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Helelelelele it is your local bunbunmaru reporter and Scarlet Devil Mansion fanboy telling you something about this surprising Touhou 10D trial game.
東方 神霊廟 ～ Touhou Ten Desires (10D)
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Background
There seems to be suddenly an outburst of spirits. The exact cause is unknown, but there are a lot of them. Four of our favourite girls, each with their own sense of reasoning, head out to investigate this incident.
Game and Playable characters
The game comes with standard options and ....................................... SFX_ZUN.WAV ! Spell card practise! It is almost Imperishable Night all over again.
There are four girls playable for this 13th version of Touhou. A lot of people will dislike it, some will love it. Either way, ZUN's law is law. Wait, or was it his word is law. Well ZUN's beer is surely law! Hakurei Reimu, Kirisame Marisa, Kochiya Sanae and Konpaku Youmu will be your four playable command girls for this game. Their outfits are fancy and their appearance looks actually more adult than the early games. Somehow I have the impression ZUN is becoming better and better.
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ZUN grants you fanboys four girls to play with. Click for larger version
Each girl comes with its unique shot type and bombing ability. You can read about this more in detail in the impression section.
Mechanism and Spirits
The game uses the basic movement which we are all familiar with. Arrow keys for movement, SHIFT for focussing, X for bombing and Z for firing and the introduction again of the C-button See below for explanation. Focus mode in this game has an alternative shot type for all girls. Explaining them all would be boring, but for example: In focus mode, Marisa's lasers turn into magical bullets and she fires an additional magical imbued AA-missile (Marisa could easily join the army with this).
The game mechanism seems to be a fun twist from UFO. The life, bomb and point ufos have been turned into colourful spirits with an additional grey spirit. These spirits appear by killing either fairies or you receive them from other enemy spirits. Bosses seem to spawn/use them for several things as well. They are defined as follow:
- A purple spirit will grant you a life piece
- A green spirit will grant you a bomb piece
- A blue spirit will increase your base point value
- A grey spirit will fill up your 'Trance Meter'
Explaining Trance mode and C-button.
The 'Trance' Meter is a small skull image located at the left bottom corner of your game. This meter will fill up if you collect grey spirits. There are two ways this meter can be used: 1) By death or 2) When full, hitting C.
In both cases, you entire screen will turn fancy and flashy. Your girl will turn temporarily transparency, being in a trance. During this time, you have maximum power and are invulnerable to any damage. However, the meter will quickly deplete as the giant timer shows the remaining time.
Though there is a difference. If you die, your girl will be forced into trance and anything within the meter will deplete. The more it is filled, the more you will benefit. When the meter depleted, your character will go Pichuーn! and you will officially lose a life. On the other hand, to activate trance mode manually, you must fill the entire meter. You won't go Pichuーn at the end, as this is activated manually. | (http://i56.tinypic.com/140ztw2.png) |
Enemies and Bosses
Your enemies are typically fairies as usual, however the setting of this game seems to be a cemetary/grave yard. The fairies are looking quite pale and those spirits from SA make their reappearance here. The bosses, heh. Typically the spoiler section for all the readers.
A few old girls make their appearance here, you will have to find out who they are. But the two new bosses, I will spoil for you: Kasodani Kyouko , a girl with a bamboo broom (does Marisa have a rival?!) & Miyako Yoshika a girl who seems to be a zombie? (Thriller Night Jichael Mackson?)
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Is it me or are these girls quite fancy?
Either way, I have not much info on these girls, but their designs are fitting and funny at first glance. I only played it on Easy Mode, so I have no idea what their exact abilities are. From what I have seen, the bamboo broom girl has strange ability of creating dimensions which the bullets bounce within, making it quite tricky. It is hard to explain, but you can just go see for yourself!
Danmaku is all about power!
Kirisame Marisa knows when she talks about flashy attacks and bombs. But seems like the other girls won't get defeated by her. This game contains flashy bombs. Just look at them and tell me, don't you just want to get hit by Reimu's balls? or by Sanae's faith sign? You do right?
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Angled master spark, yin yang balls of faith, 5-point star of faith, supreme slashing Myon.... oh my, I think I am going to faint.
Final words and impression
It is looking good. I am personally always a fan of flashy things, so I share the opinion of Marisa. If it isn't flashy, it isn't danmaku. Though personally I am not really pleased by the UFO-ish mechanism for life and bombs. The spell card practise promises lots of fun, and I am wondering if we will be able to get tricky Last Words again.
There is one small funny thing noted now officially, ZUN seems to have made a mistake with the family name of Kyouko. Ingame, her family name reads: "Kasoya" , however Arashi and several members have confirmed her name is "Kasodani" as it is written in the omake and discussed on the wiki. I guess he was bit too drunk around that time?
All in all, be warned that you will most likely run into bullets trying to collect to spirits. Not because they float around as in UFO, but because the game contains high density of flashy effects such as sparks, particles, explosions, auras. Makes me wonder if ZUN has watched some of the Danmakufu scripters in RikaNitori section.
As usual, I won't be judging the music because I don't like that. My goal is to report you the game, not bore you with subjective opinions. We all know Sep-- ** brutally Yin-Yang balled by Hakurei Reimu ** Pichuーn!
A--- h---- guh*. . . cough* si... since...rly, you--r rep-- rep-- guh*
--Hele
Credits:
Thanks people on IRC for helping me out with certain details.
Thanks to ArashiKurobara for pointing me out Kyouku's family name.
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first.
also, IT'S OVER 9000! (the thread number)
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Your Touhou write-ups always make this ol' tengu proud, Helepolis.
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I do my best. =3
People who participate in this thread: You can freely post names/game information. Thread title contains SPOILER, thus you don't need to use [/spoiler] tags.
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Anyone else surprised at the Kogasa appearance?
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Anyone else surprised at the Kogasa appearance?
Kogasa has seemed to
*sunglasses*
suprised you all.
YEAAAAAAAAAAAH (http://people.rit.edu/~bss6378/instantCSI/)
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Kyouko and Miyako...
oh god ZUN has been watching Madoka and Hidamari
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Kogasa has seemed to
*sunglasses*
suprised you all.
YEAAAAAAAAAAAH (http://people.rit.edu/~bss6378/instantCSI/)
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Kyouko and Miyako...
oh god ZUN has been watching Madoka and Hidamari
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought of that.
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Came so close to No Death/No Bomb clearing Normal D: Which is basically what I have to do because of crashing drivers when leaving spirit mode.
At least I got far enough to see all the new characters and YAY KOGASA YOUR BULLETS ARE SO PRETTY
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I totally called zombie Miyako-chan. BV
Also, Kogasa did not surprise me at all, since everyone said that she was going to appear as a midboss.
So far, this game has had the most returning characters outside of a phantasmagoria.
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When I first played and saw Yuyuko, I thought "6 stage boss to a first stage boss? That's kinda sad D:".
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So it turns out that Kyouko can't seem to settle on her own family name. :V Portrait and omake.txt both say Kasodani, life bar says Kasoya.
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Kogasa's omake text.
It's official, Kogasa is Touhou's buttmonkey. Isn't it sad Kogasa?
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Youmu is so much fun to play as :D She almost seems borderline broken at times, though; her slash can clear almost half a screen's worth of stage enemies at once, and a lot of boss attacks allow her to just sit in front of the boss and spam it.
On another note: is it just me, or does custom.exe just plain out not work? I can change the settings around all I want, and they seem to save if I close the program and reopen it, but the changes I made don't seem to affect the actual game at all.
Also I somehow managed to crash the game by slashing Miyako just as she started to explode.
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I totally called zombie Miyako-chan. BV
Also, Kogasa did not surprise me at all, since everyone said that she was going to appear as a midboss.
So far, this game has had the most returning characters outside of a phantasmagoria.
Wasnt its gen who called it, and you who said that ZUN's known for doing weird shit like that?
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Possibly-funny story: When I first saw Kyouko's portrait, on the wiki's Ten Desires characters page (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Ten_Desires/Characters), I thought she was Kogasa with a new costume until I scrolled down a few seconds later :derp:
In my defense, I wasn't paying as much attention to the names, and they both start with K :V
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I played this and came so hard.
Youmu, I shall be maining you, not just because you're my favorite but you're so freaking fun to play with.
So, yeah, anyone here done a Lunatic 1cc already?
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some info to add.
while in trance mode, green and purple spirits collect at double value, while blue spirits collect at 10 times value
every 10 graze = +10 to score max value.
edit: trance mode to get extra stock and bombs seems counter intuitive. bosses drop item to collect, you trance to collect them at double value, then you fail the spellcard afterwards.
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lol continues actually let you continue now
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Oh yeah and that nameless stage one midboss is totally Nue :V
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Kyaaa, I can't play this game until I get home. :( However, I'm listening to the music on Youtube, and it is excellent. ZUN always astounds me with how he can find a new music motif for each game.
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Played it through with oversized Marisa with a lousy 3cc on Normal. Didn't work as well as it did in some of the other games.
Overall, liking the game mechanics, character selections, etc. but this time I won't be sticking to Master Sparking my enemies to victory.
I hate how, due to the need to translate WIndows -> Unix -> Mac OS code in OS X's WINE, it was typically at about 30-40FPS with a few dips and highs here and there. Really slow danmaku barrages tend to trip me off far more often than fast ones.
lol continues actually let you continue now
It's a good thing for general players. Don't let the elites and perfectionists trick you. They're great for improving, but for the first few times, well, not so much.
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Oh yeah and that nameless stage one midboss is totally Nue :V
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Miyako's ability, "Power to eat anything and everything". So I guess Yuyuko has a new friend?
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Miyako's ability, "Power to eat anything and everything". So I guess Yuyuko has a new friend?
And/or a new predator :V
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Oh wow ZUN actually combined every shottype. Like Reimu has homing unfocused and needle focused.
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Reimu has homing unfocused and needle focused.
I really like this shot-type. Or maybe it's because I haven't played as Marisa, Sanae or Youmu yet. :derp:
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In all honesty, I suck at every shot type that isn't homing amulet. :fail:
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God I could listen to this stage 1 theme for hours. That percussion <3
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Scrolled way too fast.
Please delete.
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Stage 2 boss The Cheery Forgotten Umbrella
Kogasa Tatara
Race: karakasa ghost
Ability: power to surprise humans
A youkai umbrella that wanders around the sky above the temple. She found her place in the cemetery, and found herself living in the cemetery most of the time. This is because while humans that are rarely surprised in the middle of the road, they are easily scared when they are in the cemetery. You finally did it. Amazing.
But an incident has crept to disrupt her truly happy time.
A youkai who was never seen before has been appearing from the inside of the cemetary, and has been moving around like it was its home ever since.
She tried to get in contact with that youkai, but she couldn't communicate with the youkai at all. Feeling threatened, she wanted to shoo away the youkai forcefully.
But that ended up as futility. No matter how she attacked, she couldn't get a response out of it, so she escaped.
While she was considering whether she should ask for help of the members of the temple, she saw those humans that she saw before. They were those, whom she encountered and fought several times before.
"They must have come to defeat that youkai!" And so she thought, and decided to ask boldly.
And she ended up like this.
...so basically BYAKUREN KILLED KOGASA :3
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...so basically BYAKUREN KILLED KOGASA
I thought "those" meant the playable characters.
Then again, that doesn't cover Youmu, since Kogasa hadn't fought her yet...
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I thought "those" meant the playable characters.
It does. Kogasa went to the cemetary of her own choosing, too.
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I thought "those" meant the playable characters.
Then again, that doesn't cover Youmu, since Kogasa hadn't fought her yet...
oh wow I totally missed that
:derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp:
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starting a petition to change the name of trance meter to the Orin meter.
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oh wow I totally missed that
lol when I read your first post about Byakuren killing Kogasa, I thought you meant that Byakuren killed Kogasa, Kogasa became a ghost and was sent to the cemetery. But then I was like "WHY WOULD BYAKUREN DO THAT I THOUGHT SHE WAS YOUKAI CHRIST".
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Was anyone else reminded of the end of this (http://youtu.be/SwwTDanD_iM) when they first encountered her in the graveyard of all places?
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Are each character's pro's and con's translated yet?
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starting a petition to change the name of trance meter to the Orin meter.
Also add a thing that lets you press V to call her zombie faeries to assist.
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Is anything translated yet?
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Omakes in the wiki. (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Ten_Desires)
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Omakes in the wiki. (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Touhou_Wiki)
Just noticed them.
Also, does this mean that Kyouko works in the Myouren temple?
Then again, it says that it's in the mountain, and the temple's in the HUman Village, so it's unlikely...
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While I still main as Reimu as usual, playing as Youmu is FUN.
Far more so than in IN and PoFV.
Cutting up fairies and bosses up so bad, they dun wish I din cut them up so bad
is just. SO. MUCH. FUN.
The slash is a bit buggy though and can cause crashes, for example if the slash is released simultaneously as a boss explodes, or a slash is released simultaneously when you're hit (especially if its a Trance-triggering hit).
Also Rigid Paradise. ON REPEAT. NOW.
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Gameplay-wise, I like this item collection system much better than UFO's. For one, items appear where whatever you were shooting dies, and then remain static. They're not bouncing and careening across the screen through a latticework of danmaku. Having your sprite just sorta inhale them upon getting close to them is also nice. Plus, the music is great.
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Just noticed them.
Also, does this mean that Kyouko works in the Myouren temple?
Then again, it says that it's in the mountain, and the temple's in the HUman Village, so it's unlikely...
It also states that Kogasa encountered a youkai at the graveyard, and that Yoshika has a master. Assuming Yoshika isn't Kogasa's youkai, this potentially puts a big hit on Myouren appearing, unless we see one of the temple Youkai appearing.
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Just some impressions on characters...
Reimu's shot type: Homing amulets unfocused, Persuasion Needle focused. The homing is not very fast and seems to prefer stuff straight ahead so it's not like IN's crazy all-over-the-place homing, but it's not an intrinsically weak shot type either this time. Fantasy Seal seems alright.
Marisa's got lasers unfocused and missiles focused. Her lasers are actually really damn powerful, I was impressed. The focus shot seems to be a little bit weaker almost and not so great for stage segments, but they do explode ala SanaeB's frogs on contact. Seems to be the highest power normal shot. Master Spark.
Sanae's the spread type. Her spread is pretty good if a little bit underwhelming power-wise, and her forward focus shot doesn't seem that powerful either; but the spread gets really damn wide and isn't too bad for damage. Her pentagram bomb is awesome looking but I'm not sure how powerful it is yet.
Youmu's weird. The hit range on her charged shot is short vertically but surprisingly wide. Her normal shot isn't anything spectacular. She could be the most powerful if you can use her right - but it requires staying fairly close to bosses (you can't hit them from the bottom). It doesn't start charging until the old slash finishes, so to get the most damage, you actually need to fire regularly for a moment after starting each slash. Bomb is awesome-looking.
Also: For scoring purposes, the bosses let out a spirit as they take damage. If you're close enough to them, you can collect every spirit they give off (your 'absorption range' will include their spawn point), which can significantly pump up item value by a few hundred extra during a phase or spellcard.
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this potentially puts a big hit on Myouren appearing
I'll once again state this.
I want my flying bishonen Myouren. I've seen his potential.
Unless ZUN goes a whole other direction and brings in Youki. :V
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I'll once again state this.
I want my flying bishonen Myouren. I've seen his potential.
Unless ZUN goes a whole other direction and brings in Youki. :V
Stage 4 boss gimick: Reimu and Sanae face Myouren. Marisa and Youmu face Youki.
:V
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Mmm...enjoyment. But when I compare this game's Normal mode to every other game's, it just seems so easy. But it's just a trial, and at least Hard is hard...
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Stage 4 boss gimick: Reimu and Sanae face Myouren. Marisa and Youmu face Youki.
:V
YES
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Mmm...enjoyment. But when I compare this game's Normal mode to every other game's, it just seems so easy. But it's just a trial, and at least Hard is hard...
I think ZUN the difficulty of getting lives into account and made Normal easier because of it
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I like how ZUN has been playing around with rhythm more for this game. Yoshiko Miyako's theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuqXpsPMXp8) is a great example. I love this theme so much.
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Rigid Paradise is my favorite theme so far. :3
Yay for flying loli zombies~!
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Yay for flying loli zombies~!
Chinese zombie loli yay
and also, she has a star on her hat. Reminds me of Meiling :3
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Chinese zombie loli yay
and also, she has a star on her hat. Reminds me of Meiling :3
Maybe all chinese Touhous will have a star on their hat? :derp:
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I think ZUN just has some sort of attraction to stars. There's Marisa, Meiling, some other people...
i get it
it all makes sense now
he is a
lolicon
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Maybe all chinese Touhous will have a star on their hat? :derp:
Maybe so :V On the topic of Chinese Touhous, I keep thinking that Chen is Chinese. I mean, her theme is Chinese, and she wears Chinese-ish clothing.
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Oh yeah and that nameless stage one midboss is totally Nue :V
*sniff* I said this in my mini review which was posted towards the time the previous thread was locked.
AH, no matter; I won't post it all again. Still, glad to see the omakes being translated. Has anyone started on the translation of the stories yet? I'd love to know how Reimu/Marisa/Sanae react to Kogasa appearing once again, and Youmu's exchange with Yuyuko.
I will also ask... does Kogasa have a spell card on Hard or Lunatic? Cause she has none on Normal, which is a bit of a shame.
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I think ZUN just has some sort of attraction to stars. There's Marisa, Meiling, some other people...
Sanae, too :3
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Fanarts are starting to pop up on deviantart.
http://fav.me/d3e2dxv
http://fav.me/d3e284o
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Sanae, too :3
It all makes sense now, He's a super lolicon.
Guys, am I good at figuring things out or what?
Back on topic though, Finally got 10D, The music is sheer eargasm, It's actually easy for me to play, and Sanae's my favorite character to play as. God I love spread-types.
also fanarts been around for 4 hours on booru.
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I will also ask... does Kogasa have a spell card on Hard or Lunatic? Cause she has none on Normal, which is a bit of a shame.
She does.
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Replay function doesn't work? When I play a replay it simply won't replay and I have to play myself.
Also, am I really the only person who notices this? Picking up this life part in stage 1 doesn't add a life part. I can reproduce this every single time and think this happens on more locations than this one
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http://keine-keine.deviantart.com/#/d3e284o
more touhou 13 deviantart fan art :V
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Replays work fine here.
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Fanarts are starting to pop up on deviantart.
Yeah, the 'wow, that was fast' pool on Danbooru is getting a number of pictures flung in there too; not surprised really.
And thank you for that, Koa. Since I cleared Normal only losing 1 life, I might as well try Hard.
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http://keine-keine.deviantart.com/#/d3e284o
more touhou 13 deviantart fan art :V
Sorry, I ninja'd you to that one. :V
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...okay, just because I can 1CC Normal mode without much trouble apparently doesn't mean that I'm ready for Hard mode yet. Seems like I need to learn get better at bombing before I got hit instead of after. :V
Also, am I really the only person who notices this? Picking up this life part in stage 1 doesn't add a life part. I can reproduce this every single time and think this happens on more locations than this one
Look at the counter below the life meter, and you'll notice it has changed from 0/10 to 1/10. Also, no problems with replays here, though I can't seem to get the changes I make in custom.exe to apply to the game for whatever reason; anyone else encountered this glitch?
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=DD Must. Try. Downloading now...
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I think ZUN the difficulty of getting lives into account and made Normal easier because of it
So I guess 10D is the opposite of UFO. You get hardly any extends, but you aren't running from an ungodly magnitude of bullets all the time. :P
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Kogasa's spellcard on Hard/Lunatic is a more colorful version of Byakuren's first card.
And it's actually always doable unlike UFO's usual ridiculous random wallcrap usually with the very rare handed to you capture. This one's just easy.
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Youmu's weird. The hit range on her charged shot is short vertically but surprisingly wide. Her normal shot isn't anything spectacular. She could be the most powerful if you can use her right - but it requires staying fairly close to bosses (you can't hit them from the bottom). It doesn't start charging until the old slash finishes, so to get the most damage, you actually need to fire regularly for a moment after starting each slash. Bomb is awesome-looking.
Also note that in trance she's just constantly slashing, which is pretty awesome.
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...okay, just because I can 1CC Normal mode without much trouble apparently doesn't mean that I'm ready for Hard mode yet. Seems like I need to learn get better at bombing before I got hit instead of after. :V
Look at the counter below the life meter, and you'll notice it has changed from 0/10 to 1/10. Also, no problems with replays here, though I can't seem to get the changes I make in custom.exe to apply to the game for whatever reason; anyone else encountered this glitch?
10 life parts for 1 life? Am I a retard (probably) or does that mean no obtainable lives in the demo? Cause I have definetely not seen so many life parts. Maybe the size of the orbs matter, since they shrink over time. Altough I picked up this life part as quick as I could...
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It all makes sense now, He's a super lolicon.
KONO RORIKON DOMOMEEEEEE
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10 life parts for 1 life? Am I a retard (probably) or does that mean no obtainable lives in the demo? Cause I have definetely not seen so many life parts. Maybe the size of the orbs matter, since they shrink over time. Altough I picked up this life part as quick as I could...
I think that there's a total of 13 life parts you can get in the demo; at least that's the maximum amount I have ended with on Normal mode. Some are dropped by big fairies during the stage portions, but most seem to be dropped after boss spellcards.
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Also, no problems with replays here, though I can't seem to get the changes I make in custom.exe to apply to the game for whatever reason; anyone else encountered this glitch?
I can't get custom.exe to open, which is the same problem I had in UFO. However, it's fun to play windowed - sort of balances out the difficulty.
Also note that in trance she's just constantly slashing, which is pretty awesome.
I just finished trying Youmu, and I agree she's tricky. Once you get to 3.0, though, you can pretty much just strafe back and forth unfocused and wipe out anything. Trance is also a huge payoff in that constant slashing - does a lot of damage from up close.
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I'm personally enjoying the divine spirits more than I did the UFOs. However, it looks like playing for score will involve playing near the PoC for 90% of the game, unless there's some other method to increasing the Trance meter that I'm unaware of. Youmu is also pretty awesome for the easier difficulties, but being unable to shoot while focused will be ridiculous during the late-game denser spells.
ALSO MUSIC I LIKE HOW IT CHANGES DURING TRANCE AND ALL THE SONGS ARE AWESOME EXCEPT FOR STAGE 3 BUT IT BECOMES AWESOME DURING TRANCE SO THAT'S OKAY
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Sorry, I ninja'd you to that one. :V
Oops, didn't see that one in your post :derp:
http://ninamo-chan.deviantart.com/art/Kyouko-sketch-205003850
http://kurai-raven.deviantart.com/#/d3e1u3m
Miyako works at McDonalds now. She is competing with Orin, who currently owns Wendy's.
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10 life parts for 1 life? Am I a retard (probably) or does that mean no obtainable lives in the demo? Cause I have definetely not seen so many life parts. Maybe the size of the orbs matter, since they shrink over time. Altough I picked up this life part as quick as I could...
Nah, you can get lives in the demo. I think there are some bonus enemies in the latter part of Stage 2 that drop life shards if you kill the bomb shard giving ones fast enough. That, and of course you get shards for capping spells except final spells, unless it was only some of them and I just didn't pay enough attention...
Also, Trance mode. Remember, once you've got a full 3-point meter, you can press C to manually enter it and if you do so when the life shards are up, you can grab em for 2x the shards while being invincible and blasting everything to bits. =)
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She is competing with Orin, who currently owns Wendy's.
I laughed more than I should.
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ALSO MUSIC I LIKE HOW IT CHANGES DURING TRANCE AND ALL THE SONGS ARE AWESOME EXCEPT FOR STAGE 3 BUT IT BECOMES AWESOME DURING TRANCE SO THAT'S OKAY
When I first went into trance mode I thought that I was high or something. The music got slower and yeahhhh
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When I first went into trance mode I thought that I was high or something. The music got slower and yeahhhh
Maybe them spirits make you high? :derp:
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Kyouko. quickly won her way into my top favorites. She's an echo for crying out load! That's just neat.
Plus her danmaku is amazingly fun. The most creative boss gimmick I've seen in a while.
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Oh yeah,
AND THERE'S NO GRAVESTONE DANMAKU. THANK YOU GOD.
Edit: Damn you post warning. :(
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I'm personally enjoying the divine spirits more than I did the UFOs. However, it looks like playing for score will involve playing near the PoC for 90% of the game, unless there's some other method to increasing the Trance meter that I'm unaware of. Youmu is also pretty awesome for the easier difficulties, but being unable to shoot while focused will be ridiculous during the late-game denser spells.
ALSO MUSIC I LIKE HOW IT CHANGES DURING TRANCE AND ALL THE SONGS ARE AWESOME EXCEPT FOR STAGE 3 BUT IT BECOMES AWESOME DURING TRANCE SO THAT'S OKAY
yeah, i'm attempting score runs as well (even though i'm not great) on normal. Even with memorizing the stage. You have to shoot unfocused, while grazing the boss, and staying at the PoC all through the entire stage. This get's VERY difficult with the advent of so much randomness in lots of the stage (especially with the random appearing ying yangs and various other things).
Additionally the current implementation of the manual trance seems odd to me. The first time I can get it up seems to be right before yuyuko. So it would make sense to pop it and grab the bomb and life pieces at 2x value. However doing this right before a spellcard sets you up to fail the bonus. This seems extremely counter intuitive.
additionally something to note, at a certain point during the demo I was at 0/15 heart pieces.... : / not sure I like where this is going; however, the system has huge potential imo.
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After I finally convinced my computer to behave and not automatically delete the .exe thinking (erroneously, of course) it was infected, I can put all of today's anxiety toward waiting for the trial to good use. Lunatic Mode, straight away! Go!
Okay, so I didn't 1cc it on my first try, but I did get to the Stage 3 Boss (http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3024/tendesirestrialstage3bo.jpg). Also of note is that I perfected (a.k.a. NDNBNT) Stage 1 on said first try (http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/5660/tendesirestrialstage1pe.jpg). Granted, the No Trance bit was more because I'm still wrapping my head around how to keep track of it. And am I reading this right, is there really an auto-Trance feature when you get killed? Amidst all the divine spirits, you suddenly become a "vengeful" one upon death. :V
I still need to 1cc the trial before I can completely judge it, but so far I'm quite impressed. Lunatic Mode still feels challenging, despite what ZUN claims about the difficulty. And let's not forget this is only the first half of the game - wait until we see how hard the final boss becomes, I'm calling this one right here. I'm also glad that the spirit mechanic isn't quite like the UFOs that some here may have hoped for (you know who you are). Similar in that you have to go up the screen to get them, but that's all they share. And once again ZUN composed some great pieces of music. Now if only I knew enough Japanese, I'd help out with the translations too.
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Thanks for the clarification. 1 Life in 3 stages is kinda harsh, but I guess it will work out.
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The title theme is actually the best theme this time :3
That and Yuyuko's new theme are my favourites so far
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Until we get to hear the remixed Corpse Voyage Be Of Good Cheer in the full version.
Orin will be in the game. And I'll be annoyed if she isn't.
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Until we get to hear the remixed Corpse Voyage Be Of Good Cheer in the full version.
Orin will be in the game. And I'll be annoyed if she isn't.
She already is, the Orin meter at the bottom left is her gauge. When it's full she allows you to be of good cheer and destroy everything in your path.
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MIMA
*shot*
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Calling it right now:
Orin's stage 4 boss, background is now a very dark place, she claims you are stealing her spirits, and fights you.
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Replay function doesn't work? When I play a replay it simply won't replay and I have to play myself.
Also, am I really the only person who notices this? Picking up this life part in stage 1 doesn't add a life part. I can reproduce this every single time and think this happens on more locations than this one
(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3208/tendesiresbug.th.jpg) (http://img156.imageshack.us/i/tendesiresbug.jpg/)
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It does see the 0/10 becoming 1/10?
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Huh, I 1cc with every character on my first go, except with Youmu. (It took me three times with Youmu, and on my second run, I lost my last life a second before Yoshika exploded. I love having the different shot types combined as they are (just like IN). Youmu's a little tricky to use, but I'm sure I'll get the knack for it. It's nice to know you can continue where you left off, not that it matters for my play style (if I can't 1cc, that means I need to practice some more). I don't have a problem with the apparent lack of ability to max out the life counter, since I don't plan on dying all that much, anyway. Trance mode is a great addition, assuming I can remember to use it (it's built in to trigger bombs for me; trance mode is going to take some time to use properly). I didn't expect to see Yuyuko as a stage one boss (though, it makes perfect sense when you're Youmu, can't just let her gardener run off). I love having the GFW life bars; keeps me from having to look at the top of the screen to see how much health the boss has left. Overall, I'm impressed. ZUN's outdone himself again on this one. Can't wait for the full version! :3
(And Orin better not appear; having three bosses reappear in a non-phantasmagoria doesn't work for me; I want some new characters with something I've never seen before; that means I don't want to see Mima, either; reappearing bosses are for the first half of the game, not the latter half, unless there's a really good set up for it.)
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When I first tried to play Youmu and noticed her focused "shot" I thought she would be that one bad gimmicky character but after giving her a chance I'd say her "gimmick" is pretty well done. It's very fun to slash these fairies that usually survive quite a few shots from every other character or those that come in pairs.
I'm a bit unsure how this ability works against bosses though. I seem to be able to hit them no matter where my character is located but with varying amounts of damage done. Can anyone explain how this works?
Also the skill gap between Normal mode and Hard mode seems a bit huge. I didn't even need to bomb once when I played the game blind on Normal but I can't consistently clear Stage 2 without being killed on Hard mode. But that might be just me.
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One big thing I've got to do is stop going to the PoC constantly to collect spirits and then get sniped by a fairy entering the screen :V
Man, it's like UFO all over again. This should be a lot less of a bothering life system then UFO was at least, but you have to make sure you don't accidentally forget/not notice to collect life pieces... they don't last long! Well, same for bombs, too.
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Is only me that has the problem with slashing blocking bullets.
I died like 3 times while slashing cause I didn't see the bullet that hit me.
Or is it just me having bad eyesight for these things.
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The floating spirits system actually kinda annoys me. When bosses release them, you gotta get close to them to pick them up! Is the game trying to force you to use your Trance?
The music's good. Like any other game, it'll take awhile to rub off on me, but it's good.
Also, ZUN's special effects are getting really nice. I love how Reimu's spirit orbs shiver.
Also, combining shot types and giving only one type of bomb is a wonderful way of condensing things. I love it.
One thing in particular still kinda bothers me. ZUN has been kinda straying away from traditional danmaku style, making gimmickier and gimmickier attacks. I'd like to see some nice and straightforward sunburst-type danmaku again someday.
Also, concerning Yoshika:Her flesh body is very hard, and joints do not bend. She cannot even walk that well. Her master is recommending an exercise training for flexibility. Activity with no flexibility often ends up in injury. Though she is just a zombie.
What is it that she is keeping safe? And what of her master, who employed a meaningless bodyguard like her?
Stay tuned for the retail version!
AHHH MAN
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Just finished Normal with Reimu. I had a big smile while playing.
Never expected Yuyuko to be a first boss. And I'm surprised I was right about assuming that the game would use FW styled boss meters.
What is Kyouko supposed to be?
My mouth hung open when I saw Kogasa. ZUN must have been stalking the forums.
And yay for jiang-shi boss!
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One big thing I've got to do is stop going to the PoC constantly to collect spirits and then get sniped by a fairy entering the screen :V
Man, it's like UFO all over again. This should be a lot less of a bothering life system then UFO was at least, but you have to make sure you don't accidentally forget/not notice to collect life pieces... they don't last long! Well, same for bombs, too.
Bosses usually don't fire for a while after you dispel their spell cards, and with normal fairies, when you see red/green spirits it's a perfect time to activate your Trance anyways.
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Some observations about the scoring system, correct me if I'm wrong?
Small divine spirits only drops from enemies if you shoot them down very quickly, i.e. popcorn faeries need to be shot down as soon as they enter the screen or you get nothing, but more lenient on big faeries.
The rate at which bosses drop small divine spirits depend entirely on your proximity to their hitbox; as long as shooting and hugging their hitbox they drop the blue ones at several a second which in turn also refills your SR gauge quickly.
Best returns on using trance is activating it on a boss then sitting on top of their hitbox where your point values start to skyrocket from blue spirits, its almost like parsee again. On auto-trance, bosses seem to stop dropping spirits though.
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One, I'm not reading what you guys have posted because of spoilers. And two, darn it, I can't run the game at all. Missing a directx file. I've tried the end user runtime web installer thing, and it fails 2 seconds in. So grrr, I have to wait to see if people on the microsoft forums can help me. :(
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One, I'm not reading what you guys have posted because of spoilers. And two, darn it, I can't run the game at all. Missing a directx file. I've tried the end user runtime web installer thing, and it fails 2 seconds in. So grrr, I have to wait to see if people on the microsoft forums can help me. :(
Download d3dx9_43.dll manually and stick that in your game directory.
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I'll call Yuyuko's downgrade the "King Dedede Phase". I'll explain.
King Dedede was the final boss of the very first Kirby game and a few others after that (also taking the role of penultimate boss). However, in Kirby Squeak Squad, Dedede was downgraded to first boss and is notably easier to defeat.
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I'll call Yuyuko's downgrade the "King Dedede Phase". I'll explain.
King Dedede was the final boss of the very first Kirby game and a few others after that (also taking the role of penultimate boss). However, in Kirby Squeak Squad, Dedede was downgraded to first boss and is notably easier to defeat.
Judging by the text on for official profile for the game, it seems she's just taking it easy (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Yuyuko_Saigyouji#Ten_Desires_-_omake.txt).
Some humans were intruding her properties to investigate about divine spirits. After seeing them, she was relaxed that there was no need for her to do anything, and decided to continue with her flower viewing.
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Oh wow, Stage 3 replays are derped, just like Utsuho back in SA. I got by with a single miss and managed to finish the game before the timer ran out. In the replay I lost all my lives ._.''
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I'll call Yuyuko's downgrade the "King Dedede Phase". I'll explain.
King Dedede was the final boss of the very first Kirby game and a few others after that (also taking the role of penultimate boss). However, in Kirby Squeak Squad, Dedede was downgraded to first boss and is notably easier to defeat.
Squeak Squad was a joke :( The most disappointing Kirby game I've ever played.
I love Yuyuko's depiction though. She's got these nice poses. Her portrait has her folding her arms in a very royal, nearly cocky manner, and her attacking sprite looks like she's... Flexing, or something. It's manly and cool. Manly Yuyuko might as well become a new meme.
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...Hm. The game randomly froze up when I beat the last boss. Oh, well, it's never happened before.
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ZUN wasn't kidding when he said it would be easier.
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Okay, so after 3ccing with Youmu and Reimu without knowing anything, thoughts:
The Netherworld is pretty. :)
Youmu, you're something. Focus shot being wide slashes? Awesome.
Yuyuko what are you doing as a stage 1 boss that's not right although now I can say 'Hey I NDNB Yuyuko on Lunatic'
Circle health bar is alright, but not as good as traditional health bars. Oh well.
S2 Boss' gimmick is fun. Reflecting bullets off non-edges, woo
KOGASA WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE... AND WHY NO SPELL CARDS
oh wow S3 boss, nice zombie pose there. Wait stop healing yourself arggrgrghgg
Game bugged when playing as Reimu after Youmu, for some reason. No bombs, no dialogue skipping, and crashed after defeating Yoshika. (On a side note, only two new lolis and I'm having trouble remembering their names ??? )
Also, Kogasa: her ability only lets her surprise the players. :V
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Wait, she heals herself? I never noticed.
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Seeing Yuyu-sama as a stage 1 boss makes me imagine Mystia laughing at her. And also Yuyuko playing with Team ⑨.
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Wait, she heals herself? I never noticed.
Yeah, I think she does. I remember her sucking up the divine spirits,
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Wait, she heals herself? I never noticed.
Yeah, I timed out her last card on my first try even after realizing it. :V
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KOGASA WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE... AND WHY NO SPELL CARDS
Also, Kogasa: her ability only lets her surprise the players. :V
Play Hard or Lunatic, preferably Lunatic. Great spellcard unlike the one it seems to be based off of.
Which fails cause we were all expecting this.
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Ugh, Yoshika's (the jiang-shi) danmaku clusters are so damn thick. >_< I timed out on her first card because I couldn't find a way around it.
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I kind of wish this were released at a time when I were more motivated to translate stuff (stupid Portal 2). At least it looks like all the major stuff outside of the dialog has been taken care of. I'll just go over some song titles and make sure they're right before they solidify.
I wasn't sure what was going on with the stage 2 boss at first but it's a pretty neat idea.
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And that is ZUN's challenge for all of us. In her dialog and omake, Kogasa wanted you to beat her because she could never beat Yoshika because of the time out.
After trying 10D, it will be a feat if someone can actually capture the last spell card of Yoshika.
Ugh, Yoshika's (the jiang-shi) danmaku clusters are so damn thick. >_< I timed out on her first card because I couldn't find a way around it.
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Yea... With Reimu it's stupid hard she just constantly recovers all the damage you just did.
I think I ended up timing out her first and last. :(
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I don't know why, but i just laugh really hard when I look at this.
http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=602352
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So this week in "Fashion with Marisa" we have a pink bow on her hat and a red string around her neck :V
lol in the pause menu instead of Yes Yes Yes it says Yes Yes Y
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I think I ended up timing out her first and last. :(
Her first keeps doing it to me too; although I have captured it twice. (Once with Sanae, of all people.)
However I've only timed out Yoshika's last card once, and that was because I derped and lost a life. Every other time, I've caught it no problem.
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Her first keeps doing it to me too; although I have captured it twice. (Once with Sanae, of all people.)
However I've only timed out Yoshika's last card once, and that was because I derped and lost a life. Every other time, I've caught it no problem.
