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Yoichi Wada is finally out as CEO of SquareEnix after losing the company over $100 million in the last quarter (and years of consistant mismanagement).

And for some reason, 3.4 million sales of Tomb Raider in less than a month (and this excludes digital sales) is apparently underperforming for them...  Just what kind of expectations did they have?  Or would have been more accurate to say the sales of Eidos developed games weren't covering the losses SquareEnix was creating for itself?

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Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2013, 07:29:12 AM »
To be entirely fair, Tomb Raider, as well as even the likes of Sleeping Dogs and other "kind of new" IPs have pretty spectacular numbers off their own merits.

The only logical explanation for their seeming disappointment is that they probably weren't seen as making up the deficits that Square-Enix were already suffering. At the same time, they've spread themselves rather thin... Remember FFXIII Versus? :V Is that ever going to be a thing?

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Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2013, 07:34:54 AM »
I don't think this will change much as of now. I lost all hope to good games of SE. All we're getting this year are "REMASTERED HD" games. I'm not saying I don't want to, but come on...where are the games?

Where's FFXIII Versus? Where's Kingdom Hearts III? Where's new Dragon Quest(oh wait...)? I am sick of Lightning this, and Lightning that. I feel sorry for Lightning being part of "that one cursed title of a franchise". Now I see that "XIII" is an unlucky number.
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Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2013, 07:38:47 AM »
I don't think this will change much as of now. I lost all hope to good games of SE. All we're getting this year are "REMASTERED HD" games. I'm not saying I don't want to, but come on...

As long as the general consumer base want their remastered HD junk games, then they will keep producing them.

Did you see the general sentiment towards FFX remastered HD? It was surprisingly positive.

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Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2013, 07:40:53 AM »
As long as the general consumer base want their remastered HD junk games, then they will keep producing them.

Did you see the general sentiment towards FFX remastered HD? It was surprisingly positive.
Oh the general public...it's not like any improvement over the gameplay has been done, rather than it being HD. I'm wondering if it'll receive higher rating reviews than the original, and has the "innovative, creative, better than the original" comments.



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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2013, 07:41:21 AM »
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« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2013, 08:06:24 AM »
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Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2013, 08:12:59 AM »
Oh the general public...it's not like any improvement over the gameplay has been done, rather than it being HD. I'm wondering if it'll receive higher rating reviews than the original, and has the "innovative, creative, better than the original" comments.
To be fair, at least for those of us in the west, FFX+X-2 HD will have new content. They're going to be the International versions that are being rereleased - so english players will finally have access to the extended postgame of FFX and the extra maingame content/Last Mission of FFX-2.  Also, hey, two of my favourite FF games on a portable device.

The reality is that "HD Updates" are basically the modern version of just porting games to a new system.  They don't require huge budgets, but people will pick them up for a variety of reasons, from "I wasn't able to play this game before" to "I really want an excuse to replay it".  They work.

I think the honest problem is that Square is succumbing to the problem that comes with being a modern "Triple A Gaming" company.  Everything has to have absolutely huge production values and it's only going to get higher and higher as we get into the new generation era of consoles.  Even if a game's sales are a few million, the sheer cost of developping is failing to be evened out because games are requiring years of time in development and still getting rushed out the door when they finally escapes development hell (XIII-Versus is the obviously famous example but even XIII itself spent way longer being scrapped and restarted than it did in actual production to my understanding).  It's what brought THQ down and it's causing other companies to start struggling that otherwise were doing fine (among, y'know, other issues).

I mean hell look at what Drake posted.  FF games used to be released a couple years apart.  That development cycle has become significantly longer and now requires significantly more people as well.  Even if a game did just as well as it would have before it would hardly be recouping losses anymore.

So, I mean it's shitty, but to use another example here: Why would they make a Kingdom Hearts 3?  At this point the development costs and times associated with it would be huge, especially to fulfill expectations.  Meanwhile, rereleasing older games with "HD Graphics" and focusing on developping new content on cheaper-development handhelds gives the company the income it needs for bigger projects.
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Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2013, 08:42:42 AM »
One of the major contributors to THQ's downfall was the uDraw though.  :derp:

Mega-publishers really need to start having some modicum of concern for their particular bit of the industry, though.

