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The eighth thread (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,6452.0.html). had 999.
So I made this in advance.
But that doesn't matter anymore.
Whine now, scratch heads later.
http://i51.tinypic.com/11ugvx3.jpg
fucking fuck
I was on a roll.
Capture Web- 2/2
Filled Miasma- 1/1
Green Eyed Monster- 1/1
Jealous of the Kind and Lovely- 1/1
Hate for the Humble and Rich- 1/1
Unnatural Phenomenon- 1/1
Hell's Wheel of Pain- 1/1
Storm on Mt. Ooe- 1/1
Knock Out in Three Steps- 1/1
Terrible Souvenir- 1/1
Mercury Poison- 1/1
Princess Undine- 1/1
Philosopher's Stone- 1/1
I'd tell Orin to go to hell but she's already there :/
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obligatory SHOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUU
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So here's what a month of not playing Touhou has pretty much done to me. Just on MoF cause that's the only one I played today.
Was unable to capture Minoriko's final nonspell on Lunatic
Failed the premidboss Hina stuff (Oh wait, I always fail that)
Completely failed Hina
Can't read Illusionary Waterfall as well as I used to
Somehow understand how Spin the Cephalic Plate works
Can't capture Sanae's midboss card or first 2 boss spells
Somehow kept my VoWG reading and dodging levels where they were.
No Bombs Lunatic attempt game over on Hina(didn't expect to get far anyway)
No Bombs Hard attempt game overed on Aya
Edit: Forgot to back up the latest score.dats, so my terukuni and Suwa War captures. Gone. Some UFO unlocks and captures, gone(not sure how much). Oh well, not like it gets rid of the accomplishments.
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Quote from: Super Zengeku on October 12, 2010, 07:00:20 am
What the hell ZUN? You are not fair sometimes.
Bright Star "Orion Belt": How am supposed to Gold medal that?
Light Sign "Triple Meteor": I got close to capping this but then stuff happened. Upon further tries i find the card putting bullets where i need to go through. I can see how this can be done though but its still annoying how bullets sometimes spawn in ways that you simply can't do anything about.
Or at least I can't do anything about. But its Normal mode. How will the Lunatic version look like? Hell, that can be said about almost any card in that game.
Light Sign "Triple Meteor: This thing walled me off. Sucks.
Rainbow Light "Prism Flash": I still don't know how i'm supposed to Gold medal this. If you stand the wrong place, you're screwed.
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Fair
Quote
Gold medals
Ha ha ha.
Yeah, i know. ZUN is not fair. Its just about having some bullets you can only dodge through exploits and unhealthy dedication with some good music and cute girls mixed into it.
No really. I like Fairy Wars so it really annoys me with those spells designed around forcing you to freeze stuff if you don't want to die horribly. With the gold medal system in place, you could expect that all spells in the game would be legitimately possible to do without freezing but that doesn't seem to be the case which annoys me very much.
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touhou 9 lunatic, reimu only, school hours only, many anti-fanboys, FINAL DEST-*pew*
First PoFV lunatic Run ever.
Lost a life to youmu
Aya Slut Bitch Whore Ate all the three i had left D:
FUCKING FUCK
Ps: Looking for a 12.8 extra unlocked score.dat
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obligatory everything
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obligatory everything
Obligatory Bananamatic-Makes-My-Day post
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In celebration of the new thread I fired up UFO again, three attempts were aborted by deaths before midboss Nazrin.
Just as planned.
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Two runs in a row ended by a direction locking up. That was so horribly unlucky that I just felt depressed instead of pissed.
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Gameover'ed on Lunatic Cirno (Eosd stage 2) at school today. Everyone was like, "WHOAH, holy shit look at this guy play this crazy japanese game", but it wasn't satisfying... I wasn't playing with my gamepad and I was sucking... I feel so ashamed :ohdear:.
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(http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/7849/begin.th.jpg) (http://img814.imageshack.us/i/begin.jpg/)
(http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/4931/endji.th.jpg) (http://img839.imageshack.us/i/endji.jpg/)
I fucking suck.
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(http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/7849/begin.th.jpg) (http://img814.imageshack.us/i/begin.jpg/)
(http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/4931/endji.th.jpg) (http://img839.imageshack.us/i/endji.jpg/)
I fucking suck.
What happened to your bombs? :V
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(http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/7849/begin.th.jpg) (http://img814.imageshack.us/i/begin.jpg/)
(http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/4931/endji.th.jpg) (http://img839.imageshack.us/i/endji.jpg/)
I fucking suck.
Clearly you didn't suicide enough during the early stages and ended up with a max rank Stage 5. :V
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Clearly you didn't suicide enough during the early stages and ended up with a max high rank Stage 5. :V
Also, OP needs a link to the previous thread (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,6452.0.html).
obligatory everything
obligatory l2d
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obligatory l2d
Learn to die. :derp:
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Momizi, Post Momizi BS Walls. Hell, I hate the whole stage and the boss.
Maybe I would have gotten past the BS Walls and maybe the stage if I hadn't derped stages 2 and 3
Yeah, somehow I got the idea that it'd be a good idea to try to No Bomb Lunatic even though I suck.
Edit:
11 fucking seconds left on the timer. 11 fucking seconds. I was that close to a perfect VoWG timeout.
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Also, OP needs a link to the previous thread (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,6452.0.html).
aah eff
thanks
Played SA at school with a miniature crowd of sheep about.
The horror.
I do so bad. In the company of others. :fail:
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I do so bad. In the company of others. :fail:
silly boy
play one difficulty below what you usually do, sheep can't tell the difference
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But then the resident I-know-everything-while-knowing-nothing Touhou nerd (Who calls people who know everything about Touhou nerds) comes up and goes EASY MODOOO?
I shall show the video of him legitimately failing at Icicle Fall Easy (NO FUCKING REALLY) to everybody.
He also called MotK a "nerd board" as he came up to me once and said "you and your nerd boards."
Put down your stones. And spears. And lasers or whatever.
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Momizi, Post Momizi BS Walls. Hell, I hate the whole stage and the boss.
That stage and boss is great. Stop fooling yourself :)
But then the resident I-know-everything-while-knowing-nothing Touhou nerd (Who calls people who know everything about Touhou nerds) comes up and goes EASY MODOOO?
I shall show the video of him legitimately failing at Icicle Fall Easy (NO FUCKING REALLY) to everybody.
If he failed on Icicle Fall Easy then he is fail. Are you normal mode? Then you should just stick to bosses you know well when you are in school so that you can play against them well.
And i'll just admit right here that i fail in the presence of others too.
He also called MotK a "nerd board" as he came up to me once and said "you and your nerd boards."
Well, when you log 50 hours or more into a single game that takes 30 minutes to play through in 1 credit you are the definition of nerd.
But its like sports really. If you want to become really good then you have to spend a lot of time on it.
What kind of games does the kid in question play?
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obligatory l2d
obligatory bury in lake
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That stage and boss is great. Stop fooling yourself :)
Well, I do like Aya. But her boss fight and PoFV fight both suck.
And more Stage 4 fail. Even worse is I was close to the final score extend. Would have game overed at or before Terukuni anyway. Screwed up Aya opener, and Saruta Cross sucks.
And Momizi still sucks for me.
Oh, and yet another Exiled Doll Double KO, but I pretty much expect that as it pretty much always happens to me.
I could so do this if Stage 4 didn't exist. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=10585)
Oh, and why does Nitori seem easier on Lunatic than she is on Hard? Her nonspells are trivial, but I'm likely to screw up the second one on Hard. Only spellcard I find harder on Lunatic is the waterfall one.
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quote author=Super Zengeku link=topic=7358.msg461104#msg461104 date=1287040534
Are you normal mode?
I was sick of only winning on Easy.
And i'll just admit right here that i fail in the presence of others too.
Don't we all?
Well, when you log 50 hours or more into a single game that takes 30 minutes to play through in 1 credit you are the definition of nerd.
:I I suppose you have me there *psyduck emoticon
But its like sports really. If you want to become really good then you have to spend a lot of time on it.
What kind of games does the kid in question play?
I think telling you that he's a Japanophile will suffice.
/quote
Also, obligatory rage for Satori
SATORIII
...I hate you Grandpa Hanasaka because I got wallllled inbetween flowers with a large green orb.
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I've been on a bit of a roll with Touhou lately, so I thought I'd go back to EoSD and actually clear Remilia for once since it has been ages since I played it.
...
WHAT?!
WHY CAN'T I GET PAST PATCHOULI WITHOUT WASTING MY LIVES ANYMORE?!
Never mind Remilia now, I can't get to Sakuya anymore. I can't have hit my peak in EoSD that early on. ><
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WHAAAAAA
Everything looked... so hopeful
Stage 1 Perfect
Stage 2 Perfect
Stage 3 Perfect
Stage 4- Choking a bit on the Prismriver Sisters
Stage 5- Youmu needs to die
Stage 6- Srsly what
Cherry points- 140000 / 404800
Point items- 1104 / 1200
Final score: ~287.600.000
;_;
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Stage 4 is really the only thing preventing me from doing this (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=10589)
Okay, I derped Hina's final nonspell, and screwed up the turn arounds on Spin the Cephalic Plate. But 6 fucking deaths over the entirety of Stage 4 to eventually game over on Storm Day.
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I swear Youmu, the Prismrivers and Lost's Soul's village don't want me to 1cc Perfect Cherry Blossom easy (yes I suck at this series, but I love it anyways)
Also - Orin and Shou.
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Shou.
Was just gonna complain about her but welly well well.
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But then the resident I-know-everything-while-knowing-nothing Touhou nerd (Who calls people who know everything about Touhou nerds) comes up and goes EASY MODOOO?
you know he's rl trolling you
...I hate you Grandpa Hanasaka because I got wallllled inbetween flowers with a large green orb.
Dude you can't get walled in that card, ever. Stop running into stuff.
Oh, and why does Nitori seem easier on Lunatic than she is on Hard? Her nonspells are trivial, but I'm likely to screw up the second one on Hard. Only spellcard I find harder on Lunatic is the waterfall one.
Spaced bullets make it more difficult for the brain to parse the overall shape. Lunatic is easier because they're all already in fairly solid lines.
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Dude you can't get walled in that card, ever. Stop running into stuff.
You can have the petals spawn on you though, which I found out the hard way.
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Started Jade of the Horrid River with 5 lives. Gameovered on it. Wahahahahah! FUCK! :colonveeplusalpha:
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Game over on Kanako's final nonspell because I didn't bomb it, twice.
MoF Lunatic No Focus has a lot more autobombs than I thought it did. But I had a few deaths with bombs or just stupid stuff in general.
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Aww, this could have been a great Fairy Wars extra (no pun originally intended) run, but I mucked up the end. I died three times on the stage in an attempt to beat it no deaths no bombs, but from Marisa on I didn't die until the seventh non-spell. I was at over 900% health on Blazing Star, when I GOT HIT BY MARISA. Then on Fairy Destruction Ray I ran into the first star bullet fired, then died two more times. :( I beat my high score, but only by about a million (no Baity I didn't save the replay so I can't SUBMIT).
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I seem to have lost all the skill that I once had on Remilia.
Promptly failed a no bombs 1cc because I kept dying to EVERYTHING
OTZ
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PCB now thinks it's funny to cut to 29FPS for noooo reason and I game overed on the stage portion before Chen. :I
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I can't remember how to properly encode vids, so every time I try the quality of the vid is crap.
And yes, this was even after looking at the guide again. I don't even remember all the necessary codecs, how to change the bitrate in VirtualDub or anything.
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NO
EFF NO
(http://i54.tinypic.com/33mri80.jpg)
*headdesk
*headdesk
*headdesk
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NO
EFF NO
for a moment I thought you had reached 16 seconds remaining on your first Last Word timeout attempt :V
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I was 5 seconds away from possibly making my first capture of Scarlet Gensokyo (lunatic).
Damn curving EoSD bubble, went right into the only gap in the wall.
OTOH, a VoWG capture is always satisfying :).
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for a moment I thought you had reached 16 seconds remaining on your first Last Word timeout attempt :V
With that few bullets on the screen?
Well... too bad about that Aquandescence. At least a regular 1cc allows bombs... (Waah MoF Lunatic no-bombs fail. :fail:)
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With that few bullets on the screen?
I've reached below ten seconds remaining twice, the traumatic reflexes filled the rest of the screen with butterflies.
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HELL!
Who gets to Stage 5 7/5 and Game Overs on Repository of Whatever "Ghost"?
AAAAHHHRRRRR
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I've reached below ten seconds remaining twice, the traumatic reflexes filled the rest of the screen with butterflies.
I have had my share of that too you know. 300+ attempts. :V
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*Rant alert. The following is me bitching to kill off some frustration*
Geez. What a rude wake-up call. I just got reminded why i hated UFO so much.
95% shit. 5% quality game.
I want to do another timeout of Radiant Treasure Gun - one of the only quality spellcards in that game. Its hard and its fun. That is, would be fun if you could face it without sitting through a long ass stage comprised of nothing but bullshit and memorization.
Okay. The only thing bullshit in it is Nazrin, but my problem is that there is only a very short portion of actual gameplay. Nothing more. And that's referring to that part near the end where the fairies spam those red bullets. The fairies between Nazrin and the red-bullet spam are trivial so that means they are boring and the entire rest of the stage is one big memorization fest. I have that memorization down yes but its still boring as hell.
I just want to have a go at the good stuff but apparently you have to suffer to get through to it. Sigh. I want a japanese 360. Then i can finally get some new shmups that doesn't suck. Damn, there is no Touhou game existing that calls for spell practice like this one does.
*Rant over*
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So, LLS is supposed to be the easiest Touhou?
Apparently not for me... somehow my eyes can't take the graphics and I die 5 times in stage 4.
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Well, the graphics are pretty bad in LLS and MS so sometimes bullets can do their thing to blend in with the background. That's PC98 for ya.
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I was considering putting more time into PC-98 but I have too many grindan adventure games to play right now.
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mumblemumbleanything i can beat is too easymumbleanything i cant is bullshitmumblemumble
Looks like ol' man Zengekky's at it ag'in.
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"Insert long dragging speech, about how games should be made that's bound to spawn comebacks about how much i'm wrong and how much it's my own fault for playing a game when i know i don't like it to begin with, here."
It would be lovely if the choice wasn't between a hard mode that doesn't challenge me and a Lunatic mode that's harder than MoF/SA no-bombs lunatic for a broad variety of reasons i don't approve of. :)
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UFO
Stages 1,2,3,4 Fine
Stage 5: Damn, I lost a big portion of lives, but I'm no quitter!
Stage 6: :V
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Is hijiri considered a hard final boss ?
Because I can't beat her.
On easy.
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what the fuck, I can't play touhou anymore. Too small unanimated bullets. Even Garegga bullets are crystal clear compared to this shit. Also controls feel weird
oh well, back to DOJ. It's easier...
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what the fuck, I can't play touhou anymore. Too small unanimated bullets. Even Garegga bullets are crystal clear compared to this shit. Also controls feel weird
oh well, back to DOJ. It's easier...
Somehow, I also find touhou somewhat smaller to other shmups, and I have no idea why
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Somehow, I also find touhou somewhat smaller to other shmups, and I have no idea why
PatriotDark is pretty "small" too, but it's awesome instead of annoying. Especially with custom musics...
Then again, RSG feels so big I can't ever do a serious run
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Guys. Its because Touhou is about a crapload of very small bullets made so that one of them might slip past.
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Guys. Its because Touhou is about a crapload of very small bullets made so that one of them might slip past.
macrododge>micrododge
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macrododge>micrododge
Obviously. Touhou is mostly about micrododge but there is always things like VoWG. Macrodoging ftw.
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does it even matter
you either dodge or you don't
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does it even matter
you either dodge or you don't
the latter
though some say macrododging is more "fun"...what the hell, who cares? Isn't all of this just for extending one's virtual schlong or what
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you either dodge or you don't
Yes Banana, that's a very interesting statement. Given my huge amount of expertise with the Touhou series i can clarify that there is indeed situations in which you dodge and in which you don't.
If it is pre-UFO you read n' dodge. If you play UFO or GFW then you flail around randomly hoping not to get hit. And memorize a ton of crap. And play stages so painfully boring that you'll want to drill your own eyes out. That's one thing that Cave kicks absolute ass at when it comes to game design. Stages that aren't filled to the breaking point with "waiting-sections"
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If it is pre-UFO you read n' dodge. If you play UFO or GFW then you flail around randomly hoping not to get hit. And memorize a ton of crap. And play stages so painfully boring that you'll want to drill your own eyes out.
Looks like ol' man Zengekky's at it ag'in.
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the latter
though some say macrododging is more "fun"...what the hell, who cares? Isn't all of this just for extending one's virtual schlong or what
you could say that they are attitude for gains where it doesn't matter
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ZUN makes the stages for the stage themes, not the other way round, which makes it a much more pleasant experience in my opinion. I can't say his stage design is without flaws, but I do say that you are exaggerating a fair amount, good sir.
Also, I'd rather have short pauses every 30 seconds than having conditions similar to a timeout of Kanako's opener (which I did) where every time you blink you may be dead. I am aware that this is me invoking a false dilemma, but if I had to choose one, I'd choose the touhou way.
Meh, this discussion won't go anywhere just like it didn't go anywhere the last times, and in the end, taste is taste is taste. I'd prefer if it didn't continue any further, but whatever.
Oh, and on topic, everytime I try to create something fun, it ends up essentially being some sort of VoWG clone? Where is my originality? :fail:
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Youmu needs to stop this
Like seriously
I enter the Prismrivers with 8 lives, end with 6, get to Mid-Youmu with those six, get a seventh and an eighth, then die four times to her.
The other four lives went to Yuyuko.
Once again. Dying on Repository of H.. something is unacceptable! I am so upset!
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Meh, this discussion won't go anywhere just like it didn't go anywhere the last times, and in the end, taste is taste is taste. I'd prefer if it didn't continue any further, but whatever.
This (http://www.mediafire.com/?zm0im4umikj) will.
Also, Manabu Namiki kicks ZUN's ass
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Holy shit I can't bomb anymore. :fail:
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ZUN makes the stages for the stage themes, not the other way round, which makes it a much more pleasant experience in my opinion. I can't say his stage design is without flaws, but I do say that you are exaggerating a fair amount, good sir.
Yes and in UFO, those stage themes sucked. :V (Except for S4) To be fair though, i can see how it sometimes can be preferable to have things take it a little slow. My issue is actually just that the only difficult stages that involve actual dodging i know of is: EoSD Stage 5 (though can be trivialized), EoSD Stage 3, PCB Stage 3, PCB Stage 6, MoF Stage 4, SA Stage 4 and 5 and UFO Stage 3.
The rest of Touhou stages are just slow, dragged out music rooms that take forever to play through (3 minutes get a lot when multiplied with 50 runs and in UFO i'd need way more practice than that too.)
But the Touhou games are all about its boss fights. Its always been like that. Its just annoying that for everytime you want to face the boss, you have to go through a stage of doing nothing. Even if the music is good its just too much of an annoyance. And that's why spell practice rules.
Looks like ol' man Zengekky's at it ag'in.
What? Are you surprised? :V
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Yes and in UFO, those stage themes sucked. :V (Except for S4)
Agree, stage 2 and 3 are the worst, the other ones aren't *that* bad though
EoSD Stage 3
How is that hard? ???? Even I can perfect it.
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Agree, stage 2 and 3 are the worst, the other ones aren't *that* bad though
How is that hard? ???? Even I can perfect it.
Yeah. Mindfuck. No, its not hard but i find it a fun stage thats more about dodging than it is following a mechanic route for three minutes.
And as for UFO stage music: I like the stage 1 song. Stage 2 and 3 are just bad. Stage 4's music is excellent. Stage 5's music is okayish but there is nothing special about it. Its kinda bland imo. And the Stage 6 song is horribufuckus bad. Its the embodiment of dullness.
Extra theme is nice enough and the stage is also fun because its an extra stage that actually contains some gameplay even if it does get annoying when scorerunnning it.
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It should already be clear that most of the Cave shmups are better than Touhou in every aspect.
Yes, even the music. This is a fact, not an opinion.
Go realize that.
...noob friendliness doesn't count.
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Eh, the whole Cave vs. Touhou thing is just so dumb. The gameplay style is different enough to make straight up comparing pointless. Cave games are very rarely about micrododging randomish tight patterns like Touhou (Except Mushis, but they're still pretty different). There's also no denying that ZUN does his own thing really well and I say this as someone with several Cave 1cc's.
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Reminds me of that SC2 vs. WC3 shit-thread I saw on the b.net forums a while back. Yeah, enough is enough.
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Eh, the whole Cave vs. Touhou thing is just so dumb.
This.
Also: WTF WHY IS UFO THE ONLY GAME I CAN'T CLEAR LUNATIC BY CONTINUE AND BOMB SPAM I CAN'T GET PAST STAGE 2.
looks like memogarbage to me. Hurrrrrr.
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lunardial'd for nothing.
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It should already be clear that most of the Cave shmups are better than Touhou in every aspect.
Yes, even the music. This is a fact, not an opinion.
Go realize that.
...noob friendliness doesn't count.
(http://i52.tinypic.com/17cpbr.jpg)
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(http://i52.tinypic.com/17cpbr.jpg)
smells like Mission Success
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If your mission was to make me laugh until I coughed up tea, yes.
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It should already be clear that most of the Cave shmups are better than Touhou in every aspect.
YOU ARE ALREADY PROBATED.
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this is fucking hilarious
There's also no denying that ZUN does his own thing really well
right on the spot, he's definitely a great troll
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Ha, they don't call it "the whining thread" for nothing, eh?
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when I decided to play no focus instead of using the horribly placed shift button, you know something is wrong
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Treasurance, Bananamatic: Okay, knock it the fuck off, now. No more of this trolling bullshit. Are you really that bored? Go read a book or something.
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fact: 90% of motk doesn't know what trolling is. And it definitely isn't being sarcastic or not being 100% serious.
it's simple to make a rule "no trolling"(which is on all forums by default), then mark unwanted posts which funnily enough break no rules as such
Also if you can't take a fact that somebody might not like something, you are a fanboy. :V
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fact: 90% of motk doesn't know what trolling is. And it definitely isn't being sarcastic or not being 100% serious.
it's simple to make a rule "no trolling"(which is on all forums by default), then mark unwanted posts which funnily enough break no rules as such
Also if you can't take a fact that somebody might not like something, you are a fanboy. :V
No, people like you and the people doing the same shit like you should smash it in your brains to use Common sense more often. It is a common sense to not act like a jerk. If you act like a jerk on the streets, chances of getting punched in the face is also quite high.
And as far as I know, we got already a general rule that says: "Don't act unfunny".
I think Matsuri was pretty much clear with his post. Don't push your lucks. And yes he warned you too if you did not noticed.
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And as far as I know, we got already a general rule that says: "Don't act unfunny".
what, this is as funny as it gets
and you won't be getting too far on the internet if you rely too much on Common Sense
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what, this is as funny as it gets
and you won't be getting too far on the internet if you rely too much on Common Sense
Don't push your lucks
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what, this is as funny as it gets
and you won't be getting too far on the internet if you rely too much on Common Sense
Wild guess: You regularly post to imageboards?
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Wild guess: You regularly post to imageboards?
Wrong. Never done so. Actually, the only one I ever visit is that Touhou Hentai Imageboard.
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Aww what? I was having a great time reading those posts from Banana and Treasurance. Its obviously not fun if ZUN is god though. But whatever.
Wrong. Never done so. Actually, the only one I ever visit is that Touhou Hentai Imageboard.
Totally. That's why comparing Touhou and a Cave game is totally impossible. Touhou has all the hentai and Cave have the good stages. :V
No, people like you and the people doing the same shit like you should smash it in your brains to use Common sense more often. It is a common sense to not act like a jerk. If you act like a jerk on the streets, chances of getting punched in the face is also quite high.
Guys. Don't you think you take things just a tad too seriously? Not to question your judgment or anything. Just curious.
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Guys. Don't you think you take things just a tad too seriously? Not to question your judgment or anything. Just curious.
Eh, I dunno. I think if you're obvious "mission" is to disrupt discussion and annoy people, whether you succeed or not, you're trolling. And the only people who still find trolling funny are primary school children. It's basically a cheap way to avoid a real discussion, whether it's a serious discussion or a humorous one, and draw attention to yourself with your idiocy. It's about as clever as blowing a loud fart at the dinner table.
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The question that comes to mind is 'if you think CAVE games are better than the Touhou games, isn't that a comment that should go on a CAVE forum and not a Touhou forum?'
Over in PSL we've been nagging at people for posting in stories just to say it's not to their personal tastes. Same should apply here. If you have an opinion about how game X is shit, you probably shouldn't say as much on a forum which revolves around game X. It serves to do nothing beyond troll the people who actually DO like game X, which is why people here are getting so irritated by it.
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Guys. Don't you think you take things just a tad too seriously? Not to question your judgment or anything. Just curious.
We only take it serious when there is complaints/reports about people acting jerkish and unfunny. Bash/discuss/whine about Touhou or Cave or w/e the hell you want. As long as you don't act like a jerk or unfunny person.
Action > Reaction. Common sense. (Yes even on the internet!)
@ Roukan,
Actually the point of hating / disliking Touhou isn't the issue here. Subjective opinions remain subjective opinions. But Treasurance spouts bullshit words like "This is a fact" and continuing with the same actions. I'd say it is a perfect example of a bad troll/joke attempt on a Touhou forum board. Saying "Cave > Touhou" would probably give a few giggles and laughter but that is about it.
Srs internet discussions ze.
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Eh, I dunno. I think if you're obvious "mission" is to disrupt discussion and annoy people, whether you succeed or not, you're trolling.
I dunno what Banana and Treasurance's "mission" is. I just know that i laughed out loud reading their posts even being a fan of Touhou.
The question that comes to mind is 'if you think CAVE games are better than the Touhou games, isn't that a comment that should go on a CAVE forum and not a Touhou forum?'
Over in PSL we've been nagging at people for posting in stories just to say it's not to their personal tastes. Same should apply here. If you have an opinion about how game X is shit, you probably shouldn't say as much on a forum which revolves around game X. It serves to do nothing beyond troll the people who actually DO like game X, which is why people here are getting so irritated by it.
Good point but usually when i post anyway its not a general critization of the Touhou games. Its usually just directed towards a certain game in the series that i don't like. This is a Touhou board and being a fan of the series in general means that this place would also be ideal for expressing ones opinions about how game X is shit but game Y, G, and H are awesome as they are all Touhou games.
The Cave thing though... it probably don't belong here. Still, people saying that Cave is superior inspired me to try out Cave stuff which in the end only served me well. That might happen to other people.
And. What i have been doing in this thread is express irriation about boring stage portions and used Cave as a frame of reference as to how it could've been done better.
We only take it serious when there is complaints/reports about people acting jerkish and unfunny. Bash/discuss/whine about Touhou or Cave or w/e the hell you want. As long as you don't act like a jerk or unfunny person.
Action > Reaction. Common sense. (Yes even on the internet!)
Has there been such complaints really? Treasurance called his statement fact yes but I just laughed at that. I don't agree with his statement at all. In real life when people spout bullshit i just pay them no attention.
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Has there been such complaints really? Treasurance called his statement fact yes but I just laughed at that. I don't agree with his statement at all. In real life when people spout bullshit i just pay them no attention.
You think the moderators appeared out of the blue? Afaik , you also have been probated once, if you remember that. That is like enough explanation now isn't it? I understand your point but Matsuri doesn't warn people out of the blue. Obviously something occurred.
Not going to derail this thread further, my apologies to the rest. Carry on. . . . or wait, I 'll add something my self:
First pyramid on IN Lunatic, I cannot do this no matter how hard I try to figure out the static pattern movement. Basically, Keine is making me sad in IN =( My Reimu solo runs are going bad.
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i was playing a a soku match. the opponent was sitting in the corner spamming bullets. there was nothing i could do. firing suwako's 5C would mean getting hit, moving towards the enemy would mean him using another goddamn unblockable sword attack. ragetiem.
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You think the moderators appeared out of the blue? Afaik , you also have been probated once, if you remember that. That is like enough explanation now isn't it? I understand your point but Matsuri doesn't warn people out of the blue. Obviously something occurred.
I remember that yes. I understand. Mods just do what they have to do. I still don't understand why people would make anything out of something like this but whatever. Without rules things will just turn to chaos.
Well i guess i have no more questions then. Back to raging! :D
Oh, not sure if you know, but kill one of the familiars on First Pyramid and the card will become easier.
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man, there should be more Cave hentai, those characters have potential. Wait what's this...oh goddammit Reco
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Jesus fucking Christ, I like CAVE as much as the next guy, but you guys don't have to act like twats about it. The shtick really is getting old at this point, and you're making the rest of us look bad. :/
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Thank mod, he's gone for now. Really, how big a dumbass does one person have to be.
oh wait i forgot hating touhou and fapping over cave makes you cool now imma go play doj
Last night UFO buttrammed me. Then it buttrammed me again because I obviously didn't have enough the first time.
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Currently raging over the description below Treasurance's probation box. Doesn't it pretty much say Cave fan = troll?
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Currently raging over the description below Treasurance's probation box. Doesn't it pretty much say Cave fan = troll?
Given how you guys present yourselves around here it's no goddamn wonder people think that. This is what I mean by giving people a bad name. :/
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Currently raging over the description below Treasurance's probation box. Doesn't it pretty much say Cave fan = troll?
Yes. Which is pretty accurate if you're going by the posters ITT who are a) Cave fans, b) actually mentioning Cave either here or in the accomplishments thread, and c) your name isn't Sapz or Jaimers.
I think I hit the right bases there.
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Currently raging over the description below Treasurance's probation box. Doesn't it pretty much say Cave fan = troll?
Currently wondering about the general obnoxiousness some people have been displaying for a few months now. Doesn't it pretty much say "troll"?
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b) actually mentioning Cave either here or in the accomplishments thread
What? You are a troll because you mention Cave?
Currently wondering about the general obnoxiousness some people have been displaying for a few months now. Doesn't it pretty much say "troll"?
i don't know what you're talking about.
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Treasurance only has himself and this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,7358.msg466367.html#msg466367) to thank for that fun little title.
If you have issue with it, take it up with him.
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I dunno what Banana and Treasurance's "mission" is. I just know that i laughed out loud reading their posts even being a fan of Touhou.
I'm only responding to this because I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're not a complete idiot.
In a nutshell, if your post in a thread is there to pretty much blow a loud fart at the party, you're trolling. Their posts are quite transparently made to create disruption and incite annoyance or hostility. That's trolling.
I'm frankly a little suspicious of your wide-eyed "gee golly guys what's the problem" feigning of innocence. I don't really know you or your posting history, but I think you ought to drop the act. You and everyone else on this forum is fully aware of what "trolling" entails. Don't do it or encourage it.
And for the record, there are Rules and Guidelines (right there on the front page, go read them some time) and moderators do not appear at a whim - you see that link on the post that says "Report to moderator"? Yeah. At least one person clicked that and filed a report about posts in this thread. That's a reflection of community response.
PS: The "Cirno Edition" here is especially fitting, seeing how I can't seem to advance past the 3-on-1 fairy sandwich of love in GFW.
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Treasurance only has himself and this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,7358.msg466367.html#msg466367) to thank for that fun little title.
If you have issue with it, take it up with him.
I thought that post of his was sarcasm.
What? You are a troll because you mention Cave?
Any members fitting the criteria I mentioned frequently engage in what I consider to be trolling. That is primarily you and Bananamatic because the two of you do it enough that when I see Cave mentioned anywhere on MoTK I immediately think of you two instead of something like Hibachi :3
And even though this thread has "Touhou Whining" in its title, I'm pretty sure the intent of this thread is to serve as a place for members to post their failings in Touhou. Game overs, sudden bouts of epic fail, and :derps: that ruined what would have been a pretty amazing run (Baity getting a miss on Sunny's last spellcard on his GFW B2 1cc left a mark on what I thought was a beautiful B2-1 clear) should go here.
And even when Cave isn't being mentioned, I still see excessive bitching in the Accomplishments thread. "Did I do terrible at something? Blame it on the game design! Claim it requires memorization even if you don't have to memorize it!"
And this evidently counts as clip-death to some people:
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I thought that post of his was sarcasm.
You're one of the very few. The overwhelming majority of people I've talked to, staff and non-staff alike (so basically everyone except you, Zengeku, Banana and Treasure himself), thought he was trolling.
The "right" to have fun here in a dick-around fashion only extends as far as the rest of the userbase is willing to tolerate it, and no one thought this was funny.
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Okay I'm sorry don't hurt me ;_;
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Don't push it.
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If you play UFO or GFW then you flail around randomly hoping not to get hit. And memorize a ton of crap.
ufo is impossible to clear without memorization hurr durr (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9777)
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Definitely a whole lotta late on this, but Ran's spellcards are either ho-hum or MADE OF HATRED.