I've been able to capture some of them using Youmu. She's slow and gives you plenty of opportunities to sit right under her and slash away at her. On a note unrelated to capturing cards, Youmu's bomb is pretty powerful.
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Okay, finally got a chance to play this extensively. I was a bit disappointed when I tried normal, because wow that was easier than EoSD easy. Then I punched it up to lunatic and felt much better. It's still a lot easier than the last two games, but perhaps that's a good thing after all. I love UFO's difficulty, but I'm not sure I could handle something on that level or even above again. The bosses still have fun patterns, and really my only complaint is how difficult it is to gain lives. Maybe that's ZUN's way of balancing it out?
Out of the four shot types, I think I like Sanae's the best. Reimu's feels somewhat...less awesome than normal, mainly because its unfocused shot is homing. Sanae's is like all STAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR! /o/
Overall, I like it. Was worth the wait today.
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What is Kyouko supposed to be?
Kyouko is a yamabiko. This picture explains what that is. (http://danbooru.donmai.us/data/c6d4f142bd69e701ed4fb0a83dc368fc.jpg)
They're mountain dwelling creatures that repeat what you say, or in other words, an echo. Which is why she can reflect sound waves and such.
So basically pure awesome.
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lol in the pause menu instead of Yes Yes Yes it says Yes Yes Y
IIRC it has been like that for a while...GFW, I think?
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I've been able to capture Yoshika's spellcards on Normal with Sanae. On Hard though, I still managed to capture her first card once, but I couldn't get used to her curvy lasers and the last card single handedly caused two continues
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Wiki editors drool, I... am very fast at translating. (http://vgboy.dabomstew.com/other/TenDesires.txt)
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Wiki editors drool, I... am very fast at translating. (http://vgboy.dabomstew.com/other/TenDesires.txt)
Holy crap.
Also:
Sanae: Er...
Kyouko: What?
Sanae: Could it be you're a youkai?
Kyouko: Wha?
Sanae: Oh, thank goodness. I was worried I was fighting a monk.
Sanae is still a racist.
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Wiki editors drool, I... am very fast at translating. (http://vgboy.dabomstew.com/other/TenDesires.txt)
:getdown:
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Can't wait for full version and english translation! Also secretly hoping that the SDM cast will appear...somewhere...
I have to say the difficulty dropped considerably from UFO. Still having a lot of fun, but I hope ZUN will impress us with something amazing in extra stage.
Wow that was a fast translation!
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Yoshika: NOOOOOooooo! I'm dyiiiiing!
Youmu: Yes, yes, we get it, you're dying.
Youmu: A Kyonshi with a charm stuck on her head... That must mean there's a master controlling you.
Yoshika: Oh, really?
Youmu: Of course, you also reeked of the possibility of such earlier...
Yoshika: Huh? I stink? But I take such good care of my skin!
Youmu: (Sigh, zombie jokes...)
youmuistiredofyourbullshit.jpg
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Kyouko and Miyako...
oh god ZUN has been watching Madoka and Hidamari
Yoshika (http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=character&charid=114) Miyako actually made me think of Strike Witches (http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=anime&aid=5970) first.
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Wiki editors drool, I... am very fast at translating. (http://vgboy.dabomstew.com/other/TenDesires.txt)
We only need somebody to transcribe the original japanese script now.
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youmuistiredofyourbullshit.jpg
The fact that it's coming from Youmu made it all the more funnier; she's so used to seeing the dead after all.
Plus, Yuyuko probably seems the type to rattle on a list of these sort of jokes. ^^
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Yuyuko: Hm, not bad at all. You can go ahead.
Youmu: (Yeah, but I was just bored...)
Yuyuko: Something on your mind?
Youmu: So what do you think of these divine spirits, Lady Yuyuko?
Yuyuko: I wager there'll be some dangerous fellow making a return.
Yuyuko: I doubt there's any secrets or anything behind the temple graveyard...
Youmu: Hm?
Youmu: A-Anyway, I'll be off.
Yuyuko: Bring me back a souvenir!
Well... some dangerous fellow making a RETURN... in a cemetery...
Well, atleast it seems that the one behind everything is someone we know. And... there are spirits everywhere. I have to think about a certain person...
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Miyako reminds me alot of Munak from Ragnarok Online with her amulet? Could this be some sort of hybrid zombie? o.0
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So Kyouko DOES work at the Myouren temple. Interesting.
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So Kyouko is a part of Myouren temple, huh?
Meiling, Koakuma, Patchouli, Sakuya, Remilia, Flandre, compared to...
Nazrin, Ichirin, Murasa, Shou, Byakuren, Nue, and now Kyouko. Yup, Byakuren's faction is now officially the biggest!
Yoshika: Wait, does that mean there'll be one of those dreadful wars of faith... again?!
Hoo boy. Fourth shrine incoming?
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We only need somebody to transcribe the original japanese script now.
After doing Sanae's scenario by actually playing through, I found this helpful thread. (http://jbbs.livedoor.jp/bbs/read.cgi/computer/41116/1302891544/) The dialogue posts should be pretty easy to pick out.
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And apparently Yoshika is yet another baka to add. Man, ZUN likes his idiots.
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Inb4Mima
Also, Youmu makes the game interesting. I swear her charge slash takes a chunk out of boss health xD
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Wiki editors drool, I... am very fast at translating. (http://vgboy.dabomstew.com/other/TenDesires.txt)
Whoa shit you're awesome.
Reimu: Alright, then, gonna have to beat the leader of the ghosts!
Yuyuko: Oh, do we have visitors?
Yuyuko: Hold on a moment, I'm still preparing tea.
Reimu: Oh, you shouldn't have.
Reimu: Would you tell me what the big idea is letting these spirits get so riled up?
Yuyuko: Mm? What's the big idea, indeed?
Reimu: You need to keep an eye on them! I mean, they're just ghastly.
Yuyuko: Right, I don't know exactly what's going on...
Yuyuko: But if you're going to look into spirits, you'll have to beat me first!
Oh Reimu and Yuyuko, never stop being Reimu and Yuyuko <3
I don't know why, but i just laugh really hard when I look at this.
http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=602352
No joke guys, when/if you get the demo of the game... Hit Game Start and instead of taking you to Reimu as the first character option, it takes you to Sanae instead.
No it doesn't? It didn't here lol. I the Reimu fanboy would be less giddy if it had.
Anyway know when something's so cool you can't stop screaming like a little girl? Yeah, that's me, the last 20 minutes playing this thing.
It's so damn good. And I love this new way ZUN is approaching music.
Also KOGASAAAAAA
Reimu: Hm? Ah, yes, I believe you're...
Kogasa: You finally came!
Kogasa: I saw this girl I've never seen before keeping watch.
Kogasa: But as much as I hit her, she always made me time out...
Kogasa: So hey, do something about her! Pleeease!
Reimu: (A youkai making a request of a youkai exterminator...?)
Reimu: Gotcha. And I'll beat you up, too!
Reimu never ever change <3<3<3<3~
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Seems Stage Practice isn't available yet. Guess I'll have to wait until the full version to practice any sort of full-game-style scoring path. But since Stage 1 is easily accessible, I spent a bit of time on it tonight. The score on my best attempt was only a bit higher than during my perfect run, most likely because my scoring path involves Trance Mode on one Spellcard. However, I significantly improved my base Point value to almost 35,000 (http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/6859/tendesirestrialstage1sc.jpg). And we all know that improving that value in the long-term is what really matters. If anything, this scoring system is intriguing - obviously plays the high-risk-high-reward thing straight, but I get the feeling that finding ways to ease spirit collection will be quite doable.
Wiki editors drool, I... am very fast at translating. (http://vgboy.dabomstew.com/other/TenDesires.txt)
Oh God Youmu's dialogue. Why the hell doesn't ZUN have her solve more incidents? Her conversations are very good stuff.
Also Yoshika is the new baka on the block. Um, yay? :wat:
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And I love this new way ZUN is approaching music.
Indeed it is brilliant and I love his experimenting with rhythms and on-the-fly sound alteration with Trance mode.
MIDI versions would be nice, though, for those of us itching to remix without transcoding every single note. Then again, PoFV full version and onwards have established that trend, so....
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After doing Sanae's scenario by actually playing through, I found this helpful thread. (http://jbbs.livedoor.jp/bbs/read.cgi/computer/41116/1302891544/) The dialogue posts should be pretty easy to pick out.
I need to go sleep, so I will add the translations to the wiki tomorrow morning if nobody else does it first.
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Play Hard or Lunatic, preferably Lunatic. Great spellcard unlike the one it seems to be based off of.
Which fails cause we were all expecting this.
Oh. That's good then.
I was, then forgot about it, then got surprised by her. :V
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What is this "spellcard which it is based off" you mean?
Over the Rainbow?
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After doing Sanae's scenario by actually playing through, I found this helpful thread. (http://jbbs.livedoor.jp/bbs/read.cgi/computer/41116/1302891544/) The dialogue posts should be pretty easy to pick out.
I noticed that some of the posts had a new yukkuri. I think it's supposed to be Kyouko.
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,r::－::７? ｀ヽ-::.､
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彡:::::::::::;ノ iﾍ、 i ',:::::;ﾐ
｀ﾞY厂 人__,.ﾘﾉ }､ノ､__,ﾊ j??
,.ノ , ' （ (ﾋ_] ﾋ_ﾝ､ﾚﾊﾉ
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,{ ,.イ,ノ ハ ヽ _ﾝ 人 ｀ヽ
ﾞY?ﾞﾍ_,.ｲルﾍ＞,､ _____ ,.イ｀ヽｒイノ
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I noticed that some of the posts had a new yukkuri. I think it's supposed to be Kyouko.
<snip>
The other one is Yoshika, but the text alignment looked screwed up over here :< (telltale: her amulet isn't straight)
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I noticed that some of the posts had a new yukkuri. I think it's supposed to be Kyouko.
<yukkuri>
Sure looks like her, all right.
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Barely got a chance to play it. I don't know if I'm the only one but I find Youmu to be incredibly annoying... I'd rather use Sanae~
I almost cried tears of joy when I saw Yuyuko as the first stage boss. Secretly, I was hoping it was going to be Yukari... I really like the second stage boss and her unique gimmick. Kogasa wasn't a big surprise, to be honest. Ever since ZUN announced TD, I have been shouting everywhere that she would be making a return :P.
Third stage boss is like the new Orin or something. Both are equally annoying. ;-;
Reimu: Hm? Ah, yes, I believe you're...
Kogasa: You finally came!
Kogasa: I saw this girl I've never seen before keeping watch.
Kogasa: But as much as I hit her, she always made me time out...
Kogasa: So hey, do something about her! Pleeease!
Reimu: (A youkai making a request of a youkai exterminator...?)
Reimu: Gotcha. And I'll beat you up, too!
-Kogasa breaking the fourth wall
-Hint Hint. She has the potential to become a playable character.
Edit:
I forgot to mention that I would actually love to see Mima come back. I don't know a single thing about her and I hate most Mima-fanboys, yet if she were to make a comeback it would probably make everything more exciting. Just saying.~
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I just realized this game has Yuyuko and a character WITH THE POWER TO EAT ANYTHING
HEAVEN OR HELL
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I just realized this game has Yuyuko and a character WITH THE POWER TO EAT ANYTHING
HEAVEN OR HELL
inb4 Yoshika goes after Yuyuko and Youmu's Myon since she eats spirits :V
:V :V oh damn that'll be so amusing.
Also, I looked at Yoshika's artwork and
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/File:Th13Yoshika.png
OH GOD THOSE HANDS, THEY'VE NEVER BEEN SO PERFECT OMG ZUN HOLY HELL DID YOU GO TO HAND-DRAWING SCHOOL?
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Yoshiko having difficulty with moving would make it difficult to dodge danmaku well, wouldn't it?
Also, I wonder if Yoshikkuri eats other yukkuris. Which would disturbing...
eeeedit:
inb4 Yoshika goes after Yuyuko and Youmu's Myon since she eats spirits :V
:V :V oh damn that'll be so amusing.
Also, I looked at Yoshika's artwork and
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/File:Th13Yoshika.png (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/File:Th13Yoshika.png)
OH GOD THOSE HANDS, THEY'VE NEVER BEEN SO PERFECT OMG ZUN HOLY HELL DID YOU GO TO HAND-DRAWING SCHOOL?
I KNEW SOMETHING LOOKED WEIRD
BUT HOLY SHIT THAT IS AWESOME
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And that is ZUN's challenge for all of us. In her dialog and omake, Kogasa wanted you to beat her because she could never beat Yoshika because of the time out.
After trying 10D, it will be a feat if someone can actually capture the last spell card of Yoshika.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_g8DwglPAA
you have to read ahead on the red waves, and get ready to jump into the ring of fire and eat the spirits before she does.
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When I first saw Yoshika I honestly thought it was Aya being a fucking retard with a police outfit.
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OH GOD THOSE HANDS, THEY'VE NEVER BEEN SO PERFECT OMG ZUN HOLY HELL DID YOU GO TO HAND-DRAWING SCHOOL?
Welcome to 2009 (?).
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I noticed that some of the posts had a new yukkuri. I think it's supposed to be Kyouko.
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,.ノ , ' （ (ﾋ_] ﾋ_ﾝ､ﾚﾊﾉ
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ﾞY?ﾞﾍ_,.ｲルﾍ＞,､ _____ ,.イ｀ヽｒイノ
I think this is the first time yukkuri ASCII art made me laugh out loud.
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Yoshi's hat reminds me of Meiling's. Which is funny since Meiling is the only character to mention a jiang-shi.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_g8DwglPAA
you have to read ahead on the red waves, and get ready to jump into the ring of fire and eat the spirits before she does.
Also, on hard, those lasers split and curve so you gotta REALLY get in (Actually, that's good for survival too, so you get past the lasers before they start to OH GOD CURVING LASERS AGAIN ARRGHGHGHGH)
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Okay, so I decided to break my usual tradition of ignoring the demo for a few weeks (and then playing it religiously, especially once the full game comes out), and my first impressions are... not that great, to be honest. For some reason, Youmu's bomb doesn't work at all, and all the bugs throughout leave a sour taste in my mouth. This adds to the usual frustration of not being able to figure out how in the hell everything is supposed to work (especially when I die-- still have no idea what the fuck is going on).
After I figure it out, though, I'll probably adore it, so it's no big deal.
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When I first saw Yoshika I honestly thought it was Aya being a fucking retard with a police outfit.
I'm glad I'm not alone. When she popped up she didn't strike me as a new character at first. :derp:
Also Kogasa has always played with the fourth wall, I don't think that means much :V
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Bugs?
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ZUN's new Yuyuko art is really really nice.
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Bugs?
Well, for me, Youmu's bomb just refuses to work. And then I managed to confirm for myself that if you linger on the stage 2 boss' pre-fight dialogue, you can bring down the timer on her first non-spell attack and even skip it entirely. It seems uncharacteristically unpolished for ZUN.
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As one who entered the Touhou fandom right around the time of UFO's release, this is really my first time anticipating a new game.
Firstly, my conclusion: it sucks.
This makes me extremely uncomfortable, given that I can't tell whether it actually genuinely truly sucks, or whether I'm experiencing a kneejerk "It's different, therefore horrible" reaction. However, after mulling it over a while, I've been able to articulate several clear points that capture my displeasure, and in so doing, appreciate the elements that are in fact quite promising.
First point: Spirits. Where do they spawn? Why, above the PoC, naturally. Do they move? Hell no. So, go up and get 'em! *enemy spawns on top of me* WtH, ZUN? That's just mean! They have got to be easier to collect. Don't care if they drift slowly downscreen, or have something similar to SA's graze meter or whatever, but dammit, do something with them! At least UFOs came down to you, instead of making you chase them. (o wait :V)
Second point: Yuyuko. Why, ZUN, why do you do this? Touhou is Touhou because it has a zillion and one new characters in every game! Recycling is something you don't do! That said, I did just about have an orgasm when I tried hard and Yuyu pulled her fan out, so meh. Kogasa doesn't seem to bother me as much, especially when you consider my natural prejudice against stage 2 bosses; that may just because I was already raged out by the time I reached her, though.
Third point: The lifebarscircles. They were okay in GFW 'cuz once you launched your freeze, you had time to make a sandwich, read a newspaper, check the boss's life, whatever, and then back to dodging. Here? If I have half a second between waves, it's much, much easier to flick my eyes at the top of the screen than it is to locate the boss and track the circle looking for the end of the line. And that's if it isn't being blocked by bullets.
And that's my piece. Now for some more level-headed commentary:
Characters. Kyouko is cute enough to overcome my stage-2 bias, and her gimmick is pretty neat, but I feel like there's a lot of wasted potential in it. Especially her Resonance spellcard. The waves are surprisingly weak, given that most of the bullets get recycled in the next box, and you get a year-long break in between them. Maybe something to work on in Danmakufu, eh?
Yoshika is... forgettable. However, I do like the idea of healing yourself during spellcards; figuring out how to get in close and collect those spirits as she's drawing them in is probably the most fun part of the demo for me. I dearly hope that later bosses in the game have similar spellcards, but if it happens to be Yoshika's gimmick in particular, then, well, good on her.
Shottypes. Homing!Reimu sucks as usual, Marisa and Sanae feel pretty solid. Youmu is the obligatory "awkward focus" type which ZUN seems fond of, but is pretty strong to compen-HOLY SHIT, IT'S MOF MARI-A ALL OVER AGAIN! Overall, a decent selection (if disappointingly small).
Music. I'm no afficianado in this regard, but it seems like it's expanding on the elements of UFO's score that I didn't like. Maybe the instrumentation or something, I don't even know. I'll wait for the remixes before passing judgment.
All in all, it's quite unpolished (Have all his demos been like this?), but it's got some potential. Just as long as he doesn't bring back any more old characters. ('cept maybe Mim-*shot*
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Well, for me, Youmu's bomb just refuses to work. And then I managed to confirm for myself that if you linger on the stage 2 boss' pre-fight dialogue, you can bring down the timer on her first non-spell attack and even skip it entirely. It seems uncharacteristically unpolished for ZUN.
Youmu's bomb has been working fine for me, but I've been seeing other people bring up issues with Stage 3 replays crashing, as one example. One of those things where he has yet to fine tune it for most systems.
Third point: The lifebarscircles. They were okay in GFW 'cuz once you launched your freeze, you had time to make a sandwich, read a newspaper, check the boss's life, whatever, and then back to dodging. Here? If I have half a second between waves, it's much, much easier to flick my eyes at the top of the screen than it is to locate the boss and track the circle looking for the end of the line. And that's if it isn't being blocked by bullets.
The spirits at least aren't flying around through a cloud of bullets that you have to chase in motion, I can see the minor complaint about bringing Yuyuko back, but this seems weird to me. Do you mean to say it takes you less time to move your eyes between your sprite and the top of the screen than your sprite and the boss? Seems the opposite would be the case, but to each their own, I guess.
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Recycling is something you don't do!
I find it funny, despite being somewhat annoying, whenever someone says this.
Lolwut every game recycles a few characters and introduces a few others. It's nothing new, it's the way it's always been.
And I found the circle lifebar great. No need to search for the top of the screen and lose the enemy's position anymore woo!
On the spirits, it seems to me that you're just complaining that the game is hard. Which is funny, because everyone found it easy. Even me, and I suck. :s
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It's a demo, it's not supposed to be super-polished.
Don't write off the game until you have a better understanding of the mechanics, although if it turns out to be a "suicide to score/get stuff" game, that might turn off a few people anyway.
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All in all, it's quite unpolished (Have all his demos been like this?), but it's got some potential.
The bugs were there when you looked. Most recent games... SA demo had you being able to completely disappear from the screen by hiding in either one of the bottom corners and Yuugi's final card being nightmarish, and UFO demo had.... actually, I don't remember what the UFO demo had (except for Lunatic players whining about how it was too hard or something). PCB demo, on the other hand, I recall as being pretty nice.
Argh, that bug where you can't speed up dialogue seems to have hit me in full force. ;w;
Youmu's bomb has been working fine for me, but I've been seeing other people bring up issues with Stage 3 replays crashing, as one example. One of those things where he has yet to fine tune it for most systems.
And it's annoying, too, since I saw you post that Youmu's bomb is actually pretty neat. Also, it seems that Reimu's bomb isn't working for me either. So far, the only one whose bomb has worked for me is Sanae's, and I haven't tried Marisa's yet, since I'm dragging my heels through Reimu's dialogue first.
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Do you mean to say it takes you less time to move your eyes between your sprite and the top of the screen than your sprite and the boss? Seems the opposite would be the case, but to each their own, I guess.
Yes. The distance factor isn't an issue, and the bar at the top of the screen doesn't move around, so I don't have to spend time locating it.
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I've only played the demo with Reimu so far, I'll probably try the other characters as I get time later on in the month. I'm kind of disappointed that there's only one shot type per character, but since we're up to four characters something had to go.
I haven't experienced any of the bugs so far, but the fact they seem so plentiful in this release suggest that ZUN might have rushed the development on this.
I like the spirit system so far; it feels like it's taken the concept of collecting UFOs and refined it to flow more naturally with the rest of the gameplay. Not sure what to make of the "death-and-resurrection" phase; it's a neat concept, but it takes a lot of getting used to.
I don't mind the reuse of Yuyuko; it fits in with the plot and only introducing two new characters helps to ratchet up the tension for who's going to appear in the full game. Kogasa was... unexpected but welcome; I think she's a good source of metahumor for the series, although she should probably get a break for a while before she becomes overused.
Hopefully all the bugs get ironed out for the full release, this has a lot of potential.
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The bugs were there when you looked. Most recent games... SA demo had you being able to completely disappear from the screen by hiding in either one of the bottom corners and Yuugi's final card being nightmarish, and UFO demo had.... actually, I don't remember what the UFO demo had (except for Lunatic players whining about how it was too hard or something). PCB demo, on the other hand, I recall as being pretty nice.
Actually, the UFO demo was virtually unchanged; people were just whining. :V And the PCB demo was really, uh, weird. The entire system changed from demo to full release. I'd say that one was much less polished than this game.
Argh, that bug where you can't speed up dialogue seems to have hit me in full force. ;w;
And it's annoying, too, since I saw you post that Youmu's bomb is actually pretty neat. Also, it seems that Reimu's bomb isn't working for me either. So far, the only one whose bomb has worked for me is Sanae's, and I haven't tried Marisa's yet, since I'm dragging my heels through Reimu's dialogue first.
Ah, as for that, you have to exit and reopen the game and the bombs will be fixed. Annoying, but not hard to fix.
As for my feelings, I accidentally posted them in that dyna-Marisa thread by accident. :fail: Overall, I like it, though I can't say I'm thrilled with death bombs being canceled in favor of the death trances. Makes me a lot more jumpy with my bombs.
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Kogasa was... unexpected
keikaku doori
Oh yeah, and don't forget we still have more characters to show up, guys.
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And the PCB demo was really, uh, weird. The entire system changed from demo to full release. I'd say that one was much less polished than this game.
You must have played a pretty different demo than I did! BV Then again, I wasn't caring too much about things like the cherry system, so I probably just overlooked it. It certainly wasn't as buggy as shit as this demo is, though.
Ah, as for that, you have to exit and reopen the game and the bombs will be fixed. Annoying, but not hard to fix.
What? Agh. Well, might as well do just that. Then I might stop dying so much. :V
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You must have played a pretty different demo than I did! BV
I'm pretty sure PCB actually had two demos or something like that, that's why the copyright says 2002-2003 on the title
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Agh these new lifebars are so freaking annoying. They'll take some getting used to. I'm so used to just looking to the top of the screen to an unmoving lifebar as opposed to having to follow a boss around on screen.
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Uh, I thought you were supposed to follow the boss anyway because you're supposed to be shooting it to begin with :V
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I actually usually end up focusing on my hitbox instead. :<
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I can't find a single thing to complain about for this game, actually.
Sure, it's a bit buggy, but that's the demo, not the game itself. I've never had this much fun playing Touhou~
(And I'm pretty sure that's not "ooh new game" bias, since I was around for UFO and SA's demos too... :derp: )
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To people who are whining about the spirits not moving and hard to collect - DON'T COLLECT THEM (if doing so would put you in danger, anyways). I agree that they're really annoying to get sometimes, but remember that this ain't UFO, most of the time it's just blue and gray spirits which aren't big deal to miss if you're just trying to 1cc (Stage 3 is the exception, not the norm). Aside from after spell cards (Where bosses don't fire for a while anyways, giving you time to collect them), you only see red/green spirits in very specific spots, and when you see them it's time for a Trance (invincibility) anyways to double their value.
So yeah.
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I actually usually end up focusing on my hitbox instead. :<
That too, but you can't do that while looking at the life bar anyway, can you :V
So why not make things convenient and allow us to use that glimpse moment to look at the boss *and* the life bar at the same time?
e: goddammit missed a page
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I think what annoys me most about the spirits is that they don't float downward, so you have to put yourself at constant risk to grab them by going up to where they are. If they floated downward even a little, that would be pretty sweet.
but ultimately I think it's stupid to complain about something like this, because ZUN certainly isn't going to listen to this, so I see no real point in wishing for things to change from the demo to the full game.
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The demo I've played of PCB was extremely different from the final. It had only MIDI, all the character sprites were different (which means it probably is the same one we've played), and the danmaku, while mostly the same in design, was very...rigid somehow. Like the game was just a rough prototype of the final. The cherry system, to put it simply, didn't even make supernatural borders.
Then there was the demo before that, which doesn't seem to be anywhere on the Internet. According to the wiki it had many spell cards that were removed entirely from the final. BV
I do agree that this demo is pretty buggy. To be fair to ZUN, with the earthquake situation and him needing to conserve power he probably hasn't had much time to bug test it even with the extended time.
EDIT: @the spirit situation, I think that risk was intentional. It seems that ZUN's idea behind this game was to tone down the difficulty and put the difficulty in scoring. My only complaint with the system is that it's too difficult to gain extends. Since ZUN did add the life fragment drop at the end of bosses in UFO between demoes, maybe this will be addressed in the final.
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I've been refreshing Zun's page for so long.. thank god lol.
It seems really hard to gain lives in that game though.. you cant miss anything and you get like 2 more lives over 2 stages.. what?
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Since ZUN did add the life fragment drop at the end of bosses in UFO between demoes, maybe this will be addressed in the final.
He also changed the required amount of life pieces for a full life from three to four.
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I honestly only have a single problem with the demo.
Deathbombing. I fucking hate how if you have the bar thing filled up and you get shot, you're destined to die.... even though you had properly deathbombed. This little this is probably why I'm not enjoying this game too much.
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A friend of mine who had absolutely no shooter experience (and is a klutz in general) managed to do better than me on her absolute first easy clear than my first try at easy did, by completely not knowing what the divine spirits were (she didn't even pay any attention to them) and just actively staying out of danger (while I actively sought after them and got rammed by fairies and stuff).
See? Don't complain about the spirits. Just ignore them. Most of them aren't essential anyways.
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As for my feelings, I accidentally posted them in that dyna-Marisa thread by accident. :fail:
Admin powers put to good use. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9000.msg605556.html#msg605556)
See? Don't complain about the spirits. Just ignore them. Most of them aren't essential anyways.
Except the bomb and life ones, I guess.
I'm kind of indifferent towards this. The new bosses are kind of forgettable to me, and (I know this is heresy) the music doesn't leave a terribly good impression on me. Will still look forward to the full version for the characters, at least. Looking forward to a way of getting extends that doesn't involve great risk, as well.
Also looking forward to bofh hacking the music.dat to loop Thriller for all of stage 3
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10D is clearly meant to be a game that rewards aggressive play, since the patterns are so sparse and dying gives you a chance to rack up some score. :V
Really, I don't think any touhou game gives you as much freedom of movement as 10D does.
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10D is clearly meant to be a game that rewards aggressive play, since the patterns are so sparse and dying gives you a chance to rack up some score. :V
Really, I don't think any touhou game gives you as much freedom of movement as 10D does.
Except it gives out less extends than CtC. Unless I'm missing something. I was never able to get over 2 extends no matter what I try (the best record I had was 1 extends plus 13/15 towards the second one).
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Admin powers put to good use. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9000.msg605556.html#msg605556)
Also looking forward to bofh hacking the music.dat to loop Thriller for all of stage 3
It would've worked if there were more zombie enemies, and if at least one of the playable characters took off her hat and screamed "WOOO!".
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Really, I don't think any touhou game gives you as much freedom of movement as 10D does.
I know eh, takes twenty minutes fo the fairies to summon up the courage to throw something at you. And when they finally do it's just some random shit instead of a beautiful pattern.
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Could it be on purpose, I mean normal mode so far is pretty easy. I'm not the best player and I managed to catch every card on normal (which never happened in the demo for me )
Although 10 is pretty harsh I guess.
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Admin powers put to good use. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9000.msg605556.html#msg605556)
Many thanks cool admin guy girl.
I'm kind of indifferent towards this. The new bosses are kind of forgettable to me, and (I know this is heresy) the music doesn't leave a terribly good impression on me. Will still look forward to the full version for the characters, at least. Looking forward to a way of getting extends that doesn't involve great risk, as well.
That's what you say every game, at least for the characters ;3
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10D is clearly meant to be a game that rewards aggressive play, since the patterns are so sparse and dying gives you a chance to rack up some score. :V
Really, I don't think any touhou game gives you as much freedom of movement as 10D does.
...This is probably why I like this game so much. People kept wondering why I'd zip around unfocused in my GFW replays...
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I am enjoying the demo very much. Thanks for the birthday present, ZUN!
Anyway, I was really surprised at the return of Yuyuko and Kogasa. It leaves me to believe that others might make a return as well. I still think that if Mima were to show up, it would be as an EX boss. The only reason I'd like Mima to return is because I'd like ZUN to unite the two halves of his series a bit more. I don't like how the PC98 games are pretty much forgotten about. Ah, well.
Ok so 10D. Yes, it is incredibly easier than other titles, and that's fine. The "fused" shot types are interesting and are actually pretty fun. I don't really care for the Trance automatically kicking in when you die, though. Probably the biggest gripe I'd have is the sound effect for collecting the spirits. It makes me think a pinball machine is drowning out the music. I'm definitely enjoying the music.
Overall, pretty fun. I'm enjoying what I see, and I look forward to the finished product this fall. I'm going to go play some more.
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...This is probably why I like this game so much. People kept wondering why I'd zip around unfocused in my GFW replays...
Hell yes I love playing this game like a maniac, more than halfway up the screen at all times :V
Need to move up to Hard for it to be an actual challenge though. Really, I can't stress how easy it is.
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Need to move up to Hard for it to be an actual challenge though. Really, I can't stress how easy it is.
Are you insane? I can't get through stage 2 normal without dying at least twice. :fail:
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I found it easier too, as in I cleared it 1cc on my second try on normal.
This has never happened. Ever.
I like it :3
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Of course we do have to consider that there are 3 more levels after that . and it'll be quite painful if you go in with 2 lives 0 bombs . Maybe it is the case of "Extra lives aren't fully in yet."
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Okay. Multiple playthroughs done.
I agree with everyone saying the game is easier. I actually had fun playing on Hard, and I 1cc Normal with Marisa. Given my usual lack of skill that's pretty different. I imagine ZUN doesn't have as many extra lives in for the demo (which makes some sense)
Not hyped for the characters, but I always take time to warm to them. Stage music is kinda eh for me but not bad. I might warm to a song or two as well. And there are 4 more stages and bosses to go.
Oh, I also like how all the characters are playable. Youmu's kinda odd (if really awesome), and Reimu is Easy Mode Hax, but there's no Marisa B to make my "get all the endings" play throughs utter pain.
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I 1cc'd on my first try on normal (which was my first try at the game). I've never done that. I usually get whacked somewhere between stages 2 and 3 on my first try. Not complaining, though. :3
I don't know why people are upset over the spirits not moving and staying where they are spawned. If you don't want to run into the next fairy, then get a feel for the patterns they appear in. It takes a few tries to feel the stage pattern out; it's not going to happen on the first run.
Oh, I have ask, but am I the only one who feels like ZUN 'shopped Kogasa's head to make Kyouko? Seriously, look at the two side by side and tell me if the thought doesn't pop up. Oh, and awesome work making Yoshika the new Meiling; both are bad guards, Yoshika apparently likes sleeping, and the hats with stars. I had to see Yoshika's picture outside the game to realize it, though.
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I have no idea where everyone is coming from, this game seems brutally difficult :fail:
I finally managed a 1cc with Sanae, with two lives to spare and no bombs. Also, I took advantage of Trance mode to hell and back to do it.
Speaking of Trance mode
Also, the warping on Reimu's foot as she crosses to the red zone gives me Eversion vibes.
Yep, pressing a button to enter another world where everything looks different. I totally called it.
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Vid of the whole game on normal for those who want to see it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhEW4V1Fqxc
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I...
Oh, I have ask, but am I the only one who feels like ZUN 'shopped Kogasa's head to make Kyouko? Seriously, look at the two side by side and tell me if the thought doesn't pop up. Oh, and awesome work making Yoshika the new Meiling; both are bad guards, Yoshika apparently likes sleeping, and the hats with stars. I had to see Yoshika's picture outside the game to realize it, though.
I though that too...Now we can expect new manga about Kyouko moving to SDM to work as a substitute for Meiling.
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...So, I just figured out you could enter trance mode without dying. I 1cc'd the demo on lunatic without ever knowing this.
I don't know if I should feel cool or really stupid. :fail:
On another note, I discovered another delicious bug. I saved a replay to study a small thing I did (thought I deathbombed when I had a bar in the trance gauge, but I was mistaken), and the replay didn't play back my inputs. Until I quit the game, I essentially had a stage practice. :3
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...So, I just figured out you could enter trance mode without dying.
How
Enlighten the stupid noob
I didn't know it either :fail:
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Just played it with Reimu. I like this. :3
And now Yuyuko is a failure. Gotta go play it with the others now.
How
Enlighten the stupid noob
I didn't know it either :fail:
Me too.
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How
Enlighten the stupid noob
I didn't know it either :fail:
You press C once your trance gauge is full. You're invincible and you don't die.
But geez, I've never had to press C before. :<
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Explaining Trance mode and C-button.
The 'Trance' Meter is a small skull image located at the left bottom corner of your game. This meter will fill up if you collect grey spirits. There are two ways this meter can be used: 1) By death or 2) When full, hitting C.
In both cases, you entire screen will turn fancy and flashy. Your girl will turn temporarily transparency, being in a trance. During this time, you have maximum power and are invulnerable to any damage. However, the meter will quickly deplete as the giant timer shows the remaining time.
Though there is a difference. If you die, your girl will be forced into trance and anything within the meter will deplete. The more it is filled, the more you will benefit. When the meter depleted, your character will go Pichuーn! and you will officially lose a life. On the other hand, to activate trance mode manually, you must fill the entire meter. You won't go Pichuーn at the end, as this is activated manually. | (http://i56.tinypic.com/140ztw2.png) |
It's been in the OP all the time, people :P
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Anyone know the specific special abilities each character has? like sanae has quicker gauge recovery?
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Awesome people! Thanks!
*Goes back to playing
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Soo... wait. Was that actually the Hakurei Shrine, or the Myouren Shrine? Now I've lost it...
*Edit: Yup, apparently it WAS Myouren Temple
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For everyone that says the game is easy. Go play the game for score, which means that you pick up every blue spirit, and graze bosses as much as possible (I would up with 53 mil on normal and I played it a bit safe on a few parts I normally didn't but would die)
for everyone that says the game is hard, go play through and sit down on the bottom 20% of the screen. you should see each others viewpoints.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Sanae on easy, and the game died on the last stage as the boss was exploding. Since I'm too lazy to go through all of these pages, has this happened to anyone else? :V
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Yes, quite a lot of people, actually. I have seen it happen with all characters.. Except Youmu. I don't really know why.
Also, Yoshika mentioned something to Youmu about 'dreadful wars of faith'... Does that mean what I think it means?
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I'm not sure that I like or understand the scoring system. The main gimmick just doesn't feel engaging enough. All I'm finding myself doing is point-blanking enemies and collecting spirits just so I can enter the Spiritual Realm, maybe once per stage, since it takes forever to fill all three bars up. Then once I do enter it, I'm back out in the blink of an eye. So far I've found it most profitable to hit the Trance button and unload all three bars while planted on top of a boss in order to jack up the point item value, but utilizing the main gimmick once per stage like that is pretty boring. I think I'd like it more if you could enter the Spiritual Realm for a fewer number of seconds as soon as you have one bar filled. I don't know; maybe I'm missing something.
I'm thinking that suiciding might play an important role since it puts you into the Spiritual Realm regardless of how many bars you have filled, but given that it takes more and more red spirits to get each subsequent extend, it's probably not possible to do it frequently.
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Okay, so I played Normal now (usually I'm Easy Modo player) and yeah, when actually using the bottom half of the screen it's very manageable (didn't even notice how much I moved around at the top to get spirits when I tried it yesterday). 1cc get. This might be the first game I can 1CC in Normal, at least when I don't go for spirits. \o/
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You know what I find funny?
That Sanae's unfocused shottype looks suspiciously like Iceman from Batsugun.
Not to mention that she imitated Miyamoto and whatshisface from Mahou Daisakusen in UFO.
...how long will it take people to make fanart of her obsessing over mid-ninties arcade shmups?
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The only bug I encountered disabled my bombs and didn't let me cycle through dialogue. This was on a second playthrough after I had already cleared it. It made me think Sanae didn't have a bomb attack.
Exited and restarted the game to get everything back to normal.
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Eeh, I find Sanae's shottype more like MarisaB from UFO imo, and Youmu's MarisaC from MoF. Marisa herself is laser Marisa/Marisa A in UFO and Reimu.. I don't really know.
