early D1 and you guys didn't seem to post anything then. The earliest things I see is "has done nothing memorable" and "probtown for late push by Shadoweh".
Your statement about my backing off of huhwhat not fitting my wanting to make activity with bandwagons is bollocks precisely because of when I backed off; huhwhat was already at L-1 and there was other stuff going on, so what is keeping my vote there going to do if I don't have anything new to say about him? Hell, how would me not backing off fit what I said earlier about activity? Activity is all about action as opposed to stagnation/inaction, which is what I was doing.
... Well, that logic is sound, but the thought I had in mind was "okay, he's pushing for a counterwagon, wait why is he moving his vote to me and ignoring that". It's like you pushed the wagon to gain something but proceeded to do nothing with it. The fact that you say that the wagon turned sour and whatnot only afterwards is fine and dandy but why didn't you say anything THEN? It's for that reason I think the push was not townie and now you're backing up your mistake.
So take away all this and throw in all my responses to BT and you see that BT's vote on me is smoke and mirrors, but he's dressed it up as something he doesn't think he's wrong about.
That seals the deal. Let's assume that this post did show me that my case was bad. I wouldn't be aware that it was "smoke and mirrors" before then so you're basically accusing me of not realizing it on my own, which I had no reason to. This is awful.
BT has some stuff about NNR and would gladly lynch him but he doesn't want to try for it because of the claim that he thinks is a big part of what makes NNR scummy? This doesn't seem like a townie mindset, especially after you take into account the number of people who expressed dislike of the claim. If BT really thought NNR was scum, he'd make an effort to start the wagon instead of effectively voteparking.
My effort to start the wagon IS the exchange, because yes, it's not going to happen out of thin air if people backpedal because of the claim. And I never said the claim makes him scummy, let alone "a big part" of it.
You're treating the fact I didn't place a vote as if I'm not making an effort. That's a spin.
Lots of gusto despite the paucity of content.
If anything the gutso should show you that I'm not forking around. If I'd been insecure about it you'd just have mentioned that.
*If BT really thought NNR was scum, he'd make an effort to start the wagon instead of effectively voteparking on me, given that even fewer people have expressed interest in lynching me. So him using this reasoning as an excuse not to go for an NNR lynch is disingenuous.
Why would I need an "excuse" not to go for an NNR lynch? If my case is really "smoke and mirrors" why don't I just move to NNR? You're saying things without thinking them through and painting them as scum.
He is basically spinning a bunch of things that aren't scum as scum. Lynch.
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For him to be so sucked up into NNR posts i would think he would have found a reason to vote him not find a reason to avoid the vote.
Have you actually read the exchange? I was repeatedly giving reasons to vote him. What reason would I have to avoid the vote?
Conq: I was voting PX on the basis of PX being considered 'bad' in many people's opinions yet there somehow being a wagon on huh what and nothing on PX. Since I appear to be the only person voting PX now I'm going to assume he posted something ~*~amazing~*~ and my skimming will soon reward me with a solid town read.
PS: Serela seems alright so far
Is PX scummy?
I can actually see scum!rawr; this strikes me as a "scum aren't posting" sort of game and his one scumread was totally unexplained.
Why?
Bard...is it fair to push the playerslot for what Bard did? This is a serious question because I honestly don't know how to deal with this scenario. I don't like the deliberate L-1 vote, though I suppose if no harm was thought to come of it it's ok? Idk, again, not too much experience with someone at L-1 within 6 hours.
No, there's nothing wrong with a L-1 vote.
My posts are like fine wine, they get even more beautiful with age, just like me. And I see that the only thing PX did was vote me and then comment that Bardiche left. PEASANTS I COMMAND YOU TO DROP WHATEVER YOU ARE DOING AND VOTE PX THIS INSTANT. I can clearly see you don't have anything better to do, the votecount is a non-specific mess right now. Vote the lurking scum who is twitterposting and is giving me bad vibes by existing. DO IT. DO IT NOW.
... Why is PX as bad as you make him out to be?
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So yeah, change of plans I'm gonna go to sleep and watch more speedruns tomorrow. But from what I've skimmed through of BT's latest spree of posts, not scum.
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Dormio doesn't like how Dormio's notifications on when new posts appear aren't working properly...
It makes keeping up with the topic very annoying for Dormio!
Just as Dormio thought, Dormio won't be able to get along with that meanie Shadoweh at all!
Nope!
Not one bit!
There isn't a single part of Dormio that can tolerate Shadoweh!
Which is why Dormio absolutely hates doing this...
##Unvote
##Vote NekoNekoRex
Dormio has a quick question for NekoNekoRex that Dormio would like answered very much.
That is to say Dormio is wondering about how in #129 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933465.html#msg933465) NekoNekoRex says that BT is scummy for framing NekoNekoRex's vote as OMGUS.
To be more specific, Dormio is wondering about what NekoNekoRex thinks of Hero999 since Hero999 was actually the one to note NekoNekoRex's vote as OMGUS and BT just adopted Hero999's thoughts.
Dormio also still doesn't like NekoNekoRex's claim but that is just Dormio's thinking for now.
Dormio must say that Dormio does not like PX right now.
Dormio thinks that a lot of PX's posts have been way too emotive for Dormio's liking.
If Dormio may be frank, Dormio gets the feeling that PX is not fully invested into the game...
Dormio gets this feeling from the emotions, anger in particular, that Dormio detects in PX's posts.
Dormio thinks that proper scumhunting is being substituted by these emotions, which are much easier to generate in Dormio's opinion, and this looks scummy to Dormio...
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already fuckin' late to work and my uniform isn't even on why am I posting in mafia
IHNN you say you did that to try to understand me more and then you start talking about other things without commenting on whether it actually affected your opinion of me or not and it's like you aren't actually voting me
except you are
I mean did you forget or something
I would probably word this better if I didn't have to leave FIVE MINUTES AGO but talk to me when I'm back
##Unvote ##Vote IHNN
still okay with Affinity wagon too
HW talking about drrawr being lurkscum when it's barely over a day into the game seems weird (It partially looks worse just because rawr makes a nice post immediately after)
gotta go like holy shit why did I even make this post
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I would probably word this better if I didn't have to leave FIVE MINUTES AGO but talk to me when I'm back
tl;dr I'll explain this better when I'm home because I do not have time
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OK, I'm here, I'm alive and I have no idea why I'm doing this, so lets see what we have here ?
First thing first: Gambits are witchcraft! Burn heretic! Bard overreacted, I don't see HW's ?acting? as scummy as Bard thought it was and the quickness the wagon build up make me doubt that I find scum here. Ergo in dubio pro reo ##Unvote
Now to the miler, I'm personally not so sure that he wouldn?t do it as scum, I even think that I've seen it happen before but that doesn't matter, the claim in itself is null just the same.
But there are other things.
Lets start with his HW case (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933325.html#msg933325):
Huh Whats ?gambit was really retarded?
NNR ?don't like the amount of manipulation and tomfoolery he's been posting?
NNR ?don't like his tunneling PX for doing nothing even after RVS?
I can agree with the first point but that's unfortunately doesn't implicate scum intent and the accusation of tunneling was plain silly at this point. That only leaves the second point but ? manipulations? are only scummy if you see scum intent behind it in the first place, what I will assume here to leave the last bit of substance it had.
And now let me try to summarize his current BT case:
BT's case is based on meta
BT's case is on a Town read (Conq) (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933410.html#msg933410)
I can't help but to get here the impression that he dropped a case based on scum intent in favor of a case based on bad play and the fact that I can't really tell if NNRs next (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933449.html#msg933449) posts (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933465.html#msg933465) are meant to attack BT or to defend himself doesn't help that impression either.
And here comes another point of your case that seems to be the actual main issue you have with BT, that he suspects you based on your claim which is a misrepresentation. Not that his proposal of a policy lynch and his scum read that seems to be based on interaction are that much better but it's clearly two different things and not one as you made it out to be.
My preliminary conclusion:
I think NNRs first vote was already questionable but his current vote just a noisy and half artificial counterattack. ##Vote: NekoNekoRex
Geez, that took me forever and there is even a new page that wasn't there as I started to write this, just wonderful.^^;;
I'll address everything else after a lunch break and some catching up.
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To be more specific, Dormio is wondering about what NekoNekoRex thinks of Hero999 since Hero999 was actually the one to note NekoNekoRex's vote as OMGUS and BT just adopted Hero999's though
I'm aware Hero brought up the claim (as a question, presumably for BT), but BT painted it far worse then Hero, adding that not only is it OMGUS, but that the vote is just a Conq sheep.
I have other stuff coming but I have to read two pages first and this caught my attention.
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Im glad the character I'm grinding can 1 shot the map
Dorian (0):
BT (4): Conq, NekoNekoRex, Affinity, Drrawr
Shadoweh (1): PX
Dormio (0):
PX (1): Shadoweh
Ihavenoname (1): Serela
Affinity (0):
Drrawr (0):
Conq (1): BT
NekoNekoRex (2): Dormio, Dorian
HuhWhat (0):
Hero999 (0):
Serela (3): Hero999, ihavenoname, Huh What
Not Voting: No one
With 13 left Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
~34 hours left
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First off, I think Dorian's case is rather well written, but unfortunately I think it ignores the case of BT himself. Dorian, you don't like my case on BT, but what do you think about BT himself?
I think there is scum intent in BT's accusations. As Conq pointed out, he would have intent to vote me were it not for my claim, despite Conq having no vote support at all. I might even think you're blowing off my case as defense of myself and Conq, rather then an attack on poor scumhunting, which is the case.
Regardless, I do think bad play is paramount to scum intent, since scum cases are much likelier to be flimsy. It's part of my policy to "Lynch All Losers", and it's done pretty well for me in the past.
Now for the main course.
Ye olde splitting of posts.
Enough of this crap. I used the aid of meta where you (not "you" specifically) usually use meta on this site to get 90% of your reads. Calling my scumhunting bad for this is dumb and you know it. I... what?
Yes, HW was basing the vote off PX's meta so it doesn't ignore everyone else. But that was RVS
You're making it sound like a chore. I wasn't expecting some sort of specific reaction but I DID expect SOME reaction. Conq ignoring it and then saying "yeah, it turned sour" only after questioned about it is scummy. Conq wasn't even part of the Gambit. The Gambit was for Bard. A lack of reaction doesn't say anything.
It's easier to catch scum when they're half-asleep. That's a pretty terrible way to go about finding scum. The post was made when I hadn't even read the whole game yet, commenting about RVS.
Why So far I've noticed a lot of bias because of my claim.
No you didn't.Could use some reasoning for that BT vote,
What is the point of this part? "Conq looks town in those posts for :reasons: I won't be bothered to list"
Yep, you "said it", but the tone is all forgiving. [col"or=green]"Whoops you were right but it's still bad because imo the tone"[/color]
... Even if I'm wrong in your eyes, how is that a scummy thought process at all? Misrep makes me look worse then I actually am.
Why would I need an "excuse" not to go for an NNR lynch? Why do you have an excuse? You aren't voting me for my claim, and there's no support for a Conq lynch. You say that you don't want to vote me on lack of support, but the only support you yourself can muster is talking shit about me while voting Conq. This is why I think you're scum.
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To be clear the only meta I've ever been aware I've used is that "Serela waffles a lot, especially in LYLO" and the experience I have playing Mafia with Huhwhat for the last 2 or so years, which I sometimes use to make gut reads on him.
On that note I still don't really like Huhwhat because he's still pretty bent on Bard, but he's at least moved on to Serela which is okay I guess (although I don't get the case on Serela that much). I await his thoughts on Bard's replacement now that he's posted.
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(not "you" specifically)
Somehow missed this part of that sentence, so I guess it wasn't directed at me after all. Still don't know how that helps his case considering he and Conq are still arguing over meta.
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I think the 11th rule is just up there for its health too.
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First off, I think Dorian's case is rather well written, but unfortunately I think it ignores the case of BT himself. Dorian, you don't like my case on BT, but what do you think about BT himself?
I think there is scum intent in BT's accusations. As Conq pointed out, he would have intent to vote me were it not for my claim, despite Conq having no vote support at all. I might even think you're blowing off my case as defense of myself and Conq, rather then an attack on poor scumhunting, which is the case.
Regardless, I do think bad play is paramount to scum intent, since scum cases are much likelier to be flimsy. It's part of my policy to "Lynch All Losers", and it's done pretty well for me in the past.
I have to admit that put the the whole Conq vs BT conflict aside as a town vs town thing, sue me, I wasn't even playing at that point. I guess a reread is in order to clarify things.
However I still think that I understand BTs reasoning so far, maybe aside from his most recent post but that's likely because it's a bloody mess of a quote bacon. I don't agree with most of his points but I see him rather as misguided town that run head first in to the wrong idea than scum, I seen it before and I also recall that I had a similar issue with his ?sudden unvote? as BT had.
I hope that answers your question.
Also your claim would be hardly a obstacle for scum-BT to vote you, to be honest I would expect scum-BT to switch to you instead of continue his tilting at windmills.
Wait, what?
BT (4): Conq, NekoNekoRex, Affinity, BT
Is this correct?
It is now
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IHNN you say you did that to try to understand me more and then you start talking about other things without commenting on whether it actually affected your opinion of me or not
Those message were in in the cuts and I skimmed it because i was so tired because it was 3 in the morning. However, allow me to quote some stuff from my post.
taking one last look at the posts surrounding the HW wagon, I can say I finally understand it.
It's an RVS wagon, with very little to understand.
Where did I say I was trying to understand you, specifically, more Serela?
Serela's vote on the HW wagon is completely null since it was literally the first post of the game. More recent stuff doesn't make me want to move my vote.
Ok, so I didn't go as in-depth as I could. Post #135 is a huge wall of text...that amounts to would not vote Conq/BT, Dormio is hypocritical EXCEPT NOT, a 'lrn2read' aimed at me, I can't read RVS end stuff, EVERYONE IS NULL except Affinity, who is only being silly but not scummy. Net content: fluff/bad PoE scumread. Everything else you did was defend that scumread beyond that until...
I would probably word this better if I didn't have to leave FIVE MINUTES AGO but talk to me when I'm back
##Unvote ##Vote IHNN
To me, this reads as an OMGUS. Not moving my vote.
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I think the 11th rule is just up there for its health too.
Doesn't that rule usually just apply to usernames? It's not like I'd be able to help if it I wanted to get birthday-powered or something.
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I have to admit that put the the whole Conq vs BT conflict aside as a town vs town thing, sue me, I wasn't even playing at that point. I guess a reread is in order to clarify things.
However I still think that I understand BTs reasoning so far, maybe aside from his most recent post but that's likely because it's a bloody mess of a quote bacon. I don't agree with most of his points but I see him rather as misguided town that run head first in to the wrong idea than scum, I seen it before and I also recall that I had a similar issue with his ?sudden unvote? as BT had.
I hope that answers your question.
Also your claim would be hardly a obstacle for scum-BT to vote you, to be honest I would expect scum-BT to switch to you instead of continue his tilting at windmills.
I would agree with this if it weren't all speculation. Frankly it doesn't look misguided because of the earlier stated scum intent. The thing about scum voting regardless of claim works as the reverse for townies. Nobody is going to push a lynch with no support for very long, so why is BT sticking to his guns on Conq?
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I don't want to lynch NNR. We already know what alignment his flip will be, so it provides us with zero wagon analysis that isn't WIFOM. I'm also reading him as town. If he dies, it should be by vig.
People who are terrible:
Hero999: you need to do something
Shadoweh: you need to do something
PX: you need to do something
IHNN: Not as bad as the others but you don't seem to be putting much effort into analyzing stuff while you're around. What about BT and Conq?
Serela: "still okay with the Affinity wagon" you never had a reason to be okay with the Affinity wagon, also rawr posting immediately after my callout making me look worse makes no damn sense when I don't have foresight. IHNN vote isn't horrible but doesn't really impress me, you still had no reads until there was something easy to jump on.
Hero doesn't feel like scum and I at least agree with IHNN's vote. Shadoweh is starting to read scummy to me because she's still holding onto her case from ED1 that was absolutely awful - PX has no control over how people react to him, and for him to draw no attention means that both townies and scum were ignoring him. You might as well call me confirmed town for being put at L-1 that early in the day, or you obvscum because there hasn't been a D1 Shadoweh powerwagon yet.
BT / Conq is really reminding me of that one time I thought I had a case on Conq but is was actually terrible and he thought I was scum BSing. BT looks worse by a small margin (too much conviction on a weak case is scummier than whatever Conq did but it's still not nearly as bad as Conq makes it out to be imo) but I don't really think either is scum. Conq obviously isn't getting lynched today though, so seriously BT, give it up man.
Dorian's post is neutral imo. Could use opinions on non-me and non-NNR and I'm not really big on lynching NNR like I said.
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I am going BACK TO BED but first I'm going to respond to IHNN (also I have work tomorrow but I will be back in the morning and like 3 hours before deadline so it's fine, assuming I figured deadline being around 11pm~midnight east coast time to be right)
Where did I say I was trying to understand you, specifically, more Serela?
I was trying to get a better understanding and I asked if it was what I initially thought.
You then later stated this was definitely a response to me.
Your next response to me takes a quote from your HW wagon analysis and implies it was supposed to be about why you were voting me? ??? Okay well lesse.
who is only being silly but not scummy
I say silly a lot in games, I generally mean silly=weird=questionable. If something in your case is "silly" then that pretty clearly implies saying something is wrong with it, which would be a not-good thing? D: (This isn't a complaint at you as much as just me talking in ways I think are clear but then most people don't get it, which basically is a daily thing for me)
PoE scumread
Uh no not really, not thinking other people are scummy looking yet =/= just picking Affinity for not being them
But that being said, 24 hours into the game I'm not really expecting to have much of a case
I still think Affinity's votes have all been a little weird in some way. But, I digress.
EVERYONE IS NULL except Affinity,
This is also halfway a response to Conq, in that the reason I went into :words: is I figured some people would be pretty >:T about me thinking the majority of people are totally null (Despite th majority of people having 1~2 posts that aren't insignificant)
To me, this reads as an OMGUS. Not moving my vote.
At this point, your reasons for voting me aren't bad. But when I called you out on it, whether your case even still existed or not wasn't clear. That's A Bad Thing(tm), and playing catch up later doesn't really make it better IMO. Especially how you seem to practically retcon your previous post by forgetting part of it, implying part of it was something it clearly wasn't originally, and then not pay attention to the actual reason I voted it. (Granted, I was REALLY UNCLEAR at explaining it before because time.)
Basically, the reason I voted you is because, when I responded to your vote/question to me, you went "Oh, I was just trying to understand you better" and then dropped the subject, which is really ??? because I'm the person you're voting. If it's not clear why this isn't good, it's basically the equivalent of voting someone and making a case on them, and when they respond the person says "Oh, okay." and then keeps their vote there regardless and talks about something else.
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The part right after I quoted your "way2misrep" was in a direct response TO way2misrep, and only that part. I wasn't sure why you didn't want to vote those people, I asked if it was the way I assumed it was, you responded. That was the ONLY part I was trying to get a better idea of what it meant.
Maybe i didn't word it the best but that's what tends to happen when I have a post sitting there for more than 5 minutes, it looks all Frankenstein-y.
So, if I'm clear now, you're voting me because of a misunderstanding?
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So yeah, Shadoweh's still a thing. I still don't know why you're voting me other than other people should be voting me. That said, you still ignored this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933274.html#msg933274),
I clearly didn't ignore it, I noted that your only response was to vote me and basically ignore the rest of the game happening when I wasn't here.
but I guess I shall explain what I meant by the huh what thing even though I don't even fully understand wtf I was saying myself. Simply huhwhat was reading everything as either black or white, and trying to force everyone else to do so as well, which made me want to both vote and not vote him, so I simply kept my vote on him since that would produce the most effect towards moving the game forward. So, why am I scum?
I asked you something simple though, 'what out of doing that makes huh what worth of a vote?' You're just telling me what he did again and making it seem like it's obvious which part is townie and which is scummy, either that or you're saying you had no reason and trying to play off as if that was a good reason and not worthy of a vote on its own merits.
huh what: I am doing something. Vote PX.
Someone asked about BT so will go read back and look
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Gameboards differ from each person who runs one but it personally annoys the piss out of me when people swap Avis midgame.
The deadline is at 8 PM CST so in about 27.5 hours
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##Unvote
##Vote NekoNekoRex
Why do you have an excuse? You aren't voting me for my claim, and there's no support for a Conq lynch. You say that you don't want to vote me on lack of support, but the only support you yourself can muster is talking shit about me while voting Conq. This is why I think you're scum.
You say I'm misrepping you (when I'm not - you pretty much need to thank Conq for your vote) but then you pull something like this. I am not "talking shit" about you, plus I only have one vote. You think I'm scum because you've decided my scumhunting is bad for bad reasons and keep waving my "bad scumhunting" around like some kind of magic wand.
so why is BT sticking to his guns on Conq?
Because he's scum and I actually have more non-meta reasons for you to look at now. But wait, you completely disregarded that post. Despite your vote basing off of my "bad scumhunting".
And TBF I was sure your wagon wasn't going to get support so it'd be a legit waste of time. I was also hoping my last few posts will change ~*~something~*~ but whatever.
BT / Conq is really reminding me of that one time I thought I had a case on Conq but is was actually terrible and he thought I was scum BSing. BT looks worse by a small margin (too much conviction on a weak case is scummier than whatever Conq did but it's still not nearly as bad as Conq makes it out to be imo) but I don't really think either is scum. Conq obviously isn't getting lynched today though, so seriously BT, give it up man.
You didn't answer my question earlier. And really, how is the case 'terrible'?
I don't want to lynch NNR. We already know what alignment his flip will be, so it provides us with zero wagon analysis that isn't WIFOM. I'm also reading him as town. If he dies, it should be by vig.
It's NEVER going to provide us with wagon analysis and he's scum.
Serela: "still okay with the Affinity wagon" you never had a reason to be okay with the Affinity wagon, also rawr posting immediately after my callout making me look worse makes no damn sense when I don't have foresight. IHNN vote isn't horrible but doesn't really impress me, you still had no reads until there was something easy to jump on.
The Affinity vote was okay. And we're not lynching Serela today.
IHNN: Thoughts on other wagons? Why did the Serela vote read as OMGUS?
Shadoweh needs to answer my question. Posting like this does pretty much nothing.
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Oh, Conq keeps asking because BT is the highest wagon right noww, that's a good reason.
If I'm reading this right actually, the entire BT wagon is based on BT vs Conq? And Conq is basically winning because he's cuter faster stronger better?
BT / Conq is really reminding me of that one time I thought I had a case on Conq but is was actually terrible and he thought I was scum BSing. BT looks worse by a small margin (too much conviction on a weak case is scummier than whatever Conq did but it's still not nearly as bad as Conq makes it out to be imo) but I don't really think either is scum. Conq obviously isn't getting lynched today though, so seriously BT, give it up man.
This sounds like a good summation of my thoughts on it actually. It's hard for me to judge eitheer because of how blaringly I would prefer a huge toppling elsewhere, but BT sounds convinced of his points. I don't really think the Neko vote is good though, death miller notwithstanding. I think he is a worse wagon then PX and more likely to be a townie who got caught on the wrong end of an argument.
To answer BT's last questions at me, the first one answers itself in the post he quotes, the second one is a bad question. Why don't you read PX and tell me? I just told you what I think is bad about him. I can see you think he leans town for his post with the vote on me, why? -.- Cut: asking the question like that does nothing either. I would prefer you read what he's been saying and agree he's lurking scum rather then listen to me because I'm telling you he's lurking scum.
Also the wagon on Serela is retarded dumb not smart bad and everyone on it (Including Serela? I assume that's huh what's vote) should feel bad and leave his derpiness alone.
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Hmm.
##Unvote
##Vote: PX
Would take IHNN over Serela right now.
Will respond to BT and other stuff in a bit.
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1. Bardiche Dorian
2. BT
3. Shadoweh
4. Dormio
5. PX
6. Ihavenoname
7. Affinity
8. Drrawr
9. Conq
10. NekoNekoRex
11. HuhWhat
12. Hero999
13. Serela
I supose that's a good start. Although huh whattles has proven he likes to pull weird role shit as scum to confuse people, he did that as a desperation measure and I'm pretty sure he wasn't really worried about being lynched at this point. I don't think he takes stuff personally as scum either so I'm pretty sure he's town. Then again I am a horrible judge of huh what's character
Skimming argument re: meta on Conq and I'm willing to give him a pass for it if only because I've had the exact same frustration as town trying to show people how my meta clearly shows the way I act as scum. From a self-perception standpoint I would never link people to obvious proof from my pov that I'm scum.
As inventive as Neko is I really wouldn't expect him as scum to come out with a Death Miller claim. We could always lynch him for a pick-me-up (100% scum lync gais!) But the arguments that it's a waste of time are true. We literally can't learn from his lynch.
Dormio is cute. As long as he keeps posting like that I will keep him forever. Dormioooooo <3
Serela = pretty Serelaey. I saw one of Conqq's arguments were 'Serela is using too many words to say stuff' when uh, using lots of words isn't the part where he's scummy. At the least he's trying to push more out, which he's not capable of sustaining as scum anyways.
I said my stuff pretty clearly on BT and Bardorian I think. I haven't have a chance to read the other guys yet but I vaguely recall Rawr not actually bothering me so I guess scumteam caught, whoo! (not really but lynch PX and I'll be able to think 100% clearer) (because we'll have a scum flip)
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Not actually sold on town!Serela, but lemme re-read PX. I don't want to lynch NNR or BT.
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##Unvote
##Vote NekoNekoRex
You say I'm misrepping you (when I'm not - you pretty much need to thank Conq for your vote) but then you pull something like this. I am not "talking shit" about you I was referring to your "case" on me, plus I only have one vote. You think I'm scum because you've decided my scumhunting is bad for bad reasons and keep waving my "bad scumhunting" around like some kind of magic wand. I've pointed out the flaws in your case
Because he's scum and I actually have more non-meta reasons for you to look at now. But wait, you completely disregarded that post. Despite your vote basing off of my "bad scumhunting". I put down my two cents on that argument, but I'm not going to respond on behalf of Conq for your responses aimed at him. Also I don't like how you just put your hands in the air and give up on my case on you, waving it off as me spouting buzzwords. It doesn't make you look any batter
And TBF I was sure your wagon wasn't going to get support so it'd be a legit waste of time. I was also hoping my last few posts will change ~*~something~*~ but whatever. Maybe come up with or get on a case that's actually good?? ??
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*I've pointed out the flaws in your case and I'm not going to re-summarize it for you since that would obviously be a waste of time, considering your current opinion on it. Your play is bad, and therefore scummy, and your intent looks scummy enough, so I'm going to keep my vote where it is (alebit I'll have to change it if the wagon continues to fall apart)
I need to reread Serela and IHNN because apparently they're both garnering votes and i can't figure out why.
I can agree that Shadoweh has been pretty much useless this whole day, along with a few other select people (like Rawr and Hero). I need to look at them too and see if they're worth a secondary or tertiary vote.
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I can agree that Shadoweh has been pretty much useless this whole day
I'm really not sure how you can say this after her last couple of very recent posts, especially considering how you're putting her on the same level of Dr.Rawr and Hero.
NNR is useless tier lynch today because whether scum or town he'll flip scum so it's 100% useless on information, and on D1 it's REALLY COOL to have a lynch that tells you something. Vote someone else. I'm not saying we shouldn't lynch him later, but Death Miller is like the worst d1 lynch ever even if it's lying scum.
Need to reread people like PX/Dormio. (Also respond to IHNN again and reevaluate Affinity. This is like, a checklist for me to remember what to do, or something.)
Anyway I'm making dinner and doing rereads after, actual post incoming... at some point before I go to sleep, I don't know. (And BT/Conq are still both not getting lynched. Shadoweh too. Also NNR. Shadoweh's checklist isn't perfect IMO but it's pretty darn close for right now.)
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There's nothing really "objectionable" about the PX lynch; feels like he's trying to convince Shadoweh she's scum and not the town and otherwise he's done shit all. Would take him over BT and NNR. After recent posts I'm settling on Shadoweh not trying to take advantage of silly townies enough to be scum. Meta read but I can usually pin town!Shadoweh pretty well when it's not Eyes so. Her blurbs about Serela don't really convince me, though, how do Serela's posts not match his scum thought process? Similarly, BT, how the hell could you call Serela's Affinity vote "okay"?
Also weirdest thing about NNR is him just handwaving Serela for no reason which makes me think he hasn't even read any of Serela's posts.
RE: BT: Already explained why the meta point is weak, but as for the voteswitch, I think Conq is actually being more productive by switching his vote when the wagon on me can't possibly be pushed any further and he says he's going to judge me based on play. Since then, his posts haven't really been that objectionable. I'm pretty sure "He is basically spinning a bunch of things that aren't scum as scum" is the exact same way Conq felt about you, so yeah.
Scum aren't posting is just because I think most active people are town.
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Vote someone else.
And yes, we're in the last RL day of D1 (or we will be in about an hour, now that Schezo has shown me I was wrong about the deadline) so consolidation will be a thing and it's always better to get started early. Pesco is 100% right that motk takes way too long to decide to lynch. This is why there's so many weird lynches from crazy last-few-hour scrambles.
