Hi, you're the Town Doctor! Each night, you may choose to protect one person from death. Please note that your protection will not work on the Cop, for he is macho and doesn't believe in doctors... or something.
Hi, you're MAFIA SCUM!
You are a roleblocker. At night, you may choose to block any one player's actions. If you're the only one left alive, you can RB and kill.
Hi, you're the Town Macho Cop! at night, you may determine the alignment of one player. As a macho cop, you may not be protected at night. Alas.
Hi there! You're a Townsperson and you don't do anything special except grow vegetables or whatever it is you typically do with your time.
Players may not contact any other player by any means other than in the game thread unless their role permits them to do so.What's the point of this?
No one is voting.
So... how's everyone doing?
<Akiyama_dorMio> @dice 1d12As we saw in the previous game, Keine is the greatest mafia player in existance.
<+Keine-tan> Akiyama_dorMio: 4
All right. So, here's the thingDidn't you do this in the last game? The same game you were scum in? :wat:
##Vote Edible
No, hear me out. Edible obviously knows who the scum are, right? Yet he's not even TRYING to tell town who they are! What POSSIBLE town intent -
Edible (1) - UncertainKittenI smiled.
Well, Dan is town. I'm going to now be manifestly anti town and refuse to answer his question. Sorry guy ^-^.
...?:fail:
##Vote Roukanken
Am amused at the votecount name.
##Unvote
##Vote: UncertainKitten
Admitting what you're doing is anti-town doesn't make it pro-town. Srs bsns vote with srs bsns face.
Anyone else care to indulge me?
@Edible: vote count?
Votecount - Early Day 1, Breakfast & Lunch Edition
Bardiche (1) - Action Dan
Sect (2) - Hanged Hourai, Kiro
Shadoweh (1) - Dormio
UncertainKitten (1) - Bardiche
The WIFOM I talk of is that you began to discuss when you would die and how a scum!UK could benefit from actions at this point. However, this is early Day 1; speculation on scum-motivated actions are few and far between, or at least semi-accurate speculation.
How is Kiro on your list of people to watch? What is bad about attacking UK over how she says "I'm going to be anti-town and do x", which is in itself not necessarily pro-town just because she self-diagnoses it?
The first step is the push. Vote your heart, we'll infer whether you're right later.
Townie: me.
Dan, I'm attacking her because she refused to answer that question. :V What use would asking it again be?
Shadoweeeeh </3
Losing battle there, Dan. You're not implying I'd cheat on my girlfriend with a guy, right?What??? I don't even...
##Vote: BardicheI was going to make a hilariously ironic post voting you and saying "Come on guys, let's lynch Bard, onto day 1" but I guess that isn't happening. Oh well.
PS: I'm lying, lynch me for that!
You're trying too hard. What is there to really say on the 3-way Dan/Bard/UK that hasn't already been said by one of them?
##Vote ShadowehThere's always something to say about a discussion, I'm sure if you look hard enough even you can find a comment to make on it. Don't use 'Shadoweh is trying too hard' like it's an excuse to ignore it either, I want to see your opinions. Actually, on a scale of pushes through the RVS, thanks to Dan I barely have to at all so I'm not sure why you would even accuse me of that. Guts shouldn't make odds based on probability, there are people that have rolled town more times then I've played. I think PX is an example. I'm more interested in what Hourai thinks of it then you, but your opinion is noted.
You're trying too hard. What is there to really say on the 3-way Dan/Bard/UK discussion that hasn't already been said by one of them? You yourself barely had anything interesting to say about it in the post where you voted, so I strongly disagree that Hourai's actions are scummy or even deserve a vote. Forced scum case imo. Also, my gut says you finally rolled scum and I'm going to go with it for now, so deal.
You are attacking her because she refused to explain her meta vote on the Mod and self-diagnoses it as anti-town behavior.
Action Dan's #60 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9126.msg611211.html#msg611211) strikes me as odd.
I mean, he states that he is both withholding information from town and that he is not going to say anything until pressured for a while.
That and he also pulled a WIFOM (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9126.msg611120.html#msg611120) and admitted doing as much in response to Bardiche's questioning over his WIFOM earlier.
What rly boggles my mind is why not one person has said anything of substance regarding our convo. I am still assuming UK saying it for later. Does everyone think its just some dumb ED1 arguement?Yes.
Cool, vote on me. You tell Sect to try harder, but you vote me for "attacking newbies." He's played before.Sect has played once and dropped out before the end of Day 1. Are you calling this experience? If you thought he wasn't a newbie then my argument against you is dropped completely, but really. I'm always willing to give newer players a chance to prove themselves, though the longer they stay without a vote the less I feel that way.
I am aware of his past experience. If anyone did the same thing, I would have done what I did, regardless of experience. Also, why did he get a pass on getting asked about the "dumb" ED1 argument?Fair enough. I find a lack of a vote more of a problem then a lack of opinion. There's no point in asking what he thinks of something if I can't even tell what direction he's looking yet.
I'm having a hard time understanding why he got his pass in #46. His lack of opinion made him excluded from hunting?You're using the words 'gave him a pass' to make it sound like I ignored him in that post. I told him to vote someone. I voted you to get your opinions on something more interesting then him. You gave opinions (not on what I originally asked but still). He hasn't voted.
At that point, all I had was saying he's bad for prolonging RVS. All he had was prolonging RVS.
Neither of us had acknowledged the ED1 argument .
I'm not seeing how he got the pass.
Still think she's trying too hard to seem town. Like, even harder than usual.If I ever go through a game without this being brought up I will be a sad, sad player.
To answer her questions, I don't have any particular opinions on Bard and Kiro beyond "they seem reasonable enough to me", which they do. Not sure what is expected here, I'm not going to start filling my posts up with one-liners on every single player if there's nothing interesting I have to say about them.That leaves you with cases on only UK and Shadoweh right now, though. You're not really delivering on either of those and the rest of your posts are mostly dedicated to defending yourself.
@Omba 81: I'm not sure I understand your reasoning for voting HW. Can you explain it with less meandering? Secondly, why do you trust my promise of a case later?Two points mostly:
huh what: Either someone makes a mistake on their own, or you'll have to lend them a hand. And making a mistake does not mean you're scum, it's how you go about making it and for what reasons. So implying she's trying to get mislynches this way seems at least strange to me when this method can go both ways, only depending on whether she's scum or not.
Dormio: Vote please.My vote is already on Shadoweh, and I'm comfortable with letting it sit there until I can get home and read the game properly.
Shadoweh is still looking off to me, it seems like she's tunnelling on Sect.It went the way of early cases when that person replies with something reasonable, which is into the past and forgotten. Technically I dropped it to go after huh what but Sect came in with more non-voting. And there's a huge difference between someone here and not voting, and NeoSerela who hasn't been here yet to vote.
And what happened to her case against Hanged Hourai (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9126.msg611122.html#msg611122)?
Well, if you read my post you'll notice I've produced. I'm also quite pleased with the reactions. I have at least one other strong scum suspect I'm willing to let rack up more evidence while we lynch HW.Yes, you have and I can agree with the reasoning, as far as a first tentative vote on someone goes. And HW provided enough reasons to keep the vote on him in the meantime.
So, your first statement kind of reads like, someone makes a mistake or is baited into one. And then even if they make the mistake, it's how they react that determines whether you'll vote them. So why is the person doing the baiting not given any level of responsibility as you assumably put it in the last sentence? Is this all on HW and UK bears no responsibility despite hardcore tunneling on both sides? And looking at your #94, it seems you're letting her go now in place of HW. Is it really just the overdefensiveness then?It's not just the overdefensiveness, it's also his reason for calling UKs scumhunting method scummy.
Glad you brought up my lack of posts about anyone besides HW and UK, I was wondering why you didn't do that before.Is it just me or is Omba being overly defensive?
His vote switch was weird and felt more to discredit and less to hunt scum. Wouldn't have worried about it except for the prior posts badness.I don't understand what you're saying here. HW didn't HAVE prior posts before his vote on Shadoweh. I don't find you meaning his vote on you instead to make sense either as you obviously seemed to be thinking something was off about him before that happened.
Gonna stop now because of the 400 word limit, counter says I have 391. Oh and by the way ##Vote:UncertainKitten for stuff aboveTo clarify on this, I'd try not to look like I'm ignoring everything not named UK/huhwhat if I had more words to talk with :V
@edible - I just realized that the bard case was like close to 500 words :ohdear: - plz forgive me! :blush:
I'm more hesitant now to give UK a pass based on "it's UK";
Dan-
Really, really, really loves Sect. Not to mention how he blantantly tells the people voting him to either get off or defend themselves.
#43 says the "Sect scene" was "worthless" and then grills me for being on him. Either you're contradicting yourself, or you just don't want people attacking him.
He says how I made "ill motives" for Sect, when I was telling what he did and why it was bad.
##Unvote
##Vote: Action Dan
Uber defending someone who doesn't really deserve defending earns him my vote.