Also, part 2 of my failthrough with Youmu! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxmrkddW6os (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxmrkddW6os)
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There's a lot of milking between boss attacks or using a bomb to refill your gauge,
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A girl named Miyako... with the power to eat anything. Am I the only one thinking of hidamari!?
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The music. Why is it so ...bassy? But hell, it's good.
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The 'press c with full gauge' thing sounds suspiciously like a hyper from other danmaku games.
Small spirits are UFO stand ins.
Looking at Miyako, sounds like Mystia's in deep trouble. (WINNER EATS ALL)
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Having a demo and already 14 new music tracks pretty much made this game for me~~~<3
Yuyuko's Spirit World theme is so menacing, I love it.
Also, both of Yoshika's themes are funny as hell. I'm just a little disappointed her laughter isn't part of the track...
The game itself seems a lot easier to me than the last two games. Managed to 1cc Normal with Youmu on my first try and managed to 2cc Hard with Sanae on my first try as well. Died horribly on Lunatic Yuyuko with Reimu, though, so Hard it be, I guess.
I like the Spirit gimmick and hugging the bosses to farm a lot of them. Youmu's Charge attack is pretty fun and her MoF-Marisa-A shottype is pretty fun too. Sanae seems to be my favourite in this game, though. Her shot seems to just eat away on everything. Marisa does look stronger, but the spread of her laser on level 3 is kinda ... awkward for me (and I never played much with her anyway). Reimu's fun. Combining homing amulet with needles is a nice idea.
Just one thing I'm wondering... does deathbombing still exist? Auto-Spirit-World seems to make it nigh impossible.
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Having a demo and already 14 new music tracks pretty much made this game for me~~~<3
... What ?
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There's 7 normal tracks, and they change when you enter spirit mode. You can't actually listen to them in the Music Room, though.
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Buuut you can rip them!
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I just tried the demo, I think Zun did a great job. I'm pretty sure this will be my fave Touhou after EoSD and PCB.
Pros:
-Definitely seems prettier and more colourful, the graphics engine and background and whatnot that is, the danmaku so far is actually fairly unpretty unfortunately.
-The danmaku seems far more randomish, which may not be a good thing in itself, but, it's definitely a unique feel for a Touhou game.
-I don't fully understand the scoring system, but I'm pretty darn sure it's the best yet. I mean, you can play it safe and not worry about score, and it will be really easy, or you can fly up the top, graze stuff, collect dangerously located spirits, etc. Going for score should provide a good challenge, but yet, unlike many other Touhou games, you basically wont be forced to reset after just one non-death screwup or whatever (like in MoF, your score is forever gimped because you accidentally grabbed all the green starts before a big pause in enemies, resulting in a total faith crash).
I think score runners will get scores based on their current level of pressure and confidence rather then following a super uniform formula for each stage, THIS is why I think it's the best yet.
-Shot types all seem fun so far, nothing seems gimp or op, I haven't tried Sanae yet though. Youmu's sword seems pretty op for trash though, but I think it's made even by being harder to use on bosses (though still viable when you pull it off right).
-Seeing some familiar faces is pretty cool. I always said that while I want to see some of my fave characters return, I want to keep faith in zun's ability to create new characters we'll love. But...Seeing them return is still really nice >=)
-Zombie girl's song theme sounds pretty unexceptional as it is, but I can tell that it should make one HELL of a badass song to remix metal-style >=)
-Both the 2nd and the 3rd boss have their own gimmicks, perhaps bosses 4+ will as well. Regardless of if you like gimmicks in your shooters or not, they add character to the character IMO >=), particularly good for fangame mechanics.
Cons:
-None of the songs really wow'd me so far. They all definately sound GFW-esque to me, which didn't really wow me either. It was particularly painful Seeing Yuyu, whose original track is nearly my all time fave (kaggy wins this one) before remixing is done, end up sounding meh... Though as a stage 1 boss, it's reasonable to make it fairly unepic or whatever I guess.
- None of the danmaku is really pretty, the games colours and whatnot are pretty, but the patterns dem bullets make basically looks like random shotguns all over in comparison to what Touhou normally offers.
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Damnit, and I thought someone managed to get the entire soundtrack (unlikely, but who knows, he probably has finished with the music) :fail:
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I'm completely happy with Yuyuko's appearance in the game. I'm not even heart broken at the lack of Border of Life's return. I mean, you're really only there for tea and
crumpets danmaku, so it's not like the fight i going to be a big deal or anything.
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So does the laughing sound effect only plays when you time out on one of Yoshika's spells? or does it plays regardless you capture it or not?
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Yoshika: Ahhh... at last...
Yoshika: The door to the great mausoleum will finally open...
Why do I get a vibe of the UFO plot here? As in, people are waiting for someone to open/unseal/break something and the heroines are going to do exactly this? :V
And omfg Yuyuko and Kogasa. ZUN must have thought the same things.
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I wonder if someone else from the UFO cast will appear later in the game. Because it seems kinda weird Byakuren wouldn't notice undead messing around in the backyard of her temple :V
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The music is amazing
Buuut you can rip them!
Do you also know how? :derp:
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Yes. The distance factor isn't an issue, and the bar at the top of the screen doesn't move around, so I don't have to spend time locating it.
Spend time locating it? It's a bright ring around the boss. Kinda hard to miss.
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There's 7 normal tracks, and they change when you enter spirit mode. You can't actually listen to them in the Music Room, though.
They change completely? IIRC I only heard filters and flangers...
=plays with louder volume=
e: Oh, I see, it does.
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Oh god Sanae I forgive you. Your shottype is just too damn awesome in this game.
I'm thoroughly happy with the game and really look forward to seeing the complete thing because this is awesome stuff. The music is fantastic as always ZUN's art skills are getting pretty good.
Also the game automatically wins because of ThrillerLoli.
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Here's the music ripper, for those interested. (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13801415/Touhou/musicroom.htm) Have as many loops as you want!
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I couldn't get any sprites, hence the ingame screenshots for the article =[ ZUN seems to have updated his file structure and BrightMoon and Anm2Png were not functional.
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Wiki editors drool, I... am very fast at translating. (http://vgboy.dabomstew.com/other/TenDesires.txt)
(http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/4311/dalekexterminatecampaig.th.png) (http://img28.imageshack.us/i/dalekexterminatecampaig.png/)
Stay classy, Reimu.
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There seems to be a glitch with Youmu. Whenever I go into focus / charged slash for her while holding down fire, I can't seem to move left. Moving right still works though. Anyone else having this?
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Random trivia:
Those are the character titles for the playable characters:
>五欲の巫女
> 強欲の魔法使い
>我欲の巫女
>死欲の半霊
Note how they all have the same second kanji? Trance explained that it means "Want/Desire". So Zun even put the Desires theme into the character titles. Clever~
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There seems to be a glitch with Youmu. Whenever I go into focus / charged slash for her while holding down fire, I can't seem to move left. Moving right still works though. Anyone else having this?
Probably a keyboard wiring issue, are you playing on a laptop?
I for example, can only hold down 2 butons on the left side (usually that's shift and Z). So every time I want to bomb I have to release shift first, which is not very good for deathbombing.
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Here's the music ripper, for those interested. (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13801415/Touhou/musicroom.htm) Have as many loops as you want!
Thanks! :*
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Has anyone else noticed that there seems to be a chaining system in here?
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Oh, and awesome work making Yoshika the new Meiling; both are bad guards.
Meiling isn't a bad guard (unless you mean fandomMeiling). Though something tells me Yoshi might end up being the new fandom buttmonkey.
Anyway, I beat the game with both Reimu and Youmu (I tried Sanae, but after playing with Youmu, she seems boring, so I quit for the night) without encountering any bugs or crashes like some of you did.
I will say that I love Yoshi's theme.
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I'm not enjoying it.
Almost everything seems to be a downgrade from UFO. Don't like the stages, as much of the music, gimmicks (seriously, these might be worse than UFO's gimmicks outside of King Kraken Strike's), score system, extend system.
Best thing is how he combined shottypes into one.
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Why do I get a vibe of the UFO plot here? As in, people are waiting for someone to open/unseal/break something and the heroines are going to do exactly this? :V
And omfg Yuyuko and Kogasa. ZUN must have thought the same things.
Hmmm. Lets recap.
Number one. Collecting spirits. iirc theres some sort of folktale in japan that has one spirit eating another, gaining its power. A certain someone is a spirit.
Number two, the relation to UFO. As where I quoted, it seems that the doors of the temple in stage3 have been closed for a very long time. Who else is a spirit that's been gone for a very long time?
Number three, Pretty much every character we have seen is a spirit of some kind. There's Yuyuko, Whos a ghost, which I usually would see as a form of spirit. Theres the first stage midboss, and the stage two boss who is something to do with echoes. I remember something about her saying that she's some kind of yamabiko in Sanae's route, along with Kyouko: Incidentally, attacking humans is also part of the service.
There's also Kogasa who is an item that wasnt used for 100 years, which I guess counts as a spirit. And zombies count as spirits too :V
Number four, A certain evil spirit we all know has a pretty big ego. It's clear she would make a temple about herself.
Number 5 ZUN is hinting at Mima quite a lot in the demo. That or I'm over predicting.
Oh and number 6 Byakuren is from Makai, as she was sealed away there. Who else do we know thats from there?
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Regarding the risk of collecting spirits - this seems to be a very score-centric game, with the pattern difficulty toned down to make up for the more complex mechanics. Pointblanking for spirits/hyper meter is beneficial to both scoring and survival (unless you die obviously) - pretty often it's possible to try and kill off enemies before they actually fire, so it rewards a very aggressive playstyle. Hopefully this will encourage people to play for score, bizarre as the thought may be. :P Speedkilling enemies is usually rewarded with further enemies to kill, which often contain life or bomb pieces - it plays out sort of like Dangun Feveron with hypers and not-insane ship speeds.
Also, they're totally hypers, not trance mode. Hypers they are and hypers I will continue to call them. >:V
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WE GUESSED EVERYTHING
EVERYTHING
WE WIN
:o
Also, the music owns, as usual. And spellcards are beautiful, even on easy.
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OK, I tried it out, and this is what I think.
EASY MODO is way easier than IN Easy. My only deaths were due to my over-aggressive play in the stage sections.
Normal is still quite easy, I managed to 1cc it with Raymoo on my second try - mind you, I'm no Touhou guru, and I haven't played for like two months. I'll move up to Hard once I've cleared Normal with all shot types.
Reimu's shot type might be good for beginners. It feels like IN Border Team without Ran homing in on the enemies when focused.
Marisa feels underpowered when unfocusing. Her lasers are no longer piercing, but she makes up for that with magic missiles which pack quite a punch. Master Spark is awkward, it can now be angled, but I can't figure out how. Also no item autocollection when bombing... meh.
Sanae's got UFO MarisaB's shot, but now it doesn't seem completely useless. I like it. Bomb is meh.
Youmu... well, she's weird at first. It's basically MarisaA from MoF. Charged slashes seem very powerful, but having to be pretty close to the enemies, or, even worse, bosses, kind of sucks. She does, however, feel more fun to use than MoF MarisaA.
The spirit system is way more fun than collecting those pesky UFO tokens flying around. It rewards taking huge risks, since the spirits tend to appear high up on the field near the POC and around bosses - I see scorerunners hugging them and taking advantage of Trance Mode when they have the chance.
Speaking of which, Trance is cool but impractical. Not being able to trigger it manually when the gauge isn't full prevents abusing it, which is fine by me, but also prevents using it any time it's needed the most, that is with green and purple spirits around. Learning optimal Trance activation timings is still feasible - I don't know how much of a penalty going PICHUN right before a planned Trance might be, I only hope it's possible to make up for such mistakes later. The game is also particularly stingy with extra resources this time around. Beginners might be penalized a little too much for dying and not capitalizing on good Trance opportunities. It might also prevent deathbombing with more than 1/3 of the gauge full - Trance won't activate with less than that. I wasn't able to test deathbombing, so I might be wrong about it. :derp:
It's a demo, though, things might change a little bit in the full version. I hope.
Meeting Yuyuko as a Stage 1 boss was unexpected and quite... boring gameplay-wise (I still haven't tried Hard and Lunatic, I hope the fight gets interesting). Kogasa... well, was not a surprise, as usual. She's fun to fight, though, at least on Normal.
As for Kyouko and Yoshika... they're unremarkable compared to, say, Nazrin, Kogasa, and even Ichirin. They lack those traits that make them stand out from the rest of the cast. Their danmaku are also meh. There's still hope for the other bosses, though.
Music is hit and miss. I love the menu song and all the stage themes bar none, but I can't say the same about the boss themes.
It might not be the best Touhou ever since Mountain of Faith, but I like this game a lot and I see myself playing the full version over and over as soon as I can get ahold of a copy.
Also, IF I SEE THAT FUCKING MIMA ONE MORE TIME >:(
(http://i52.tinypic.com/v6hnc2.png)
:getdown:
EDIT: fixed image macro. My site always acts stupid when it comes to linking images :derp:
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Holy shit, you people went ballistic overnight.
But yeah, Mima is coming.
*in my bones*\
:getdown: :getdown:
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Holy shit, you people went ballistic overnight.
also this
i had to go through 5 pages jesus christ guys
Honestly, I'll be suprised if ZUN doesnt put Mima in there. A million things and their mother are pointing to her, and the fans have been demanding her to be in the next "hoes on my toes" game.
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I'm also surprise of the lack of "YAY! REIMU'S SLEEVES ARE STILL DETACHED!" comments.
I noticed the detachment just now. :V
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So yeah, I'm either having terrible timing (even when forcing it) or deatbombing simply doesn't exist in this game. I'd bet it's the second option, which is a first since the PC98 games, I guess?
On another note, I love how the stage description wiggles around at the beginning of each stage. Kinda eerie.
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Confirming bug: Occasional game crash after finishing Yoshika's last card. If it has anything to do with it, I was playing as Youmu...
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Deathbombing is still there, though it doesn't appear to work if you have at least 1/3 of the hyper meter. Have less than that and you can still deathbomb.
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Other than giving me a craving for human flesh, the demo isn't doing much for me. But then neither did the SA demo, and that one turned out great.
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Deathbombing is still there, though it doesn't appear to work if you have at least 1/3 of the hyper meter. Have less than that and you can still deathbomb.
I tried that, which is the reason I even mentioned forcing my self into a deathbomb situation. Maybe I really do have no timing today or the timegap between getting hit and dieing is very small in this game? I don't seem to be able to pull it off.
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Did anyone else think "INVISIBLE STEERING WHEEL!" when seeing Yoshika's sprite for the first time?
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Prologue available in ZUN's site translated.
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Ten_Desires/Translation/Prologue
I love how ZUN will go with this:
復活が近いことに笑みを浮かべ―― そして復讐を誓った。
As her resurrection drew near, her grin grew deeper - and she vowed for her vengeance.
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I'm seriously going to hate ZUN if with the actual game he's all like "GUISE IM GOING TO CHANGE THE SCRIPT SO MIMA WAS NEVER HINTED AT KAY?"
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> Once again vowed for her vengeance.
> once again
> vengeance
It's going to take a very elaborate setup to prank us with a line like this.
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But Mima's already in the game.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/exitjmouse/aheartfeltreunion.jpg
(also: it doesn't say vengeance on whom, probably some bitter old youkai/spirit that was sealed away and wants to attack the human village in general or something)
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Sorry for confusion. In the original text, there's no "once again", so I fixed that up.
> Once again vowed for her vengeance.
> once again
> vengeance
It's going to take a very elaborate setup to prank us with a line like this.
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At best, like how Byakuren was a tribute to Shinki, this new boss might be a tribute to Mima in some way.
Despite a likely chance that the culprit behind it all will not be Mima, they both carry similar motives as we have witnessed in PC-98 era. Not necessarily as explicit as Byakuren's Great Devil spell, but in terms of the context of it all, I think.
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Oh god...
This just SCREAMS Mima.
Please be kind to us for once, ZUN! Let us not be punk'd for once!
*grovel*
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But Mima's already in the game.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/exitjmouse/aheartfeltreunion.jpg
(also: it doesn't say vengeance on whom, probably some bitter old youkai/spirit that was sealed away and wants to attack the human village in general or something)
>Byakuren was in Makai
Who else is, as far as we know right now, In Makai? This game, so far, is tieing in with UFO. It would only make sense that in the grave behind Byakuren's temple is some sort of summoning circle, which Mima will then fly out of.
That or a new character, but that would make way too many Makai residents.Oh god...
This just SCREAMS Mima.
Please be kind to us for once, ZUN! Let us not be punk'd for once!
*grovel*
basically this
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It's about as exciting as when ZUN hints that Mima is likely Marisa's mother in his music commentary in his remix of Reincarnation.
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But Mima's already in the game.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/exitjmouse/aheartfeltreunion.jpg
I cried manry tears. There will be a reckoning.
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The bug with Yoshika crashing is when she eats spirits at the exact time she's exploding. The game doesn't know what to do with the healing factor when she's already dead, flips out, and crashes. It's a pretty big issue, and you can only resolve it with vigilance and timing. ZUN really needs to fix it by the time the full game rolls around, or this will be extremely annoying.
That still doesn't change the fact that Yoshika is the best character in the game thus far and all of you know it.
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I'll post my sentiments.
Eh...the game's alright so far. Compared to UFO's demo, which was the first demo I played, this seems underwhelming. Of course, not everything can be BROFISTs that shake the screen. On the music, it reminds me of Great Fairy Wars, which is cool for the stages, but I'm not a fan of it for the bosses. Course, the mood of this game probably closer to GFW than UFO and SA, so it might grow on me.
The score mechanics confuse me. What's the point of the little spirits? The explanation Hele gave seems to be only count toward the bigger looking ones. Also, if the big ones grow small enough
Also: I want a doujin with Micheal Jackson's ghost teaching the the 3rd boss Thriller.
One more thing, a bunch of you guys thought Kogasa when seeing third boss, but did you guys think Nazrin when seeing 2nd boss?
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Another morning of scoring shenanigans. I never expected this game's scoring system to be so... what's the word, attractive? Even though I keep getting mad at myself for dying stupidly over and over. ::) Anyway, here's my latest result after Stage 2's stage portion (http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2244/tendesirestrialstage2st.jpg). Didn't 1cc because I still don't know what's what in Stage 3, but I beat my previous high score by around 50% (http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4351/tendesirestrialkogasare.jpg) at Kogasa.
Yeah, Trance Mode is essentially hypers from other shooting games. I kinda expect both terms to be thrown around at some point. Also, I wonder if being unable to deathbomb with at least 1 Trance icon is ZUN's way of teaching us to bomb rather than deathbomb. Whole portions of this game feel like he's trying to make some sort of transition into how other shooting games typically play.
Considering that I've only ever played Lunatic here, I don't know first-hand how much easier the lower difficulties are supposed to be than other games. But TD's Lunatic honestly doesn't feel much less difficult than before. The first two stages alone feature quite a few attacks that force you to read bullets from above and both sides at the same time (well, at least I find that somewhat hard), and even Kogasa requires SA-level amounts of precision movement. Since I still haven't played much of Yoshika, I don't know if she will continue on any of these trends (I know how her final works, but I don't want to get spoiled on the rest yet).
I noticed something a little odd about Reimu's homing shot. Depending on your position and the enemy's movement, it's possible to get the amulets to keep circling around them. Doesn't happen often, but still a bit unneeded when it does.
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Also about the hints of Mima returning, it might just as well hiting that it's Shinki who's making a comeback.
I mean, it's more likely that Shiki's the one leading a zombie army and attracting spirits than Mima doing so, not to mention Byakuren's Shikipatterns in UFO.
Just throwing the idea out there. :V
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I noticed something a little odd about Reimu's homing shot. Depending on your position and the enemy's movement, it's possible to get the amulets to keep circling around them. Doesn't happen often, but still a bit unneeded when it does.
Noticed that too. Some unneeded and couple of bugs here and there for ZUN to fix.
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So on a hunch I did a little experimentation. Guess how many quick kills you need to do to get grey spirits to start to spawn? (Hint: 10 :V)
And yeah, I think the games kindness towards scorerunning is one of the reasons I'm enjoying it so much. It rewards the soft memorization I'm good at. Just get a feel for the flow of the enemies, then shoot where they're going to appear for shinys.
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By the way, is anyone able to get a smaller screen resolution? Seems like it stays on fullscreen no matter what you choose.
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>Byakuren was in Makai
Who else is, as far as we know right now, In Makai? This game, so far, is tieing in with UFO. It would only make sense that in the grave behind Byakuren's temple is some sort of summoning circle, which Mima will then fly out of.
Who else? YuugenMagan, Elis, Sariel, (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Highly_Responsive_to_Prayers/Characters) Sara, Luise/Luzie, Yuki, Mai, Yumeko, and Shinki. (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Mystic_Square/Characters) And to tie in with UFO, it's much more realistic to link it to Byakuren's group, which more likely means something about Buddhism, youkai/human racism, or the history of her group/her personal history. Who knows, maybe it's the spirit of whoever sealed her away, or a youkai that hated her years ago?
And why would she want to summon Mima anyway :V
This is hilarious.
I cried manry tears. There will be a reckoning.
Cry some more, ze! (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/exitjmouse/Marisa_CrySomeMore.png) Just you wait until I find some way to get a decent recording of that replay I put together.
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Welp, turns out it wasn't Myouren himself after all.. Mima is a good guess now, but I hope it'll actually be a new character.
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Another morning of scoring shenanigans. I never expected this game's scoring system to be so... what's the word, attractive? Even though I keep getting mad at myself for dying stupidly over and over. ::) Anyway, here's my latest result after Stage 2's stage portion (http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2244/tendesirestrialstage2st.jpg). Didn't 1cc because I still don't know what's what in Stage 3, but I beat my previous high score by around 50% (http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4351/tendesirestrialkogasare.jpg) at Kogasa.
Yeah, Trance Mode is essentially hypers from other shooting games. I kinda expect both terms to be thrown around at some point. Also, I wonder if being unable to deathbomb with at least 1 Trance icon is ZUN's way of teaching us to bomb rather than deathbomb. Whole portions of this game feel like he's trying to make some sort of transition into how other shooting games typically play.
Considering that I've only ever played Lunatic here, I don't know first-hand how much easier the lower difficulties are supposed to be than other games. But TD's Lunatic honestly doesn't feel much less difficult than before. The first two stages alone feature quite a few attacks that force you to read bullets from above and both sides at the same time (well, at least I find that somewhat hard), and even Kogasa requires SA-level amounts of precision movement. Since I still haven't played much of Yoshika, I don't know if she will continue on any of these trends (I know how her final works, but I don't want to get spoiled on the rest yet).
I noticed something a little odd about Reimu's homing shot. Depending on your position and the enemy's movement, it's possible to get the amulets to keep circling around them. Doesn't happen often, but still a bit unneeded when it does.
I'm definitely enjoying the scoring system the most from this game. On another note any clue where the replays are? Or are they not stored separately for demos?
i'm doing score runs on normal because I'm not amazing, but I got that highscore of 53mil by playing half aggressive half safe (ended the run with 2 lives 1 bomb I think)
And this run on the picture was complete aggression but stopped about 3/4 of the way through the stage.
http://www.ressim.net/61/upload/84e91a20.png
after looking through my replay it seems the difference between aggressive and half aggressive playthrough was around 8 million in score at the same point in both playthroughs.
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Just to note, that last line in the prologue doesn't seem to have any implications towards a male or female character in the Japanese version. The "she" seems to be translator's choice probably because females in Touhou are most likely. But don't get hung up too much on that line for now.
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Who else? YuugenMagan, Elis, Sariel, (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Highly_Responsive_to_Prayers/Characters) Sara, Luise/Luzie, Yuki, Mai, Yumeko, and Shinki. (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Mystic_Square/Characters) And to tie in with UFO, it's much more realistic to link it to Byakuren's group, which more likely means something about Buddhism, youkai/human racism, or the history of her group/her personal history. Who knows, maybe it's the spirit of whoever sealed her away, or a youkai that hated her years ago?
And why would she want to summon Mima anyway :V
This is hilarious.
Cry some more, ze! (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/exitjmouse/Marisa_CrySomeMore.png) Just you wait until I find some way to get a decent recording of that replay I put together.
Thank you, Mouse. Nothing quite as obnoxious as seeing Mima fans DEMANDING her return and accusing the game creator of deliberately trolling them by not including her.
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Thank you, Mouse. Nothing quite as obnoxious as seeing Mima fans DEMANDING her return and accusing the game creator of deliberately trolling them by not including her.
Especially when she's already in already :smug: (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/exitjmouse/aheartfeltreunion.jpg)
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Thank you, Mouse. Nothing quite as obnoxious as seeing Mima fans DEMANDING her return and accusing the game creator of deliberately trolling them by not including her.
That's not what I was personally going for at all. I'm making a logical guess, as there are characters I would prefer in this game MUCH more then Yuuka.
Really, no need to hate on the Mima fans.
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That's not what I was personally going for at all. I'm making a logical guess, as there are characters I would prefer in this game MUCH more then Yuuka.
Really, no need to hate on the Mima fans.
Well, if they learned to be less obnoxious then I would have more sympathy for them.
Honestly, I wouldn't mind if any of the PC-98 characters reappeared or not.
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That's not what I was personally going for at all. I'm making a logical guess, as there are characters I would prefer in this game MUCH more then Yuuka.
Really, no need to hate on the Mima fans.
this.
I would enjoy Mima coming back because that would just be a plain silly thing for ZUN to do.
I still hate not being able to death bomb with 1/3 of your meter full. Why ZUN? :qq:
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As her resurrection drew near, her grin grew deeper - and vowed for her vengeance
This implies:
1) The person is not alive enough to be able to be resurrected
2) Somebody from Gensokyo is responsible for this (and it probably didn't happen in the outside world... but we can't rule that out) OR the person wanted revenge for something before her death, but died before she could manage it
3) Ability to grin
4?) Not male? (Is the original japanese text gender specific?) edit while writing: somebody posted about this meanwhile. not gender specific.
Possibilities:
New character based on some folk tale or ancient japanese history (Undead Giant Enemy Crab loli?) as usual.
Mima Magia not her canon surname obviously. I made that up.
Youki Konpaku, if someone killed... err, half-killed him. (I also like this theory, but he's male too) Not gender specific, yay!
Someone who was unjustly beaten by Reimu/Marisa (/Sanae?/Youmu?) and died afterwards (not necesarilly a result of the beating though!) (Shinki, Tokiko, some random PC98 unnamed midboss thingy, pretty much everyone with enough speculation, as you can see below:)
Kurumi (assuming she is not alive enough to be able to be ressurected)
Yuki might want revenge if she heard Mai
YuugenMagan (who wouldn't want revenge for being poked in the eyes!)
Impossibilities:
Myouren Hijiri (natural death if i'm not mistaken) (also he's male, so unless the japanese text wasn't gender specific, he's not the boss we are searching for. Move along.) Not gender specific
Remilia/Sakuya/whoever "Septette for the dead princess" refers to
Saigyou Ayakashi and/or unconsciously Yuyuko (i like this theory, but sadly i don't think Saigyou Ayakashi can grin...)
Yuka Kazami (probably still alive, also had her chance to have revenge in Touhou 9)
By the way, i think that if the person being resurrected is not the same person as the one resurrecting her, then stage 6 boss is resurrecter and EX is resurrectee (does this word exist?)
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This implies:
1) The person is not alive enough to be able to be resurrected
2) Somebody from Gensokyo is responsible for this (and it probably didn't happen in the outside world... but we can't rule that out) OR the person wanted revenge for something before her death, but died before she could manage it
3) Ability to grin
4?) Not male? (Is the original japanese text gender specific?) edit while writing: somebody posted about this meanwhile. not gender specific.
Possibilities:
New character based on some folk tale or ancient japanese history (Undead Giant Enemy Crab loli?) as usual.
Mima Magia not her canon surname obviously. I made that up.
Youki Konpaku, if someone killed... err, half-killed him. (I also like this theory, but he's male too) Not gender specific, yay!
Someone who was unjustly beaten by Reimu/Marisa (/Sanae?/Youmu?) and died afterwards (not necesarilly a result of the beating though!) (Shinki, Tokiko, some random PC98 unnamed midboss thingy, pretty much everyone with enough speculation, as you can see below:)
Kurumi (assuming she is not alive enough to be able to be ressurected)
Yuki might want revenge if she heard Mai
YuugenMagan (who wouldn't want revenge for being poked in the eyes!)
Impossibilities:
Myouren Hijiri (natural death if i'm not mistaken) (also he's male, so unless the japanese text wasn't gender specific, he's not the boss we are searching for. Move along.) Not gender specific
Remilia/Sakuya/whoever "Septette for the dead princess" refers to
Saigyou Ayakashi and/or unconsciously Yuyuko (i like this theory, but sadly i don't think Saigyou Ayakashi can grin...)
Yuka Kazami (probably still alive, also had her chance to have revenge in Touhou 9)
By the way, i think that if the person being resurrected is not the same person as the one resurrecting her, then stage 6 boss is resurrecter and EX is resurrectee (does this word exist?)
Actually, this makes quite a lot of sense.
The only one that doesnt make sense is that reimu/sanae killed someone by accident or something, and I'm pretty sure they didnt. Also, The one with the cursed tree thing could make sense. After all, The tree could possess Yuyuko's real body and make her grin
also the ability to grin? are you mad thats fucking OP
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That's not what I was personally going for at all. I'm making a logical guess, as there are characters I would prefer in this game MUCH more then Yuuka.
Really, no need to hate on the Mima fans.
Earlier on this page:
Oh god...
This just SCREAMS Mima.
Please be kind to us for once, ZUN! Let us not be punk'd for once!
*grovel*
basically this
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"Oh hey look, He's a Mima fan, He MUST be obesssed with her!"
That's not what I was personally going for at all. I'm making a logical guess, as there are characters I would prefer in this game MUCH more then Yuuka.
Really, no need to hate on the Mima fans.
That logical guess is me taking parts of the script in the game itself, and thinking of who it could be. Although I didnt know that as Sakana said,
Just to note, that last line in the prologue doesn't seem to have any implications towards a male or female character in the Japanese version. The "she" seems to be translator's choice probably because females in Touhou are most likely. But don't get hung up too much on that line for now.
That the "she" part was just what the translator thought it was, because it makes sense of all the touhous that are girls.
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Well, I was just hoping that ZUN wouldn't make a new character that's like Mima in almost every single way. I'd really hate that. And I also pointed out that it might not be Mima, but rather Shinki who might be coming back.
But I still want my bishonen Touhou. I'm rooting for Myouren and Youki. :3
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That logical guess is me taking parts of the script in the game itself, and thinking of who it could be.
[Author's Note: The astute reader will notice that Ryoga Hibiki
has what can best be described as a somewhat unusual logic system.
Rather than going from facts to conclusion, one starts at the
conclusion and jams the facts around it. And in the minds of the
likes of Ryoga Hibiki and Tatewaki Kuno, we all KNOW what the
conclusion is.]
that's about all there is to say on the matter
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"Oh hey look, He's a Mima fan, He MUST be obesssed with her!"
Wrong, Kip. I'm pointing out that you agreed with the sentiment that ZUN excluding Mima is somehow "punking" you guys. Just chill already.
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Welcome to 2009 (?).
I don't remember ZUN drawing hands as good as that.
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Okay, based on Marisa/Yuyuko dialog:
Yuyuko: "These are divine spirit children. Bundles of human desire."
Marisa: "Desires? Thought it might be something like that."
And then the prologue:
As her resurrection drew near, her grin grew deeper - and vowed for her vengeance
Someone apparently desires vengeance...
So, we've got the Desires part down, how about the Ten? Aside from, you know, this being the tenth straight-up shooter in the entire Touhou franchise?
Warning - Choo choo, Yukari gapped 4 trains on you.
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Wrong, Kip. I'm pointing out that you agreed with the sentiment that ZUN excluding Mima is somehow "punking" you guys. Just chill already.
I read punking as pranking :V
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I totally called Kogasa returning as a midboss (though a dialogue-less one) and a character based on a jiang-shi! I don't think Mima will return anymore. In the past traditional SHMUPs (which means not counting Touhou 3 and Touhou 9), ZUN only reused two bosses at most.
I'm liking Yoshika already! Her theme is easily the best in this game so far!
BTW, I've encountered a bug. After beating the game once as Youmu on Normal difficulty, I started over again using Sanae on Easy difficulty. When I reached Yuykuko, I couldn't speed through the dialogues. Whenever I pause and unpause, there is a chance that the dialogue will scroll when I press the Z button, or maybe it scrolled by itself after some time had passed. Because it was too slow, I restarted the stage, only to get the same result. I changed to playing Reimu in the same difficulty setting, but the same thing happened. Finally, I played as Sanae again using the same difficulty setting. Guess what happened...
I assume that things will return to normal after I exit the game entirely and come back. I'll try it when I feel like it. Has anyone encountered this bug, though?
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For some strange reason, I think Konngara has a pretty good chance of reappearing. It kinda makes sense once you delve into it :V
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I read punking as pranking :V
A largely meaningless distinction; the sense that she has to return and it being ZUN's fault whenever she doesn't is the same. :V
But this has been gone over a dozen times already...
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Actually, this makes quite a lot of sense.
The only one that doesnt make sense is that reimu/sanae killed someone by accident or something, and I'm pretty sure they didnt. Also, The one with the cursed tree thing could make sense. After all, The tree could possess Yuyuko's real body and make her grin
also the ability to grin? are you mad thats fucking OP
Yeah, they probably didn't kill anyone by accident (even though there must be lots of stray bullets), but what if for example they beat up someone for no reason (Tokiko?), that person wanted revenge, but died of natural causes/unfortunate accident?
Also it took me some googling to figure out what OP is supposed to mean, because "original poster" didn't make sense. For other people: It means overpowered
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tokiko for phantasm stage
called it
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I discovered something! I don't know if it happens in any other modes, but if you kill the two bomb-part fairies fast enough, two more will appear, and possibly 2 life fairies after that!
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I read punking as pranking :V
Same difference.
Here, let me get this down now: ZUN doesn't care if you want Mima back or not. His excluding her is not trolling, punking or pranking you. He has always been prone to create new bosses.
We go through this every. single. time a new Touhou game comes out is all. It just gets really tiresome.
My earlier statement about some (certainly not all) Mima fans was not just directed at you, in other words. I like Mima. I like Mima fans. I don't like video game users who feel the developer owes them something.
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yes..........I haven't buy it yet since I'd like the full game though. also I hope someone makes an english patch soon! while now I have to wait for full to be relaeased so I can buy it. also I'm happy for more music in the music room!!!!!!
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Same difference.
Here, let me get this down now: ZUN doesn't care if you want Mima back or not. His excluding her is not trolling, punking or pranking you. He has always been prone to create new bosses.
We go through this every. single. time a new Touhou game comes out is all. It just gets really tiresome.
My earlier statement about some (certainly not all) Mima fans was not just directed at you, in other words. I like Mima. I like Mima fans. I don't like video game users who feel the developer owes them something.
I never exactly felt like ZUN would be trolling if he didnt include mima. I would be thinking he's trolling when he gives all this evidence to Mima being in the game (well not evidence, but hinting at it), and change the script in the actual game to make it so, you know, that part didnt actually happen.
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I never exactly felt like ZUN would be trolling if he didnt include mima. I would be thinking he's trolling when he gives all this evidence to Mima being in the game (well not evidence, but hinting at it), and change the script in the actual game to make it so, you know, that part didnt actually happen.
I don't recall any Touhou plotlines directly suggesting Mima's return; only being interpretable as suggesting it if you tried to, rather than assuming it would be a new character.
that's about a--wait not yet
[Author's Note: The astute reader will notice that Ryoga Hibiki
has what can best be described as a somewhat unusual logic system.
Rather than going from facts to conclusion, one starts at the
conclusion and jams the facts around it. And in the minds of the
likes of Ryoga Hibiki and Tatewaki Kuno, we all KNOW what the
conclusion is.]
that's about all there is to say on the matter
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I'm not calling Mima because ZUN owes me anything.
Anyway, if Yuyuko mentioned "a troublesome individual" making a return, it would probably have been Kogasa (having appeared after Yuyuko). Two non-player recycles does seem like a bit much for ZUN.
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For some strange reason, I think Konngara has a pretty good chance of reappearing. It kinda makes sense once you delve into it :V
Official remix of Swordsman of a Distant Star?!?!?! :*
I think I like this theory a lot more.
*throws Mima idea out the window*
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Same difference.
Here, let me get this down now: ZUN doesn't care if you want Mima back or not. His excluding her is not trolling, punking or pranking you. He has always been prone to create new bosses.
We go through this every. single. time a new Touhou game comes out is all. It just gets really tiresome.
My earlier statement about some (certainly not all) Mima fans was not just directed at you, in other words. I like Mima. I like Mima fans. I don't like video game users who feel the developer owes them something.
Actually I agree with you. I do like mima too but its ZUN's decision he created touhou so he is free to choose who'll revive back and who'll not. There is always touhou 14 mima fans.
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I never exactly felt like ZUN would be trolling if he didnt include mima. I would be thinking he's trolling when he gives all this evidence to Mima being in the game (well not evidence, but hinting at it), and change the script in the actual game to make it so, you know, that part didnt actually happen.
As Mouse pointed out, those "hints" point with the same degree towards any number of characters.
Also, why on earth would ZUN "change the script" to conceal evidence of the hints at Mima that you're seeing? What is this concern even based on? What a bizarre thing to consider. I think you have very little to worry about in that department.
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This implies:
1) The person is not alive enough to be able to be resurrected
2) Somebody from Gensokyo is responsible for this (and it probably didn't happen in the outside world... but we can't rule that out) OR the person wanted revenge for something before her death, but died before she could manage it
3) Ability to grin
4?) Not male? (Is the original japanese text gender specific?) edit while writing: somebody posted about this meanwhile. not gender specific.