Scum aren't posting is just because I think most active people are town.
History says "Scum aren't posting" is often pretty true on D1 anyway, with a few meta exceptions like HW/Shadoweh.
Oh right. Dinner. So then I can do that and get to work on trudging through the thread again and stuff.
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... It really doesn't. What I was referring to is early D1 and you guys didn't seem to post anything then. The earliest things I see is "has done nothing memorable" and "probtown for late push by Shadoweh".
If you remember, I voted you that game for not doing anything memorable, which matches up with my comment on you in the QT (esp if you add up the "leaning town" or "do not want to vote today" comments on the other people I provided in the same post, so you were a PoE "do nothing vote", how deja vu). But it should be pretty clear that I wasn't bs'ing my vote on you in that game, which is the relevant part of this conversation. The Shadoweh bit was from D2 when I thought she was scum iirc.
... Well, that logic is sound, but the thought I had in mind was "okay, he's pushing for a counterwagon, wait why is he moving his vote to me and ignoring that". It's like you pushed the wagon to gain something but proceeded to do nothing with it. The fact that you say that the wagon turned sour and whatnot only afterwards is fine and dandy but why didn't you say anything THEN? It's for that reason I think the push was not townie and now you're backing up your mistake.
The reason I said literally nothing about huhwhat when I unvoted is that I didn't actually have a reason to think huhwhat was more town despite all that. >_> It just gave me a feeling, so I wanted to move and think about it later. If I'd tried to put it in words at the time I would have been trying out for Serela's wafflehouse.
That seals the deal. Let's assume that this post did show me that my case was bad. I wouldn't be aware that it was "smoke and mirrors" before then so you're basically accusing me of not realizing it on my own, which I had no reason to. This is awful.
You're basically saying here, "Why don't you know I'm town? How dare you call me scum for doing stuff I wouldn't be aware of as town."
Do you see the problem with this? If you're scum you would have known you were peddling smoke and mirrors. If you're town you were pushing a bad argument. I don't know your alignment beforehand.
My effort to start the wagon IS the exchange, because yes, it's not going to happen out of thin air if people backpedal because of the claim. And I never said the claim makes him scummy, let alone "a big part" of it.
You're treating the fact I didn't place a vote as if I'm not making an effort. That's a spin.
You didn't make an effort before a few posts before this one. Before that it was just potshots about how NNR was ~*so scum*~.
If anything the gutso should show you that I'm not forking around. If I'd been insecure about it you'd just have mentioned that.
Not sure what this means. The point is that you were using strength of words to force through a poor argument (imo). Town can do this sure, but it's a favorite method of scum who use charisma to overcome the fate of being scum.
Why would I need an "excuse" not to go for an NNR lynch? If my case is really "smoke and mirrors" why don't I just move to NNR? You're saying things without thinking them through and painting them as scum.
You realize that's part of why I was voting you, right? The point is that scum!BT doesn't think the NNR lynch will go through, so he makes excuses to keep his vote on me even while presenting stronger arguments for scum!NNR.
He is basically spinning a bunch of things that aren't scum as scum. Lynch.
Feeling's mutual.
But despite that I'm willing to take a step back. Don't feel as strongly about BT scum as before, and I'm willing to sheep Shadoweh and huhwhat on this one.
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In other words, PoR 2.0 vibes, plus I saw some other stuff.
Shadoweh is 100% meta!town, plus I agree with her list basically to the letter. Would firebomb PX/IHNN first though, and I find Affinity fairly town.
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Also weirdest thing about NNR is him just handwaving Serela for no reason which makes me think he hasn't even read any of Serela's posts.
You're wrong about the handwaving part, I didn't mean to handwave anybody, but I haven't really been able to get into depth with Serela.
Serela's posts are kind of hard to read.
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Yeah BT's 'smoke and mirrors' shtick is kind of utterly ridiculous. What impression I get from BT right now is that he's just quoting whatever he sees that is attackable, and attacks without bothering to convince anyone else! It's utterly irritating and a nuisance to town. I also don't get why he switched to NNR *now* instead of much earlier; his subjective qualms (smoke and mirrors!) with Conq has only increased, while his on NNR (that NNR's just calling his scumhunting bad without explaining why) hasn't really changed. Is it just because Dormio showed interest in the NNR wagon? In fact he could easily switch to Shadoweh or whatever now just as well with his quote walls of hate.
Still think his Conq vote before that was a votepark for a long time. Best way to do a votepark as scum is to assume a 1v1 against someone and extending it ad infinitum, after all. Keeping my vote.
As for Dormio, I don't like him skirting around the main conflicts of the day without commenting much on them, such as huhwhat/PX, and BT/Conq, going for ghetto targets (Shadoweh, NNR) with good enough reasons, but not having the range in suspects as a townie should. It's a natural way to avoid attention as scum and yet look contributive.
To all those who want to lynch NNR today, why? With his flip probably cemented as scum something, wouldn't today be as good as a no lynch until LyLO is announced? The point of the day game is to get flips and do analysis on latter days, not to embark on a guessing game with absolutely no benefit until it's too late. Isn't it better to minimize the duration of uncertainty regarding his flip (e.g lynch closer to potential LyLOs) or something?
Serela, IHNN, Hero999, PX, are still bleagh in general. If I had a gun I would shoot them all.
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As for Dormio, I don't like him skirting around the main conflicts of the day without commenting much on them, such as huhwhat/PX, and BT/Conq, going for ghetto targets (Shadoweh, NNR) with good enough reasons, but not having the range in suspects as a townie should. It's a natural way to avoid attention as scum and yet look contributive.
Dormio already said that Dormio doesn't like PX!
Dormio doesn't think BT and Conq are evil...
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IHNN: Not as bad as the others but you don't seem to be putting much effort into analyzing stuff while you're around. What about BT and Conq?
Probably both town as well. Looking at their posts again nothing rings any alarm bells to me.
I need to look at PX some more.
I also completely forgot rawr and Hero were playing in this game, rawr's stuff looks fine but Hero...I'm not sure what to think of him yet.
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Oh Conq you know I am weak to flattery. I probably will never be able to post as much as I did in my mafia heydey, as I have
become an old hag become alot more busy, but I am attempting to say as much as I can think of with what I do. If not doing much means not being involved in multi-page wall quote arguments I can't say I regrett not participating in that.
Gonna go reread Rawr, I saw him post a bunch but people keep saying he didn't post anything useful? Honestly people need to reference their hate more often, less 'this is bad' and more 'this is the reason you're bad'.
ps PX hasn't been posting except to address someone talking about him
This post was made 2 hours ago before my internet cut out so reading quickly on the comments below:
Dormio did indeed comment on disliking PX. Dormio, since you have stated you hate me, what do you think of me now, especially in relation to PX's love for me?
Affinity is stealing my lines about guns and shooting people (100% original content not stolen from anyone do not steal) and other then Serela I can't say I disagree. Serela might be a good shot even if he's town <____< I'm not sure I agree with the 1 vs 1 thing, scum don't really want that because they have to keep the argument going and everyone is scrutinizing what both sides post. Maybe if he'd chosen someone else to 1vs1 with I'd say it was scummy.
IHNN: If you don't know what to think, I can suggest something, look for something about a post of Hero's that you find weird, and just try to write what you find weird about it. At the least it'll tell us what you think, at the most people will lynch you for sounding scummy you might figure out how you feel about him.
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There's not enough information for me to really have a solid opinion on Hero. His first post is "Imma sheep a Serela" and his second is "lolnope vote Serela" (which I hadn't even noticed when I voted for Serela). His 3rd is validating his vote muuuuuch later after being poked about it, and his 4th is quoting a section in response to further poking.
So he's taking a passive approach and what he has isn't exactly substantial.
Yes I'm aware I'm taking a passive approach too but I'm at least doing stuff!
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Im actually kinda leaning town!affinity after reading all his responses
To all those who want to lynch NNR today, why?
because lynching scum today is better then saving it for later i guess
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Im actually kinda leaning town!affinity after reading all his responses
because lynching scum today is better then saving it for later i guess
do you think nnr is scum?
what do you think of px?
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dormio, let's lynch px over nnr imo. px content is literally voteshadowehyousuck and barely anything else.
ihnn, what did you get from looking at px?
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Dorian's post is neutral imo. Could use opinions on non-me and non-NNR and I'm not really big on lynching NNR like I said.
Patience, all in good time.
As I already implied, Conq is town, I may had a issue with his switch to BT but unlike BT were I satisfied with his explanation.
I'm also not interested in Affinity, Dormio nor Shadoweh, haven't seen anything that stood out to me.
PX is unimpressive, he start the game with a vote on the biggest wagon ?to get more stuff for others to talk about? and he keeps it there cause he sees equal reasons to move it and not move it, if I understand his explanation here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933629.html#msg933629).
Then he votes Shadoweh for misrepresenting his reason and that's it so far.
I see a clear lack of scum hunting here even if it's mostly caused by his general lack of presence.
Serela is ? well, surprisingly close to PX level of content regardless of quantity of words and post he made but I think that I've seen at last a bit of scum hunting effort somewhere within this semi-coherent-rambling.
Currently I see PX as the only good alternative to Neko for todays lynch so far and in regard of the information we get from the flip is he likely even the better choice.
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Honestly people need to reference their hate more often, less 'this is bad' and more 'this is the reason you're bad'.
Shadoweh cannot tell Dormio what to do!
Dormio hates it when anyone except lil' sis and big bro tell Dormio what to do!
Dormio hates it even more when the Shadoweh Dormio hates is doing what Dormio hates by telling Dormio what to do!
Dormio did indeed comment on disliking PX. Dormio, since you have stated you hate me, what do you think of me now, especially in relation to PX's love for me?
Dormio thinks that it is very, very important to answer this question!
Even if Dormio sees that it is from the stupid Shadoweh!
Dormio still sees Shadoweh as being scummy, but not as much as PX!
If Dormio were to think of another way to say it...
Dormio hates Shadoweh but Dormio hates PX even more!
And if Dormio wants to explain what Dormio thinks of PX and Shadoweh being together...
Impossible! Dormio thinks that it is absolutely impossible right now!
dormio, let's lynch px over nnr imo. px content is literally voteshadowehyousuck and barely anything else.
Dormio will say again that Dormio hates being told what Dormio should do!
Dormio already knows what Dormio will do so there is no point to telling Dormio what Dormio should be doing because Dormio will already be doing what Dormio thinks is best!
Dormio would also like to say that Dormio sees some behaviour that makes Dormio sad...
Dormio notices that there are some people that say that the NekoNekoRex lynch would mean nothing and that NekoNekoRex should be left alone because of this but Dormio wants to say that many of the people that say this do not give a proper opinion on NekoNekoRex...
That makes Dormio wonder if they are not somehow hiding something...
Because Dormio thinks that only saying that it is meaningless to lynch NekoNekoRex is a way to shift responsibility while leaving the option of helping to lynch NekoNekoRex open...
Unless Dormio is just crazy and cannot think properly...
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What I had before being 403 Forbidden. Yesterday 1 hr later.
Too much meta flying around. Stop mind-fucking each other...or was that the whole point of meta?
Aren't people suppose to find stuff in this specific game for stuff anyways? Looking all the way back then is like...bwuh?
Shadoweh just feels like PX hate all day erryday
PX just feels like Shadoweh hate all day idontcare.
Huh What is out there lookin good~
Conq is making some sense.
BT is iffy.
Dormio is...Dormioin with hints of Dormio.
DrRawr made a post?
Serela is...stuff with AtE?
NNR is just...herpaderpa and stuff...with some millar thingies?
Dorian ish looking pretty good there yah.
IHNN is...what he do again?
Affinity was...something nice looking.
##Unvote
##Vote DrRawr
Hai~
Serela doing celery so like...lost interest.
Getting this out for now and lets see if I can type up a new one.
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@Huh What: I'm flailing :)
I would saying something about the people who talk about NNR not being inventive/devious to scum claim-miller, considering that scum in a 3 man party. But WIFOM.
Shadoweh and Dormio are only connected by these...sensual comments to each other, and it honestly makes me suspicious...
Like distancing only in a more...subtle tense.
Conqueror Vasus BT. Fighto
Conqueror's line of "take a step back" sounds like a result of a compromise, or appeasement in a twisted sense. But feels fine.
While PX is a fine target considering he somehow put less effort than me...I'm somewhat reluctant to go on that wagon.
Do people really find DrRawr memorable or something? Because I can barely remember him posting :\
Shadoweh also goes "bunch of posts" which I suppose she means to voucher for him but I remember seeing and reading only one post or something.
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>Talks multiple times about doing another post
>Passes out instead
:1stworldproblems:
Okay.
So I noticed something else about IHNN. He's basically tunneled me until #213 where he gets questioned about it, and afterwords it's just a few passing mentions on people as either townie or null with a paragraph on Hero that essentially goes nowhere. Still fine with voting him! (As in me voting IHNN)
Hero:Well, IHNN summarized this pretty well. Except IMO he's worse then the passive stance IHNN takes on him.
Well, Hero has posted since then, actually o: The first is a wall of okay/null reads :T I tried to make mine less pointless by being incredibly specific about exactly why I can't get better then a null read on some people, (In retrospect it was still mostly eh filler, but showing thought processes doesn't hurt at least I guess), but Hero is just making a list of backless opinions with 0 elaboration on any of them.
His followup post improves on this slightly until you realize it's fluff. "Shadoweh and Dormio are connected by... sensual comments..." uh what? And I don't even know what Hero is trying to say about Conq v BT. So, do you like Conq now, or do you just mean it feels fine as in it's not scummy, or what? It feels like you're just throwing something out there to have an existing comment on it, but it seems 100% inconsequential.
"PX is a fine target... I don't want to vote him..." ?????????? the two halves of this sentence don't even look like they should be connected. It's like there's a middle piece that is missing.
conclusion:Hero sheeps me and then pulls a 180 almost immediately, cruises through the day, and then makes a post or two of complete fluff. Kill it with fire.
PX:His only non-prod-dodge post since the first 6 hours of the game has been a response to someone voting him, without commenting on anything else in the game. He's actually the most nonexistent person in the game. It's no wonder he's being wagoned.
Affinity is kind of weird but he's nooothing compared to these three. ...oh yeah and Drrawr exists too I guess. His post (And I do mean "post" without an s) is at least okay, though. Not that I wouldn't approve of shooting them all if it was possible, but.
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It's no wonder he's being wagoned.[/quote]
Actually Shadoweh is the only person voting him???
BT has the biggest wagon because he's talking more so it's easier to people to find fault with him. Part of the reason lurkscum d1 works so well; town is much more likely to squabble amoungst eachother as they find fault in the posts that are actually being made.
I agree that scum engaging a 1v1 in this case doesn't look likely because I highly doubt they'd throw themselves into a situation that'd take THIS much effort. BT is like, half of the thread. (In addition to that I don't think he looks scummy before this point, either.)
Happy to lynch either IHNN, Hero, or PX. Personal preference is Hero or IHNN, actually. Dunno why, but really, whichever of them. They're incredibly similar, anyway. IHNN/Hero even both tunneled on me until very recently and then fluffed about the place for opinions on others, making them ridiculously similar. (this is probably also why I find them worse then PX, but PX not posting about anything -entirely- is a different kind of bad)
(Rawr would be on here if there wasn't slightly bigger fish to fry, and Affinity drops off the priority list entirely because he's like an ED1 tier case at this point, which he was)
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Well take a look at who I was suspicious of, and then consider who they are voting.
Does that still not connect in your eyes?
On another note, I was just reminded about the "What they didn't do over what they Did" thing.
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Well take a look at who I was suspicious of, and then consider who they are voting.
Does that still not connect in your eyes?
...you mean, me and me-voting-Affinity/IHNN? ???
Have you suspected anyone else...?
If you have, you've been REALLY unclear about it, unless I'm completely forgetting something. (That's something I do often, so)
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Oh nevermind I'm dumb you said you think they're suspicious right there
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...okay, I looked back now with that piece of info and I still have no idea what you're trying to say, or what it would mean. I think everything I said about you a minute ago still stands. :T
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...I just read your cruising comment on me.
I feel as if I should be offended.
Hero is angry at Celery. No not really.
Shadoweh and Dormio are only connected by these...sensual comments to each other, and it honestly makes me suspicious...
Like distancing only in a more...subtle tense.
^
While PX is a fine target considering he somehow put less effort than me...I'm somewhat reluctant to go on that wagon.
Its probably wrong of me to assume you aren't reading, but that was how I felt when you answered me with your post.
Single-minded Celery :<
God dammit Serela.
...Alright look at who Shadoweh is voting, and Dormio is suspicious of. That is the reason I'm reluctant to jump for joy at PX.
On another note, all you people who seem to be so bent on lynching PX. yet none of you are really following through on it.
As Serela noted only Shadoweh appears to be voting PX so what are your reasons for not voting PX if you people are so willing?
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Hero rises a pretty good question in his last two sentences. Also I'm going to be sad if it's followed by a bunch of unvote vote pxes (Note:There are less then 11 hours left in the day guys!) because with the current game situation I think going after the people more actively being bluh (IHNN) rather then passively being useless (PX) is better.
Although I'm not going to object to a PX lynch, as he does need rope at this point for pretty much ignoring the game.
Also, I now see why Hero doesn't want to vote for PX, but seriously, we shouldn't need to deduce what you're trying to say in your posts :c There's enough detective work in a mafia game already without having to puzzle out what you're trying to simply say to us. When you said you were reluctant to go on PX's wagon, you didn't give the slightest hint as to why.
While that makes your second post's points less total fluff, I'm only a little less wanting your lynch; all that's really changed is that, okay, you DO have a reason for not wanting to get on PX's wagon after all. (So now maybe I have a little bit of a preference to lynch IHNN over Hero?)
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This wooden bow now hates you since it found out you killed a tree to make it
Dorian (0):
BT (3): NekoNekoRex, Affinity, Drrawr
Shadoweh (1): PX
Dormio (0):
PX (2): Shadoweh, Conq
Ihavenoname (1): Serela
Affinity (0):
Drrawr (0):
Conq (0):
NekoNekoRex (3): Dormio, Dorian, BT
HuhWhat (0):
Hero999 (0):
Serela (3): Hero999, ihavenoname, Huh What
Not Voting: No one
With 13 left Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
~10 hours left
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I'm leaving for work in a minute, will be back 1.5-ish hours before deadline. Wagons on BT and NNR need to dissolve immediately, they aren't happening and it is definitely definitely consolidation time.
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##Unvote
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Aside from consolidation, Serela does look better after recent posts.
It's weird to see him keep mentioning consolidation when he himself has a vote on a 1-man wagon, though.
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Bleh, been putting this off since my last post.
As usual the case and votes on me look pretty poor. I've already butted heads with BT who I still assert is scum) and Dorian (who's mostly just speculating), but I don't understand Dormio's vote. His original post came off as a prodvote for me to answer a question. His #220 is hypocritical because he doesn't have a clear opinion on me either, except that he dislikes my claim.
I don't really get Serela, even after reading him. Serela seems to mince words a lot but doesn't have anything clear to say. At the very least he's come up with a list of scumreads, which is okay. There's quite a bit of fluff, though, which makes it a hassle to read him. His last post seems strangely suicidal, considering the fact that he wants my and BT's wagon done with, despite the fact he's the only other player with votes.
I'm not really feeling Serela as a lynch choice, to be honest.
Hmmm, that else..
I've heard a lot of "Shadoweh and PX" are useless, and I've got to say that's pretty much right. I wouldn't be too averse to lynching them. Shadoweh's last post in particular looks like she's just screwing around, and PX is straight up ignoring the game.
Huhwhat's fallen out of favor for me to want to lynch. Just like Serela, I'm not really feeling it.
Affinity's last content post is pretty nice. He has some pretty solid and clear opinions on some of the more questionable players. Wouldn't lynch.
Noname exists but I don't know what to do with him. Same as Rawr.
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So, lets complete the picture even when I'm not really sure what to do with the last three.
IHNN is a clear case of tunnel vision and his exchange with Serela isn't really that enlightening. It would be nice if you summarize your case against Serela cause I stared holes in your posts and still can't see it.
About Rawr I can say, if PX only pretends to play the game then Rawr does not even that. His one and only vote is admitted Sheeped and the only opinion he offers are BT=scum and Affinity=town without the slightest hint of a reason behind it and I would be only too willing to go with HWs lurckscum case if he were not such a complete shot into the dark.
I'm quite glad about Heros most recent post, I was worried for a while that I had to judge his alignment based on the duck picture he posted.^^;;
Kidding aside. He makes a conspiracy theory based on the interaction of Shadoweh and Dormio and use it to clear PX? Seriously?
Well, one last word on the ?WIFOM miler flip? concern before I join the consolidation.
I think a lynch is justified if target has a good chance to be scum regardless of how much information the flip provides. But if this game could use something then it's something solid to work with and therefore ?
##Unvote
##Vote: PX
I think I made my point clear. Any questions?
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going to work will be back later
Serela saying the wagons on BT and NNR have to dissolve and not his own is hilarious, but makes sense in a please-make-other-counterwagons-to-me kind of way. The people noting that PX barely has any votes are getting why I've been annoyed! Just one day, JUST ONE DAY, you are going to LYNCH THE LURKER with me instead of someone in a one vs one fight. HOW IS IT SO HARD TO VOTE PX GOD
Neko, you keep saying Shadoweh is useless without any reference, I do not think it means what you think it means and you are not telling me what the 'useless' is. If it's not satisfying you then what the hell do you want from me?
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so uh everyone disappears within last 10 hours before deadline that's cool i guess
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I'm still here but it's getting late so I guess it wouldn't be for long if it's goes on like this.
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Now approved by the wife
Dorian (0):
BT (3): NekoNekoRex, Affinity, Drrawr
Shadoweh (1): PX
Dormio (0):
PX (4): Shadoweh, Conq, Huh What, Dorian
Ihavenoname (1): Serela
Affinity (0):
Drrawr (0):
Conq (0):
NekoNekoRex (2): Dormio, BT
HuhWhat (0):
Hero999 (0):
Serela (2): Hero999, ihavenoname
Not Voting: No one
With 13 left Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
~4.5 hours left
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Running extremely low on time today. Conq bringing up PoR when he did admittedly gave me second thoughts but I'm barely skimming right now so I'll give his posts a proper second look-through tonight.
Shadoweh is 100% meta!town
Kind of curious about this though.
To answer BT's last questions at me, the first one answers itself in the post he quotes, the second one is a bad question. Why don't you read PX and tell me? I just told you what I think is bad about him. I can see you think he leans town for his post with the vote on me, why? -.- Cut: asking the question like that does nothing either. I would prefer you read what he's been saying and agree he's lurking scum rather then listen to me because I'm telling you he's lurking scum.
Well for starters he's lurkish but you seem really convinced he's lurkscum (emphasis on the scum part) so I asked. I'm townleaning on #77 because it didn't seem like a post scumPX would post but maybe I'm still hinging on AGoM experience.
I guess I was mostly curious about why you're not going in-depth as opposed to last time you were convinced you found lurkscum D1 (Serelapony). It's not like you're lacking in confidence.
As inventive as Neko is I really wouldn't expect him as scum to come out with a Death Miller claim. We could always lynch him for a pick-me-up (100% scum lync gais!) But the arguments that it's a waste of time are true. We literally can't learn from his lynch.
But this is such a bad argument. If he's telling the truth his flip will never help us out and if he's faking we'll never know because :WIFOM:. Look at his play instead.
NNR is useless tier lynch today because whether scum or town he'll flip scum so it's 100% useless on information, and on D1 it's REALLY COOL to have a lynch that tells you something. Vote someone else. I'm not saying we shouldn't lynch him later, but Death Miller is like the worst d1 lynch ever even if it's lying scum.
@___@ That however is really resonable. ##Unvote. But we're totally doing this later when I make a nice slideshow for NNRscum. (if time will allow ever)
Similarly, BT, how the hell could you call Serela's Affinity vote "okay"?
It was a kneejerk thing and I could see exactly where he was coming from (I said so in my first actual post).
Yeah BT's 'smoke and mirrors' shtick is kind of utterly ridiculous. What impression I get from BT right now is that he's just quoting whatever he sees that is attackable, and attacks without bothering to convince anyone else! It's utterly irritating and a nuisance to town. I also don't get why he switched to NNR *now* instead of much earlier; his subjective qualms (smoke and mirrors!) with Conq has only increased, while his on NNR (that NNR's just calling his scumhunting bad without explaining why) hasn't really changed. Is it just because Dormio showed interest in the NNR wagon? In fact he could easily switch to Shadoweh or whatever now just as well with his quote walls of hate.
I dare you to look at my posts and tell me I'm not trying to convince anyone. I also shed as much light on my choice of vote as possible. I'm pretty sure I said I preferred the conq vote at one point but your own take on it doesn't seem to refer to that at all. In fact it seems like you're more fed up by my play than you think it is scummy.
I could see Rawrscum. His original vote on me was lackluster and he checked in today talking about other lynches without even whiffing at his own vote.
Hero posted a bunch of useless but I don't see anything scummy in it.
And yet PX seems like the only choice for a wagon right now. I'm sceptical because it's PX and not any other "guy that is universally considered useless" but whatever.
I literally have to go in 10 and argh.
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And I am not going to be able to do anything else with my vote. Fantastic.
##Vote PX
I expect Shadoweh to shed some more light on this before deadline. Or anyone else who thinks PX is some special kind of useless.
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it's hard to add anything else to the case on px because he literally disappeared. he should have been up for a prod like 12 hours ago. but the tl;dr of it is that he put out a reactionary shadoweh vote in the early stages of the game and then ignored everything else (minus the small post in fake twilight which didnt give much in the way of opinions anyway)
would lynch rawr tomorrow; it doesnt look like he really cares about where his vote really is and he didnt bother to go into detail about bt apart from :sheep: even with all the new info.
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Kind of curious about this though.
I personally think Shadoweh is really easy to read if she, you know, posts.
also schezo, where the fuck are my monopoly updates, this was not a guideline, it was a condition dammit >:(
You'll have to wait until I get a computer. I've been running the game via phone.
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pps im pretty confident that if we lynch the hell out of px/rawr/ihnn we'll get at least 2/3 of the scum. i think that yes, it really could be that easy.
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me 2 conq
what about hero though, his last posts are pretty kaori i think
writing stuff
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I don't think I remember a thing of what Kaori said so uh.
Hero has, like, opinions though, even if they aren't very well explained. Based on past experience he's not the best with words anyway. He's not really a priority for me I think.
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...Alright look at who Shadoweh is voting, and Dormio is suspicious of. That is the reason I'm reluctant to jump for joy at PX.
On another note, all you people who seem to be so bent on lynching PX. yet none of you are really following through on it.
As Serela noted only Shadoweh appears to be voting PX so what are your reasons for not voting PX if you people are so willing?
i mean stuff like this. even if the reasoning isn't excellent it matches up with what he thinks about shadoweh/dormio so at least he's thinking about motivations somewhat.
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just posting some thoughts since i guess my opinions aren't actually that clear at this point
5. PX
unimpressed with px having all of one serious post despite telling us whenever he's off work. if you won't have much time to post in mafia then you use what you little have wisely. shadoweh case doesn't look like he was trying to convince other people so much as just have a suspect; basically more and more comfortable with this lynch as he stays AFK
13. Serela
past few posts are townier but he needed 3 votes and an easy target to jump on before he could produce. don't like "CONSOLIDATION IS GOOD" * leaves vote parked on ihnn * either. still bad but i don't like my company on his wagon and too many people think he's town!serela to consolidate so he goes free today i guess
8. Drrawr
reads the same way he did when he was my scumbuddy in that one game; he's going after people who are already targets and doesn't care much about his own case on affinity. good lynch, nothing to say that hasn't already been said because there's so little to talk about here
12. Hero999
is a lot worse after his recent content, aside from the cute dux. posting a list of every player in the game with zero-analysis one line opinions on them is the epitome of active lurking. can't even tell if he still wants serela lynched or not since he struck out his rawr vote and hasn't been talking about it. i see him asking a lot of questions without trying to find the answers and scumhunt himself, and i'd lynch him for that
1. Bardiche / Dorian
still find bard's ed1 post scummy, and have a nitpick with dorian:
I would be only too willing to go with HWs lurckscum case if he were not such a complete shot into the dark.
seriously? px is lurking and not scumhunting and he's a good lynch to you, but when rawr plays similarly he's a "shot in the dark"? ??? this is a weird-ass double standard
otherwise dorian hasn't posted anything flagrantly bad but i got my eye on you
6. Ihavenoname
if he's town then he needs to stop mentioning how he needs to look at people then barely saying anything about them until it's not relevant. the way he's trying to look into people and interactions makes me think his play is more "weak town" than "scum" though, i don't really see him pushing mislynches or anything. actually better than most people on this list
everyone else ranges from Just OK to Town and i basically agree that firebombing the scummiest active lurkers is likely to find scum this game. not sure what to think about affinity anymore, recent posts have been solid and i don't have anything on him but i could see him as scum anyway. reads like affinity i guess
i would probably swap hero and ihnn on conq's list though. ihnn looks like he's scumhunting only not very thoroughly while hero looks like he's hunting for weird things to point out and not scum and this is worse imo
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mmm, re: hero in the thing i quoted it'd just be weird that if px is scum he'd do the dance around the px wagon while goading other people to vote px themselves. seems like counterproductive scumplay and more like someone trying to figure out what the heck is going on with that wagon
that said, I'm getting ahead of myself here.
