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Old thread here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15213.0.html).
Here you can ask your random, one-off questions about different aspects of Touhou. Before asking your question, please consult the Touhou wiki (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Touhou_Wiki) to make sure your question cannot be answered through some easily verifiable means.
When answering, please try to cite canon to the best of your ability, and understand the difference between speculation/headcanon/fanon and stuff that is actual canon.
Fire when ready!
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I guess Ill start off with one, is there anything in the cannon that does say that Flandre is emotionally unstable, or that she's the psychotic sociopath that most fanworks depict her as? The wiki doesn't have a citation on that information, but I remember hearing that that's not what ZUN had intended for her but I can't confirm that statement.
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Her profile (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Flandre_Scarlet#Official_Profiles) mentions she's "kind of nuts" and that "her insanity makes it difficult for others to understand her". It also mentions that since she never had to attack humans directly (because she was always fed humans in cooked dish form), she doesn't really know how to prey on them without blowing them up.
Fandom took these traits and did what fandom always do: exagerate it to high holy hell and back.
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Fandom took these traits and did what fandom always do: exagerate it to high holy hell and back.
EVERY. FANDOM. IN. A. NUTSHELL.
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I feel so stupid I missed the little .txt at the top and checked the folder and sure enough there it was. Well I now have a reason to be scared again.
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I feel so stupid I missed the little .txt at the top and checked the folder and sure enough there it was. Well I now have a reason to be scared again.
I always take it as a "don't do anything stupid and she's perfectly safe, if a bit odd." That said, not interacting with anyone outside the mansion, and not even really that, she probably doesn't have a strong sense of right and wrong. But that's speculation, for all I know she's being taught these things.
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When she was interviewed by Aya in BAiJR, she talked pretty normally, just somewhat childishly, so she certainly isn't as crazy as some fans believe her to be.
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More of a reason (even if it's just the books) to update and see how even some of the minor characters are doing, I'd LIKE to think Remilia would try and help her since she keeps throwing parties all the time, but it's also Remilia... so anything goes really.
Yes that's where I heard it from, and BAiJR (even if it is articles) takes place after EoSD. Still I'd like to know more about the everyday life of the SDM, kinda like the Inaba books.
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Yes that's where I heard it from, and BAiJR (even if it is articles) takes place after EoSD. Still I'd like to know more about the everyday life of the SDM, kinda like the Inaba books.
I hope this question doesn't insult your intelligence/fandom, but have you read SSiB? There we get a slice of insight into SDM goings-ons anyway.
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I've been trying to read the books in order (if there is one...) and haven't had time to read SSiB, I have heard about the rocket she builds and a few other things but I though it was mostly about the two ladies on the moon.
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I hope this question doesn't insult your intelligence/fandom, but have you read SSiB? There we get a slice of insight into SDM goings-ons anyway.
I have regrettably not read most of the print works. Is there somewhere that I can read translations?
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There's absolutely nothing about Flandre in SSiB, alas. ...or almost any print work besides her BAiJR interview and PMiSS article. You can see a little bit of the going ons for the SDM in various print works including chapters where the three fairies infiltrate it etc. From what I can tell, they're constantly finding excuses to throw private parties (stated in PMiSS but also kinda shows up in SSiB and one of the Three Fairies chapters) and otherwise just tagging along after whatever crazy scheme Remilia's cooked up lately (the rocket, temporary sea in SSiB, her pet chucacabra in FS, forcing Sakuya to drag people over to conduct an "investigation" into the odd weather in SWR, soy bean anti-oni festival... though that last one was Patchouli's. Patchouli also made a bunch of crop circles in the garden once. ...okay, whatever crazy scheme Remilia or Patchouli has cooked up)
When Patchouli or Remilia don't have a crazy scheme going on at the moment, life is kinda boring as far as I'm aware. Meiling's bio says that every day life can get boring so she subliminally cooked up her adventure in Hisoutensoku, Remilia's more than happy to find an excuse to do SOMETHING when Aya drops by in SWR, Patchouli's been depicted on multiple occassions as just reading books in her library (on one occassion with Marisa n a Three Fairies work, on another with her getting really mad at Marisa after a theft by Marisa results in a book avalanche), the three fairies once infiltrated the mansion at a non-party time and everything was pretty quiet (IE, boring?) with Remilia sleeping in the day and Meiling looking out and Sakuya cooking, etc. Although making life not-boring is probably a primary reason why Remilia keeps coming up with wierd fleeting schemes in the first place. The fairy maids seem to mostly just take this in panic'd efforts to keep up or in stride (SSiB) while sometimes grumbling about it (an early Three Fairies chapter. Possibly a case of early-installment-wierdness, although I do wish there were other depictions of Remilia's maids showing capacity to socialize and live and think about life)
Again, there's sadly a noticeable lack of Flandre in all of this.
I have regrettably not read most of the print works. Is there somewhere that I can read translations?
The touhou wiki (en.touhouwiki.com) has pretty much everything besides the latest FS and WaHH chapters (although there might be a few FS and WaHH chapters that you can only find on other manga sites, and the latest chapters aren't available). The SDM always gets a story arc/chapter or several in almost every print work. ZUN seems to like them (well, he did say in an early afterword we could expect to see them a lot in print works). ....again, not very much (...none, really) Flandre alas.
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A lack of information is a kind of information. We can infer that Flandre doesn't participate in any of Remilia's social gatherings or schemes, and basically everyone in the mansion just leaves her alone. The description of her as "locked in" seems to have made people imagine that she's some kind of dangerous lunatic, but I think it's more likely that she just doesn't like crowds or leaving her room. An eccentric shut-in.
In terms of general SDM stuff though, she's a footnote. She's probably the character with the least appearances in the series, especially if you count the crowd scenes filled with cameos.
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EVERY. FANDOM. IN. A. NUTSHELL.
I relate to this so hard, specifically because the users at Pojo.biz Yu-Gi-Oh! boards overexaggerate EVERYTHING.
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In terms of general SDM stuff though, she's a footnote. She's probably the character with the least appearances in the series, especially if you count the crowd scenes filled with cameos.
This is why I still hold out a small amount of hope that she'll be in Impossible Spell Card. It seems the most likely of a chance she'll get to reappear, with characters like Keine and Yuyuko coming back for no discernable reason. But I realize the odds are astronomically low. She was one of the only characters to NOT appear in a background even once in HM (though that's likely because there were no SDM stages).
The touhou wiki (en.touhouwiki.com) has pretty much everything besides the latest FS and WaHH chapters (although there might be a few FS and WaHH chapters that you can only find on other manga sites, and the latest chapters aren't available).
Thanks, I'll go check that out sometime.
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What is Sanae wearing around her neck in her UFO profile pic?
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What is Sanae wearing around her neck in her UFO profile pic?
Cuc answered that here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13761.msg912927.html#msg912927).
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Is it possible for Sekibanki's body to move on its own accord while her head is detached from it? In-game, if I remember correctly, her body generally stays immobile when her head goes flying, presumably because it is in a state of paralysis because the spinal cord has been severed (however with how Sekibanki's ability works, she can be decapitated and the head put back on without Sekibanki becoming quadriplegic). However, a lot of fans depict her as being able to move her body when her head is detached from it. I know this is a pretty silly question, but it's been bugging me for quite a while...
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She moves around in her last spell. Kinda slow and stops in between but still moving, so that's that I guess.
She definitely can move around but since body and head are still the same person she has to control the movement of both which is probably straining.
Like writing with both hands at the same time. :V
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Cuc answered that here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13761.msg912927.html#msg912927).
That's... oddly obscure. I knew it wasn't quite a shimenawa or something similar. I was thinking that Sanae was going all out in Shinto gear for youkai extermination. She's got extra streamers on her oosuna, that necklace and a lot of shide hanging off her skirt.
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On behalf of Nobu (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16779.msg1090844.html#msg1090844):
What kind of tea does Reimu drink?
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I always thought it was green tea but then I guess that's mostly in Fanon, I don't think a kind of tea has been mentioned except for what Remilia drinks.
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I always thought it was green tea but then I guess that's mostly in Fanon, I don't think a kind of tea has been mentioned except for what Remilia drinks.
Oooh, then may I ask what has been mentioned for Remilia? I'm intensely curious about the tea drinking habits of the resident Gensokyoans, and any attempts at interviewing them myself have been met with vague comments that I should just write a fic about it myself if I am so interested in knowing.
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Sakuya slaps in a different ingredient depending on her mood for experimentation purposes, not all of which Remilia likes. Several of the print works or game endings have Remilia asking Sakuya what she put in and Sakuya responding that she was trying a new ingredient, although I forget the exact print works in question (Pretty sure Remilia's Imperishable Night ending is one of them though).
Remilia's ESoD profile says it's blood (actual blood) tea, but that hasn't come up in any other print work or game ending afterwards (though one of Sakuya's ingredients that she tried was meant to simulate it, IIRC).
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Is it known if Satori can read into Eiki/Yama mind? For that matter are Yamas in general even living creatures?
Is it possible for Eiki to use her 'Cleansed Crystal Mirror' to look into the past of any creatures even those higher in ranking/status(high gods in heaven) than her?
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Is it known if Satori can read into Eiki/Yama mind?
I don't see why not, but it's not mentioned anywhere in canon.
For that matter are Yamas in general even living creatures?
As much as gods are, I'd wager.
Is it possible for Eiki to use her 'Cleansed Crystal Mirror' to look into the past of any creatures even those higher in ranking/status(high gods in heaven) than her?
This is never discussed in canon, although since it's used specifically to judge mortals, I'd argue that it can show only their past, and it wouldn't work on beings that normally wouldn't have to be judged by a Yama (like gods).
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Is there a specific reason that even recent Touhou games (th14) are locked to 4:3 resolution (640x480, 960x720, 1280x960) without the option of 16:9?
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The alternative being... letterboxing? The naive answer here is "that's the aspect ratio of the game window". I'm guessing the reason you ask is that your monitor doesn't have the capability to keep aspect ratio when playing fullscreen?
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This is gonna be very stange but is there a reason why when playing music from your PC through you xbox, why Kourou ~ Eastern Dream... comes out very different? It's very slow and much of the song is gone and not to mention it's 10 min's long! I thought it was a new track I had but when I looked The one from EoSD is the only version I have, it's got that Last End feel from Zelda MM.
Never mind, that was a stupid question, sorry for wasting room.
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The alternative being... letterboxing? The naive answer here is "that's the aspect ratio of the game window". I'm guessing the reason you ask is that your monitor doesn't have the capability to keep aspect ratio when playing fullscreen?
My bad, I should have phrased the question better. My original intent was to know why ZUN's later iterations of touhou are rendered in 4:3 and why he doesn't develop the ability for the game rendered in 16:9 when 4:3 is considered "outdated". For example, Skyrim(and many other games) have the ability to be rendered in 4:3 and 16:9 as per their graphics options.
I'm guessing the answer being that the game engine is incapable being rendered in other aspect ratios and that touhou has probably been running off the same engine for a long time. ZUNs probably too busy composing the BGM for the next game to update/ remake the engine. Or Maybe JP computers still use 4:3?
Also I remember your signature and avatar, you're the guy that made the bossrush mods for th11 and 12 I dl'd a long time ago before I at MOTK. Thankyou!
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Whatever happened to Touhou Clock? Does that still exist?
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I think the era of fads was first the Naruto Fanbase fad, then the vocaloid fad, and then the era of TOHO FAD and then well... pony fad.And then whats next, furries? I saw that the Kantai Collection has taken over after touhou and it became popular today. When I searched Kantai Collection,all I saw was some girls in cute battle suits and swimsuits using WW2 references and battleships to fight aliens from outer space. Is Kantai Collection the next fad? I think its growing popular in Japan. It also has taken over comiket i think. Is touhou still popular? Can the touhou fanbase continue to still live on forever? :ohdear:
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Dude, relax. Touhou still has a large presence from what I've gathered. Despite the new "fads," I think Touhou can continue going strong for quite a while.
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There are a lot of people creating PVs, games, remixes about Touhou. I think that it keeps pretty alive. And I am sure that even if Touhou "ends" today you'll have material made from fans to consume for more 30 years :P
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Whatever happened to Touhou Clock? Does that still exist?
I guess the site broke, but I'm not entirely sure about that.
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Touhou won't die but I've seen a huge drop in popularity. Just look at the fan sites. This place still seems up and running but if you look at pooshlmer it's practically dead. If you look at THP it's practically dead as well - or at least in comparison to a while back. The fanbase isn't what it once was but it's still a significant influential force. Kantai collection seems to have dealt us a blow - especially in the popularity polls - but Touhou still stands. Touhou has lasted many years and is still strong. While Zun is still producing and fans are still creating, Touhou will still be popular. Face it, you can practically live of only touhou-based entertainment for multiple years - then multiple years to come. I don't think that a fanbase that's been going for this long and is still producing this much will fall out of popularity any time soon.
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Because people are forced to ever only like one thing at a time.
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I'm still worried though despite the large amount of fanworks that has been produced in the touhou franchise. I don't want our fanbase to go extinct! :( Are the touhou fans now still crazy about it as before?
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I'm still worried though despite the large amount of fanworks that has been produced in the touhou franchise. I don't want our fanbase to go extinct! :( Are the touhou fans now still crazy about it as before?
Fact: there are still fans of Liberace. So no, Touhou's fandom will not die.
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This is probably a strange question with a subjective answer.
So with Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire getting remade, I saw someone brought up those games' "overused trumpet" soundtracks, which is apparently one thing people complained about in those games. I heard ZUN uses lots of trumpets, or at least similar-sounding instruments, for his soundtracks as well.
Does that mean those who didn't like the trumpets in R/S won't like Touhou's soundtrack as well?
Thanks in advance!
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He uses slightly different instrument sets for each game. PCB was the worst offender for trumpets, although that's not to say that he doesn't use them anywhere else. He seems to be moving away from them though.
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So... are trumpets good or bad?
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The trumpet ZUN has used throughout the series (Romantic Tp.) is pretty iconic ZUN, to the point where they're colloquially called ZUNpets. The main irk people have is when the trumpet goes above a certain octave since it becomes very shrilly, and people don't like it. He did it a lot in PCB and IN (which imo was worse for it). So in a sense ZUNpets are good since they're iconic and identifiable in his songs, but they're bad when they're overused and done poorly. It really has nothing to do with the RSE trumpets though, since those are just renowned for being flat-out terrible sounding.
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Is Seija a lefty?
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What is the artist/album of the smooth (sorry, don't know genres) song that was on a few minutes ago?
The title of the song showed as "05 Glitter."
The lyrics repeated: "Dancing through the night."
Thank you in advance.
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Is Seija a lefty?
Do you mean handedness or politically?
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Do you mean handedness or politically?
Both I guess.
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I can't say anything about handedness, but since Seija is the ultimate contrarian she would probably hold whatever political views are in opposition to those of most people around her.
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Did ZUN work on Kantai Collection? One of the characters looks like she was drawn in ZUN's style and the music from the game reminds me a lot of ZUN's own works.
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Nope, he didn't.
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Here's another question that I was very curious to ask but I dunno if its okay...I dunno if its really okay to ask but Here goes nothing!
Just how many hentai doujins do this fandom have compared to other fandoms?! And whats the ratio of hentai doujins to non-hentai doujins? Will this make a bad image to the fanbase? (also how many yuri doujins compared to hetero?) :derp: :V
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Let's take a site that hosts doujin (that site will not be named). They have.. 12,249 galleries of Touhou doujin. Note this number includes repeat listings, translated versions, and the like. Of those, 6,183 are tagged with Non-H. Almost half. And on a site that is specifically for porn. What's important is not the specific percentage but the fact that there are significant numbers of both Non-H and H Touhou doujinshi, and the Non-H stuff invades the H corners more than the other way around.
Given that in most fandoms the amount of Non-H doujin is far smaller than the amount of H content (i.e. most commercialized works), it is impressive and a testament to the appeal of Touhou beyond just providing imagination fucktoys for mass consumption. That extends beyond doujin and to fan content in general.
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I'm also very curious whats ZUN's reaction when he sees touhou pr0n. Since he doesn't like his characters sexualized. Maybe he'll be sad, disgusted or angry when he sees it. Or maybe he got so used to it and always be chill? The Non-H doujin of touhou really dominates the H-doujin section but the amount of H-doujin of touhou i see overweights the h-doujin of other fandoms. I just hope it will get less because i'm sick of seeing my favourite touhou characters being a cheap fanservice. :barf:
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I think ZUN's pretty okay with Touhou H stuff, as long as you don't shove it in his face or something like that.
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but the amount of H-doujin of touhou i see overweights the h-doujin of other fandoms.
This is really only because of the sheer quantity of doujinshi Touhou has overall, and probably also from selection bias.
I just hope it will get less because i'm sick of seeing my favourite touhou characters being a cheap fanservice. :barf:
"I don't want to see the porn so I don't want anyone else to see it either"
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Porn sells. I doubt we'll ever see 'less' of it.
Also, filing away all H doujin as cheap really sells genre short. Sure, some are badly characterized and might as well be generic Touhou palette swaps, and as a rule even if you do like porn there will be a lot of it you don't care for, but a number of them have interesting/amusing plotlines woven in and are very well executed.
That and well.. if you don't like how someone's Gensokyo looks, just look at a different one. I'm sure there are a number of them where even the older youkai blush when thinking of a boob, and a C cup bra was found at Kourindou that literally no one in that world could use.
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16% of Touhou doujins were porn in 2009. I have this bookmarked for just such an occasion. (http://www.japanator.com/touhou-is-way-too-popular-on-the-doujinshi-scene-14537.phtml). So there you go, no need for baseless speculation. I can't imagine the ratio has changed much, even if Touhou is less popular overall.
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ZUN is a gentleman.
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I read that ZUN once told people to cut down on porn material.
Anyway...
Keine's history manipulation is in some way like memory manipulation and also make people see or not see things, but no physical changes are made to surroundings, right?
Thanks in advance!
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At one point, ZUN said that eroge was "unfortunate, but cant be helped". Pretty sure it's from the "Zun's E-mails" page in the wiki, but not completely sure. The implication being he'd rather not his charactes be used for hentai but realizes there isn't anything he can (or should?) do about it so whatever. Prior to Hopeless Masquerade, far as I can tell, he seemed to be actively making art design decisions to discourage it (like showing how characters VERY explicitly wear bloomers instead of panties, including Sakuya in Grimoire of Marisa and Reisen in Inaba of the Moon and Earth, and giving Mei Ling pants which she IMHO clearly didn't have as far as Perfect Memento. Oriental Sacred Place in its original iteration was a lot more fanservicey in art style before changing to a new artist, which almost makes me wonder if ZUN clamped down on something behind the scenes)
....I'm still not sure how or why Hopeless Masquerade got away with what it did.
EDIT: Argh, I'm 100% positive he said something to that effect but can't find it. It doesn't help that I'm also 100% positive he used an odd wording for it but can't remember the wording, thus making it hell to search for on a search engine.
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Keine's history manipulation is in some way like memory manipulation and also make people see or not see things, but no physical changes are made to surroundings, right?
I think it's like, it makes people see how things would look like if history had taken a different path. She doesn't really manipulate memories, since in IN everyone remembered that the Human Village was there, they just couldn't see it (with the exception of Yukari), but her ability certainly doesn't make physical changes in the world (since, again, Yukari could see the village normally).
I tend to say that her ability is making illusions based on alternate history paths. Although this is probably not how it really works, I think it's a passable simplification.
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Anyone knows the English name for the new touhou fangame by Aqua Style? - 不思議の幻想郷 3
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I think it's like, it makes people see how things would look like if history had taken a different path. She doesn't really manipulate memories, since in IN everyone remembered that the Human Village was there, they just couldn't see it (with the exception of Yukari), but her ability certainly doesn't make physical changes in the world (since, again, Yukari could see the village normally).
I tend to say that her ability is making illusions based on alternate history paths. Although this is probably not how it really works, I think it's a passable simplification.
And to add, the reason Yukari could see the Human Village just fine is because she's been there since the very creation of the village. As a really old youkai, she knows the true history of the village and so even if the history was "told" to her (by Keine's ability) Yukari could reject it.
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....I'm still not sure how or why Hopeless Masquerade got away with what it did.
Heard that someone at Tasofro is a porn/lolicon artist and that s/he made Byakuren and Futo's sprites, which explains "certain things about them." Maybe by the time ZUN noticed it, it was already too late to make changes, so he had no choice but to let it pass.
But then there's Kokoro's skirt... That doesn't look like something ZUN, who obviously made her initial design, would do...
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Heard that someone at Tasofro is a porn/lolicon artist and that s/he made Byakuren and Futo's sprites, which explains "certain things about them." Maybe by the time ZUN noticed it, it was already too late to make changes, so he had no choice but to let it pass.
IIRC that artist was brought on fairly late, after the groundwork had already been done - most or all of his stuff was only added in the patches.
Plus, lots of respected artists got started on porn (though usually under a pseudonym). Porn sells, and it's good for learning anatomy.
Overall HM is still way less sexualised than the average fighting game. Byakuren jiggles, but vanity is a central part of her character and she still dresses modestly anyway.
But then there's Kokoro's skirt... That doesn't look like something ZUN, who obviously made her initial design, would do...
I doubt they'd outright change it, and her skirt has stayed like that in later appearances (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/File:FSHata.png).
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Which fans do most in doujin works? The Fanfiction, the fanarts, the music or the games?
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I doubt they'd outright change it, and her skirt has stayed like that in later appearances (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/File:FSHata.png).
My point is that a skirt like that doesn't look like something ZUN, who doesn't like to sexualize his characters, would come up with. She doesn't even look like she's wearing bloomers...
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My point is that a skirt like that doesn't look like something ZUN, who doesn't like to sexualize his characters, would come up with.
Maybe I'm a hopeless pervert, but what is remotely "sexual" about this skirt? Thighs are showing? idgi
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Maybe I'm a hopeless pervert, but what is remotely "sexual" about this skirt? Thighs are showing? idgi
The faces on her skirt are actually holes, which shows off the skin underneath and is sometimes the subject of lewdness for some artists.
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Don't you guys know? No woman is allowed to show any kind of skin above the knee in touhou because then millions of sexually deprived nerds will have heart attacks in their chairs and be unable to function in their daily lives because, as we all know, the mere glimpse of female skin drives everyone with a Y chromosome into a drooling sexual coma. God forbid they might decide to wear mini-skirts or swimsuits in the future. Then we truly would have a crisis on our hands.
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My point is that a skirt like that doesn't look like something ZUN, who doesn't like to sexualize his characters, would come up with.
Yuugi's skirt is semi-transparent. Confirmed by the man himself.
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ZUN's fine with leg showing. Lots of characters have short skirts in the first place. Far as I can tell, the line gets drawn at the panty-line area. When I mentioned Sakuya and Reisen explicitly wearing bloomers, both examples were from art works where you were literally looking right up their skirts with them bent over (and if that sounds dirty, that's because it really IS that same position). "But it's okay" since... well, bloomers. Really poofy ones.
I assume that Meiling was given pants for the fighting games not because ZUN's allergic to showing legs, but because of her high kicks that would have made the panty shot unavoidable (and unlike others, Meiling wearing bloomers would make no sense)
Of course, as we all know, HM avoids the panty shots, too, even if just barely.
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Don't you guys know? No woman is allowed to show any kind of skin above the knee in touhou because then millions of sexually deprived nerds will have heart attacks in their chairs and be unable to function in their daily lives because, as we all know, the mere glimpse of female skin drives everyone with a Y chromosome into a drooling sexual coma. God forbid they might decide to wear mini-skirts or swimsuits in the future. Then we truly would have a crisis on our hands.
And this is the perfect condensed version of the whole Virgin Whore concept that seems to run rampamt amongst weebs.
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I don't see a problem with Kokoro's skirt either. Or Byakuren's jiggle physics. Futo's legs shock me the most, but it's not a big deal.
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Anyone knows where the music rights in this fangame belong to? I'm particularly looking for the Extra Stage boss theme author's name or alias.
I suppose the above thread was for official games but forgive me if I'm still in the wrong one.
These links could be of use:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQAG1QQhSuk
http://www.thwiki.cc/Nono/東方魔晶精_~Fairies_of_Sorcery~
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Yuugi's skirt is semi-transparent. Confirmed by the man himself.
Even so, it's not something explicitly shown in official materials. You can't tell she's wearing that kind of skirt from her official artwork. It's not like with Kokoro where the skin underneath is clearly seen.
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You actually can see the silhouette of Yuugi's legs in her official art in SA. Of course, I wouldn't exactly call a silhouette of ZUN art to be particularly sexual. Also, for all we know, Yuugi could be wearing pants or modesty shorts underneath there (but probably not bloomers, at least)
That said, I don't think Kokoro's skirt having holes us any more leg-showing than Reison or Kogasa, whos' skirts cut off around where Kokoro's holes are on Kokoro (...far as I can tell. Two different artists results in two different body proportions, after all)
They kinda have to be cut too in order to have that paper lantern effect, dont' they? If they were just painted on instead of actual holes, that'd ruin a lot of the festival effect, I think. Assuming that's what ZUN was going for there.
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Even though all of those that you guys mentioned like short skirts, panties, and Byakuren's Jiggly Boobies. At least they don't show off too much of their skin. Of course, those drawings were made by other artists since ZUN can't draw well.
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Touhou 15: Phantasmagoria of Full Burka
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Anyone knows where the music rights in this fangame belong to? I'm particularly looking for the Extra Stage boss theme author's name or alias.
I suppose the above thread was for official games but forgive me if I'm still in the wrong one.
These links could be of use:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQAG1QQhSuk
http://www.thwiki.cc/Nono/東方魔晶精_~Fairies_of_Sorcery~
They're all listed in the readme included with the game. I'll copy them here:
BGM:
以下のサイトからお借りしました。
http://slos.biz/
SENTIVE.NET SLOS
http://www.geocities.jp/arimas_music/
AM3（サイト消失）
http://d-symphony.nsf.jp/
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That said, I don't think Kokoro's skirt having holes us any more leg-showing than Reison or Kogasa, whos' skirts cut off around where Kokoro's holes are on Kokoro (...far as I can tell. Two different artists results in two different body proportions, after all)
Except those holes come close to showing whatever she's wearing in there at times.
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They're all listed in the readme included with the game. I'll copy them here:
Of course! they were in the links too! *facepalm* I'm really sorry. Ugh, sadly they seem to come from free websites and not really made specifically for the game in question, which means... oops, rambled too much! :D
I'm curious about Deep Rain, wasn't he/she the author of the Terminus Boss song from Phantasmagoria Trues? Saturn I think it was called.
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Except those holes come close to showing whatever she's wearing in there at times.
Only because of the animation, right? Not the artwork/design itself?
I wouldn't put too much credence on the animation making her skirt fluff up to that point, considering that this is the same game with Byakuren's jiggle physics and Futo's skirt preventing a panty shot only by virtue of strange mysterious magical physics.
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Only because of the animation, right? Not the artwork/design itself?
Yeah.
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I was reading a bit of PMiSS and i got a few doubts about Yuuka's powers.....
Quotes from her Memento's page:
"The ability to manipulate flowers is something to the extent being able to make flowers bloom, shift the face of sunflowers towards the sun, or make withered flowers bloom again."
"Completely unrelated to her abilities, she uses her umbrella and scatters flower petals to perform graceful attacks."
1) I guess this is more for those who can translate the original japanese but: what does "able to make flowers bloom" EXACTLY mean? That she can make already existing flower buds open up, or that she can make flowers grow from the ground?
2) Despite Akyuu's claim that it's unrelated, i doubt that Yuuka goes around with her pockets full of petals and, WHILE PERFORMING AN ATTACK, toss them in the air....
Does this mean that her "manipulation of flowers" allow her to create petals in the air?
Personally, up until know i believed that she can actually make flowers grow anywhere (NORMAL flowers, not those lovecraftian flower-monsters that many fanartist seems to like >_>) and can create petals from nothing.....
After all Akyuu herself admit that she is more like a force of nature than a normal youkai, and even mere fairies can create at will the element they represent (ie. Cirno).
3) I remember that in one of the PC-98 games there was an ending where Yuuka acquire the "ultimate magic", and that not even ZUN had any idea what that means.
Is that ending considered the canon one? (although the PC-98 games aren't much canon to begin with :P)
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Yuuka's PC-98 ending was canon as of her guest appearance in Kioh Gyoku, as stated in her profile there. Whether that means it's still canon as of Windows is anyones' guess, although it might be notable that the Touhou characters in Kioh Gyoku were closer to their windows designs than their PC-98 designs.
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Well, there is a theory that Yuuka is actually an "ascended fairy" more so than an ordinary (as ordinary as she would be) youkai. Going with this it would be clear that she is capable of just invoking her powers anywhere with next to no limitation (Think of it: Cirno can still create ice even in a nuclear reactor)
Was it Eiki who said something of the sorts to Cirno in PoFV? That if her life continues the way it is going that she will someday achieve a higher status of being? I'm certain to have read something like that in an official work...
Anyway, there is not too much canon stuff about Yuuka to fully confirm the extend of her abilities but considering her level of power it is a fair assumption to say that she can just go somewhere and have flowers grow out of the ground.
If that is not the case and she needs something existing to work off of then she should be able to manipulate the growth of any existing plant life, as in make a seed of a flower that is planted in the ground rapidly grow.
And that is just beside of the other stuff she can do. The magic stuff with lasers and shooting down spaceships.
Edit: Yes, Eiki did say something along those lines to Cirno. Not exactly that she would transcend her current status but that she holds a little too much power and it might change everything for her in the future. So the theory with Yuuka being an ascended fairy is not entirely baseless. Especially considering her very fairy-like wings in Kyoh Gyoku.
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Eh, seems like a pretty thin stretch based on too little canonical information. Not that "theories" aren't fun - because they are - they just really don't have a place in a canon-based Q&A thread.
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The "blooming" talked about with Yuuka is indeed just blooming. But what Akyuu is describing isn't her exact range of powers, just the sorts of things she can do. It isn't very questionable to say that she could grow whatever flowers from the ground wherever (unless you want to be super duper accurate). Also, the "scattering flower petals" is a bit liberal since it just says flowers, not specifically petals, although as stated it has nothing to do with her ability.
anyways related (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm6281666)
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So, if i understand it correctly, it seem reasonable (although not specifically confirmed) that she can grow flowers anywhere and anytime, while the "scattering in the air while attacking" is more uncertain....
I'm trying to be accurate because i'm writing a fic in which she uses her powers to their max extent in an real life-or-death fight and this detail is very important:
if she is able to grow and/or create flowers/petals from nothing anywhere she want she can literally make them appear inside an opponent's body, for a very unusual and creepy death.....
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while the "scattering in the air while attacking" is more uncertain....
Again, it has nothing to do with her ability ("while attacking" isn't even what's said...). That particular detail just highlights that Yuuka likes to create beautiful attacks that involve flowers.
Now that you've explained why you want to know this though, I think the question is wrong. We don't know what Yuuka, or really any character, could do if they pulled out everything they had and used their power to the maximum extent possible. You cannot possibly write a scenario like this without taking creative liberties that run outside of what official works have described, unless you want to restrict yourself to only a few attacks or powers just because those are the only ones we've seen. You extrapolating and supposing she could grow flowers from literally anywhere is already taking creative liberties outside of canon.
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if she is able to grow and/or create flowers/petals from nothing anywhere she want she can literally make them appear inside an opponent's body, for a very unusual and creepy death.....
That reminds me of the "Yuuka vs Yukari" doujin, by Tohonifun. Yuuka uses her powers in that exact fashion in it.
But anyway, what Drake said. The whole point of the danmaku in the games is so the characters don't end up killing each other, and since Gensokyo has yet to see any truly dangerous scenario where the rules had to be dropped, we have no canon "full power with the intent to kill" moments.
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You cannot possibly write a scenario like this without taking creative liberties that run outside of what official works have described, unless you want to restrict yourself to only a few attacks or powers just because those are the only ones we've seen. You extrapolating and supposing she could grow flowers from literally anywhere is already taking creative liberties outside of canon.
Indeed, while i'm trying to write it as close to canon as possible, it's practically impossible to use ONLY canon, it's way too small or unclear.... (my head still hurt from trying to deal with Yuugi's ability :colonveeplusalpha: )
The fact i was focusing on the "grow flowers literally anywhere" was exactly because i thought it was the most plausible application of her powers: after all Medicine, Cirno, and others can freely create their signature "element" wherever they want, so someone which is explicity referred to as incredibly old and powerful should have no problem doing the same.....
It IS a speculation on my part, but i'm trying to choose the most reasonable ones based on what we have.
Thanks for the help ;)
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If she's using her power to their maximum extent, it's unlikely that they'd involve flowers at all. She'd just shoot lasers and stuff, because that's something anyone can do. The wording of their powers is an intentionally vague "to the extent of manipulating X", which implies that they can do things other than manipulating X. Which should be obvious since they can also shoot lasers and fly and whatnot. Yuuka isn't limited to flowers, it's just something she chooses to do for her own reasons. So I think your idea is flawed from its premise.
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Indeed, while i'm trying to write it as close to canon as possible, it's practically impossible to use ONLY canon, it's way too small or unclear.... (my head still hurt from trying to deal with Yuugi's ability :colonveeplusalpha: )
Yuugi's power isn't literally unexplained phenomena. Rather, she's just so powerful that it can't be comprehended. Like when Kenpachi Zaraki fought the imagination guy in Bleach.
We're talking about someone who can create hurricanes with her voice, through sheer physical strength.
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Yeah if we're talking about Yuugi, it's best to go about as if she has no "abilities" like everyone else does, but can do crazy oni shit and is so absurdly strong the things she can do don't actually make any sense. This is how her powers are handled within the series -- nobody knows what the heck they're actually doing, to the point of Aya calling it fake (i.e. a cheat or scam). Her screams could level forests. Holding up her hands, she can make super-intense waves of heat. But it isn't magic, it's just crazy oni shit.
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So basically Yuugi is the embodiment of badass? :V
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If she's using her power to their maximum extent, it's unlikely that they'd involve flowers at all. She'd just shoot lasers and stuff, because that's something anyone can do. The wording of their powers is an intentionally vague "to the extent of manipulating X", which implies that they can do things other than manipulating X. Which should be obvious since they can also shoot lasers and fly and whatnot. Yuuka isn't limited to flowers, it's just something she chooses to do for her own reasons. So I think your idea is flawed from its premise.
Well, of course i'm not limiting them to simply use their abilities, but anyone can write about fights with humongous lasers, magical blasts and uberpowerful punches (lol that sound like Dragonball :D).
It's when they decide to use their abilities that i'm trying to be accurate, because it's the real tricky part (and some of them can practically use ONLY their abilities, i.e. Medicine.... apart from her poisons she only have regular danmakus, which are almost useless in a real fight)
If we think about it, half of them possess game-breaking or outright OHKO abilities, so merely using them would turn into a quick-draw contest.... and since they are used to fight with danmakus, where one of the points is showing off, i think they would really crank up the power only when pissed off.....
Trust me, i'm trying to throw as many curve balls as possible with the fights, to make them interesting.... heck, i've found a perfectly canon way to make the AKI SISTERS's abilities useful! (and i'm quite proud of it :V)
And yes, Yuugi is a badass..... but since we are speaking about Gensokyo i think almost the entire cast qualifies :]
EDIT: since i'm at it.... taken from the wiki's page about God: "Of note is that loss of faith for a god means a loss of their ability to manifest their power. For a god, losing all their power is equivalent to death (with the exception of arahitogami, who would continue to exist as normal humans)."
Does that mean that they literally disappear/die or that they become something like a simple divine spirit, powerless and unable to express themself in the physical world?
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EDIT: since i'm at it.... taken from the wiki's page about God: "Of note is that loss of faith for a god means a loss of their ability to manifest their power. For a god, losing all their power is equivalent to death (with the exception of arahitogami, who would continue to exist as normal humans)."
Does that mean that they literally disappear/die or that they become something like a simple divine spirit, powerless and unable to express themself in the physical world?
They go back to whatever they were before. For most, that's a nameless and egoless spirit, one of the yaoyorozu ("the myriad"). Those are the spirits in every blade of grass and whatnot. For living gods, they become normal people. For ones who've developed a fearsome reputation, they might become youkai. I don't think there's any hard and fast rule to it other than "gods without faith are not gods". And the wiki trying to provide one seems more misleading than helpful to me.
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And yes, Yuugi is a badass..... but since we are speaking about Gensokyo i think almost the entire cast qualifies :]
But Yuugi's a strong, independent woman who don't need no fancy-schmancy "powers". :V
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Ok this is really weird at face value.... Still from the god's page:
"Shinto gods may split their spirits and manifest where ever called on, thus enabling them to be in many places at once to serve their worshippers; this does not diminish the power of the god in any way. Certain individuals, such as Watatsuki no Yorihime and shrine maidens like Reimu Hakurei and Sanae Kochiya can directly call upon the gods to enter their bodies. Most gods interact with the physical world entirely in this manner. Some gods have physical bodies which allow them to act independently without being called upon, such as Kanako and Suwako (and likely Hina Kagiyama, Minoriko Aki, and Shizuha Aki), but this does not prevent them from splitting their spirit or being invoked in the normal ways."
1) Does this mean that, if they want to, Kanako and co. can have multiple copies of themselves going around (by splitting their spirits)? O.o
2) Let say Sanae invoke Kanako while being away from her. What happens?
a) Kanako enter Sanae's body while her own body still goes on like nothing happened (resulting in a Kanako-possessed Sanae AND a real Kanako at the same time)
b) Kanako appear besides Sanae while her own body goes on (resulting in TWO physical Kanakos at the same time)
c) Kanako enter Sanae's body and her original body disappear
d) Kanako appear besides Sanae and her original body disappear
e) either of the above, Kanako decide which one.....
3) Why while writing the first question my first thought was "Kage Bunshin" and the second was "Symmetrical Docking"? :D
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Answer would be e).
I would think most of the time they would only bother with having one figure unless they needed to be elsewhere at the same time, or in order to give Sanae powers (which wouldn't need a new physical figure anyways). When Sanae is invoking them they might not even be fully aware, since repeatedly invoking them would probably be bothersome otherwise.
But say for example that two people prayed to the same god and the god is supposed to show up. Does the god go to one person, then the other? No, they'd see them at the same time, most likely. This sort of "splitting" is just an in-universe canonization of this sort of thing.
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Thanks for being so quick and comprehensive Drake ;)
What about Bishamonten? As far as i can remember he is the only NOT-SHINTO god canonically present in Touhou.... would he be able to do the same? Would Byakuren and/or Shou be able to invoke a "copy" or get possessed by him?
In the story Byakuren tried to summon him to her temple but he was "very busy" and never came, so she resorted to bring Shou to his mountain.... that seems to be an hint that he CANNOT "split" himself like the Shinto gods, but doesn't help much about being possessed.....
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A god doesn't need to "show up" to be embodied in something. The point of a Shinto shrine is that the spirit of a god lives there, inside an object called a goshintai (literally "god body"). Deep inside the Moriya shrine is Kanako's real body. But her woman form is also her real body. And her branch shrines in various places. She's enshrined in a bunch of places and therefore exists in a bunch of places, at the same time, constantly. Yatagarasu is enshrined inside Utsuho, yet he's still serving Amaterasu in heaven.
Bishamonten is not enshrined anywhere, so he lacks this power that Shinto gods have. Given how Shou works as his avatar, it seems like whatever "possession" there is just granting power without personality.
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2) Let say Sanae invoke Kanako while being away from her. What happens?
a) Kanako enter Sanae's body while her own body still goes on like nothing happened (resulting in a Kanako-possessed Sanae AND a real Kanako at the same time)
b) Kanako appear besides Sanae while her own body goes on (resulting in TWO physical Kanakos at the same time)
c) Kanako enter Sanae's body and her original body disappear
d) Kanako appear besides Sanae and her original body disappear
e) either of the above, Kanako decide which one.....
A or B, depending on how she's invoked. In Hisoutensoku, Sanae can even summon Suwako to attack Suwako (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqaBpqEU9vc).
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Are Miko and Byakuren actually enemies? Most portrayals I see have them in a Mokou/Kaguya like relationship. Is that actually the case, or are they just "business rivals" fighting for followers?
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Are Miko and Byakuren actually enemies? Most portrayals I see have them in a Mokou/Kaguya like relationship. Is that actually the case, or are they just "business rivals" fighting for followers?
It's the latter. They could sit and chat during SoPM no problem.
It applies to all religious establishments in Gensokyo, actually. Their core sets of followers don't overlap, so there are no conflicts. Miko has hermits, Byakuren has youkai willing for a different purpose, Kanako has mountain youkai, Reimu has... other bosses she fought. They do try to attract human population by offering different services, but they rarely conflict with each other even there.
So really, it's just fandom being fandom :D. I mean, even Mokou and Kaguya can be on friendly terms when they need to.
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How do we know Miko is actually trying to attract human followers? I was always of the impression that Miko followed Taoism for the goal of immortality, and doesn't really care what anyone else does.
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Well, she took part in HM (even her special ability was relying on popularity), and then there was that four monkeys thing (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Symposium_of_Post-mysticism/Bunbunmaru_Newspaper_8). She also was quite eager to become a leader (although more of a political one) for people at the start of SoPM.
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How do we know Miko is actually trying to attract human followers?
She isn't. People just go to her to become her apprentices, and she's nice/narcissistic enough to take them in, as we see in WaHH 18.
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Well, she took part in HM (even her special ability was relying on popularity), and then there was that four monkeys thing (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Symposium_of_Post-mysticism/Bunbunmaru_Newspaper_8). She also was quite eager to become a leader (although more of a political one) for people at the start of SoPM.
I don't know about HM but, the 4 monkeys thing does seem kinda weird. I'm not sure why she would make those.
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Judging by last two paragraphs of that article, it's an item that would be useful for hermits. So I guess this could be sort of an advertisement for those who would want to become one (what with phrases like "With these, you can easily live longer than even the most devout monk").
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Judging by last two paragraphs of that article, it's an item that would be useful for hermits. So I guess this could be sort of an advertisement for those who would want to become one (what with phrases like "With these, you can easily live longer than even the most devout monk").
Perhaps. I feel like becoming a hermit requires a bit more work although it certainly can't hurt. I wonder if it might just be Miko's attempt at giving the whole afterlife the middle finger.
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Not really related to canon but I'm curious as to which Touhou characters would best represent the Seven Deadly Sins. Some are pretty straightforward but I'd like to know what others think.
Lust: None of the characters come to mind immediately to be honest, but I think the term "lust" could be extended to intense desire for anything, not just sexually.
Gluttony: Obvious pick would be Yuyuko, then possibly Yoshika since her ability is literally being able to eat anything.
Greed: Obvious pick would be Marisa.
Sloth: Obvious pick would be Yukari for sleeping all the time. Suika? She gives off that kind of vibe based on how I see her typically represented but I don't know how much of that is fandom. Kaguya could fit in there too being neet and all.
Wrath: Mokou is a good candidate, holding a grudge and feuding with Kaguya for hundreds of years.
Envy: Obvious pick would be Parsee.
Pride: Cirno is the first to come to mind, then Seija for being anti-esablishment.
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Lust: None of the characters come to mind immediately to be honest, but I think the term "lust" could be extended to intense desire for anything, not just sexually.
The problem is that Greed and Envy together pretty much cover 'intense non-sexual desire'. Canonically, there are no Touhous that are shoehorned into lust, but fanon pegs Koakuma as being a succubus sometimes so if you have to have someone fill that slot..
Yuyuko works fine for gluttony, Marisa for greed...
Sloth: Komachi
Wrath and Envy both fit. As for pride... youkai are generally a pretty prideful bunch, aren't they? A little voice is telling me to put Kanako's name forward though.
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I think Seiga works decently for lust because she likes using people more than material things, but that's a bit of a stretch.
Miko takes apprentices but doesn't believe that any of them are suited to actually become hermits like her. Her religion isn't really one that takes anyone, since only exceptional people are qualified.
Miko and Byakuren are elss rivals for followers and more like they just hate each other over how Miko treated Buddhism in the past and other ideological differences. But it's a cordial hate, not like they're always picking fights with other. Mostly just off-handedly insulting each other all the time, in an intelligent snarky way.
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Judging by last two paragraphs of that article, it's an item that would be useful for hermits. So I guess this could be sort of an advertisement for those who would want to become one (what with phrases like "With these, you can easily live longer than even the most devout monk").
I should note that "monk" is only in that line as part of translating a pun (but I figure making stealth insults at Buddhist monks is in-character for Miko, so whatever). Originally it was "your lifespan can be endless".
Also, removing the worms mentioned in that article seems to be how you become a "Stage 2" youkai magician, assuming the name of the ritual isn't just figurative.
I think Seiga works decently for lust because she likes using people more than material things, but that's a bit of a stretch.
Isn't Lust basically about craving sensations, knowledge or status? By that criteria I'd say Remilia is at the top (assuming she's not Envy or Pride), since she starts incidents just because she's bored. Maybe Kokoro, though she grows out of it.
Gluttony might apply to Kanako and/or Sanae, as in taking more than your fair share or wasting things that other people can use. Possibly also some of the characters with weapons that destroy spirits.
I'd say Koishi and Reisen make good candidates for Sloth, in the sense of abandoning your responsibilities. Tenshi might also qualify.
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Isn't lust basically about craving sensations, knowledge or status? By that criteria I'd say Remilia is at the top; maybe Kokoro.
Is it? Wikipedia's article on the Seven Deadly Sins says it's just intense desire for whatever, to the point where you lose control of yourself. I don't think Remilia loses control of herself, she's just bored. And Kokoro doesn't really intensely desire new experiences, she just sought them because Mamizou told her to.
If we're talking craving knowledge and status though, I think that again points to the Taoist hermits. "Desire", "ambition", etc are the main themes of their interpretation of Taoism. The game is called "Ten Desires" after all, and has songs like "Desire Drive" and "Desire Dream." Miko slots neatly into Pride (Why wasn't this mentioned earlier? Believing herself to be perfect is like her main thing.), so I think Seiga's desires for fame, immortality, people to torment etc makes her fit well. Better than I was thinking before actually.
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Miko slots neatly into Pride (Why wasn't this mentioned earlier? Believing herself to be perfect is like her main thing.)
I didn't mention her because it's not a sin if you really are as awesome as you say you are. :V
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While Cirno is quite good for Pride i would put REMILIA in her place.
Remilia is infamous for her pride, and Cirno is more like foolish arrogance than pride....
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I agree with Espadas since Remilia is so obsessed with charisma and being charismatic. So anyways, has Reimu ever go to school in her younger days? The characters that I know that goes to school is Cirno and her baka-quartet team, and Sanae before she moved to Gensokyo.
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Oh, Nobu is right, I forgot about Komachi. Her character is an instance where slacking off is directly referenced.
Also, when does Miko believe herself to be perfect? Ten Desires? Hopeless Masquerade? I don't follow the dialogue of the games that closely.
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The characters that I know that goes to school is Cirno and her baka-quartet team
That's a fanon thing.
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We know of no character that goes to school or has gone to school in Gensokyo. If it weren't stated that Keine is a teacher, I would doubt that a school even exists in the Human Village. Although I can't remember off the top of my head if an actual school was referred to; maybe she's just a private tutor kind of thing. The youngest human character we know is Kosuzu and she never mentions school.
There is of course no reason for a youkai or a god to go to school.
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Although I can't remember off the top of my head if an actual school was referred to
It was, in Keine's PMiSS article. Though the only connection it has to any other character is using Akyuu's recordings for lessons.
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That's a fanon thing.
Oh. okay :X
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It was, in Keine's PMiSS article. Though the only connection it has to any other character is using Akyuu's recordings for lessons.
The school also shows up in Inaba of the Moon and Earth, for what it's worth (which may or may not be much).
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I wonder how big is Gensokyo? The size of Singapore? And where is it located in Japan? If Zun hasn't made any statements about that, maybe headcanons will help?
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I wonder how big is Gensokyo? The size of Singapore? And where is it located in Japan? If Zun hasn't made any statements about that, maybe headcanons will help?
Headcanons don't really help.
Size, uncertain, maybe the size of Singapore, or bigger or smaller. Also, this (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Gensokyo#Geography):
The fourth chapter of Cage in Lunatic Runagate reveals that the Youkai Mountain preserves the original appearance of Mount Yatsugatake before Konohana-Sakuyahime, the goddess of Mount Fuji, tore it down out of jealousy. In the outside world today, the remnants of the mountain can be seen as the Yatsugatake mountain range in Yatsugatake-Chūshin Kōgen Quasi-National Park between Nagano and Yamanashi Prefectures, providing a possible indication of where Gensokyo would be located in Japan. Lake Suwa (諏訪湖 Suwa-ko) and Mount Moriya, which Suwako Moriya were named after, are located nearby.
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Kinda a bit of a odd question but in SoPS Kanako talks about how even though the youkai in Gensokyo can't exist in the outside world since we no longer fear or believe in them, but she gave an example that new youkai are still being created like the TV remote gremlin. If that's the case then wouldn't in that world things like slender man and many other creepy things become real youkai and exist because of peoples fear of them?
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I imagine it's because people know the slenderman is a fictional being created just for entertainment. "Murphy's Law" youkai, however, are much more day to day and something a person will bring up a lot, subconsciously or not, throughout their day to day living (and even then, such "youkai" are short-lived because people don't believe in them THAT strongly so much as just wonder if some unknown being is screwing with them when they're having a particularly bad day).
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I wasn't sure if that would be the case or not, a youkai being able to live off of one persons fear seem too convenient. But since there wouldn't be enough fear to keep them alive would they then have to go to Gensokyo if they knew it existed or just parish?
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It's not just fear but also to explain the unknown. Kyouko, who was in danger of dissappearing because science provided an explanation for the echos in the mountains, is a good example. "Murphy's Law" youkai come about because people instinctively want to blame SOMETHING for bad unlucky circumstances, like those days when things go wrong so you just have to wonder if some deity is screwing around with you. Even though it's really just a case of unfortunate coincidences, people pessimistically blame SOMETHING and thus the idea of Murphy's Law ("What can go wrong will go wrong") and its corresponding temporary youkai came about. Basically nonsense given life because people invoke it often enough. Again, in this case though, they clearly don't believe it THAT much (no one actually believes Murphy's Law is actually true... I hope), but that doesn't stop them from bringing it up when things go wrong) and hence the youkai is short-lived.
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Kinda a bit of a odd question but in SoPS Kanako talks about how even though the youkai in Gensokyo can't exist in the outside world since we no longer fear or believe in them, but she gave an example that new youkai are still being created like the TV remote gremlin. If that's the case then wouldn't in that world things like slender man and many other creepy things become real youkai and exist because of peoples fear of them?
Tupai exists despite the chupacabra being invented in the mid-90s, though since it's classed as a cryptid rather than a youkai it's possible that it was always around and just never identified.
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Is fancy headgear some sort of tradition in Gensokyo? Every character seems to be proudly donning some form of head accessory, and those who do not go around with objects atop their heads have unusual ears, other things protruding out such as horns and antennae, carry umbrellas around with them or hail from outside Gensokyo where hats are optional.
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Is fancy headgear some sort of tradition in Gensokyo? Every character seems to be proudly donning some form of head accessory, and those who do not go around with objects atop their heads have unusual ears, other things protruding out such as horns and antennae, carry umbrellas around with them or hail from outside Gensokyo where hats are optional.
It's just part of how ZUN makes character designs. He just keeps adding details to things he thinks aren't complicated enough, such as the tops of heads. You can also see this in the frills on their clothes. Hats being mandatory has toned down somewhat over the years though.
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Yeah there's no answer to the question of why most 2hus wear hats other than "probably because ZUN likes hats".
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Lust: None of the characters come to mind immediately to be honest, but I think the term "lust" could be extended to intense desire for anything, not just sexually.
For some reason Koishi came into my mind :V
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Is fancy headgear some sort of tradition in Gensokyo? Every character seems to be proudly donning some form of head accessory, and those who do not go around with objects atop their heads have unusual ears, other things protruding out such as horns and antennae, carry umbrellas around with them or hail from outside Gensokyo where hats are optional.
One way I see it it can make the character look unique. With so many characters out there in all forms of media and same hair styles and what not adding things to clothes and especially the head area makes your character look different from say the rest of the 200 blondes in anime. Granted there is a lot more to it then just hats like style, eyes, and ect., it's just one way I look at it. I have yet to see any characters that look like touhou characters without headgear.
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About some of Yukari's statements in WaHH which indicate that she's not exactly on the humans' side, do you think she just prioritizes youkai first or does she actually despise humans of the outside world to a degree?
Also, this question may seem unrelated to my previous question, but can humans turn into youkai if they manifest certain powers?
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About some of Yukari's statements in WaHH which indicate that she's not exactly on the humans' side, do you think she just prioritizes youkai first or does she actually despise humans of the outside world to a degree?
She pretty clearly prioritizes youkai. Gensokyo is a haven for youkai to flourish in. The humans are there mostly (only?) because it's for youkai. It doesn't really have anything to do with being / not being on "sides", because there aren't "sides", that's just how the system works.
Also, this question may seem unrelated to my previous question, but can humans turn into youkai if they manifest certain powers?
Yes, see: Ichirin and Alice
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Regarding the semantics of the statement that "humans from the town are generally not for their eating under the contract," considering that "generally" is used, meaning that there would be exceptions, what do you suppose the exceptions would be?
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That wording of the translation is honestly not the best, because of objections like that. The term 基本的 means more of "fundamentally" or "basically", rather than "generally", which implies some sort of exceptions. I'm not even sure "under the contract" is a good way to phrase it, because although Yukari is referencing this contract, she was using the previous sentences to elaborate on why the humans shouldn't be eaten; it isn't as though that last sentence is the whole statement being made. It's sort of like "this is the promise that the humans from the village, fundamentally, are not to be eaten" or some other weird phrasing.
Anyways, it is implied that humans from the village that are legitimate threats (in a sense) might "mysteriously vanish", though.
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Last one for today (over here); on a scale of 1-10, how much is the Touhou Wiki (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Touhou_Wiki)'s trustworthiness?