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Definitely a whole lotta late on this, but Ran's spellcards are either ho-hum or MADE OF HATRED.
I find Yukari's cards to be easier. :3
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Ran:
- Charming Siege
- Unilateral Contact
Yukari:
- Curse of Dreams and Reality
- Mesh of Light and Darkness
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Why can't I have nice things? ;_;
Y'know why I can't 1CC PCB Normal? It's because of Yuyuko, and her alone.
I tried 1CCing Easy.
4 deaths on the stage portion before her.
Start the boss battle with 2 lives.
Game over on Repository Blah BLAH FREAKING BLAH
On the bright side I now have 55 spells captured. :toot:
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ufo is impossible to clear without memorization hurr durr (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9777)
Yeah so? You can resource spam yourself through PCB and MoF too. But when i play UFO, the ufos only arrange themselves in manners that gives rainbow UFO's where everyone else collects Red ufos'. I hate losing lives to a Stage 3 boss who's tougher than any boss in MoF (not in a fun way naturally). And a Stage 2 boss whose first spellcard is utter bullshit. Or how about a Stage 5 boss that uses lasers? And that's my favorite boss in that game? Ouch. And then a final boss that i cannot do well at unless i get lucky. And she isn't fun to me. Just annoying because of all deaths feeling cheap.
If i'm to get good at this game it will take much more memorization and dedication than i've given it.
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I'm frankly baffled by the entire "waaaah UFO makes me memorize boohoo" deal. I've tried a number of different routes in UFO. Some routes are more successful than others. Some routes, while different from each other, produce equal amounts of success. Sometimes other mitigating circumstances (mood, background noise, caffeine levels, etc.) contribute to my playing ability. Just like any other shmup. I honestly believe the bitching about memorization and UFO is just a meaningless meme at this point.
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It's pretty much just an excuse so people don't have to say 'holy shit this game is really hard, I have to practice it a lot to be good at it'. It is damn hard, but it's one of the least memo-heavy games in the series for sure, maybe tied with EoSD. In exchange for the UFO chasing you have a huge amount of fuck-up room, so even if your route isn't optimal you can still clear it if you're putting in the effort.
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An excuse? Maybe so. But i still think there is some sense of memorization. How can one go from semi-consistent capture rate on PWG to getting destroyed by King Kraken Strike?
Maybe because one hasn't put in a crapload of time to understand the spellcard. Yes, it is indeed harder than the rest of the series. There is other things that are hard too. UFO just manages to be hard in a bad way while a lot of stuff, Cave for example, manages to be hard in a good way.
I would love to practice the UFO bosses and get better at them but unfortunatly the stages are, except stage 4, turbo boring. The process of practicing UFO goes like this:
Go through boring stage that takes three minutes. FIght a boss. Get destroyed. Repeat until the boss doesn't destroy you any longer. About the fourth time i pass through that stage i begin to tear out hairs.
I rarely play against Orin either because the stage is too long and too dragged out because of that amount of padding material its stuffed with outside of the actual dodging segments.
Its not just UFO. Its Touhou stages in general. The only reason i bitch about UFO is because its only UFO that's even slightly difficult to beat.
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Go through boring stage that takes three minutes. FIght a boss. Get destroyed. Repeat until the boss doesn't destroy you any longer. About the fourth time i pass through that stage i begin to tear out hairs.
Have you tried - I don't know - saving replays of failures and studying them? Replays aren't just for bragging rights, you know. All your complaints about UFO seem to boil down to "I'm too lazy to examine what I might have done wrong, therefore the game is flawed." Also:
UFO just manages to be hard in a bad way while a lot of stuff, Cave for example, manages to be hard in a good way.
Lawl. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,6261.msg466692.html#msg466692)
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You know what, I'm fucking sick of it. No more of this touhou vs cave vs whatever bullshit. They are both STBs, they are both very different games. They both have their strengths and weaknesses. Noone gives a shit which one you think is better.
Next person to try to argue which is better gets BANNED. It's just like retarded console fanboyism. Noone cares if you think the xbawks is better than the pee ess troi.
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Didn't hear of the new rule. Sorry.
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Yeah, I understand. It's not like Rules are posted on the Front Page, in their very own board or anything.
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I hate losing lives to a Stage 3 boss who's tougher than any boss in MoF (not in a fun way naturally). And a Stage 2 boss whose first spellcard is utter bullshit. Or how about a Stage 5 boss that uses lasers? And that's my favorite boss in that game? Ouch. And then a final boss that i cannot do well at unless i get lucky. And she isn't fun to me. Just annoying because of all deaths feeling cheap.
If i'm to get good at this game it will take much more memorization and dedication than i've given it.
Seeing all these "I hate losing lives, I hate memorization, I hate everything that are beyond my skill level" from a shmup player is endlessly amusing.
I was glad ZUN made UFO the game as it is, and GFW even harder than UFO so that I don't have to stay on the same 'ol difficulty forever.
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Yeah, I understand. It's not like Rules are posted on the Front Page, in their very own board or anything.
Well, i haven't been on the Front Page for days. My laptop have been turned on or in stand by all the time and the only board i have checked is Help Me Eirin. But i get the rule. I'll follow it. Sorry that i missed it okay?
Seeing all these "I hate losing lives, I hate memorization, I hate everything that are beyond my skill level" from a shmup player is endlessly amusing.
I was glad ZUN made UFO the game as it is, and GFW even harder than UFO so that I don't have to stay on the same 'ol difficulty forever.
Good. Then i at least don't have to fear being labelled as unfunny. :V Seriously though. Its not that i hate everything that's beyond my skill level. I don't hate Catwalk, Scarlet Gensokyo or even the books of EoSD Stage 4. I want to improve my game at UFO which is why i keep playing the damn thing and when i have had enough of grinding the same boring stages again and again i come here to get some frustrations out in an appropriate board. Is that really so laughable?
Also, i got into shmups because it was fun flying around and dodge things but i never found it that amusing to grind something just to improve. I like games that challenge me enough that i don't get bored but not so much that i get irritated by it. UFO... has Hard mode that's too easy and Lunatic mode that's too hard for me atm.
And that's a little annoying considering the amount of ass i kick in the other games. But really. The problems isn't really necessarily with Ichirin or Byakuren etc. Its because the stages are probably the worst ever. Except Stage 4 and 3. Yes. Stage 3. I don't hate it any longer. Upon learning how to do things it is the second stage in the game that actually contains gameplay. Stage 5 is mechanic route. Stage 1 is easy and mechanic route. Stage 2 is mechanic route. Stage 6 is mechanic route. That makes me bored and that's why practicing bosses is such a chore.
That's why i'm complaining Formless.
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That makes me bored and that's why practicing bosses is such a chore.
Well, it's a fact of practicing bosses. Stages of other games aren't that much more interesting imo.
I mean, to practice Scarlet Gensokyo or VoWG, you have to go through the whole ordeal of stage and other spells.
It's not like MoF has spell practice or anything like that. UFO isn't that much different.
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That's why i'm complaining Formless.
Again, save replays of failures and watch them. Look for what you did wrong. You will save a tremendous amount of time; certainly more than you would doing the same thing over and over again, considering you're not learning that way and find it a "chore".
Barring that, you could ... stop playing games that frustrate you? It's not like you're working for ZUN or something. No one is making you play them.
In any event, it seems your entire complaint basically boils down to "UFO is too hard for me, personally, and therefore it is a bad game and I'm going to keep complaining about it." You know what I do with games that are too hard for me, with games whose mechanics I don't enjoy? I don't play them. There, problem solved.
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I want to improve my game at UFO which is why i keep playing the damn thing and when i have had enough of grinding the same boring stages again and again i come here to get some frustrations out in an appropriate board. Is that really so laughable?
So basically you want to become better at a game you hate? Seems like a great idea.
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I won't improve much that way. I will try and take your advice to heart. I will say this: My complaint with UFO isn't that its too hard for me. Its that practicing it is tedious because 4 of the stages are bad imo.
So basically you want to become better at a game you hate? Seems like a great idea.
What other direction can i take with Touhou?
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I won't improve much that way. I will try and take your advice to heart. I will say this: My complaint with UFO isn't that its too hard for me. Its that practicing it is tedious because 4 of the stages are bad imo.
How do you know you won't improve that way? You haven't even tried it. Watching where you failed and studying what you did wrong is one of the best ways to learn anything.
And if four of the stages are "bad", well, don't play it? It seems like you just enjoy bitching for the sake of bitching. I'm trying to help you out here, but honestly, if you really do not enjoy the game, don't play it.
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What other direction can i take with Touhou?
The one that's already been told to you by many other people, try to get better at something you actually like.
E: It's also really hard to improve at anything you don't enjoy doing. Really, this should be common sense.
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I enjoy Touhou. I really do.
I just hate dying.
Like, repeatedly.
To stage 5.
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I never seem to be able to capture Utsuho's 2nd Spell Card; stupid Flare. Today I managed to capture it and I so thought I could finally get through the whole game without losing a life...
Until I stupidly throw it away on her 4th normal attack... TWICE!
All cards captured... two lives lost on that one attack IN THE WHOLE RUN!!!! I RAGED AND STILL AM! ?________?
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If he's like me, it's not so much the game he hates but a few things in the game.
List of stuff I've bitched about before and still agree with.
Parasol Star Memories- Memorize what to do for every single possible randomized movement pattern Kogasa can pick. If you're lucky it can be trivial, but that's rare. Forget that, I'm just bombing it.
Stage 3- total memorization fest, often run into fairies on the circling if I'm not using ReimuB
King Kraken Strike- vision obscuring
Bullets from Sinkable Vortex going into the third noncard
memorization reliant cards in general(this one applies for all games)
Stage memorization can range from okay to terrible: See UFO Stage 3 or first half of Stage 5 for ones I would complain about, though I'm consistent at first half of stage 5. Most other stages aren't too bad.
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[Accusing UFO of being memorization heavy is] pretty much just an excuse so people don't have to say 'holy shit this game is really hard, I have to practice it a lot to be good at it'. It is damn hard, but it's one of the least memo-heavy games in the series for sure, maybe tied with EoSD. In exchange for the UFO chasing you have a huge amount of fuck-up room, so even if your route isn't optimal you can still clear it if you're putting in the effort.
Quoting for posterity.
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Seeing all these "I hate losing lives, I hate memorization, I hate everything that are beyond my skill level" from a shmup player is endlessly amusing.
I was glad ZUN made UFO the game as it is, and GFW even harder than UFO so that I don't have to stay on the same 'ol difficulty forever.
I too enjoy the direction ZUN takes with the series, as well as the rising difficulty in general, but since when is GFW harder than UFO? ??? You get lives like candy in that game.
Speaking of, I 1cc'd B1 and C2 for fun last night, and for B1 my score was about 28 million :fail: I don't even care about score in most games, but in a game where a very large percentage of score is lives remaining, it stings a little. :<
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I too enjoy the direction ZUN takes with the series, as well as the rising difficulty in general, but since when is GFW harder than UFO? ??? You get lives like candy in that game.
GFW is a shit load harder than UFO, in terms of dodging. The game is a cakewalk to beat, mostly because of the gross amount of lives as well as the game's short duration, but the dodging within the game is far and beyond what has been seen in previous games. Hopefully this continues with 東方13.
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I'm pretty sure some of GFW's bullet patterns were designed specifically so the freeze mechanic would have actual merit. Never mind that, as you better players have done, such patterns can be tackled normally anyway. But I doubt we'll see a standard Touhou shooter have most of its danmaku be at GFW's dodging level (at least, not for a while).
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GFW is a shit load harder than UFO, in terms of dodging. The game is a cakewalk to beat, mostly because of the gross amount of lives as well as the game's short duration, but the dodging within the game is far and beyond what has been seen in previous games. Hopefully this continues with 東方13.
You are crazy. But really, i enjoy the patterns in GFW far more than those in UFO because they actually feel like they are raw difficulty instead of just a bunch of failed concepts. As i see it naturally.
How do you know you won't improve that way? You haven't even tried it. Watching where you failed and studying what you did wrong is one of the best ways to learn anything.
And if four of the stages are "bad", well, don't play it? It seems like you just enjoy bitching for the sake of bitching. I'm trying to help you out here, but honestly, if you really do not enjoy the game, don't play it.
I was talking about not playing the game. Not about watching replays.
As for stages I think they are bad because those stages are pretty much routine. How can that not be bad? And that is certainly an issue with the older Touhou games too. Not just UFO.
The one that's already been told to you by many other people, try to get better at something you actually like.
E: It's also really hard to improve at anything you don't enjoy doing. Really, this should be common sense.
Improve on MoF? Pretty much impossible. The others? I just don't know what to do with them.
If he's like me, it's not so much the game he hates but a few things in the game.
List of stuff I've bitched about before and still agree with.
Parasol Star Memories-
Stage 3-
King Kraken Strike- vision obscuring
Bullets from Sinkable Vortex going into the third noncard
memorization reliant cards in general(this one applies for all games)
Stage memorization can range from okay to terrible: See UFO Stage 3 or first half of Stage 5 for ones I would complain about, though I'm consistent at first half of stage 5. Most other stages aren't too bad.
PSM and KKS can take it hard. I hate those buggers too. Stage 3 though i find to be one of the decent levels of UFO. There is actually dodging involved and whatever requries memorization i have memorized now. And it is actually as Jaimers told me. Its not that memorization dependant.
Stage 5 though doesn't have a tiny bit of non-memo gameplay before the final spam which the only fun part of it. And i find that to be a problem because i want to play the boss but i hate having to go through that stage every time.
Stage 6 I find dreadfully boring. The music is the worst yet and the gameplay is fucking Space Invaders.
Stage 2 = Boring. Stage 1 = Decent, easy but the boss doesn't require any practice so its not a problem.
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You know what? I give up. You really do just like to bitch and moan.
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You know what? I give up. You really do just like to bitch and moan.
Touhou Whining Thread, Cirno Edition
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Have you been following the discussion so far? If not, I'd recommend scrolling back a few pages to see what brought us to this point.
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Have you been following the discussion so far? If not, I'd recommend scrolling back a few pages to see what brought us to this point.
I've been following it since page 1. I know it gets fucking annoying after a while, but I was assuming that this thread was the only way they could vent their frustrations.
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There's a difference between venting frustrations with this stage or that boss, and what happened three pages ago, i.e., some ridiculous trolling leading to someone getting probated and someone else making some very broad and general claims about an entire game in general that have no basis in reality. Cue others offering help, and more of the same. That's the difference.
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There's a difference between venting frustrations with this stage or that boss, and what happened three pages ago, i.e., some ridiculous trolling leading to someone getting probated and someone else making some very broad and general claims about an entire game in general that have no basis in reality. Cue others offering help, and more of the same. That's the difference.
It's amusing how certain people completely reject any offers for help and continue to complain about something. I'm not sure if they are just stubborn or just borderline trolling.
On topic: It's extremely agitating to have a UFO change color right as you collect it. I ended up getting 3 rainbow UFO chains because of that.
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Improve on MoF? Pretty much impossible. The others? I just don't know what to do with them.
Score running ?
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Mountain of Faith is pretty up there for me, too. But I still like the team playing, and the fork in the story. What still gets me is VoWG. I've only beaten it using Reimu B, on Easy. Don't want to try the Mairsa B Experience. Apparently Purvis had a great run with Marisa C. Maybe I ought to try that.
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It's pretty much just an excuse so people don't have to say 'holy shit this game is really hard, I have to practice it a lot to be good at it'. It is damn hard, but it's one of the least memo-heavy games in the series for sure, maybe tied with EoSD. In exchange for the UFO chasing you have a huge amount of fuck-up room, so even if your route isn't optimal you can still clear it if you're putting in the effort.
but it's one of the least memo-heavy games in the series for sure
can't really comment, haven't put much effort on UFO.. well, beca-
maybe tied with EoSD.
AGHAGHAGHAGHAGHAGHAGAHRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAHGHAGAHGAHGAHGAHGHA
*the simple mention of EoSD makes my sensors go berserk and with a Terminator-like efficiency, I bite Remilia's neck out, ignoring clipdeaths, confuse hitboxes, and then dying from all those restarts.. from some 3 or 4 days spent to clear EoSD on Lunatic DURING SOTW'S VARTH WEEK. While a friend of mine attempted to beat me by reaching DDP's second loop before I 1cc EoSD.*
If you readers consider that I'm too greedy to not bother about missed scoring potential in most shmups (save some few like Battle Mania Daiginjou), playing for survival isn't interesting enough. (read again, I get bothered all the time with missed scoring potential and restart a lot due to that)
So, I try to enjoy the scoring mechanics. But I dislike the grazing system, even in the Seihou series (save for Kioh Gyoku, in which it's not a main source of points iirc). My point is, for a lot of shmups, what you have to do in order to score is easily understandable, in terms of strategy. Let's say, in Dimahoo, one skilled enough player may try to not get the secret item from the first boss' head, but instead choosing to get an unique set item to complete that item's set earlier and then gain the missed secret item later with a better multiplier later. Easy enough to understand, though not as easy to actually perform. There are also lots of ways you can reach such a goal, too. But with most Touhou games, there are a lot of "checkpoints" you must follow (when random bullets aren't involved), there's no definite way to know if you're really taking the most from your runs (someone discovers that, for example, activating borders at some place will lead to a better score with less effort.. then, those who worked harder wouldn't have any way to know their gameplan without trial and error. Even watching a replay isn't helpful enough, because there are tons of little checkpoints, based on enemy bullet paths). It may be for this reason, that there are guides explaining how to score in the Touhou games (once more, save for PoFV), but not explaining what are the optimal routes and why. I have a feeling that the games don't reward my efforts (or, I just dislike graze more than most people here.. plus I have a really bad memorization, due to the belief that understanding > memorizing.), so I feel cheated if I see someone else score better with less effort (or with just a bit of memorization. Seriously, I don't want to keep a bgm's section in mind to prepare myself for x enemy/enemies in anticipation. That's distracting for me, more distracting than flying UFO tokens will ever be, at least for non-colorblind people).
Also, did I say that losing a life while trying to graze, and restarting due to this, and repeating this pattern, is frustrating? (even if the games didn't have point-blank grazing)
Or maybe I'm really underestimating the graze hitbox (so I have a worse expectation of the effort needed for grazing), or overestimating it (and getting frustrated due to the unrewarded effort).
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Score running ?
Touhou doesn't have good score systems imo but thanks for your suggestion anyway.
EDIT: Just in case anybody decides to reply to my recent posts in this thread. I won't respond any longer. Obviously my form of argumentation doesn't work so its completely pointless for me.
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Why is GFW Hard so surprisedeathy :<
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Added revenge-bullets maybe? That caught me off guard quite some times.
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Lyrica makes my game lag >:(
it runs just fine everywhere else
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fsdfsdfsdf
Why does Banshiryuu always have these bullets and lasers that ninja you out of fucking nowhere
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Whyyyy
is Extra Ran so difficult?
Wizard Fox Thoughts is like a nine on difficulty.
12 Gods, I can actually see myself capturing were I not so twitchy on my trigger finger.
Tanuki Laser, pisses me off because I can't capture it and it looks so simple. I got forced into the lower left corner by it and died on my last attempt at it.
And Charming Siege from All Sides...
It's the easiest thus far, in that, while my history on it is 0 / 1, I still made it to 30% without missing or bombs.
So yay.
Extra Chen is backwards though.
Her nonspell is harder than her cards for some reason
Nonspell- 0 / 11
Red Oni Blue Oni- 3 / 10
Something Something Fly In A Circle- 3 / 10
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Whyyyy
is Extra Ran so difficult?
Wizard Fox Thoughts is like a nine on difficulty.
12 Gods, I can actually see myself capturing were I not so twitchy on my trigger finger.
Tanuki Laser, pisses me off because I can't capture it and it looks so simple. I got forced into the lower left corner by it and died on my last attempt at it.
And Charming Siege from All Sides...
It's the easiest thus far, in that, while my history on it is 0 / 1, I still made it to 30% without missing or bombs.
So yay.
Extra Chen is backwards though.
Her nonspell is harder than her cards for some reason
Nonspell- 0 / 11
Red Oni Blue Oni- 3 / 10
Something Something Fly In A Circle- 3 / 10
Have you watched this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7-SZ-3m1Sw&fmt=22) yet?
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Have you watched this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7-SZ-3m1Sw&fmt=22) yet?
omg ilu brb
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Just got crushed by a massive wave of every last bullet type programmed into PCB with Ran's last spell card.
Whyyyy
is Extra Ran so difficult?
Wizard Fox Thoughts is like a nine on difficulty.
12 Gods, I can actually see myself capturing were I not so twitchy on my trigger finger.
Tanuki Laser, pisses me off because I can't capture it and it looks so simple. I got forced into the lower left corner by it and died on my last attempt at it.
And Charming Siege from All Sides...
It's the easiest thus far, in that, while my history on it is 0 / 1, I still made it to 30% without missing or bombs.
So yay.
Extra Chen is backwards though.
Her nonspell is harder than her cards for some reason
Nonspell- 0 / 11
Red Oni Blue Oni- 3 / 10
Something Something Fly In A Circle- 3 / 10
Yeah, Ran's spellcards can be either torture or fine. I either capture her first one or die twice on it. Laser is simple once you get used to it. Princess Tenko can be real easy or real hard depending on what you make of it. How you get through Charming Siege without bombing five times is still beyond me though. The lines of bullets always close together on me.
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The lines have an aimed element while the bubbles are randomized. Don't move around too much or you'll get "BS'd" by the the card.
If you're careful the card isn't all that bad.
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Wizard Fox Thoughts 0 / 12
12 Gods 0 / 11
Tanuki Laser 1 / 6
Charming Siege 1 / 6
Princess Tenko 0 / 2
Ultimate Buddhist 0 / 2
The last of all have claimed two of my Game Overs on this stage
According to the record, I've played Extra 47 times :colonveeplusalpha:
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Wizard Fox Thoughts is complicated looking, but it's actually simple streaming. See here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIwLfIpnm8w) at one minute in for a timeout of it.
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The lines have an aimed element while the bubbles are randomized. Don't move around too much or you'll get "BS'd" by the the card.
If you're careful the card isn't all that bad.
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Holy shit is it really?
Dammit, it's just like Kaguya's first card...
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Have you watched this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7-SZ-3m1Sw&fmt=22) yet?
Geez. I always found those walkthrough videos very unnecessary and some of those descriptions on the non-spells make them sound harder than they actually are.
The spellcard advice is fine though.
EDIT: Terrible MoF Lunatic run. I finish with 3 lives and 750 million points but i still manage to screw up all over the place. First of all, i don't capture any of Sanae's spellcards. Her third spellcard went pretty decent but i still managed to get hit at the end. More power would've helped but it seems i'm not familiar enough with Sanae's other spellcards to capture them without full power or in case something goes wrong.
I didn't even capture her final card which ended with a death bomb. Add to that an overabundance of very stupid deaths. Died as i was trying to bomb for score in Stage 6, died against Nitori's 2nd spellcard, died on Aya's first spellcard. Cleared Kanako without dying but i didn't really capture anything except for her first card so that means nothing.
But it doesn't really matter. I just needed something for LR.
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First of all, i don't capture any of Sanae's spellcards. [...] I didn't even capture her final card which ended with a death bomb.
Shame thread thisaway (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,6157.0.html).
But it doesn't really matter. I just needed something for LR.
Hit us up when they start their ufo tourny :3
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Wizard Fox Thoughts 0 / 12
12 Gods 0 / 11
Tanuki Laser 1 / 6
Charming Siege 1 / 6
Princess Tenko 0 / 2
Ultimate Buddhist 0 / 2
The last of all have claimed two of my Game Overs on this stage
According to the record, I've played Extra 47 times :colonveeplusalpha:
As Tarquinius mentioned, Wizard Fox Thoughts is streaming. It's not immediately obvious at first, though.
With Charming Siege, try not to stay at the bottom of the screen for too long, or you'll get cornered by the lines of bullets. Move up as needed to maneuver.
Banquet of 12 General Gods and Ultimate Buddhist, though? I have no clue how to help with those.
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Banquet of 12 General Gods is the same every time, well assuming you do the same thing every time.
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Yeah, the arrows in Banquet are static, and the butterflies are aimed. Whether or not you memorize stuff there, I recommend staying on the right side.
To make another comment about Charming Siege, you really need to pay attention to the bullet walls. Learn to look at the walls ahead of where you are, so you can adjust where you need to be in the near future, and then look for a way past each wave of bubbles.
Ultimate Buddhist is simple when you know what to do. Little movement is needed when the blue lasers are out (just dodge at the bottom), and the red bullets during the red phase are aimed. The safest way to tackle the red phase is to stay on the inside of the wheel, as close to Ran as possible, and move with the lasers. Don't forget to pay attention to the sound that, well, sounds just before the transitions - you'll learn their timings with practice.
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Hit us up when they start their ufo tourny :3
Will do. I won't be able to participate in Lunatic anyway. Hard mode is totally easy though so i'll just stick around there..
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Merlin is the reason I am never going to perfect this fight because I want to do it with the shottype I main.
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Dude. Fuck dat maid. Then realize that shrine maidens and witches gets the job done so much better.
You can look at it in another way though. You are tough enough to time out VoWG. You are used to Sakuyas movement speed. Just capturing the attack shouldn't be impossible for you. I was able to do that and i am completely incompetent with that maid.
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As Tarquinius mentioned, Wizard Fox Thoughts is streaming. It's not immediately obvious at first, though.
It is extremely obvious, and I do stream. I can't get the timing of it, though, and end up running into a bullet turned out two waves ago that I have since then dodged and lost track of.
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Argh why
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(23:40:30) HOLY SHIT PHANTASM STAGE
(23:41:40) GO AWAY RAN NO ONE LIKES YOU
(23:41:44) OH GOD RAPED
(23:42:08) ;-;
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I'm glad that Descent of Izuna Gongen killed me because otherwise that would have been a perfect run of PCB Extra ruined by dying to Ran's opener.
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I'm going to make it. Finally, EoSD Extra is coming closer! *died at Curse of Vlad Tepes* ...I hate Remilia...and my keyboard...
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Why is it that the only times I've ever managed to capture Rorschach in Danmaku is with ReimuC?...
Geez, even after clearing Extra with MariC and ReimuA and ReimuC, I've made my only two captures of it with ReimuC...
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Decided to play EoSD normal stage 6 (no bombs) for the lolz
Almost timed out Scarlet Shoot.
Died 4 times to Red Magic, wtf
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Protection of Zenki and Goki (06/20)
Dakini's Heavenly Possession (04/17)
Curse of Dreams and Reality (03/05)
Balance of Motion and Silence(00/03)
Mesh of Light and Darkness (01/03)
Xanadu of Straight and Curve (02/02)
Yukari's Spiriting Away (01/02)
Butterfly in the Zen Temple (00/01)
Not bad for how much I suck at this game.
Final score is ~261' 500' 000.
Point items is ~670.
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So I just had the best fucking Shuusou Gyoku run I've ever had. No miss up to Erich.
Perfect first three stages and I even captured that insane stage 5 midboss at max rank.
...I then die three times to Erich's opener. :colonveeplusalpha:
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Tried to play SA stage 5 on a no-bombs challenge today. The best I could do was 6 deaths. :colonveeplusalpha:
At least I captured Catwalk 3 more times, and survived 'popcorn hell' 2 times.
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So apparently I can't do Source of Rains anymore. I clip it every. Single. Time.
Seriously, if I reset the spell card history (and if I wouldn't go for timeouts in most runs), I would have a higher capture rate in VoWG than in Source of Rains by now. What is wrong with me?!
Oh, I also managed to die to the second noncard. :derp:
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Failed a timeout of Charming Siege at 01 seconds :V
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With how often it happens I should just start going YAIGD almost every time I fail a perfect PCB Extra
It would save me so much time considering how almost every perfect attempt gets ended by the final card.
Edit: failed to timeout the final nonspell and Exiled Doll, but that was pretty much expected (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=10793)
Edit: I HATE failing timeouts with 0 seconds left (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bohvXBBhI4I)
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Learning PCB's Phantasm stage. Trying it with ReimuA's weakweakweak homing attack reminds me how much I hate it, so I switched to SakuyaA. Instant improvement and I lasted like 4 spell cards deeper. Still, lots of DURP.
Also, two bombs spent at the right time are worth some 160 points that I missed out on while learning the extra stage. x_x
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You shouldn't use Reimuhoming if you're looking for damage output over Sakuyahoming.
However, even ReimuA follows the standards by which you should be able to kill a boss while unfocused, and more importantly, get more than one border over the course of the stage.
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SakuyA's "not targeted at enemies" bomb upsets me
And yet
I've unlocked her Extra :oa
But what's keeping me from Phantasming with her is her movement speed, ultimately.
I was playing with her on Normal and Game Overed on Youmu's (second?) nonspell.
So it looks like I'm stuck with Needle Reimu, until I decide to clear it with Laser Marisa.
Also.
Homing Reimu's damage is suck
Do not use
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homing reimu is the superior choice always and forever
follow her onto the path of glory
I had a pretty sweet run in IN extra today where I died on Mokou's second nonspell. That was good.
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Charming Siege legit-bullshitted me for the first time in a while (read: bullet walls converged on the very bottom of the screen).
Ah, how I've not missed thee.
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Homing Reimu's damage is suck
Do not use
Not entirely, apparently. It just sucks when you're directly underneath the boss. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbSVw0p1__U)
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Not entirely, apparently. It just sucks when you're directly underneath the boss. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbSVw0p1__U)
According to Medifex's analysis...
0:10/0:14/0:20 SakuyaA F
0:10/0:14/0:22 ReimuA F Close
0:11/0:16/0:22 ReimuA UF Close
0:14/0:18/0:20 ReimuA UF Far
n:nn/0:23/0:24 ReimuA F Far
ReimuA is only comparable to SakuyaA when shotgunning (with _all_ streams hitting).
EDIT: watched the video with Alice
Mefidex did the tests with Youmu and Yuyuko, who have larger hitboxes.
SakuyaA misses shots when going against Alice for some reason, that's why ReimuA seemed stronger.
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Tried MoF Lunatic No Bombs again.
Perfect first three stages
Capture Momizi
Die to PostMomizi BS
Die to Saruta Cross
Die to Aya's final nonspell
Die to Peerless Wind God twice
Die to Terukuni
Perfect Stage 5 stage part
Die to Night With Overly Bright Guest Stars
Die to Takeminakata Invocation
Game over on Kanako's opener
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How did I die to midboss Youmu's nonspells in stage six NORMAL?
for the sake of science, I need to do this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2Y58GZ1RLk) For the sake of my pride, I need to stop.
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Oh God don't tell me my keys are sticking again. This is even a new computer! I don't want any technical problems getting in the way of my fun.
EDIT: Turns out it wasn't my keys being wonky, but something else. ::)
Medicine, I hardly know you, but you're already annoying the shit out of me. Your poison fields can burn in the Hell of Blazing Fires.
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Medicine, I hardly know you, but you're already annoying the shit out of me. Your poison fields can burn in the Hell of Blazing Fires.
You haven't had a taste of her gas before now? Well, it stinks. Is it in StB or PoFV?
EDIT: Oh and ReimuC in SA sucks. What's that speed boost good for anyway? It only makes timeouts annoying because my general dodging style often involves no-focus dashes.
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Circling with the keys is FFFFFFF- I'll never be able to beat Flan at this rate.
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Circling with the keys is FFFFFFF- I'll never be able to beat Flan at this rate.
When you say circling i think Maze of Love. You might want to micrododge at the bottom of the screen. It takes a very short amount of time. You might want to at least try it. Its much easier than circling.
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When you say circling i think Maze of Love. You might want to micrododge at the bottom of the screen. It takes a very short amount of time. You might want to at least try it. Its much easier than circling.
I need 1 planned bomb to beat it by micrododge cuz I can't move accurately enough (Marisa B)
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You haven't had a taste of her gas before now? Well, it stinks. Is it in StB or PoFV?
StB. I heard a little bit about how her poison stuff pretty much breaks PoFV's computer opponents, but I never really found out why until recently.
Speaking of StB, I feel kind of bad for resorting to Youtube videos to find out how some of the cards work. It's a much easier game than DS overall, and although I can count the cards I spoiled on two hands (give or take a few fingers), I think I really should have spent more time on them first.
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SWR Iku is just mean ;-; That one card of hers that makes her invicable, the time you get to hit her is pathetic, and she is so agile when invicable. ;-; I fin dit funny though, that if I beat that card i can beat the rest of the game with little issue, even Scarlet Weather Rhapsody for all Human Kind/Scarlet Weather Rapture. Heck, SWR is such an easy card for me.