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that said, I'm getting ahead of myself here.
are you scum bussing :colbert:
that's actually a good point but i was thinking about them all individually anyway
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i think that if nnr is scum he's probably a scum traitor
his play isn't that bad though
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are you scum bussing :colbert:
is it weird that the first answer that popped up in my mind was "yes?"
that's actually a good point but i was thinking about them all individually anyway
fair point. i was going to say something about being able to detect scum!hero but i realized i've never played in a game with scum!hero. also, i just checked sgm and kaori actually posted detailed cases and stuff so i dunno, doesn't really seem the same. i gut town on him but in the context of the game i guess he'd be one of my scummier null reads.
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fair point. i was going to say something about being able to detect scum!hero but i realized i've never played in a game with scum!hero.
Diablo Mafia
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Dormio has gotten up and would like to say that Dormio is going to switch to PX if Dormio needs to before the day ends!
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Diablo Mafia
oh, right.
okay, i reread and i see what you mean (plus judging from that game it looks like i just always read him as town anyway).
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Have no qualms with any of the viable lynches today (other than NNR) and will switch when needed.
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1. Bardiche / Dorian
still find bard's ed1 post scummy, and have a nitpick with dorian:
I would be only too willing to go with HWs lurckscum case if he were not such a complete shot into the dark.
seriously? px is lurking and not scumhunting and he's a good lynch to you, but when rawr plays similarly he's a "shot in the dark"? ??? this is a weird-ass double standard
They are both ?shots into the dark? indeed, but I prefer PX for two reasons.
First support, there were a lot who called Rawr useless but there were no one aside from you who declared willingness to actually lynch him, so I picked the alternative lynch that's more likely to happen.
Second information, PX flip will for an instance put some light on your counterwagon theory, Rawrs flip on the other hand tells us not much more then his alignment.
Still double standard?
otherwise dorian hasn't posted anything flagrantly bad but i got my eye on you
And I wouldn't want to have it any other way, cause so I can be sure that at last one actually read my post.^^
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alright, that makes sense. i thought you meant in general terms rather than just "who is the better lynch for today, Day 1 of this game of motk mafia"
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I'm busy GameMastering with my weekly role playan game right but I'll try to read what I can between player actions
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Well you guys got me on the lurking part cant really make up for that
PX hasn't been posting except to address someone talking about him
i dont understand, are you interrupting this as a scum thing? else NNR/IHNN would also be guilty of this.
8. Drrawr
reads the same way he did when he was my scumbuddy in that one game; he's going after people who are already targets and doesn't care much about his own case on affinity. good lynch, nothing to say that hasn't already been said because there's so little to talk about here
I cant really recall what happened but what ever i guess i wont try to deny it
do you think nnr is scum?
what do you think of px?
NNR- id probably vote him if he became wagon. Being overly defensive of BT case on him doesnt really absolve him of actually scum huinting
PX- since hes the main wagon for the day ill just move my vote over, hes no better then me which i guess is a bad thing :V
my other thoughts....
Affinity- i probably skipped over most of his posts at some point which lead me to think he went off and did some weird things and no one noticed, @Dorian its not that i didnt have a reason for switching over my read of him its just a mybad on my part for missing posts and such.
Also yea i did really feel like sheeping conqs case on BT i really enjoyed reading it. Im also hoping people didnt unvote him because :words: but ill probably have to read it at some point over the night phase
ill make another post because no idea when the dead line is
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catching up so this might be outdated but will answer as i go:
I guess I was mostly curious about why you're not going in-depth as opposed to last time you were convinced you found lurkscum D1 (Serelapony). It's not like you're lacking in confidence.
I really hate to give levels of confidence because it seems like waffling, but my case on Serelapony was much better because I was more confident in it AND because Serela had given me more to work with. Part of the benefit of lurking is leaving out anything to accuse a person of. Considering what he's posted I -have- gone in depth to PX's posts. That's it. That's all there is to them. That's why they're bad.
But this is such a bad argument. If he's telling the truth his flip will never help us out and if he's faking we'll never know because :WIFOM:. Look at his play instead.
It would be a bad argument to make forever but it's good enough for right now. Serela basically said the same thing as me but clearer you know -.- Maybe if you're lucky Santa Vig will give you a present.
Conq and huh what I demand you stop being so chummy and start yelling at each other, it is creeping me out. About Hero as scum: From both Diablo and Sword Girls I think it's obvious that Hero as scum posts for the lols. Actually it was more like posting as little as possible while screaming DON'T LOOK AT ME! tbh just skimming his posts a little twinge my gut.
Hero: Can you make a post just stating your suspects and why you suspect them, citing posts you dislike and why? I've seen you repeat questions a little but I'm not seeing any proof they're going anywhere. You're still gonna be alive tomorrow so you might as well start writing now.
cut: It's a scum thing when it's literally the only posts he's made. Even NNR and IHNN have taken pot shots at more then one person.
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we got an hour and a half left.
question for affinity, how would you prioritize the players you want to firebomb?
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Time to take this legendary Imperial Seal to the Item World
Dorian (0):
BT (3): NekoNekoRex, Affinity, Drrawr
Shadoweh (1): PX
Dormio (0):
PX (5): Shadoweh, Conq, Huh What, Dorian, BT L-2
Ihavenoname (1): Serela
Affinity (0):
Drrawr (0):
Conq (0):
NekoNekoRex (1): Dormio
HuhWhat (0):
Hero999 (0):
Serela (2): Hero999, ihavenoname
Not Voting: No one
PX is at L-2
With 13 left Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
~1.4 hours left
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we all know the next person to vote px hes going to self hammer
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He hasn't even posted to claim. >:T
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@huhwhat: BT PX Hero Serela rawr IHNN, from left to right, though such an ordering seems largely meaningless. Dormio could be looked over more thoroughly as well as he seemed to ignore quite a bit of the important conflicts in D1, for all his decent activity and posting.
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Dormio has gotten up and would like to say that Dormio is going to switch to PX if Dormio needs to before the day ends!
still waiting on that reason why you voted me in the first place
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Since BT isn't going to happen I'm fine with switching to PX. I'll do it right now even, if it helps.
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well he hasn't claimed with like an hour to go
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Guess I'll switch, then
##Unvote
##Vote: PX
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Back from work
For everyone mentioning how I talk about consolidation and have my vote on a 1-vote person; IMO, it seemed really clear that all of the current wagons were not going to go through. From my memory, there was enough people against all of them that it seemed highly unlikely they'd go to lynch. However, the ones I DID approve of (And seemed to be a general opinion of who to lynch, as well... at least on some degree :T) were 0 votes, 0 votes, and 2 votes. So, leaving it as 0/1/2 seemed fine.
Erm, I don't think there's anything else to say, at this point. Fine with switching to PX, etc. I'm kind of sad we're lynching someone who literally hasn't posted (apart from prod-dodges) since 6 hours into the game apart from responding to someone's vote on him (Because there won't be a lot to analyze), but it seems pretty likely at this point he's scum, so sure. Also agree with the several people saying that lynching through the questionable lurkers will probably catch 2/3 scum.
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You can't abuse prinnies in a video game! It's animal cruelty and I'll sue ya dood!
Dorian (0):
BT (2): Affinity, Drrawr
Shadoweh (1): PX
Dormio (0):
PX (6): Shadoweh, Conq, Huh What, Dorian, BT, NekoNekoRex L-1
Ihavenoname (1): Serela
Affinity (0):
Drrawr (0):
Conq (0):
NekoNekoRex (1): Dormio
HuhWhat (0):
Hero999 (0):
Serela (2): Hero999, ihavenoname
Not Voting: No one
PX is at L-1
With 13 left Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
~1 hour left
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Dormio wants everyone to wait one moment!
Dormio will try to say what Dormio wants to say really fast!
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Dormio could be looked over more thoroughly as well as he seemed to ignore quite a bit of the important conflicts in D1, for all his decent activity and posting.
Dormio is wondering what Dormio ignored...
Dormio wants to ask if Affinity is talking about how Affinity thought that Dormio didn't comment on Huh What, PX, Conq, and BT...
Because Dormio was actually asked much earlier by Huh What about what Dormio thought about Huh What and Bardiche and Dormio said that Dormio didn't agree with Huh What's Bardiche case but that Dormio also didn't think that Huh What was evil...
And Dormio also said that Dormio didn't like PX quite some time ago as well...
Dormio didn't actually make a specific comment about Conq and BT, but Dormio made a post after Affinity commented that Dormio wished that both of them were Dormio's friends!
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Dormio wishes that NekoNekoRex would just curl up and die for a lot of reasons!
Firstly Dormio doesn't like NekoNekoRex's claim but Dormio knows that Dormio cannot use this as a proper reason to want NekoNekoRex to die a horrible death!
So instead Dormio will point out how NekoNekoRex was just reporting a lot of null reads in NekoNekoRex's first substantial post!
As for the non-null read Dormio saw in that post, Dormio thinks that NekoNekoRex was bandwagoning!
Dormio wants to ask what NekoNekoRex thinks about Huh What right now...
Dormio also wants to ask why NekoNekoRex thought that BT was worse than Huh What to NekoNekoRex...
Dormio also just does not like NekoNekoRex!
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Dormio is p. obvtown and I mean that in the most will-not-change-my-mind-on-Day-5 way.
It's possible PX is flaking town actually, I'm not going to make any bets until the flip happens.
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========[] whenever Dormio finishes
dormio please dont go all chocola on us
if px is somehow town then he deliberately ignored the wagon on him and the rest of the game despite being online, so uh. if px were town i'd expect him to like post in the thread and get mad at people?
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Dormio is done for now!
Dormio can also hammer whenever Dormio feels like it but Dormio would like to wait for possible responses to Dormio's post!
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Yeah, the way PX responded to Conq but still didn't mention the rest of the game, kept saying when he was/wasn't here but never actually posting after, and otherwise continued to not post despite a growing wagon on himself, um
I'unno, I think PX would be doing SOMETHING if he was town D: He probably could have sidestepped the wagon on himself actually taking off when Hero/IHNN/Rawr were totally legitimate wagon possibilities, if he had made a decent post before everyone started consolidating on him.
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re: dormio i think you just don't like nnr's posting style
also is it just me or does motk load really slowly
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also is it just me or does motk load really slowly
Dormio was also wondering if there was a problem with Dormio's connection!
Dormio was worried that Dormio might not have been able to post a while ago!
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i'm not sure what we're waiting for
we got <20 minutes. even if px came out with a super amazing claim we wouldn't have time to switch wagons and that'd be scummy in its own right since him taking this long to claim it would imply he wants deadline panic. flip won't change answers to dormio's questions either
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re: dormio i think you just don't like nnr's posting style
Tthis is kind of how I feel, especially uh after The Mafia With The Slapfightt <.< 30 pages of wall posts
I kind of would too, but the silence probably means he's at work, but god damnit he's had time to say -something- by now.
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Dormio wishes that NekoNekoRex would just curl up and die for a lot of reasons!
Firstly Dormio doesn't like NekoNekoRex's claim but Dormio knows that Dormio cannot use this as a proper reason to want NekoNekoRex to die a horrible death!
So instead Dormio will point out how NekoNekoRex was just reporting a lot of null reads in NekoNekoRex's first substantial post!
As for the non-null read Dormio saw in that post, Dormio thinks that NekoNekoRex was bandwagoning!
Dormio wants to ask what NekoNekoRex thinks about Huh What right now...
Dormio also wants to ask why NekoNekoRex thought that BT was worse than Huh What to NekoNekoRex...
Dormio also just does not like NekoNekoRex!
It's the first day in a game where half the players aren't even posting that much. I can't be expected to have a definitive town read or scum read on everyone.
I didn't like Huhwhat at the start of the day but he's been looking a lot more like town as the day has gone on, so he's pretty far back on my priority list for people I'd willingly lynch.
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Any complaint with me hammering? Since deadlines are a thing
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The Meowkin Pirates are the bane of existence
Dorian (0):
BT (2): Affinity, Drrawr
Shadoweh (1): PX
Dormio (0):
PX (6): Shadoweh, Conq, Huh What, Dorian, BT, NekoNekoRex L-1
Ihavenoname (1): Serela
Affinity (0):
Drrawr (0):
Conq (0):
NekoNekoRex (1): Dormio
HuhWhat (0):
Hero999 (0):
Serela (2): Hero999, ihavenoname
Not Voting: No one
PX is at L-1
With 13 left Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
13 Minutes left~
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Not exactly easy to come up with an original reason to vote PX either, considering his content. I'd rather we have a lynch rather then no lynch at all in any case.
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10 minutes by my count, don't see the point in stalling.
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Dormio guesses Dormio will do this then...
##Unvote
##Vote PX
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Dorian (0):
BT (2): Affinity, Drrawr
Shadoweh (1): PX
Dormio (0):
PX (6): Shadoweh, Conq, Huh What, Dorian, BT, NekoNekoRex, Dormio (Deported)
Ihavenoname (1): Serela
Affinity (0):
Drrawr (0):
Conq (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
HuhWhat (0):
Hero999 (0):
Serela (2): Hero999, ihavenoname
Not Voting: No one
Yep. We've decided slappy. Main Characters can't have glasses! (the fool) So it's time to have the prinnies carry you back to whatever netherworld we took you out of. Uh, good luck.
PX, playing Master Mao the Vanilla Townie has been lynched day 1
It is now night 1. You have 24 hours to send me your night actions. If you aren't taking any PM me anyway.
And no talking at night, you have a home to sleep in.
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"THAT'S IT!
I can't take it. How do you people get through the day without having at least 2 dozen prinnies waiting on you? I'm out."
And with that Serela, playing Beauty Queen Etna the Vanilla Townie left the game.
That's not all dood!
Almaz, you have been called away for emergency overlord duties. You were instated 5 minutes ago and it's time for you go return home to kidnap princesses or whatever it is you overlord people do.
Conqueror playing Almaz the Town Blacksmith was prematurely deported.
So. With 10 alive it take 6 people to lynch.
You have 72 hours.
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##Vote: Dormio Dormio spent the whole day with a vote down and couldn't come up with a clear reason for it until ten minutes before the lynch.
I'd like to vote BT, but at least he's been tryharding. Dormio doesn't even get that privledge.
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Dormio wonders if that is supposed to make Dormio laugh.
Because Dormio is laughing right now.
Dormio has not changed Dormio's opinion that Dormio wants NekoNekoRex dead!
##Vote NekoNekoRex
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Dormio is probably town. Wanna join a TOWN VOTING BLOCK?
Re-read inc. in a few.
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Dormio is probably town. Wanna join a TOWN VOTING BLOCK?
Re-read inc. in a few.
Nope, not seeing it. Care to explain?
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I'm actually questioning my read now that I'm re-reading so uh ask shadowmeh
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Conq and huh what I demand you stop being so chummy and start yelling at each other, it is creeping me out.
Shadoweh I wouldn't buddy up to Conq as scum when I could just shoot him overnight and be done with it. wait, fuck
##Vote: Hero999
Spent more time asking questions than scumhunting. Did nothing but park his vote on Serela all day yesterday. Cheerled PX lynch but didn't ever have a concrete opinion on the wagon, or on anything else, really. Lynch this badmans.
Nothing has changed about rawr being a good lynch. IHNN looks more viable from Serela flip, but still reads more like weak town than scum for D1's reasons. Of the Serela voters Hero is a lot scummier.
Don't like Affinity chastising me for dropping PX after his ED1 post but saying nothing about PX specifically for the rest of the day. Could read this as distancing from an "easy" mislynch wagon since Affinity seemed to find PX reportery early on. Explain? This is in line with the Baseless Conjecture below, too.
Dormio... is actually not as townie as I remember! D1 I thought his content was reasonable but I found myself nodding along with Affinity's comments on him when re-reading. Yeah, you gave opinions on people you weren't pushing, but only when asked, so using that as a defense is sleazy imo.
Ultimately though I think Hero is the best lynch for being so ~blatantly bad~.
Baseless Conjecture: PX reminds me of Prinny lynch from Mafia History and Feferi-Hero lynch from Imp. He was such an easy target that town would easily pile on him at deadline for a lynch, so I think that scum would want to stay off him to avoid the inevitable wagon analysis (with jumping on him for consolidation still being fair game because it's something people aren't held accountable for). Don't find Shadoweh scummy either, Dorian isn't great but at least took the first step in consolidating when he could've easily just stuck to NNR.
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look at all these gray name bars
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Well, that outcome were kind of ? disappointing, I read everyone on the PX wagon in isolation and I haven't found much new information.
Can't say that I'm too fond of Shadowehs last minute distancing from the lynch she was pushing the whole day nor that's Dormios opinions on the days main event (Conq vs BT) were limited to a ?Dormio doesn't think BT and Conq are evil... ?.
I think that I'll watch them closer from now on but that's not my main concern at the moment.
My opinion about BT has not changed, I still don't think he's scum.
So I'm back where I started ##Vote: NekoNekoRex
Your attempt to put my case aside as ?speculation? doesn't change the fact that your BT case were based half on bad play and half on misrepresentation nor can I say that I'm really impressed by your new case.
So, that's all for now.
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look at all these gray name bars
I beg your pardon?
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Gray name bars = people are offline (look at the top left of somebody's post, if they're online and not logged in anonymously it'll be green instead of gray)
im just bored even though it's only been 3 hours
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I see, if that's the case than what do you think about the fact that we lost two townnys last night instead of one?
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serela was probably hit by a vig or sk
there's nothing to really speculate about beyond that
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Dear vigilante who shot Serela instead of Hero or Rawr (you both can't have been the vig): I know it was Serela but god damnit! Also if you actually shot Conq please eat the barrel of your gun. I have more to ##Bitch about but I kind of feel in a better mood after getting home. Even if PX was town.
Huh what: Everytime people have talked about wagons not mattering it has been decidedly untrue with the exception of last-minute quickwagons, which that was not. I have a kind-of odd question for you: Did you think PX not coming in to claim was scummy? I didn't see you express any doubts or certainties either way.
Dorian: I found the certainty people suddenly had that it was 100% a scum lynch to be more disturbing tbh, but both Conq and Serela died so etc. You should be more worried if I'm suddenly confident in everything I do. >_> You said you didn't find any new information, but you know those comments about me and Dormio are 'new' to you, so don't give up on reading. What do you think of huh what?
Neko: Did you know that people voting you isn't actually a scumtell? Do you honestly think Dormio is scummier then [insert person here] or are you really going to keep voting him just because he's attacking you?
Also rethinking BT because Conq died right after posting hueg case but could have died due to being Conq we'll see.
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I have a kind-of odd question for you: Did you think PX not coming in to claim was scummy? I didn't see you express any doubts or certainties either way.
we got <20 minutes. even if px came out with a super amazing claim we wouldn't have time to switch wagons and that'd be scummy in its own right since him taking this long to claim it would imply he wants deadline panic. flip won't change answers to dormio's questions either
this basically means yes
i thought that if px was town he would've come in to rage at us all for voting on such a stupid wagon because that's what he does when he gets pushed like this as town
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also i dunno where you're getting "people are 100% sure px is scum" from that was really just you and conq
i thought he was scummy but i never really let my expectations for d1 lynches get too high and there wasn't overconfidence in my posts
can't speak for dorian but he didn't seem that certain either, he just said that px had a good chance of flipping scum and for a d1 lynch i agreed with that
everyone else was just consolidating. it's weird that you'd turn around from "yeah px is totally the scums" to "i'm not sure about this guys, why is everybody so confident????"
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jerk server won't let me iso her but that shadoweh day opener is bugging me on gut
my post wasn't saying "the wagon doesn't matter", more like "here is where i think the scum would be in the votals based on the context of the wagon" which is a form of wagon analysis. you're brushing away my thoughts because of the conclusion, not the logic that got me there. i don't like the confidence remark either for reasons in above post
the rest of her play has read like town!shadoweh but that post is the kind of weird shallow-pseudo-protown-logic that reminds me of coldcrow. i actually don't know how to put this.
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Dormio wonders if Dorian G. is hungry...
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what do you think of shadoweh, or hero, or anything
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Dormio is getting to that!
Don't rush Dormio!
Dormio will do things when Dormio feels like it!
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Dormio feels the need to say that Dormio really thinks that NekoNekoRex should die!
Dormio is also wondering how hungry Dorian G. is...
Dormio absolutely, positively hates Shadoweh!
But Dormio thinks that it would be fun to keep Shadoweh around!
Maybe Dormio can turn Shadoweh into Dormio's pet...
Dormio agrees that Hero999 is very bad!
Dormio agrees with what Huh What says but Dormio is a little apprehensive because Dormio never likes lynching lurkers unless Dormio absolutely has to...
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@ Shadoweh: I was just hopping to get more out of reading six player in isolation.^^;
However, I think HW is likely town, at last my read haven't shown me anything that indicates scum so far.
can't speak for dorian but he didn't seem that certain either, he just said that px had a good chance of flipping scum and for a d1 lynch i agreed with that
As I said before PX was ?a shot into the dark? also the lowest common denominator if I'm not mistaken, so yes, that's correct.
Dormio wonders if Dorian G. is hungry...
Oh! Is that so?
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Go Dormio! You tell him!
Then die for me because :
@Dorian: Birds? what birds?
@Huh what: So...you chose me over DrRawr because...I'm actually here to be looked at? Kay.
NNR is too focused on defending and attacking aggressors. Scum! - right?
Oh but Dormio and Shadoweh dont likey him so therefore Town! - right?
Oh but but but but...;conspiracy;
Dormio and Shadoweh are bussing NNR.
##Vote DrRawr
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Oh! Is that so?
Dormio is just wondering...
Dormio would also like to tell Dorian that cats are absolutely delicious! Dormio guarantees it!
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Dormio is just wondering...
Dormio would also like to tell Dorian that cats are absolutely delicious! Dormio guarantees it!
I certain Yan-Yan would like to have a word with you.
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Dormio is just wondering...
Dormio would also like to tell Dorian that cats are absolutely delicious! Dormio guarantees it!
Now I have to wonder, could it be that you felt kinda ? generous last night?
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Neko: Did you know that people voting you isn't actually a scumtell? Do you honestly think Dormio is scummier then [insert person here] or are you really going to keep voting him just because he's attacking you?
BT wasn't voting me half the day, and I was voting him over his case on Conq. In fact, I voted BT for voting Conq over me, considering Conq was never a viable lynch to begin with.
Dorian, I don't see how you can blow off bad play and misrepresentation as "not scummy". Apparently we live in an ass-backwards universe where scumhunting=bad and not scumhunting/bad scumhunting=townie?
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Now I have to wonder, could it be that you felt kinda ? generous last night?
Dormio loves the spirit of giving!
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Dorian, I don't see how you can blow off bad play and misrepresentation as "not scummy". Apparently we live in an ass-backwards universe where scumhunting=bad and not scumhunting/bad scumhunting=townie?
Dormio would talk about what Dormio thinks about intent and play and the differences between the two but Dormio is slightly busy right now!
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Dorian, I don't see how you can blow off bad play and misrepresentation as "not scummy". Apparently we live in an ass-backwards universe where scumhunting=bad and not scumhunting/bad scumhunting=townie?
OK first, bad play =/= scum play, town is as able to bad cases as scum is ale to make good cases. Using bad play as scum tell is at best lazy/naif which makes is bad play in itself and that's scummy according it's own definition.
And second:
... And here comes another point of your case that seems to be the actual main issue you have with BT, that he suspects you based on your claim which is a misrepresentation. Not that his proposal of a policy lynch and his scum read that seems to be based on interaction are that much better but it's clearly two different things and not one as you made it out to be. ...
You clearly misrepresented him to make your case appear more weighty than it was.
Anyway, let's try to handle this differently. Care for any last words or a claim, for the off chance that you are actually town?
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And now he's gone, wonderful! That's what you get when you lose track of time and timezones.^^;;
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he's still on various messengers, just not the forums
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And what do you think how likely it is that he comes back again anytime soon?
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Shrug
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Then it has to wait, the outcome will be the same nonetheless.
Good night
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super quick post
intermittent issues I haven't been able to read anything
Will reply to whatever when I can actually read it
huh what you can clearly see I wasn't sure at the end and to follow up the question, what benefit did PX not posting anything have if he was scum? Especially not claiming and causing a wagon shift?
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You want some cheese with that whine?
Dorian (0):
BT (0):
Shadoweh (0):
Dormio (1): NekoNekoRex
Ihavenoname (0):
Affinity (0):
Drrawr (1): Hero999
NekoNekoRex (2): Dormio, Dorian
HuhWhat (0):
Hero999 (1): Huh What
Not Voting: BT, Shadoweh, IHNN, Affinity, Drrawr
With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.
About 64 hours left.
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huh what you can clearly see I wasn't sure at the end and to follow up the question, what benefit did PX not posting anything have if he was scum? Especially not claiming and causing a wagon shift?
i figured he was at work during the most ideal times to claim and basically went "fuck it" when it was too close to deadline for anything to happen
scum don't really always do things that benefit them, i basically did the exact same as scum in msr (except replace work with being generally busy) so i figured it was like that
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So, why are we voting NNR right now? Every time I look to see I still don't quite get it. Really, it's puzzling me. Either way, sorry for not being around at the end of the day yesterday, it was my little brothers birthday and I was unable to post in the thread until after the day had ended. Lately it seems like PX is a bit of a lynch magnet.
Anyways, Dorian, Dormio, what are you going on about?
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Looks like I missed it by that much >_> Going to write some more stuff then.
I guess I should look at NNR some more. BT still looks pretty town, and rawr's stuff, when he actually posted, was pretty decent D1 IMO. Hero is lurky and mostly insufficient as far as I can tell. I looked up "duck Disgaea" because the bird/duck pictures piqued my curiosity and found a few complaints about duck pirates not appearing. Affinity's D1 still looks weird I guess, though less so in hindsight.
Shadoweh and HW are really obvtown right now, Dorian and Dormio both look town at first glance but it's a really weird sort of town I guess.
So right now I think my lynching priorities would be NNR/Hero>Affinity/rawr. We'll see which I think is scummier after looking deeper.
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I hate you too, MoTK posting system :V
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##Vote:Shadoweh
If were all already blaming people for doing 1 thing with there vote all of day 1 right now.....
Your only scum ream all of dayq1 was PX and not to mention thats what youve been pushing for people to do alot. Then it seems day2 you seem to be avoiding giving off any reads of people being completely neutral of everyone you mentioned in your posts.
I guess scumteam caught, whoo! (not really but lynch PX and I'll be able to think 100% clearer) (because we'll have a scum flip)
I shall demand things
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tbh i dont think any of my posts make that much sense
NNR/Hero>Affinity/rawr.
is this you thinking these people are scum together?
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is this you thinking these people are scum together?
It's tied for placement, so for now NNR or Hero, failing that you or Affinity I'd be ok with right now.
I have *things* to do tomorrow but I'll be checking in then, in the meantime I need sleep.
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Go Dormio! You tell him!
Then die for me because :\[/s]
@Dorian: Birds? what birds?
@Huh what: So...you chose me over DrRawr because...I'm actually here to be looked at? Kay.
NNR is too focused on defending and attacking aggressors. Scum! - right?
Oh but Dormio and Shadoweh dont likey him so therefore Town! - right?
Oh but but but but...;conspiracy;
Dormio and Shadoweh are bussing NNR.
##Vote DrRawr
What the hell does any of this mean. :| Hero, I haven't said anything about voting Neko, and your 'reason' for hating Neko is related to the question I asked him. Dormio and I are cute but we're not a couple (unless he's finally willing to submit at my feet like the dog he is) so why do you keep shipping us together? What does -any- of that have to do with voting Rawr?
Rawr: I'm gatheering information. I'm not actually trying to avoid giving off any reads, rather I'm making them again through questioning. By 'that's what you've been pushing for people to do alot' you mean that I wanted people to lynch PX, that is correct, I thought he was being lurking scum. I was doubting it at the end of the day when it became clear he was just not coming back.
IHNN: We're not. Do you want to vote or not vote NekoNekoRex? I just realized you put him at the top of your lynching priorities for literally no reason, what the hell dude?
Also, BT hasn't posted yet has he? How is he still looking town?
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Anyways, Dorian, Dormio, what are you going on about?
It is Dormio's little secret!
Dormio is very excited though!
Dormio will not waste words about how Dormio thinks that DrRawr, I Have No Name, and Hero999 need to post more...
Instead Dormio will talk about things that Dormio thinks are far more interesting!
Dormio doesn't see anything very wrong with what Dormio sees Huh What posting...
Dormio actually finds many of the words that Huh What says to be very agreeable...
However Dormio cannot help but feel that Dormio cannot trust Huh What...
Dormio has felt this way for quite some time now...
Dormio thinks that it is due to Huh What's statement earlier in the game where Huh What talked about lynching the easy to lynch people to win...