Possibilities:
New character based on some folk tale or ancient japanese history (Undead Giant Enemy Crab loli?) as usual.
Mima Magia not her canon surname obviously. I made that up.
Youki Konpaku, if someone killed... err, half-killed him. (I also like this theory, but he's male too) Not gender specific, yay!
Someone who was unjustly beaten by Reimu/Marisa (/Sanae?/Youmu?) and died afterwards (not necesarilly a result of the beating though!) (Shinki, Tokiko, some random PC98 unnamed midboss thingy, pretty much everyone with enough speculation, as you can see below:)
Kurumi (assuming she is not alive enough to be able to be ressurected)
Yuki might want revenge if she heard Mai
YuugenMagan (who wouldn't want revenge for being poked in the eyes!)
Impossibilities:
Myouren Hijiri (natural death if i'm not mistaken) (also he's male, so unless the japanese text wasn't gender specific, he's not the boss we are searching for. Move along.) Not gender specific
Remilia/Sakuya/whoever "Septette for the dead princess" refers to
Saigyou Ayakashi and/or unconsciously Yuyuko (i like this theory, but sadly i don't think Saigyou Ayakashi can grin...)
Yuka Kazami (probably still alive, also had her chance to have revenge in Touhou 9)
By the way, i think that if the person being resurrected is not the same person as the one resurrecting her, then stage 6 boss is resurrecter and EX is resurrectee (does this word exist?)
Actually, I really want to see YuugenMagan make a return. I would be nice to get a more detailed look at the "person" in the center of where those electric lines connect!
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Actually I agree with you. I do like mima too but its ZUN's decision he created touhou so he is free to choose who'll revive back and who'll not. There is always touhou 14 mima fans.
I think you mean 13.2, 13.4, 13.6, 13.8. :trollface:
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I think you mean 13.2, 13.4, 13.6, 13.8. :trollface:
err.....Does touhou even have so many spin offs? after 13 is 14 then the spinoffs right?
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I'm liking Yoshika already! Her theme is easily the best in this game so far!
Yeah, Yoshi's theme strangely fits.
Also, I'm curious as to why you guys are griping about not being able to speed through dialogue. This isn't an RPG; it's a shooter. It doesn't have that much dialogue anyway. Also, it's a demo. Maybe he hasn't implemented it yet.
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For some strange reason, I think Konngara has a pretty good chance of reappearing. It kinda makes sense once you delve into it :V
^
This
Honestly, Konngara or Shinki coming back makes more sense than Mima doing so.
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Yoshika's theme is great. It's a bit spooky, a bit oriental, and I think ZUN found a new drumming program (or a new way to use it), because the beats are hugely improved. Plus he's playing around with rhythm more. Just love the music in this game.
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Speaking of Yoshika : I bet that she will return as a Stage 5/6/Extra midboss but without her charm.
This charm is just...you know...it HAS to be removed.
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Also, I'm curious as to why you guys are griping about not being able to speed through dialogue. This isn't an RPG; it's a shooter. It doesn't have that much dialogue anyway.
It completely breaks the pacing of the game to be unable to skip the dialogue. As you said, it's a shooter, not an RPG. It's a fast-paced game, and having to sit there for who knows how many minutes looking at text you can't understand is about as disruptive to the pacing as placing a brick wall in front of a speeding F-1 racer.
Also, it's a demo. Maybe he hasn't implemented it yet.
...he has. Have you played the demo yet? It's a bug, like Yoshika's crashing the game when she eats souls after you kill her. Besides, it would be ridiculous for him to not implement it yet. The demo is supposed to be as close to the final product as you can make it, sans a few bugs.
Speaking of Yoshika : I bet that she will return as a Stage 5/6/Extra midboss but without her charm.
This charm is just...you know...it HAS to be removed.
Or she'll be like Rumia and we'll never know what happens when she has it removed.
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placing a brick wall in front of a speeding F-1 racer.
I dont see the problem there. :derp:
Also, Just played through it on easy modo, and I have to say this is pretty fun. Sure everytime I die I get a chance to say "fuck you" to the person who killed me, but its kinda annoying that I have to go through a whole stage and just barely getting 2 and a half "bars" on the trance meter. Unless theres some sort of strategy I'm not using, of course.
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The third bosses name is Yoshika and she has the power to eat anything.
Am I the only one who thinks about Mario?
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The third bosses name is Yoshika and she has the power to eat anything.
Am I the only one who thinks about Mario?
World Without Mudkipz
y u do dis
Also yeah, I thought of it at first. Hell when I was playing the demo, I expected her to have a long-ass tongue to eat the spirits.
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It completely breaks the pacing of the game to be unable to skip the dialogue. As you said, it's a shooter, not an RPG. It's a fast-paced game, and having to sit there for who knows how many minutes looking at text you can't understand is about as disruptive to the pacing as placing a brick wall in front of a speeding F-1 racer.
I can speed through the dialogue by holding down Z. Other people seem to be unable to speed through it, though. I also haven't had any crashing issues, or problems playing replays.
Sometimes when I start the game the music doesn't, but then I just close it and start it again.
I don't know how I feel about the fact that Windows users are experiencing *more* bugs than I am running this game in Linux, but these are clearly issues with the game that will hopefully get sorted with the full release.
Or she'll be like Rumia and we'll never know what happens when she has it removed.
I thought it was canon that she turns into Marisa.
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The third bosses name is Yoshika and she has the power to eat anything.
Am I the only one who thinks about Mario?
:o
I can already imagine the crossover fanart...
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Or she'll be like Rumia and we'll never know what happens when she has it removed.
She ... dies ? Or probably go into Trance (which reminds me, why don't the bosses have this Trance mode ?)
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I can speed through the dialogue by holding down Z. Other people seem to be unable to speed through it, though. I also haven't had any crashing issues, or problems playing replays.
I encountered the bug once. After and before that, no issues with dialogue.
Aside from that, I still experience the Yoshika crash pretty often. I just have really bad timing.
The third bosses name is Yoshika and she has the power to eat anything.
Am I the only one who thinks about Mario?
Zombie Kirby was the first thing that came to mind, personally.
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FORMLESS!
When are you going to do fanart of our two new girls?
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The third bosses name is Yoshika and she has the power to eat anything.
Am I the only one who thinks about Mario?
That was the second thing i thought of. The first was DJ Yoshitaka and Evans.
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Yoshika's theme is great. It's a bit spooky, a bit oriental, and I think ZUN found a new drumming program (or a new way to use it), because the beats are hugely improved. Plus he's playing around with rhythm more. Just love the music in this game.
He's using Groove Agent, a VST bundled with Cubase 5/6.
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He's using Groove Agent, a VST bundled with Cubase 5/6.
Well that's good to know! But has he always used this, or is this new?
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Actually, I think about Miyafuji Yoshika from Strike Witches!
:yukkuri:
Anyway, I just heard the mixed OST, courtesy of Nameless Fairy, (http://pooshlmer.com/wakaba/res/504985.html#505175) and it is totally awesome. Everyone should listen to it. I quote: "Since each song is really only half a song, you only hear the full song when you mix both tracks together (easy enough using Audacity). Songs get a lot better once you hear the "Full" version." And they do, holy crap. Rigid Paradise is particularly fun.
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Could we get some links ruro?
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Well that's good to know! But has he always used this, or is this new?
He started using it in Double Spoiler.
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FORMLESS!
When are you going to do fanart of our two new girls?
Don't tell this to anyone kay, I'm not done yet (http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/221836_1507235941208_1843603191_935124_3574746_n.jpg) BV
P.S. Someone on jaypee tried merging the normal world version and the Trance version of the BGMs. The result is, well, very intriguing :colonveeplusalpha:
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Someone needs to post a rip of the Trance version BGM, and the combined songs. Like, soon.
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He started using it in Double Spoiler.
Ah I see. In that case it seems he's found new uses for it. I mean listen to the snare (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbJGQOKzBYo) he puts on top of the drumbeat at about 8 seconds in. As my grandfather used to say, that shit is sick, son.
Don't tell this to anyone kay, I'm not done yet (http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/221836_1507235941208_1843603191_935124_3574746_n.jpg) BV
:o
I knew you wouldn't disappoint.
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Nice work there, Formless, regardless of it being not even finished yet :3
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Don't tell this to anyone kay, I'm not done yet (http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/221836_1507235941208_1843603191_935124_3574746_n.jpg) BV
:* Can't wait for the finished version.
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Well then. (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/897525/) Who didnt see this coming? (danbo warnin)
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Don't tell this to anyone kay, I'm not done yet (http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/221836_1507235941208_1843603191_935124_3574746_n.jpg) BV
ilu man
I'm kind of surprised at how quickly quality artwork started showing up. Touhou fans are amazing people.
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So apparently this all takes place right outside the Myouren Temple. This gives interesting ideas about Byakuren...
[10:23] <~Sakana> I still like the idea that Byakuren just sits around and has tea while the whole incident is going on in her backyard :V
[10:24] <Magical_Moerin> Where's your messiah now, huh!?
[10:24] <~Sakana> "Lady Byakuren, there is undead" "Could I get another cup? ^_^" "Lady Byakuren, they are starting a fight O_O" "Hmm, the snacks are delicious ^_^" "LADY BYAKUREN, THEY BLEW EVERYTHING UP!" "I think I'd like some cake next ^_"^
[10:25] <ShiningDrake> She's better than that though :<
[10:25] <Magical_Moerin> Nope! >.>
[10:25] <~Sakana> Or is she? :V
[10:25] <unlableable> Isn't that what Yuyuko was doing anyway? :V
[10:25] <~Sakana> Well, she likely wouldn't take action against youkai in her backyard as long as they don't do anything bad
[10:26] <E-Nazrin> actually, that's a good way of putting it, Sakana
[10:26] *** Anthony (~chatzilla@qq-E32F7B3C.columbus.res.rr.com) joined
[10:26] <E-Nazrin> Dunno whether a Jiang-shi's bastardization of life and death would count for that, but...
[10:26] <MOMIJI-STILL-SUCKING-DIX> "LADY BYAKUREN THEY'RE UTTERLY DESTROYING EVERYTHING!!" "You place too much value on material things, Shou."
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Well then. (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/897525/) Who didnt see this coming? (danbo warnin)
This had to be done eventually. XD
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So apparently this all takes place right outside the Myouren Temple. This gives interesting ideas about Byakuren...
Heaven forbid that Byakuren actually start living up to her long since lapsed Buddhism for the first time in a millenia, amirite? :flowerpower:
Edit:
Could we get some links ruro?
Someone needs to post a rip of the Trance version BGM, and the combined songs. Like, soon.
I haven't heard a rip of the Trance version BGM on its own, but this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc2znTPAW2U) right here should be enough for your purposes. Say thank-you.
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You guys could rip it yourselves. (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13801415/Touhou/musicroom.htm)
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Heaven forbid that Byakuren actually start living up to her long since lapsed Buddhism for the first time in a millenia, amirite? :flowerpower:
By standing by during the resurrection the undead? :V
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By standing by during the resurrection the undead? :V
To be fair, she's also taken herself out of the cycle of death and rebirth (or at least exempted herself from it for a very long time), so if she criticized others on that basis, they would rightfully call her a hypocrite. Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't.
Yuyuko, on the other hand...
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By standing by during the resurrection the undead? :V
If Noh plays are to be believed isn't the Buddhist way of dealing with the undead to give them a lecture on the cycle of death and rebirth then have them make their own choices? She's probably refreshing her debate skills. :V
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I haven't gotten that Yoshi bug yet...
And again, just press Z to scroll through the text. It's not that big a deal.
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And again, just press Z to scroll through the text. It's not that big a deal.
Again, there's a big that disables that. Rare, but annoying.
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If Noh plays are to be believed isn't the Buddhist way of dealing with the undead to give them a lecture on the cycle of death and rebirth then have them make their own choices? She's probably refreshing her debate skills. :V
*takes notes for potential fiction
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Yay, TD Trial Lunatic 1cc. (http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/3813/tendesirestriallunatic1.jpg) Kyouko and Stage 3 still could have gone more smoothly, even with me planning bombs/hypers on a bunch of parts (as well as completely bombspamming Yoshika). Final score is actually 3 mil higher than what's shown, I wanted to get a picture just in case it crashed at some point (thankfully it didn't). And wow, even Yoshika's danamku is dense. This is only a trial version, and it's already on pace to beat SA in the category of "most consistenly dense patterns". And you know what? I'm okay with this. I want ZUN to keep Lunatic Mode at least as difficult as it was before, no matter what he may have claimed about this game being easier.
Ammy, I run Windows and I've only seen one minor bug, that one where Sanae comes up on the character select even when your history should say otherwise. Don't know what's going on with other people's versions, though I can see why it would crash at Yoshika.
And geez what's with you people and Mima...
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I haven't gotten that Yoshi bug yet...
And again, just press Z to scroll through the text. It's not that big a deal.
You're missing the point. The bug makes it so you CAN'T scroll through the dialogue. I don't see what's so hard to understand about this.
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How epic would it be if Youki and Myouren were the extra stage mid and end boss :*
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Yay, TD Trial Lunatic 1cc. (http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/3813/tendesirestriallunatic1.jpg) Kyouko and Stage 3 still could have gone more smoothly, even with me planning bombs/hypers on a bunch of parts (as well as completely bombspamming Yoshika). Final score is actually 3 mil higher than what's shown, I wanted to get a picture just in case it crashed at some point (thankfully it didn't). And wow, even Yoshika's danamku is dense. This is only a trial version, and it's already on pace to beat SA in the category of "most consistenly dense patterns". And you know what? I'm okay with this. I want ZUN to keep Lunatic Mode at least as difficult as it was before, no matter what he may have claimed about this game being easier.
Ammy, I run Windows and I've only seen one minor bug, that one where Sanae comes up on the character select even when your history should say otherwise. Don't know what's going on with other people's versions, though I can see why it would crash at Yoshika.
And geez what's with you people and Mima...
yeah, it seems that bombing through the spellcards that you can't graze the boss seems to be the way to go. I'm not sure how I feel about this though.
http://www.ressim.net/61/upload/e85c762c.png
69mil on normal.
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How epic would it be if Youki and Myouren were the extra stage mid and end boss :*
Oh YES~! :*
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Well, got normal 1cc with Marisa. Really enjoying the new shot types; none of them seem particularly better or worse than the others this time around in my eyes. Additionally, the music has really started to grow on me, especially the stage 1 boss theme.
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How are you guys getting all of these bugs? I haven't come across a single one yet!
Also, anyone notice ZUN never redrew Kogasa? :P
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You're missing the point. The bug makes it so you CAN'T scroll through the dialogue. I don't see what's so hard to understand about this.
He's not getting that this bug is not universal; some are experiencing it, some not. But if it can be duplicated - and it can be - then it most probably is a bug, and not just some issue some people are having because their machines are old.
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ZUN didn't redraw Sanae for SA either.
Anyway, the combined OST is several orders of magnitude better than the normal songs, it's probably intended for them to be combined...it makes me wonder if there's going to be some kind of alternate game mode where you get to listen to the full songs. (Probably not, though...)
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You're missing the point. The bug makes it so you CAN'T scroll through the dialogue. I don't see what's so hard to understand about this.
It's hard to understand when you haven't run into a bug at all.
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BV
:yumemi:
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Don't tell this to anyone kay, I'm not done yet (http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/221836_1507235941208_1843603191_935124_3574746_n.jpg) BV
goddamn man why are you not drawing cutins for me :derp: :derp:
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Wow went to sleep last night and the next day I'm skimming through 8 more pages of 10D comments :3 And hey, what do you guys think of this new group? http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=602549
We have the old maids, Team 9, and now this :V
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Ahahaha that's a great group :V
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Team Om Nom
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It's hard to understand when you haven't run into a bug at all.
But you do realize that the people here, many of whom are talking about the exact same problems, are not imagining or inventing this bug, yes? Then there you go. Some people are experiencing the bug. Telling them "just press Z" is not going to help them.
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It's hard to understand when you haven't run into a bug at all.
Again I will say it here.. the bug that does not allow you to skip dialogue, or use bombs as well, can happen if you play with any character, alt-tab, go back to menu and start again....
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Again I will say it here.. the bug that does not allow you to skip dialogue, or use bombs as well, can happen if you play with any character, alt-tab, go back to menu and start again....
Well, I can use bombs. The only problem is that I can't skip the dialogue (which doesn't really bother me at all).
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At the people with said bug, have you tried pressing C? It's the ctrl-equivalent to speed through dialogue in this game.
(I'm not having the bug, so I don't know if it works, I'm just guessing options here)
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Funny this is, while all my bombs work and I can skip dialog, C doesn't do anything for me at all. When I go into Options I see all these things you can do, but Shift, Z and X are the only buttons working for me. Am I missing something?
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Ghost Lead.
ALL DAY ERRY DAY
Also
starting a petition to change the name of trance meter to the Orin meter.
It's BREAK METER for BREAK MODE, duh :V
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Funny this is, while all my bombs work and I can skip dialog, C doesn't do anything for me at all. When I go into Options I see all these things you can do, but Shift, Z and X are the only buttons working for me. Am I missing something?
Do you have the meter full? Manually-activated Trances only work when the meter has all three flames lit up, unlike the ones activated on death.
Other than that, I can't think of anything.
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Do you have the meter full? Manually-activated Trances only work when the meter has all three flames lit up, unlike the ones activated on death.
Other than that, I can't think of anything.
Ooooh! Thanks.
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Holding down C will speed through the dialogue like Ctrl used to.
Um, I was thinking
Sanae: Could it be you're a youkai?
Kyouko: Wha?
Sanae: Oh, thank goodness. I was worried I was fighting a monk.
Yeah, because humans totally have ears like that. Way to go, Sanae.
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That's just further proof that Sanae was, is, and most likely always will be a racist.
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She's not racist, she's just not getting trapped by common sense!
:getdown:
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So, whats every player charas special abilities? Youmu was translated right as we saw her picture on ZUN's Blog, Reimu seems to auto-collect spirits in Trance mode but what else is there?
The wiki doesn't seem to say anything about it yet.
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mfw ZUN is using Roland's "Guy getting punched in the face" and laser-gun sound effects in the percussion (http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q125/MasterBigode/1301505465083.jpg)
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She's not racist, she's just not getting trapped by common sense!
I get what you're referring to there, but let's look at this:
While Sanae is polite, if not friendly, with humans, youkai she looks down on with contempt, and takes any opportunity to destroy them. The dialogs from UFO and 10D underline her utter lack of regard for them.
Reimu, another shrine maiden but one with vastly more experience in Incident Solving, while believing that youkai need to be kept "in check" to protect humans, at the very least counts some youkai among her friends.
These two facts about these two shrine maidens leads me to believe that maybe Sanae just has a lot of growing up to do, and when she gets to Reimu's level of experience, she'll come to realize that humans and youkai are equally tiresome and troublesome.
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Whoa, I didn't expect such an explanation in response to a joke. By the way, it's spot on IMO.
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Whoa, I didn't expect such an explanation in response to a joke. By the way, it's spot on IMO.
basically this
also if i see that mima one more fucking time i'll
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also if i see that mima one more fucking time i'll
why dont you take a look in the mirror :smug:
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why dont you take a look in the mirror :smug:
thatsthejoke.jpg
Wait nevermind you cant see ghosts in mirrors
silly suikama
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While Sanae is polite, if not friendly, with humans, youkai she looks down on with contempt, and takes any opportunity to destroy them.
I think you're extrapolating from no data here.
The only humans Sanae meets regularly are Riemu and Marisa, and she's about as polite to them as she is to everyone else.
She talks about fighting and destruction a lot with youkai, but this is Gensoukyo, where Reimu has a friendly chat with the youkai she "exterminated" after all is said and done.
Until we see Sanae in non incident mode all we can accuse her of is being too in character.
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I do wish ZUN uses the mixed songs in the final game, if only because they're so eargasmic. Even if he doesn't, though, I'm sure that somewhere there's someone who would make a patch for it or something, no matter how many souls they would have to sell...
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I think you're extrapolating from no data here.
The only humans Sanae meets regularly are Riemu and Marisa, and she's about as polite to them as she is to everyone else.
She talks about fighting and destruction a lot with youkai, but this is Gensoukyo, where Reimu has a friendly chat with the youkai she "exterminated" after all is said and done.
Until we see Sanae in non incident mode all we can accuse her of is being too in character.
Again, I refer to her dialogs in both UFO and 10D. Especially 10D. Look at the way she talks to human opponents, as opposed to youkai.
The fact is, Sanae and Reimu have two very different POVs about youkai. I was maybe glib in calling Sanae racist, but I do think she's kinda zealous and wet behind the ears.
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Again, I refer to her dialogs in both UFO and 10D. Especially 10D. Look at the way she talks to human opponents, as opposed to youkai.
The fact is, Sanae and Reimu have two very different POVs about youkai. I was maybe glib in calling Sanae racist, but I do think she's kinda zealous and wet behind the ears.
Naive and inexperienced yes, but I think her main problem is she doesn't understand humans in Gensoukyo, not that she's overly harsh to youkai.
Also she doesn't fight any humans in those games. You'll find her dialogue in 12.3 where she does fight both humans and youkai to be rather normal. (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Touhou_Hisoutensoku/Translation/Sanae%27s_Script)
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Naive and inexperienced yes, but I think her main problem is she doesn't understand humans in Gensoukyo, not that she's overly harsh to youkai.
Also she doesn't fight any humans in those games. You'll find her dialogue in 12.3 where she does fight both humans and youkai to be rather normal. (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Touhou_Hisoutensoku/Translation/Sanae%27s_Script)
Well, Youmu is at least half human (and half human ghost), and notice how her tone changes when she discovers Kyouko is youkai.
Interesting theory that she simply doesn't understand humans in Gensokyo. She's a character I have problems liking, in particular because of her dialog in UFO, which was so one-dimensional it surprised me with its zeal. Her enthusiasm for destroying youkai is unmatched, but again, I think after a period of adjustment she'll chill.
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Skipping all pages because I was away for 3 days and can't give a damn.
This game is LOVE.
Sanae is really a good girl, and polite and awesome and LOVE.
Also:
[23:03] YoseiOnmyoji Yoshika: "It is all so that that person shall not be trampled upon by the temple's inhabitants again!"
[23:03] YoseiOnmyoji welp, the Myoren Temple was built on an Indian Graveyard
[23:04] Mana It's probably more 'The Myouren Temple LANDED on an Indian Graveyard'.
[23:06] YoseiOnmyoji so, you're saying, an UFO landed on a graveyard and the zombies rose up? So it's like, Touhou Plan 9 from Outer Makai, final boss is Lugosi B?la
[23:07] YoseiOnmyoji this is the BEST GAME OF ALL TIME
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Sanae is really a good girl, and polite and awesome and LOVE.
That's just further proof that Sanae was, is, and most likely always will be a racist.
/snickers
e2: Gotta go with Ammy with this one, Sanae really needs someone to teach her to chill out a little. Difference between her and Reimu are slight as far as I can tell though; I guess Reimu's simply more of a "nothing personal it's just my job" kind of person at best, while Sanae does it because she thinks that's what people do.
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So, whats every player charas special abilities? Youmu was translated right as we saw her picture on ZUN's Blog, Reimu seems to auto-collect spirits in Trance mode but what else is there?
The wiki doesn't seem to say anything about it yet.
Bump.
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Is it just me or does the stage 3 theme sound very similar to a track on the second Strange and Bright Nature Deity CD called "In Regards to Fairy Brilliance"?
Not sure why ZUN would remix a theme of the Fairies into a cemetery stage theme. :V
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gae1yfwdR2g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk7Ym7cbV0o
Hm. Not hearing a lot of similarities there. Maybe the rhythm?
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Bump.
I was gonna bump the same thing. Has been asked multiple times but nobody answers :(
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Finally captured Miyako's final spell card.
Only to have the game crash because she tried to eat the souls in her death animation >.>
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What do you guys mean by "special ability"? If you mean what I think you mean, it's all on the Wiki.
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Yoshika's last card is a devil to capture. If you can't get to all the spirits, then you have to make sure you're hitting her constantly in order to stand a chance. If you let up for a second, show's over. The only one I haven't done it with yet is Youmu; her charge shot is a little tricky for me to use properly.
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What do you guys mean by "special ability"? If you mean what I think you mean, it's all on the Wiki.
They mean like in in, border team has a large deathbomb window, ghosts start stages with at least 1 bomb, sdm keeps a bomb on death (iirc), malice... Uhhh, bigger poc area? I forget.
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Oh, that. Yeah, I guess that'll come with time. I asked very early on for a shot-strength analysis, which is still pending. I can wait.
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Marisa gets to PoC on IN without having to focus at low power. Solo Alice, unlike other teams where both members have the team ability while solo, does not get this ability. But almost no one plays solo anyway, and definitely not with useless Alice.
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OH MY GAWD, LIEK, SOLID PROOF THAT MIMA'S IN 10D! (http://my.deviantart.com/messages/#/d3ay48w)
Ok, this was unecessary but you have to admit it's funny.
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aaaaaaaaaaa
Diggin' the title theme, aggressive beat + drumset from DS = :geddan:
...that's not to mention the Stage 1 theme... gotta get loops of these for my iPod.
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I really think this one has a good mix of different aspects of the previous games. Four characters and a shot type per each like in IN and MS, using focus for a different shot type, Youmu's charge attack, and collecting items for 1-ups directly dropped from fallen enemies and after spell cards for bosses instead of risking life and limb for a single UFO (oh the nightmares that gave me at times).
Yuyuko just showing up for kicks simply made my day. It's just her style to be around for a little bit of playful silliness, too. "Hi! I'm bored! Let's have some fun!" Kogasa's power to surprise people has reached meta levels twice now, and I don't mind her showing up. I'm far from the biggest Kogasa fan out there, but she's too durn cute for me to be upset.
I am leaning towards Yoshika as my favorite between her and Kyouko thus far. However, this is almost exclusively based on powers and appearance right now. Kyouko looks rather plain, Yoshika looks downright ridiculous. Being a bit scatterbrained (does she even have them left? Oh yuck bad thought) always amuses me too. Still, the characters are far from fully fleshed out in both canon and especially fanon yet.
I just don't have anything negative to say thus far. Glitches are there and I could argue that one of Kyoko's spell cards is a little too easy, but that's readily alleviated for a final version.
Stage 4 boss gimick: Reimu and Sanae face Myouren. Marisa and Youmu face Youki.
:V
Considering how they're both pretty awesome, I approve.OH MY GAWD, LIEK, SOLID PROOF THAT MIMA'S IN 10D! (http://my.deviantart.com/messages/#/d3ay48w)
From the wiki: Yuyuko - 何か、厄介な奴が復活しそうとか - I wager some troublesome individual will make a return.
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From the wiki: Yuyuko - 何か、厄介な奴が復活しそうとか - I wager some troublesome individual will make a return.
I wouldn't consider that solid proof, since there have been many, many troublesome individuals in the past, but there's a pretty good chance it's Mima. It could also be Shinki, for all I know.
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I wouldn't consider that solid proof, since there have been many, many troublesome individuals in the past, but there's a pretty good chance it's Mima. It could also be Shinki, for all I know.
I know. I just love how a conspiracy theorist could extrapolate it directly to Mima, though. It's a wonderfully mischievous statement.
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Even though I'm all up for Mima coming back, "making a return" doesn't necessarily mean that it's someone we know. Like Byakuren, it could be someone who was around in the past.
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I know. I just love how a conspiracy theorist could extrapolate it directly to Mima, though. It's a wonderfully mischievous statement.
ZUN loves to mess with the Mimafag's minds. :3
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Hey, could just as well be that it's Sakuya, getting revenge for not being playable :V
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So yeah, if there's going to be a huge rally somewhere demanding Mima's return, I'd be there, screaming like derp, but in no way will I take it against ZUN if he doesn't add her. After all, more room for new chars, right?
Still, Mima has the prettiest art in the PC-98 series, I'd love to see her Windows-style.
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ZUN loves to mess with the Mimafag's minds. :3
This right here is what I don't get. Do you really believe this?
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This right here is what I don't get. Do you really believe this?
Not really, but the thought entertains me. :3
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Myouren (As a ghost) is going to be the stage 5 boss.
The stage 6 boss is going to be some evil youkai (or maybe an evil human) he had to seal away.
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This right here is what I don't get. Do you really believe this?
zun is such a troll lol XDDDDDDDDD
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Well, Youmu is at least half human (and half human ghost), and notice how her tone changes when she discovers Kyouko is youkai.
The part that gets me is how she apparently thinks "monk" and "youkai" are mutually exclusive despite like half the people she met in UFO being youkai and either a monk, a servant of a god, or a nun (arguably). She even says this at the temple where they all set up shop. This throws it more towards the unconsciously racist side; she has her idea of how youkai are and humans are, and she's sticking to it counterexamples be damned.
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Myouren (As a ghost) is going to be the stage 5 boss.
The stage 6 boss is going to be some evil youkai (or maybe an evil human) he had to seal away.
As much as I'd love to see Myouren, I'm afraid he is of the wrong gender. Perhaps he can pull an Unzan? But then he needs a hitbox...
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As much as I'd love to see Myouren, I'm afraid he is of the wrong gender. Perhaps he can pull an Unzan? But then he needs a hitbox...
ZUN has said before that he intended to have Myouren be the final boss of 12, but he couldn't do that because he didn't want to break the tradition of girls as final bosses.
Meanwhile though we're headed into the graveyard behind the Myouren temple.
As said I doubt he'll be the final boss - but a stage 4/5 boss (or an extra boss) is not completely out of the question.
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Character abilities, because someone asked.
Reimu:
In the spirit world, the small spirits will gather automatically. (I'm guessing, she sucks up the little spirits)
Small hitbox.
Marisa:
In the spirit world, high damage and movement speed.
Easy to gather items.
Sanae:
Spirit gauge refills quickly.
Youmu:
Focused movement hitbox is extremely small.
High damage in the spirit world.
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Sanae:
Spirit gauge refills quickly.
Sanae confirmed for best at scoring.
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Youmu:
Focused movement hitbox is extremely small.
High damage in the spirit world.
Well, at least somebody besides Reimu can have a small hitbox this time.
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ZUN has said before that he intended to have Myouren be the final boss of 12, but he couldn't do that because he didn't want to break the tradition of girls as final bosses.
Meanwhile though we're headed into the graveyard behind the Myouren temple.
As said I doubt he'll be the final boss - but a stage 4/5 boss (or an extra boss) is not completely out of the question.
While I'd be fine with Myouren this time around chances are that the people in the graveyard have no direct connection to the temple. The temple is just where the Myouren crew decided to set up shop in Gensoukyo, not thier old stomping grounds.
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Is it just me, or is the music looping too quickly this time around? :(
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Sanae confirmed for best at scoring.
And survival, depending on how you time your trance.
And BOY does she fill up quickly; managed to jack that meter up by ONE WHOLE ICON in the opening wave alone.
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And survival, depending on how you time your trance.
And BOY does she fill up quickly; managed to jack that meter up by ONE WHOLE ICON in the opening wave alone.
Doesn't it start with 1 icon?
EDIT: Nevemrind, I get what you mean.
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Is anyone able to get a smaller screen resolution?
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I can pretty much only get it to play in windowed. Anything I put in full screen causes a horrible mess.
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I dunno. No matter what resolution I choose, I keep getting fullscreen.
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Sanae confirmed for best at scoring.
Reimu's homing is proving much more useful.
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Anyone getting a glitch where they can't move left while holding focus + shoot?
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Anyone getting a glitch where they can't move left while holding focus + shoot?
Its probably keyboard wiring. Like how sometimes, I tend to move left while the keys are on right.
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Vicks, I had that problem with Fairy Wars. Haven't noticed it here yet.
I also haven't had any resolution problems. I've used it both windowed and fullscreen succesfully.
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Went wtf at yuyuko
And "ZUN you troll" at kogasa
Secksee game so far. sadly it's crashing in crossover/wine.
I'm gonna expect something like "Kogasa will appear in the next game" as a new meme.
And now.... TOUHOU 14 SPECULAT-*shot*
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Went wtf at yuyuko
It seems like ZUN is trying to make Stage 1s more memorable, first with UFO where Nazrin was actually related to plot and reappears in stage 5 and now this in TD. :o
Also, omg awesome, surprise Kogasa appearance =D.
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I dunno. No matter what resolution I choose, I keep getting fullscreen.
Just press F10 after the game started up.
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Do you guys remember that replay bug? It was really a stage one replay bug. Stage 2 and Stage 3 started up fine however, if you beat stage 1 in replay mode, the replay is now broken meaning stage practices. However, it doesn't save score but it saves your life stocks, bombs and power points.
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I've played it, and I must say I'm amazed by some things while disappointed about others here.
the athmosphere for instance, it's just amazing. it starts out fittingly during the difficulty selection screen. Very dark, with a serious mood, with a little beauty mixed in it. That stage one theme is just so beautiful. And the background, too. Just about all backgrounds in this game are great. Same goes for the stage 3 theme, it fits perfectly with the background. Cold and dark, low-pitched strings and piano. Amazin'.
Now, as for the gameplay... well fuck, grabbing those orbs is annoying and dangerous. and you die easily despite the lower difficulty of this game. The danmaku of the bosses seems extremely crappy to me. Probably the lowest quality i've come accross in an official touhou game till now. Even Double Spoiler had better cards.
And now, the boss themes. They all sound alike. They all abuse the same intervals and are barely memorable to me. So yeah, I don't really like them.
The players? It's great having 4 playable characters. Their graphics get more amazing with every game. Unfortunately there isn't any new gimmick in them. Reimu has the homing stuff, marisa has a non-penetrating laser with an earrape sound effect, Sanae has a spreadish shot, and youmu has stalker familiars and a charge slash from pofv. They are sufficient for playing this game however, so I don't really mind that.
The characters are p cool. I'm glad ZUN decided to bring back some characters. Like Yuyuko. But isn't it sad, getting downgraded? I think not. It's quite amazing she even made it to a new shooting game. Stage 2 boss is quite cute~ and so is the stage 3 boss. who is quite an interesting character and has a bit too many similarities to Meiling. Oh wait, it IS meiling....
nya
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I can pretty much only get it to play in windowed. Anything I put in full screen causes a horrible mess.
I can only do 640x480 in full screen. If I choose any other resolution it loads windowed mode then crashes.
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640x480 is the only fullscreen resolution, as usual.
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Myouren (As a ghost) is going to be the stage 5 boss.
The stage 6 boss is going to be some evil youkai (or maybe an evil human) he had to seal away.
I think a final boss who is actually evil would be just as tradition breaking as a male final boss IMO. Though it's possible evil in gensokyo means evil as much as exterminate means pre-teaparty friendly sparring.
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We've had an evil final boss before, if you count the partially resurrected Yuyuko acting on behalf of the Saigyou Ayakashi. I don't want a male final boss, though. Stage five, okay, stage six, no. And definitely not for the extra stage.
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I really love some of Kyouko's cards. I don't know why people find the cards bad...
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Is Youmu the only char with a charge shot? Or am I not searching hard enough?
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ちーかよーるなー
(http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3749/syamu.png) (http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/4894/korewazonbii.png)
took forever; blank BG ... as usual
:fail:
goddamn man why are you not drawing cutins for me :derp: :derp:
So ... the end of April then ? :V
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^ You, sir, deserve an infinite amount of cookies.
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The issue with the dialogue being unable to be scrolled through seems to happen whenever you beat the demo once.
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Yep, she's got a good complexion for a zombie, alright (and Reimu knows all about that yes? Proof that ZUN is keeping an eye on us)
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Oh man, I'm enjoying TH13 Hard Mode more than any other Hard Mode in the series. Words can't describe how awesome it is. :ohdear:
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I seem to have a bug where, if I go into trance from dying or manually triggering, the background remains as the hyper mode background until the end of the stage, even during spellcards.
Is there a fix?
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i293/Arcengal/trance.jpg)
Also, thank God spell practice is in this game, or zombie-girl would make me rage beyond imagination.
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(http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3749/syamu.png) (http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/4894/korewazonbii.png)
:o
Not gonna sleep tonight, or ever again....
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Went wtf at yuyuko
Hey Guyz remember when stage 1 bosses had 2 spellcardz!?
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Try mixing trancemode and the regular version of a song and you get new song. Stage 1 and Yuyuko's theme sound so much better this way.
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Amazing zombie girl
You never disappoint. Thank you so much for your fast work! Gonna try and make a desktop background with this, if you don't mind.
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That reminds me: has ZUN just not implemented Spell Practice yet or is there something wrong?
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It's a demo.
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BAM!
Ghostly Lead arrange (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTPAbTjhEEk&feature=feedlik)
Touhou fandom works fast.
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One thing I noticed while playing 10D was that killing off the fairies immediately spawned more souls while fairies that are in the screen for quite some time will not drop souls. Especially at Midboss Stage when you need the manual trance to get some score out of the fairy.
So, it means that Reimu's homing shots are way better for scoring than Sanae IMO.
Or maybe somebody has already said this before, i"m too lazy to actually look.
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/snickers
e2: Gotta go with Ammy with this one, Sanae really needs someone to teach her to chill out a little. Difference between her and Reimu are slight as far as I can tell though; I guess Reimu's simply more of a "nothing personal it's just my job" kind of person at best, while Sanae does it because she thinks that's what people do.
Nah, I dunno why people see this as racism and such. All these fights and stuff in Gensokyo imo are just like a game with two factions. Think of WoW for example, where you're like a Troll, doing your stuff and making da mojo flowing, and then an Ally comes up ganking you. You kind of die, but return, and you gank dem Ally back. There's no racism or facism here, it's just how the game works, nothing personal. And Sanae happens to be a PvP player. :V
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ちーかよーるなー
Yessss :o
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One thing I noticed while playing 10D was that killing off the fairies immediately spawned more souls while fairies that are in the screen for quite some time will not drop souls. Especially at Midboss Stage when you need the manual trance to get some score out of the fairy.
