Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Hakurei Shrine~ => Touhou Addict Recovery Center => Topic started by: Dollywitch on May 13, 2009, 12:10:41 PM
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I never understand this, in some games it calls her a "Strange" black magician, and in others "Ordinary". Is this just a translation hiccup, and it means something else? I love Marisa as a character but characters that pride themselves on being "Normal" annoy me. What exactly is meant by "Ordinary" in a game series that prides itself on being bizarre? Is Zun just trying to get across the point that she's not an insane, cackling witch, or like some of those "IRL" new age witches who get way into their stuff and take it too seriously, but well balanced and logical?
That said Marisa is kind of inconsistant, in EoSD she says she hates the night, but in IN she seems to like it. I guess she just has a strange sense of humour and is being silly?
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I never understand this, in some games it calls her a "Strange" black magician, and in others "Ordinary". Is this just a translation hiccup, and it means something else? I love Marisa as a character but characters that pride themselves on being "Normal" annoy me. What exactly is meant by "Ordinary" in a game series that prides itself on being bizarre? Is Zun just trying to get across the point that she's not an insane, cackling witch, or like some of those "IRL" new age witches who get way into their stuff and take it too seriously, but well balanced and logical?
That said Marisa is kind of inconsistant, in EoSD she says she hates the night, but in IN she seems to like it. I guess she just has a strange sense of humour and is being silly?
Yes, she is not insane yet. So she is still an ordinary human magician.
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ZUN has no sense of coherence for eye color either (Sanae's eyes turned emerald green in UFO). But it seems he remembers Reimu's hair length since (unless he decides to suddenly cut them like in SA) it grows more and more throughout games.
That said I still think there's a link to "Neutral" more than "Normal". As Marisa makes no use of a particular magic style (being labeled as "high-level magician" with no elemental attacks and no special features like puppetry for so ronery Alice), to me it seems logical.
(although I do believe I sometime have fridge logic more than often.)
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Yes, she is not insane yet. So she is still an ordinary human magician.
Oh so it means she's not a "Magician" like Alice then, who's gone all weird and supernatural from the core out? She's an ordinary human wielding supernatural power, but is not a supernatural being herself?
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What you consider ordinary or not is, once again, subjective.
In my eyes she's anything BUT ordinary =/. She's a human magician, not a Youkai Magician like Patchouli and Alice. I guess in Gensokyo, "ordinary" magicians are the youkai type, but once again, it's all subjective.
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Ordinary magicians to me are rather the human type. Seeing that we can't consider all the Touhou characters as "celebrities in Gensokyo", it's seemingly something completely common to have powers.
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Seem to me Ordinary just a classification to describe her normal power level.
And Marisa prefer Light and fire magic.
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Fire? I don't remember Marisa using fire-type attacks but that's probs just me...
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Fire? I don't remember Marisa using fire-type attacks but that's probs just me...
Is canon, and Master Spark should be the combination of both.
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Nah man, her spells are pretty much non-elemental with the exception of the occasional frozen missile or ice jet.
As for ordinary "Ah, don't mind me, I'm just and ordinary passerby with no intention of stealing your stuff...." Also, the fact that she apparently is still a human and not a "Magician"
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I prefer to see Marisa as thief rather than magician.
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I prefer to see Marisa as thief rather than magician.
Reimu talks about stealing stuff more often though.
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Wizard/thief IS the most common dual-class of all, you know...
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Wizard/thief IS the most common dual-class of all, you know...
No multiclassing in 4th ED. Shit sucks.
OOI are Marisa's "Magic Missle" and "Illusion Laser" D&D references? Magic Missile and Illusionary Ambush are the main two wizard projectile attacks.
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Wizard/thief IS the most common dual-class of all, you know...
Yeah like Aran Linvail in Shadows of Amn.
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Put it like this: for the most part, you only have her word on it. (Makes me wonder if the characters are the ones who created their own character-titles ...)
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No multiclassing in 4th ED. Shit sucks.
OOI are Marisa's "Magic Missle" and "Illusion Laser" D&D references? Magic Missile and Illusionary Ambush are the main two wizard projectile attacks.
I couldn't even get past the second chapter of the Player's handbook, despite a friend's attempt to convince me. Shit has been Hasbro'd to death (oh well, at least 3.5 is quite good)
I don't remember illusionary ambush but I'd say you have a terrible lack of Fireball and Chain Lightning on your spellbook.