But Dormio will disregard the above and say that Dormio doesn't trust Affinity!
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(unless he's finally willing to submit at my feet like the dog he is)
Dormio most definitely hates Shadoweh!
Which is why Dormio wants to turn Shadoweh into Dormio's pet!
Then Dormio can poke and twist and turn Shadoweh however Dormio wants!
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Dormio just thinks that Affinity is overly defensive of NekoNekoRex among other things...
But Dormio is tired and Dormio is probably going to go to sleep soon!
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It seems that I have to wait for NNR even longer. And yes, I'm about to vig him if it wasn't clear by now, I just wait till he had some time
for his last cigarette to give us last reads and maybe additions to his claim, cause that's the sensible way to handle this.
In the meantime,
@Hero: If you think that Dormio and Shadoweh are both scum, as I assume you do, then how does it come that you never voted one of them?
@IHNN: Can you tell me what exactly was weird about Affinitys day one and how it is less weird in hindsight of what?
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And now he's gone, wonderful! That's what you get when you lose track of time and timezones.^^;;
I fell asleep with my computer running), jerk.
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OK first, bad play =/= scum play, town is as able to bad cases as scum is ale to make good cases. Using bad play as scum tell is at best lazy/naif which makes is bad play in itself and that's scummy according it's own definition. Scum in general are going to have weaker cases because they're hunting town, and have to convince town that one of their own is scum, whether there's actually anything worth convicting or not. So it's much more likely that bad scumhunting is going to result in scum more often.
I'm not even voting BT right now, I'm voting Dormio because he didn't even show his work throughout half the day.
And second:You clearly misrepresented him to make your case appear more weighty than it was. Wow, no shit. Why WOULDN'T I write a case that puts favor on what I'm saying, as ANY alignment? That's basic writing form, bub. But feel free to put down an example of how I'm misrepping him.
Anyway, let's try to handle this differently. Care for any last words or a claim, for the off chance that you are actually town?
Claim? Hold your horses, buddy, let's look at the score here...
2 votes.
...2 votes and you want me to CLAIM? No, and also fuck you.
Yeah, this is complete bullshit.
##Unvote
##Vote: Dorian
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It seems that I have to wait for NNR even longer. And yes, I'm about to vig him if it wasn't clear by now, I just wait till he had some time for his last cigarette to give us last reads and maybe additions to his claim, cause that's the sensible way to handle this.
Oh no! Looks like I'm dealing with a Big Shottm. I take everything back that I said about you (note: this is a lie).
Good job on outing your claim with no provocation, however. It's nice to see I still have to deal with newbies from time to time.
But since you seem pretty dead set, then go on and shoot me, see if I care! It's not like I personally have anything to lose. Your "fellow" townies may, however with the loss of that vote and whatever worthless analysis/confusion my flip creates.
But since you asked so nicely, I'll give you my town reads:
-Prims
...and my other ones are already dead. Shame.
The rest of you lot can go die in a fire.
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I guess Rawr is pretty cool too, now that I think about it.
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BT and Dormio are probably scum for trying to lynch me D1 when my death clearly wouldn't benefit town in terms of analysis and reads. BT especially for trying to lynch the obvtown Conq.
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I should also add BT hasn't been active since D1, yet has been lurking the forums.
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?Why WOULDN'T I write a case that puts favor on what I'm saying, as ANY alignment??
?Scum in general are going to have weaker cases because they're hunting town, and have to convince town that one of their own is scum, whether there's actually anything worth convicting or not.? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg934908.html#msg934908)
I think you answered your own question here before you even asked it and the example you asked for was in the same post you just quoted.
However, if that's what you think then you leave me no choice.
##Whisper: Kitchen
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Hey Schezo next time you shaft me with the bastard role, at least next time tack on something to make my presence here worthwhile.
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ladys please cant blame the mod for anything
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BT and Dormio are probably scum for trying to lynch me D1 when my death clearly wouldn't benefit town in terms of analysis and reads.
wut
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PS Dorian: Your case was bad and you should feel bad
PPS: Next time you make a case at least have something definitive behind it instead of just calling me a jerk with no sense of scumfinding ability
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IHNN: We're not. Do you want to vote or not vote NekoNekoRex? I just realized you put him at the top of your lynching priorities for literally no reason, what the hell dude?
Also, BT hasn't posted yet has he? How is he still looking town?
It's an opinion, yes I do but I'm not sure if I'd rather lynch NNR or Hero (but if NNR is about to be vigged then it doesn't really matter as only one of those 2 people will be alive). NNRs D2 isn't a good enough reason to vote for him?
BT had a pretty strong D1.
@IHNN: Can you tell me what exactly was weird about Affinitys day one and how it is less weird in hindsight of what?
Most of his posts had a really weird feeling to me, I'm not sure how to explain it aside from that. You're not seeing it?
Why are people so serious about routine, non-serious stuff? One-time cynical nonchalance on PX's part is cool regardless of alignment. Our shepherd looks like a fraud now!
##Unvote
##Vote: huhwhat
I do trust NNR for now given his badass claim, but why does he not mention me or BT for our blank votes? Same goes for huhwhat actually; personally I felt that there was nothing else to talk about at that time.
That's the weirdest post I can think of. It might be nothing but it feels off, and Affinity I guess I would prefer a little less than rawr as it's entirely based on feelings/gut, but I still wouldn't be opposed to his lynch.
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Don't be such a sour grape dood
Dorian (1): NekoNekoRex
BT (0):
Shadoweh (1): Drrawr
Dormio (0):
Ihavenoname (0):
Affinity (0):
Drrawr (1): Hero999
NekoNekoRex (2): Dormio, Dorian
HuhWhat (0):
Hero999 (1): Huh What
Not Voting: BT, Shadoweh, IHNN, Affinity
With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.
~50 hours left.
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Finally
##Squirt: NekoNekoRex
And I can only hope that it isn't what I think it is,
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:| Well, I'm going to work. I supose if that's real we'll deal with it as it comes.
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What geh. Give me THAT! You know squirtguns are on recall. Who even gave you this? Goddam. Now you went and ejected him from the game. Way ta go.
NekoNekoRex playing Fuka the Mafia Goon was squirted to death day 2.
Dorian (0):
BT (0):
Shadoweh (0):
Dormio (0):
Ihavenoname (0):
Affinity (0):
Drrawr (0):
HuhWhat (0):
Hero999 (0):
Not Voting: BT, Shadoweh, IHNN, Affinity, Drrawr, Hero999, Dormio, Dorian, Huh What
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
~50 hours left.
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Hooray a scum flip :| We are surely a step closer to finding the scum :| Dorian why ddid you do that instead of shooting Affinity, Rawr or Hero?
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because im too damn important
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also didnt neko say he was a death miller?
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That is indeed what he said.
Reading.
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Dormio is very happy!
But Dormio thinks that what Dorian did sounds very lewd...
##Vote Affinity
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@Shadoweh: Are you seriously asking me why I shot my fist scum pick instead of someone else?
Anyway, I think I call it a day but before I leave ...
##Vote: Hero999
Maybe that helps you to answer my question.
Good night
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##Vote Shadoweh
I had to reconsider a few things because :D1:. One of them being Shadowmeh.
I really hate to give levels of confidence because it seems like waffling, but my case on Serelapony was much better because I was more confident in it AND because Serela had given me more to work with. Part of the benefit of lurking is leaving out anything to accuse a person of. Considering what he's posted I -have- gone in depth to PX's posts. That's it. That's all there is to them. That's why they're bad.
Nothing is wrong with this, but consider that she was pushing for PX's death for ALL of D1. Scum are naturally going to have a harder time getting stronger stances and this was Shadoweh's strongest stance.
Alternatively, this is bothering me:
Hooray a scum flip :| We are surely a step closer to finding the scum :| Dorian why ddid you do that instead of shooting Affinity, Rawr or Hero?
Or maybe it's the trend that's bugging me. You marked those three musketeers as null (along with IHNN) but there's never been a clear Order or Preference.
Another thing about this quote in particular: NNR was a great vig shot (for his claim, or for the number of people that'd be out for his blood anyway...), so this response is kind of :what:. Not in the null way either, because Vig4NNR has been mentioned multiple times and Dorian himself had him as his first-in-line scummer, so this question is basically her not paying attention.
(Trivia: I used to think against it, but Not Paying Attention is a scumtell because scum aren't obliged to pay close attention to the thread, resulting in townies being more likely to be the ones paying attention.)
Rawr reaching more or less the same conclusion makes me want to retract that scum-lean. Want him to mention his other reads, though. And post more because he's practically mislynch fodder.
Most of his posts had a really weird feeling to me, I'm not sure how to explain it aside from that. You're not seeing it?
[insert the awkward post from way back in d1]
That's the weirdest post I can think of. It might be nothing but it feels off, and Affinity I guess I would prefer a little less than rawr as it's entirely based on feelings/gut, but I still wouldn't be opposed to his lynch.
Leaning scum on IHNN just for being a slugger. First NNR climbs up the scumlist despite not getting much of any mention D1 and now it's "time to point out something that could have been pointed out at the first 24 hours of the game". Whoops, look at that, we're at D2 already! Bringing up NNR like that in particular smells like a bus if they were planning on NNR flipping early for WIFOM anyway.
Already brought up why I think Affinity's vote on me was bad, but in all honesty I'm waffling on the read more than I would like. Him posting today might help. !_!
On that subject, Dormio, elaborate on the Affinity vote.
Speaking of mislynch fodder, there's Hero. Would like to ask HW how Hero gets to be ~blatantly bad~. In your answer consider the following:
On another note, all you people who seem to be so bent on lynching PX. yet none of you are really following through on it.
As Serela noted only Shadoweh appears to be voting PX so what are your reasons for not voting PX if you people are so willing?
Oh but but but but...;conspiracy;
Dormio and Shadoweh are bussing NNR.
The second quote is more awkward than townish (and I may be biased for thinking NNR is scum) but yeah.
I'm mainly thinking he is blatantly bad and not blatantly scummy. I guess that's what I'm trying to ask? Why is he blatantly scummy?
Dormio agrees that Hero999 is very bad!
You too buddy. <_<
Dormio is kind of a weird case, he reminds me of Dormiyoshika (and not just because of his RP!) but it's nothing I'd bet money on. I'll take it over nothing, though.
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##Vote: Hero999
catching up
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BT: He's posting empty questions instead of scumhunting. How this is Blatantly Scummy as well as just Blatantly Bad shouldn't need explaining. I don't see where you're getting town intent in the first quote - it's really easy for scum to go "hey guys why aren't you voting the mislynch wagon that I'm not on???". Second quote can come from either alignment too.
IHNN, why have you posted without voting for the entire day? That's some Shadoweh-tier obvscum shit right there, only she's more memorable.
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...not getting much of any mention D1 and now it's "time to point out something that could have been pointed out at the first 24 hours of the game". Whoops, look at that, we're at D2 already!
NNRs D2 isn't a good enough reason to vote for him?
So how is D2 part of the first 24 hours of the game?
Anyway looking back at my post I can see why, it was written over an extended period of time and as a result I forgot to put down my reasoning/change of opinions between being unsure of why we were voting scum NNR and deciding that yes, it was a good place to vote. I didn't vote because I was deciding between him and Hero, which became obsolete by Dorian's vigshot.
So I guess I should ##Vote: Hero. His D2 is nearly nonexistent and his one post that isn't some obscure reference is mostly insane crack conspiracy theories and LaL from what I see. Hero, if there's anything I missed feel free to tell me.
-cut by HW voting Hero as well-
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The first quote shows a town thinking process imo but hmm, you're right about the empty questions.
Would you lynch Shadoweh?
cut I was talking about the comment about Affinity (the one I quoted)
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I would lynch her over myself and Dorian (after the vig which probably isn't coming from scum), but that's not saying much.
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Dorian is pretty town atm so that's not saying anything at all ^_^
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Yeah basically I can kind of? see her as scum but she's also really low priority.
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Thinking about it, I would probably lynch Shadoweh over BT as well. The biggest problem I've had with BT all game is that he was pushing Conq longer than necessary, but that was a very miniscule problem, as I explained D1. Everything else has seemed solid and pro-town, even if I haven't always agreed with it.
Still consider Hero the best lynch. Shadoweh put it best when she said his Kaori play was posting whatever while hoping "don't look at me", that's pretty much the exact same thing he's doing here in that I can't get any thought processes out of his posts at any given time. Why is rawr the scum, Hero? Looking at your #313 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg934704.html#msg934704) you seem to be implying there's a dichotomy between you and rawr which I don't see?
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Prinny, massage my shoulders~
Dorian (0):
BT (0):
Shadoweh (1): BT
Dormio (0):
Ihavenoname (0):
Affinity (1): Dormio
Drrawr (0):
HuhWhat (0):
Hero999 (3): Dorian, Huh What, Ihavenoname L-2
Not Voting: Shadoweh, Affinity, Drrawr, Hero999
Hero999 is at L-2
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
~45 hours left.
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(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4056/4392163757_bb50c7248f.jpg)
Nooooo the meatshield. the...Cat!...Thingy is dying! Dead!? oh what scumbag?
...?
It makes me feel all nice inside when you defend me like that BT, but like...somewhat unneeded all things considered.
So like...Whats going on again? I'm the main focus of the day!
Huzzah.
Hm...looking back on the thread the Affinity reaction to NNR was pretty quick and...decisive. I do not feel as if he put much consideration into that declaration...and what was I doing again?
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Yeah I'm really suspicious of how vocal the DormioxShadoweh OTP is.
Its so pronounced this game...
Aye read through the game!
Aye am lost!
Aye am really confuzzled!
Someone hug me!?
In the meantime,
@Hero: If you think that Dormio and Shadoweh are both scum, as I assume you do, then how does it come that you never voted one of them?
Oh Oh...uh...Aye have no clue actually.
Aye think Aye was suppose to but never decided to or somethingz.
So like on the topic of me and Rawr.
Can someone state the defining difference between me and him?
Aye swear this is becoming a common occurrence. Like...Aye give "empty questions" sure. But like...What is DrRawr really doing that is so blanantly "good" compared to me?
Hooray a scum flip :| We are surely a step closer to finding the scum :| Dorian why ddid you do that instead of shooting Affinity, Rawr or Hero?
Going on a limb and kicking a dead horse. You shucks. You shuckling jerk. You make it sound like Aye would give much more information even if Aye did die. Actually Aye probably would but you wouldn't know that would you neh? Besides this quote is seriously depressing because. In what way would DrRawr's death give you information? How about Affinity? This list is so stupid Aye think Aye'll actually vote you!
##Unvote
##Vote Shadoweh
because im too damn important
Aye expect you to die this night then, Important jerk.
...and that is it?
Nothing elsesu yayificationz.
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@Shadoweh: Are you seriously asking me why I shot my fist scum pick instead of someone else?
Anyway, I think I call it a day but before I leave ...
##Vote: Hero999
Maybe that helps you to answer my question.
I supose if you seriously thought he was scum that badly, but we already knew he was going to flip as scum. I'm still fairly sure he was town.
huh what: Shadoweh obvscum tier shit what. The first thing I do as scum is find some idiot to hold my vote because people like it that way. So far reading back your reason to lynch me would be 'gut like coldcrow' which is pretty rude because Coldcrow was a really scummy idiot. I can see you trying to convince yourself it's a good idea. Don't even try. I will smack you down so hard.
BT: My strongest stances tend to be town reads, not scum reads. Isolating one person I thought was scum while not noting that I went out of my way to consider reasons certain people were town isn't fair analysis. I've been ignoring Affinity actually but suddenly I have an vested interest again. If I were to mark it through play I'd say Hero is the worst of all of them and look forward to more ##Bitching in that direction, but I'm not interested in going that way just yet. Just from what you pointed out I'd be interested in IHNN first actually, BOY I WISH WE HAD A VIG TO SORT THEM OUT.
The question is not me not paying attention, you're the one that wanted him vigged so I can understand why you wouldn't understand this. It was very unlikely that Neko was scum with the combination of his claim and the amount of attention he was getting for it. On top of that I'd rather not go further into it but I'm not clearing Dorian on role alone (the second kill last night has something to do with it). So it's completely within reason to question why he didn't shoot someone else who might actually be scum instead of pretend scum lite.
I supose I should ask you, do you think Neko flipped fake death town miller, or actual Mafia Goon?
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4056/4392163757_bb50c7248f.jpg)
Nooooo the meatshield. the...Cat!...Thingy is dying! Dead!? oh what scumbag?
...?
Did you miss the entire day of arguing over whether he was a real Death Miller or something?
It makes me feel all nice inside when you defend me like that BT, but like...somewhat unneeded all things considered.
So like...Whats going on again? I'm the main focus of the day!
Huzzah.
Hm...looking back on the thread the Affinity reaction to NNR was pretty quick and...decisive. I do not feel as if he put much consideration into that declaration...and what was I doing again?
So is BT scummy/townie/a moose for it. Were you going to address anything I said to you earlier or say anything that isn't a non-sequiter?
Cut: Wow I haven't twitched like this in so long. YES you would give more information if you died because YOU AREN'T A PROCLAIMED DEATH MILLER. This isn't fucking rocket science. I actually have trouble believing you could write this post without inside information because if you were honestly suspicious of people you would understand WHY I WANT TO SEE FLIPS.
However I am intrigued at Dormio's offer and wish to inquire for more.
##Vote: Affinity
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Wanted to post yesterday but fell asleep. Mafia is so mind-numbing.
Not happy with the NNR vig, given that I implicity did agree with the gist of what he was saying against BT (though certainly not the tone or the roundabout way he went it). Don't think Dorian gave much respect to what NNR was saying in general, saying that he 'misrepped' BT without saying how, and even if he could cite an example (perhaps), he did not address that part of his case was that BT was voteparking on Conq instead of voting for NNR despite grinding to a halt on Conq, a rather important point which should have been addressed. Maybe it's NNR's bad PR or something.
Would like to ask why IHNN thinks Conq and BT were both town and solid when he hasn't even given much of an opinion on the Conq/BT spat yesterday (or commented on how Conq's or BT's reasoning on the other was flawed). He seems to be posting based on buzzwords (rawr and BT are 'solid for D1', I am 'weird', Hero is 'insufficient', etc.). Also weird how I could be 'less weird on hindsight' when he went ahead and quoted my ancient huhwhat vote when asked to explain this, which doesn't show much sight to speak of. Overall his opinions don't seem to extend very far past his subjectivism, and he hasn't even been acting on them until recently (e.g voting Hero, red-lighting NNR all of a sudden).
@HW: As I said some games ago, I think the reasons for voting PX were implicitly obvious enough (he had absolutely no content while parking his vote on Shadoweh, as usual). Would have rather spent more time on bigger and better things (e.g BT) rather than pressing someone who was not there and simply PX.
More later on BT, Dormio, Shadoweh Gosh. For now.
##Vote: IHNN
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You seriously have no idea how hard it is not to snap and try to ram votes on you into the ground. I don't vote people out of anger. I don't vote people out of anger. I don't I don't I don't
and since you obviously decided you didn't need to pay enough attention to the person you are voting to notice this, Hero:
What the hell does any of this mean. :| Hero, I haven't said anything about voting Neko, and your 'reason' for hating Neko is related to the question I asked him. Dormio and I are cute but we're not a couple (unless he's finally willing to submit at my feet like the dog he is) so why do you keep shipping us together? What does -any- of that have to do with voting Rawr?
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Yayifications for making Shadoweh twitchy.Do it Do it Do it.
Aye apologize for being such a dumb one.
Aye am not sure how to exactly answer the question.
One part could be there is no relation at all.
Aye apologize if Aye am mistaken in something.
On the topic of NNR's flip, Aye believe he is mostly likely a Mafia Goon, who was given the idea of claiming Miller by teammates since you don't believe he would do so himself.
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"Shadoweh obvscum tier shit" was a joke seeing as I don't think either you or IHNN are obvscum. It's just annoying, posting but taking this long to vote is anti-town.
On the topic of NNR's flip, Aye believe he is mostly likely a Mafia Goon, who was given the idea of claiming Miller by teammates since you don't believe he would do so himself.
...but you also think Shadoweh is scum?
why are you instantly taking her logic at face value
is rawr still scum?
Affinity, why do you think that IHNN is more likely to have scum intent than Hero?
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...but you also think Shadoweh is scum?
why are you instantly taking her logic at face value
Aye'm not quite understanding this...?
Answering a question is the equivalent of taking logic at face value...?
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@HW: As I said some games ago, I think the reasons for voting PX were implicitly obvious enough (he had absolutely no content while parking his vote on Shadoweh, as usual). Would have rather spent more time on bigger and better things (e.g BT) rather than pressing someone who was not there and simply PX.
not wasting breath with a case on him is understandable but despite disliking his content you didn't really do anything to squeeze more out of him, like questioning or whatever. i don't think this is conducive to scumhunting since if you think somebody is scummily active lurking but ignore them because they're not worth a lynch then that gives them little incentive to improve if they're town and lets them coast without producing more if they're scum
what happened to your dormio scumread, btw?
hero cut: you're assuming that nnr's buddies must have told him to claim death miller, because shadoweh, the person you're voting, said she didn't expect him to think of it on his own. ?????
to be honest i'm not even sure why you thought nnr was scum in the first place
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Rather sad that both Conq and NNR died because it was rather interesting to see how people such as BT would continue to deal with them. But oh well.
see dormio is voting random ghetto targets again for okay reasons again. To answer his sole accusation on me, I did like NNR's content yesterday, as mentioned above, so I guess that's why I may have 'overdefended' NNR. On Dormio's part, he had given a clear opinion on NNR and Hero (not much is needed to be clear here) so perhaps his content seems relevant today, and thusly not someone I would focus on today. It really depends on what he does with his vote on me. Still not clear what he thinks of Shadoweh now, however; would like him to elaborate.
On Hero999, my gut feeling was confused town but after reading he seems to occupy the no man's land between too scum to be scum and barely useful as town. He has had original opinions, but they don't really add up to anything consistent. The only thing that seems consistent about his posts is his constant questioning of why rawr is so different from him, which isn't very flattering. His votes are also very bad throughout the game. In general, I have to agree with the general sentiment on him.
Not impressed by BT's vote on Shadoweh. BT, may I ask why you switched your vote to NNR all of a sudden yesterday, then? Did your suspicion of Conq subside in anyway?
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@Ninja: PX improving is a semi-joke now; he only does so when he wants to. I guess asking some question such as 'who is scum and why' would have been ideal on my part, but this is PX here.
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just throwing this out here but....
this all could be some ploy by scum, NNR was actually a death miller and dorian the mafia day killing thing killed him to gain town cred.
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dorian the mafia day killing thing
Dormio can absolutely, 100% guarantee that this is not the case!
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God damnit Dormio you are sending me mixed signals here.
'Day killing mafia thing' is pretty unlikely as a role.
On the topic of NNR's flip, Aye believe he is mostly likely a Mafia Goon, who was given the idea of claiming Miller by teammates since you don't believe he would do so himself.
I'm looking around and there is no one who can currently be scum that I think would come up with 'dood claim death miller it'll be great'. Unless PX was a Scum Death Miller who flipped as town that is.
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It makes me feel all nice inside when you defend me like that BT, but like...somewhat unneeded all things considered.
I do want to make sure we're not repeating D1.
So like on the topic of me and Rawr.
Can someone state the defining difference between me and him?
Aye swear this is becoming a common occurrence. Like...Aye give "empty questions" sure. But like...What is DrRawr really doing that is so blanantly "good" compared to me?
You can start by comparing your Shadoweh vote and his.
BT: My strongest stances tend to be town reads, not scum reads. Isolating one person I thought was scum while not noting that I went out of my way to consider reasons certain people were town isn't fair analysis.
Strong scum stances are the important thing, though. It's not hard for scum to consider reasons for X!town (easy as pie, actually, because they know they're town).
I supose I should ask you, do you think Neko flipped fake death town miller, or actual Mafia Goon?
The latter. I thought it was clear from my last post.
Not impressed by BT's vote on Shadoweh. BT, may I ask why you switched your vote to NNR all of a sudden yesterday, then? Did your suspicion of Conq subside in anyway?
It wasn't all that sudden, I was thinking the Conq wagon still had potential but was proven wrong.
Dormio can absolutely, 100% guarantee that this is not the case!
BT believes that Dormio and Dorian are town.
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However I am intrigued at Dormio's offer and wish to inquire for more.
Is Dormio correct in interpreting Shadoweh's statement as an agreement that Shadoweh will submit to Dormio and become Dormio's pet that Dormio can do whatever Dormio wants to?
Because Dormio thinks that that would make Dormio very happy!
Even if Dormio hates Shadoweh very very much!
If Dormio is wrong about that, then Dormio guesses Dormio will explain while Dormio answers something else...
see dormio is voting random ghetto targets again for okay reasons again.
Dormio doesn't quite understand 'random ghetto'...
Just because what Dormio does is normal for Dormio and not normal for everyone else doesn't mean that what Dormio does isn't normal!
To answer his sole accusation on me, I did like NNR's content yesterday, as mentioned above, so I guess that's why I may have 'overdefended' NNR.
Dormio sees the justification that Affinity gives for defending NekoNekoRex but Dormio doesn't think that this changes Dormio's opinion that Dormio thinks that this is scummy!
Still not clear what he thinks of Shadoweh now, however; would like him to elaborate.
Dormio absolutely, positively hates Shadoweh!
But Dormio thinks that Dormio can save Shadoweh!
So Dormio will do Dormio's best to turn Shadoweh into Dormio's pet!
When Dormio reread what little content Dormio saw that Hero999 had to offer, Dormio is very very suspicious of what Hero999 says!
Even more than before!
In particular Dormio is very suspicious of all the times that Hero999 mentions NekoNekoRex!
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Dormio needs to make another post about Affinity so Dormio will be working on that now!
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Strong scum stances are the important thing, though. It's not hard for scum to consider reasons for X!town (easy as pie, actually, because they know they're town).
Tthis is trueish I supose. So you're honestly proposing that I was partnered with Neko and encouraged him to claim Death Miller for the lulz? (95% sure was town would Toxx for Neko) I don't feel like arguing with you is productive for me, but it's hard to defend myself when your case on me is 'does not name 7 scum suspects'. I am fully willing to PoE everyone who isn't town to me and most of my pissyness stems from people killing OBVIOUS TOWNIES.
Dormio: I.. uh... I really don't think I need saving actually.. I don't think I'm even in danger of being kidnapped anymore! But you almost sound like you know what you doing so I'm happy to follow in your footsteps. Shadoweh x Dormio ending Redux?
I don't think a mafia post has struck me speechless for so long before
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Let me try to organize my current thoughts.
Kaoris scum method was so evident that is hurt, unfortunately is Hero not as clear as this right now. But I still can't say that see his thoughts coming from a town perspective. I mean he came up with the idea that Dormio and Shadoweh are scum together, so far so good, but why didn't he tried to find prove for his idea or to convince anyone of it? Why haven't he vote for one of his supposed scum picks till now? Why did he used his idea to speculate about the alignment of others in the most inconclusive way possible?
I really can't see it.
Rawr is just a slightly bit better, I can at last see where his point against Shadoweh is coming from. Which is his first case in this game? Not that this changes my opinion about him that much but it's at last better than a coin flipping decision between those two.
Now some other thing that troubles me,
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I'm looking around and there is no one who can currently be scum that I think would come up with 'dood claim death miller it'll be great'. Unless PX was a Scum Death Miller who flipped as town that is.
I know one (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12789.msg839136.html#msg839136). When we say that the claim was null in itself then goes this for both directions, so stop using it as a town tell.
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@ Affinity: I addressed what I saw as the main point of NNRs case. And you have to admit that the ?voteparking? point lose most of it's value if you think that BT pushed just, what he thought were, the stronger case, like I did.
However, it would be nice if you could clarify something for me,
@huhwhat: BT PX Hero Serela rawr IHNN, from left to right, though such an ordering seems largely meaningless. Dormio could be looked over more thoroughly as well as he seemed to ignore quite a bit of the important conflicts in D1, for all his decent activity and posting.
If that were your lynching priority at the end of day one then I have to wonder about two things here. First did IHNN really jumped here from last to fist position? And second how does Hero standing in third position fit together with the ?confused town gut feeling? that you mentioned in your last post?
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Dormio absolutely, positively hates Shadoweh!
But Dormio thinks that Dormio can save Shadoweh!
So Dormio will do Dormio's best to turn Shadoweh into Dormio's pet!
Would Dormio want Shadoweh to not get lynched today so that he could "save" her?
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@ Rawr: In case that you haven't noticed it yet, the votes were reset, so would you mind to put your vote somewhere?
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Dormio fell asleep before Dormio could do anything!
Would Dormio want Shadoweh to not get lynched today so that he could "save" her?
Why would Dormio want to kill Dormio's pet?
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Dormio needs to make another post about Affinity so Dormio will be working on that now!
Dormio will say again that Dormio dislikes what Dormio sees as Affinity being overdefensive of NekoNekoRex!
Dormio also wonders about what Dormio heard affinity saying about how lynching NekoNekoRex would give no information...
Because of the nature of PX, Dormio wonders if Affinity really thought that lynching PX would be that much more informative...