Yup, I noticed it too. Also, chaining kills nets more gray souls.
Speaking of which, Hard Mode fairies tend to spawn double the souls compared to Easy and Normal - I've been able to manually trigger Trance twice in a stage more frequently since I've made the switch to Hard. Can anyone confirm this?
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Speaking of which, Hard Mode fairies tend to spawn double the souls compared to Easy and Normal - I've been able to manually trigger Trance twice in a stage more frequently since I've made the switch to Hard. Can anyone confirm this?
Yes. Which is exactly why I managed to fill up a whole icon in the opening wave using Sanae.
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Nah, I dunno why people see this as racism and such. All these fights and stuff in Gensokyo imo are just like a game with two factions. Think of WoW for example, where you're like a Troll, doing your stuff and making da mojo flowing, and then an Ally comes up ganking you. You kind of die, but return, and you gank dem Ally back. There's no racism or facism here, it's just how the game works, nothing personal. And Sanae happens to be a PvP player. :V
Like that's any better. For example what would you think if you were just chillin with your umbrella self; farming the graveyard zone, and all of a sudden the same bitch who pk'ed me twice in UFO shows up. Not this again,I don't even have new spell cards. And she is all like "you don't have new spell cards, you suxxors." Well sorry I'm not some level 5 boss type with two gods in my guild. Long story short she ganks me again and takes all my stuff. Man someone needs to get an admin on her.
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Like that's any better. For example what would you think if you were just chillin with your umbrella self; farming the graveyard zone, and all of a sudden the same bitch who pk'ed me twice in UFO shows up. Not this again,I don't even have new spell cards. And she is all like "you don't have new spell cards, you suxxors." Well sorry I'm not some level 5 boss type with two gods in my guild. Long story short she ganks me again and takes all my stuff. Man someone needs to get an admin on her.
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<umbr3lla_gurl> you there?
<BEER-IS-LIFE> yeah im here wats up
<umbr3lla_gurl> you know theres someone on teh server usin cheats?
<BEER-IS-LIFE> wtf?
<umbr3lla_gurl> yeah, that bish "youkai_r_scum" again
<umbr3lla_gurl> i thought u banned her
<BEER-IS-LIFE> lol who told u that?
<umbr3lla_gurl> the tengu told me u got my emails about her griefin meh and that u would ban her
<umbr3lla_gurl> shes srsly overpowered its sick and she keeps at me
<BEER-IS-LIFE> lol cry more nub
<umbr3lla_gurl> ;_:
<umbr3lla_gurl> srs im not like the rest of them you know its not like i can just sit her grindin 24/7 or w/e
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<umbr3lla_gurl> ...
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* <umbr3lla_gurl> has signed out
<BEER-IS-LIFE> lol bye
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So ... the end of April then ? :V
/me points to sig
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ちーかよーるなー
(http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3749/syamu.png) (http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/4894/korewazonbii.png)
You, sir, have won the internet.
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We've had an evil final boss before, if you count the partially resurrected Yuyuko acting on behalf of the Saigyou Ayakashi. I don't want a male final boss, though. Stage five, okay, stage six, no. And definitely not for the extra stage.
Sorry, doesn't count. It's not it's own character, and The amount of fan content based on a tree in a series such as doomed to be far less significant than a defacto new character.
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Utsuho can be considered the first evil final boss because she wanted to take over the world using her nuclear powers.
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What about Shinki? :derp:
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Utsuho can be considered the first evil final boss because she wanted to take over the world using her nuclear powers.
I don't remember this at all in SA. Did it come from print works? I didn't really see her as evil whilst playing the game, I mean didn't she apologize to Reimu for the whole geyser thing, saying she can't help it anymore or some such? In any case, she's dumb, so maybe evil is really just thoughtlessness.
I give you it's possible though. IMO fanon portrays her as a dumb birdbrain who may be loyal to satori (not necessarily though, the loyalty part I mean).
I really wish I read the print works, but I just didn't enjoy the one I DID read.
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What about Shinki? :derp:
shinki was just lazy
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I don't remember this at all in SA. Did it come from print works? I didn't really see her as evil whilst playing the game, I mean didn't she apologize to Reimu for the whole geyser thing, saying she can't help it anymore or some such? In any case, she's dumb, so maybe evil is really just thoughtlessness.
I give you it's possible though. IMO fanon portrays her as a dumb birdbrain who may be loyal to satori (not necessarily though, the loyalty part I mean).
I really wish I read the print works, but I just didn't enjoy the one I DID read.
Uh.... From Reimu+Yukari team
Utsuho: "Once I beat you, I'm going to go above
ground to test out this power of mine.
Hohoho, that pathetic place will be
reborn as a new Blazing Hell! "
Utsuho, Tenshi and possibly Yuyuko are all evil Touhou bosses. Utsuho was going to burn the world due to a sudden fit of power overloading her brain. Yuyuko might have killed the village out of boredom depending on how the essence of spring power worked. (If it got used up from her little ritual....) And Tenshi's casual manipulation of weather and murdering of ghosts actually did ruin the villages harvest in canon (see UFO intro), making her the most destructive windows Touhou boss and quite possibly the only one with a body count from in game activities.
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What about Mima?
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I don't remember this at all in SA. Did it come from print works? I didn't really see her as evil whilst playing the game, I mean didn't she apologize to Reimu for the whole geyser thing, saying she can't help it anymore or some such? In any case, she's dumb, so maybe evil is really just thoughtlessness.
I give you it's possible though. IMO fanon portrays her as a dumb birdbrain who may be loyal to satori (not necessarily though, the loyalty part I mean).
I really wish I read the print works, but I just didn't enjoy the one I DID read.
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Subterranean_Animism/Translation/Reimu_and_Yukari%27s_Scenario
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Subterranean_Animism/Translation/Reimu_and_Aya%27s_Scenario
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Subterranean_Animism/Translation/Marisa_and_Patchouli%27s_Scenario
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Subterranean_Animism/Translation/Marisa_and_Nitori%27s_Scenario
Okay, it's actually wanting to destroy the world, and that's even eviler...
EDIT: Ninja'd...
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Well now, I'm pleased. I found a new Trance path through Stage 1 for Reimu. It's quite hard to pull off, but it improved my previous base Point value by 2000 (http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/2826/tendesirestrialstage1im.jpg). And I still could have gotten several hundred more if I remembered that Yuyuko moved on her second nonspell. ::)
I myself am anxious to see how each character ranks in scoring potential for the full version. They all seem to have their own advantages, but which one's stengths will outweigh the rest? Reimu's homing shot can kill almost every enemies and be able to collect them quickly, Marisa's Trance is ridiculously strong, Sanae can probably kill more enemies than Reimu (don't know this for sure), and Youmu... well, perhaps proper timing of the charge shot can keep enemies dropping gray spirits in a chain, not sure.
I don't care if I got ninja'd on this, I want to emphasize the point:
I don't remember this at all in SA.
It's all on the Wiki dude. Just check each character's Stage 6 scenario. Sure, she's more drunk on power than anything else, since she goes back to normal after you beat her, but in the context of her boss fight alone, she can be counted as evil (think about it, is wanting to burn up everyone and everything not a messed-up mindset?).
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So, uhh... When dos the hacking and translation patching start? :D
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"youkai_r_scum"
Hahahahah.
Yuyuko might have killed the village out of boredom depending on how the essence of spring power worked. (If it got used up from her little ritual....)
Where is this, again? I forgot. :<
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shinki was just lazy
Residents of Makai start rampaging through Gensokyo, and the solution is to rampage through Makai and work your way to the top? Given her godlike status, Shinki probably felt like she had to teach you a lesson. I doubt she would be that eager to just give Reimu and co. the satisfaction. In order for a character to be properly evil, their motives have to be malicious. As far as I know, every boss character other than PoFV would have caused some severe damage had things kept going as they were. I don't know of any bosses whose motives really were malicious, but I haven't played any of the games MoF and beyond to the end. If Utsuho's aim was to destroy the world, that is probably malicious. As far as I know Tenshi was just fooling around, and Yuyuko was just being selfish.
I love this demo. The characters are very fun to play from Sanae's spread to Youmu's slash, to Marisa being Marisa. Seeing Yuyuko as a stage one boss was a real treat and really heightened my expectations for the other bosses. I was surprised by Kogasa's appearance in stage 3, I enjoyed the echo gimmick used by the stage 2 boss and Yoshiko's kinda cool even if her danmaku is annoying. I am also enjoying where this story is headed, I'm not going to get involved in the speculation though it'll be fun just to watch from the sidelines. The best part is that this has the old credit system back. The reason I haven't played MoF, SA, or UFO to the end is because I'd rather have limited credits and spread them out however I want than be forced to take every stage with three lives after losing the first credit.
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Where is this, again? I forgot. :<
Uh PCB. If her little resurrection bit had used up all the spring for the year that would leave Gensoukyo village in a rather sorry state.
Of course we players don't know what might have happened (or even what is possible to happen) since there's no real explanation for what happens to spring energy when used. But Yuyuko's SWR scenario shows kinda a casual disregard for the damage Tenshi is causing.
Oh. That reminds me. Ibara Kasen's in the evil running for murdering enough ghosts to get Komachi to actually go over and tell her off.
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Well, Yuyuko's dead. It's not like she has much to loose on earth.
Besides, her only responsability is to take care of the ghosts in the Netherworld.
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Uh PCB. If her little resurrection bit had used up all the spring for the year that would leave Gensoukyo village in a rather sorry state.
Oh, hahahah, you got me! I actually thought that was actually stated in canon for a moment! :flowerpower:
Besides, her only responsability is to take care of the ghosts in the Netherworld.
To be fair, she was shirking that responsibility for a while.
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Someone really should make GIF of Yoshika. And then caption it with "INVISIBLE STEERING WHEEL". And then make Mickey Mouse steering wheel scene style (i hope you all know what i mean) crossover.
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Someone really should make GIF of Yoshika. And then caption it with "INVISIBLE STEERING WHEEL". And then make Mickey Mouse steering wheel scene style (i hope you all know what i mean) crossover.
You mean Steam Boat Yoshika-chan
? :getdown:
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You mean Steam Boat Yoshika-chan
? :getdown:
:] YES :]
That's basically the first thing (after INVISIBLE STEERING WHEEL caption) that came to my mind when i first saw her sprite. It almost looks like intentional reference.
Edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Steamboat-willie.jpg
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Oh, hahahah, you got me! I actually thought that was actually stated in canon for a moment!
The prologue says that there were still snowstorms even though it's May. While not as bad as what Tenshi did, she did presumably screw the farmers out of part of the growing season.
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funny how Sanae's said to be racist, when the Moriya shrine has parties with them just like they would with humans, except they don't go there (a fact that made the Moriya shrine members to come to Gensokyo, too). Sanae's "tone changing" may just be that she doesn't want to fight monks (or even doesn't want to fight someone related to Byakuren), maybe due to their peaceful behavior (and maybe due to them not being responsible for the incident). Or maybe to avoid creating a misunderstanding between the Myouren temple and the Moriya shrine.
Funny, also, how people like to mention Sanae treating Kogasa like a scum, but forget that this would also "apply" to Marisa and Reimu, when they say they were going to beat the youkai Kogasa speaks off, together with Kogasa herself.
About the game itself, I imagine people will focus on getting high point item value on the first stages on the full version, at the expense of Yuyuko's spellcard captures, with bombs and hypers (faster fire rate with hypers should yield more and better base point item increase). Anyone else, besides myself, is bombing the stage 1 midboss on Normal (because in Lunatic you gain more spirits and fill your gauge faster, making this unneccessary) for using hyper near the end of the stage? :D
Also, if you try to sacrifice bombs for hypers (and then lives for bombs), or even if you don't sacrifice bombs or lives, the game appears to give you less extends than normal (stage 3 midboss doesn't give it, for example). Maybe there are some strategic places for hypering for the extends, after the stage 3 midboss, though.. (and maybe the game makes you focus on what type of spirit you want, too..)
Does some of stage 3's enemies change which type of spirit (color) they would yield, based on how late you kill them? And how's Reimu's shots useful for score, besides helping keep the chain on the 2nd, 3rd and 4th waves on stage 1? (I'm under the impression that I've got better point item values with Marisa and Sanae, due to Marisa's firerate, maybe, and Sanae's amount of shots fired)
Also, has anyone tested if the point-blanking thing is relative to the character's position, or is it relative to the option placement (like it is in Crimzon Clover, where the Gradius-like options from the Type-II ship can be placed over a boss, so that they yield stars while your ship is at a safer distance)?
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funny how Sanae's said to be racist, when the Moriya shrine has parties with them just like they would with humans, except they don't go there (a fact that made the Moriya shrine members to come to Gensokyo, too).
Just as a point of accuracy: there were no youkai visiting the shrine before they came to Gensokyo. And it was Kanako who wanted youkai faith; not Sanae.
Apart from that, yes, it's open to interpretation. I was not entirely serious in calling Sanae "racist" - I believe I said I was glib - but she is indisputably zealous when it comes to youkai hunting, at least more so than another shrine maiden.
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:U
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So yeah my bro Kommisar whipped this up earlier
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxbh1bHyRus
<Rain Lindwurm> Here's the MoTK thread with a link to the site where you can get the .mp3 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9044.0.html) and tell him how awesome he is.
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NO JACK YOU ARE THE YOUKAI
AND THEN JACK WAS A ZOMBIE
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Just as a point of accuracy: there were no youkai visiting the shrine before they came to Gensokyo. And it was Kanako who wanted youkai faith; not Sanae.
Apart from that, yes, it's open to interpretation. I was not entirely serious in calling Sanae "racist" - I believe I said I was glib - but she is indisputably zealous when it comes to youkai hunting, at least more so than another shrine maiden.
Sanae's Ten Desires profile states that she was worried about becoming too youkai-like since she spent so much time around them, so her zeal in youkai-hunting may come from that. I'll also mention how one of Sanae's cards (Double Spoiler EX-9) was created specifically for youkai-extermination, but Hatate comments how it makes her seem more like a youkai along with it.
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You never disappoint. Thank you so much for your fast work! Gonna try and make a desktop background with this, if you don't mind.
Not at all. Sorry for not giving her a proper BG, though :3
/me points to sig
Nice, break starts on Apr 22 as well. I can probably do this :3
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Nice, break starts on Apr 22 as well. I can probably do this :3
Hell yeah BV
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Yaay, third lunatic 1cc, second with Sanae.
Yaaay, game crashed because of the oft-mentioned Yoshika bug. First time that's happened to me. ZUN has a lot to fix by the full version, huh?
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So~nanoka~
And Jack doesn't die this time, because (s)he's already dead. :3
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The prologue says that there were still snowstorms even though it's May. While not as bad as what Tenshi did, she did presumably screw the farmers out of part of the growing season.
It all depends on Gensokyo's climate. Depending on how much spring was returned to Gensokyo, the planting season might have even been extended longer than its usual to make up for the original loss. Depends, too, on the original crops-- I am honestly not familiar enough with rice to know how long into the season they can be planted without huge losses.
Blocking out the sun with red mist, though, that's a fair bit more dangerous. Maybe not to the crops-- phytochrome in plants responds to red light best, after all-- but EoSD's prologue clearly states that a normal human would only survive for about 30 minutes in that fog. I wonder how many humans died from that. At least as many as it took to discover that 30 minutes was fatal.
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Bah, it would be great to play as an evil youkai for once. I really doubt ZUN is going to make that happen, though. :V
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Bah, it would be great to play as an evil youkai for once. I really doubt ZUN is going to make that happen, though. :V
1. Play Soku
2. Pick Okuu
3. 5C all day
4. :trollface:
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Well there is a reason I qualified Yuyuko as a might. We have no idea how magically concentrating spring works. It could indeed have magically boosted crops after being released because... well it's magic.
Blocking out the sun with red mist, though, that's a fair bit more dangerous. Maybe not to the crops-- phytochrome in plants responds to red light best, after all-- but EoSD's prologue clearly states that a normal human would only survive for about 30 minutes in that fog. I wonder how many humans died from that. At least as many as it took to discover that 30 minutes was fatal.
Huh, that is odd. Didn't remember that part of the prologue. How the heck did Sakuya manage to survive in that then? Or for that matter Patchouli and Meiling? And why were there humans around the house by the lake in the middle of youkai territory to test this?
Actually now that I think about it why was the Misty Lake in stage 2 clear blue and sunny?
Maybe PCB and EoSD are bad examples.
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YES
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Well there is a reason I qualified Yuyuko as a might. We have no idea how magically concentrating spring works. It could indeed have magically boosted crops after being released because... well it's magic.
Huh, that is odd. Didn't remember that part of the prologue. How the heck did Sakuya manage to survive in that then? Or for that matter Patchouli and Meiling? And why were there humans around the house by the lake in the middle of youkai territory to test this?
Actually now that I think about it why was the Misty Lake in stage 2 clear blue and sunny?
Maybe PCB and EoSD are bad examples.
Well, Patchouli's a full-fledged magician, so she might be exempt, or maybe she'd concocted a spell to protect herself.
As for Meiling...She's a youkai, isn't she? Though she doesn't have some super epic ability like most, she still happens to BE one, I think. Don't quote me on that though.
And Sakuya? Maybe the effects of tampering with time made her able to withstand it for longer and/or negate it? Or somehow she was able to stretch time so she could do whatever needed to be done outside? (Or she coulda made a fairy do the shopping she might've needed to have done, etc.)
Upon Misty Lake: THIS one's kinda hard to think of a workaround to. Maybe there's just some sort of magic about THAT mist that stops things from messing with its environment?
Also, as for humans testing things... Humans can be pretty stupid sometimes, hm? About as good an explanation as any.
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When I saw Miyako, I thought "Welcome to McDonalds!" for some reason.
Also, I didn't really like the music at first, but it's starting to grow on me, like how UFO's music did.
EDIT: Miyako's arms make me think of "steering wheel" instead of "zombie." Lmao.
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When I saw Miyako, I thought "Welcome to McDonalds!" for some reason.
Welcome to McDonalds! (http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=602270)
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Well, Patchouli's a full-fledged magician, so she might be exempt, or maybe she'd concocted a spell to protect herself.
As for Meiling...She's a youkai, isn't she?
The prologue also says that the mist would be fatal to nonhumans in about 30 minutes as well. No casualties are noted, and it only says that being in it would be bad, so maybe Reimu and Marisa are first on the scene. Note also that the faeries in stage 3 aren't affected either. Maybe it was a high-altitude thing, and ground level was clear.
EoSD isn't as big on internal logic as the other games. There's the stage 2 thing, yes, and also Remilia's motivation. The other final bosses that have goals try to achieve them using some logical means. Mima wants revenge on Reimu, so she provokes her and sets an ambush. Eirin wants to protect Eientei from the Lunarians and chooses to create a planetary-scale barrier. The Moriya crew needs to gather faith, leading to an ill-advised hostile takeover attempt. Utsuho wants to burn the world down with her fusion power. Remilia Scarlet wants to take a relaxing stroll outside during the day using chemical warfare.
But yes. 10D. Youmu's charged slash isn't always practical, but it's so bloody fun to use. The feeling of anticipation while you wait for several groups of enemies to cross paths so you can waste them all is just delectable.
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I am disappoint at the lack of Mystia x Kyouko.
:fail:
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Youmu's charged slash isn't always practical, but it's so bloody fun to use. The feeling of anticipation while you wait for several groups of enemies to cross paths so you can waste them all is just delectable.
yes BV
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One of the biggest complaints I've seen about Youmu's shot is how close to the boss you have to be, but I find I can hit the boss just fine from the bottom of the screen with full power.
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Sanae's Ten Desires profile states that she was worried about becoming too youkai-like since she spent so much time around them, so her zeal in youkai-hunting may come from that. I'll also mention how one of Sanae's cards (Double Spoiler EX-9) was created specifically for youkai-extermination, but Hatate comments how it makes her seem more like a youkai along with it.
I have to say that's quite an irony and maybe some sort of to it, panicking about looking like a youkai makes you look even more like a youkai.
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I just remembered the reason why I thought it was most likely that it would be either Mima as the final boss or a new character who would share at least a few traits with Mima.
Well, this relies pretty heavily on how ZUN tends to do things, and I admit that a good bit of it is according to my interpretation of things. I am not saying that you must agree with me. And I am most certainly NOT saying that ZUN owes us anything. In all actuality, I do not think there's a huge chance of Mima's return in this game and I'm perfectly fine with it if she doesn't show up. From the looks of things, I'm quite certain I will love the final boss of this game whether it is Mima or not.
However, I am a fan of Mima regardless, so I felt the need to type up some more reasons why she may indeed show up.
First of all, it's actually rather uncommon that ZUN ever makes two of the same species of supernatural/mythical being (I would have used "youkai" here but I wanted to be more broad about it). Think about all the characters that have been introduced so far, most of them are all one of a kind. Not only that, when I think of the ones who aren't one of a kind (Aya, Hatate, Momiji come to mind), only one of the characters in the group is actually given much in the way of development or use at all by ZUN. It's the same with the Oni, there is one of them who was given much focus in many of ZUN's games and was a final boss (Suika) and then there is another who just happened to be roaming the streets of the Ancient City in TH11 and who has gotten so little focus that her power has not even been properly explained (Really, you have any idea what "manipulation of supernatural phenomena" means for Yuugi? Cause I sure don't).
Now to get to exactly what group Mima would fit in. Yes, she's a ghost (well, spirit is probably more accurate but...), and one would ordinarily think that Yuyuko has taken her place when it comes to what I've said in the previous paragraph. However the truth is that she's an entirely different kind of ghost. Here, I like to use this quote:
http://www.asianart.com/articles/rubin/ Most creatures in stories of unfortunate spirits were women. They were vengeful ghosts, and the greater the misery endured by the woman during her lifetime, the more threatening her ghostly spirits would be after her death. Cruelty to women is a recurring theme in Japanese lore and legend.
It should be easy to see that this cannot possibly describe anyone but Mima in all of Touhou. Yuyuko is completely carefree and never held a grudge that we know of. It's to the extent that the only time we've seen her honestly giving a real shit about anything was in TH7 and that was out of sheer curiosity. Murasa also never held a grudge as far as we can see. She attacked humans for the sole purpose of gaining infamy so that she could become a youkai and break free of the ocean she was cursed to haunt.
Mima is in fact the only TRULY malicious final boss in all of Touhou thus far. I'm talking about motives, not actions. As you all know, Tenshi was bored. Remilia wanted to walk around outside. Okuu was driven insane by her power. Yuyuko was curious about who was supposed to be resurrected when the Saigyou Ayakashi bloomed.
Mima however wanted revenge on the entire human race. She may not be the kind of Evil Spirit we've been seeing lately (怨霊 onryou) but she is an Evil Spirit (悪霊 akuryou). Why would she be called that? Well, let's look up what the first kanji that was used for Mima's version of the word means. This tends to be synonymous with malice, hatred, wickedness, spite. What I'm trying to say is that she is a "Vengeful Spirit." Even though her memories are gone, her emotions of hatred remain. She doesn't even remember the reason for her hatred, and yet she still desires to exact her revenge on the entire human race.
I sincerely doubt you can find a single character in all of Touhou that is that malicious, that has been explicitly stated to desire revenge so greatly and has attempted to get it. Note the word desire there, because in the context of this game that is quite important. It's because the person behind the incident this time has such a great desire for vengeance that this massive shitstorm of divine spirits has spawned. Read the prologue if you don't believe me.
Now, it's true that it has not been stated that the mastermind behind this is a ghost, only that they desire revenge. We do know however that they are dead, as they have been stated to be awaiting a "resurrection." And if they are not a ghost, well then what are they? ZUN would probably not introduce two Jiang Shi in the same game. We already have two vampires. Maybe they're a lich or something? Eh, I have absolutely no idea. But I do know this:
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Ten_Desires/Translation/Sanae%27s_Scenario We have had life breathed into us by high-class spirits.
Now it's true that the word "spirits" here is plural, and it's also true that Yoshika's brain is rotten so it's difficult to take anything she says at face value. Who even knows exactly what this means.
However, from this quote on the same page: We are jiang shi, born to protect
this magnificent mausoleum.
We can see that these Jiang Shi that are hanging around the mausoleum (including Yoshika) were given their purpose by the one who brought them back to life. That is to say, that's their master. Which means that "master" somehow appears to equate to "high-class spirits." And I think it should be quite obvious that these divine spirits are not considered high-class: from the prologue, it explicitly says that they all tend to fade away shortly after they are created. They're not powerful. They're not capable of doing much of anything.
Now, you might think that, because these divine spirits are the embodiments of people's desires, it could be that the spirits born from the mastermind's desires managed to spawn in such concentrations that the Jiang Shis' corpses were possessed and came back to "life" that way. It would explain why "spirits" is plural, for one thing. But I can't say I agree with that, for this reason:
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Ten_Desires/Translation/Youmu%27s_Scenario A jiang shi with a charm stuck on her head...
That must mean there's a master controlling you.
This is not possession, at least in Yoshika's case. She's being controlled by means of a charm. This is necromancy. And, of course, Jiang Shi are known to be born this way. It is the only method of birth for a Jiang Shi that can fit this criteria that I know of. Look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiang_Shi#How_a_jiangshi_is_created
Of those, do any of them fit this? Only the one that says "The use of supernatural arts to resurrect the dead." And that is what necromancy is.
The next thing to think about is that it's not necessarily true that Yoshika's master is the person mentioned in the prologue. That is a point I cannot argue against, however there is also no argument thus far that can be used to prove or even imply that the two are different. In fact, it's implied that the two are the same because the one in the prologue wishes to be "resurrected" and the heroine went into the mausoleum Yoshika was protecting at the end of Stage 3. Meaning that it's quite likely the last 3 stages will take place in this mausoleum.
Now, yet another thing I want to mention, and thus far I believe I've been the only one to mention this:
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Story_of_Eastern_Wonderland/Translation/Regular_Stages#Stage_4 It's just a little longer until I am completely restored!
This is to say that Mima has already mentioned that she desires a sort of "restoration." One of her plans in TH2 was to use the Hakurei Yin-Yang Orbs for that purpose. Here's the important thing: she failed that time, because Reimu defeated her. She never got a chance to do that. She's still awaiting this "restoration."
Now, I have absolutely no idea whether that "restoration" equates to the "resurrection" mentioned in the TH13 prologue. Restoration could be just about anything, whereas resurrection generally implies that they are dead and seeking to come back to life. Nevertheless, they could very well mean the same thing.
For the people who are saying the person to be resurrected could be Myouren or Youki: ZUN has already stated that he made Byakuren the final boss of TH12 because he thought it would be weird to make an old man the final boss. Meaning he probably won't do that this time either. Also, for Myouren, there has been no indication that he's turned from his faith like Byakuren did. Meaning that he almost definitely won't be too keen on violating the cycle of death and rebirth, and things like that.
If anything though, there is one major thing that puzzles me:
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Ten_Desires/Translation/Youmu%27s_Scenario It is all so that that person shall not be
trampled upon by the temple's inhabitants again!
...As you can see, it's implied that this person's grudge may in fact be at least partially against the people of the Myouren temple. On the other hand, Mima said she wanted revenge against the human race. This does not however prove that the person in question is not Mima, it only makes it harder to prove that it is. But it's still possible.
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Now, yet another thing I want to mention, and thus far I believe I've been the only one to mention this:
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Story_of_Eastern_Wonderland/Translation/Regular_Stages#Stage_4 This is to say that Mima has already mentioned that she desires a sort of "restoration." One of her plans in TH2 was to use the Hakurei Yin-Yang Orbs for that purpose. Here's the important thing: she failed that time, because Reimu defeated her. She never got a chance to do that. She's still awaiting this "restoration."
Now, I have absolutely no idea whether that "restoration" equates to the "resurrection" mentioned in the TH13 prologue. Restoration could be just about anything, whereas resurrection generally implies that they are dead and seeking to come back to life. Nevertheless, they could very well mean the same thing.
She could be referring to Mystic Square :V
...As you can see, it's implied that this person's grudge may in fact be at least partially against the people of the Myouren temple. On the other hand, Mima said she wanted revenge against the human race. This does not however prove that the person in question is not Mima, it only makes it harder to prove that it is. But it's still possible.
This, however, completely ruins the Byakuren x Mima factor in my (abandoned) fanfic. :(
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*Takes a look at the name of the name of Kyouko's last spellcard on Hard and Lunatic*
*Looks at Hatate*
*Idea floats into head*
(http://i51.tinypic.com/11rsmtl.png)
Made with KirbyM's create.swf cause I can't draw.
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^ :getdown:
Oh, regarding the "some troublesome individual's return" thing, everybody keeps saying it's Mima. Does Yuyuko even know Mima in the first place, though ... ?
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Oh, regarding the "some troublesome individual's return" thing, everybody keeps saying it's Mima. Does Yuyuko even know Mima in the first place, though ... ?
If we assume her knowledge is restricted to Windows events, no.
If we count the fact that she's about as old as Yukari, highly probable.
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Please ZUN, may that spirit thing just be you being too lazy to think up an original character. You have two old characters return, surely that's enough. And that's not even counting player characters.
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Hmm ... then that narrows down to Yukari, the Lunarians, and Tenshi, those people Yuyuko has known/fought. Yukari and Tenshi are both potentially troublesome, but the latter is irrelevant, so ... :V
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My best guess about a "troublesome person" would be Orin in this case.
Yuyuko never directly fought or met her but Yukari would have encountered her through Reimu in SA. Yukari and Yuyuko probably converse somewhat often considering their friendship.
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Hah Yoshika and Orin was the first pairing i thought of when i saw her.
This comic just about sums that thought up. :V
[nsfw]http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/897425/animal_ears-beret-cat_ears-comic-dress-fusanojou-g[/nsfw]
Danbooru adds.
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Orin should have been Playable instead of Sanae.
It would have been so hilarious.
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I seriously don't remember that in SA, gonna have to play again.
As for yuyu, I don't agree, first off, yuyu is rather difficult to understand, we can't really be sure if she knew or intended to harm anybody during pcb, and even still, that's one scenario. I'm talking about a flat out evil character who was banished/sealed away because of how evil they are. That's what someone mentioned, and THAT kind of evil just doesn't exist in touhou IMO.
Back to yuyu, didn't she get command of the netherworld from a freakin Yama... Because they were impressed with how she behaves with her powers or something? I'm pretty sure a Yama wouldn't do that to an evil person, and they pretty much define who is considered evil or not.
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Something tells me whoever the final boss it, it will be a former enemy/rival of Yuyuko/ Yukari. Someone we haven't seen before. I'm hoping that's the case, as it would complete the circle of events that have been connected to each other since Mountain of Faith.
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Please ZUN, may that spirit thing just be you being too lazy to think up an original character. You have two old characters return, surely that's enough. And that's not even counting player characters.
It may be possible that since it's a trial (as opposed to the demo) it could be a placeholder. For example if kisume happened to be left out of the demo it wouldn't particularly affect our understanding of the story as of that moment.
Either that or we could always just say it's Myon.
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She could be referring to Mystic Square :V
This, however, completely ruins the Byakuren x Mima factor in my (abandoned) fanfic. :(
I don't think she even hinted at anything like that in Mystic Square though. I don't think you can make as big a deal out of her trip to Makai in that game as many people do. In fact, we know for certain that she went back to Gensokyo after the events of TH5. It's in both her good and bad endings. And even if this wasn't the case, Shinki hates her. She's not welcome in Makai, so if you think she's been there all this time, well I can at least say that it's very improbable.
Sorry about your fic though. =/ I actually am somewhat fond of the idea of Byakuren x Mima myself.
My best guess about a "troublesome person" would be Orin in this case.
Yuyuko never directly fought or met her but Yukari would have encountered her through Reimu in SA. Yukari and Yuyuko probably converse somewhat often considering their friendship.
-sigh- Really...? I don't recall Orin wanting revenge for anything, or even being slightly evil. Well, unless if you count the whole stealing corpses thing, but all Kasha do that. As far as we know, she actually has never even been above ground, so what kind of return would she be making? There's also the fact that it's her duty to keep the evil spirits in the old hell under control. She can't just simply leave whenever she wants. Her life is underground, and there's no reason for her to come to the surface. And one more thing. Orin is not dead. There is no need for her to be resurrected.
As for yuyu, I don't agree, first off, yuyu is rather difficult to understand, we can't really be sure if she knew or intended to harm anybody during pcb, and even still, that's one scenario. I'm talking about a flat out evil character who was banished/sealed away because of how evil they are. That's what someone mentioned, and THAT kind of evil just doesn't exist in touhou IMO.
Back to yuyu, didn't she get command of the netherworld from a freakin Yama... Because they were impressed with how she behaves with her powers or something? I'm pretty sure a Yama wouldn't do that to an evil person, and they pretty much define who is considered evil or not.
Exactly. And yes, Yuyu got her position as head of the Netherworld from a Yama. She's not even slightly evil.
This is why I say that Mima is the only character we know of that could really fit the hints we've been getting.
You guys could have mentioned something like this to me:
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Mima#Phantasmagoria_of_Dim.Dream_-_YUMEJIKUU.TXT As she's been an evil spirit for quite a long time, her evilness has completely fallen off from her. Now she enjoys her days making fun of Reimu.
Because that's one of the most obvious things I overlooked when I typed up that wall of text above. I dunno how I forgot it, I certainly didn't mean to, but yeah.
Well, it's still possible it's her though. I'd put the chances at something like this:
30% - Mima
40% - A new Vengeful Ghost type character, or perhaps a Mima expy
30% - Something else
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Please ZUN, may that spirit thing just be you being too lazy to think up an original character. You have two old characters return, surely that's enough. And that's not even counting player characters.
I missed this before.
I get where your coming from, I really do, but with all the 12.x's Zun made recently, AND a spell practice mode for this one (and the double music thing) poor guy kinda has a right (given by me of course hurrr) to be as lazy as be pleases in some areas =p
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-sigh- Really...? I don't recall Orin wanting revenge for anything, or even being slightly evil. Well, unless if you count the whole stealing corpses thing, but all Kasha do that. As far as we know, she actually has never even been above ground, so what kind of return would she be making? There's also the fact that it's her duty to keep the evil spirits in the old hell under control. She can't just simply leave whenever she wants. Her life is underground, and there's no reason for her to come to the surface. And one more thing. Orin is not dead. There is no need for her to be resurrected.
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This is why I say that Mima is the only character we know of that could really fit the hints we've been getting.
You guys could have mentioned something like this to me:
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Mima#Phantasmagoria_of_Dim.Dream_-_YUMEJIKUU.TXT Because that's one of the most obvious things I overlooked when I typed up that wall of text above. I dunno how I forgot it, I certainly didn't mean to, but yeah.
Well, it's still possible it's her though. I'd put the chances at something like this:
30% - Mima
40% - A new Vengeful Ghost type character, or perhaps a Mima expy
30% - Something else
The demo doesn't say that the person desiring the power of the divine spirits is the same person that Yuyuko is talking about. ...but I doubt it would be Orin that Yuyuko is talking about. Doesn't Orin deal with corpses, not spirits? As for the thing Yoshika said about not letting the inhabitants of the temple trample on the person again, wouldn't you consider building a temple basically on top of someone's burial site to be trampling on them?
Also, as for Mima, even though PoDD and MS both say "her evilness has completely fallen off of her", she could very well have gained it back or have pretended to not be so evil anymore. After all, it really wouldn't make much sense for a character to almost immediately lose her evilness after being defeated by Reimu. Then again, it IS Gensokyo, where the impossible is possible, and the possible is possible, too. Personally, I'd like to see a PC-98 character return as a boss here, just so ZUN could acknowledge that it is full canon, but that's just me. I'd be perfectly fine and understanding if it turns out to be an entirely new character.
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Mima confirmed.
(http://i.imgur.com/hgEA1.png)
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Mima confirmed.
(http://i.imgur.com/hgEA1.png)
:teaspit:
Mint, I hate you.
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The demo doesn't say that the person desiring the power of the divine spirits is the same person that Yuyuko is talking about. ...but I doubt it would be Orin that Yuyuko is talking about. Doesn't Orin deal with corpses, not spirits? As for the thing Yoshika said about not letting the inhabitants of the temple trample on the person again, wouldn't you consider building a temple basically on top of someone's burial site to be trampling on them?
Also, as for Mima, even though PoDD and MS both say "her evilness has completely fallen off of her", she could very well have gained it back or have pretended to not be so evil anymore. After all, it really wouldn't make much sense for a character to almost immediately lose her evilness after being defeated by Reimu. Then again, it IS Gensokyo, where the impossible is possible, and the possible is possible, too. Personally, I'd like to see a PC-98 character return as a boss here, just so ZUN could acknowledge that it is full canon, but that's just me. I'd be perfectly fine and understanding if it turns out to be an entirely new character.
I guess I thought the person making a return according to Yuyuko is the same as the person mentioned at the end of the prologue because they're awaiting a resurrection so that they can have their revenge, which would certainly qualify as a "return." Admittedly this does not necessarily mean they are the same person.
Orin does steal corpses, but the spirits that came from the corpses she steals become evil spirits (onryou, not the kind that Mima is). However, evil spirits are quite different from divine spirits, as best as I can tell.
Well, the graveyard is near the temple, not under it. The person in question seems to be in the mausoleum in the graveyard, which is most certainly not under the temple as far as I know, unless of course the tomb is much larger underground than you would think from seeing the structure on the surface. I mean, I guess this could be a possibility, but I don't think I would say it's especially probable.