I'm ok with what Hourai has said about others so far except the one part where Dan is defending Sect. Don't see that at all. Mixed feelings about the Dan vote. Half is on my initial gut read of Dan, but the other half is that Hourai is correct that Dan does seem to be defending UK for her. Currently giving Hourai the benefit of the doubt.
Kiro seems slightly lurkish to me but I don't know if that's normal for him.It might just be his avatar keeps staring at me.:ohdear:
Hourai [is] reasonable enough that I wouldn't attack [him] today
Fooling around with votes on non-players. Prolonging RVS, and thus, hunting. Happier with my vote on him.Four things: 1) The RVS was over when you posted. 2)Sect was the FIRST person to ask a serious question (about UK's silly meta) 3)Sect answered why she was voting (albeit not exactly convincingly) non-players. 4) hunting - what does this mean here? cuz you use this exact same word to refer to ScumHunting later (It'll come up in due time) and scumhunting is good, yes?.
I am glad, however, that you skipped over the Sect scene which I feel is worthless atm.States he thinks hunting Sect is not good.
Sect seems to have no ill motives besides the ones HH created for herWhat I said was exactly what Sect was doing.
I would like HH and Kiro to defend/change their voteIronically, we were the only ones on Sect at the time.
Side note: in bard's #44 he doesn't mention Sect or HH, just Kiro who he does not suspect. HH: isn't this a tacit defense of Sect?Oh my bad, you're right. Not mentioning something in the beginning of D1 is obviously defending. Not.
Let's start with Hourai's post #38, her reason for voting sectFour things: 1) The RVS was over when you posted. 2)Sect was the FIRST person to ask a serious question (about UK's silly meta) 3)Sect answered why she was voting (albeit not exactly convincingly) non-players. 4) hunting - what does this mean here? cuz you use this exact same word to refer to ScumHunting later (It'll come up in due time) and scumhunting is good, yes?.1. If it was over then why is Sect so innocent for fooling around with votes on not-people?
Aaah, and I was going to try to be unforgettable this gameNo. Please be memorable or die.
Why should we be looking at Kiro?Because we should be looking at everyone.
ActionDan: Finally I can understand the stuff he's saying. Mostly thinking the "huh?" parts are just derp now.Cool. now that you understand him better, can I get your opinion on him rather than just acknowledging his existence?
What was this point trying to achieve?
Dormio: If you don't like meta analysis as you say in #154, why'd you do it in #152?Uh... meta where?
I think I need to replace out ):[nsfw]http://img4.gelbooru.com//images/717/ce963c51c1fb6dc887e9c2694ee3340f358569ac.jpg?859892[/nsfw]
Mod: Since scum are only allowed to talk in private at night, does that mean they were not allowed to talk in private in the confirmation phase? (i.e. have no secret means of communicating until night 1 begins)
I think I need to replace out ):
@Kiro 161: Well, the thing is, his ONLY contributions after I voted him appear to have been him tunneling me. Further, at this point, I see connections to him, both positive and negative. His flip will help me make sense of those connections. And thirdly, his first post was again, about the scummiest I'd ever seen for a first post. If you don't agree with that, that's fine. I still think HW is a far better lynch today than, you know, Shadoweh.
Shadoweh, you're totally OK now and stuff. I'd write more but time etcetera. Basically your latest posts make me feel better about the instance where you said you had to pick between UK and HW - I took that as a tunneling effort but the latest set of posts all dispel that accusation.
Etc.
The rest of you, get the hell off me and scumhunt someone who's actually scum
I would like HH and Kiro to defend/change their vote AND I want to bomb the foxholes of the remaining lurkers :getdown: THIS IS WAR! STOP BEING COWARDS SISSIES!!I only wanted opinions from everyone that hadn't posted in a long time/at all (which included HH and Kiro). It came off a little wrong. I mean, both did chime in and change their respective votes.
Certainly, if it is something you can troll around (you'll forgive me for calling it trolling a little, right? It's kinda provocative) then it must be something you can share with the group.
Certainly, if it is something you can troll around (you'll forgive me for calling it trolling a little, right? It's kinda provocative) then it must be something you can share with the group.
Why no mention of Omba in your #137 opinions about others when he happens to be voting you? Also, I'm frowning at your town meta read on Serela. Care to explain why you feel that way about him?I was asked for opinions on people who weren't voting me. Omba was voting me.
HH: do you still think your case holds?Indeed I do, no matter how much you try and drag my name through the mud and try to call me misguided or derpy.
I'm not sure if you skipped this or just missed it, but what really is your opinion of Kiro?Kiro's done a few things that seem off, but doesn't seem scummy to me yet.
Now explain Shadoweh.It's mostly because of the interactions with Sect earlier in the day.
If UK is your second prime suspect you can't just skip her posts. Like.. you did those other three people.Uh... what is there to make of UK's post and Omba saying "going to sleep now".
What makes him not perfect? What's wrong about him?
Kiro's done a few things that seem off, but doesn't seem scummy to me yet.What are these things that make him seem off to you?
Aaah, and I was going to try to be unforgettable this game?but I wanted to run some ideas through K4U first, and even after that my thoughts are refusing to form coherent sentences to write my post with.
I just don't like Dan right now. It feels like he's just tunneling on Bard at the moment, and not responding to Bard's counters doesn't really help. He seems to be forcing his opinions on everyone else without really letting them think on their own, and basically declaring his own interpretation as fact (or something like that). ##Vote: ActionDan If you would, Dan, please answer Bard (post linked above) and tell us why you think the dumb ED1 argument was a scumslip.
Your question to me reads: "If you thought Sect was scum, why'd you go and point out that I really had no case against him?"No, my question is, "If you think Sect is scum, why use my ED1 comment on him as a point on my case?"
Should I have instead embraced your crap case, to attack Sect? If you thought that I labeled Sect as derpscum, why did you give out a case against me that proclaimed, for all the world to hear, that I had been actively defending Sect?Except you blatantly did call him derpscum.
Later you admit the "ActionDan" situation boggles you. To me you look like :derp:scum.If I'm understanding this right, to answer the question, I made the case of you defending him before you said he was derpscum. Your point is moot.
Also, Dan, if you think Sect is derpscum, why do you seem so intent on using my post saying he's bad for prolonging RVS as a point in your case on me?
Should I have instead embraced your crap case, to attack Sect? If you thought that I labeled Sect as derpscum, why did you give out a case against me that proclaimed, for all the world to hear, that I had been actively defending Sect?
Except you blatantly did call him derpscum.That was WAY WAY after post #143 a.k.a the case I made against you. You made the case against me where you declare that I defended Sect RIGHT AFTER I made the case against you.
If I'm understanding this right, to answer the question, I made the case of you defending him before you said he was derpscum. Your point is moot.CORRECT! So how does that make the case against you come AFTER I call Sect derpscum? TIME PARADOX!
At that point, I had no idea as to Sect's alignment. I was using your RVS post to say that you were scummy. You interpreted that as a defense of Sect.I also interpreted the me making ill motives for him as defense, the defend or change vote as defense, and calling hunting Sect worthless as defense.
That was WAY WAY after post #143 a.k.a the case I made against you. You made the case against me where you declare that I defended Sect RIGHT AFTER I made the case against you.
YET, you have this to say...CORRECT! So how does that make the case against you come AFTER I call Sect derpscum? TIME PARADOX!I'm not disputing that the case came before the derpscum accusation. If the "slip" you're referring to is that somehow I'm saying the derpscum came before the case, and that a case was built around it somehow, then I think you're either misrepping/misunderstanding me or twisting my words.
Hourai: any reason you feel the need to cater to Dan's repeated questions?I'm bored, I want people to know where I stand, he'd whine if I didn't answer them and then call me scummy. Any combination of these 3 would work.
Anyway, sorry to ask but can you link the dismissal of your case with the wild accusations, and examples of his scum team based thinking?
And more importantly, can you tell me how this is any different from Helepolis last game?They're different people. I'm not a fan of judging newbies who act similar by some standard.
I'm not disputing that the case came before the derpscum accusation. If the "slip" you're referring to is that somehow I'm saying the derpscum came before the case, and that a case was built around it somehow, then I think you're either misrepping/misunderstanding me or twisting my words.Then why say this?
Also, Dan, if you think Sect is derpscum, why do you seem so intent on using my post saying he's bad for prolonging RVS as a point in your case on me?Except I never thought Sect was derpscum at the time. I want my e-cookie
@mod what will happen to Neo.S??
Out of the four, I think that +Uncertain Kitten looks the worst.Oops.
Dormio didn't even bother voting for Not-Dormio!Uh... what?
Timer: According to D1 post, we have about 28 minutes left. And according to the last votecount, it's about 1:10h.Yeah, that confuses me too.
Just wanted to say I'm around and it's 6:45 AM on a beautiful i-could-still-be-in-bed Saturday morning. Goddamnit Mafia, goddamnit.I was waking up at 5am for Pesco's game because days ended at 6am for me.
