Super Touhou RPG ~ Abandoned due to mod (Pesco's) screwups

[Ramus]

Edible, biting the cheese has got to be the worst stealth pun you could pick.  Now, honestly, how much of threat do you think UK can be?  She does anything remotely odd, we just tackle her into submission.  She's borderline with HP anyway and I don't believe you've given any concrete reason to knock UK off.

[FinnKaenbyou]

Edible, two points.

1. If this card allowed you to take less damage in general overall, why didn't you activate it on Day 1? Logically that'd be the best tactic.
2. More obviously, isn't a card that specialises in survival notably scum-oriented?

I don't like this claim. Given that spellcards are basically shields anyway, saying that's all it does feel particularly off to me.

[UncertainJakutten]

Edible, two points.

1. If this card allowed you to take less damage in general overall, why didn't you activate it on Day 1? Logically that'd be the best tactic.
2. More obviously, isn't a card that specialises in survival notably scum-oriented?

I don't like this claim. Given that spellcards are basically shields anyway, saying that's all it does feel particularly off to me.

One problem. Spellcards were determined by choice, and AFTER alignment.

You cannot claim a spellcard is scummy.

[FinnKaenbyou]

Can't ascertain that each character didn't have a Town card and a scum card, and the one they got was relevant to their affiliation. After all, a scum player getting a cop role is just plain stupid, which is why people were willing to go along with your claim.

[Serp]

Uh, folks?

Serp has taken 3 damage

In short: ##Wrap spider in own web (Tackle Serp)

##Heal Serpentarius

Serp has taken 5 damage

Something hurt me.  It's either a scum ability, or it's a spellcard.

@Mods:  Can spellcards be targeted by private message, or must all commands be posted in public?

[UncertainJakutten]

@Mods:  Can spellcards be targeted by private message, or must all commands be posted in public?

* UncertainKitten loads a gun and shoots herself in the foot.

From what Pesco was telling me the first time I tried declaring, they can be targetted by PM.

I did not choose this option and I targetted Edible in public. This should be evidenced by me knowing his HP before he claimed it.

[Ramus]

Think of when you got the Youmu doctor role in PatchCon Mafia, Roukanken.

(Sorry, just felt a need to point that one out.)


EDIT:  But do you have anything concrete to back that up?  Granted, I'm all for set up speculation, but geez, that's overly meta.

EDIT2:  TO THE PREVIOUS DAY!  Because of Serp's comment.  Or Drake does three damage.  I don't know, did tackle anyone before?

EDIT3:  Er, what?

[Seian Verian]

A scummy spellcard?

*ShiningDrake is cut by UK before he can speak*

Okay... But-

*Cut by Rou*

<_<; I was about to mention this but only to say that this would only be at all worthy of consideration IF WE ACTUALLY KNEW IT WAS BEING DONE...

*cut by Serp and UK*

...Crud. So basically, scum really DO have a hidden way to damage people if attacks can be done via PM.

*cut by Ramus*

This is reminding me of watching the rate of posting in the last game...

[Ramus]

Heh, nothing.

Well, I see a few possibilities:

1.  Scum actually can snipe.

2.  Edible or UK did something sneaky.

I'll be back to expand on that later.

[Seian Verian]

Didn't notice Ramus' comment about damage. No, I only do one point.

*cut*

...

[Ramus]

How much damage do you typically do?  We can confirm this by hitting Nietz who's been racking up some extra HP.  I doubt he'll be in danger if you even do 4 damage, he's two over the top.

[Seian Verian]

You're... Talking to me, right? First, I already used up my action today if you don't recall, so I can't test this right now, and second, I already told you that my damage is one point... Unless there's some kind of hidden ability I wasn't told about, then that's all I'm gonna do at once ever...

[Ramus]

Shit and damn.  I need time to think about this.

[Nietz]

Something hurt me.  It's either a scum ability, or it's a spellcard.

See? That's exactly why I was against keeping people with low health.
I get some question/scenarios from it:
If UK is town, wouldn't scum target her before she could use her spellcard?
Or would they target Serp to further frame her?
If Serp is scum, could he or his buddy target him with this purpose?

How much damage do you typically do?  We can confirm this by hitting Nietz who's been racking up some extra HP.  I doubt he'll be in danger if you even do 4 damage, he's two over the top.

Meh, my initial HP wasn't so great. But I guess I wouldn't mind doing this to test Drake, but if he's lying about his damage he'll be found sooner or later anyway.

[Seian Verian]

I just thought of something.

@Mods: Is it possible that a character might have hidden abilities that even their players aren't told about?