I can't say whether you're right or not about Mima's evilness falling off of her without going into too much speculation, so I guess I'll leave that as it is. You're right though, having it just suddenly fall off of her makes no sense at all. I would think at least some of her hatred would remain.
Oh, PC-98 is canon. Don't believe me? Look here.
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Reimu#Embodiment_of_Scarlet_Devil_-_.E3.81.8A.E3.81.BE.E3.81.91.txt
Chronologically this title is not too far from the previous title, thus her age stays the same as before.
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Mima confirmed.
(http://i.imgur.com/hgEA1.png)
[...What is this? You just drew this right? You're going to make me shit brix in a minute.]
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Even if Mima comes back, I doubt she'd be the instigator or final boss for this game. It's seems more of ZUN's style to always have a new character be the final boss, anyway. She'd make more sense at Stage 5 or Extra Stage.
But we already know that the Extra Stage boss will be a genie, so at best she'd be the midboss.
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But we already know that the Extra Stage boss will be a genie, so at best she'd be the midboss.
And how do we know that?
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I decided to make the first TH13 related fanfic. It is about Yoshika's life before she died.
Yoshika Miyako waited. The lights above her blinked and sparked out of the air. There were youkai in the mausoleum. She didn't see them, but had expected them now for years. Her warnings to Yuyuko Saigyouji were not listenend to and now it was too late. Far too late for now, anyway.
Yoshika was a youkai exterminator for fourteen years. When she was young she watched the danmaku fights and she said to mom "I want to be in the fights mommy."
Mom said "No! You will BE KILL BY YOUKAI"
There was a time when she believed her. Then as she got oldered she stopped. But now in the mausoleum of the DFC she knew there were youkai.
"This is Saigyouji" the radio crackered. "You must fight the youkai!"
So Yoshika gotted her splel card and blew up the wall.
"SHE GOING TO KILL US" said the youkai
"I will shoot at her" said the ghostyoukai and she fired the lethal danmaku. Yoshika spelled at her and tried to blew her up. But then the ceiling fell and they were trapped and not able to kill.
"No! I must kill the youkai" she shouted
The radio said "No, Yoshika. You are the youkai"
And then Yoshika was a zombie.
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I decided to make the first TH13 related fanfic. It is about Yoshika's life before she died.
Yoshika Miyako waited. The lights above her blinked and sparked out of the air. There were youkai in the mausoleum. She didn't see them, but had expected them now for years. Her warnings to Yuyuko Saigyouji were not listenend to and now it was too late. Far too late for now, anyway.
Yoshika was a youkai exterminator for fourteen years. When she was young she watched the danmaku fights and she said to mom "I want to be in the fights mommy."
Mom said "No! You will BE KILL BY YOUKAI"
There was a time when she believed her. Then as she got oldered she stopped. But now in the mausoleum of the DFC she knew there were youkai.
"This is Saigyouji" the radio crackered. "You must fight the youkai!"
So Yoshika gotted her splel card and blew up the wall.
"SHE GOING TO KILL US" said the youkai
"I will shoot at her" said the ghostyoukai and she fired the lethal danmaku. Yoshika spelled at her and tried to blew her up. But then the ceiling fell and they were trapped and not able to kill.
"No! I must kill the youkai" she shouted
The radio said "No, Yoshika. You are the youkai"
And then Yoshika was a zombie.
amazing... :o
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I decided to make the first TH13 related fanfic. It is about Yoshika's life before she died.
Yoshika Miyako waited. The lights above her blinked and sparked out of the air. There were youkai in the mausoleum. She didn't see them, but had expected them now for years. Her warnings to Yuyuko Saigyouji were not listenend to and now it was too late. Far too late for now, anyway.
Yoshika was a youkai exterminator for fourteen years. When she was young she watched the danmaku fights and she said to mom "I want to be in the fights mommy."
Mom said "No! You will BE KILL BY YOUKAI"
There was a time when she believed her. Then as she got oldered she stopped. But now in the mausoleum of the DFC she knew there were youkai.
"This is Saigyouji" the radio crackered. "You must fight the youkai!"
So Yoshika gotted her splel card and blew up the wall.
"SHE GOING TO KILL US" said the youkai
"I will shoot at her" said the ghostyoukai and she fired the lethal danmaku. Yoshika spelled at her and tried to blew her up. But then the ceiling fell and they were trapped and not able to kill.
"No! I must kill the youkai" she shouted
The radio said "No, Yoshika. You are the youkai"
And then Yoshika was a zombie.
Glorious. Simply glorious.
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I decided to make the first TH13 related fanfic. It is about Yoshika's life before she died.
Yoshika Miyako waited. The lights above her blinked and sparked out of the air. There were youkai in the mausoleum. She didn't see them, but had expected them now for years. Her warnings to Yuyuko Saigyouji were not listenend to and now it was too late. Far too late for now, anyway.
Yoshika was a youkai exterminator for fourteen years. When she was young she watched the danmaku fights and she said to mom "I want to be in the fights mommy."
Mom said "No! You will BE KILL BY YOUKAI"
There was a time when she believed her. Then as she got oldered she stopped. But now in the mausoleum of the DFC she knew there were youkai.
"This is Saigyouji" the radio crackered. "You must fight the youkai!"
So Yoshika gotted her splel card and blew up the wall.
"SHE GOING TO KILL US" said the youkai
"I will shoot at her" said the ghostyoukai and she fired the lethal danmaku. Yoshika spelled at her and tried to blew her up. But then the ceiling fell and they were trapped and not able to kill.
"No! I must kill the youkai" she shouted
The radio said "No, Yoshika. You are the youkai"
And then Yoshika was a zombie.
Brings tears to my eyes. *sniffle*
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6t5PO8ZVps
This fits so well it's scary.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6t5PO8ZVps
This fits so well it's scary.
my god...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6t5PO8ZVps
This fits so well it's scary.
:teaspit:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6t5PO8ZVps
This fits so well it's scary.
That was amazing.
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Mima confirmed.
(http://i.imgur.com/hgEA1.png)
Goddammit, you almost gave me a heart attack!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6t5PO8ZVps
This fits so well it's scary.
EXCELLENT!
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Goddammit, you almost gave me a heart attack!
[Yeah, it looks so much like ZUN's style that I was only 99% sure it wasn't real until I saw it on Danbooru. That 1% chance nearly gave me an aneurysm.]
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Come on, the zombie arms were a dead give-away weren't they?
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Oh geez, people are seriously buying into the Mima theory? I mean, it's a valid theory for the first time since...well, ever, but someone "returning" could mean anything. I mean, did we all go gaga over someone being "revived" in UFO, thinking it's someone coming back from PC-98?
...Oh wait.
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Oh geez, people are seriously buying into the Mima theory? I mean, it's a valid theory for the first time since...well, ever, but someone "returning" could mean anything. I mean, did we all go gaga over someone being "revived" in UFO, thinking it's someone coming back from PC-98?
...Oh wait.
Well, I explained pretty thoroughly why I personally buy the theory. I wouldn't bother with it if I didn't think it made sense.
I guess I am a newbie to the fandom though, I wasn't around when the demos of the other games came out or anything like that. I've only been into Touhou for about 6-7 months.
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Well, I explained pretty thoroughly why I personally buy the theory. I wouldn't bother with it if I didn't think it made sense.
I guess I am a newbie to the fandom though, I wasn't around when the demos of the other games came out or anything like that. I've only been into Touhou for about 6-7 months.
In that case, you're probably not aware that we go through this MIMA MIMA MIMA every single time a new Touhou game is coming out. People concoct all kinds of elaborate theories as to why this time, definitely, Mima is coming back. The speculations run wild, and anyone who dares to point out that Mima's return is highly unlikely gets shouted down by the chorus of the most vocal Mima fans. And so people get a little tired of it after a while.
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In that case, you're probably not aware that we go through this MIMA MIMA MIMA every single time a new Touhou game is coming out. People concoct all kinds of elaborate theories as to why this time, definitely, Mima is coming back. The speculations run wild, and anyone who dares to point out that Mima's return is highly unlikely gets shouted down by the chorus of the most vocal Mima fans. And so people get a little tired of it after a while.
Yeah, I knew about that from reading through topics here. I tried to distance myself from that and explain it as logically as possible, but oh well. I guess I should not try that again.
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I wouldn't worry too much about it. I love fan theory. I'm just providing context is all.
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In that case, you're probably not aware that we go through this MIMA MIMA MIMA every single time a new Touhou game is coming out. People concoct all kinds of elaborate theories as to why this time, definitely, Mima is coming back. The speculations run wild, and anyone who dares to point out that Mima's return is highly unlikely gets shouted down by the chorus of the most vocal Mima fans. And so people get a little tired of it after a while.
I don't think the Mima thing was that big in UFO, as it was more about YUMEMI YUMEMI STRAWBERRIES.
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HOW ARE YOU PEOPLE NOT GETTING IT MIMA IS ALREADY IN THE GAME (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/exitjmouse/aheartfeltreunion.jpg)
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HOW ARE YOU PEOPLE NOT GETTING IT MIMA IS ALREADY IN THE GAME (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/exitjmouse/aheartfeltreunion.jpg)
no i thought that was the vengeful ghost of orange whom was brutally murdered by both reimu and marisa you are so wrong
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HOW ARE YOU PEOPLE NOT GETTING IT MIMA IS ALREADY IN THE GAME (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/exitjmouse/aheartfeltreunion.jpg)
What are you talking about man that is so totally Nue :V
I joke.
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What are you talking about man that is so totally Nue :V
I joke.
THESE ARE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.
also if it turns out to become a real character like nue then that person shall become mima
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So I nearly 1CCed Normal for this version. That good? Or not? I know it's supposed to be "easier" or something.
And 37,000,000 is okay? Yes? No?
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Holy shit that was fast (http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/386/1303161134756.jpg)
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Holy shit that was fast (http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/386/1303161134756.jpg)
what the fuck japan
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Whoa, and I thought the US was fast with merchandising. Do want :3
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I'm still awaiting a Thriller spoof with her.
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I'm still awaiting a Thriller spoof with her.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6t5PO8ZVps (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6t5PO8ZVps)
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Not that one xD
Anyway, I just did a sketch of Yoshi. :P
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What is so special about mima anyway that half the fan base goes berserk mode over her return.
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Not that one xD
Well I still await a Yoshika version of Heartful Necromancer :V
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What is so special about mima anyway that half the fan base goes berserk mode over her return.
IT'S F*CKING MIMA!!!!
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To answer seriously, basically Mima is cool for the same reasons Marisa is, except she replaces petty theft with outright villainy. She's basically a stereotypical cackling witch, which is pretty hilarious. She also stands out by being one of the more mature characters in terms of (apparent) age.
I also like Mima for having an interesting relationship with Reimu. As the PC-98 series went on they were increasingly close with each other, although they still technically had reasons to be enemies. It's a bit more involved than how most Windows antagonists simply became acquaintances once defeated.
I like to imagine that once Reimu introduced the spellcard rules, Mima was like "fuck this casual shit, call me when we're playing for real" and left. :V
Although, I'm not sure I'd be as excited about her return as other Mima fans would. While it'd be interesting to see what Mima has been up to all this time, I worry that if she came back in any active capacity Marisa would have to go back to living in her shadow. Some people, myself included, feel that Marisa was meant to become the new Mima, although she's still a long way from that, I think.
Mima off doing things by herself would be great though, I'd love to see her start shit with Yukari or Byakuren or something (despite probably being woefully underpowered compared to them by now), or team up with Yuka again to go trolling everyone.
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By the way, is the full version gonna be released in Reitasai? Or maybe ZUN'll delay it to Comiket?
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By the way, is the full version gonna be released in Reitasai? Or maybe ZUN'll delay it to Comiket?
ZUN's selling the demo in Reitaisai where proceeds go to charity for the tsunamia and earthquake hits and etc. Game will be released in Comiket I reckon.
Also, in all honesty, if Mima DOES return, I'll actually be happy, because returning characters are quite a refresher, and I'm just curious as to how Mima's spellcards are gonna be, and moreso, her dialogue with Reimu and Marisa when they find her (probably with Yuka and Alice going, "Remember me?").
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Mima is good because she lost to Reimu and then she went LOLITROLLU
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6t5PO8ZVps
This fits so well it's scary.
I just wanted to post to reiterate that this is a beautiful, beautiful thing.
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Indeed it is :o holy shit
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Mima is good because she lost to Reimu and then she went LOLITROLLU
"Lol, I troll you"... Or "Loli troll you?"
... I guess it's the same either way.
Anyway, calling an amanojaku boss for no good reason. I get the feeling ZUN will implement that kind of youkai sooner or later.
Hopefully later, because I'm still slowly working on a danmakufu script for one
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6t5PO8ZVps (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6t5PO8ZVps)
Oh my lord.
What is so special about mima anyway that half the fan base goes berserk mode over her return.
I never could see any good reason, which is why I thought for the longest time that MIMA'S COMING BACK I CAN FEEL IT IN MY BONES was just a kind of in-joke. I had no idea people actually took that crap seriously. :P
Though, on a somewhat related note, I am glad to see that ZUN is dipping into his box of already-used characters instead of creating new ones. It is kind of sad to meet all kinds of interesting characters and know that we'll likely never see them in a game again. :/
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Fucking computer.
Just played MoF Lunatic at 2.5 fps.
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So ... Has anyone cleared Lunatic with Youmu ? Yoshika seems highly impossible :colonveeplusalpha:
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So ... Has anyone cleared Lunatic with Youmu ? Yoshika seems highly impossible :colonveeplusalpha:
Damn Yoshi and her Soul...Eater...ness.
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Yuuka vs. Yoshika PV (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N1_0SUGlDQ)
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So ... Has anyone cleared Lunatic with Youmu ? Yoshika seems highly impossible :colonveeplusalpha:
(http://i20.servimg.com/u/f20/12/80/32/92/th/untitl53.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=966&u=12803292)
EDIT: I should've moved the box but that's Youmu right there.
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When I saw that all of the bosses started their dialog with the box at the top of the screen before entering, I said "Oh, I guess I don't have to worry about getting Kisume'd or Wriggle Kicked.
Then, as I was dodging fairies in the middle of stage two, I ran over the top to misaim their bullets and circle around. All of the bullets dissappeared and I just went "Huh"
Then the fairies dissappeared, and Kyouko smashed right through me on her way to being a Midboss. :derp:
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You know what?
I'm somehow almost more in love with the spirit world versions of the tracks than the actual tracks.
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Yuuka vs. Yoshika PV (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N1_0SUGlDQ)
I love you.
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(http://i20.servimg.com/u/f20/12/80/32/92/th/untitl53.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=966&u=12803292)
EDIT: I should've moved the box but that's Youmu right there.
We'll take your word for it. I really hope he fixes that bug. I can see a lot of rage turning up if he doesn't.
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Mima confirmed.
<snip>
Oh dear God Mint ily
@BPD: That was awsm, but...
There was a time when she believed her. Then as she got oldered she stopped. But now in the mausoleum of the DFC she knew there were youkai.
But now in the mausoleum of the DFC she knew there were youkai.
DFC
wait what (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e246/mjolnir2000/DFC.jpg)
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It's no big deal for me considering I'm a score-centric sort of person. I'd be more concerned about other "bugs" but that's just me being me :v
Anyway:
(http://i20.servimg.com/u/f20/12/80/32/92/th/untitl54.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=967&u=12803292)
Replay (http://replay.royalflare.net/replay/th13_udm612.rpy) (if you want to try your luck, rename) but I seriously doubt it would work considering the ... stability of the game and Youmu. i.e. expect it to desync. Nothing special for this one, I wasn't really paying attention on Stage 3 at all and was more focused on looking at my IRC window.
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@BPD: That was awsm, but...
Quote from: BeyPok?Dig on 2011-04-18, 19:43:15
There was a time when she believed her. Then as she got oldered she stopped. But now in the mausoleum of the DFC she knew there were youkai.
Quote from: BeyPok?Dig on 2011-04-18, 19:43:15
But now in the mausoleum of the DFC she knew there were youkai.
Quote from: BeyPok?Dig on 2011-04-18, 19:43:15
DFC
wait what (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e246/mjolnir2000/DFC.jpg)
I had to think up a 3 letter acronym that is not obscure and is related to Touhou, preferably making sense in the context of the fanfic. "Pettan Pettan Tsurupettan" is related to this and is relatively well known and most Touhou people fit the description of DFC (when drawn by ZUN).
In other news, Shuzo Matsuoka mix appeared in my subscription box. Only few memes to go. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdbdaYHDr2s&feature=feedu
Edit: FFFFUUU--- i waited for a reason to say "DFC - Life tastes great!" for several months and now i almost missed it!
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Someone really should make GIF of Yoshika. And then caption it with "INVISIBLE STEERING WHEEL". And then make Mickey Mouse steering wheel scene style (i hope you all know what i mean) crossover.
Here is the closest I found
http://www.safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=604012 (http://www.safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=604012)
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Here is the closest I found
http://www.safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=604012 (http://www.safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=604012)
Someone on YouTube mentioned her being a taxi driver.
I would prefer her being a bus driver, though.
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Someone on YouTube mentioned her being a taxi driver.
I would prefer her being a bus driver, though.
But there are no buses in Gensokyo.
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But there are no buses in Gensokyo.
There are trains for this reason. :yukkuri:
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I would prefer her being a bus driver, though.
But there are no buses in Gensokyo.
There are trains for this reason. :yukkuri:
Oh god, guys. We are so predictable. :ohdear: Let's fix that:
SPANISH INQUISITION
danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/294775/
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Does anyone know the best spots to enter trance mode? I'm trying to figure it out but I keep dying to random bullshit and waste the trance.
So far I only know to activate at the last second of Kogasa's fight, you can eat her spirits at 2x, then quite soon after fairies enter the screen with 2 (or was it 4?) bomb shards and 2 life shards.
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Does anyone know the best spots to enter trance mode? I'm trying to figure it out but I keep dying to random bullshit and waste the trance.
So far I only know to activate at the last second of Kogasa's fight, you can eat her spirits at 2x, then quite soon after fairies enter the screen with 2 (or was it 4?) bomb shards and 2 life shards.
They're different on E/N and H/L, but basically, activate during midbosses and boss nonspells (or move away from the boss before they go boom as you finish the spellcard so you get life/bomb shards)
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btw am I the only person who likes the sound of Marisa's focus shot? Sounds like she's tasering the enemy! >=)
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btw am I the only person who likes the sound of Marisa's focus shot? Sounds like she's tasering the enemy! >=)
I thought it sounded more like a stapler or a nailgun myself.
Still, yeah, I like the sound of it.
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The sound is fun, but when the blasts hit, they obscure the view of the boss and life meter.
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Outside of scoring, does it really matter if you can see the life meter? Just shoot the boss til Spell Break. =)
For those going for score, though, I can understand the problem since I know of like milking and other weird-to-me concepts, though.
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Considering the talking about sounds, I was reminded about something I noticed yesterday.
Kogasa also laughs at you, if you time out her spellcard on hard or lunatic.
Guess she feels a little better knowing that she can do it too.
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btw am I the only person who likes the sound of Marisa's focus shot? Sounds like she's tasering the enemy! >=)
To me it sounds just like MarisaC from SA.
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Considering the talking about sounds, I was reminded about something I noticed yesterday.
Kogasa also laughs at you, if you time out her spellcard on hard or lunatic.
Guess she feels a little better knowing that she can do it too.
All bosses 'laugh at you' when you time out a spellcard.
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All bosses 'laugh at you' when you time out a spellcard.
Woah that is awesome! I feel like ZUN cares more about trolling us now.
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Zengeku, maybe Formless, and I probably won't like that. We occasionally like doing timeouts.
Edit: and it better happen on a survival card too
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All bosses 'laugh at you' when you time out a spellcard.
You mean animation-wise?
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You mean animation-wise?
roland_woman_laughing_out_loud.wav (http://www.mediafire.com/?4lfic0f5h7e6hra)
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I got up to the start of zombie loli (no, not Reimu) boss fight on hard modo with Sanae before losing a life, and the I derp'd and used 2 continues on just her last card :V
I think its pretty good for a noob so nooby that he cant even beat IN on Normal :U
oh well, I also would like to see Mima again, but it doesn't worry me so much, any other returning character or even new ones would be just as good thisisallsogood.jpg
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i am the paper of my spell card
frilled is my skirt, and small is my hitbox
i have created over a gajillion bullets
unknown to death for their recipients
nor known to life beyond the edges of the screen
have withstood barrages to beat up the stage 6 boss
yet these hands will ever only hold tea and sake
so as i pray...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OcUMgT2vbg
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This must be what Musou Tensei is like in Shmup Touhou. Only with Unlimited Hyperworks.
i am the paper of my spell card
frilled is my skirt, and small is my hitbox
i have created over a gajillion bullets
unknown to death for their recipients
nor known to life beyond the edges of the screen
have withstood barrages to beat up the stage 6 boss
yet these hands will ever only hold tea and sake
so as i pray...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OcUMgT2vbg
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i am the paper of my spell card
frilled is my skirt, and small is my hitbox
i have created over a gajillion bullets
unknown to death for their recipients
nor known to life beyond the edges of the screen
have withstood barrages to beat up the stage 6 boss
yet these hands will ever only hold tea and sake
so as i pray...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OcUMgT2vbg
hahaha
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wut you annihiliated everything
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i need those lives for practicing s3
Youmu 1cc
:fail:
Is it easier with Youmu ? You cleared it with 2 lives left (compared to the high score Reimu run).
Well despite what everyone's been saying, I still have as much trouble with this game as the previous ones ...
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The stages are much easier with Youmu, definitely. Given how "unconventional" she plays, it's always to your benefit to get the stage under control.
Yoshika proved to be quite a handful, considering the width of Youmu's slashes making the first Spell Card quite a thing. Possible to work around it, but you pretty much have to be in control at all times to do so. Second Spell Card, while it takes a bit longer, isn't that much different. The last Spell Card, I've yet to be able to capture it, instead only timing it out and / or dying.
I'll see if I can get around to doing a "live" recording instead, but don't count on me trying from the get-go; RL's been in the way for the past week and isn't really letting up.
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<Unrimited Hyper Werks>
Thread won.
...can this be reproduced by CE?
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I've got the custom.exe open. How do I windowed mode?
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Anyone know why I can't view my replays? It forces ME to play the stage instead of actually replaying it automatically
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I've got the custom.exe open. How do I windowed mode?
(http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/1642/capturenvl.png)
Check one of the underlined. (http://img26.imageshack.us/i/capturenvl.png/)
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Sanae
"I know, I've seen some around.
Tiantian (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0122103/) was rather cute, wasn't she?"
Here's a quick preview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLoaINIuWL8), if I find the full movie of that I will post it as well.. or someone else can :P
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It's not every day you see a fat zombie.
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It's not every day you see a fat zombie.
L4D Boomer says hi.
...wait, that's not exactly fat, but rather bloated.
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(http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/1642/capturenvl.png)
Check one of the underlined.
(http://img26.imageshack.us/i/capturenvl.png/)
Yeah, that doesn't work.
It's still fullscreen with that on. Oh well.
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I think F10 changes fullscreen and windowed modes.
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Does anyone else have a bug where if you play thru the game once, it's fine but the 2nd time the dialog is unskippable? I have to restart the game.
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Guys, your custom.exe saves the config file to a faulty location. C:\Users\You\AppData\Roaming\ShanghaiAlice\th13 (or a similar folder structure in win7), grab the config file and toss it into th13tr. Replays might be saved in this folder as well in some cases, but I can't confirm.
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I drew Yoshi! (http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/9725/yoshi001.jpg).
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Yoshiko reminded me of some dialogue from ~6 years ago.
Marisa: Eh? Who needs brains in danmaku? Power, that's all ya need!
Alice: See, you ARE stupid. Danmaku is all about brains. That's common sense.
Yoshiko doesn't need brains in danmaku, but her danmaku is all about getting braaaaaains.
Also, I'm assuming Marisa's "easier to collect items" benefit is referring to her item-gravity circle, not the PoC.
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I drew Yoshi! (http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/9725/yoshi001.jpg).
Was expecting a green dinosaur. I am dissapoint.
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I drew Yoshi! (http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/9725/yoshi001.jpg).
I love your drawing style ;3; <3
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Anyone know why I can't view my replays? It forces ME to play the stage instead of actually replaying it automatically
Anyone know how to get this to happen? I'd like to have a chance at Yoshika's cards without having to play the full demo.
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I love your drawing style ;3; <3
Thanks! :D
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The Evening of 4/20/11 for me
1) Took a shower.
2) Played the trial of TH13.
3) Got amazed
4) Extracted 3 tracks from it
5) Returned to MotK
6) Discovered this thread
7) Decided to post this list for no reason
Also, I WANT MY MIMA DX
Still looking for that so-called SFX_ZUN.wav...
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Also, I WANT MY MIMA DX
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/exitjmouse/aheartfeltreunion.jpg :3c
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http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/exitjmouse/aheartfeltreunion.jpg :3c
Huh? I don't see Mima, just Marisa about to be hit by a bullet. Or is that...Mima's soul? :V
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Clearly I will need to make the video version
who can record a 10 Desires replay into a raw video format for me =(
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http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/exitjmouse/aheartfeltreunion.jpg :3c
Every time I see you post this, I continue to wonder how you lost a life on Easy Modo by that point?
I thought you were better E-mouse :(
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Clearly I will need to make the video version
who can record a 10 Desires replay into a raw video format for me =(
Ohh. You were trying to show me something else? That's okay.
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http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/exitjmouse/aheartfeltreunion.jpg :3c
Actually, that's a divine spirit. Mima is an evil spirit. The more you know...
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Mima got purified? :3
Seriously, it would be disappointing if ZUN recycled any more characters at this point. I would like to see Mima return, but I would rather see something new. I'm betting on ancient evil that Yuyuko and Yukari know showing up.
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Mima got purified? :3
Seriously, it would be disappointing if ZUN recycled any more characters at this point. I would like to see Mima return, but I would rather see something new. I'm betting on ancient evil that Yuyuko and Yukari know showing up.
Mima shows up mid-stage, re-appears at the end of the stage and gets owned by the real boss.
That way we have Mima appear and her fans get trolled. Win/win all around.
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then I'll wait for a TH13 Black Label/iPhone Mode where she becomes playable :D (I don't have an iPhone, though)
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I have this recurring fantasy of Mima showing up in the extra stage, having a few lines of dialogue, and then leaving, never to be seen again.
Or Kogasa in a Mima costume. What a surprise that would be!
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I have this recurring fantasy of Mima showing up in the extra stage, having a few lines of dialogue, and then leaving, never to be seen again.
Or Kogasa in a Mima costume. What a surprise that would be!
Or Mima in Sanae costume! And playable! And Sanae would never be seen again!
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Or Mima in Sanae costume! And playable! And Sanae would never be seen again!
Why remove something that needs no improvement? :V
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Actually, that's a divine spirit. Mima is an evil spirit. The more you know...
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/exitjmouse/NotASingleFuckWasGiven.png)
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(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/exitjmouse/NotASingleFuckWasGiven.png)
I actually couldn't care less either, I was just tired of seeing that posted as an "OMG must have Mima" response over and over.
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Or Mima in Sanae costume! And playable! And Sanae would never be seen again!
If only it could happen (not that I hate Sanae, I just like Mima more.)
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Or Mima in Sanae costume! And playable! And Sanae would never be seen again!
I'ma liking this idea. :3
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Or Mima in Sanae costume! And playable! And Sanae would never be seen again!
I'm sorry, but a certain youkai has already been pictured beating Mima to that idea...
WARNING ~ Danbooru Link!
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/871599/5girls-alternate_costume-blonde_hair-bow-bra-broom (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/871599/5girls-alternate_costume-blonde_hair-bow-bra-broom)
On topic note, I decided to try my hand at Hard since I've done everyone on Normal now. (Did a no-life lost run with Youmu too; that felt so good!)
Yuyuko and her 4 cards are really making her the hardest 1st boss. I keep getting to stage 2 but failing after that. :wat:
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Yay finding out about stuff late.
I might be going about this whole scoring thing the wrong way. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nZJvf_4ygU)
(http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss330/Sylent02/Touhou/HIGHSCORE.png) (http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss330/Sylent02/Touhou/HIGHSCORE.png)
Yuyuko and her 4 cards are really making her the hardest 1st boss.
Definitely. Her second-to-last "spray magical bullcrap everywhere" card screws up my hard mode runs more than any other stage 1 boss ever did...
And I'm really liking Yoshika already. Confused zombieface in-game is great, though Kyouko's theme is my favorite so far.
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Clearly I will need to make the video version
who can record a 10 Desires replay into a raw video format for me =(
I'll do it for you. But you just want the raw 14537524 gig file? I can make you a small, HD video.
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I'll do it for you. But you just want the raw 14537524 gig file? I can make you a small, HD video.
This is adequate.
Also fucking hell photobucket why you do this
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Mima shows up mid-stage, re-appears at the end of the stage and gets owned by the real boss.
That way we have Mima appear and her fans get trolled. Win/win all around.
That would suck, man. But at least she would show up...:3
*is totally desperate for a Mima appearance, even a cameo would do*
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So, what do you guys think about the theory that Layla Prismriver has a chance of appearing in this game? Is it something that would be likely?
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I don't think it's too likely. That would almost require the presence of the Prismriver Sisters, and there's already been two recycled characters. I wouldn't rule it out entirely, but I'm betting on original characters from this point onward. (Except in the endings, of course.)
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Flandre is totally going to be the last or extra boss. I've got nothing to base this off but am fully convinced it's true.
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Saigyouzi Yuyuko
Oh, no, no, no, please don't do this to me, ZUN.
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He can't decide if he wants to use Hepbern or Nihon-shiki
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Oh, no, no, no, please don't do this to me, ZUN.
So I'm not the only one that finds this annoying then...?
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Oh, no, no, no, please don't do this to me, ZUN.
This.
I mean, seriously, Reiuzi?
Reiuzi -> Rei-uzi -> UZI.
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Oh, no, no, no, please don't do this to me, ZUN.
This.
I mean, seriously, Reiuzi?
Reiuzi -> Rei-uzi -> UZI.
Also: Huziwara no Mokou, Momizi, and other differences such as Kotiya, Syameimaru, etc.
I don't have a problem with most of this. It's just that English speakers are all used to the Hepburn Romanization (ji, fu, chi, shi, sha) rather then Nihon-Shiki (zi, hu, ti, si, sya).
But in the case of Zi, well, I have a hard time saying that in Japanese (use of Korean pronunciations for the language - going by above example, ji, hu, chi or ti, si, sya), so this gets rather annoying.
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Played through it on hard again. Yoshi's actually nowhere near as hard as I thought she was. One stupid death to the third non-spell away from being a perfect.
Also, this no-deathbombing thing is a MASSIVE pain in the ass.
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I'm probably a huge retard, but how does one manually activate stoner mode?
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I'm probably a huge retard, but how does one manually activate stoner mode?
It's been answered many times, but I want to do the honors this time!
You have to press C while your little Orin Meter has all three ghosties filled. It's great for collecting more lives/bombs/points and for dealing more damage~
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Is there really no death-bombing? I swear I did it once.
With the emphasis on ONCE.
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Is there really no death-bombing? I swear I did it once.
With the emphasis on ONCE.
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Ten_Desires/Gameplay#Bomb
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I see.
On a different note. Why are there so few bonus lives in this game? Is this only to make the demo a little harder? My best try so far was 1cc with 4 lives left, that was 2 starting lives + 25 life parts. Even if you maximize the highest potential of life parts you'd end up with only 2 extra. For comparison: you could earn 2 lives in the first stage of UFO.
I noticed some fairies had purple fire behind them (also some red), maybe these will drop life parts in the full version?
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I don't know if the color of the fire has to do with what spirits they drop - I believe all of them drop blue and, if you're chaining kills, gray spirits anyway. Bomb and life fragments come at scripted events.
As for the number of life fragments, keep in mind that the first three stages are not especially long. Both stages and boss fights get longer as the game continues, so you'll see a steady increase in the later game anyway. Mefidex also claimed that he found something related to +3 fragments somewhere in the coding (obviously not used in the demo, though there was a fairy that dropped 2 in Stage 2). So we can assume that the full game will compensate for higher life requirements. I actually don't mind the apparently fewer resources this game gives so far, but that's only because I want the challenge. Something a bit closer to other shooting games, and perhaps something to force a bit more strategy in when to bomb/hyper bosses for scoring.
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Is there really no death-bombing? I swear I did it once.
With the emphasis on ONCE.
You can deathbomb. BUT your trance level cant have one spirit level full.
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Mefidex also claimed that he found something related to +3 fragments somewhere in the coding (obviously not used in the demo, though there was a fairy that dropped 2 in Stage 2).
I can attest to this. You can get +1, +2 and +3 from life and bomb spirits; although I don't think you can in the demo. There are also Point+30 and +50 values (and thus+300 and +500) as well.
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I'm trying to remember here, the Stage 2 fairy dropped 2 individual life fragments instead of 1 +2 fragment, right?
And wow, +30 and +50 blue spirits? Even more incentive to save bombs/hypers for later. Then again, if people instead farm the living daylights out of later bosses like they are the earlier ones in the demo, it would probably make the game too easy since earlier bosses, for the most part, aren't tough to play normally anyway.
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Yuyuko is not the hardest stage 1 boss. Timing out her third card may be difficult, but outside of that, nothing she has gives me any issue compared to Nazrin final with a few characters(which still isn't too bad) or even Yamame's opener and final.
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Yeah the only hard spellcards IMO are zombie girls first and third. Third is do-able but not easy. The first one I still haven't figured it out, killing a spirit by accident means she heals, doing it on purpose to reduce danmaku density also heals. Taking spirits yourself is not really an option since there are many bullets and zombie spawns a ring of oval things if you get close. Only choice you have = stay underneath her and dodge everything (very possible, but can get quite tough). It's a nightmare on youmu since charging your sword = loads of spirits die and heal.
With that said ZUN's mindset of making the game more accesible to noobs failed in my opinion. Cards might be easier, but the spirit and trance system is too hard to grasp for new players.
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Well the trance on death thing does help you get past those spellcards that keep killing you
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I love trance mode.
As long as one of the spirits is completely filled I can give the boss one last 'FUCK YOU' before going pichuu~n.
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I'm mostly sad/annoyed that you can't deathbomb unless you have your Orin Meter empty...
The worst part is that I was starting to get good at it. :qq:
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Youmu's gimmick is pretty neat. And her charge shot is strong too! It kills the 1st stage mid-boss in five hits. And Youmu just messing with them. Her slashing not even stop!
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I'm thinking ZUN will have death bombing in the final version. There seems to be conflicts with the new stuff he has in here. The bug that causes a crash if Yoshika is defeated while healing is one. We've never had a healing boss before, though, so he's probably working to figure out how to fix it. Same with the trance meter, since that's new, it probably conflicted with his existing death bombing code in some way he hasn't figured out how to remedy yet. It's the first demo, so we just need to be patient.
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By the way, random question. It's noted that Kogasa only has a spell on Hard and Lunatic. I watched a video of a Lunatic run, and I noticed that she didn't even have a second nonspell on that difficulty...and her spell looked just like her second nonspell in Easy and Normal. (And, of course, just like her first nonspell.) So, is it possible that her second nonspell on Easy and Normal is supposed to be a spell?
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No, it just upgrades into a spell on higher difficulties, that's all.
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It's just somewhat longer on hard mode. It isn't even necessarily harder.
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(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/exitjmouse/NotASingleFuckWasGiven.png)
Also fucking hell photobucket why you do this
Late reader here, curious: what was it?
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Loving the game so far, did a blind Lunatic run my first try an got up to just before Kogasa. Really fun game overall, but learning to balance bombs vs. trance meter is proving to be difficult, especially with the scarcity of resources so far...
EDIT: When you quit a run while playing Youmu, if you go back to the character select screen, it'll bring you to Sanae instead of Youmu. It's like the game is telling me YOU'RE NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO PLAY AS YOUMU.
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Late reader here, curious: what was it?
AND NOT A SINGLE FUCK WAS GIVEN THAT DAY
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> The bug that causes a crash if Yoshika is defeated while healing is one.
I fixed this bug ( http://www.mediafire.com/?qxjdr4pfhj38ty5 ), though obviously if a replay requires the game to not crash, and you use an unpatched exe, it will crash.
Testing welcome.
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It's just somewhat longer on hard mode. It isn't even necessarily harder.
Well, the bullets seem to spread more, so it's harder to find a gap between them and it's like a wall of bullets is coming towards you.
Also, I agree with there being few lives in the game. At least in the demo it's impossible to get more than two. In other forums I visit people keep saying that the game is far easier, but they don't take the scoring system into account. It happens so often that I get trashed by random spawning enemies because I wanted to get the spirits they drop... :/
Regarding Youmus Shot type: Yes, it's strong, but in the harder difficulty levels you don't get easily near the boss anymore and the focussed shot has a quite limited range.
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The range isn't as bad when at full power. Once your hit, though, you're done. It's probably best to use Youmu after you've already played through with one of the other characters, since you really need to know the patterns fairly well in order to get close enough to use Youmu effectively.
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So, what features would you like ZUN to add to the full game?
Personally, I'd like death bombing to be possible regardless of how full your Orin meter is.
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- per-frame rank increase when orin meter is full :D (the sound whenever an orin soul gets filled up is hilarious... not sure if this is a good idea, but IN had this before)
- counterbomb (with one free IN-style deathbomb, not sure if it should be as long as in IN) not being limited to empty orin meter
- visible chaining meter for the gray spirits
- ability to maintain the chaining meter by grazing (could help improvisation, as long as the game doesn't focus on this element too much)
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I noticed that if the Trance meter is at least not filled until the first spirit blob, it won't even kick in if you die. Did anybody else specifically tested this out? I first thought it was me being careless but I am somewhat doubting now.
