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Title: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Aya Reiko on March 27, 2013, 07:16:04 AM
Sauce: http://www.polygon.com/2013/3/26/4148094/square-enix-ceo-yoichi-wada-resigns

Yoichi Wada is finally out as CEO of SquareEnix after losing the company over $100 million in the last quarter (and years of consistant mismanagement).

And for some reason, 3.4 million sales of Tomb Raider in less than a month (and this excludes digital sales) is apparently underperforming for them...  Just what kind of expectations did they have?  Or would have been more accurate to say the sales of Eidos developed games weren't covering the losses SquareEnix was creating for itself?
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: trancehime on March 27, 2013, 07:29:12 AM
To be entirely fair, Tomb Raider, as well as even the likes of Sleeping Dogs and other "kind of new" IPs have pretty spectacular numbers off their own merits.

The only logical explanation for their seeming disappointment is that they probably weren't seen as making up the deficits that Square-Enix were already suffering. At the same time, they've spread themselves rather thin... Remember FFXIII Versus? :V Is that ever going to be a thing?
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Zerviscos on March 27, 2013, 07:34:54 AM
I don't think this will change much as of now. I lost all hope to good games of SE. All we're getting this year are "REMASTERED HD" games. I'm not saying I don't want to, but come on...where are the games?

Where's FFXIII Versus? Where's Kingdom Hearts III? Where's new Dragon Quest(oh wait...)? I am sick of Lightning this, and Lightning that. I feel sorry for Lightning being part of "that one cursed title of a franchise". Now I see that "XIII" is an unlucky number.
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: trancehime on March 27, 2013, 07:38:47 AM
I don't think this will change much as of now. I lost all hope to good games of SE. All we're getting this year are "REMASTERED HD" games. I'm not saying I don't want to, but come on...

As long as the general consumer base want their remastered HD junk games, then they will keep producing them.

Did you see the general sentiment towards FFX remastered HD? It was surprisingly positive.
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Zerviscos on March 27, 2013, 07:40:53 AM
As long as the general consumer base want their remastered HD junk games, then they will keep producing them.

Did you see the general sentiment towards FFX remastered HD? It was surprisingly positive.
Oh the general public...it's not like any improvement over the gameplay has been done, rather than it being HD. I'm wondering if it'll receive higher rating reviews than the original, and has the "innovative, creative, better than the original" comments.
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Zerviscos on March 27, 2013, 07:41:21 AM
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Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Drake on March 27, 2013, 08:06:24 AM
as i posted on another forum

(http://i.imgur.com/gHcRLz9.png)

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Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Garlyle on March 27, 2013, 08:12:59 AM
Oh the general public...it's not like any improvement over the gameplay has been done, rather than it being HD. I'm wondering if it'll receive higher rating reviews than the original, and has the "innovative, creative, better than the original" comments.
To be fair, at least for those of us in the west, FFX+X-2 HD will have new content. They're going to be the International versions that are being rereleased - so english players will finally have access to the extended postgame of FFX and the extra maingame content/Last Mission of FFX-2.  Also, hey, two of my favourite FF games on a portable device.

The reality is that "HD Updates" are basically the modern version of just porting games to a new system.  They don't require huge budgets, but people will pick them up for a variety of reasons, from "I wasn't able to play this game before" to "I really want an excuse to replay it".  They work.

I think the honest problem is that Square is succumbing to the problem that comes with being a modern "Triple A Gaming" company.  Everything has to have absolutely huge production values and it's only going to get higher and higher as we get into the new generation era of consoles.  Even if a game's sales are a few million, the sheer cost of developping is failing to be evened out because games are requiring years of time in development and still getting rushed out the door when they finally escapes development hell (XIII-Versus is the obviously famous example but even XIII itself spent way longer being scrapped and restarted than it did in actual production to my understanding).  It's what brought THQ down and it's causing other companies to start struggling that otherwise were doing fine (among, y'know, other issues).