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« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2013, 02:24:32 PM »
To be fair, at least for those of us in the west, FFX+X-2 HD will have new content. They're going to be the International versions that are being rereleased - so english players will finally have access to the extended postgame of FFX and the extra maingame content/Last Mission of FFX-2.  Also, hey, two of my favourite FF games on a portable device.

The reality is that "HD Updates" are basically the modern version of just porting games to a new system.  They don't require huge budgets, but people will pick them up for a variety of reasons, from "I wasn't able to play this game before" to "I really want an excuse to replay it".  They work.

I think the honest problem is that Square is succumbing to the problem that comes with being a modern "Triple A Gaming" company.  Everything has to have absolutely huge production values and it's only going to get higher and higher as we get into the new generation era of consoles.  Even if a game's sales are a few million, the sheer cost of developping is failing to be evened out because games are requiring years of time in development and still getting rushed out the door when they finally escapes development hell (XIII-Versus is the obviously famous example but even XIII itself spent way longer being scrapped and restarted than it did in actual production to my understanding).  It's what brought THQ down and it's causing other companies to start struggling that otherwise were doing fine (among, y'know, other issues).

I mean hell look at what Drake posted.  FF games used to be released a couple years apart.  That development cycle has become significantly longer and now requires significantly more people as well.  Even if a game did just as well as it would have before it would hardly be recouping losses anymore.

So, I mean it's shitty, but to use another example here: Why would they make a Kingdom Hearts 3?  At this point the development costs and times associated with it would be huge, especially to fulfill expectations.  Meanwhile, rereleasing older games with "HD Graphics" and focusing on developping new content on cheaper-development handhelds gives the company the income it needs for bigger projects.
(How the hell did I made a reqoute of my post? lol)

Anyways, in my personal experience. I never liked FFX-2. I mean, if you ever think about it. Sequels/Prequels to FF games are always "incomplete" in a way than the original. I'm not saying I hate them, FFVII sequels and prequels rock. So sure, it's a way to get their profits  back up, but the thing is, Square Enix likes to give people a lot of hype, and they always expect high expectations. Look where they got themselves in now. They make HUGE games, instead of starting with smaller basic "new" games to get their income. Now they're desperate to even go as far to remasters. Well not that I'm complaining I don't want to play it myself(...heh, trophies.). Still they need to focus themselves to one game at a time, not tell the whole world that "We're developing an awesome game for ya guys", then a few months to a year later, "We're developing an awesome "new" game for ya guys". Developing teams doing separate yet at the same time the same work. This is one reason why they're losing their credentials, and dignity as a "one of the most famed Video Game companies". I mean, look at the games they've released EVEN as a publisher. The list is soooo longer than it was in the earlier years. Being a MEGA publisher also has it's downsides you know.

FFXIII Versus might already have claimed the longest FF in development from FFXII. Those excuse for "lack of team developers", and "couple of years apart" for each FF. With technology advancing so much these days, it would atleast be at the same speed as it was before, but no...they focus too much on a lot of games, THAT EVERYONE EXPECTS to be awesome.

Yeap, expectations, hype, and SOOO MUCH WORK. Sure they have a lot of subsidiaries(which is also a reason, they buy a lot of companies, which is stupid if it's just for the rights of a dead game), but that's not an excuse to focus on a lot of games. Recently I'm beginning to see Japan Studio and Atlus with Vanillaware doing better work than them.
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Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2013, 06:26:14 PM »
also relevant

this too
what.
No really, what. Mobile Gaming taken seriously? Mumopurgers being the future? New CEO is right in all his words, for sure. We never asked for this.

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« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2013, 08:44:21 PM »
Still they need to focus themselves to one game at a time, not tell the whole world that "We're developing an awesome game for ya guys", then a few months to a year later, "We're developing an awesome "new" game for ya guys". Developing teams doing separate yet at the same time the same work.
To be fair, they have to do this. As do 90% of companies. Otherwise, you get things like the artists sitting on their asses while the programmers are working, stuff like that. Even indie companies often start working on the next title before the previous one is finished.
Most likely they're focusing on making a lot of smaller products because there's less risk to them. I mean, they could put all their efforts into making KH3 or FFwhateverthefucknumber, but if it bombed, it would likely drag the entire company down with it. And considering how Universally Well-Liked the last couple of FF games have been, they probably don't want to risk it.