And if Dormio continues this train of thought doesn't Dormio come to the conclusion that the lynch Affinity is following right now, I Have No Name's lynch, also give very little information?
Dormio notes that Affinity talked about how it would be very hard to judge the associations between NekoNekoRex and various players but that makes Dormio wonder about how many associations, if any, Affinity would be able to draw from PX and I Have No Name...
Dormio also thinks that it is ironic for Affinity to be calling Dormio out for continuing to go after what Affinity calls 'ghetto targets'.
Dormio wonders why there is a need for Dormio to follow the opinion of everyone else!
Dormio thinks that would be very boring for Dormio!
Dormio gave Dormio's basic thoughts on the popular targets but Dormio doesn't like to waste time on them when Dormio knows that other people will!
Having said that Dormio wonders...
Couldn't Dormio argue that it is actually easier to avoid attention and yet look contributive by doing what Affinity was doing?
Dormio thinks that following popular opinion is a much easier way to become friends with everyone!
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In the end...
Dormio just wishes that certain people would post more!
Dormio doesn't like it when people don't post!
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I'm posting. Hi Dormio :>
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You have my permission to die now
Dorian (0):
BT (0):
Shadoweh (2): BT, Hero999
Dormio (0):
Ihavenoname (1): Affinity
Affinity (2): Dormio, Shadoweh
Drrawr (0):
HuhWhat (0):
Hero999 (3): Dorian, Huh What, Ihavenoname L-2
Not Voting: Drrawr
Hero999 is at L-2
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
~22 hours left.
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I actually don't have anything to say right now other than that rawr is descending into Hero levels of coasting and bad since we're pressing Hero over him. Hell he doesn't currently even have a vote
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Hello Huh What!
Dormio says hello!
Dormio says hello to Schezo!
Dormio wonders about monopoly!
hmmmmrys
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wait why did i even unvote? and why did hero999 vote shadoweh? Im so confused of hero999 positions on anyone?
Dormio also wonders about what Dormio heard affinity saying about how lynching NekoNekoRex would give no information
is it wrong to assume that killing a death miller would yield no info rather then say someone else(like me, hero, ihnn) who hasnt claimed such a role?
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Also i can only see Affinity being scum if NNR were actually also scum, guess i could flip a coin or something. but other then that i would think affinity as town
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Im also wondering who shadoweh thinks is scum at this point, her vote looks nothing more then a votepark at this point.
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Votes were reset after the vig
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is it wrong to assume that killing a death miller would yield no info rather then say someone else(like me, hero, ihnn) who hasnt claimed such a role?
Dormio doesn't think so!
Rather, Dormio is saying that the targets that Affinity have been going after also yield very little information in Dormio's opinion!
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Dormio will rephrase what Dormio has just said!
Dormio agrees that because of NekoNekoRex's claim it makes it very hard for Dormio or anyone else to extract any information about associations from NekoNekoRex's flip!
But Dormio has noticed that a lot of Affinity's targets are also people that will not offer very much information about associations because they do not associate with people!
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if i didn't already say this then my priorities are basically hero > affinity > ihnn > shadoweh out of the current vote targets
gut says ihnn is weak town, i've done my best to verbalize this in past posts but it's hard to describe
but compared to hero and rawr he has more of an evident thought process
as far as scumminess goes: imo guy with no logical scumhunting or town thought process > guy with the occasional scumreads who doesn't care about them or read the thread > guy with reads who has a hard time justifying them but does actually talk about them (ihnn falls here, the other two people being hero and rawr. idk i just think he's being comparable to town-serela)
rawr should revote. him not reading the thread is legitimately scummy and i would be tempted to switch to him over that if we weren't so low on time. nothing else he has done has been impressive. what do you think of shadoweh's content since you first voted her today? what about hero? which is scummier?
Affinity, why do you think that IHNN is more likely to have scum intent than Hero?
affinity never answered this.
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Why does Dormio make so much sense!?
Is the sky falling!?
Aye!!!!
So basically not reading the thread is better than reading and having no thought process. Kay!
@Huh What: Not quite sure if my posts are really >don't look at me...
@Dormio: How many times did Aye mention NNR? Aye don't quite remember
wait why did i even unvote? and why did hero999 vote shadoweh? Im so confused of hero999 positions on anyone?
is it wrong to assume that killing a death miller would yield no info rather then say someone else(like me, hero, ihnn) who hasnt claimed such a role?
Unvotes are due to Dorian Vigging a certain cat to death.
Aye voted her because "paranoia" CONSPIRACY!
@Shadoweh: Your rage about information in my eyes is kinda...empty? Cause like, Sure you would get my flip town but like...what else? Connections? Where? Ideas? What Ideas? Stuff? Anything?
What are thought processes?
If you want an Idea of how Aye'm thinking of things. Its "Oooh this looks like to poke at."
"Ah that looks bunch of weirds too!
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So basically not reading the thread is better than reading and having no thought process. Kay!
im actually starting to reconsider, but flashwagons are bad and i don't see people starting one on rawr with me even he's basically not caring about anything
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him not reading the thread is legitimately scummy
but i am reading i the thread
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you're barely talking about anything and you didn't read the votecount reset so that's kinda difficult to believe
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i stopped reading that post after NNR flipped mafia goon
what do you think of shadoweh's content
nothing has changed like really
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##Vote: Shadoweh
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Now some other thing that troubles me, I know one (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12789.msg839136.html#msg839136). When we say that the claim was null in itself then goes this for both directions, so stop using it as a town tell.
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Well I can't argue against your evidence. I will concede the point for now. I must admit that it makes me feel better about you to pull that out so easily.
BT: That would imply that you could actually get me lynched at this point. Your partner in crime against me here is voting me between apologizing for not listening to me, get on a good wagon already.
Honestly I don't think I'm good at reading Affinity, it's hard to tell the difference between bitter-coffee-scum Affinity when no known scum have flipped and super-moe-town Affinity. Since Dormio is signalling for ~*~evidence~*~ I'll see what I can find. I will say as an Affinity thing that his move onto BT when it was third on the wagon, without saying why he no longer cared for his vote on huh what reminds me of what I'd say is his mmo, throwing out justification to get onto the most likely wagon.
..I dunno Dormio I'm not sure if I'm feeling this, bu there are kind of some weird things. Affinimu why aren't you voting BT again today? I've seen you continue to bring up why he's awful but I don't get how your priorities changed.
So basically not reading the thread is better than reading and having no thought process. Kay!
Yes. How can you read the thread and not have a thought process unless you're not thinking? I don't get the impression Rawr isn't reading really.
@Shadoweh: Your rage about information in my eyes is kinda...empty? Cause like, Sure you would get my flip town but like...what else? Connections? Where? Ideas? What Ideas? Stuff? Anything?
Are you implying that your posts are devoid of ideas and connections and therefore you would be terrible to vig because you're not doing anything? :) Because that sounds like reasons you should be dead to me.
Rawr stop it go vote someone else I heard Hero has shiny things
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how are you reading rawr, shadoweh?
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in fact can you just post your reads in general because the most i get from you is "hero is bad" and "affinity is kinda iffy but i'm gonna vote him over hero anyway because i'm a hipster"
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what do you think of shadoweh's content since you first voted her today? what about hero? which is scummier?
With shadowehs recent post i cant particularly say much. Her vote on affinity is seeming more and more empty seeing as shes waffling on it.
Hero999 i just dont know what hes thinking in his posts. Him mentioning how himself would be a useless vig target is also useless noise. other then that hes probably scum.
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how are you reading rawr, shadoweh?
in fact can you just post your reads in general because the most i get from you is "hero is bad" and "affinity is kinda iffy but i'm gonna vote him over hero anyway because i'm a hipster"
please respond
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Go search! NOW
Dorian (0):
BT (0):
Shadoweh (3): BT, Hero999, Drrawr L-2
Dormio (0):
Ihavenoname (1): Affinity
Affinity (2): Dormio, Shadoweh
Drrawr (0):
HuhWhat (0):
Hero999 (3): Dorian, Huh What, Ihavenoname L-2
Not Voting: No one
Hero999 is at L-2
Shadoweh is at L-2
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
~13 hours left.
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Guys, we aren't lynching Affinity today.
and Affinity, I'm not getting lynched today either.
It looks like either Shadoweh or Hero, and I can't say I agree with the Shadoweh wagon. I don't get the arguments used here.
Anyways going to sleep super late, might not be back before deadline, half "get in gear town" post, half prod-dodge post.
Because visiting a friend+staying up all night.
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Dormio wonders why I Have No Name thinks that Affinity is not a valid lynch target!
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how are you reading rawr, shadoweh?
I don't think he sounds scummy. I'd support Hero over him (and a Hero wagon in general really) and if you guys won't look at Affinimu that's where I intend to go (I'm obviously not voting myself anyways)
in fact can you just post your reads in general because the most i get from you is "hero is bad" and "affinity is kinda iffy but i'm gonna vote him over hero anyway because i'm a hipster"
I am entirely voting Affinity on Dormio's suggestion, and unfortunately have no proof but gut is okay with it. I'll be here before the end
HOLY SHIT I HAVE AN AMAZIING IDEA
HERO SHOULD DO THIS THING I HEAR PEOPLE DO WHEN IT IS CLOSE TO THE END OF THE DAY
I HAVE HEARD TALES IT IS CALLED 'CLAIMING'
FOR EXAMPLE I AM THE ONE, AND ONLY DAUGHTER OF THE GREAT OVERLORD ZENON AND WILL ##BITCH ABOUT IT UNTIL YOU GET IT THROUGH YOUR UNDIGNIFIED SKULLS.
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Also if you will note I've been sticking to my reads from earlier in general. What's happened since then is Dormio has gotten cuter, Affinity has stayed eh, Hero has become the scum of the earth, Rawr has shot up in my 'doesn't give a fuck but at least is trying to find scum' meter (huh what if you really think he's scum I might trust you on it, but I'd expect the kind of confidence in it as when you shot him..) and that's all I wish to commit on at this moment.
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I can't speak for IHNN, but I can't say that I find your case that convincing either. Yes, Affinity defended NNR but nothing went beyond the area of ?I like NNRs case more then BTs?, which I can understand in regard of the voteparking point, so I find it kinda daring to call it ?overdefensive?. The other point is troublesome too since ?no information that isn't WIFOM? isn't the same as ?no information at all? but I guess that the circumstances will become clearer when he comes in to enlighten us on his lynching priorities ones again.
Now to something that became already a bit clearer,...
So basically not reading the thread is better than reading and having no thought process. Kay!
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I have to admit that Rawrs lack of attention is more than troublesome but if that isn't a ?don't look at me? line then I don't know.
Also, it can't be a good thing that IHNN so constantly slips my mind, I could actually agree with Affinitys case on him but he's hardly my main concern at the moment.
And the last point for now,
... I am entirely voting Affinity on Dormio's suggestion, and unfortunately have no proof but gut is okay with it. ...
Quite disappointing, is there really nothing that you can add on this matter?
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Lets see...I would say my role benefits town on a certain condition!
After all! I am the Archangel of Love and Peace!
v(0-0)v
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Good, I haven't played for a while but I think that a claim were supposed to tell you something.^^;
I mean something like, ?I'm <Role name> the town <function> and I have the ability to <do stuff>? do you see what I mean?
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@Dormio:
PX vs. NNR on information
No matter how hard we lynched NNR or what his alignment is, his flip would have given no information. It would be as good as a no lynch day one until LyLO appears, where we can only speculate about how many scum members there were in the setup. This is a fundamental point; town would waste much time doing something that has no reward until later (possibly too late).
If PX was scum, then we can apply normal bandwagon analysis on the wagon, as usual. While Dormio is right that it's hard to read PX given that it's so easy to come up with reasons and jump on him, future scum flips and their interactions might lead us to scum.
In the end, I don't get why Dormio is raising a ruckus regarding 'information' of flips when the conclusions one can get is so obvious, and when PX had the possibility actually flip *scum* and let us do something about it.
Dormio wonders why there is a need for Dormio to follow the opinion of everyone else!
Not asking you to follow the opinion of everyone else, but merely comment on the major happenings of each day (in this case D1). If there is a 1v1 where both sides give strong reasons on why the other is scum, obviously you can't merely agree with both sides. Perhaps you can say both sides are misguided town, but that's the minimum. Not commenting on such things gives nothing for town to work with, which is really scum's modus operadi.
I don't even think I was following popular opinion! Are you merely saving people from sins of your own creation?
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@huhwhat: IHNN has had a greater range of suspects and a somewhat more concrete list of suspects he had actually voted continuously, as well as greater presence in voting especially on D2, with bite-sized reasons that seem acceptable on first glance (but unexplained and somewhat throwaway). Hero999 is just looking extremely confused to the point of lynchbait, for example switching from rawr to Shadoweh for such a reason when it was not too hard to justify resting his vote on rawr. Of the two, I believed IHNN fit the 'scum intent' thing of laying low but not too low better.
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(http://www.jrcompton.com/photos/The_Birds/J/March-07/JR61052-dead-duck-fl.jpg)
conspiracy and weird alien logic
...Aye'ma go out on a limb and say that the two people who don't want me dead are scum.
>(=^=)>
##Unvote
##Vote Affinity
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Regarding BT:
It wasn't all that sudden, I was thinking the Conq wagon still had potential but was proven wrong.
With a fair amount of people shouting down your Conq case at that time, you must have been rather unobservant to come to such a conclusion.
In fact, I feel that his Shadoweh vote is rather incomplete as well, as Shadoweh just answered BT's questions regarding her reactions to the vig without much of a conclusion etc. Neither do I like his day one very much either, especially with his response. But it's not as if Shadoweh is actively trying to make herself look more townie voting due to gut alone and waiting for something to catch her eye, for gut to turn into spleen maybe. I'm like so whatever on Shadoweh that I feel BT's actions today to be reasonable and such. So yeah, whatever, Shadoweh.
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@Dorian: I thought IHNN had something interesting to say for all his opinions on D1 but his D2 disappointed me very much. Regarding Hero, he's everywhere and therefore null in gneral.
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So can I say that, out of this day, I think that Dormio is more townie due to his fleshed out case on me, that IHNN might as well be playing D2 from D1 through a time warp (and therefore scummy and infuriating), that Hero999 has potential but is squandering it and playing so badly (not assuming PRs or scum) that his alignment somehow solely rests on his roleclaim (yes you agree with Dormio but do you find me scummy for it? Why still Shadoweh over me etc.), that Shadoweh is being a parrot and for all her terrible word:content ratio, I don't find her suspicious? Can we just lynch rawr instead, for saying something smart but one-off with regards to Shadoweh (not really following up on her response regarding the PX thing D1), for his very limited range, and for his constant reference to me as some magical pivot point?
##Unvote
##Vote: rawr
Will be back in 8 hours. Hero really needs to claim and I will act accordingly.
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Ninja: Oh whatever. Very cute of you Hero.
##Unvote
##Vote: Hero999
Now claim.
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Stop doing bad things!
pfffffthahahaha
Dorian (0):
BT (0):
Shadoweh (2): BT, Drrawr
Dormio (0):
Ihavenoname (0):
Affinity (3): Dormio, Shadoweh, Hero999 L-2
Drrawr (0):
HuhWhat (0):
Hero999 (4): Dorian, Huh What, Ihavenoname, Affinity L-1
Not Voting: No one
Hero999 is at L-1
Affinity is at L-2
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
~4 hours left.
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constant reference
Ive only mentioned you like once today
not really following up on her response regarding the PX thing D1
ok you got me, i dont really care about the "PX thing". its already happened and theres not much to say about. you like want me to mention it every post or something?
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Sweets? Sweet??? ... Nothing here? Dayam.
Dorian (0):
BT (0):
Shadoweh (2): BT, Drrawr
Dormio (0):
Ihavenoname (0):
Affinity (3): Dormio, Shadoweh, Hero999 L-2
Drrawr (0):
HuhWhat (0):
Hero999 (4): Dorian, Huh What, Ihavenoname, Affinity L-1
Not Voting: No one
Hero999 is at L-1
Affinity is at L-2
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
~2 hours left.
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##Unvote
Plenty of people seem to have no problem with Shadowdeath. By her own logic, Affinity becoming the counterwagon instead should point you to a certain direction. <_<
Regarding BT:
With a fair amount of people shouting down your Conq case at that time, you must have been rather unobservant to come to such a conclusion.
That happened before this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933640.html#msg933640) post and I thought it would convince people that I'm not smoking pot. I liked that case so much that I was probably going to continue thinking conqscum today even after reconsidering.
In fact, I feel that his Shadoweh vote is rather incomplete as well, as Shadoweh just answered BT's questions regarding her reactions to the vig without much of a conclusion etc.
Her response to that really didn't change anything. With Dorian thinking NNR scum + people suggesting a NNR vig over the course of the game you'd at least have *some* understanding of Dorian's choice instead of going "but whyyyy did you do this".
conspiracy and weird alien logic
...Aye'ma go out on a limb and say that the two people who don't want me dead are scum.
>(=^=)>
##Unvote
##Vote Affinity
Try a little harder. I could always hammer you early.
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Apparently "early" isn't going to happen because we're already at T-2 hours.
&_&
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It looks like either Shadoweh or Hero, and I can't say I agree with the Shadoweh wagon. I don't get the arguments used here.
Maybe it'd help if you uhhhh I don't know tell us what you don't get?
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BT, how long will you be around?
I would like to wait as long as possible to allow others to say something before the day ends, even when I think that we are already set, I'm not really expecting a claim from Hero.
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Oh please, don't tell me that the only one around who could hammer is the one who barely even reads the game.
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I will be here.
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Help Sophia put her makeup on
Dorian (0):
BT (0):
Shadoweh (1): Drrawr
Dormio (0):
Ihavenoname (0):
Affinity (3): Dormio, Shadoweh, Hero999 L-2
Drrawr (0):
HuhWhat (0):
Hero999 (4): Dorian, Huh What, Ihavenoname, Affinity L-1
Not Voting: BT
Hero999 is at L-1
Affinity is at L-2
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
1 hour left.
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i'm here and would much rather lynch hero than affinity
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Hammering in my next post.
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Then I think we are set, or is there anything left to do or say?
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wait i do making the post now
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Dormio just woke up and Dormio is reading now!
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Oh please, don't tell me that the only one around who could hammer is the one who barely even reads the game.
i hate you
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Dormio just woke up and Dormio is reading now!
You have 15 minutes.
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Dormio is tired and Dormio needs to get ready to BBQ in the rain!
Dormio doesn't think that Dormio will be able to do anything in 15 minutes!
It is not enough time for Dormio!
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i hate you
Well, you have to agree that it worked, didn't it?^^
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Then post whatever you need to say before then.
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I'll slice and dice you dood
Dorian (0):
BT (0):
Shadoweh (1): Drrawr
Dormio (0):
Ihavenoname (0):
Affinity (3): Dormio, Shadoweh, Hero999 L-2
Drrawr (0):
HuhWhat (0):
Hero999 (4): Dorian, Huh What, Ihavenoname, Affinity L-1
Not Voting: BT
Hero999 is at L-1
Affinity is at L-2
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
15 minutes left.
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Dormio would need more time to organize Dormio's thoughts!
Dormio won't be able to digest everything Dormio sees before then!
So Dormio is okay with a hammer happening whenever!
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##Vote Hero999
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Dorian (0):
BT (0):
Shadoweh (1): Drrawr
Dormio (0):
Ihavenoname (0):
Affinity (3): Dormio, Shadoweh, Hero999
Drrawr (0):
HuhWhat (0):
Hero999 (5): Dorian, Huh What, Ihavenoname, Affinity, BT (Deported)
Not Voting: No one
Alright there is way too much love and caring and happiness coming from you. You ain't got to go home but you got to get the hell out.
"I- I- I'll still make you all feel the power of love!"
Hero999 playing Archangel Flonne was a Town Oracle.
Flonne fired a bright white light that undoubtedly revealed Dormio to be DESCO the Town Gunsmith.
It is now night 2, you have 24 hours to send actions.
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Master Valvatorez! It's urgent. This influx of prinnies isn't going to teach itself. Please go and tend to them.
Affinity, playing Valvatorez the Town Cop was sent back to Hades.
And with him gone it means that today is LYLO. Best of luck and win for your side.
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. You have 72 hours.
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alright massclaim let's ##Rock
I think Dormoe should pick the claim order since he's confirmed town and all
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Dormio didn't die?
Dormio is surprised!
But now Dormio's big bro is dead too!
What is Dormio supposed to do now?
Dormio would like Huh What to claim first!
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axel, vt
if the lack of an actual list means popcorn then rawr should go next
i have some theories about last night but i'll wait until after everybody claims i guess
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##Hijack Thread
I AM THE GREAT OVERLOAD LAHARL!
vanilla town
IHNN can go next
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actually it doesnt seem anyone else is on....
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I'm here, but it's late so it wouldn't be for long.
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Then Dormio would like to see Dorian claim before he goes!
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Very well, then ...
I'm Champloo and a Vanilla Townie with the ability to get a ?recipe? from the Mod ones a day. I also received a one time Vig-shot at the fist night and I think you know already where it came from.
Any questions?
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So Dormio thinks that it is time for Dormio to outline all of Dormio's thoughts!
Dormio will first adopt Affinity's will and believe that I Have No Name is most likely formed of nothing but absolute malice!
Dormio is also currently highly suspicious of Huh What!
Dormio thinks that the final scum may be hiding within Rawr, but Dormio is not entirely sure!
I also received a one time Vig-shot at the fist night and I think you know already where it came from.
Dormio does know where this came from!
I'm Champloo and a Vanilla Townie with the ability to get a ?recipe? from the Mod ones a day.
Any questions?
Dormio wonders if Rawr or Huh What have anything similar to this!
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i can post a fake command and schezo will pm me some music from a game i've never played
i've avoided using it until today because i saw some other people doing something similar and figured that if scum has fakeclaims or even a goon then it's basically signalling "HI I'M A VT"
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Dormio will first adopt Affinity's will and believe that I Have No Name is most likely formed of nothing but absolute malice!
i don't think affinity was crumbing a cop scan on ihnn, if that's what you're implying, given that at the end of the day he randomly pushed rawr in a way that sounded like rawr was scummier
tbh at that point if i had a guilty on ihnn i would've just claimed the cop scan since nobody was listening but i don't know how affinity plays power roles
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it seems more likely that affinity got a town scan on bt since he stopped that push for no apparent reason after believing in it pretty strongly d1
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hmm, he did press bt a couple times still though so idk
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Dormio will first adopt Affinity's will and believe that I Have No Name is most likely formed of nothing but absolute malice!
No need to let personal bias adjust your reads, you read me as scum every game :V
Anyways I claim Fenrich, Vanilla Townie. I can also post an Eavesdrop command to get some music from the games. Haven't bothered to since I can just go listen to them on my own if I want to :V
Like, say, this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t87oCPHwLY0).
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Anyways I claim Fenrich, Vanilla Townie. I can also post an Eavesdrop command to get some music from the games. Haven't bothered to since I can just go listen to them on my own if I want to :V
Like, say, this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t87oCPHwLY0).
?????????
that seems Questionable since my command basically does the same thing, unless i just get axel's theme every time or something (it only works once per day so i can't really check until tomorrow)
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i don't think affinity was crumbing a cop scan on ihnn, if that's what you're implying, given that at the end of the day he randomly pushed rawr in a way that sounded like rawr was scummier
tbh at that point if i had a guilty on ihnn i would've just claimed the cop scan since nobody was listening but i don't know how affinity plays power roles
it sounded more like he copped NNR
final scum may be hiding within Rawr
ew
also i dont get any music pm'd to me :(
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why would you cop a claimed miller though, ever
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i thought death miller implied that he would flip scum on death?
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And yes I do indeed flip scum on cop scans and my flip, before someone asks me to confirm.
nevermind i forgot about this
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do you guys think we have a sk
the two unclaimed people both thought serela was obvtown
it's possible affinity was a sk shot and scum hit a vest, or scum found out he was cop and they both shot him
note that this would mean either there were 2 scum or nnr was legit maf
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Why would the sk kill serela though? or do sk usually kill random targets around here?
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i have no idea but i have no idea why scum would kill serela either and nobody wants to claim the vig
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for what it's worth, i still don't think nnr was scum either way. he read like town!nnr to me all game and his reaction to dorian being about to vig him is the sort of self-absorbed townie rage i expect from him. plus aside from me just generally being able to read him i didn't find his posts scummy
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NNR can't have been scum, we wouldn't be in LYLO. There also can't be an SK because we wouldn't be in LYLO.
I apologize for not being here yesterday (I was 3 hours off on deadline) and for being here late today (I just got internet back and am writing this hurriedly because I don't know if it'll cut out again). I am obviously Rozalin, with the ability to ##Bitch at people in the day, making me Vanilla Town. However, during Night 1 I was given a Robe and Wizard's Hat. I'm guessing even though I haven't read that none of you claimed to do that, because with Dormio being a gunsmith I'm pretty sure Conq as a blacksmith gave me the outfit. This should also explain half of why I didn't think Dorian was a dayvig and that instead someone gave him the gun. The other obvious half is that Bardiche would never have replaced out as a dayvig if he could have just shot huh what.
I am pounding my head at the irony that at first I thought Dormio was crumbing a cop result on Affinity, until his comment about Dorian. Since Dormio is an innocent PR and lived, scum probably knew what Affinity was during Day 2. (kind of explains why no one was willing to wagon him with us actually, scum wouldn't want him to out his results.) I'll be taking a few minutos to read through the day so far. For now have some vote counts. I've even let my name in regular colors because I felt so guilty about putting it in green as scum last time and want to break my meta. (I'm still town though so tumut )
Day 1
BT (4): Conq, NekoNekoRex, Affinity, Drrawr
Shadoweh (1): PX
PX (1): Shadoweh
Ihavenoname (1): Serela
Conq (1): BT
NekoNekoRex (2): Dormio, Dorian
Serela (3): Hero999, ihavenoname, Huh What
BT (3): NekoNekoRex, Affinity, Drrawr
Shadoweh (1): PX
PX (2): Shadoweh, Conq
Ihavenoname (1): Serela
NekoNekoRex (3): Dormio, Dorian, BT
Serela (3): Hero999, ihavenoname, Huh What
BT (2): Affinity, Drrawr
Shadoweh (1): PX
PX (6): Shadoweh, Conq, Huh What, Dorian, BT, NekoNekoRex, Dormio (Deported)
Ihavenoname (1): Serela
Serela (2): Hero999, ihavenoname
Day 2
Shadoweh (3): BT, Hero999, Drrawr L-2
Ihavenoname (1): Affinity
Affinity (2): Dormio, Shadoweh
Hero999 (3): Dorian, Huh What, Ihavenoname L-2
Shadoweh (1): Drrawr
Affinity (3): Dormio, Shadoweh, Hero999
Hero999 (5): Dorian, Huh What, Ihavenoname, Affinity, BT (Deported)
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you forgot the ed1 wagon with everybody on me but bard being green, which is enough to make me want to revisit that case
i'm waiting on bt's claim. after school tomorrow i'll pour a bunch of effort into this game since it's lylo and all
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There also can't be an SK because we wouldn't be in LYLO.
if we mislynched then it could possibly guarantee kingmaker, and schezo doesn't note differences between lylo
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though honestly i have no idea how lylo warnings work in that situation? which is why i never host games with sks
i dunno i guess it doesn't matter, lynch the scums
if dorian is town then i'm going to be absolutely pissed about that d1 wagon postgame :(
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what do you think would make sense as affinity's n1 result, shadoweh?
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I think if he had a guilty on IHNN he would have pushed it harder, but I'm going to reread him to make sure there isn't a Dan-level obv clue there.
it's possible affinity was a sk shot and scum hit a vest, or scum found out he was cop and they both shot him
Why would an SK shoot someone who was being wagoned anyways, over say, you?
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i'd probably be NKed :T
i didn't really think about the wagon thing when posting that
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I kind of want to say Affinity scanned me since he voiced literally no suspicion of me even though he'd have reason to look at me after ED1
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wait a minute right now im completely confused by dorians and dormios roles right now. dormio could you explain yours?
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Dormio wonders what is not to get!
Dormio gives one of Dormio's many toys away whenever Dormio feels like it!
Then whoever Dormio gave the toy to gets to play with Dormio's toys during the day!
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Adell, VT. I can kick the tar out of demons barehanded but apparently all I can do here is be a ##Mofo.
LYLO means NNR wasn't scum which is just fabulous. Still don't think Dorian is scum though.
I'm good with the Die IHNN notion.
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I see that I wasn't quick lynched while I slept, nor was anyone else, so far so good.
I have to agree with Dormio, IHNN is the best choice for the lynch. His lurking has method, as Affinity said: ?laying low but not too low?. His opinion are as thin as his presence and, as much as I still like my case on NNR do I have to say that, he were quite too easy convinced. That he claimed de facto the same as the one before him is just the icing on the cake.
About the SK speculation, I think an additional scum NK would be more likely to explain Serelas death and Affinity isn't a odd choice considering the possibility of a protective role.
Why would an SK shoot someone who was being wagoned anyways, over say, you?