I mean hell look at what Drake posted.  FF games used to be released a couple years apart.  That development cycle has become significantly longer and now requires significantly more people as well.  Even if a game did just as well as it would have before it would hardly be recouping losses anymore.

So, I mean it's shitty, but to use another example here: Why would they make a Kingdom Hearts 3?  At this point the development costs and times associated with it would be huge, especially to fulfill expectations.  Meanwhile, rereleasing older games with "HD Graphics" and focusing on developping new content on cheaper-development handhelds gives the company the income it needs for bigger projects.
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: trancehime on March 27, 2013, 08:42:42 AM
One of the major contributors to THQ's downfall was the uDraw though.  :derp:

Mega-publishers really need to start having some modicum of concern for their particular bit of the industry, though.
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Zerviscos on March 27, 2013, 02:24:32 PM
To be fair, at least for those of us in the west, FFX+X-2 HD will have new content. They're going to be the International versions that are being rereleased - so english players will finally have access to the extended postgame of FFX and the extra maingame content/Last Mission of FFX-2.  Also, hey, two of my favourite FF games on a portable device.

The reality is that "HD Updates" are basically the modern version of just porting games to a new system.  They don't require huge budgets, but people will pick them up for a variety of reasons, from "I wasn't able to play this game before" to "I really want an excuse to replay it".  They work.

I think the honest problem is that Square is succumbing to the problem that comes with being a modern "Triple A Gaming" company.  Everything has to have absolutely huge production values and it's only going to get higher and higher as we get into the new generation era of consoles.  Even if a game's sales are a few million, the sheer cost of developping is failing to be evened out because games are requiring years of time in development and still getting rushed out the door when they finally escapes development hell (XIII-Versus is the obviously famous example but even XIII itself spent way longer being scrapped and restarted than it did in actual production to my understanding).  It's what brought THQ down and it's causing other companies to start struggling that otherwise were doing fine (among, y'know, other issues).

I mean hell look at what Drake posted.  FF games used to be released a couple years apart.  That development cycle has become significantly longer and now requires significantly more people as well.  Even if a game did just as well as it would have before it would hardly be recouping losses anymore.

So, I mean it's shitty, but to use another example here: Why would they make a Kingdom Hearts 3?  At this point the development costs and times associated with it would be huge, especially to fulfill expectations.  Meanwhile, rereleasing older games with "HD Graphics" and focusing on developping new content on cheaper-development handhelds gives the company the income it needs for bigger projects.
(How the hell did I made a reqoute of my post? lol)

Anyways, in my personal experience. I never liked FFX-2. I mean, if you ever think about it. Sequels/Prequels to FF games are always "incomplete" in a way than the original. I'm not saying I hate them, FFVII sequels and prequels rock. So sure, it's a way to get their profits  back up, but the thing is, Square Enix likes to give people a lot of hype, and they always expect high expectations. Look where they got themselves in now. They make HUGE games, instead of starting with smaller basic "new" games to get their income. Now they're desperate to even go as far to remasters. Well not that I'm complaining I don't want to play it myself(...heh, trophies.). Still they need to focus themselves to one game at a time, not tell the whole world that "We're developing an awesome game for ya guys", then a few months to a year later, "We're developing an awesome "new" game for ya guys". Developing teams doing separate yet at the same time the same work. This is one reason why they're losing their credentials, and dignity as a "one of the most famed Video Game companies". I mean, look at the games they've released EVEN as a publisher. The list is soooo longer than it was in the earlier years. Being a MEGA publisher also has it's downsides you know.

FFXIII Versus might already have claimed the longest FF in development from FFXII. Those excuse for "lack of team developers", and "couple of years apart" for each FF. With technology advancing so much these days, it would atleast be at the same speed as it was before, but no...they focus too much on a lot of games, THAT EVERYONE EXPECTS to be awesome.