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« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2013, 08:58:35 PM »
what.
No really, what. Mobile Gaming taken seriously? Mumopurgers being the future? New CEO is right in all his words, for sure. We never asked for this.
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« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2013, 09:32:27 PM »
I think the honest problem is that Square is succumbing to the problem that comes with being a modern "Triple A Gaming" company.  Everything has to have absolutely huge production values and it's only going to get higher and higher as we get into the new generation era of consoles.  Even if a game's sales are a few million, the sheer cost of developping is failing to be evened out because games are requiring years of time in development and still getting rushed out the door when they finally escapes development hell (XIII-Versus is the obviously famous example but even XIII itself spent way longer being scrapped and restarted than it did in actual production to my understanding).  It's what brought THQ down and it's causing other companies to start struggling that otherwise were doing fine (among, y'know, other issues).

Agreed. I think the next gen is where things are going to come crashing down. Unfortunately, all that's left to fill the gap is shallow mobile games. Not a lot of indie developers on PC have their shit together.

Honestly, it's frustrating to see modern gamers look at non-photorealistic renders and go "LOOK AT THESE SHITTY GRAPHICS", it's just going to kill the industry in the end. PS2 graphics were fine IMO.

Also, this may or may not be true but I think I saw an article saying they're talking about Versus being reworked as FFXV. It would be foolish to just toss their work out the window at this point when they're not exactly raking in cash.

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« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2013, 10:01:40 PM »
Yeah, I've had the discussion before with friends. Triple A games can no longer sustain themselves with the ridiculous development costs. They need to sell at Call of Duty levels to even break even on some of these games.

A reckoning is coming, perhaps very soon, but I hope in its wake are a new wave of low-cost high-content games that are not centered solely on graphics.

In the meantime, I'll go back to squeeing over the fact Planescape: Torment is getting a spiritual sequel. Gotta love Kickstarter.

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« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2013, 01:12:06 AM »
I keep wondering to myself if we'll have another "Video Game Crash" incident.

Most likely in the near future, every game will be on PC. Consoles will be out of the market for good(as for selling cheap yet powerful gaming PC rigs).

To be fair, they have to do this. As do 90% of companies. Otherwise, you get things like the artists sitting on their asses while the programmers are working, stuff like that. Even indie companies often start working on the next title before the previous one is finished.
Most likely they're focusing on making a lot of smaller products because there's less risk to them. I mean, they could put all their efforts into making KH3 or FFwhateverthefucknumber, but if it bombed, it would likely drag the entire company down with it. And considering how Universally Well-Liked the last couple of FF games have been, they probably don't want to risk it.
If it's all about income. If you think about what they already did on the current FFs. I think they already tarnished the name.

If they actually did just focus on Versus, I'm pretty sure with all those "squeezed hype" it would've garnered them huge profits upon it's initial release on retail. I mean, there are a lot of hardcore fans out there, rarely a few would even wait for a review or ratings to come out. I would also do the same.
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« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2013, 01:27:27 AM »
also relevant

this too
1- MORE COMPANIES NEED TO DO THIS. Imagine how much better games like Bulletstorm and Mass Effect would be if the studied the games that were good in the first place? (and not being shackled by a larger publisher in the case of ME)

2- "[Wada] says that the success of this game will vindicate him in the future." I'm not sure how to feel about this. What's the likelihood that people will snap up the mobile game at the first opportunity?

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« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2013, 01:47:49 AM »
You know, with everything Square Enix has been doing and how everybody was talking about it and stuff, I feel like I'm the only person still waiting for TWEWY 2 and Valkyrie Profile 3: Hrist anymore.

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« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2013, 03:05:55 AM »
You know, with everything Square Enix has been doing and how everybody was talking about it and stuff, I feel like I'm the only person still waiting for TWEWY 2 and Valkyrie Profile 3: Hrist anymore.
No, no.  I'm with you there, still wanting a TWEWY2/VP3.  Hell, I still want a Star Ocean 5 if they can get someone working on it this time that actually can create a story/characters.