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You're talking about Ancanthodii of the Thunder Clouds, right? There are some attacks that can cause that shield to go down a lot sooner (on Easy, anyway), and Iku will just keep floating toward you until the time it would have normally run out.
Yukari's 5C is one of the moves that can deplete it if you hit the shield a couple times. I know there's more with other characters, but I can't think of them off the top of my head. Again, I'm not sure if it's easy to do on Normal or not.
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Ok, I have no idea what "5C" or "236C" or any of that is >.< Where do you people get that stuff from?
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Let me see if I can stay coherent...
5C, 236C, and the like are all fighting game terminology for the various moves you can perform. In SWR, the buttons are as follows:
A - melee attacks - the Z key
B - weak danmaku - the X key
C - strong danmaku - the C key
D - dash/flight - the A key
A+B - switch your cards around - the S key
B+C - use a skillcard/spellcard - the D key
As for the numbers, they refer to directional inputs. Assuming you're Player 1/facing to the right:
5A - standing still, pressing Z to attack with melee.
6C - holding the right arrow key and pressing C to attack with strong shots.
2B - crouching, then pressing X to attack with weak shots.
236 is a directional input that requires you to move from the down arrow, to holding both down and right at the same time, then just holding right. ...I'm not sure if that came out clearly or not. :ohdear: Anyhow, in Yukari's case, doing 236C with her default skills would cause her to drop a gravestone from the sky.
Going back to Iku's card, using Yukari's stationary strong shots should allow you to bring down Iku's shield early. ...On Easy, anyway. Does that help?
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Ok, that makes sense. But where do the numbers come from? like the 5 in 5C?
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The numpad on the right iirc
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Take a look at the right side of your keyboard. Do you see a number pad there? If not, here's a
picture illustration, because I can't seem to connect to Imageshack or Tinypic at the moment:
7 8 9
4 5 6
1 2 3
Now imagine the arrow keys in the places of 2, 4, 6, and 8. This would make 2 equivalent to the down arrow, which in SWR makes you crouch. Thus, doing crouching attacks such as 2A/2B/2C means that the down arrow is used.
5 simply means that you don't press any of the arrow keys to use that move.
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Ahhhhhhh, thank you :D
I've tried out 236, 623, 421 and 214 danmaku moves with Yukari, I can only pull off the 236, randomly, the others are just refusing to do anything >.< Is timing really THAT key for these?
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Yeah, timing is pretty important for those moves. It just takes practice, that's all.
There are also characters with 22B/C moves (Patchy comes to mind); those should be pretty easy to pull off.
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Yeah, 22B/Cs are easy enough :) Thank Yukari for that :)
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Am I the only person who can last through an entire cloud of bullets only to find myself magnetically drawn to the only remaining bullet on the screen.
Still, made it to Yukari's Ran card for the first time. Again, I think I am magnetically attracted to bullets that would not touch me otherwise, but at least this time I went out with a Ranhug. Best game over I've ever gotten.
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Survived Green Eyed Monster the very first time I faced it....
....only to get a game over the second Parsee leaves the screen. Siiigh OTL
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Ranhug
I call those kicks. She kicks you. Unless her glomp is deadly and suffocates you with her fandom-based mammaries.
Playing Lunatic PCB
and SCUKING HRDA
A game over on Letty's second card? What?
I've 1-credited my way to the Prismrivers before!
Let's play Hard!
*death on Undulation Ray
:V
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It's a much easier game than DS overall.
Gibberish.
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I call those kicks. She kicks you. Unless her glomp is deadly and suffocates you with her fandom-based mammaries.
Nah, what happened is that she ran over you.
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Nah, what happened is that she ran over you.
ba dum tish pichuuuu~n
SA Stage 5 on Normal is causing me so much grief I don't even know where to begin. ...Then again, I play MarisaB, so it's probably to be expected. =/
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WHY IS MOUNTAIN SO ASS BACKWARDS
Got to the black background bit right before Aya on Hard, capped Exteeending Aaarm, got 92M points.
Got to Momiji on Normal, did not cap Monster Cucumber, got 93M points.
:V
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WHY IS MOUNTAIN SO ASS BACKWARDS
Got to the black background bit right before Aya on Hard, capped Exteeending Aaarm, got 92M points.
Got to Momiji on Normal, did not cap Monster Cucumber, got 93M points.
:V
# You gotta have faith... #
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Marisa's hitbox in SA is just bad.
So I'm trying to capture Satori's Alice cards cause that's the only Marisa shottype that even has Lunatic Stage 4 unlocked.
Recollection Spring Kyoto Dolls is harder than Peerless Wind God. Gotten close a few times though.
I've gotten Straw Doll Kamikaze once. It's pretty much like Hourai Jewel in terms of memorization and margin of error, and unlike Hourai Jewel I don't have it down yet.
Return Inanimateness, I just suck at it, but I've gotten close a few times.
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So after all my Phantasm stage practice, I started doing worse than I usually do. Great, it's like I'm playing the Aya games.
Also, THIS JUST IN! MarisaB in UFO is garbage, even if the shot type is very reminiscent of PC-98 stuff.
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# You gotta have faith... #
... in the bombs.
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Almost no-death Koishi. Why do you have to kill me in Subterranean Rose when you are already exploding?
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-playing 12.8 on normal-
Oh hey, i haven't died at all in the first two stages? maybe i'll 1cc and finally unlock extra, which i've been waiting for forever!
-gameover on the first spell-
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I've never beaten EoSD on Normal, so I give it a try with ReimuA.
I die stupidly with loads of bombs in stock on Meiling's Colorful Rain, one of the fairies right before Midboss Sakuya on Stage 5, TWICE on Marionette, and somehow I still manage to get to Remi... then game over on Red Magic. RED DAMN MAGIC. WITH REMILIA'S LIFEBAR ALMOST DEPLETED. Cue FLAMING FISTS OF FURY on the desk.
I should definitely bomb more.
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Picked MoF back up after like 2 years since I last played any Touhou shmup, gone through stage 1 without any hiccups then lost all lives on Hina :V Didn't bothered to continue, quit the game straight after and went to cut myself.
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So is Lunatic really that much more difficult than Hard, or do I just suck for not being able to even get past Stage 3 in PCB when I can 1cc Hard on a good day?
Maybe it's my crappy bombing reflex... I'm too used to being able to actually capture half the boss attacks that get thrown at me...
EDIT: Unrelated, but it seems that Touhou makes it hard for me to play non-danmaku shmups. I decided to give this one shmup game I played like twelve years ago a try, and found myself continuously running into bullets because I thought I could squeeze in between the gaps.
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FUCK
Normal Mode game over on Rice Porridge in Tube
Hard Mode game over on Illusionary Dominance
EFF YOU SANAE
Enter St. 5 with 8 lives
exit with FOUR
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EDIT: Unrelated, but it seems that Touhou makes it hard for me to play non-danmaku shmups. I decided to give this one shmup game I played like twelve years ago a try, and found myself continuously running into bullets because I thought I could squeeze in between the gaps.
Oh god I know exactly what you mean. The first shooter I ever really played was Touhou so any time I try to play a non-danmaku shmup I die trying to graze bullets >_<
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FUCK
Normal Mode game over on Rice Porridge in Tube
Hard Mode game over on Illusionary Dominance
EFF YOU SANAE
Enter St. 5 with 8 lives
exit with FOUR
Sanae IIRC is half static half joke. Stage practice a lot to memorize her more difficult ones and laugh at the rest (lol The day the Sea split; lol Yasaka's divine wind).
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Except that I died to Yasaka's Divine Wind as it was 'sploding in my Lunatic 1cc.
Didn't stop me from dying to VoWG as it was exploding and was about to capture.
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#$#@%#^$%#@. I think I should stop playing Touhou for failing so hard. Went for 1cc Normal UFO, and hit the extend cap after Ichirin. Nothing can go wrong, right!? Fucking wrong! Of course I had to start tripping over my own laces - death on S4, death on Nue, derp Murasa opener with 2 bombs, death on Phantom Ship Harbor, death near the beginning of S5, derp on Nazrin`s opener with 2 bombs, death near the end of the stage, 2-bomb derp on Radiant Treasure on yellow lasers because I got too close, death on Vajra. Started S6 with 3 lives. Death on Nue, then 2 derps on Byakuren`s opener (!). Then I ragequit on my last life.
Aesop: NEVER get too excited over 1cc until you actually get it...
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I finally managed my first target of breaking 1 billion on Phantasm (1.05 or so)... I should be happy, except I died very dumbly on Boundary of Human and Youkai and Border of Life and Death, with full bombs in stock both times. :ohdear: Ten minutes seem to be an eternity when it comes to perfecting a stage...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROSFCEtoDtY
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EoSD Normal, 5/2 entering stage 5. So I should finally get this 1cc, right? Sure, until I:
* miss the extend by timing out Misdirection
* die to Sakuya's last noncard due to trying to POC after Luna Dial
* die to S6!Sakuya's noncard(!) and to Eternal Meek
It's almost a wonder I still made it to Red Magic before game over.
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I have effing had it with effing Kanako and her effing bullshit and those effing hitboxes and I am going to go to work and make myself a pizza because I am done with this and you and your face.
Peace.
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I have effing had it with effing Kanako and her effing bullshit and those effing hitboxes and I am going to go to work and make myself a pizza because I am done with this and you and your face.
Peace.
Really? I honestly suck at touhou, but I was really close to beating MoF Lunatic without continues. Obviously, VoWG raped me, but my point is that Kanako isn't so bad... compared to a certain Youkai Hartmann Girl.. :ohdear:
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Really? I honestly suck at touhou, but I was really close to beating MoF Lunatic without continues. Obviously, VoWG raped me, but my point is that Kanako isn't so bad... compared to a certain Youkai Hartmann Girl.. :ohdear:
My Mountain of Faith 1CC attempt:
St1. Hahaha
St2. 2 Extend
St3. 2 Extend 1 Death
St4. 2 Deaths
St5. 2 Extend 3 Deaths
St6. Game Over on Heaven Stream
Score- 210M
Highscore.... 270M
:fail:
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Really? I honestly suck at touhou, but I was really close to beating MoF Lunatic without continues. Obviously, VoWG raped me, but my point is that Kanako isn't so bad... compared to a certain Youkai Hartmann Girl.. :ohdear:
The fact that you can almost 1cc lunatic and you still say you suck at Touhou really pisses me off somehow....can barely beat normal mode ._.
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The fact that you can almost 1cc lunatic and you still say you suck at Touhou really pisses me off somehow....can barely beat normal mode ._.
I think he means his play style?
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The fact that you can almost 1cc lunatic and you still say you suck at Touhou really pisses me off somehow....can barely beat normal mode ._.
Being almost able to 1cc MoF Lunatic is not really an indicator of ability. The ridiculous amount of bombs makes it possible to bombspam through almost all of it.
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Oh hay I just failed a perfect SA stage 4 lunatic on BoWaP. :colonveeplusalpha:
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Being almost able to 1cc MoF Lunatic is not really an indicator of ability. The ridiculous amount of bombs makes it possible to bombspam through almost all of it.
for someone who can barely get to a stage 6 boss on normal, let alone beat them (I have yet to beat a Touhou game on normal). Being able to survive past stage 1 of any lunatic mode is a sure sign of skill. ;)
Anyways now for a contribution to the thread, After being able to capture Visionary Tuning on Normal many a time, I died to it on easy mode T_T
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Hmm, memo to self: Stop being an idiot. I think something just clicked on Blue UFOs that will let me do better in the future, and it once again involves me being an idiot about the card. Not that I plan to get serious at perfecting Nue.
*shudders*
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Tried IN lunatic pacifist and no focus....
White screen at Mystia :(
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FUCK (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=10968)
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*Rant alert* Though not about UFO for once. :)
Sigh. Just realized that Koishi is fail.
Been trying to time out Rorshack in Danmaku for a while now. So for haven't suceeded. Always something involving stupid mistakes. But the true horror comes from the bloody stage and the rest of the boss in fact.
Stage is static and boring like most Touhou games like it best. Surprisingly UFO's extra stage did away with that. Midboss is of course not the slightest bit of a threat. Then come boss time. She would only be hard if you were blind or something. Non-spells as challenging as side-tapping and spellcards about... safespotting, streaming and moving in the same pattern repeatedly.
The first five spellcards are absolute pushovers. After that stretch of grinding you finally get the stuff you're here for: Rorschach in Danmaku". And then Embers of Love. Can anyone explain how that thing works? Everytime i try to pacify it i get walled or get bullets spawned on my hitbox. For some reason that never happens when i just capture it. Depths "Genetics of the Subconscious". The other quality spellcard she have.
"Philosophy of a Hated Person" - No comment. Just a run-of-the-mill survival card. Nothing interesting.
"Subterranean Rose" - Trivial.
I just cannot associate that boss with SA because in my world, SA means quality and diversity.
*Rant over*
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For Embers, I try to stay halfway between Koishi and the bottom, that way the bullets will open up enough to go between them when they bounce back up (and I prefer to stay as directly under Koishi as possible when attempting this). However, I don't know how you normally handle the card, so I can't tell if this is how you already do it. Do you have a replay ready? Not sure if you'll get this message before TSO starts the site maintenance though.
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UFO extra 1DNB, dying on Green UFOs.
I admit, this kind of hurt. :( A perfect not only of Nue, but of the whole stage (which I don't think has EVER happened before) ruined because the RNG decided to throw a nearly undodgable clusterfuck at me. I know there's probably a way I could have avoided it, but given how little space you have it was not likely.
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FUCK (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=10968)
Learn them spells, dogg! You're making Flying Phoenix about 999999 times harder than it needs to be, and Honest Man's Death is pretty simple to clear once you learn the trick. If those two spells didn't eat up so many of your resources I bet you could make it much further. The way you handle the early part of the stage is pretty sketchy, too; you gotta stop focusing and use Reimu's homing amulets more! You'll have to dodge way less bullets that way. I'm at my parent's house doing laundry right now, but when I get home I'll whip up a replay to show you how I do the stage portion, as well as Mokou's early spells. Flying Phoenix is easier to just show, but here's how Honest Man's Death works:
All of the red bullets are aimed directly at you but there's a little delay before she adjusts her shots, so streaming them and crossing back over isn't too difficult once you learn the timing. The laser doesn't actually get a hitbox until it hits the point where you were when it first spawned, so you want to move into it and it's harmless. It behaves the same way every single time, so if you watch a replay you can basically just do what they do and capture it every time (or at least, like, one-bomb it.)
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So I passed that spell. Three times, even. Thanks, it helped a lot.
This is why I can't have nice things. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=10971)
so I heard you wanted me to unfocus? (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=10972)
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So here's (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=10974) that replay. I do some retarded scoring things in here so I'll add a couple notes here:
1) I shot at the big guys in the beginning unfocused because it gives time orbs, but you should switch to focus to kill them faster so they fire less. That'll give you more room to POC the power items they drop.
2) There are a few points where I don't kill some of the 'chain-throwing' familiar dudes so that I can kill them when they spawn the second 'spread' of familiars. Obviously that's unnecessary for survival, so just kill them all ASAP. You handled them really well in your replays, so don't change your strategy here.
3) I bomb a few times in the second half of the stage so I can collect point items. You handled those portions of the stage just fine, so one bomb should be all you need (for the part with the purple bullets followed by the aimed blue bullets.)
3) Don't spin around Mokou for her first nonspell haha
4) I move more than necessary on Xu-Fu's Dimension because I want to graze a bit more, but don't actually do that. The idea is about the same, though. Sit at the bottom of the screen and you only have to worry about the cards that are on the very bottom line. Just start on the far left side, then slowly tap over to avoid the diamond bullets she shoots and the cards at the bottom. This card is an easy capture like that.
5) Shooting unfocused during Possessed by Phoenix is just to get time orbs. Don't actually do that. Otherwise, the general movement pattern I used should work fine.
6) If you know how to capture Imperishable Shooting please tell me :<<<<
Basically, for the stage portion, you should be killing dudes faster. The big guys that summon familiars to circle themselves can be blown away before they shoot anything that would require precision dodging. You handled Flying Phoenix better in your second replay, but if you copy the method I used you should be able to capture it pretty easily. Same thing for Honest Man's Death.
In terms of the later spells, Phoenix's Tail is just straightforward dodging. It helps if you try to read ahead into the mess a bit. For 'Woo', it's not too bad if you can misdirect the last wave of the card. Fujiyama Volcano is a bitch and a half, but the method I use works for me pretty decently. It's hard to copy, though; you have to stay under Mokou as long as possible so you kill her before it gets really shitty to dodge. It seemed like you went into it blind. Most of the shots are pseudo-aimed at you, so you want to misdirect/stream the big explosives and then stream the fast red bullets. The other bullets exist purely to piss you off, unfortunately. It's really hard.
For PbP, I just fly in a circle around the edge of the screen for the first wave, then slowly tap up with the beat for the second wave, and then fly around in a circle for the last wave. The explosions are pretty tiny, so don't worry about moving too far there. Hourai Doll is basically 'fly around in a circle in the center of the screen' with extra bullets thrown in after a while. It's way easier than stuff like BoLaD and Q.E.D., although it's tough to capture unless you're good at really tight dodging.
You're pretty good, so I think you can clear the stage if you just go into the bossfight with more resources and master her early cards. The biggest wall for me was Fujiyama Volcano. Unfortunately there's no real good way to learn that spell outside of playing it in spell practice a whole lot and hoping you don't fuck up, because if you have to bomb the timing and patterns get all messed up and you're pretty screwed :X Keep at it! You can do it!!
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In terms of the later spells, Phoenix's Tail is just straightforward dodging. It helps if you try to read ahead into the mess a bit. For 'Woo', it's not too bad if you can misdirect the last wave of the card. Fujiyama Volcano is a bitch and a half, but the method I use works for me pretty decently. It's hard to copy, though; you have to stay under Mokou as long as possible so you kill her before it gets really shitty to dodge. It seemed like you went into it blind. Most of the shots are pseudo-aimed at you, so you want to misdirect/stream the big explosives and then stream the fast red bullets. The other bullets exist purely to piss you off, unfortunately. It's really hard.
Ah, how observant. That was my second time meeting Phoenix Tail and my first time seeing Fujiyama Volcano. I'mmmmmmmm not sure how exactly I'm supposed to capture that any time soon.
You're pretty good,
Ha ha ha ha ha :]
Explain the wall that is Captain Murasa at 60fps
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Explain the wall that is Captain Murasa at 60fps
There are gaps in the wall. You must be able to look beyond the edge of the screen.
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Eh, what?
I figured that around 70% of my failure can be attributed to the last fifth of the fourth stage, where items, bullets, UFO collection, and general clustersmeg all goes to hell in a hamsterball.
I counted three deaths to stray bullets when I'm focusing elsewhere in the chaos.
So when I enter Murasa's fight with 1 life and 1 bomb, I end up dying on either Sinker Ghost or Phantom Port Harbor (?).
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Was doing great on PCB stage 4 Easy with max starting lives (I'm terrible, if it hasn't sunk in yet)
Died a lot of derp deaths to Lunasa (who I find a lot easier than Lyrica on easy, anyways)
Went into stage 5 with 1 life and 3 bombs.
Died another derp death. Okay, fine. I'll get a couple free lives after Youmu -
*forgets to redirect the opener*
FUUUUUUUU--
*pachew*
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Ugh, so I get Phantasm romance and try it for the first time last night. I 1cc both normal and other mode on my first tries, with 5 and 3 extra lives left respectively.
I try playing it today like 6 times, and can't even reach suika with 3 lives left on normal mode. wtf seriously.. Well except for my first attempt today which doesn't really count since I unlocked Yukari on stage 4 or whatever and decided to give it a go. what a crappy fight. She's not so bad until her last 2 spellcards or whatever which are TOTAL memory fests only. I mean It's like the final part of her final spellcard in PCB (the one where you start dodging at 9 o'clock and start rotating clockwise until you're at about 3 o'clock then you win). Except for the first 2 waves (out of like 50 bajillion), you really can't just twitch it. blah.
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SUNNAVA BITCH (http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/7553/picture7ee.png)
hint: 449/450 point items and see those point items right above the FULL POWERUP item?
FUCK.
Would have made it if i wasn't using slow assed reimu.
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Mefi handed my bitch of an ass to me ten times over each and every match for 4 matches in Soku. "Oh, I haven't played this in a year!" doesn't make it hurt any less.
Also, if I could filter out my bad deaths in PCB Phantasm, I would have Yukari beat thrice over in a single playthrough.
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EoSD Stage 3 Perfect attempt.
Death on Colorful Sign [Colorful Rain] followed by capturing [Extreme Colorful Typhoon] for the first time ever. :qq:
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So did a run of SA hard to see how the difficulty on that was since it's been a while.
Completely and totally easy for the most part.
I died on
Satori's opener
Terrifying Hypnotism
Cat Walk
Hell's Tokamak
Hell's Tokamak again
All deaths were totally stupid and I should have 1 lifed it.
Oh, and that life piece that I let drop off the screen after Kisume. That won't make any difference in the ending lives. Guess how many life pieces away I was from a life at the end.
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I got inspired by the incredible no vertical extra runs and attempted a no horizonal SA extra (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11000)
I figured out the optimal survival strategy for the pre midboss stage part, and I believe Sanae can be defeated with a single strategic bomb (talking about the one to get into position after her second card, not killing her during dialogue. And even that one might be optional, not entirely sure) and bucketload of luck. I guess Koishi's first card could be beaten if you remember where the lazors spawn ::) and use your bombs with good timing. The rest of the fight will be a dead end though :(
I've considered a GFW extra no horizontal, but the red rings of death fairies are painful, it should be more viable to beat, since you can destroy bullets and everything... but I dunno.
Suggestions are welcome!
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I can usually perfect stages 1-3 of PCB, and end up with a few lives after stage 4 easy.
The most recent run I did I derp deathed my way through all of 2-3 and ended up with exactly no bombs and no lives at the beginning of stage 5, dodged everything up unto spam bull shit part 1, and then died.
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SA Extra No Vert and Stuff
See: This (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=1339), and maybe my take (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=6957) on it from some time ago. Of note is the amount of luck required to do the second survival (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ouPQGshVm8) Spell Card without having the bullets coming in from the side actually being in your path, thus omnomnom'ing your precious resources.
You may also want to consider (if it's worth your time) to learn how to potentially do "Youkai Polygraph" with minimal bomb usage / deaths, though it requires some clever use of the gapping to effectively, redirect the bullets coming from the polygraph itself thereby allowing you to continuously loop around without ever leaving the bottom.
Sanae can be (or should be) defeated with relative ease, though using a single bomb to get by had negligible consequences on your resources further down the line IIRC.
As for Fairy Wars, :shrug:
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Eh, what?
I figured that around 70% of my failure can be attributed to the last fifth of the fourth stage, where items, bullets, UFO collection, and general clustersmeg all goes to hell in a hamsterball.
I counted three deaths to stray bullets when I'm focusing elsewhere in the chaos.
So when I enter Murasa's fight with 1 life and 1 bomb, I end up dying on either Sinker Ghost or Phantom Port Harbor (?).
The stage is 100% about dodging. (Which is pretty sweet btw.) Concentrate on dodging the bullets before anything else. You don't want to lose three lives to stray bullets right. Make UFO collection secondary. I know, its a pain but if you wanna play this you gotta live with it.
All of Murasa's non-spells are simple and pattern-based. Not too bad on Normal mode when things are slow.
Her first spellcard i assume you understand the simplicity of. At her second spellcard its important to know that the way the bullets are aimed depends on your position in relation to Murasa. You want to stand under her as much as possible.
Her third spellcard: The anchors are aimed. On Normal mode, all the AB bullets should allign themselves in a simple pattern. With a bit of practice you should be able to get it down.
With her final card you'll want to move as much as possible to she doesn't get all the bullets cluttered together.
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RAWR RAGE TIMES 10 #?%&#?/FF"#& MarisaC SA Nitori cards...
Fuck. Those things are damn hard. Even the third one that i thought would be simple. And the second Kappa Porocca seems to be the most menacing one.
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Oh god Phantasm you are a thorn in my side
Please help me with stupid cards that I am being stupid on
Protection of Zenki and Goki (09/29)
Dakini's Heavenly Possession (09/26)
Curse of Dreams and Reality (01/12)
Boundary of Motion and Silence (00/08)
Mesh of Light and Darkness (04/08)
Xanadu of Straight and Curve (04/05)
Yukari's Spiriting Away (02/05)
Butterfly in the Zen Temple (00/04)
Double Death Butterfly (00/03)
Ran Freaking Yakumo Stinks And Needs To Die (00/02)
Card No. 139 (00/00)
Card No. 140 (00/00)
Card No. 141 (00/00)
On a sidenote, I've hit the 20 hour gameplay time mark in PCB.
I don't think that's a particularly "good" thing.
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Boundary of Motion and Silence
Move in a counter-clockwise circle above the bottom to stream the familiars and dodge the bullets.
You have to keep moving.
Butterfly in the Zen Temple
This should be easy 100% capture if you get it. Basically when you hear the sound (or when all bullets become cherry items) move up left unfocused and start to circle around her. Exit when the red lasers deactivate.
Shikigami Ran
Ran is aimed at your horizontal position. If you stay at the bottom, you can avoid the bullets that she fire when hitting the bottom. Otherwise, just don't get too close when she charges towards you.
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Thanks... I can't get that far anymore though...
Double Spoilerrrrrr
Level Five is Difficult! :V
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Perfect run of GFW Extra stage portion, enter Marisa with 604% motivation and 300% Perfect Freeze.
Game over on Test Slave. .
what
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I hate Utsuho.
Another No Vert failure (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11015)
No vert 1cc is pretty much 1 miss or no miss up to Utsuho and hoping not to derp which is way too damn easy to do on No Vert. So of course I derp(and had more than 1 miss as well before) and don't have enough resources to time out the final. That and well I don't know how to properly handle the final without vertical movement.
I will get this no vert 1cc, I will. Those final 2 cards though are just complete BS like that though.
If anyone has tips for not derping No Vert Utsuho and Orin, It'd be helpful.
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I don't even get how you'd beat Heaven or Hell Meltdown no vert, never mind Artificial Sun.
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hell and Heaven Meltdown is obviously bomb and die a lot. Nothing can be done about that because you're in a sun.
Final card is staying to the side since the only vertical movement is what the card forces. Problem is that it takes so many resources to time the card out since due to bomb armor and invincibility times you can't just stay in the sun to kill it.
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Got to Yuyu's last non-survival card, no lives. 2 bombs. And rammed a bubble on the first wave. :colonveeplusalpha:
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AAAARRGHHFFFGGCCGCGHKKK DOUBLE SPOILERRR
23 SCENES CAPTURED AND LEVEL 6 IS A BITCH
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Why does Suwa War always have to ruin my MoF Extra perfect runs? I'm always so close to a capture when I die...
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I've been playing these games for over six months or so. I've only recently been able to 1cc anything on a semi-consistent basis. On Normal. The only Extra I can beat between EoSD PCB and IN (haven't really played the other games at all) is IN. PCB's in particular is pretty overwhelming for me. I've never even made it to the boss and the midboss embarrasses me horribly (and to think, some people can do it in one try.)
People saying they suck when they're so much better than me makes me look like a chump. :(
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I've been playing these games for over six months or so. I've only recently been able to 1cc anything on a semi-consistent basis. On Normal. The only Extra I can beat between EoSD PCB and IN (haven't really played the other games at all) is IN. PCB's in particular is pretty overwhelming for me. I've never even made it to the boss and the midboss embarrasses me horribly (and to think, some people can do it in one try.)
People saying they suck when they're so much better than me makes me look like a chump. :(
Hey. Hey. Hey.
I am quite legitimately terrible at Touhou.
You beat the IN Extra, and I can only get to Fujiyama Volcano.
Also, UFO and SA are arse. If you're a Normal player, than Easy is around the difficulty of Normal in IN.
As for the PCB extra, it's pretty much ALL ABOUT STREAMING.
Wave 1: Aimed. Micrododge to graze for score.
Wave 2: Not aimed. Don't screw yourself over.
Wave 3 and 4: Aimed. Micrododge to graze for score.
Try to take out these fairies early, before they shoot off everywhere.
Move to the left. Shoot down the fairy with spinning bullets.
Move to the right. Shoot down the fairy with spinning bullets.
Repeat three times.
Fairies will appear with aimed bullets, although one isn't aimed, while rows appear at the top.
Shoot them down early, they drop ~30 Points. When they stop shooting, they move off the screen via the side opposite to which they appear.
Wheel around their bullets.
Chen's Nonspell- Don't move until the bullets stop firing.
Nudge to the left. Repeat.
As for her second pattern, try to find an area that allows you to dodge both waves at the same time.
Nudge upward to avoid the blue bullets after they stop firing.
First Card- start at the top or bottom, stream downwards, dodging randomspam. Stream upwards the next wave. Repeat.
Second Card- Hard to explain- I have a very specific method of capture for this- and I don't recommend it
Post Chen is really a repitition of the past stage bits.
At the end, there's a large cloud of randomspam fairies and death circles. The death circles are aimed, and fixed, so they should be easy to avoid the first time you go through them.
Good luck~
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Hey. Hey. Hey.
I am quite legitimately terrible at Touhou.
You beat the IN Extra, and I can only get to Fujiyama Volcano.
Also, UFO and SA are arse. If you're a Normal player, than Easy is around the difficulty of Normal in IN.
As for the PCB extra, it's pretty much ALL ABOUT STREAMING.
Wave 1: Aimed. Micrododge to graze for score.
Wave 2: Not aimed. Don't screw yourself over.
Wave 3 and 4: Aimed. Micrododge to graze for score.
Try to take out these fairies early, before they shoot off everywhere.
Move to the left. Shoot down the fairy with spinning bullets.
Move to the right. Shoot down the fairy with spinning bullets.
Repeat three times.
Fairies will appear with aimed bullets, although one isn't aimed, while rows appear at the top.
Shoot them down early, they drop ~30 Points. When they stop shooting, they move off the screen via the side opposite to which they appear.
Wheel around their bullets.
Chen's Nonspell- Don't move until the bullets stop firing.
Nudge to the left. Repeat.
As for her second pattern, try to find an area that allows you to dodge both waves at the same time.
Nudge upward to avoid the blue bullets after they stop firing.
First Card- start at the top or bottom, stream downwards, dodging randomspam. Stream upwards the next wave. Repeat.
Second Card- Hard to explain- I have a very specific method of capture for this- and I don't recommend it
Post Chen is really a repitition of the past stage bits.
At the end, there's a large cloud of randomspam fairies and death circles. The death circles are aimed, and fixed, so they should be easy to avoid the first time you go through them.
Good luck~
Thanks for the tips. Actually, your post about how you have put 20 hours into PCB and still have trouble with Phantasm is part of why I made that post. I've put 45 hours into that game myself, so thats why I got pretty discouraged. My play time in IN is 93 hours as well. THAT is why I consider myself terrible at Touhou. :)
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Ah, it's cool. PCB is actually the first TH I've played, but I've been gaming since I was three.
Speaking of
MY PECEEBEE HARD ONESEESEE
IT IS BOTCHED
NOOOOOOOO (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11044)
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1)Reach 50mil score on easy with shiki against reimu
2)Kill reimu without dieing once
3)50mil + score and 5 lives left= BEST EASY SCORE EVER!!!!!!
4)
(http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4413/fuuuuuuuuuun.png)
5)
:o
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Resurrection Butterfly, WHY?
It's like every time I do a practice run, I capture it without fail; every time I do a real run, I fail it without capture.
(Note that this does not extend to the Lunatic version, which I fail without capture both on practice and real runs)
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You beat the IN Extra, and I can only get to Fujiyama Volcano.
Oh, and about that:
Past "Ancient History" 32/151
Reincarnation "Returning-Bridge Ichijo" 29/150
Future "The Next History of Phantasm" 80/148
Limiting Edict "Ihakasa's Moon Curse" 3/122
Immortal "Fire Bird -Flying Phoenix-" 28/119
Fujiwara "Flaw of Forgiving Shrine" 28/107
Deathless "Xu Fu's Dimension" 75/98
Forgiveness "honest Man's Death" 37/90
Hollow Giant "Woo" 3/76
Everlasting "Phoenix's Tail" 7/67
Hourai "Fujiyama Volcano" 0/54 (5/409 in spell practice)
"Possessed by Phoenix" 4/36
"Hourai Doll" 0/20
"Imperishable Shooting" 0/1
I have beaten the stage 8 or 9 times. The most I've gotten in a single run is 9 cards (everything before Phoenix's Tail, actually) and that was kind of luck. If I can do it, you can do it (assuming you haven't already.)
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Blah blah "I'm terrible" blah. You know what's really terrible?
Ragequitting multiple PCB runs.
On Normal!
Final one after dieing 3 times on Youmu's 1st 3 attacks.