Yeap, expectations, hype, and SOOO MUCH WORK. Sure they have a lot of subsidiaries(which is also a reason, they buy a lot of companies, which is stupid if it's just for the rights of a dead game), but that's not an excuse to focus on a lot of games. Recently I'm beginning to see Japan Studio and Atlus with Vanillaware doing better work than them.
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Drake on March 27, 2013, 05:39:12 PM
also relevant (http://www.p4rgaming.com/?p=1507)

this too (http://www.p4rgaming.com/?p=1702)
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on March 27, 2013, 06:26:14 PM
also relevant (http://www.p4rgaming.com/?p=1507)

this too (http://www.p4rgaming.com/?p=1702)
what.
No really, what. Mobile Gaming taken seriously? Mumopurgers being the future? New CEO is right in all his words, for sure. We never asked for this.
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Desu_Cake on March 27, 2013, 08:44:21 PM
Still they need to focus themselves to one game at a time, not tell the whole world that "We're developing an awesome game for ya guys", then a few months to a year later, "We're developing an awesome "new" game for ya guys". Developing teams doing separate yet at the same time the same work.
To be fair, they have to do this. As do 90% of companies. Otherwise, you get things like the artists sitting on their asses while the programmers are working, stuff like that. Even indie companies often start working on the next title before the previous one is finished.
Most likely they're focusing on making a lot of smaller products because there's less risk to them. I mean, they could put all their efforts into making KH3 or FFwhateverthefucknumber, but if it bombed, it would likely drag the entire company down with it. And considering how Universally Well-Liked the last couple of FF games have been, they probably don't want to risk it.
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Drake on March 27, 2013, 08:58:35 PM
what.
No really, what. Mobile Gaming taken seriously? Mumopurgers being the future? New CEO is right in all his words, for sure. We never asked for this.
parody
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Stuffman on March 27, 2013, 09:32:27 PM
I think the honest problem is that Square is succumbing to the problem that comes with being a modern "Triple A Gaming" company.  Everything has to have absolutely huge production values and it's only going to get higher and higher as we get into the new generation era of consoles.  Even if a game's sales are a few million, the sheer cost of developping is failing to be evened out because games are requiring years of time in development and still getting rushed out the door when they finally escapes development hell (XIII-Versus is the obviously famous example but even XIII itself spent way longer being scrapped and restarted than it did in actual production to my understanding).  It's what brought THQ down and it's causing other companies to start struggling that otherwise were doing fine (among, y'know, other issues).

Agreed. I think the next gen is where things are going to come crashing down. Unfortunately, all that's left to fill the gap is shallow mobile games. Not a lot of indie developers on PC have their shit together.

Honestly, it's frustrating to see modern gamers look at non-photorealistic renders and go "LOOK AT THESE SHITTY GRAPHICS", it's just going to kill the industry in the end. PS2 graphics were fine IMO.

Also, this may or may not be true but I think I saw an article saying they're talking about Versus being reworked as FFXV. It would be foolish to just toss their work out the window at this point when they're not exactly raking in cash.
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Jmyster on March 27, 2013, 10:01:40 PM
Yeah, I've had the discussion before with friends. Triple A games can no longer sustain themselves with the ridiculous development costs. They need to sell at Call of Duty levels to even break even on some of these games.

A reckoning is coming, perhaps very soon, but I hope in its wake are a new wave of low-cost high-content games that are not centered solely on graphics.

In the meantime, I'll go back to squeeing over the fact Planescape: Torment is getting a spiritual sequel. Gotta love Kickstarter.
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Zerviscos on March 28, 2013, 01:12:06 AM
I keep wondering to myself if we'll have another "Video Game Crash" incident.

Most likely in the near future, every game will be on PC. Consoles will be out of the market for good(as for selling cheap yet powerful gaming PC rigs).