Just wanted to say I'm around and it's 6:45 AM on a beautiful i-could-still-be-in-bed Saturday morning. Goddamnit Mafia, goddamnit.You have no idea how much I second this. I could have just snuggled back in there..
But I'd also rather lynch someone then no one. :/
4) Don't bully No Lynch-chan. Voting to No Lynch is not allowed, and a majority MUST be reached by the end of each day or Rocks Fall And You Will Die.Unless somebody here loves rocks, I think none of us want to see a no lynch.
I want Dan gone more than I want Dormio gone, and I want this game to end more than I want Dormio gone.Huh? Okay.
That said, I'd rather lynch him than default-lose, of course.
ActionDan or me?
Warning - choo choo i'm a train
Dormio has been lynched![nsfw]http://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=198082[/nsfw]
He was a MafiatrainGoon!
Shadoweh, did you realise there's new chapters for Cavalier? One chapter that has a lot of Just in it? :V They're finally returning to that storyline! No more past!eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee yes Just is being SO CUTE then he's SO MEAN and then he's SO JUST EEEEEE
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee yes Just is being SO CUTE then he's SO MEAN and then he's SO JUST EEEEEE
Also Edible is silly for not changing "Day 1" in the thread title to "Night 1" :v
Ourobouros~ I like the part where he wears shorts even though he didn't before getting infected by a humongous serpent.Who wears short shorts~
I want Dan gone more than I want Dormio gone, and I want this game to end more than I want Dormio gone.
...~500 words. Okay, I'm never joining a game with wordcounts ever again. :x I'm too wordy of a person to be able to get around these things. Ah well.
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- I can't see Kiro as scum at all now either, since if he were scum he probably would have been able to keep the Shadoweh wagon afloat.
Anyway, Omba's D1 was bad. I've already mentioned how much I dislike him chainsawing against the people on the Shadoweh wagon, considering that Shadoweh could have defended herself easily. It truly seems like he was buddying up with somebody he knew to be town for ~sweet cred~.So, how exactly does this fit together? And why are you brushing over the fact that I did not attack anyone on the Shadoweh wagon, with the exception of you? I pointed that out already in my #228.
So, how exactly does this fit together?I don't see how the bolded things are correlated, unless you're misinterpreting me.
And why are you brushing over the fact that I did not attack anyone on the Shadoweh wagon, with the exception of you? I pointed that out already in my #228.Dormio was on the Shadoweh wagon.
I don't see how the bolded things are correlated, unless you're misinterpreting me.Relation: Shadoweh was at L-2 at the time of my post about her wagon. If you're saying Kiro could have easily kept the wagon going, why would I not have been able to sink it? My vote would have placed it at L-1.
Dormio was on the Shadoweh wagon.Yes, he was. Only, well, the Shadoweh wagon was already long dead when I attacked Dormio.
It seemed like you were exclusively going after people who were going after Shadoweh. But this might just be because if you made cases on people other than me and Dormio they weren't strong enough for me to remember them. <_<
It's not a very good thing, though, if when you're playing as scum you look like scum and if you're playing as town you look like town.
Dan! Why am I the focal point behind your attack on Bardiche and your defense against HH?
Also, @mod votecount if you are willing?
Kiro: At that point I was seeing "only a fraction of the people wants to lynch Dan" as opposed to "pretty much everybody wants to lynch Dormio", and thus had doubts about getting a majority on Dan. Maybe I should've said "a willing majority".
Kiro-
My point still stands that all Bard had to say about Dormio was arguably trying to help him make his point better. That was his only interaction with him all game. He said nothing about Dormio after Dormio's second post, if you are correct. I fail to see how I gave him more of a pass than Bard. And Bard maybe not being around for Dormio's meltdown does not give him a pass at all.
Unless you think Scum wanted to go into a scum/scum wagon D1, I'm confirmed town right after UK, the first person to Call out Dormio.
But I felt it was worth making a comment on because we gotta get our wild cards, Hourai and Polaris more involved.
Nice going Bard, but you should have started that D1. Doing it now pretty much guarantees your lynch on D3. Well, if you want to help town even though you're scum, that's fine by me. :V
Next time, you should bring up more points that weren't already brought up by someone else / can't be answered by simply looking at the time the respective posts were made, though.
And no, I'm not going to say why you're suddenly scum to me even though I had nothing on you before. Not before D3, that is. Look forward to it. <3
Bard why don't you ask those "counters" again to my terrible points. Please spell it all out for me.
O yeah, can you mention Sect too, you kind of ignored him.
Anyway, opinions in super condensed form. Kiro is scum to me. He finally lets up (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9126.msg612179.html#msg612179) on his Shadoweh suspicions there but still doesn't move his vote off of her. When he finally does move it off her (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9126.msg612491.html#msg612491), there is no admission that she is no longer scummy or anything, simply that there are "enough shady people on Shadoweh"; giving Shadoweh a pass based on other people's interactions, Kiro?Kiro pretty much answers your question in a later post, when he references my reasoning for giving shadow a pass. It's even in one of the posts you hyperlinked. This is not an arguement I'd use against Kiro, because as it turns out, Kiro was right. Next:
In response to "Why mention Dan's case without giving an opinion?", which honestly feels off: if you think there was little of value to mention there, why raise attention to it? His vote on Dormio (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9126.msg612965.html#msg612965) seems to be for information moreso than Dormio is scum, as he never actually states he thinks Dormio is scum. Trying to misrepresent my vote as OMGUS is silly, it's plainly obvious I was voting him for never responding to anything that was said no matter how (in)valid it was.Bard, that was a prod for you to get talking, she didn't raise anyone's attention except yours: working as intended. You say Kiro's vote on Dormio didn't include a Scum accusation. Did your vote on me include one? yet at the end of day your vote was still on me, or was it "Obvious" (Btw I freaking hate that word by this point). Kiro could have anytime before the Dormio vote or after, jumped on me
Finally saying he wants Dormio lynched (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9126.msg613479.html#msg613479) happens only as the wagon gains spec and he can no longer jump off.
Not lending town cred for that.
Look back on posts, and if I haven't mentioned it it's because it's not interesting to me. I'm not doing your Mafier game for you, so look it up yourself.
I wasn't aware Kiro is ActionDan now. :derp:
Bard, that was a prod for you to get talking, she didn't raise anyone's attention except yours
Bard: I didn't want to answer for you before you posted which is why I danced around my opinion. But I felt it was worth making a comment on because we gotta get our wild cards, Hourai and Polaris more involved.
I wasn't aware we were in a role madness game. :V Elucidate how a lynch on either Kiro or you would make me definite scum?Me neither. :V
What part can be answered by looking at the time the respective votes were made?The part where I don't say anything about HH in a post that focuses on the Shadoweh wagon at L-2 or the two posts when we were already down to two wagons that were not HH, and the part where I vote Dan a few minutes before deadline. Notice how the only player on the Dan wagon that had posted around that time and was not Dormio was Sect? For some reason, what he wrote did not make me think he'd vote Dan. So unless you assume I'm psychic and already knew Polaris and HW would come online or already assume I'm scum before you make that argument, that does not make the vote anti-town. There's this Rocks Fall and Everybody Dies thing.
You don't suffer scum to live, so outline why I'm scum then. Right now it simply reads as OMGUS.Oh, I do want you to live until D3, even though you're scum. For the simple reason that I want the harder part out of the way first, which is finding the third scum.
Omba, if you are the cop, just fucking claim it now. You've made it manifestly obvious you have a guilty on Bardiche. Confirm this.I'm not the cop, but my case on Bard still rests on me claiming.
If you are not the cop, you might as well claim that too and post a case on Bard. You're giving off obvious cop tells.
Here's why I'm just asking this outright rather than pretending I can't tell. We had a scum lynch D1. We had a missed kill N1. If we lynch scum today, we'll essentially have traded the cop for two scum. THIS IS A GOOD TRADE
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I am more hesitant NOW to give UK a pass BASED ON. This is a reference to the last game where I excused UK's behaviour as townie based on that she usually acts that way: voting someone without making it immediately clear what her vote reasons are.This is a reference from Bard's post #71 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9126.msg611274.html#msg611274) which was made while Bard's vote was still on UK. The above quote suggests that Bard had given UK a pass previously in other games AS WELL AS in this game up until this point in time; still your vote was on her for the entire beginning of the game, which means up till post #71 you had no reason to change it. In fact, in post #71 Bard ramps it up, demanding to know UK's case on HW, parroting what has already been asked by HW. After UK gives a case on HW, Bard unvotes her (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9126.msg611955.html#msg611955) because he was never serious....he just wanted dicussion (yet everyone has plopped down a serious vote by now and his last post suggested he was serious). the rest doesn't say much else except that I'm a null-tell, and prods Dormio about kiro.
But seriously? Future games: Don't EVER claim doctor with that reasoning.This can probably wait until post-game; but yes, I fucked something up there.
Just to be clear on this: your entire attack bases itself on "a scumBard would do this!", which we call "WIFOM", and it is one of the seriously weakest things ever.No, actually the starting point for the argument is that I assume you've got brains. Otherwise, yes, I'd end up with WIFOM and would not have said anything.