Also: Ruby Ray of Reversal = LOVE
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Well, "ordinary" doesn't necessarily mean common. She's, uh... theoretically unspectacular in comparison to the other magicians around, who are youkai and have more inherent power. She's also ordinary in comparison to the other important human characters -- Reimu's the dang Hakurei shrine maiden, who the hell knows what's up with Sakuya, there's god-descendants and half-ghosts and immortals, and all of them have their own special super powers. Marisa, as far as anyone knows, is just some girl from the village who happens to have learned magic. So she's an ordinary person by nature, extraordinary only through her choices and actions.
At least that's how I've always taken the title. Either way, there's certainly a touch of irony to it, seeing as she is weird and unusual despite being ordinary, and those choices and actions have propelled her above some of the other people's extraordinary natures. Finding double meanings and sarcastic readings for character titles is entertaining anyway. (Perfect and Elegant Maid always comes to mind...)
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I couldn't even get past the second chapter of the Player's handbook, despite a friend's attempt to convince me. Shit has been Hasbro'd to death (oh well, at least 3.5 is quite good)
I don't remember illusionary ambush but I'd say you have a terrible lack of Fireball and Chain Lightning on your spellbook.
Also: Ruby Ray of Reversal = LOVE
4th ED is a lot of fun as a Tactical game, but the roleplaying mechanics aren't fantastic.
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Put it like this: for the most part, you only have her word on it. (Makes me wonder if the characters are the ones who created their own character-titles ...)
It's like she's calling herself "Ordinary" only to surprise you with her wicked awesome LASER OF DOOM!
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You guys are getting it wrong. Marisa is BLACK
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I couldn't even get past the second chapter of the Player's handbook, despite a friend's attempt to convince me. Shit has been Hasbro'd to death (oh well, at least 3.5 is quite good)
I don't remember illusionary ambush but I'd say you have a terrible lack of Fireball and Chain Lightning on your spellbook.
Also: Ruby Ray of Reversal = LOVE
Oh geez, imagine Stoneskin in Touhou. You could get hit and not fail spell cards!
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Oh geez, imagine Stoneskin in Touhou. You could get hit and not fail spell cards!
They will have to rewrite the code lol, Everyone would be so high level, Sakuya can use the time stop spell unlimited and no delay ;D
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Sakuya has permanent access to level 9 spells...Yuyuko's death powers get a Will save...yeah, there'd be SERIOUS balance issues. :P
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Although all of them are bosses anyway, would be a really good challenge...or if I wear whatever things that immune to their power.
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The truth is that Gensokyou is the only place I can think of that is even more BS than DBZ world (or maybe, close to that, I might be stretching just a little bit). It would be impossible to make something anywhere NEAR balanced when you get the power that people there have. And that's where Danmaku comes in. Some half-arsed excuse Zun made up so that he can make them as much BS as they want (Remi: Oh no, it's your fate to lose this battle. Yuyuko: Oh, you died, no save! LOL! 6:CAUTION! NUCLEAR LAUNCH DETECTED!!! Yukari:...... ....... Suika: Pretty much invincible, actually).... and still have a playable game. Gensokyou has really cool characters and all but is inherently broken.
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I like to describe it as balance through brokenness in the fact that it's balanced since everyone is broken. :P
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The truth is that Gensokyou is the only place I can think of that is even more BS than DBZ world (or maybe, close to that, I might be stretching just a little bit). It would be impossible to make something anywhere NEAR balanced when you get the power that people there have. And that's where Danmaku comes in. Some half-arsed excuse Zun made up so that he can make them as much BS as they want (Remi: Oh no, it's your fate to lose this battle. Yuyuko: Oh, you died, no save! LOL! 6:CAUTION! NUCLEAR LAUNCH DETECTED!!! Yukari:...... ....... Suika: Pretty much invincible, actually).... and still have a playable game. Gensokyou has really cool characters and all but is inherently broken.
the balance is the survival of the fittest; but, to avoid deaths on both the human and youkai sides, this spellcard system was made, in order to decide a winner without actually killing the loser (either by exorcising or devouring the defeated person), and to maintain the combat abilities of the two sides so that they wouldn't be easily overpowered by possible invaders from the outside (source: http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Perfect_Memento:_Monologue )
Now, for being more BS than DBZ: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AbusingTheKardashevScaleForFunAndProfit
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I always assumed the "Ordinary" was meant to be ironic.