To be fair, they have to do this. As do 90% of companies. Otherwise, you get things like the artists sitting on their asses while the programmers are working, stuff like that. Even indie companies often start working on the next title before the previous one is finished.
Most likely they're focusing on making a lot of smaller products because there's less risk to them. I mean, they could put all their efforts into making KH3 or FFwhateverthefucknumber, but if it bombed, it would likely drag the entire company down with it. And considering how Universally Well-Liked the last couple of FF games have been, they probably don't want to risk it.
If it's all about income. If you think about what they already did on the current FFs. I think they already tarnished the name.

If they actually did just focus on Versus, I'm pretty sure with all those "squeezed hype" it would've garnered them huge profits upon it's initial release on retail. I mean, there are a lot of hardcore fans out there, rarely a few would even wait for a review or ratings to come out. I would also do the same.
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Third Eye Lem on March 28, 2013, 01:27:27 AM
also relevant (http://www.p4rgaming.com/?p=1507)

this too (http://www.p4rgaming.com/?p=1702)
1- MORE COMPANIES NEED TO DO THIS. Imagine how much better games like Bulletstorm and Mass Effect would be if the studied the games that were good in the first place? (and not being shackled by a larger publisher in the case of ME)

2- "[Wada] says that the success of this game will vindicate him in the future." I'm not sure how to feel about this. What's the likelihood that people will snap up the mobile game at the first opportunity?
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 28, 2013, 01:47:49 AM
You know, with everything Square Enix has been doing and how everybody was talking about it and stuff, I feel like I'm the only person still waiting for TWEWY 2 and Valkyrie Profile 3: Hrist anymore.
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Garlyle on March 28, 2013, 03:05:55 AM
You know, with everything Square Enix has been doing and how everybody was talking about it and stuff, I feel like I'm the only person still waiting for TWEWY 2 and Valkyrie Profile 3: Hrist anymore.
No, no.  I'm with you there, still wanting a TWEWY2/VP3.  Hell, I still want a Star Ocean 5 if they can get someone working on it this time that actually can create a story/characters.

Also the story about them playing SMRPG is super neat, if unfortunately probably made up looking at the site (It's really hard to tell which articles on here are parodical and which are serious :/ )
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Think Komachi with a Rifle on March 28, 2013, 03:56:19 AM
No, no.  I'm with you there, still wanting a TWEWY2/VP3.  Hell, I still want a Star Ocean 5 if they can get someone working on it this time that actually can create a story/characters.

Also the story about them playing SMRPG is super neat, if unfortunately probably made up looking at the site (It's really hard to tell which articles on here are parodical and which are serious :/ )
Pretty sure 100% parody. The SMRPG one was genius as almost believable until it got to the ideas they came up with as a result.
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: trancehime on March 28, 2013, 04:04:06 AM
parody

Hey, GREE games are taken totally seriously in Japan.

TOTALLY A LEGIT MARKET
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Zerviscos on March 28, 2013, 06:22:09 AM
No, no.  I'm with you there, still wanting a TWEWY2/VP3.  Hell, I still want a Star Ocean 5 if they can get someone working on it this time that actually can create a story/characters.
I don't think they'll be coming soon...I also want VP3 and SO 5, but with their current status, they'll be into finishing and polishing FFXIV, Versus, and FFXV, or et cetera.

This may go like how Capcom trolled everyone with Megaman Legends 3...curse them.
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Garlyle on March 28, 2013, 06:28:09 AM
Yeah, I know they won't be coming soon (Well, TWEWY2 might due to the relatively high success of Solo Remix and I'm to understand Live Remix is doing alright), but one can hope.

because sometimes all you've got is hope

we're still gonna get type-0 someday in english right?  ...right...?
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Zerviscos on March 28, 2013, 06:44:42 AM
we're still gonna get type-0 someday in english right?  ...right...?
Why must you remind me of that false hope of a game?

Sometimes I wish SE would stop innovating and go back to the basics, like how they did Parasite Eve, and Vagrant Story.

