Author Topic: Touhou 13 ~ Ten Desires announced! (Read 263013 times)

Zengar Zombolt · « **Reply #960 on:** March 10, 2011, 06:54:38 PM »

I think Alice did the same on PCB too.

Kips McKipzerson · « **Reply #961 on:** March 10, 2011, 06:56:23 PM »

Didnt alice do that in PCB?

fakeedit:

Quote from: Yumemi OkaZengar on March 10, 2011, 06:54:38 PM

I think Alice did the same on PCB too.

God dammit stealing my words.

On the topic of the game getting livestreamed, well, thats just it. They livestream from reitaisai? Man oh man I must be behind.

Romantique Tp · « **Reply #962 on:** March 10, 2011, 06:59:32 PM »

Reimu: Hehehe! ☆

Elly: Sorry, but you can't go any
further down this road.

Reimu: And why not?

Elly: This is only the trial version
so it's not ready yet.

Reimu: That's a trite answer. (sweating profusely)

Tengukami · « **Reply #963 on:** March 10, 2011, 07:12:41 PM »

Well I'll be damned.

Barrakketh · « **Reply #964 on:** March 10, 2011, 07:39:00 PM »

It's also happened if you used a continue:

Genji: But, I'm worried that your current
skill may be no match against Mima.

Reimu: What?

Marisa: Kyahaha, he's right!
You've continued
ｘｘ times already!! [ｘｘ = the number of continues the player has used]

Kips McKipzerson · « **Reply #965 on:** March 10, 2011, 07:47:57 PM »

Double digits?
You can continue up to NINETY NINE times?
woah

Ghaleon · « **Reply #966 on:** March 10, 2011, 07:50:54 PM »

I still haven't tried magical arena. I don't like fighting games but the 3d flying nature attack with ranged attacks more than melee kind of replaces the aspects about fighting games I dislike. As for the Touhou version. I think Gar-gar has a point where it looks like they kinda play the same. But I think that's just a trailer fault. I mean I think it's just showcasing all the girl's biggest nukes at maximum range basically. I rekon using your big nukes all the time wouldn't actually be an effective method of playing, and the unique feel of each character is more apparent in a real-game situation. Or so I hope.

"Concentrated Jesus"... Drake's expressions are the best.

Koakkuri · « **Reply #967 on:** March 10, 2011, 09:58:58 PM »

Quote from: Kips McKipzerson on March 10, 2011, 07:47:57 PM

Double digits?
You can continue up to NINETY NINE times?
woah

Actually, SoEW only gives you three continues.

DX7.EP · « **Reply #968 on:** March 10, 2011, 11:22:24 PM »

Speaking of continues, I really hope 10D / TD replaces the stupid "continues = restart the whole damn level" system in MoF/SA/UFO with either the older or GFW systems. That single gripe ruined those games for me - seriously, going through the boring stage and mid-boss again just to "return" to a boss fight (likely on my last life)?!

In an arcade-style game such as Touhou one should be able to pick up where (s)he left off, regardless of penalties. This isn't some home system platformer where levels can be restarted forcefully (and even then they usually have checkpoints).

Lreaper9 · « **Reply #969 on:** March 11, 2011, 12:46:57 AM »

Actually, I like the recent format with continues :O. It gives me such a feeling of accomplishment when I am able to finish a game without having to start in the middle as a continue

. This is my own opinion of course.

Drake · « **Reply #970 on:** March 11, 2011, 12:53:22 AM »

Honestly the main problem people have with the new continue system is that they think they can't clear a single stage from the beginning with only three lives.
This means either 1. You DO need practice on that stage or 2. You're actually trying to bruteforce through the game. In the case of number 2, restart the run for more lives, and then you get closer to 1ccing anyways. I like this system.

DX7.EP · « **Reply #971 on:** March 11, 2011, 01:30:25 AM »

Quote from: Drake on March 11, 2011, 12:53:22 AM

Honestly the main problem people have with the new continue system is that they think they can't clear a single stage from the beginning with only three lives.
This means either 1. You DO need practice on that stage or 2. You're actually trying to bruteforce through the game. In the case of number 2, restart the run for more lives, and then you get closer to 1ccing anyways. I like this system.