Also the story about them playing SMRPG is super neat, if unfortunately probably made up looking at the site (It's really hard to tell which articles on here are parodical and which are serious :/ )

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« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2013, 03:56:19 AM »
No, no.  I'm with you there, still wanting a TWEWY2/VP3.  Hell, I still want a Star Ocean 5 if they can get someone working on it this time that actually can create a story/characters.

Also the story about them playing SMRPG is super neat, if unfortunately probably made up looking at the site (It's really hard to tell which articles on here are parodical and which are serious :/ )
Pretty sure 100% parody. The SMRPG one was genius as almost believable until it got to the ideas they came up with as a result.

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« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2013, 04:04:06 AM »
Spoiler:
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« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2013, 06:22:09 AM »
No, no.  I'm with you there, still wanting a TWEWY2/VP3.  Hell, I still want a Star Ocean 5 if they can get someone working on it this time that actually can create a story/characters.
I don't think they'll be coming soon...I also want VP3 and SO 5, but with their current status, they'll be into finishing and polishing FFXIV, Versus, and FFXV, or et cetera.

This may go like how Capcom trolled everyone with Megaman Legends 3...curse them.



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« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2013, 06:28:09 AM »
Yeah, I know they won't be coming soon (Well, TWEWY2 might due to the relatively high success of Solo Remix and I'm to understand Live Remix is doing alright), but one can hope.

because sometimes all you've got is hope

we're still gonna get type-0 someday in english right?  ...right...?

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« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2013, 06:44:42 AM »
we're still gonna get type-0 someday in english right?  ...right...?
Why must you remind me of that false hope of a game?

Sometimes I wish SE would stop innovating and go back to the basics, like how they did Parasite Eve, and Vagrant Story.

All was done when Hironobu Sakaguchi left SE. Square made so many mistakes, also that time with Xenogears...if they just focused on that, we'd still be swimming in HD Xeno series.



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« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2013, 08:46:54 AM »
I don't think you can consider Vagrant Story as "going back to the basics," that thing was drat innovative for its time >_>


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« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2013, 10:34:15 AM »
I don't think you can consider Vagrant Story as "going back to the basics," that thing was drat innovative for its time >_>
It really was. It was quite unique in a number of ways. It also did all of these unique things WELL.

Speaking of which, where's the sequel where Callo Merlose, guided by her clairvoyance, runs after Ashley Riot after Ashley's mysterious disappearance? The original had SO much potential for a sequel.

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« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2013, 02:44:03 PM »
You guys keep speaking about versus XIII. Didn't they drop that name and just named it XV? I heard something like that. Also, considering how the last relevant valkyrie profile game is 7 years old already, I'm starting to think enix forgot about the series.

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« Reply #28 on: March 28, 2013, 11:52:19 PM »
You guys keep speaking about versus XIII. Didn't they drop that name and just named it XV? I heard something like that.
I don't know myself about XV. But AFAIK it's still not confirmed yet.
This was taken from Wikia, 'cause I don't want to search for review/gaming news sites.
"On March 19th, 2013, VG Leaks reported that not only has production been halted because of the failure and subsequent rebuilding of Final Fantasy XIV, but that it has been moved to the PlayStation 4 and was being co-developed by Sony as a PlayStation 4 exclusive and was reworked into Final Fantasy XV. Square Enix has responded to this claim on March 21st by saying they had no comment on the rumour"

Looking at it, Versus XIII won't be XV, but still might end up on PS4. Since Versus is part of the Fabula Nova Crystallis compilation, which is the "XIII series". Apparently, all this problems were rooted from their failures in Final Fantasy XIV.
Also, considering how the last relevant valkyrie profile game is 7 years old already, I'm starting to think enix forgot about the series.
Sadly, right now they're more into "Square Soft" games. Which they end up screwing up.




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« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2013, 01:21:46 PM »
I heard something like that. Also, considering how the last relevant valkyrie profile game is 7 years old already, I'm starting to think enix forgot about the series.
Well, the first VP was released then it took six years for Lenneth/Silmeria (and another 3 for Covenant
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