Indeed Shadoweh, why did you do that? Serela were just too cute in his little wafflehouse.
Seriously, an SK needs to take care that he doesn't hit town ?too hard?, cause he would end up in same uncomfortable situation as we (town) are in right now. But I'm still not buying it, see above.
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Thinking about the game before school, I suspect my priorities will be IHNN > Dorian > rawr > BT > Shadoweh or somesuch.
Decided Shadoweh is playing too much to the beat of her own drum this game to really read scum. Not doing enough to avoid negative attention.
IHNN claiming the same vanilla power as me confuses me. It could be modWIFOM, but given that he never even brought it up until the claim and ignored how I claimed the same thing entirely (seriously, that didn't even seem a bit odd to you?) he makes sense as scum who made it up without reading my post.
Question to Dorian, how were NNR's reactions to you scum-minded?
I'll go in detail after school but will be home later than usual.
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I think that I said it here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg934925.html#msg934925) already but let me try to rephrase those two lines to make it clear what I saw in them.
?Scum in general are going to have weaker cases because they're hunting town, and have to convince town that one of their own is scum, whether there's actually anything worth convicting or not.?
Scum in general are going to have weaker cases because they're hunting town, and are therefore more likely to adapt what happened to their interpretation (misrepresent) instead of interpreting what happened.
?Why WOULDN'T I write a case that puts favor on what I'm saying, as ANY alignment??
Why shouldn't I write a case that looks good no matter if my points are true or not?
I guess that makes it clear, now allow me to ask the other way around. I'm not really a ?Gut-player? and I can only speculate about the feelings of others, so what was so town about his ?rage? that it couldn't have been a feint meant to scare me away?
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oh my god. I'm rereading Day 2 and I have been trying to figure out why Affinity spent the entire day literally ignoring me when I voted him. Fuck.
Why still Shadoweh over me etc.), that Shadoweh is being a parrot and for all her terrible word:content ratio, I don't find her suspicious? Can we just lynch rawr instead, for saying something smart but one-off with regards to Shadoweh (not really following up on her response regarding the PX thing D1), for his very limited range, and for his constant reference to me as some magical pivot point?
##Unvote
##Vote: rawr
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This is really not useful to me. I hate power roles. But right now it is honestly hard to miss. Dormio is town. If I'm still willing to extend my townie branch to Dorian, there's only one other person alive who can't be scum. The early wagon on BT was made up of all town. Scum!rawr could have been jumping on for last minute cred. It's a question of whether scum spread out early (BT huh what Rawr), if the scum were willing to stick together (ihnn and huh what) or if literally the entire scum team piled onto PX (huh what dorian bt this probably didn't happen). I guess the real question is if I feel like losing to scum what again or if he's actually town.
huh what: I don't think the ed1 wagon on you was in votecounts, but I probably discounted it for being made up of lulz.
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Dormio wonders what is not to get!
Dormio gives one of Dormio's many toys away whenever Dormio feels like it!
Then whoever Dormio gave the toy to gets to play with Dormio's toys during the day!
does this mean you didnt give the gun to anyone last night?
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Dormio wonders why DrRawr wants to know so much about Dormio!
Dormio was too busy playing with the prinnys last night to give away any of Dormio's toys!
Even though Dormio hates Shadoweh, Dormio still doesn't want to see Shadoweh die!
Dormio still thinks that Huh What is evil!
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Dormio wonders why DrRawr wants to know so much about Dormio!
Dormio was too busy playing with the prinnys last night to give away any of Dormio's toys!
Even though Dormio hates Shadoweh, Dormio still doesn't want to see Shadoweh die!
Dormio still thinks that Huh What is evil!
im just wondering because no one claimed to have a vig and was wondering if you were roleblocked or something
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No votes yet
48 hours left
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Dormio wonders if I Have No Name intends to post any time soon!
Dormio also wonders why Dormio doesn't just vote for I Have No Name...
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Oh, deadlines, that's cool.
##Vote IHNN
A few things I have in mind.
Shadoweh: Rank your scumspects. That earlier runthrough of scenarios is some serious PoE when you didn't even seem to consider HW before. Also:
Also if you will note I've been sticking to my reads from earlier in general. What's happened since then is Dormio has gotten cuter, Affinity has stayed eh, Hero has become the scum of the earth, Rawr has shot up in my 'doesn't give a fuck but at least is trying to find scum' meter (huh what if you really think he's scum I might trust you on it, but I'd expect the kind of confidence in it as when you shot him..) and that's all I wish to commit on at this moment.
What actions of his is this referring to?
(This quote is the last mention of HW before the PoE if anyone wants to know where I'm coming from with this)
HW: How strong are you townreading Shadoweh? First Conq did this and now you and I don't have hi-tech Shadowreading powers.
Dorian:
Indeed Shadoweh, why did you do that? Serela were just too cute in his little wafflehouse.
Seriously, an SK needs to take care that he doesn't hit town ?too hard?, cause he would end up in same uncomfortable situation as we (town) are in right now. But I'm still not buying it, see above.
I think I lost you. What do you think about the SK thing and what do you think about Shadoweh?
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Dormio wonders if I Have No Name intends to post any time soon!
nah
You're all going to lynch me anyway regardless of what I do like Ten Desires Mafia D1 so I'm not going to devote my entire day and night and day and night and day to trying to prevent the inevitable.
Besides I can use the time spent not posting in Mafia to do homework.
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Dormio will say that I Have No Name can do whatever I Have No Name wants then!
##Vote I Have No Name
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How about 3 reads?
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Dormio wonders why DrRawr wants to know so much about Dormio!
Dormio was too busy playing with the prinnys last night to give away any of Dormio's toys!
Even though Dormio hates Shadoweh, Dormio still doesn't want to see Shadoweh die!
Dormio still thinks that Huh What is evil!
I still heart you too you crazy boy. Who don't you want to see die besidese me Dormyon?
BT: What point is there in ranking right now? Tthere's only one person left in my mind who isn't scum. All there's left to decide is who it is. Or to like twiddle my thumbs until IHNN gets quicklynched if he's the townie I supose. BT, do you realize that from my perspective you and huh what can't be town together right now?
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Who does Dormio want to die?
Dormio wants to see I Have No Name die!
Dormio wants to see Huh What die!
Dormio isn't sure if Dormio wants to see BT or Dr Rawr die!
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im ok with killing huhwhat if were talking about it. i do find it pretty strange how he hasnt tried getting me killed in some way
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BT, do you realize that from my perspective you and huh what can't be town together right now?
We can and probably are because your read on Dorian is baseless shit tbh.
I think it's rawr / Dorian / IHNN, post incoming, maybe. I would seriously rather just sleep.
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Dormio thinks that we should lynch I Have No Name right now and be done with it!
Dormio doesn't think that today's lynch will change and Dormio thinks that talking tomorrow will be better!
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I would but baseless lylo votes are a huge scumtell for me imo
Then you think it's Dorian/IHNN/Rawr, huh what?
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No I clearly don't think the scumteam is the scumteam I mentioned in my post.
I lined out a huge case on Dorian in my head while showering this morning but maybe it'll be factually inaccurate when I re-read.
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Dormio would like to take this opportunity to say that Dormio really wants to see Huh What die!
Dormio will make another post later about why if Dormio notices that the day hasn't ended by then!
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It's like you want me to hammer IHNN early so scum can shoot you before you tarnish my good name. :colbert:
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Eh, I had some case where Affinity probably town-scanned me based on stuff that was said in the Adorable Mafia graveyard, but that was apparently IHNN and not me. I still think I'm probably his N1 clear based on him ignoring me for no apparent reason after ED1, for whatever that's worth coming from me. <_<
Anyway, thoughts on other players.
Shadoweh
Already explained read. Doesn't look like she's trying to keep attention off of her, with weird moves like the Affinity gut vote and a general lack of appeasement. Seems more aggressive than reactionary, too, and I don't see her shooting Conq N1 when he had her down as super-town. Bugs me here and there but I guess it's not a scummy sort of bug and if she somehow is maf she's done a good job of abusing her own meta. Though even if she was doing that I'd expect her play here to be more like her scumplay from C7D. Oh wait.
BT
Doesn't seem to fit into any scumteams. Consider the following:
BT / Dorian: BT obviously thinks scum can't mislynch the death miller D1 since he doesn't try pushing until other players do... so he lets Dorian do the pushing instead, for a wagon of 2 scum and 1 town when most other players don't want a NNR lynch? Buh? This is beyond stupid given that scum would need a counterwagon for BT at this point.
BT / rawr: D1, rawr has every reason to vote Affinity based on precedent, but swing votes the wagons toward BT anyway. Based on refuge in audacity sheeping, which makes rawr look awful if BT doesn't flip first. Sure, bussing is a thing, but in a BT / rawr / ? scumteam, the policy vig target is prooobably not the one doing the bussing, especially when he could easily push another case and D1 scum wagons tend to fall apart when not solid.
BT / Shadoweh: Shadoweh is town and if she were somehow scum then BT shouldn't be opening up D2 with a bus when his post was late enough in the day to see that nobody really wanted to lynch her. I guess that's not implausible, but again, I feel strongly enough about Shadoweh-town that I'm probably fucking this up if I'm wrong about it anyway.
I GUESS BT / rawr / IHNN could be maaaybe plausible if you want to push the basis that rawr is unpredictable and I'm overthinking bus votes like in adorbs maf? But even then, I haven't had a serious problem with BT's posts all game and his play has seemed mostly solid to me.
Though, while IHNN / BT don't have any strong dissociative tells, IHNN dismissing BT / Conq as town/town without any further thought makes me think he'd be telling the truth as scum based on his general level of scum play.
If I wanted to ask him for clarity about anything, it'd be why he never pushed IHNN after his initial contentpost on D2, and why he wanted to hammer Hero early without a claim.
rawr
A comprehensive case on rawr can't really be made because he's done jack shit this game, but, well, he's done jack shit this game. Hasn't seemed to be paying attention either which is seriously rawr's #1 scumtell as far as I'm concerned. From play without flips alone he's probably scummier than IHNN.
Him fishing for whether Dormio gave out a gun or not (which town shouldn't care about) gives me IMP vibes, too.
IHNN
Already explained weird stuff about he and I having the same vanilla claim. IHNN strikes me as the sort of dude who would nitpick at that if he were town but he ignored my action entirely??? Which is tbh more telling than us actually having the same action.
Aside from that, this made me want to lynch him after Shadoweh brought up scum not wanting Affinity to out his reads yesterday:
Guys, we aren't lynching Affinity today.
I dunno how much more blatant you can get. But even if Affinity wasn't the cop, IHNN was defending a lynch target without actually doing anything to move off the lynch. This is how scum buddies mislynch wagons. It's especially weird since Affinity had found IHNN scummy all day but that didn't unnerve IHNN about Affinity at all.
Rest of his play isn't really impressive; I honestly thought it leaned newb!town compared to the rest of the useless fucks in the game but he actually has done scummy shit with flips in mind and I'd lynch him on PoE plus his effortless white knight end-of-D2 post alone. Also his reaction to BT's vote is lmao not a town LYLO post. I'm fine lynching this.
Dorian
Misc. scummy shit:
D2 - Goes from thinking Shadoweh mildly suspicious at start of day with no comment on Hero to having a vote on Hero's wagon while saying nothing about the booming Shadoweh wagon at the end of the day. ???????
What's actually bugging me a lot:
Okay, so town vigs like shooting their #1 scumreads, that's understandable.
Except Dorian gunned for the lynch of Hero who arguably deserved a vig more immediately after the shot, with no consideration of even shooting a scummy-inactive weak player before the vig. Hell, there wasn't even any mention of Hero until after NNR bit it. It's like he was aiming for one easy kill followed by another. Especially bugs me given the above Shadoweh disconnect.
I have to ask Dorian: what could NNR have really said that would have made you feel better about him? You asked for last reads and a claim, but you seemed intent on killing NNR regardless.
If scum!Dorian just shoots NNR, it's easy for him to justify from town!Dorian's PoV, gives town WIFOM in the form of a death miller flip, and given that Dorian would prooooobably be buddies with one of rawr / IHNN, prevents him from drawing attention to how he shot the weak player that wasn't his buddy, etc.
This is basically one way I see scum handling a dayvig. Compare Dormio shooting Dan over PX in IMP.
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also i'm set on an ihnn lynch today, i really don't see him as town after he compared lylo to a day 1 mislynch of all things but maybe we want to talk before he self-hammers so i'm not voting him yet
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surprisingly i think i'd actually like to lynch rawr LAST despite expecting to want him dead the most coming into the day, because it's possible i'm just kidding myself about my bt read or something. idk, adorable mafia day 4 ptsd
though if shadoweh really is bp then scum would have to kill one of me and them if we rolled scum!ihnn-dorian anyway
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Dormio seemed to want to say things. Since there hasn't been a quicklynch and Dormio is voting IHNN he's p much scum at this point. I am so terrified of thinking you have good points. I do have to ask though: huh what are you a serial killer that shot a bp last night or something
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I thought you were the BP? This should answer itself.
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i think shes asking if youre a cereal killer and shot a bp that wasnt shadoweh
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what bp would there be for me to shoot?
i'm town either way, not even gonna refuge in audacity this
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Did you just suggest shooting me ;-; huh what I will point out that I don't believe as scum you would ever do that anyways
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no i'm saying that you should know if you were shot (and also that since you were the bp there's no way i would have shot the bp)
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I will accept your reasoning for now. I don't think the flaws in it are worth bringing up. IHNN you know what would be cool if you could vote yourself and have a breakdown ala Phoenix Wwright plx
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##Vote: Me
##Unvote
##Vote: Dormio
##Unvote
:3
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Oh dear, I see a lot of things I should address and I'm not sure where to begin.
I see IHNN still isn't quick lynched, what makes me quite comfortable with my pick. And I can only hope that this doesn?t changes while I'm writing this. When I think about it, a quick lynch is quite unlikely at this time of the day (RL day not game day) so I think that I have some time at last.
First, yes I found Shadoweh mildly suspicious at start of the day but I haven't found anything to support this suspicion, and this has not changed till now, ergo nothing to talk about.
Second, about the vig shoot I can say that I spend the major part of night thinking about the miller and how to get clarity about it as I received the gun. And the only reason why I didn't announced my intention to vig NNR right away was that I considered it as fake, earnestly it was a bloody Squirtgun, so I decided to ignore it till Dormio indication.
Long story short, I was till NNR flipped not sure if I really vig him or just pull of a Mod enforced cake-vig-gambit.
To be honest I'm not sure what could have changed my mind about him, maybe some attempts to put down thoughts about the game, maybe an attempt to convince me of a better target or general that he wasn't scum. Well in retrospect do I think that I may have overdid it with my poker face determination but it's takes some acting skills to convince someone that he's about to be viged if youself aren't convinced of it at all.
So much to my charisma break today, now I have to wonder myself wasn't it you who suggested the policy vig in the first place? You were there at the time too and I don't remember that you had any objections with it nor that you suggested a Hero, who were your first priority at said time, as an alternative target.
And I can't say that I see your comparison with Dormios shoot in Imp. I mean your criticize that I didn't considered other targets than my ?#1 scumread? and then you compare it with someone who clearly shoot his second priority over the fist. How is that the same?
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Now back to finding scum, if I presume IHNN scum flip then I have to say that IHNN/Rawr/Shadoweh makes a terrifying lot of sense. That IHNN put Rawr on the same level as Affinity instead of jumping on him like on Serela(day1) and Hero(day2) speaks for itself.
And I could see Rawrs (day2) Shadoweh vote as lazy busing, so I looked back and found that Shedoweh had no opinion about IHNN till her recent PoE post and her opinion about Rawr is also thin.
There are still two things that doesn't want to fit into the picture. Why has Shadoweh not bused her little buddies into the ground by now. And way is HW still alive?
Geez, that's not a game anymore, it's just plain paranoid guesswork.
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Also:
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What actions of his is this referring to?
Answer this, Shadoweh.
I think I'll do some mass reading soon but time constraints are killing me. At least this day is as good as done lynch-wise.
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I don't remeber? It's just a general sense that I got reading over his posts. He seemed honestly confused (which huh what is saying is his scumtell so) but it still doesn't strike me as off so it's kind of weirding me out.
Now back to finding scum, if I presume IHNN scum flip then I have to say that IHNN/Rawr/Shadoweh makes a terrifying lot of sense.
no
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I'm not too fond of it either, but I was actually hoping for a bit more of a response than this.
Also, I know had forgotten something:
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Dorian:I think I lost you. What do you think about the SK thing and what do you think about Shadoweh?
The SK thing is quite speculative and I don't really consider it without further evidence. And Shadoweh is null by herself, the struck through line were just a joke.
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Is it still cool to say c c c c combo breaker???
Dorian (0):
BT (0):
Shadoweh (0):
Dormio (0):
Ihavenoname (2): BT, Dormio L-2
Drrawr (0):
HuhWhat (0):
Not Voting: Huh What, Shadoweh, Drrawr, Dorian
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch
24 Hours Left
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I'm about to call it a day, staring at the topic for hours doesn't makes it any better. But before I go here is where I stand:
Dorian: Town
BT: Likely Town
Shadoweh: Null/Scum by PoE
Dormio: Confirmed Town
Ihavenoname: Scum
Drrawr: Likely Scum
HuhWhat: Likely Town
I have to say that it bothers me without end that Shadoweh is still a null read, I'll reread her if I get the chance tomorrow till then.
Good night
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I'm not too fond of it either, but I was actually hoping for a bit more of a response than this.
I'm not sure how you could think this in the first place since from your point of view I short-handed both my teammates into a short list of people to lynch and freaked out on people for not shooting them.
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When did Dormio say that Dormio would post?
Dormio is not sure!
But here is Dormio with a post!
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And Dormio then appears with another post!
But Dormio thinks that this post will be short!
This is because Dormio thinks that Dormio doesn't need to waste Dormio's words on I Have No Name!
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Dormio's third post!
Dormio is on a roll!
But what Dormio wants to see roll is actually Huh What's head!
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Dormio thinks that Dormio is alone in the opinion that Huh What should die!
So Dormio will attempt to fix that with Dormio's words!
Dormio thinks that Dormio should start at the beginning to do this!
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##Vote I have no name
You'd better hurry up before IHNN quickhammers then :smug:
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So Dormio will present Dormio's thoughts about Huh What's first day!
But before that, since Dormio has lots of time right now, Dormio can just do this!
##Unvote
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lame :(
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So much to my charisma break today, now I have to wonder myself wasn't it you who suggested the policy vig in the first place? You were there at the time too and I don't remember that you had any objections with it nor that you suggested a Hero, who were your first priority at said time, as an alternative target.
Wanted NNR's reaction before juggling other potential targets since I find him an easy read and could probably interpret it. But then you shot him while I wasn't around.
I am kinda curious why you pointed this contradiction out and went on to list me as "likely town" in your next post.
And I can't say that I see your comparison with Dormios shoot in Imp. I mean your criticize that I didn't considered other targets than my ?#1 scumread? and then you compare it with someone who clearly shoot his second priority over the fist. How is that the same?
I'm making this comparison based on that when the time to shoot came Dormio just went ahead and vigged Dan with no further justification or explanation of his priorities, even though his scumbuddies were both vig bait. Yeah, it's not a perfect parallel since you didn't suspect IHNN, but it's questionable for similar reasons.
dormio sux
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You didn't say you were going to post Dormio but I just wanted to make sure you were going to so I could cut you
Am I cutting you Dormio?
Also I suggested it on Day 1 in response to BT's wishes to lynch NNR. I don't think it was the best option even then. He wasn't that bad and if not for the role that he himself outted it seemed like you wouldn't have had reason to shoot him.
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Was looking over IHNN for interactions but they're super sparse.
Shadoweh and HW are really obvtown right now
It looks like either Shadoweh or Hero, and I can't say I agree with the Shadoweh wagon. I don't get the arguments used here.
All I can really find with Shadoweh. If I were to force an interpretation I'd say IHNN "didn't get the argument" because he knew Shadoweh was town. No motivation to comprehend cases if they're on a scumbuddy. Plus he grouped Shadoweh in with me and townies 4 lyfe etc.
Dorian / IHNN consists only of Dorian questioning IHNN twice. Otherwise, the slots barely provide thoughts on eachother besides these:
Also, it can't be a good thing that IHNN so constantly slips my mind, I could actually agree with Affinitys case on him but he's hardly my main concern at the moment.
Bard...is it fair to push the playerslot for what Bard did? This is a serious question because I honestly don't know how to deal with this scenario. I don't like the deliberate L-1 vote, though I suppose if no harm was thought to come of it it's ok? Idk, again, not too much experience with someone at L-1 within 6 hours.
...which boil down to excuses not to read the other player. I'm not really impressed but it's not horrible. So IHNN / Dorian fit as both scum/scum and scum/town because wow it's fucking nothing. I can still see Dorian avoiding shooting outside of NNR for priority reasons, but I would think that'd be more to avoid having to shoot rawr given Dorian's D1 comment about rawr being totally unreadable.
Points for rawr / IHNN would be IHNN voting Hero for being easy-bad but ignoring rawr doing the same thing, which is comparable to him tarring rawr and not Chaore. He also said rawr's D1 stuff was "decent" (when rawr's D1 was just sheeping and an original case that rawr didn't vote on and later took back) but put him on the lynching priorities anyway. Only real point for BT / IHNN would be BT making a decent case on IHNN but never pushing it until today - the LYLO IHNN vote is null since IHNN was on his way out anyway and BT didn't put much effort into it. That said I don't think it was particularly stronger than what he had on Shadoweh so it doesn't look that awful to me.
IHNN buddy priorities would go rawr > BT / Dorian > Shadoweh at the moment. Would give scum-Dorian the slight edge over BT, though. I'd rather just sort them out based on individual scumtells since their IHNN interactions are pretty null imo, unless somebody can interpret those interactions better than I can.
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Shadoweh what are ur reads
it's not like they're going to affect scum's nightkill choice since we have a confirmed town and you're bp
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Totally worthless since we're getting his flip anyway, but idle speculation makes me wonder if IHNN has Serp's role from Invasion, explaining the Serela kill choice (assuming no SK).
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IHNN buddy priorities would go rawr > BT / Dorian > Shadoweh
i would think BT would be pretty much town for placing his vote on ihnn if he flipped scum. unless he wanted to get his scum buddy for some reason?
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But before that, since Dormio has lots of time right now
Dormio was not counting on being called out!
Dormio is surprised!
But now Dormio will begin!
Firstly, Dormio needs to talk about what Dormio thought of Huh What's first play!
Dormio seeing Huh What mimic PX gave Dormio a very bad feeling!
Dormio also thinks that Huh What tends to joke around more when Huh What is scum!
Dormio just gets a bad feeling from this part!
Dormio also knows that Dormio thought that something was wrong with what Dormio saw in Huh What voting PX but Dormio doesn't really remember why!
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Dormio seeing Huh What mimic PX gave Dormio a very bad feeling!
not provable but i wanted to do that regardless of alignment so yeah
"huhwhat jokes around more as scum" is based more on my mood than alignment but i think i've fucked around like, twice this game?
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Dormio also thinks that Huh What referring to I Have No Name a lot during the second day was weird!
Dormio thinks that Huh What was somewhat lazy, or whichever word that Dormio is actually looking for, throughout the second day!
Dormio doesn't know!
Dormio isn't sure!
Dormio just has a very bad feeling about Huh What!
not provable but i wanted to do that regardless of alignment so yeah
"huhwhat jokes around more as scum" is based more on my mood than alignment but i think i've fucked around like, twice this game?
Dormio doesn't care!
Dormio has a bad feeling about Huh What!
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There were also many things that Dormio didn't like in the third day!
Dormio disliked Huh What trying to immediately spin Affinity's actions as clearing Huh What!
Dormio is also very curious about Huh What's attitude switch on I Have No Name during this day!
Dormio thinks that Huh What will try to counter this point by saying that Huh What has been claiming that I Have No Name was bad throughout the game but Dormio thinks that there was never intent to lynch until now!
Dormio also does not like all the chatter about how the squirtgun was handled!
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i have a bad feeling about your face ur dum i want the old choker joker back
the only mention of ihnn you could argue was "awkward" was me calling him out for not voting. commenting on the serela wagon and commenting on the vote targets is totally reasonable and not really excessive. the question to affinity shouldn't need to be explained, i was leaning scum on affinity and thought hero was scum while ihnn was newbtown, so i wanted him to clarify his priorities
i was really obviously -not- planning on lynching ihnn the entire game because up until affinity's flip i thought he was newbtown. :T i flipflopped on him due to what was in that wallpost with the reads a couple pages ago. he had a bad defense of affinity + weird reaction to us having the same claim
trying to spin affinity's actions as clearing me is a total NULL TELL cuz as scum i'd have a quicktopic with buddies who i could ask to push that for me. this would seem a lot more credible than me bringing it up myself. the exception would be if you want to argue no daytalk but seriously, don't kid yourself (source: PoR)
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actually, the "not wanting to lynch ihnn until affinity's flip" is sort of documented since i asked rawr to claim before ihnn at the start of the day, which was before i had formulated new reads
for whatever "i didn't want to lynch scum" is worth :2pro:
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i would think BT would be pretty much town for placing his vote on ihnn if he flipped scum. unless he wanted to get his scum buddy for some reason?
how would this be different from an ordinary bus
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Dormio doesn't really care!
Dormio's gut says that Huh What is scum so Dormio will trust in Dormio's gut!
##Vote I Have No Name
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i'm not really trying to convince you since the odds of you surviving tonight are ridiculously low, but if the points are out there i might as well post a rebuttal
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Did somebody say
MYSTERY? LEVELGRINDING?
Dorian (0):
BT (0):
Shadoweh (0):
Dormio (0):
Ihavenoname (2): BT, HuhWhat, Dormio L-1
Drrawr (0):
HuhWhat (0):
Not Voting: Shadoweh, Drrawr, Dorian
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch
IHNN is at L-1
18 Hours Left
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##Vote: IHNN
Dormio is anti town btw :V
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Dorian (0):
BT (0):
Shadoweh (0):
Dormio (0):
Ihavenoname (4): BT, HuhWhat, Dormio, IHNN Deported
Drrawr (0):
HuhWhat (0):
Not Voting: Shadoweh, Drrawr, Dorian
No one likes you Fenrich... Oh wait a minute you aren't even Fenrich I forgot.
Well either way you did a terrible job plugging your own game as part of your contract so I'm shipping you the fuck off.
Ihavenoname, playing Gig the Mafia Intercepter has been lynched day 3.
It is now night 3. You have an undefined 18-24 Hours to send me your night actions because I'm very fickle.
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Desco, I know you like trying to be a final boss, but this just ain't happening. We'll hope to see you in the runner's up final boss show at a later time.
Dormio, playing Desco the Town Gunsmith was sent packing.
It's day 4 and LYLO. Desco wants you to do your best!
5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. 72 Hours.
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I'LL DO MY BEST DESCO!
Day 1
BT (4): Conq, NekoNekoRex, Affinity, Drrawr
Shadoweh (1): PX
PX (1): Shadoweh
Ihavenoname (1): Serela
Conq (1): BT
NekoNekoRex (2): Dormio, Dorian
Serela (3): Hero999, ihavenoname, Huh What
BT (3): NekoNekoRex, Affinity, Drrawr
Shadoweh (1): PX
PX (2): Shadoweh, Conq
Ihavenoname (1): Serela
NekoNekoRex (3): Dormio, Dorian, BT
Serela (3): Hero999, ihavenoname, Huh What
BT (2): Affinity, Drrawr
Shadoweh (1): PX
PX (6): Shadoweh, Conq, Huh What, Dorian, BT, NekoNekoRex, Dormio (Deported)
Ihavenoname (1): Serela
Serela (2): Hero999, ihavenoname
Day 2
Shadoweh (3): BT, Hero999, Drrawr L-2
Ihavenoname (1): Affinity
Affinity (2): Dormio, Shadoweh
Hero999 (3): Dorian, Huh What, Ihavenoname L-2
Shadoweh (1): Drrawr
Affinity (3): Dormio, Shadoweh, Hero999
Hero999 (5): Dorian, Huh What, Ihavenoname, Affinity, BT (Deported)
Hum, hum, hum. Hey Mr. Rawr, why did you go from voting BT for the entirely of Day 1 to dropping him when Conq (the person who's case you were sheeping) died and instead voting along with him on me?
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dormio sux
thoughts on rawr fitting as ihnn's scumbuddy the most haven't really changed. i'll hold off from voting in case somebody comes up with a mind-blowingly kickass case for bt/dorian/shadoweh+ihnn that convinces me though, or even one for anybody being scum individually
If I wanted to ask him for clarity about anything, it'd be why he never pushed IHNN after his initial contentpost on D2, and why he wanted to hammer Hero early without a claim.
bt needs to answer this
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Do you think BT as scum would have forced yesterday into an early 1 vs 1 with his partner? He voted him with 48 hours left (with a comment on deadlines that was kind of weird but okay)
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i got the impression he misread the deadline or something then voted early
i think it's a null tell. if bt is scum with ihnn then he was planning a bus from d2, it's not like he'd be worried about a quickhammer after voting his buddy, but if town bt thought deadline was coming (or was just feeling particularly confident / gutsy) and found ihnn to be obvscum then it's not really an unreasonable action
unless i'm horribly misreading you then i'm pretty sure rawr needs to be one of the scum. dorian / bt just makes no sense given how the bt - nnr wagons went down d1
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I supose the question is better posed to BT then, of why he do that. I would be mildly surprised if they were scum together though.