The above quote suggests that Bard had given UK a pass previously in other games AS WELL AS in this game up until this point in time
Mudslinging = voting UK originally for shoddy reasons
There are good reasons to accuse me of scum. Sadly, neither Ombra nor ActionDan produce these reasons. I can think of a few myself, why are you two failing at it so hard?Care to tell us? :3 I'm curious why you are resorting to WIFOM (I think of a few = I admit it, so I'm not scum!). Also, bard, your "counters" only countered parts of my case against you.
My reasons for voting ActionDan was "respond to counters", which he only does just up above. I am perfectly fine with lynching someone if they push a mediocre case but refuse to explain why it isn't mediocre in light of rebuttals to raised points.
... Orrrrr scum just wanted Kiro gone because everybody was passing him off as obvtown on D1. <___< Really now.Bard says Neigh! ;) But if scum really wanted to lynch ObvTown, they could have gone for me. Btw It kind of makes me feel weird that Sect had an entire case last night devoted to me, prepared, when I could have potentially been the NK. hmmm.
buddies.
It comes off like you're scum trying to communicate with your buddy.instead of
It comes off like you're scum trying to communicate with your buddies.You might think it's lame but to me it's like a possible slip (buddies = you + other scum, instead of, buddy = other scum)
Ombra, your entire "omg u must haf brains" assumes scum'd be so goddamn retarded it's not even funny. No, there is no wisdom in scum trying to lynch Kiro: scum typically attack what they think is the towniest person in the game, and that person is usually most difficult to lynch. If scum decided Kiro was that person, why in the hell would a scumBard attempt to even try and lynch that person? Your scenario assumes scum is goddamn retarded. You're still left with a shaky WIFOM reasoning that you blew your claim on.
In short Kiro, that just means it's an entire WIFOM mess, which means that arguments as "I'm assuming you have brains!" doesn't really work in attempting to mount a case, because it'd more be gutsy than logical for scumBard to make a vote on you.Assuming you've got brains was not about what you'd do as scum, but rather what you wouldn't do as town. That being voting the most town looking player with that kind of weak points and when there were enough people around looking far more scummy. Now I thought Kiro was most likely town even before Dormio's flip, but still, that might have been just how I perceived it and it still might have been skewed on D2 since I then knew he's town. Only as far as I can tell pretty much everyone and their dog thought Kiro was town, too. Hence if you didn't, there had to be a good reason for it, one way or another.
Unfortunately, before I finish up here as a raving lunatic, with absolutely no contributions of valid arguements or any injections of logical sense
@Bard: I'm lurking because I honestly have no fucking idea what to DO anymore. I have no theory. I have no leads. I have NO IDEA HOW TO PLAY THIS GAME.Yeah, this is pretty much me. <____<
I mean, I'll post responses to things I see but...honestly, it's just been trolls trolling trolls. It's not *fun*, it's just...what the fuck. I don't even feel like rereading until we get Sect's flip.
Dan. You didn't respond to anything that was said until Day 2. When it was made on Day 1. No, you cannot claim that "you never explained why you voted me" because I have. Numerous times. The reason I am admitting I am scum is because there is no getting through to you.
And B) is because I thought Shadoweh was scum. Honestly, what answer do you expect? "Because I'm scum and thought Shadoweh an easy wagon to hop onto! " I mean, pygmalion comes into play right here, where my vote on UK is apparently a "scumslip" because I didn't think it interesting that UK declared you town. (UK does this in any game she plays about any player she likes best at the time, subject to her whims) From that time, no matter what I did, you've done nothing but construe it as, "ScumBard does this because", rather than wonder whether it could maybe, possibly! be that your case on Bard is bad and that's why no one else is giving you the time of day.
Then it's not a mislynch and I'll eat my hat.
Polaris needs a prod.
I believe Dormio wants VORE.He's not the only one. <_<;
Hey guys I'm back did I miss anything important?
:< :< :< Bard it's pouring rain out and I'm soaked now, I need someone to warm me up. :< :< :<
:< :< :< Bard it's pouring rain out and I'm soaked now, I need someone to warm me up. :< :< :<
Shadoweh, just because Schezo isn't playing in this game doesn't mean you have to betray him.
Shadoweh, just because Schezo isn't playing in this game doesn't mean you have to betray him.:< Schezo was here earlier! I said I needed someone! If he wants he can come snuggle too~ There's enough Shadoweh for everyone <^_^> Especially that Choco-Behemoth guy over there <3
Losing battle there, Dan. You're not implying I'd cheat on my girlfriend with a guy, right?
I was talking about what happened in D2 but okay.Psst psst~ you can't talk about the game at night.
Also, I only ship Schezo/K4U as moirails. :33Daww. :*
This is getting more activity than the game ever did. :VSo is my shipping wall right now.
Fine! I don't need a woman anyway. Kitten4U can just be my good friend. :3<3
NOOO BARD I WILL WIN YOU BACK YOU WILL SEE!
<3<3
SEE!? BARD DOESN'T LOVE YOU! HE'S JUST TRYING TO MAKE HIS GAMBITS JEALOUS! BUT YOU AND I, WE HAVE SOMETHING REAL! SOMETHING SPECIAL!
I sadly can't think of a valid reason to ship Dormio with Shadoweh. Not even the twitterposts.Which is why you shouldn't do it. :getdown:
Cavalier of the Abyss is a story about Just and how incredibly huggable he is in every panel he appears in while he plots to kill everyone. K4U and I have entire conversations about him consisting of 'eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee' and 'SO CUTE'I think I spent more time rambling about how awesome everyone's pants are. :V He IS pretty adorable though. <3
I think someone should give him IP. Like Dormio.Uh, you know, we can like, all give him IP together <.< You're cyan too you kitzblurgen!
We should always policy lynch Schezo. FOREVER SCUM! Even if he's sooooo kyoot~!Do this and I might have to consider getting irritated with you. >:(
What the hell is going on in here?Something amazing.
UncertainKitten has been killed during the night. She was a Vanilla Town
ME!
Shadoweh
Zak
Polaris
HW
Bardiche
Hourai
Bard I thought your priorities were on HH, who didn't even seem willing to mention Sect yesterday (or did he in his last post? checking later, but if so it was far too late). The vote on Zak seems way to early to think of busing yet.
ScumBard would've been hilarious because then the entire scumteam'd claimed on D2.Not to mention you'd have been correctly pinned as scum by two people for all the wrong reasons. :V
I figured that if you were town you were gambiting to get the cop to check you so you could possibly get people to stop attacking you.
If Hourai is Scum at least I can claim FPMH! I think if you guys are up to it.... well this is a bit much to ask.... plz reread ALL OF SECT, ME, HH, and skip every other post! Have fun!It was bad enough we had to read it when it was happening ;-; Why would you make us do this again.
I think it's best we just get that lynch done quickly. If both HH and Zakeri flip town for some reason, we can go back to actual analysis.I'd really rather not skip two days since if you were reading yesterday you'll see I think Polaris is the last scum. I don't think the part where he made one post yesterday and disappeared speaks well for him now, especially after Sect threw in the towel.
I nearly died of laughter when you made those sarcastic posts. :V
I wasn't laughing when I never seemed able to convince you it was reasoning that validated itself on the basis that it was true. :(I wasn't laughing either when I realized that...
That said, I'll lynch Hanged Hourai only if you promise to lynch Zakeri if Hourai turns up town. :(
Also I am officially going to call you Capt.Dan for at least the next two games if you keep playing.
I haven't been entirely reasonable this game, but I don't mind using what I consider "tactics" to win.
For example, let's say HW had scouted say, Bard and Hourai, and found them both to be town. What would you do? Still argue when there is the clearest of paths ahead? I do feel strongly about this concept.I'm going to go out on a limb and say I would keep trying to lynch Polaris. Because I think Polaris is scum! LYNCH POLARIS FOR GAME ENDING PROFITS!
Modkills are lame and you are lame for even suggesting it.
Polaris: I might be biased from the start since I never liked his 'forgettable' comment. At least he's easy to read over! The first thing he does is vote for Dan. He stays on Dan for the entire day, making comments on Dan, Omba, Dormio, myself and huh what. Two names that are missing from this list that pertain to Day 2 are Sect and Hourai. His points against Dormio are always secondary to Dan and even when he votes for Dormio he makes it obvious he's still willing to go the other way. His Day 2 post does the same thing with Sect, saying he wouldn't mind a Sect lynch but pursuing Hourai instead. Since Kiro was already voting for Hourai it's possible he saw this as the best viable counter-wagon to Sect.I would add points based on new posts he's made but you might notice he hasn't MADE any. Everyone's been asking the last scum to surrender. Have you considered maybe he IS surrendering by not posting until he gets modkilled?