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Yeah, Trance won't activate until you have one filled. Conversely, you can't deathbomb after that one is filled.
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Guess I need to adjust my article then slightly.
So basically, ZUN grants you deathbomb ability until 1 spirit is full in the Trance meter and after that it is becomes risking. That is kind surprising. Not being able to deathbomb is kind of harsh. As you won't want to enter trance mode because it is always death (unless your meter is full).
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That is kind of surprising.
:P
Though in any case, you can still activate it manually.
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Can somebody help me?
My touhou runs really slow, at about 40 fps. what can I do about it?
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Not being able to deathbomb is kind of harsh.
No, that's the norm. Deathbombing is just the game being extra generous and you should be grateful to the game for letting you live even though you screwed up, rather than expecting it to do this. :V
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Yeah honestly. Being allowed to bomb even if you're already hit is not good for you. I think its a good thing that the death bombing is gone since it'll teach players to bomb in advance of getting hit which will be a useful thing to be used to for the time when you wanna try out other shmups than Touhou.
Having to go hyper when you die is a bit annoying but in games like DOJ you just lose whatever hypers you had if you forget to use them so one shouldn't complain about that. However, losing a spellcard bonus because of a hyper being active before beginning the card begins is pretty stupid imo. Its not like you made a mistake on the spellcard. Only on the card/non-spell before it.
Then again, who cares if you lose a spell card if you aren't going for a perfect run or something anyway. Its not like the spell bonuses outweigh the benefits of shotgunning bosses with a hyper to their face.
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If you don't want deathtrance to ruin your spell card bonus, why can't you just wait until it runs out before beating the spell you died on? You've already lost the current spell's bonus, so stalling isn't going to hurt your score. You're wasting your trance, but you weren't planning on using it anyways. The only time I think this could be an actual problem is if you're beating the spell and dying at the same time.
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If you don't want deathtrance to ruin your spell card bonus, why can't you just wait until it runs out before beating the spell you died on? You've already lost the current spell's bonus, so stalling isn't going to hurt your score. You're wasting your trance, but you weren't planning on using it anyways. The only time I think this could be an actual problem is if you're beating the spell and dying at the same time.
Stalling out your deathtrance instead of sitting on top of the boss while in said deathtrance to get more spirits of all colors doesn't hurt your score? That's news to me.
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No, that's the norm. Deathbombing is just the game being extra generous and you should be grateful to the game for letting you live even though you screwed up, rather than expecting it to do this. :V
the way I wanted to put it, just to make it clear to other people to avoid further confusion, is that counterbomb should be allowed when it's normally not (namely, the "forced death trance"). Counterbombs have existed in all of the series' "main" games (iirc), unlike IN's Deathbombs (which cost two bombs and give a greater lenght of time than normal counterbombing).. the former is even usable for lowering rank in EoSD.
Anyways, forced death trances are harmful for scoring, it messes up the planned trances, so they might be more survival-oriented in this aspect imo.. also I wonder if ZUN will make the game more Ketsui-like, I mean, not with the lock-on multipliers but with the proximity kills (or "in everything's face kills", if you prefer it :p) yielding better rewards (the '5'-labeled boxes).
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If you don't want deathtrance to ruin your spell card bonus, why can't you just wait until it runs out before beating the spell you died on? You've already lost the current spell's bonus, so stalling isn't going to hurt your score. You're wasting your trance, but you weren't planning on using it anyways. The only time I think this could be an actual problem is if you're beating the spell and dying at the same time.
...what.
Trance, whether it was manually activated or not, will automatically fail the card. Might as well spend it sitting on the boss and farming blues/grays for higher point item value.
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:P
Though in any case, you can still activate it manually.
Only if the trance meter is full you can. Otherwise no.
No, that's the norm. Deathbombing is just the game being extra generous and you should be grateful to the game for letting you live even though you screwed up, rather than expecting it to do this. :V
That is your opinion. I see it differently.
It is harsh, because you are forced to die no matter what. Screw up or not, everybody screws up unless you hammer something many times until you can "perfect" it. And perfection in Touhou does not exists unless you can endlessly do it perfect. Having 1 deathless/bombless/tranceless run out of 5000 attempts is not perfect. And majority of the "perfect" runs people do youtube are Stage plays and not full game plays.
Deathbombing has always been a tricky thing to rely on and something unwanted. Responding to it is not easy as you need to be aware of being able to deathbomb on time (unless IN border team). I know of myself, even if I could deathbomb, I still risk the spellcard/noncard and eventually end up dying because the focus different. Also IN deathbombing deducted 2 bombs (unless it was your last), which is also painful as you never wanted to deathbomb in IN because it wastes bombs.
Basically ZUN is forcing you to play carefully in 10D until you have trance meter filled which allows you to either bomb or trance to save your ass.
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...what.
Trance, whether it was manually activated or not, will automatically fail the card. Might as well spend it sitting on the boss and farming blues/grays for higher point item value.
I was saying that you could stall on a card you've already failed in order to not lose the bonus on the next card. I personally do the same and shotgun the boss, but there might be a situation where you die near the end of a card and the few items you can get from your 3 second trance aren't worth losing the next card's bonus over.
Also on deathbombing, I haven't really encountered any situations where you're already dying before you know you're screwed. In Imperishable Night, there was an abundance of evenly spread, slow, and dense patterns where deathbombing made more sense, but since UFO we've seen more macrodanmaku patterns. Even stuff like Yoshika's nonspells can be seen as macrodanmaku when you consider that their main feature is the initial downwards cluster. If you're trapped and PROBABLY going to get hit, that's when you bomb. You don't try to squeeze through that one pixel gap and bomb after the fact.
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I was saying that you could stall on a card you've already failed in order to not lose the bonus on the next card. I personally do the same and shotgun the boss, but there might be a situation where you die near the end of a card and the few items you can get from your 3 second trance aren't worth losing the next card's bonus over.
Oh, I see, you're talking about cards have no nonspells in between :3
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You should still pummel the boss; you have to keep in mind you can't fail a spell for the first few seconds it starts, so if you have a second of trance left, you're set. (I've done that before, tranced on Kyouko's second nonspell, was still trancing when her spell card started, but still got the spell bonus.) :3
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In that case, it would be helpful to know the exact time it takes before the card checks for trance. I mean, the game gives you a timer for trance anyways...
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Hm, that's a good one to look up. I think it's somewhere between three and five seconds, but don't quote me on that. That system has been in place since EoSD, and it seems to be fairly generous. I know I can hit a bomb right before a spell starts and still get the bonus.
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If I remember correctly, SA (possibly introduced in MoF) had a system where if you entered a spell card while bombing, the boss would be bomb-immune until the bomb ended, and you would get the capture bonus if you completed the rest of the card successfully. Or at least, I'm sure of the first half (the bomb immunity), and in my very limited experience, I believe the second half (the spell bonus) to be true. If so, I would expect all following games to use that system as well, at least for bombs. For Trance, it's probably just a set timer.
By the way, Kyouko's floppy ears are extremely cute.
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Wow, no matter what everyone might say, this is the first game since Imperishable Night where the scoring mechanic is fun enough for me to actually care for it. Standing directly under Yuyuko during her non-spells, second and third spell; Kyouko's non-spells, her first (midboss) and her third spell; all of Kogasa and Yoshika's second spell ups the difficulty and makes normal-mode quite challenging.
Memorising all stage enemies appearences (because only the first wave of stage 1 seems random) and the right times to trance was also quite fun.
On a different note, I facepalmed realising that the first three waves of enemies in Stage 2 (the ying-yang orbs) appear in tens after them throwing me off so many times.
Has anyone an opinion if ~59.300.000 is a good score for normal? Died twice because of stupidity, so I wouldn't be surprised if its terrible after all.
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Well, it's better than 42' 000' 000, which I seem to keep topping out at.
I've developed a somewhat of a strategy of "bumrush the top of the screen to collect shit and trance all up in the boss's business."
Supposedly, they drop a lot of spirits that way that increase your Point value by 100.
The highest I ever got that crap was 28' 000. I think I'm doing it wrong.
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The highest I ever got that crap was 28' 000. I think I'm doing it wrong.
That's quite funny actually because the one of my last run was exactly 38.000 by the end of it.
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I finally realised what pairing i was missing. Yoshika ? Genjii. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y)
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In that case, it would be helpful to know the exact time it takes before the card checks for trance. I mean, the game gives you a timer for trance anyways...
I find that once the name of the spellcard reaches the top of the screen after being declared, that's when you fail it if you bomb or are in trance mode.
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That sounds about right to me. I think it only check for when it is activated, not if it's still going.
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Since when do people actually give a damn about the spell bonus?
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Because capturing a spell makes a number rise that makes you feel better. That's why everyone likes achievements too.
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S'fucking stupid. If you don't care about score then why complain if you lose the spell bonus. It doesn't matter to you anyway. And even if you do care about score, shotgunning for spirits is still more important than the spell bonus. There is never any reason to care. The only possible reason is that your trance was just ending as a spell started -- in which case you should've delayed the attack beforehand so it wouldn't do that.
You're right though Azure, people love games telling them they're good at it, regardless of whether or not it's true. "Achievements" and "ranks" do this perfectly, and fools eat it up like it means something. "Congratulations! Your picture changed! But guess what, that picture has nothing to do with how well you play the game!!! We're just cock-stroking you a bit so you forget about how shitty you actually are!!!! Yay!!!!!!
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Meh, maybe, but it's one more thing to try to achieve. Not to mention it'll be more emphasized, since we have spell practice back. :3
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S'fucking stupid. If you don't care about score then why complain if you lose the spell bonus. It doesn't matter to you anyway. And even if you do care about score, shotgunning for spirits is still more important than the spell bonus. There is never any reason to care. The only possible reason is that your trance was just ending as a spell started -- in which case you should've delayed the attack beforehand so it wouldn't do that.
You're right though Azure, people love games telling them they're good at it, regardless of whether or not it's true. "Achievements" and "ranks" do this perfectly, and fools eat it up like it means something. "Congratulations! Your picture changed! But guess what, that picture has nothing to do with how well you play the game!!! We're just cock-stroking you a bit so you forget about how shitty you actually are!!!! Yay!!!!!!
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So, Naut, what exactly gives you the right to tell people how they can or can't enjoy Touhou?
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I can't stop you from enjoying meaningless text appearing on the screen, I'm just explaining why it is silly to do so in the context of the game. If your only goal is to get that text to appear, then by all means, continue.
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No, I don't disagree with your idea. I think cosmetic awards are rather silly, if they reward mediocrity (as I believe). Except I don't think other people are stupid for doing it, and I'm not going to call people morons for not playing the same way I do with the same goals I do. Play Touhou however you want, but don't think that it applies to anyone else, and don't judge others for whatever goals they decide to go for.
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I meant the idea of wanting it is "stupid" in the context of the game, not the people going for it. I was raging at the poor logic behind wanting that text since it means nothing when going for the typical touhou goals of 1cc'ing the game or getting a high score. If people still want that text after knowing it means nothing in the context of those goals (which would then mean they have a different goal), then they're welcome to go for it. I just don't want people buying into the stupid idea that it means something within the context of a 1cc or high score.
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Your first post struck me as "people shouldn't be playing for (x arbitrary reason), they should be playing for (y arbitrary reason) and everyone who does otherwise is stupid!" But now you have explained, and I do believe that we are in agreement. A 1cc should be everyone's goal, on whatever difficulty they can manage. Everything else is just your preferred icing on the cake.
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I apologise for the ambiguity of my wording, I was a bit inflamed when posting it and clearly didn't give it enough thought.
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Your first post struck me as "people shouldn't be playing for (x arbitrary reason), they should be playing for (y arbitrary reason) and everyone who does otherwise is stupid!" But now you have explained, and I do believe that we are in agreement. A 1cc should be everyone's goal, on whatever difficulty they can manage. Everything else is just your preferred icing on the cake.
Somewhat off topic/tangential, but I'd like to add 'getting a high score' as a possible alternative to this. :V
To me, it seems like a 1cc is the first step (in theory); after which, you know your way around the game, and can attempt to compete for score, which usually will bring up the difficulty a few notches (or a lot of notches if you're really going for the top). Obviously, it's not everyone's cup of tea, but I remember noticing a sort of circular 'people look to 1ccs as the ultimate goal, so my ultimate goal should be a 1cc' logic going around a while ago. I'd recommend to people to give scoring a serious try rather than writing it off, if you haven't already - you could find it more rewarding than a 1cc.
To you guys scoring in 10D - I'd recommend watching top scoring replays if you haven't already done so. I remember watching one of Heartbeam's a while back and see him get around double the amount of hypers trances compared to my best run as of then. :colonveeplusalpha:
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Well, I remember having trouble getting Youmu replays to work without desyncing, and supposedly others have seen that too. Plus considering that, as far as I know, she has the highest overall scores for the trial... Hopefully it'll be fixed by the time the full version comes out, but until then it seems people might only be able to research superplays for the other three characters.
And Sapz does hint at a good point. While they are not always optimal, top-ranking replays are typically great for giving you new ideas for playing in general - it's not limited to just survival or scoring. Example, even if your goal is simply survival, finding ways to get more Trances in parts with bomb/life part drops can be tremendously helpful.
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opinions/thoughts/etc:
- maybe in the full version, latter spellcard bonuses may be worth not hypering on (I don't know if they're affected by point item value, though)
- regular spellcard capturing may be such an intermediate scoring example, for those who prefer less risks. Maybe, if spellcard bonuses are really affected by point item value, players would get to see some more meaningful texts when they capture latter spells :D
- attempting to score only after attaining an 1cc would make a lot of people to not discover the fun within scoring systems, and would mean that you need a good memory in order to play for score (which I don't have), or be rewarded a lot compared to those who don't have it. Though, there are also certain games which greatly reward those who practice latter stages (either through savestating or stage practice) before attempting full runs.. which most of the times mean that those who don't have a good enough memory for benefitting from stage practice/savestates (like I tried to, with Battle Garegga in STGT'09) will fall behind :( (which also means that my favorite games for scoreplaying are also those which are improvisation-friendly, or at least have some intermediate scoring potential, I mean, not a "play perfectly or else you'll get nothing")
- about TD, I like the fact that you don't need to "be here" before enemies appear on the screen, like it would happen when trying to graze the bullets they shoot; just react as you see them, and no big penalty is had. (the hyper attaining seems more lenient than Crimzon Clover's Original Mode imho -- it's kinda difficult to pull Double Breaks where you want to)
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- about TD, I like the fact that you don't need to "be here" before enemies appear on the screen, like it would happen when trying to graze the bullets they shoot; just react as you see them, and no big penalty is had. (the hyper attaining seems more lenient than Crimzon Clover's Original Mode imho -- it's kinda difficult to pull Double Breaks where you want to)
Enemies in TD typically give up more spirits the earlier you kill them, so in a way you do get penalized for not "being there". This is also crucial for chaining gray spirits, since the window you have to keep killing enemies for them is not especially long.
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Enemies in TD typically give up more spirits the earlier you kill them, so in a way you do get penalized for not "being there". This is also crucial for chaining gray spirits, since the window you have to keep killing enemies for them is not especially long.
but it's not an exponential penalty, just remain consistent through the stage and you can make up for the loss in spirits (and again, there's less cases of you not having hypers when you want to use them, compared to Double Breaks in CC), plus, there are bombs for chain keeping (which sometimes double in purpose for speedkilling like in stage 1, before the midboss), and lots of opportunities to pointblank bosses/midbosses. Grazing, on the other hand, can kill you if you don't memo the player/bullet hitboxes (mostly the latter, since these can lead to deaths even if you don't want to play for score), and limits the player's potential places on the screen way more than in TD/PoFV imho, since there are situations where you want to graze two or more streams which are perpendicular, and not memoing them means you lose them. Plus, point-blank and near point-blank grazing causing you to miss a lot of grazing if you're a few pixels away.
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Enemies in TD typically give up more spirits the earlier you kill them, so in a way you do get penalized for not "being there". This is also crucial for chaining gray spirits, since the window you have to keep killing enemies for them is not especially long.
The game will also give you more life spirits and bomb spirits if you kill the enemies quicker, I've noticed.
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The game will also give you more life spirits and bomb spirits if you kill the enemies quicker, I've noticed.
Only in the sense that killing them faster makes additional enemies with bomb/life parts appear. Each individual fairy only drops a set amount of fragments.
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The disc for the demo is released at Reitaisai, right? Out of curiosity, does the CD cover and the CD itself ever reveal or foreshadow anything? Also, is the demo the exact same as the downloadable one?
Thanks in advance!
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The disc for the demo is released at Reitaisai, right? Out of curiosity, does the CD cover and the CD itself ever reveal or foreshadow anything? Also, is the demo the exact same as the downloadable one?
Thanks in advance!
In the past, the demo CDs have had a shot of a boss from the Stage 1 boss. MoF demo had an Aki sister, SA had Yamame, UFO had Nazrin.
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In the past, the demo CDs have had a shot of a boss from the Stage 1 boss. MoF demo had an Aki sister, SA had Yamame, UFO had Nazrin.
This? (http://blog-imgs-45-origin.fc2.com/n/a/g/nagomidays/DSCN3069.jpg)
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Looks like it.
I guess it's not the Stage 1 boss this time, but... extenuating circumstances? <_<;
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This? (http://blog-imgs-45-origin.fc2.com/n/a/g/nagomidays/DSCN3069.jpg)
I get a 404 on this. :<
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I get a 404 on this. :<
Google image for 東方神霊廟 CD, because.. honestly there is no "good" image that would be ok for Wiki...
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Putting Yuyuko on there wouldn't be fair to the new characters, since she's already had her game of fame. Now, where's my poster ad from Alphes drawing a borderline suggestive version of one of the characters (Yoshika in a nice burial robe, or something).
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Okay, so it's Kyouko on the CD.
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Still having that issue where the hyper mode background stays on after a trance is finished. Tried reinstalling, didn't work. Any suggestions?
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One problem:
I played Normal (on Trial mode of course) and it was too easy!
Probably the only Touhou that I will play as Hard (Yeah, I'm bad)
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One problem:
I played Normal (on Trial mode of course) and it was too easy!
Probably the only Touhou that I will play as Hard (Yeah, I'm bad)
Keep in mind that it's only the first three stages. Traditionally the difficulty spike is in stage 4, so don't make any definite statements yet.
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That, and the difficulty has a lot to do in how you play. If you're playing for score, it's actually quite difficult, since you have to stay close to bosses and stay near the top of the screen to grab all the blue spirits. If you're just playing to get from stage one to stage six without continuing, then yeah, I would say it's pretty easy.
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Hi, I'm new, anyway did anyone see that Yuyuko third card is veeeery difficult to time out?
If not, just see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHHwNbVL4PI&feature=channel_video_title
My guess is that it's almost impossible =V
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Well, that was on Lunatic. Watching from an observer's standpoint, it's possible, but playing and watching someone play are two different things. That said, it's just a trial; ZUN's been known to adjust the difficultly a little between the trial and final versions of his games (like Yuugi's spells from SA).
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The thing with Yuugi's card is more that it was choking CPUs in the trial than anything else.
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That, and Marisa's bigger hitbox causing problems
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Keep in mind that it's only the first three stages. Traditionally the difficulty spike is in stage 4, so don't make any definite statements yet.
I agree that the difficulty of the trial doesn't mean anything at all. I played the trial on Normal and it was no problem to no-death. I did notice that very few extra lives and extra bombs were awarded. Maybe it's possible to get 2 extra lives by some method, but I only got 1 after 3 stages and I was still far from the second one.
That might also change, who knows?
In TH 6-8, I always played with 5 lives (on Normal, tried Hard sometimes) and the game awarded quite a few extra ones. When TH 10 forced you to start with less lives, that kind of difficulty seemed a bit artificial to me (TH 10 was still not difficult to me because of its spellcards). Or maybe the option to have 5 lives made the prior games artificially easy for me?
Point is, difficulty can easily be adjusted. A player that stuck to a certain difficulty before might not need to crank it up for this game.
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You can get up to two extra lives and four bombs over the TD trial. All it takes is proper management of Trances, the easiest way being to use them when bomb/life fragments appear in the stage portions.
Starting with three lives in any Touhou game is considered the default, nothing artificial about that. Using more should only be considered if just starting out on a difficulty and wanting to unlock stages for later practice, but you shouldn't stick with it for too long.
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Well, that was on Lunatic. Watching from an observer's standpoint, it's possible, but playing and watching someone play are two different things. That said, it's just a trial; ZUN's been known to adjust the difficultly a little between the trial and final versions of his games (like Yuugi's spells from SA).
Yuugi's still hell to beat...
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True, and I always prefer to use Marisa, because I like her personality more than Reimu's. Then again, I managed a 1LC in TD with Marisa, so I can work with the bigger hitbox.
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http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll403/jed9876/Touhou/not_dead.png
Is this a glitch/bug or something? Somehow, the background when you're on spirit world doesn't return to normal after I lost on the stage.
Anyway, the gameplay is really nice. I like the two new characters. And character-portraits are just...nice. I'm a bit worried since collecting lives are a bit difficult because you need 10 life spirits(5 in trance mode). But its still fun to play.
Probably waiting for the final version and of course, the English patch. I'm excited to see more characters, stages and music.
Also, anyone noticed that there is no Skip on the Key Config?
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Also, anyone noticed that there is no Skip on the Key Config?
That's because you can skip by holding down the shot button now.
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Oh, neat. I thought it was the trance button.
I'm aware that the Skip button on keyboard is still Ctrl(didn't remember).
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http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll403/jed9876/Touhou/not_dead.png
Is this a glitch/bug or something? Somehow, the background when you're on spirit world doesn't return to normal after I lost on the stage.
You're the second one to encounter that error. Can you reproduce it? And is it always with Reimu?
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Uh, no. It's with all characters that I use. Kinda feel bored when the background doesn't return to normal :V
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You're the second one to encounter that error. Can you reproduce it? And is it always with Reimu?
The first one is me, right?
Hey, Mario, how is your computer?
I can't help but notice the 32.2 FPS in the corner.
I was running 19 when that happened to me.
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It's a laptop.
The laptop is slow when playing Touhou 11 and up. Its was like, averaging at 30-50 fps
And I think this is because of low memory or something.
edit: this sucks
This computer, that runs Touhou 13 in 5-9 fps, does return the background to original after dying.
Uh, is this an issue? or something?
I hope there's a fix in future.
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Speaking of framerate, my laptop runs everything up to GFW perfectly fine, but drops to about 40 fps on 10D. Do I need to update anything?
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It's a laptop.
The laptop is slow when playing Touhou 11 and up. Its was like, averaging at 30-50 fps
And I think this is because of low memory or something.
edit: this sucks
This computer, that runs Touhou 13 in 5-9 fps, does return the background to original after dying.
Uh, is this an issue? or something?
I hope there's a fix in future.
Well, it would seem that the problem comes from playing the game at a low frame rate. That seems to be what you two have in common for making this error pop up.
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Huh, that's weird...what are the specs of you guys laptop? Cause my laptop works fine with all touhou game....
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Haha, no. My computer is a desktop. It's horrible, is what's the problem with it. I have DxDiag open for people with questions. What am I supposed to be looking at?
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Huh?
I'm fine with the average fps, but I don't like the background not returning after I lost a life.
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To be honest, such a low FPS shouldn't even be considered to play. After all, replays are considered only legitimate on 60 FPS (Around 5% slowdown is permitted, because it's kind of hard to get perfect FPSs).
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It doesn't really matter as long as the person is having fun. Low FPS might be "cheating," but if that person's not trying to brag about clearing the game or getting high scores, there's no reason to try to stop them.
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It doesn't really matter as long as the person is having fun. Low FPS might be "cheating," but if that person's not trying to brag about clearing the game or getting high scores, there's no reason to try to stop them.
Agree.
But yes, I'm having fun playing Touhou everytime, even if SA, UFO, DS, TD have slow fps.
It doesn't really matter to me, since I also die even if the fps is slow.
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My main concern is how horribly unprepared it leaves you when you start playing at full speed.
My MoF 1CC on Normal was rolled back to Moriya Shrine Stage on Easy after I stopped playing at 30 FPS.
And SA
Oh my god :ohdear:
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ZUN's been known to adjust the difficultly a little between the trial and final versions of his games (like Yuugi's spells from SA).
Not always easier though. Ichirin's lasers in the UFO demo were much faster, but they were slowed down immensely for the final version and now they choke you and lock you in place giving you even less time to dodge than before. :(
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It's kind of funny, because only 7 and 8 slow down for me on my laptop xD. (7 so badly I can't even save replays LOL, although 7 and 8's extras work just fine) The rest work just fine >w> .
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And hey,
I heard that the full version of TD will come on August something...
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If it's the 21st, then I'll have a very, VERY happy birthday. :3
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If TD full version was released, then I still have to wait for one thing..
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And hey,
I heard that the full version of TD will come on August something...
Do you have a source for this information?
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Do you have a source for this information?
'Cause next Comiket is in August (12-14) and that's when ZUN usually releases the full versions of games. Unless it's a side game or he gets delayed. it's a pretty reasonable assumption.
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You know, I only just not noticed that this is thread number 9000 ... :3
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You know, I only just not noticed that this is thread number 9000 ... :3
*insert DBZ meme here*
:derp:
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'Cause next Comiket is in August (12-14) and that's when ZUN usually releases the full versions of games. Unless it's a side game or he gets delayed. it's a pretty reasonable assumption.
Usually, not always. Sometimes he releases an updated demo. That's just speculation, really. I would be happy if he did have the full game come out, though. He'll probably make an announcement on the point as we get closer and closer to Comiket.
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Also, another glitch...
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll403/jed9876/Touhou/no_letter.png
link, because huge
self-explanatory, eh?
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That's odd. Anything different about how you ran the game when you go the glitch?
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Seems like there is no language detected. That's odd, since we even have a japanese text everywhere :V
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Some of the Japanese text might just be images, though. Odd ... :o
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In general, everything except dialogue is in images, so ZUN has more control over what it looks like (and is guaranteed that it looks identical on all possible graphics cards). He doesn't convert the dialogue into images though, just for storage/laziness reasons. So if you don't have a Japanese language pack installed, the dialogue won't appear, but all other text will (since they're images).
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that's strange
as if we have japanese language anywhere in this computer,
hmm, I really don't know
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In that case, Applocale should be enough to make the words appear.
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Or set your system locale to Japanese; that'll work, too.
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Kogasa surprised me. Didn't see her coming. =P
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Kogasa surprised me.
Clearly she's learned a thing or two, then.
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Seeing how the gameplay aspects has been more or less talked to death, how about we talk about what to expect for the remaining stages and bosses?
Since the stage 4 bosses of the previous games usually have some sort of gimmicks, I think this one will have one too. From what I've seen, many people think that the boss will be different depending on the character played as, but I've only seen people suggesting returning characters like Youki, Mima, etc. as bosses. How about we have original characters instead? At the end of stage 4, you encounter four characters, but only one of them will fight you, and who it will be depends on which character you are playing as.
Another possible idea is to use the Mai and Yuki gimmick from Touhou 5. Someone once mentioned the idea of a pair of twins based off a Shisa, stone lion-dog hybrids that guard building entrances. They both will attack you together for the first part of the fight, and the second part of the fight depends on which of the twins you defeated first. I'm also convinced that this stage's mid-boss will be someone like Kisume, Shizuha, Momiji, etc. in the way she has no dialogues and no spell cards unless you fight her on Hard and Lunatic difficulty settings, or maybe she'll have no spell cards at all (like Momiji).
I'm convinced that there will be Phantasm stage due to there being Spell Card Practice. I know Touhou 8 doesn't have a Phantasm stage despite having Spell Card Practice, but still, I'm really convinced that there will be one in this game.
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Touhou Stage Progression:
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.
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Theories that Mima will return have also been done to death. :3
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Theories that Mima will return have also been done to death. :3
Mimas going to be the stage 4 boss, the stage 5 boss, the stage 6 midboss and boss, and being the Extra Boss as well.
Also Wriggle for Phatasm boss. Come on, dont even lie to yourselves, you know its true.
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Theories that Mima will return have also been done to death. :3
What are you talking about, she's already in the game!
(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd462/Evan_Bowen/18943354_m.png)
:derp:
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What are you talking about, she's already in the game!
(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd462/Evan_Bowen/18943354_m.png)
:derp:
mmm dat conflicting artstyle
seriously who would'va bought this either
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What are you talking about, she's already in the game!
(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd462/Evan_Bowen/18943354_m.png)
:derp:
That would have worked if the sprite wasn't just a smaller version of the cut in. :derp:
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I said it before, I'll say it again: aheartfeltreunion.jpg (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/exitjmouse/aheartfeltreunion.jpg)
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What are you talking about, she's already in the game!
(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd462/Evan_Bowen/18943354_m.png)
:derp:
Well, at least it's better than-
I said it before, I'll say it again: aheartfeltreunion.jpg (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/exitjmouse/aheartfeltreunion.jpg)
:flamingv:
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What are you talking about, she's already in the game!
(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd462/Evan_Bowen/18943354_m.png)
:derp:
For a moment i thought you hacked the game! :V
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That would have worked if the sprite wasn't just a smaller version of the cut in. :derp:
ZUN does this though.
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Relative...
(http://img08.pixiv.net/img/tubane/19375163_s.jpg) (http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=19375163)
Huh? This guy made it private for some reason? hmm.....
anyway it's this http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=19375163
and here too.. for the time being.. http://www.pixiv.net/tags.php?tag=%E9%AD%85%E9%AD%94&p=3
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What are you talking about, she's already in the game!
(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd462/Evan_Bowen/18943354_m.png)
:derp:
It's too moe.
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ZUN does this though.
Not with emotion signs. Dead give away that it's a fake.
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Then again, the obviously different shadowing is a pretty big clue as well.
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The art style is somewhat off too.
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Not to mention colors, and that ZUN can -relatively- draw hands now. :V
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Maybe i'm slowpoke.jpg, but i noticed that if you kill the faeries that drop bomb parts fast enough in stage 2, you get extra faeries that drop life parts, so using your trance right there is superoptimal. Don't know if there anymore like this in stage 1 and 3. I -THINK- if you kill kogasa really quick, you get faeries that drop bombs and lives too.
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Maybe i'm slowpoke.jpg, but i noticed that if you kill the faeries that drop bomb parts fast enough in stage 2, you get extra faeries that drop life parts, so using your trance right there is superoptimal. Don't know if there anymore like this in stage 1 and 3. I -THINK- if you kill kogasa really quick, you get faeries that drop bombs and lives too.
You actually don't need Trance to kill the Stage 2 fairies fast enough, unless you're at low Power or something. Stage 1 doesn't have any bomb/life part fairies, and yes, you do get four more of them if you kill Kogasa fast enough (this does take extra firepower like a bomb or Trance though).
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You know what? I've been thinking that if Youki DOES appear in the game, or in any other kind of cannon work, wouldn't it be funny if he turned out to be a badass bishonnen like Rinnosuke (Though the latter's more of a smart bishonnen) rather than a baddas old man? :V
There'd go all of the "Youki is Youmu's grandfather" theories. :V
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You know what? I've been thinking that if Youki DOES appear in the game, or in any other kind of cannon work, wouldn't it be funny if he turned out to be a badass bishonnen like Rinnosuke (Though the latter's more of a smart bishonnen) rather than a baddas old man? :V
There'd go all of the "Youki is Youmu's grandfather" theories. :V
What would be funny if is he was turned into a loli, because of some spell of the final boss.
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Tokiko is the EX boss. :derp:
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Tokiko is the EX boss. :derp:
With a loli Kourin as the mid-boss? :3
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I still believe the five magic stones are going to be the final boss.
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I still believe the five magic stones are going to be the final boss.
But isnt it like canon that the five magic stones are actually tsunderes? ZUN's not going to add them to the game for you after all, he just had time to kill and this was the only way he knew how! Stupid...
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I said it before, I'll say it again: aheartfeltreunion.jpg (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/exitjmouse/aheartfeltreunion.jpg)
guffaw
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I still believe the five magic stones are going to be the final boss.
Nah, they'll be the final stage mid boss; they're loli-tastic creator will be the final boss.
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Let's wait for the full version to see who's those pretty new characters.
Waiting for Stage 4,5,6,Ex boss
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I'm still waiting for the EX boss to make a picture of all the EX bosses TH06 and up. :3
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Speaking of, Anyone got a good idea on when the full game will be out?
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Last I heard, it's going to be "sometime around Fall 2011".
But we can all afford to wait warmly, right?
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As far as I've heard, our best bet is the next Comiket, which will be August 13 and 14th.
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I get the feeling we won't see the final version until winter comiket at the earliest
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Full version has been coming out at summer Comiket for the last god-knows-how-many years; I don't think there's anything to worry about.
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One thing's for sure, though. I'm not getting the full version until there's an english patch. So yeah, I don't care about getting spoilers or anything once it's out. :derp:
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ZUN never gives out additional info to keep us anticipated, does he?
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ZUN never gives out additional info to keep us anticipated, does he?
We'll get the cover of the game with a new character's silhouette, probably a couple weeks before C80.
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And then many will try to find a connection to a long forgotten PC-98 character.
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And then many will try to find a connection to a long forgotten PC-98 character.
Inb4 Mima. :V
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It won't be too difficult. Just check if the silhouette has no feet.
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It won't be too difficult. Just check if the silhouette has no feet.
I have a feeling he'll do something sneaky with it if that's the case.
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I have a feeling he'll do something sneaky with it if that's the case.
Like it'd have no ears?
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It won't be too difficult. Just check if the silhouette has no feet.
Last game Mima was in she had feet. :V
Maybe look for pointy hat? :derp:
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Byakuren's silhouette on Touhou 12's cover resembles Yumemi, right? Yeah... You know where I'm getting at...
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We need more new characters.
But eh, I'll pass on the Mima thing.
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Don't worry, there's bound to be new ones. Considering what we know about ZUN's attitude toward "Mima fanboys", for example, it doesn't seem likely he'll bring back the older characters.
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http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd462/Evan_Bowen/18943354_m.png
I can tell that:
Mima's sprite is a smaller version of the cutin
The BG is simple
No source, maybe drawing?
ok
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http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/899238/bakebake-ghost-ghost_tail-green_hair-hat-long_hair (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/899238/bakebake-ghost-ghost_tail-green_hair-hat-long_hair)
^I saw this once (Danbooru warning). It's probably not actually ZUN's drawing, but I was surprised at how the style looked so close to ten desires' style.
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We need more new characters.
But eh, I'll pass on the Mima thing.
Like I said before, aside from the spin-offs and Touhou 9, ZUN only reused two bosses at most, so it's likely that the rest of the cast will be new characters.
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Full version has been coming out at summer Comiket for the last god-knows-how-many years; I don't think there's anything to worry about.
Well, for those still unsure, it's confirmed now.
http://coolier.sytes.net:8080/th_up4/index.php?id=4579 (http://coolier.sytes.net:8080/th_up4/index.php?id=4579)
Less than a month to go!
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Well, for those still unsure, it's confirmed now.
http://coolier.sytes.net:8080/th_up4/index.php?id=4579 (http://coolier.sytes.net:8080/th_up4/index.php?id=4579)
Less than a month to go!
Eff YES! :getdown:
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Marisa: Oh, hi. How are you holding up? I have grave-markers sticking out of my head!
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Marisa: Oh, hi. How are you holding up? I have grave-markers sticking out of my head!
Seems to be getting in the habit of putting everything on their heads.
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Marisa: Oh, hi. How are you holding up? I have grave-markers sticking out of my head!
Spoiler: Marisa will die :o
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What's the C78 picture about again ? GFW ? :wat:
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What's the C78 picture about again ? GFW ? :wat:
You're right on the money.
So, has the cover of the game been released yet? C80 is approaching surprisingly quickly. :3
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You're right on the money.
So, has the cover of the game been released yet? C80 is approaching surprisingly quickly. :3
That, and a cover would give us some more WMG fuel.
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I kinda have a feeling that male characters would be in this game, since yoshiya the zombie guard, guarding myouren's graveyard, and myouren being male... :D
Anyway if it really gonna have a male character in it what is your reaction?
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"He is the luckiest bastard in the whole world."
That's pretty much it.
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I can't say Myouren is a good reason to expect a male character. Byakuren herself was created for the purpose of keeping him out of the games, so no reason for ZUN to change his mind now.
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I can't say Myouren is a good reason to expect a male character. Byakuren herself was created for the purpose of keeping him out of the games, so no reason for ZUN to change his mind now.
Agreed. There should be a rule about ZUN's characters; if they can be female, they will. If they are male, they, at best, get a paragraph in the manual, in the games.
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Agreed. There should be a rule about ZUN's characters; if they can be female, they will. If they are male, they, at best, get a paragraph in the manual, in the games.
I still cannot quite grasp what do you mean by paragraph in manual, anyways it's fine if all female, but it is interesting to see a playable or enemy male in this 99.99% female character in this game
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I think having a guy would kind of break the allure of touhou. It's unnecessary and in the end will only lead to a giant influx of touhou porn.
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I think having a guy would kind of break the allure of touhou. It's unnecessary and in the end will only lead to a giant influx of touhou porn.
Wriggle was ALMOST a guy, and look how that ended up. :derp:
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ITT: People think there are no men in Touhou/Gensokyo.
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Somehow I have a feeling that ZUN was almost wanting to have a male character in UFO and I wonder if that was something of a phase or will eventually just break down and do it. I also have the feeling that introducing a male character in Touhou 13 will cause Tasofro to release Touhou 13.5 Touhou???? humongoid brawl over who gets to be the one with a boyfriend.
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Somehow I have a feeling that ZUN was almost wanting to have a male character in UFO and I wonder if that was something of a phase or will eventually just break down and do it. I also have the feeling that introducing a male character in Touhou 13 will cause Tasofro to release Touhou 13.5 Touhou???? humongoid brawl over who gets to be the one with a boyfriend.