[Edible]

1. If this card allowed you to take less damage in general overall, why didn't you activate it on Day 1? Logically that'd be the best tactic.

Because, like all spellcards, mine has a duration?  I was trying to save it for a good time.

I'm not covering the second question because:

Can't ascertain that each character didn't have a Town card and a scum card, and the one they got was relevant to their affiliation. After all, a scum player getting a cop role is just plain stupid, which is why people were willing to go along with your claim.

A scum player getting a cop role is stupid, but entirely possible.  Remember Ramus' last game?  Jan-san was a scum cop.

From what Pesco was telling me the first time I tried declaring, they can be targetted by PM.

Wait, what?  ... Can you elaborate on this?  o_O

Why in the world would you have tried to declare in private?  When did this conversation come up?

I think UK just slipped.

Regarding Serp's damage, it's entirely possible the mod screwed up the count.  I'd wait for confirmation.

[Affinity]

I'm all for finishing off UK, to be honest.  We don't know how this game works, and I think a few flips are in order even at the expense of a townie (if she's one), so that the game can move on.  Because... telling us HP is not really useful information and can be attributed to either town or scum.  Kind of funny that HP is gold, though.  In lieu of her past actions, I think this is the right course of action unless he does something townie (as opposed to killing her 'only' when she does something wrong).

##Tackle: UK

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Serp's extra damage might be due to scum actions, but really, argh.

[Affinity]

EBWOP:

Furthermore, I feel that a UK flip will tell us much more about Ramus, Drake, and to some extent, Rou.

[UncertainJakutten]

Wait, what?  ... Can you elaborate on this?  o_O

Why in the world would you have tried to declare in private?  When did this conversation come up?

I think UK just slipped.

I did NOT try to declare in private. Thank you for twisting my words.

What happened was when I declared my spell card, Pesco told me to PM a target to him and Umu, implying it could be done secretly.

I told him that I wasn't going to do that. I asked him why he asked and I think the response was something to the effect that you should declare a target when you declare a spellcard. Which was odd because I know spellcards have a shield so why should we immediately use them?

I'm all for finishing off UK, to be honest.  We don't know how this game works, and I think a few flips are in order even at the expense of a townie (if she's one), so that the game can move on.  Because... telling us HP is not really useful information and can be attributed to either town or scum.  Kind of funny that HP is gold, though.  In lieu of her past actions, I think this is the right course of action unless he does something townie (as opposed to killing her 'only' when she does something wrong).

Well, as long as I post thoughts before the next damage count it should be ok.

[?q]

Spell cards are declared publicly.
I don't understand SDrake's question.

[UncertainJakutten]

Spell cards are declared publicly.
I don't understand SDrake's question.

The Pesco confused me :S.

I guess if it were PM'd it'd be declared by the mods.

[WHMZakeri]

keep in mind that ScumDrake could be hiding an ability similar to my own.

I'm not convinced that the attack would come from Edible's spellcard. If Edible were town, I'm certain he would have at least announced that he had to attack someone and would have us consider that his vote for the day, and As Scum, it would be rather gutsy to target someone other than UK. Unless there's three scum, I doubt they would chance an investigation on one.

It could be a part of UK's card. I remember a potential split the damage effect, but it's hard to say if that applies to her, and if she is scum, she won't admit it.

And despite all of this, it could just be a function of the Scum nightkill replacement. if this is the case, then why was there only two damage? it could be a subtle "Serp is targeted by the nightkill, he's cleared." Or it could be just that the mafia really does kill that slowly.

There's way too many things this could mean, so it's probably a really bad idea to dwell upon it.

Also, why are we letting UK off for good behavior? I thought part of the appeal of lynching was to get some hard evidence - namely alignment flips.

Cut: SDrake is asking if there are abilities a player could have that was not defined to them. For the record, there should never be any unless we're playing a bastard mod, which we are not.

Also, thanks for catching that Affinity.

[Serp]

See? That's exactly why I was against keeping people with low health.

Point taken, but I've only supported bringing people who we're on the point of lynching anyway down low.  The only reason I was that badly hurt in the first place was that UK and Drake both kept attacking me.  At this point, I think it's very likely that one or both of them are scum.

Also, you're right to note the WIFOM about all this, as long as you acknowledge that this was almost certainly a scum action, whether spellcard or faction ability.  umu's answer looks like it's intentionally designed to not reveal anything about individual spellcards - they're all declared publicly, but their targets might be declared privately.  I doubt that we'll receive any further clarification on this point either way.