:fail:
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The first three stages and part of stage four were good, but...
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11054
I mean, what the hell happened?
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Possessed by Phoenix game over after entering with 1/3
HEAD DESK
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Entered SA Stage 5 with 6 lives. Game over on Orin's 2nd card.
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How many times do I have to mash the bomb key before it actually works?! How many?! I could've made it to Yukari's second-to-last spell card with 2 lives left if the amount of time allotted for deathbombing in PCB was more than negative 0.5 seconds. Instead, I died at her Ran card again. Again. AGAIN.
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CHEEEEEEEEN! (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11063)
Okay, so I hit a butterfly instead of Chen, but that makes it even more rage-worthy. I was so fucking close to a perfect run!
At least I can keep a confidence boost from capturing Kokkuri-san's Contract and Izuna Gongen in the same run. I will get this.
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Just tried PoFV lunatic out of the blue.
...
Okay, now that I literally have a headache from that, let's remember why we made a pact to never play this game again.
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Requires advice for the capturing
How do (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11066)
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Installed vsynch to PoFV, ran lunatic. Got to Reimu with two lives to burn.
Sigh. I swear I will fell you PoFV.
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Installed vsynch to PoFV, ran lunatic. Got to Reimu with two lives to burn.
Sigh. I swear I will fell you PoFV.
Wait, what? PoFV has built-in v-sync though.
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PoFV has built-in v-sync though.
Which is sort of not very good. Input lag is nowhere near as bad as unpatched PCB but still quite noticeable.
Then again I did this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksh09yatS_8) without the patch so it's also obviously possible to ignore it to an extent. :D
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Requires advice for the capturing
How do (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11066)
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11070
Make sure you're at the bottom (or top, I guess) of the screen when the blue wave starts and then tap down in time with the beat of the music once the bullets start coming out. Even if you can't consistently capture it you should be able to do it with one bomb/deathbomb at the tail end of the blue part. The rest is just flying around in a circle.
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Not as bad? It was utterly unplayable. Now it's just unfun.
Also, lolfinalreimuisimpossible.
EDIT: Through somehow scoring well, I reached the 70 million extend and am entering Reimu with three lives remaining. Why do I sense a despair moment coming really fast?
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Double Spoiler, Hatate, 9-1. On the last couple of pictures it seemed like every time I went to move in for a shot that Satori would move away and I'd just miss the photo. Probably 8 or 9 times I had the clock run down to less then 20 seconds and then I'd get hit by some stray shot (with one photo remaining of course). Raaaage!
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So my friend has 12.8 and I don't so I wanted to try it
WHAT THE HELL DO YOU MEAN C IS SHOOT
WHY IS STAGE ONE THIS HARD
WHY IS SUNNY MILK BULLSHIT
WHY DON'T YOU HAVE BOMBS (to start?)
AAAAAARRRGGHHH
on the bright side he brought back insta-continues
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(http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo161/kewlguy715/AUGH-1.jpg)
*headdesk
*headdesk
*headdesk
nm, you win.
AUGH.
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rabble rabble rabble
Calm the fuck down, jesus christ.
You can still use Z to shoot, you just have to tap it, like you would in PoFV. You need to freeze your way through the game; you'll get bombs and extra lives from there. Learn to chainfreeze as much as possible and you'll find yourself needing bombs less and less.
And yes, the game is hard, but it's only three stages long, so get used to it.
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Calm the fuck down, jesus christ.
You can still use Z to shoot, you just have to tap it, like you would in PoFV. You need to freeze your way through the game; you'll get bombs and extra lives from there. Learn to chainfreeze as much as possible and you'll find yourself needing bombs less and less.
And yes, the game is hard, but it's only three stages long, so get used to it.
It's probably the only Touhou in which Stage 1 on Normal defeats me :I
I've had a bit more practice since then so continue-whoring gets me to at least the middle of Sunny's fight.
That's not to say that the controls don't suck, oh no.
I'm having trouble finding an appropriate joystick configuration for it.
As for this thread, I started picking up Hard modes.
EoSD: Stage 4 :I
PCB: Stage 5 (Asura Sword caught me off gaurd- it's like a new pattern?)
IN: Stage 5 (Reisen again :/ )
MoF: Sanae.
SA: ... .... Parsee.
UFO: Ichirin. Strangely enough, the first two stages are easier on Hard than on Normal for me?
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(http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo161/kewlguy715/AUGH-1.jpg)
nm, you win.
AUGH.
Something like that happened to me once too when I entered QED with 0 live and bomb.
The second time I got to QED with 0 live/bomb though...
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PCB Extra. 146 attempts (including retries) and this is the best I can do.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11099
See how well the intro goes up to and including Chen's opener? That happens about 20% of the time. The rest are restarts. Any deaths before Chen warrant a retry. Of the 20% of the tries that DO make it to Chen, most (but not all) do make it to Ran. Of all of the tries that make it to Ran, only about a quarter of them turn out as being even remotely improved over prior attempts. That's what it feels like anyway.
The stage portion after the midboss gives me more trouble than it should. Memorizing it hasn't gone so smoothly so far. Unilateral Contract seems pretty confusing as well. Advice is appreciated.
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I don't know about stages with MarisaA (having only beat extra with ReimuA, ReimuB and SakuyaA), but for Unilateral Contact the idea is you want to move against the flow. The rest is just "don't die".
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Stage portion
1. Try to perfect pre-Chen (it is possible to get all items without bombs, but you have to sneak a poc in those 4-sets of fairies) or at least use only 1 bomb (to get items near the end before Chen). You should memorize the spawn points of pretty much everything so you can kill things fast.
2. for post-Chen, just stay near the bottom dodging and use borders to collect items. Use a bomb in the yellow-bullet spam if you happen to not have a border. In extra, you don't need that many since you won't reach the 800 point extend unless you pretty much no death the whole thing.
3. Unilateral contact: it's skill based. You have to stay above the bottom and I find moving to the side helps a bit. If you have a border, you can time it to cancel out 2 waves at the same time.
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Not a failure, but this is the closest topic.
Finally captured Satori's Recollection "Return Inanimateness" on Lunatic
The game crashed. The capture didn't go into my spell record.
Also, Recollection "Spring Kyoto Dolls" just keeps messing me up when trying to capture it.
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http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11129
Holy crap. So close. So far. Kokkuri-san's Contract is as confusing as I thought it looked. My first 2 or 3 deaths were annoyingly avoidable. That definitely held this attempt back.
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hay it's been a while since I even touched pcb
I wonder if I can clear shikigami ran now
oh crap I suck at phantasm now what'll I do
ah, let's play the extra stage instead
wait
what
why do i suck here now too
whyyyy ;-;
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Did I really just game over on Yuyuko's 4th easier than fuck nonspell!? With 3 bombs in stock? What?!
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ASS (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11145)
what is up with this game's hitboxes
EOSD isn't even that hard
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I finally get another PCB Extra perfect attempt up to Kokkuri-san's Contract.
My finger accidentally taps the bomb key as I bring it back to my keyboard.
Of all things...
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So, drawing inspiration from a recent post in the Accomplishments thread, I decided I'd vie for an Easy 1CC on SA.
Near-perfect Satori fight and reasonable lives upon entry to Stage 6.
Okay, looks good.
Game over on Utsuho's third nonspell.
:I
It brings me great shame to find that I cannot best this game on Easy :'(
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I cannot
try again
that's all there is to it, really
this works all the way up to lunatic and beyond
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try again
that's all there is to it, really
this works all the way up to lunatic and beyond
Quoted for emphasis. Listen to this man.
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PCB extra failure time again!
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11173
Why do I even bother.
That's just my BEST attempt. Here's a more typical attempt. It sucks:
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11174
My history:
Oni Sign "Blue Oni Red Oni" - 20/46
Oni Sign "Soaring Guardian God" - 12/42
Shikigami "Wizard Fox Thoughts" - 34/37
Shikigami "Banquet of 12 General Gods" - 0/37 (I always border break to nullify that first wave)
Radiance "Fox-Tanuki Youkai Laser" - 12/35
Radiance "Charming Seige from All Sides" - 7/34
Radiance "Princess Tenko -Illusion-" - 3/21
Shikigami's Shot "Ultimate Buddhist" - 2/24
Shikigami's Shot "Unilateral Contact" - 0/15
Shikigami "Chen" - 0/9
"Kokkuri-sans Contract" - 0/6
Illusion God "Descent of Izuna Gongen" - 0/1
Time played: 58:31.
This seems to indicate I've put 13 hours in the Extra stage alone. I don't get how this is even possible.
Total attempts: 251
Times retried: 179
Of all my retires, 95% consist of me dying some time before the midboss. I know how that part of the stage goes, I just suck a lot at it
I am the benchmark for terrible players. Some should compare themselves to me before saying they're bad.
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But you did get to Izuna Gongen. I wouldn't call that terrible.
And don't worry about time. Take as long as you need to practice this stuff, and anything else for that matter. None of us here will call you out over how long it takes you to do something.
To stay on topic: God I suck at collecting UFOs. Never had more than a few lives throughout the whole attempt, especially after derping [i[twice[/i] on midboss-Ichirin's nonspell ::). And of course I gameovered on Shou.
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I wasn't afraid of being "called out" or anything. I just feel like I'm hitting my head against a wall. I progress too slowly for my own tastes. Oh well, I'm tired of bitching for now.
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[22:43:10] <Naut> ugh no miss stage 1,2,3 ufo, one miss stage 4, lose the rest of my lives to stage 5... time to stop
I'd like to stop losing all my lives on stage 5 plzkthx ufo
I'd much rather lose them on stage 6
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I'd like to stop losing all my lives on stage 5 plzkthx ufo
ufo
Well there's your problem. :V
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Wasn't collecting any, how could it be my problem?
:V
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Wasn't collecting any, how could it be my problem?
:V
Because you didn't collect any.
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Because you didn't collect any.
Thing is, collecting UFOs is a "damned if you do (everywhere, really), damned if you don't (last two stages)" situation, as I see it. Props to those who can do no UFO runs, not only for the skill, but for actually having the patience to do it.
EDIT: Starting to incorporate a few scoring techniques in SA. Get past Parsee just fine, Stage 3's stage portion done as I normally approach it for safety's sake.
Lose three straight lives to Yuugi for a game over.
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Thing is, collecting UFOs is a "damned if you do (everywhere, really), damned if you don't (last two stages)" situation, as I see it. Props to those who can do no UFO runs, not only for the skill, but for actually having the patience to do it.
I only got two problems with UFO's.
- "Goddammit get back down here, i can't pick you up while you hover among the enemies. Get down here, no don't turn red now. I need you to be red when you get back here again."
- "Okay, pick up the red UFO and get another life. No!! Why'd you turn blue in the middle of everything. Goddammit".
And the occasional situation when UFO's are actually summoned but you don't manage to kill them and they drift off with all your items, bombs, life pieces whatever.
Oh and are you referring to accidentally picking up UFO's and thus wrecking your No-UFO challenge? Yeah, i can imagine that being annoying. Personally i'll just give props to them because they can clear UFO with Cave resources.
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Personally i'll just give props to them because they can clear UFO with Cave resources.
346707925 bombs per life? I'm no bombing as well, so yeah.
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346707925 bombs per life? I'm no bombing as well, so yeah.
Moo. DOJ hardly gives you any bombs. The original DDP though... you get more bombs there. And more bombs is more challenging than having more lives... given how often i die with a large bomb stock.
Good luck with your 4-lives no-bomb 1cc.
(How many lives does the game actually give you if you don't use UFO's?. You start with two extra lives and Nue drops one in Stage 4. Iirc the bosses drops a few life pieces, though not really sure.)
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9 I believe.
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Yeah, they drop nine life pieces, which gives you two extra lives. So you have two lives to start, plus three gained from bosses/Nue to make five total.
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Loosing my last life on Okuu's final spell card on my easy mode 1cc. Died right as I started hearing the low life sound.... Good thing no one was up cause I screamed pretty loudly at the screen.... :ohdear:
It's all that stupid cats fault. I can just about get through the entire first 4 stages without loosing a single life (1 or 2 at most, usually on Satori), but stages 5 and 6 will take every single one of my extra lives and thats before I even get to that stupid radioactive birdbrain. I hate how the game forces you to restart a stage when you loose all of your lives. I can't beat stage 6 with the default number of lives so I can't even practice it. MoF and UFO weren't so bad. MoF I could pretty much go the entire game until Kanako pretty much miss free and her last spell card is the only one that REALLY gives me trouble so I usually have plenty of lives to spare on it. UFO I pretty much got super lucky. I've yet to be able to replicate being able to beat Hijiri without a single miss, but even that game I would still have plenty of lives left for her.
But Okuu...That final spell card is just evil. Bullets coming from both sides AND you being drawn into the center. Not to mention her card before that is pretty much just as hard. It took me months just to be able to beat THAT card. Ugh...this game really pisses me off sometimes. It doesn't help that I can't even 1cc the games on normal and yet all you guys ever complain about is not being able to complete your bizzare lunatic level no vert, no focus, no miss, no bomb, pacifist runs with you hands tied behind your back (gross exaggeration I know, but still)
Sorry, rant over.
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Tried this no UFO's 1cc thing for the lulz.
Got all the way to Byakuren. I then game over because I apparently forgot how to do Magic Butterfly. :X
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It's all that stupid cats fault. I can just about get through the entire first 4 stages without loosing a single life (1 or 2 at most, usually on Satori), but stages 5 and 6 will take every single one of my extra lives and thats before I even get to that stupid radioactive birdbrain.
it happened to me too when I was still trying to 1cc normal mode...
Enter Orin with 9 lives, came out with 4, then just proceed to blow all of them away at Okuu for some reason.
Can't believe how much I raged.
The only way I see is to practice stage 5 to death...
like memorize the stage (spawn points of orbs, where not to shoot, gap abuse, planned bombs, etc)
and like fight orin to death (50+ times or something), with many planned bomb if necessary.
But Okuu...That final spell card is just evil. Bullets coming from both sides AND you being drawn into the center.
Get into a fixed tapping pattern (like right/left, down x3, repeat) when on that card so that you only have to focus on dodging the small dots from above.
Apparently the difficult of that card doesn't increase very much from normal to lunatic,
and I think that's why everybody is saying it's loleasy when it might hard for others.
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It's funny how I can get to 30s on BoHaY and yet Alice trips me up on Hard :derp:
Speaking of, I got to Yukari with 4/2/492Pt on my 98th attempt and got to Boundary of Humans and Youkai.
(The records menu says 99 tries, but the spellcard section says Zenki and Goki is at 10/33, so...)
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The only way I see is to practice stage 5 to death...
like memorize the stage (spawn points of orbs, where not to shoot, gap abuse, planned bombs, etc)
and like fight orin to death (50+ times or something), with many planned bomb if necessary.
The number of times I've attempted Normal Cat's Walk is something like 70 before I 1cc'd SA Normal, so yeah.
Practice the hell (no pun intended) out of the stage and you'll have enough lives to throw away for Okuu ^^
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Tried this no UFO's 1cc thing for the lulz.
Got all the way to Byakuren. I then game over because I apparently forgot how to do Magic Butterfly. :X
Bombs, y/n?
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Bombs, y/n?
Just about to ask that question. So what will it be Jaimie?
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Just the two per life.
What? Was the first run in ages mang.
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Hope this spells preparation for the LR achievements... :V
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DAMNIT NAUT DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMNIT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut60SD5MjhI)
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WHAT
Can I has advice
MoF extra is balls
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It's amazing how consistent I am at 1DNBing Nue. It really is. It's also amazing how I only keep getting better and better. I finally figured out how to master Blue UFOs, I figured out the obvious dope trick to making dodging Undefined Darkness easier, I even thought of a way to maximize survival potential on Grudge Bow.
So WHY. CAN'T. I. PERFECT. HER?
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WHAT
Can I has advice
MoF extra is balls
1. Use MarisaC
2. Win
Or, if you're insistent on using ReimuB...
between memorizing the spawn points, remember you can bomb ten bajillion times and still have 5.00 power by the time you get to Suwako.
Bomb whenever you feel uncomfortable with Suwako's noncards (I am unreliable as shit on her opener. T_T)
Moreover, do we get a replay, and what are you having trouble with?
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I've 1cc'd many of the games multiple times with multiple different characters. Still, I've cleared more extra stages than I have 1cc's of SA. I haven't played it in about 3 months, and now that I'm playing it again, I'm doing awful.
Man, this game, it's a thing.
EDIT: Died on Parsee TWICE because I crashed into while she was stationary. Why does this game hate me?!
WHAT
Can I has advice
MoF extra is balls
Honest? I beat MoF extra first because I thought it was by far the easiest. I can get to Suwako's last 3 spell cards on a very regular basis, and I've beaten her 3 times, which is 3 times more than I have on the other extra stages I've beaten.
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WHAT
Can I has advice
MoF extra is balls
1. bomb the stage, memorize spawn points of fairies
2. Learn Suwako's non-spells (you can kill them before they get dangerous if you use ReimuB/MariC)
3. Learn Suwako's first spell
4. bomb even more
5. ???
6. Win
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1. Use MarisaC
2. Win
Forget trying to play with a DDR-pad and try a keyboard. It helps. :V
Bombing tricky non-spells helps. Learning how do the spells too helps. She only has one hard attack about dodging. Froggy. You should bomb that too.
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Was doing fairly good on a UFO easy run. Derped a couple of Murasa's spell cards, but came into stage 5 with about 5 lives, no bombs. Shou's giant blue pillars made me rage with their hitbox (I moved after the laser disappeared, and pew), went into stage 6 with 2 lives, 3 bombs. Got to Great Devil's Recitation, then rammed a pink bullet. :flamingv:
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http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11227
HOW DOES THAT FIRST CARD WORK?
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Watch a replay. You have to misdirect it, and then it's trivial.
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HOW DOES THAT WORK?
Watch a replay.
Oh yeah that's another thing that also works all the way up to lunatic and beyond.
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.... ;_____; Why???
After so much... *Cries* Why Shikieiki?!
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11232
P.D: The only fun match is the Komachi one
;__;
Fake edit: I unfocused a bit on stage 6(7?)
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http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11227
HOW DOES THAT FIRST CARD WORK?
Party Start is all about misdirection. First of all, you should play this card up higher, around the middle area of the screen and no lower. Stay on whichever side the green lasers are on (they alternate left, right, left, right, etc.), since they come down later. The two "claps" will sound, followed by two fainter chiming sounds. These chimes signal when the masses of bullets start moving toward you - it's important that you're by the green lasers when this happens, as they will travel out of the way enough to not pose any threat. After the bullets pass, slip between the sets of orange lasers and repeat the process.
If I can comment about the rest of your replay, you should probably be bombing less on the stage. MoF Extra has a bunch of streaming attacks, and all of them (except perhaps the red bullet Great Fairies before Kanako and the green spreads in the second half) are simple, provided you don't make any crazy movements. Spend a bit of time to learn the stage portion's patterns, and you'll see just how easy they can be.
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The red bullet fairies before Kanako are easy enough. Circle around the screen.
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Dammit Raymoo, why u do dis. (http://www.mediafire.com/?opx2m51clbtjo24) That's the third time her third card has ruined a Lunatic 1cc of Soku with Tenshi for me.
...it's okay to use this thread for the fighters too, right? I swear I remember people doing that in the past. :V
EDIT: Forgot the replay lol
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Can someone explain to me why I can get the same distance on normal and hard but I can never seem to 1cc IN at 3 lives?
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Can someone explain to me why I can get the same distance on normal and hard but I can never seem to 1cc IN at 3 lives?
Because of the ubiquitous difficulty spike.
Imagine a line on a graph that represents the extent of your ability.
The Normal line and the Hard line probably are close together at first, but they both spike up at the same stage. For me, it's either St. 4 or St. 5 in IN, depending on my character.
It's kind of like how I can PCB Lunatic relatively well until it comes crashing down at Alice, and Hard at Youmu. I'd say they're at relatively the same difficulty?
I usually crash at Youmu or Yuyuko on Normal though, but that's more related to a "Holy crap I'm almost done" mindset.
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I can't even play these any more it seems. What the hell happened to cause me to start failing at everything.
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I should probably just give up. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11241)
I've been playing seven months and I can't even survive when bullet density is above "non-existant." When I started, I couldn't even beat this game with all continues and five lives per credit. I guess you could say I've "improved" in that respect (based on my normal mode runs at least.)
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hello is this the MoF extra boss
NO, THIS IS MADNESS (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11244)
Thanks and all for your help with her first card. Please give me a moment to familiarize myself a bit more with Green River and Snake Eats Frog.
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I just game overed on an easy mode no bomb run in PCB. On Resurrection Butterfly 10%. I had six total lives going into the final battle, too. Yeah.
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hello is this the MoF extra boss
NO, THIS IS MADNESS (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11244)
Thanks and all for your help with her first card. Please give me a moment to familiarize myself a bit more with Green River and Snake Eats Frog.
replay (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11246)
Okay, so you're bombing a lot during the stage, which, survival-wise, isn't too bad.
I tried my best to make an acceptable replay, timing out Kanako's spellcards.
Don't listen to my Party Start.
During Iron Rings, if you slowly move to the right at the beginning of each barrage, it'll be hell. The way I do it is to wait as long as I can, then rush around the directly above Suwako as quickly as I can, then rush back to the bottom. It's hard to explain, just watch it.
Jade River... For the first and third and every other wave, try to stay just below Suwako, and stream down the river as it moves. For the even waves, when you're at the bottom, hug the bottom side, rush through the top while there's still an opening, then stop moving...
dammit just watch the replay (and me suck at seven stones + elements)
To be honest, I've only captured elements three twice among all characters, and that was directly after clearing Extra at 90FPS.
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Mmm, I watched it.. and it made me feel so empowered and inspired
It's 01:20 so that's probably why I'm deteriorating (sp..?) as time goes on.
I at one point entered the fight at 98M with 4 lives and I still crashed at Iron Ring, Jade River, and then ended at the last 10% of Snake Eats Frog.
PROGRESS!
also, you are mistaken
I have made a habit out of not letting any items fall off the screen
ever
UFO not letting you collect items with a bomb makes me so freaking upset
WHY DOES (Normal!)MURASA KILL ME FOUR TIMES EVERY RUN
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........*Sigh*....
I guess i should give up for now the idea of 1ccing PoFV hard... :(
Or i could use Aya or Medicine. <Never!
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11267
Still, surviving 3 minutes vs Shikieiki with Marisa is a new record for me :)
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Okay, is there something wrong with the programming for this game? Or am I just missing something? I'm trying to unlock CtC Extra, and I've 1cc'd the game on Normal with all shottypes (as well as on Hard with MarisaC), but Extra is still locked. I've search online, and apparently other people had this problem too, but I couldn't find any real answers. Is there really something obvious I'm missing?
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I think Drake went on a rampage earlier because his solution to the Extra not unlocking was to watch the credit sequences.
Why does it have to be four minutes long, though...?
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Does that have to be for all four shottypes too? That I haven't done yet.
EDIT: I re-1cc'd Normal with all shottypes and let the credits roll normally. Extra is still not unlocked.
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Subterranean Animism is the only game I really have trouble on. Even on easy mode, I can't get passed the second stage. I've tried every character type, tried spamming bombs, and I STILL lose. (I don't continue fyi)
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Subterranean Animism is the only game I really have trouble on. Even on easy mode, I can't get passed the second stage. I've tried every character type, tried spamming bombs, and I STILL lose. (I don't continue fyi)
You too? I just play on another game and forget about SA for a little while (about 2 weeks) then go back and take a crack at it again.
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Mind if I see a replay? It could help to see how you're approaching things.
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Subterranean Animism is harder than your average Touhou game. For most of the games, I have 1cc'ed most if not all of the shot types on Normal. SA? One and only one.
Also, adding tonight's rage about how Orin is a great character, but a bitch of a boss.
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Read this thread? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,6618.0.html)
I dunno anymore.
Edit (for the sake of not being lazy): the only thing that I see that could affect it is... Alt+F4ing out of Danmakufu?
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I've found SA to be a big relief after MoF. Until Stage 5, anyway.
If I remember correctly, Stage 2 was Parsee's area? I don't actually spam bombs that much in SA. Unlike most Touhou games, bombs are pretty hard to recharge, considering they come directly out of your power gauge. And without a decent power gauge, you're not going to deal much damage to the bosses that come up.
If you want to get the most out of your bombs though, use Marisa + Nitori. Her bomb shields you AND blows stuff up. I haven't tried it, but I think they even work against the final/extra stage bosses during their spellcards.
Other favorites are....Marisa + Patchouli, for their variety of options (you can use focused firing, wide spread, horizontal spread, and I forgot the last one). And then there's Reimu + Suika if you're having a hard time with collecting points without dying.
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Merged with rage thread.
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Read this thread? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,6618.0.html)
I dunno anymore.
Edit (for the sake of not being lazy): the only thing that I see that could affect it is... Alt+F4ing out of Danmakufu?
I don't know either, dude. And no, I've never used alt+F4 for Danmakufu.
But I noticed something new. When I select a difficulty for Story Mode, I suddenly see that you can play all four scenarios with the same shottype (a feature I wasn't aware of before). As of right now, MarisaA, B, and C have Scenario D unlocked, but MarisaD doesn't have any others open. Does this mean something else is making Danmakufu not save my clear data properly? Maybe I should re-re-1cc the other scenarios when I have more free time (getting late where I am) just to make sure.
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Got past Murasa with 4 spare lives. Managed to blow it. I was at 0 spare lives after stage 5 then game overed on stage 6 opener.
I kind of forgot how to do Kogasa's train, and her first sucked as usual. And Bone Dry Monster likes spawning bullets almost right above me.
Died to Ichirin's memorization opener. Rest of the fight went horribly.
Died to midboss Nue on Stage 4 because I don't know how to properly do it.
Murasa went fine until Sinkable Vortex. Then the rest of the fight sucked.
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Enigma. Nothing of Ichirin's stuff is memo-garbage. And about Murasa... it went fine until things can actually start to go bad? There isn't anything that can realistically kill you before that.
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I don't know either, dude. And no, I've never used alt+F4 for Danmakufu.
But I noticed something new. When I select a difficulty for Story Mode, I suddenly see that you can play all four scenarios with the same shottype (a feature I wasn't aware of before). As of right now, MarisaA, B, and C have Scenario D unlocked, but MarisaD doesn't have any others open. Does this mean something else is making Danmakufu not save my clear data properly? Maybe I should re-re-1cc the other scenarios when I have more free time (getting late where I am) just to make sure.
To unlock CtC extra you gotta choose a chacterer and finish 2 scenarios with that characterer. If you finish the game with, say, Marisa A, when you go and play with Marisa C after finishing her scenario you can actually play Scenario A, finishing both scenarios with Marisa C unlocks the extra for her.
But, after that I suggest you just look in the internet for how to unlock phantasm on a cheesy way, it's not worth it to do it the normal way. Seriously, listen to my advice :derp:
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LOL, I decided to try to 1cc EoSD Hard with Reimu A. Perfected stage 1, 2, and 3. I got to Patchouli with the best amount of lives, bombs, and score I've ever had..... then she raped me. I lost all but one of my lives by the time I beat her. Throughout stage 5 I was bombspamming, and I managed to get to the Sakuya fight.
She then did ZA WARUDOThe World, finishing the job~
:colonveeplusalpha:
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Lasers on Ichirin's first nonspell can be memorized based on her position. I sure as hell don't read and dodge them.
And I often die or bomb to Murasa's first and second nonspells.
Oh, tried figuring out circle streaming in stage 3 without homing. All the attempts failed due to me running into fairies. Yet I can do it most of the time with ReimuB. Wallfairies, I can do it most of the time with ReimuB and not with anyone else.
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Eh? I dunno bout' that. I can read and dodge those things just fine. But if you've found some memorize-way then its cool i guess. It just doesn't sound very reliable. And let me tell you one thing more. If you can memorize Ichrin's first non-spell then you can memorize Murasa's 1st and 2nd non-spell too. Its pretty much the same movements every time.
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You can probably practice both openers in DS, can't you?
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To unlock CtC extra you gotta choose a chacterer and finish 2 scenarios with that characterer. If you finish the game with, say, Marisa A, when you go and play with Marisa C after finishing her scenario you can actually play Scenario A, finishing both scenarios with Marisa C unlocks the extra for her.
But, after that I suggest you just look in the internet for how to unlock phantasm on a cheesy way, it's not worth it to do it the normal way. Seriously, listen to my advice :derp:
So is that what the Wiki description meant? It wasn't clear enough regarding that. I suppose it makes sense though, as I believe I saw stuff saying Extra and Phantasm are unlocked for one specific character.
Problem is, it still didn't work. I mentioned that Scenario D was unlocked for everyone, so I went through it with MarisaC, but nothing changed again. Scenario C didn't even get unlocked for the other shottypes, as before. What I don't understand is why some of the scenarios aren't unlocking despite 1cc'ing them multiple times (again, credits left to roll normally for all).
To phrase it appropriately for this topic, I'm mad at CtC's programming for not cooperating.
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2DNB Kogasa
Second nonspell and Monster Train
Was using SanaeB obviously because I wouldn't try to perfect that fight with anyone else.
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So, SA... Stage 1 and 2? Wonderfully performed nearly each and every time. After that? A war of attrition that I always lose. It's just a matter of losing to Satori, Orin, or Utsuho.
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Was using SanaeB obviously because I wouldn't try to perfect that fight with anyone else.
MarisaA is almost as good as SanaeB at that fight. Then again, SanaeB is basically the best shot in the game bar none.
edit:
Was doing a practice run of Easy Byakuren for a score run.
Died once during Flying Fantastica. Got hit again JUST BEFORE THE BULLET-CLEARING WAVE REACHED MY SPOT 1/3 OF THE WAY UP THE SCREEN. BULL.
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Well, this isn't me failing, but the AI is in 12.3. Quite hilarious at the end.
Here it is! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXEKGJY3RHk)
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I haven't really recorded any failures...yet. But I am planning on recording my 1cc replay of Imperishable Night. That being the only game I've ever beaten flawlessly.
I've managed to get Kanako and Byakuren, in their respective titles, with quite few lives remaining, but I keep getting my rear end handed to me.
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"recording" -> "posting in this thread"
I was playing today at school and tried PCB Lunatic again.
A death while Lingering Cold Lunatic was exploding. EFF
A death to a laser in Table Turning. EFFFF
I thought I wasnt that bad at this game
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Scoring in UFO extra is the most obnoxious fucking thing. >:(
EDIT:
Also, I shouldn't play when I'm sick and grumpy.
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Scoring in UFO extra is the most obnoxious fucking thing. >:(
No word of a lie, Extra is really shitty to score in. The game is much better and more enjoyable to play for score than Extra is.
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Orin can go die. Especially Stage 5 midboss noncard 1.
Because of her, I've never even seen stage 6
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Am I the only one who fares relatively very well against Orin (never dying more than twice on any occasion) yet Stage 6 will always steamroll me?
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Am I the only one who fares relatively very well against Orin (never dying more than twice on any occasion) yet Stage 6 will always steamroll me?
Yes.
I can count three deaths to Orin and then a perfect Okuu fight until like her third lifebar
Speaking of
SA'S SCORING SYSTEM- WHY DOES IT SUCK
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Scoring in UFO extra is the most obnoxious fucking thing. >:(
I never expected to say this but... I agree wholeheartedly with you. :D
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Am I the only one who fares relatively very well against Orin (never dying more than twice on any occasion) yet Stage 6 will always steamroll me?
You probably just need more practice with Okuu.
Then again, it's the same boat here. Okuu burns through my resource a lot more than Orin, but that's because I practiced Stage 5 about 100 times and Stage 6 maybe 30-40 times.
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I was once able to 1cc PCB Lunatic.
Now I game over on midboss Youmu on Hard.
I suppose this is what happens when you go for over a year barely playing Touhou at all...
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Yes.
I can count three deaths to Orin and then a perfect Okuu fight until like her third lifebar
Speaking of
SA'S SCORING SYSTEM- WHY DOES IT SUCK
graze moar :V
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Man, I've really lost my touch on Utsuho. I can't even capture her first card anymore.
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I've been failing soooo hard with Mystia and Keine on Lunatic lately. It's ridiculous! I can capture their last two cards (each), but I always fail their first two ;______;
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graze moar :V
I do.
I mean, the CG resetting every time you die
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Kill me. Just kill me. Made it past Easy Orin (Stage 5!!) with MarisaA and then up through Okuu's second nonspell. Laptop auto-hibernates, and the game decides to close when it does.