First off, Polaris has #207 which says he'd vote Dormio second. Couple that with the fact that he did shift the lynch from Dan solidly to Dormio and I'm willing to think he's most ok of the 3.
capt.Dan, everything you've done until now has been understandable from a newbie perspective, but if you don't want to be policy vigged or spend every game until LYLO (Unless you get policy lynched) being kicked in the balls by Town, don't ever, ever suggest anything close to breaking the rules or gaming the setup ever again. I'm dead serious. I will shoot you in the face. Every game.
Just bringing it up that you'll get Modkilled from RPG permanently.
Bard: I never intended to vote you in Day 2. I thought all your shenanigans meant you were the Cop
Oh sonnets, right, heh.>:C
##Vote: Capt.H
Cut: What the hell Zak. I hate you.
It doesn't matter who we lynch (Besides Edible) does it? IF Dormio is scum, we would win, wouldn't we? If he's town, we'll still win, wouldn't we?
##Vote: Dormio
You derpaholics.
Gah. UK just didn't shoot me cleanly. I'm still alive and counting as the third scum until you lynch me again or something. :V
Gah. UK just didn't shoot me cleanly. I'm still alive and counting as the third scum until you lynch me again or something. :V
Do you believe Polaris's case on me (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9126.msg615334.html#msg615334) being courteous + my interactions with Dormio are valid given the case I have on his interactions with Dormio (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9126.msg616089.html#msg616089)?I'm not quite sure what you want me to say here. It's not like Polly was ever going to think he was scum since he knows he's not. He realized that the Dormio flip made him look bad. I told him to check out people off the wagon because that was a pretty good place to look for scum. It's entirely possible that you were just wrong like he was, but I don't see how it's unreasonable for him to think that you were scum considering the circumstances.
We have two more lynches we can do.It's 3 unless I overlooked something. There's 3 confirmed and 4 unconfirmed, so we'd end up with 1 confirmed 2 unconfirmed for the last day.
It's 3 unless I overlooked something. There's 3 confirmed and 4 unconfirmed, so we'd end up with 1 confirmed 2 unconfirmed for the last day.
I'm going to vote HH later, barring something unexpected happening.
brb buying tables so I can flip them. >:(Hey, at least you got some kind of answer. :V
I made a case on why I think s/he's scum and now I'm voting him/her. I don't know what else I can do at this point.
Sect:
First, your opinions might have been valid day one, and that's a big maybe, but they have absolutely no place after Dormio's flip.
I'll get into your first post later,
Unless you think Scum wanted to go into a scum/scum wagon D1, I'm confirmed town right after UK, the first person to Call out Dormio.
At that point in the game, If I were scum Dormio I would see no reason to change my vote on Scum Shadow after waiting so so long. I just can't see scum Dormio taking the chance that another wagon would jump up (mine) where he could conveniently switch his vote.
Massive Facepalm Votecount
Bardiche (1) - Action Dan
Shadoweh (2) - Dormio, huh what
UncertainKitten (1) - NeoSerela
huh what (3) - UncertainKitten, Omba, Shadoweh
Action Dan (4) - Hanged Hourai, Polaris, Sect, Bardiche
Dormio (1) - Kiro
Not voting:
~22 hours remain in the Day. With 12 alive, 7 are required to lynch.
Well the part where he just put a vote down tempting someone to hammer instead of us actually having this conversation is pretty damn scummy Dan cut it out!Hehe, I thought it would be better if I just placed down my vote while we had the extra room. And yes, it's super super tempting to hammer! :D
If we want to get technical Kiro, Omba as the doctor is the only real confirmed town. There's technically still a chance of you being scum. As the roleblocker you could have blocked the nightkill, gambitting that the Doctor would protect you. This would be impossible to prove and you'd win the game even if you made it to LYLO. The odds of this actually being true are astronomical, but for the sake of considering every possibility I feel the need to point this out.
First off, Polaris has #207 which says he'd vote Dormio second. Couple that with the fact that he did shift the lynch from Dan solidly to Dormio and I'm willing to think he's most ok of the 3.
Hourai is still weird. One positive point is that he votes Sect as his first serious vote in Day 1 for reasons I agreed with later. But then he drops off and goes on Dan as if chainsawing over Sect. In the meanwhile, Dormio get lynched and Dan gets psuedo-cleared. So he lost all his traction. Day 2, Hourai goes after Bard for lurking then Polaris. All while Sect is about to eat rope. There's no way this feels like optimal Scum play. If Hourai is Scum, he knows he's either gonna get Copped or be lynched very soon. That's not a winning strategy and he as Scum should know it.
Also, Sect hesitates for so long to vote, but then decides to go Shadoweh. Then there's the weird unvote by Shadoweh on Sect with little need for Shadoweh to have voted Sect in the first place. Trying to act Townie maybe?If the reason was as she stated - to get him to vote -, then that actually goes both ways. It works as "help town, damnit" as well as "try to look towny instead of scummy, damnit". In either case, Sect might just have gone for the easiest vote available to him when Shadoweh told him to do so. And unvote because of "ah, he got it" would also work either way.
Current lynch order of preference is Hourai->Polaris->Shadoweh->Dan. Dan only because first day scum train seems unlikely but as he continues to talk he continues to look more scummy. Hourai for obvreasons, Polaris by process of elimination and Shadoweh beats out Dan by suggesting Kiro could still be scum, by denying that the Cop cleared me as town and general shenanigans. :|But Kiro could still be scum. :/ I forgot to mention you with Omba because I was thinking of the doctor situation on Day 2 but yes, you're obviously clear as well Bard. I forget things like this when I write posts before sleeping. And you calling me on shenanigans is amusing but I can't defend myself from something general like that. Considering I think the question is academic I'm not overly worried about arguing over it.
-I don't see what's wrong with the Sect vote/unvote to begin with. It just looks like typical Shadoweh D1 rage to me. I know for a fact that she's read GDIC because we make constant jokes about that game. :V The entire conversation reads to me as "DO SOMETHING DAMMIT!" because Sect did nothing but be awesome with flavor in GDIC. The entire conversation reads very naturally for town!Shadoweh, so I have no idea why people have a problem with this.This is really why. The voting/unvoting was really getting on my nerves. If someone is allowed to go through Day 1 without taking a stand they might as well not be here at all. I asked him at least three times to vote with just words before voting him and he ignored the hell out of me until I phrased it in the form of CONTRIBUTE OR DIE. I unvoted because his 'case' on me was hilariously bad but I could see where he got it from. I honestly thought it came from a silly newbtown. Everything he did screamed derptown. I'm still depressed he ended up being scum.
I think Sect also really hated Dan. Speculation yes, but I think he would have switched regardless of who he was voting before"hate" is a rather strong word. dislike, maybe. Also I don't think Sect hated me, because he made references to "shenanigans" which suggest that perhaps he was really tired of trying to keep up his ruse (a.k.a fake rage). Then again, as Scum I would have adopted George Constanza's beliefs, one of which is, "It's not a lie if you believe it!"
But Kiro could still be scum. :/Bringing this up while I'm thinking about it. Stopping the NK like that when you don't plan on claiming doc is incredibly silly. If the doc had, say, protected UK all it would have done was clear a townie. Since Kiro was already looking townie enough to be defended there's no real advantage in making such a gambit.
Dan: It might be just us arguing for the sake of arguing but you could at least try not to speed conversation of your own fate along. :/ This kind of thinking is good for a newbie like you the most, you're playing to learn aren't you?It could be because I'm dense, but I don't understand the first statement. About hammering: I understand that optimally we should use the whole day, but these so called "people" (confirmed townies with the exception of Kiro) haven't said much in a one day period going on 2 days. Also I'm pretty sure (and I bet he thinks so too) that Kiro will be the NK tonight, so the others not saying much doesn't matter at this juncture. I doubt activity will pick up any time soon today. Tomorrow is a different story. If HH is town, then there will be more activity because K4U's opinion will carry a little more weight.
Aaaaahhh going to be late for work. No Dan I'm not hammering while people who might not be here tomorrow want to say something. I'll be back in a few hours.
1) Scum Dan has far less of a reason to kill UK than Scum Shadoweh does.I agree with points 2) + 3) fully, but must disagree about 1). When UK died I immediatly thought of Shadoweh, because of their exchange D2. However, that may have been the point. I was suspecting that Omba would go down or someone who scum thought was the Cop, and UK didn't give off that impression (especially with her Omba cop post). the UK kill probably served Polaris/HH's purposes more. Why? because UK was on HH for both days, and she was suspecting Polaris. Basically she was more of a threat to them. O wait I just misinterpreted the point.. T_T. So... Scum!me would have killed Polaris or finished off Omba, no actually definitely Polaris, I really thought he was a PR. Ya.. I doubt Scum!me would have killed UK, who was always one of the people who awarded me more town cred than others.
2) A double Scum wagon on Day 1 does not seem plausible in any game, ESPECIALLY with how difficult the wagons were to move in this one.
3) Sect wanted Dan dead more than either Sect or Dormio wanted Shadoweh dead just by looking at their votes before Day 1 deadline.
Can we just lynch Dan for good measure?