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Last one for today (over here); on a scale of 1-10, how much is the Touhou Wiki (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Touhou_Wiki)'s trustworthiness?
If you can read Japanese and are looking at the pages which are direct transcripts of the games/books, then 10. :V
Outright misinformation gets deleted very quickly, but some places might be poorly worded or leave things out.
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Outright misinformation gets deleted very quickly, but some places might be poorly worded or leave things out.
One caveat: ignore the "Fandom" section of any article, unless you are interested in what fandom thinks; not in what is actual canon.
I only say this because there seems to be some overlap at times in how people interpret Gensokyo (especially as seen with the insidious word "headcanon").
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I would like to ask what would be the relationship between Seija and Suika/Yuugi?
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I would like to ask what would be the relationship between Seija and Suika/Yuugi?
There's a lot of ways it could go. Amanojaku are kinda like oni (or at the very least, Seija could pass for one as long as she wasn't asked to prove it with muscle or liver strength) so on one hand they could be friendly. On the other hand, oni are extremely honest and never lie. Seija and maybe amanojaku in general, by contrast, are contrarian by nature and as such will lie their heads off. In this scenario, neither Suika nor Yuugi would be very fond of Seija. There's also the fact that she's probably friends with Shinmyoumaru, who was descended from the oni-slayer Issun-Boushi. If they dislike Shinmyoumaru enough, they may also just automatically dislike Seija by extension.
On the other hand, depending on the person portraying Seija and how their Seija feels about Shinmyoumaru, the oni may end up tolerating or even liking her as a valuable way to get directly to the little princess. The Seija in question would have to be quite a backstabber for this to happen though, and Suika/Yuugi would have to be pretty patient and tolerate her contrarian crap. By contrast, if the oni could care less at this point, it can be all up in the air since Suika, Yuugi, and Seija can all be portrayed in various different ways.
There is one scenario - although probably unlikely - where none of the above quite applies. Let's assume Yuugi is the type to straighten people out with tough love. If she decided to do this with Seija, it could instead be that Yuugi likes Seija. She's already got quite a history in fanon of pairing up with tsundere types, so why not? Depending on the Seija and how well you can work a double negative, the like/love may eventually become mutual. This is akin to classic Kaguya/Mokou stories in that Party A (Mokou/Seija) initially dislikes Party B (Kaguya/Yuugi) but eventually comes to like them, typically with Party B already having unrequited feelings (friendship, love, etc.) for Party A. This could also be a scenario where Yuugi's a brash-but-good-natured onee-san type toward Seija, who would no doubt have a tough time in Former Hell with all those oni walking about.
However, like I said, it all depends on who's portraying the girls in question and numerous other variables as well, so there's no solid answer to your question. If you're asking about how these girls would get along in canon, I'm guessing Seija would dislike them from the start (her plan having been to overthrow the strong and all) and provoke the two oni girls. From there, Suika could either mutually hate Seija or just not care, and Yuugi would probably keep putting the amanojaku back in her place, mainly for fun. Though there is the fact that Seija can make Yuugi's sake even drop. Then it's a whole new ballgame.
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There's also the fact that she's probably friends with Shinmyoumaru, who was descended from the oni-slayer Issun-Boushi. If they dislike Shinmyoumaru enough, they may also just automatically dislike Seija by extension.
She's not friends with Shinmyoumaru. Impossible Spell Card confirmed that, although I think it was pretty obvious anyway.
I think the oni would hate Seija by nature. She is the anti-oni who does everything they hate while showing no signs of remorse. You could always write some convoluted twist to that premise, but you'd still have to explain why it's a twist.
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When will be the next Forbidden Scrollery and Wild and Horned Hermit chapters translated ???
It seems like the translations went on hiatus; because it's been like 6 months since the last chapter of FS was translated :( :(
Thanks to the translators for doing such an amazing act btw even if there is just (sadly) a few people who reads the Official Manga
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On top of Clarste's comment I have to point out that amanojaku are very explicitly (as in, outright stated in Seija's profile) not oni. Gensokyo's vampires are probably more like oni than amanojaku, as they have incredible strength and have yanked a few traits/weaknesses from the oni out of ZUN's whim. Talking about the relationship between the amanojaku and the oni is obviously not an issue whatsoever, but picking those in particular seems to suggest a perceived link between them when there really isn't one.
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When is it Utsuho's Day?
Is it today, the 6th of June?
Or is it the 11th of November?
(Disclaimer: probably pointless. But still, I missed sixball day twice...)
<Tengukami> Hi, this is the thread for miscellaneous, one-off questions such as this. Thanks!
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Amanojaku are kinda like oni (or at the very least, Seija could pass for one as long as she wasn't asked to prove it with muscle or liver strength) so on one hand they could be friendly.
How is an Amanojaku kinda like an oni? How could Seija pass as an oni? If the answers here are "She looks like an oni" then this would assume that identifying an oni is as easy as checking for horns and chains, and while these may be features of oni they are not exclusive to oni. Tokiko and Ex Keine have horns but we don't have this discussion about them. Any oni would need to be particularly dumb to judge Seija on this criteria alone.
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When does the so called 3rd generation of Windows games begin? I always thought it began around GFW and TD due to the change in presentation and the way continues work as well as other changes to mechanics such as the weakening of the player character, the return of unique bombs and overall lowering of difficulty (subjective). However, the Touhou Wiki states DDC as the beginning of the 3rd generation. Does this game run on a new engine? Is it because of the higher screen resolution? Or is there something I'm missing?
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The plot is unrelated to the previous games.
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Happens when a person tries to use both the English patch and the original exe.
Does anyone know why this sort of thing happens?
I can try to guess that this happens because the game writes the name of the spellcard to score.dat whenever it updates its history, but I don't really know how to check this.
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This is a question best asked here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/board,8.0.html); this thread is about non-gameplay stuff. Just for future reference, as I don't feel like snipping this post and moving it.
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I chose this thread because I was curious about why this happens rather than trying to say that something's not working.
If I posted it in the Tech Support, I don't think I would be able to get the answer I wanted.
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When does the so called 3rd generation of Windows games begin? I always thought it began around GFW and TD due to the change in presentation and the way continues work as well as other changes to mechanics such as the weakening of the player character, the return of unique bombs and overall lowering of difficulty (subjective). However, the Touhou Wiki states DDC as the beginning of the 3rd generation. Does this game run on a new engine? Is it because of the higher screen resolution? Or is there something I'm missing?
IIRC, game engine was updated significantly starting with DS, so from a technical point of view third Windows generation starts there. However, people started recognizing it with DDC because, as mentioned earlier, it feels more fitting since its story is unrelated to previous games, compared to a pretty solid MoF-HW "religious wars" arc. Plus playable roster was rebooted.
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I chose this thread because I was curious about why this happens rather than trying to say that something's not working.
If I posted it in the Tech Support, I don't think I would be able to get the answer I wanted.
Tech Support is actually exactly the board for those kinds of subjects, trust me on that one. This thread, and this entire board, is for fan-related stuff i.e., Miscellaneous Questions about characters, stories, abilities and such. Your question is of a technical, game-related nature and as such belongs on the game-related board, and the technical sub-board.
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When will be the next Forbidden Scrollery and Wild and Horned Hermit chapters translated ???
It seems like the translations went on hiatus; because it's been like 6 months since the last chapter of FS was translated :( :(
Thanks to the translators for doing such an amazing act btw even if there is just (sadly) a few people who reads the Official Manga
I am the person who normally translates them.
Two chapters of FS were released a few weeks ago. I just didn't really announce it. You can find them on the Touhouwiki. There are also some "rough drafts" floating around the internet, up to the second-to-latest chapter. The releases have been delayed recently because some of the people involved are busy. Sadly real life takes precedence over a hobby. There's really no anticipated release date or anything, just slower progress.
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I am the person who normally translates them.
Two chapters of FS were released a few weeks ago. I just didn't really announce it. You can find them on the Touhouwiki. There are also some "rough drafts" floating around the internet, up to the second-to-latest chapter. The releases have been delayed recently because some of the people involved are busy. Sadly real life takes precedence over a hobby. There's really no anticipated release date or anything, just slower progress.
Well, that kind of things happen all the time.... Anyway I must say thanks to you and all the other people involved for translating such an amazing manga :D
Looking forward to FS 14!
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Well, that kind of things happen all the time.... Anyway I must say thanks to you and all the other people involved for translating such an amazing manga :D
Looking forward to FS 14!
Likewise, I really enjoy the manga. Thanks Clarste!
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I am the person who normally translates them.
Two chapters of FS were released a few weeks ago. I just didn't really announce it. You can find them on the Touhouwiki. There are also some "rough drafts" floating around the internet, up to the second-to-latest chapter. The releases have been delayed recently because some of the people involved are busy. Sadly real life takes precedence over a hobby. There's really no anticipated release date or anything, just slower progress.
Can we have the RAW files, if you don't mind?
That way other people won't be too impatient and they may be able to help with something.
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What was the story behind "Anime Tenchou x Touhou Project" all about? Does it event have some sort of story or did the Touhou characters appear out of nowhere and start to fight...
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I was just going to ask something related to that, and what do you know?
So speaking of the Anime Tenchou crossover, I read that it never got a public release because UFOtable, the company that made it, tried to pass it off as an official and canon Touhou product, even going as far as saying ZUN helped develop it. That wasn't true, so ZUN got angry and forbade a public release of it.
Is that true?
Thanks in advance!
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That is not true. ufotable never planned to release it to the public and said it was a derivative work from the beginning. Moreover if they had planned to sell it at some point, they would have contacted ZUN about its sale. However, until the trailer was released ZUN didn't even know it existed (as he posted on Twitter), so it's reasonable to assume they never intended to release it for profit in the first place. They had the free screenings as part of the campaign, and they had the bonus materials DVD release. That's it. It's a bit unclear as to why Animate never bothered with an actual release, but it didn't have anything to do with Touhou, as they never released the other parts of their campaign outside of the campaign, either.
The premise of the story is basically this:
Anime Tenchou (Anizawa Meito) is hurrying to an Animate event hall to deliver a finished anime OVA. In his rush he leaps through a boundary that Ran had just finished repairing. It becomes unstable and a pocket world mixed between Gensokyo and the outside world is created that sucks in Anime Tenchou and a bunch of Gensokyo inhabitants. Flandre is one of them, and she starts blowing stuff up. Reimu is there to try and stop her and they have a danmaku fight. Anime Tenchou has to safely get back and reach the event hall without the film getting destroyed. He doesn't really do anything the whole time, though.
There are many other characters shown, more notably Marisa, Yukari and Ran; Remilia, Sakuya, Patchouli and Meiling watch from a rooftop; Satori reads a book inside a bookstore with Koishi running around nearby; Rumia, Mystia and Wriggle chat in an abandoned building; Suika, Yuugi, Nitori and ZUN are in a bar; besides that there's Nazrin, Byakuren, Murasa, and basically just a bunch more extra characters. Flandre and Yukari are the only ones voiced.
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According to ISC's story, Seija stole the magic items she uses from various denizens of Gensokyo. Most of the items' original owners seem pretty obvious to me, but who would be the owner of the Nimble Fabric?
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According to ISC's story, Seija stole the magic items she uses from various denizens of Gensokyo. Most of the items' original owners seem pretty obvious to me, but who would be the owner of the Nimble Fabric?
Seiga? She has that shawl thing. I'm just guessing here.
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Nobody knows. Suggestions range from Mamizou, Nitori, Miko, to Hatate's skirt, but there's no evidence of anything.
It's also possible it's a homage to Doraemon's ひらりマント, just to note.
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/me lazily asks if someone have scans of the whole magazine, containing any of the official manga. Comic Rex, Manga 4koma Kings Palette, any of these and any volume. Just curious, what is selled in the same package with holy texts.
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Regarding the Nimble Fabric, I don't know if it's explicitly stated that Seija stole the items from others, but seeing as the Nimble Fabric is the first item you use in the game, it's likely that it's just a "default" item that isn't associated with any other character.
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Has ZUN mentioned Kancolle on his Twitter account before? Read somewhere that he once said Kancolle and Touhou go nicely with each other.
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He mentions it here and there. He doesn't really care for it himself and has casually mocked the gameplay (what gameplay amirite), but he more or less has to keep up with it to stay informed on trends in doujin culture. The tweet you're talking about is probably
https://twitter.com/korindo/status/382370568604897281
Which more or less says "but seriously kancolle and touhou are highly compatible so maybe i should be proactive and make a collaboration work"
This is immediately after a tweet where he's surprised that there's conflict between fandoms and jokes that he'll make a battleship character next and do a collab.
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Considering ZUN's statements regarding the PC-98 games, is it safe to say that the PC-98 games are Gaiden to the Windows games, which from what I've heard means that while the setting and characters may not be completely non-canon, the story isn't necessarily fully canon either? Correct me if I'm wrong here, I'm still kind of a noob in canon interpretation. >.>
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Considering ZUN's statements regarding the PC-98 games, is it safe to say that the PC-98 games are Gaiden to the Windows games, which from what I've heard means that while the setting and characters may not be completely non-canon, the story isn't necessarily fully canon either? Correct me if I'm wrong here, I'm still kind of a noob in canon interpretation. >.>
From here (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Canon#Canonicity_and_comparison_between_windows_and_PC-98):
ZUN has stated that the PC-98 games can be ignored just like derivative works. He's stated that the Windows era is canon to Touhou and that the PC-98 isn't, where there's no relations. ZUN has said that Highly Responsive to Prayers was simply a "study project". He also did state that the reason why the PC-98 characters aren't seen in Touhou any more is because he finds it weird to fit them into a story, but he's stated that he won't say they'll never show up again. He's also stated that the older characters aren't gone and just don't get to be shown on game-screen.
And so forth. Ignoring the fan speculation (or, if you prefer the newspeak, "head canon") on display on that wiki page, ZUN's made this position pretty clear a number of times. The PC-98 world and its characters are a part of the past, in a separate continuum from Touhou canon.
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Yeah, I did read that before. So basically while the stories aren't canon, the characters and locations still exist, right?
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Yeah, seems they still exist - they're just "somewhere else".
Which certainly leaves a lot of room open for fanworks, that's for sure.
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Doesn't Makai exist in the current Gensokyo?
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First sentence of the wiki article on Makai.
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Speaking of the Makai article, it seems that it's still lacking a reference for the statement that it's filled with miasma that while physically harmful to humans it also strengthens magical spells and seals. Was that ever stated in any canon material?
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http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Undefined_Fantastic_Object/Story/Marisa_A%27s_Scenario
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Undefined_Fantastic_Object/Story/Marisa_B%27s_Scenario
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I really need to start improving my (nearly non-existent) skills on danmaku. >.>
Anyway, anyone willing to edit the article's missing reference to point to those? I'm not exactly that savvy on editing wikis either.
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Are those Sakuya-like fairies called fairy maids or maid fairies?
And...do other households in Gensokyo other than the Scarlet Devil Mansion (e.g. the Shining Needle Castle) have them? People say they're unique to the SDM, but the games state otherwise, you can even find them onboard Murasa's ship.
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Generally called fairy maids over maid fairies.
I think you're mistaken though, the sprites aren't indicators that they're maids. The fairies in EoSD don't have special sprites for them or anything, they're just said to be so.
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I was talking about those fairies which appear to be in maid clothing.
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What music genre does ZUN'S music fall into? That is, if I were looking for non-touhou music of a similar style, what should I search for?
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Kinda hard to say, ZUN's done quite a variety of styles. If anything, people tend to identify his music with the unique set of synths he uses.
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Yes; on one end you have what Zun classes as 'hard rock' such as Lunar Clock ~ Lunar Dial [Maids and Hard Rock go together well], and then you have the instrumental; almost orchestral pieces such as Phantom Ensemble.
You have fast-paced; wild pieces like Futasuwia from Sado; and you have slow; peaceful things such as Mystical Oriental Dream ~ Ancient Temple.
There are playful peices like Beloved Tomboyish Girl; and menacing pieces like Septette for the Dead Princess; which in contrast feels almost oppressive and hopeless.
There is no one genre of ZUN music. That's why remixes cover so many genres; from rock to metal to orchestral or even jazz. Just a glance at my 'remix' playlist shows Jazz; Techno; Trance; Rock; Metal; Orchestral; Folk; Eurobeat and even Gothic [Mostly remixes of Third Eye]. Considering remixes are generally inspired by the origionals; it suggests that there is an element of multiple genres.
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ZUN's style is a mix of jazz fusion (which these days might as well be a musician in-joke meaning "I do whatever I want"), new age, 70's~80's japanese pop and 80's~90's video game music. He composes by improvising on his keyboard until he finds something he likes, and picks instruments based on what he thinks will fit.
While it's true ZUN's music is fairly flexible, that's not the reason why it gets arranges of so many different genres. Any music that gets many arranges is also arranged to a big variety of genres.
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Well, I think ZUN's music is a fusion of genres. For example, TD was predominantly trance-based and DDC was mostly inspired by rock. However, it is possible to hear other genres in it as well.
Is ZUN influenced by fan works? A lot of his newer characters and music resemble those from Touhou fan games like Mystical Power Plant. Shinmyoumaru looks like the kodama
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Thanks for the help!
Kinda hard to say, ZUN's done quite a variety of styles. If anything, people tend to identify his music with the unique set of synths he uses.
This is more in line with what I was looking for. There are lots of Touhou songs and Touhou remixes spanning all sorts of genres, but few arrangements use similar instrumentation to what ZUN uses.
An example I've found is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wygNLfhN4IM
If I were to find more Touhou-like music, does anyone know what search terms I could use?
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You should have been more specific.
http://www.nicovideo.jp/tag/東方風自作曲リンク
http://www.nicovideo.jp/tag/%E9%87%8E%E7%94%9F%E3%81%AEZUN
http://www.nicovideo.jp/search/SD%2090
http://www.nicovideo.jp/search/SD%2080
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Some links to artist mylists and personal comments
Wanwan: http://www.nicovideo.jp/mylist/15159770
Senpi: Has vanished from the internet. Can still find works with tag: http://www.nicovideo.jp/tag/%E6%88%A6%E3%83%94%E3%83%BC
Yosiyosi: http://www.nicovideo.jp/mylist/11691289
Samidare: http://www.nicovideo.jp/mylist/3036030
Kiryuu: http://www.nicovideo.jp/mylist/11729122
Taji: http://www.nicovideo.jp/mylist/6992171
Ryuuou: http://www.nicovideo.jp/mylist/12108752
Wanwan I find isn't all that great. I could go into detail about that but eh. He certainly has quantity, though?
Senpi has this thing where his songs are like "yeah this song is awesome" -> "still good" -> "ok nope awful". Way too much noise in many of his songs that otherwise could be great. He just sort of makes a mess trying to go over the top and I wish he wouldn't.
Yosiyosi I've found is hit-or-miss. He has good songs but I don't ever want to hear Rumble Temple again.
Samidare is Samidare.
Kiryuu is pretty good. He has a nice grasp of each game's individual flavour and how to flesh together nice melodies. His stuff has a lot of character. He doesn't do Touhou-styled works anymore though.
Taji was my favorite for a while. He has an impressive handle on the SD-90; what instruments to use, how and where to use them and combine them.
Ryuuou, I think, is simply the best. I cannot praise him highly enough. Every new composition he comes out with is just fantastic.
ねずみ色の夕立 (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12432768)
海賊の島 ～ Romantic Sea (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm14273373)
【神霊廟風】 東方妖々夢 ～ Ancient Temple (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm14993723)
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Speaking of, have you done anything recently with that SD-20 of yours Drake ?
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You should have been more specific.
Some links to artist mylists and personal comments
Excellent, thanks!
Out of sheer curiosity, are there any Western artists of a similar style? It doesn't have to be strictly SD-90 stuff, if that matters. If not, that's ok.
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I think Youtube and Nicovideo user Princess Sylvysprit does some Touhou-style original music. They're the only one I know of, though.
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There's at least 3 or 4 other guys, but honestly none of them truly stand out... It's like people think tacking the trumpet into every song will turn them into ZUN, and forget there's a lot more to ZUN's music than just trumpets. But hey, you gotta start somewhere right ? I've not checked on them in a while, so they might have improved since then.
If you're still interested, you should be able to find them easily (less than 2 minutes) by just searching on YouTube or Soundcloud.
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- Was it stated somewhere in the PC-98 game that Yuuka was the "Owner" of Mugenken?
If not, why the term owner was put alongside her name in Touhou Wiki?
- Residents (Owner)
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From Touhou Wiki (canon):
- He's stated that the Windows era is canon to Touhou and that the PC-98 isn't, where there's no relations.
Can someone clarify the part in bold cause I still find that part vague. For example, is the Window Yuuka the same Yuuka who was once an occupant of Mugenkan.
Don't mind if their personality or character design change.
- He's also stated that the older characters aren't gone and just don't get to be shown on game-screen.
From the second statement can we safely assume/or at least assume that even if most of the PC-98 shown anymore and irrespectively of whether they will appear of not, they still there for the most parts.
Note: I'm asking if all or almost all of the past touhou characters did even exist and still exist in the actual Touhou universe or are there existence itself was null (for the most part never existed in the first place)!
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stage 5 both scenarios
I'm the master of this mansion, Yuuka.
Nice to meet you. ♥
As for the second question we had a big discussion recently, here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16700.0.html).
He's said before that you can think of PC-98 as though it were a derivative work. A proper answer to your question really depends on why you're asking; if you want an impartial status of canon, you should generally ignore PC-98. But it isn't as though this means you should just ignore them as works entirely, especially if you're creating fanworks that you just want to "get accurately" or something.
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Question about Kasen:
- In the wiki, it's written that Kazen is able to perform the following:
To connect separate spaces: This was shown at the same time as the aforementioned remote control of artificial arms. Upon inserting her artificial arm beneath her apron, a detached artificial arm appeared in a separate place. In this state, upon seizing something and bringing it back, the seized object was also withdrawn together from beneath her apron.
Is it safe to say that Kasen possesses an ability that functions in a similar way as Yukari's gap? :V
Thanks
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Question about Kasen:
- In the wiki, it's written that Kazen is able to perform the following:
Is it safe to say that Kasen possesses an ability that functions in a similar way as Yukari's gap? :V
Thanks
Personally, I never saw it as teleporting, just that she stuck her arm in clothes so it wouldn't look as suspicious when she detached it. I suppose it's not out of the question that she can teleport it though. I don't think that would really be enough to make her meaningfully similar to Yukari.
In general though, most characters have access to generic youkai magic which doesn't get much description or attention. The wiki focuses on a bunch of random things Kasen has done, but the only reason we see these things is because she's the (spoiler alert?) youkai who happens to get the most face time in the comics. I wouldn't read too much into except to say "Kasen can use a variety of youkai magic, as is befitting for a *bleep*". Incidentally, her "power" for the purposes of the character pages seems to be "to guide animals".
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Ridiculous question: is Nazrin a rat or a mouse?
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Ridiculous question: is Nazrin a rat or a mouse?
I'm noticing you ask a lot of questions that can be quickly and easily answered just by going to the wiki first. There's a reason we put that suggestion in the OP.
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I'm noticing you ask a lot of questions that can be quickly and easily answered just by going to the wiki first. There's a reason we put that suggestion in the OP.
The wiki doesn't answer this. Maybe I'm on the wrong wiki.
Well, anyway, "nezumi" translates to both rat and mouse, so technically she can be either. This is really stupid since I ended up answering my own question. :V
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(http://i.imgur.com/oUWjL5U.png)
See the OP for the link to the wiki.
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(http://i.imgur.com/oUWjL5U.png)
See the OP for the link to the wiki.
I am a fool.
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I've read some fanon works where Yukari could spy using her gap ability. Has this been done canonically?
Thanks.
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As far as I can recall the only instance of Yukari explicitly shown to be spying is with her shikigami crows during SSiB/CiLR, and I suppose you might count the zashiki-warashi. But in most cases if Yukari has spied, you wouldn't know about it until it becomes clear that she has spied in some way; the method itself isn't often made obvious. That's just part of Yukari's character.
That being said, the skill card description of Magic Eye "Laplace's Demon" from Hisoutensoku is:
A large number of eyes appear staring at the enemy. Once the eyes see an exploitable weakness, they attack. It seems this is how Yukari knows what's going on in all of Gensokyo at all times.
Of course this isn't exactly proof that this is the method, but it's definitely a ZUN-ism way of half-confirming it, and at the very least it establishes that Yukari keeps watch all over Gensokyo.
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There's another case (http://www.batoto.net/read/_/51360/touhou-sangetsusei-oriental-sacred-place_v2_ch10_by_umad-scans/17) in Oriental Sacred Place chapter 10
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Does only Komeiji Sisters, Orin and Okuu live inside Palace of the Earth Spirits? So far both touhou wikis I found (well, the first 2 ones that I googled) doesn't tell me a lot and I'm kinda curious. about Chireiden itself.
Plus, I'm looking for a Reimu x Cirno english translated doujin. IIRC it ended with Cirno being attacked by Yukari or something like that.
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Along with many other animals. Satori has much more than just Rin and Utsuho.
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Does only Komeiji Sisters, Orin and Okuu live inside Palace of the Earth Spirits? So far both touhou wikis I found (well, the first 2 ones that I googled) doesn't tell me a lot and I'm kinda curious. about Chireiden itself.
You can see in the Chireiden stage (http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/HI25XI2B6ho/maxresdefault.jpg) from Hopeless Masquerade that Satori has tons of pets, including but not limited to a panther, a komodo dragon, and a shoebill.
Plus, I'm looking for a Reimu x Cirno english translated doujin. IIRC it ended with Cirno being attacked by Yukari or something like that.
I assume it's "Cirno and Reimu's 1 2 3"? If that's the case, it's translated on danbooru, give it a search there. It had a few more chapters released after that.
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I assume it's "Cirno and Reimu's 1 2 3"? If that's the case, it's translated on danbooru, give it a search there. It had a few more chapters released after that.
Yes, that's the one! Thanks, now I'm gonna dig up the translated versions and cry again ;)
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So how exactly did the Noukarin thing start? Touhou Wiki's fandom section on Yuuka doesn't seem to offer any insight on this.
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It came from 2ch, but what really made people start drawing fanart was this video
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm3601894
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Some people here should know the music arranger Jun.A, right? Did s/he request that his/her remixes be removed from the internet or what? Many of them have disappeared from YouTube...
Thanks in advance!
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Anyone know what doujinshi this (http://puu.sh/a9Ppb/65d3704839.jpg) is from? (Possible NSFW in top panel) Ahh I would also assume so since the image itself is possible NSFW but is the doujinshi also NSFW? Just really wanna know if it talks about a back story for Parsee.
EDIT: also is there a sound track for Boho Youyoumu at all? I only know of like two songs uploaded to youtube.
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It may be none of my business asking this, but what's the meaning behind the name "Maidens of the Kaleidoscope," and why was it chosen as the name of this forum?
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Anyone? Please?
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Anyone? Please?
Wouldn't it be better to ask the people who've uploaded their music and had it taken down? In any case, if they weren't given permission to upload the music in the first place then you should hardly be surprised that a few were taken down regardless of who requested/reported it.
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What is the significance of the obscenities apparent in IN's translation?
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None, it's liberal translation. It's supposed to be rude, but not to that extent. IN's game translation is filled with not-the-greatest lines and in some cases is misleading from its inaccuracy, one notable example being the Ghost Team ending.
"Bitch get out of the way" is undeniably a more awesome line than the original, that being said.
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Can someone help me find out who's voice is used in this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8FXQP2aeLg) when Komachi is shown? I want to find ripped off voice clips so I can try to copy that echo-reverbish effect.
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misleading from its inaccuracy, one notable example being the Ghost Team ending.
(http://i.imgur.com/HtEPahq.png)
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(http://i.imgur.com/HtEPahq.png)
IIRC, the ghost team's ending's translation implied that Eirin didn't drink the elixir but was just using it to threaten Yuyuko. The actual accurate translation revealed that she did indeed drink the hourai elixir and was taunting Yuyuko that there was nothing she could do to her.
.......I think. It's been a while.
The wiki has the correct info now. A funny story, that. The original person who brought it up wasn't very... diplomatic about it so his edit got reversed. Eventually I brought it up more politely with a request to anyone who could read Japanese to confirm and several people did so the wiki was finally corrected after leading many people to believe Eirin didn't drink the elixir, for years.
.......................I think. It's been a while.
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Wow, that's a huge inaccuracy alright.
Still, I like the Imperishable Night English Patch, with it's weird and hilarious dialogue that (I thought) more or less reflected the actual translation, with some creative liberties taken. Whether or not Eirin drank the Hourai Elixir, though, yeah. That would be more than a creative liberty.
"Let's get this youkai party started!"
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I've been trying to translate the names of the songs used in Youkai Kori Kassen (most of which are Wanwan songs), and while I was able to translate most of them via ATLAS (because I didn't get gibberish with mostly everything), the title フォグレシアス迷夢賢者 is the only one that has stumped me. The kanji part means something like "delusional sage," but the katakana part confuses me. I think it's "fog" something, but I'm not sure what. Does anyone have a clue?
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(http://i.imgur.com/HtEPahq.png)
Well, if you read it, it's already pretty nonsensical.
http://pastebin.com/eBmqmgVJ
"You may say that, but your maid is listening to you. You sure talk a lot for someone who just sits around and is cared for. "
The line is 「で、その小間使いの目の状態はどうなの？ただで直してあげるから貴方は余り喋らない。」
And should be "So, how is the condition of your servant's eyes? I'll treat them for free so let's cut the chatter". How.
Or,
Eirin "I still don't want to die. Besides, I will be preparing the medicine with the Princess's power. It's a shame, but I can't leave it to the Netherworld's hands."
Like, what does this even mean when read as-is?
Really this is 「まだ、死にたくは無いわ。それに私は、姫の能力で作られた薬を服用している。残念だけど、冥界のお世話にはなれないのよ」
Which should be "I still don't want to die. Besides, I'm taking the medicine made from the Princess' power. Sorry, but I really can't become the Netherworld's caretaker."
This is the line that first establishes that Eirin is immortal, but it's so butchered that it loses all its meaning.
Plus we get the "humans can't get there without dying" line, which is terrible in its own right because it spawned the whole "Mokou couldn't be physically present in the Netherworld" thing, but it isn't even the point of the phrase to begin with. 「人間は死ななければならない。」 means "humans must be able to die (lit. 'it shouldn't be that humans can't die')", which is referring to the previous paragraph saying that if humans stopped dying, the Netherworld would never get any new spirits.
like ugggghhhh
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So it seems this patch has caused a deluge of huge misunderstandings about canon that could have been avoided with adequate translations.
Not that adequate translations stop anyone from stuff far worse than "Mokou can't go to the Netherworld".
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Yeah. I think the endings have been especially bad since the fans don't make the ending dialogue public because "pls no spoil endings -ZUN", so the only records of ending dialogue are the ones you get in-game... which happen to be inaccurate. That touhouendings wiki survived for a while and the ending translations were eventually fixed there, but the site's since gone offline and internet archivers just have the first translation. Touhouwiki now has summaries of the proper endings, but no actual dialogue.
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So would you say it's safe to start showing information, in says fan games or literature, that Eirin is immortal? Or do you think there might be too much backlash from the uninformed groups?
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Endings have been cited as in "Well, in the ending for Marisa B's scenario in UFO, it says [paraphrasing]" since forever, so I think doing the same for IN would be fine. That and IN is ten years old.
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So would you say it's safe to start showing information, in says fan games or literature, that Eirin is immortal? Or do you think there might be too much backlash from the uninformed groups?
The wiki's had the correct synopsis (that Eirin is immortal) for at least several years now (exactly how many, I dunno. ...gosh, I'm old now :|). I'd like to think most groups would have gotten the memo by now, but I guess you never know. ....not that it really should matter anyways, I'd think.
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Which wiki would you be talking about? EN.wiki, touhouwiki, or touhou.wika
I just read Eirins profile on the EN. wiki but no mention of her being immortal.
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Wait, what?
*looks at Eirin's article at en.touhouwiki*
Who... the hell.. butchered this...
*rummages through all the history*
.........Oh.
................................sigh, I guess the wiki still has yet to fully recover from THAT guy. Figures. To this day poor Tony's still trying to recover what THAT GUY took away. Guess I'd better fix this one.
EDIT: Aw crud. Now I can't even remember where I got what info or what was legitimate and what wasn't after his "additions" were mixed in. And I don't really have the time that I used to. Mweh, maybe later. I'll add back the Hourai Elixir thingy for now at least.
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Ehh... I thought the Wiki's had figured out how to avoid problems like that... but shows what I know lol. Would you say the En. touhouwiki is the better to use?
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I can't really vouch for the wikia one. I'm under the impression from what little I've seen of it that it hasn't been updating as much in regards to verifying the old data before the split, but maybe something changed since I looked at it years ago. *shrug*
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Ehh... I thought the Wiki's had figured out how to avoid problems like that... but shows what I know lol. Would you say the En. touhouwiki is the better to use?
This was one guy that wanted things to be as accurate as possible in the way that he thought it should be. He had many good points and many bad points and he wasn't just some guy trying to spam up the place or anything; quite the opposite. He was quick, would edit everything he could and wouldn't back down, but he wasn't strictly bad and could make fairly good arguments so it was really difficult to say whether or not he should be made to stop. He lives in his own world, doesn't get along with others, is stubborn, and had obsessive tendencies. He also didn't have a firm grasp on english linguistics or consider how an article would read to a visitor. Finally, if there were no objections to a change that he found were sufficient within some often random period of time then he would implement them. Everywhere. He would literally edit through the whole wiki.
He often would create massive double standard arguments to support his ideas and reject others, which would be easily shown by him editing things really quickly and then causing a ruckus when people have arguments finding out about it later. All these things caused people to reasonably be very upset with him, and he didn't understand this. People got to the point where they would start throwing insults, and he would promptly shut down and ignore them completely even if they might have otherwise valid points. It created this violent self-perpetuating cycle of things going nowhere and getting frustrated while sudden, impactful changes were being made all over the wiki.
Eventually that and various other issues got to a boiling point, and after internal discussions he was locked out of editing and many of his various edits were thrown out.
To answer your question, touhou.wikia is pretty crap. Usually when we say "the wiki" we mean touhouwiki.net because that's where the active editors are.
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Oh I didn't know at first but the en. Is just the language for the site I used, thought there was three different ones.
All of that doesn't sound fun... But thank you for explaining it.
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Who is this? Tosiaki?
I've been busy myself, but I can see what can be done about his edits.
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Yeah, but I was just explaining some of the shenanigans from back then because it wasn't like he was spamming or deliberately being a shit-stirrer to warrant immediately banning him. Tiamat just realized that there are still some sporadic edits (or removals of edits) that nobody's really noticed/found yet but should be fixed, that's all. Not sure anyone can do much about that.
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This may be weird to ask, considering it's about Len'en, but where is Mugenri said to be located?
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Yea, the thing that made Tosiaki so... difficult was that he wasn't 100% off-course. Which is why he was able to make edits and why people weren't just throwing it out for so long. But there was a lot that was unacceptable, and it got mixed in with what was acceptable. The end result is something that's VERY hard to fix because you have to sift through what's confirmed, valid, or salvageable and what isn't, and they're often intermixed within the same paragraph on the article. Three years later and I still see edits to the wiki of people trying to put things back together but it takes a lot of time and effort to figure out what should stay and what should go (which is why I haven't done it myself. I just don't have the time I used to)
Most of it should be back up to speed by now though, I think. Eirin's article being an exception. Looks like Camilo fixed that, though.
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This may be weird to ask, considering it's about Len'en, but where is Mugenri said to be located?
To quote the translation of Evanescent Existence's prologue:
"This is a place born on the other side of people's memories, now a forgotten frontier.
The form released beside the flow of time,
was deeply missed somewhere and a novelty in addition.
This is a story of a world that doesn't exist."
Given Mugenri itself means "non-existent village," I'd assume it's like Gensokyo, but instead of being connected to another world, it's a completely seperate dimension the main characters just got pulled into by Tsurubami.
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I don't know if this has been answered, but I'm asking anyways...
Is Yuuka's Sunflower Field in Mugenkan?
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No, it's freely accessible somewhere in central Gensokyo.
It's somewhat far from the Human Village and apparently hidden by the Youkai Mountain. (Look at Perfect Memento for that one)
And I don't think this has been asked.
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Well, to begin with Mugenkan isn't even referred to anymore, so it would normally be impossible to tell even assuming it existed in Gensokyo. There's really no reason to think it is besides Yuuka apparently residing in both places.
However, this is actually answerable by sheer coincidence because we have small details about both of their locations. In LLS you get to Mugenkan through the Lake of Blood (and the Dream World), which for whatever reason is over the mountains behind the Hakurei Shrine. Meanwhile, the Garden of the Sun is closer to the center of Gensokyo, a bit away from Youkai Mountain and quite some distance away from the Human Village. These areas don't intersect, so they're not in the same place even if we assume Mugenkan (and the Lake of Blood etc) actually exists.
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Not fully certain if this is the sort of question we're permitted to ask in this thread, but is Kantai Collection predominantly illustrated by Touhou fans? I've heard this rumor going around for quite some time already.
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http://kancolle.wikia.com/wiki/Glossary#List_of_vessels_by_artist
Not really. Some of the official artists draw Touhou stuff, some more than others, but it certainly isn't "predominantly illustrated by Touhou fans", especially if the implication is that these artists usually draw mostly Touhou stuff.
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Can I request doujin album tracklist translations in TARC? For example, I want a translation of this. (http://vgmdb.net/album/16807) Most of the tracks in that album have their names taken straight from the originals, but there are some tracks that have names that deviate slightly from the originals' names, and unfortunately that's where my very limited understanding ends.
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There used to be a translation requests thread but Sabino doesn't come to this site anymore and N-Forza is probably too busy these days to do random translations. I guess you could just post such requests in this thread for as long as they're Touhou related.
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I see. Do we have any other translators that are still active here?
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Is there an English dub for those "Memories of Phantasm" videos? One of my friends was looking for one and the only ones I could find were TF2dubs (not a bad thing!) or in other languages entirely.
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Is there an English dub for those "Memories of Phantasm" videos? One of my friends was looking for one and the only ones I could find were TF2dubs (not a bad thing!) or in other languages entirely.
This dub of the first vid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktj-t5uNcEc) was made by someone unfamiliar with Touhou so she misinterprets some characters' personalities, but the actual acting is pretty impressive.
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Is there a twitter account or some other site that translates ZUN's tweets? I follow him for Touhou news because links are easy enough to decipher, but he seems like a pretty interesting guy aside from that and machine translation doesn't do the job:
"What it does not say, but (picture of where you are rather?) I wonder if there is permission for Taito"
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His more noticeable tweets are sometimes covered in this thread, and translated by cuc and sometimes me.
https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14315.0.html
何とは言わないが、タイトーの許可はあるのだろうか（むしろ要るのか？）
"I won't say what for, but I wonder if they have Taito's permission? (if it's even needed?)"
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If Seija behave in the opposite way of the person she is speaking to, when she is alone does she behave like a "normal" person would?
Related to the above: for Seija, an Amanojaku, is practically impossible to keep friendships and the likes.... but when she is alone does she feel loneliness/remors/guilt or other similar emotions? Or her nature is still predominant so she is actually HAPPY because "everyone hate me" in her perception become "everyone love me"?
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If Seija behave in the opposite way of the person she is speaking to, when she is alone does she behave like a "normal" person would?
So far as that when alone, she would act however she wanted to, yes. She would act like her normal Seija, that is, not a "normal" person.
Related to the above: for Seija, an Amanojaku, is practically impossible to keep friendships and the likes.... but when she is alone does she feel loneliness/remors/guilt or other similar emotions? Or her nature is still predominant so she is actually HAPPY because "everyone hate me" in her perception become "everyone love me"?
The second one, more or less - she enjoys being hated, and hates being liked* (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Seija_Kijin#Official_Profiles).
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It may be none of my business asking this, but what's the meaning behind the name "Maidens of the Kaleidoscope," and why was it chosen as the name of this forum?
Late reply, but I've always been under the impression that the name was inspired by this old banner by ZUN
(http://i.imgur.com/zc7EGd3.jpg)
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I see, thanks for the answer.
By the way, remind me something: is Yorihime limited to invoking one god at a time or can she invoke multiple gods at any given time?
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That much isn't known, as far as I'm aware. There isn't really anything to support or reject either way.
Well, at best you could say that Reimu summoned three gods, being the Sumiyoshi gods, but that wasn't all really at the same time either, considering each god was called for each section of the rocket and they changed as the rocket sections detached.
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By the way, remind me something: is Yorihime limited to invoking one god at a time or can she invoke multiple gods at any given time?
She used two gods at once while fighting Sakuya. Possibly three, depending on how you interpret her sword.
Well, at best you could say that Reimu summoned three gods, being the Sumiyoshi gods, but that wasn't all really at the same time either, considering each god was called for each section of the rocket and they changed as the rocket sections detached.
Pretty sure she was channeling all three at the same time, but required enormous focus to do it.
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She used two gods at once while fighting Sakuya. Possibly three, depending on how you interpret her sword.
I didn't take Honoikazuchi and Kanayamahiko to be summoned at the same time. Any reason for this?
And yeah the sword of Gion ehhhh perhaps you could count that as well.
Pretty sure she was channeling all three at the same time, but required enormous focus to do it.
I had to read the relevant chapters again for the last post and from Patchouli saying "you'll have to go up to the second tier and switch over to Nakatsutsu no O no Mikoto right away" and Uwatsutsu getting bored and telling them to switch to the top already, and just the theme of using the Sumiyoshi gods for a three-tier rocket, the other two don't do anything while it isn't their turn.
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Suppose that she indeed can invoke multiple gods at any given time, is it possible to say that ZUN simply forgot to limit her powers in spell card duels like he did to others? I mean, even Reimu's ability to float away from reality was limited in her spell cards. I think one can simply limit Yorihime to invoking only one god for each spell card and tying said god to said spell card so she can't switch gods willy-nilly to balance her out. After thinking about it, her "ZOMG GOD HAX" may have been somewhat overblown.
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I personally think that the only "limits" by the spell card rules are to make those abilities translates into danmaku play and the absolute rule of nonlethal-ness. Another factor is the characters' "willingness" to use their powers.
For Reimu, she's still intangible during Fantasy Heaven, which is what it's supposed to do and the only limits are the time limit, which applies to all cards. Not necessarily unique to that card. So you can't hardly say that the rule will nerf any particular ability, no matter how OP you think it is, because it simply was never the case.
So Yorihime can summon one or as many gods as she wants. Nothing prevents her to do so as long as it follows the rule of non-lethal attacks and the usual time limit, and seriously, why should it need to? If you say that the spell card will be impossible with multiple gods, well, why would it? We're already shown in ISC that impossible spell cards still counts into danmaku play(and still doable). So if there's any limit to the use of their powers in duels, it's the users' willingness themselves.
I don't really understand the fuss over Yorihime's ability when Byakuren can do the same with Buddhist & Hindu deities in HM and ISC, Kanako and Suwako are full-blown gods, and other characters with more powerful abilities compared to most gods never had to be treated specially in duels.
On Yorihime, though I'd like to think that she can summon multiple gods, it's never shown clearly so there're some doubts.
For the Sword of Gion, I think it's more like a god-infused artifact, so she doesn't need to maintain it like she have to in other summons. Which means it doesn't interfere with her invoking other gods.
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I'm simply thinking with the story-wise purpose of the Spell Card Rule, which is to enable a fair fight in which elegance is everything. In this case, to overpower your opponent through sheer power of ability alone would be brutish and inelegant now, would it? And considering the danmaku in ISC is doable even without items, unreasonably hard as it is, then by definition it isn't impossible. Plus, those were explicitly stated to ignore the rules anyway.
...Yeah, I might be falling back to "the battle didn't count" statements here, but what does count given the purpose of the Spell Card Rule?
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...Yeah, I might be falling back to "the battle didn't count" statements here, but what does count given the purpose of the Spell Card Rule?
Whether one of the participants manages to "defeat" the opponent with spell cards. Judging from the games, the battle concludes when either one party runs out of "lives".
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I was asking in regards to the spirit of the purpose of the Spell Card Rule. As in, what does "count" as a fair, meaningful fight where everything is settled with elegance?
I know I may sound like I'm riding on a moral high horse here. Sometimes I tend to do that without realizing it and I end up needing help to get off it because I can't solve the dilemma on my own.
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I was asking in regards to the spirit of the purpose of the Spell Card Rule. As in, what does "count" as a fair, meaningful fight where everything is settled with elegance?
Running my mind through ZUN's descriptions for Danmaku (specifically referencing the promotion copy from Playism's Kishinjou release, it is fresh in my memory), a 'fair' Danmaku fight is one which, no matter the power or amount of shots involved, always leaves some room, no matter how small, for the dodging opponent to evade it entirely.
Though, considering what happened in the course of Danmaku Amanojaku, or looking at how Yorihime used an unavoidable spell card against Sakuya in SSiB, one may question the legitimacy of this inference.
In Yorihime's case though, one may reason that she was new to Danmaku, and the 'invasion party' did not explicitly tell her that she was expected to leave gaps in her patterns.
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Though, considering what happened in the course of Danmaku Amanojaku, or looking at how Yorihime used an unavoidable spell card against Sakuya in SSiB, one may question the legitimacy of this inference.
Well, some exceptions are bound to happen. Doesn't mean the general rules of "fairness" and even a razor-thin chance to dodge don't apply.
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Every card in Impossible Spellcard is dodgeable without tools, so those aren't an exception. Yorihime didn't know how to play, and you can't blame her since Marisa's explanation was woefully inadequate.
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The "exception" here being related to the narrative of ISC; not the gameplay. The spellcards are not of course literally impossible.
But yeah, the Moon Sisters by themselves are one big anomaly in a lot of ways. There's a reason people have been critical of them, as characters.
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What I'm looking for here is, can that anomaly be resolved in some way?
Oh, and thanks for pulling my mind back to what I was looking for in the first place, by the way.
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I always interpreted the spellcard rules as being "baked into" the Hakurei Barrier- that it's not really something you opt into, just any high-level danmaku automatically gets pushed into spellcard format. This at least would explain why someone like Kanako, whose motivation is conquest, would play fair when she otherwise wouldn't be disposed to do so- she didn't have a choice.
The spells in Impossible Spellcard then are still technically possible because they can't not be- but they're the absolute limit of how dangerous spells CAN be, similar to Last Words which are presented as the theoretical "ultimate attack" each character has. (Ref: Fantasy Heaven, which is explicitly stated unbeatable and impossible to counter without the spellcard timer). The lifting of the rules is more a case of Reimu would usually intervene if any youkai tried to use a spell like that in day-to-day life, but for the purpose of catching Seija she's willing to overlook such excessive use of force.
I haven't read the manga in question so please take this explanation with that in mind: I guess if they were fighting on the moon then that doesn't really count as part of Gensokyo any more, so presenting danmaku as spellcards is more of an aesthetic thing- they're no longer restricted by the rules, so the danmaku of pre-Barrier times is possible. (Makai and The Netherworld are arguably not part of Gensokyo either, but the entrances to them are entirely contained within the Barrier so the rule affects them anyway.)
Please note most of this is conjecture, but hopefully it still makes sense :V Unless the fight in question wasn't on the moon, in which case :ohdear:
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I've still not read SSiB so i don't know exactly how much "unavoidable" Yorihime's attack was but a possible solution to the problem is if it was like Flandre's "Leavatein" Spellcard: if you don't know BEFOREHAND where to move it's practically impossible to avoid.
Ref: Fantasy Heaven, which is explicitly stated unbeatable and impossible to counter without the spellcard timer.
Someday..... someday i'll finish this thrice-damned fanfic and show everyone that Fantasy Heaven CAN BE CANONICALLY BEATEN by at least one character.... :matsuriscowl:
I've a few questions related to some of the girl's powers:
1) Does Seija's power affect only things that can be literally "turned upside-down" or is more of a "turn anything into its opposite"?
Reading the touhouwiki article it seems is the latter.... and if it's so, i think many don't understand just how horrifically powerful that ability truly is....
2) Does Minoriko's power allow her to grow plants/vegetable/etc that istantly sprout fruits (like Yuuka does with flowers) or simply make sure that already growing plants will give a good harvest?
3) What the heck does Yuugi's power do? Even just in broad meaning or lousy examples!
Up until now i believed that she was capable, either willingly or unconsciously, of causing "unexplainable phenomenas" (and i clearly remember someone in this very forum saying something like "stopping a typhoon by screaming at it") but reading an old post of the cowriter of the touhouwiki page about her it appears i'm wrong.
4) Is Kogasa's power the same as Chen's? What does it imply?
Touhouwiki is a bit vague on this. Does they have an actual ability or is merely how they behave? Chen's seems to be simply "when she is a normal bakaneko (aka she is too far from Ran for her shikigami powers) she might attack humans near her like a cat would", hence a mere quirk of her nature.
But Kogasa is explicity stated to have it as her only ability (even if she is bad at it). And then there is the fact that she show up as UFO Extra Stage's Mid-boss with even a "surprise" sound.....
This last part kind of bug me: does it means that (if she become very skilled in it) she could possibly do ANYTHING as long as it is "surprising"? Seems a stretch, but it would be another overlooked but terribly powerful ability....
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The best way I can describe Yorihime's attacks is that imagine if you were given infinite bombs. Yorihime hardly ever attacked straight out. She just counterattacked everything. The only time where she really did a direct attack was by summoning Amaterasu to attack Remilia. Of course, this opens up the can of was Yorihime even technically using spellcards in spellcard duel, but that would open a can of all new mess.
@Chen's and Kogasa's "powers": Keep in mind that some of the powers are more or less stated (like Yuugi would mind as well stated her powers being that to make her look impressive even though even she has no idea what she is talking about). Kogasa doesn't really have an actual power to surprise people. That simply is her job. Same thing with Chen. Her power being that would be that the only way Chen can really attack as bakaneko is to scare her opponent.
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This at least would explain why someone like Kanako, whose motivation is conquest, would play fair when she otherwise wouldn't be disposed to do so- she didn't have a choice.
Why does everyone seem to jump to the assumption that just because someone has a goal, they instantly become totally unreasonable and even when explained how disputes are settled, they would ignore this because of their goal. This is literally the purpose of the spell card rules in the first place.
I've a few questions related to some of the girl's powers:
1) It's rather ambiguous. But even if it was just "flip anything", a character's stated abilities don't mean they just get to manipulate everything in the universe. You don't get to assume that just because the character proclaims they can do something, they can do it to the highest degree imaginable. It's like "Cirno is capable of manipulating the cold" -> "Cirno can cause the heat death of the universe" oh boy! The only thing that tends towards these sorts of conclusions is rampant abusive interpretation of short lines of text.
2) I would say it's likely that she mostly blesses/curses the harvest since this is what she's said to do, but I don't doubt she would be able to spontaneously grow food.
3) Really, her ability and much of her other details is mostly a Confucius reference. It doesn't have any significance on its own. All it can describe is that she has ~mysterious oni powers~ which have already been established from GoM and DS.
4) It's how they behave. And again, the stated abilities they have is just a top-level description and doesn't necessarily mean much of anything. See #1.
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Also, you should totally read SSiB. Even the bad parts are good, and you can finish it in an afternoon.
Afterwards, if you haven't already seen them, a few videos by kamS re-enact events from SSiB, in his own twisted way.
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Also, you should totally read SSiB. Even the bad parts are good, and you can finish it in an afternoon.
And then read Cage in Lunatic Runagate, because SSiB on its own doesn't cover the full story.
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1) It's rather ambiguous. But even if it was just "flip anything", a character's stated abilities don't mean they just get to manipulate everything in the universe. You don't get to assume that just because the character proclaims they can do something, they can do it to the highest degree imaginable. It's like "Cirno is capable of manipulating the cold" -> "Cirno can cause the heat death of the universe" oh boy! The only thing that tends towards these sorts of conclusions is rampant abusive interpretation of short lines of text.
Lol i have already seen that Cirno example :D It is technically possible for her, but for being plausible..... yeaaah, make her overpowered, over a millennia old, really smart and THEN i might believe it :V
Although Seija's power doesn't require that level of mastery to be really nasty.... i'll make a normal example, a "Cirno destroy the universe" example, and a for the lulz example:
1) Normal application: she flips PERCEPTION/SENSES at the last second (and this is what she actually DOES in her fight)
Hello Hirako Shinji! Got tired of Ichigo and the others? In danmaku fights she would be practically unbeatable since even a normal attack would connect (you are about to dodge to the left, wooops switched your perception, you moved to the right and got hit). And it would be totally legit, since the attack per-se isn't unavoidable (just like Sakuya stopping time). In an "real" fight, your only hope is to have a power that works "remotely" like Flandre's, because any kind of ranged or melee attack would still be affected by your perception.....
2) Extreme application: she flips YOUR ENTIRE BEING
What is the most basic and defining trait all living beings have in common? Being ALIVE..... what is the opposite of alive? Congrats Seija, you just gained an overpowered version of Yuyuko's power, capable of OHKO anyone not named Kaguya or Mokou
3) Funny application: she flips your ABILITY/PERSONAL TRAITS
Eirin is an hax-level genius ---> Intelligent/Stupid ---> she becomes a moron worse that Cirno XD
Oni have mountain-destroying strenght ---> Strong/Weak ---> Suika and Yuugi can't hurt a kitten :P
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It's not a matter of mastery. The description doesn't determine how their powers work, it's just what they call their favorite/signature use of them.
It's like, if everyone in Gensokyo had one eye, you could go there and say you have the power to tell how far away things are. That doesn't mean you can "master" your power in order to see into the future, or judge peoples' relationships. It just means you have two eyes.
If Seija can flip physical objects then it's probably from general telekinesis that she chooses to use in only one way (because youkai are like that), and gaining increased mastery would just let her affect larger/heavier things.
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I'd say Seija's power is more on skill than raw power.
She needs to be smart enough to exploit it creatively, like say flipping the direction of your air intake, digestion or bloodflow. It won't require massive effort, but it's still dangerous enough to be labelled as harmful.
Flipping the universe, orientation of the earth, direction of the sunrise, etc would be total bullcrap of course.
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A few odd questions I've been building up since I was last here.