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do you still think dorian is town?
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He can't be scum if you and rawr are scum :)
I supose that depends on how much longer he tries to vote for me, but my belief isn't shaken yet.
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Hum, hum, hum. Hey Mr. Rawr, why did you go from voting BT for the entirely of Day 1 to dropping him when Conq (the person who's case you were sheeping) died and instead voting along with him on me?
because i cant sheep conq all of d1 if you get what i mean. also its Dr. Rawr to you, i didnt spend 8 years in medical school for nothing
tbh if huwhat isnt scum then its probably BT/Shadoweh and BT has just been bussing his scum buddies most game. most of d1 BT was just fooling around with conq and the nnr vote was pretty halfassed.
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im dum
fyi there was an implied "if so, why" at the end of that question
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you know, conq pretty much had to have been intercepted (http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?title=Interceptor), didn't he? serela was a vt and wouldn't be able to die due to ihnn's ability.
this means scum intentionally nightkilled serela (thought bt was super town) for... some reason and that conq (thought bt was scum) wouldn't have died without good luck on scum's part. which probably means they wanted bt around as a mislynch and conq dying wasn't intentional.
so yeah, i'm pretty sure it's rawr / dorian. i will wait for shadoweh's justification of town!dorian and probably re-read her just in case before voting or anything tho
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serela was a vt and wouldn't be able to die due to ihnn's ability.
you lost me here
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interceptor targets a player. the first other player to target that player dies. any others learn that the interceptor is a mafia interceptor.
serela can't target anybody, he's vt. so conq had to die as a result of ihnn intercepting shadoweh, while serela was targeted by the nightkill
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why would scum nk serela? that makes no sense
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wakarimasen lol
it's what the flips point to, though, unless you want to push scum interceptor and serial killer in the same game, in which case this set-up was a town loss from the start
i am gonna say that i can't see any team other than dorian / rawr / ihnn making that kill, though
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then again, shadoweh has to defend town!serela as long as he's alive so ???
i still have doubts she'd shoot him though
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i am gonna say that i can't see any team other than dorian / rawr / ihnn making that kill, though
says the guy who night killed pesco in angelbeats mafia
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pesco nk was "i'm scum locked into a masons claim with drrawr, how could i make my scum game be any more ridiculous (also he could be a power role or multiball scum so i'm totally still playing to win)". i'm not sure what situation in this game could drive scum!me to do the same thing, especially when serela was taking the game seriously
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im just pointing out im not the only one who does stupid things
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well, there's "make an oddball kill on a total wildcard for laughs" stupid and then there's "nightkill the guy you and your buddy are trying to mislynch for being scummy" stupid
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interceptor targets a player. the first other player to target that player dies. any others learn that the interceptor is a mafia interceptor.
serela can't target anybody, he's vt. so conq had to die as a result of ihnn intercepting shadoweh, while serela was targeted by the nightkill
Wow. I would not have known what Interceptor was if you hadn't pointed it out. Thanks for letting me know that I killed a PR because he visited me and making my gift feel like it's made out of blood.
I thought it was a role that would intercept items actually.
because i cant sheep conq all of d1 if you get what i mean. also its Dr. Rawr to you, i didnt spend 8 years in medical school for nothing
You did sheep Conq all of Day 1 though. On day 2 you voted me for :reasons: without mentioning BT. Were you just sheeping BT's case as well or something?
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im pretty sure i voted you first
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ok yea i double checked i voted you first, the vig just got rid of it
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also because it lylo there are 2 scum right?
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Yes Rawr, there are two scum. And you're right, you did vote for me first. Your case was that I was wrong Day 1 :V You still never mentioned BT again after. Who do you think the scum are at this point? I didn't see a why. :listening mode:
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Yes Rawr, there are two scum. And you're right, you did vote for me first. Your case was that I was wrong Day 1 :V You still never mentioned BT again after. Who do you think the scum are at this point? I didn't see a why. :listening mode:
you make it sound so bad :x. i also didnt mention alot of people after that so what? probably you and dorian are the last of the scums
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zzzzzz ill post why tomorrow its 1am
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I'mpretty sure I'm not scum though. Since when did you think Dorian was scum?
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Wow. I would not have known what Interceptor was if you hadn't pointed it out.
there was gonna be one in 10Ds but it made scum too overpowered :(
i'd still like an explanation for town!dorian because i do not see it!!
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I am kinda curious why you pointed this contradiction out and went on to list me as "likely town" in your next post.
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Well, I think that you could tell by now that I need a ?good reason? to change my mind about someone and a supposed contradiction in a otherwise reasonable case isn't good enough for me to reverse the town impression I got from you so far.
My lack of consideration of other targets could be indeed seen as troublesome, but what were there to consider? A player that didn't even started to made the slightest sense to me(Hero), a player that were mostly a blank page to me (Rawr) and a player that I didn't even had on my radar at said time (IHNN). Still nothing I would shoot over my fist scum pick that happened to have claimed a death miller. I mean my priorities were clear enough for Dormio to think that I would use the gun against NNR and I think that was his reason why he gave me the gun in the fist place.
I'm not sure how you could think this in the first place since from your point of view I short-handed both my teammates into a short list of people to lynch and freaked out on people for not shooting them.
That's the point my dear Shadoweh, that's exactly the point. Cause you didn't if you mean this list (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg934979.html#msg934979). You voted Affinity, supported a Hero lynch and you even took the only one (Rawr) from your list at the end of the day (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg935673.html#msg935673), IHNN was never on it to begin with.
I have to say that there something that troubles me even more, so tell me which post made you think that Dormio ?was crumbing a cop result on Affinity (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg936466.html#msg936466)??
Cause you also said it were obvious for you that I got the gun from someone, then I think it should have been also obvious for you where it came from. I mean our little exchange about it wasn't really that discreetly, and that Dormio coped Affinity and gave me the gun in the same night is kinda hard to believe, don't you think so?
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Did someone tell BT that he's not dead and needs to post to actually win the game? :|
Dorian: Randomly deciding you hate someone you've never mentioned before (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg934867.html#msg934867) in a post mentioning his little secret and following it up with a really small amount of reasoning (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg934877.html#msg934877) gave off the wrong impression to me. I mean, looking back it's obvious -now- that his little secret is he gave you a gun instead of me because I have no idea, but at the time it looked like 'VOTE AFFINITY HINT HINT'.
You know, I don't remember who convinced me that IHNN sounded like he was newbtown and should look back for those posts when I get home from work (which I had to be at 10 minutes ago so bye!)
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Dorian: Randomly deciding you hate someone you've never mentioned before (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg934867.html#msg934867) in a post mentioning his little secret and following it up with a really small amount of reasoning[/quote] (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg934877.html#msg934877)
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bt needs to answer this
a) I'm pretty sure there was nothing to push after that post, but anyway, he wasn't a priority to me (or to anyone else).
b) I was hoping he'd become pressured or something (instead of not posting at all... -_-). I wasn't going to hammer without a claim.
Did someone tell BT that he's not dead and needs to post to actually win the game? :|
That effortpost I was delaying for some time is going to happen today.
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When I think about it, that Interceptor role is quite a nasty thing. All you need is a educated guess and a bit of luck and you are bound to hit PRs, so I would think scum would do a lot to protect an Interceptor. I think even HW would agree with me that it's not unlikely that it was Serelas vote on IHNN that marked him for the night kill, not sure if it was the same motive behind the Affinity kill.
@ Shadoweh: That makes sense, but I still find it hard to believe that this impression hold the whole day. I mean have you never wondered, within your ?freak out?, about who gave me the gun?
Also, in the light of this new revelation about the fist night kill could you do me the favor and explain this line:
?Affinity is stealing my lines about guns and shooting people (100% original content not stolen from anyone do not steal) and other then Serela I can't say I disagree. Serela might be a good shot even if he's town <____< ...? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933981.html#msg933981)
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We're watching you dood. And we never blink... because we don't have eyelids, dood.
No votings yet.
~45 Hours left
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Shadoweh is bent on ignoring me apparently.
I don't have any response to the above posts, so this is basically a prod dodge. Can we lynch rawr yet?
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@shadoweh ill just list out why i think this in the shortest possible way
im pretty sure after the mass claim ihnn scum buddies had planned to bus him because all the town power roles had died. this is probably the reason why ihnn pretty much gave up on the game i would think. so right now im thinking BT is scum because the only people who had voted him prior to his igiveuppost was dormio and BT and we all know dormio was town(inb4 scum death miller).
dorian is probably town but the way he linked me-shadoweh-ihnn was craptacular. i also think the vig he pulled off was really scummy seeing as nnr was hmmmm i cant really think of a word for it, but i guess omgus voting people? which i guess avoided any town/scum nnr confusion.
shadoweh could be town i guess also but everyone who has said my "content was gud" has flipped red so far >.>
even though im pretty sure at this point huhwhat will never be the lynched ill just... yea w/e
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Shadoweh is bent on ignoring me apparently.
I don't have any response to the above posts, so this is basically a prod dodge. Can we lynch rawr yet?
I am having an exetential crisis involving being too afraid to read your posts for fear of brainwashing, also I was in a hurry, what post do you want me to answer?
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yeah huhwhat will never be lynched so you shouldn't even try.
i'm assuming ihnn gave up on the game because being at l-2 without quickhammer with one vote being from a confirmed town meant that he was confirmed scum. do you have any other reasons for suspecting bt?
if i were to assume you were town though then bt's buddy would have to be shadoweh because bt-dorian might as well have been AOKing a d1 scum lynch, and i still don't see a strong case for scum!shadoweh (though i am starting to :| at her obviously suspecting me but being too scared to press me on anything or push a case. worried you'd get lynched over me 1v1?)
shadoweh cut: explain town!dorian
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my main issue with dorian is that while i feel he hasn't done anything that reads like a major scumtell, he hasn't done anything i'd consider town either and there are a bunch of minor points here and there that irk me and while his defenses have been reasonable he still feels erghhhh
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i kinda think people are still assuming he's being town because of the dayvig, even though dormio could've targeted anybody. why would rawr randomly say "dorian is probably town" (unless he's scum faking an opinion obv)?
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@ Shadoweh: That makes sense, but I still find it hard to believe that this impression hold the whole day. I mean have you never wondered, within your ?freak out?, about who gave me the gun?
Also, in the light of this new revelation about the fist night kill could you do me the favor and explain this line:
?Affinity is stealing my lines about guns and shooting people (100% original content not stolen from anyone do not steal) and other then Serela I can't say I disagree. Serela might be a good shot even if he's town <____< ...? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933981.html#msg933981)
Yes, and I said that he was sending me mixed messages. Maybe I just felt weird about how easy the Hero999 lynch seemed to be chugging along and thought having another contender from my list was a good option. I am not clarvoyant and even if I think I know something I doubt it until I do.
As for the other line if I really have to explain to you why someone would express the sentiment that Serela even as town might be more dangerous alive I don't know what to tell you. Read some more games?
huh what: maybe it sounds stupid but I don't see why he'd be attacking me specifically this much as scum when he knows what kind of a psychotic I am. And I'm not afraid to 1 vs 1 with you. I'm afraid that I'm paranoid that I just want to see you as scum so I don't lose 'this time' and that it has nothing to do with your actions.
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I'm afraid that I'm paranoid that I just want to see you as scum so I don't lose 'this time' and that it has nothing to do with your actions.
this is kinda the impression you give me (and the impression dormio gave me yesterday) but that's mainly since nobody has done a thing to explain why i'm scum
i want to say "they ain't got shit 8)" but then that'd be hypocritical since i feel similarly about dorian. at least i have a shotgun attack case on him. i don't agree him attacking you is a towntell btw, how is it any better than the way bt and rawr pushed you? all three can't be town together unless we're secretly partying it up in a scum quicktopic right now
how are you reading rawr's recent posts?
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i actually think "vig maybe you should shoot serela even if he's town" is a towntell if not just null since it'd mean shadoweh then went on to shoot the guy the proposed as a vig target when scum want as many dead townies as possible
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i'm assuming ihnn gave up on the game because being at l-2 without quickhammer with one vote being from a confirmed town meant that he was confirmed scum. do you have any other reasons for suspecting bt?
im pretty sure ihnn gave up before dormio placed his vote on him and after bt made his vote.
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bt-dorian might as well have been AOKing a d1 scum lynch
i dont actually know what you mean by this part unless youre referring to nnr?
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I was attempting to answer that by actually reading rawr in the NHK and comparing but I kind of had something suddenly come up. I'll answer it once I get up tomorrow (don't work so should be able to post! o/)
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Vroom.
I read again and the only thing redeeming Rawr for me was his D2 Shadoweh vote, which really isn't a lot. He voted me D1 while disliking Affinity's me case, then proceeded to not mention me again after Conq switched to PX and died. Most of his D3 was questioning and now he's cycling between multiple reads.
because i cant sheep conq all of d1 if you get what i mean.
Thing is, it isn't a natural reaction to just forget I exist if you were sheeping someone that happened to die.
im pretty sure ihnn gave up before dormio placed his vote on him and after bt made his vote.
Make up your mind. You say the bus was planned so obviously IHNN was in on it but then apparently my vote made him give up?
The problem is figuring out who out of Dorian-Shadoweh-huhwhat is ~*~the scumbuddy~*~. Only thing pinging my gut about huhwhat is how he consistently separated IHNN from Hero, rawr and friends, but that also means it was unneeded most of the time, so those interactions are probably more town than scum to begin with. At the same time I'm getting all dumb and paranoid about Shadoweh; games like that one Affinity game (with the Dormio/Omba/rawr scumteam) come to mind. Also other things:
If I were to mark it through play I'd say Hero is the worst of all of them and look forward to more ##Bitching in that direction, but I'm not interested in going that way just yet. Just from what you pointed out I'd be interested in IHNN first actually, BOY I WISH WE HAD A VIG TO SORT THEM OUT.
For instance. Unless she felt like pushing an IHNN vig exclusively, this would make her have to vote IHNN in the case of the Hero wagon breaking down. So I looked into Dorian instead.
IHNN is a clear case of tunnel vision and his exchange with Serela isn't really that enlightening. It would be nice if you summarize your case against Serela cause I stared holes in your posts and still can't see it.
About Rawr I can say, if PX only pretends to play the game then Rawr does not even that. His one and only vote is admitted Sheeped and the only opinion he offers are BT=scum and Affinity=town without the slightest hint of a reason behind it and I would be only too willing to go with HWs lurckscum case if he were not such a complete shot into the dark.
This is pretty interesting. I'm thinking the comment on rawr is less likely from a buddy perspective but the comment on IHNN is definitely a classic no-opinion line.
just throwing this out here but....
this all could be some ploy by scum, NNR was actually a death miller and dorian the mafia day killing thing killed him to gain town cred.
Then I noticed this and I was going to backtrack again but considering this was AFTER the vig and that Dormio would claim/flip eventually, this is essentially a good way to gain cred if Dorian flipped scum.
Thing is, these are all interactions. I'm still a waffling wreck and there really isn't too much to go off of from the thread. If I had to make a choice right now I'd trust Town!Conq's and HW's Shadoweh reads and vote Dorian but I probably wouldn't be whole about it.
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my main issue with dorian is that while i feel he hasn't done anything that reads like a major scumtell, he hasn't done anything i'd consider town either and there are a bunch of minor points here and there that irk me and while his defenses have been reasonable he still feels erghhhh
I have to say that kinda hurts, but I had some moments lately where I could have said that the feeling were mutual. Paranoia is an bad adviser and ?if there is nothing I can pin him down as scum, then it maybe just means that he isn't scum?. That was at last my approach.
@BT: That's just great, if that is meant to kill the least bit of my motivation, then well done. Earnestly, so why haven't I pushed my supposed buddy to give me something I could gave him a clear for? Cause I can't remember that he did me the favor.
Also, why didn't Rawr voted me for it to maximize the town cred? I wasn't in any danger of getting lynched, his vote on Shadoweh were reset and it would improve the ?Rawr is scum hunting? impression. Maximum cred and minimal risk, so why did he went back to Shadoweh?
Even if I assume that I would flip scum before him, then what town cred could he hope to get out of this ?Hallo, I bused Dorian while vote parked on Shadoweh!? line?
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@BT: That's just great, if that is meant to kill the least bit of my motivation, then well done.
I don't really know how to respond to this.
Earnestly, so why haven't I pushed my supposed buddy to give me something I could gave him a clear for? Cause I can't remember that he did me the favor.
That isn't a necessity. Scum leave blank comments on their buddies because they don't want to push something and make others look at them. Aside from that, something tells me pushing Scum!IHNN wouldn't do much good, no offense to him.
Also, why didn't Rawr voted me for it to maximize the town cred? I wasn't in any danger of getting lynched, his vote on Shadoweh were reset and it would improve the ?Rawr is scum hunting? impression. Maximum cred and minimal risk, so why did he went back to Shadoweh?
Even if I assume that I would flip scum before him, then what town cred could he hope to get out of this ?Hallo, I bused Dorian while vote parked on Shadoweh!? line?
He'd be voting off of "guys maybe he's a scum dayvig", which isn't vote material. Going back to the Shadoweh vote was natural since people liked it (I'm pretty sure I wasn't the only one?).
He'd get cred for voicing the idea. Though, yeah, he was more likely to flip before you. Hmm.
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the scum dayvig was a joke >.>
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why would i go around yelling out what people roles could be?
D1- GUYS SHADOWEH IS THE COP SHE HAS A TOWN READ ON SOMEONE
also what kind of town cred would i be getting? i never brought it up again and dormio pretty much confirmed that wasnt it. hell, i even think dormio hinted it off before dorian announced he had a vig
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now he's cycling between multiple reads.
because it hard finding out whos scum with who and not involve huhwhat :|
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Anyway, back to Shadoweh cause a good attack is the best defense.
Shadowh, I haven't asked you why someone would say that about Serela, I asked you why you said it, cause it looks extremely out of place.
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PS: Serela seems alright so far
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Also the wagon on Serela is retarded dumb not smart bad and everyone on it (Including Serela? I assume that's huh what's vote) should feel bad and leave his derpiness alone.
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Serela = pretty Serelaey. I saw one of Conqq's arguments were 'Serela is using too many words to say stuff' when uh, using lots of words isn't the part where he's scummy. At the least he's trying to push more out, which he's not capable of sustaining as scum anyways. ...
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Affinity is stealing my lines about guns and shooting people (100% original content not stolen from anyone do not steal) and other then Serela I can't say I disagree. Serela might be a good shot even if he's town <____< ...
Dear vigilante who shot Serela instead of Hero or Rawr (you both can't have been the vig): I know it was Serela but god damnit! ...
So let me look at the list Affinity give out back then: ?Serela, IHNN, Hero999, PX, are still bleagh in general. If I had a gun I would shoot them all.? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933932.html#msg933932)
And I was wondering why you highlighted Serela here instead of Hero, or PX which you even voted? I looked for a reason why you would say that and I think I fund one (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933662.html#msg933662).
This is not only a major contradiction to the rest of your opinions it's also a contradiction to your stand on my vig shoot. To say that Serelas behavior could be dangerous for town even when he's town himself is one thing, I know his odd ways first handed, but to say that a death miller isn't a equal concern is hypocrisy pure. You said: ?I am not clarvoyant and even if I think I know something I doubt it until I do.? Again you didn't, BT already pointed out how unreasonable certain you were that I shoot a miller and not a goon at a point where we only could guessed what it was.
##Vote: Shadoweh
Is what I really want to do now, but we have still time and for better or worse we will use it, so ?
##Unvote
@HW: Do you still think that this line is a town tell?
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@BT: How you should respond to this? I would say, ?not at all?. I was just irritated by the fact that I'm getting more suspected by my town reads than by my scum reads and I felt the need to express this irritation, that's all.
About the other points, I don't have a proper scum meta to say it for sure but I at last like to think that wouldn't have any trouble to put attention on my buddies if that means that I can get my opinions on solid ground, Interceptor or not, that's just my ?diplomatic nature?.
Also, ?which isn't vote material? is your point of view, to be honest I could see town Rawr getting excited about the idea and jump on it, so why shouldn't do scum Rawr the same if it promises even more town cred?
PS: I wouldn't be around for the better part of the evening, so it would be nice if you could not quick lynch someone while I'm away.
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Eh, if rawr's dayvig thing really was a joke then forget it.
To be honest I'm probably just being silly. Your last post reads townie ("*I* know I would play differently" is a townie defense) and your play overall has been fine.
>_> I'm telling myself it can't be huhwhat, but there aren't that many options.
Dorian, do you think Shadoweh is scum despite people meta'ing her as town and my recent post?
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I'm running out of time so quick answer: I trust the evince that I have found more than meta arguments, but I already wondered why town Shadoweh isn't screaming at me ?to stop digging out things against her and to start digging out things against HW?, you see what I mean?
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@HW: Do you still think that this line is a town tell?
i feel like it's nitpicking and that she meant that line facetiously :X sometimes townies will say "i wouldn't mind if (annoying townread) got vigged" out of frustration and while it's anti-town it's not really something you hang them on.
in any case, dorian's recent burst of effort makes me feel a little better about him at least. i'm pretty sure rawr is the best lynch for today and it'd probably be best to sort out the buddy in lylo. he's basically the scummiest alive due to ihnn double-standarding him while going after hero (i still think this is comparable to tarring rawr but not chaore from shadoweh's game) and not really putting effort into the game until lylo. plus dorian/bt is improbable and i just don't think shadoweh/bt would both be scum, so from my pov i can't really see a scumteam without him
also angel beats is probably a better comparision for scum!rawr since in nhk he barely even played
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I barely played angel beats mafia either. Imp mafia is probably the one you want
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zzzzz we're down to 24 hours and nobody has taken initiative on anything the entire day; it feels like everyone's just stalling because they don't want to risk quickhammer since i'm not even sure what more we have to discuss
you know what actually i'm pretty tired of this game already. i still don't think shadoweh is scum and to be honest i haven't seen anything that would make dorian town or scum. bt x dorian on review is just absurd. it's got to be rawr
##Vote: DrRawr
also, Fuck Off Graveyard?
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at this point if youre really town then ill be quick hammered else w/e ill vote you some time tomorrow i guess
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##Hijack Thread
:munch:
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?you know what actually i'm pretty tired of this game already.? < Same here!^^;
I'm honestly not seeing us getting to any other lynch today and I'm also sick and tired of holding my vote off. I'm aware that this contradict my ?we have still time and we will use it? line but when my points against Shadoweh get wiped away as ?nitpicking? then I'm truly at my wit's end.
##Vote: DrRawr
Now disaster tack your course
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You know, I don't think I've ever quicklynched anyone with a partner. I'm always involved in lone LYLO's.
Dorian are you seriously asking why I highlighted the person who died when he died? Those other comments are dispersed in response to people specifically asking me what I think of Serela.
>_> What the hell cut that out
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OK, ##Unvote
What have you to say?
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Seriously what kind of a quicklynch excuse vote is that? "I hate Shadoweh, die Shadoweh die, oh a rawr is fine too." Are you picking a side for the sake of picking it now?
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whats wrong with you people?
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(http://puu.sh/1OJmi)
Looks like some more votes have been thrown in lylo. Think we ought to count them?
(http://puu.sh/1OJnW)
Of course! It is what the MCs do after all!
Wah- geh! Get out of here.
Dorian (0):
BT (0):
Shadoweh (0):
Drrawr (1): Huh What
HuhWhat (0):
Not Voting: Dorian, BT, Shadoweh, Drrawr
With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch.
~21 Hours left
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im guessing shadoweh is town since she didnt hammer :v. unless shadoweh as scum has some sick kind of humor and enjoys watching people suffer
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ok
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well i guess since shadoweh is town(ihateyou) and looking at that huhwhat/dorian makes no sense because of the bard swap out. i guess its huhwhat/bt
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I enjoy winning quickly when I'm scum because I like gloating.
Rawr, do you think huh what is scum right now or town voting you?
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at this point scum. see my other post
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Learn to read Shadoweh, that's is still the point were I stand (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg937162.html#msg937162) aside from the fact that you turned into maybe scum. It may not be as solid as I would like it to be but it's still better than ?Oh HW is sooo went more scum then null, let's use 4 days to do nothing with it?.
Also, why should she hemmer her buddy?
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##Vote: Huhwhat
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Also, why should she hemmer her buddy?
You really should read my scum games.
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Also, why should she hemmer her buddy?
because im not scum? also im pretty sure all the ihnn wagon wasnt 100% townie either
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So BT bused his buddy immediately in LyLo? That was already hard to believe as you said it the first time.
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You really should read my scum games.
Oh dear, to get my judgment even more covered by questionable ?meta reasons?? I don't think so.
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it would make alot of sense given ihnn was in the scum position for all the towns at that moment.
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Actually I'm not worried about a quicklynch anymore because a quick reread of BT's posts and how he was pushing IHNN the most makes me think he isn't scum. I am more worried about which is the right choice though. (then again he was talking about ihnn scum while voting me aaaaaaaaaa)
Oh and the bussing your buddy in LYLO. Maybe I discount that because I've actively done it though.
Dorian: You're kind of talking nonsense at this point. You wanna vote me and see if both the scum are in a 1 vs 1 or
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im also pretty sure with one of that last weakest links(me and ihnn) scum could have easily setup my myslynch.
px - d1 lynch
serela - n1 nightkill
hero999 - d2 lynch
im pretty sure everyone was bothered by these people for a lack on content(or terrible). im also guessing the nnr vig was just candy for them. though thinking about it im sure they knew affinity was the cop so ihnn could have been used to kill affinity and night kill nnr, it would have all been the same really.
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scratch the affinity kill thing, i misread what huhwhat said it was
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##Unvote
zzzz thinking about it now there could still be dorian/bt
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If BT would show up and quicklynch you with Dorian it would at least make my reading easier. I went back to read Serela since current therum suggests scum actually killed him. "We should lynch IHNN he is a pretty obv target" <_< I'm more believing in this analysis now.
Huh what, since you keep asking for the 'proof' of your scumminess, it's in the way that you steered people away from IHNN on Day 2 by bring towardsheroHOLYSHIT
Nothing has changed about rawr being a good lynch. IHNN looks more viable from Serela flip, but still reads more like weak town than scum for D1's reasons. Of the Serela voters Hero is a lot scummier.
Huh what, can you explain this sentence please?
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rawr's reaction looks like scum who thinks he can't get me mislynched over him, which is in line with him saying "I can totally see HW scum" D3 but avoiding really doing anything about it today, like Shadoweh with less tact. Though tbh I'm not sure he'd do that if Dorian were bussing. I am pretty set on this lynch. tbh I would be very surprised if both Shadoweh and BT were scum, Shadoweh/Dorian is now confirmed impossible and BT/Dorian doesn't make sense because they were just sitting there on a shitty wagon letting the D1 wagon on BT go through barring good luck. rawr's posts today haven't really looked that great (a way to put it is that i think he's waffling because he's trying to figure out who he can mislynch from the way people argue with him, again, see everything he's said about me) and 48 hours of everybody but I guess Dorian having no real concrete opinions hasn't changed my mind on anything.
cut: i thought hero pushing serela without doing anything was scummier than ihnn pushing serela with excessively concise posts. i basically agreed with ihnn's initial vote and thought him trying to look into people meant he was just newbtown with fucked up priorities. when serela's flip came i figured scum would make more sense for the one guy riding the wagon with no real reason for doing so, especially since that guy had gotten away with intentionally doing nothing as scum in the past
"d1 reasons" doesn't really mean that i was ignoring the flip so much as that what i said in my huge post about the firebomb list still counted even with serela dead as town
also i didn't drive people away from the ihnn lynch unless you're specifically forcing that interpretation. i stated my opinions and i was wrong, but the most i did to actually move anybody off of ihnn was ask affinity why ihnn had more scum intent than hero (which, again, was because i thought that hero was scum and ihnn was town, not that i wanted him to switch)
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That's not exactly what I was asking. You analysed who wanted Serela dead instead of who wanted Conqueror dead. Why did you think the scum nightkilled Serela?
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i didn't. where are you getting the impression that i did from that post?
also just saying that if you want BUDDY PRIORITIES then ihnn's thoughts on rawr are a lot more sleazy, as shown in my late d3 post (i suppose that's scum talking about a non-flip rather than the other way around but rawr said nothing about ihnn until d3 so there you go.)
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Learn to read Shadoweh, that's is still the point were I stand (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg937162.html#msg937162) aside from the fact that you turned into more scum than null read. It may not be as solid as I would like it to be but it's still better than your ?Oh HW is sooo maybe scum, let's use 4 days to do nothing with it?.
So that's what I meant to say.
@Shadoweh: It's bloody 4am, I'm barely even awake but therefore not sober. And I'm talking here with what I think is the scum team, that's certainly all nonsense.
Anyway, new Plan, I'll have another drink and then go to bed.