Of course, practice makes perfect.
I usually resort to #2 with arcade games, though, so I guess I'll try that strategy and hopefully 1cc them in due course. I may also lower the difficulty settings for this (I usually play on Hard or, in UFO, Normal), but where's the fun in that? :V

Drake · « **Reply #972 on:** March 11, 2011, 01:40:12 AM »

The only other argument I can think of is that it is slower for both unlocking stages for practice and seeing them for the first time when the game comes out, if you game over consistently enough. To which, it really depends on which stage you're on as well. I know when SA came out, it took me forever to even see stage 6 because stage 4 and 5 on Normal took me several hours to complete even once to get to the next stage. However, since it just came out I was new enough at the game to probably have not had more than three lives going into either stage on a full run, so I chose stage restarts instead of runs.

Because of this I can see how this can annoy people on a short-term basis when they haven't played the game much, but even still is fairly petty to complain about. In the long run, stage restarts on continue is better for you.

DX7.EP · « **Reply #973 on:** March 11, 2011, 02:42:00 AM »

Quote from: Drake on March 11, 2011, 01:40:12 AM

The only other argument I can think of is that it is slower for both unlocking stages for practice and seeing them for the first time when the game comes out, if you game over consistently enough. To which, it really depends on which stage you're on as well. I know when SA came out, it took me forever to even see stage 6 because stage 4 and 5 on Normal took me several hours to complete even once to get to the next stage. However, since it just came out I was new enough at the game to probably have not had more than three lives going into either stage on a full run, so I chose stage restarts instead of runs.

Because of this I can see how this can annoy people on a short-term basis when they haven't played the game much, but even still is fairly petty to complain about. In the long run, stage restarts on continue is better for you.

Hm, didn't look at the stage restart system that way beforehand. Given the full power starts, infinite tries, and a fresh set of lives (if coming in then less than three on that run), I could look at it as beneficial.

Maybe this system, increasing difficulty curves, the new derivative works policy, ~~and the refusal to listen to fans' rabid Mima demands~~ are ways ZUN is trying to weed out, contain, and narrow the Touhou fanbase and its increasingly vocal and commercial desires. I take it he's trying to retain control of his franchise and keep it from going too far, which makes sense from an artist's perspective.

Suikama · « **Reply #974 on:** March 11, 2011, 02:49:45 AM »

Or ZUN was just drunk and didn't give a shit

HakureiSM · « **Reply #975 on:** March 11, 2011, 02:59:35 AM »

Or both, some people have the best ideas while drunk.

Barrakketh · « **Reply #976 on:** March 11, 2011, 03:05:43 AM »

Quote from: Drake on March 11, 2011, 01:40:12 AM

The only other argument I can think of is that it is slower for both unlocking stages for practice and seeing them for the first time when the game comes out, if you game over consistently enough. To which, it really depends on which stage you're on as well. I know when SA came out, it took me forever to even see stage 6 because stage 4 and 5 on Normal took me several hours to complete even once to get to the next stage. However, since it just came out I was new enough at the game to probably have not had more than three lives going into either stage on a full run, so I chose stage restarts instead of runs.

Because of this I can see how this can annoy people on a short-term basis when they haven't played the game much, but even still is fairly petty to complain about. In the long run, stage restarts on continue is better for you.

One thing I'd like to see is stages being unlocked for practice when you first access the stage instead of after clearing it.

Ghaleon · « **Reply #977 on:** March 11, 2011, 03:10:25 AM »

I think the problem with stage restarts on continue systems is just that there's not really much of a difference over manually stage practicing each stage after your first continue. It seems kinda pointless. Plus if you can't quite 1cc a game, you can't really tell how close you are to doing a 1cc.

Tengukami · « **Reply #978 on:** March 11, 2011, 03:12:32 AM »

Yeah, unless you take replays of your mistakes to study what you did wrong instead of just saving them for bragging rights.

Iced Fairy · « **Reply #979 on:** March 11, 2011, 03:27:17 AM »

Quote from: Barrakketh on March 11, 2011, 03:05:43 AM

One thing I'd like to see is stages being unlocked for practice when you first access the stage instead of after clearing it.

This, pretty much sums up my opinion.