If Hourai slipped why did you lead D2 with a vote on Sect instead of Hourai? And D3, why did you hammer Zak if Hourai slipped and there was only one scum left?I was convinced Sect was Obvscum. The hammer on Zak was not on purpose. I did vote HH first. It's not absolutely clear that HH was scum. People with greater knowledge than me were switching to Zak (I always get glossy eyed now when I read Kiro's posts). In the end I thought we were going to vote HH next so I didn't care too much. I think everyone is far far far far FAR more town than HH.
ZZZzzzzzzzzzI'm also wondering why you are not yet as well.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Bard can't hammer he's already voting, we're waiting for his :wikipedia: :wikipedia: :wikipedia:You have the Poweh!
I'm the one with ze Hammah!
In other words, this is bad and you should feel bad for suggesting it. :VOh come on that's mean >_> I wouldn't seriously push that view unless Kiro was still alive in LYLO anyways.
And the Day 2 case Shadoweh has on UK is bad. Why did you decide to go on UK framing the point as a superbus suspicion? It's hypocritical given you did the same thing and your position is worse because you were later on the wagon. I think in this game, it was more dangerous for Scum to bus Sect on Day 2 than Dormio on Day 1. The Day 2 bus means that Scum is alone and much more vulnerable to Town powers and process of elimination. Dan was on Sect early and Shadoweh waffled on it. I know I did too, but between the two of them, Dan came out looking better than Shadoweh on that point.If that was my only reason I would agree it was hypocritical, but the reason I was suspicious in the first place was because I thought huh what should have been considered more town after his hammer plus UK pushing for him on the basis of a flip that hadn't happened yet. I also didn't spend alot of Day 1 trolling people. We didn't have any confirmed town at this point and I was seriously afraid of dying and no one ever considering this. It also got me answers, from both UK explaining her view and Edible clarifying what Rocks Fall means. No, I seriously didn't think he would just Game Over if there wasn't a lynch. It seems excessive and not fun.
The Name Prophecy Fulfilled Final Day 4 Votecount
Hanged Hourai (4): Kitten4U, Bardiche, ActionDan, Shadoweh
Kitten4U (1): Hourai
Not voting: Omba, Kiro
Hourai is at L-0!
Hourai was lynched! He was a townsperson.
It is now Night 4.
I have become the Edible, only bulimic.
I... I can't stop watching both of them.. at once.. it's so..Oh my god.
You know, "I was the counter-case to confirmed scum on D1!" isn't as strong an argument as you'd like it to be, Dan, and the more you purport it to be so the more I feel inclined to suspect a scum gambit setup.Let's also ignore gambits as non-existant for establishing town cred (-_-).
Let's also assume that one of us is scum. As scum need two mislynches anyway, what is of relative importance is the order in which the mislynches occur. I'd wager that scum would rather get the person with substantial town cred first and then face an easier opponent head-on later.Dan, can you explain this line of thinking from the perspective of Kitten4u being scum? We both have 'substantial town cred' as you said. I'll also point out that she doesn't really need to convince us. The other two confirmed towns and herself have enough votes to lynch either of us right now.
Zzzz Or you can all be silent for hours and not say anything. Bard, what's going through that crazy mind of yours? Dan, wake up and chat with me, the people need to see our thoughts. I guess Omba won't be back for a few hours still.That's mildly amusing, grown used to my chatter heh? :D Srrz I was in the middle of a paper that could make or break the next few years of my life. Anyway that fact that only us three are posting is a major turnoff.
Dan, can you explain this line of thinking from the perspective of Kitten4u being scum? We both have 'substantial town cred' as you said. I'll also point out that she doesn't really need to convince us. The other two confirmed towns and herself have enough votes to lynch either of us right now.That part was only intended if you or I were scum. Again, if K4U is scum she would just pick on one us,since we have equal town cred, and largely ignore the other and try to survive. After she would go attack the one she ignored the next day. Yes I don't put much stake in this meta, but it's worth something at least. I judge Polaris much more harshly of course. the arguement is mainly my justification of the feeling that the last 2 days haven't changed the picture from after D2.
Zzzz Or you can all be silent for hours and not say anything. Bard, what's going through that crazy mind of yours?
Again, if K4U is scum she would just pick on one usThis is flat out false. I'll pretend like there's any sense in declaring someone town when I would have to get everyone lynched for a moment for the sake of argument. Why the hell would I buddy up with SHADOWEH, who I KNOW would not be swayed by it over YOU who seemed content to not only call people that called you town, town, but to defend them as well? Town cred is meaningless to scum when they need every non-confirmed townie to get lynched. It's only about who they can get lynched and who they can't and who they can manipulate into helping them.
I want to lynch each and every single one of you. That's what's going through my mind. Polaris was quite agreeable but I admit I haven't really looked at his posts from any perspective other than "hatin' on Dan, AWRIGHT".That's probably a bad criteria to judge from Bard, unless you think Dan is the scum. Which is a possibility we have to take seriously at this point, but if you aren't really reading anyone you aren't being any help at all in making the judgement. Don't go all Zzzz game on me, we have a responsibility to all the townies that have come before to take this seriously and make the right decisions in the end.
How many lynches do we have, again?If you mean today, one. In theory that's all we need, but if there's a tomorrow it will be LYLO.
Anyway that fact that only us three are posting is a major turnoff.Well, we're the three suspects, there's not much the others can do besides judge us. Can you explain what basis or example you're judging K4u's meta on and why you think she would want you gone before me?
To town!me however, I realize two things: 1.) as long as I don't get lynched town can't lose. 2.) the chances of me getting lynched are high, therefore I must make it so my town read does not get lynched. I must convince everyone else that Shadoweh MUST NOT DIE because I do not expect to live.Alright So point 1) I understand, and I too am trying to follow this. 2) This I don't get. It's fine to say who you think is the last scum before you go, but town!K4U should at least make counter points on the person who you do think is town. Otherwise you are giving that person a free pass after you flip town. Why? because if shadoweh is in fact Scum you have done little to catch her, in fact you can even say you helped expedite her victory.
Well, we're the three suspects, there's not much the others can do besides judge us. Can you explain what basis or example you're judging K4u's meta on and why you think she would want you gone before me?I still want feedback -_-. I'm judging K4U on what I would do in her position as town!K4u. Since I don't see town motivated actions, I am rationalizing what I do see as scum motivated actions, and I think they make sense. Why K4u would want me gone before you I am unsure of, however, perhaps it is easier to make a case on me for subjective reasons (because objectively I think it is the opposite).
It's not ironic, I'm just an Umineko nerd. :(Ok. Since I'm town I think I will have you facepalm! nuff' said. Now how about your cases?
Respond please.
Anyway.... Not that Zak isn't suspicious, but he is clearly not the guy to go after.
aside from our two confirmed towns, the day 3 color scale list looks like the day 2 one.
ME!
Shadoweh
Zak
Polaris
HW
Bardiche
Hourai
The defence is too one-dimensional, the insistence of his townieness too blatant and "in your face".
Since the roleblocker hasn't died, and given we've lynched scum each game on D1, a two-scum train becomes less unlikely as Dan keeps on bringing arguments on how he cannot be scum based solely on this fact.Its quite unfair to apply Bayesian probability to this situation. The chance that the uninformed town caught 2 informed scum D1 is not increased by future events (the depletion of village numbers). I have more than this "scum/scum train D1 is impossible" defense (On a side note: Europeans spell defense with a "c" right). Frankly I have Sect. Sect attacked me D1 and I attacked back. It was clear by the end of D1 that Sect was willing to keep his vote on me over Dormio, one of his scum buddies. It makes no sense now as it did then. The next day I keep my vote on Sect the whole day declaring him ObvScum, and stated that I wanted him dead over Bard. I saw Sect's vote on me Day 2 more as a placeholder vote (and in light of developments probably a vote that Sect would have switched to Hourai). Do you think that as Scum I would willingly sacrifice two of my scumbuddies while there was a detective out there and BANK that I'd kill him? I'm sorry if you think these are "Circumstances," but my actions and posts are town intended.
Man, that reminds me of the time Kitten4u was defending Shadoweh... O wait that's now isn't it.You still have yet to explain why this would be the optimal path for me to take. I've already stated how silly this line of thought is and you have yet to counter it.
The next day I keep my vote on Sect the whole day declaring him ObvScum, and stated that I wanted him dead over Bard.Y'know, now that I think about it I don't think you've ever explained why Sect was obvscum. Can you explain now or link to the post where you did earlier if I missed it?
You still have yet to explain why this would be the optimal path for me to take. I've already stated how silly this line of thought is and you have yet to counter it.I'm assuming the "would" is a "wouldn't". This essentially gives Shadoweh a free pass once you die if you are town. I want your case for why shadoweh is town and why I'm scum then we can debate properly.
Y'know, now that I think about it I don't think you've ever explained why Sect was obvscum. Can you explain now or link to the post where you did earlier if I missed it?Sect = Obvscum for not hammering scum D1 and going against town. Did you really reread this game? Why do you think Sect gave up D2, because Sect couldn't keep up the act.