All was done when Hironobu Sakaguchi left SE. Square made so many mistakes, also that time with Xenogears...if they just focused on that, we'd still be swimming in HD Xeno series.
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: trancehime on March 28, 2013, 08:46:54 AM
I don't think you can consider Vagrant Story as "going back to the basics," that thing was drat innovative for its time >_>

Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Reddyne on March 28, 2013, 10:34:15 AM
I don't think you can consider Vagrant Story as "going back to the basics," that thing was drat innovative for its time >_>
It really was. It was quite unique in a number of ways. It also did all of these unique things WELL.

Speaking of which, where's the sequel where Callo Merlose, guided by her clairvoyance, runs after Ashley Riot after Ashley's mysterious disappearance? The original had SO much potential for a sequel.
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 28, 2013, 02:44:03 PM
You guys keep speaking about versus XIII. Didn't they drop that name and just named it XV? I heard something like that. Also, considering how the last relevant valkyrie profile game is 7 years old already, I'm starting to think enix forgot about the series.
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Zerviscos on March 28, 2013, 11:52:19 PM
You guys keep speaking about versus XIII. Didn't they drop that name and just named it XV? I heard something like that.
I don't know myself about XV. But AFAIK it's still not confirmed yet.
This was taken from Wikia, 'cause I don't want to search for review/gaming news sites.
"On March 19th, 2013, VG Leaks reported that not only has production been halted because of the failure and subsequent rebuilding of Final Fantasy XIV, but that it has been moved to the PlayStation 4 and was being co-developed by Sony as a PlayStation 4 exclusive and was reworked into Final Fantasy XV. Square Enix has responded to this claim on March 21st by saying they had no comment on the rumour"

Looking at it, Versus XIII won't be XV, but still might end up on PS4. Since Versus is part of the Fabula Nova Crystallis compilation, which is the "XIII series". Apparently, all this problems were rooted from their failures in Final Fantasy XIV.
Also, considering how the last relevant valkyrie profile game is 7 years old already, I'm starting to think enix forgot about the series.
Sadly, right now they're more into "Square Soft" games. Which they end up screwing up.

Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Garlyle on March 29, 2013, 01:21:46 PM
I heard something like that. Also, considering how the last relevant valkyrie profile game is 7 years old already, I'm starting to think enix forgot about the series.
Well, the first VP was released then it took six years for Lenneth/Silmeria (and another 3 for Covenant
which I actually really enjoyed
).  And it's Tri-Ace who have been the devloppers of the series so it's more a matter of what they want to do I think.
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Ghaleon on April 04, 2013, 01:40:40 AM
I just saw dis thread.

First, I'd KILL for another non-portable Valkyria chronicle...err.. valkyrie profile game! Just tell me who!

That said, I have a feeling that old CEO dude has some kinda sore point regarding lightning being female. Like, I don't think he's taking it personally that people don't like lightning, I think he's taking it personally they they don't like a female MC, whether he knows it or not. But I can't say I should know since I really haven't played those FF games much, nor have I researched that whole angle of opinions about it. It's just a hunch.

But the real issue I wanted to comment on was the whole "Triple-A" business. Frankly, I hate the term, I hate what it stands for, and I hate what it's doing to the whole industry, and I have for years. I mean I have played and even loved more than one triple-A game myself, but the fact that game developers, reviewers, journalists, etc all seem to think that triple-A is some kind of STANDARD, and everything else is crap or casual is really hurting the industry. I don't think there will be a big huge crash for all of gaming per say, because the whole doujin/indie scene is larger now than it ever has been before, and those developers aren't really affected by the triple-A crowd I don't think. But it IS hurting the rate of which games (even indie ones) evolve IMO.

I mean alot of game designers/devs like to try and make their games based off other games, only with a tweak or change or whatever in certain area. I mean Torchlight is very clearly "Diablo, only with ____", and media is completely deadset against games having different elements or whatever in certain catagories. I mean people way overrate innovation and uniqueness IMO, but at the same time people are so darn pigeon-holed with other elements in games.

