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SovereignClockwork:
Hello. I'm a college student that has write a paper about any topic, and so I chose Touhou. The main problem is that the paper has to be an argumentative paper where I have to argue a point or side on the topic that I choose. I decided to do Touhou because of the open ended nature of a lot of the things in the games and such. I'm aware of another thread which talked about a few of the things I was interested in (It started with Reimu's personality and then other things that were different were brought up like the dragon palace and Koishi's eye opening), but I couldn't find too much more of people discussing it.

Some of the things I'm looking for from the canon stuff: which ending in the game is the actual ending since there are multiple endings based on the character and shot type used, what's happening in Impossible Spell Card (Seija gets a bounty placed on her by who and what is the reward, what happens to Seija after this game or is this game meant to be the explanation as to why she isn't seen too often after the game), is there any specific book that talks about the backstory of the characters (I'm interested in every character's backstory, but for the sake of brevity in Yuyuko, Byakuren, Miko, Junko, and the Yorigami sisters)

The reason for the fanfiction is because I believe that so long as a fanfiction keeps the characters in the story as similar to the original work as possible, then they should at least be considered. My main problem is the volume of Touhou fanfiction and the pesky language barrier and dodgy translations. So I'd like to ask about fanfiction that actually could possibly work. For instance, I've been seeing a lot of stuff about Hollow Song of Birds, but I don't have a copy of it myself. There are also the fangames that have gone onto consoles: Adventures of Scarlet Curiosity, Genso Rondo, Genso Wanderer, etc. I've played Adventures of Scarlet Curiosity, which I haven't read enough of the Sangetsusei series to know how the fairies would act or if they would help the other youkai like Nitori, and I haven't seen the other characters enough to be able to see whether or not they'd act like they do in the game (like Mokou attacking the character you play as for assuming that you caused what was going on. I know in Touhou 9: PoFV the main characters all go out and investigate the incident separately and accuse just about anyone they find resulting in a fight, but we don't know for certain Mokou would be like that (I haven't played through to the extra stage of Touhou 8: IN)). There is also the fanime, like Fantasy Kaleidoscope, which isn't good. Good quality animation sure, but they change the story and characters so much.

Thank you ahead of time to anyone who took the time to read all of this, and at the very least thought about the topic.

CyberAngel:
For endings, it's safe to assume all of them happened. There are very few contradictions, and those that exist can be reconciled with minimal changes. In some cases all endings form a logical sequence, actually. A bit of a self-plug, but here are my thoughts on the matter. Plus some of the latest manga chapters (namely WaHH ch. 42 and VFiS ch. 8) pretty much confirm that all ROUTES happen, at least.

For character backgrounds, PMiSS and SoPM are closest, but the main source should actually be profiles from game-specific documents. You can find them on the wiki in character articles. (Just don't read articles themselves - they tend to have uncited info.)

Raikaria:
Specifically regarding endings, I generally go for a 'Everyone was involved and good endings occur unless there's a good reason why not'. Even bad endings can be useful for determining character relations.

For example; Lotus Land Story. Reimu v Marisa is a thing that happens and based on later statement that Marisa hasn't defeated Reimu [Which hadn't been overwritten at that time], we know Reimu wins, and therefor the Reimu ending is the canon ending, because we know Reimu won. However, it's likely Marisa still hung around and observed the Master Spark so got the magic she was looking for anyway.

Pretty sure the same applies for the Magic Route in IN; and the Phantasmagoria games. Marisa routes cannot be canon because it was stated she hadn't beaten Reimu ever at that point, and those routes involve her defeating Reimu.

It's also worth noting in UFO one of the Sanae routes is 100% canon because it directly sets up Ten Desires [The Ship turning into the Myouren Temple; which is what re-awakens Toyosatomimi]. Likewise if I recall one of the Marisa endings in SA is 100% canon [I believe it's Nitori] because it leads up to the release of the Ship. MoF -> TD [And even HM] is kinda weird in how each game is a direct sequel and a chain of events. But none of these are mutually exclusive, except perhaps the SA Marisa routes with the other Marisa routes [And even then there's nothing saying Marisa isn't helped by Alice and Patchouli anyway and rotates shottypes, and said ending dosen't exclude Reimu being involved either.]

Other Muturally Exclusive endings would be the A and B shottypes from DDC; since obviously the characters can't both choose to use their possessed weapon and choose to not use it simultaneously. But events from DDC don't lead into other games. Sakuya A and Sakuya B cannot both occur.

And in LLK; the Regular endings are non-canon [Because Junko can instantly win if you've even taken a scratch and last time I checked a no-graze run of LLK isn't a thing, and the endings are basically bad endings.] and the Pointdevice endings are canon [Because the Elixir prevents Junko instawinning].

tl;dr: Endings we know:

PoDD - Marisa route cannot be canon [Note: This means Mimi-Chan is a strictly non-canon character]
LLS - Marisa route cannot be canon

IN - Magic route cannot be canon, also, obviously; bad endings are not canon for story purposes but the interactions are still useful for relations ect
PoFV - Marisa route cannot be canon [Fairly sure the Reimu v Marisa thing held until 9.5?]
SA - Marisa-Nitori is canon [But we don't know if this rules out other shottypes/Reimu]
UFO - One of the Sanae endings is canon [I forgot if it's A or B], but again, dosen't rule out others, even the other Sanae shotype ending.

DDC - A and B ending are muturally exclusive, but we don't know which character or if A/B are canon.
LLK - Pointdevice endings are canon, Regular Mode endings are non-canon.

All other games do not have contradictions as far as I'm aware.

CyberAngel:
For UFO, one of Marisa's endings is a spelled-out setup for Extra stage, which definitely happened since Nue is around.

Also, wasn't it said somewhere that Marisa explicitly didn't take the elixir in LoLK to study it later? Then again, ZUN himself said that the canon route is no-miss Legacy, which gives you Pointdevice ending anyway.

Drake:

--- Quote from: CyberAngel on March 18, 2019, 10:59:45 AM ---Also, wasn't it said somewhere that Marisa explicitly didn't take the elixir in LoLK to study it later?
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Her Legacy ending says she kept it because it's a rare item for her collection, but yeah. Marisa's Legacy ending is mutually exclusive with all the Pointdevice endings (Reisen says nobody else took the elixir) except Reisen's, who says she'll have to go herself if nobody else would. Or then again I guess the Pointdevice endings have none of them actually use the elixir, so...

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