I doubt it, since no one's fighting over Rinnosuke.
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It mustn't be rinnosuke right, plus i have yet to see some girls like this games, but cannot since there is little male in it
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It mustn't be rinnosuke right, plus i have yet to see some girls like this games, but cannot since there is little male in it
I'm sorry, but could you please clarify what you're trying to say? I'm not sure I'm following.
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I mean a fangirl, the real girl in our life, some girls need a male character too right??? Like us with plethora of female character...
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Oh, I see. (?) Well, about 10% of the fanbase is female at the moment, and I don't really think adding male characters (that actually appear in the games, that is) would necessarily increase the series' appeal. (Personally, I'm perfectly content with fangirling the female characters. :3 )
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Oh, I see. (?) Well, about 10% of the fanbase is female at the moment, and I don't really think adding male characters (that actually appear in the games, that is) would necessarily increase the series' appeal. (Personally, I'm perfectly content with fangirling the female characters. :3 )
So you mean if it is a male characters you're not contents with it?
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Eh, I'm fine either way. It's not like there aren't male characters in Touhou already (even if they're pink clouds and turtles for the most part. :D) I don't see any particular need to add male characters, though.
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I don't mind fangirling over girls, and I don't see a real need for guys in Touhou, but oh how happy I would be if I finally get me a bishonen in a game. :3
I love Kourin and all, but he's not a boss or a PC.
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Is ZUN capable of even drawing bishounen? Then again, his art has been improving tremendously lately. (the fanart would most likely be very pleasing. :3)
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It doesnt need to be a bishounen right?Besides i heard that girl didnt even like bishies anymore, they like shonen guys as much as i heard the news...
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No idea where you're getting that from, especially seeing that it depends on individual tastes. I know which I prefer for sure.
This is all purely hypothetical, obviously, since I highly doubt there's going to be a male character in TD.
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A girl can dream, ne? :V
It suddenly makes me wonder if ZUN designed Rinnosuke himself, and if that original design still exists, like with Tenshi and Iku.
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A girl can dream, ne? :V
It suddenly makes me wonder if ZUN designed Rinnosuke himself, and if that original design still exists, like with Tenshi and Iku.
If nothing else, there's always genderbent art. :D
Not as far as I know, but I can't deny it, either. Kourin's wiki article doesn't say anything regarding the issue.
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If nothing else, there's always genderbent art. :D
Not as far as I know, but I can't deny it, either. Kourin's wiki article doesn't say anything regarding the issue.
It's one of those things one should ask ZUN if you ever get to meet him. :V
And I have a bit of a crush on genderbent Yuuka.
:blush:
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And I have a bit of a crush on genderbent Yuuka.
:blush:
I think everyone has a bit of crush on male!Yuuka. He's just so GAR.
;)
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Making a guy might just be too risky. Unless he can create like a cross-dressing one with a "Even the guys want him" thing going on.
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Making a guy might just be too risky. Unless he can create like a cross-dressing one with a "Even the guys want him" thing going on.
You mean a trap...
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I wouldn't mind that~
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I think, no matter what it will be, if it's a roster of females as usual, a surprising male entry or a genderless-five-magic-stones-alike, we (as in the majority of the fandom) will probably be happy with it.
We have never seen original male ZUN-Art, so I'd like to see that as much as everyone else, but no matter what, if the story and the characters in it are interesting, nothing will take me away from it.
This time, I'm looking forward to new and unique gimmicks as I want to relive the surprise of a anchor suddenly getting embedded in my face! :3
I love the system of this new game so much and want to see how the later bosses will try to keep me away from them!
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Agreed. There should be a rule about ZUN's characters; if they can be female, they will. If they are male, they, at best, get a paragraph in the manual, in the games.
Or they get wonderful stories all to themselves!
(except Unzan. Fuck him.)
Frankly, I'm surprised there haven't been MANLY jokes about Shingyoku.
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I still cannot quite grasp what do you mean by paragraph in manual
uh you know, the manual that comes with the game
ITT: People think there are no men in Touhou/Gensokyo.
fo srs. There has been shown (or described) more than Rinnosuke in official works, and at the very least the characters recognize the existence of males. I'm still under the assumption that all youkai males possess a lesser innate magical ability than the females on a general scale.
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Frankly, I'm surprised there haven't been MANLY jokes about Shingyoku.
Because apparently PC-98 never happened. :V *shot*
No kidding. If we had Shingyoku in HRtP then there's still a possibility of a male character, but then it's a tiny one. ZUN has changed A LOT since PC-98, so this is just my wishful thinking.
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(except Unzan. Fuck him.)
no (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imvSdt0Hxb0#t=35s)
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no (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imvSdt0Hxb0#t=35s)
I was waiting for this. :getdown:
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BV
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no (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imvSdt0Hxb0#t=35s)
oh god
this turns me on
whyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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no (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imvSdt0Hxb0#t=35s)
Unzan's gonna be the Ex-boss, using that as his final spell.
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I think another male character that hasn't been mentioned is
Iwakasa, the guy that Mokou murdered to steal the Hourai Elixir.
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I think another male character that hasn't been mentioned is Iwakasa, the guy that Mokou murdered to steal the Hourai Elixir.
He was an actual character in the Tale of the Bamboo Cutter, so not sure that counts.
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He was an actual character in the Tale of the Bamboo Cutter, so not sure that counts.
Kaguya was too, so that's not really saying much.
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And Myouren was a person who actually existed, Byakuren being based on his sister. So yeah. :V
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(http://en.touhouwiki.net/images/9/9e/TH13Youmu.png)
Youmu - Now half human, half ghost, and half janitor.
I mean seriously, I saw the picture and thought she was holding a giant mop.
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Maybe ZUN followed ED's advice a little too closely HOW DARE YOU, BEDHAIR IS THE NEWEST FAD IN MOE
(IMO she looks fine, though)
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(http://en.touhouwiki.net/images/9/9e/TH13Youmu.png)
Youmu - Now half human, half ghost, and half janitor.
I mean seriously, I saw the picture and thought she was holding a giant mop.
Maybe Zun was trying to appease Sakuya fans but it didn't work.
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They said that ten desires is the easiest game so far is it true?
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They said that ten desires is the easiest game so far is it true?
Unless you haven't played the demo then yes it is true.
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They said that ten desires is the easiest game so far is it true?
Depends. Its certainly easier than SA and UFO- that is, until you start trying to play for score. Then the whole thing is a real pain in the neck.
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They said that ten desires is the easiest game so far is it true?
Taking only the first three stages in account, I'd say LLS and IN are still easier. Actually, MS and PCB are really easy until stage 4 as well. It also depends in the diffculty level, of course. TD really is on the easier side on Normal, but on Lunatic it's more on par with the more recent entries of the series.
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Yeah, Lunatic so far isn't much less difficult than recent entries. Easier than UFO for sure, but that's only because UFO's first half is noticeably harder than usual. I've only done in-depth scoring with Reimu, but from what I've found there actually isn't a whole lot of tough dodging to be had when you approach the game this way. Most of the time you'll have a bomb or a hyper going off during each of the bosses' attacks.
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They said that ten desires is the easiest game so far is it true?
I think that what we have seen so far is pretty easy compared to UFO but compared to the rest of the series, i'd actually call it harder.
It would really have to be trying to beat PCB in terms of easiness and you seem to get less lives than normal so, no. I wouldn't call it the easiest.
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I think that what we have seen so far is pretty easy compared to UFO but compared to the rest of the series, i'd actually call it harder.
It would really have to be trying to beat PCB in terms of easiness and you seem to get less lives than normal so, no. I wouldn't call it the easiest.
Dont you mean IN? In IN, the games gives you more lives from the get go and lax difficulty. In PCB after Stage 3 is HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK?!
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Dont you mean IN? In IN, the games gives you more lives from the get go and lax difficulty. In PCB after Stage 3 is HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK?!
Stage 4 of PCB is just crazy i hate those random moving-shuriken spirit thingy, and those royal fairy..
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Stage 4 of PCB is just crazy i hate those random moving-shuriken spirit thingy, and those royal fairy..
wat
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The general consensus is that Imperishable Night is the easiest game of the series, yes. But of course individual results may vary depending on playing style and strengths.
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The game should be out around August 10, right? We should also be getting the game cover around these days, right?
Thanks in advance!
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Comiket is August 12 to 14.
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Dont you mean IN? In IN, the games gives you more lives from the get go and lax difficulty. In PCB after Stage 3 is HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK?!
I dunno, its all the same to me. You just need to know the stages and the bosses and pretty much everything will take care of itself. That is when viewed in comparison to SA and UFO spells.
PCB just manages to be even easier than IN by having a really easy final boss and the cherry border system that you can really abuse if you know what you are doing.
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Don't forget, its near.
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and it's just one week away.....
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I'll be playing Reincarnation this whole week, just in case.
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I'll be playing Reincarnation this whole week, just in case.
You realize that the cryptic dialogue from stage 3 in Youmu's scenario describes someone who couldn't possibly be Mima right Yay Reincarnation! \o/
So, assuming that spell practice's return means a return of last words, what should we expect to see from them? I personally can only think of nightmarish ideas for Yoshika's last word, with her spirit eating gimmick and all.
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Yay, I'm back from... someplace! It feels good to be back.
Wow, I can't believe it's just one week away. I remember crying just at the thought of waiting throughout the entire summer for this. Time flies, I guess.
(Now to just suffer 7 days of pure torture. I can't wait!)
Wait a second... how come not everyone is posting here and getting all crazy about next week?
I am ashamed. I expected more hype~
I'll be playing Reincarnation this whole week, just in case.
I don't think Mima is coming back (actually I do it's super obvious ZUN is going to include her), but I've been doing this for the past month, too! \o/
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You're probably speaking too soon. We still have that last week before release to get more hyped up. Though this isn't like some other games out there that might leak out bits of content leading up to the release to build all that hype. We'll only know more about Ten Desires once Comiket rolls around.
I am getting pumped though. Even if I can't take ns' record for Reimu Lunatic by then, I'll still be there to score the full version. Plus having access to both Stage and Spell Practice will make actually playing the game much more convenient. Plus my mind is buzzing through the possibilities of some of the game mechanics shifting slightly.
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You realize that the cryptic dialogue from stage 3 in Youmu's scenario describes someone who couldn't possibly be Mima right Yay Reincarnation! \o/
So, assuming that spell practice's return means a return of last words, what should we expect to see from them? I personally can only think of nightmarish ideas for Yoshika's last word, with her spirit eating gimmick and all.
I guess the last boss can be a lolified version or a representation of Izanagi, due to the theme of death (trance, Yoshika and her stage). Wonder if we'll see Komachi as a 4th boss, and if Yoshika will be the Extra Stage's midboss, at 10pm as she mentioned on Marisa's scenario.
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I guess the last boss can be a lolified version or a representation of Izanagi, due to the theme of death (trance, Yoshika and her stage). Wonder if we'll see Komachi as a 4th boss, and if Yoshika will be the Extra Stage's midboss, at 10pm as she mentioned on Marisa's scenario.
I think you meant Izanami?
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Y'know, I can't figure out why, but I just don't enjoy playing TD. I liked it when the demo first came out, since it was a super shiny new Toohoos game, but...I dunno, it's just not fun to play. It's not particularly difficult, but playing it frustrates me much more than, say, UFO (which is much harder overall). Hopefully the full version will change my mind.
I dunno, anyone else feel this way?
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I think you meant Izanami?
is that supposed to be a joke on izanami being female and izanagi being male or did you just not know they were siblings
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Y'know, I can't figure out why, but I just don't enjoy playing TD. I liked it when the demo first came out, since it was a super shiny new Toohoos game, but...I dunno, it's just not fun to play. It's not particularly difficult, but playing it frustrates me much more than, say, UFO (which is much harder overall). Hopefully the full version will change my mind.
I dunno, anyone else feel this way?
I know what you mean. I think ZUN's game design and danmaku style are just changing.
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Call me when it's coming out, this'll here run in a loop until then. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KDqw2QMcto)
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is that supposed to be a joke on izanami being female and izanagi being male or did you just not know they were siblings
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It doesn't really have anything to do with the fact that they're siblings/married but rather with:
I guess the last boss can be a lolified version or a representation of Izanagi, due to the theme of death (trance, Yoshika and her stage). Wonder if we'll see Komachi as a 4th boss, and if Yoshika will be the Extra Stage's midboss, at 10pm as she mentioned on Marisa's scenario.
Because he/she guessed that the last boss was her because of the theme of death, he/she probably meant Izanami, but typed Izanagi instead because the names are similar. To which I replied that perhaps he/she meant Izanami, who is the deity of death, rather than Izanagi who is the deity of creation.
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Call me when it's coming out, this'll here run in a loop until then. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KDqw2QMcto)
Do you have a link to a non-extended ver ?
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Though this isn't like some other games out there that might leak out bits of content leading up to the release to build all that hype. We'll only know more about Ten Desires once Comiket rolls around.
Well, there is the possibility of the games cover to appear on ZUNs Blog every second now.
Sadly, there is not telling when it will be. SAs cover appeared 10 days before its release, UFOs only 2 days before, so it's all depending on ZUNs whims.
All we know for sure is that it will have a Silhouette on it, which will look oddly like the personified version of the five magic stones everyone has been waiting for since forever ....don't lie to me, you know it's true! :ohdear:
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Do you have a link to a non-extended ver ?
Here. (http://www.mediafire.com/?bx76koxbbo1fco6)
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Y'know, I can't figure out why, but I just don't enjoy playing TD. I liked it when the demo first came out, since it was a super shiny new Toohoos game, but...I dunno, it's just not fun to play. It's not particularly difficult, but playing it frustrates me much more than, say, UFO (which is much harder overall). Hopefully the full version will change my mind.
I dunno, anyone else feel this way?
I don't mind stage1, stage2, some attacks are just annyoing, stage3, i dont really like any of the attack the boss uses, except for her 2nd spellcard. Yea.. im not really into TD either, theres still stages to go and spell practice though.
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ZUN always has a distinct cut-off point between stages 3 and 4, I find. But there's also this tendency to write off a game before completion. I remember the first screenshots from Double Spoiler had people dismissing it as a game with zero difficulty.
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ZUN always has a distinct cut-off point between stages 3 and 4, I find. But there's also this tendency to write off a game before completion. I remember the first screenshots from Double Spoiler had people dismissing it as a game with zero difficulty.
saying a game has zero difficulty just off screenshots is pretty damn farfetched though, epecially with how touhou games are..
I also don't like the life system though, why are there so few compared to the older games?
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saying a game has zero difficulty just off screenshots is pretty damn farfetched though, epecially with how touhou games are..
I also don't like the life system though, why are there so few compared to the older games?
It seems like it's to balance out with the generally easier patterns.
Harder patterns + Plentiful (potential) lives = UFO
Easier patterns + less lives = Ten Desires.
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saying a game has zero difficulty just off screenshots is pretty damn farfetched though, epecially with how touhou games are..
I also don't like the life system though, why are there so few compared to the older games?
I think this is a funny statement actually. In the demo, it is possible to get four lives by the end of stage 3. It's entirely possible that there's an extend item like in UFO, and/or the amount of purple spirits will increase dramatically in the latter stages. Chances are we'll be able to get seven, if not eight lives. This is the same amount you could get in MS and MoF. :B I think everyone's just in shock considering how extend-happy SA and UFO were if you worked the system.
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While TD may seem a little more on the difficulty of Perfect Cherry Blossom, the scoring system puts more pressure on me and makes me prone to mistakes. While this ain't true for Easy/Normal, I still find it demanding as UFO. But saying that, I've been putting more practice into SA and UFO recently and I've settled in with them over time.
I also don't think the scores are going to be as big as the other games, depending on how the system gets tweaked. I can see a good score estimated at around 1 billion, compared to 2-3bil on UFO.
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I remember the first screenshots from Double Spoiler had people dismissing it as a game with zero difficulty.
how is this possible
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I think this is a funny statement actually. In the demo, it is possible to get four lives by the end of stage 3. It's entirely possible that there's an extend item like in UFO, and/or the amount of purple spirits will increase dramatically in the latter stages. Chances are we'll be able to get seven, if not eight lives. This is the same amount you could get in MS and MoF. :B I think everyone's just in shock considering how extend-happy SA and UFO were if you worked the system.
perhaps, lives are harder to get everytime you get one though. I also really disliked SA's life system for the extra stage, because youd get no extra lives during the actual stage itself, so it made the learning a little more brutal, but you ended up with just as many lives in the end, i was used to having all my 5 lives at the start of the boss fight.
If we do get as many lives as in the older games, thats cool i guess, i just wish we got to our max amount oflives faster.
But yea, i do admit that UFO and SA lives were pretty out of control. especially UFO : P
At any rate, the full game should be coming out this week, since comiket is happening august 11/12/13 from what i've read on wikipedia, no matter the state of the game, i cant wait for the full thing.. i hope theres lots of unlockables and last words in spell practice just as there were in imperishable night, it's what kept IN interesting for me.
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The idea of having more lives, though, just changes the balance dramatically. Having more lives/bombs available, as well as more trance opportunities, is a clever way to abuse the scoring system and avoid half of the bullet patterns on bosses. This kind of faceroll dynamic in the game could actually kill off the challenge and unbalance it. I don't know if that sounds necessary, but having played many of the other games, this is something to consider.
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On another note, you will never be able to out drink ZUN (http://twitpic.com/60rvdf)
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Well, that beats poor me, I don't go further than cider I'm afraid.
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lol @ pict
one thing i kinda dislike, is once you figure out some of the lunatic difficulty attacks, they become so much more trivial. It's like most spellcards/nonspellcards are meant to be just prolonged by standing not under the boss. I'm an agressive type player who goes all-in, so this is really against my style to stay in the bottom left corner until the shitstorm on the boss passes, just to have an easy kill.. see stage2's boss last spellcard, it seemed super ultra hard to be the first few times, then when i figured it out, probably one of the easiest lunatic spellcards in touhou history, you have to dodge like 6 bullets with wide open space every volley, just misdirect the big attack on one of the two corners and head to the other corner once the attack launches : P
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I think it is one of the easier ones when you can see through it properly. I know it's riskier, but what I usually do is stand above near the boss to gobble those spirits. After the release, I dodge near to either of top corners. My failure rate is about 50/50, but I'm usually happy with the results.
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Here. (http://www.mediafire.com/?bx76koxbbo1fco6)
Nice, thanks.
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perhaps, lives are harder to get everytime you get one though. I also really disliked SA's life system for the extra stage, because youd get no extra lives during the actual stage itself, so it made the learning a little more brutal, but you ended up with just as many lives in the end, i was used to having all my 5 lives at the start of the boss fight.
If we do get as many lives as in the older games, thats cool i guess, i just wish we got to our max amount oflives faster.
But yea, i do admit that UFO and SA lives were pretty out of control. especially UFO : P
At any rate, the full game should be coming out this week, since comiket is happening august 11/12/13 from what i've read on wikipedia, no matter the state of the game, i cant wait for the full thing.. i hope theres lots of unlockables and last words in spell practice just as there were in imperishable night, it's what kept IN interesting for me.
You might get the same amount of lives in the end... IF you stay alive. You only get the star pieces if you don't die. In other words, every time you die, you essentially lose 1.2 usable lives. And for the people that aren't that good, that's a huge problem, and especially since bombs waste power, and unlike MoF, you only get 4. At least UFO had the decency to still give you star pieces even if you died. Or maybe Nue is just nicer.
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You might get the same amount of lives in the end... IF you stay alive. You only get the star pieces if you don't die. In other words, every time you die, you essentially lose 1.2 usable lives. And for the people that aren't that good, that's a huge problem, and especially since bombs waste power, and unlike MoF, you only get 4.
Truth be told, this is part of the reason I dislike SA as much as I do. I know people dislike when TVtropes is invoked, but it really sums up the lives system in SA perfectly:
An Unstable Equilibrium occurs when there is a design feature in a game that rewards a player who performs well with advantages that help them in later parts of the game.
This can cause many effects, both good and bad. On the bad side, it can create a situation where early advantages accumulate to the point where the game becomes very easy later on. A player who fails to take early advantages will find the game much harder in the later stages.
Because lives gained is directly tied to how many times you die, the less skilled a player is, the fewer resources the game gives you. It has the ironic conclusion where the only way to get the maximum amount of lives in SA is to prove you don't need any of them.
That said, I do hope the full version gives the less skilled player a chance to gain a usable amount of lives. Even if I'll suck it up and learn how to gain lives, I'd much rather not have to worry about that while dodging lunatic-level danmaku.
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That said, I do hope the full version gives the less skilled player a chance to gain a usable amount of lives. Even if I'll suck it up and learn how to gain lives, I'd much rather not have to worry about that while dodging lunatic-level danmaku.
Now that's what the problem was with UFO, the way to get extra lives and bombs was separate from the core gameplay. You had to focus on 2 things at the same time. Though not that it was a bad idea, it created a different kind of difficulty.
Also I just read up that purple spirits drop 1/10 life fragments, and 1/5 life fragments during trance mode.
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Also I just read up that purple spirits drop 1/10 life fragments, and 1/5 life fragments during trance mode.
The number of fragments you need increases for each life you get.
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Because lives gained is directly tied to how many times you die, the less skilled a player is, the fewer resources the game gives you. It has the ironic conclusion where the only way to get the maximum amount of lives in SA is to prove you don't need any of them.
I know what you're talking about, but if we bring scoring into the topic, it does bring in an extra layer of what the extra lives are actually used for. Scoring in SA you need to be able to suicide for points early on (and later on even), yet still balance it enough to keep your maximum by Utsuho. All the lives you gain early on are used up on Parsee,and then you need to gradually build back up.
When you're simply playing for survival (as you described), the net lives you have isn't directly proportional to how well you do. It could be said then, that the usual complaint of "the game showers you with lives" is invalid. It also means that the difficulty of the game isn't directly proportional to your skill, either. Throughout the course of the game, at best you have 13 lives. In the worst case, you have to die 10 times on life-giving patterns and then one more death in order to game over at SubSun (13-(10/5)= 11, 11-(10+1)=0).
Now that's what the problem was with UFO, the way to get extra lives and bombs was separate from the core gameplay. You had to focus on 2 things at the same time. Though not that it was a bad idea, it created a different kind of difficulty.
UFO has this odd thing going where because you had to focus on two things at the same time, you would die more often. However, that's really only true as you're learning the game; you don't know what UFOs spawn where, and you don't know appropriate times to summon one. The curious thing is that in order to make the game "easier", the players have a tendency to map themselves UFO routes and then enact the same ones every single time (most commonly, to get all the reds). Because it's something you memorize, people can concentrate on the bullets and easily get the UFOs. However, memorization often leads to laziness, and without enough stimulating you, you lose concentration and die. And even still, in most runs, you aren't going to get a perfect route. Something will screw up the route, and then suddenly people are in a panic because they want to get back into their route and they don't know how, so you try bolder moves to get the UFOs, you lose concentration, and die. In general, the more people try to group UFOs together as a route, the more often they will fail. This is why Lunatics in particular focus more on the concept of getting UFOs at a particular point, instead of getting specific UFOs. For stages until 5, mostly you'll want to gather reds and later gather greens, but the methods of which you get them can vary wildly throughout different runs since you don't convince yourself to stick to a predetermined route. This makes for variety, which increases attention and improves your ability to ad lib, which ultimately leads to less deaths and more net lives/bombs. In these runs, there are often rainbow UFOs to adjust your stock, which also have the added bonus of exchanging points for power items, which also helps the whole problem of "you only get .07 power back when you die".
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Just watch as the beginning of stage 4 proceeds like this:
1. Bajillions of popcorn enemies to refill trance
2. Tons of life and bomb spirits
3. Even more blue spirits
And it'll all be conveniently spaced so that it's impossible to get both the resources and the score within a single trance.
So what will it be? Double resources or 10x score value?
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Depends on how spaced it is. First, there's the 10-second delay before the spirits disappear, then the 10-second trance. So you're probably looking at a good 40-50 second spacing, although there are bosses to consider, as well as any unusual stage mechanics put in the game. And don't forget a massive swarm of knives heading your way.
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So, in 10 Desires 10 Fairies drop 10 spirits that take 10 seconds to disappear. Use your 10 seconds of trance to collect the 10 spirits the 10 fairies drop in 10 Desires for 10 times score value before they disappear after 10 seconds!
This game... :3
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Now only if we can get 10 lives to top it all off.
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10 new characters? Kyouko, Yoshika, stage 4 mid-boss, four different bosses for stage 4 depending on character you're playing as, stage 5 boss, final stage boss, and extra stage boss...
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four different bosses for stage 4 depending on character you're playing as
PLEASE YES
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I do personally sense a few Stage 4 clich?s coming my way. I'm sensing the midboss could cross over with one of the other main characters.
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four different bosses for stage 4 depending on character you're playing as
As awesome as that sounds, I would think not.
Not only would that lead to some imbalance in difficulty (Part of why I don't PCB S4 with Marisa), but that would take one hell of a long time to put together.
I'm thinking that the four bosses would be like the Prismriver Sisters, except either in one set of four, or two sets of two.
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Not only would that lead to some imbalance in difficulty
Which has never happened before of course :V
Although I do find it unlikely to get four characters in Stage 4, I don't find it so unlikely that there is going to be some kind of gimmick about it like there often is. Especially since already did take the easy way out last time with Murasa.
Because lives gained is directly tied to how many times you die, the less skilled a player is, the fewer resources the game gives you. It has the ironic conclusion where the only way to get the maximum amount of lives in SA is to prove you don't need any of them.
The difference is really negligible. You still get a huge amount of lives, no matter what you do.
Just watch as the beginning of stage 4 proceeds like this:
1. Bajillions of popcorn enemies to refill trance
2. Tons of life and bomb spirits
3. Even more blue spirits
And it'll all be conveniently spaced so that it's impossible to get both the resources and the score within a single trance.
So what will it be? Double resources or 10x score value?
I hope that happens. I would hate to see score plays of TD's full game play out similarly to the demo plays so making the player starve for resources if they want a good score would likely be a good way to prevent them from bombing until they run out of bombs and dying to replenish them. On literally any attack unlike SA where it would only be suiciding at key moments.
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As awesome as that sounds, I would think not.
Not only would that lead to some imbalance in difficulty (Part of why I don't PCB S4 with Marisa), but that would take one hell of a long time to put together.
I'm thinking that the four bosses would be like the Prismriver Sisters, except either in one set of four, or two sets of two.
imbalance? Since when was balance a concern to Zun, nitori marisa is so much easier than alice marisa or yukari reimu for SA's 4th stage boss.
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imbalance? Since when was balance a concern to Zun, nitori marisa is so much easier than alice marisa or yukari reimu for SA's 4th stage boss.
Well, ymmv as always. I thought Alice Marisa was pretty easy :I
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MarisaC was a complete joke - easiest boss spells in SA.
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Today is... Wednesday, tomorrow is Thursday... and Friday comes afterwards...
:D
2 more days!
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Has ZUN released the CD cover yet? I wanna see who's our final boss~
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Has ZUN released the CD cover yet? I wanna see who's our final boss~
Nope, not yet. Here's hoping it's posted tomorrow. :3
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Has ZUN released the CD cover yet? I wanna see who's our final boss~
As far as I know not yet. *checks his Twitter and Blog every 30 minutes since a week*
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If it has a pointy hat, it's Mima. I don't care what you say. :V
Though in all seriousness, if there were a chance that Mima were in the cover, wouldn't it be interesting if ZUN redesigned her so that her silhouette looks like a whole new character?
Talk about urameshiya~ :3
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I wouldn't be too surprised, honestly. It appears that whenever a character shows up for more than one time, their outfits are likely to change. Alice, Yuuka, Marisa, Yukari, etc. etc.
So.... about 2 more days?
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If it has a pointy hat, it's Mima. I don't care what you say. :V
Though in all seriousness, if there were a chance that Mima were in the cover, wouldn't it be interesting if ZUN redesigned her so that her silhouette looks like a whole new character?
Talk about urameshiya~ :3
theory: Kogasa is Mima.
Who is also Lord English.[/MSPAmeme]
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Mima(being Kogasa) would look awesome in Lord English's coat though. Or maybe that's just me.
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MarisaC was a complete joke - easiest boss spells in SA.
imbalance? Since when was balance a concern to Zun, nitori marisa is so much easier than alice marisa or yukari reimu for SA's 4th stage boss.
What difficulty are you two playing?
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Today is... Wednesday, tomorrow is Thursday... and Friday comes afterwards...
:D
2 more days!
Games like touhou are usually released on the second day of Comiket, aren't they? That would be Saturday.
ZUN's really holding out with the cover this time around, though... the suspense, it's killing me.
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And about Nitorisa is SA. I dunno about her Satori Cards, but isn't she worse in other regards to balance this out? As far as I remember she isn't one of the better characters in the game, while Yukareimu and Mariali are pretty strong if used well.
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ReimuYukari doesn't have to played well to be effective. MarisaAlice need to be unfocused to deal massive damage and her bomb sucks. She is still a terrible shot compared to the Reimu types. Call her overpowered if you will. I would normally call Marisa underpowered though.
MarisaNitori has terrible damage output but has the benefit of being able to deploy that barrier. If you are good at deathbombing you can really take advantage of this. I am not but it still allows me to make an acting cherry border and make survival play simpler since I can put them up in case of a difficult spell so I don't risk clipping.
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Bombs in SA suck in general. :V
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What difficulty are you two playing?
Hard/Lunatic. The spells are just as easy as they were on Mountain of Faith, which I find embarassing.
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I'm getting really worried.
Is it confirmed that th13 will come out at C80?
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Hard/Lunatic. The spells are just as easy as they were on Mountain of Faith, which I find embarassing.
Really? I just find MarisaC's first two cards to be harder than anything else Satori has. But I still think Nitori is a pathetic and boring boss. I guess its because I'm forced to use Marisa here. Hell, she'd make Icicle Fall hard.
I'm getting really worried.
Is it confirmed that th13 will come out at C80?
The wiki says its only an expected date but why wouldn't it be ready? What would take him longer than usual? Unless he started incorporating stages or play testing? :V
Bombs in SA suck in general. :V
Eh, some of them don't.
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I'm getting really worried.
Is it confirmed that th13 will come out at C80?
ZUN confirmed it on twitter a week or two ago.
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Oh sweet, the full version's out this Friday?
Looks like I'll be doing a marathon of the demo for quite a while.
Looking forward to the release, and who the stage 4 and on characters are, as well as the eventual translation.
And in regards to SA, I find patchy to be a reliable partner.
It's got Marisa's speed and maneuverability, with the variability that Patchy brings to the plate in the fighters, and her home game, EoSD.
Personally, I like that teamup quite a lot.
Fire sign for bosses/midbosses, water sign for stages, the shot that does forward and backward for the fights with Parsee.
And I hardly ever use Wind Sign, or the one that does full-on backward firing(who uses this one anyways?).
If only because I stink at shotgunning.
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I'll admit that for a Marisa type, MarisaB in SA is actually quite good. Princess Undine is annoying though.
Also. Its Saturday, not Friday.
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Annoying? Yes. Difficult? Only on the harder difficulties.
So Saturday then. Great.
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I'll admit that for a Marisa type, MarisaB in SA is actually quite good. Princess Undine is annoying though.
Also. Its Saturday, not Friday.
Awww...
So... so it's still 2 more days? :V
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Also. Its Saturday, not Friday.
:colonveeplusalpha:
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Ehh guys. Its just one day more man. ;)
You can wait that long.
Difficult? Only on the harder difficulties.
That goes for a lot of stuff you know. I don't know about the Hard version but the Lunatic version would sometimes ask me to make some very pixel perfect dodges while sometimes not even providing visible gaps. Add to that the fact that I'm a terrible Marisa-player and I had to sink 50 runs into it before I could time it out. I'd call it difficult anyway.
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Ah, good he got my e-mail.
Saturday was better for me, you see. Hope you guys don't mind the extra day.
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What difficulty are you two playing?
I played SA on lunatic
I'm talking of the 3 spellcards that changed based on character on stage4.
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I'm so so very excited for the release. Less then 24 hours to go >w<
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I'm so so very excited for the release. Less then 24 hours to go >w<
He hasn't updated his website with a cd picture yet though : (
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What a lovely birthday present ZUN is giving me, as with every year. :3 I can't wait to see who is added to the Touhou mosaic next.
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http://pds.exblog.jp/pds/1/201108/12/42/e0088742_119122.jpg
...Looks familiar.
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http://pds.exblog.jp/pds/1/201108/12/42/e0088742_119122.jpg
...Looks familiar.
It reminded me of a Prismriver the first time I saw it. :L
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Ah, good he got my e-mail.
Saturday was better for me, you see. Hope you guys don't mind the extra day.
Huh?
Anyway, I can't wait for this game, even if the only reason is because there's a slim chance that Mima will be in it. Then again, she might not because perhaps Amusment Makers put copyrights for most of the PC-98 characters, maybe. I read that somewhere, I think. I doubt it, though.
Then there's the music, and I'm sure I'm going to love some of those tracks...
Only two more days...
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http://pds.exblog.jp/pds/1/201108/12/42/e0088742_119122.jpg
...Looks familiar.
:getdown:
WHOA. WHOA. WHOA.
http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/characters/9/103287.jpg.
Madoka confirmed for TH13.
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I thought she kinda looked like Kyouko. Only with some scythe-shaped vacuum cleaner on reverse.
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You know, I actually like Ten Desires' character art almost as much as Imperishable Night's and Hisoutensoku's.
IN and Hisoutensoku have always been my favorites...
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http://pds.exblog.jp/pds/1/201108/12/42/e0088742_119122.jpg
...Looks familiar.
They look kind of like horns...
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KASEN?! :getdown:
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I thought Kasen technically didn't have horns, just two hair bun things. Unless what might be the horns are actually the points of a large bow/ribbon, which, again, Kasen doesn't have (last I checked).
All the same, it looks like the final boss will be drawn with some sort of badass pose in-game. I can't wait to see who this might be.
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I'm banking Layla.
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I thought it was Kyouko. :derp:
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omg.
omg omg omg omg omg.
She's back.
She's finally back from PC-98!
IT'S -
/me squints at the art for a minute, finds two horns
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RIKAAAAAAAAAA!
On a serious note, I wonder if the shadow is not doing our new final boss girl justice? She looks somehow small from just her outline.
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I thought it was Kyouko. :derp:
Same here. The picture's a bit small imo, and I can find anything that conflicts.
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I wish i live in japan and play the game as quickly as possible...
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Looks like an oni. If it is, it's about time. We need to know who the other Devas are.
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Maybe instead of Kyouko, it's Kyouko's sister? You know, extra-stage sister boss and all? Just throwing the idea out there.
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RYOUKO KASODANI WHO WAS KYOUKO KASODANIS SISTER
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I guess she's not going to be part of the Old Maids Alliance. I thought the horns, if they really are horns, are something like sleeping hats at first, and it wasn't until one of my friends saying that she looks like an oni did I realize that there are "two hats" instead of one.
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That looks Waaaay too similar to Kyouko, the dress, the ears, the frilly hair, the loose socks.
But what's that scythe looking thing she's holding?
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I'm just assuming it's going to be like every other one of the past few games I was around for when they were released. "WHO'S THAT TOUHOU!?" "IT'S MIMA!!" "IT'S ... UTSUHO REIUJI!" "GOD DAMMIT!"
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It really looks a lot like Kyouko. It's more than likely her. The scythe thing actually looked like smoke to me at first. :derp:
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i will bet money that it is not kyouko
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i will bet money that it is not kyouko
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It is Layla Prismriver... No other explanation needed.
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it's Koishi.
Obv
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Hold on, Komachi's scythe is wavy-ish like that.
...Maybe it's another Shinigami?
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Just for fun, here is something I did really quick.
(http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd511/EdibleGhost/Th13JewelComparisonSketch.jpg)
And hoooooooly crap. Maybe Kyouko's evil twin sister clone spirit.
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He hasn't updated his website with a cd picture yet though : (
Hmm... :<
I can wait.
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I know it won't do any good, but to inject some boring logic into the thread:
- The divine spirits seemed to be looking for someone to accept them.
Within the cemetery, dark and smell stench of earth, the faint light illuminates the area, but is absorbed quickly into the darkness, and cannot reveal the whole story to light.
At that place, the divine spirits understood.
Each one of our desires like earning lots of points, not wanting to get hit by a bullet, or even wanting to use the spell card, such small desires are granted only in the world of fantasy and illusions. This kind of greed naturally does not come without one's own effort, not without one's price to pay.
But for one stream of hope of enlightenment, the divine spirits march towards the darkness with all their heart and soul.
And then, they return to nothingness, without knowing the reason of their own birth.
They disappear just like that, without even knowing that there is a someone who cannot help but smile while observing it whole.
As her resurrection drew near, her grin grew deeper - and vowed for her vengeance.
Also, in Youmu's scenario, Yoshika temporarily shows a glimmer of intelligence:
My... master??
What the...
Wait, does that mean there'll be
one of those dreadful religious wars... again?!
...Er, who was that?
As to what this all points to is anyone's guess, but I wonder if it's a sealed evil entity not entirely unlike (but from the silhouette, definitely not) Mima?
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I'm still speculating that Orin's the Extra stage Midboss
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I'm still speculating that Orin's the Extra stage Midboss
The wheel of rape is turning
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I think the cover is a bit less cooler than other games. Maybe because it doesn't have trees or flowers?
Just can't wait till tomorrow, but I still can't understand the fuss with Mima.
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Because Mima is Mima.
She has green hair and fried shrimp for a tail, yo. BV
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Clearly Mima with legs:
(http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/252/funlp.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/190/funlp.png/)
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