Since the game all have different difficulties and some spell cards are different for each one are there different levels to each card? Ahh well I guess a better example would be like Fantasy Seal to Fantasy Orb. Are they technically the same spell card but different levels of power or what? Also what would be considered each characters ultimate spell card? The last words for some and the last Lunatic Spell Card used by others?
Is there anything in the books that talk about how one would learn danmaku or create spell cards to protect themselves in Gensokyo?
How does ZUN or other Circles feel about the use of their music in non profit projects? Like say in a video or in a free game?
How popular is Touhou in Japan? Compared to other games that is? I bring this up because there is a channel on youtube I watch for Japanese culture in games (some might know who I'm talking about) but never once is Touhou mentioned. And another recent video about Japanese Shmups had no mention to the series despite some music used, the creator even mentioned about never hearing about the series. Is touhou really that much of a niche series?
EDIT: Sorry for adding this in later but what was the deal with Ten Desires? I remember when DDC came out people were talking about how they forgive ZUN for TD.
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How popular is Touhou in Japan? Compared to other games that is? I bring this up because there is a channel on youtube I watch for Japanese culture in games (some might know who I'm talking about) but never once is Touhou mentioned. And another recent video about Japanese Shmups had no mention to the series despite some music used, the creator even mentioned about never hearing about the series. Is touhou really that much of a niche series?
Quoting a past quote from a thread i read back when i was a stalker of the maidens here....
Guess which is more famous in Japan at this moment, a geeky fandom where the fans build everything they enjoy themselves, or a chart-topping Korean boyband?
Is there anything in the books that talk about how one would learn danmaku or create spell cards to protect themselves in Gensokyo?
The Grimoire of Marisa is the go-to book for anything that Touhou canon has to offer about the spell card mechanism, its text and translation is available on the Touhouwiki. Of particular interest is the entry about Reimu's Musou Tensei (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/The_Grimoire_of_Marisa/Reimu_Hakurei%27s_Spell_Cards)
Well that and the Spell Card description in PMiSS. (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Draft_of_Spell_Card_Rules)
How does ZUN or other Circles feel about the use of their music in non profit projects? Like say in a video or in a free game?
This topic (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,6593.0.html) contains ZUN's latest statement in this regard.
I hope that my tone in the posts i've made on this thread don't make me sound like a stuck-up snob or something of that sort... (;<.<)
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Since the game all have different difficulties and some spell cards are different for each one are there different levels to each card? Ahh well I guess a better example would be like Fantasy Seal to Fantasy Orb. Are they technically the same spell card but different levels of power or what? Also what would be considered each characters ultimate spell card? The last words for some and the last Lunatic Spell Card used by others?
You could say they're different spell cards -- at least when the names differ between them. I would say there isn't any difference between Nazrin Pendulum and Nazrin Pendulum (Easy and Normal), but there is a difference between Nazrin Pendulum, HS Nazrin Pendulum and Pendulum Guard. As for the second, I don't think "ultimate spell card" is really a thing. It doesn't make much sense to label one spell card as like their "best" card or anything like that. Perhaps their "favorite", "identifying", or "characteristic" spell card? But not "ultimate".
Is there anything in the books that talk about how one would learn danmaku or create spell cards to protect themselves in Gensokyo?
To add to what was said, refer to SSiB where the lunar rabbit guard figure out how to fire danmaku near-instantly. Also an important thing to mention from GoM is that pretty much anything can be used as danmaku.
How popular is Touhou in Japan? Compared to other games that is? I bring this up because there is a channel on youtube I watch for Japanese culture in games (some might know who I'm talking about) but never once is Touhou mentioned. And another recent video about Japanese Shmups had no mention to the series despite some music used, the creator even mentioned about never hearing about the series. Is touhou really that much of a niche series?
It isn't as much Touhou specifically as it is doujin culture altogether. You can be pretty certain that anyone interested in doujin culture will at least know what Touhou is, but in general Japan is just as clueless about it as anywhere else. It is a bit surprising that somebody into STGs wouldn't know what it is though, since STGs, arcade culture and doujin culture go fairly hand-in-hand.
EDIT: Oh you mean JonTron. I thought you meant somebody actually interested in STGs. That isn't surprising at all then; he's probably missed tons of other gems.
Sorry for adding this in later but what was the deal with Ten Desires? I remember when DDC came out people were talking about how they forgive ZUN for TD.
At least in the west, many people found it not to their fancy for varying reasons. Disliking the trance system, being too easy, and other parts of gameplay, disliking the musical direction, disliking the characters, etc. You shouldn't take comments like this too seriously, though.
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About The Most First Touhou M-1 Grand Prix. Is the translation of judge decisions available anywhere? Or at least (no, better if) transcription of it?
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Is ZUN left-handed?
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His left hand is his beer hand. He does everything else with his right hand, but this clearly means he is indeed left-handed!
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I don't read Japanese, so help me out here: did this (http://fanblogs.jp/kininaru_blog/archive/2668/0) just come out on August 12?
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I don't read Japanese, so help me out here: did this (http://fanblogs.jp/kininaru_blog/archive/2668/0) just come out on August 12?
No, they only announced it and you can start ordering them from Amiami or Yahoo Shopping. They also made one for Youmu and Eirin.
The Kasen (http://www.amiami.jp/top/detail/detail?gcode=FIGURE-007452&page=top) figure will be sold on October, Youmu (http://www.amiami.jp/top/detail/detail?gcode=FIGURE-007453) will be on November. Dates unknown.
Eirin hasn't been revealed yet, but you can see the design in Touhou Memory's blog (http://blog.livedoor.jp/tohomemory/archives/36261729.html).
I can't find the source, but I believe there will be one for Yukari as well, based on that picture.
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Can ZUN enter the Guinness World Records?
I did a quick search in the official site and i didn't find a world record for "Most remixed composer ever".....
I mean, in the net there is a file containing over 3000 more-or-less famous remixes (not ALL of them and the latest games aren't included) and it's freaking 1.2 TERABYTES!
I find it very hard to believe that there is a composer whose musics have been remixed more.....
The only problem i can see is quantify the number of remixes (i think it would be almost impossible....)
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Touhou Project is already in Guinness, as the most prolific fan-made shooter series. It isn't on the site anymore, though.
ZUN's twitter profile is even a product of this, as they referred to him as "an enigmatic developer known only as ZUN".
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This is something that has been on my mind for a couple of days. Let's just say that somebody wanted to try to go to Gensokyo by landing an aircraft there. Would that be possible? Is it stated how high the Hakurei barrier is? Would commercial aircraft overflying the region where Gensokyo is be affected as well?
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This is something that has been on my mind for a couple of days. Let's just say that somebody wanted to try to go to Gensokyo by landing an aircraft there. Would that be possible? Is it stated how high the Hakurei barrier is? Would commercial aircraft overflying the region where Gensokyo is be affected as well?
The Hakurei Barrier is apparently not a physical barrier which may be crossed merely by travelling. It is a barrier of 'uncommon sense' (where was this stated again?), and therefore, someone that exists on one side is pretty much sent to oblivion on the other side.
If someone wishes to go the Gensokyo from the outside, they would need to become forgotten on the opposite side. As such, even if Gensokyo were to occupy a certain region of the world, there would simultaneously be cities and people occupying the corresponding area in the outside world, but the two would not normally interact because of the non-physical nature of the barrier.
For example, in Cage in Lunatic Runagate, it is stated that the 'Youkai Mountain' in Gensokyo preserves the original appearance of Mt. Yatsugatake before it was flattened by the patron goddess of Mt. Fuji in jealousy. This means that the mountain not only exists, but also looks different inside and outside the barrier.
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Where would one find sound Fx from touhou games?
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Where would one find sound Fx from touhou games?
Drake ripped them from every Windows game up to DDC's trial. A few people ripped DDC full and Seija's player sprite. It's on the last page.
Find them here. (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,197.0.html)
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Got a wiki related question, regarding updates and protocol. I noticed here (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Running_in_Linux_and_Mac_OS_X#Touhou_Games_in_the_Wine_AppDB_.28appdb.winehq.org.29) that DDC and ISC are coded red, in accordance with this bug (https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33761). However, testing very old advice upthread regarding a dll fix I could confirm it a second time. Individually, the games are rated Silver (http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=15180) and Gold (https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=16141) respectively.
What sort of protocol does the wiki have for new accounts and edits? Or is this rather something that's pointed out for review?
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For a while they disabled new account creation on the basis of getting a bunch of spam accounts or something, and at that time you'd have to contact someone on #touhouwiki on irc.esper.net to get an account. But they don't have that notice anymore and I seem to be able to create an account, so you can just try and make one.
Edits have no real review process. You just make them. If there are significant changes to be made I personally tend to make a post on the article's talk page first, but people don't really get notified of this stuff so communication between editors about a subject on the wiki itself can get difficult. In this case you could go right ahead though.
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Hi there! I apologize in advance if this is on the wrong sub-forum, but I'm fairly new here and unfamiliar with Touhou in general.
Now, let me just get to the point here: I'm looking for a specific fan-made song, but for the life of me I cannot find it.
To give a bit of backstory, in 2008 I was introduced to Touhou by a friend. I played some of the games and was shown many fan-created works, like games and animations. It was all very fun. Above all, though, I loved the music. It's really great stuff! I liked it to the point where I went and download a ~30 GB torrent just full of fan songs and added it to my music library. While listening one day, I found a particular song that I really loved. It was this great, upbeat electronic song that I can only describe as "crazy." In fact, that's how I referred to it whenever I talked to someone about it. "Crazy Touhou Song."
Unfortunately, my hard drive at the time became corrupted and I lost everything. The torrent, the song, all of my high school work, done. After that, I never got the torrent back, and I never heard that song again. To this day, I can still remember the first 30 seconds or so perfectly, and can recite it in my head without fail. I've searched YouTube at various points throughout the years, but I've never even come close to finding it. Nothing sounds even remotely like it, and I'm not sure if it was a remix or an original piece. I'm relatively sure the title was Japanese, otherwise I think I would've had a title written down somewhere.
So, this is why I come to you today. I've spent six years intermittently looking for this song, and although I could do just download the fan music torrent again, I was shocked to find it ranges from 250 GB to 1.2 TB! My internet connection is fairly shoddy, so even the smaller one would take me days on end to download, and even then I would need to search tirelessly through the thousands of tracks to try and find the one song I loved back in the day. I'm hoping, even praying, that someone here will know what it's called or where I can find it. And if it is a remix, just tell me what the original song is will probably be enough for me to find it. I'm just looking for any lead I can get at this point.
Here's a soundcloud link (https://soundcloud.com/alexstrazsa/touhousong) where I've replicated parts of the song that I remember. The first part is definitely the first few seconds, whereas the second part (separated by some silence) is later into the song. It was a very fast paced, upbeat song with heavy drums some mixed vocals. Not lyrics, but just words cut up to make a sort of sound. I'm not quite sure how else to describe it. I wish I could provide more, but my memory of the song has worn over the years and this is all I really remember.
If the hyperlink didn't work: https://soundcloud.com/alexstrazsa/touhousong
Thank you for any and all help finding this mystery tune.
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The Hakurei Barrier is apparently not a physical barrier which may be crossed merely by travelling. It is a barrier of 'uncommon sense' (where was this stated again?), and therefore, someone that exists on one side is pretty much sent to oblivion on the other side.
If someone wishes to go the Gensokyo from the outside, they would need to become forgotten on the opposite side. As such, even if Gensokyo were to occupy a certain region of the world, there would simultaneously be cities and people occupying the corresponding area in the outside world, but the two would not normally interact because of the non-physical nature of the barrier.
For example, in Cage in Lunatic Runagate, it is stated that the 'Youkai Mountain' in Gensokyo preserves the original appearance of Mt. Yatsugatake before it was flattened by the patron goddess of Mt. Fuji in jealousy. This means that the mountain not only exists, but also looks different inside and outside the barrier.
There's actually a scene of Yukari looking through or sitting at the edge of (or some other verb that you can't really define in any language, honestly) the Hakurei barrier or... some sort, at the end of a chapter of Oriental Sacred Place. It clearly shows that Gensokyo and the real world OVERLAP (which goes along with that mount Yatsugatake example).
I forget which chapter it is, but the Outside World page in the wiki has one panel of it. Doesn't have all the panels before it that show the outside world and Gensokyo kinda blending in to each other, though.
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Outside_World
Just go to Yukari's page in the wiki and look up which OSP chapters she appears in, and it should be in one of those, I think. It's the chapter where the tree on the border gets struck by lightning.
IIRC, even way before that, there was also this from um... some correspondence with ZUN (maybe the ZUN's E-mails page?)
(paraphrased from my memory)
Touhou Fan: Question. Where is Gensokyo located in Japan?
ZUN: Gensokyo IS Japan.
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(paraphrased from my memory)
Touhou Fan: Question. Where is Gensokyo located in Japan?
ZUN: Gensokyo IS Japan.
Nah, that was about their language. He does say Gensokyo is Japan, but it's more like Gensokyo is situated in Japan, so they speak japanese.
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So decided to go looking into more music by circles, but I'm realizing that I may have dunked in the deep end so to speak. I feel very overwhelmed but how many songs there are and not sure where to start. I'm up for any genre since it's still Touhou.
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So decided to go looking into more music by circles, but I'm realizing that I may have dunked in the deep end so to speak. I feel very overwhelmed but how many songs there are and not sure where to start. I'm up for any genre since it's still Touhou.
Try Machikado-Mapoze (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/%E8%A1%97%E8%A7%92%E9%BA%BB%E5%A9%86%E8%B1%86)
Their newest album is so pleasant to the ears.
http://mapoze.com/pub/dancing/
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If you like instrumental rock, I'd recommend minami's solo albums. Thankfully they're available online, though looking at the DL size they're presumably not in lossless format.
JeuxInterdits (http://www.iosysos.com/cd/tohogt/)
Faithful Star (http://www.iosysos.com/cd/tohogt2/)
Variable Spellcaster (http://www.iosysos.com/cd/tohogt3/)
Reflection of a Drive (http://www.iosysos.com/cd/tohogt4/)
Eternal Fantasia (http://www.iosysos.com/cd/tohogt5/)
re:takes (http://www.iosysos.com/cd/tohogtbest/) (sort of a best-of release with some remasters and a remix.)
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Do you still have the link to the torrent, by any chance?
I have a fairly decent internet connection with me and I could offer you some assistance in searching for the song you want.
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a 4koma i just read raised this question; if Nue uses her ability on an item and afterward shows it to Rinnosuke, which ability would "win"?
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a 4koma i just read raised this question; if Nue uses her ability on an item and afterward shows it to Rinnosuke, which ability would "win"?
This is a confusing question. Can you re-state it, maybe link to the 4koma?
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This is a confusing question. Can you re-state it, maybe link to the 4koma?
Nue's ability is to hide the true shape of an object, Rinnosuke's is to identify an object's name and know their use. I guess his question is, if Nue turned one object into another and showed it to Rinnosuke, would his ability tell about the true shape of the object or the shape the object was turned into?
In my opinion, Rinnosuke would be able to identify the original object, since Nue's ability don't really change the nature of what she hides, just it's outward appearance.
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Knowing Rinnosuke though, he would probably make ridiculous assumptions about the object based on how he thinks its purpose relates to however the object currently looked. Like, more ridiculous than usual.
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My guess is that the illusion would conceal the object entirely. It's not like Rinnosuke can see through walls, or fog. If he can't see the object, he can't identify it. At best he would identify the illusion as "something created to mislead others".
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If you like instrumental rock, I'd recommend minami's solo albums. Thankfully they're available online, though looking at the DL size they're presumably not in lossless format.
JeuxInterdits (http://www.iosysos.com/cd/tohogt/)
Faithful Star (http://www.iosysos.com/cd/tohogt2/)
Variable Spellcaster (http://www.iosysos.com/cd/tohogt3/)
Reflection of a Drive (http://www.iosysos.com/cd/tohogt4/)
Eternal Fantasia (http://www.iosysos.com/cd/tohogt5/)
re:takes (http://www.iosysos.com/cd/tohogtbest/) (sort of a best-of release with some remasters and a remix.)
*Gasp* Is that Accept Bloody Fate I see in the track ist for the first one.... Thank you, I am super happy now.
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This is a confusing question. Can you re-state it, maybe link to the 4koma?
The 4koma is this one: http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/1194656?pool_id=2393 (http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/1194656?pool_id=2393) (the comic is ok but since is Danbooru = NSFW)
Amusingly enough, in the comic itself the artist avoid to answer the question :V
Personally, i think Clarste might be right, although that raise the corollary question: would Rinnosuke sees a different object altogether or recognize that is some sort of illusion?
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I think it's how Sagus and Drake said. Nue's ability isn't absolute and can be overcome (using spirit photography, for example (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Symposium_of_Post-mysticism/Kakashi_Spirit_News_1)). Rinnosuke's ability, however, works pretty deeply. Just remember that dinosaur bone story. (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Curiosities_of_Lotus_Asia/Chapter_15) So I think he won't have any trouble "accessing" the object's true name.
Besides, Nue's ability isn't to "change object into a different one", it's "make object unidentifiable". You can't tell how people will see such an object, different people might see the object differently, and it doesn't work if you already know what the object is (Seirensen crew didn't see UFOs like UFOs, but like pieces of wood they really were).
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Besides, Nue's ability isn't to "change object into a different one", it's "make object unidentifiable". You can't tell how people will see such an object, different people might see the object differently, and it doesn't work if you already know what the object is (Seirensen crew didn't see UFOs like UFOs, but like pieces of wood they really were).
This still need to be clarified, though. The part where "if you've seen/know the original object, then it won't work."
Does that mean, it doesn't matter what changes happened to it? Like, even if you can't be certain it's the same thing?
The ship they saw and knew was broken, but they can recognize the pieces of wood that belongs to it. It probably makes sense for Shou and the others, since they know that the ship broke, but what about Byakuren? She can still see that the UFO is a piece of wood, even though she probably have no idea if the ship was broken, or if the wood belong to it in the first place. I mean, it's a piece of wood. Will you automatically know where it came from when you see one?
If it really does won't work with that condition, then what about things that have gone through a process?
Say, you see a rock, then someone made a sculpture out of it. If Nue used her ability on this sculpture, would you be able to tell that it is the rock you saw before? Did I explain that right?
I don't really think it works like that, because that'll make her ability almost useless, or at least too complicated to use effectively.
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SoPM describes Nue's ability as "concealing its true nature by removing its form, sound, and smell, leaving only its behavior". Your mind fills in the blanks, so if it's behavior is particularly obvious you might correctly perceive what it is (the article says you'd see a "mirage-like bird" if it behaves like a bird). Basically, they could see the pieces of wood because they expected to see them floating around the area, so when they see a featureless flying thing they see wood instead. They aren't seeing the actual wood though, they're seeing the illusion of what they expect to see, which happens to be correct. "Mirage-like" wood, that's only how they imagine the wood would be. If the illusion was broken, they would see that all the details are different.
In the case of "showing Rinnosuke an object", he literally cannot see it, and even if he guesses what it is from its behavior, he's still never perceiving it with his eyes. The object is essentially invisible, and I don't think there's any reason to believe his power works on invisible things.
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Clearly, I need to pay more attention to Rinnosuke.. I hadn't even considered dude had an ability beyond being vaguely annoyed.
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In touhou labyrinth 2 alt+enter doesn't fullscreen the game and it's really awkward to play it is the even fullscreen in the game?
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Clearly, I need to pay more attention to Rinnosuke.. I hadn't even considered dude had an ability beyond being vaguely annoyed.
Rinnosuke's stories are super cool, I highly recommend reading them all (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Curiosities_of_Lotus_Asia/Aphorism) when you've got time to kill. Gensokyo through his eyes is very different than through the plot of a game, and I don't think any of the other characters have quite the same... Let's call it "insight," that he has. People often say that he's the first time ZUN's used a character as a mouthpiece to show more of the setting, though I personally think it varies from story to story.
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Just take everything that he says or thinks in those stories with a grain of salt. As ZUN himself said, he thinks he knows a lot more than he actually knows.
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Do you still have the link to the torrent, by any chance?
I have a fairly decent internet connection with me and I could offer you some assistance in searching for the song you want.
Hmm, I don't know if this is the exact torrent after all these years, but of the results I've googled that were around in 2008, the majority of them appear on nyaa, which is currently being DDOS'd. I don't think I'll have any luck until that's back up.
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It's just as the title says. What is the scenario timeline in SWR? ( Please not table like, the character names of the respective scenario )
Much Appreciated
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It's just as the title says. What is the scenario timeline in SWR? ( Please not table like, the character names of the respective scenario )
Much Appreciated
I guess you can find your answer here (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Scarlet_Weather_Rhapsody/Story), just scroll to the bottom of the page.
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Does anyone has a translated version of this doujin (http://g.e-hentai.org/s/22c98232f7/575057-9) (nswf link, image is swf)? I've googled hard and can't find anything...
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I've been thinking, does Touhou run on comic book time (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ComicBookTime)? IIRC ZUN said that the events of the games take place real-time, but the recurring characters don't seem to age that visibly, even the humans.
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The humans have noticeably aged some over the years, but the extent to which is pretty ambiguous. Despite this, yes the released works mostly follow real time.
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Their apparent ages really just depend on the artist, so it's hard to judge. ZUN never gave any concrete ages in the first place though, so it's easy enough to imagine Reimu and Marisa moving from teens to early twenties without any change in appearance. Might become more of a problem ten years from now.
I think it's been noted that Akyuu seems older now than when she was first introduced.
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Speaking of Akyuu is there an estimate on how long she has to live? Not sure if I'm remembering correctly but every time she reincarnates her life span shortens right?
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Speaking of Akyuu is there an estimate on how long she has to live? Not sure if I'm remembering correctly but every time she reincarnates her life span shortens right?
The Children of Miare aren't expected to make it past their thirties, as Akyuu herself says on her monologue (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Monologue)in PMiSS. She has more or less 10 years left to live, if we consider that she was born in 1994 (the year in which Aya's article that announced her birth (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Bunbunmaru_Newspaper) was published).
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Is there anyone who can gives some sort of summary about what the creator of this fan-made touhou series is talking.
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTASzD4Iqek
I kind of understand some parts but for the rest it's a bit too much for me. So, if there anyone who could give a detail descriptions of what is going that would really help.
Thanks for your time.
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It just come to my attention that at least a couple of Touhou tracks are almost completely symmetrical (namely Hartmann's Youkai Girl and Reverse Ideology). Did ZUN ever comment on their symmetry?
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Speaking of songs could zun get in trouble for satori Maiden 3rd eye since it has a part that's just like a song in Evangelion?
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Similarities between ZUNsongs and songs from Castlevania and others have been brought up over and over for years now. Some of these comparisons hold more weight than others. If he hasn't "gotten in trouble" by now, chances are he won't be. Not least of all due to a game that came out over six years ago.
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Nobody will ever get in trouble for a 2 bar sound-alike because they happen by accident all the time. In this case, ZUN most likely hummed this to himself and mistook it for an original idea, which is a common thing. It's pretty much impossible to tell if the melody you have in mind is something new or if you're just remembering some random song you heard 10 years ago.
On top of that, music played with standard tunings doesn't have endless possibilities. If you composed 300+ tracks, there's a good chance some of them would have parts that sound similar to songs you've never heard before.
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Question:
In PoFV, it is said that the flowers come into bloom every 60 years. According to the wiki, http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Phantasmagoria_of_Flower_View/Story#End-Story (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Phantasmagoria_of_Flower_View/Story#End-Story) , the same incident happened 60 years ago, and it was attributed to WWII.
Recently, I happen to read upon a Japanese myth about the curse of the Fire Horse. http://www.tofugu.com/2012/04/11/the-curse-of-the-fire-horse-japans-ultimate-form-of-contraception/ (http://www.tofugu.com/2012/04/11/the-curse-of-the-fire-horse-japans-ultimate-form-of-contraception/)
Every 60 years, the 12 animals and 5 elements will coincide for the year of the Fire Horse, and the people will go out of their way to not have children or to abort the babies due to its connotation of bad luck.
By the way, 1966 was the year of the fire horse, and the birthrate in Japan took a significant dip.
http://i.imgur.com/JPTyooy.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/JPTyooy.jpg)
Does this mean that all the flowers in PoFV are actually spirits of aborted babies?
pls respond
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1966 + 60 = 2026
so no
It was likely referring to the 2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake, given that was the deadliest disaster in recent times when the game was being developed (and one of the deadliest recorded natural disasters ever, really).
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1966 + 60 = 2026
so no
It was likely referring to the 2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake, given that was the deadliest disaster in recent times when the game was being developed (and one of the deadliest recorded natural disasters ever, really).
But then, the natural disasters and such don't always happen at 60 year cycles. The dialogue in game seems to imply that such events happen every 60 years, and they also mention the 60 year cycle involving the five elements and the 12 zodiac. Also, even though the game came out in 2005, the in-game time period does not necessarily have to match up with the game release. Maybe at cursory glance, the flowers seem to indicate the disaster victims or the casualties of war. However, the year of fire horse is also another explanation that can be presented.
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First, thanks for bringing up the article. It is probably part of the inspiration for PoFV's story, just as Touhou's sixty-year cycle of three lights, four seasons and five elements is inspired by the real life cycle of 60 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexagenary_cycle), but they are otherwise entirely invented by ZUN.
Most Touhou stories do in fact happen around the time of their release. For games, this means happening in the same year, with exception of some spinoffs.
(The real purpose of introducing the cycle in PoFV is to talk about WW2. Like some things in Touhou, it's actually better to not take it at face value.)
Also, the description provided by your article is very shallow. The real cycle of 60 is a synthesis of two ancient Chinese systems, the Ten Heavenly Stems and the Twelve Earthly Branches, both dating back to Shang dynasty, older than the ideas of five elements and twelve animals.
Of course, when Japan adopted the cycle, the Stems and Branches have already been prominently associated with the five elements and twelve animals. So in Japanese on-yomi reading, they are pronounced using these names (http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%B9%B2%E6%94%AF). The Heavenly Stems are all named in the format of "Elder Brother of Metal", "Little Brother of Metal". If you are seriously going to translate in this way what that article refers to as "Fire Horse", 丙午 Hinoeuma, it should be "Big-Fire Horse", because there is also a "Little-Fire Horse"!
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Here's a story written by ZUN about PoFV. (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Seasonal_Dream_Vision/A_Beautiful_Flower_Blooming_Violet_Every_Sixty_Years) It sort of goes into an explanation of the sixty year cycle.
To paraphrase, the sixty year cycle according to the story occurs as a result of a synthesis of the three lights (sun, moon, stars), the four seasons (spring, summer, autumn, winter), and the five phases (fire, water, wood, metal, earth). The phenomenon occurs when the year has the attributes of sun, spring, and earth, symbolizing the rebirth of all living things.
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(I realize others have posted much of what I'm saying before I could but w/e)
But then, the natural disasters and such don't always happen at 60 year cycles.
Hey, I never said the 60-year cycle has any basis in reality. It's a mythos, and is just written here by ZUN in order to fit stuff.
The dialogue in game seems to imply that such events happen every 60 years, and they also mention the 60 year cycle involving the five elements and the 12 zodiac.
It's the three lights/spirits, four seasons and five elements/phases, not the chinese zodiac signs; although the chinese calendar uses the zodiac and the five elements (well ten, since they're per yin and yang) in a sexagenary cycle as well, also called the stem-branch cycle. But yes, the point of the system is precisely that "nature" is supposed to repeat every 60 years. Any big event happening at one time would then have a similar occurrence 60 years later, not just this event of many deaths. You can read some more about this in SJD's one-shot (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Seasonal_Dream_Vision/A_Beautiful_Flower_Blooming_Violet_Every_Sixty_Years).
Also, even though the game came out in 2005, the in-game time period does not necessarily have to match up with the game release.
It always has. The Touhou series follows real time and current events as much as possible. Much of the time even the game's season is in line with release date. The only big outlier is Fairy Wars, because that was about an event that happened in the manga several years before. PCB's release date is off, but BaiJR specifies its canonical date, as well as confirming dates for EoSD, IaMP and IN (as well as PoFV's year and season). The calendar system is well-established and is used throughout the series.
However, the year of fire horse is also another explanation that can be presented.
I don't see why you would come to that conclusion. Is there any particular reason you want to look at this? Because to me it seems like you've plucked this out of nowhere. And if the year of the Fire Horse has known dates, why assume this is the case when it totally contradicts the other dates?
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Is there any particular reason you want to look at this? Because to me it seems like you've plucked this out of nowhere. And if the year of the Fire Horse has known dates, why assume this is the case when it totally contradicts the other dates?
It gives another look at the background material for one of the games. I didn't pluck this out of nowhere. This is Japanese superstition and fits right in considering a lot of Touhou material also gives a glimpse at Japanese myths and folklore. Also, I don't know much about the games at all, so I'm not sure of the exact dates the events occur. If someone with enough knowledge of Japanese myth took a cursory glance at the PoFV game, it would be easier and more natural for him to associate the 60 year cycle of death and rebirth with the year of fire horse rather than contemporary events.
I think it's fun to look at things like this. Don't you?
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It gives another look at the background material for one of the games. I didn't pluck this out of nowhere. This is Japanese superstition and fits right in considering a lot of Touhou material also gives a glimpse at Japanese myths and folklore. Also, I don't know much about the games at all, so I'm not sure of the exact dates the events occur. If someone with enough knowledge of Japanese myth took a cursory glance at the PoFV game, it would be easier and more natural for him to associate the 60 year cycle of death and rebirth with the year of fire horse rather than contemporary events.
I think it's fun to look at things like this. Don't you?
Honestly, it sounds to me like you just recently learned some one weird little piece of trivia and are overeager to associate it with anything. Even if we were talking about the same cycle, why exactly would a year associated with unlucky children make anyone think of death? You'd think of people not having kids, at best. Surely there's another year that would be more associated with death itself. Declining birth rates are absolutely not the same thing as increased death rates, and I can't imagine anyone intuitively making that leap.
I'm not really that well informed about the details of the cycle, but following this conversation it sounds to me like this is a logical leap only you could possibly make, due to the coincidental timing of you learning this factoid and reading about PoFV's story.
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Even if we were talking about the same cycle, why exactly would a year associated with unlucky children make anyone think of death?
Because abortion.
I like looking at grim and dark background information, like Totoro being the death god or the bathhouse in Spirited Away being a whorehouse. Imagine all the flowers in PoFV actually being spirits of dead unborn babies.
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Because abortion.
I like looking at grim and dark background information, like Totoro being the death god or the bathhouse in Spirited Away being a whorehouse. Imagine all the flowers in PoFV actually being spirits of dead unborn babies.
Abortion is almost certainly not the primary source of the low birth rate, and I doubt it even made a dent in the death rate. It's interestingly morbid, but it's not an association that most people would readily make without your particular circumstances.
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I think it's fun to look at things like this. Don't you?
If I didn't, I wouldn't be trying to help clarify what's really going on, nor in general be posting about the series' lore in these threads for years. I'm just actually interested in the factual information and understanding the meaning behind it, rather than fabricating tenuous pet theories and acting as though they're correct. Not that pet theories are necessarily bad, just that they don't substitute or represent the original content. The content we're given is interesting enough to discuss as it is, really.
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It is a bit more difficult for me to play touhou fighting games (touhou 10.5/12.3) on laptop cause I have to press 2 keys at the same time to enable a diagonal action. So I went to put an external keyboard which have the traditional keys but I still don't have access to the diagonal direction. I think the game doesn't register the numerical pad of the external keyboard and that may be why I still don't have access to numbers like 7, 9, 1, 3.
So, what can I do to have access to those diagonal moves?
Do I have to end the process of the internal keyboard in the laptop first or what?
Can autokeys solve this problem?
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I have no idea what you're trying to do. To press diagonals you should be pressing two directions together (down + right, up + left, etc), you can't bind the diagonals to their own keys normally because playing like that would be really awkward.
In any case you should really save yourself the headache and just buy a playstation style controller with a saturn d-pad. They're like 10 bucks and they make pretty much every action game that's not a FPS/TPS more enjoyable.
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I've had the exact same problem, and I solved it with AutoHotKey. Essentially the problem is that laptop manufacturers cut corners on the wiring, so the keyboard physically can't tell the difference when certain keys are pressed at the same time. In my case, Z was on the same wire as the up and left keys, so I couldn't move up-left while firing. To solve this I remapped Shift, Z, X, and C to X, C, V, and B (two spots over, basically). This solved the problem for my keyboard, but it really depends on the specific model so you might have to experiment.
That said, there is no "diagonal" button in Touhou, you just press two arrow keys at once to move diagonally.
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Is that a recent thing? I don't think I've ever heard of anyone having this issue before, only some people being unable to press 3 keys at the same time on some super cheap keyboards. What laptop are you using?
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Is that a recent thing? I don't think I've ever heard of anyone having this issue before, only some people being unable to press 3 keys at the same time on some super cheap keyboards. What laptop are you using?
I'm using an Acer Aspire, but I had the same issue (well, not quite as bad) on my previous laptop too. So about... 7 years or so? It really depends on the manufacturer and the specific model.
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Ive been always wondering something , as we all know it has been confirmed that Aya is a ( the ?) wind god wich actually states in MoF that she and the Tengu are getting like annoyed of Kanako because she keeps thinking that the mountain is hers BUT this only gives me confusion because of Kanakos last spell "Virtue of Wind God", wich the name of would actualy mean that the spell is the virtue of the wind god, and who is the wind god? Aya. Can anyone tell me how this makes any sense ? Or what have I been missing?
Or how I completely butchered the english language ? ???
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Ive been always wondering something , as we all know it has been confirmed that Aya is a ( the ?) wind god wich actually states in MoF that she and the Tengu are getting like annoyed of Kanako because she keeps thinking that the mountain is hers BUT this only gives me confusion because of Kanakos last spell "Virtue of Wind God", wich the name of would actualy mean that the spell is the virtue of the wind god, and who is the wind god? Aya. Can anyone tell me how this makes any sense ? Or what have I been missing? Or how I completely butchered the english language ? ???
Aya is not a real god. "Wind God" is just a nickname she earned for being really fast. Kanako is a real wind god, and her spellcard is referring to herself. Aya and the other tengu are just annoyed at Kanako because the mountain is their land, in the mundane sense that they think she's a trespasser on their property.
However, your question indicates that you're making the incorrect assumption that there is only one god of any particular thing. That's not how it works in Shinto, or most other pantheistic religions for that matter. There can be more than one god of wind at the same time.
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There is not always a clear line between gods and monster. The tengu are monsters who are also sometimes worshipped, so they can indeed be called gods. IIRC Aya straight said "we tengu are gods" in PoFV. Either that or her profile said so. (Also, on the pages of PMiSS, the English text translated "tengu" as "wind deity").
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There is not always a clear line between gods and monster. The tengu are monsters who are also sometimes worshipped, so they can indeed be called gods. IIRC Aya straight said "we tengu are gods" in PoFV. Either that or her profile said so. (Also, on the pages of PMiSS, the English text translated "tengu" as "wind deity").
Well, yes, but technically Kanako isn't a wind god either because she's changing her myth. I just didn't want to confuse anyone. :) For most purposes in the story, tengu are distinct from gods because they don't need to gather faith.
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Ive been always wondering something , as we all know it has been confirmed that Aya is a ( the ?) wind god wich actually states in MoF that she and the Tengu are getting like annoyed of Kanako because she keeps thinking that the mountain is hers BUT this only gives me confusion because of Kanakos last spell "Virtue of Wind God", wich the name of would actualy mean that the spell is the virtue of the wind god, and who is the wind god? Aya. Can anyone tell me how this makes any sense ? Or what have I been missing? Or how I completely butchered the english language ? ???
Let's start with talking about Ayaya first. Aya is not a 'Wind God', regardless of what her music themes may be named. Instead, she is a Karasu-Tengu (hence, a youkai), and her loyalty, therefore, would belong to the leader of the Tengu, the Tenma.
The reason why the Tengu and the Moriya were in conflict at the commencement of MoF was because the Tengu believed that all the territory in the Youkai Mountain and its vicinity were their domain, but the Moriya, having recently arrived and taken the peak of the mountain as their shrine-grounds, were not willing to be subjected to Tengu jurisdiction, and instead wished that the Tengu be their subjects and worship them to provide faith.
Now Kananko is technically one of the Yamato Kami, though since she has a human form, she may correspond to the class of "Divine Spirits" (akin to the Ten Desires Stage 1 mid-boss?).
She is called a "Goddess of the Wind" as the Bagua element she is most closely associated to is the "Sky" (as supposed to Suwako's affinity with "Earth", the opposite element).
Her exact abilities are rather vague as per current canon. Apparently she should be able to control the weather and winds, but she also has some ability at construction (the Myourenji temple was reportedly built by her). Currently she seems to be going as a "Goddess of Mountains and Lakes", though she is working to change that to "Goddess of Technological Progress"
So, Kanako is the wind god, and Aya is a messenger is the service of the Tenma, and a reporter in her free time.
These are good further reading in this regard:
Aya as described in Perfect Momento in a Strict Sense. (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Aya_Shameimaru)
Kanako's article in Symposium of Post-Mysticism (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Symposium_of_Post-mysticism/Kanako_Yasaka)
EDITTO : Post was ninja'ed.
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"Wind God" is just a nickname she earned for being really fast.
It isn't even her nickname. Music theme names actually have nothing to do with anything they're used for, even if some might look like they do. SDM's library isn't named Voile, Remilia isn't a princess (and her theme even isn't a septette) etc. As for "Wind God Girl", IIRC this theme was named like that as a reference to something.
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I don't know any reference in "Wind God Girl". In any case, as PoFV and PMiSS showed, the tengu are literarily minor wind kami, and as has been repeatedly brought up in the QA thread, being a kami is no big deal in an animist faith where everything by definition has kami inside.
Parsee is also called a guardian goddess in her SA profile (which the old translation missed). The word "tsukumogami" itself includes "kami" - they are the kami living in tools who turned against the humans who neglected them. Danzaburou-danuki, the tanuki Mamizou is based on, is worshipped in Sado - its shrine is a tourist attraction, and Japanese Touhou fans often assume Mamizou is also worshipped in Touhou universe.
The line between kami and youkai is thin and often nonexistent. It's probably better to treat this as an advanced-level Touhou lesson - since it's the subject of that WaHH chapter about trees, rather than an expert-level lesson, if you catch my drift.
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The word "tsukumogami" itself includes "kami" - they are the kami living in tools who turned against the humans who neglected them.
Shikigami also contains the word kami.
It isn't even her nickname. Music theme names actually have nothing to do with anything they're used for, even if some might look like they do. SDM's library isn't named Voile, Remilia isn't a princess (and her theme even isn't a septette) etc. As for "Wind God Girl", IIRC this theme was named like that as a reference to something.
I wasn't even thinking about her theme, she just has the word "wind god" in her spellcards and such. Peerless Wind God, Wind God's Fan, etc.
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- Is there a way to create macro for touhou fighting game using 'autohotkeys' or such? Like a single button for executing a series of different moves in sequence for a special attack.
If so, how to do it?
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- Is there a way to create macro for touhou fighting game using 'autohotkeys' or such? Like a single button for executing a series of different moves in sequence for a special attack.
If so, how to do it?
Might this be what you seek? (http://hisouten.koumakan.jp/wiki/Misc_tools#Soku_Macro)
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Why is it that the majority of Bad Apple remixes contain parts of the Alstroemeria Records version? Can you list some that don't?
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Might this be what you seek? (http://hisouten.koumakan.jp/wiki/Misc_tools#Soku_Macro)
- Does it also work with touhou 10.5?
Is there anyone who can gives some sort of summary about what the creator of this fan-made touhou series is talking.
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTASzD4Iqek
I kind of understand some parts but for the rest it's a bit too much for me. So, if there anyone who could give a detail descriptions of what is going that would really help.
Thanks for your time.
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Has Kasen ever shown any fighting capabilities?
Thanks in advance!
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Has Kasen ever shown any fighting capabilities?
Thanks in advance!
She's been shown killing evil spirits and baby-lightning-dragon things with that weird arm of hers. She also beat up some hobgoblins off-screen, though that doesn't seem much of an achievement. And she seems pretty good at "spells" for lack of a better word (not the stuff magicians use, just shaping her energy to create different effects). Presumably she's about as strong as Suika and Yuugi - i.e. pretty damn strong - which is backed up by Miko saying she radiates power far beyond her own.
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...and baby-lightning-dragon things with that weird arm of hers. Presumably she's about as strong as Suika and Yuugi - i.e. pretty damn strong - which is backed up by Miko saying she radiates power far beyond her own.
Could you clarify a bit the parts in bold 1) what did she do with the baby-lightning-dragon things with that weird arm of hers exactly? i.e summoning it out of nowhere...
2) Is this the link that you say backed up the statement that she is presumably as strong as those Oni Devas? - http://bato.to/read/_/201119/touhou-ibarakasen-wild-and-horned-hermit_v4_ch18_by_no-group/16
- Can fairies (apart from the 3 fairy of light) and/or youkai in general change there form/physical appearance ... or at least change the way other people perceive them to look like, without using their power/ability (like Nue)?
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Could you clarify a bit the parts in bold 1) what did she do with the baby-lightning-dragon things with that weird arm of hers exactly? i.e summoning it out of nowhere...
It's from the most recent WaHH chapter. There's a lizard with the potential to grow into a dragon, which flies around as a ball of lightning that's implied to disintegrate things on contact. Kasen grabs it without being harmed, stabs her other hand into it and rips out its liver, causing it to explode.
2) Is this the link that you say backed up the statement that she is presumably as strong as those Oni Devas? - http://bato.to/read/_/201119/touhou-ibarakasen-wild-and-horned-hermit_v4_ch18_by_no-group/16
Well that and the constant implications that she used to be a member of their group herself.
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It's from the most recent WaHH chapter. There's a lizard with the potential to grow into a dragon, which flies around as a ball of lightning that's implied to disintegrate things on contact. Kasen grabs it without being harmed, stabs her other hand into it and rips out its liver, causing it to explode.
In other words she punched a lightning bolt, which was also a dragon.
She follows the oni tradition of casually doing the impossible.
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It's from the most recent WaHH chapter. There's a lizard with the potential to grow into a dragon, which flies around as a ball of lightning that's implied to disintegrate things on contact. Kasen grabs it without being harmed, stabs her other hand into it and rips out its liver, causing it to explode.
jesus fucking christ that's probably the most hardcore thing any touhou character has ever done (on-screen at least)
- Can fairies (apart from the 3 fairy of light) and/or youkai in general change there form/physical appearance ... or at least change the way other people perceive them to look like, without using their power/ability (like Nue)?
Outside of beast youkai turning into their animals forms (implied to be a characteristic they all share, even though we've only seen Rin doing it), it doesn't seem like they can.
Aya and Hatate have been show to have wings in BAjR, PMiSS and SoPM (and probably in other works that I'm not remembering) but never in the main games, and some wolf tengu have wolf ears while others don't in certain pics in SoPM; if you really wanna stretch it, you could say the Tengu at least can hide their more animalistic features if they want.
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You know, speaking of Aya's PMiSS article (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Aya_Shameimaru) from the previous page, there's one part that has always bugged me:
Her fan is a tool that allows her to summon the wind. One sweep of the fan can blow over a house, two sweeps can blow over a large tree and three sweeps can cause a traveler's cloak to fly away.
So it takes more effort to do less damage? I don't get this, and it irks me the way people who say "for all intensive purposes" irk me. Is there any canonical explanation for this beyond "because ZUN"?
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At a guess, I'd say it was reference to the Aesop fable The North Wind And The Sun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_North_Wind_and_the_Sun):
The story concerns a competition between the North wind and the Sun to decide which is the stronger of the two. The challenge was to make a passing traveler remove his cloak. However hard the North Wind blew, the traveler only wrapped his cloak tighter to keep warm, but when the Sun shone, the traveler was overcome with heat and had to take his cloak off.
In other words, her wind power rivals that of the North Wind.
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Would ZUN reference Aesop's fables? I reckon it's possible - has he done it before?
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I searched aesop on the Touhouwiki and it gave me exactly one result- funnily enough from StB (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Shoot_the_Bullet/Spell_Cards/Level_10#cite_ref-2)- so I guess he at least knows about them. I'm not gonna call myself an expert on the stories though :V
A question of my own- I remember a few years ago there was a neat gizmo called Touhou Clock (actually, I think it was spelled Toho) that appears to be offline. It was a cool gadget that played music with a beep for every second, and played a 5 second animation every 10 seconds (words!). The song would change each minute and the location in Gensokyo the music and animations were from would change on the hour. I can find the music online but it's not the same without the rest of the package- does anyone know if it's mirrored somewhere?
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Can anyone confirm the accuracy of the translation below in italics? From reading the translation in other site I get a different meaning.
Original - 土地を離れると信仰を失うが、その地限定では広域の神様よりも（仮に最高神クラスだとしてもそれ以上の）力を持つ事は少なくない。
Translation taken from SoPm, touhouwiki.net - When they are separated from their land, they lose their faith, but within their area, it's not uncommon for them to have more power than wide-ranging (and perhaps even the highest level of) gods.
- Also did the front page of the site change, i.e become larger and more white?
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Also did the front page of the site change, i.e become larger and more white?
https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17420.0.html
Currently in Grandma Friendly Mode.
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Can anyone confirm the accuracy of the translation below in italics? From reading the translation in other site I get a different meaning.
Original - 土地を離れると信仰を失うが、その地限定では広域の神様よりも（仮に最高神クラスだとしてもそれ以上の）力を持つ事は少なくない。
Translation taken from SoPm, touhouwiki.net - When they are separated from their land, they lose their faith, but within their area, it's not uncommon for them to have more power than wide-ranging (and perhaps even the highest level of) gods.
It's accurate. I assume this part is what you want broken down:
最高神クラス = "highest-class gods"
仮に(...)としても = "even if (...)", "even granting that (...)", "even supposing (...)", etc
それ以上 = "greater than that"
It's saying that gods native to an area can possess so much faith that within that area they can have more power than "popular" gods, even ones that are usually considered to be the most "powerful". It's closely tied to the notion of a god's faith = influence = power.
This explanation mostly refers to gods that have become revered in single or isolated areas, where it's as if the whole population worships the particular god; even if another more widely-known god becomes introduced to the area through e.g. neighbouring provinces, the devotion to the original god in many cases will remain the lead role. That being said, this concept is where the relationship of Suwako and Kanako essentially comes from (Kanako's influence "invading" Suwako's territory) and why it's so significant that Suwako "lost". Maybe that puts it into context a bit.
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A question of my own- I remember a few years ago there was a neat gizmo called Touhou Clock (actually, I think it was spelled Toho) that appears to be offline. It was a cool gadget that played music with a beep for every second, and played a 5 second animation every 10 seconds (words!). The song would change each minute and the location in Gensokyo the music and animations were from would change on the hour. I can find the music online but it's not the same without the rest of the package- does anyone know if it's mirrored somewhere?
Unfortunately, there isn't a mirror.
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In touhou wiki, Yuuka profile, it written that "Eiki said "let's make it as clear as black and white who of us is the strongest in Gensokyo" but should not that be Yuuka who said that to Eiki in touhou 9 PoFV?
When did the nickname "ZUN" become popular?
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In touhou wiki, Yuuka profile, it written that "Eiki said "let's make it as clear as black and white who of us is the strongest in Gensokyo" but should not that be Yuuka who said that to Eiki in touhou 9 PoFV?
Yeah, it's Yuuka who says that, not Eiki.
When did the nickname "ZUN" become popular?
According to the wiki, it's been his nickname since childhood. It's the short form of his real name.
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In WaHH chapter 19, Sanae mentioned three people in relation to her sake. Who exactly are they, and what kind of their deeds could be attributed to sake?
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What exactly are Reimu's Persuasion Needles?
The talismans that Reimu throws around are Ofuda. That much I know, and they're a part of Shinto. But what are her needles? I'm assuming that they also relate to/come from Shinto as well, but I know nothing about Shinto and don't even know how to search for something like this.
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This has been asked in Misc. Questions thread before. Japanese fans are also puzzled by them, as they are not strongly associated to Shintoism.
In short: I think, but isn't sure, that needles are used in some Shinto magical seals - e.g. using needles to affix a paper talisman on buildings - I still need a clear source on that.
The idea of needles as weapon, probably comes from acupuncture needles, which are used as a projectile weapon in Chinese martial arts ("wuxia") fiction. A clue is in Yukari, who's the only other needle user. Yukari's SA weapon is called 頂門紫針, which comes from the idiom 頂門一針, referring to acupuncture needles.
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Yeah I just noticed that thread shortly after making this one. And I couldn't delete this one. Oops.
Thanks for the answer.
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Do any of the characters have specific birthdays, or is the release date of the game each character debuted in the best we have to their birthdays?
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Since Miko is Prince Shotoku, I think it's safe to say her birthday is in the same date that's attributed to his, which is February 7. Other than that, we don't know the birthdays of anyone else.
I don't think you can even pinpoint the "birthday" of a youkai anyway, considering their nature as manifestations of humanity's fears.
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Wiki lists Akyuu's birthday as August 1994. I think that's as close as it gets for most people.
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Wiki lists Akyuu's birthday as August 1994. I think that's as close as it gets for most people.
Yeah, and even that date is a large point of discussion, since it's based on Aya's article about the Child of Miare's birth, yet the picture shown isn't of baby Akyuu. Some argue that it could be her mother, others that when they say "birth" it means that it's when Akyuu first showed signs of being the current incarnation of Are, so it didn't refer to her actual physical birth. There was a discussion about it in one of these "questions" thread.
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I can't recall it correctly but I remember I read that Sakuya used her powers to accelerate time (Pucci plz) such as making bamboo flowers bloom instantly. My question is, when does this happens? I already read all the official books and mangas but I don't remember seeing Sakuya being Made in Heaven, but it might be me.... ??? ???
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I can't recall it correctly but I remember I read that Sakuya used her powers to accelerate time (Pucci plz) such as making bamboo flowers bloom instantly. My question is, when does this happens? I already read all the official books and mangas but I don't remember seeing Sakuya being Made in Heaven, but it might be me.... ??? ???
It's mentioned in SSIB that she can age wines instantly (using the word "vintage" incorrectly).
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I think it's in one of Marisa's EoSD endings that Sakuya accelerates time to make bamboo flowers.
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confirming it's ending 5 with MarisaA
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Also if you know anything about bamboos (they generally flower at decades long fixed intervals and then die; the one Sakuya used here has a 60-year interval), you know this is a quietly morbid ending.
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Wow! Thanks! I didn't know where she used time acceleration, but now it's all clear xD and it seems in some of her Fighting Game Spell Cards and Skill Cards she also uses this kind of trick...
cuc, Drake and Clarste are my idols!! They're like Touhou Canon Omniscient Beings! xDDD
I have another question. It's stated in the wiki, and I also read in several other places, that the eyes inside Yukari's Gaps are the "manifestation of how desires are swirling around".
I would like to know: where does this statement comes from?
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Is sm2932797 lost forever?
If I can read properly, it's モグモグフヨード's second video. I missed my chance to see it then it still was available.
Maybe I should create separate thread for that?
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Mogufuyo took down all his stuff, deleted his nico account and stopped making videos a while ago. His site also stopped reference to his videos. Some of his stuff is available again from reuploads.
俺の走り is available at sm9826849.
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I remember there being a translation thread before...
Anyway, can anyone please translate for me the titles of these two vocal remixes?
少女が見る深層領域 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWzsAVizzoY)
雷々伝々 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_UbmH65Wf0)
The second one seems to be "Thunder's Legend" or something.
Thanks in advance!
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I remember there being a translation thread before...
Anyway, can anyone please translate for me the titles of these two vocal remixes?
少女が見る深層領域 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWzsAVizzoY)
雷々伝々 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_UbmH65Wf0)
The second one seems to be "Thunder's Legend" or something.
Thanks in advance!
I would probably do something like
"The Great Depths the Girl Saw"
"Thunderous Legend"
I took some small liberties with those though, since more literal translations sound either dumb or nonsensical imo!
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Does anyone know why on the wiki "Charming Domination" has been changed to "Youkai Domination" when the second title is an inaccurate translation? The kanji in the song title are the same as the third and fourth kanji in the game's title, and although "you" is in there, "kai" isn't (it would be romanized as "youyou bakko"), so why is it "Youkai Domination"?
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http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Perfect_Cherry_Blossom/Music#Translation_of_.E5.A6.96.E3.80.85.E8.B7.8B.E6.89.88
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Ehh... even if that's the case overall I don't agree that "youkai" is the best word to have there, especially since the translations of the same kanji used in the title of the game and the fifth stage theme are different. Youyou just doesn't equal youkai to me, it's more akin to "ghostly" as implied by the title of the game, especially since the Extra stage takes place in the Netherworld. I guess it's just a nitpick of mine, but it just feels like it's going too broad for the actual meaning of "youyou."
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Then post on the talk page about it. I agree with the assessment made in the page so far, but I also am not too keen on using youkai explicitly. Using two different words in different contexts isn't a bother, though.
Personally I like the really old translation of Phantasms' Domination, because it coincidentally carries the meanings of 妖 and 妖怪 and is also a reference to the stage.
Funnily, this has made me notice the blurb in the afterword:
妖怪に始まり、あらゆる妖の者が好き勝手している世界。
Which is certainly not "The world where, starting with youkai, every possible youkai-like beings prevail", but instead should be "A world where, beginning with youkai, all kinds of mystical beings do as they please".
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Is there any official information about the approximate location of Spring Path? I'm trying to figure out the route in GFW that makes the most sense geographically. It seems to make sense to start off at misty lake because that is where Cirno lives and where she found out her house (I find it a bit weird that an ice fairy lives in a house for some reason...) destroyed. But I'm not sure if she should reach the forest of magic first or spring path first ???
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The location of many areas of Gensokyo in relation to each other often aren't very well-defined. If anything, all you can say is that the Spring Path is close to the Misty Lake or the Forest of Magic or both. It's also hard to say if she would start looking near her house first, or head for the Forest of Magic, which is where the Fairies lived at the time.