I'm assuming the "would" is a "wouldn't".No, there is no mistake there. You claim that me as scum would clear Shadoweh. How is this optimal for scum that needs to get every non-confirmed townie lynched?
Sect = Obvscum for not hammering scum D1 and going against town. Did you really reread this game? Why do you think Sect gave up D2, because Sect couldn't keep up the act.What made him worse than Bard, Serela/Zak, and Hourai?
Seriously Omba, as if people dismissing what I'm saying wasn't bad enough you have to throw in my face that all my efforts are futile anyway? :|I never said your efforts are futile; that's assuming you're town. If you really are town and only want to ensure Shadoweh does not get lynched because you're dead sure she's town, too, then it shouldn't matter all that much to you if you're dying before Dan. It would only matter if you're considering the possibility of you being wrong about Shadoweh, in which case you'd of course need to stay alive so Shadoweh could get lynched next round if Dan somehow did end up flipping town.
No, there is no mistake there. You claim that me as scum would clear Shadoweh. How is this optimal for scum that needs to get every non-confirmed townie lynched?If you're scum, then the first thing you'd need to do is survive this day. The only way for you to do that is getting one of the other two possible candidates lynched. You increase the probability of that happening if you're concentrating on only one of them. Of course that means you're likely screwed once your target flips town, but there's at least a chance that whoever is still alive next round will lynch Shadoweh instead of you. If you were to die this round, you'd have already lost. A small chance of winning is much better than no chance at all.
I'm assuming the "would" is a "wouldn't". This essentially gives Shadoweh a free pass once you die if you are town. I want your case for why shadoweh is town and why I'm scum then we can debate properly.
You have them (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9126.msg618468.html#msg618468).I said if you were town this is not optimal. As scum!K4U I see this as a gambit to save you a day by attacking me as hard as you can. If you lynch me today then after I flip town you can say, "damn I screwed up, whelp, I guess shadoweh must be the scum, here's why." Yes I think this is a dumb scum play, but I think what you are doing is dumber as town!K4U....
No, there is no mistake there. You claim that me as scum would clear Shadoweh. How is this optimal for scum that needs to get every non-confirmed townie lynched?
What made him worse than Bard, Serela/Zak, and Hourai?What made him worse was that Sect posted about not changing his vote to hammer scum, while the others you speak of were nowhere in sight (one was being replaced) and the other two I STATED WERE MY #2, and #3 choices for scum.
Yes, there is absolutely a difference between what Sect did and what Dormio did. I'm content to basically ignore Sect this game. He compared you to Kips, said that you were stressing him out and said that he didn't really want to play with you. I do not think his vote was founded in logic at all. So yes, he wanted you dead, but he wanted YOU dead. It had nothing to with your role.
I never said your efforts are futile; that's assuming you're town. If you really are town and only want to ensure Shadoweh does not get lynched because you're dead sure she's town, too, then it shouldn't matter all that much to you if you're dying before Dan.I don't actually think this is true. For a townie, sacrificing themselves for any reason means there's one less town in the game and puts town one move closer to an outright loss. No town should ever be willing to give up on the hope that people they can't trust will make the right decision for them. You can't rely on other people to trust your reads.
I don't actually think this is true. For a townie, sacrificing themselves for any reason means there's one less town in the game and puts town one move closer to an outright loss. No town should ever be willing to give up on the hope that people they can't trust will make the right decision for them. You can't rely on other people to trust your reads.Hence why I said "all that much" instead of "at all". Either she really considers you to be 100% town like she said, or she doesn't.
I'd rather not add to the WIFOM you're proposing Dan, but the proven town that were on my wagon at the time didn't unvote me because it was too easy, it was because they didn't think a case on me had merit. huh what was on me as well before he got distracted by UK's amazing trollface, and Kiro is a very convincing player. It's entirely possible they thought they could ride out an easy wagon on me based on what Town was doing.
Dan: I was. Then Hourai flipped town, Kitten replaced in and actually started using :effort: and you kept pushing the idea that your townie cred should get everyone lynched before you. I've been ignoring you for way too long and it's that hesitation that I've always regretted for myself in the end.
Hourai wasn't really sounding scummy to me, even if I thought he was wrong at the time. I told you, it's possible for people to be both obviously town and wrong at the same time. The point about Dormio reminds me, you had to be prodded to vote for your opposing wagon by Kiro (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9126.msg613479.html#msg613479), didn't you? You were still trying to push your case on Hourai with 14 hours left. Why did you think at that point Hourai was worse then Dormio?Because of time. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9126.msg613429.html#msg613429) The next post I switched.
I can't even think of a word for us to play Hangmafia with.
Who is this guy o.o
S E L F H A M R
Away with you, Serela. I'm going to figure out what to do with you when this game's over.I still think he would make for some good bloody ice.
ITT not all scum are mafia. :VITT not all scum are players.
ITT not all scum are players.
Note PX's appearance five posts ago.
ITT not all scum are players.>_>
Of course that means you're likely screwed once your target flips town,It makes no sense. "Divide and conquer" does not work in this situation. My best chance of living did not come from buddying up to anyone. My best chance of living came from casting enough doubt on everyone so that they would get lynched. Two potential lynch targets > one potential lynch target. At the very least, if I, for whatever reason, had a lapse of logic and did think that buddying was the best way to live why would I choose to buddy up to SHADOWEH of all people? Dan had already proven that he was willing to ignore people that declared him town. Hell, I didn't even need either of them on my side. Why wouldn't I buddy up to the confirmed townies? You know, the only ones that would matter at all?
. If you really are town and only want to ensure Shadoweh does not get lynched because you're dead sure she's town, too, then it shouldn't matter all that much to you if you're dying before Dan.While logically sound, this is a bad way to think. I was trying SO hard to convince people I was town despite everything that happened with Polaris. I was trying SO hard to get people to go after who I thought was scum. I was trying SO hard to get people to think the person I thought was town was town. You can't ignore the emotional side of Mafia. You dismissed everything I said like it didn't even matter. Even if that was not your intention, it's what you said to me. I don't think you realize what this does to me, especially after working so hard.
I still want to address this line of thought (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9126.msg622101.html#msg622101) because it makes no sense. As scum, I need EVERYONE lynched. Trying super hard to make someone look townie is counter-productive to that goal. It is not counter-productive to my town goal: keep people I think are town alive. It is not helpful to focus on one person. If I only needed ONE of them lynched it would be, but since I would need them both dead the only logical course of action would be to cast as much doubt on everyone as possible.The thing is, the way you went about making me look super townie was by never presenting any proof on why I wasn't scum. And it WAS helpful to focus the way you did because you didn't just focus on me 'being town', you also focused on Dan 'being scum'. As long as you got one of us here you could hold out on the chance the other confirmed town would doubt me the same way. And frankly I think I look bad right now for believing you in the first place.
At the very least, if I, for whatever reason, had a lapse of logic and did think that buddying was the best way to live why would I choose to buddy up to SHADOWEH of all people? Dan had already proven that he was willing to ignore people that declared him town. Hell, I didn't even need either of them on my side. Why wouldn't I buddy up to the confirmed townies? You know, the only ones that would matter at all?Because Dan was already tunneling on how you must be scum via his own system and I'm more likely to listen if you phrase your case with what I perceive to be town intent. We were all fed up with Dan's antics over the last few days. I was also more likely to listen to you on the basis that you are K4u and I'm terribly biased in your favor despite myself, and it probably makes me a terrible player but there it is.
I still want to address this line of thought (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9126.msg622101.html#msg622101) because it makes no sense. As scum, I need EVERYONE lynched. Trying super hard to make someone look townie is counter-productive to that goal.[...]I didn't say anything about buddying up. Taking a strong stance like that is good way to skew people's perception of something. If you had tried to attack both players that looked more town than you on the same day, that would not have worked nearly as well. Of course, if you are able to pull it off, attacking both would be best. But again, that's if you're able to.
While logically sound, this is a bad way to think. I was trying SO hard to convince people I was town despite everything that happened with Polaris. I was trying SO hard to get people to go after who I thought was scum. I was trying SO hard to get people to think the person I thought was town was town. You can't ignore the emotional side of Mafia. You dismissed everything I said like it didn't even matter. Even if that was not your intention, it's what you said to me. I don't think you realize what this does to me, especially after working so hard.I only restated what you had already written. Namely that you were expecting to die and wanted to make sure Shadoweh does not get lynched. And yes, I did dismiss it, kind of. I should probably have stated that I was sleepy and just wanted to get that part out. On the other hand, you giving up would have had exactly the result I wanted if Bard didn't vote ActionDan.
Which of your posts are you talking about? I don't remember seeing anything that I thought would change her mind if even me asking directly didn't. You still seemed like you wanted her lynch regardless anyways. And I didn't think it mattered. Because I fell for what she was pushing. The impression I got was that she didn't care because you were making it impossible for her to win.This one. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9126.msg622101.html#msg622101)
Well, my actual plan was to lynch you and if you were to flip town, Shadoweh;This is what made me sadface in the first place. :V And then you went all "nope going to lynch you anyway," which in my mind at the time, meant we were totally screwed no matter what I did. So yeah, demoralizing.