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So I was fiddling around with T-98 Next, trying to make it work like a normal program. So one thing I realized I hadn't tested yet was the sound buffer. So after several trials I turned it down to 40, and suddenly the emulator ran without lag! I was so happy. I beat Mima 1DNB. I ran to see how Fraps would work, and was disappointed. Nothing but a crawl...not even Hypercam could record without lag. So I decided to test what would happen if I removed music entirely. Now this seemed to reduce lag even further, but still not enough. Sighing, I at least took comfort that I removed the lag problem. So I turned it back to 60 (the lowest I can go without getting sound glitches)...and the fucking emulator starts lagging again. No matter what I did, it was back to the lag. Now it's even worse than before.
Freaking T-98 Next. If Anex86 had savestates I would delete this stupid PoS from my hard drive.
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Koishi seems so impossible to beat at 90FPS...
UFO doesn't seem to like the vsync, so no Surprisingly 90FPS Slash for me.
I guess that leaves PCB or EoSD...
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I had 25 runs against Radiant Treasure Gun. I didn't manage to capture it once. :V Damn i suck at this. At least i managed to get about 6-7 Greatest Treasure captures though...
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So I tried setting the sound buffer in Next down to 40 as Donut said.
There's now less lag but now there's also a shitton of input lag! o/
I then tried disabling both sound control options in Next's configuration. I have to play in absolute silence but it looks like it might actually do the trick although not perfect.
However. Now my gamepad doesn't work anymore because apparently gamepad support is done in the sound configuration for God knows what reason I don't understand and using Joy2Key just makes my character focus indefinitely.
Is it so much to ask T-98 Next? (http://sae.tweek.us/static/images/emoticons/emot-fuckoff.gif)
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EoSD Extra.
90FPS.
MarisaA.
I capture Starbow Break and Catadiosomething.
But I die to Counter Clock with two bombs in stock.
Guess how far I was when I game overed to QED?
I'll never be able to repeat Starbow Break at 90FPS StB Aya speed...
Edit: Goddamn why does EoSD suffer from GET THE FUCK BACK HERE BITCH syndrome?
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FFFFFFFFFF I'd forgotten how bad I am at tHRtP.
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Just entered Yumemi with 4 lives....and lost. :qq:
I'll never 1cc this game.
EDIT: AGAIN!!!!
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So i fought against Sakuya for the first time in a very long while. She is probably the least played Stage 5 boss for me. I perfect it all the way up to Killing Doll. The rank is pretty high. I'm almost capturing it but i get hit by a knife i definitely should've been able to dodge just as the spell dies. Goodbye Perfect Sakuya :(
Well, i guess i can take her on later and get that perfect run.
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For some reason this makes three out of five EoSD game overs on Mid Sakuya :I for me
I've never seen the 6th stage...
And now I have!
Upon retrospect, I ask you
WHO THE HELL GAME OVERS LIKE THIS (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11356)
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Bluuuuuuuugh. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11357)
At least the fact that I even got to Fujiyama Volcano lets me know that I've improved, but...
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FFFFFFFFFFUUUUU!
I just game overed to Yuyuko's 2nd to last card, the kicker...I had 3 God damn Bombs!
Fuck!
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Sigh, was trying to 1cc MoF normal. I've almost had it a few times, especially just now. I had a great run going until I decided to ram into things for 2-3 deaths to aya. Sanae went amazingly smooth and I had 4 lives at the start of stage 6 (with <1 power). Stupid death to fairies at the beginning. 3 lives at kanako, fine. Stupid death to Expanded Onbashira. Second stupid death to God's Rice Porridge. I bomb my way through the rest of her cards then on Miracle of Otensui, with 3 power left, I hit a wall of bullets and press to bomb and... dead. STUPID. I *planned* that bomb seconds in advance. This leaves me with no lives and 3 power to capture a card I've never captured before and of course I die after killing half of it.
meh, I'll get around to the 1cc later.
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Dear Flandre:
Fuck You
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uOqLJH4pUQ
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I still can't beat MoF on normal.
Every fucking time, I reach Kanako's last survival card and...
"FUUUUUUCK, IT NEVER ENDS!!!!"
And the bombs do NOTHING.
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I still can't beat MoF on normal.
inb4drake (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,2368.0.html)
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inb4drake (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,2368.0.html)
A fellow unlucky guy?
Edit: Oh wait, that was a link.
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A fellow unlucky guy?
Edit: Oh wait, that was a link.
I can totally feel his pain right now.
Read it again. The replay in question is a replay showing how one can beat MoF normal without capturing anything and bomb spamming.
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Read it again. The replay in question is a replay showing how one can beat MoF normal without capturing anything and bomb spamming.
I'm already bomb-spamming a lot.
My problem is the final boss' very last spell.
Bombs are next to useless here, and I end up losing all those lives I've stocked up to there because I'm just bad at this survival spellcard.
It's a matter of me beating it, but I fail every goddamn time.
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Kanako doesn't have a survival spell...
It just takes ReimuB at least 40 seconds to clear it.
But MarisaC can do it in 33. :3
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It's more like 50-60 seconds for ReimuB, as it depends on how long you can stay under Kanako.
But yeah, the point is the "Mountain of Faith" card is not a survival. And it doesn't last forever like you mentioned - the timer is only 150 seconds. Touhou's final bosses are typically immune to bombs on their final Spellcards, so you must rely on your normal shots for these. The one and only use for bombs during these attacks is to save yourself from dying.
If I could give you a hint specific to Kanako's final, it's that each wave is what can be called a "randomly-oriented static pattern". For one set of amulets of the same color, all of the walls will be in the same spots relative to each other, so if you get out of the way of one wall, you'll know exactly where to go to dodge the rest. The trick, of course, is that they change orientations, so you must read each one for the right openings.
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Hence why I believe MarisaC is the best for
bosses the entire game, barring 33 second VoWG clears (and getting four throwers under Aya is relatively easy, too). While under a boss, you can above above ReimuB power even with only three throwers hitting, but when you move away from the boss you still have 40% of your damage output while ReimuB has... none.
Oh, and compare the amount of bullets fired during the stage here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RethO6UCHxg) with any stage 6 lunatic clear with ReimuB.
Still, the only final spellcard not invulnerable to bombs is Utsuho's last card... Even then, she gets super armor...
Edit: While you're watching that video of my second lunatic 1cc ever, watch VoWG. I'm serious. I raged so hard.
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Sometimes, I really hate my Obsessive-compulsion to perfect a boss. Sometimes, I really don't like the boss my mind targets. I REALLY hate it when that boss is EIRIN. >:(
Like, through spell practice I've figured out all the cards to the best of my ability, but it's just so stupid. Every single individual attack has a chance of going wrong, and several have their outcome based on the RNG deciding how something shoots out. Best I've managed is a ND3B, but as much as I hate to admit it, a perfect is possible...
EDIT: 2DNB. It's funny how the longer I go without screwing up, the more depressed and sarcastic I get. I actually could have done this since Apollo 13 didn't send a gank wave, but screwed up anyway.
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I think Scarlet Team would be best for trying to perfect her despite the huge hitbox.
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Not the way I'm doing it. My strategy for especially Omoikane's Brain and Apollo 13 can only be done with the border team's super-small hitbox. Heck, even with the small hitbox Apollo 13 is still a prayer dodge.
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My strategy for especially Apollo 13 can only be done with the border team's super-small hitbox.
Safespot? :V
I really suck at Apollo 13 in any case lol.
In other news, holy shit I almost made it to stage 6 in Shuusou Gyoku without dying. Died on Ehrlich's final pattern. :derp:
VIVIT absolutely murdered me though, as the rank was really motherfucking high. @_@
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Oh god no, the safespot is suicide and I have no idea how people think it's a good idea. What I do is rush to the very corner and pray I pull off the very precise movements required to dodge it.
In related news, PIECE OF SHIT FIGHT.
Oh look, I clipped the opening which is easy yet easy to screw up. BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF THE STAAAAGE.
Oh look, Eirin decided to spawn a laser on my vertical position in Geneology of the Skyborn, GANK.
Oh look, I ran into a bullet I couldn't see in Game of Rising because the card's strategy is to flood your vision with so many things that blend in you can't see it until it's too late, GANK.
Oh look, the third non-spell decided to make no easy to see openings, then spawn the next wave on top of it to make it doubly impossible to tell what is going on. GANK.
Oh look, Omoikane's Brain gave me a bad wave, and I screwed up a precision tap among a series of precision taps by holding left two frames too long. I WONDER HOW I GOT HIT?
Oh look, Apollo 13. GANK. Unless you have been doing terribly, in which case it will gladly open up for you.
Oh look, Astronomical Entombing spat a clusterfuck of bullets at point blank, giving them no time to separate. OKAY THIS ATTACK IS LEGITIMATELY DIFFICULT BUT THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT FUN.
Uuuuuuuugh. I can make a ND2B if I'm really lucky, but there's just so many variables that need to go right just to give a chance of this working. -_-
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Oh look, Omoikane's Brain gave me a bad wave,
Isn't Omoikane's Brain static or something though?
But yeah, I hate that spell too. The time points for grazing seriously make you invisible during this card, adding artificial difficultly.
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Nope, the angle at which the walls are fired is random. If they go correctly, you can take the card out with little effort by wedging into a spot where you can avoid the laser just by pressing up, but often it is not the case.
Another fact that may prove interesting: Astronomical Entombing's familiars can be predicted because they are activated when the lone bubble bullets Eirin keeps firing touches them. It's still so depressing because I've never reached AE clean before, and I have a terrible capture rate on it.
EDIT: Huh. Eirin ND1B. You'd think that'd be an improvement in morale, except that the death was on Omoikane's Brain, from one of those delicious tiny tiny imperfect movements that fuck you over. That SHOULD have been my glorious comeback after giving up in despair earlier. Why WASN'T it?
EDIT 2: Another ND1B, this time because Apollo 13 ganked me. I just don't understand what ZUN expected the player to do on this card. The only way I can see to possibly survive it involves major twitch dodging that simply cannot be done consistently.
Make that another one-mistake run on Apollo 13. I'm just not even caring anymore.
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EDIT: Huh. Eirin ND1B. You'd think that'd be an improvement in morale, except that the death was on Omoikane's Brain, from one of those delicious tiny tiny imperfect movements that fuck you over. That SHOULD have been my glorious comeback after giving up in despair earlier. Why WASN'T it?
EDIT 2: Another ND1B, this time because Apollo 13 ganked me. I just don't understand what ZUN expected the player to do on this card. The only way I can see to possibly survive it involves major twitch dodging that simply cannot be done consistently.
Make that another one-mistake run on Apollo 13. I'm just not even caring anymore.
Tough luck buddy. But don't give up. Aim for the perfect run of the target. Do your best you have ever done.
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no deaths x bombs
Hey, hey buddy.
Shut up :V
The best I pull is three/six, and this is on NORMAL.
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My second GFW Extra clear turned out 9 million points shy of my first. This game's scoring system confuses me sometimes.
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Tough luck buddy. But don't give up. Aim for the perfect run of the target. Do your best you have ever done.
I'd rather not. ;^_^ Getting the perfect on Eirin is something I simply don't have the will to do right now, considering how many elements of the fight are up to luck. ND1B is good enough for now.
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I'm playing PCB Normal, and I was doing good. Made it to Stage 4, no death on the previous stages. I lose all my lives to the Prismrivers, but I didn't have to continue yet. Needless to say, midboss Youmu succeeds where the Prismrivers failed. Here comes the RAGE.
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Cheese Youmu's opener: Like so~ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICOVn9IPU3A#t=1m20s)
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Hopefully that will put the problems with Youmu many people have to rest.
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Hopefully that will put the problems with Youmu many people have to rest.
It's a pretty well-known loophole. :derp: Still, more people should know about it. Besides, it's more fun to dodge it for real
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Hopefully that will put the problems with Youmu many people have to rest.
Not entirely. As seen here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5lswOfY4z8), I completely forgot I can't do that trick on Stage 6. (how I don't know :V) Let this be a warning for all of you who don't know.
Edit: Also, Donut, did you know I have a Configuring and Running PC-98 Emulators for Touhou (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6549.0) thread? Because the sound buffer was already included in it.
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I remember hearing something about the left-right misdirection being more dangerous to execute on lower difficulties due to the spawning speed, or something like that. :/ I always just did the standard "misdirect 1st wave up, dodge second" method. I'll try L-R in the morning.
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It didn't start out as a failure actually - I beat SA Extra Stage for the first time, after Subterranean Rose even with a life left. Was really happy and everything until I looked at my player data , which said I cleared Extra - with a dropped framerate by around 10%.
Even though I beat it, I didn't realize I was technically cheating since the game ran on around 56 fps instead of your standard 60 fps :ohdear:
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Not entirely. As seen here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5lswOfY4z8), I completely forgot I can't do that trick on Stage 6. (how I don't know :V) Let this be a warning for all of you who don't know.
Edit: Also, Donut, did you know I have a Configuring and Running PC-98 Emulators for Touhou (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6549.0) thread? Because the sound buffer was already included in it.
That's what gave me the idea. I had tried pretty much everything else that could possibly improve the framerate, so I just thought "eh, what the heck." Of course, now I realize my biggest problem is that I was testing these improvements on Mima of all people. X( Still, the fact that I have twice been able to fight her with absolutely no lag tells me that there is something going on. In the end though it doesn't really matter, since recording is impossible due to even Hypercam lagging it to hell.
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That's what gave me the idea. I had tried pretty much everything else that could possibly improve the framerate, so I just thought "eh, what the heck." Of course, now I realize my biggest problem is that I was testing these improvements on Mima of all people. X( Still, the fact that I have twice been able to fight her with absolutely no lag tells me that there is something going on. In the end though it doesn't really matter, since recording is impossible due to even Hypercam lagging it to hell.
Ah, ok. Yeah, hypercam does tend to lag it a bit for me, sometimes. (fraps is pathetic, oddly enough) At least YOU can hear the game while recording it with hypercam. I can't. I have to unplug my speakers entirely, and move the cable to the mic jack, so it can record sound.
I've tried to get this to not happen, but that's impossible, mainly because Stereo Mix isn't on my computer, and installing the drivers doesn't do a thing. Be happy donut! :V
Now, if only I was recording when I did this. It's very possible to fight Elis while she has no life (might be possible for other bosses but hasn't happened to me yet). This doesn't mean she just finishes her attack and then dies, SHE KEEPS GOING! I have a recording of it kinda, but it's only a split second of footage since I died and Next being stupid. So it doesn't really show anything.
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Dammit Ran, I have the best run in your stage for ages and then you BS me in the last three seconds of Kokkuri-San's Contract. What the hell.
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Not a failure, per se
>OH MY GOD BEST RUN EVER
Girlfriend>You really aren't dying.
>200 MILLION POINTS, 5 LIVES, 3 BOMBS, FULL POWER, 480 ITEMS...
Girlfriend>That's a good thing?
*Captures Fox-Tanuki Youkai Laser*
>EFF YES THAT MAKES FOUR CARDS CAPTURED
>NOTHING CAN GO WRONG
*5th period bell rings*
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Not a failure, per se
>OH MY GOD BEST RUN EVER
Girlfriend>You really aren't dying.
>200 MILLION POINTS, 5 LIVES, 3 BOMBS, FULL POWER, 480 ITEMS...
Girlfriend>That's a good thing?
*Captures Fox-Tanuki Youkai Laser*
>EFF YES THAT MAKES FOUR CARDS CAPTURED
>NOTHING CAN GO WRONG
*5th period bell rings*
:fail:
I can't count how many times this has happened to me too.
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:fail:
I can't count how many times this has happened to me too.
Today (MoF Extra)
>FUCK YEAH ORGASM
>FIVE LIVES?
>130 MILLION POINTS?
>5.00 POWER?
>400,000 FAITH?
>THIRD CARD CAPTURED?
>THIS MUST BE MY LUCKY DAY
*first period bell rings*
Girlfriend> Hey, um, the bell
>I AM IN DENIAL
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You could try, like, checking the time before you start playing
orrr just don't play video games in school
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Or how about not playing Extra since that's apparently too long. Try practice instead. You might get somewhere and actually finish!
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You could try, like, checking the time before you start playing
orrr just don't play video games in school
We have an "optional flex period" in school
0th: 7:15-08:25
My bus: ~08:15
"ofp": 08:30-09:05
1st: 09:10-10:05
It's a glorified way to say "free time; do things" at school.
I spend it in the library Touhou-ing.
Or how about not playing Extra since that's apparently too long. Try practice instead. You might get somewhere and actually finish!
Having beaten the stages before defeats the purpose. I'm playing Extra stages to beat them.
Alternatively, the main games of SA and UFO, because in a view encompassing the latter half of the series they are the metaphorical difficulty spike and continuously bitchslap me in the face.
Speaking of, Shou.
D:<
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Having beaten the stages before defeats the purpose. I'm playing Extra stages to beat them.
Alternatively, the main games of SA and UFO, because in a view encompassing the latter half of the series they are the metaphorical difficulty spike and continuously bitchslap me in the face.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you practice the stages that bitchslap you in the face, you get better at them, right? Also, are you sure you don't want to improve from your first run and get better scores, skills, difficulty play, etc.?
You probably will get to doing whatever you want if you just practice the shorter stages from the main game and them apply them when you get home or something. So when you get home or whatever you'll have the time to use great starting resources.
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Is MarisaB in UFO as bad as I think it is or have I just been TERRIBLE at it lately?
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Protip: The only time to use MarisaB is when you first start playing UFO.
Then, after barely scraping a 1cc or whatever, you can switch to a vastly superior shot type and win on your first try!
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How the hell can Star Sapphire be harder when you face her first in the C routes than when you face her later for the others? This is fucking stupid.
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I'm confused how I managed to reach max lives by Murasa so easily in my first lunatic 1cc. In all my attempts tonight, I couldn't reach her with more than four. Tsk. It'd also help if Shou was less terrible to me in the runs that reach her. Best I managed was reaching stage 6, where I proceded to die on the opening fairies. :B
Funny, because the reason I'm angry isn't because I fail to 1cc - I've already done that four times, and two of them were decent clears - it's because I want to see the credits sequence, which isn't anywhere on Youtube or Nicovideo.
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Also, are you sure you don't want to improve from your first run and get better scores, skills, difficulty play, etc.?
I did that to the PCB Exxxxtra today.
High score: 468 million
This run: ACTUALLY HAS LEFTOVER RESOURCES 386 million
I think I like the cherry point system less now
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I think I like the cherry point system less now
The thing that gets me about the cherry point system is that there's 3 totally different things going on at the same time (Cherry, CherryMax, and Cherry+) and just reading about it makes my head spin. But I play for survival anyways so it doesn't matter.
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http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11450
WHAT A GREAT WAY TO GO
Plays like this depress me
THA HELL
I got to Resurrection Butterfly 80% on a 5CC and died
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I did that to the PCB Exxxxtra today.
High score: 468 million
This run: ACTUALLY HAS LEFTOVER RESOURCES 386 million
I think I like the cherry point system less now
Go play Sakuya. That'll solve your problem since her bombing penalty is low.
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Go play Sakuya. That'll solve your problem since her bombing penalty is low.
*tries to play SakuyA twenty three times
The only thing I can bring to mind is
GFD IT SAKUYA YOUR DEATHBOMB TIMER IS LIKE NEGATIVE
so that's out the window
Marisa is just totally out of the equation.
There is no way.
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SakuyA
That's your problem.
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SakuyaB
Fix'd
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What the hell is this? I'm trying to record my perfect PCB extra and first Phantasm clear, and the game keeps randomly glitching on me. I finally decide to record them, and something else gets in the way...
*tries to play SakuyA twenty three times
The only thing I can bring to mind is
GFD IT SAKUYA YOUR DEATHBOMB TIMER IS LIKE NEGATIVE
so that's out the window
Marisa is just totally out of the equation.
There is no way.
Use SakuyaB, not A.
You probably shouldn't pick a character just because of the deathbomb timer. Because you don't "plan" to deathbomb, in a sense. You recognize when the attack is too tough for you to handle, then bomb normally.
And Marisa is good in PCB, whaddayatalk? :V
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I hate SB's shot :V
I try to save my bombs for when I'm hit.
Sakuya having 4 is a good start.
Marisa...
Marisa moves fast.
She gets two bombs.
Those bombs subtract an ASSLOAD of cherries
when she dies it subtracts an ASSLOAD of cherries
Illusion Laser is nearly useless in 80% of situations
Magic Missile.............. s'aight.
I will have to go through and 1CC it with Sakuya B though :I
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You're supposed to use bombs normally so you don't have to worry about getting hit in the first place. Trust me, you'll survive a lot longer if you approach your runs like this.
I suppose Marisa's speed might throw you off if you're not used to her. But if you look on the bright side, it's not nearly as bad as it could be (read: EoSD Marisa). Also, Marisa has a pretty high Cherry gain overall, netting you a lot of Supernatural Borders. When used strategically, this makes up for the fewer actual bombs per life.
Score by itself doesn't do anything, so if you're looking for a clear don't get to wrapped up in it. Collect Point items for lives, of course, but don't continuously put yourself at risk just to increase the score. Like I mentioned in the accomplishments thread, you'll have plenty of time to scorerun after you've 1cc'd the thing.
MarisaB's shot is almost as powerful as MarisaA's, and both are among the strongest shots in the entire game. MarisaB's bombs are also the strongest in the game bar none. I'd say she can be useful.
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It's been some 300+ MoF stage 6 lunatic runs and I still can't even capture Kanako's 1st non-card. I guess something's wrong with me?
(while doing that, just trying to pull off a no bomb no death VoWG timeout...like that'll ever happen...)
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It's been some 300+ MoF stage 6 lunatic runs and I still can't even capture Kanako's 1st non-card. I guess something's wrong with me?
(while doing that, just trying to pull off a no bomb no death VoWG timeout...like that'll ever happen...)
Use Marisa C. Get 4 frostthrowers on her. Concentrate HARD to dodge the stuff.
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MarisaB's shot is almost as powerful as MarisaA's, and both are among the strongest shots in the entire game.
I know this for a fact, but personally, I feel that MarisaB's shot type is the worst in PCB. She was the one character that took me FOREVER to clear Extra with. Everyone else were a piece of cake (mostly). I really don't ever intend to play as that one ever again, unless I want to have fun bombing everything for the heck of it, because her bombs are pretty cool.
Also, SakuyaA is easily the easiest character to play as. But it comes with drawbacks. The cherry points drop far more than SakuyaB, if I recall, when you bomb. The shot is a little weaker than SakuyaB's also, but is aimed, so it's very useful in certain situations. (like the safespots in Ran and Yukari's last spells (excluding Danmaku Bounded Field) especially when the safespot is not directly under them) Also, Sakuya's focused speed is the fastest in the game, but it's actually not that hard to control. After a few plays with her, you got it.
I would recommend SakuyaA for a while. It will be the easiest with her. Either that, or possibly ReimuB. Whatever floats your boat.
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I hate SB's shot :V
Having an absurdly huge range and being decently powerful is a bad thing now?
I try to save my bombs for when I'm hit.
That's what you're doing wrong. You don't /try/ to deathbomb, you bomb in advance; 90% of deathbombs are you bombing in advance and happening to bomb at the last possible second (the other 10% is MoF scorebombing :V). You do not and will not have the reaction time to realize you've been hit and bomb fast enough.
Marisa...
Marisa moves fast.
She gets two bombs.
Those bombs subtract an ASSLOAD of cherries
when she dies it subtracts an ASSLOAD of cherries
Marisa's speed takes a few tries to get used to, then she's no more difficult to control than any other character.
You shouldn't be wrapped up in score anyway, if you're just going for a clear. And if you /are/ so concerned with score, SakuyaB happens to be the best in the game for that by far! :V
Also, SakuyaA is easily the easiest character to play as. But it comes with drawbacks. The cherry points drop far more than SakuyaB, if I recall, when you bomb. The shot is a little weaker than SakuyaB's also, but is aimed, so it's very useful in certain situations. (like the safespots in Ran and Yukari's last spells (excluding Danmaku Bounded Field) especially when the safespot is not directly under them) Also, Sakuya's focused speed is the fastest in the game, but it's actually not that hard to control. After a few plays with her, you got it.
I would recommend SakuyaA for a while. It will be the easiest with her. Either that, or possibly ReimuB. Whatever floats your boat.
SakuyaA has a hideous Cherry gain and is the weakest shot in the game. If you really need a shottype to get used to the dodging aspect of the series, use ReimuA; her homing doesn't require you to focus, she's stronger than SakuyaA (and when homing Reimu is stronger than you, something is seriously wrong), and she has a much slower focused speed.
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SakuyaA has a hideous Cherry gain and is the weakest shot in the game. If you really need a shottype to get used to the dodging aspect of the series, use ReimuA; her homing doesn't require you to focus, she's stronger than SakuyaA (and when homing Reimu is stronger than you, something is seriously wrong), and she has a much slower focused speed.
Wrong. Just looked this up.
Ordered by Power (not Close)
0:07/0:11/0:14 MarisaA F
0:08/0:11/0:12 MarisaB F
0:08/0:11/0:14 SakuyaB F
0:08/0:11/0:15 MarisaA UF
n:nn/0:13/0:19 ReimuB F Far
0:10/0:15/0:18 SakuyaB UF Far
0:10/0:14/0:20 SakuyaA F
0:12/0:19/0:22 ReimuB UF Far
0:14/0:18/0:20 ReimuA UF Far
0:14/0:19/0:20 MarisaB UF Far
n:nn/0:23/0:24 ReimuA F Far
0:42/0:55/0:39 SakuyaA UF Far (*1)
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SakuyaA has a hideous Cherry gain and is the weakest shot in the game. If you really need a shottype to get used to the dodging aspect of the series, use ReimuA; her homing doesn't require you to focus, she's stronger than SakuyaA (and when homing Reimu is stronger than you, something is seriously wrong), and she has a much slower focused speed.
Use ReimuB or MarisaA instead. They deal much greater damage plus you'll get much better at the game if you actively target the enemies instead of just relying on homing.
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WHY When I am perfecting PCB extra must I get hit bit a little butterfly on CHEN ? CHEN !!
...*rage*
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WHY When I am perfecting PCB extra must I get hit bit a little butterfly on CHEN ? CHEN !!
...*rage*
chen ruined my runs so many times as well. fffff
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chen ruined my runs so many times as well. fffff
Not the midboss, Ran's card :V
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Tried practicing SanaeB wallfairy tactics. still can't do it right.
Tried messing around with other tactics and found one that's completely useless for the sake of runs because I've only ever gotten it to work at 1.xx. 2.xx, 3.xx, and 4.xx doesn't seem to work because the fairies involved still get to shoot for some reason on those powers.
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Not the midboss, Ran's card :V
I was wondering why you said butterfly.
SA Extra stage part is ungodly annoying. Maybe one in ten runs I can make it to Sanae with no lives lost, just so bumper crops can utterly rape me.
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SA Extra stage part is ungodly annoying. Maybe one in ten runs I can make it to Sanae with no lives lost, just so bumper crops can utterly rape me.
Wait until you play UFO Extra :V
If you aren't doing already, try Reimu A
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Wait until you play UFO Extra :V
If you aren't doing already, try Reimu A
Played UFO Extra too. I'm putting that off until I beat two games in Lunatic.
Also yeah, I'm using ReimuA. Homing sucks in SA. ReimuC seems like it might be useful, if I can actually control it properly (which I can't).
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Surprisingly, ReimuC's bomb is still relatively good for Extra (probably tied with ReimuA and maybe better than MarisaC) because you can fly like a madman and still clear 90% of the bullets. Better than MarisaC's bomb (I guess) because of the length to let you pass the survival cards.
But the shot isn't terribly good, but you can manipulate it during Genetics for some extra damage.
But I still recommend MarisaC or ReimuA, the former for her surprisingly handy bomb (border system and a full screen clear) and not shit damage and Needles for Yukari (because every time Yukari is Reimu's partner Reimu apparently becomes the best shot)
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Gurgh...
I give up. I have studied Apollo 13 off and on for years. I have worked at it from every angle, tried every strategy, tried to break the attack down in several ways, but nothing works. My grand conclusion for my spell card analysis is...it's trash. It's trash that a beginner Danmakufu designer would spit out in ten minutes. There is no way to make it easier. All you can do is make the unreasonable dodges where bullets overlap with your hitbox and everything is completely random. If someone can prove me wrong, I implore them to.
And no, obviously I haven't perfected Eirin yet. :V
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Gurgh...
I give up. I have studied Apollo 13 off and on for years. I have worked at it from every angle, tried every strategy, tried to break the attack down in several ways, but nothing works. My grand conclusion for my spell card analysis is...it's trash. It's trash that a beginner Danmakufu designer would spit out in ten minutes. There is no way to make it easier. All you can do is make the unreasonable dodges where bullets overlap with your hitbox and everything is completely random. If someone can prove me wrong, I implore them to.
And no, obviously I haven't perfected Eirin yet. :V
You can always do the cheater method of peeking under Eirin's skirt! That's what I did to get it, though it takes patience and fine movements. (though that's kinda the same thing for capping it the real way anyways)
Just good luck doing that in a perfect run.
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I've had countless runs that were perfect up until Apollo 13, and at least two that were perfect aside from it. Also that "safespot" is just as dangerous as doing it normally on lunatic, if not more so. :[ Trust me, if I believed I could do it consistently I would. Eirin does not deserve any quarter.
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I think Apollo 13 has 2 rings (red and blue) of randomly rotated static patterns.
If the rings are rotated the wrong amount, it will probably wall you.
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I'm so tired of trying to do StB stage 7, why the fk does sakuya's knives have such HUGE hitboxes. Apollo 13 isn't that hard but the problem is you have to get past the bullet walls several times, the worst final stage card is still byakuren's curvy laser card, followed by yuyuko (PCB is the hardest game for me). Also, yuugi's too manly to be a stage 3 boss, and i lose more lives on her than satori...
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lol SA lunatic
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lol SA lunatic
Dodge the easy stuff, bomb the rest: 1cc get.
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easy stuff
SA lunatic
(http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/3559/phoenixhandsondeskb.gif)
There's clearly a contradiction in the witness's statement, your honor!
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Failed two almost identical SA Extra runs on Rose. Well, "run" isn`t quite the right word...I used safespot on Rice Shower as always, bombed the hell out of Id and all non-spells, not even bothered with dodging on Super-Ego and abused the living hell of pause button on everything from Rorschach onwards sans Embers of Love. I`m fucking sick of Sanae, Koishi and that goddamn stage. The worst thing is, if ZUN could just bring Spell Practice back, I`m sure I would actually dodge them after a few hours of practice. Also, is it easier to timeout Rose or to finish it?
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Subterranean Rose has no timeout phase, so if you have the dexterity to dodge the first phase for four minutes, go for it.
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Rediscovered my hatred for IaMP after having Youmu smash my face in for 3 minutes with Double Pain.
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(http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/3559/phoenixhandsondeskb.gif)
There's clearly a contradiction in the witness's statement, your honor!
The easy stuff:
Everything stage 1-3.
Stage 4: Everything that isn't the post-midboss streaming phase and Satori's DBDB and FIN cards.
Stage 5: Half of Orin's stuff.
Stage 6: Utsuho after Peta Flare.
There is plenty of easy stuff in SA. Sure there's some tough stuff but its nothing on most stuff from UFO and also a lot of stuff from EoSD.
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The easy stuff:
[blah blah blah]
Relatively easy compared to some of the other stuff in SA, sure, but it's still not that easy unless you've practiced it a bunch of times.
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Relatively easy compared to some of the other stuff in SA, sure, but it's still not that easy unless you've practiced it a bunch of times.
Then practice it. I practiced this for some time. Then proceeded to do the first 1cc. Same as every shmup.
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(http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/9441/thehell.th.png) (http://img809.imageshack.us/i/thehell.png/)
the hell...?
We both blew up! :V
Oh and I didn't win, despite it blatantly telling me I won. >:|
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*sighs* returning to EoSD after 2 months and this is what happens...
EoSD Normal Mode fail (http://www.mediafire.com/?ar399z8pmlb8110)
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Then practice it. I practiced this for some time. Then proceeded to do the first 1cc. Same as every shmup.
Well look how that's turning out for you and UFO :V
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If I had more than 256M ram, I'd record in fraps or equivalent and crop for your viewing ridicule.
EoSD. Extra. Since you're posting in this thread, you probably realize you aren't the bees' knees at this touhou thing, but nevertheless you can make a solid run at Flandre. And twice in as many hours. But each time you're faced with the same problem: you have too many lives. You have no other choice but to...
...make an inexcusable death!
Then, to compensate for your grotesque error, you unfocus and RUN DIRECTLY INTO THE NEAREST BULLET.
Finally, to avenge past mistakes and finally win the game, you, while finding a lone wave of bullets approaching, stand completely still and let the closest bullet SLAM INTO YOU.
That was not an exaggeration. That happened. Twice. In EXACTLY the same manner.
I can upload this bullshit if you want, but it's quite seriously as horrid as it sounds (and uninteresting, up until atwtbn, at which point it's loltastic). If I hadn't beaten Flandre (FINALLY), the next day, I... well... I would be even more bitter, if that's even imaginable.