This really might just be done on purpose in order to have ambiguity between which route makes the most sense. The Forest of Magic is somewhat by the Human Village, and the Misty Lake is at the base of Youkai Mountain. That's about it.
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The joke with Spring Path is that even Cirno herself isn't sure why she's heading there.
If you still want a more or less definite location and are okay with a theory, here's how I've always seen it. First off, Spring Path looks like it's the same location as the Extra stage, only with a different color, which can be explained by a different time of day, and with a different name, but there are strong associations between spring and sakura. While Extra stage location isn't definitely known either, we know it's a path that Marisa took while returning from a flower viewing. And where else would a flower viewing that involves Marisa be but the Hakurei Shrine? Of course, all this is just a conjecture, but it's as good one as any could be.
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Hi, reasonably new here (usually found around the garage experiments board), and i have a question about a certain song maker known as JynX
(if this doesn't fit on this board, tell me, it seemed like the right place when i was looking at each of the boards)
anyway, this guy does videos or remixed touhou games from PC-98 and makes music for them, a good example being his lotus land story video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw5DWji_X0c
anyway, the question i want to ask, i'm searching for a way to purchase the songs from the video, and I think i've found the album that they belong too, but am uncertain as I couldn't find a place to listen to enough of it to find out if the songs from that video are on it.
The album I believe they are on is this one:
http://mugenri.blog.shinobi.jp/%E6%9C%AA%E9%81%B8%E6%8A%9E/%E5%A4%8F%E8%BE%BC%E3%81%BF%E9%A0%92%E5%B8%83%E7%89%A9%E8%A9%B3%E7%B4%B0%E6%83%85%E5%A0%B1%E3%81%A0%E3%82%88%E3%82%88%E3%82%93
with the name of 現樂団の往古2 ～ 束方懐幻想郷 ～ (i think)
has anyone heard this album?, mainly interested in whether or not it includes the songs from the video above as it is from the same guy and has remixes of the songs in question
Also, further apologies if the question is weird/written weirdly, I don't write on forums very much :ohdear:
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Something come to mind, how come all those new arrive youkai who just come in Gensokyo (to cause an incident or whatsoever) seems to generally follow the spell card system as if they new about the spell card rules beforehand?
- Another important thing I wanted to know and have some clarification about, as far as I know there no absolute reason(s) that youkai (e.g. youkai living in hell like Oni, etc.) or other entities (like Tenshi/Yamas) living outside Gensokyo have to strictly abide by the spell card rules system (or even follow it at all) and thus spare the life of the loser, etc..., isn't it?
- This mainly means that all of those till now ultimately chose to do so (like Watatsuki no Yorihime) irrespectively of the reason, isn't it?
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Something come to mind, how come all those new arrive youkai who just come in Gensokyo (to cause an incident or whatsoever) seems to generally follow the spell card system as if they new about the spell card rules beforehand?
- Another important thing I wanted to know and have some clarification about, as far as I know there no absolute reason(s) that youkai (e.g. youkai living in hell like Oni, etc.) or other entities (like Tenshi/Yamas) living outside Gensokyo have to strictly abide by the spell card rules system (or even follow it at all) and thus spare the life of the loser, etc..., isn't it?
- This mainly means that all of those till now ultimately chose to do so (like Watatsuki no Yorihime) irrespectively of the reason, isn't it?
Nobody knows for sure. Maybe the rules magically apply by default, maybe the heroines explain them to every boss that wouldn't know them, maybe they are already known beyond Gensokyo. But it's likely that whoever you are, if you're in Gensokyo they always apply fully, that's their whole point. No way to tell how much they apply in "neighbourhooding" worlds (Netherworld, Heaven, Hell, Makai), we just know they don't really apply on the moon and Yorihime just gave everyone a sporting chance.
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I can understand how there might possibly be something "magical" about the spell card contract, if only because I find it VERY hard to imagine a truckton of youkai following the rules otherwise, but... it still makes it odd that Byakuren, who was fought outside of Gensokyo and was isolated from it (as well as any contact with anyone from it), used them. Me myself, I personally just file it under the "Whatever. Just don't think about it too hard" category.
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I'd guess Byakuren simply used non-lethal magic to duel (which would be in-character for her, I think). Magic that was suspiciously similar to spell cards.
But yeah, it's best not think too hard about it.
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I like to think of the
Rumia
fight in Rei Reimu videos where they fight legit but Reimu or the other heroine explains the way they fight now. What we see in the game could just be the latter and from a gameplay perspective the former is excluded.
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妖怪に始まり、あらゆる妖の者が好き勝手している世界。
"A world where, beginning with youkai, all kinds of mystical beings do as they please".
The issue with translating 妖 as "mystical" is that the word "mystical" tends towards the positive in English, when 妖 is negative: it's seductive, morally ruinous, or at very least uncanny. I'd render the 妖の者 here as "sorcerous beings", and the general term 妖術 as "sorcery" or "sorcerous arts".
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Paraphrased from a conversation yesterday:
"Thanks."
"To Ant, Fang, and You."
"Haha. Do we even know who Ant and Fang are?"
"No but someone's probably stalked ZUN enough to find out."
Do we know who Ant and Fang are?
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The issue with translating 妖 as "mystical" is that the word "mystical" tends towards the positive in English, when 妖 is negative: it's seductive, morally ruinous, or at very least uncanny. I'd render the 妖の者 here as "sorcerous beings", and the general term 妖術 as "sorcery" or "sorcerous arts".
One of the problems with the term is that it doesn't seem to have a good english counterpart for any one situation. I definitely get what you're saying; I did choose "phantasm" just above but I don't think "phantasmal beings" fits here either.
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In English, "uncanny" is the closest to 妖 in the ayakashi sense. Unfortunately it's also not a practical word to use in most contexts.
Paraphrased from a conversation yesterday:
"Thanks."
"To Ant, Fang, and You."
"Haha. Do we even know who Ant and Fang are?"
"No but someone's probably stalked ZUN enough to find out."
Do we know who Ant and Fang are?
No, we don't.
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The issue with translating 妖 as "mystical" is that the word "mystical" tends towards the positive in English, when 妖 is negative: it's seductive, morally ruinous, or at very least uncanny.
"Eldritch" then? It literally means "of the realm of the elves", in the old-school sense of horrifying monsters that eat children.
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Paraphrased from a conversation yesterday:
"Thanks."
"To Ant, Fang, and You."
"Haha. Do we even know who Ant and Fang are?"
"No but someone's probably stalked ZUN enough to find out."
Do we know who Ant and Fang are?
Ant = Ari
Fang = ga
And = to
You = U
It's a pun on arigatou.
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preemptive response for people who didn't yet know this
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Ant = Ari
Fang = ga
And = to
You = U
It's a pun on arigatou.
It was a fun theory. But in truth, IN was the only one that says "ant, fang and you". In EoSD it looks like this:
Special Thanks
ant
fang
and All Test Players
and you...
In PCB:
Special Thanks
ant
fang
pbg
and all test player
and you...
Now consider the following:
-The names "ant" and "fang" appeared in the games from EoSD (2002) to IN (development period from 2003 to 2004).
-In PoFV (2005), "ant" and "fang" disappeared from the Special Thanks section, replaced by four playtesters.
-Starting from MoF (2007), the only name in the Special Thanks section has been his girlfriend and later wife, Ki-san.
-These two people are neither part of the Seihou crew (like Ponchi/pbg is) nor on the list of his doujin friends (e.g. the folks who made Uwabami Breakers).
-After graduation in 1999, ZUN had been living in Taito's Ebina dormitory. His dormitory address was actually written as contact info in the game manuals (http://thwiki.cc/%E6%96%87%E4%BB%B6:%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E7%BA%A2%E9%AD%94%E4%B9%A1cover2.jpg).
-He moved out of the dormitory at the end of 2004 (source: ZUN's diary (http://thwiki.cc/%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E4%B9%A6%E8%B0%B1/%E5%86%85%E5%AE%B93#2004.E5.B9.B412.E6.9C.8811.E6.97.A5)).
冬コミ前だ というのに引っ越しももうすぐ行います。しばらく不通になってしまうかも。
The Winter Comiket is near, however I will have to move soon. You might be unable be to contact me for a while.
It's quite reasonable to assume that ant and fang were his roommates/colleagues from the Taito dormitory, who helped playtest EoSD, PCB and IN. It'd be natural for them to never show up again afterwards.
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Oh, I guess it was just a huge coincidence then.
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"Eldritch" then? It literally means "of the realm of the elves", in the old-school sense of horrifying monsters that eat children.
Please god no. This isn't Lovecraft.
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Why is Reimu
such a bit-er, i mean, ruder than she normally is in Wild and Horned Hermit? I mean, shes not normally the nicest person in canon ether, but in WaHH shes almost a outright con artist, who fails at anything having to do with her Shrine Duties, and is forced to come up with greedy scams to get followers to her shrine, and treats everyone coldly (But then again that's standard behavior for Reimu).
...O.K., maybe I'm over-exaggerating her personalty in WaHH a bit, sure, Reimu isn't exactly a saint in the other official manga and games ether*, but I'm pretty sure that anyone who compares Reimu in, say, Oriental Scared Place where she allows the three fairies to live on her shrine grounds
to her outright selfish and greedy actions in WaHH can see a bit of difference in characterization.
Does she just really hate Kasen and chooses to be a jerk around her just to spite her?
Or is it something else?
*After all, she does have a "shoot first, ask questions later" way of dealing with things.
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She's a shrine maiden, donations is her only source of income. And given that people don't visit her shrine (and those that do practically never donate), not a steady one. Big events are her only chance to get any serious amount, but those are few and far between. And given that she's not all that good at her job and suffers failures frequently, she has to try even harder. So she tries to grab whatever chance she can (although never to outright "scam" levels). Since it's pretty much her own SURVIVAL that depends on her success, of course her approach would be aggressive about these things.
Also, do keep in mind that the chapters come out slowly, with two months in between, and stories depicted there usually take place around the time they come out. WaHH focuses on times when she needs to act, not on idle everyday life. She's probably her usual carefree self all that time off-screen.
Well, there's also a theory that WaHH is shown from Kasen's perspective, and as chapter 5 shows she doesn't have an accurate and unbiased opinion on Reimu.
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I think "from Kasen's perspective" makes the most sense, although it's less unreliable narrator and more that Kasen notices Reimu's childish side more, while other stories like Sangetsusei and FS see her more as an adult.
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OK, so this is a very stupid question but, is it canon that Maribel is in a asylum? If is canon, where is that stated?
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A "sanatorium", not in the sense of "asylum" or mental hospital, but in the sense of health resort for the recovery of long-term illness.
It's located in the mountains of Nagano, likely inspired by the real-life Fujimi Plateau Hospital (http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%AF%8C%E5%A3%AB%E8%A6%8B%E9%AB%98%E5%8E%9F%E7%97%85%E9%99%A2) in Suwa (because when you search for the relevant key words, this is the only place that comes up, and it actually played a small part in history).
It's part of the current music CD storyline in Vol. 6 and 7; I suggest you to just read them to find out what has happened.
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I think "from Kasen's perspective" makes the most sense, although it's less unreliable narrator and more that Kasen notices Reimu's childish side more, while other stories like Sangetsusei and FS see her more as an adult.
Going off of that, it might be because Wild and Horned Hermit is a series about Kasen, and Kasen's the type of girl who gets involved in Reimu's life when she feels Reimu is doing something wrong. Thus, it's logical for any event where Kasen gets involved, and thus any event that Wild and Horned Hermit is presenting to us, would be about Reimu doing something wrong. Meanwhile, on the various days where Kasen is not involved, and thus the various days that Wild and Horned Hermit is not showing us, Reimu is more well-behaved (as shown by other Touhou works where Reimu isn't doing that league of stuff that she does in WaHH)
It's kinda like how a series of stories about a bounty hunter or police officer would involve lots of criminals while not showing the aspects of the world where criminal behavior isn't involved, but that doesn't mean the entire world is all about criminals. In this case, a story about Kasen (the morality police girl) would involve lots of morality issues (Reimu's increased jerkassedness) while not showing the times Reimu isn't acting like that.
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What would happen to the gods, fairies, celestials, youkai, and other supernatural creatures if humans went extinct?
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With noone to believe in them, so would they. It might look like some don't depend on human faith (like Kappa and Tengu, having their own closed societies), but if that was the case they wouldn't have needed to leave the Outside World and enter Gensokyo.
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I imagine they'd probably just dissappear.
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I imagine they'd probably just dissappear.
I don't think that fairies would disappear because IIRC, their power doesn't come from faith, but from nature itself.
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Their power doesn't depend on faith, but the belief that "nature manifests itself as fairies" may allow their existence. Essentially it requires people to believe in the spiritual power of nature. In SoPM Kanako makes a distinction between faith, which gives gods power, and belief which lets them exist at all. Presumably the same applies to youkai and fear. Just acknowledging that these things exist is enough for them to exist, but that also means it's a necessary step.
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Not only that but many youkai need fear from humans in order to live, that's why they cant live in the outside world, if no ones believes in you then they have no reason to fear you.
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Mokou stated in her chapter in CiLR that Keine is one of the few people who understand her. That said, does the latter approve of the former fighting Kaguya (the act of which is the immortal's purpose/anchor in life) or not?
Fanon vary on this, with some works showing Keine not wanting Mokou to get hurt, to actually aiding her in battle. Canonically, the teacher doesn't want harm to befall on the phoenix (IN EX stage) and is also concerned with her health and general well-being (Inaba & Inaba), but there doesn't seem to be anything in canon which touches on this particular point. (Kindly point me to it, if there is. :) )
I can interpret Keine's care to extend only up to Mokou's domestic comfort, hence my confusion. I tend to see it as a "you can do your extreme sports all you like, but you still have to eat your vegetables" sort of thing.
Note: I understand that the immortals don't really hate each other, but it's not clear if the were-hakutaku knows that.
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If people make up their desires, can they bypass Miko's power ?
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If people make up their desires, can they bypass Miko's power ?
I think she looks into their heart, not their head, so I don't think that one could consciously fool her.
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16th century Rumia
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16th century Rumia
Is there a question in here somewhere?
Maybe you meant this for another thread.
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I can't speak for sekibanki, but I'd like to point out mine a few posts back. (Sorry, can't tell if my question went unnoticed or no one simply has an answer for it. :derp: )
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Approve? Hard to say, but in IN they say that Kaguya apparently sends "assassins" to kill Mokou semi-regularly (not that this is ever even hinted at again), and given Keine's defense in Extra, she had already figured out you were sent by Kaguya for Mokou. Mokou also claims to be annoyed at this, however, her later descriptions of their fights as enjoyment (and her readiness to fight) betrays that claim. Considering Mokou and Kaguya killing each other is a mutual thing, and frequent, it makes little sense for Keine to be waiting for you to defend Mokou in the first place. This could just due to Keine befriending Mokou and wanting to protect humans, or it could just be a light inconsistency.
Keine understanding Mokou's tendency to fight with Kaguya and neglect her own body, but not really approving of it (not that she can do anything about it), is the interpretation that makes the most sense to me.
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Is there a question in here somewhere?
Maybe you meant this for another thread.
Well, there's no "silly stuff that doesn't justify a new thread" topic.
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Well, there's no "silly stuff that doesn't justify a new thread" topic.
That's not a great reason to post irrelevant stuff in whatever thread you please. Otherwise it comes across as kinda disrespectful and disruptive.
For example, you could post your image in the "You know you're addicted to Touhou when..." thread. Try and post content in threads that actually fit said content, thanks.
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Well, there's no "silly stuff that doesn't justify a new thread" topic.
If I can't figure out where something goes I usually pm some in a higher position, once you spend some time around the different threads you'll know what goes where.
OK I'm done on the off topicness, sorry!
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Approve? Hard to say, but in IN they say that Kaguya apparently sends "assassins" to kill Mokou semi-regularly (not that this is ever even hinted at again), and given Keine's defense in Extra, she had already figured out you were sent by Kaguya for Mokou. Mokou also claims to be annoyed at this, however, her later descriptions of their fights as enjoyment (and her readiness to fight) betrays that claim. Considering Mokou and Kaguya killing each other is a mutual thing, and frequent, it makes little sense for Keine to be waiting for you to defend Mokou in the first place. This could just due to Keine befriending Mokou and wanting to protect humans, or it could just be a light inconsistency.
Keine understanding Mokou's tendency to fight with Kaguya and neglect her own body, but not really approving of it (not that she can do anything about it), is the interpretation that makes the most sense to me.
As we all know, the pre-battle dialogue in Touhou is purposefully exaggerated by the characters a la pro-wrestling. This could mean that neither Mokou nor Keine were really that serious in their dialogues. After all, why should Keine worry that much about you hurting Mokou? Mokou's friggin' immortal, yet Keine's dialogue is as if her friend is depending on her to protect her. Likewise, Mokou's dialogue with Mokou being pissed at Kaguya is also possibly just Mokou acting in order to hype up the drama.
Kinda like how in Pro-wrestling the wrestlers will pretend it's all personal and everything is on the line when... it's not.
The assassin thing was actually shown again in Inaba, for what it's worth (which isn't much). Kaguya sends a whole bunch of assassins after Mokou in one strip. Reisen, Reisen, Reisen, and Reisen!
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As we all know, the pre-battle dialogue in Touhou is purposefully exaggerated by the characters a la pro-wrestling
Well yeah, but my point was that it doesn't make too much sense for Keine to pop in to fight regardless, if Mokou is in no danger.
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Even if she's immortal, that doesn't mean Mokou can't feel pain. And she's pretty much the only boss in the series that actually explodes after each spellcard, implying that she's actually dying (whether that's through her overexerting herself or the danmaku rules suddenly not applying to that fight is a decision left to the reader). While Mokou herself has a macho enough mentality to be perfectly fine with enduring pain, that doesn't mean her friends are willing to sit back and watch her suffer.
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Well yeah, but my point was that it doesn't make too much sense for Keine to pop in to fight regardless, if Mokou is in no danger.
The point possibly was to have a fun spell card battle. :P Hypothetically, Keine and Mokou saw the heroes and decided to play along, being all super melodramatic and everything because being melodramatic is what you're supposed to be with spell card duels, because it's fun.
That's how I saw it, anyways. Regardless of whether or not Mokou would actually be hurt, Keine's dialogue was insanely dramatic to the point where I found it hard to imagine she was actually being serious.
I could be wrong, of course. It's not like it's ever been explicitly stated, but them being melodramatic just for fun seems to jive with how they're later presented. And how every Touhou game is presented, honestly. Almost all Touhou characters are always insanely melodramatic in-game in the pre-battle dialogue but then are amazingly chill in the endings, post-battle dialogue, and other story materials. If you don't stop to realize that it's all pro-wrestling posturing, you'd think the characters in-game pre-battle and the characters in the endings, post-battle, and other materials are completely separate characters, sometimes, and this goes for tons of Touhou characters, not just Mokou and Keine.
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Why do people want Mima back? She brought much of her personality to Marisa.
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My impression is that it's more of a running gag in the fandom than an actual desire, but she does have a few diehard fans. Those same people would probably prefer to bring everything from PC-98 era back though, although maybe not with the same fervor.
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Well yeah, but my point was that it doesn't make too much sense for Keine to pop in to fight regardless, if Mokou is in no danger.
Maybe Keine fears that the player that the player will defeat Mokou and eat her guts, creating another Hourai person. Obviously this would not be a risk when Mokou fights Kaguya so Keine wouldn't intervene in those situations.
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Why do people want Mima back? She brought much of her personality to Marisa.
My personal observation: perhaps partially due to its roots in serial novel and TV series fandom, the Western fan culture tend to prefer have a concrete web of character relationships they can work on. They value having a universe full of characters that have known relationships to each other. Mima is a protagonist's mentor, this is a big deal, and her absence is an important lack. So while "bring Mima back" is just a running joke, it does reflect what Western fans expect from a story.
By comparison, most Japanese Touhou fans have a much more fragmented, "I pick only things I like" view of Touhou. They care only about what they choose to care, and are content with spinning tales using only these materials. This is a reflection of Japanese culture where a person lives two highly separate lives, inhabiting both a public space full of rules and manners, and a private world consisting of their own dreams and hobbies.
Of course, this is just my two cents as an outside observer to both cultures. Please criticize if you think I got anything wrong.
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I think part of it is people being more familiar with descriptions of her in doujins than with her in-game appearances. If all you have to go on about Mima is "Evil spirit wizard who mentored Marisa" then it's easy to construct a mental image of her that's far more awesome and relevant than the actual thing. Touhou Soccer didn't help with this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkDT-OlkYTI).
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About the "Bring back Mima" problem:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like most of the fans are more interested in Windows-game related stuffs more than the old PC-98 titles. Eventually, they will have very little information about her, or they will have no information at all (Not everyone who are fan of Touhou can overcome the lazyness and read the wiki, as far as I know)
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Speaking with a couple of her fans and observing some of her appearances in doujin materials can help. Here's a general run-down of the resulting impression I've gotten from others regarding why they are fans and said doujin stuff: The Marisa mentorship angle ties her to one of their other favorite characters in an influential manner. She also feels brash and confident like Marisa but in a more mature, refined way. She can be versatile in terms of characterization as she can play a hero or villain yet will still be in character due to her self-interest. Also she feels like an influential figure like Yukari or Mamizou but doesn't feel overpowered enough to always succeed.
It's just how these fans are perceiving the character, but people have said enough about their interpretation of the character to give her some distinction and interesting personality traits.
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About the "Bring back Mima" problem:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like most of the fans are more interested in Windows-game related stuffs more than the old PC-98 titles. Eventually, they will have very little information about her, or they will have no information at all (Not everyone who are fan of Touhou can overcome the lazyness and read the wiki, as far as I know)
Is that really a problem though? It assumes that there's a value in knowing who she is, when as far as the later stories are concerned PC-98 is basically non-canon. Knowing who she is would probably be more confusing than helpful when it comes to understanding Marisa, etc.
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I don't even think it's possible to accurately say with any verifiable citation that there is one reason why a small subset of fans harp on Mima. Some are trolling, some are joking, some are jumping on the bandwagon, some are genuinely interested in the character, and so on. It's not really a question with one answer.
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Is that really a problem though? It assumes that there's a value in knowing who she is, when as far as the later stories are concerned PC-98 is basically non-canon.
This is my problem with it all. This little misunderstanding is why I want a return of Mima. It's almost unfair to leave her out as I do quite like her as a character. It is almost a yearning to learn more about the characters that people seem to have forgotten about and I see Mima as a step in doing that. Only if Mima came back then would people possibly consider that the PC-98 games are canon. I know that most will still be in denial (in fact, things have been purposefully re-translated because people are so adamant in their belief that the pc-98 series is non-canon) but it's just that I want this interesting character to be brought into the light that she deserves. This wish is the same towards the PC-98 series characters who certain people deliberately forget.
I know much of her personality is in Marisa but isn't it interesting to have the character who you get most of that personality from?
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This is my problem with it all. This little misunderstanding is why I want a return of Mima. It's almost unfair to leave her out as I do quite like her as a character. It is almost a yearning to learn more about the characters that people seem to have forgotten about and I see Mima as a step in doing that. Only if Mima came back then would people possibly consider that the PC-98 games are canon. I know that most will still be in denial (in fact, things have been purposefully re-translated because people are so adamant in their belief that the pc-98 series is non-canon) but it's just that I want this interesting character to be brought into the light that she deserves. This wish is the same towards the PC-98 series characters who certain people deliberately forget.
I know much of her personality is in Marisa but isn't it interesting to have the character who you get most of that personality from?
I don't see how it's a misunderstanding. Nothing from before EoSD has shown up again except for very specific things that ZUN brought back in slightly different forms that better suit the new setting (since it was originally quite vague how things tied together; he was clearly much more interested in worldbuilding starting in EoSD). Even irrelevant side characters like Rumia get their own entries in PMiSS, so why the heck would ZUN leave out his formerly major players if not to distance the series from them. He brought back Marisa, Reimu, Alice, and Yuuka, implying that he actually likes those characters and had plans to fit them in the setting. He did not bring back Meira or Shingyoku. Honestly, it sounds to me like you're in denial. Whether or not it's actually canon is completely irrelevant because none of the things that happened then matter or are ever mentioned by anyone.
Also Reimu's name is spelled differently in PC-98.
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If I recall Zun had mentioned to a question about PC 98 characters and said something along the lines of how they are there but no focus is on them.
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If I recall Zun had mentioned to a question about PC 98 characters and said something along the lines of how they are there but no focus is on them.
They also don't appear as background cameos or get casually referenced in dialog, like other characters do. They might as well not exist, for how little they influence the setting. Frankly Villager A from FS is probably more relevant to know than Mima.
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You have to consider that almost nobody in Japan played (or will ever be able to play) the PC-98 games. ZUN can't just randomly throw references to PC-98 characters and incidents because only a very small number of people would get it. For a character to show up in a book they would first have to be reintroduced to the series as if they were new characters, otherwise people will only get confused.
Just because a character isn't influencing current events that doesn't mean they can't be given a proper backstory and be made relevant in the future.
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Only if Mima came back then would people possibly consider that the PC-98 games are canon.
Well, looks like you'd have to argue with ZUN (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Canon#Canonicity_and_comparison_between_windows_and_PC-98) about that one. As he's made perfectly clear in interviews, emails and panel discussions, PC-98 might as well be regarded as a separate, derivative work; that the characters are pretty much "elsewhere".
Having said that, there is literally nothing stopping anyone from thoroughly enjoying PC-98: from playing the games, talking about the characters, doing fanart or fanfics on them, cooking up theories and so forth. PC-98 is great stuff on its own, and there's really no need to try to shoehorn it into Touhou canon.
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You have to take the years these statements were made in into account. They're all from before 2005, back then info on the PC-98 games was even more scarce than it is today, and the Touhou Wiki in english didn't exist (to this day the english wiki is often used as a source of PC-98 info by the japanese fanbase). These statements were also made in response to fan questions. If he gave them a straight answer, that would encourage people to make even more questions related to the PC-98 games, which would only make his public message board confusing to people new to the series (in other words, pretty much everyone back then).
In more recent interviews, it's more heavily implied that the PC-98 games are still canon to an extent, and that when there's contradictions the more recent games and manga take priority. I don't think he has told anyone to treat the PC-98 games like derivative works in nearly 10 years.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/o3ckjcc
http://rukasarisari.tumblr.com/post/62472030377/zun-q-a-at-anime-weekend-atlanta-sept-27-2013
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/ZUN%27s_AWA_Q%26A_Panel
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I dunno, I think the AWA thing in particular is ZUN just being diplomatic about this whole thing. My main point is he seems to have little to no interest in dredging up all this stuff again, and besides which, PC-98 does not need some Canon Stamp Of Approval to be enjoyed, so who cares?
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ZUN still likes making shout outs and uncofirming references to PC-98 from time to time though. I think the most recent (and blatant) was UFO. Wow, time passes fast.
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ZUN still likes making shout outs and uncofirming references to PC-98 from time to time though.
Sure, but that's almost unavoidable, and a few of these "references" seem like people squinting hard enough to see PC-98 in them (as was the case with Ten Desires). UFO, though, did have a pretty blatant reference (if you're talking about that one spellcard, the presence of Makai?). His coyness and evasiveness speaks volumes on its own though, I think.
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Zun is really careful on how is games are made in terms of story. If he were to include mima in one it would have to have a reason for her being there, he can't just shoehorn her in, a character that's been present in all 5 pc98 games and that has a strong relationship to the two main characters needs a reason to be there. Yuukas appearance didn't matter much when she would appear because she follows her own agenda and is not that involved with either Reimu or Marisa.
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Hello everyone, i need help with learning Japanese... specifically knowing where to apply Hiragana and Katakana ( for GST2 and GST3 as well as East Chenblem ). I would love to translate video games yet i don't understand Japanese... please help. Thanks in advance.
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Since we have a "PC-98 fan" specimen, what can we find to actually answer the original question?
[...] as I do quite like her as a character.
That's the only relevant reason. All that canon talk is just an excuse.
I mean, nobody here argues that PC-98 is suddenly non-canon. It is. It's just that it's not necessary 100% canon either. Later stuff is more relevant and all that. Actually, it's a mistake to think that it's a problem unique to PC-98 games. EoSD was made before Great Hakurei Border idea was around and it shows in the prologue, for example.
Only if Mima came back then would people possibly consider that the PC-98 games are canon.
This is a fallacy, things don't work that way. It would be like when Yuuka appeared in PoFV - that single character would probably get a boost in popularity, but PC-98 stuff wouldn't suddenly become significantly more known or relevant. Those who know PC-98 games would be happy, but those who don't would still only know the newer depiction. (Of course, it's not like I know how it actually happened with Yuuka, but it's easy to make a guess given the current state of things.)
(in fact, things have been purposefully re-translated because people are so adamant in their belief that the pc-98 series is non-canon)
Wow. Conspiracy theories much?
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To me, it seems that (at least partially) the whole "Mima's coming back for sure this time, I feel it in my bones!" thing that goes on every single time a new Touhou game is announced is sort of tongue-in-cheek, like it's the Touhou equivalent of the "Half-Life 3 Confirmed!" joke or something.
(Not sure if this is entirely relevant...)
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Just because a character isn't influencing current events that doesn't mean they can't be given a proper backstory and be made relevant in the future.
I agree with this entirely. But, I think it means the opposite of what you want it to mean: reintroducing old characters at this point would be much closer to introducing a new character than reviving interest in an old one. There would be a new character design with a new power (since the old characters didn't have "powers" as such), new spellcards (since the old characters didn't have spellcards as such), and probably a new theme song (although to be fair characters like Yuyuko and Yukari also have multiple themes). You wouldn't have Mima being made relevant, you'd have an entirely new Mima with probably only subtle jokes to her previous relevance. Like, Reimu might say "you look familiar... I hope you don't cause as much trouble as last time" and that would be that. It would be, for all practical purposes, an entirely new character. You might as well just pretend that Tojiko is Mima in disguise: what difference does it make?
Also, the fact that you feel she needs to be given a proper backstory says pretty much everything about how well they fit into the modern setting.
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To me, it seems that (at least partially) the whole "Mima's coming back for sure this time, I feel it in my bones!" thing that goes on every single time a new Touhou game is announced is sort of tongue-in-cheek, like it's the Touhou equivalent of the "Half-Life 3 Confirmed!" joke or something.
(Not sure if this is entirely relevant...)
I think this is true like 90% of the time - it's become a running joke, really. There was even a former staffer here who once declared that he was done with Touhou until ZUN brought Mima back. This wasn't serious (not entirely anyway) but was said more to poke fun at the inflated sense of entitlement you can find in a small subset of fans.
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Would Mokou's or Kaguya's child inherit their immortal genes?
Seems like an amusing question, plus it would make sense
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Personally i don't think they would. If i remember correct, the Hourai Elixir "remove the concept of death" from the drinker. HOW it does so is not clear but i don't think it's a mere genetic change.
They can resurrect even after being ERASED FROM HISTORY, i don't think genes can go so far :V
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Immortality from drinking Hourai Elixir is not caused by genes, but by, well, having Hourai Elixir in your body. That said, it might be possible that the elixir can go over to the child while they still carry it. I'd say it's not too likely since it's stated that eating immortal's liver specifically is what can make someone else immortal, so you can say that only liver has enough elixir concentration. Then again, the child has months of time.
...Except there's a small problem with the whole scenario. The elixir seems to work by forever keeping the drinker in the same state. This would probably heavily interfere with childbearing ability.
Amusing question, yeah.
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As with the above points, consuming the Elixir does not alter one's genes. So their child, if they get to bear one, is unlikely to inherit immortality.
On the tangential point regarding pregnancy, Alice mentioned in IN that immortality discards the body and causes the soul to be continually renewed. That said, it *might* be possible for them to become pregnant if they view themselves as such (one theory of Mokou's hair colour is that she thinks it should be grey since she's technically an old woman [1]). Lore isn't 100% clear on this though.
@Espadas: When and where did they get erased from history? Curious.
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[1] Touhou character interpretation thread on TVTropes IIRC.
N.B. Typed this on my phone, so please forgive the lack of post quotes and hyperlinking. :P
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What doujin is Black Tewi from these pages from?
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So with human faith, gods can be born, right? And with fear, youkai.
But if all humans have faith that a certain event will occur in a certain date, would that event actually occur, in Touhou logic? Events like, for instance, the end of the world or the return of the Messiah?
I came to this doubt thinking of how we could get in Gensokyo. If all humans decided to have faith that, in a certain date, Yukari Yakumo would alter our state of not knowing how to get to Gensokyo for knowing how to get to Gensokyo, if that's even possible with manipulation of borders, and then we would get there. Funny thing!
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@Espadas: When and where did they get erased from history? Curious.
They haven't been subjected to that yet (although i remember reading something exactly about this) but their immortality is absolute. Erasing them from history even before they drank the Elixir would erase their body from the actual timeline but they would be istantly restored anyway.
Their is the truest form of immortality, very rarely seen even in fictional works.
Ironically enough, at least against Mokou, you would be better off causing her a very damaging wound than outright destroy her. She needs a few days to recover from an almost-fatal wound, but if she is completely destroyed she resurrect immediately.
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I was reading about Richter scale and it got me thinking about how strong Tenshi's earthquake was. It leveled Hakurei shrine and the shrine doesn't look like specially designed against earthquakes, so I think it was between 6 and 8 on Richter scale. I'm not a seismologist and there is no earthquakes where I live, so it may not be even an accurate rough estimate.
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(Janitor's Note: I have merged 3 "here's a random question/speculation" threads with this thread in the past 10 hours. Seriously, guys, please just post them here. ^_^;; Thanks!)
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(Janitor's Note: I have merged 3 "here's a random question/speculation" threads with this thread in the past 10 hours. Seriously, guys, please just post them here. ^_^;; Thanks!)
I am sorry, I thought that my question was really more than what was described to be asked in this thread. Won't happen again.
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So basically when Mokou and Kaguya drank the Hourai Elixir they:
1- Cannot age
2- Cannot become ill
3- Become Immortal
But as soon as they have the 3rd taste ( which grants Immortality ) they also, basically seal their child's fate ( if the Immortality inherits ) because the child would't be able to develop meaning:
1- The child wouldn't be able to neither speak or walk
2- Would outright rely on their parent's to survive
All this for an eternity ( literally )
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Or if it truely works in that way their body would go back to what it was and they would never get pregnant. Outside things in their body are not originated from them so it would reverse, is my guess.
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Actually that would make sense.
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With all this talk on it, I've been pondering on immortality when I got hit by this question: if the Hourai Elixir keeps the drinker in the same state, how did the Lunarians manage to minify Kaguya for a considerable amount of time? Granted, she grew at an accelerated rate, but it still took months for her to regain her normal appearance [1]. Is there a canonical explanation or a widely accepted fan theory for this? Or is it a given, because 1) wacky Lunarian tech---with Eirin behind it, no doubt---and 2) fairytale? (Whatever the Lunarians did/used must have been quite potent.)
Also, interesting to note that, in the actual story, the Moon people had her drink from the 'medicine of immortality' [1] when they came to retrieve her.
EDIT: Fixed 'quiet' to 'quite'.
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[1] http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Kaguya-hime (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Kaguya-hime)
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I don't believe she was small in the touhou canon. In the bamboo cutter she was but that's not the same kaguya we know. Also she either gained immortality from her ability or from Eirin, please correct me if I'm wrong, I don't remember if it was mentioned how she became immortal.
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But if all humans have faith that a certain event will occur in a certain date, would that event actually occur [...]
I know this is probably too far-fetched to be true, but self-fulfilling prophecy (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-fulfilling_prophecy).
I'll just leave it at that. The rest is up to your interpretation.
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I don't believe she was small in the touhou canon. In the bamboo cutter she was but that's not the same kaguya we know. Also she either gained immortality from her ability or from Eirin, please correct me if I'm wrong, I don't remember if it was mentioned how she became immortal.
She's immortal because she drunk the Hourai Elixir, which was made by Eirin on her orders. Why, exactly, Kaguya asked Eirin to make the elixir is unknown.
And yeah, as far as we know, Touhou's Kaguya wasn't miniaturized when she was exiled from the Moon.
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She's immortal because she drunk the Hourai Elixir, which was made by Eirin on her orders. Why, exactly, Kaguya asked Eirin to make the elixir is unknown.
OK just wanted to know, I know a while back we all talked about how Eirin is immortal too but she was only able to make the elixir with the help of kaguyas ability.
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Is it okay if I remind about my question?
I was reading about Richter scale and it got me thinking about how strong Tenshi's earthquake was. It leveled Hakurei shrine and the shrine doesn't look like specially designed against earthquakes, so I think it was between 6 and 8 on Richter scale. I'm not a seismologist and there is no earthquakes where I live, so it may not be even an accurate rough estimate.
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Well its seems more like a statement than a question. It could have been anything since Tenshi uses the keystone to do it, it could have been a massive one but contained. Trying to think of it scientifically doesn't really work in Gensokyo since things like magic exists.
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I don't believe she was small in the touhou canon. In the bamboo cutter she was but that's not the same kaguya we know. Also she either gained immortality from her ability or from Eirin, please correct me if I'm wrong, I don't remember if it was mentioned how she became immortal.
She's immortal because she drunk the Hourai Elixir, which was made by Eirin on her orders. Why, exactly, Kaguya asked Eirin to make the elixir is unknown.
And yeah, as far as we know, Touhou's Kaguya wasn't miniaturized when she was exiled from the Moon.
Yeah, Kaguya's reason isn't known at all, but I found some interesting passages in their chapters in Cage in Lunatic Runagate:
"[...] I committed a minor error. That minor error was to give the Hourai Elixir, that is, the elixir of immortality and eternal youth, to Princess Kaguya." [1]
"I think it was the same when I was still in the lunar capital. I became fascinated with Earth due to my boredom [...]." [2]
There doesn't seem to be any definitive Word of ZUN on her reasoning, but if I were to make bold observations based on the above statements, I'd say that:
- Eirin didn't count on Kaguya drinking the Elixir (if she knew beforehand that the princess would, she never would have made it in the first place).
- Kaguya's decision to drink it may have been influenced by her curiosity towards Earth (how influenced she was is debatable).
However, it's still unclear if the princess premeditated this, or simply drank the Elixir on a whim. That is, we have two scenarios:
- She planned this all along, and drank the Elixir when she got hold of it.
- She never had any intent to drink it in the beginning, but as soon as Eirin gave it to her, well, you know.
(The second one draws an interesting parallel with Mokou's case: both were overcome by 'temptation', so to speak, to consume the Elixir when it was within their reach. The difference is that Mokou was tempted by the thought of immortality, whereas Kaguya's was the opposite: transient Earth life.... But that's not the point of this post. :V)
I suppose what truly happened is a mystery for the ages (well, not to ZUN).
(Now on to the actual question!)
In her chapter, Kaguya herself said that she was tiny when the bamboo cutter found her: "I remember how the old couple that found me were especially careful when they picked me up. It's only natural. I was found inside a glowing bamboo shoot in the forest, too small to be thought of as a human being [...]." [2]
At first, I thought that the thing with the Elixir and her being shrunk was a mild inconsistency on ZUN's part, in order to fit in better with the fairytale. But CiLR was released a good five years [3] after Imperishable Night, and he made a point of mentioning that, so it's highly likely to be deliberate.
On a minor note, there is a weird implication from that quote that Kaguya was aware and conscious when she was stuck in that shoot. (Lunarians, what the h-... ?) Also, I got ninja'd twice. :derp:
EDIT: Added Colticide's quote.
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[1] http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Cage_in_Lunatic_Runagate/First_Chapter
[2] http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Cage_in_Lunatic_Runagate/Second_Chapter
[3] http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Cage_in_Lunatic_Runagate
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Good observation, Kaizaki!
Kaguya's CiLR chapter stays vague on how long she was small, so maybe the "restore to original state" effect of Hourai immortality just took some time to kick in (and it didn't necessary had to be months as per Kaguya-hime legend) and the old couple came just in time before it did. Speaking of which, it makes pretty clear that she was small in size, not in age (it says she could be taken as a youkai, not as a child), so there's another difference with Kaguya-hime.
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Oh wow, good catch Kaizaki. I really need to re-read CiLR (or, well, re-read something other than the last section of the last chapter =P).
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I feel really dumb now, I've read her wiki page so many times and no where did it mention she was small. I really need to get around to reading CiLR, I'm really sorry...
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Aww, thanks. :3
Good observation, Kaizaki!
Kaguya's CiLR chapter stays vague on how long she was small, so maybe the "restore to original state" effect of Hourai immortality just took some time to kick in (and it didn't necessary had to be months as per Kaguya-hime legend) and the old couple came just in time before it did. Speaking of which, it makes pretty clear that she was small in size, not in age (it says she could be taken as a youkai, not as a child), so there's another difference with Kaguya-hime.
You make a very good point on the vagueness of the duration. As for size versus age, there are different versions of the story where Kaguya was mini, a baby, or a mini baby. I never considered other variations aside from her being found as proto-Thumbelina. Thanks for pointing me in this direction. Your explanation makes much sense.
Oh wow, good catch Kaizaki. I really need to re-read CiLR (or, well, re-read something other than the last section of the last chapter =P).
I'm somewhat in the same boat actually. Although in my case, rather than re-reading, I need to read chapters other than the 1st, 2nd, and 4th. :p (Pool party at the SDM!)
I feel really dumb now, I've read her wiki page so many times and no where did it mention she was small. I really need to get around to reading CiLR, I'm really sorry...
It's cool. :) I also checked Touhou Wiki and realised that her article doesn't mention it all.
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Re: Kaguya's motivation, a forum search for "Cage in Lunatic Runagate" turned up this intriguing topic (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16803.msg1092619.html#msg1092619) by cuc!
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Anybody else catch some possible S.T.A.L.K.E.R. references in Labyrinth of Touhou? I haven't completed the game yet, but I've noticed that there are enemies on 16F called bloodsuckers and that the music on 9F sounds very vaguely like a more chill version of the song "Against the Ionized Odds". Here are the two for comparison:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrjECcaUZUo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB6Et0aw6K0
Does anybody else notice or is it just me drawing connections that aren't there?
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I hear similarities but they still feel too different. They could have taken inspiration from it too, just me personally I feel they are very different.
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Here is another amusing question:
What if Seija succeeded in her plan for a Hierarchy Rearrange who would be the most affected? And would Seija then like to spin it back to the way it was if the others accepted ( they probably wouldn't ).
Clearly the fairies would be the most respected Youkai in all of Gensokyo. And i think we all know about a certain Gap Youkai and Shrine Maiden who would be quite... affected by it.
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Much like supernatural phenomena themselves, Touhou characters' backstories just don't hold up under close scrutiny.
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Not under real-world standards, anyway. Gensokyo's framework of possibility is a bit broader. But in Seija's case, her aim is (from her profile) "to turn Gensokyo upside-down. She wanted to smash the current, stable Gensokyo where the strong ruled the land, and change it into one where the weak had more value", which she pretty much paraphrases in DDC. The endgame is up for any number of permutations where that would work out, in terms who would be the first and the last. But trying to work that out veers right into power levels and eh.
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What kind of keyboard(s) or other instruments does ZUN use to compose the Touhou soundtrack?
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CBX-K2, SD-90, Cubase and a bunch of VSTs... You need the full package (except keyboard) if you want to get that Touhou sound, so don't even bother buying anything if you aren't willing to spend over 2000 dollars.
Note that the CBX-K2 is just a MIDI controller that can't produce sound on its own. These days keyboards with built-in sounds are generally only used for gigs and tours and certain places like small churches. Most video game music is made with VSTs and/or standalone synth modules.
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What arrange is this? (http://youtu.be/PfYpeahvrD8?t=25m26s) Thanks in advance.
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Does anyone have any info on how White names Spoiled Past's Extra is going? I've seen a bunch of posts on their blog but nothing about the game it seems. To be quite honest I just wanted to know who the culprit is already!!
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What arrange is this? (http://youtu.be/PfYpeahvrD8?t=25m26s) Thanks in advance.
Locked Girl, from the album Over the Rainbow by CROW'SCLAW.
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Locked Girl, from the album Over the Rainbow by CROW'SCLAW.
I'm amazed by you hearing ability, I could barely make out the bgm.
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Right away I recognized that I had heard the arrange before, but I wasn't too sure about the guitarist (thought it was minami at first) and had to check a few circles.
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So why is Yorihime and Toyohime so strong compared to the other characters?
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So why is Yorihime and Toyohime so strong compared to the other characters?
Can you clarify what you mean by "strong"? Bearing in mind that power level discussions are forbidden around here.
If you're just talking about their general strength, well, they were written that way would be my guess.
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So why is Yorihime and Toyohime so strong compared to the other characters?
It's not explicitly stated why they're so powerful but really, there's like, a ton of possible reasons when you think about it.
They're Lunarians. Just like how a bear is physically stronger than a deer.
They're old.
They trained a lot of their life. They've spent a lot of their lives getting stronger because being powerful is a requirement for their JOB. (They've been members of Lunarian's defense corps for millenia, IIRC, and its leaders for a few years too)
They had Eirin as a teacher.
Toyohime gained her own powers when she had an epiphany while learning from Eirin.
Yorihime is backed by a lot of experience with channelling the power of the gods (millenia of experience compared to say, Reimu. Or the majority of beings in existance. Again, they're old).
Toyohime is armed with powerful Lunarian technology (te fan), of which Perfect Memento explicitly points out their weapons far exceed earth's.
etc etc etc
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I think/ am pretty sure in that book Yukari fought Toyohime in the Bambo Forest of the Lost and Toyohime said that " if i use this fan, i can wipe out this intire forest easily " or something similar.
I think that Yukari along with a lot of other youkai invaded the moon once and they were obliterated by the moon's technology.
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Because the moon is better.
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Is there a succinct version of religion in Touhou, namely the quarrel between Byakuren and Miko (I don't understand Buddhism vs. Taoism at all).
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Their quarrel is that Miko considers buddhism a tool that's useful for controlling the masses and nothing more. Byakuren takes issue with that.
But that's pretty much it. There was never any "religious war" brewing in the setting or anything.
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Reimu did fear that there would a war because of Seiga, who as we all know is EVIL and hates Buddhism. (I think)
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I don't think Seiga hates Buddhism. She's the one who suggested introducing it to Japan after all (if only as a political tool). I don't think she cares much either way, she's just incredibly self-centered.
No one in this series hates Buddhism, or Taoism, or Shintoism. There's no religious war, there's just people with their own interests.
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What would happen under the spell card rules is somebody refused a challenge?
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I would assume refusing a challenge would be like refusing a fight, basically surrendering. That, or you just can't refuse.
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Well, it's both a method of play and a method of conflict resolution. It might depend on context for what a "refusal" would really be, but somebody offering a challenge and you refusing it isn't a surrender in and of itself; you just don't want to. In terms of conflict resolution though, you can't really refuse, because to do so would mean that you're trying to avoid conflict resolution. In this case, you'd have to duel or just let the other party do what they want.
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What is the best place to buy Touhou games from?
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Akiba-Hobby is popular right now, but we also have a good fellow in this very forum running a courier/proxy service:
https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,566.0.html
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Half-joking question, but:
Is there an, ahem, good reason for Kyouko's and Mamizou's names, and Seija's head tilt or it is just coincidence? I'm talking about Madoka Magica. Note that for Mamizou's name the katakana is the same, but Kyouko's changes 1 kanji.
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I have a question!
Out of all characters, why did ZUN chose Marisa to be playable in Touhou 4??
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While he's quite aware of it, no evidence has shown ZUN taking any inspiration from Madoka Magica.
Kyouko's whole name is a play on 幽谷響 "reveberation in deep, tranquil valley", a fancy way of writing her species name "yamabiko" in kanji. (BTW the wiki writer of her entry got the meaning of 幽 here wrong).
Mamizou's name has "zou", a common suffix for male given names that feels old-fashioned now, attached to "mami", a folkloric trickster animal said to be similar to tanuki but smaller, and has appeared in the WaHH official manga.
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Re: Marisa as a second playable character, he seems to have already been developing the idea when making PoDD.
While it's difficult to tell if the role the earlier, red-headed Marisa plays in SoEW's bad endings (she "couched" Reimu in all of them) indicates any future plans, PoDD already depicts Reimu and Marisa as friendly rivals who see each other as peers. It's not a leap from here to being the other playable character.
BTW, according to SoEW's documentation, PoDD was originally planned to be a sidescrolling shooter titled "Touhou Mujikan" (Eastern Mansion of Dream Time). I won't be surprised if Marisa was planned to be a second PC in this one.
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That's pretty interesting, never knew there were intentions on making a side scroller.
Anyway, I figure its because she's a stage 5 boss. Zun seems to like making stage 5 bosses playable.
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Akiba-Hobby is popular right now, but we also have a good fellow in this very forum running a courier/proxy service:
https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,566.0.html
I want something in English and simple.
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http://ec.akbh.jp/language/en/currency/USD
also have you tried reading that thread
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I want something in English and simple.
Life isn't simple and definitely not in English for every one. I have to deal with this obscure language called: Dutch on daily basis. Mind you, I wish things were simple as well.
That said: We're not your slaves, your highness. You asked for directions, we gave you proper ones. If you don't want to comply, then that is your problem. Asking something from Forza is as easy as life can get, but I guess like Bigode commented, you didn't take the time to read.
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I met someone who thinks Flandre may be able to kill Mokou and Kaguya, because her ability is to erase the existence of things completely. I told him/her that she simply destroys things, not erase things completely, so she still can't kill those two. Who's right?
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I met someone who thinks Flandre may be able to kill Mokou and Kaguya, because her ability is to erase the existence of things completely. I told him/her that she destroys things, not erase things completely, so she still can't kill those two. Who's right?
She can't erase something from existence, the only one who has something close would be Keine. She would outright kill them, but they would come back afterwards like in IN.
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She can't erase something from existence, the only one who has something close would be Keine. She would outright kill them, but they would come back afterwards like in IN.
Thanks!
Seriously, it's annoying having to deal with people who think Touhou characters are more powerful than they should be...
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Thanks!
Seriously, it's annoying having to deal with people who think Touhou characters are more powerful than they should be...
Then there's the ones that think fanon is canon.
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She can't erase something from existence, the only one who has something close would be Keine. She would outright kill them, but they would come back afterwards like in IN.
Keine can't really erase anyone from existence or even close to it. It seems fairly clear that Yukari was able to see the village while Reimu was not. But Reimu does mention that there should be a village here.
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Keine can't really erase anyone from existence or even close to it. It seems fairly clear that Yukari was able to see the village while Reimu was not. But Reimu does mention that there should be a village here.
Her human form can hide things, but her EX form can create history. She could create a history where someone wasn't in, that won't kill them but their history is changed/gone. (Isn't that what she did in IN Extra?) Hence why I said she has something close.
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I summarized Keine's ability in this post (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14800.msg976780.html#msg976780). I can get more detailed if needed because it's largely based on what ZUN meant by "history" and it isn't super obvious. In any case, she couldn't wipe someone from existence without killing them through some other means and then covering it up by later recording something else. Removing or rewriting their history (of when they're still around) when people already know what happened doesn't work.
Anyways, the bit about Flandre is totally wrong, yeah. It's a fairly straightforward destructive ability, and is described in BAiJR and PMiSS. She can magically find a point of "tension" in an object, target it from afar, and break it; destroying the object. That's all. Obviously Kaguya and Mokou would die, but the Hourai Elixir is far above physical damage.
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Okay, so that person claims that Flandre's ability doesn't actually make things explode, but that "the explosion is only a side effect of the destruction of something's very being." S/he says that if it were him/her, s/he'd imagine that her targets disintegrate instead.
As far as I'm concerned, Flandre only used her ability in canon once to destroy a meteorite, which exploded, so is that really good enough to conclude that her targets really do explode?
Thanks in advance!
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Well, in her EoSD profile, it's said that when she attacks humans, she tends to blown them away without leaving behind even a spot of blood, which could mean either that she uses her ability and the end result is her prey pretty much vanishing, or she just uses overwhelming vampire strength which ends up with the human evaporating.
Still, considering that the meteor that she destroys doesn't just vanish, it's likely that the results of her ability is just the target blowing up, yeah.
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"the destruction of something's very being."
They're the one that has to substantiate this. Saying that it doesn't make things exactly "explode" might be considered correct-ish since it's about breaking the target's "eye" (a magical point of "tension") and what actually happens to it is completely ambiguous. Regardless, how the target is destroyed isn't relevant to what they're claiming; they can explode, disintegrate, burn up, or whatever, and it's still just physical damage. You cannot kill people of Hourai by destroying their bodies. They need to support making that rather large leap to something beyond the physical (and magical, really), and if they really had a good argument for that they would have given it from the beginning. What convinced them that this was the case in the first place?
If anything, the one instance of a meteor being destroyed and having the pieces rain down, immediately shuts down the claim that it destroys the object's "being", whatever that actually means.
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They're the one that has to substantiate this. Saying that it doesn't make things exactly "explode" might be considered correct-ish since it's about breaking the target's "eye" (a magical point of "tension") and what actually happens to it is completely ambiguous. Regardless, how the target is destroyed isn't relevant to what they're claiming; they can explode, disintegrate, burn up, or whatever, and it's still just physical damage. You cannot kill people of Hourai by destroying their bodies. They need to support making that rather large leap to something beyond the physical (and magical, really), and if they really had a good argument for that they would have given it from the beginning. What convinced them that this was the case in the first place?
If anything, the one instance of a meteor being destroyed and having the pieces rain down, immediately shuts down the claim that it destroys the object's "being", whatever that actually means.
Probably confusing it with a similar ability from Tsukihime/Kara no Kyoukai. In which targeting the magical weak points specifically bypasses immortality.
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I've actually never thought of that similarity, but even if that was exactly Flandre's power and we start appealing to TYPE-MOON universes, Mystic Eyes of Death Perception also have limitations, including e.g. not being able to "kill" things that have no concept of death, which happens to be precisely how people of Hourai are described :derp:
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I've actually never thought of that similarity, but even if that was exactly Flandre's power and we start appealing to TYPE-MOON universes, Mystic Eyes of Death Perception also have limitations, including e.g. not being able to "kill" things that have no concept of death, which happens to be precisely how people of Hourai are described :derp:
The same thing was also pointed out in the TYPE-MOON universe regarding the Types that cannot be killed by the eyes. But can be killed by conceptual weapons like the Black Barrel which invokes the concept of death to the target, basically giving the "death" back to them.