The thing is, the way you went about making me look super townie was by never presenting any proof on why I wasn't scum.But I did! I responded to everything Kiro threw at me. I responded to anything anyone asked me. You don't need a huge wall of text to defend someone.
Kitten4u:You already made it clear a few times you wanted me dead before Dan. So did Bard before yesterday, and somehow I think he wouldn't be impressed with me right now either. I think either of you were likely to have voted for me at this point.
Well, my actual plan was to lynch you and if you were to flip town, Shadoweh; unless you were to provide some new insight on ActionDan that would really make me think he's scum. I was actually already getting a feeling you'd flip town, but there was no way I'd get a Shadoweh lynch last day. Plus, stating I want Shadoweh dead before you would have made me the likely NK target if she is scum.
This one. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9126.msg622101.html#msg622101)I didn't think so. It was pretty obvious she had already given up on trying to reason with anyone at that point, and since you were the one that set her off I didn't think anything you said could convince her. And you did sound unreasonable, that's why I unvoted in the first place. I thought you were likely to hammer her if you thought people were considering Dan instead.
Considering she said before that she mainly wanted to make sure you survive, I'd have thought that post might get her to flesh out her cases.
This is what made me sadface in the first place. :V And then you went all "nope going to lynch you anyway," which in my mind at the time, meant we were totally screwed no matter what I did. So yeah, demoralizing.I thought I hadn't made it obvious whom I wanted dead after you at that point. :V
I didn't think so. It was pretty obvious she had already given up on trying to reason with anyone at that point, and since you were the one that set her off I didn't think anything you said could convince her. And you did sound unreasonable, that's why I unvoted in the first place. I thought you were likely to hammer her if you thought people were considering Dan instead.Huh. I wasn't going to hammer anyone before either the discussion ended or The Rocks were closing in. But I guess me previously helping Dan with hammering could have made you think that; you had no way of knowing I didn't plan on quicklynching Zakeri.
Oh, and it was your D4 play that made me think you wanted to lynch Shadoweh over Dan btw.Well yes. I just didn't think it looked like it was set in stone or anything. That, and I thought you'd think you dying as town after defending Shadoweh like that could sway my opinion. It actually might have.
holy what since when the hell does town win in these gamesWhen you aren't modding them. :V
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I still want that rant. :VSame here. :3
AHAHAHAHA He scanned both the trolls. I so can't kill all these ~*CONFIRMED TOWN*~ before they find me~ You'll never take me alive coppas!Is that really a surprise? I even stated that trolls ping my scumdar more frequently than actual scum. Again, people should troll less in mafia.
:3 I was ignoring you on purpose by the way, so you wouldn't do that thing again. You PSYCHIC BASTARD!Also, I never got a nickname that applied to games outside of MRM.derp
:3 I was ignoring you on purpose by the way, so you wouldn't do that thing again. You PSYCHIC BASTARD!I'm not a true psychic bastard until I catch three scum on night 1 with only the flip of a townie and a traitor. For now, I'm just low level.
I know my main problem is lurking but I swear at least half of that was sleep/school :( I know it's my fault that I agreed to taking the last spot when I was occupied with school but I'm a little annoyed at how Edible replaced me half an hour before I was supposed to get home (although I got home late that day regardless, so I guess it's kind of moot) I'm hoping I can actually play a proper game in the summer but I'm not sure if anyone's going to allow me in their games anymore because of my history.
I'm going to have Bardiche take me out to dinner, then we're going to read Cavalier of the Abyss together, and most importantly I'm going to make sure he's not doing a~nything else all night long. <3 It's better this way for the both of us~Night 2:
##Roleblock Bardiche
>_> I don't know if Sect remembered to send in the kill, if he did disregard this messaje.
Otherwise it would be pretty cool if Sect suceeded in a ##Kill: Kiro action. Even if I think he's going to bounce. And we will spend Day 2 crying and lamenting life.
The voices have spoken. As a reward for her protection I will give UncertainKitten sweet merciful release from this circus. When she figures out who killed her please tell her I'm sorry. ;^;Night 3:
##Kill: UncertainKitten
As for Bard, your gambits cannot stop me! NOTHING YOU DO CAN RESIST MY ABILITY TO SPEND EVERY NIGHT WITH YOU AHAHAHAHA
##Roleblock: Bardiche
I am not in fact going to change my mind on these. If the cop checks me and is going to live to tomorrow feel free to end the game before the night is even over. Until then I will press on to win this game for Town, the real town, which is ME AND ME ALONE!
Let's make this like, the shortest freaking night ever. DIE FPMX COP!Night 4:
##KILL HUH WHAT
...Oh hell and I guess I'll ##Roleblock: Bardiche because BARDICHE <3 <3 <3
Seriously you could skip to tomorrow it's not like anyone else's actions can stop this. ;-;
DIE DEMON, YOU DON'T BELONG IN THIS WORLD!Night 5:
##KILL KIRO ##KILL KIRO ##KILL KIRO ##KILL KIRO ##KILL KIRO ##KILL KIRO ##KILL KIRO ##KILL KIRO ##KILL KIRO ##KILL KIRO ##KILL KIRO ##KILL KIRO ##KILL KIRO ##KILL KIRO ##KILL KIRO
I AM SORRY BARD I CANNOT COME TO YOU TONIGHT, YOU WILL HAVE TO WAIT TOMORROW FOR MY LAST VISIT!
##ROLEBLOCK OMBA
AHAHAHAHA FINALLY MY NEMESIS GONE GONE GONE FOREVER AND EVER AND EEEEEEVEEEERRRR
For one of the most amusing players I know you sure were boring today Bard. I so do not want to deal with you tomorrow. Omba can be the one who points out how scummy I am. Also HOW COULD I VISIT ANYONE BUT YOOOOU~<3
##Kill: Bardiche
And doctors, as if they even work.
##Roleblock: Omba
OmbaOne part was as Pesco said me looking at what Kiro'd do, the other part was not bothering to write out what I was thinking. It usually takes me at least as much time to write down what I've concluded as it takes me to get to that conclusion.
Could've been worse, but you've a ways to go. I don't like it when effectively confirmed town seem to stop playing and coast on other people's cases, and that's what it felt like with you. Play every game like you don't get an easy confirmation, and never stop thinking!
The part where the mod told us the final scum wasn't you. :V
Seriously, though, I think it was more that I thought Dan looked worse than you than that I thought you were scum. Once Dan died, Shadoweh's D5 probably would have caused me to look in her direction a bit more. I can't really say, though, since this situation is just figurative.
Not really. I think Kitten would have killed Bard over you regardless.Derp. Well, at least it contributed to lynching you. :V
There are better ways the UK/HW scuffle could be resolved, anyway. :x
I'll have to take a closer look at Bard/Hourai overnight following Sect's flip.(This one gave me some leeway.)
attempted##Saturn Ring Shadoweh
Lessee. Instead of rant, constructive criticism!
<lack of Hourai>
It's just that you somehow never manage to draw attention
I need to change the way I word my posts when I play this game. :(
I also thought Bard not posting much D5 was a ruse in order to get the scum to NK omba instead. :)I said that in the QT didn't I? I'm wondering if Bard will say so or not. Did you reed my blog Dan? I even included some actual scumslips just for you!
Man shadoweh the worst part about D5 was that I could feel you trying to box me into a hole. That's why I brought up the 500 times townier thing, just to break the flow a little. I was pretty certain you were the scum once you unvoted. I just thought I could 1v1 D6 after a K4U. That would require me to stick to my guns and attack K4U though D5 despite my beliefs, or else I'd look quite bad. So ya kitten I am srry, I *did* actually believe you after a while. I also thought you would win against shadoweh after she hammered me!I'm going to be blunt. I think you would have lost horribly. Between Kitten's defense of me, taken more seriously after her townflip, and your actions, you would have lost because you spent the entire game acting like scum. The last day would have been me pointing out how every single post and action you ever made and took was leading up to you automatically winning the game as scum. You were always suposed to be the last lynch because the longer you played the scummier you sounded. Town won because K4u made ME feel like she couldn't be lynched, and I was worried Bard would come back and realize I sounded super scummy five-thousand, so I hammered too quickly. Also? I was bored. I wanted to play Mafia :<
Edible never answered me if I could no-kill and we could vote for Happily Ever After >.>
But Bard why be a dick and make the cop waste his action on you?
Fuckin' jerk :V
Also, to the Graveyard people who said I "forgot" about the roleblocker: no, not quite. Typically scum can only use their role OR kill, not do both: it'd be silly to work off of an assumption where they CAN do both.
>_> Er. The RB's ability to use both was spelled out in the role PMs, which were posted publically on D1.
I have no idea why people think Bard is unreadable >.> There's a huge difference between Scum Bard and lolBard. Scum Bard might actually make cases on the scum during the game! :colonveeplusalpha: You were totally on the mislynch list :D I'm glad I read my role pm better then you did!