For example, I think RPG devs should steal a little bit of stuff from strategy games, and I don't mean tile based tactical combat. I mean new game options menu. Strategy games offer the player all kinds of global-scale customization. Size of the worst, speed of research, # of players, planet climate, land/water ratio, special event frequency, difficulty, AI diplomacy stubbornness, etc. Now obviously # of players and such woudln't make sense in an RPG, and alot of those other options would be way too hard to impliment in an RPG. But I'm talking about that option for the player to adjust the game how they like it when they start it at all! In an RPG I'd love to see things like: Exp gain coefficient, Gold gain coefficient, drop rate coefficient, enemy difficulty scaling (preferably separate sliders for hp, damage, defense, avoidance, spawn rate), etc. Fact is nobody seems interested in this change but me. Yet nobody has said why either, I don't think it's because people think it's a bad idea, nor do I think it's because anybody think it'll be too much time/budget to impliment (It'd be dirt easy actually). I think people simply like...just...they don't think about it, they take it for granted. They're CONDITIONED to think "RPGs can't do that!", PERIOD. I mean I'm all ears for anybody giving me a legitimate reason why NOT to do that, but I just can't think of any (don't complain about balance, if you care about balance just leave it at default). I think it's like that Dyson vaccuum motto where the guy says his goal is to design them by addressing issues everyone else "seems" to ignore. People are so hard set on complaining that an rpg requires too much grinding, or is too easy because you grind so fast, or whatever. My solution would satisfy both crowds, and I can't think of any downsides.

That said, that whole "play mario RPG" thing is a pretty cool idea, but that just supports what I'm trying to say. Game developers these days seem to rely on other games as a design "crutch" so to speak so much that it seems like they completely forgot how to design from the ground up. Not that they can't create really unique new ideas and concepts, but that it STILL feels like they force some kinda template on what their game's genre MUST HAVE to begin with (sometimes they make games that don't really fit ANY genre, and it truly is unique from the ground up, but if it fits into a genre, it almost always has that same template that nobody seems to change). I mean I think the concept of designing a game based off other games you like is a perfectly good idea, I don't demand 100% innovation all the time. I think that's dumb actually, but the "template chunks" if you will are large, and people seem to be unable to splice these "template chunks" at all. This is very much a larger issue with commercial gaming than indie/doujin, but I still think commercial has a strong influence no matter who the developers are.

That said, the guy who said he liked the minigame content in mario rpg kinda makes me cry a little. I mean sometimes I love minigames (xenosaga ep1's cardgame that means you), but I find most games which include minigames that you must play make me wish the whole minigame fad died horribly.
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Jq1790 on April 04, 2013, 02:09:27 AM
but I find most games which include minigames that you must play make me wish the whole minigame fad died horribly.
Mingames in games?  Good if executed right.

Minigames you HAVE to play to beat the game?  No.
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Drake on April 04, 2013, 03:00:06 AM
but the fact that game developers, reviewers, journalists, etc all seem to think that triple-A is some kind of STANDARD, and everything else is crap or casual
?????????
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Aya Reiko on April 04, 2013, 06:07:54 AM
I mean I have played and even loved more than one triple-A game myself, but the fact that game developers, reviewers, journalists, etc all seem to think that triple-A is some kind of STANDARD, and everything else is crap or casual is really hurting the industry.
...

And yet games like FTL has been getting GOTY honors from the very same journalists...
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Ghaleon on April 04, 2013, 07:57:09 PM
Pardon me, I should have stated the majority seem to think. Not sure what to say if you disagree with that. It's true that indie games get mass recognition sometimes. But I still see very little about them in general over commercial, and I'm not even counting the obviously left out ones due to no publicity. But the ones on steam or something rather.
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Drake on April 04, 2013, 08:49:15 PM
But being commercial doesn't imply AAA status, and indie games not being heavily publicised doesn't say anything about how AAA titles are received. It's basically a given to begin with that indie games won't be covered well unless they attain popularity, so news coverage at that point is redundant. The issue is that you claim the majority think that AAA is a par standard somehow (and that everything below is crap) when it makes no sense at all even without pointing out being AAA is a matter of studio and budget, not quality. The claim is bogus from all angles.
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 04, 2013, 10:07:57 PM
This gen might be the end of the Xbox and Playstation, but the one company that I can guarantee will stand through it all is Nintendo. Their current games may be a bit more formulaic (the Mario series in particular), but they are still doing amazingly in the market, their games are selling well, and they're still getting released in a timely manner.