Unless there's something like that around, the Hourai immortals are as deadless as can be. Locking/banishing them up is the only way if you want them to stop messing around.
Probably confusing it with a similar ability from Tsukihime/Kara no Kyoukai. In which targeting the magical weak points specifically bypasses immortality.
Even the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception doesn't always erase the person (like *poof*) or target when they're killed. A simple way to describe it is that when it kills something, the target loses it's "identity" and go die their logical end. Like for example, Shiki from Tsukihime once "killed" a corridor, and what happened was that it crumbled down and become just a bunch of boulders. It's still rock, but definitely not a corridor anymore, and they certainly didn't disintegrate. For a human example, the target turned to dusts, like how a human body returns to dust after death. So it's definitely not erasing existence like deleting them completely, but more like when you erase a writing. The words are gone, but there are dirt remains.
At times, I wish these kind of more detailed explanation of the girls' abilities are put into the wiki to avoid such misunderstandings.
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http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Flandre_Scarlet#Abilities ?
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http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Flandre_Scarlet#Abilities ?
Yes, and yet people still misinterpreted it. Perhaps the little bit about it only affecting physical objects(perhaps also magical?) and not erasing things from existence will make for less misunderstanding.
Honestly, the kinds of stuff we talked about here, theories regarding their story and ability, why not just put them there?
Just noticed that, unlike most of the other characters, Flan got some special section(treatment) with all the mysteries, theories, and generally more elaborate explanation for the other part, like the ability section you've shown me.
Also the whole thing about a Hourai Immortal having no concept of death and its explanation will surely come in handy if it's put into the description of Mokou's ability. If it's the matter of it being not stated in canon, a theory section can always be made.
Because from what I've noticed, it only went as far as Imperishable Night casts. Maybe because they have more lore? Maybe so.
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Speculations don't really belong on a wiki; at least not on the main character pages alongside the actual information. That's about it. Maybe I could retouch the Ability section but stating/explaining what's known is about all you can reasonably do. I still don't even know how the dude even got "erases things from existence" out of Flandre's ability.
Speaking about the Flandre Theory section, I actually intended to dismantle that (or at least heavily modify it) and forgot about it. I put my objections in the talk page, which were that speculation shouldn't be on the main page, that the section makes it seem as though there's equal evidence for and against being locked up (there isn't), and it ignores the burden of proof of the "locked" claim, while by default nobody should assume she is locked up anyways. It's a bad section.
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I need analysis from a professional on the subject "professional" meaning someone who knows the basics of music:
In general, 2hu music fits mostly on what music genre? (it's obvious that some songs are from different genres to others, please clarify with examples)
Optional: "genre" deals mostly with instruments used or with composition (ie. time, pitch, melody, etc.)?
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Is there a Touhou "Let it Go" with Cirno/Letty/ maybe Mai? With the enormous size of the Touhou fanbase, someone probably animated "Let it Go" with one of the (see in Subject) mentioned ice-themed characters?
If so, I'd like to see that :)
(I am more or less expecting there to be something like that...)
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In general, 2hu music fits mostly on what music genre? (it's obvious that some songs are from different genres to others, please clarify with examples)
Optional: "genre" deals mostly with instruments used or with composition (ie. time, pitch, melody, etc.)?
Try jazz fusion, though imo vgm is basically a genre unto itself.
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Whats up with Gensokyo's dating system? Its weird. (Its like X day of Y month of Z year or something)
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Whats up with Gensokyo's dating system? Its weird. (Its like X day of Y month of Z year or something)
You can find an explination here. http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Gensokyo_Timeline (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Gensokyo_Timeline)
I believe it's the Old style Japanese used for Months but was discarded.
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Almost everything in Gensokyo is deliberately old-fashioned. Like, they don't use meters or liters to measure stuff, they use the old names of the months, etc.
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Whats up with Gensokyo's dating system? Its weird. (Its like X day of Y month of Z year or something)
If you are talking about the "dates" on tengu newspapers, in addition to knowing about the youkai lunar calendar (preferably, after you've learnt about the real Japanese lunisolar calendar), also note that it is highly likely those are not real dates, but their issue numbers.
Drake and me had a in-depth discussion about it here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8344.msg842797.html#msg842797).
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Does anyone know if there is any connection between the Japanese Kasha (what orin is) and the Hindu Rakshasa. They are both a type of Cat-Demon with similar sounding names from asian folklore.
Wikipedia tells me that Kasha means fire chariot and Rakshasa comes from "Rakshama!" (Sanskrit for "protect me!") so the names are likely not etymologically linked.
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Does anyone know if there is any connection between the Japanese Kasha (what orin is) and the Hindu Rakshasa. They are both a type of Cat-Demon with similar sounding names from asian folklore.
Wikipedia tells me that Kasha means fire chariot and Rakshasa comes from "Rakshama!" (Sanskrit for "protect me!") so the names are likely not etymologically linked.
They have no etymological connection.
The word "rakshasa" is absorbed into the Japanese language through the medium of Chinese translations of Buddhist scriptures. Middle Chinese (as in, the Chinese language of middle ages) transliterated "rakshasa" as 羅刹, which, according to online sources (http://www.eastling.org/tdfweb/midage.aspx) is very roughly pronounced la tshet. This becomes rasetu in Japanese, which is pronounced "rasetsu" in modern Japanese.
In short, the Japanese equivalent of the word "rakshasa" is "rasetsu".
Meanwhile, the word 火車 "kasha" itself means "wheel of fire" in Japanese. It originated as a torture device in Buddhist hell, which I don't think needs elaborating. In later Japanese imagination, it had come to refer to the demonic torturers of hell, and eventually became merged with the legends about necromantic cats. Thus, "kasha" became the name of a corpse-stealing cat youkai.
Orin is a demonic torturer of hell, as well as a necromantic cat who steals corpses. She's an amalgation of all that folklore history.
Trivia: you may know that Orin carries a wheelbarrow because of a pun: wheelbarrows are called 猫車 "cat carts" in Japanese. Online sources say, this is because wheelbarrows are more agile, and can pass through narrow spaces, just like cats.
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Meanwhile, the word 火車 "kasha" itself means "wheel of fire" in Japanese. It originated as a torture device in Buddhist hell, which I don't think needs elaborating. In later Japanese imagination, it had come to refer to the demonic torturers of hell, and eventually became merged with the legends about necromantic cats. Thus, "kasha" became the name of a corpse-stealing cat youkai.
I'm suddenly reminded of the demon Buer, I've seen in Caslevania is being a lion at times and others a wheel of fire. While the two are not related at all I wonder if there is some kind of inspiration between the legends.
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I'm suddenly reminded of the demon Buer, I've seen in Caslevania is being a lion at times and others a wheel of fire. While the two are not related at all I wonder if there is some kind of inspiration between the legends.
There's no real legend or mythology behind Buer, he's just one of the demons from The Lesser Key of Solomon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesser_Key_of_Solomon). It's Occultism, which is alchemists deciding that everything would be cooler if spirits existed. It's basically fiction.
Now that I think about it, alchemy was the original chuunibyou, if you know what that is.
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There's no real legend or mythology behind Buer, he's just one of the demons from The Lesser Key of Solomon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesser_Key_of_Solomon). It's Occultism, which is alchemists deciding that everything would be cooler if spirits existed. It's basically fiction.
Now that I think about it, alchemy was the original chuunibyou, if you know what that is.
If it's what the urban dictionary has on chuunibyou then yes I do now. Well that sucks, the whole Solomon things sounds really cool at least.
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Is there a Touhou "Let it Go" with Cirno/Letty/ maybe Mai? With the enormous size of the Touhou fanbase, someone probably animated "Let it Go" with one of the (see in Subject) mentioned ice-themed characters?
If so, I'd like to see that :)
(I am more or less expecting there to be something like that...)
I'm not exactly sure, but I think this comes fairly close.
(http://i.imgur.com/Nx7rOrz.jpg)
(Translation)
Cirno: Let it go! Let it go!
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the Japanese equivalent of the word "rakshasa" is "rasetsu".
Meanwhile, the word 火車 "kasha" itself means "wheel of fire" in Japanese. It originated as a torture device in Buddhist hell, which I don't think needs elaborating. In later Japanese imagination, it had come to refer to the demonic torturers of hell, and eventually became merged with the legends about necromantic cats. Thus, "kasha" became the name of a corpse-stealing cat youkai.
Orin is a demonic torturer of hell, as well as a necromantic cat who steals corpses. She's an amalgation of all that folklore history.
Thanks for the reply. I had heard that Kasha steal corpses and bring the souls directly to hell, bypassing the Enma, but not that they tortured people. Is there anything else that might be synonymous with Kasha? The chant to keep Kasha away from funerals also targets Baku, a totally different, benevolent, nightmare-eating monster, I was briefly confused thinking that those two were the same, but I've concluded that they are not.
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Thanks for the reply. I had heard that Kasha steal corpses and bring the souls directly to hell, bypassing the Enma, but not that they tortured people. Is there anything else that might be synonymous with Kasha? The chant to keep Kasha away from funerals also targets Baku, a totally different, benevolent, nightmare-eating monster, I was briefly confused thinking that those two were the same, but I've concluded that they are not.
These are fascinating things I've never heard of!
I only know about the most obvious thing: both kasha and nekomata are part of the Japanese belief of necromantic cats.
Oh, and Touhou Motoneta Wiki says (http://www.toho-motoneta.net/index.php?%A4%AA%CE%D5) the corpses stolen by kasha are the corpses of sinners. That seems to be a remnant of its identity as infernal torturer, which the wiki doesn't mention. On the other hand, it brings up two examples in classic literature of infernal torturers driving burning carts (as you can see, in Japanese, "wheel" and "wheeled vehicle" are the same kanji 車), who has come to the mortal realm to deliver a sinner to hell.
On another note, the ox cart (a symbol of aristocratic life) on fire is indeed a Japanese motif for hell.
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Is there a Touhou "Let it Go" with Cirno/Letty/ maybe Mai? With the enormous size of the Touhou fanbase, someone probably animated "Let it Go" with one of the (see in Subject) mentioned ice-themed characters?
If so, I'd like to see that :)
(I am more or less expecting there to be something like that...)
I'm not exactly sure, but I think this comes fairly close.
(http://i.imgur.com/Nx7rOrz.jpg)
(Translation)
Cirno: Let it go! Let it go!
Well, obviously there is one who made it with MMD, though it's not very long.
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm23730799
There's another one, but this one is more like "Let it all burn (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm24414812)"
Another parody http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm23391182
Lastly, it's not "Let it go" but, this is my favorite. Like the one from before, they sang it themselves.
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm24246451
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1*) Who did the Japanese fan voice actress for those particular Touhou fan Fantasy Kaleidoscope animated series (ep 1-3)?
From what I heard all the voices are done by a single voice actress.
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w337ij3wtXA (ep 1)
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap5910bTGLA (ep 2)
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEff2L_ry5k (ep 3)
2) Also is this the same voice actress who did the '4th ep' of Touhou fan Fantasy Kaleidoscope or is it voices by another person?
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l8wZ2zJzSM (full 'ep 4' video)
- http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm25295477 (ep 4 part 1) - same person as YT above
- http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm25297330 (ep 4 part 2)
The reason I ask this is that I wanted to know if the voices of '4th ep' of that series was done by the same person as the 3 previous one (see above 1*) since it seems at the very least the voices were slightly different when compare the the 3 previous one...
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w337ij3wtXA (ep 1)
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap5910bTGLA (ep 2)
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEff2L_ry5k (ep 3)
Here is the same '4th ep' but done by another voice actress.... - http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm25317909
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On average, how long does it take for ZUN to produce one Touhou game?
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It clearly says "Aizawa Pika, aka Pi" (相沢ぴか) in the second and third video, and Nico video descriptions. The fourth there was by (∩∩).
Pi-san dubbed the Spring Snow Incident too. http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm15360167
You're making it sound like they were "the" ones to do it, as if only one person has dubbed the videos. There are a bunch of different dubs from many different people.
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It clearly says "Aizawa Pika, aka Pi" (相沢ぴか) in the second and third video, and Nico video descriptions. The fourth there was by (∩∩).
Pi-san dubbed the Spring Snow Incident too. http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm15360167
You're making it sound like they were "the" ones to do it, as if only one person has dubbed the videos. There are a bunch of different dubs from many different people.
Thanks you for the clarification.
I wasn't really sure if whether the 4th ep was dubbed by Pi or by another person (∩∩). In fact I wasn't really sure if Aizawa Pika, aka Pi was the same person since almost every characters is in Kanji at NicoNico.
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On average, how long does it take for ZUN to produce one Touhou game?
He has a standard answer to that question: four months.
It should be noted that these four months are purely for implementation. He would spend the rest of the year reading and thinking to plan out the vision for the next game. In professional video game development terminology, these 8 months can be considered his preproduction phase.
Obviously, this four month development period only became a staple after he had quitted his job to work on Touhou full time; the games he made at Taito took longer than that.
His spinoff games took shorter time and less effort to make.
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Is it true that ZUN once said Touhou and Kantai Collection can go well together? As in a crossover between those two is something he thinks is a good idea?
Thanks in advance!
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He mentions it here and there. He doesn't really care for it himself and has casually mocked the gameplay (what gameplay amirite), but he more or less has to keep up with it to stay informed on trends in doujin culture. The tweet you're talking about is probably
https://twitter.com/korindo/status/382370568604897281
Which more or less says "but seriously kancolle and touhou are highly compatible so maybe i should be proactive and make a collaboration work"
This is immediately after a tweet where he's surprised that there's conflict between fandoms and jokes that he'll make a battleship character next and do a collab.
don't take the tweet too seriously though it's largely a joke
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Is it true that ZUN once said Touhou and Kantai Collection can go well together? As in a crossover between those two is something he thinks is a good idea?
Short answer:
He said that on twitter, with a sarcastic "w" ("lol") at the end. It was entirely in jest.
Long answer (because this was well-documented):
During and after 2013's 大⑨州東方祭 "Dai Kyushu Touhou Sai" (held on Sep 22), some circles at the convention came under fire for selling KanColle doujinshi at a Touhou convention. While it's common for circles to sell non-Touhou doujinshi on the side, it was said that the only new works they brought to the con were for KanColle, and all Touhou doujinshi they had were old ones.
As the quarrel continued on twitter, some guys jumped out to call themselves the "Touhou Police", claiming they would purge all artists that betrayed Touhou for KanColle.
On Sep 24 (the day before he left for Atlanta), ZUN seemed to have vaguely heard of there being some argument about Touhou and KanColle. He tweeted:
ZUN: What? I heard there's some sort of antagonism between Touhou and KanColle? Well, I may just up and do a collaboration, make some warship character lol
ZUN: Not really, this will get in the way with my work with Kadokawa (laugh)
ZUN: |-`).｡oO( But I think KanColle goes well with Touhou. You should be cooperative in your fan works~
Eternal Touhou: I think some might get the wrong idea that Touhou is indoctrinating otaku into the right wing through proselytizing Shintoism. What do you think about it?
ZUN: I wouldn't reject them even if they have misunderstandings. That's what Touhou is: true freedom is a cruel thing. [Referring to the Touhou ideal: freedom for creation and interpretation.]
ZUN: All in all, the most important thing is, don't quarrel with other fandoms. You can quarrel inside the Touhou fandom however you want.
ZUN: Speaking of warships, the only warship I'm familiar with is Spaceship Gomera [aka "Bio-Ship Paladin", a 1990 side-scrolling shooter by UPL].
Note: Eternal Touhou is the most obnoxious troll in the Japanese twitter Touhou fandom, and might have come up with the "Touhou Police" idea. They would later become a KanColle fan, change their twitter name to "Eternal KanKan", and keep on being a troll.
As you can see, ZUN just wanted to say "you should be nice to other fandoms", but he both displayed no real understanding of the problem, and chose to speak in the most sardonic way he can think of. His friends were immediately like "hey, you shouldn't say that", but that's too late. ZUN had given people the excuse they needed to escalate a small quarrel into a fandom slugfest.
Thankfully, soon they would see the enthusiasm of American Touhou fans displayed at Atlanta, and say, "what have we done?"
At least we get this Touhou Police T-shirt out of it:
(http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad70/cucuct/Touhou/Touhou_Police_zpsb201b0d4.jpg)
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Eternal Touhou: I think some might get the wrong idea that Touhou is indoctrinating otaku into the right wing through proselytizing Shintoism.
Obnoxious troll or not, this made me literally laugh out loud.
Actually the whole story of this fracas is pretty amusing to behold. Glad it wrapped up with Shock And AWA.
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I'm trying to find one rather old and silly Touhou video again, but not having much luck with that. Basically this is what happens:
Ran asks Chen to go out and do some errand for her or whatever (can't remember very well), but then Reimu gets into Chen's way and begins bullying her. Chen fires some pathetic danmaku at Reimu in an attempt to defend herself, but fails miserably and begins crying. Luckily, team 9 then comes in order to save her.
Only Rumia, Wriggle and Mystia appears at first, and begin shooting danmaku at Reimu together. Despite having some trouble, Reimu manages to hold herself against the three at once. But then a very muscular Cirno parodying Toguro Otouto appears and says something like "DON'T FORGET ABOUT ME, THE STRONGEST". She then fires unavoidable danmaku at Reimu, defeating her for once and saving the day.
Does someone know of it and where I can see it again?
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Do we have clues on what Gensokyo's population size is? Both humans and youkai, or just humans.
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We know that the youkai population is more numerous than the human one, but we have no solid numbers for either.
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I'm trying to find one rather old and silly Touhou video again, but not having much luck with that. Basically this is what happens:
Ran asks Chen to go out and do some errand for her or whatever (can't remember very well), but then Reimu gets into Chen's way and begins bullying her. Chen fires some pathetic danmaku at Reimu in an attempt to defend herself, but fails miserably and begins crying. Luckily, team 9 then comes in order to save her.
Only Rumia, Wriggle and Mystia appears at first, and begin shooting danmaku at Reimu together. Despite having some trouble, Reimu manages to hold herself against the three at once. But then a very muscular Cirno parodying Toguro Otouto appears and says something like "DON'T FORGET ABOUT ME, THE STRONGEST". She then fires unavoidable danmaku at Reimu, defeating her for once and saving the day.
Does someone know of it and where I can see it again?
That's 'Chen's day' (http://youtube.com/watch?v=JJA4jy4shD0), one of Suikama's classic danmakufu videos.
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That's 'Chen's day' (http://youtube.com/watch?v=JJA4jy4shD0), one of Suikama's classic danmakufu videos.
What has my curiosity done to me, a strange mix of emotions are slowly choking the life out of me after that. Well that was an expirence!
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That's 'Chen's day' (http://youtube.com/watch?v=JJA4jy4shD0), one of Suikama's classic danmakufu videos.
Thank you! Why am I not surprised it's something from Suikama :V
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Over at Wikipedia some people were editing the Team Shanghai Alice article to say that ZUN might not be the only member of TSA but he is just the "only widely known member". Now I know this is not true and ZUN actually said he alone is the entirety of Team Shanghai Alice. What I want is a definite source to prove it.
I remember reading here on MotK that many many years ago ZUN was interviewed by a Swedish magazine called Player1, and some kind soul translated the interview into English and it ended up on the Touhou Wiki (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Interview_in_Swedish_Player1_Magazine). Due to Wikipedia's stringent requirements about sources, I'm wondering if anyone knows the exact issue and page that the interview comes from, and if there's a scan of it somewhere?
Failing that, if ZUN said something to the same effect elsewhere that would be great too.
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Rukaroa is the one who posted the translated interview, have you tried contacting them through social media? All I remember is that it was a 2006 issue.
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Over at Wikipedia some people were editing the Team Shanghai Alice article to say that ZUN might not be the only member of TSA but he is just the "only widely known member". Now I know this is not true and ZUN actually said he alone is the entirety of Team Shanghai Alice. What I want is a definite source to prove it.
I remember reading here on MotK that many many years ago ZUN was interviewed by a Swedish magazine called Player1, and some kind soul translated the interview into English and it ended up on the Touhou Wiki (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Interview_in_Swedish_Player1_Magazine). Due to Wikipedia's stringent requirements about sources, I'm wondering if anyone knows the exact issue and page that the interview comes from, and if there's a scan of it somewhere?
Failing that, if ZUN said something to the same effect elsewhere that would be great too.
1. How about this? http://shmuplations.com/doujin/
This is a translation of an article in Shooting Gameside #1, by a respected member of the shmup community. The Shooting Gameside magazine itself is available as a digital download on its official site: http://gameside.jp/sgs/sgs1/
2. I had looked into the Player1 magazine, and pinned down the issue of the interview to 2006 March (or around that time). Couldn't find any scans though.
IIRC, Rukaroa is only the one who reposted to the wiki, not the source.
3. I have a project in my to-do list that should provide a definite source, but my to-do list is, uh, moving very slowly.
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Thanks, this will do for now :)
Though the guy came back saying the copyright handler Fumio Oyamada is also a member. Is there anything to prove or disprove this?
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Thanks, this will do for now :)
Though the guy came back saying the copyright handler Fumio Oyamada is also a member. Is there anything to prove or disprove this?
Fumio Oyamada is a member of Kourindou Inc., but apparently, so are several other people. The company Kourindou Inc. is not one and the same as the doujin circle Team Shanghai Alice.
For one example, ZUN is always extremely secretive about the games he's making (by himself). In 2013, he said he tells absolutely no one else about the games, including his wife.
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The front page of shrinemaiden.org hasn't been updated in a long while
Pardon my ignorance but what happened? =3=
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Is there anyone here who can help me with a Japanese-English translation? It's nothing too big but I sort of need a particular set of Terms of Use translated so I can determine if I can use the assets in my project.
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I've spent a good hour trying to find what I thought would be a third fan-animation besides Fantasy Kaleidoscope and A Summer Day's Dream. I remember watching a couple of seconds of it on youtube some months ago and I think it was based on the IN's plot? The only thing I'm sure of is that the whole quality of the animation was abysmal, and the video itself had a terrible quality. I'm starting to think that I've imagined all of this since I can't find any information about this but a friend of mine seems to remember something similar so I have to ask here if someone could tell me if this animation has ever existed or not. :\
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I've spent a good hour trying to find what I thought would be a third fan-animation besides Fantasy Kaleidoscope and A Summer Day's Dream. I remember watching a couple of seconds of it on youtube some months ago and I think it was based on the IN's plot? The only thing I'm sure of is that the whole quality of the animation was abysmal, and the video itself had a terrible quality. I'm starting to think that I've imagined all of this since I can't find any information about this but a friend of mine seems to remember something similar so I have to ask here if someone could tell me if this animation has ever existed or not. :\
You're looking for Touhou Project Side Story ~ Memory of Stars (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS9kNLOP_h0). Although perhaps forgetting it existed is the better choice.
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You're looking for Touhou Project Side Story ~ Memory of Stars (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS9kNLOP_h0). Although perhaps forgetting it existed is the better choice.
Aaaaaah thank you! Actually I was looking for it in order to watch it with my friend, we're expecting extreme shittiness and I hope this video will deliver ahaha.
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I don't know if this belongs here or deserves a separate thread, but I've been wondering if kids like Touhou.
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Touhou is not typically available through kid-friendly channels. Unless the kid's parents are otaku, I guess.
At what age would you draw the line for "kid"?
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Kids love Touhou. (http://i.imgur.com/oJSzm6bl.jpg)
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Using the opportunity to throw this link here: "How popular is Touhou in Japan?"
http://www.reddit.com/r/touhou/comments/2n44y2/how_popular_is_touhou_in_japan/
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I need analysis from a professional on the subject "professional" meaning someone who knows the basics of music:
In general, 2hu music fits mostly on what music genre? (it's obvious that some songs are from different genres to others, please clarify with examples)
Optional: "genre" deals mostly with instruments used or with composition (ie. time, pitch, melody, etc.)?
ZUN's music can't fit into a single genre because genres can target only narrow cases.
If you hear a good selection of Touhou music, then you'll see a wide range of emotions conveyed: from the elegance of Yuyuko's theme, to the sadness of SA Stage 2 and Parsee, to the upbeat-ness of Orin or Ichirin's theme, to the loneliness brought by UFO Stage 6. That's what we'd lose if all the music could be straitjacketed into one genre.
Nonetheless, we can make some generalizations. Almost all Touhou music is in a minor key; most of the sections in a major one are ambiguously major (that being said, the line between the two are not always clear-cut). In fact, the commonly used chords seem to be i, III, IV, V, VI, and VII. And I think you know about the ZUNpets.
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I is only me or Daiyousei is the only boss that teleports (or blinks, if ya want) around?
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Lily White does too. Other than that, some characters (Sakuya, Murasa) have spellcards where they teleport.
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Kids love Touhou. (http://i.imgur.com/oJSzm6bl.jpg)
Is that your daughter, Tengukami?
Well, if we are to compare popularity, then Touhou isn't as popular over most of commercial stuffs(well, that's the point of them, right?), be it cult classics like Doraemon, Astro Boy, Cowboy Bebob(perhaps), Dragon Ball, One Piece and even recent ones.
However, in my opinion, rather than popularity, it's better for a franchise to have a "healthy" fanbase. Not to say that we don't have our share of "creeps" and "parasites", but the crazy people are crazy in a good way.
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I just realized it... you are letting your daughter play a 4:3 game requiring pixel-precise movement stretched to 16:9? You are a monster :V
Lily White does too. Other than that, some characters (Sakuya, Murasa) have spellcards where they teleport.
Also Koakuma.
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My cousin, actually, and yes, I am a monster. In my defense this was before I knew how to fix aspect ratio in Nvidia settings.
Also, I believe there's a PC-98 boss who does the teleport thing that Murasa does; maybe even a couple of them.
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The golden twin bosses or boss in LLS and MS teleports around.
In the fighting games, Koishi has the move Conditioned Teleport, but it doesn't look like she's actually teleporting.
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Reimu teleports too!
And does Yukari *walking* in her gaps count as teleportation too ?
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Also, I believe there's a PC-98 boss who does the teleport thing that Murasa does; maybe even a couple of them.
Mugetsu does. In addition, Gengetsu kind of distorts as she moves about but since she's still visible during the whole thing I wouldn't call that teleporting.
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A question, not centered exactly on Touhou, but on japanese people:
When people name their attacks (Calling Your Attacks as seen on TVTropes, which i won't to link here) in english rendered in katakana, how are japanese expected to react to it? For an example for english speakers ,"hydrokinesis" may sound cool, but it is greek for "water movement/movement of water", but as greek isn't a widely spoken language, it sounds exotic. English is a bit more widely known in Japan than greek is in North America/Australia/The UK.
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A question, not centered exactly on Touhou, but on japanese people:
When people name their attacks (Calling Your Attacks as seen on TVTropes, which i won't to link here) in english rendered in katakana, how are japanese expected to react to it? For an example for english speakers ,"hydrokinesis" may sound cool, but it is greek for "water movement/movement of water", but as greek isn't a widely spoken language, it sounds exotic. English is a bit more widely known in Japan than greek is in North America/Australia/The UK.
A lot of those attacks come with translations in the form of furigana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furigana).
Also, because the kanji represent meaning while the furigana represent sound, one can combine the two to create puns or indicate meanings of foreign words. One might write the kanji for "blue", but use katakana to write the pronunciation of the English word "blue"; this may be done, for example, in Japanese subtitles on foreign films, where it can help associate the written Japanese with the sounds actually being spoken by the actors, or it may be used in a translation of a work of fiction to enable the translator to preserve the original sound of a proper name (such as "Firebolt" in the Harry Potter series) in furigana, while simultaneously indicating its meaning with kanji.
Sometimes the "translation" is something completely different - two examples that come to mind are Bleach's "Cero" being written with the kanji for "Hollow Flash", and Nanoha's "Eclipse" being written with the kanji for "Mage Killer". Reisen has a gimmick like this going on with most of her Spell Cards. Though this is more of an extension of a general Japanese thing where you write one word and gloss it as another.
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To add, ZUN does this all the time throughout his writing in general, but Spell Card names are one thing he doesn't actually use explanatory furigana/furikanji for, besides Reisen.
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To add, ZUN does this all the time throughout his writing in general, but Spell Card names are one thing he doesn't actually use explanatory furigana/furikanji for, besides Reisen.
For instance there's a chapter of Cage in Lunatic Runagate where Yukari talks about debugging shikigami and checking her computer's orders, with furigana going every which way.
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Maybe i expressed myself wrong.
See that thing in fantasy books/video games/series where someone casts an spell with some heretic words? Eg. Firaja/Megidoladyne.
Let's say that we transliterate Kanako's 「風神様の神徳」("Virtue of Wind God") as "Fūjinsamanoshintoku". It is an attack name on another language. An ancient, long-lost language that nobody speaks. Might as well keysmash to give my own attacks a similar name.
Now from the inverse perspective. To a japanese without knowledge of english,「マウンテン・オブ・フェイス」 ("Mountain of Faith"/"Maunten Obu feisu" if you want your overly literal, kana-per-kana romaji) is a random keysmash, as it's all just foreign language that might as well be fictional.
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Reimu teleports too!
And does Yukari *walking* in her gaps count as teleportation too ?
Other than Reimu and Yukari, there are two bosses who have exhibited screen edge-warping: Satori (12.5, the one shyness-themed card) and Seiga (14.3, the wall-busting card). Though in Satori's case, her cards are possibly created by hypnotism or other psychological effects similar to Koishi's disappearancing; in Seiga's case, it's a demonstration of her wall-walking magic.
To a japanese without knowledge of english,「マウンテン・オブ・フェイス」 ("Mountain of Faith"/"Maunten Obu feisu" if you want your overly literal, kana-per-kana romaji) is a random keysmash, as it's all just foreign language that might as well be fictional.
I actually get your question the first time, but I was busy working during the day.
Due to the USA's post-WW2 hegemony, Japanese society has been using and borrowing English words liberally for decades. In the process, they have also created many wasei-eigo - English expressions that are Japanese neologisms, such as "one-man bus", which is a self-service ticketing bus (with only the driver), as opposed to a bus with a ticket-seller and a driver.
To a modern Japanese, English words in katakana are not as alien as Japanese transliterations are to Westerners. They can recognize many words like オブ "of".
It should also be noted that ZUN is very careful about which characters are powerful, extraordinary or learned, and designed their use of language accordingly. Ordinary characters tend to use simple words, both Japanese and English, in their spell cards - see Kagerou for an example. A somewhat well-educated Japanese shouldn't have much problem understanding these words, since they are at the level often seen in other Japanese games. This is not the case with powerful or knowledgeable characters, who can use highly difficult words, again both in Japanese and English. Koishi's "Fidgety Snatcher" and "Conditioned Teleport" do read like word salad to most Japanese.
Also of note is that in the case of English card names, especially the "simple" characters, this creates a problem for the translator. Since part of the point of a spell card name like 満月「フルムーンロア」 is the juxtaposition of the kanji word 満月 mangetsu "full moon" against the English word "Full Moon", which both sounds and looks very different. Rendering both parts the same in Full Moon "Full Moon Roar" creates a redundancy, and diminishes the aesthetic intent of the name.
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Addenum... I think they see it as the neutral, default foreign language, since English words pervade their society, and the postwar generations have been trying to learn it since elementary school. In today's Japanese culture, other European languages are tinged with color - French with haute culture, Italian with art, and German with science and military. English is white bread "foreign" in comparison.
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Addenum... I think they see it as the neutral, default foreign language, since English words pervade their society, and the postwar generations have been trying to learn it since elementary school. In today's Japanese culture, other European languages are tinged with color - French with haute culture, Italian with art, and German with science and military. English is white bread "foreign" in comparison.
To add to this, in one of the FS omake comics Remilia writes a letter to Kosuzu in English. To the Japanese artist this probably felt perfectly natural because Remilia is an unspecified foreigner so of course she speaks English, while over here in the English-speaking fandom we've been arguing for years over whether she's Italian or whatever.For instance there's a chapter of Cage in Lunatic Runagate where Yukari talks about debugging shikigami and checking her computer's orders, with furigana going every which way.
He also routinely does this thing in the comics where characters refer to each other with (vaguely rude) pronouns, but have their names written in furigana on the side so you know who they're talking about.
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If someone could clarify some parts of Touhou wiki - Kaguya for me, please. It would be greatly helpful if someone could clarify some elements below, thanks for your time in advance.
Backstory - In the end, humans and youkai succeeded in dispelling the fake moon, and Gensokyo was already sealed by the Great Hakurei Barrier', so the Lunarians wouldn't have been able to enter Gensokyo to begin with. Kaguya, Eirin and Reisen were enjoying their peaceful life in Gensokyo.
- 1) In what ways does the 'Great Hakurei Barrier' effectively prevent the Lunariens from entering exactly?
It was shown that even regular moon rabbit could come inside Gensokyo (by using old method -the lunar veil) so what prevent any Lunariens from doing the same or by using other ways if they really want to come in.
- 2) Did Eirin successfully manage to carry her plan of sealing the passage b/w the Moon and Earth before she was defeated? If so, why is it that even regular moon rabbit can enter Gensokyo? If not, just say NO.
The reason I'm asking this is that I read somewhere in this particular forum that she indeed manage to successfully manage to carry her plan...
After being defeated, Kaguya unleashed her powers of eternity in an all-out bid to break the spell of the imperishable night cast by the heroines.
In the last spell card "End of Imperishable Night" which used this ability, it destroyed Reimu Hakurei and the others' spell of eternity, and forcibly called for dawn.
Kaguya Houraisan REVIVES - This half-finished eternal night that you have made...
With my spell to manipulate eternity, I'll tear it all away.
The dawn shall be upon us soon.
How's that?
With this, your spell of eternal night shall be broken, and the dawn shall come!
- 3) I am a bit confuse at the end if IN as for what exactly did Kaguya did at the end?
- It sound as if it's others (Reimu, Marsia, Yuyuko, Remelia, etc...) were the one that place a spell on the night for it to be eternal and that Kuguya was using her power to break their spells?
- 4) Also important, who is exactly Chang'e in the Touhou universe...another moon/Lunar princess or was it another human who somehow manage to enter the Lunar Capital?
- And was it stated when did she drink/or administrate the Hourai Elixir or even more importantly how are they(Lunariens?) even able to continually create the Hourai Elixir for Chang'e without Kaguya power?
- 5) How could human like Marisa, Reimu even manage to keep up with others let say powerful beings in the even of a 'real fight' not 'danmaku battle' (since the latter doesn't seems to greatly rely on strength...), shouldn't they in principal be greatly outclass in term of physical stats (stamina, speed, physical strength, etc...)?
Maybe they use magic/talismen that reinforce their physical stats...
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- 2) Did Eirin successfully manage to carry her plan of sealing the passage b/w the Moon and Earth before she was defeated? If so, why is it that even regular moon rabbit can enter Gensokyo? If not, just say NO.
The reason I'm asking this is that I read somewhere in this particular forum that she indeed manage to successfully manage to carry her plan...
If I understood things correctly, yes. Reisen II managed to arrive in Gensokyo, because Eirin unsealed the passage at the end of IN.
- 3) I am a bit confuse at the end if IN as for what exactly did Kaguya did at the end?
- It sound as if it's others (Reimu, Marsia, Yuyuko, Remelia, etc...) were the one that place a spell on the night for it to be eternal and that Kuguya was using her power to break their spells?
What you say is correct. As I understand it, the protagonists made the night eternal so they could resolve the incident that night. Otherwise, they would have to wait for the next full moon. It also explains why you fight Reimu/Marisa in Stage 4: she (correctly) thinks you had something to do with the never-ending night. On Kaguya's part, an eternal night of the full moon is very dangerous---even with the passage sealed---and she indeed attempted to break the spell with her power over eternity and the instantaneous ("Half Past Midnight" -> "Half Past 2" -> "Half Past 4" -> "Morning Mist", "Dawn", "Morning Star", "Rising World").
- 4) Also important, who is exactly Chang'e in the Touhou universe...another moon/Lunar princess or was it another human who somehow manage to enter the Lunar Capital?
- And was it stated when did she drink/or administrate the Hourai Elixir or even more importantly how are they(Lunariens?) even able to continually create the Hourai Elixir for Chang'e without Kaguya power?
We don't know who Chang'e is. Legends depict her as an inhabitant of Earth, or as a celestial being who descended and rose up again. That said, whether she is a Lunarian or not is anyone's guess. Chang'e does have a Lunarian name, which is unpronounceable to humans. But, as cuc said in his/her thread, it may not mean anything and that she may have been named that for convenience on the Lunarians' part.
Lore does not explicitly mention when Chang'e drank the Hourai Elixir, but Reisen II does say in CiLR Chapter 6 that the moon rabbits are/were "pounding away for thousands of years". I think it is reasonable to say that she drank the Elixir before Kaguya did (and maybe her story was what prompted the princess to ask Eirin about it, who knows). The rabbits never succeeded in making the Elixir; Reisen II mentions in the same chapter that they are trying to make it. As an aside, the understanding that Kaguya's power is needed to create the Elixir is due to a mistranslation, but whether it really is required is unknown.
- 1) In what ways does the 'Great Hakurei Barrier' effectively prevent the Lunariens from entering exactly?
It was shown that even regular moon rabbit could come inside Gensokyo (by using old method -the lunar veil) so what prevent any Lunariens from doing the same or by using other ways if they really want to come in.
I don't have an answer and would like to know too. I just want to add the following:
- Toyohime managed to get inside the Bamboo Forest of the Lost to confront Yukari.
- The Watatsukis visited Eientei.
- In the latest chapter of WaHH, Marisa mentions that when they visited the Lunar Capital, they didn't really leave Gensokyo / crossed the Border.
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- 1) In what ways does the 'Great Hakurei Barrier' effectively prevent the Lunariens from entering exactly?
To start off, it doesn't actually specify "Great Hakurei Barrier" in the original text, it just says that Gensokyo is a closed space. This seems to be added in translation (IN-era translations, oh boy), but it is indeed stated to be specifically the Barrier preventing them from entering in the Border Team ending.
Almost a hundred years after Gensokyo was sealed (i.e. before 1985), Reisen entered Gensokyo, but she didn't come straight from the Lunar Capital like Rei'sen had. She had fled before the Lunar "War", which started in 1969. This is corroborated by Toyohime mentioning she left "over 40 years ago" in CiLR (2009). Eirin also mentions a few chapters earlier that Reisen showed up "around 30 years ago". The ambiguous time gap between 1969 and 1979 suggests that she spent time in the outside world, then (as IN profiles word it) heard rumors of Gensokyo and entered it "somehow". That being said, CiLR also says she used a Lunar Veil. The difference is that Rei'sen came directly to and fro, whereas Reisen would have taken the veil to Earth, but not entered Gensokyo until later.
In IN, Eientei was built in Gensokyo long before it was sealed away. After Eirin met up with Kaguya, the emissaries slowly stopped coming. (Later in CiLR, this is explained by the Watatsuki sisters taking over and not caring about trying to get Eirin back, and then everyone else losing interest.) Once Gensokyo was sealed, the logic of "the emissaries couldn't get in even if they wanted to" is consistent, since Reisen would not have come directly into Gensokyo, but came from the Outside. So as far as IN is concerned, any emissaries couldn't get in.
As of SSiB/CiLR and on, the understanding is that going directly between Gensokyo and the Far Side of the Moon is simple because the barriers between Gensokyo and the Outside, and the Far Side and the Near Side, are similar. This is how Toyohime travels in SSiB and Inaba, it's how Rei'sen traveled, and it's how the Vampire party got to the Moon. Since in CiLR the time difference between Reisen escaping the Moon and arriving in Gensokyo is still present, I don't think that the detail of Reisen coming from the Outside was retconned. But obviously, the claim that emissaries couldn't enter Gensokyo is now retconned in a rather big way. The fact that a Lunar Veil coming down from the Moon in CiLR isn't seen as impossible by Eirin, who would have been previously told that it was impossible, further supports this being retconned.
In the ongoing canon this retcon isn't a problem at all, since the Watatsukis don't care to take Eirin, Kaguya and Reisen back, and no emissaries were ever sent. Eirin's fears were still unwarranted because while emissaries could enter Gensokyo, there hasn't been any trying for centuries. The moon rabbits saying they were coming to take Reisen back, as well as the claim that they were going to war again, was a lie in both canons.
the moon saga is complicated as fuck
- 2) Did Eirin successfully manage to carry her plan of sealing the passage b/w the Moon and Earth before she was defeated? If so, why is it that even regular moon rabbit can enter Gensokyo? If not, just say NO.
The reason I'm asking this is that I read somewhere in this particular forum that she indeed manage to successfully manage to carry her plan...
She did. You might have heard me say it because I'm pretty sure I've posted about this a number of times.
Eirin's plan was to seal away the full moon, on the night of the full moon. The boundary between the Moon and the Earth exists only at that time, so she just had to replace the moon for one night. She says as much in the dialogues that she would return the moon once day broke. Eirin's plan already succeeded, which is the whole premise of the incident. On the protag side, they just saw that the moon was fake and this was a problem, so they froze the night in order to find the perpetrators. Reimu asserts that they need to return the moon before the night ends. Since Eirin's plan was to return the moon after the night ended, Eirin had to keep the moon sealed. Even once the protags arrive at Eientei, neither side realizes this predicament. Eirin and Kaguya decide to just play with the protags until the night ends, but it never will, and so everything up to this point is just a rather comical standstill until Kaguya realizes the problem and fast-forwards the night.
Kaizaki would be incorrect here; it isn't as though Eirin was actually keeping anything out to begin with, and Eirin had planned to take down the fake once the night was over, so ending her technique didn't really do anything.
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Ack, the retcons. My bad, I stand corrected on that.
the moon saga is complicated as fuck
Yes. :V
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TBH it doesn't seem to be addressed often and it's swept under the rug really well, so it isn't surprising that people see "Lunarians are apparently able to come and go willy-willy but IN says they can't" as an actual problem since "fear of emissaries coming to get Reisen/Kaguya/Eirin" is universally seen as the prime motivator in IN's story and it doesn't really make sense if everything is taken as true, and it also doesn't really make sense to screw over IN's backstory either. It's a complicated thing and I spent far too long writing the above post, especially since pointing out Reisen's timeline and not coming directly to Gensokyo is important for IN's version to still make sense.
EDIT: Because I didn't realize this wasn't answered:
- 5) How could human like Marisa, Reimu even manage to keep up with others let say powerful beings in the even of a 'real fight' not 'danmaku battle' (since the latter doesn't seems to greatly rely on strength...), shouldn't they in principal be greatly outclass in term of physical stats (stamina, speed, physical strength, etc...)?
Maybe they use magic/talismen that reinforce their physical stats...
Simple answer: they couldn't. Youkai in general, even ones considered weak, are still physically much stronger than humans are. They pretty much have to be in order to be seen as threatening by humans, which is part of the basis of their existence. However, this is just talking about how defenseless regular humans are against a youkai attack. Humans such as Reimu and Marisa have several tools at their disposal to deal with a variety of youkai, and could probably avoid direct physical contact well enough, which is the main problem. Their magic isn't useless, and that's primarily how they fight anyways. The difference at this stage is that human bodies are just physically feeble, while youkai bodies are physically tenacious; it doesn't take much to kill a human, but to even start wounding a youkai would take a considerable amount of effort. If it was that easy to fight off youkai, the youkai exterminators of old would have actually driven them away. This is why sealing the youkai in some manner is the preferred course of action.
However, a problem lies in your definition of a "real fight". While low-level youkai might be too dumb to do anything but beat each other senseless, the fact that youkai aren't easily wounded leads to the scenario where youkai don't universally fight just by beating each other up. Youkai strengths and weaknesses and priorities are much different from humans, and in the same sense that humans are physically feeble, youkai are spiritually feeble. To a youkai, in a fight the "surrender" of an opponent is much more meaningful than the "damage". Even with oni, who have fun with challenges that are often physically-oriented and are totally biased in their favor, the victory is more important than the display of prowess itself (which is why humans cheating to "win" is offensive to oni, compared to the human's perspective of "well they clearly didn't actually win so whatever"). In this sense, you could say that in a world of youkai, spell card duels are still "real fights". A physical or magical battle of strength is still a proper fight, but it's just one kind. Playing Shogi might be another fight of completely equal weight.
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The difference at this stage is that human bodies are just physically feeble, while youkai bodies are physically tenacious; it doesn't take much to kill a human, but to even start wounding a youkai would take a considerable amount of effort. If it was that easy to fight off youkai, the youkai exterminators of old would have actually driven them away. This is why sealing the youkai in some manner is the preferred course of action.
To put this in perspective, it's implied that an average youkai would heal overnight what would be a mortal wound to a human.
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@Moon Saga: I generally don't like retcons, so there is a theory I am thinking up about this.
This seems to be added in translation (IN-era translations, oh boy), but it is indeed stated to be specifically the Barrier preventing them from entering in the Border Team ending.
So, the thing about Imperishable Night conclusion is that we are assuming the endings are canon. But what if that is the wrong assumption for this game?
What I mean is that Imperishable Night is the only game where you cannot reach Kaguya at all in the first play through.
You will always see the Final A ending regardless of your choices. So, what if say that was the canon route? I believe it is impossible to beat Imperishable Night without New Game+, where you must have beaten the game once.
This would be kind of like Chrono Trigger where when you first face Lavos, it is impossible to win and see that ending without New Game+.
This would explain some of the other things mentioned in Perfect Momento in Strict Sense. And would also explain why Eirin doesn't fear Youkai until after Cage in Lunatic Runagate, where youkai has the possibility of doing something outside of her calculations.
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@Starxsword: Do you mean to say the canon route is A, or A then B?
ZUN uses a Cinderella motif with Kaguya.
- Cinderella Cage ~ Kagome-Kagome: "The Japanese Cinderella's hidden cage is such that no matter how hard you try, you cannot force the princess out. That's the fault of the Kagome...."
- Forbidden Arcanum "Hourai Elixir": "If the public found out Kaguya's ability to make an elixir of immortality, every person of power would go after her. She would refuse all their offers, though. She's what I'd call the Anti-Cinderella."
But I don't see how her story relates to the fairytale at all, nor understand why he would call her that.
Could anyone explain the connection, please? Also, who/what is the Kagome mentioned above?
Interestingly, googling "Japanese Cinderella" brings up Chūjō-hime (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C5%ABj%C5%8D-hime), a daughter of the Fujiwara, who is unwanted by---and is target of the enmity of---her stepmother. It is said that she weaved "a mandala depicting the cosmography of the Pure Land", aided by an apparition of Amida Butsu who is known in Vajrayana for his "longevity attribute" and "magnetising red fire element", amongst other things. (Hmm, sounds familiar.... Although, I'm probably just seeing connections where there are none.)
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Yeah, thanks for bringing up the Chūjō-hime story, but it's neither very similar to Cinderella, nor likely to have a connection to the IN story. Amitabha (Amida Butsu) is simply the central figure of the Pure Land doctrine, so a mention of him is not special or notable in any way.
ZUN contrasting Kaguya with CInderella, however, is immediately understandable. Both are heroines of children's bedtime stories. The Cinderella tale is the archetypical story of women's social climbing in a patriarchy - through a miraculous marriage into a higher family. Variations of this story model have appeared everywhere throughout history. On the other hand, Kaguya-hime resolutely refused the advances of the powerful noblemen, as well as the emperor. Cinderella is about marrying into the power structure; Kaguya is about refusing to do so, because you are nobler than them.
Kagome Kagome is a notoriously difficult to interpret folk song (which you may have heard because it's often used to indicate safe passage for pedestrians at Japanese crossroads) and the chidren's game associated with it. The Stage 5 theme "Cinderella Cage ~ Kagome-Kagome" is based on the song. The word "kagome" can be interpreted to be "caged bird" or even more literally, "woman in cage"; one interpretation of the story is that the "caged bird" is a criminal awaiting execution; lyrics contains 夜明けの晩に "in the evening of the dawn", which can be connected to IN's theme of night and dawn; needless to say, the melody is itself really ominous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kagome_Kagome
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@Starxsword: Do you mean to say the canon route is A, or A then B?
Just A. B only happens after you beat the game, so I am suggesting it doesn't count. This is just another take on it, because it explains some things.
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I don't really understand the rationale behind rejecting that a few details thought up without consideration for future works were written over naturally as the setting expanded, but instead supposing that another group of information isn't canon (which throws out even more than just the "problematic" parts) and wasn't intended to be from the beginning. While consistency is super important, I don't think it's a good idea to reject the option of retcons outright and mess around with interpretations just so you can think every line ever written remains valid. I don't generally like having to consider retcons either, but only because any suggestion that some previous writing is now invalidated shouldn't be thrown around without good reason. I would be inclined to take a different approach if information in CiLR really did screw with IN's backstory, but all that happened was a couple of details changed while having the same outcomes.
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I don't really understand the rationale behind rejecting that a few details thought up without consideration for future works were written over naturally as the setting expanded, but instead supposing that another group of information isn't canon (which throws out even more than just the "problematic" parts) and wasn't intended to be from the beginning.
Well, this has been repeated. This happens in Ten Desires where the alternate endings are joke endings.
Imperishable Night's sequence is special, since it is the only game where you cannot possibly get to Final B in the first play through. This is why I consider an alternate take on it.
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All Final A endings imply that heroines tried again. It's safe to say that Final B happened as a result. Comparing that to unconnected joke endings is ludicrous.
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I will post a more thorough explanation on this line of thinking.
The first thing is, in either case, some what happens in Imperishable Night doesn't happen, probably retconned.
Let's start with Silent Sinner in Blue and Cage in Lunatic Runagate. And use barrier team as the default incident resolves, since unless stated (like the case with UFO), Reimu, in this case barrier team, would be the one solving the incidents.
In Silent Sinner in Blue, Yukari's goal was to put fear of youkai on Eientei, well mainly Eirin. Near the end of Silent Sinner in Blue, Yukari was so happy that her gamble paid off and mentions something about all the setbacks.
So, the line of thinking is why isn't Eirin afraid of youkai if barrier team solved Imperishable Night? Also, what was frustrating Yukari?
For them to be able to solve the incident would mean they exceeded Eirin's calculations, and would imply the human/youkai are stronger/smarter than Eirin expectations. But that does not seem to be so. The same way why Eirin could so confidently say the Rocket expedition team will never beat the residents of the moon. Eirin and Yukari's actions are difficult to explain if you assume barrier team was able to solve the incident.
As someone else mentioned in another forum, Reimu's response in Perfect Momento in Strict Sense is difficult to explain with that same assumption. She mentions that she solved the incident, but she doesn't know the details around the incident, why is that?
Both of these things are difficult to explain if we assume barrier team solved Imperishable Night's incident. With that and the fact that Imperishable Night cannot be beaten the first time through, I suggested an alternate idea. And that would be that none of the teams were able to solve Imperishable Night's incident. It explains Eirin's attitude and Reimu's response. It also explains Yukari's actions. That said, in either case, some details in barrier team's ending has been retconned by Silent Sinner in Blue. I am suggesting something else other than a retcon. Both end up with barrier team's ending not happening.
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So, the line of thinking is why isn't Eirin afraid of youkai if barrier team solved Imperishable Night?
Well, like I said above, Eirin pretty much won the Eternal Night Incident since her plan succeeded. Eirin had planned to bring back the moon immediately after so it was no big problem to the heroines either. Eirin still had no reason to be afraid of anyone there; her primary concern was the Moon and the battle with the heroines was play. Kaguya was even the one to tear down the heroines' magic, not the other way around. It was really a much bigger deal to Eirin to have people discover Eientei and have it come out of hiding in history, really. That was the main result of the incident.
At the end of SSiB, Yukari is just happy that she had a big plan come together, since recently she hasn't done anything fun. That's basically it, as far as I can tell.
Both Yukari and Eirin say that the vampire party couldn't beat the Lunarians (the Watatsukis specifically) because they know they couldn't. Doesn't really have much to do with IN's events, just the fact that Lunarians are OP.
As someone else mentioned in another forum, Reimu's response in Perfect Momento in Strict Sense is difficult to explain with that same assumption. She mentions that she solved the incident, but she doesn't know the details around the incident, why is that?
Oh this is funny actually. It's because to everyone else the "incident" is the "Eternal Night" incident. It's known because the night stopped, not because the moon was replaced with a fake (most weren't even aware this happened). So, the true answer would be "I caused the incident", which obviously Reimu doesn't want to admit to so she wiggles out of any conversation. Even if she explained the actual incident she'd have to say they were the perpetrators because really all most people cared about was that the night was annoyingly long.
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Oh this is funny actually. It's because to everyone else the "incident" is the "Eternal Night" incident. It's known because the night stopped, not because the moon was replaced with a fake (most weren't even aware this happened). So, the true answer would be "I caused the incident", which obviously Reimu doesn't want to admit to so she wiggles out of any conversation. Even if she explained the actual incident she'd have to say they were the perpetrators because really all most people cared about was that the night was annoyingly long.
Specifically, while the fake moon is bad for youkai for some vague reason, an eternal night is freaking terrifying to humanity because youkai flourish at night. This was basically Keine's motivation in stage 3: she's trying to protect the human village from you. From the humans' perspective, Reimu was without question the villain here. They might even call Kaguya the hero if they knew the truth.
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It's doubly funny given that if you're Magic Team or Scarlet Team, Reimu fights you to get you to stop for the very same reason.
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Question: what is the relationship between Marisa and Alice? I know they teamed with each other in IN but that's all I really know because I've never used them in IN.
What is with Cirno and the number 9? Plus I never really understood that Cirnos perfect math class video at all.
What is the TL;DR summary of UFO?
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Question: what is the relationship between Marisa and Alice? I know they teamed with each other in IN but that's all I really know because I've never used them in IN.
Here (http://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&profile=default&search=marisa+and+alice&fulltext=Search).
What is with Cirno and the number 9? Plus I never really understood that Cirnos perfect math class video at all.
Here (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Cirno#Personality).
What is the TL;DR summary of UFO?
This takes like 10 minutes to read (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Undefined_Fantastic_Object/Story).