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bombed the hell out of Id and all non-spells, not even bothered with dodging on Super-Ego and abused the living hell of pause button on everything from Rorschach onwards sans Embers of Love. I`m fucking sick of Sanae, Koishi and that goddamn stage.
Aren't the non-spells (save for the 4th one) supposed to be cake? Which ones are you having trouble with anyways?
Id is not that bad once you "get" it. Same with Super Ego. You basically weave the waves by moving left right alternately.
Once you can tackle those cards, it gets easier.
Bomb Roscharch when you think you are close to walled (like pink over green waves).
There is a movement pattern for Embers of Love, which would allow you to capture it without too much difficulty.
Also, is it easier to timeout Rose or to finish it?
You kind of get dizzy and fall asleep when you are timing it out (190 seconds! of the exact same thing)
OTOH, the final phase is annoying if you are actually beating it, so better go in with a few extra lives for your first clear.
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Well look how that's turning out for you and UFO :V
Yep. I have spent half the amount of time practicing SA that i have practicing UFO. SA is now easy while UFO is still difficult. My conclusion is that UFO is difficult and SA is easy.
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PoFV story mode, lunatic, final stage.
WHYYYYY ? WHYYYYYYY ? WHYYYYYY ? WHY WON'T YOU DIE ALREADY ?
NOOOOO TT__TT
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PoFV story mode, lunatic, final stage.
WHYYYYY ? WHYYYYYYY ? WHYYYYYY ? WHY WON'T YOU DIE ALREADY ?
NOOOOO TT__TT
This is exactly why I can't stand PoFV....THEY NEVER DIE!
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It seems I've reached -that- phase in perfecting an annoying boss. I'm up to the point where my ND2B runs have me bomb on the first bullet of Eirin's first spell card and when the enemy icon is flashing red on Astronomical Entombing (granted, I wasn't trying hard because I really didn't want something like the first mistake to be the only thing holding this run back).
Tsk. I'm committed, for better or for worse. Mostly worse.
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guize wtf m i doin rong??? (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11512)
If I don't get this soon I am seriously going to bite some heads off.
Also: Lag issues
Lyrica in general
Merlin in general
Yuyuko's third non
They all cut my game down to 29 FPS
I would like to know if this happens to anyone else
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They all cut my game down to 29 FPS
I would like to know if this happens to anyone else
Do you have the game set to force 60 fps? You can check by opening custom.exe in the touhou folder. Though this one remains untranslated for whatever reason, what you want to have checked in the upper area is the bottom right checkbox.
Here (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=s1s4iuxss8rs3gh&thumb=4) is a helpful pic of what it should all look like.
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Realize I haven't played VoWG in over a month or 2. Load up MoF Stage 6.
Realize I still somehow suck at the card despite having done a timeout. I can still read it fine at least, so I guess it's not that bad cause my mistakes were all in dodging which was the usual. Nice to see my consistency at reading it is still there, and it's not like I was ever all that great at dodging it most of the time.
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I don't want to hear anybody else say they suck at shmups.
In the last 20+ minutes, I've had 2 PCB extra runs make it to Chen without a death.
2
Let's not even talk about all the bombing.
:fail:
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This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xl8xLLD9EI) is weird. It's Reimu's Fantasy Heaven on 12.3.
Apparently Fantasy Heaven can win and fail at the same time. After that happened, it made me RAGE!!! RAGE so hard that I was totally not focusing on the rest of the match but rather what came out of my mouth.
Hope this never happens to you guys.
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I'm wondering why I could easily get past Aya before dying in MoF Hard until just a couple of months ago, but now I can't even no-death Minoriko consistently, and when I do, I randomly hit something on Stage 2 around 99% of the times. EVEN IN PRACTICE MODE. EVEN WHEN I'M BOMBSPAMMING THE HELL OUT OF THE STAGE.
*rage*
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Grudge Bow can go DIE. IN. A. FIRE. Seriously.
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Mmph, so I don't have the MAN to play PCB Extra at 90 FPS
90 FPS: Fox Tanuki Youkai Laser (Facepalm)
75 FPS: Shikigami Chen (She kicked me >:( )
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1D1B normal Kanako. I didn't mind the bomb, because it was on Misayama, and I've given up on capturing that thing. The death, on the other hand ....
.... was as Miracle of Otensui was clearing. :colonveeplusalpha:
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You all want to hear something hilarious?
I can consistently 1cc EoSD normal with default live, without using the hitbox patch or anything.
I can not 1cc PCB with max starting lives and bomb spamming the game. Youmu and Yuyuko kick my ass no matter how many times I practice them, then if I get it and try to apply it to the real run...
Really, what is wrong with me?
edit: This just in watch a completely blown Kanako fight with ridiculous resources! (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11550)
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I failed Hourai Elixir about 50 times before giving up :(
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I failed Hourai Elixir about 50 times before giving up :(
What part of it troubles you the most?
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I failed Hourai Elixir about 50 times before giving up :(
I failed Fujiyama Volcano 153 times before capping it; an extra 80 before doing it again.
Touhou is on the whole about patience.
That being said, I've never seen Hourai Elixir :ohdear:
I'm stuck on Possessed by Phoenix.
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What part of it troubles you the most?
The crossing green bullets. I never got past the fifth wave x_x
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The crossing green bullets. I never got past the fifth wave x_x
Corner, it will save your life.
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The crossing green bullets. I never got past the fifth wave x_x
and if you are bad at corner dodging, even moving a bit to left or right helps tremendously,
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and if you are bad at corner dodging
In what exactly does "corner dodging" differs from "normal dodging"? You just go somewhere else where you get half the bullets coming straight down (so you can read it well in advance of the other half) instead of having both sets come at you at weird angles. Most evident in one of those Kaguya last spells whose names nobody actually remembers.
Unless people are actually hugging the corner, which is a good recipe for DEATH
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You just go somewhere else where you get half the bullets coming straight down (so you can read it well in advance of the other half) instead of having both sets come at you at weird angles.
I suck at dodging more-horizontal bullets by moving horizontally.
I can't move diagonally with my keyboard.
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In what exactly does "corner dodging" differs from "normal dodging"? You just go somewhere else where you get half the bullets coming straight down (so you can read it well in advance of the other half) instead of having both sets come at you at weird angles. Most evident in one of those Kaguya last spells whose names nobody actually remembers.
I think you answered your own question. That is the difference really, the angles of the bullets make the criss-crossing look less awkward near the corners.
If your talking about Kaguya's "End of Imperishable Night -Half Past 2-" (third Last Spell), I don't know if that's a good analogy, as you're supposed to go through it's blue and red curves one at a time. A better comparison would probably be Suwako's last card, Scourge Sign "Mishaguji-sama", which is just a rehash of the green wave of "Hourai Elixir".
I actually have a tip for "Hourai Elixir's" green wave that doesn't involve using the corner. Starting from the bottom, move up slightly and do purely horizontal dodging - you'll find that the green bullets will cross and open back up right above you. I apologize, I don't remember the exact distance this is supposed to be, so for now I recommend just eyeballing it. The whole premise of this strategy hinges on your ability to read where the bullets cross at a certain distance above you (they actually always cross at the same vertical distances), then placing yourself right under those spots to let the bullets slide around you.
Hopefully I described that well enough. If not, I'll see if I can make a demonstration at some point.
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If your talking about Kaguya's "End of Imperishable Night -Half Past 2-" (third Last Spell), I don't know if that's a good analogy, as you're supposed to go through it's blue and red curves one at a time.
No, I meant the second one with the crisscrossing grid and the aimed bubbles.
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Yeah cornering helped a lot with Hourai Elixir, now it's the last few seconds that always kill me..
140 tries so far :P
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I haven't even bothered to count how many times I've continued Satori's stage. I just know that I'm getting dizzy and tired out from all the amulets. Can't be arsed to call it quits and start over tomorrow, since I've gotten as far as straw doll kamikaze. I just cleared stage 3 for the first time, too...
My main frustration, however, is how long it takes just to get an extra life. Uuurgh, from what I remember, UFO was so much more generous with items ;~;
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UFO is definitely not more generous with items. The amount of bombs available in SA pretty much break the difficulty quite a bit. But then I guess the bombs were meant more for scoring like in MoF, well at least for the most used shottype.
I'd say UFO was more generous with items if it weren't for having to take insane risks to get some of the UFOs or if you could always safely get them. But as is, there's way too much potential for my path to them to get blocked on some stages.
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The amount of bombs available in SA pretty much break the difficulty quite a bit.
Really? Maybe I'm just mistaken, but the SA bombs do so much less damage that you can't simply bomb through cards like before.
My main frustration, however, is how long it takes just to get an extra life.
Actually, you do get a fair bit of extra lives like 7 or 8 of them, if you don't game over too soon.
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I'm sorry, I'm not good at this so everything seems off OTL
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Got to Yuyuko on Hard, died with 2 bombs in stock, died shortly after with 3 bombs in stock. I have a feeling I could have cleared it if I'd have bombed =/.
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I got to Shou on hard.
I was raped =(
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*sigh* (http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/8857/th036.png)
THE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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Really? Maybe I'm just mistaken, but the SA bombs do so much less damage that you can't simply bomb through cards like before.
ReimuC's bomb is the only one that does respectable and reliable damage by itself, but in a sense anyone can "bypass" a card by using a bomb at the right time. ReimuA is one example: she can bypass DBDB by bombing anytime between the 3rd and 4th waves, or the Catwalk by bombing just before the first set of rings reaches her. This comparison is kind of a stretch, and in general bombs cannot bypass cards in the same "fashion" as in other games.
Also a statistic to back up Enigma's statement, assuming you collect a majority of the Power items in the game, there's enough Power to supply you with over 40 bombs.
Actually, you do get a fair bit of extra lives like 7 or 8 of them, if you don't game over too soon.
10 extra lives, actually (50 life-pieces total). The catch is you have to not die or run out of time on any attacks that supply them.
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This. Is. It. Seriously. Fuck this shit. 5th run killed by Subterranean Rose. Seriously, this stage is too much for me. Not only I didn`t make an error all the way to it this time (I mean NO deaths with bombs till Rose), which is insanely rare by itself, but I STILL had only 1/1 when I started Philosophy, which needs 2 bombs at the very least (3 are optimal), so I HAVE to start Rose with no spare lives no matter what. Then I died on 2nd phase because the game refused to accept a bomb which I activated the exact splitsecond I got hit, while I decided to bomb before I got hit. Blaaahgrfgdg. Hell, I stopped abusing pause button on Genetics, bur now I`m tempted to do so again to actually clear that damn stage. Not only that crap of a game has the most panic-inducing system ever, where a single slight mistake can kill the run, but it`s also extremely stingy with extends compared to other installments, with no point extends AT ALL and no UFOs to make up for it as well as punishing you FURTHER for said mistake by denying you a life piece. Playing this well would leave me with 2 spare lives on Yukari, Mokou or fuck, Flandre. I put WAY more effort into this particular stage and it`s still not enough... Is that some kind of punishment for not being able to dodge Super-Ego well and shotgunning it instead? (And why the hell I get 2 bombs after I die on it, instead of usual 3?) Would it kill you to give one more extend or make deathbombing actually possible (I don`t mean IN, I mean PCB Reimu deathbomb, which was perfect), you fucking bastard!
/end rant
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No timeout phase + easy first phase = boring but simple win.
I also don't like Koishi, and it's 1 of the 2 things I don't like about the game. The other being Yamame's opener on Lunatic.
Amount of bombs after dying is based on lives left. I think if you're at 3 spare lives or less when the death happens, you get 3(or full for last life). It's more important to keep that in mind in the case of scoring where you want to time suicides for power, but I'm not sure if that's profitable in Extra like it is on Lunatic..
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Critz, don't give up yet! Be thankful you can get to "Subterranean Rose" in the first place. Just keep playing and you'll begin to understand how each attack works. If you can't figure something out, find a replay or Youtube video of an SA Extra no-death/perfect run and study the hell out of it.
Then I died on 2nd phase because the game refused to accept a bomb which I activated the exact splitsecond I got hit, while I decided to bomb before I got hit. Blaaahgrfgdg.
But the second phase is the easiest. :ohdear:
Just out of curiosity, are you experiencing any input lag as you move around and such? Maybe that could affect how you play. If not, then you in fact did not press the bomb button in time. I've been mentioning this in a few places already, but don't completely rely on deathbombs to save you - if something looks too hairy, then bomb before it gets to you. That way you don't have to risk getting hit and not releasing a bomb in time.
Is that some kind of punishment for not being able to dodge Super-Ego well and shotgunning it instead?
You got this backwards. You stay near Koishi for "Release of the Id", but "Super-Ego" is best handled close to the bottom of the screen.
I might as well stay on-topic here. You know when you get a shit-ton of good accomplishments in Touhou, but then feel completely burnt out afterward and can't continue with anything else? That's me in a nutshell right now.
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This. Is. It. Seriously. Fuck this shit. 5th run killed by Subterranean Rose.
That was my main frustration. Eventually I got to Rose with more than 1 life and so I cleared 0/0
Seriously, this stage is too much for me. Not only I didn`t make an error all the way to it this time (I mean NO deaths with bombs till Rose), which is insanely rare by itself, but I STILL had only 1/1 when I started Philosophy, which needs 2 bombs at the very least (3 are optimal), so I HAVE to start Rose with no spare lives no matter what.
Learn to capture: Ancestors (easy), Paranoia (even easier), Id (you will get it at some point), Polygraph (pseudo-static)
Learn to survive (i.e. able to clear with 1-2 bombs):
Super Ego: this shouldn't be much harder than Id... after you "get it"
Embers: stay under Koishi for aimed wave, move up to shot gun for the non-aimed wave, you can move Koishi
Roscharch: bomb! in the right time, don't risk clipdeath (killed me countless times)
Genetics: have a route planned out and don't try to dodge 2 or 3 waves at the same time, or it's recipe for death
Philosophy: survive first phase, strategic bomb the rest (you need 3 bombs)
Then I died on 2nd phase because the game refused to accept a bomb which I activated the exact splitsecond I got hit, while I decided to bomb before I got hit. Blaaahgrfgdg.
2nd phase should be the easiest. You don't even need to move vertical (like in 1st/3rd wave) to slip through.
Simply sit in the middle and move horizontally to dodge each wave. You will have to slowly back off, but that's easy.
but it`s also extremely stingy with extends compared to other installments, with no point extends AT ALL and no UFOs to make up for it as well as punishing you FURTHER for said mistake by denying you a life piece. Playing this well would leave me with 2 spare lives on Yukari, Mokou or fuck, Flandre.
Flandre's stage has the fewest lives (4), but compensated by easy non-spells (and certain spells).
If you perfect the stage, you end with 6 extra lives, otherwise you end with 5 (it's impossible to get 4 b/c you would game over)
Don't give up! You reached Rose! I didn't achieve that until I had over 150 attempts.
The satisfaction of clearing Koishi is worth it.
What's better, is that she becomes a lot easier after you clear her.
EDIT: oh, and follow Yoslime's advice, they helped me quite a bit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvzZvFLvMgU
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Blah. Had about 10 more attempts today and finally got to last phase of Rose once. I need a break or I get pissed and keep on losing. Last run was near-perfect and I was one life piece away from having a spare life on it :d.
But the second phase is the easiest.
I still need a bomb to get to the middle. For some reason I`m always stuck on the bottom or die when slipping through without it.
Just out of curiosity, are you experiencing any input lag as you move around and such? Maybe that could affect how you play. If not, then you in fact did not press the bomb button in time. I've been mentioning this in a few places already, but don't completely rely on deathbombs to save you - if something looks too hairy, then bomb before it gets to you. That way you don't have to risk getting hit and not releasing a bomb in time.
As I said, I did decide to use a bomb just before hit and pressed the button the exact moment I heard death sound. I propably missed it by a damn frame. And since you mentioned it, I`m playing with a 1/2 frameskip since my video card is shitty (getting new one soon, can`t even play SWR now), and once in a while I get a very little lag, maybe one or two frames when my HDD is working. It screwed me on Koishi`s hellish reflex-based nonspells once or twice, so I bomb all of them now. Reading-based ones are cake though, maybe except fourth one. The input lag isn`t as bad as in EoSD/PCB without vsync patch anyway, if there is any at all.
You got this backwards. You stay near Koishi for "Release of the Id", but "Super-Ego" is best handled close to the bottom of the screen.
I`m quite good with Id now :3. On Super-Ego, if I have bombs in stock, I get as close to Koishi as possible and bomb at last second. About 7 seconds of free damage. I dodge when I have no bombs (near the bottom, like Id). Sometimes quite good, but absolutely not worth putting enough faith into it to risk a bomb loss.
I always capture Ancestors, Paranoia and Polygraph, never take too much risk on Rorschach, sometimes fail Embers, have a good bombing route for genetics and can handle Philosophy with 2-3 bombs.
oh, and follow Yoslime's advice, they helped me quite a bit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvzZvFLvMgU
This video is the only reason I even got that far :V.
I might as well stay on-topic here. You know when you get a shit-ton of good accomplishments in Touhou, but then feel completely burnt out afterward and can't continue with anything else? That's me in a nutshell right now.
Maybe not exactly, but still I could actually 1cc Hard EoSD/PCB/IN now, but instead I`m stuck with that crappy extra stage >:(
Anyways, I WILL try more later. About 500 stage attempts and 150 Koishi attempts can`t go to waste...
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I still need a bomb to get to the middle. For some reason I`m always stuck on the bottom or die when slipping through without it.
Who are you playing with?
There is this "leap" of faith that you might have to do if your attack is low power b/c you can't finish before getting trapped near bottom of the screen. I've never successfully done it before without bomb.
Low power includes: non-ReimuA at less than 4 power.
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If I had more than 256M ram, I'd record in fraps or equivalent and crop for your viewing ridicule.
EoSD. Extra. Since you're posting in this thread, you probably realize you aren't the bees' knees at this touhou thing, but nevertheless you can make a solid run at Flandre. And twice in as many hours. But each time you're faced with the same problem: you have too many lives. You have no other choice but to...
...make an inexcusable death!
....
I can upload this bullshit if you want, but it's quite seriously as horrid as it sounds (and uninteresting, up until atwtbn, at which point it's loltastic). If I hadn't beaten Flandre (FINALLY), the next day, I... well... I would be even more bitter, if that's even imaginable.
Of course I realize I suck at Touhou. Hell, the only ever curtain shooter I ever beat on hard was PoFV, and thats not saying much considering the bombs...
I wasn't uploading it for it to be interesting...I took the name of the thread literally and quite frankly, my entire attempt at any shooter (except PoFV) are inexcusable fails. I just happen to have played EoSD earlier. Nevertheless, I still enjoy Touhou.
And aren't inexcusable deaths fails? Or are they more of a facepalm?
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I just failed a MoF Hard 1cc. Serves me right for playing as Reimu C.
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ANAX86 DOES HAVE SAVE STATES
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ANAX86 DOES HAVE SAVE STATES
Tell me. Tell me more. Tell me tell me t-t-t-t-t-tell me. 8D
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jpsysjRpjg
In Anex, its not intuitive at all. To Save a state, the game must be running. Then you can press ALT+F1 to save one state. ALT+F1 is one possible save state, but there are 7 more, by replacing "F1" with F2,F3,...F8,F9, with the exception of F4. ALT+F4 is left out because it is a shortcut that closes the current window.
To Load a state in Anex you have the floppies/hdi already in the emulator that you had when you saved the state, but the window NOT RUNNING. The only thing you should see is the first window you see when running the Anex emulator. Then you can press ALT+F1 to load state number one. ALT+F1 is one possible state, but there are 7 more, by replacing "F1" with F2,F3,...F8,F9, with the exception of F4. ALT+F4 is left out because it is a shortcut that closes the current window., and Anex will start up your game from where you save stated it.
oh man oh man oh man :*
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/me goes to test
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:* :* :* :* :* :* :*
And so a new era of challenges begin. :)
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Is there any reason you aren't using T98 instead ?
You know
That one emulator where sound emulation is somewhat accurate and save states aren't a hidden feature.
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IIRC recording is a pain with T98 or something.
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That and I believe it just plain lags on some computers.
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http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11583
About two seconds and I would...*sniff* *sob*
Also:
In Anex, its not intuitive at all. To Save a state, the game must be running. Then you can press ALT+F1 to save one state. ALT+F1 is one possible save state, but there are 7 more, by replacing "F1" with F2,F3,...F8,F9, with the exception of F4. ALT+F4 is left out because it is a shortcut that closes the current window.
To Load a state in Anex you have the floppies/hdi already in the emulator that you had when you saved the state, but the window NOT RUNNING. The only thing you should see is the first window you see when running the Anex emulator. Then you can press ALT+F1 to load state number one. ALT+F1 is one possible state, but there are 7 more, by replacing "F1" with F2,F3,...F8,F9, with the exception of F4. ALT+F4 is left out because it is a shortcut that closes the current window., and Anex will start up your game from where you save stated it.
*dies*
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Is there any reason you aren't using T98 instead ?
You know
That one emulator where sound emulation is somewhat accurate and save states aren't a hidden feature.
That and I believe it just plain lags on some computers.
I'd rather have smooth gameplay with no slowdown over an overly loud percussion overtaking the main melody. Now that I know savestates are on Anex86, there is no reason to ever use T-98 again...well, other than to play PoDD since Anex86 causes some freaky glitch when it plays it on this computer.
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Is there any reason you aren't using T98 instead ?
You know
That one emulator where sound emulation is somewhat accurate and save states aren't a hidden feature.
Because it's a laggy piece of crap which needs a NASA computer to run properly?
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I'd rather have smooth gameplay with no slowdown
Unless it's your PC lagging, slowdown is supposed to be there. SoEW was even designed with it in mind.
overly loud percussion overtaking the main melody
You can change the SSG volume in the sound settings.
Because it's a laggy piece of crap which needs a NASA computer to run properly?
I run it on a 2.2GHz Sempron on Vista.
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Unless it's your PC lagging, slowdown is supposed to be there. SoEW was even designed with it in mind.
Pfft, and what backing do you have on this? It runs perfectly lagless in Anex86, and I've gotten it to run even Mima's fight lagless on Next once in a blue moon. If it were designed with this in mind LLS and MS wouldn't have a "your computer lagged this much" tag in the results screen. This is Touhou, not Cave. :V Even if that was the case, I don't want it and would rather play lag-free.
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@Pastry: Is that glitch you mention moving left out of control after a while?
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@Pastry: Is that glitch you mention moving left out of control after a while?
Nope, this is something much more...deal breaking. Hang on, I think I still have a picture of it:
(http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8263/uboaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.png)
Before you say "corrupted hdi file," I transported one directly from my old computer. I tested it to make sure it worked, brought it over to this one via USB drive, and it still comes out looking like that. I dunno, I just use Next since it's the one game where slowdown makes sense. :V
Aah, one of my windows was to Livestream. ;_;
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Nope, this is something much more...deal breaking. Hang on, I think I still have a picture of it:
(http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8263/uboaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.png)
Before you say "corrupted hdi file," I transported one directly from my old computer. I tested it to make sure it worked, brought it over to this one via USB drive, and it still comes out looking like that. I dunno, I just use Next since it's the one game where slowdown makes sense. :V
Aah, one of my windows was to Livestream. ;_;
Ooh, that looks cool. I wanna do that. :V
Also, what was posted on the SSG volume in T98-Next, everything should be defaulted to 20, but SSG shoud be 8. I tested this number and others for a while and 8 is correct.
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My attempt at trying to 1cc PCB on Hard with ReimuB ended by me ramming into a laser on the tenth wave of Resurrection Butterfly.
At least I learned something from the run - if you get hit and then get a border during the deathbomb frames, the border will activate and go off automatically, leaving your lives and bombs intact.
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(http://img3.lln.crunchyroll.com/i/spire2/07162008/c/2/8/1/c28141a1a6d9e0_full.gif) (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11593)
(Click image)
Seriously, I can`t fucking believe it. My arch-nemesis is finally down! Er...I hope no one minds that I paused 2 or three times to dodge one wave on Genetics, because I needed that spare life. I would beat her before I if had better luck anyway. Thanks for moral support, people.
*Pats himself on the back*
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Holy Christ Yumeko on max rank is ridiculous. @_@
I think I might be able to perfect her with some practice but my movement speed is so slow for this! D:
And if I use Mima Baity will yell at me.
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Yay! Captured Rainbow UFO for the first time.
Bad thing is...
I died 3 times, using 6 bombs in the survival. :colonveeplusalpha: :colonveeplusalpha: :colonveeplusalpha:
Clipped Grudge Bow not in the 4th phase, but in the easy 2nd phase. :colonveeplusalpha:
Barely cleared it with 0/0 resources
That freaking survival... just HOW?
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The survival isn't that bad, until you clip it with 0-1 seconds left.
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FUCK YOU MURASA! FUCK YOU AND YOUR SINKING VORTEX!
...you know, I don't have a problem with any of Murasa's attacks. Some of them may kick my ass, but I don't hate them.
But why... why...
WHY can it happen that the end-of-card bullet clear coincides with the wave spawning of Sinking Vortex in such a way that during the following noncard I am suddenly attacked by fast bullets shooting up from below the playing field without any warning?!
On that note, I should have saved the replay as proof.
FFFFFFFF- >:(
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Yay perfect Yumeko at max rank!
Woops the video is unwatchable.
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Darn. I was running through IN Extra for no real reason, and was pleased to say that I was playing extremely well. It took me all the way to the first wave of the rings of death (not the uber one) before I died. I was thinking that I was going to make one heck of a run. Then, on Hourai Doll, Mokou's last real spell, I death-bombed at the last second, she had like no life left. That spell is easy too but whatever.
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Yay perfect Shinki at max rank!
Woops the sound desynced.
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Decided to try PCB Extra for some reason. I wasn't going for perfection or anything, just playing the stage again.
1DNBNBB AGAIN.
No, not Izuna Gongen which I would expect and has ruined almost every perfect run, but the survival card as it was about clear.
Also, UFO in general was fail.
I'm getting the feeling I'm not allowed to perfect that stage and that I'm not allowed to 1cc UFO Lunatic.
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Haha oh wow. Mima's final phase at max rank is so retarded it's hilarious.
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Haha oh wow. Mima's final phase at max rank is so retarded it's hilarious.
Hell yeah bullets with hitboxes larger than the graphics! :colonveeplusalpha:
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Hell yeah bullets with hitboxes larger than the graphics! :colonveeplusalpha:
Not only that, but on max rank the bullets move at the speed of light and the random crap attack has seriously a gigantic safespot where nothing ever goes. :derp:
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Not only that, but on max rank the bullets move at the speed of light and the random crap attack has seriously a gigantic safespot where nothing ever goes. :derp:
Oddly enough, the attack that always made me rage was the third one, because while it would be easy if the hitboxes were accurate or the game's controls were remotely suited to rapidly moving back and forth, neither are the case. Nonetheless, I believe in you~ ;)
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Border broken on Resurrection Butterfly 50% with 3 seconds left >:(
On a 2CC.
:V
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Over the past few months, I've been slowly developing a five-stage-long UFO chain, designed to give a high, yet balanced, amount of both bombs and lives, and culminating in the green UFO explosion in Stage 6. It's been a long and arduous process, but I have slowly worn down the game, bit by bit. In the few months I've been doing this on Hard, this intricate and developed chain has brought me as far as Total Clarification (once), but often ends around mid-Stage 4.
Today for shits and giggles I did all Green UFOs and got to Milky Way on my first try.
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Ha ha ha, that made me laugh IRL. But really, people overthink UFOs way too much. If you want my advice, you should focus on getting as many red UFOs as humanely possible, plan out a few specific places for green UFOs, and create rainbow UFOs when there's nothing else that can benefit you.
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But really, people overthink UFOs way too much.
For me it's more like "bullets overhit me way too much" :fail:
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In one attempt at Profound Danmaku Boudned Field, I found out the hard way that Yukari has a hitbox at the beginning. It was really funny.
Funnier still was when I tried to show someone how crazy lunatic AI on PoFV is by doing an Ai vs AI match. I deliberately chose Reisen and Tewi because of their crappy trapping power, and told the person "I don't think neither of them is going to land a hit on the other for at least five minutes". Ten seconds into the match Reisen rammed into a fairy.
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I randomly decided to try to 1cc IaMP Normal with Patchy. Got up to Pandemonium and Royal Flared her to death, but there was one problem. The death was me. She probably had like no life left since she was up with the black hole for a while, yet I couldn't do it. That, and the game not registering any inputs I give it. (apparently blocking is too hard to understand)
I have no idea why I even decided to play this game. It's not one I excel even remotely at. It's fun, but hard. Maybe another go....
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I... Ahaha wow. I just game overed on stage 6 Orin. I was ONE life fragment away from getting another life, and I had three power.
It IS something of an accomplishment to have reached stage 6 Hard like this I suppose. And yet... Ow that hurt
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So I'm trying MegaMari out.
Is it just me, or does it feel like danmaku does not mix well with some other game genres at all?
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So I'm trying MegaMari out.
Is it just me, or does it feel like danmaku does not mix well with some other game genres at all?
Just wait till you see my Touhou + Dance Dance Revolution + Professor Layton game.
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So I'm trying MegaMari out.
Is it just me, or does it feel like danmaku does not mix well with some other game genres at all?
It is a decently fun game once you get some weapons! Sometimes things seem downright undodgable though.
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3D5B Scarlet Gensokyo lunatic time out.
this doesn't seem any easier than VoWG.
need to improve more...
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Why the fuck do I suck again?! WHY?! FUCK!
I never failed Nazrin's 2nd spellcard before today, and I've now failed it 3 times in a row.
This is why I hate feeling like I'm getting better, because I always, always prove myself wrong right after.
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So I was playing UFO Hard mode.
I don't get this.
Nazrin Pendulum and Pendulum Guard give me no trouble whatsoever.
Why is HSNP so hard?
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Why is HSNP so hard?
What's this?
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Memorize it, Skip. That'll solve all your problems.
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What's this?
High Sensitivity Nazrin Pendulum, her last spellcard on hard.
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I have never captured that card myself, and I can do all the other ones up to Shou
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Either use MarisA to trivialize it or just be ready to bomb it as it's harder than the Lunatic version.
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Either use MarisA to trivialize it or just be ready to bomb it as it's harder than the Lunatic version.
What.
There's way more open space on the Hard version, and it should be easy to learn where the safest spots are. If you want to see a good way through it, view Stage 1 of my old Hard 1cc (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9712).
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Either use MarisA to trivialize it or just be ready to bomb it as it's harder than the Lunatic version.
No, no, no, no. None of that. You will at least have to be able to capture that spellcard. Everything else is quite laughable really - if you are a hard mode player and above at least - . No really. You shouldn't have to bomb anything in Stage 1.
You want to move quite a bit more around the screen. The lunatic version is only easier if you put yourself under a "no-leaving-the-bottom" restriction, which is quite normal for inexperienced players because they don't know to do otherwise.
Like so: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11662
EDIT: And that was a one-shot. Don't bomb something like this. Safe your bombs for Stage... 3 or 4 or something.
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SanaeB also kind of makes it trivial due to the whole splash damage thing.
The card is pretty annoying with ReimuB, SanaeA, MarisaB.
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Well, as i demonstrated its easy regardless of who you use. SanaeB and MarisaA is certainly preferable though as they will kill it faster but ReimuA kills it reasonably fast iirc.
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I use Reimu B, I'll never capture this card :(
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I use Reimu B, I'll never capture this card :(
So what? (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11668)
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Well, as i demonstrated its easy regardless of who you use.
Easy after you memorize it, sure, but not before. It's actually pretty challenging as far as stage one cards go.
I use Reimu B...
So what? (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11668)
Yeah, Reimu B has the hardest time with it for sure, but once you memorize a route (like the one outlined in Zengeku's replay), you'll be wondering how you ever failed it :V
It's just one of those cards you'll eventually start to pass the more you play, since you'll slowly build yourself a route through it each time you see it.
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>Sen: All Green UFOs run of UFO Hard
>Sen: Reach Shou 0/2
>Sen: Bomb RTG, panicbomb Shou's last spellcard
>Sen: CAPTURE VAJRA
>Sen: Gameover as Clarification is exploding
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Double Death Butterfly strikes again, but this time with more rage (apparently). Sakuya was unable to defend herself against the awesome power of butterflies that could kill you in one hit and got punished for not respecting nature as she should have. (maybe they're poisonous butterflies)
But in other news, she got DBF for a second time in the same run!
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"Three Fairies?"
The hell is this crap? There's Lunatic Modo in my Easy 3CC.
(I 1-credited my way to the final boss' opener :( )
I got 7,152,300 on my sixth total try ever. Is that good?
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"Three Fairies?"