In a console generation some people are decrying to be the end of console gaming, I can still see Nintendo staying strong. They might not have as much third party support, but first party games are all they really need to sell their console in the end.
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Ghaleon on April 05, 2013, 07:34:20 AM
But being commercial doesn't imply AAA status, and indie games not being heavily publicised doesn't say anything about how AAA titles are received. It's basically a given to begin with that indie games won't be covered well unless they attain popularity, so news coverage at that point is redundant. The issue is that you claim the majority think that AAA is a par standard somehow (and that everything below is crap) when it makes no sense at all even without pointing out being AAA is a matter of studio and budget, not quality. The claim is bogus from all angles.

Well I know commercial != AAA, and I know it's more about budget than quality (not to be mistaken for high-fidelity whatever)...But from my point of view, I disagree in the sense that it does seem there is an unhealthy number of regular consumers AND critics who are more interested in pointing out the optional cosmetic stuff that many non triple-A games lack than they are pointing out other more game-oriented issues. This may be innacurate based on the people I see and hear, or vice versa but whatever. The majority of my post was talking about the whole imaginary "template" thing anyway, not really the AAA part =P.
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: trancehime on April 07, 2013, 01:04:16 AM
In a console generation some people are decrying to be the end of console gaming, I can still see Nintendo staying strong. They might not have as much third party support, but first party games are all they really need to sell their console in the end.

When people are probably going to agree with me that the 3DS is stronger than the Wii U? :derp:

Well I know commercial != AAA, and I know it's more about budget than quality (not to be mistaken for high-fidelity whatever)...But from my point of view, I disagree in the sense that it does seem there is an unhealthy number of regular consumers AND critics who are more interested in pointing out the optional cosmetic stuff that many non triple-A games lack than they are pointing out other more game-oriented issues. This may be innacurate based on the people I see and hear, or vice versa but whatever. The majority of my post was talking about the whole imaginary "template" thing anyway, not really the AAA part =P.

That's because of a wonderful thing called expectations >_>

Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Tommy Vercetti on April 09, 2013, 07:22:46 AM
All I have to say about Wada's ouster: I am surprised it didn't happen sooner. The first FFXIII game was a mixed bag. A handful of the games in development seemed to vanish in thin air and XIV was a PR disaster. That pretty much sums Wada's tenure right there.

I'm just hoping for Dragon Quest VII to be released in the United States. Considering the PSX version nets well over a hundred dollars?it'll be good to see if/when Nintendo gets the green light to publish this game overseas.
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: Aya Reiko on April 11, 2013, 02:38:10 PM
To illustrate how brick dumb SE is, it turns out the (grossly inflated) expectations of Tomb Raider, Hitman, and Sleeping Dogs sales were based on Metacritic scores.  If ever there was a moment for an Epic Facepalm, this is it.

Really, they were expecting Tomb Raider to sell in the 5-6 million range in the first month, that's damned near Skyrim territory.

Sources:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/09/square-enix-reveals-sales-expectations-for-tomb-raider
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCnYNerkTIk&t=17m27s
http://bit.ly/10Q9fjy
Title: Re: SquareEnix CEO ousted. (Good riddance to even more bad rubbish)
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on April 13, 2013, 07:21:07 PM
This is old news but still relevant:

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/12/04/hijinks-square-say-threaten-hits-on-your-friends/

Words fail me.