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| OkashiiKisei:
--- Quote from: Purvisen Silver on July 14, 2010, 11:56:35 AM ---To be fair, if anyone can kill a god the old fashioned way, it'd be one of the 4 devas. Also Reimu gets beaten in IN and in 12.3. And in SWR. --- End quote --- Reimu didn't have that power yet in IN. And 10.5 and 12.3 were danmaku games, not a situation of life or death. Reimu doesn't use that ability in danmaku play since it is cheating. However, if she had to fight for real and if her life depended on it she'd access her invincibility and wipe out the threat. Tenshi didn't want to kill anyone. She just wanted someone to fight with. There was no need for Reimu to fight for real. Same goes for every other match in 12.3. It is like Yuyuko's power" she could kill everyone in PCB and everyone in IN save the immortals if she wanted to, but she didn't because she was just playing. --- Quote from: Fortevn on July 14, 2010, 11:57:56 AM --- - Reimu cannot use that skill whenever he wants, nor it is a passive skill. In a fight, things happen. - Seeing the afterlife doesn't mean you can die, also you shouldn't take that manga seriously. Or Kaguya really is a damn useless princess. --- End quote --- Okay, the others are justified, but Reimu can access her invincibility whenever she wants. She put a time limit on it for play, but if she wants to she can remove the time limit and keep using her invincibility endlessly. She KNOWS this is a life or death situation. She KNOWS people are dying and everything is going to hell. She KNOWS she needs to set things straight. She KNOWS the goddesses will go batshit once Sanae dies. Reimu isn't idiotic. She would have activated her invincibility before hand and smack down the goddesses by herself without putting Marisa or Alice in danger. Reimu had all the time to prepare for the battle, and there was a huge gap in time between Sanae's death and Reimu's death. Reimu could have activated her invincibility in a mere second once she sees Sanae going down. I repeat: Reimu isn't idiotic. Not only that, Reimu can summon the power of the Gods to kick ass and take names. Again, she could have summoned the power of an even mightier god than Kanako and Suwako to kick reason to the curb, like Amaterasu or Susano-O. She had all the time to prepare. Reimu would also try to end this battle quickly, so she would pull out Fantasy Heaven once the battle starts. You cannot let the Moriyas kill Reimu in such a pathetic way. Almost no one can defeat Reimu in a straight forward life-or-death battle at full power. You need to either kill her in a sneak attack (like kill her in her sleep. Just anything but a straight forward battle) where she can't prepare or let Yukari, Yuugi, Shikieiki or some other uber character with an 'I Win' button kill her. Inaba of the Moon/Earth is an official work, and if you see the afterlife that means your spirit can drift away from your body. Since an immortal's soul is stuck to the mortal plain forever they would never get to see the afterlife. Spoiler: And don't forget that entire 'poison incident' in Ghost Team's ending in IN. |
| Forte Blackadder:
- Having ultimate defense doesn't mean she also have ultimate attack. Also, her best friend, Marisa, died in front of her. - None knows how strong the Hakurei Gods are, to defeat the one who won the Great Suwa War is not that easy. - And your Reimu makes me laugh alot. She is not that strong, despite having that "invincible" spell. Yuuka can kill her with 1 single punch, don't even try to put Fantasy Heaven in, because the flower has "ultimate magic that even ZUN doesn't know about". - The immorality of the Lunarian here is how the soul doesn't fade away, no matter what happen to the body. Yuyuko is also immortal, just that her body is sealed under the tree, so she doesn't have the freedom as the Lunarian. |
| Hello Purvis:
Being able to slip out of dimensions isn't almighty. You have to be able to trigger it. Reimu is hella hard, but not almighty. Not everything is just a clash of DnD stats. |
| OkashiiKisei:
--- Quote from: Fortevn on July 14, 2010, 12:57:10 PM ---- Having ultimate defense doesn't mean she also have ultimate attack. Also, her best friend, Marisa, died in front of her. - None knows how strong the Hakurei Gods are, to defeat the one who won the Great Suwa War is not that easy. - And your Reimu makes me laugh alot. She is not that strong, despite having that "invincible" spell. Yuuka can kill her with 1 single punch, don't even try to put Fantasy Heaven in, because the flower has "ultimate magic that even ZUN doesn't know about". - The immorality of the Lunarian here is how the soul doesn't fade away, no matter what happen to the body. Yuyuko is also immortal, just that her body is sealed under the tree, so she doesn't have the freedom as the Lunarian. --- End quote --- - Having ultimate defense does mean you can't be defeated. Reimu might not pack much of a punch, but if she continues to attack relentlessly she will eventually wear her enemy down. For example: one bee sting isn't bad, but hundreds of bee stings in quick succession are deadly. Reimu's first shots can be shrugged off, but eventually you'll start to get tired and weaken under her endless barrage of attacks. In the end you will succumb to her endless assault. That is, however, if she chooses to only use her normal power. If she uses the power of the Gods she packs a lot more punch. - Reimu isn't limited to just the Hakurei God(s). Otherwise her power would be described as 'power to summon the Hakurei God' instead of 'power to summon the Gods'. Reimu has the exact same power as Yorihime, who could summon any God, not just the ones she's faithful to. Yorihime only needed to read up about a god to summon them. Reimu could do the same. She could summon the power of the Okami to take on Kanako and Suwako. And even if she could only summon the Hakurei God, said Hakurei God could take on Yorihime, the one who (quite annoyingly) wiped the floor with the likes of Yukari and Suika. I think that 'proves' the Hakurei God can take on Suwako and Kanako. - Reimu was revealed to be one of the strongest of Gensokyo once she unlocked her power to summon the gods, hinted to be stronger than even Yorihime. Besides, if Reimu wasn't strong she wouldn't be able to do her job well, would she? However, Yuuka isn't a slouch either, and can indeed defeat Reimu easily (at least before Reimu activates her invincibility, but Reimu might die of starvation before she finally manages to exhaust Yuuka). - Yuyuko is dead, which quite different from immortal. Immortality means 'not dying or not being subject to death', but Yuyuko is essentially already 'dead'. She doesn't have a corporeal body anymore like Kaguya or Mokou. You don't call Kaguya or Mokou 'ghosts' either. As a ghost she is actually superior to immortals/Lunarians since her she can't be damaged and can thus be safe from pain, something which the immortals Kaguya and Mokou still suffer from. Everything can fade through her when she wants to. Yuyuko can only pass on if the Saigyou Ayakashi blooms. Maybe we shouldn't let this discussion go too far. We might get in trouble with the higher-ups otherwise. |
| Forte Blackadder:
- The attack of Hakurei Reimu is nothing to Yasaka Kanako and Moriya Suwako. And zero multiples to whatever is still zero. - Reimu's ability is "Summon Gods", and that's pretty much what every miko can do, however, she can have the strongest power if she summon the god of her shrine. That's what all this summoning gods about, because the Hakurei gods will definitely help Hakurei Reimu the most. Gods are not Reimu's servant, summoning is one thing, having them help her is another. - You cannot use the bridge formula in battles, who said Yukari and Suika could take on Kanako and Suwako? - No, immortality is "always being in his/her world with absolute existence, which can be seen, felt, touched by every other creatures in that world". Yuyuko is already dead, but her soul is still contacted with the world, thus she acquired "immortality". You can't say she is dead when she is eating your food. Or your viewpoint is different from me. |
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