The hell is this crap? There's Lunatic Modo in my Easy 3CC.
(I 1-credited my way to the final boss' opener :( )
I got 7,152,300 on my sixth total try ever. Is that good?
I wouldn't say it's bad. My continued runs are 6 million and under, but my 1cc of Route A-1 Easy ended with 11 million. So, technically, you did better than me when continuing!
P.S. This game is pretty difficult. Lunatic in easy modo: yes, it's there. It almost makes it look like lunatic isn't any more difficult.
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Easy after you memorize it, sure, but not before. It's actually pretty challenging as far as stage one cards go.
What? That's something you're making up on the spot? When there is so few bullets and so slow then there's no excuse from getting hit. Moving to the right/left when the crystal comes down just makes logical sense to get more dodging space.
But still knowing how the card will act is gonna serve beneficial of course. @anyone who's having trouble. Go watch the replay and capture that spellcard consisntently from here on out. :V You're not gonna 1cc Hard before you can do that!
Oh and as i was just attempting this with MarisaB i managed to fuck it of three times before getting a capture because she is fail. I think she have the hardest time. I didn't try as SanaeA though.
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Oh and as i was just attempting this with MarisaB i managed to fuck it of three times before getting a capture because she is fail. I think she have the hardest time. I didn't try as SanaeA though.
Haha! See, not so easy now eh ;) Knowing how the card works plays a crucial role in consistantly capturing it, so you can't really expect people who don't play the game very often to be awesome and perfect it from the start :V
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Recently, when playing with MarisaB in SA, I keep getting game overs at or around Spleen Eater on Normal.
Taking Donut's suggestion to switch to one of the Reimu types, I instead lost at Hell's Artificial Sun with ReimuB.
So close...but Stage 5 is still probably my worst enemy. Orin likes to tear me apart with her nonspells, and then there's Needle Mountain... If I could iron that out, I'd have a 1cc at last. :(
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During my sa 1cc here's what happened
Stage 1: fine as always
Stage 2: 1 death on midboss parsee spell(lol how?)
Stage 3 and 4:no deaths everything went smoothly
Stage 5: 1 death to orin on ghost wheels
Stage 6: and then utsuho... Needless to say I only had 1 extra life at the end of the fight
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Haha! See, not so easy now eh ;) Knowing how the card works plays a crucial role in consistantly capturing it, so you can't really expect people who don't play the game very often to be awesome and perfect it from the start :V
I guess i can't.
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Me, Every damn time on MoF
Stage 1: Haha! Suck it Characters I've never heard of!
Stage2: Muhaho!
Stage3: Nyo ho~ Oops. I lost a loife?!?! Whaaa?
Stage4: But I-
Stage 5: Fuck this game.
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Nooooo
GFW Normal w/ 11M (that's... good, right?) Points here (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11693) (with more derps than fingers on my hands)
and GFW Hard attempt with 2M points here. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11694)
I am so close.
I can taste it.
And yet
I know that Three Fairies will utterly annihilate me and any attempts at a 1cc :V
THIS IS MY FIRST SHOT AT EoSD EXTRA EVERRR (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11696)
I am doing things wrong. How do I know? I am Mister Sanity, and by association, I do things wrong.
Please advice on how do.
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THIS IS MY FIRST SHOT AT EoSD EXTRA EVERRR (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11696)
I am doing things wrong. How do I know? I am Mister Sanity, and by association, I do things wrong.
Please advice on how do.
The first two attacks are pure streaming. Learn how to collect the Power items here without bombing. The attack after that is more a test of how well you can keep up with the enemy appearances - ReimuB can knock the fairies out pretty quickly. Then the one after that is dodging randomly-oriented patterns, not much advice I can give other than learning how to read it.
The trick for "Silent Selene" is staying under Patchouli. You need to read the layout of the teal bullets to see where she moved to. "Royal Flare" is completely static, so memorize the pattern. Since you also use ReimuB, I recommend going through it the same way as I do in this replay (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11688). I actually don't know if anything in "Philosopher's Stone" is aimed - maybe the blue ones, but I know the others aren't. Whether or not anything is aimed, most of it is just dodging.
More streaming for the next two attacks. Again, don't use bombs here - you might need them to survive on Flandre. The books fire a mix of aimed and random shots, but it's mostly dodging anyway. Then one last streaming attack to end the stage portion.
As you probably haven't seen much of Flandre, I don't want to spoil too much of her fight. I'll just do the first two cards. "Cranberry Trap" alternates between pink bullets that travel to the center of the screen (these are static) and blue ones that are aimed at your position. Thus, it can be roughly memorized. During "Laevatein", you might notice that a safespot appears above Flandre's head after she swings her sword on some waves (I stress "after"). Go up there to avoid the harder waves (see my replay above, or pretty much any vid of EoSD Extra on Youtube).
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Aww but going through Laevatein's bullets are the fun part :V
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I HAVE FUCKING WASTED 7 HOURS OF MY LIFE FUCKING FAILING AT THE FIRST STAGE OF UFO IN LUNATIC.... OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
FUCKING 7 HOURS.
k, guyz. I'm going to go fail my semester exams because FUCKING UFO wasted all my time. ONLY BECAUSE I HAVE ENOUGH SELF-CONTROL I WONT THROW THIS PIECEOFSHIT GAME OUT THE WINDOW.
(mood = temporary rage. Please wait warmly while girls are relaxing :V)
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I just found out that TV Tropes got a new section made especially for rants about Touhou bosses :V :
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ThatOneBoss/Touhou (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ThatOneBoss/Touhou)
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I just found out that TV Tropes got a new section made especially for rants about Touhou bosses :V :
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ThatOneBoss/Touhou (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ThatOneBoss/Touhou)
"?The Prismriver Sisters, come at the end of stage 4, which is already arguably the hardest non-extra level in Touhou." :/
Oh and "Dynamic Difficulty"? They mean rank? Isn't that supposed to affect pretty much nothing in PCB aside of Merlin's opener?
Still gotta admit it was an interesting read even though i highly disagree with most that's written there. :)
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Yeah, I can argue against a bunch of stuff on that page too. Even regarding PCB Stage 4, I would call it the longest, but not the hardest, because most of the stage portion is aimed or static. If you ask me, the hardest stage portion would probably be either SA Stage 5 or UFO Stage 5. Maybe I should make my own contributions to the page when I have the time.
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(http://i52.tinypic.com/20ff5lj.jpg)
Hrmn.
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That is just so wrong Naut.
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Died as the second wave of Possessed By Phoenix ended.
Has anyone anywhere noted that the second phase lasts too goddamn long?
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Died as the second wave of Possessed By Phoenix ended.
Has anyone anywhere noted that the second phase lasts too goddamn long?
It always seems that way. If I die on that wave, it's always the very last seconds of it. (maybe ZUN was aware of this...)
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I feel like I've seen this before. Do you go to THAT Touhou forum? Someone else there wasted seven hours trying to perfect UFO Stage 1 Lunatic. I'll tell you the same thing I told them: if you're spending seven hours trying to clear a stage on Lunatic, maybe you shouldn't be playing on Lunatic.
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I feel like I've seen this before. Do you go to THAT Touhou forum? Someone else there wasted seven hours trying to perfect UFO Stage 1 Lunatic. I'll tell you the same thing I told them: if you're spending seven hours trying to clear a stage on Lunatic, maybe you shouldn't be playing on Lunatic.
Everyone has to move on somehow if they cleared Hard in the same game. It's more like "If you're spending seven hours trying to clear a stage on Lunatic, you're going to have a long, hard time clearing Lunatic".
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If you're spending seven hours trying to clear a stage on Lunatic, maybe you shouldn't be playing on Lunatic.
Maybe he should save UFO Lunatic for another time... since its easily the hardest one. @Paper_Conan: Are you done with the rest of the series' Lunatics? If not then i'd recommend going for those first.
Hrmn.
Aww that was close too :(. That capture rate? Is that due to attempts to capture it at 90FPS or timeouts... or just dying a lot? I'm a little curious. :)
Yeah, I can argue against a bunch of stuff on that page too. Even regarding PCB Stage 4, I would call it the longest, but not the hardest, because most of the stage portion is aimed or static. If you ask me, the hardest stage portion would probably be either SA Stage 5 or UFO Stage 5. Maybe I should make my own contributions to the page when I have the time.
Yeah and also that thing about Keine. That was really hard to take seriously. Her stuff was easy for me back when i was still struggling to beat Mokou. Ah good old days... About S5's in SA and UFO. I think its SA's thats the hardest one. If i could perfect that stage portion i would've had a Perfect Stage 5 a long time ago since Orin's my bitch. UFO is pretty much the other way around. I handle the stage pretty well with the only actual threat being Greatest Treasure... Shou however... well, let's just say i'm her bitch.
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Aww that was close too :(. That capture rate? Is that due to attempts to capture it at 90FPS or timeouts... or just dying a lot? I'm a little curious. :)
Probably faced the card at 60fps as Reimu B... Three times? Four times? Something like that.
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ehh.. I read "perfect" a stage, not just "clear" it.. and I rekon it could take ME about the same length of time to do that on a lunatic stage in some cases..But hard modes are clearly no longer much of a challenge for me, so really. Keep plugging away >=)
Edit: Forgot to mention that bit about TVTropes. Some parts we can all agree or disagree to I'm sure. Fact is I don't think most of the articles there are written for Touhou-experienced players so much as those rather new to the series (or completely unknowledgable about it), keeping that perspective in m ind, I think It's reasonably accurate.
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why do all of my runs in everything go to hell in stage 4
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why do all of my runs in everything go to hell in stage 4
ZUN has his ways with stage 4.
SoEW Marisa: freakin' orbs.
LLS: Reimu fights Marisa, Marisa fights Reimu.
MS Yuki and Mai: Fighting both, and depending on who you kill first, you re-fight the other with reset health.
EoSD Patchy: Different spells depending on character and shot type, along with difficulty.
PCB Prismriver sisters: Depending on who you choose, different opener. And depending on who you shoot the most on first spell, different person = different attacks.
IN stage 4a or 4b: Again, depending on who you choose you get either Reimu or Marisa.
MoF Aya: Can't say much about her. Though she showed up on 9th game before the usual danmaku game type.
SA Satori: Recollection spells are different for every shot type.
UFO Murasa: ANCHORS!!!
(games 1, 3, 9 and non-whole numbered games don't count, since they're different)
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I think It's reasonably accurate.
Can't really say who its targetted for. I facepalmed. That's all. :V If somebody do get something constructive out of it though i suppose its cool.
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why do all of my runs in everything go to hell in stage 4
ZUN has his ways with stage 4.
And aside from those notes on the bosses, the stages also generally take a notable difficulty jump. I suppose it's ZUN's way of saying "Good job, but the next half won't be so easy!"
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Man, I think I played too much. My hands are fucking stiff. That never happens.
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And aside from those notes on the bosses, the stages also generally take a notable difficulty jump. I suppose it's ZUN's way of saying "Good job, but the next half won't be so easy!"
EoSD: Stage 3: Five lives Stage 4: Two lives
PCB: Stage 3: Seven lives Stage 4: Three lives
IN: Stage 3: Six lives Stage 4: Three lives
MoF: Stage 3: Six lives Stage 4: Three lives
SA: Stage 3: Five lives Stage 4: No lives
UFO: Stage 3: Five lives Stage 4: (I usually game over before finishing St. 4)
Also, SATORI KOMEIJI RAGE HERE
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Finished piecing together a PCB Extra death (mostly) collage (http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/8499/collageet.jpg), various shot types. I'm happy to leave Reimu-B alone now, but I'm a little upset that this was the only time I accidentally ended Chen's first spell too early. That'll look a little bad for the showcase, but there's no reason to stop with that run. Just not today, or any day in my immediate future. Everything under Extra was updated by 12/31, but I couldn't let go. I'll be returning to Reimu-A and Sakuya-B sooner or later.
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I'm trying to learn how to capture Orin's first boss card with ReimuA at 2.xx Power, as part of my scoring path. It's proving more trouble than it's worth, as she's too weak to handle it straight at the bottom. I haven't ruled out going back and forth, but I still suck at it, and restarting the stage every time I die gets cumbersome real quick. And I don't want to sacrifice more graze than I already am by eliminating another bomb from my path just to get more Power.
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I think I tapped into my innate Touhou Hax powers some days ago- (it only happens between 00:00 and 02:00 and has a ~30% chance of failure)- when I 1CC'd EoSD Normal, because I cannot for the life of me do it again
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I think I tapped into my innate Touhou Hax powers some days ago- (it only happens between 00:00 and 02:00 and has a ~30% chance of failure)- when I 1CC'd EoSD Normal, because I cannot for the life of me do it again
TH8 and TH10 are still the only two TH games I can semi-consistently 1CC on easy mode so I know what you mean :(
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Suddenly I can't fight remilia anymore. Keep dying to her non-spells for some reason :V
Damn it what's wrong with me...
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The fuck? I fail at Touhou suddenly!!! Well, i haven't played for months so i guess that was to be expected and everything that doesn't involve small gaps was easy "Storm Day, Hydro Camouflage etc.) but things like PWG was suddenly a lot harder.
I should play more Touhou.
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Yeah I think I give up on this for the moment.
"Triple Black Death Butterfly" with uncancelable bullets is just way too much. Got there twice with 3 lives and still couldn't even get past it.
Perfect Chicken Flavor Donatic BTW
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I finally got a *really* bad comeuppance for flying around too much without watching where I'm going today.
(Is playing PoFV with someone who is only a beginner at the series)
Friend: But you're a lot better at me than this.
Me: I'll give you a handicap by having only half a life. *smug* Still unlikely that you'll beat me though.
(Ten seconds into the first match, I fly into a fairy)
Friend: ... >_<
Me: ... >_<
(And so the awkward silence persists for the rest of the PoFV session.)
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Second edition of the PCB Extra death collage! (http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/7447/collage2w.jpg) Featuring Reimu-A, Sakuya-B, and Marisa-A.
Reimu-A's final run ended Chen's first spell too early, again. I also love (or hate) it for the fact that I should have died a thousand times over against Ran's final spell. Sakuya-B ended the noncard prior to Ultimate Buddhist at the wrong spot, requiring her to shoot at Ran a little longer for the cherry. Even so I overshot the required cherry for the last border at the end by roughly 1500, which combined with her already lowered health would put me short on cherry and end the next noncard just as I collected enough cherry for a border. Failed to summon a border, basically. Marisa-A's final run had personal the best CherryMax I ever saw before Ran (618K), but I threw away the lead by summoning the border too early for the first spell and the following noncard. Final spell sucked, hard. The player control seriously looks really bad.
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Wanted to get a SoEW replay up, so I decided to do a quick normal run... I die once on stage 4 from a bullet I didn't even see (damn Anex), and again shortly after from a bodyslam... Both with full bombs in reserve. Also wasted my last life on Mima with bombs in reserve because I didn't think her final phase was going to hit me... It did.
Also I tried to do a no death (excluding suicide at start) MoF score run (normal) this morning. I failed it on pretty much the easiest card in the game (Nitori's first card).
EDIT - Horrid SoEW run just now. Died twice on magic stones with a ton of bombs leftover... In spots where I shouldn't have needed to bomb anyway. Same goes for Mima, but my performance on her was even worse. Also a retarded death on Marisa. I did get 3 bombs to drop from ghosts on stage 1 though... Can't say I've ever seen that happen before.
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Are you kidding me? Really?
EoSD run and I die with the tiniest margin of hp possible for the boss to have before I capture the card or attack and a get hit on Meiling's last card twice. Princess Undine which would have been my first time ever capturing it. Then on the Star of David which blew my run at that point since I derped so many times.
Ooo, failure. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11817)
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Ok, here we go, I got Uncontrollable Nuclear Reaction and Peta Flare captured, this is gonna be my random perfect Utsuho run...
HOW DID I FAIL TEN EVIL STARS!? I EVEN USED THE CHEAP WAY!?
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After seeing Jaimers use savestates to achieve another amazing thing in PC-98, I decided to give perfecting Mu/Gengetsu another whirl.
Died on last phase ten seconds from the end. ;_;
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Beat Suwako....but when she was in that phase when you beat a boss they take a few seconds to properly die, and all the bullets disappear, i died during that phase. -____-"
Fml.
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Jaimers
savestates
amazing
PC-98
Gengetsu
last phase
oh yeah, Jaimers get to it
you know, that
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Tried a Hard 1cc at IN and failed.
YOU MEAN YOU CAN'T CONTINUE ON STAGE 6!?
Also, how is getting to stage 6 only 60% progress? ???
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oh yeah, Jaimers get to it
Last time I checked it was impossible.
Like literally. :V
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Yeaaaah. I know Jaimers is amazing and all, but there are some things that are outside of the ability of human reflexes and dexterity. Heck, even WITH slowdown nobody can seem to dodge it for long.
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Tried a Hard 1cc at IN and failed.
YOU MEAN YOU CAN'T CONTINUE ON STAGE 6!?
Also, how is getting to stage 6 only 60% progress? ???
You can't continue on FinalB. You can't access FinalB if you continue anytime before finishing Reisen...
It also sucks that you have to pull off a 1cc to unlock FinalB for stage practice.
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You can't continue on FinalB. You can't access FinalB if you continue anytime before finishing Reisen...
It also sucks that you have to pull off a 1cc to unlock FinalB for stage practice.
Ok, well that's just stupid. I can't believe ZUN did that. I guess I'll just fight Eirin instead (though it's against my better judgement) and fight Kaguya when I get better.
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Do-or-die miss on Yuyuko's time-out spellcard.
My first time playing single-player PoFV in about 6 months didn't go well. Didn't go well at all.
Now for the one I'm real ticked about. Touhouvania 2 on hard mode, final boss time. Jee-zus on a pogo stick, how annoying. In the first fight, I always have to tank a hit in order to make sure that annoying little bitch doesn't get ahold of me. The second fight is easy enough, but the third is insane. Two hundred bullets everywhere all day all the time. The only thing that I've found that works is to just spam Flan at the start of the fight to knock out everything that gets in the way, then spam Meiling for the rest. I've gotten her down to one hit and died to the first laser attack, considering that it can be so tough to dodge. Every other boss has a trick to beating them that's oh-so exploitable, but this one is just Flan spam.
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Now for the one I'm real ticked about. Touhouvania 2 on hard mode, final boss time. Jee-zus on a pogo stick, how annoying. In the first fight, I always have to tank a hit in order to make sure that annoying little bitch doesn't get ahold of me. The second fight is easy enough, but the third is insane. Two hundred bullets everywhere all day all the time. The only thing that I've found that works is to just spam Flan at the start of the fight to knock out everything that gets in the way, then spam Meiling for the rest. I've gotten her down to one hit and died to the first laser attack, considering that it can be so tough to dodge. Every other boss has a trick to beating them that's oh-so exploitable, but this one is just Flan spam.
Everything in that fight is static though. Memorize the safespots, win game.
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Tried a Hard 1cc at IN and failed.
YOU MEAN YOU CAN'T CONTINUE ON STAGE 6!?
Also, how is getting to stage 6 only 60% progress? ???
The completion percentages are pretty skewed. For example, if you die on Flandre's last card in EoSD Extra, you've apparently only completed 80% of the stage :V
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The completion percentages are pretty skewed. For example, if you die on Flandre's last card in EoSD Extra, you've apparently only completed 80% of the stage :V
ZUN is a great programmer... *cough cough*
Well whatever. I decided to go with Eirin instead today and continue and stuff to get stage practice.
Since the fifth last word requires you to cap Apollo 13 Hard, I decided to try that. Now I know what donut feels like. (and yes, to what you said earlier, that safespot is indeed harder to get, including the first wave)
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Everything in that fight is static though. Memorize the safespots, win game.
I gues it's simple on paper, but moving out of safespots to attack causes problems. There's plenty of flak flying around and tying together a large string of successful dodges is rough for me. I beat it anyway with Flanspam.
Anyway, this time I lost it on Suwako's last spell card. 2 lives left with full power and my eyes started to tire. And I would've crushed my old high score if I had made it, too. Plenty of spell cards captured, plus I got her third to last one for the first time.
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Well, apparently Hypercam2 desyncs every single time now.
I have no goddamn clue as to why it started doing this all of a sudden. I've never had this issue before and I really didn't change anything recently that could be related to it.
This makes me really sad. :(
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Well, apparently Hypercam2 desyncs every single time now.
I have no goddamn clue as to why it started doing this all of a sudden. I've never had this issue before and I really didn't change anything recently that could be related to it.
This makes me really sad. :(
Ok, this has worked for me in the past with Hypercam 2. When your video is processed in MeGUI, in the audio portion, set delay to 30 (ms). That synced it up for me in the past, but you may have to change that number a little. Hope that helps!
EDIT: I'm surprised you only had it start doing that recently. Hypercam 2 has always done that for me. This is why the newest version of Hypercam 3 is amazing. Works wonderfully for me. (except the not detecting the sound card thing)
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You too Jaimers? I was trying to record my efforts to perfect the 'getsus, but stopped when I noticed the playback desynched. Though, this may have something to do with savestate abusing entailing exitting and restarting the application after every failure.
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I've had audio desyncs in the past, and I find the easiest solution is to just drop the quality a notch. I'm sitting at about 80% compression, and it's working fine for me, whereas if I set it to 100, desyncs become much more frequent. I've also noticed correlations with which games you're recording (PC98s being more likely to desync, probably related to CPU usage or something) and how long you've been recording. I'd recommend restarting the recording every 15 minutes, or around the start of stage 5 for most games. May or may not solve your problems, but it's worked for me for the most part so you could give it a shot I guess.
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Maybe changing that percent might help me, because I've got mine set to 100%. The other annoying thing is with hypercam (either version), every few frames it records, it has one frame it skips, so it looks like the previous one. The times at which this happens is random though, and I can't compare it to anything it's recorded, it's just the way it is.
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every few frames it records, it has one frame it skips
Right right, not quite related, but it reminded me of something. I keep my recording FPS set to 10 with a keyframe at every 100. Not exactly sure how important the keyframe thing is, but I think it's safe to assume that a lower FPS should generally work better. You could probably get away with more, but 10 works fine for me so I just stick with it. I suppose it's something to keep in mind in anyway.
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Yeah, I've got mine to record 30fps (keyframe at 100) since that's pretty good for PC98. My recording devices are pretty lame at recording anyway, I'm guessing that's because of my graphics card not being able to keep up. It's not my processor, since it's awesome. I'll just keep experimenting until I get it to work.
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Failed a PCB Lunatic 1cc at 80% Reflowering.
I was three Point Items away from the 1200 Extend.
:colonveeplusalpha:
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So, I tried PCB lunatic 5cc again.
In retrospect, getting to 80% Reflowering was awesome, because I can't do it again.
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I tried to do an EoSD normal no bomb run and managed to die twice to Cirno, once to Sakuya and then lost every single life to Remilia in around 30 seconds because i got nervous after my first stupid death. I'm sad because in my very first successful 1cc run i managed to clear most of her spellcards and only had 2 lives. :(
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Alt-tab, reduce foobar's sound, failing to Kaguya's 4th Last Spell.
http://imgur.com/eRQKj
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Was trying to unlock extra for ReimuA in UFO, made it to Byakuren with 1 life, died on her first card. Tried again, went from 6 to 3 lives between the start and the end of Murasa, rage alt-f4'd sometime during her last card.
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So I figured the reason I couldn't consistently 1cc PCB Lunatic was because I'm good at the bosses (MarisaA yeahhhhh) but die/bomb a lot during the stages (MarisaA noooooo). So, I decided to do some stage grinding.
I proceeded to perfect the stage portion of Stage 5 and then get absolutely destroyed by Youmu. :V
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I failed another SA normal 1cc with reimuA again. I cannot seem to ever 1cc that game on normal. Same with UFO.
I was doing good for a while though and Utsuho just killed me everywhere.
I hate this game SO MUCH! It just makes me want to remove it from my computer and never have to touch it again. >:(
EDIT: Oh yeah. Why can't I continue where I left off? You mean I have to restart the entire stage ALL OVER AGAIN?! That's hardly fair. I liked it better when it was EoSD / PCB / IN style.
EDIT: Sorry for all of the unnecessary rage posted above. :ohdear:
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I failed another SA normal 1cc with reimuA again. I cannot seem to ever 1cc that game on normal. Same with UFO.
I was doing good for a while though and Utsuho just killed me everywhere.
I hate this game SO MUCH! It just makes me want to remove it from my computer and never have to touch it again. >:(
Any specific parts you have trouble on? I find SA is very easy once you're used to it, at least on Normal. UFO is a different story, I've only managed to clear it once, which I'm going to have to blame mostly on the UFO system and partly on me just being bad at Shou/Byakuren.
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I've got trouble with Orin and her fairy attacks, the ones that follow you. I know you can redirect them to somewhere else and then shoot the boss but when I redirect them, Orin's bullets somehow kill me.
And what's really hard is Utsuho altogether. I seriously don't know how to fare with her. It's pretty much just her spells. The first one last way too long, the second one seems like luck that it doesn't wall you, the third is hard when I die from the suns for no reason (I know the trick to stay in one spot) and the fourth I've only reached twice and it seems much harder than it is. It starts throwing out the bullets immediately unlike lunatic where they sit there for a while so you can get more damage on the boss. I can't say anything about her last though, as I've never reached it on normal.
Also, do you have to beat the stage to unlock it in practice? I ask this because I have SA minimized and I'm continuing like crazy hoping to beat it with as little lives as I have.
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I got Q.E.D.'d.
Only this time I actually almost captured it.
Oh, and I game overed, too.
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I got Q.E.D.'d.
Only this time I actually almost captured it.
Oh, and I game overed, too.
Yeah, Flandre is pretty difficult. I barely beat her when I did: I had nothing left at the end.
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I've got trouble with Orin and her fairy attacks, the ones that follow you. I know you can redirect them to somewhere else and then shoot the boss but when I redirect them, Orin's bullets somehow kill me.
And what's really hard is Utsuho altogether. I seriously don't know how to fare with her. It's pretty much just her spells. The first one last way too long, the second one seems like luck that it doesn't wall you, the third is hard when I die from the suns for no reason (I know the trick to stay in one spot) and the fourth I've only reached twice and it seems much harder than it is. It starts throwing out the bullets immediately unlike lunatic where they sit there for a while so you can get more damage on the boss. I can't say anything about her last though, as I've never reached it on normal.
Also, do you have to beat the stage to unlock it in practice? I ask this because I have SA minimized and I'm continuing like crazy hoping to beat it with as little lives as I have.
Orin... I only really have trouble with her last card now, since the timing is a bit iffy on it (redirect and get back to the bottom before you see red bubbles). The first fairy one you can just start at the top, follow her bullets in a circle, and dart back to the bottom. You shouldn't have to repeat it again since the pellets will spread out enough to dodge easily... Especially with ReimuA, she's a powerhouse.
Orin's first is tough only because of the circumference of the nukes... Strategy is the same as Orin's wheels (aimed nukes, dodge blue bullets), just with bigger bullets. With the second, just stay to the bottom almost exclusively, watch mostly for the blue bullets behind the nukes, and watch a bit for the nuke positions... If you think you're gonna get walled, get to a different position if possible. You shouldn't need more than 1-2 bombs on this. I assume this is the trick you're referring to with the third? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk8pLj1GR9o#t=5m46s) If so, that's pretty much the easiest way to do it, so stick to it. Fourth? Good luck bro, hardest card in the game I'd say. Try to keep under Okuu as much as possible, move between the bullets, bomb when the pressure gets to be too much. Play it safe, but it runs for a while, so you will likely burn a life and a good few bombs. Last card is suction. Position yourself above a red bullet, watch the pellets as they come out, position yourself to be pulled between a gap in the pellets, move your way back, repeat. Very simple card, but movement can be tricky, and like all last spells, it speeds up towards the end.
I'm sure a lot of this may have been obvious to you, but that's what I've got to say on it =p. As to your last question, I believe you need to clear the stage without continues to unlock practice... Your best bet is to download someone's score.dat if you want stage practice. The same goes for UFO.
Here's mine if you want it actually. (http://www.mediafire.com/?kq28b8rgia4e584) I think I only have stage 6 open for 3 shot types, but ReimuA is one of them. Just be sure to back up your own score.dat first.
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I assume this is the trick you're referring to with the third? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk8pLj1GR9o#t=5m46s) If so, that's pretty much the easiest way to do it, so stick to it.
Yep, that's what I do. For some reason, the suns under Reimu always seem to kill her when it appears I haven't touched it yet. Though I noticed on that spell you seem to be moving into the upper one. I should try that and see what happens.
EDIT: I tried it and it worked for some reason, until I died by a yellow bullet and had no extra lives in the process. :(
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Yep, that's what I do. For some reason, the suns under Reimu always seem to kill her when it appears I haven't touched it yet. Though I noticed on that spell you seem to be moving into the upper one. I should try that and see what happens.
I recommend you don't go that far up though, I was pushing it a little there I think. I recommend you only look at the inner suns when you line yourself up though, since most people read bullets above them better than behind them... Or at least I do. It's also worth noting that the 4 suns aren't all rotating over the same point, it's actually two circles (one circle for each two opposing suns). Ie. just because one misses you, don't assume the next will. Keep watching, reposition accordingly.
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Yeah, Flandre is pretty difficult. I barely beat her when I did: I had nothing left at the end.
I've beaten her before, though. Though, it HAS been a while since I've touched EoSD, so...yeah.
QED still needs to gowai, though.
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I recommend you don't go that far up though, I was pushing it a little there I think. I recommend you only look at the inner suns when you line yourself up though, since most people read bullets above them better than behind them... Or at least I do. It's also worth noting that the 4 suns aren't all rotating over the same point, it's actually two circles (one circle for each two opposing suns). Ie. just because one misses you, don't assume the next will. Keep watching, reposition accordingly.
Well I just capped it. Does that count?
And I finally reached the last spell. There was only like 3 or 4 seconds left and I ran DOWN into the white bullets. *facepalm*
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I've got trouble with Orin and her fairy attacks, the ones that follow you. I know you can redirect them to somewhere else and then shoot the boss but when I redirect them, Orin's bullets somehow kill me.
And what's really hard is Utsuho altogether. I seriously don't know how to fare with her. It's pretty much just her spells. The first one last way too long, the second one seems like luck that it doesn't wall you, the third is hard when I die from the suns for no reason (I know the trick to stay in one spot) and the fourth I've only reached twice and it seems much harder than it is. It starts throwing out the bullets immediately unlike lunatic where they sit there for a while so you can get more damage on the boss. I can't say anything about her last though, as I've never reached it on normal.
If you're playing ReimuA, you can tackle Orin's first card by luring the fairies up top, then going back under Orin and staying there. You need at least 3 Power to do this, otherwise the fairies won't die fast enough. I actually still have questions about what the best way to handle Orin's last card is, so I can't really say anything about it.
Utsuho's first two cards are indeed her hardest. For the first, you should only need two positions to redirect the suns (I recommend redirecting the first one to the side). If you see a good path through the blue bullets, don't hesitate to take it. The key to her second card is finding the biggest spaces. If a group of suns is falling above you, don't just sit at the bottom and wait for it to open - move out of its way altogether. Don't take the chance, as it's actually a very fair attack. When you're in the safebox for the third card, use only horizontal movements. Utsuho's fourth card is easier than you make it out to be. Stay to to either side of the screen, and you'll have a lot more time to read the bullets and a lot more room to move out of their way. As for her final, the "let gravity pull you through the gaps" idea was already mentioned, but being able to control yourself as you counteract the gravity is important. I suggest that when you move left and right, you almost always make it a diagonal motion.
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Just to ask, does anyone else have the glitch in the game where the bosses forget to give you a life piece when they normally should? It's really annoying for me. It mostly happens with Parsee's spell where she duplicates herself. :/
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I've never heard of that before. Do you have a replay or video?
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Well it happened again. I'm still continuing stage 6 :V and she did it twice in one run. It seems to happen randomly except for that attack I mentioned earlier. I'll put up a replay in a bit so you can see.
I think I'm just gonna cheese my way through stage 6 by having fraps lock down the fps to 30 or something, because I think it can do that. That, or I'll take chirpy's score.dat file and just stick with that for a while until I get the hang of things. I'm doing better now, but it's just up to if I can bomb fast enough.
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You're sure you aren't timing it out or something right? If so, I can't say I've never had that happen.
Anyway, here's how I captured that last card. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzuvuqOB7mc) Orin has no hitbox in this card. I believe this is the only instance of this happening in the series aside from Gengetsu... Maybe not. In any case, the important part is that Orin will not spawn bullets on top of you, so get nice and cozy there at the start. Honestly I still don't like this card, solely because there's a lot of unfocused movement, but it seems pretty easy in theory.
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Parsee also has no hitbox on Green eyed Monster, which I figured out the hard way.