TL;DR the Touhou wiki is your friend.
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Question: what is the relationship between Marisa and Alice? I know they teamed with each other in IN but that's all I really know because I've never used them in IN.
Let's be more constructive and point towards here (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Marisa_Kirisame#Alice_Margatroid) and here (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Alice_Margatroid#Marisa_Kirisame).
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They're neighbors. Wow, that was simple.
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I heard about Sakuya killing immortal Lunarians. Clarification, please?
Thanks in advance!
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I heard about Sakuya killing immortal Lunarians. Clarification, please?
Thanks in advance!
Someone lied to you.
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Unless, you know, it means Sakuya possibly defeating Eirin and Kaguya during Imperishable Night. Honestly, it's not that hard to pick up the context of that Lishy's post.
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Either way, she didn't kill them. Point is that the post in question was just full of misinformation and exaggeration, so there's no need to take it seriously.
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Lunarians are only immortal in the sense that they're perfectly healthy, both physically and spiritually, meaning that they never grow old or sick. They can almost certainly tank more damage than a normal human, but they're not indestructible.
Kaguya is a Lunarian, but she gained a completely different kind of immortality from drinking the Hourai Elixir. Her body can be killed, but her soul cannot, and it will restore her body to full health whenever things go too badly wrong (even if it has to create a new body from thin air).
Also, most of the time when a Touhou character acts like they're going to kill someone, they're just talking big.
For humans the physical body is the core of their being; mental/spiritual stuff is important but secondary (i.e. a human can survive depression, but not decapitation). Youkai are the opposite - their spiritual side is what defines them, and their physical bodies are secondary (albeit the exact ratio varies from species to species). Asserting your identity is to most youkai what food and water are to humans, and vice versa. Under the Spell Card rules, talking big is one of the few ways youkai have left to be youkai, so almost all of them do it. The human characters do it because... when in Rome, do as the Gensokyans do.
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Lunarians are only immortal in the sense that they're perfectly healthy, both physically and spiritually, meaning that they never grow old or sick. They can almost certainly tank more damage than a normal human, but they're not indestructible.
Just for those that don't know, this is 100% confirmed in canon. Toyohime (at least, I think it was her) explicitly thinks to herself that even Lunarians can die someday in CiLR.
Well, actually, now that I think about it, I think the wording was that the moon wasn't COMPLETELY pure (such purity like that is impossible) and thus they could theretically grow old and die too. It'd just take a ludicrous amount of time. Mweh, too lazy to look it up right now.
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I have nothing of use to add but I must say:
Also, most of the time when a Touhou character acts like they're going to kill someone, they're just talking big.
For humans the physical body is the core of their being; mental/spiritual stuff is important but secondary (i.e. a human can survive depression, but not decapitation). Youkai are the opposite - their spiritual side is what defines them, and their physical bodies are secondary (albeit the exact ratio varies from species to species). Asserting your identity is to most youkai what food and water are to humans, and vice versa. Under the Spell Card rules, talking big is one of the few ways youkai have left to be youkai, so almost all of them do it.
This is such a good summary of general youkai biology.
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Lunarians are only immortal in the sense that they're perfectly healthy, both physically and spiritually, meaning that they never grow old or sick. They can almost certainly tank more damage than a normal human, but they're not indestructible.
Kaguya is a Lunarian, but she gained a completely different kind of immortality from drinking the Hourai Elixir. Her body can be killed, but her soul cannot, and it will restore her body to full health whenever things go too badly wrong (even if it has to create a new body from thin air).
My friend suggest that there's other way to kill Hourai Immortal, he said this "If you can't destroy their physique, destroy their mental". Basically, Mind Rape them so much until their brain fried out and stop thinking altogether (just like JJBA Cars). What is the use of living body and soul if you unable to think anymore?
By this theory, Reisen is possibly the one who can truly defeat Hourai Immortals permanently.
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That's not killing them, that's debilitating them. And there's nothing saying that they wouldn't just have their minds fixed after regenerating.
At any rate, it's not something discussed in canon.
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That's not killing them, that's debilitating them. And there's nothing saying that after regenerating, they would just have their minds fixed. At any rate, it's not something discussed in canon.
Ah yes, that's what I meant. But it's still possible.
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I know that Lunarians won't die from old age, but that would mean they stop aging physically at a certain point, right?
Thanks in advance!
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Perhaps, but those sorts of specifics haven't been talked about. This turns to questions like "how does having children in Pure Lands work anyway" and so on. Things shouldn't age at all, to be clear, but obviously the Capital isn't overrun by babies (not that they pop up often).
If I were to make a guess, it would be that Lunarian appearance can be modified through magic/technology, and that the appearance of age is a conscious choice made for reasons of wabi, much like the overall design aesthetic of the Capital (and also the natural aesthetic of the Netherworld).
EDIT: Now that I think about it, although the Capital's design aesthetic is more wabi, inflicting the appearance of age is a more sabi thing, which I'm tempted to say Lunarians might go out of their way to avoid? But then again, we haven't seen any Lunarians specifically look aged, just "not children". Maybe it has nothing to do with wabi-sabi after all and it's just "this is the appearance I prefer".
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My friend suggest that there's other way to kill Hourai Immortal, he said this "If you can't destroy their physique, destroy their mental". Basically, Mind Rape them so much until their brain fried out and stop thinking altogether (just like JJBA Cars). What is the use of living body and soul if you unable to think anymore?
By this theory, Reisen is possibly the one who can truly defeat Hourai Immortals permanently.
Over the course of her long life that she goes over in CiLR, Mokou basically went from sane to insane to sane again, IIRC. (or at least depressed to psychotic killer to depressed to mellow to whatever). So while breaking her mentally might work for a few decades, eventually she'll get bored of being insane and just go sane again apparently. Or whatever.
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If you want to disable an immortal, just bury them in concrete at the bottom of the ocean. Or tie them up. This isn't complicated.
Lunarians are essentially elves. You can probably just assume that anything related to their birth rates or growth rates are essentially the same as elves.
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Over the course of her long life that she goes over in CiLR, Mokou basically went from sane to insane to sane again, IIRC. (or at least depressed to psychotic killer to depressed to mellow to whatever). So while breaking her mentally might work for a few decades, eventually she'll get bored of being insane and just go sane again apparently. Or whatever.
What I meant is to completely destroy her mental. Sane or insane, your brain still processing of your surrounding. This one is dedicated to shut down her consciousness (like Koishi) and succumb her into permanent catatonia. She's alive but unable to move or think.
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Perhaps it's alright to say that the Lunarian society is like the Pillar Men from Jojo. They make their own culture and customs. Reproduce among themselves, but not too often. The babies age like normal, but the individual age is what matters. Even if they're all really old, they'll still be treated as children by the older predecessors like Eirin.
Was there anything said about how big their population is? We know that it's a megapolis, but I don't remember that being mentioned. Or maybe the Moon Rabbits also live there?
Anyway, it's impossible to kill a Hourai, but beating them is one thing. And it's not really that complicated, like Clarste has said.
Anyone who has space manipulation like Yukari and Miko could easily banish a Hourai like Mokou(Kaguya is a different case). Basically anything you can do that doesn't inflict physical damage to immobilize, trap, or seal them is enough.
Or you can do it the hard way and outpace them in a fight until they can no longer endure the mental pain, like in IN.
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If you want to disable an immortal, just bury them in concrete at the bottom of the ocean. Or tie them up. This isn't complicated.
I'm pretty sure ZUN had accounted for that when writing IN. During those Taito years, he didn't read all those pulp novel and manga for nothing. Alice said they can move their souls anywhere they want, and reform their bodies there.
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I'm pretty sure ZUN had accounted for that when writing IN. During those Taito years, he didn't read all those pulp novel and manga for nothing. Alice said they can move their souls anywhere they want, and reform their bodies there.
Without dying first?
Though that may not be an issue if they still have a way to kill themselves when trapped.
Though where is the source? Is it Alice's dialogue in IN?
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What I meant is to completely destroy her mental. Sane or insane, your brain still processing of your surrounding. This one is dedicated to shut down her consciousness (like Koishi) and succumb her into permanent catatonia. She's alive but unable to move or think.
Mokou did succumb to apathy for hundreds of years, and for all we know it could've gone that far. If anything, living that long is likely to result in something like that for an otherwise ordinary human like her. Shutting the brain down completely, however, sounds like it's possible only by brain damage. Which is physical harm and would be healed swiftly in this case.
Also, quite amusing that you mention Koishi, since even without consciousness she's very much active. Now just imagine Mokou going on a Heart-Throbbing Adventure...
Though where is the source? Is it Alice's dialogue in IN?
Yes.
I'm actually amazed, being a Hourai immortal just lost its major perceived drawback!
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What I meant is to completely destroy her mental. Sane or insane, your brain still processing of your surrounding. This one is dedicated to shut down her consciousness (like Koishi) and succumb her into permanent catatonia. She's alive but unable to move or think.
So she'd be brain-dead? If she's brain dead, I think her dead brain would just ressurect. Because that's what dead things do under the hourai elixir. You can't just disable a Hourai immortal's body parts, and as the brain is a body part, I'm sure it's included. The elixir returns them to their previous state eventually (pretty sure this is stated in Imperishable Night dialogue, maybe when they were discussing what happens when you eat parts of Mokou)
Pretty sure the Hourai elixir immortalizes both one's body AND one's psyche/soul/mentality, too, but I forget where that is stated (could have sworn it's stated somewhere... IN's dialogue comes to mind here too)
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What I meant is to completely destroy her mental. Sane or insane, your brain still processing of your surrounding. This one is dedicated to shut down her consciousness (like Koishi) and succumb her into permanent catatonia. She's alive but unable to move or think.
On the hourai immortals, from what I understand, the body is shaped after its soul, and the hourai elixir isolates the soul and keeps it intact : no matter what happens to the body, it'll always go back to the state that matches the soul, that is the state of how the body was back at the time the hourai person became, well, a hourai person. That said, since they can remember things that happened after they became hourai whenever they resurrect (knowledge that they didn't have back around the time they became immortals), maybe their consciousness is tied to the soul rather than their brain. This might bring the issue of whether they regenerate/resurrect automatically or manually ; and whether they, outside of their bodies, can perceive time. Personally, I think "eternity" would fit hourai people better rather than "immortality", as the latter seems to focus only on the killable or unkillable part rather than the fact that they simply cannot disappear (especially since the concept of "death" gets shooed anyway).
btw, I think Mokou's boredom period in CiLR is pretty much "I am bored to death but I can't die" and is just plain old boredom (like, the kind of boredom anyone would feel if they were bored for centuries straight). Besides It's not like she is mad nowadays. Maybe she was just pissed for a very long time, if anything else.
Though that may not be an issue if they still have a way to kill themselves when trapped.
I do believe Mokou have a spellcard where she goes YOLO and blow her body up in ISC. Don't ask me how her clothes regenerates.
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Don't ask me how her clothes regenerates.
The clothes are part of her body. Duh.
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Well, she does have a lot of charms on her clothes, doesn't she? Maybe they're there for more than just fire-proofing and she applied them because she got tired of the after-ressurection nakedness effect.
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Well, she does have a lot of charms on her clothes, doesn't she? Maybe they're there for more than just fire-proofing and she applied them because she got tired of the after-ressurection nakedness effect.
Or maybe Kaguya cast her spell of eternity on their clothing, after the two of them saw each other naked too many times. Her ability seems ideal for that sort of situation.
Following the discussion regarding Hourai immortality, would this mean that the lunar veil won't affect Kaguya?
Context (taken from CiLR, Chapter 6):
The lunar veil was a mysterious robe that allowed one to fly through the skies. At the same time it made one lose their spirit when they wore it, so the wearer would have no control over themselves. [...]
This veil was made so when a Lunarian on Earth was called back to the moon, they would have no lingering attachments to Earth. [...]
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Following the discussion regarding Hourai immortality, would this mean that the lunar veil won't affect Kaguya?
That's an inspired question. I don't think there'll be a definite answer, but look forward to being corrected by another poster :)
However I can imagine many years ago, a young ZUN reading Tale of the Bamboo Cutter, saying to himself, "what if Kaguya-hime disobeyed the messengers of the moon even after putting on their robe?" Thus one of the seeds of Touhou was planted.
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Without dying first?
Though that may not be an issue if they still have a way to kill themselves when trapped.
Any scenario that just involves tying them up and leaving them be will simply kill them of hunger/thirst eventually (Mokou dies of starvation a lot since sometimes she just doesn't bother eating), in which case they'll just move their soul around and regenerate outside their prison. There really is no way of getting rid of them permanently (unless black holes can also pull in souls, I guess)
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Any scenario that just involves tying them up and leaving them be will simply kill them of hunger/thirst eventually (Mokou dies of starvation a lot since sometimes she just doesn't bother eating), in which case they'll just move their soul around and regenerate outside their prison. There really is no way of getting rid of them permanently (unless black holes can also pull in souls, I guess)
Oh yeah, forgot that little detail. Who thought it would be convenient in such a discussion?
So I suppose the good ol' banishing to another dimension, freezing them solid, or sealing them. I don't suppose dying will be an issue with those methods, since I don't think it's possible for them to move their soul and reform themselves across dimension. As far as I know though.
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What I meant is to completely destroy her mental. Sane or insane, your brain still processing of your surrounding. This one is dedicated to shut down her consciousness (like Koishi) and succumb her into permanent catatonia. She's alive but unable to move or think.
What? That's silly, Reisen can't do that, at least not to Mokou. She is, after all, the assassin Kaguya sends at Mokou and Mokou keeps beating her down. I can't imagine Kaguya sending Tewi at Mokou, Tewi isn't that stupid.
As far as I can tell the Hourai Elixir makes the soul invincible or something. As another poster points out, Alice mentions this, as she is studying souls.
So I suppose the good ol' banishing to another dimension, freezing them solid, or sealing them. I don't suppose dying will be an issue with those methods, since I don't think it's possible for them to move their soul and reform themselves across dimension. As far as I know though.
Not sure about Mokou, but according to Akyuu, Kaguya can manipulate parallel timelines.
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Contrary to popular belief, freezing people will, in fact, kill them.
Sending them to another dimension will work, I guess, but they do literally have all the time in the world to find a way to come back, so...
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- If physical weapons like (swords/guns/etc...) does not effective work against youkai in general (can't kill them 'definitively'), can a youkai beat another youkai to death definitively using the same physical weapons or bare hand since they both supernatural/fantasy beings?
Let say a human manage to kill a youkai(A) using a regular sword by cutting him/her in half, afterward the same youkai(A) regenerate.
Now another youkai(B) come and use the same sword as the previous human to kill the same youkai(A), does this time youkai(A) die definitively or not...? If not, would either one of them be able to kill the other one definitively if they fight using there bare hand (instead of the physical sword) since they both supernatural beings?
Note: No eating involve and the sword in question is just a regular sword (not enchanted nor carry any spiritual property whatsoever).
I would just like to know what you guys think may happen in such circumstance.
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I really don't think it matter who wields it, it's the method that's important. If a youkai could use sealing techniques it wouldn't be any different from a human using them, either.
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I really don't think it matter who wields it, it's the method that's important. If a youkai could use sealing techniques it wouldn't be any different from a human using them, either.
I'm not really sure if I understand fully what you trying to say... when did I refers to 'sealing techniques' here.
Are you saying that you believe that irrespectively of the medium use (spiritual/physical weapons or even fist in the case of a youkai), they (normal human/youkai) may not really be able to kill another youkai definitively if not for sealing them?
So even if 'Utsuho blast Mystia entire body' or 'Youmu cut Wriggle to tiny pieces' may bot effectively kill them for good...
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That makes it sound as though youkai are invincible. No, I'm saying that the method and the damage is what's important, not who does it. If a sword won't kill a youkai when a human cuts them up, it won't kill a youkai if another youkai cuts them up instead. All I meant with the sealing part was that if a youkai could be sealed by a human, they would also be able to be sealed by a youkai. This should just make sense.
Anyways, there could be some point when even a youkai would die from physical damage, but we don't know how much it would take to kill a youkai this way. If you cut a youkai into tiny little pieces, they might be able to survive, but we have no way of knowing what sort of physical damage could kill a youkai. It's entirely speculation.
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A friend told me that in FS, Reimu
killed an innocent person (supposedly that evil-looking demon who possessed Kosuzu), thus enraging fans, due to her breaking spell card rules which prevent killing.
Clarifications, please?
Thanks in advance!
Moderation: added spoiler marks.
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That contains a major spoiler for last month's new chapter, and while I'm not an unbiased party (being involved in the fan translation process), I think it's reasonable for everyone, including yourself, to wait until they can read the chapter by themselves, and determine by themselves what the story is saying, before discussing it.
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Sorry...
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Just going to say that what your friend thought about the chapter was definitely not the case.
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Well, he didn't say he's actually talking about that chapter. I asked him if it's really that chapter and he said it might be.
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Is there any more info on the Grassroots Youkai Network besides what very little there is in DDC? I think all I was able to get was info on some of the members, but nothing of the actual purpose or what the group does.
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There doesn't seem to be any. It sounds like something that might be elaborated on in the future, considering the oddly specific setup just to say Kagerou knew Wakasagihime.
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According to canon materials, Gensokyo became (secretly) independent from Japan during the Meiji Era, which would make it a nation on its own right.
But here's the problem: there were no indications of Gensokyo being a nation in canon, and "Gensokyian" being treated as a nationality is entirely fanon.
Like the title said: does it?
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Ah well, it did seem a bit odd how a specific group was given for those two instead of just saying they knew eachother. Something for the future then! Maybe!
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Well, my political science professors say that a nation has to have sovereignty and clear defined borders. It also has to have a defined population, the ability to enter into agreements with other nations as equals, and a single government. The best examples would be the nations that we see every day, the US, the UK, Russia, China, and Japan.
For sovereignty, I would think that Yukari oversees most of the Gensokyo, with the Celestials administering their little patch of heaven, Yuyuko in the Netherworld, the Yama at the ministry, and Satori watching over hell. Remiu would be the enforcing authority, if she's not feeling lazy that day. The barrier would work as defined borders, if magical boundaries can count. The defined population would be everyone within the barrier, so that counts. Since Gensokyo is hidden from the world at large, it can't really enter into agreements with other nations and can't be recognized by other nations as an equal. The single government is a bit trickier, with all of the factions around. There could be an argument that Yukari is the de facto lead, but I haven't seen that many instances of her taking charge outside of the first Lunar-Genso war. I could be wrong about that.
Outside of the established states that everyone recognizes, it's a bit tricky to pin down what exactly is a state without outside views. Some of the Native American tribes are recognized as sovereign states by the US government, but that's a complicated arrangement (just like everything with government). In my eyes, Gensokyo qualifies more as a nation-state, like the Vatican. It's self contained, somewhat homogenous (becoming less so due to the religious arc introducing different religions ) and stable.
I could be wrong though.
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I thought it was in part to establish that weaker youkai have their own social gatherings of sorts. Though it likely will get elaborated on eventually anyways cause ZUN tends to elaborate on nigh everything given enough time (well, except maybe that anti-youkai human movement mentioned long ago in PMiSS, I suppose).
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Well, my political science professors say that a nation has to have sovereignty and clear defined borders. It also has to have a defined population, the ability to enter into agreements with other nations as equals, and a single government. The best examples would be the nations that we see every day, the US, the UK, Russia, China, and Japan.
Gensokyo lacks the bolded quality mainly because it lacks the ability to interact with other nations to enter into agreements with them in the first place.
Then again, maybe that's not entirely true. Apparently it actually used to have political agreements and relations with the Lunarian Capital in the past, but that "ceased long ago".
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Kaguya_Houraisan (final section)
"Single government" is a bit questionable because the human village has its own government separate from the others, such as the Scarlet Devil Mansion or the Youkai mountain or the rest of the youkai (of whom Yukari could be considered de facto lead but in both the Lunar War and the Barrier construction case, she had to argue for and convince everyone to go along with it, not order them to. She'd probably end up being lead in practice through sheer manipulation but not necessarily OFFICIALLY, per say).
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I wouldn't consider Gensokyo a nation - or at least not a single one. I'd consider Yukari to be more of a protector than a sovereign - same with Reimu. Places like the netherworld aren't really inside Gensokyo - therefor they're more like their own nations. Old hell is probably also outside the realm of control that the Human Villiage is controlled by. Same with the Tengu civilisation on the mountains. At the same time places like the forest of magic are probably outside the realm of anybody's control. They're really all different nations that are kept in check by mutual agreements.
Zun hasn't really gone into the politics of Gensokyo outside of where it is relevant to the story so it's kind of hard to tell. As Gensokyo has no real government it can't really be considered a nation in my opinion. Even within my nation of nations there is a parliament of the union as well as the parliament of the country - which doesn't seem to be present in Gensokyo.
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I still think the point of the group (BAiJR btw) was to show that most humans who try to figure out some Gensokyo conspiracy have no idea what they're talking about to a comedic degree. Their entire premise is based on the assumption that the powerful youkai who do know everything about Gensokyo's history could be driven out and the humans would take over. It's made to be complete nonsense, and in the meantime they go out on expeditions to basically youkai hunt, then get killed. In more recent works it's also implied that anyone who would get close to uncovering some sort of secret would "mysteriously disappear", so I'm pretty sure that's as far as it's going to go with that secret society.
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As aListers gets to, many of the places we think of as in Gensokyo really aren't. The Netherworld, Higan, the Underground, Senkai, Makai, and Heaven aren't part of Gensokyo, just related and connected to in some manner.
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I wouldn't think Gensokyo is a nation either. Though a lot of areas listed aren't in Gensokyo.
For sovereignty, I would think that Yukari oversees most of the Gensokyo, with the Celestials administering their little patch of heaven, Yuyuko in the Netherworld, the Yama at the ministry, and Satori watching over hell. Remiu would be the enforcing authority, if she's not feeling lazy that day.
Yukari and Reimu have similar roles in this. They both take care of Gensokyo.
The Yama rules hell, including Satori's area. That is until it got discarded due to budget issues.
Satori became more or less the ruler of that area of Hell afterwards.
Saying the celestials administering their little patch of heaven seems misleading, since heaven is huge.
Yuyuko's area of governance, the Netherworld, is also really really big. Maybe size of the sun or more, the size wasn't given, just that it was larger than Hell. That said, Yuyuko was allowed to rule the Netherworld, because the Yama deemed her worthy.
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Personally, I think the question is like asking "Is Central America a nation"? It's more like a located that has groups inside of it. Now, do those groups like the human village, Eientei, and the tengu count as nations? That could be a fun question.
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Just asking for like the billionth time that OPs which are just asking a miscellaneous question get posted in the Miscellaneous Questions thread. That's what it's there for.
Agreed and merged. -Hele
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Would doublethink at the very least trip up Satori a little?
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This is a question about the workings of the wiki and fan made games, so I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask. If it's not then please help it find it's real home
First and foremost, I'm not trying to complain about the wiki. I'm fully aware that there are tons of fangames, most of which never even get completed, and I understand that the editors can't possibly keep track of them all nor do they have any reason to. With that out of the way...
On the fan-characters page, it lists several popular fan-characters (obviously) as well as several games with less popular characters. But I noticed that some games that are set up in traditional touhou style are left out. White Names Spoiled Past, the Len'En series, Luminous Dream, Mythical Mirror. There's obviously good reasons for why these games are left out (except maybe WNSP, but whatever).
So two questions. First, what is it that lets a game be put on that page? Just whichever games the editor decides to put in? This is just out of personal curiosity.
Second, are there any other traditional touhou style games (besides the ones on the page and the ones I listed) that feature all or almost all fan made characters?
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Some of those already have Game/Characters articles, so if you want to add a link to those articles under the "In Fangames" section then go ahead. These articles should be complete though; don't go adding pages with a bunch of incomplete information just for the sake of adding them to the list.
EDIT: Yeah basically there isn't any particular reason some of them are listed and some aren't, besides having complete articles for them and an editor deciding to put them in.
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Some of those already have Game/Characters articles, so if you want to add a link to those articles under the "In Fangames" section then go ahead. These articles should be complete though; don't go adding pages with a bunch of incomplete information just for the sake of adding them to the list.
It's not really important to me whether or not they are added, I was just wondering why they weren't. Since some of them seem to be fairly popular I just found it odd, and I didn't know if there was a specific reason for it. But if there's no reason then... I guess that's all there is to it.
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There's talk in the wiki's discussion main page on the wiki of people who aren't entirely in agreement that several of those characters should be there.
...I mean, cripes, Len'en isn't even really related to Touhou at all. It's not even a Touhou fangame, or has any Touhou characters or whatever else in it whatsoever. It's its own thing. Might as well start putting Kantai Collection stuff on the wiki instead going by that standard. But people are generally wary of knocking down other peoples' hard work or whatever else... it's why it took so long for people to finally speak out against Tosiaki, really. Apparently there's also the worry that there's no where else for this information to go besides wikia, and many don't want to support Wikia (...heh).
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Second, are there any other traditional touhou style games (besides the ones on the page and the ones I listed) that feature all or almost all fan made characters?
[insert shameless promotion] (http://www.bulletforge.org/u/fluffy8x/p/nightmare-of-torrential-precipitation/)
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Has any manga authors of some of the more well-known manga series out there ever drawn Touhou stuff for fun? The same goes for game and anime artists.
Curious...
Thanks in advance!
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Has any manga authors of some of the more well-known manga series out there ever drawn Touhou stuff for fun? The same goes for game and anime artists.
Curious...
Thanks in advance!
I don't know what's your idea of "well-known", so I'll just give what I think might fit this criteria :
Yamauchi Yasunobu, AKA Bomber Grape (Daily lives of high school boys ; Zai X 10)
Namori (Yuru Yuri (I guess this counts (http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=32439201)))
Morino Hon (Black Bullet (artist); made Touhou doujin works (mainly known for [Omoito])
Ushiki Yoshitaka (Dream eater Merry; made Touhou doujin works (mainly known for [Advent Cirno])
Rui Tamachi (Gokicha (started as a doujin, but since it got serialized and animated I guess it counts))
ScrewAttack people (Only one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYD1FUdB0bc), but I guess they count ? lol)
Inui Takemaru (Monster musume and a few other whose title I don't remember, apologies)
Izumi Rei (made some stuff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rei_Izumi))
Alex "oh8" Ahad (Lab Zero Games stuff, namely Skullgirls. See here (http://skullgirls.wikia.com/wiki/Alex_Ahad))
Hiroshi Misawa (here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18040.msg1165580.html#msg1165580))
Not exhaustive by any means, so look forward to another poster to give further names :)
As far as random Touhou references goes, you can just look it up in the wiki (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/References_to_Touhou)
Otherwise, you can look up the "Popular Artists Draw Other Copyrights" pool in Danbooru (WARNING : NSFW site) and try your chance by searching Touhou stuff there and looking up the artist's name.
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I mean manga artists who published their works on weekly Shounen magazines and such.
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Might wanna start by Googling their names + 東方.
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-Buriki
Better known as the illustrator of the Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai and the Denpa Onna to Seishun Otoko light novels.
Draws quite a lot of Touhou Music CD covers and arts.
-Kaishaku
A two-member mangaka circle, most famous for their Kannazuki no Miko creation.
-Ishida Akira
Mangaka for Canaan, Fate(comic), Oninagi and Maoyuu Maou Yuusha among other things.
-tosh
A former H-artist, now is the illustrator of Shokugeki no Soma
I don't know why you asked especially for Shonen Jump Artists, but tosh is probably the closest one you'll get.
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I don't know why you asked especially for Shonen Jump Artists, but tosh is probably the closest one you'll get.
Because I want to see ones from authors whose series are ones that most people think of when they hear the words "manga and anime."
And who/what do you mean by Tosh?
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Because I want to see ones from authors whose series are ones that most people think of when they hear the words "manga and anime."
Unfortunately, Eiichiro Oda is too busy to draw anything but One Piece.
...I'm not sure what "most people" think of when they hear the words manga & anime, but the extremely well-known artists don't seem to do a lot of fanart. If you're looking for something to show your friends, you might have to wait for them to succumb further to the otaku gravity. Alternatively, if you can make a list of artists who would qualify, you could try posting it here or searching for them yourself on Google or Danbooru (the latter of which, I'm obliged to mention, is an NSFW site).
That said, I'll add Yui Hara (Kin-Iro Mosaic) to the list of not-quite-so-famous artists that Suspicious person and monhan compiled.
And who/what do you mean by Tosh?
Tosh is a doujin artist who fans are pretty sure is the same person as Shun Saeki. As monhan said, Shun Saeki is the artist for Shokugeki no Soma, which Viz calls "Food Wars."
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Didn't realize that monhan mentioned Tosh...
Just want to see them for myself, that's all.
Still, thanks to all those who helped!
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This are relatively obscure, but the author of Nekogami Yaoyorozu (random supernatural comedy thing, got an anime a few years back) used to do Touhou doujin. And I kinda wish they still did because Nekogami Yaoyorozu sucks. And of course Aki Eda went on to do something called Bonnouji (which is a warm and fuzzy romance manga). I doubt this helps you at all, but just more things on the list.
In general though, the pattern is for doujin artists to "go pro" and work on their own original IP in commercial magazines. Because, well, the kinds of people with those skillsets often want to be professional mangaka. However, after doing so they don't really have the spare time to devote to fanwork, since drawing manga is a pretty busy job. So in most cases it's less "professional mangaka also does Touhou stuff" and more "people who do Touhou stuff eventually move on and do other stuff while doing much less Touhou stuff than they did before."
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the author of Nekogami Yaoyorozu (random supernatural comedy thing, got an anime a few years back) used to do Touhou doujin
wow I would have never guessed they did touhou stuff judging by the content of nekogami gasp shock
It's funny because FLIPFLOPs made Touhou comics that were pretty hugely popular. Then you look at Nekogami and it's like they took the formula they used for their Touhou comics, and applied it to a setting of a bunch of characters inspired by japanese gods/fictional entities living their day-to-day lives not doing much and sometimes fighting nondangerously, all the while using other various familiar tropes... and it still just ends up seeming boring somehow in comparison.
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wow I would have never guessed they did touhou stuff judging by the content of nekogami gasp shock
It's funny because FLIPFLOPs made Touhou comics that were pretty hugely popular. Then you look at Nekogami and it's like they took the formula they used for their Touhou comics, and applied it to a setting of a bunch of characters inspired by japanese gods/fictional entities living their day-to-day lives not doing much and sometimes fighting nondangerously, all the while using other various familiar tropes... and it still just ends up seeming boring somehow in comparison.
The FlipFlops doujins I remember were mostly comedy but had a bit of drama sprinkled in to keep things interesting. I believe Nekogami lacked that spice so it seemed boring.
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I guess this is no longer related to the question, but I'll chuck in a few more names of doujin turned pro artists, who published touhou doujinshi in the past.
Charin from circle Shako - Doing one of the manga adaptions for Idolmaster Million Live. His buddy Chihiro (circle Zazenbeat) is basically working as his assistant right now.
Chado (Tohonifun) - Did the artwork for the manga, Sekigan no Shounen (completed). Still publishing doujinshi (not limited to Touhou) at an alarming rate.
Chomoran (Dreamin' Chomoland) - Doing the manga adaption for Zerozaki Kishishiki no Ningen Knock right now. This guy is bloody good, buy his work.
Hikawa Shou (Saku Saku Tei) - Shinozaki-san Ki wo Ota Shika ni.
Haruno Tomoya (Harutomo) - D-Frag & Maou-sama Chotto Sore Totte. (Actually published a few one-shots on different comic magazines before he started doing Touhou)
Suichuu Hanabi (Fusuma Teahouse) - Strike Witches: The 501st Joint Fighter Wing.
Ugatsu Matsuki (Asatsuki Dou) - Danzai no Judith. Still releasing doujinshi (not limited to touhou) occationally.
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What is the main theme of the Touhou series in general?!
Imo, The Gensokyo the Gods Loved fits nicely. What do you think? :derp:
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I think it's Theme of Eastern Story (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGwASZn0ZKA). That melody is in the title theme for every official Windows game.
Addendum: Though I'd have to say, The Gensokyo the Gods Loved would be the best theme for an intro scene/movie. It's just so peaceful and unfitting for being the stage theme it is.
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Especially the Yuuhei Satellite Version!
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDrWtIAbdbU&feature=youtu.be&google_comment_id=z132xngqconyudckp22ujrgp2zaezlfbk04)
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A very nice arrange of the Theme of Eastern Story. Highly recommended.
https://youtu.be/sAEeVJbCO8M
Honestly, this theme is THE Touhou song among them all.
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A very nice arrange of the Theme of Eastern Story. Highly recommended.
https://youtu.be/sAEeVJbCO8M
Honestly, this theme is THE Touhou song among them all.
My preferred choice:
https://youtu.be/geCeFOETNDk
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If we are talking about theme song for Touhou, I would think A Soul as Red as a Ground Cherry would be it.
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Has there been any mention on how fast Aya can go in official works?
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Has there been any mention on how fast Aya can go in official works?
No absolute numbers, but Reimu and Marisa mention that she's faster than Remilia in SSiB, and vampires are described by Akyuu to be able to cross the entire human village within the blink of an eye. Not to mention that Remilia went around the whole Lunarian moon in the span of a few panels in SSiB. So regardless of how big either of those places are, it still means Remilia is really fast, and if Aya is faster than her, then she's really damn fast.
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Anyone know whose arrange is this song in the video...??? I know it's an arrange of Emotional Skyscrapper, but whose circle and what is the title...???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wL_nQ7ZpVY
I dont know if it's the right place to ask this (Kinda new here), and I appreciate if you can help me. Thanks
p.s: ignore the game, just listen to the music.
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I know that this is a bit late to be responding to this, but I wouldn't say that Gensokyo is a real nation; I think that it's a region. There is no real government or economy to speak of there, nor is there a common identity. The SDM or Chireiden don't really count as governments either, they seem to be more like fiefdoms.
Remiu would be the enforcing authority, if she's not feeling lazy that day.
Reimu's more like a sheriff than anybody that holds a political office.
Anyway, are Yousei (Fairies) a specific creature or spirit in Japanese mythology that is similar to fairies or does Yousei refer specifically to European fairies?
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Yousei do not specifically refer to European fairies. They are spirits of nature and occupy any and all things. They are more like the popular fairies in video games.
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Yousei do not specifically refer to European fairies. They are spirits of nature and occupy any and all things. They are more like the popular fairies in video games.
At least Wikipedia (http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/妖精) claims that in Japanese, yousei is almost only used as a translation of the European idea of spirits of nature, never for anything else.
The word originally refers to any youkai in China. I'd like to know how its meaning has changed in Japanese, too.
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The European fairy I know of is from A Midsummer Night's Dream. They don't seem like the popular depiction of fairies of modern day.
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Question spawned into my head based from small discussion at https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17762.msg1176916.html#msg1176916
Mokou is covered with amulets on her clothing but also in her hair. If she is using those amulets to prevent her clothing to accidental catch fire (as Cuc pointed out) , then what is the point of them in her hair? Or she doing that to keep her hair in good shape?
More seriously: Who gave Mokou these amulets? Keine?
But if her outfit is to be protected against accidental fire, won't Danmaku ruin it? Since I believe Marisa somewhere said Danmaku still hurts if you get hit by it?
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Hair can catch fire too, you know.
Mokou had all that time to learn fire magic, she probably learned how to make amulets to protect herself from it as well.
Yes, it will. When she's beaten in IN, her outfit is damaged. Wait, it's only her shirt that's damaged, and it doesn't have amulets on it, so the answer might be "no".
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Question spawned into my head based from small discussion at https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17762.msg1176916.html#msg1176916Mokou is covered with amulets on her clothing but also in her hair. If she is using those amulets to prevent her clothing to accidental catch fire (as Cuc pointed out) , then what is the point of them in her hair? Or she doing that to keep her hair in good shape?
Regarding Mokou's hair, which seems to be the only part of her body that had changed in a thousand years, IN said the Hourai elixir reverses the relationship between the soul and the body, making the body entirely dependent on the soul. I think Mokou's long silver hair reflects the part of her soul that has changed.
A corollary of this is, maybe she cannot change the length of her own hair; even if she cut it, the next time she regenerates, the hair will grow back to the full length. So the only thing left for her to do is to make the hair as unobstructive as possible: tie them into tiny braids, and keep them from catching on fire.
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So let me get this straight, her suspended trousers or w/e it is called in English, is covered in amulets to avoid catching fire. Her hair is covered in amulets to avoid catching fire. Her shirt clearly isn't. We can notice this also in her new portrait where the sleeves are missing and the shirt is ripped at shoulder area.
So does this mean Mokou can actually become buttnaked inside her suspended trousers? Then all those fanworks depicting her in a ecchi way with no clothes underneath seems a pretty accurate move?
Though what about Kaguya then? She is also burdened by the Hourai Elixer and is acting all princess like. I am pretty sure her eternal quarrel with Mokou surely made her burn her body / clothes / hair multiple times, yet she doesn't seem to much care about those? Which is bit unexpected nature of a princess.
Also someone gave Mokou the fire resistant amulets, unless she knows how to make them herself.
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So let me get this straight, her suspended trousers or w/e it is called in English, is covered in amulets to avoid catching fire. Her hair is covered in amulets to avoid catching fire. Her shirt clearly isn't. We can notice this also in her new portrait where the sleeves are missing and the shirt is ripped at shoulder area.
So does this mean Mokou can actually become buttnaked inside her suspended trousers? Then all those fanworks depicting her in a ecchi way with no clothes underneath seems a pretty accurate move?
Though what about Kaguya then? She is also burdened by the Hourai Elixer and is acting all princess like. I am pretty sure her eternal quarrel with Mokou surely made her burn her body / clothes / hair multiple times, yet she doesn't seem to much care about those? Which is bit unexpected nature of a princess.
Also someone gave Mokou the fire resistant amulets, unless she knows how to make them herself.
Kaguya's ability can make things temporarily eternal and indestructible, she probably uses it to have indestructible clothes as well.
Mokou knows other kinds of sorcery other than fire techniques, and protective amulets aren't exclusive to shrine maidens or other religious figures. She probably doesn't use them in her shirt because it would become ugly :V
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Maybe Mokou's shirt is already made of flame-proof materiais.
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Asbestos Shirt Mokou is now canon.
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It burns in her IN beaten portrait. Funny enough, so does the amulet on top of her head.
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Regarding Mokou's hair, which seems to be the only part of her body that had changed in a thousand years, IN said the Hourai elixir reverses the relationship between the soul and the body, making the body entirely dependent on the soul. I think Mokou's long silver hair reflects the part of her soul that has changed.
Well don't they say in Japan "A woman's hair is her life"? :V
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Funny enough, I posted my headcanon on how Mokou got her hair amulets in the headcanons thread a few days ago. :V My thought was that Kaguya gave them to her on a whim, but, thinking more seriously into it now, doesn't she have the Robe of the Fire Rat?
One possibility is that Mokou's trousers are made from the Robe, and the amulets are cosmetic---heck, they could even be patches covering holes---which she replaces when damaged by danmaku. Doesn't Tojiko, whose clan has history with the Fujiwara, have them too?
As for why I entertained the possibility that the amulets don't do anything, I was under the impression that the fire-warding attribute is a widely accepted explanation, but not the canonical one. As CyberAngel mentioned, the one on top of her head does burn.
That's my 2p.
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One possibility is that Mokou's trousers are made from the Robe, and the amulets are cosmetic---heck, they could even be patches covering holes---which she replaces when damaged by danmaku. Doesn't Tojiko, whose clan has history with the Fujiwara, have them too?
Are the trousers ever scorched? No example readily comes to mind. Whatever they're made of their fireproofness is probable. Good design for fire protection, too, the overalls.
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I can't recall a specific instance in canon where they are clearly shown as such. This is a close one: http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/File:056BAiJRMokou.jpg but it doesn't really show much. Perhaps someone else may know?
Good design for fire protection, too, the overalls.
Off-topic: TIL http://goo.gl/HVB4SS
Apparently, Mokou is Gensokyo's fireman, in more ways than one. Just don't expect her to put out fires though.
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Mokou's defeated portrait doesn't mean she hurt herself with fire. The heroines can be pretty rough too you know, if you look at the general damage they cause post every boss fight.
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Besides the obvious Septette for the Dead Beethoven, are there any other instances where ZUN is influenced by classical music?
Is it safe to say that Beethoven is his favourite out of all the composers out there?
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ZUN used the BACH motif in U.N. Owen, but after EoSD he has shown very little if any classical (or modern orchestral) influence in his music. He probably doesn't listen to this kind of music regularly at all, and there's a good chance that he only listened to some classical music during the development of Kioh Gyoku and EoSD so he could have a rough idea of how music with a distinctly western tone sounds like.
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ZUN did say in his interview that music comes first and everything is build around it, so definitely could be related in terms of "feeling the theme" but speculative eventually whether that is true or not. He does have shelves full of books so he might be combining things too.
Based on Abraham's post: I wonder if there is a reason for him embracing the electric guitars in DDC for example, they are quite noticeably around.
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To mods: I didn't know where to post this, so please move it if it's in the wrong section. Thanks in advance.
Can someone please identify the Lunar Clock ~ Luna Dial remix used in this video (https://youtu.be/_oxwZGcxzjA?t=3m27s)? I've been trying to find it for a long time and I've been having no luck.
<Tengukami> Miscellaneous questions go in the Miscellaneous Questions thread. HTH
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Has anyone already asked this?
Impossible Spell Card is the english subtitle, Danmaku Amanojaku is the japanese title. In "Danmaku Amanojaku" which word is the noun and which the adjective? So, if "danmaku" was the adjective it would be modifying "amanajaku" ("this specific amanojaku [Seija] is special because she goes to places to make danmaku [bullet barrages]") ; if "amanojaku" was the adjective it would be modifying "danmaku" ("the particular danmaku [bullet barrage] is special because it's being made by an amanojaku [Seija]").
This is a confusion of being a native spanish speaker, learning english as second language, and then trying to apply these to japanese.
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In "Danmaku Amanojaku" which word is the noun and which the adjective? So, if "danmaku" was the adjective it would be modifying "amanajaku" ("this specific amanojaku [Seija] is special because she goes to places to make danmaku [bullet barrages]") ; if "amanojaku" was the adjective it would be modifying "danmaku" ("the particular danmaku [bullet barrage] is special because it's being made by an amanojaku [Seija]").
Danmaku Amanojaku has an anamojaku that shoots danmaku, and dodges danmaku, and the danmaku that she dodges is very amanojaku-like. It's a compound noun, and so its meaning is not so exact as you're imagining. Is an "Explosion Monster" a monster that explodes, or that causes explosions, or that is found in explosions? The words themselves don't specify.
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Is an "Explosion Monster" a monster that explodes, or that causes explosions, or that is found in explosions? The words themselves don't specify.
They don't; but what is specified is that an "explosion monster" is a type of monster, not a type of explosion. This is because English has left-branching compound nouns; the first element always modifies the second. Some languages do it the other way round.
Japanese also has left-branching compound nouns; danmaku "bullet curtain" is a good example. It means a curtain of bullets -- not a type of bullet.
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Just something small here, but is MarisaC in MoF shooting ice or blue flames? Was something that I was thinking about recently.
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It's called "Cold Inferno". Pretty much deliberately ambiguous magic; you could just as easily argue it's a really cold magical mist as you would magical fire.
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This has been bugging me for a while...
Why did some people compare Shinmyoumaru with President Lincoln? What caused the comparison in the first place?
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I have a question about TH08 IN. Who among them is truly stopping the night?
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The most likely candidates are Barrier team and Scarlet team, specifically, Yukari and Sakuya.
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Is there any info if of ZUN planning to release any new artbook?
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I have a question about TH08 IN. Who among them is truly stopping the night?
It depends on which team you're playing. Whichever team you're playing is the team that did it (or a member of that team. Sakuya, for example)
(as for which one canonically did it, it's never stated, probably because it falls under the "It doesn't matter" category. Canonically, SOMEONE of the four playable teams stopped the night, and that's all that the storyline of Touhou needs. ....probably)
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Alright thanks. I don't remember anyone of them capable enough to do that kind of thing. But now that i think about it maybe it could be Sakuya since she have a time stop ability or maybe not . Yeah it really doesn't matter.
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Keep in mind that technically they are not stopping time, they are extending the night (slowing it down). Timeflow still takes place in the game, but slowly based on performance.
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Alright thanks. I don't remember anyone of them capable enough to do that kind of thing. But now that i think about it maybe it could be Sakuya since she have a time stop ability or maybe not . Yeah it really doesn't matter.
Any of them would be pretty capable of doing something like that, really:
Yukari can manipulate the border between day and night (she even did some bizarre stuff with this specific border in IaMP, making it be both night and day at the same time, so I don't think extending the night would be beyond her);
Sakuya can slow down time;
Alice/Marisa probably did some big magical thing;
Yuyuko and Youmu... uh... well, Yuyuko tore a hole between the Netherworld and Gensokyo, who knows what else she's capable of.
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Yeah, these Touhou characters sometimes have other random powers that aren't specified.
Youmu has that slow time gimmick, which has nothing to with swordsmanship and she can also steal spring.
But the 2 characters that do have abilities that are mentioned that could have possibly stop the night would be Sakuya and Yukari.
Yukari did her border of day/night thing in Immaterial and Missing Power, so stopping the night doesn't seem too much of a stretch.
Sakuya has her time stop thing, so stopping the night also doesn't seem too much of a stretch.
In either case, without mentioning their powers, the most likely characters are Yukari and Sakuya, mainly because of events.
Reimu and Yukari are Barrier team, that is the default team that solves incidents. Her profile has some stuff on this incident.
Scarlet team's ending gets continued on by Silent Sinner in Blue, so that team also has pretty good likelihood of being the culprit.
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From Imperishable Night:
Marisa: You.
You messed with the boundary of night and day again, right?
Reimu: We're the ones who're stopping the night.
But now isn't the time for that!
(obvious enough)
Reimu: Just as I thought that it was strange
that the night still hadn't ended...
So was you, Marisa.
Marisa: Oi, you've got it wrong.
The only bad one is this person here.
Alice: What!?
You're guilty of the same thing, aren't you, Marisa?
(Marisa and Alice's comments is basically them admitting guilt indirectly. Although it doesn't say HOW they did it)
Reimu: This is just like when you made that scarlet mist.
Remilia: Sakuya is doing something weird,
but we're not the ones who're doing the biggest thing right now.
(IE, Sakuya is the one stopping the night. But that's not the biggest thing, which is the Moon itself)
Yuyuko to Marisa: Oh, you don't seem to understand.
We're the ones who are stopping the night.
(again, they don't say HOW for that one)
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Yes, that is the text of the Imperishable Night, but we can't just look at that. With that kind of argument you could say either Reimu or Marisa could have solved the Scarlet Mist Incident and either of the 3 could have solved the Spring Snow Incident.
But that isn't the case, Reimu is the one who solves both those incidents, as verified by Perfect Momento in Strict Sense.
So, in Imperishable Night, we have 4 possible paths, but only 2 paths are likely. The two being Barrier Team and Scarlet Team.
Barrier Team, because Reimu, by default solves all incidents, unless stated otherwise, like UFO, where it is solved by Marisa B. This incident is also mentioned in Reimu's PMiSS profile.
Scarlet Team, because that team's ending is related to Silent Sinner in Blue.
The other 2 characters could have stopped the night (the how doesn't matter too much), but the scenario is much less likely than either barrier or scarlet team.
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FYI, the "Magic Team" was in the original 禁呪の詠唱チーム"Team Intoners of the Forbidden Spell" (often shortened to 詠唱組 "Intoners" in fandom speak), which should answer what Marisa and Alice did. The names of the other teams are less informative:
幻想の結界チーム Team Kekkai of Fantasy
夢幻の紅魔チーム Team Scarlet Devil of Dreams
幽冥の住人チーム Team Denizens of the Nether
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I have a random question:
Which touhou character is yearning for something the most?
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I have a random question:
Which touhou character is yearning for something the most?
I think it might be helpful to narrow this question down a bit. In what sense do you mean "yearning" - for an intangible, a tangible, something lost, something they never had?
I honestly don't think this can be answered with just one character topping them all in yearning. There are probably a group at the top.
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This has been bugging me for a while...
Why did some people compare Shinmyoumaru with President Lincoln? What caused the comparison in the first place?
Me. I started the in-joke.
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I think it might be helpful to narrow this question down a bit. In what sense do you mean "yearning" - for an intangible, a tangible, something lost, something they never had?
I honestly don't think this can be answered with just one character topping them all in yearning. There are probably a group at the top.
I guess it's kind of a silly question, but I can't think of many off the top of my head. All the characters seem fairly.... content with their daily lives. A few have some ultimate goals, like Alice and autonomic dolls, Marisa trying to catch up to Reimu, maybe Yukari and the state of Gensokyo. No one seems to have desperate yearning for something unattainable, or at least nigh unattainable. Something a bit melancholic by nature.
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I have a random question:
Which touhou character is yearning for something the most?
I guess it's kind of a silly question, but I can't think of many off the top of my head. All the characters seem fairly.... content with their daily lives. A few have some ultimate goals, like Alice and autonomic dolls, Marisa trying to catch up to Reimu, maybe Yukari and the state of Gensokyo. No one seems to have desperate yearning for something unattainable, or at least nigh unattainable. Something a bit melancholic by nature.
For that dream-like, hard to reach kind of yearning, there might actually be a few contenders :
-Kasen, regarding her "arm"
-Mokou, who wants to apologise for what she did to Iwakasa
-Maribel and Renko, regarding their search for Gensokyo
"The most" seems kinde iffy, as there is no way to tell if a desire is superior to another one, besides, living for the enjoyment of life is about right too for a goal. The list might explode depending on what you meant with "yearning", I only picked those whose "yearning" seems mainly personnal and is not an a priority rather than something that they'll dedicate their whole being to (more characters might be added based on interpretation)
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I think the spirits of desire in TD form our best objective look at who "wants" the most, and that would be Miko. Of course, that's framed as ambition rather than yearning, which has a very different nuance.
As for who thinks "the world is wrong, it needs to be changed", I think Byakuren and Kasen would tie for that.
As for the most personal "what was once lost, and may never be reclaimed", probably Satori and her relationship with Koishi. Koishi is general is incredibly tragic if you stop to think about it even slightly.
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Yeah, Koishi is tragic, but it is self inflicted. I am unsure even if a change is possible, Satori would want the change.
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Of course Satori wants change. Koishi's profile in SA says that Satori tried to get her to open up by spending time with animals.
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I guess it's kind of a silly question, but I can't think of many off the top of my head. All the characters seem fairly.... content with their daily lives. A few have some ultimate goals, like Alice and autonomic dolls, Marisa trying to catch up to Reimu, maybe Yukari and the state of Gensokyo. No one seems to have desperate yearning for something unattainable, or at least nigh unattainable. Something a bit melancholic by nature.
Oh it's not a silly question; it's a really interesting thought experiment. I only meant it's important to have in mind that assessments on who objectively possesses a particular trait the most are not really going to be possible, but subject to personal interpretation (see also: power level discussions), because there's no objective way to measure it. I mean, we can safely say "X would be high up there" but not "X is at the top".
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Oh it's not a silly question; it's a really interesting thought experiment. I only meant it's important to have in mind that assessments on who objectively possesses a particular trait the most are not really going to be possible, but subject to personal interpretation (see also: power level discussions), because there's no objective way to measure it. I mean, we can safely say "X would be high up there" but not "X is at the top".
Desire spirits in TD. Totally objective.
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Ha, Ok mang.
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Desire spirits in TD. Totally objective.
They were Divine Spirits, not Desire Spirits. They were there to watch Miko's awakening, not because of her desires.
I mean, they were very lowly and fleeting Divine Spirits that were born mostly of prayers and, yeah, desires, but the reason they were there didnt have to do with Miko's own wishes.
...unless it's stated so in one of the endings? I avoid reading spoilers about them so I wouldnt know.
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I believe there was an ending where they started swarming around Marisa, with the implication that they're attracted to greedy people, but I can't remember the details. Actually, what other reason would they have to gather at Miko's resurrection?
Also, the characters sometimes call them "vulgar spirits", so it's not clear to me if they're real "divine spirits" in the sense that Kanako is.
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The moral of the TD story is that gods are born from our desires. The lowly desire spirits are the seeds of future gods.
Spoiler: The divine spirits are the people's desires, not Miko's. Since she, Prince Shoutoku has been worshipped as a god, Miko is supposed to fulfill people's wishes like any god should, that's why the spirits flocked to her awakening. In Marisa's normal ending, we know that Miko absorbed the spirits, thus completing her apotheosis.
In short:
Desire = faith;
Desire spirits = those minor divine spirits in TD;
A human soul + desire/faith = a divine spirit like Kanako;
A congreggation of desire/faith without a human soul = a god of pure faith like Suwako.
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If Miko absorbed them, then why was she surprised in SoPM to learn that she'd become a god?
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It's the omniscent narrator who said "Miko has absorbed them". It seems faith being absorbed by gods is a natural process. Whether Miko is aware of it is unimportant.
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Checking out the ending in question, it seems that line has been mistranslated in the English patch, instead saying that the spirits were "attracted" by Miko, instead of "absorbed".
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No idea about the English patch, but it definitely was mistranslated in vgperson's translations.
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Well, I just checked the auto-patcher website. I don't really have the time or motivation to replay the entire game right now.
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Thanks for the responses people!
Oh it's not a silly question; it's a really interesting thought experiment. I only meant it's important to have in mind that assessments on who objectively possesses a particular trait the most are not really going to be possible, but subject to personal interpretation (see also: power level discussions), because there's no objective way to measure it. I mean, we can safely say "X would be high up there" but not "X is at the top".
Hm, saying 'the most' would make it sound like I was looking for an objective pinnacle. I was just looking for any character with a desperate yearning really. A few characters have it in their background stories, now that I have more time to think about it: Kaguya wanted to go to earth, Mokou wanted revenge against Kaguya, Yuyuko wanted to die, I think I had one more but can't remember it.
Whoever suggested Kasen, I think that's a top contender for present day people. Though I can't really do much with that...