Good night
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Huh what, don't tell me that looking at how someone is 'worse after X's flip' and 'this vote on X's wagon was the worst' is not attempting to analyze the flip of someone you think scum killed. On the flip side, the only comment you made about Conq is the joke in reference to me. Later you said Serela was probably a vig or sk kill but that still doesn't explain your thinking pattern in the first post.
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serela died and flipped town. ihnn and hero were confirmed to have spent all day 1 voting down. this made them viable targets. ???
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voting town, even
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also why you're posting shit about the nightkill i'm just going to say that a hw/ihnn team killing serela would be a terrible idea because it'd mean that we were shooting the lynch we were pushing together, therefore wasting an opportunity and drawing attention to both of us. sure, serela suspected ihnn, but people don't listen to him enough for him to be a threat. and even though conq died in the end, interceptor gets kills based on power roles, not strong players. it'd mean ihnn and i were throwing away a chance to shoot conq or shadoweh or bt or affinity to kill SERELA of all people.
literally the only reason you could argue i'd make that kill is if i wanted to go "BUT WHY WOULD I DO THAT AS SCUM?" in 5p lylo but even then the downsides outweigh the benefits
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God okay okay I believe you -_- Your reasoning for not doing that is sound. You think Dorian locked his vote in on Rawr because he saw his buddy was going down?
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i don't know, it could be rawr/bt since dorian's posts today have all been major :townvibes: for me, but i guess you could argue that the bus was why he was so willing to bend on you being scum
if i die tonight (and i probably will) then i would say you should weigh which is more likely between scum-dorian doing that and rawr bussing his buddy when not necessary because he's inexperienced
i don't actually have a concrete opinion anymore :T i want to just clear bt following scum-rawr but then i think of bt's serela bus from adorbs and... yeah
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actually wait
1. Bardiche / Dorian
still find bard's ed1 post scummy, and have a nitpick with dorian:
seriously? px is lurking and not scumhunting and he's a good lynch to you, but when rawr plays similarly he's a "shot in the dark"? ??? this is a weird-ass double standard
otherwise dorian hasn't posted anything flagrantly bad but i got my eye on you
yeahhhh i feel like dorian is the more likely buddy since for a lot of the game he was claiming killing rawr would be a shot in the dark, even though he was ok killing similar players like px and hero
i am not super-confident about it being him instead of bt but the way he ignored ihnn and rawr is still really uuuurgh
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i am also of the opinion that scum!shadoweh would have been bussing rawr to hell and back today given that bt, dorian and i were all difficult lynches so i really think it's between bt/dorian
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this means scum intentionally nightkilled serela (thought bt was super town) for... some reason and that conq (thought bt was scum) wouldn't have died without good luck on scum's part. which probably means they wanted bt around as a mislynch and conq dying wasn't intentional.
there's also this. literally everything points to rawr/dorian from my PoV so maybe i'm just second-guessing myself on bt
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It's really hard for me to decide tbh because you both seem like you're trying really hard right now. I mean in NHK Rawr's posts in LYLO involved DIDN'T READ LOL. Also getting modkilled for posting his role pm but still. And Dorian's BORED NOW post kind of sets me on edge. But maybe I'm just overthinking it. I might just wait to see what BT says (and make sure to vote before sleeping this time)
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maybe you can just vote me so i have an excuse to hammer myself :|
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If you admit that you're scum I'll let you hammer yourself, otherwise it's against my religious beliefs
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do you really think bt/dorian are so inept they'd pile all their votes onto nnr (who only dormio wanted to lynch) while bt had 4 votes though
that's basically downright terrible coordination for scum. you'd at least think the third would have bussed if it were true
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or rawr could just pull the same thing ihnn did yesterday, gg
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Let me say it that way: Busing is only good if it's done consequent.
Why should I unvote him if I could just go ?lalala we lynching you buddy and you will be next Shadoweh, so I'm not listening lalala ...??
I learned what I know about playing as scum from Lucy, and I can assure you that you would have his flip days ago if he were my buddy.
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well someone better vote me, i dont want to deal with this in the morning. ive already tried and it doesnt seem like anyone else will be the lynch
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its 2:30am and i hate you all
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##Unvote
##Vote: DrRawr
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I'm trying to find something new damnit! I literally don't have anything but -gut- and BT isn't going to be awake for a few hours <_< Sigh.
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Honestly maybe I really am just overthinking it. My own analysis says that Rawr is likely scum who lunged onto BT and was too inactive with his vote to ever move it. I can't convince myself that huh what is the scums, he's being similarily active as when we were together. And Affinity disliked both IHNN and Rawr, he could have been a lucky shot as a PR who was killed for being right. There's the obvious Dormio in the room, but he had to die for multiple reasons. Looking back on huh what, since he was constantly defending IHNN and wasn't really steering for a Rawr lynch they'd have reason to leave him alive. I guess if I'm a sucker once I will be a sucker for eternity.
##Vote: Dr. Rawr
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fwiw I still won't be surprised if BT/Dorian is what's going on here, but if it's that we lost earlier anyways.
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##Vote Dr. Rawr
Afternoon.
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ok so why was serela the night kill guys?
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Day one: Rawr is scum (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933592.html#msg933592) < > consolidate on PX (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg934187.html#msg934187)
Day two: Rawr is still scum but Hero is scummier (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg934627.html#msg934627) < >
Rawr isn't even a priority (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg935505.html#msg935505) < > but he's still scum (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg935524.html#msg935524)
Day three: Dorian is more scum than Rawr (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg936614.html#msg936614) < > Dorian and Rawr are buddies (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg936757.html#msg936757) < > ?surprisingly i think i'd actually like to lynch rawr LAST? cause I'm getting paranoid about BT (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg936782.html#msg936782)
< > But no Rawr must be IHNN buddy (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg937695.html#msg937695)
Day four: I'm pretty sure it's rawr / dorian (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg937714.html#msg937714) <
Geez, now that I looked into it I have to say that HW fits the busing picture he's trying to paint on me way better than I do. He was already day one more certain about scum Rawr than I was all game and yet he never run out of excuses to look into other directions.
Kurwa, getting this out before self hammer
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Guys at least pretend the game isn't over yet
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BT already hammered though
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Yes I can count but it's the principle of the matter.
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Oh well, I haven't seen Shadowehs Vote, I can only hope Schezo don't mind twilight talk.^^;
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don't see a rule against twilight post
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Ok Ok. We get it. I know you guys don't want Laharal to have another game all to himself because he probably won't share main character slot but neither will you either!
Dorian (0):
BT (0):
Shadoweh (0):
Drrawr (3): Huh What, Shadoweh, BT Deported
HuhWhat (0):
Not Voting: Dorian, Drrawr
Drrawr playing Laharal the Vanilla Townie has lost!
So you understand that accordingly
Shadoweh playing Rozalin the Vanilla Townie has lost!
Dorian playing Champloo the Vanilla Townie has lost!
HuhWhat playing Axel the Mafia Lawyer has won!
BT playing Adell the Mafia Stalker has won!
Disgaea 2 yaoi wins Mafia wins~
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I give up, huh what should just pm me to let me know when he's playing scum so I can surrender at the beginning of the day
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~~~ Town:
BOOM! You're Champloo and one spicy chef, on tier with Emeril! When you aren't sneaking up on people, your real job is teaching demons but haha, demons actually going to school to learn.
You have the ability to talk telepathically with ingredients, which you may do once per day by declaring ##Whisper: Kitchen in the thread. You will recieve some commentary about various food which doesn't ever seem relevant so that makes you a Vanilla Townie.
You win when all threats to town are eliminated, BOOM!
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You are master Mao then number 1 honor student in all of Evil Academy. You have an unhealthy obsession with experimenting. With your 1.8 million E.Q. (Evil Quotient), your intellegence knows no bounds!
You have the ability to ##Disect: an object of your choosing once per day. Since you left your equipment at home however this will do absolutely nothing but get you laughed at! This makes you a Vanilla Townie.
You win when all threats to town are eliminated, best of luck Dr. Doom.
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Rozalin. You are the one, and only, daughter of the great Overlord Zenon. And I don't know if you know this or not, but you are the one, and only daughter of the great Overlord Zenon. As such you normally have oodles of servants fetching objects of your every desire. But now you're stuck with the rest of these plebs when you are a princess! The nerve of some people.
Your ability is to bitch and moan about every thing that happens. You can call people out and tell them that you are the one and only)ry; with your ##Bitch: command. Whether this is talking about you or what you're doing, you're still not sure. Guess that makes you the equivalent of a Vanilla Townie.
You win when all threats to town are eliminated, best of luck princess dear.
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You are the ele- ok you aren't elegant but you are the great and powerful Demon Lord Etna! When you aren't being a queen bee with your limitless supply of prinnies, you like to spend your time being maniplulative and forcing people to comment on how pretty you are, when in reality you are as flat as an ironing board, and not that cute.
Your ability would have been to call in a Prinny for backup so he could do a pluthea of tasks for you during the game, but since the prinnies you sent to file the needed paperwork for powers must have gotten lost you have no abilities! You can still try to ##Summon Prinny: and hope something happens. Until then you can be at peace knowing you are the equivalent of a Vanilla Townie.
You win when all threats to town are eliminated, good luck mydamn.
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BWHAHAHAHA! You are the Great Overlord Laharl! You parade around half naked wearing pants and a scarf because it looks it looks good or something like that. It is your sole purpose to hijack any game you are not the protagonist of because who wants to be a lame side character (like you) [who said that?]
Your ability is to ##Hijack Thread: and make nothing at all happen. You've been told this constantly but you aren't going to listen to the many people who tell you that you're a Vanilla Townie, you're Laharl bitch! And since demands to get a power had to be met you were greeted with a standard demon fulfillment of your wish. Non working power GJ.
You win when all threats to town are eliminated, good luck on your quest to become the protagonist... I mean lynch the scum.
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You are the adorably cute Almaz von Almandine Adamant, but we'll call you Almaz because if I have to say that again you're getting punched in the face. The only good thing about being a hopeless wuss is the entrance security knew you weren't anywhere near bad enough to bring unacceptable weapons or other household objects into the game board. They were right to a degree, you only brought protection and didn't try to sneak a gamebreaking blade in...
Your power is that you have two items, the infamous Wizard Robe and Cap, and the much desired Trapezohedron. You may give them out, one at a time on nonconsecutive nights. They should protect the user from one attempt at thier life barring a lynch. Guess that makes you the Town Blacksmith.
You win when all threats to town are eliminated, good luck and don't get TOOOO intimidated~
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Silence! All ears turn thier attention to you, the great Prinny instructor Valvatorez! You job is to teach the new souls how to properly behave as prinnies so they can begin atoning for thier sins. Well, you day job that is.
During the night you go out through the darkness with your vampire powers and ##Investigate: one player to determine their alignment. Except for night 2, that's sardine buffet night and there's no way in hell you're missing that. That means you are the Town Cop.
You win when all threats to town are eliminated, now go admonish those naughty mafiers.
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You are the Death/Extermination Submersible Combat Organism or octopus blob monster, you're not sure which yet... You do go by the name Desco though since it seems to be easier for everyone, yay you. You're training very hard to become a final boss and got a permit to continue such training for this game!
You were fortunate enough to be allowed a Demon Law: Digest and a Squirtgun on the premise that you don't use them. So using your final boss powers you will find a worthy supporter to give them out to, one at a time, on nonconsecutive nights with the ##Give: X or Y command. Once your target gets one of the aforementioned items they will be able to fire the one shot vig anytime during the day to kill another player. That means you are the Town Gunsmith.
There's a reason they had to recall demon squirtguns lately. Anyway, you win when all threats to town are eliminated, best of luck.
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You were unfortunate enough to roll Fuka Kazamatsuri, a goofy girl who is supposed to be a prinny but for some reason thinks this is all a dream. Well, people can't die twice so maybe it is better for you to continue thinking reality is all a dream...
Since you haven't been completely turned into a Prinny like you were supposed to there are a lot of people who hate the way you look. Seriously, they would totally think you're one of those evil mafia people you're supposed to be lynching just because you have a prinny hat and jacket. They're probably just jealous. You are a Town Death Miller. Your flip and cop investigations will return guilty results. The good news is if you're nightkilled they'll know you were telling the truth about being town.
You still are trying to eliminate all threats to town. Good luck with that.
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Love is all, eh FurFur?! Oh wait, wrong series. You're still the great Archangel Flonne! Your powers have finally matured and you can do a lot more than offer moral support like everyone here seems to think the power of love does.
Your power is to ##Focus: (Player name) once every night. If you are ever killed during that night or that next day the role and alignment of that person will be publicly revealed in the thread. This is of course why no one should mess with the power of love oh great Town Oracle.
What are you going to do with this great power? ... You.. Don't know...
Oh, well you're supposed to be trying to eliminate all threats to town. Best of luck, you'll probably need it.
~~~Mafia~~~
All eyes to the front of the stage! It's the Dark Hero Axel! When you're not being God's and everyone elses chew toy, you're suffering some other horrible fate. So it's time to do something to turn your fate around.
You get to be the Mafia Lawyer! In addition to being able to preform your factional kill, you may also select one of your partners to ##Law: and presidental parden them because last time there was an election based on first come first serve you were first to yell out you wanted the position. Your lawed partner becomes immune to any cops, watchers, trackers and so on by giving a town result during the night.
Your partners are and and you may communicate with them at anytime in this quicktopic.
You win when your team forms a majority of the players (50% and above). Go win chew toy!
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Honor! Family! Tra- ~Style~ You're the badass mofo Adell. You like kicking the tar out of demons barehanded because you're that cool. These are the qualities of a great maflord.
You are the Mafia Stalker. Since your virtuous qualities outshine your demon ones, you get info on a lot of things. In addition to being able to preform your factional night kill, you may ##Stalk: a player at night to Track, Watch and Roleclop them. The higher ups feel safe giving you this knowledge, mostly because they like watching everyone run around like their head is cut off.
Your partners are and and you may communicate with them at anytime in this quicktopic.
You win when your team forms a majority of the players (50% and above). Best of luck and show them your style!
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Loyal and clingy to a fault, you are Fenrich the werewolf, Steward to Lord Valvatorez. Well, that's who you would be if the most hardcore asskicker on the planet didn't replace you. You're actually Gig, Destroyer of Worlds. You were called to destroy, and by golly that's what you're going to do. The officials thought since you were a close spinoff to Disgaea it was ok to hijack the spot and plug your own game have fun.
Being a powerful God of Destruction, you are the Mafia Intercepter. In addition to being able to preform your teams factional kill on any night, you have two one time use abilities. One is ##Intercept: which lets you kill one person who visits the target of your ability. The other is ##Curse: which lets you kill your target if they are visited by someone other than your teammate.
Your partners are and and you may communicate with them at anytime in this quicktopic.
You win when your team forms a majority of the players (50% and above). Best of luck and crack some skulls.
Graveard (http://www.quicktopic.com/49/H/gBdKR4ytUim)
Mod QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/49/H/H8usY5P5um3B)
Mafia can release their quicktopic whenever.
Now please take this bat and hit me hard in the face for acting like this was a good setup to run.
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DORIAN ITS TOO LATE WE CANT LYNCH HUHWHAT ANYMORE
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I thought the setup looked fun though
*reads actions* "Affinity Cops: Conq" -.-
Conq why did you send me a bp vest ;_; You know I never die, and IT'S COVERED IN YOUR BLOOD AAAAAAAAAAA
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Interceptor can actually curse and intercept. So he cursed Conq to where if someone (Affinity) visited him he'd die.
And you just say "looked" fun. Was it fun Shadoweh???
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I did enjoy no longer being a Vanilla Townie ^_^ It made me want to ##Bitch less.
I didn't read that right though, I would have dropped the ##Curse power because scum getting two extra kills on PR's is kinda bad.
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Dorian totally needs to quote "you want some cheese with that whine?" after being called a jerk.
"Don't be a sour grape dood"
i was highly amused by this post after reading the graveyard
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All this flip analysis makes me sad. Not a single person thinks I was actually being honest about the claim.
I thought you were being honest. :< To be fair most of the confusion was scum propaganda..
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Wait what
welp
I... I did think it was strange that BT had kind of stopped posting, but, I didn't actually think he was -scum-...!
To be fair though that's because we all kind of thought HW/Rawr was the scumteam in the GY as far as I can remember (which isn't far)
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There was rawr!scum in the graveyard?
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well it makes sense, i didnt really feel like doing anything day1. also conqs 207 post in the graveyard, why cant you people cheat and tell me that :(
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i think at some point yes
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I am so sorry I voted you. You didn't deserve it. I even freaked out on Dorian for it because I thought it was wrong.
I just
I can't
Nope
I'm done
#Scum Jesus
Edit: Also BT loses points for not using this gif in his post to lynch Rawr: http://i48.tinypic.com/swydj6.jpg
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At the same time I find the BT case weak too. How is he defending me in a scummy way? Don't really want to lynch either.
Not really interested in BT wagon, I can kind of see where he's coming from with the non-meta part of his case after his response, I just... don't agree Conq is scummy. If I were to switch to another wagon atm it'd be Serela. Not sure what you mean by BT looking insecure, Affinity, care to elaborate?
People who are terrible:
[...]
IHNN: Not as bad as the others
6. Ihavenoname
if he's town then he needs to stop mentioning how he needs to look at people then barely saying anything about them until it's not relevant. the way he's trying to look into people and interactions makes me think his play is more "weak town" than "scum" though, i don't really see him pushing mislynches or anything. actually better than most people on this list
[...]
i would probably swap hero and ihnn on conq's list though. ihnn looks like he's scumhunting only not very thoroughly while hero looks like he's hunting for weird things to point out and not scum and this is worse imo
Nothing has changed about rawr being a good lynch. IHNN looks more viable from Serela flip, but still reads more like weak town than scum for D1's reasons. Of the Serela voters Hero is a lot scummier.
Thinking about it, I would probably lynch Shadoweh over BT as well. The biggest problem I've had with BT all game is that he was pushing Conq longer than necessary, but that was a very miniscule problem, as I explained D1. Everything else has seemed solid and pro-town, even if I haven't always agreed with it.
"Shadoweh obvscum tier shit" was a joke seeing as I don't think either you or IHNN are obvscum. It's just annoying, posting but taking this long to vote is anti-town.
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Affinity, why do you think that IHNN is more likely to have scum intent than Hero?
gut says ihnn is weak town, i've done my best to verbalize this in past posts but it's hard to describe
but compared to hero and rawr he has more of an evident thought process
as far as scumminess goes: imo guy with no logical scumhunting or town thought process > guy with the occasional scumreads who doesn't care about them or read the thread > guy with reads who has a hard time justifying them but does actually talk about them (ihnn falls here, the other two people being hero and rawr. idk i just think he's being comparable to town-serela)
it seems more likely that affinity got a town scan on bt since he stopped that push for no apparent reason after believing in it pretty strongly d1
BT
Doesn't seem to fit into any scumteams. Consider the following:
BT / Dorian: BT obviously thinks scum can't mislynch the death miller D1 since he doesn't try pushing until other players do... so he lets Dorian do the pushing instead, for a wagon of 2 scum and 1 town when most other players don't want a NNR lynch? Buh? This is beyond stupid given that scum would need a counterwagon for BT at this point.
BT / rawr: D1, rawr has every reason to vote Affinity based on precedent, but swing votes the wagons toward BT anyway. Based on refuge in audacity sheeping, which makes rawr look awful if BT doesn't flip first. Sure, bussing is a thing, but in a BT / rawr / ? scumteam, the policy vig target is prooobably not the one doing the bussing, especially when he could easily push another case and D1 scum wagons tend to fall apart when not solid.
BT / Shadoweh: Shadoweh is town and if she were somehow scum then BT shouldn't be opening up D2 with a bus when his post was late enough in the day to see that nobody really wanted to lynch her. I guess that's not implausible, but again, I feel strongly enough about Shadoweh-town that I'm probably fucking this up if I'm wrong about it anyway.
I GUESS BT / rawr / IHNN could be maaaybe plausible if you want to push the basis that rawr is unpredictable and I'm overthinking bus votes like in adorbs maf? But even then, I haven't had a serious problem with BT's posts all game and his play has seemed mostly solid to me.
Though, while IHNN / BT don't have any strong dissociative tells, IHNN dismissing BT / Conq as town/town without any further thought makes me think he'd be telling the truth as scum based on his general level of scum play.
If I wanted to ask him for clarity about anything, it'd be why he never pushed IHNN after his initial contentpost on D2, and why he wanted to hammer Hero early without a claim.
That said I don't think it was particularly stronger than what [BT] had on Shadoweh so [BT] doesn't look that awful to me.
IHNN buddy priorities would go rawr > BT / Dorian > Shadoweh at the moment. Would give scum-Dorian the slight edge over BT, though.
this means scum intentionally nightkilled serela (thought bt was super town) for... some reason and that conq (thought bt was scum) wouldn't have died without good luck on scum's part. which probably means they wanted bt around as a mislynch and conq dying wasn't intentional.
:toot: :toot: :toot:
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yeaaaah not even gonna lie, this game was easy mode because town had four people playing like cannon fodder
in retrospect we lucked out with the n1 conq death. i had him cursed because i thought he was such an obvious doc target but then he himself was the protective role :X
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(http://i.imgur.com/jK62JK4.gif)
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also dorian's point of "why did you not give a fuck about stopping nnr's shot when he was a townread" was actually a solid case for me being scum and i was worried i was gonna get lynched when he posted it but everyone just kind of ignored it, that was a cool thing
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http://www.quicktopic.com/49/H/jxASGGdDVnJq Scum quicktopic btw
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Thanks for replacing in for me, Dorian.
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I think I need to /in the next game.
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Dorian unvoted right after he voted. Let's watch BT slip. That'd be aweseome!
Fortunately I skimmed the thread during the entire game instead of just not reading.
Oops, there was a gif I wanted to use but I forgot about it and the opportunity never really came up anyway.
Ah well.
http://i.imgur.com/vzYzQ.gif
Oh man
Edit: Also BT loses points for not using this gif in his post to lynch Rawr: http://i48.tinypic.com/swydj6.jpg
Oh man
Like I said in the Scum QT, I played like shit this game and deserved to get lynched. Fortunately, huhwhat is Hypnotoad's offspring.
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now that the game's over i need a new avatar but i also want it to be one that still pisses off conq
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now that the game's over i need a new avatar but i also want it to be one that still pisses off conq
Use a Dangen Roppa spoiler?
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I don't know how to play scum :derp:
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Use a Dangen Roppa spoiler?
shit i got this brb
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And I quote "I'm NekoRex and I get mad at games because I have a huge ego and hate losing"
That said I was pretty mad at a game of Crawl before my death rant, so I probably went overboard on Dorian. Still not happy about his terrible case, but I was a Death Miller anyway so it's not like it mattered. Based on Dorian's posts afterwards I don't think anything I said could have changed his mind anyhow.
Would still lynch
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shit i got this brb
(http://i45.tinypic.com/2larf6.png)
CHECKLIST:
- witch
- (minor) danganronpa spoiler
- obvious anti-conq implications
it is the perfect avatar (but i will hold out for finding myself something that isn't objectively terrible)
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now that the game's over i need a new avatar but i also want it to be one that still pisses off conq
:getout:
Props to huhwhat for carrying the scumteam with the really hard defenses, I haven't seen those in a while. But it's a good example of how sometimes saving a buddy is as simple as outright defending them.
Cut by something vulgar and crass. gtfo
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it is the perfect avatar (but i will hold out for finding myself something that isn't objectively terrible)
How is this working out for you
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bt you wouldn't know shit about finding new avatars seeing as you've never even changed yours :colbert:
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If BT changed his avatar I wouldn't even know him anymore. :< That pouty dragonite is a mafia standard.
(I probably need a new one myself though because pirate teletubbie sun is not doing me any favors but I lost my entire Yuka collection..)
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bt you wouldn't know shit about finding new avatars seeing as you've never even changed yours :colbert:
Don't let the secret out
(This avatar is much better)
(I probably need a new one myself though because pirate teletubbie sun is not doing me any favors but I lost my entire Yuka collection..)
I'm pretty sure I had at least one (1) nightmare due to that thing
(http://puu.sh/1QfVg)
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That pouty dragonite is a mafia standard.
wait that's not a nose?
holy shit
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Schezo your game's over you can sit down now
wait that's not a nose?
holy shit
How do you even
What
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... Can't unsee. Motherfuck
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now that the game's over i need a new avatar but i also want it to be one that still pisses off conq
(http://puu.sh/1Qgox)
dangan ronpa spoilers, tenshi is the first victim
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:O
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(http://puu.sh/1Qgox)
dangan ronpa spoilers, tenshi is the first victim
Dots dots Dots dots dots
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http://www.quicktopic.com/49/H/BYt5xDFGexs3X
There's my personal thoughts QT btw.
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I was the Vigilante this town deserved, not the one it needed.
OK, maybe it wasn't the best idea to watch all this ?how it should have ended? clips on Youtube while I was waiting for responses.^^;;
Earnestly, I would like to say that our fate was sealed from the very beginning since the ONLY votes of reason came from the scum side ( aside from Affinity and Conq) but that would be too easy. And since I'm Catholic I'll start with the traditional ?Mia culpa?.
PX: I know from my own experiences that RL doesn't announces it before it gets in your way. But I had no way to know this, so all I can say is, I'm sorry.
NNR: As much as I would like to say that your bloody ?make believe? case on BT cementite my Town read on him as well as my Scum read on you. But I also have to say that your claim was enough to put you into my ?Elimininate all discrepancies and distractions to get a clear picture? policy so I don't think that I gave you a fair chance. I guess you already unleashed a storm of rage against me in the Graveyard, haven't read it yet, it may not be justified but I think it's mostly deserved, it was mostly a ?in the heat of the moment? decision and I'm really sorry about that.
Hero: I guess that you started to aimed for your own lynch at some point cause your ?role benefits town on a certain condition? but your play still doesn't makes much sense to me. I have no excuse for it aside from that not getting Kaori lynched was quite a trauma, sorry.
DrRawr: you said that, ?I'm also pretty sure with one of that last weakest links(me and ihnn) scum could have easily setup my myslynch? and I think you did that much better then any scum team could ever hope to do by being an mostly blank page. I'm still sorry that I didn't valued your effort.
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Awesome stuff on hw's part.
Things would have been more interesting if the mislynches on d1 and 2 were different. I do think that if nnr had controlled himself an made his case on bt more cogent, he would have convinced more people.
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Don't want this to sound very ragey but it might anyway because :tone:
NNR: As much as I would like to say that your bloody ?make believe? case on BT cementite my Town read on him as well as my Scum read on you. But I also have to say that your claim was enough to put you into my ?Elimininate all discrepancies and distractions to get a clear picture? policy so I don't think that I gave you a fair chance. I guess you already unleashed a storm of rage against me in the Graveyard, haven't read it yet, it may not be justified but I think it's mostly deserved, it was mostly a ?in the heat of the moment? decision and I'm really sorry about that.
Most of my graveyard posts consisted of "wow I really got shafted with this role" and "I would rather have been vigged then lynched anyway" and especially "why is everyone scummy"
But I did manage to write a few critical (and somewhat ragey I guess) posts on you
I really hate how Dorian twists my last big post at him into something awful and not true at all
Would still vote him despite being dead and knowing his alignment.
"Scum in general are going to have weaker cases because they're hunting town, and are therefore more likely to adapt what happened to their interpretation (misrepresent) instead of interpreting what happened."
Well that's true. Actually, that looks like what you're doing RIGHT FUCKING NOW.
"Why shouldn't I write a case that looks good no matter if my points are true or not?"
I did not say this, and I didn't say anything remotely like this. If I'm town OR scum and I want to have a convincing case, I'm going to write in a way that sells the case to town. Convincing town to vote your scumpick is a full third the gameplay.
and also Let's face it, Dorian. Nothing I said could have changed your mind. Both my top scumpicks were your towniest reads, and neither of them were very talkative until I died.
It doesn't take acting skills to out yourself as a vig, either. You simply say "I'm a vig", which frankly is a stupid thing to do anyway.
It still doesn't matter, since my flip makes all of my posts worthless.
I don't know how MY case on BT was bad, I think you're biased because of my role. I personally thought my initial and top scumpick (BT) was pretty good, especially since it turns out HE WAS SCUM.
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?Well that's true. Actually, that looks like what you're doing RIGHT FUCKING NOW.? < Touche! I should have really stopped acting like a fool for a moment to listen to my own advices.^^;;
Anyway, allow me to continue the tradition to express my feelings about the game in a song ~
Spent the night in confusion,
To the game I marched in the dawn...
I was ready to kill our king
On the fields of Disgaea
Fire at will
Aim for the miller
Counter vote
Squirt of a gun
Gott mit uns
Cause we all stand divided
All so wrong Gott mit uns
On LyLo the second
They filled my heart with fear
Several times they attacked on that day
Several times they retracted it
Finely a vote
Follow that reason
On the lurker
An end it will bring
Gott mit uns
Cause we all stand divided
All so wrong Gott mit uns (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9eWbrc_ynw)
I think that's the silliest thing I've ever made.^^;;