I don't care if you want me to bang my head up against a stage repeatedly until I get it right, but please don't make me waste my time with all the previous stages getting there.

shadowbringer · « **Reply #980 on:** March 11, 2011, 03:33:35 AM »

Quote from: Barrakketh on March 11, 2011, 03:05:43 AM

One thing I'd like to see is stages being unlocked for practice when you first access the stage instead of after clearing it.

or do like Crimzon Clover, where (iirc) you have access to stage practice to one stage beyond the one you've reached (though you still need to buy it with stars in the limiter shop). Though the first thing I did was buy the bgms for sound test (and the intro skip) :p

Or stage practice for the next stage could be also enabled if you beat the stage before it on stage practice too :p

I hope that the spellcard practice room has last words (or whatever replaces them) and is as fun (or more) than in IN. Though I also hope that we don't get to fight Reimu or Marisa in stage 4 (which was a "remake" of the same boss fight in LLS -- which imho also allowed the player to fight Marisa again, after SoEW, with the bonus that you could also play as Marisa against Reimu).

Wonder if we would have requirements like "get to 1% of the last boss' final attack with one credit on Lunatic and then die your last life there", or "enter the bgm room" :p

Kips McKipzerson · « **Reply #981 on:** March 11, 2011, 04:54:08 AM »

Quote from: Barrakketh on March 11, 2011, 03:05:43 AM

One thing I'd like to see is stages being unlocked for practice when you first access the stage instead of after clearing it.

Isnt this game supposed to be harder? I'd love to see this implemented, but sadly It's most likely not going to happen. Though I'm still waiting to see what kind of characters ZUN will put into this one.

In related news Chocolate Bar Japanese Dude for Ten Desires.

Ayuka · « **Reply #982 on:** March 11, 2011, 05:01:14 AM »

Quote from: Kips McKipzerson on March 11, 2011, 04:54:08 AM

Isnt this game supposed to be harder?

Other way around. It's supposed to be easier. Whether or not it will be is a different story, but...
How hard it is doesn't mean that practice stages can't unlock before you beat the stage main-game, though. If anything, the harder it is the more the stages should unlock as you get to them rather than after you beat them.

Unassuming Squid · « **Reply #983 on:** March 11, 2011, 08:03:27 AM »

Quote from: shadowbringer on March 11, 2011, 03:33:35 AM

Wonder if we would have requirements like "get to 1% of the last boss' final attack with one credit on Lunatic and then die your last life there", or "enter the bgm room" :p

10D will have achievements. One for entering the music room. One for starting the game. One for shooting your first bullet. One for blowing up your first fairy. One for dieing.

You heard it here first, folks.

Kips McKipzerson · « **Reply #984 on:** March 11, 2011, 08:05:55 AM »

Quote from: Calmartentacul on March 11, 2011, 08:03:27 AM

10D will have achievements. One for entering the music room. One for starting the game. One for shooting your first bullet. One for blowing up your first fairy. One for dieing.

You heard it here first, folks.

I sure hope that isnt sarcasm.
Achievements would be cool I guess. It makes me wanna play a game more. *achievement whore*

Aba Matindesu! · « **Reply #985 on:** March 11, 2011, 08:06:04 AM »

~~Oh wow, today's the release date and...~~

I hate you, Namazu and Tenshi. I really do.

e: hurr thought it was March 11, my bad.

Drake · « **Reply #986 on:** March 11, 2011, 08:50:41 AM »

Quote from: Drake on March 09, 2011, 08:04:12 AM

Reitaisai is this Sunday.

Ghaleon · « **Reply #987 on:** March 11, 2011, 09:08:26 AM »

Thanks alot, I just crapped my pants looking for a demo download. now I just lost 10 years of life from crushed heart/dreams/hopes/etc.

Blumiere · « **Reply #988 on:** March 11, 2011, 09:21:40 AM »

Convenient Australia (Victoria, at least) has a public holiday on Monday so we have two days to enjoy the demo of 10D.

Of course it's three stages and it'll lose it's appeal quickly. I suspect I'll have Lunatic memorised to the bullet by the end of Monday though. :V

N-Forza · « **Reply #989 on:** March 11, 2011, 09:40:43 AM »

Looks like it won't be released this weekend after all. Big Sight's been damaged by the earthquake so they're taking this weekend to assess how bad it is. No word on a new date as of yet.