Koishi too, is good suggestion. She's just tragic in general. I think maybe she too had a strong desire to be liked by everyone, which may be why she closed her eye.
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Of course Satori wants change. Koishi's profile in SA says that Satori tried to get her to open up by spending time with animals.
Oh, I should clarify what I meant by change. By change, I meant by changing the past, not the present. Yeah, Satori wants Koishi to recover from her self infliction.
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Mokou wanted revenge against Kaguya,
For the record, Mokou really doesn't care all that much about getting revenge on Kaguya.
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Can someone please identify the Lunar Clock ~ Luna Dial remix used in this video (https://youtu.be/_oxwZGcxzjA?t=3m27s)? I've been trying to find it for a long time and I've been having no luck.
This is a question I asked 15 days ago. I don't think anyone other than the mods noticed it (probably because it started as a separate thread that was merged with this one.). I hope you all don't mind if I ask it again.
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This is a question I asked 15 days ago. I don't think anyone other than the mods noticed it (probably because it started as a separate thread that was merged with this one.). I hope you all don't mind if I ask it again.
I noticed, but I have no idea what it is.
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A few weeks ago I asked a question on why Shinmyoumaru is compared with Abraham Lincoln when DDC was first released. Anyone care to answer that? I still don't get it...
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Your question has already been answered. People never compared the two, it was just one person being silly.
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I regularly see Mamizou in woman suit as a new design and tag in Urban Legend in Limbo.... so is that her new appearance or just fan made?
- http://www.donmai.us/posts/1996284?tags=urban_legend_in_limbo
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I regularly see Mamizou in woman suit as a new design and tag in Urban Legend in Limbo.... so is that her new appearance or just fan made?
- http://www.donmai.us/posts/1996284?tags=urban_legend_in_limbo
It's legit (https://www.melonbooks.co.jp/resize_image.php?image=213001017354e.jpg)
She still keeps her HM looks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m-us2yE0s4#t=3m05s), so it may apply only for her occult spell, though
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(http://40.media.tumblr.com/4cec121500338ca932df9e8b51534f48/tumblr_nf5raqaObT1s8gq0go1_1280.jpg)
Is that Johann Sebastian Bach I see in the background?
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Yes (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17629.msg1143125.html#msg1143125), as per the first page of our thread about the game.
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Will this become a new touhou meme or something? its getting out of control on how silly the concept is already :V
(http://i.imgur.com/LYaJWis.jpg)
If this is on the wrong section feel free to Move/delete the topic
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It already became a meme at this point. (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10153225862759020.1073741833.9565239019&type=1)
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I just want to know what god damn urban legend its referencing.
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I just want to know what god damn urban legend its referencing.
The one she invented, obviously.
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Wait when did Byakuren get a motorcycle anyway I'm slow on the draw here.... :X
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Wait when did Byakuren get a motorcycle anyway I'm slow on the draw here.... :X
I seek enlightenment as well! :3
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I just want to know what god damn urban legend its referencing.
It's not an urban legend; it's OJ Simpson in a low-speed chase with police (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-20-years-ago-oj-simpson-chase-20140617-story.html).
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If I were to name the best thing to come out of ULiL, it's gotta be Byakuren on a motorcycles. Everyone's new dumb expressions are a close second though, those are great.
At least, until this gets old or overused...
Wait when did Byakuren get a motorcycle anyway I'm slow on the draw here.... :X
She uses it in her occult attack in ULiL. As to where it comes from, I'm not sure. I heard someone say that the occult balls can teleport objects so maybe hers teleports a bike to her?
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It's not an urban legend; it's OJ Simpson in a low-speed chase with police (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-20-years-ago-oj-simpson-chase-20140617-story.html).
I highly doubt ZUN would make a refence to O.J.
But seriously, what the hell urban legend is it referencing? It seems to be the only one that no body knows what it is.
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Oh, you meant the motorcycle rather than the pic, sorry.
Yeah, no idea either.
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Oh, you meant the motorcycle rather than the pic, sorry.
Yeah, no idea either.
Well, i hope that somebody does find out what it is referencing, because this is really annoying me.
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It's just representative of Byakuren's urban legend. This seems to be Jet Babaa / Turbo Baa-chan, given the in-game baba ("granny") jokes and the Spell Card naming sense of "going really fast", along with one being named "＊Turbo Granny Rides for Her Life＊".
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It's just representative of Byakuren's urban legend. This seems to be Jet Babaa / Turbo Baa-chan, given the in-game baba ("granny") jokes and the Spell Card naming sense of "going really fast", along with one being named "＊Turbo Granny Rides for Her Life＊".
Damn, and just as i was about to post that i had found out what it was.....
But yeah, its Turbo Granny.
If you are speeding on the highway at extremely high speeds, Turbo-Granny will knock on your window. If you see her, you'll have a car accident.
(Source is megami tensei wiki, not the best source, but it was one of the few english sources i could find.)
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Slight diversion: the motorcycle has also established a delinquent/gangster theme for Hijiri, and by extension her crew, as the spell card name ＊ターボババァ走死走愛＊ (＊Turbo Granny Rides for Her Life＊) incorporates 走死走愛 sōshisōai, a bōsōzoku (motorcycle gangster) lingo.
Previously we only saw Ichirin referring to Hijiri as "Big Sis" (姐さん onee-san and 姉御 anego), which in this context sounds more like stereotypical delinquent speech, rather than anything people in real life would say. Now the motif has finally come to fruition.
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Not really a serious question, but how much traction is Mokou/Sumireko gaining on the shipping front? :V
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Any well known celebrities that are known fans of Touhou? I read somewhere that Justin Bieber was one, but it probably isn't true.
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- What happen to those 'occult balls' at the end of t14.5 and more particularly the 'Gensokyo occult ball' that Mamizou was in possession of?
- Was there any indication where exactly they appear at, once they leave the barrier? (in the forest far from the city like in that particular touhou manga...)
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- What happen to those 'occult balls' at the end of t14.5 and more particularly the 'Gensokyo occult ball' that Mamizou was in possession of?
- Was there any indication where exactly they appear at, once they leave the barrier? (in the forest far from the city like in that particular touhou manga...)
For one, it's unclear if Mamizou was lying about Gensokyo's occult ball. In fact "how much of what she says is true?" was the title of one of her stages. If she really does have the Gensokyo Power Stone though, I see no reason for her not to keep it. It's not like the Power Stones were created by the incident, they've always existed and only became a problem because of how Sumireko was trying to use them. All the other balls were sent back through the barrier, except maybe the Lunar Capital orb? I dunno, the ending didn't really focus on it since it was more about how they'd deal with Sumireko herself.
After they leave the barrier, they end up in the middle of the sky above a modern city. Sumireko's stage, basically. Plenty of characters are shocked by the transition, and they have no time or reason to travel that far, so there's no reason to believe they didn't just suddenly appear there.
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For one, it's unclear if Mamizou was lying about Gensokyo's occult ball.
She was definitely lying about the one she gave to Sumireko; in her story mode ending, she outright says that it's a fake and actually one of her tanuki minions. The minion signals them when Sumireko prepares to enter, and Kasen's the one who actually pulls her in.
edit: vvv Right, right.
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She was definitely lying about the one she gave to Sumireko; in her story mode ending, she outright says that it's a fake and actually one of her tanuki minions. The minion signals them when Sumireko prepares to enter, and Kasen's the one who actually pulls her in.
Yeah, I knew that, but it's unclear if she was lying about the existence of the ball in the first place.
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Is there a place where one can find more background info about those "urban legend" (like Futo - okiku banchou sarayashiki) in t14.5 or where they mostly without any specific back story?
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I don't really understand why, in Forbidden Scrollery, Reimu tried to not point out who Mamizou is. I mean, it states that it would ruin her reputation with the human village but wouldn't it be more logical to come to the conclusion with that Reimu fought/exterminated her before. Instead of thinking that Reimu became friends with Mamizou or something.
Basically, what I'm trying to say is that, I'm confused over why the villagers would lower Reimu's reputation over knowing Mamizou.
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I don't really understand why, in Forbidden Scrollery, Reimu tried to not point out who Mamizou is. I mean, it states that it would ruin her reputation with the human village but wouldn't it be more logical to come to the conclusion with that Reimu fought/exterminated her before. Instead of thinking that Reimu became friends with Mamizou or something.
Basically, what I'm trying to say is that, I'm confused over why the villagers would lower Reimu's reputation over knowing Mamizou.
The villagers don't really know Reimu, they just know rumors about her, since Reimu does not visit the village that often.
Reimu's reputation with the village isn't exactly good either. While she is a youkai hunter, she is not strict enough on youkai. Her shrine is sometimes known as a youkai shrine, because youkai visit her, again causing a reputation drop.
Real youkai hunter, like way back when, hunt down and exterminate youkai without exception. Byakuren was sealed because she was friendly with youkai back in the day.
The logical conclusion to draw from someone you don't really know and they are hanging out with youkai is that the person is on friendly terms with that youkai.
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What is Hell (the actual Hell where the souls of the damned go to and not the youkai-occupied Former Hell we can investigate in Subterranean Animism) like in the Touhou universe? Also, is it possible for a human being to get trapped in there by some horrible mistake?
I'm working on a fangame fanfiction and I need more information on the topic of Touhou's netherworld.
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The villagers don't really know Reimu, they just know rumors about her, since Reimu does not visit the village that often.
Reimu's reputation with the village isn't exactly good either.
What?
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Rumors can do bad things to your reputation.
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No, more like false information being spread about the Hakurei Shrine Maiden.
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What is Hell (the actual Hell where the souls of the damned go to and not the youkai-occupied Former Hell we can investigate in Subterranean Animism) like in the Touhou universe? Also, is it possible for a human being to get trapped in there by some horrible mistake?
I'm working on a fangame fanfiction and I need more information on the topic of Touhou's netherworld.
They use Buddhist cosmology for the afterlife (more or less), so you can just look up one of the Buddhist hells on wikipedia or something. There are a bunch of specific hells in Buddhism, like the mountain of needles and stuff, and they're referred to several times in Touhou.No, more like false information being spread about the Hakurei Shrine Maiden.
It's true though? She gets along pretty well with youkai.
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No, more like false information being spread about the Hakurei Shrine Maiden.
What do you mean? The shrine has a bad reputation because youkai visit it. They mention this in the 3 fairies manga.
The dialogue can be seen here:
http://bato.to/read/_/51362/touhou-sangetsusei-oriental-sacred-place_v2_ch12_by_umad-scans/23
http://bato.to/read/_/51354/touhou-sangetsusei-oriental-sacred-place_v1_ch5_by_umad-scans/8
I wouldn't call the rumor false, since she rarely attacks youkai outside of incidents and is on friendly terms with a fair amount of them.
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My post was a 50/50 joke / truth.
The joke part referred to the interview of Aya with Reimu in BAiJR. What you're stating about status with Youkai is true. But it is false that you claim she doesn't visit the Human Village often and thus Humans rely on rumours.
Reimu in fact visits the Human Village quite often but that doesn't take away the gossips and rumours. Reimu's relationship is complicated in Gensoukyo I guess. Due to many things. Being the Hakurei Shrine Maiden doesn't makes it easier, especially her lazy nature in general.
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Either way there is a lot of behaviour / nature of Reimu explained in official works. PMiSS and the Touhou ingame profiles usually give a good description in general.
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What would happen if a living human winds up in hell for some reason?
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The situation was never discussed about in canon, so we don't know.
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The situation was never discussed about in canon, so we don't know.
So I can make up my own details about this sort of situation for the fan story?
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It's a fan story, so you can write whatever you like, really. Anything not covered by canon is fair game, and some writers don't even let that stop them. Won't affect the quality of a story either way, in my experience.
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Considering that living humans visit the Netherworld and Heaven without any problems, I'd assume that Hell is also just a physical location that living beings can reach if they try hard enough. It's probably unpleasant, depending on which Hell it is (again, look up the Buddhist Hells), but I can't imagine there'd be anything special about it.
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What would happen if a living human winds up in hell for some reason?
Pretty good chance the human is going to be dead. Hell is a dangerous place for powerless people after all.
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Pretty good chance the human is going to be dead. Hell is a dangerous place for powerless people after all.
What if the human is a magician, say, somebody like Marisa or Sumireko? Is it possible for them to somehow talk the sinners' souls into doing their bidding?
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What if the human is a magician, say, somebody like Marisa or Sumireko? Is it possible for them to somehow talk the sinners' souls into doing their bidding?
Not sure, it might be possible. I don't think Marisa's been able to do it. It seems like only a few people can actually communicate with the dead souls.
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I doubt a magician could do it. A Touhou magician is more like a scientist, if magic was a science. Since talking to souls is something only super-special people can do, apparently, it doesn't make any sense for a magician to be able to, since they're mostly just "normal" people who use magic like a tool. Even an expert in souls like Alice probably couldn't talk to them, for the same reason that a particle physicist can't talk to atoms.
However, Sumireko isn't a magician, she's an ESPer. We haven't really seen her use much in the way of telepathy or the like (unless you count her dream projections), but speaking with ghosts is one of the more common jobs for psychics. So that seems plausible to me. ...Seriously though, Sumireko's not a magician like Marisa or Patchouli. She's closer to Sakuya, actually, in that she just has an illusionist theme and her own innate powers. Please spread the word since I've seen this misconception pop up before.
Other characters who actually can talk to souls include Orin and maybe shrine maidens, based on various stuff in FS.
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There's also Komachi, Shiki, probably even Yuyuko and Youmu. But this is expected since they mostly deal with deceased souls.
I'm not sure about Yukari, but seeing how she could talk to Luna Child directly in her mind, there's a big chance of her being able to use telepathy.
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There's also Komachi, Shiki, probably even Yuyuko and Youmu.
Yuyuko's job is managing the Netherworld, and since she herself is a ghost, it'd be very unlikely for her not to be able to talk to spirits.
I doubt a magician could do it. A Touhou magician is more like a scientist, if magic was a science.
There could be some specialization of magic that allows a magician to talk to spirits, I guess. Not that it has been hinted at, but there does seem to be a pretty large variety of specializations under the magic category (like there is to science, after all)
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Can Seija befriend another amanojaku?
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Since she's the only amanojaku we have seen so far, we dont really have a way to answer this question with canon info.
Personally, though, I dont think amanojakus in general can befriend anyone. Making enemies would probably be much more preferable for creatures like them, anyway. Seija, for one, seems to find it just fine to have all of Gensokyo pissed off at her.
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Yeah, we can't say anything for sure either way, but allying themselves with like-minded people seems antithetical to what it means to be contrarian.
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At the end of chapter 4 of Cage in Lunatic Runagate, Moukou plans to climb Youkai Mountain some day and speak with Iwanagahime, the goddess of immortality. Do we know if she ever does? Does Kanako know that there's another goddess on the mountain?
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At the end of chapter 4 of Cage in Lunatic Runagate, Moukou plans to climb Youkai Mountain some day and speak with Iwanagahime, the goddess of immortality. Do we know if she ever does?
We don't know if she ever went there or not.
Does Kanako know that there's another goddess on the mountain?
Probably, but it's not like Iwanagahime ever really does anything so...
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There are billions of gods, all over the place. No one really keeps track of them all. Heck, Hina and the Akis already seem to be hanging out on the mountain in MoF, and Kanako doesn't express any interest in this one way or another. Gods just aren't really all that big a deal unless you need something in particular.
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To those who have read ZUN's writing in Japanese, what's his writing style like? Specifically in DiPP C62/3, IN stage titles and descriptions, IN music comments, CiLR and greetings/introductions. (I'll be fine with a (not-too-)general statement though.)
I like the translations on the wiki, but I don't know how much reflects his actual tone versus the translators' own wording.
It would be a while before I can read them myself, so satisfying my curiosity will be much appreciated.
Cheers!
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Why did Eirin kill the emissaries? I understand that she wanted to save Kaguya, but it still doesn't justify killing them, when they were coming in peace, it just seems unnecessarily cruel to me.
So yeah, why did she kill those rabbits when she didn't need to?
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Back then, Eirin was pretty ruthless. Those emissaries could be Lunarians or they could be rabbits, it doesn't really matter, Eirin is paranoid like that. As the saying goes, dead people tell no tales.
She mellowed out only fairly recently after Kaguya lifted her Eternity spell over Eientei.
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Why did Eirin kill the emissaries? I understand that she wanted to save Kaguya, but it still doesn't justify killing them, when they were coming in peace, it just seems unnecessarily cruel to me.
So yeah, why did she kill those rabbits when she didn't need to?
As Starxsword said, Eirin was fairly ruthless before the centuries of hiding. She doesn't really "justify" anything. Moreover the Lunarians already think of the rabbits as disposable anyways, so dispatching the other emissaries isn't a stretch. She even still suggests that as a possibility in CiLR 1 when Rei'sen comes down.
To note though, CiLR never says the emissaries with Eirin were murdered. It only seems to be mentioned in IN that they were killed -- in fact, in CiLR, it says they were "deceived" or "tricked" in Eirin's narrative, suggesting this might have been changed (unless the "deception" is Eirin turning on them, I guess). Though, the couple that took care of Kaguya still are said to have refused the Hourai Elixir and later """passed away""", leading to the Emperor ending up with the Elixir and throwing it away (and Mokou eventually consuming it).
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Hieda no Akyuu (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Hieda_no_Akyuu) have the ability to "not forget anything she sees". What would happen if she met Koishi Komeiji? Could she remember her afterwards? Also, is her ability limited to the things she "can see", meaning that she would need to be able to perceive Koishi first, as otherwise they would have no use at all? ;)
I wonder if they ever officially met and if not, what does fandom say about this matter =)
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The comments on the spell cards descriptions, except those on IN/DS/StB and the fighters, are all unofficial, right?
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Hieda no Akyuu (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Hieda_no_Akyuu) have the ability to "not forget anything she sees". What would happen if she met Koishi Komeiji? Could she remember her afterwards? Also, is her ability limited to the things she "can see", meaning that she would need to be able to perceive Koishi first, as otherwise they would have no use at all? ;)
I wonder if they ever officially met and if not, what does fandom say about this matter =)
She did write an article about her, you know. (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Symposium_of_Post-mysticism/Koishi_Komeiji) Judging by her second note, she didn't meet her, but would remember if she did.
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The comments on the spell cards descriptions, except those on IN/DS/StB and the fighters, are all unofficial, right?
The scene titles in 14.3 are also official, if you want to count those. But yes.
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Ok, thanks.
I see someone put those comments as actual source references on the wiki anyway :V
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According to Marisa's profile she is just an ordinary magician yet she is capable of aconplishing amazing feets such as doing mid-air magic enhanced cartweels,riding her broom in the speed almost similar to Aya and firing the Master.Spark without suffering eye damage or vurbt to cinder. Is there an explanation of this an how strong is Marisa and what is her weakness.
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Ok, thanks.
I see someone put those comments as actual source references on the wiki anyway :V
Yeah to be honest those comments are relics of bygone days which have confused me and others more than once, like in this case. If it isn't an official comment or doing something like pointing out the reference in a name or strategy, I think they should be deleted. I fail to see a need for the imitation flavor text.
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According to Marisa's profile she is just an ordinary magician yet she is capable of aconplishing amazing feets such as doing mid-air magic enhanced cartweels,riding her broom in the speed almost similar to Aya and firing the Master.Spark without suffering eye damage or vurbt to cinder. Is there an explanation of this an how strong is Marisa and what is her weakness.
According to Marisa's profile she is just an ordinary magician yet she is capable of aconplishing amazing feets (...)
Marisa uses magic but she is still a human. She is a self proclaimed "ordinary magician", which is not indicative of anything, as there's nothing like "ordinary magic" out there. "Ordinary magician" shouldn't mean that she can't do anything extraordinary, not that she is limited to ordinary stuff. At any rate, she is more like a laser magician...
(...)doing mid-air magic enhanced cartweels,riding her broom in the speed almost similar to Aya and firing the Master.Spark without suffering eye damage or vurbt to cinder. Is there an explanation of this an how strong is Marisa(...)
Canon doesn't give a direct explanation of the way magic generally works, so we can only speculate for this, maybe by starting from various points and speculate in a more or less far fetched way :
-In general, otherworldly source of powers, magic included, can affect people and things in some way in Touhou
-Marisa's magic stick(?) from UFO is said to be unecessary because you can use whatever magic you can already use but not get to use a new kind of magic by relying on tools
-According to Rinnosuke, the mini-hakkero holds more than enough power to reduce a mountain to cinders
-There are other occurences that are not reasonably possible in Touhou, the worst offender being the fight against Okuu in SA
-Other reasons listed among banned templates
Speculation time ! Alright, so why doesn't Marisa suffers from some kind of drawback when she uses magic ? Let's say Marisa fires Master spark : it is described as an intense magic of light and heat AND usually requires the use of the mini-hakkero. But the people you don't like you fire master spark on don't turn to cinders nor roasted meat, even though the hakkero is supposedly able to reduce whole MOUNTAINS to cinders. It can be blamed on the spellcard battles, but the super lethal attacks'll still need to be made to fit that way... anyway, it's possible (oy, this is speculation) that magical phenomon doesn't affect people the same way physical phenomon does : if you view it this way, then Marisa's magic generated light not affecting her eyesight nor her heat magic not burning herself nor roasting people like fire make some sense. Even Patchouli's elemental magic is associated with symbolism rather than shounen-ish battle convenience use, for example, her fire element is associated with change and movement instead of a blatant "TO BURN STUFF" (obviously, it's fire so it burns, but that's not the biggest focus there...), while Mokou who is NOT a magician but somehow manages to generate fire (not magical fire) can get burned by her own flames. This doesn?t mean that magic have no physical effect whatsoever since Marisa can cook with her mini-hakkero. If anything, the tools might hold some power of their own, but they?re just used as some sort of medium for magic. We?re also talking about magic related things as something completely different from supernatural stuff (since magic is the other kind of science?), which can affect physical stuff to a certain extent, like the hermit?s space powers or Futo?s flaming fire that burns everything for example.
Also, exposure to magic can affect people or things too : Marisa?s broom supposedly grows some leaves. Exposure to supernatural (ie : youkai or youma books) source of power and/or magical source of power do affect people and things in one way or another in the Touhou-verse, and it shouldn?t be too far fetched to say that being able to make use of such sources?ll give you an edge over the other people who can?t. A bit gratuitous here, but if Marisa uses magic and magic tools daily, it?d be suspicious if she somehow gets magic drawbacks from contact with anything magical (excluding accidents if these happens), not to mention all the training she supposedly does and all of her magic research or even the magic she pirated from other people and refined.
At any rate, her ability to use magic is what makes Marisa stronger (stronger than your average Joe at any rate), and her hard work play a role in this too. Anything regarding the ?why she doesn?t suffer some kind of drawback? are speculation, since we don?t have very explicit stuff from canon?
(...)what is her weakness.
Marisa is a human (stronger than your average Joe but still human), so she is obviously vulnerable to anything bad that can happen to humans like death, sickness, the lack of super regenerative ability, and since this is Touhou, maybe we can add things like misfortune too. For the more character specific weakness, it?s got to be her bold, borderline reckless personality : there are various remarks about how the way she do things could kill her someday, so yeah? also, when Marisa fires master spark and misses, you'll get a big opening.
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Hieda no Akyuu (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Hieda_no_Akyuu) have the ability to "not forget anything she sees". What would happen if she met Koishi Komeiji? Could she remember her afterwards? Also, is her ability limited to the things she "can see", meaning that she would need to be able to perceive Koishi first, as otherwise they would have no use at all? ;)
I wonder if they ever officially met and if not, what does fandom say about this matter =)
Quoting Koishi's profile in SoPm written by Akyuu: "A youkai invisible to adults, and only visible to certain children. However, even those who played with them in their childhood will completely forget that they existed once they grow up. Has anything like that ever happened to you?(*2). (2*) Not to me"
Akyuu did stated that she didn't forgot the youkai, implying she can still remember youkais like Koishi afterwards.
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-Marisa's magic stick(?) from UFO is said to be unecessary because you can use whatever magic you can already use but not get to use a new kind of magic by relying on tools
What does this even mean? I'm confused.
Speculation time ! Alright, so why doesn't Marisa suffers from some kind of drawback when she uses magic ? Let's say Marisa fires Master spark : it is described as an intense magic of light and heat AND usually requires the use of the mini-hakkero. But the people you don't like you fire master spark on don't turn to cinders nor roasted meat, even though the hakkero is supposedly able to reduce whole MOUNTAINS to cinders. It can be blamed on the spellcard battles, but the super lethal attacks'll still need to be made to fit that way... anyway, it's possible (oy, this is speculation) that magical phenomon doesn't affect people the same way physical phenomon does : if you view it this way, then Marisa's magic generated light not affecting her eyesight nor her heat magic not burning herself nor roasting people like fire make some sense.
But heat is still heat, even if it is magical, and Mokou's flames hurt her because she wraps herself in them, while the enemies don't get burned to a crisp (how can it even be non-magical fire anyway?).
We should also apply this to other supposedly lethal attacks that for some reason don't kill humans (especially physical, non-magical ones) like knives, swords, youkai wrecking humans bare-handed (like Suika, as described in GoM), trains ramming on people, and so on. Maybe simply declaring a spell card, it activates some weird spell that reverses body damage while still keeping pain and fatigue?
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Hieda no Akyuu (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Hieda_no_Akyuu) have the ability to "not forget anything she sees". What would happen if she met Koishi Komeiji? Could she remember her afterwards? Also, is her ability limited to the things she "can see", meaning that she would need to be able to perceive Koishi first, as otherwise they would have no use at all? ;)
I wonder if they ever officially met and if not, what does fandom say about this matter =)
Koishi isn't invisible to everyone. It is just that it is hard to notice her, because of her lack of presence. Koishi is also not memorable, so people tend to forget about her. She's supposed to be like any common object where you tend to just skip by her. There are people who see her fine, like Reimu.
According to Marisa's profile she is just an ordinary magician yet she is capable of aconplishing amazing feets such as doing mid-air magic enhanced cartweels,riding her broom in the speed almost similar to Aya and firing the Master.Spark without suffering eye damage or vurbt to cinder. Is there an explanation of this an how strong is Marisa and what is her weakness.
Yes, magic is the reason. Also, Marisa is no where near as fast as Aya. Those two aren't even close in terms of speed. There is probably some protective barrier protecting Marisa when moving at such speeds.
I think Marisa's mini-hakkero is similar to the original Hakkero. That means it uses divine fire that can burn pretty much anything. Kind of like Yorihime's divine flame sword.
-There are other occurences that are not reasonably possible in Touhou, the worst offender being the fight against Okuu in SA
Why's that, we are talking about a magical world here? In Scarlet Weather Rhapsody, most of the final fight is in low earth orbit, thanks to Tenshi lifting you all the way there.
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-Marisa's magic stick(?) from UFO is said to be unecessary because you can use whatever magic you can already use but not get to use a new kind of magic by relying on tools
What does this even mean? I'm confused.
I don't quite remember the source (but it have something to do with UFO), but the use of tools don't allow you to use a new kind of magic you've never been able to use, so magic tools are just there to boost the magic you could already use
But heat is still heat, even if it is magical, and Mokou's flames hurt her because she wraps herself in them, while the enemies don't get burned to a crisp (how can it even be non-magical fire anyway?).
Hence the "speculation" part :V
Mokou is somehow able to generate and manipulate fire but that has nothing to do with magic, and of course Mokou's fire won't burn the other person to a crisp since it's in a non-lethal battle. It might appear due to some supernatural thing, but Mokou is still not a magician. At any rate I don't remember Marisa or Patchouli getting hurt from the heat from their own magic, then again things might've been different if they directly casted their spells on themselves, although hurting the other person is the point of the "offensive" magic.
Some stuff that have nothing to do with magicians gets to be associated with some magical source, the miracle mallet and the youma books for example, but items turning into tsukumogami and Kosuzu getting her ability are usually associated with youkai and people with ability rather than magician. Magician do count as a race or another kind of youkai in Touhou, so it might not be incorrect to say that magic and supernatural stuff are more or less the same, but youkai in general mainly do what people think they can do : if they could use magic, then they definitely won't be restrained to behave the way they are supposed to in legends : kappa's ability to manipulate water is mediocre according to canon and they certainly can't use magic, which doesn't compare to Patchouli's elemental magic at all. Magicians are more versatile in what they do : they are not bound to use what they are expected to use. Tengu uses wind because that they are supposed to do so, but it does not count as wind magic or something like that. Magicians do supernatural stuff too, but theirs can be put in some category.
Whatever magic does, it still count as supernatural (a more categorised one), but what I meant to say in my answer to SerB18 is that magic doesn't have a very bad impact on the people who uses it. The problem with Patchouli and Alice have something to do with the material they use.
Then again, thinking back, in one SaBND chapter, when Marisa suggest about firing master spark at the tree and the fairies freaked out because it could destroy their home, maybe master spark not burning people to the bone might have something to do with it being possible to regulate, so some parts of my reasoning is kinda void, back there... but mentioning that the mini hakkero's got the firepower but not master spark can lead to some weird conclusion orz...
Anyway, the speculation I made there is more centered around the "why nothing bad happens to Marisa when she does her thing" only, so a different suggestion or correction regarding magic stuff is most welcome...
We should also apply this to other supposedly lethal attacks that for some reason don't kill humans (especially physical, non-magical ones) like knives, swords, youkai wrecking humans bare-handed (like Suika, as described in GoM), trains ramming on people, and so on. Maybe simply declaring a spell card, it activates some weird spell that reverses body damage while still keeping pain and fatigue?
Spellcards are very diverse : physical, magical, spiritual, non-lethal projectiles, lethal projectiles, spiritual, fire, thunder and so on. Just because these reflect a certain person's ability doesn't mean it's magic. These are made for fight so of course these are supposed to hurt, be it magic or the rest, but then again, it's not like spellcards were made for the purpose of using it against yourself. How damaging these are, that is not sure, but these are supposed to reflect their user's own abilities : even if Mokou blows herself up with her LW kai, no matter how lethal it looks like, if it doesn't kill it's not lethal. Of course a few things might change depending on what spellcards are supposed to be or how the hell are these even made in the first place. A portion of it's owner's power made into a card, materialisable danmakufu script or something ? This too is left to speculation. At any rate, the bosses are alway tougher and enduring when they activate their spellcard so that's that :V
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Marisa and what is her weakness.
Marisa is vulnerable to tigers. She got badly wounded by one in WaHH, enough to make amputating her arm seem reasonable.
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How old it the Tohou fanbase in general. Has it gotten a cult following as soon as HRTP was released or only after EOSD? Is the western fanbase younger than the Japanese one?
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Marisa
If we are to take Kasen's statement in ULiL, Marisa risks dying because of how she uses her magic. There's also several other hints that she's weaken because of magic experiment and being fairly frail as well. There's a reason that so many ways to attain longevity in Touhou has Marisa commenting or being mentioned. But yeah, we won't know for sure.
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riding her broom in the speed almost similar to Aya
I'd like to point out that this is probably impossible for Marisa to achieve. Tengu speed is theoretically far more ridiculous than is ever actually shown; you'd probably end up getting to limitations of Gensokyo before the top-speed Tengu can't go any faster.
Quoting Koishi's profile in SoPm written by Akyuu: "A youkai invisible to adults, and only visible to certain children. However, even those who played with them in their childhood will completely forget that they existed once they grow up. Has anything like that ever happened to you?(*2). (2*) Not to me"
Akyuu did stated that she didn't forgot the youkai, implying she can still remember youkais like Koishi afterwards.
Well, she's saying that nothing like forgetting a childhood imaginary friend has ever happened to her, because she literally doesn't forget anything. It's definitely the case that she would remember Koishi if she met her, but she hasn't. You can pretty much assume Akyuu hasn't met Koishi by SoPM because she has no such details written.
Marisa is vulnerable to tigers.
Good quote. I find that part almost funny because she's pretty seriously wounded but she's just like "wow what a bummer I can't regenerate"
How old it the Tohou fanbase in general. Has it gotten a cult following as soon as HRTP was released or only after EOSD? Is the western fanbase younger than the Japanese one?
Touhou's fanbase started out entirely as just any other doujin project and would have been circulated casually even in the PC-98 days and moving into Seihou during ZUN's break, but I wouldn't call that a fanbase. Late 2002 -> 2003 is indeed when it started to get popular, as far as I can tell: the activity on ZUN's site started going up, and the THWiki poll numbers shot up between the first few polls. EoSD was advertised late 2002 on Watanabe Seisakusho (i.e. French Bread)'s website, which helped its popularity. PCB's full version is where it exploded.
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Touhou's fanbase started out entirely as just any other doujin project and would have been circulated casually even in the PC-98 days and moving into Seihou during ZUN's break, but I wouldn't call that a fanbase. Late 2002 -> 2003 is indeed when it started to get popular, as far as I can tell: the activity on ZUN's site started going up, and the THWiki poll numbers shot up between the first few polls. EoSD was advertised late 2002 on Watanabe Seisakusho (i.e. French Bread)'s website, which helped its popularity. PCB's full version is where it exploded.
To clarify, Watanabe Seisakusho's "advertisement" of EoSD was not in any business sense; it was simply the person updating their home page saying "I've played this awesome game, and here's my fan art!"
This was a pivotal event in kickstarting Touhou's public awareness, probably because the update happened at exactly the right time: on Sep 5, before the mass-produced edition of EoSD was released in doujin stores on Sep 27. It built anticipation - people had now heard of this great new game, but they had to wait for another three weeks to play it.
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She did write an article about her, you know. (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Symposium_of_Post-mysticism/Koishi_Komeiji) Judging by her second note, she didn't meet her, but would remember if she did.
I heard about Symposium, but didn't saw it before and wasn't fully aware what it really is, so thank you for the hyperlink. I will try to go through it during my examination session^^.
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How old it the Tohou fanbase in general. Has it gotten a cult following as soon as HRTP was released or only after EOSD? Is the western fanbase younger than the Japanese one?
On a related note, when did Westerners first start noticing Touhou?
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On a related note, when did Westerners first start noticing Touhou?
Around 2007-2008 I believe. It have a lot to do with IOSYS flash videos or viral ones such as the McRoll'd, which might've gotten some people curious about the series. The OST got uploaded on youtube around this time too. At any rate, 2009 was the year where western communities of otaku and japanese stuff lovers started to show some real interest in the series.
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There was a boom in western interest in Touhou that roughly followed the same boom in the japanese fandom, which itself followed the splurge of new works in 2007, prompting an increase in doujin activity that managed to reach western audiences from many directions.
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Thanks to Drake and Starxsword for answering my question about Eirin, i didn't know about CiLR not mentioning Eirin killing the emissaries, so maybe it was retconned out, someone should add that to the wiki.
Also Eirin mellowing out because of years of spending time with Kaguya makes me wanna ship them.
Anyways, moving on the subject of the growth of touhou's fanbase:
Around 2007-2008 I believe. It have a lot to do with IOSYS flash videos or viral ones such as the McRoll'd, which might've gotten some people curious about the series. The OST got uploaded on youtube around this time too. At any rate, 2009 was the year where western communities of otaku and japanese stuff lovers started to show some real interest in the series.
2007 seems like the year it started to become a thing, judging from gensokyo.org and walfas.org's archives.
Also apparently a english fan base has been around since 2004(!), according to the wayback machine. (http://web.archive.org/web/20040728210826/http://www.shrinemaiden.com/) Also apparently MaullarMaullar has been posting here on the forums since 2006, i think MaullarMaullar might be the oldest poster here, good job Maullar! You perverted old coot! (If anyone else here has been around for longer, let me know.)
Also, on the Japanese front of the fanbase, HERE (http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/septentrion_for_a_dead_princess) is the first ever touhou doujin ever made, Septentrion for a Dead Princess, released only a few months after the release of EOSD, and based on the game Septentrion. I am sharing this because i think people will be interested. Also it has a blond reimu for some reason.
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2007 sounds about right to me. That's when I started seeing Touhou stuff pouring onto my favorite haunts, anyway, and led me here the following year.
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2007 sounds about right to me. That's when I started seeing Touhou stuff pouring onto my favorite haunts, anyway, and led me here the following year.
I think I saw a video of EoSD gameplay a ridiculously long time ago, when I was still in elementary school and using my grandfather's PC over summer break.
I think I saw Marisa Stole the Precious Thing on YouTube also sometime in elementary school, when I was using my dad's PC for Internet, but I didn't really get to know Touhou until 6th grade when I got my laptop.
And 2007 was when I was in kindergarten :3
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And 2007 was when I was in kindergarten :3
Um.....what? the average age of an kindergartener is 5, which would make you 12 now.
I think your the youngest person here.
Unless your joking.
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Um.....what? the average age of an kindergartener is 5, which would make you 12 now.
I think your the youngest person here.
Unless your joking.
I cant even math
I'm actually 15, when I said that I was in kindergarten in 2007, i accidentally meant when it ended.
So kindergarten in 2006, and 15 now. I'm actually older than most of my classmates because I was born almost right after the cut-off point for registering for kindergarten in 2006.
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There must've been a decently sized Western fanbase before 2007, because people were already translating all these doujinshi. Maybe I got into it a bit before it "got big", but at the time it already seemed like some big new thing with tons of memes and fanart everywhere (that everyone was already familiar with). I would say 2007 was the end of its growth period (although of course another big wave hit after UFO).
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It sounds like we all have similarish anecdotes, but I'd be curious to see quantifiable data, too, e.g. trending for search terms like "Touhou" over the past ten years, and so on.
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Do we have date for touhou doujin music boom?
Surely there should have been already some doujin music scene (the oldest doujin music I recall are Beatmania ones), but what caused this massive shift?
I also recall that the 1st time I searched for Touhou infos, I went to shmup.com forums but people were quite critical about the series, especially IN back then, did the touhou doujin scene really attract the western fanbase instead of the original games?
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I don't think hardcore shmup fans have ever been too fond of the series, because it attracts people who aren't hardcore shmup fans. There's just a certain level of defensiveness about it: "you're not a real shmup fan, you're just playing what's popular right now".
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plus a large portion of them never actually played the games and judged the series mostly on its fandom anyways
it's a slightly different story now that many people good at touhou went on to take records in other games
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Ok, so I got several questions, most about the lore of Touhou, that I can't find an answer to it no matter where I look. I know here are people that are very knowledgeable about backstories and the interpretation of some info. So...
In the Shining Needle Castle article of the Touhou Wiki it's written that the Castle is supposed to be in an "entirely-inverted world". It's supposed to be a world separated from Gensokyo like Senkai? Where is this stated? I can't recall reading something like that in DDC story nor in any manga. (It could be my memory though)
Another. The answer of this question is influenced by the first one's. Where was the Shining Needle Castle before the events of DDC? (If the world mentioned in the first question does exist, then this is already answered) It was floating around Gensokyo near the Youkai Mountain? I know the Castle supposedly appeared in Gensokyo long time ago.
It's stated that the Castle appeared (by the power of the Miracle Mallet) and shortly after it turned upside-down. Then, when it appeared, it appeared floating in the sky or just like a normal castle settled in the ground? I know it's a silly question, but it annoys me when I try to imagine the scene...
Iku's species is "Messenger of the Dragon Palace" in kanji and ZUN did say in SoPm that the palace does exist, it's "like the Lunar Capital" and there are connection between it and Gensokyo. So, am I suppose to think that Iku has some sort of connection to the Moon?
This one is more technical. The kanji sei (清) in Seiran's name (清蘭), if you break the kanji, then you get the character ao (青) which means "blue". Is this just a coincidence, regarding Seiran's actual appearance (blue hair and blue-ish clothes) or it does have a deeper meaning?
Thanks beforehand.
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Do we have date for touhou doujin music boom?
Surely there should have been already some doujin music scene (the oldest doujin music I recall are Beatmania ones), but what caused this massive shift?
Here (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Stardust_Reverie) is what is thought to be the first album, at least. Like other Touhou doujin it probably took off with PCB-IN. Just from looking on the wiki there was a big jump in 2005 with the number of circles attending Reitaisai 2 (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Category:Reitaisai_2) and Comiket 68 (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Category:Comiket_68), but of course this is an incomplete listing.
Iku's species is "Messenger of the Dragon Palace" in kanji and ZUN did say in SoPm that the palace does exist, it's "like the Lunar Capital" and there are connection between it and Gensokyo. So, am I suppose to think that Iku has some sort of connection to the Moon?
Thanks beforehand.
I don't know how strong Iku's own connection is, but there is still seemingly a connection. Anyway, though not said outright, between SoPm and CiLR with the Urashima Tarou chapter, I would think the Dragon Palace is less "like" the Lunar Capital and more the same thing. Or at least some location in the Lunar Capital.
And the way I read the whole interview is that there's a connection between all the extra dimensional places in Touhou linked to hermits and celestials (heaven, lunar capital, Senkai, Kasen's place, etc)
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The Lunar Capital is the Dragon Palace, because Yorihime lied to Urashima Taro about where he was. It was a security measure to hide the true nature of the Lunar Capital from foreigners. Not to mention the whole "mountains and sea" themes of Bougetsushou: the moon is clearly "the sea", metaphorically. Lastly, in WaHH they talk about how dragons are born on the ground, rise to the sky, and ascend to the heavens, as part of their natural lifecycle. The most important dragons live in the heavens.
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"A completely inverted world" (何もかも逆さまな世界) is the title of Stage 5. It doesn't mean anything besides that everything about the castle is upside-down. As far as where it was before the incident, I'm not aware if it's ever said, but the Stage 5 theme is called "The Shining Needle Castle Descending From the Skies", so perhaps it was hidden in the clouds before. As for before the castle entered Gensokyo, it was stuck in the "world of the oni" from the effects of the Mallet for whatever reason, and eventually passed out of human belief.
As an aside, the name "Kishinjou" and the more casual referring of "Sakasajou" (Inverted Castle) both have connections to Castlevania: SotN. It has Dracula's "Inverted Castle" of course, but also there's its creator, Maxim Kischine (マクシーム・キシン, makushiimu kishin); hence, キシン城 ("kishinjou", castle of Kischine).
Seiran's name having a "blue" seems like a coincidence, but there's a more interesting relation. 晴嵐 (also "seiran") means mountain vapor, which was Reisen's weather in SWR. Moreover, 晴嵐 was the name of a floatplane for the Japanese Navy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aichi_M6A) in WWII. Meanwhile, 零戦 ("reisen") was also a fighter plane for the IJN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_A6M_Zero) during WWII. This is likely not a coincidence given other WWII imagery surrounding the moon stories.
(EDIT: thanks for those wiki edits gilde)
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As for before the castle entered Gensokyo, it was stuck in the "world of the oni" from the effects of the Mallet for whatever reason, and eventually passed out of human belief.
Oh yeah, the "land of the oni" is supposed to be another alternate dimension. Satori mentions it in Koishi's ULiL ending, as part of a big list of examples of other worlds.
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As an aside, the name "Kishinjou" and the more casual referring of "Sakasajou" (Inverted Castle) both have connections to Castlevania: SotN. It has Dracula's "Inverted Castle" of course, but also there's its creator, Maxim Kischine (マクシーム・キシン, makushiimu kishin); hence, キシン城 ("kishinjou", castle of Kischine).
Actually, Maxim sort-of created the alternate castle (more like splitting Castlevania into two dimensional "layers" due to Maxim's collecting Dracula's remains ended up forming an evil soul in him) in Harmony of Dissonance but not the inverted castle in Symphony of the Night. No official connection has been made between those two castles AFAIK.
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got my games mixed up, still :castlevania:
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Eh, no worries, HoD was pretty much intent-wise SotN for the GBA. :V
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To note, what exactly Iku's job means to the moon (and related questions) is debated amongst the japanese fandom as well. Because it was an interview, ZUN didn't really have much time to prepare for the question and craft a thorough response, so it's difficult to glean much meaning out of the quote besides its face value, and he hasn't since elaborated on it.
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Thanks for the replies! Now I understand more about the subject.
Seiran's name having a "blue" seems like a coincidence, but there's a more interesting relation. 晴嵐 (also "seiran") means mountain vapor, which was Reisen's weather in SWR. Moreover, 晴嵐 was the name of a floatplane for the Japanese Navy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aichi_M6A) in WWII. Meanwhile, 零戦 ("reisen") was also a fighter plane for the IJN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_A6M_Zero) during WWII. This is likely not a coincidence given other WWII imagery surrounding the moon stories.
Those are really interesting coincidences I agree, the most shocking would be the meaning of 晴嵐 being "Mountain Vapor" and at the same time pronounced seiran (all while being the weather of Reisen in SWR) ... I don't even... but they are all likely coincidences... or maybe no... damn ZUN!
"A completely inverted world" (何もかも逆さまな世界) is the title of Stage 5. It doesn't mean anything besides that everything about the castle is upside-down. As far as where it was before the incident, I'm not aware if it's ever said, but the Stage 5 theme is called "The Shining Needle Castle Descending From the Skies", so perhaps it was hidden in the clouds before. As for before the castle entered Gensokyo, it was stuck in the "world of the oni" from the effects of the Mallet for whatever reason, and eventually passed out of human belief.
I knew there was no such thing as an "inverted world" but as I don't know japanese I couldn't support my thoughts. By the way, thanks Glide for editing it out haha.
I don't know how strong Iku's own connection is, but there is still seemingly a connection. Anyway, though not said outright, between SoPm and CiLR with the Urashima Tarou chapter, I would think the Dragon Palace is less "like" the Lunar Capital and more the same thing. Or at least some location in the Lunar Capital.
And the way I read the whole interview is that there's a connection between all the extra dimensional places in Touhou linked to hermits and celestials (heaven, lunar capital, Senkai, Kasen's place, etc)
The Lunar Capital is the Dragon Palace, because Yorihime lied to Urashima Taro about where he was. It was a security measure to hide the true nature of the Lunar Capital from foreigners. Not to mention the whole "mountains and sea" themes of Bougetsushou: the moon is clearly "the sea", metaphorically. Lastly, in WaHH they talk about how dragons are born on the ground, rise to the sky, and ascend to the heavens, as part of their natural lifecycle. The most important dragons live in the heavens.
To note, what exactly Iku's job means to the moon (and related questions) is debated amongst the japanese fandom as well. Because it was an interview, ZUN didn't really have much time to prepare for the question and craft a thorough response, so it's difficult to glean much meaning out of the quote besides its face value, and he hasn't since elaborated on it.
At the end, the Dragon Palace was the Lunar Capital. Makes you wonder what does ZUN has in mind with this kind of connections, but as Drake pointed out they may be rushed answers to unexpected questions. Still, I find it quite mysterious and intriguing hmm.
One thing I forgot to ask. I'm a little confused about how the personality of Remilia really is. I already read everything concerning her in the official books and games, but it was long ago and it's not like the books and games are only about Remilia, so all the info got scattered in my mind and now I can't remember/understand very well how she is supposed to be, it's al vague, but not concrete. It's there a possibility to get a summarized text of her personality?
Thanks beforehand as always and many thanks to the users who took their time to answer all my questions! Cheers!
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One thing I forgot to ask. I'm a little confused about how the personality of Remilia really is. I already read everything concerning her in the official books and games, but it was long ago and it's not like the books and games are only about Remilia, so all the info got scattered in my mind and now I can't remember/understand very well how she is supposed to be, it's al vague, but not concrete. It's there a possibility to get a summarized text of her personality?
Remilia's childish, very proud, pretty sharp, polite, capricious, easily bored, and impulsive. She enjoys novel things and isn't above playing along in silly games/allowing herself to be manipulated if it means staving off boredom (like in Aya's scenario in SWR and basically her role in SSiB). She can act in a really overblown and grandiose fashion, but she usually only does that during incidents. Her favorite blood type is B.
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Remilia is a sophisticated brat trying to be a sophisticated b..... PRINCESS!
Far as I can tell, she possibly really does have the wisdom of a 500 year old being (especially if Akyuu's speculations on how she handled Sakuya are true. She at least probably has good youkai management abilities considering that most fairies stick around as employees despite being free to leave), but the temperament and desires of a bratty child.
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To those who have read ZUN's writing in Japanese, what's his writing style like? Specifically in DiPP C62/3, IN stage titles and descriptions, IN music comments, CiLR and greetings/introductions. (I'll be fine with just a (not-too-)general statement though.)
I like the translations on the wiki, but I don't know how much reflects his actual tone versus the translators' own wording.
It would be a while before I can read them myself, so satisfying my curiosity will be much appreciated.
Cheers!
Would it be alright to bump my previous question?
I have two more to ask:
- Did ZUN say anything about DiPP C62's story being solvable, like Agatha Christie's And Then There Were None? Or is it simply a hoax?
- We learnt from a recent interview that ZUN composes music before he creates the stages/bosses. Does he compose based on a title he has in mind, or does he name a piece after finishing it?
Please and thank you!
It sounds like we all have similarish anecdotes, but I'd be curious to see quantifiable data, too, e.g. trending for search terms like "Touhou" over the past ten years, and so on.
Clearly very late, but still: http://goo.gl/tHliVN
For fun:
http://goo.gl/W0bHzO
http://goo.gl/79HsN9
Needless to say that the parameters can be changed.
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Thanks Sagus and Tiamat! Now everything is more clear now!
If you don't mind I'll use some of the info for the wiki in Remilia's Personality.
Again, thanks for everything!
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To those who have read ZUN's writing in Japanese, what's his writing style like? Specifically in DiPP C62/3, IN stage titles and descriptions, IN music comments, CiLR and greetings/introductions. (I'll be fine with just a (not-too-)general statement though.)
I like the translations on the wiki, but I don't know how much reflects his actual tone versus the translators' own wording.
It would be a while before I can read them myself, so satisfying my curiosity will be much appreciated.
I have two more to ask:
- Did ZUN say anything about DiPP C62's story being solvable, like Agatha Christie's And Then There Were None? Or is it simply a hoax?
- We learnt from a recent interview that ZUN composes music before he creates the stages/bosses. Does he compose based on a title he has in mind, or does he name a piece after finishing it?
The DiPP writing style doesn't actually seem very similar to works after PCB-ish. ZUN kind of went into this pseudo-poet phase where he thought it would be cool for everything to sound super mysterious and deep, and he sort of grew out of it as he started to seriously worldbuild. He seems to have read a lot of books around this time and as you know he became a bit infatuated with Agatha Christie. This really affected his writing style and is kind of what characterizes the uber-quirky interactions in EoSD and PCB. And CoLA to a lesser extent. I think some of this style got infused into Rinnosuke's character a bit. The difference between DiPP/EoSD and CiLR is pretty gigantic -- by the time of CiLR he refined a lot of ideas and wrote way more formally, phrasing choices and references being much more deliberate. And then music comments are usually more casual than his regular blog writing.
Whenever I write on the wiki I try to find tone and match it, but it's hard. Some works get it better than others, and that might be purely because of how easily things translate. Like just in PCB's music comments, there's "和風に和風に" which is translated as "in a Japanese style", losing the repetition and the double-meaning of 和風. The next line is "この曲、「これから弾幕の嵐！」って雰囲気を完全に削ぎます", which conveys an excited phrase that the player is usually supposed to think to themselves before a danmaku, but this song erases all traces of that feeling and calms you down. This is then translated as "This song completely removes any hint of the upcoming storm of danmaku". Like, there are quite a lot of these translations, especially in earlier works, that don't communicate the same kind of feeling as the original and can end up just plain wrong on examination. But it's really case-by-case.
As far as DiPP goes, nobody knows. If he had said anything about it the story might be unveiled as a sham or just be solved, but my gut says that if you were to ask him today, he would say not to try to interpret it too deeply, subtly implying that it never had any meaning. But that could just be my biases showing, since I'm becoming increasingly convinced it was never meant to be an actual mystery, but rather just a nonsense story told as though it were one.
I'm not sure if he's said anything about music titles, but I could easily see it being both. He starts more with a vague feeling and concept first, then writes music, then fleshes out the game around it. Even if he used to start purely with music and just wrote stuff around it, he isn't as whimsical about it anymore. I would say he almost certainly does a ton of research into figuring out what characters he wants to build and the scenario he wants to write, then writes music around those concepts, with a title coming before or after depending on inspiration. The actual game content for sure comes last, though.
For example, Cinderella Cage ~ Kagome-Kagome was almost definitely a title first, then music. He fit that title around the story of Kaguya and used Eientei to represent the Cinderella cage. Meanwhile, he probably also knew that he would incorporate Kagome Kagome into the theme itself. It's similar with a lot of themes; you can see in the music comments when he says "I wanted to write a song like X", and in these cases the titles probably came first (although maybe not entirely formed). But some titles are clearly afterthoughts, like "The Sealed-Away Youkai ~ Lost Place". A lot of the X ~ Y titles feel that way.
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Although this forum isn't affiliated with touhouwiki, I'm looking for some suggestions/consensus on a potential change.
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Touhou_Wiki#Proposal:_Change_the_format_of_title_translations
Basically, the wiki currently formats the game titles in their main articles like this:
Touhou Fuujinroku ~ Mountain of Faith (東方風神録 ～ Mountain of Faith, lit. "Eastern Wind God Chronicles")
Prime32 made the point that people don't really know about the games' actual titles, either not being aware of them or thinking that they actually translate to the subtitles. Besides just not knowing the full title, there's the slight problem of people not recognizing SSiB, CiLR and Inaba are a collection. The Three Fairies manga don't seem to have this problem though.
Anyways, my suggestion was to use rubytext over the main title to display its meaning, rather than awkwardly have it off to the side as it currently is, like this:
Wind God Chronicles
Touhou Fuujinroku ~ Mountain of Faith (東方風神録 ～ Mountain of Faith)
The questions are 1) should we even bother with this change; and 2) does this method make sense? People have been receptive on the wiki so far but this is in the context already assuming it'll get changed, so I'm looking for just a few more opinions. It isn't even that big of a deal but yeah.
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I'm actually fine with how it's written now, but if there is going to be a change i'd say to put the translated part right above the japanese, adding "eastern" since even now "Touhou" is considered part of the title, so you'd have something like
Eastern Wind God Chronicles
Touhou Fuujinroku ~ Mountain of Faith
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Adding the "eastern" just confuses the issue more, since it clearly isn't meant to have any particular meaning other than identifying it as part of the series. Touhou means Touhou Project, not Eastern.