Keep in mind that spellcards have duration, and judging by my own card, I assume that they can be used every single day until they've been broken.  In fact, my spellcard specifies that its effect can still come into play on the day that it is broken.  I see no reason to assume that either of the currently activated spellcards are any different, and if the attack on me was actually a scum intrinsic ability rather than a spellcard, then it's even more likely that it'll be followed up.  So, if the damage on me today was caused by a scum spellcard, and I'm not sufficiently healed to cease to be a plausible kill, then I'm going to die this evening, regardless of whether UK's and/or Edible's spellcards are broken.  Therefore, I'm requesting to be healed.

##Heal: Serpentarius

Now, I think we should at least break UK's card, even on the off chance that she's town and telling the truth, because it really doesn't seem to grant us anything at all useful.  I think we should lynch her as well, but since she supposedly has 3 HP left plus 3 HP on her spellcard, and since I think you should prioritize keeping me from having to declare my own spellcard over lynching her right now, that'll probably have to wait 'till tomorrow.  Rou, I support you shooting her with your tank.

Edible is pretty much just as likely a culprit for attacking me as UK, but since a scumflip for her would be sufficient to explain the attack on me, and she looks more likely to be scum than he does, we should get her flip before factoring any of this into his scumminess.  Even if UK flips town, Edible isn't necessarily scum - with my quickness to heal myself yesterday, scum might've figured that I had only six HP, and so they could have used their intrinsic ability on me to frame the two spellcard users and off me at the same time.

[Ramus]

At this point, I think that the damage count is spellcard related, especially since it hasn't occurred until now and scum would be pushing their luck if they only started using it today.  However, sorry UK, but you're a liability to the town at this point.  It may be Edible doing it and not you, but you're closer to death and agreed to be killed for information.

Geez, this sucks.  Anything you'd like to say first?  And finally, I request to tackle last.  I only do one damage unless the person has two HP left and no spellcard in effect in which then I do two.  It'll save some time.

Or I can heal Serp for 1 HP.  Whatever works.

[UncertainJakutten]

Fair enough. I'll post thoughts before the next damage count, whether you all kill me or not.

[FinnKaenbyou]

Anyone else noticed that this game has basically devolved into 'reading the power roles'? T_T

I'm fine with shooting UK should the need arise. I'm slightly worried this whole thing between those two was an act, anyway. :/
I'll leave it until later in the day, though.

[Nietz]

@umu: Two clarifications:
- Can players opt to end their spellcards premeturely?
- Just to be sure, spellcards do or do not act on a target the same Day they're declared (or it varies according to each)?

Also, I'm fine with healing Serp, just to be on the safe side:
##Give delicious grape wine (don't ask were it comes from): Serpentarius
(It's worth 2HP of heal, just so you know.)

[?q]

@u?: Two clarifications:
- Can players opt to end their spellcards premeturely?
- Just to be sure, spellcards do or do not act on a target the same Day they're declared (or it varies according to each)?

1) No, although this is something that will be considered in future games.
2) Players should not be able to use their (active) spell card abilities the day they are declared.
With that said, we may as well keep going as is.

[Ramus]

Anyone else noticed that this game has basically devolved into 'reading the power roles'? T_T

I'm fine with shooting UK should the need arise. I'm slightly worried this whole thing between those two was an act, anyway. :/
I'll leave it until later in the day, though.

Roukanken, listen to what you're saying.  If UK is a mafian and so am I, wouldn't have been safer to bus her to than attract attention to myself?  The mafian count can only be, what? Three at most but more likely two.

If I'm townie and she's mafian, how can it be an act?  I've literally been trying to make UK useful the second half of this game and making you two shut up with the OMGUS.  Yet you're still taking shots at it.

If I'm mafian and she's townie, why the heck did I save her?  It would have been cleaner to have ignored the problem and let UK die.

If we're both townie, then, well, that's what I'm hoping for.

More so, if UK was mafian, wouldn't it have been better for her to say that Edible was townie, then die, and make the town worried about Edible being townie or not?  Better yet, wouldn't it have been safer for her to just police someone without a town vote in case they did pick another mafian?  I don't know the full detail, but this reeks of either poorly set up or paranoia/poor analysis on your part and maybe others.

EDIT: So wait, did UK actually activate that power that comes with her spellcard or not?  Was that a slip up on Pesco's part?  SO FRICKIN' CONFUSED.

[UncertainJakutten]

EDIT: So wait, did UK actually activate that power that comes with her spellcard or not?  Was that a slip up on Pesco's part?  SO FRICKIN' CONFUSED.

I think Pesco fucked up. I questioned him but he was like "you can do it that way"

You think correctly.