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Yeah, thinking about it, it would probably confuse more.
Still, i always assumed "touhou" (eastern) had the double meaning of both indicating that it's part of the series, and to specify that is something in/from the east, even if it's obvious. So the "Palace of Earth Spirits" is specifically in the east, and so on.
I know, i'm overthinking it :V
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Thank you for the awesome response, Drake!
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Does anyone know what Koishi's Last Remote theme is named for?
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ZUN: It feels like it's rushing you along for some reason, but there's no real reason to hurry, and everyone's acting carefree.
Even Reimu can't compete with the Moriya Shrine crowd in terms of not having a care in the world. The song title has no relation to a certain shooting game.
"Not Last Resort (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXIpKp0dlAE)", apparently.
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"Not Last Resort (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXIpKp0dlAE)", apparently.
Thanks... but mwaah that's disappointing
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Is it possible for someone from the outside world to slip past the border into Gensokyo via locations like Hell, etc?
Also, is it true that any youkai outsider that enters Gensokyo will have knowledge of Spell Cards and the Spell Card Rules automatically imprinted on them? I've seen this mentioned before in Riverbed Soul Saver.
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Is it possible for someone from the outside world to slip past the border into Gensokyo via locations like Hell, etc?
Probably. Tenshi entered Gensokyo from Heaven, after all.
Although I imagine it'd be harder this way.
Also, is it true that any youkai outsider that enters Gensokyo will have knowledge of Spell Cards and the Spell Card Rules automatically imprinted on them? I've seen this mentioned before in Riverbed Soul Saver.
That's just a theory, nothing of the sort is explicitly said or implied in canon, afaik.
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Also, is it true that any youkai outsider that enters Gensokyo will have knowledge of Spell Cards and the Spell Card Rules automatically imprinted on them? I've seen this mentioned before in Riverbed Soul Saver.
I don't think so, in FS the snake youkai was taught about Gensokyo's rules by Mamizou.
As for the others, the Moriya's could have learned the rules from the Tengu when they went on the mountain, or from Yukari/Ran if the Yakumo are the ones deciding who enters Gensokyo. Mamizou had Nue. Miko and Futo probably had Seiga.
Another explanation could be that the heroines explain the rules just like they did with Yorihime, and that part of the dialogue is omitted because it'd look weird.
Should also be noted that not every battle is a SC battle. LoLK has spell-card-like named attacks, but it seems they aren't actually spell cards, since the whole point of LoLK and Eirin's drug is not being hit even once because it would mean death.
Probably. Tenshi entered Gensokyo from Heaven, after all.
Although I imagine it'd be harder this way.
But isn't Heaven still inside the barrier like the Lunar Capital? When the humans and youkai went to heaven to fight Tenshi, it didn't seem they were outisde Gensokyo, and ULiL shows that is pretty much impossible to exit/enter Gensokyo without proper methods.
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I don't think so, in FS the snake youkai was taught about Gensokyo's rules by Mamizou.
As for the others, the Moriya's could have learned the rules from the Tengu when they went on the mountain, or from Yukari/Ran if the Yakumo are the ones deciding who enters Gensokyo. Mamizou had Nue. Miko and Futo probably had Seiga.
Another explanation could be that the heroines explain they rules just like they did with Yorihime, and that part of the dialogue is omitted because it'd look weird.
Should also be noted that not every battle is a SC battle. LoLK has spell-card-like named attacks, but it seems they aren't actually spell cards, since the whole point of LoLK and Eirin's drug is not being hit even once because it would mean death.
I didn't know that... so it's entirely possible that a lot of the "spellcard" battles we've seen are really just ordinary battles with named attacks. IN, SA, and UFO make a lot more sense that way.
But isn't Heaven still inside the barrier like the Lunar Capital? When the humans and youkai went to heaven to fight Tenshi, it didn't seem they were outisde Gensokyo, and ULiL shows that is pretty much impossible to exit/enter Gensokyo without proper methods.
Gensokyo isn't one of a kind. The Lunar Capital has it's own Barrier that's similar to but seperate from the Hakurei Barrier. IIRC Gensokyo, being a fantasy land, can connect to any other land that's fallen into fantasy (such as Heaven, Hell, Makai, and the Lunar Capital), and those lands can connect to Gensokyo. I'd assume that means they can connect to each other as well. Sumireko was having trouble because she was trying to go from reality into fantasy, which is very difficult.
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Should also be noted that not every battle is a SC battle. LoLK has spell-card-like named attacks, but it seems they aren't actually spell cards, since the whole point of LoLK and Eirin's drug is not being hit even once because it would mean death.
Well, in Ringo's dialogue it's noted that the way they're fighting is also coincidentally similar to spell card duels. They might? still be in danger, but it seems the Ultramarine Orb medicine is to assure they don't lose, not that they don't die. Reisen uses it too, after all.
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Well, in Ringo's dialogue it's noted that the way they're fighting is also coincidentally similar to spell card duels. They might? still be in danger, but it seems the Ultramarine Orb medicine is to assure they don't lose, not that they don't die. Reisen uses it too, after all.
Hm, to Reimu she says
Stand in awe of the moon's style of fighting,
where not even taking a single hit is allowed!
while in Marisa's scenario
Earthlings, who are allowed to get hit,
cannot possibly understand our hard work!
So it's basically the Moon's "not taking a single hit" VS Gensokyo's "you can get hit because you won't die". Doesn't it mean they are actually different things?
Also, Reimu's profile says that "this time there's no room for error". And it makes sense, because taking into account the whole context of lunarians purifying earth, there's no reason for them to use non-lethal attacks against earthlings. Maybe the full game will reveal something that clears out things.
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Is it possible for someone from the outside world to slip past the border into Gensokyo via locations like Hell, etc?
But isn't Heaven still inside the barrier like the Lunar Capital?
The barrier isolates Gensokyo from the outside world, and it's still possible to go in various locations from Gensokyo. Getting in Gensokyo from places like heaven or hell works the same way Gensokyan folks going there, so entering from other locations is pretty much entering through the back door.
Getting into the other locations is another matter, but their relationship with the outside world do not work the same as Gensokyo : for the netherworld, Renko once showed Merry a pictuare of the netherworld where they could see the outside world, and there was another time where Yuyuko kinda watched them in the outside world. There was a peculiar time in the night where it was supposedly possible to get into the netherworld but I don't remember it : maybe getting in these places follow some conditions. Then again, even if some random human manages to end in these locations in one way or another, nothing says he / she'll manage to reach Gensokyo by just walking there, so that's that.
There still should be locations where it won't be possible to get into Gensokyo, like satellite TORIFUNE, though...
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It seems I really need to read Maribel and Renko stuff again :V
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The barrier isolates Gensokyo from the outside world, and it's still possible to go in various locations from Gensokyo. Getting in Gensokyo from places like heaven or hell works the same way Gensokyan folks going there, so entering from other locations is pretty much entering through the back door.
Also sometimes it's like blowing up a wall to make your own backdoor. Like with how Yuyuko had to rip a hole between Gensokyo and the Netherworld herself to be able to steal spring from there.
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there's no reason for them to use non-lethal attacks against earthlings.
The jump of logic from "not allowed to be hit" to this is a bit too much. Maybe they DO have rules similar to danmaku on the Moon, except that you don't have any extra lives, and since heroines go to the moon, they'd have to play by those rules. Honestly, suddenly having actually lethal battles feels like going against the spirit of Touhou.
If you're not convinced, there's still no reason for attacks to be lethal. Maybe they're using paralyzing bullets :)
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The jump of logic from "not allowed to be hit" to this is a bit too much. Maybe they DO have rules similar to danmaku on the Moon, except that you don't have any extra lives, and since heroines go to the moon, they'd have to play by those rules. Honestly, suddenly having actually lethal battles feels like going against the spirit of Touhou.
If you're not convinced, there's still no reason for attacks to be lethal. Maybe they're using paralyzing bullets :)
I think it's pretty strongly implied that the Lunarians came here to kill us... or purify us in their words. From the prologue:
---The metallic spider's march of purification cannot be stopped.
The trees wither before one's eyes. Not one blade of grass was left in the spider's tracks.
When Gensokyo is completely purified, it will be transformed into a perfect world.
Into a beautiful planet with no life on it...
I guess it's possible that the danmaku is non-lethal, but they're already trying to purify us with the spider and they say you can't get hit even once, so it's not much of a jump to say the danmaku will kill the player as well.
EDIT: On the other hand, it is a bit hard to believe the Lunarians would dirty their hands with such casual killing, what with the whole impurity thing. On the other other hand, we haven't actually fought any Lunarians yet.
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Being careful of impurity is really on the moon. Lunarians have no issues killing people outside of the moon. Yorihime killed that crow in Silent Sinner in Blue and Toyohime threatened to level the forest. There is also that instance where they tried to execute Kaguya, but couldn't.
Also, is it true that any youkai outsider that enters Gensokyo will have knowledge of Spell Cards and the Spell Card Rules automatically imprinted on them? I've seen this mentioned before in Riverbed Soul Saver.
No mention of this, but this seems very unlikely. Silent Sinner in Blue heavily implies you need to tell your opponent what spell card rules are. And they don't necessarily have to follow it either.
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Im currently looking for a manga...
Its about Sakuya was just a orphan girl in the outside world stealing stuff by stopping time...
Later on she was found by Yukari and was sent to SDM...
There she was trained to be a maid by Remilia...
Tnx for the answer...
Also, im still looking for mangas of this kind...
Where the characters back story has been explained... like Rumia's Re:Birthday...
EDIT: Reason I posted it apart from the Q&A thread is that im looking for that just one answer and still going to continue to look for one...
If I violated any rules in this thread... pls spare me... :ohdear:
<Tengukami> Yeah, "looking for just that one answer", or looking for multiple answers, is what this thread is for. Merged.
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Would it be this one, Luna?
[nsfw]http://g.e-hentai.org/g/334251/f6d7452807/[/nsfw]
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tnx... thats exactly what im looking for...
Still, requesting for more of the same type...
where there backstories has been explained...
like how did they became a youkai or how did they end up in gensokyo or there dark past explained... :3
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When does ZUN usually release the jewel case of a Touhou game before its official full release?
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Ranges from two weeks to like a few days before. It's really just about the same time as any other circle announces their event work.
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Im looking for another manga again...
This time is about Marisa...
Marisa has awaken into a distant future where Alice and Patchy has mistaken her in turning into a Youkai...
At that time, there was already another generation Hakurei Shrine Maiden where she cant fly...
Also, Marisa have known the somewhere in the past, Reimu has gone absolute destruction to Youkai including the good ones...
So then Marisa trained in order to defeat Reimu, after the battle, Marisa accepted her fate and turned to Mima and also have repeat process...
Which is sending the current Marisa into the future...
Anyone know what title does this manga is...
Any answer would be nice... :)
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That would be the Jasper Star series from the circle, Hashiya.
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Tnx for answering... :3
Im currently reading the that manga now... tnx... :D
Now, im looking for a manga again...
Im not looking for a specific kind of manga this time...
Im now looking for suggestions...
The manga is about the outside world and gensokyo...
It can be either the Touhou cast is or are in the outside world...
Or Maribel and Renko are in gensokyo...
Any related answers are welcome... :)
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Not sure how to finds stuff like this, so I'm wondering:
Recently, the Minecraft con got the Guiness World record for largest ever for a single video game (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/gaming/minecon-2015-world-record-for-largest-convention-ever-for-a-single-video-game-10365856.html), which made me wonder; how big is Reitaisai? How many people attendee this convention?
(Since Touhou isn't a "single video game" I doubt it fits that specific record, but I think it's still interesting to see those numbers)
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Touhou already has a record as "most prolific shooting game series" or something like that.
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There is a total number of 52,000 normal attendees at the latest Reitaisai, which is the highest ever in its history according to official announcements on Niconico Live. (Source (https://twitter.com/kikiriri398/status/599472733919936512))
This is a pretty interesting fact as there's a decline in the number of participating circle spaces comparing to the past: 4,015 this year in comparison to the peak of 5,013 in Reitaisai 10 two years ago.
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Where does ZUN usually find the pictures and textures for his jewel cases and menu screens?
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Various texture/pattern collections, the vast majority being commercial collections. He has a ton of these that he picks from.
One example: 日本の伝統文様 CD-ROM素材250 (http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E3%81%AE%E4%BC%9D%E7%B5%B1%E6%96%87%E6%A7%98-CD-ROM%E7%B4%A0%E6%9D%90250-MdN-books-%E4%B8%AD%E6%9D%91/dp/484435812X)
Essentially the point is that he buys a bunch of these kinds of collections as to not pay vast amounts of royalties instead.
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Are there any popular Youtube (PewDiePie, Vinesauce, JonTron, etc.) gaming channels that has Touhou stuff, even if it's only one video?
Thanks in advance!
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Are there any popular Youtube (PewDiePie, Vinesauce, JonTron, etc.) gaming channels that has Touhou stuff, even if it's only one video?
I guess... raocow? He did play Super Marisa Land. I don't remember seeing these kinds of popular channels have Touhou stuff.
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Slowbeef got into shmups several months back and renounced several years of misplaced revulsion to Touhou (as games), if that counts for anything. He eventually 1cc'd SA Normal.
Touhou was passively referenced in Idea Channel's episode about bullet hells (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY-45DjRk_E).
Raocow's popularity has a pretty local scope and it already includes Touhou fans so I wouldn't count him.
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In one of Jerma's TF2 videos, one of the "Baby Shpees" featured in the video had the username "Yuyuko Saigyouji". Does that count? :V
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In one of Jerma's TF2 videos, one of the "Baby Shpees" featured in the video had the username "Yuyuko Saigyouji". Does that count? :V
Looking for videos that show stuff from it, so no.
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It was a joke :V
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Has there been any toys (action figures, Nendoroids, etc.) of Touhou 14 characters yet? I can't find any...
Thanks in advance!
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I know that this is quite morbid, but if Sakuya's knives couldn't cut Tenshi's skin, I wonder what might happen if she (Tenshi) was gassed, electrocuted, hanged, drowned or hit with a blunt object?
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I know that this is quite morbid, but if Sakuya's knives couldn't cut Tenshi's skin
Speaking of which, I always had the impression that it was just Sakuya's excuse for losing to Tenshi (since Sakuya defeated Tenshi before, and she certainly used her knives to do so). As in "i lost because of stupid knives that don't cut, not because she's better", or something like this.
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I know that this is quite morbid, but if Sakuya's knives couldn't cut Tenshi's skin, I wonder what might happen if she (Tenshi) was gassed, electrocuted, hanged, drowned or hit with a blunt object?
Celestial people's bodies are very sturdy compared to regular humans, so we can't be sure that whatever can seriously harm regular people work as efficiently on celestial people. Celestial people are also supposedly more or less poisonous to youkai while humans are delicious for them, so we can't say for sure that their bodies are the same inside(?) too. Anyway,the harmful stuff are usually about how damaging they are ;pain is irrelevant since she can withstand it, so :
Gassing and electrocuting : going by gameplay mechanics, Tenshi takes damages from Reisen's gas spellcard and Iku's lightning attacks like everyone else in the game, so these must work on her in one way or another since these deal some damage. Not sure if the gas itself'll harm her organism, body, nervous system or whatever, though ; and nothing is said about how electricity affect celestial folks's bodies. It should be less effective than when it's used on normal humans, though
Hanging and drowning : with a sturdy body like that, maybe nothing would break if she is hanged, so it'll be about how suffocating would affect her. She have a nose so maybe she breathes? so not being able to breath could be an issue. If breathing is not needed, then no problem
Hitting with a blunt object : pretty sure the blunt object would get hurt. The knives don't pierce her so these might as well be blunt objects, but these still deal some damage
Gameplay mechanism is a very cheap reference, but there's not a lot of information about how celestial people's bodies work, so... :X
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I assume the same laws governing damage to youkai apply to celestials, hermits and etc; the only thing that can really harm them are strong spiritual attacks. Just random physical damage would be entirely ineffective and would heal very quickly.
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Has there been any toys (action figures, Nendoroids, etc.) of Touhou 14 characters yet? I can't find any...
Thanks in advance!
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Thinking of every single game there is (other than Fairy wars I suppose), can you guys think of any case other than Youmu in PCB where a character has an "attack cut-in" when they use spellcards?
I guess there's also the Prismrivers and Stage 5 Nazrin, but other than that I suppose there's none, yes? I've seen some of it in a few fangames and it looks so cool during boss battles!
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I assume the same laws governing damage to youkai apply to celestials, hermits and etc; the only thing that can really harm them are strong spiritual attacks. Just random physical damage would be entirely ineffective and would heal very quickly.
Unlike Youkai, Hermits and Celestials are closer to humans on how they take damage. They generally don't actually have the same resistances that youkai have. So, physical attacks can usually inflict damage on them.
Speaking of which, I always had the impression that it was just Sakuya's excuse for losing to Tenshi (since Sakuya defeated Tenshi before, and she certainly used her knives to do so). As in "i lost because of stupid knives that don't cut, not because she's better", or something like this.
The first time any of the characters face Tenshi, she was playing the bad guy. So, even if the attacks have no real effect, she was probably pretending to get beaten. Sakuya probably realized this when Tenshi was a bit more serious the second time around.
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I know that this is quite morbid, but if Sakuya's knives couldn't cut Tenshi's skin, I wonder what might happen if she (Tenshi) was gassed, electrocuted, hanged, drowned or hit with a blunt object?
Speaking of which, I always had the impression that it was just Sakuya's excuse for losing to Tenshi (since Sakuya defeated Tenshi before, and she certainly used her knives to do so). As in "i lost because of stupid knives that don't cut, not because she's better", or something like this.
Actually, I'm more interested in which girls can no-sell Sakuya's knives as easily as Tenshi.
From this fact we know that Sakuya lacks in strength, so even with her time stop, she don't have much options against opponent with though skin/defenses. So who do you think can do the same thing?
Though since we can't measure the toughness of Tenshi's skin, it may be hard to pick out the candidates other than Oni Devas (I assume so and it seems likely, I don't think it is ever mentioned) and Byakuren with enhancements (said to be tougher than steel in SoPM and so far I don't see any reason to doubt it).
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Unlike Youkai, Hermits and Celestials are closer to humans on how they take damage. They generally don't actually have the same resistances that youkai have. So, physical attacks can usually inflict damage on them.
And this information comes from...?
Akyuu doesn't comment on celestials' physical resilence on PMiSS, but says that "it is said" that hermits have bodies that "are tougher than steel". It stands to reason that celestials, being basically just a "higher" hermit, would be similar or stronger. But other than that and Tenshi's resistance to Sakuya's knives, we don't have any info on how easily they take damage.
I based my statement merely on the fact that they, like youkai, are spiritual creatures. It could go either way, I guess, but there isn't really anything indicating which would be more likely.
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And this information comes from...?
Akyuu doesn't comment on celestials' physical resilence on PMiSS, but says that "it is said" that hermits have bodies that "are tougher than steel". It stands to reason that celestials, being basically just a "higher" hermit, would be similar or stronger. But other than that and Tenshi's resistance to Sakuya's knives, we don't have any info on how easily they take damage.
I based my statement merely on the fact that they, like youkai, are spiritual creatures. It could go either way, I guess, but there isn't really anything indicating which would be more likely.
This is more generic youkai knowledge over any touhou reference. Youkai are practically immune to physical attacks because of what they are. They are made from beliefs, so physical attacks have little to no effect on them.
Hermits aren't in this category. Hermits are humans or youkai (to a lesser extent) who have done extensive meditation on their path to enlightenment. They are generally very strong because of their practice, but they aren't made of something different like youkai. So, most hermits are more like very well trained humans, super tough, super strong, but still human. Same strength and weaknesses of a human, except less so than a human, since they are simply tougher.
Celestial's bodies are even tougher than hermits because they ate heavenly peaches, as mentioned by Tenshi. That said, nothing states they are any different from humans, just that they are much much tougher.
I am unsure if a celestial is affected by spiritual attacks any more so than a regular human is. That said, a hermit is definitely not affected by spiritual attacks more than a human, since most of them are humans.
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Has this chinese fan touhou (pc-98) book already come out?
- https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/1923999
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This is more generic youkai knowledge over any touhou reference. Youkai are practically immune to physical attacks because of what they are. They are made from beliefs, so physical attacks have little to no effect on them.
Hermits aren't in this category. Hermits are humans or youkai (to a lesser extent) who have done extensive meditation on their path to enlightenment. They are generally very strong because of their practice, but they aren't made of something different like youkai. So, most hermits are more like very well trained humans, super tough, super strong, but still human. Same strength and weaknesses of a human, except less so than a human, since they are simply tougher.
Celestial's bodies are even tougher than hermits because they ate heavenly peaches, as mentioned by Tenshi. That said, nothing states they are any different from humans, just that they are much much tougher.
I am unsure if a celestial is affected by spiritual attacks any more so than a regular human is. That said, a hermit is definitely not affected by spiritual attacks more than a human, since most of them are humans.
Hm. You do have a point. And in the absence of other evidence, I think your explanation seems more logical.
Though it should be noted that there is an element of the supernatural for hermits as well. "Training" alone can't really explain humans surviving by eating only morning mist, giving a youkai a power-up if they are eaten by them, or living for hundreds or thousands of years. This doesn't really make them youkai-like beings, as you said, but I imagine that belief could affect their abilities to some extent.
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This is a question probably nobody knows how to answer, but I will still give it a shot. Does anyone know what software was used to make Labyrinth of Touhou 1's music?
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The music for that game was made by like 4 different, probably completely unrelated people. You should also be more specific. Which tracks stood out the most for you? Do you want to know which synthesizers were used or which DAW was used to compose and mix the music?
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Which tracks stood out the most for you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fZpKvamPgU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9Z9qEqzrp4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8swFt8av28
Do you want to know which synthesizers were used or which DAW was used to compose and mix the music?
Knowing both would be pretty helpful. But I'm more interested on the DAW.
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<Tengukami> Please stop the self-bumping. If no one answered the first two times, no one knows or wants to answer.
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As of late, there has been a rumor going around that ZUN composed quite a few Kantai Collection soundtracks, such as this (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SIe0rUTtf2I) and numerous other Spring 2014 BGMs. Could anyone possibly confirm if ZUN indeed was involved in these soundtracks?
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I saw a Chinese made MOBA game with multiple Touhou characters (and at least 15 other stolen IPs) and would like to know if anyone here knows how or can get in touch with TSA
I would like to bring that game to ZUN's attention, and hopefully he will take legal measures to protect his IP
I do not speak or read Japanese, and will likely require help with that as well
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I saw a Chinese made MOBA game with multiple Touhou characters (and at least 15 other stolen IPs) and would like to know if anyone here knows how or can get in touch with TSA
I would like to bring that game to ZUN's attention, and hopefully he will take legal measures to protect his IP
I do not speak or read Japanese, and will likely require help with that as well
Oh yeah, 300 Heroes. What a hilarious game, it rips off absolutely everything. That game is still around?
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Oh yeah, 300 Heroes. What a hilarious game, it rips off absolutely everything. That game is still around?
Yes, it is still around
No clue how its possible that no one has sued them to hell yet
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The music for that game was made by like 4 different, probably completely unrelated people.
I managed to extract the DXA files containing the music, it seems that they just collected a bunch of songs and used it as the sound track for the first version, the second version seems to have been made by the developers for the game.
Oh yeah, 300 Heroes. What a hilarious game, it rips off absolutely everything.
I wonder if you can play as S.T.A.L.K.E.R. characters on there.
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I'm trying to recall a doujin about Yuuka I read a long time ago. It changed her backstory so she was a relatively normal human(?) that gained the ability to hear or talk to flowers or something. She became crazy because she would always hear flowers no matter what and went on a killing spree. Does anyone know the name of this doujin?
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I'm trying to recall a doujin about Yuuka I read a long time ago. It changed her backstory so she was a relatively normal human(?) that gained the ability to hear or talk to flowers or something. She became crazy because she would always hear flowers no matter what and went on a killing spree. Does anyone know the name of this doujin?
That'd be Tohonifun's [Yuka vs Yukari]. The doujin's title speak for itself, but the little backstory about Yuka is in there.
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That'd be Tohonifun's [Yuka vs Yukari]. The doujin's title speak for itself, but the little backstory about Yuka is in there.
Oh sweet, so that's what it was. Thanks!
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Has ZUN ever said anything regarding everything related to yukkuris?
And how do you translate this: 外連味フィクサー
That's the title of a remix of Sekibanki's theme, mind you. I only know that the kanji part is "Fixer."
Thanks in advance!
And regarding 300 Heroes, I read that you cannot sue China for plagiarism.
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can anyone find this version of the song? ive been looking for ages: https://youtu.be/kddayefn79I?t=11
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Are all the spells in GFW capturable without freezing? I heard it's doable but pretty hard so I'm not sure.
If some of the spells are uncapturable, wouldn't that mean that the fairies are breaking the spell card rules? As only Cirno and Letty (?) would be able to freeze the bullets, Reimu and Marisa would have to bomb their way through or something.
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Has ZUN ever said anything regarding everything related to yukkuris?
In Slient Sinner In Blue, a character said "The Rocket is not taking it easy!" or something like that.
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In Slient Sinner In Blue, a character said "The Rocket is not taking it easy!" or something like that.
Yeah, I'm aware about that. I was thinking if he said anything else and want to know if he commented on the... *gasp* abuse fandom.
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Are all the spells in GFW capturable without freezing? I heard it's doable but pretty hard so I'm not sure.
If some of the spells are uncapturable, wouldn't that mean that the fairies are breaking the spell card rules? As only Cirno and Letty (?) would be able to freeze the bullets, Reimu and Marisa would have to bomb their way through or something.
Yes, they're "capturable", for some definition of capturable. As for the second thing, the bullet patterns in GFW are canonically exaggerated because they're seen from Cirno's perspective (see in-game manual).
Yeah, I'm aware about that. I was thinking if he said anything else and want to know if he commented on the... *gasp* abuse fandom.
ZUN doesn't really delve into fandoms much. I'm not even sure if he's particularly aware of yukkuri abuse existing beyond a few comics.
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In Slient Sinner In Blue, a character said "The Rocket is not taking it easy!" or something like that.
IIRC, "Take it easy!" was in EoSD (or at least, long before SSiB. The wiki states it somewhere but it's been so long since I put it in the wiki that I forget where) before Yukkuris existed. Yukkuris took "Take it easy" from Touhou, not the other way around.
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What if somebody caught a fairy and wanted to keep her as a sort of pet?
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I was wondering if it's possible to play touhou game on Linux platform... even if the official games does not seem to support it?
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I'm guessing Wine would be your best bet. Some games might glitch but I don't think there is any other way of playing them.
EDIT : Well, would you look at that (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Running_in_Linux_and_Mac_OS_X).
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What if somebody caught a fairy and wanted to keep her as a sort of pet?
Fairies are the playful kind, so they could tag along if they find it fun (like Orin's "zombie" fairies), or they might just simply leave (they shouldn't have some sort of attachment to some random person who just caught them anyway). They are not the smartest creatures around and are pretty curious, so getting them doing various stuff might be okay, but since they are not very diligent and tend to act on their own, they shouldn't be very reliable. The "owner"'s patience becomes relevant too, since he / she might get tired and let the fairy go away, besides, catching and releasing fairies is a thing.
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I was wondering if it's possible to play touhou game on Linux platform... even if the official games does not seem to support it?
Living proof here that yes, you can. I can play all the games without any issues - save for SWR but I don't care for fighting games anyway. You will need to use WINE. I use 1.7.44 and have no problems playing the oldest to the most recent.
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ZUN doesn't really delve into fandoms much. I'm not even sure if he's particularly aware of yukkuri abuse existing beyond a few comics.
Why is it that fans tend to say that developers have no idea about anything going on in the fandom? It's not just for this series, mind you. Is there actually a basis for this belief?
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Why is it that fans tend to say that developers have no idea about anything going on in the fandom? It's not just for this series, mind you. Is there actually a basis for this belief?
I'm not so sure, but I know for sure that it's often untrue for indie developers. Edmund McMillen and kupogames are two examples I can name.
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Why is it that fans tend to say that developers have no idea about anything going on in the fandom? It's not just for this series, mind you. Is there actually a basis for this belief?
In general this would just come from developers in a large company not having the perspective to be able to acknowledge fan-stuff, just by sitting isolated in some company. You also have to consider what member of a development team you're talking about, and there are many influential people not involved in direct development at all. Even then, it isn't necessarily because one person was unaware of fan-stuff, but that as an aggregate for the dev team, fan-stuff isn't known about or is ignored. Do they even want to care about "fandom"?
As said above, it's often untrue for indie developers, since the above doesn't really apply and they're usually much more receptive and involved with their audience.
However, at the level of popularity and breadth of fanmade content as Touhou, I'd think it would be difficult to follow. Moreover, for ZUN specifically, he says more often than not that he doesn't indulge too much in fanworks, even the games.
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I know that some developers and writers stay away from fanworks because they're worried about legal repercussions, since if the fanwork so much as seeps into official work even subconsciously, or even if an official work happens to resemble a fanwork by pure coincidence, copyright issues can emerge so being able to say "I don't look at fanworks at all" is a good legal defense. The director of Frozen told her fans that she specifically could not and would not look at anyones' proposed story ideas for a sequel due to that. That probably wouldn't apply to an indie developer as much though.
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Is Utsuho's age ever stated in Touhou?
Fairies are the playful kind, so they could tag along if they find it fun (like Orin's "zombie" fairies), or they might just simply leave (they shouldn't have some sort of attachment to some random person who just caught them anyway).
I guess it would depend on how they were caught. Fairies don't ask for much either (IIRC, the fairy maids in the SDM just get free room and board).
They are not the smartest creatures around and are pretty curious, so getting them doing various stuff might be okay, but since they are not very diligent and tend to act on their own, they shouldn't be very reliable.
I would presume that they would enjoy simple games. I wonder if I could train one to play an FPS?
I know that some developers and writers stay away from fanworks because they're worried about legal repercussions, since if the fanwork so much as seeps into official work even subconsciously, or even if an official work happens to resemble a fanwork by pure coincidence, copyright issues can emerge so being able to say "I don't look at fanworks at all" is a good legal defense.
There was a novel writer who was sued because he used an idea that sounded a lot like a fan idea (I forget the name, though).
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Is Utsuho's age ever stated in Touhou?
No.
As for ZUN's stance on fanworks, he's repeatedly said in interviews and stuff that he doesn't really pay any attention to it. It's not just an assumption.
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No.
As for ZUN's stance on fanworks, he's repeatedly said in interviews and stuff that he doesn't really pay any attention to it. It's not just an assumption.
Didn't he said once that there are some fanworks that he liked, but didn't give names to not be unfair to the others?
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It's just that I sometimes get the impression that people are saying developers don't use the internet or live under rocks.
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Time for outrageous levels of hair-splitting?
So, in my efforts to provide succinct interpretations of the games' main titles (to be used for stuff related to what's discussed here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16752.msg1192566.html#msg1192566)), I have a pretty good idea of what to use for most titles, even if some become a bit awkward. The actual problem comes from Touhou Hisouten and how it's currently translated.
緋想天 is individually just three kanji which, without context, would end up with like "red thought sky". The first, 緋, refers to a couple of things, among them being Tenshi's sword (緋想の剣) along with its color, Iku's title (美しき緋の衣), "Scarlet" Weather Rhapsody, whatever. Obviously using "scarlet" makes sense. The next, 想, refers most likely to the Buddhist term sa??a, and is usually translated as "perception". Now, the current translations for 緋想天 use "Sky of Scarlet Perception" which kind of falls flat with the last kanji. This is because these three kanji are used all over the game in various ways, all essentially referring to the same thing. First off, 緋想 is pretty much wordplay on 非想, as 緋 contains 非 (and consequently is pronounced the same). ZUN interchanges these everywhere, too (非想天 is even used in Yuyuko's final stage title). So we can look at 非想天 being the same, which ends up being a shortening of 非想非非想天 ("the heaven of not perception and not not perception"), which is a term for Bhavaagra that's also used in Tenshi's title (非想非非想天の娘). More commonly though it's called 有頂天 (wiki (https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/有頂天)), which is Japan's direct translation of Bhavaagra ("the peak of existence heaven"), and that's considered to be where you fight Tenshi.
All that being said, I think it's profoundly clear 緋想天 refers exactly to 1. the "scarlet" theme, and 2. Bhavaagra. So, using "Heaven" for 天 is also the clear choice, which would make the short name for 緋想天 "Scarlet Perception Heaven". It's also worth an explanation on the wiki by itself.
Now, one problem with this is that we get the same situation as with Yuyuko's theme and Utsuho's theme, where both 緋想天 and 東方緋想天 are used as music titles, and changing them kind of screws over music title searching if you get it from the wiki. I think it's justified, but that's me.
I guess my "question" is just... "Thoughts?"
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As it's a more accurate translation, I'd say to go for it.
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Not sure if this has been asked before
What makes ZUNpet sound good?
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That's a... confusing question. Can you elaborate? If you like a specific timbre that means it sounds good to you, there's not a whole lot to explain.
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All that being said, I think it's profoundly clear 緋想天 refers exactly to 1. the "scarlet" theme, and 2. Bhavaagra. So, using "Heaven" for 天 is also the clear choice, which would make the short name for 緋想天 "Scarlet Perception Heaven". It's also worth an explanation on the wiki by itself.
I think it sounds better when ordered as "Heaven of Scarlet Perception".
Part of me wants to translate 緋 as a different shade from EoSD's 紅, but a larger part says that would be dumb when the subtitle has "Scarlet" in English.
As for 想, the Wikipedia page on saṃj?ā (Mahayana section) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sa%E1%B9%83j%C3%B1%C4%81) describes it as noticing a specific trait of something and giving significance to it - that makes it sound like "perception" refers primarily to Tenshi's sword drawing out aspects of peoples' personalities and manifesting them as weather (which is also scarlet mist, hence "scarlet perception"), so there might be a better word for it.
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Same here, EoSD' "Scarlet" vs SWR "Scarlet" bugs me a bit, but both are used in official titles so there's no helping that.
I also think "Heaven of Scarlet Perception" works better for music titles. The "Scarlet Perception Heaven" order I was suggesting only for the game title rubytext, where the kanji order is relevant.
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I was just reminded of something I was supposed to connect before but never did.
So, I think it's pretty well-established at this point that Eirin is supposed to be Omoikane. In CiLR 1, Eirin explains that the Watatsuki sisters are distant relatives of hers; "one was the wife of a grandnephew of mine, while the other was married to the son of another grandnephew". I had always meant to explicitly connect the dots here.
First of all, I'm going to change this translation since it isn't "another" grandnephew, it's the same guy. With the clean assumption that Toyohime and Yorihime are supposed to be Toyotamahime and Tamayorihime respectively, it's actually that this "grandnephew" is Hoori. Hoori married Toyotamahime, and they had a child (Ugayafukiaezu) who later married Tamayorihime, which fits the above narrative.
Hoori is the son of Ninigi and Konohanasakuyahime (who you may also know as the one who cut Yatsugatake). Konohanasakuyahime is herself descended from Ooyamatsumi, who apparently came from Izanagi before his cleansing (which spawned Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susanoo, among many others). Ninigi on the other hand came from Amenooshihomimi and Yorozuhatahime. Amenooshihomimi came from Amaterasu, which as said above came from Izanagi. Yorozuhatahime came from Takamimusuhi, who is one of the three kami of creation. It's extra confusing since Takamimusuhi did some stuff, then left existence and reappeared generations later to have Yorozuhatahime -- but before they "hid", they created Omoikane. So to follow all this back down, Omoikane is a sibling of Yorozuhatahime, whose child is Ninigi, whose child is Hoori, who married Toyotamahime.
So essentially what Eirin did with this quote is further confirm her identity (along with the Watatsukis), but also troll a whole lot because the Shinto kami genealogy is convoluted as fuck and there were a ton of other ways she could have stated their relationship.
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...So the sisters are their own in-laws. And these inbreeders are supposed to be "pure"? (I know things like that aren't included in kegare, but still...)
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...So the sisters are their own in-laws. And these inbreeders are supposed to be "pure"? (I know things like that aren't included in kegare, but still...)
Zeus married his own sister. It's a god thing.
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I recently stumbled across a collection of royalty-free yuzen patterns (http://www.amazon.co.jp/The-Yuzen-Japanese-Paper-Royalty/dp/486100313X). ZUN uses tons of pattern collections like this to begin with, so it's not surprising that the pattern on the front cover is the one used for LoLK's CD case (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/File:Th15front.jpg). I would guess there's more patterns in there that he's used besides the cover one, too.
But, uh, upon looking at the book's web preview... it turned out that there's fine print saying "no commercial use of any kind" (http://oi58.tinypic.com/2iowzk.jpg) in the back pages. Should this be cause for concern? I mean, it's entirely possible that ZUN just bought a usage license or something and there's no problem, but...
edit: then again there's no guarantee the pattern in question is even unique to this book, so
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I recently stumbled across a collection of royalty-free yuzen patterns (http://www.amazon.co.jp/The-Yuzen-Japanese-Paper-Royalty/dp/486100313X). ZUN uses tons of pattern collections like this to begin with, so it's not surprising that the pattern on the front cover is the one used for LoLK's CD case (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/File:Th15front.jpg). I would guess there's more patterns in there that he's used besides the cover one, too.
But, uh, upon looking at the book's web preview... it turned out that there's fine print saying "no commercial use of any kind" (http://oi58.tinypic.com/2iowzk.jpg) in the back pages. Should this be cause for concern? I mean, it's entirely possible that ZUN just bought a usage license or something and there's no problem, but...
edit: then again there's no guarantee the pattern in question is even unique to this book, so
I'm sure doujin works generally aren't considered commercial, even when they're sold for a price.
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What does the "MG" seen when talking to Ringo means?
Thanks in advance!
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I'm sure doujin works generally aren't considered commercial, even when they're sold for a price.
Oh, right. Duh. Don't know why I didn't remember that.
What does the "MG" seen when talking to Ringo means?
Thanks in advance!
Shorthand for the onomatopoeia 'mogu mogu', which is pretty much the Japanese equivalent of 'om nom'.
edit: vvv Yyyyeah, that. I tried to avoid directly calling attention to it since, like you said, it's definitely someone trying to stir shit up, but oh well :V
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There's a stink being risen about this; I don't think it's cut and dry.
Here's the relevant text (http://anond.hatelabo.jp/20150809224340) I'm sure you're talking about, but the author's tone is definitely one that's intending to stir up shit. Somebody in the comments wrote:
「誠実に対応することを望みます」なのに、なんで権利者側は問い合わせるのに、使用者側には一切問い合わせないで憶測を垂れ流すんだろう？事態の解決より炎上が目的に見える
Which is basically "you claim to want an honest dialogue but instead you contacted only the rights-holder and not ZUN, while you publicize all this; your goal instead seems to be to bat flames and make wild speculations". Many other commenters agree the author seems inappropriately self-important throughout, parading their own sense of justice.
Additionally they assume that all of ZUN's materials using these sorts of patterns are from this book when that is demonstrably not the case. In other words, don't bother paying much attention to this, it's pretty much junk unless something more formal actually comes of it, and it isn't worth pointing at.
EDIT: oops my bad
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Good evening all.
Tonight I would like to bring to your attention a question which has been troubling me as of late.
Well, then, let's get to it,
The scenario is that a modern day human manages to wander into Gensokyo through a weak point in the Great Hakurei Barrier. He has no prior knowledge of anything relating to Touhou, he is human but unaffiliated with the human village. Would they be able to befriend the denizens of Gensokyo? Would they be able to integrate themselves into the various groups within Gensokyo?
Would they be able to help out around the Scarlet Devil Mansion, helping Patchy keep the library organized, helping the gatekeeper pass the time, aiding Sakuya with the chores, and perhaps even donating some blood for the Scarlet Sisters to be able to enjoy a meal that is more palatable to them? Would they be able to visit the Netherworld, to see to it that Yuyuko and Youmu are fairing well? Visit the Underworld to show the Komeiji sisters that not all humans would shun/fear them for their powers? Visit Eintei for an audience with her highness? Help Alice with spring cleaning? Donate to the Hakurei Shrine? Share a drink with the Oni? Attempt to show Medicine Melancholy that there are good humans out there? Maybe even get lucky enough to hold an audience with the almighty Yukari-Sama? Do this to and that as well and all these other wonderful things
... Or would they make for an easy snack for a hungry Youkai?
tl;dr - is it dumb to think that Gensokyo would be this marvelous place when in reality I would be hated there as well and probably killed?
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...So the sisters are their own in-laws. And these inbreeders are supposed to be "pure"? (I know things like that aren't included in kegare, but still...)
Wasn't inbreeding a common practice among the nobility and royalty to keep the blood pure? Not sure what the Asian countries thought about royal blood purity. Seeing as the conception of new gods seem to be more of a ceremonial purpose rather than actually having offspring via genes, might not be a problem.
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Good evening all.
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Akyuu says that humans that fall into Gensokyo from the Outside World and manage to reach the Human Village can settle there if they want, though most prefer to go back home (which is possible by going to the Hakurei Shrine). She also mentions that outside world humans are valued for the knowledge they have of places beyond Gensokyo, so it seems that they are well treated there.
Differently from the humans from the village, though, youkai are apparently free to kill them with no repercussions (going by the fact that Akyuu says that this is the fate of most outsiders). So unless they are a very charming individual that can convince a human-eating monster to not devour them, they'd be better off going back to the outside world or never leaving the village.
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Is there a reason why English speakers don't call Eientei "House of Eternity," Hakugyokurou "Tower of White Jade," and Makai "Demon World (and maybe some other locations)?" I don't see people calling the Scarlet Devil Mansion by its Japanese name "Koumakan," so why do people stick to Japanese names for the others?
I'm thinking of wanting to call them by their English names from now on.
Thanks in advance!
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It's a case-by-case basis. The tendency is to not translate place names that are formal titles, or are terms that have extra meaning, or who would lose meaning in translation. Meanwhile places whose names are merely descriptions are translated, unless the translation would become ambiguous or are too tricky.
For example, Muenzuka is called Muenzuka because it's an actual term for graves of those who have nobody to visit them and mourn. Makai is kept Makai because although it might as well just be a description, translating it as something like "Demon World" could invite future ambiguity. At some point we used to call Makai "Hell" but also call Jigoku "Hell", plus we have a handful of more "Hell"s now, plus Hokkai inside of Makai. Relatedly, calling Tenkai "Heaven" is only feasible because Tenkai is already a collection of many places, so it's appropriate.
Kourindou and Suzunaan are formal titles, and Eientei is usually (but arguably) seen as a title as well. Meanwhile Koumakan is generally thought of as a description but also kind of a title, so it's like "the Scarlet Devil's Mansion" title-ized into Scarlet Devil Mansion.
Hakugyokurou in particular has significance for being a legendary place where famous poets and writers are whisked away to when they die. The name was chosen due to it residing in the Netherworld, and also due to the story of the Saigyou Ayakashi. Notice how it isn't actually a tower.
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Makai is kept Makai because although it might as well just be a description, translating it as something like "Demon World" could invite future ambiguity.
Makai is translated/localized as "Demon World" in certain medias, like Disgaea.
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With LoLK, we now have Th14 -> 14.3 -> 14.5 -> 15.
Has ZUN said something about this numeration, considering we already have Th12 -> 12.3 -> 12.5 -> 12.8 -> 13?
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No, but here's a hint: Not everyone is obsessed with patterns and numbers.
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Got a question about the wiki. Is it typical for a game's wiki page's English Patch entry to lead to an incomplete/in progress patch, despite the text saying that "complete translations" are available at the link? Referring to LoLK in particular. I realize it takes time to make a patch, but shouldn't a claim like "click here for a complete translated patch" wait until the patch is actually done?
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That was referring to the translation status of the trial version, it's just that people forgot about that part of the article after the game was released. You're more than welcome to correct any obvious errors you see in the wiki.
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Good to know! Was just curious on protocol, and your explanation makes sense.
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Akyuu says that humans that fall into Gensokyo from the Outside World and manage to reach the Human Village can settle there if they want, though most prefer to go back home (which is possible by going to the Hakurei Shrine). She also mentions that outside world humans are valued for the knowledge they have of places beyond Gensokyo, so it seems that they are well treated there.
Differently from the humans from the village, though, youkai are apparently free to kill them with no repercussions (going by the fact that Akyuu says that this is the fate of most outsiders). So unless they are a very charming individual that can convince a human-eating monster to not devour them, they'd be better off going back to the outside world or never leaving the village.
Hm... I can live with that. Thank you kindly ^^
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Is there an official soundtrack for Memories of Phantasm? I like their rendition of Lunar Clock ~ Luna Dial, Locked Girl ~ The Girl's Secret Room and The Maid and the Pocket Watch of Blood.
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Since this thread's been used to field wiki-related translation questions as of late, I was wondering if anyone could give their thoughts on a small issue? It's, like, hair-splitting level, but nonetheless: Should terms like "Lunar Capital" and "Human Village" be capitalized or not? I figured it'd be okay since they're practically used as formal titles already, and since the locations in question are the lunar capital and the human village (it's not as if there's any others around) but apparently this is not a universal opinion.
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Why is Reimu sometimes portrayed as a starving shrine maiden? She's stopped major dilemmas, but everyone is like 'We're not recognizing your efforts to keep Gensokyo safe'
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Because fandoms love to exaggerate characters, basically.
More serious answer, she doesn't get very good publicity among Gensokyo's human population, and thus not many donations, because youkai tend to hang out at her shrine. However, she is still able to maintain the shrine (and herself) at least at a basic level, different from what the fanon portrays.
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She was actively doing some jobs in FS and WaHH though (fortune-telling, youkai-fox hunting), plus there are various festivals like the one where she almost got the shrine burned down. I'm sure she gets decent money for those things.
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Also, Yukari was once shown sneakily dropping money in the shrine's donation box (it was in one of the Three Fairies manga, don't remember which), so it's likely that even if she didn't make any money, Yukari wouldn't let her starve.
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I figured it'd be okay since they're practically used as formal titles already, and since the locations in question are the lunar capital and the human village (it's not as if there's any others around) but apparently this is not a universal opinion.
They aren't titles, so I would say no.
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Since this thread's been used to field wiki-related translation questions as of late, I was wondering if anyone could give their thoughts on a small issue? It's, like, hair-splitting level, but nonetheless: Should terms like "Lunar Capital" and "Human Village" be capitalized or not? I figured it'd be okay since they're practically used as formal titles already, and since the locations in question are the lunar capital and the human village (it's not as if there's any others around) but apparently this is not a universal opinion.
I've always taken care to try and capitalize because I think they probably should be, similarly to the Forest of Magic, but obviously not everyone is going to bother capitalizing in all instances. Basically every location's name in Touhou is used as a title though (exceptions being like "Marisa's house"); I don't see why these would be any different. Lunar Capital is probably a slightly stronger case than Human Village, since otherwise we probably wouldn't call it "Lunar Capital" at all but rather something like the Moon's capital.
Makai is translated/localized as "Demon World" in certain medias, like Disgaea.
Sure, but Disgaea also revolves around "Demons", so that name is apt. We don't even have much of a reason to call anything from Makai "demon" besides a stage title using "devil" and ZUN using the term 魔物 in the prologue (and then never again). And that was back in PC98 when ZUN used several different terms for enemies (人間でない何か, 妖怪, 悪霊, 悪魔, 化け物, etc) -- we have no such things in the Windows series' use of Makai. Makai seems to be about magic ("魔法") more than anything else in both MS and UFO. I don't really have a problem with calling it Demon World, but there doesn't seem to be much of a reason to at this point, especially when we have Hokkai in it too.
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Are all the "classic" Japanese gods Lunarians? If not, is there a location analogous the Japanese "heaven" (as in, the dwelling place of the gods)?
I ask because several stories talk about heaven sending various characters to Earth, such as Ninigi, Kirin, or the Yatagarasu. So if the moon is touhou's version of heaven, that would mean Lunarians send these characters which seems odd to me.
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Are all the "classic" Japanese gods Lunarians? If not, is there a location analogous the Japanese "heaven" (as in, the dwelling place of the gods)?
I ask because several stories talk about heaven sending various characters to Earth, such as Ninigi, Kirin, or the Yatagarasu. So if the moon is touhou's version of heaven, that would mean Lunarians send these characters which seems odd to me.
As I just pointed out in the LoLK thread, the Amatsukami (heavenly gods) seem to be closely related to the moon. In the past year or so this has become clearer to me, particularly due to various connections clicking like the story of Chang'e ascending back to the moon and/or to heaven depending on the version, the same going for Kaguya-hime, and the genealogies of Eirin and the Watatsukis.
One big step was understanding ZUN's statements in SoPM's interview; first he states that there are factions among gods, separating the moon's gods and the earth's gods. In fact these are meant to represent the Amatsukami (heavenly gods; the "highest and noblest") and Kunitsukami (earthly gods), and looking at SSiB and the gods Yorihime summons makes this extremely obvious. Moreover, he casually notes that Eirin is one of them, and at the time it seemed somewhat odd and relevatory, but really if people grasped this whole notion earlier, along with Eirin representing Omoikane (another heavenly god) this would have been a no-brainer.
Secondly, his mention that the Dragon King's Palace (previously noted to be related to the Celestials from SWR) does exist and is in fact the Lunar Capital, also plays into this. There is the story of Mizue no Uranoshimako, from CiLR 3. Since the Dragon King's Palace is supposed to be of Ryuujin, who is Owatasumi, progenitor of the Watatsukis, it is extremely fitting that Uranoshimako was told by Toyohime he had come to the Dragon King's Palace. The relationship of the moon and the Heaven "in Gensokyo" becomes a bit clearer when you just smudge together the Buddhist "Heaven" (which we see with SWR) with the Shinto "heaven" (i.e. the Moon): they're connected by this shared sense of heaven, giving the rather strange notion of having the Dragon King's Palace be related to both. There's also SWR's endings where Eirin explains the formation of Heaven from the perspective of the Amatsukami, which happened before Eirin's time. Like I had said a few pages back, the exact relation ZUN is making between the two "heaven"s is unclear (especially since the moon isn't actually referred to as heaven), but that's what's going on.
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Sanae's ending in LoLK specifically says that the moon is inhabited by the Amatsukami, and that the Lunarians planning to invade Gensokyo is analogous to when Nigini descended to Earth. So, yes, it's quite explicit that they're the same thing.
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Does Aya have wings or not?
http://tinyurl.com/ngwpw98
That link says ZUN says no, but she is shown with wings in an official artwork there...
Thanks in advance!
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ZUN never draws her with wings, but she sometimes appears with them in official art by other artists. So... she doesn't normally have wings, but sometimes does? I think the simplest explanation is that she can make wings appear if she feels like it, but it's more like a weird art inconsistency.
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Hatate also had wings in the cover of SoPM. I guess guest artists just like to give crow tengu wings and ZUN just doesn't object.
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If Luna Child and Sunny Milk are weaker when their source of light is not visible, then would they be equally strong if they were in space? Also, would Luna be strongest if she was on the Moon itself?
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Logic would say that the answer to these questions is "yes", but we can't be 100% sure because they never left the Earth in canon.
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Is it possible for a human who dropped into Gensokyo from the outside world to gain a special ability because she has a reputation for being a "legend" where she came from?
Let's say Michael Bay's had enough of critics panning his films and decides to commit suicide. In doing so, he lands on the Road of Reconsideration. Is it possible that he might suddenly find himself able to cause inanimate objects to spontaneously explode?
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Being famous makes one not suited to be a resident of Gensokyo, for the simple fact that they are not forgotten and their existence has not being denied (and not everyone can suicide and cheat death like a shikaisen, or becomes a ghost like Yuyuko). This is also why we don't have people that are actually known to have existed as characters.
As for Bay, in the (impossible) chance he ends in Gensokyo, he would probably develop an ability like "showing illusionary explosions", because no one actually believes he makes things explode for real.
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Alright then. Looks like I'll have to be rewriting my character.
Also, would the ghosts of famous people (e.g. Frederick the Great) be able to find their way into and exist in Gensokyo?
Lastly, is Gensokyo accessible by the Bermuda Triangle?
Just some things I need to clear for writing my fan story.
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Is it possible for a human who dropped into Gensokyo from the outside world to gain a special ability because she has a reputation for being a "legend" where she came from?
Let's say Michael Bay's had enough of critics panning his films and decides to commit suicide. In doing so, he lands on the Road of Reconsideration. Is it possible that he might suddenly find himself able to cause inanimate objects to spontaneously explode?
I think the setting you're looking for is Fate/stay night, but even then "Michael Bay, Explosion God" would only really work as a joke Servant.
Also, would the ghosts of famous people (e.g. Frederick the Great) be able to find their way into and exist in Gensokyo?
The man died in 1786. Japan's borders were closed from 1633 to 1853. Gensokyo was created in 1885. Your story is presumably set in 2015. Why on Earth would such a long-lived ghost travel to Japan of all places, and why now? There should still be enough belief in ghosts that his existence isn't under any sort of threat; even if there wasn't, he could just live in one of Europe's many mythical realms (with which he would be far more familiar). Never mind that, as a ghost, he's likely bound to his homeland in some way.
Lastly, is Gensokyo accessible by the Bermuda Triangle?
Gensokyo doesn't have an ocean, so you'd be more likely to end up on the Moon.
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You're assuming people "gain" abilities from landing in Gensokyo, which so far has not been the case at all. Every character shown has either always had their abilities (Miko, for instance, was always capable of hearing a person's ten desires, long before she arrived in Gensokyo) or, in the case of the ones whose abilities are "to use magic" or similar, trained to acquire them (like Marisa, Alice, Futo (who calls her mish-mash of shinto and taoist magic "feng shui"), etc). Kosuzu's the only character that was show to havie aquired her ability spontaneously, and we have no idea on how or why she got it.
As for ghosts of famous people getting into Gensokyo, well, I guess it depends whether or not everyone that dies goes to the same place. There have been no mentions of different afterlifes for different religions, so as far as we know everyone goes through the same processes. Theoretically, then, I guess such a thing could happen, but it's more likely that, if the person had died long ago, they'd already have reincarnated. Ghosts aren't suppose to linger there forever, after all.
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