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All right. I did cheese my way through it to unlock the practice. (I wasn't about to chance that it wouldn't open while I was there. Plus, 30fps is way more fun)
It's funny, because even at 30fps, I still ended up with no lives left in the end. I also purposefully bombed through most of the cards so I wouldn't have on record that I capped them using what may be called a tool-assisted run. I'd rather they be failed.
Also, SA now says that I've cleared ReimuA normal. :V
As for a replay of the bosses failing: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11885
It only happens in here with Orin (not midboss) and with Utsuho. You can see the gap in the items where it should be but it isn't there. The most notable one is n the spell I lose the run at, (the one with the circling suns) I don't get a piece when she ends the nonspell which I know for a fact now I should get.
Surprisingly, Parsee didn't glitch up, nor did any of the first four bosses that I could find.
EDIT: Also, to say what chirpy asked, no, I'm not timing them out. They finish like they normally do and just plain forget the life piece.
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Um, you didn't get the life-pieces because you died, dude. For any attack that has a life-piece, you have to go through it without dying or timing it out (bombing is okay) for one to appear.
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Um, you didn't get the life-pieces because you died, dude. For any attack that has a life-piece, you have to go through it without dying or timing it out (bombing is okay) for one to appear.
Oh, that makes sense. I never knew that about this game. Alright, thanks! :V
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Byakuren also doesn't have a collsion hitbox anytime from final nonspell to the end.
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This. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11887) It's the last word Total Purification. I should have capped it but whatever.
At the time of this post, I'm at 162 attempts on this spell and still haven't got it. Why does it have to be fast? Oh well, I'll get it eventually.
EDIT: Now at 183 attempts, I got it. Yay! Though this isn't really the thread for victories, but whatever. It matches the above so there.
This is by far the hardest Last Word I've ever fought. (By fought, I mean the first nine, which includes this one) I'm going in order. ;)
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Took me FOREVER to realize what you needed to do to get a life point in SA. I always thought it was random or something :ohdear:
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Byakuren also doesn't have a collsion hitbox anytime from final nonspell to the end.
No way, that's just ridicul-
/me checks
:o
Well, I suppose a savior doesn't mind being hugged. :3 But how did you figure that out? I dont' imagine you just randomly collided with every boss to see if they had a hitbox or not...
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Yeah, Donut if you played a little more SanaeB that would be common knowledge for you. :V
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*Insert obligatory Chiyuri rage here*
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I absolutely despise being rusty at Touhou.
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PCB hard: ragequit on Chen
IN hard: a wave moves on top of me in Invisible Full Moon with 10% life left D:<
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Yumemi makes me so sad.
Stage 9 took 11 minutes and I still didn't beat her. :qq:
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wait what 11 minutes for a single round?
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Stage 9 combined.
Tried playing as Chiyuri.
Holy crap it's like lunatic on crack. :V
Amazing fun though, although the bomb delay after using a level 1 is really annoying.
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Baity's failed attempts back then turned the Kana 1cc into something of a PoDD holy grail but it was misleading, Chiyuri is many times harder - moves too fast, your own boss attack kills you by causing too many reflected bullets, L1 is nearly useless for defending yourself and is glitchy, Kotohime in stage 7....... I'd also put a Marisa 1cc as harder than a Kana 1cc, seeing as it's much harder to reach Yumemi in the first place.
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FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFudge
failed a 75fps run of PCB Extra on the penultimate card's last wave
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11908)
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I'd also put a Marisa 1cc as harder than a Kana 1cc, seeing as it's much harder to reach Yumemi in the first place.
Really? I don't remember having as much difficulty with my old Marisa 1cc as I'm having right now with Kana.
Kana has the issue of 5 minute matches and she also can't defend herself all that well against bosses. You have to get in the boss's face and back to fully use a level 1 and that's something Kana's speed doesn't really allow.
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My latest attempt at this week's PCB survival challenge (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=11966). I get to Alice's midboss Spellcard on Lunatic, and a laser that's not even fully formed somehow kills me before I can react to anything. I urge you to watch how it happened and laugh, or rage along with me. In short, fuckingrandomnessaghaghagh. Thank God I still have a week to get better runs.
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(5:37:29 PM) ShiningDrake: >1.4 spare, 4 power reaching Orin
(5:37:36 PM) ShiningDrake: ...How the hell does Stage 5 do this to me
(5:37:58 PM) ShiningDrake: The game randomly deems that I must have NEGATIVE deathbomb time
(5:40:52 PM) ShiningDrake: ...This is not funny. At all. The game is freaking cheating on me
(5:41:06 PM) ShiningDrake: I position myself, ready to dodge at any moment through the first part of Orin's opener
(5:41:16 PM) ShiningDrake: As soon as it starts moving, I move
(5:41:33 PM) ShiningDrake: A BULLET HAS SUDDENLY GOTTEN IN THE WAY WHEN IT WAS WAY TOO FAR AWAY TO DO THAT BEFORE
(5:43:14 PM) ShiningDrake: And then I die on Orin's second card
(5:43:22 PM) ShiningDrake: Because I have to bomb twice on the first, once on second nonspell
(5:43:36 PM) ShiningDrake: And then of course once on second card itself
(5:43:46 PM) ShiningDrake: This is not funny
(5:43:59 PM) ShiningDrake: I started stage 5 with like five or six spare lives
(5:44:16 PM) ShiningDrake: Suddenly it starts deciding that I have negative deathbomb time and generally need to die
(5:44:28 PM) ShiningDrake: I reach Orin with 1.4 spare
(5:44:45 PM) ShiningDrake: I die to something that literally COULD NOT HAVE POSSIBLY KILLED ME LIKE THAT
(5:45:17 PM) ShiningDrake: Then of course I don't have enough bombs to reach the next life, which I'm ONE FRAGMENT AWAY FROM WHEN I DIE
(5:45:24 PM) ShiningDrake: What the hell SA
(5:45:26 PM) ShiningDrake: Just, what the hell
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Almost every death in an MoF Hard run occured when I had 3.00+ power remaining. I still made it to Divine Virtue of Rage God. And somehow I STILL haven't 1cc'd MoF Hard.
ARGH.
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So. Many. Deaths. On. MoF. Stage. 4. (Normal) AARGH.
I only beat that stage once, and I had to quit playing and do something else while I was trying to beat MoF Stage 6.
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Either I fail at Hina's Midboss spellcard or it's made of epic clipdeath.
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(http://i55.tinypic.com/334oysg.jpg)
No miss until this point...
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:(
I hate it when that happens. WHICH IS ALL THE TIME, MoF and after.
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Either I fail at Hina's Midboss spellcard or it's made of epic clipdeath.
It's static, as far as I know.
No miss until this point...
Wait, you moved above the bottom at that point? Is there something I'm missing?
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So. Many. Deaths. On. MoF. Stage. 4. (Normal) AARGH.
I only beat that stage once, and I had to quit playing and do something else while I was trying to beat MoF Stage 6.
Bomb the zigzag waterfall things if needed (the one after Momiji is worse), lure all the fairies right before Momiji to the left side of the screen, be ready to bomb on Momiji, bomb anything that's clusterfucking you, bomb anything of Aya's that you don't think you can make. Pretty much everything that isn't Momiji, a superfairy, or those bats at the end is aimed, so you can just stream the whole stage more or less. You may want to bomb or deathbomb if you see a lot of faith items you can't get to as well, but I'll leave that up to you.
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Wait, you moved above the bottom at that point? Is there something I'm missing?
Well, the first death was at the bottom of the screen. The second was me getting pissed off at my death and getting all up in Kanako's grill, only to pay for my anger shortly after.
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That nonspell at Hard difficulty is actually supposed to be done around 1/3 up from the bottom of the screen. You can handle it there the same way as it's done on lunatic.
Also, I'm way to sick to be playing anything. I doubt I'll be able to participate in this tournament.
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Derp deaths at the beginning of my PCB survival runs always feel like a waste of time. Maybe I should hold off on it for a day or two, refresh myself and all that jazz.
That nonspell at Hard difficulty is actually supposed to be done around 1/3 up from the bottom of the screen. You can handle it there the same way as it's done on lunatic.
Also, I'm way to sick to be playing anything. I doubt I'll be able to participate in this tournament.
It can be handled at the bottom the same way as on Lunatic (the timing you need is slightly different, but only slightly). No need to move up at all.
Also, get well soon.
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This is accomplishment and failure all rolled into one ...
The accomplishment: Perfect hard Cirno fight, after getting live recording working without a huge drop in framerate (so yes, I didn't get ⑨'d by Perfect Freeze like I normally do :p)
The failure: Camstudio wouldn't save the video. :derp:
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Two deaths on Wizard Fox Thoughts.
Two deaths on Unilateral Contract.
A death on Fox-Tanuki Youkai Laser.
Entering Izuna Gongen with 0/4.
Dying with 10% HP left 2,000 points from a Border.
The only video in the world that can make through all that I am feeling as of this moment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufsf_-a_H9Q)
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Wauw, MoF does not like the V-Sync patch on this new computer.
It says it runs at 60 fps, but the fps is stuttery as hell and it's really hard to follow the bullets.
When played without the patch, MoF has absolutely terrible input lag. Which I find odd, as the game is not supposed to have much input lag at all? It's like PCB bad here.
...I have no idea what's going on here.
The other games don't seem to have this problem. Danmakufu on the other hand does.
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Wauw, MoF does not like the V-Sync patch on this new computer.
It says it runs at 60 fps, but the fps is stuttery as hell and it's really hard to follow the bullets.
When played without the patch, MoF has absolutely terrible input lag. Which I find odd, as the game is not supposed to have much input lag at all? It's like PCB bad here.
...I have no idea what's going on here.
The other games don't seem to have this problem. Danmakufu on the other hand does.
If it means anything, a similar thing happened to me. When I got my new computer back in 2009, PCB and IN became really stuttery (and PC-98 as well but that's a more easy fix). I had no idea what caused it, and several months later the problem went away. Doesn't help, but it might be some strange transient problem your computer will fix on its own.
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If it means anything, a similar thing happened to me. When I got my new computer back in 2009, PCB and IN became really stuttery (and PC-98 as well but that's a more easy fix). I had no idea what caused it, and several months later the problem went away. Doesn't help, but it might be some strange transient problem your computer will fix on its own.
That actually is still happening to me. To fix it, I minimize the game and then make it pop back up. It's the weirdest thing.
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I restarted playing Double Spoiler and stopped just as quickly. I have been thoroughly reminded why I don't find this particular branch of Touhou fun at all. I'm stopping somewhere around stage 8 and I'm far better for it.
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Wauw, MoF does not like the V-Sync patch on this new computer.
It says it runs at 60 fps, but the fps is stuttery as hell and it's really hard to follow the bullets.
When played without the patch, MoF has absolutely terrible input lag. Which I find odd, as the game is not supposed to have much input lag at all? It's like PCB bad here.
...I have no idea what's going on here.
The other games don't seem to have this problem. Danmakufu on the other hand does.
Try this:
Right click th10.exe, go to properties, click the compatability tab and check "Disable desktop composition" or something similar. Touhou games don't seem to like those transparency effects on some computers.
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Try this:
Right click th10.exe, go to properties, click the compatability tab and check "Disable desktop composition" or something similar. Touhou games don't seem to like those transparency effects on some computers.
I would recommend doing that to almost every game. SA and UFO don't need it on Windows 7 (or at least my machine).
Also, since it's related to this, does anyone else know what these options are?
SleepType = 1
BltPrepareTime = 4
AutoBltPrepareTime = 1
AlwaysBlt = 0
I have no idea what Blt is.
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Try this:
Right click th10.exe, go to properties, click the compatability tab and check "Disable desktop composition" or something similar. Touhou games don't seem to like those transparency effects on some computers.
Nope, no dice. No idea what's with this thing.
In other related news, it's really hard to dodge bullets when you're coughing up a storm. :derp:
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Yeah that would explain how you could die at PCB Stage 2. ;)
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AGABDGASGSDAGSFBHGHASGAVASHYNG. Just had a NDNB run for the tournament and after 30+ tries I get all the way to Ran (except broken border on Red & Blue Oni, but that's obvious). Then mom starts a vacuum cleaner near me and I somehow mess up the rhytm on Wizard Fox Thoughts of all damn things because I can't hear the explosions and I take a hit. And I said before that I'll do the cleaning myself. FUCK THIS SHIT!
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Bury in Lake is amusing.
I tried it in Lunatic for the first time today and I ended up timing it out perfectly because Patchy refused to get shot and I refused to put myself in danger.
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PCB Extra. With the exception of Chen (who I'm actually starting to crack now if my last run was any indication) I can get to Ran in very good shape. Now I know that Fox-Tanuki Youkai Laser is a straightforward (and therefore easy) card. Dodge stream, graze lasers. In fact, I caught it on my first go. Not on my laptop, so my records say I have still yet to do so; after how many times getting to Ran.
Why you ask?
BECAUSE I KEEP RUNNING CLEAN INTO THE SIDE OF A LASER WHEN I KNOW IT'S THERE!!! EVERY BLOODY TIME! >__________<
It's like I'm forever stuck there now and it's becoming stupid.
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I failed at Boundary of Humans and Youkai and lost my last life when the counter was at 01 =(
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Uggh i finally beat sa extra for the first time and I used marisaA to be different =/ The failure? Once the dialogue had finished my computer crashed and I couldn't save the replay! It was a pretty good run too T.T
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I'm trying to go through SA Lunatic with MarisaA as a challenge. I must be going through a masochistic phase or something. ::)
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I must be going through a masochistic phase or something. ::)
Oh, ye of such obliviousness. Come with me young padawan, let me show you the ways of the Masochist. At delicous 90fps
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Oh, ye of such obliviousness. Come with me young padawan, let me show you the ways of the Masochist. At delicous 90fps
With the Black Squares mod.
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That needs to happen.
Although 90FPS plus no-visible-hitbox is probably ten thousand times more doable.
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well i just plain suck at touhou today i guess
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With the Black Squares mod.
That needs to happen.
Although 90FPS plus no-visible-hitbox is probably ten thousand times more doable.
Pick the game, let's do it.
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EoSD No hitbox 90FPS
owait
Eh, any game but UFO, PoFV, GFW, DS, and StB (because I don't have vsync for those five.) Wait, IN and PoFV don't have no hitbox support anyways, right?
Wait, a mediocre hard mode player doing something alongside let's 1cc lunatic mode at 90FPS?
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EoSD No hitbox 90FPS
owait
Eh, any game but UFO, PoFV, GFW, DS, and StB (because I don't have vsync for those five.) Wait, IN and PoFV don't have no hitbox support anyways, right?
Unfortunately you'll have to use tools (re: CheatEngine) to speed up those games. I've been practicing 90fps UFO recently it's so fucking glorious my God
and it satisfies all my masochistic needs. Not a fan of EoSD personally, though, so I'd be pretty much willing to do any game but that :V
Wait, a mediocre hard mode player doing something alongside let's 1cc lunatic mode at 90FPS?
Hey man, no shame in aiming high.
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I die on a level 6 boss at 3:05. Next life, she dies at 1:17. God, do I ever hate PoFV's AI.
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A half-assed, half-asleep run of UFO hard with Sanae B. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=12238)
I slightly derped here and there (Nazrin's last spell, Kogasa, and the 4th stage)
What truly makes this replay notable are the two deaths on Ichirin's and Murasa's last spells. Ichirin's spell was ending, but I ran into one of Unzan's eye-lazors.... fucking slowdown that spell-ends have :ohdear:
Then on Murasa's last spell, I was doing really good, but at the last 5 seconds I started thinking of how awesomely, naturally I was managing that troublesome spell. Then the phrase hit me...
CHARISMA BREAK!~
I.... I.....
Just see it yourselves....
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Very wired right now, had a Marisa A run in PCB Extra (Haven't unlocked her for Phantasm yet). Was doing good against Shikigami "Chen" with my very last life. Ran was defeated during that Spell Card. Right after (literally) I captured that Spell Card, a stray bullet hits my hit box before I even get to see Spell Bonus on the screen -_-
Didn't save a replay because it was shameful (and I lost two lives in Princess Tenko. First life with no bombs, and second with two in stock.)
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Dude. The last time I played Extra, I did a 100% perfect stage run, but was beset by two deaths each on easy spellcards, culminating in a game over on Kokkuri-san's Contract.
"Easy spellcards," entails Wizard Fox Thoughts, Fox-Tanuki Youkai Laser, and Princess Tenko.
On the flip side, I capped Charming Seige, Unilateral Contract, Chen, and Ultimate Buddhist, which makes it a double failure because then >700M Extra runs shouldn't be that far off, but they are.
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PCB Lunatic.
Get to Yuyuko 3/1, needing 20-something point items for the 1000pt life.
Fail everything, die on the first wave of Resurrection Butterfly.
She's supposed to be my best final boss. What a joke of a run.
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hurr... IN lunatic is raping me now. I don't see how I'm going to 1cc this.
3 deaths before stage 4, 2 deaths to Marisa, screw up stage 5 somehow, die to stage 6 opener :V
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I got used to ReimuA for all my SA needs. So for this week's tournament, I'm finding MarisaA a bit hard to handle. I used to be a diehard MarisaB user.
What happened?!
So I take a shot a Koishi to see if I can manage to get a clear for the tourney. Youkai Polygraph. I got this. In the last few seconds, Marisa decides to go up and sucker-punch Koishi.
It didn't work.
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Gaaaah. Two 1DNB runs of Kanako in two days. First time I got hit on the last dodge needed to capture Source of Rains, this time just now I failed VoWG. :( I really, REALLY don't want to go through the pain of actively trying to perfect this stage. :<
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Shuusou Gyoku Extra.
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waaaah, almost had a perfect EoSD Hard run with MarisaB but died once at stage 4. And i was expecting to do it in one try :(
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Figured I'd play EoSD Normal since I don't have any scores up for that yet. Got to Sakuya with 7 or 8 lives, was down to 1 life by the end of Remilia, rage alt-f4'd. I hate this game's hitboxes.
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Haha, just ask I say to myself "Alright bomb as soon as there's a huge cluster" I lose a life with 3 bombs intact XD
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Deathbomb on Tewi, deathbomb on Reimu's Concentrate, deathbomb on Reisen's Idling Wave, deathbomb on Reisen's Mind Shaker... I mean, I know I'm trying to no death/deathbomb no focus, but even still easy mode shouldn't be giving me this much trouble :(.
EDIT - Done with that. Now for this (http://i55.tinypic.com/23hrols.jpg)
EDIT - And this (http://i51.tinypic.com/rvfy84.png) on an otherwise no-death run.
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I was trying for a SWR Lunatic again with Reimu, and made it up to Tenshi (with no lives left becaues of freakin Iku) and was doing decently well, then my anti-virus took over and said that my update was completed. So it minimized SWR to tell me that, and Tenshi was still fighting me. Lost a huge chunk of live and ultimately failed the run. Stupid anti-virus.
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I've discovered recently that I need WAY more practice on Cirno EoSD Normal. I very rarely capture her first spellcard. Every time I think I might do it, I die/panic and use a bomb.
Earlier I backed into a stray kunai that was just leaving the screen in Meiling Normal. I really need more practise.
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had like the worst IN hard run ever. Died with 4 bombs in stock, more than once :V
Barely cleared it with like 1 bomb left, and with lower score than my lunatic clear.
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I completely walled myself in SA Stage 4 after the second Orin fight. Stupid green balls and amulets =(
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I take back everything I ever said about Touhou being hard and unfair now that I've played Mushihimesama Futari. On Normal. lol 6cc
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So I'm using bombs to try to get through Yuugi's second nonspell on Lunatic as MarisaA. The red lasers catch me right after the invincibility ends three times because lolAlicebombistoofuckingshortandthin.
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Ugh, I'm doing so badly. I really need more sleep, and practice at fighting Patchouli on Reimu B. I hate her first spellcard; the last round of bullets always brutally murders me.
In EoSD, I usually continue towards the end of fighting Sakuya. If I'm at my best I continue at the beginning/middle of Remilia. And if I'm at my worst I continue at the end of Patchouli. Today I had to continue in Green Storm. I really fail Touhou today, probably because I just feel shitty in general.
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I hate UFO. I hate it. Stage 2 bosses should not have spell cards that give me trouble on normal when none of the other stage 2 bosses give me any trouble on lunatic. Screw SanaeB and her 1cc, I don't need you to clear Extra!
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Midnight Train?
After a while that became my easiest card :ohdear:
I have far more trouble with the Lunatic variant of Hello Forgotten World (?)
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I have far more trouble with the Lunatic variant of Hello Forgotten World (?)
Yeah, that's its name. Use friction to help place yourself between the bullets, it really makes the card a lot easier.
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Ah, okay?
It's been a really long time since I've seen Kogasa on Lunatic, though.
Not since I realized that 50% lag was a bad thing.
Non topic discussion:
I really hate the topic name.
But it provides clarity.
If I change it back to "Touhou Whining Thread: Cirno Edition,"
then would you all continue to record failures at playing Touhou, or would you whine about the non-gameplay points regarding the series like last time?
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Yeah, Night Train. It's not that the card is hard (I usually capture it, I just screw up sometimes), but that it seems more like a stage 4 boss card than a stage 2 one. The whole game feels like its hitboxes are fucked up too. Especially the bullets that have that glow around them, clipdeaths everywhere I tell you! Then there's all those UFOs just begging you to come grab them before they change colours or fly off the screen and then get you killed (or leave you with not enough lives later on T_T). And Murasa's survival card. And Byakuren, who just seems to love laughing at me as I burn 5-6 lives on her (see fucked up hitboxes)... I think the only good things I have to say about UFO are that the music is great and that Devil's Recitation helped me out with MS a bit (or maybe the other way around).
/rant
Non topic discussion:
I really hate the topic name.
But it provides clarity.
If I change it back to "Touhou Whining Thread: Cirno Edition,"
then would you all continue to record failures at playing Touhou, or would you whine about the non-gameplay points regarding the series like last time?
I would just put something about it in the first post so people don't get the wrong idea.
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The whole game feels like its hitboxes are fucked up too. Especially the bullets that have that glow around them, clipdeaths everywhere I tell you!
See SoEW :V
But yes, I feel that in the later games, some bullets are a bit screwed up. I especially feel this way with MoF. I've lost so many lives from not touching the bullets, it seems IMO. I mostly see see it from the pellet bullets. UFO is a little messed up, but at least SA is pretty tame.
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See SoEW :V
I especially feel this way with MoF. I've lost so many lives from not touching the bullets, it seems IMO. I mostly see see it from the pellet bullets.
That would explain why I get screwed over by the things that come out of the floor in extra.
And let's not forget the God's Rice Porridge bullets. I swear they have to the same size hitbox after they turn smaller.
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And let's not forget the God's Rice Porridge bullets. I swear they have to the same size hitbox after they turn smaller.
Which difficulty would that be? I've played that card on Easy/Normal so far and it seems pretty correct to me.
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That used to be my worst Kanako card.
Then it became Miracle of Otensui.
Then I learned how to work that card.
Then my worst card was Miya Something Shrine Hunting Ritual.
Kanako is a really weird fight for me.
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That was a little disappointing. :( Random fight with EX Alice, I 1DNB her. The death? Seventh phase because my finger slipped and I went left when I most definitely did not intend to. Ah well, if she wasn't on my one-mistake list before, she is now. Same with Ran actually - a couple hours ago I did a ND1B on her, with me bombing on reflex when I underestimated how freaking slow Reimu is in PCB and got trapped by Princess Tenko.
Guess today's not my day. Or at least almost-but-not-quite my day.
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90 FPS Flandre tries: survival gameover, QED gameover, QED gameover, QED gameover, survival gameover, QED gameover, royal flare gameover, death fairy gameover, fast stuff after Patchy gameover, forget how to even get anywhere and just die in the beginning and keep restarting ragequit
On the plus side, where I used to get to Cataprodiiciatic with 0/2, I now get there with 2/1 and promptly waste everything instead of capping/1B'ing it, that's assuming I get to Flandre of course.
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Tsk. Orin 1DNB, Small Demon's Revival. That was kind of saddening, because the reason I lost was because I got nervous and tried to circle around again. :(
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Urrr, looks like I'm doing this again... As with what happened last time with SA and me continuing for hours trying to beat the last stage for stage practice, looks like I gotta do that too with UFO (normal btw). Time for fraps to run the game at 30 fps or something similar to that. sigh...
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Damn you Marisa. Stupid Blazing Star shaking the screen and make me die at 00 seconds 3 times in a row.
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Damn you Marisa. Stupid Blazing Star shaking the screen and make me die at 00 seconds 3 times in a row.
Screen shakes are probably the worst thing one can ever encounter in an STG.
Among the reasons for my deaths at Chen.
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Ugh, Sikieiki. She's a ruiner. Entered the last stage of PoFV normal with Reimu, with 2 lives in stock. Seems pretty feasible I'll beat her right? Nope. On my first life, she took no damage. Second, down to her last, and third, down to her last. Those knives can really wall you in, even on normal. This is probably why I don't touch this game. (maybe I should've used Aya?)
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Ugh, Sikieiki. She's a ruiner. Entered the last stage of PoFV normal with Reimu, with 2 lives in stock. Seems pretty feasible I'll beat her right? Nope. On my first life, she took no damage. Second, down to her last, and third, down to her last. Those knives can really wall you in, even on normal. This is probably why I don't touch this game. (maybe I should've used Aya?)
Yeah, I can get incredibly close to beating her, but actually winning is something else. Medicine makes it easy mode, Aya makes it easy but still acceptable, and anyone else is damn-near impossible to win with. I kinda want a lunatic clear that isn't Aya/Medicine, but I don't think it's coming anytime soon.
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Besides Medicine and Aya (who are broken but by no means should that stop you), Shikieiki is probably the best character to use. Of course, to do that you have to play far longer than anyone who is not a fan of the game or a masochist would, so... ;^_^
EDIT: Also, while we're talking about rage, I hate everything. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCg7rB2swFQ&feature=feedlik)
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Besides Medicine and Aya (who are broken but by no means should that stop you), Shikieiki is probably the best character to use. Of course, to do that you have to play far longer than anyone who is not a fan of the game or a masochist would, so... ;^_^
Yeah, ZUN's logic is kinda backwards. The one character that would make for a reason to play the game is the one that takes the most time to unlock.
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Yeah, ZUN's logic is kinda backwards. The one character that would make for a reason to play the game is the one that takes the most time to unlock.
Kinda like what he did with DS then? To unlock Hatate you must beat Spoiler. So pretty much, beat the game and THEN you can play as her. What's the point of that exactly?
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Kinda like what he did with DS then? To unlock Hatate you must beat Spoiler. So pretty much, beat the game and THEN you can play as her. What's the point of that exactly?
Yeah, i dunno. Personally i didn't care about Hatate though so i didn't mind. Also. Couldn't you just beat a set amount of scenes to unlock spoiler and then use her? The game has a plentiful supply of trivial scenes so there shouldn't really be a problem in unlocking her for most people.
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Kinda like what he did with DS then? To unlock Hatate you must beat Spoiler. So pretty much, beat the game and THEN you can play as her. What's the point of that exactly?
So you can get some satisfaction by quickly plowing through most of the scenes, probably. Thing is, the few that aren't trivialized by Hatate's camera become ridiculously hard. Personally I never understood why Hatate even needs to exist, but that's just me.
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Maybe trying to timeout scarlet destiny wasn't a good idea after all.
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Died on Yuki's (Mystic Square) last phase right before she died - would have otherwise been a perfect fight against her, also died on Shinki's last phase. Other than that, had a good run, but those were some pretty horrible mistakes. Was about to submit a score, but I started thinking it was probably a little low for how well it went... And realized I had max starting lives D=. Ugh.
Round 2 - default lives, horrible run, one of the worst ever. Death trying to graze on stage 3, 2 deaths on Yuki's bullet spam, one or two stupid deaths on Yumeko, death on the rings before Yumeko (I mean really...), and 2 deaths on Shinki... I think that's all of them! On the plus side, I captured Shinki's crazy aimed curving lasers in both of those runs, which I can't say I've ever done before... Aside from that though, just awful T_T.
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UFO 90FPS
whyyyyyyy
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UFO 90FPS
whyyyyyyy
YES
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Got to Nue in Extra 90FPS
Game overed to first card~
It's more likely that I'll pull off a no death run in Normal Stage 6.
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Personally I never understood why Hatate even needs to exist, but that's just me.
Because ZUN had drawn a character and needed her for something. But there did come something good out of it. That Iku spell with the laser stars became pretty hard. Too bad everything else becomes so easy so you can't really call her a hard difficulty. If anything, she has a few funny lines in the translated spellcard comments.
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While doing a random Hard stage 6 practice run, on the second last card I die to the opening bubbles.
Yeah, I somehow died to the opening bubbles.
Then I proceed to do the rest of the card with no death/bomb/broken border, something I've only done once in the past out of the 50 or something runs I had on that card.
What kind of emotion should I be feeling about it?
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While doing a random Hard stage 6 practice run, on the second last card I die to the opening bubbles.
Yeah, I somehow died to the opening bubbles.
Then I proceed to do the rest of the card with no death/bomb/broken border, something I've only done once in the past out of the 50 or something runs I had on that card.
What kind of emotion should I be feeling about it?
I would feel satisfied. Though it may not have been a capture, it essentially is, if you ignore the bubbles. Be proud! I've capped it only once on hard. (since I don't play lunatic on that game yet because I don't know) ^^;
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Starting to learn my way around EoSD Extra:
One attempt, game over on Lavatein, 47m
Next attempt, game over on Maze of Love, 44m
What.
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Starting to learn my way around EoSD Extra:
One attempt, game over on Lavatein, 47m
Next attempt, game over on Maze of Love, 44m
What.
Lemme guess. On the first run you had full power at the end of Philosopher's Stone, and on the second run you didn't.
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Starting to learn my way around EoSD Extra:
One attempt, game over on Lavatein, 47m
Next attempt, game over on Maze of Love, 44m
What.
Stop trying to score when you're trying to learn the stage. It just gets you killed. Trust me, I know. :V
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I'm failing to record my success of UFO Stage 6 Normal No Deaths at 90FPS.
The frame rate drops to like 50 FPS whenever I try recording it. D:
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I cannot Nue for the life of me... I have no clue how so many people can call UFO the easiest extra. Ran took a while, but she was my first so that's a given, Mokou was done on my first try since beating Ran, Yukari took me like 2-3 attempts, Gengetsu took 2-3, Alice took 2, Suwako took about 3... Nue? I get there with 3 lives and the furthest in I've been is the third or fourth card. Hell, I can do better on Koishi and Flan, and I'm garbage at those two.
More derps? GFW, every moment of it. Whenever the bullets get too dense, I start to lose control of my hands and shoot when I mean to freeze, freeze when I need to bomb, or bomb when I mean to shoot. The brutality is non-ceasing.
Maybe I'll go for a SoEW extra clear. Can't be any worse than UFO!
EDIT: I take that back. Sigma is brutal and so is his stage.
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I seem to never 1CC Great Fairy War on...easy.
I don't know why, but the whole gameplay mechanic confuse me everytimes even if I understand it perfectly. :o
But heh, still a very fun game.
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Stop trying to score when you're trying to learn the stage. It just gets you killed. Trust me, I know. :V
That's funny, I game over at Laevateinn with 85 million and at Maze of Love with 65.
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Oh hey, a Touhou Failure video thread. >_>
I suppose this "I Suck at Touhou" playlist (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=E86B93E2A1523574) should count quite nicely. I'm really out of practice so no new videos for a month or two, but I really should try to get back into it...
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Hurrr... StB 6-6. I died while on my last shot. The camera was on the screen too and it didn't register fast enough that I took the picture. Darn it I hate this game. Why I play it I don't even...
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I failed Mishaguji-sama at the last moment =( (With MarisaB, at 4.00 power so no bug during the spellcard even though I did use it to actually get that far)
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Ugh, UFO run was horrible
3 Blue UFOs not destroyed, and clipped an amulet right in the beginning of Flying Fantastica
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Ugh. how the heck did I end up with only 2 lives in an all red ufo run.
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I just failed a MoF Lunatic run... With MarisaB...
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Hurrr... StB 6-6. I died while on my last shot. The camera was on the screen too and it didn't register fast enough that I took the picture. Darn it I hate this game. Why I play it I don't even...
Still can't do it. I swear, for that last picture, the bullets speed up. I'm VERY sure of this. I'm getting sick of playing that spell (and the rest of the game) now. Seriously is the hardest game ZUN ever made. *sigh*
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Hmm. I remember having trouble with that scene too, but I just tried it again and got it my second try. Are you making sure to keep up as close to Youmu as possible? That decreases the amount of pellet bullets in your way by quite a bit, plus you can snap a picture as soon as Aya's ready.
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My tactic is to be around 1/4 up from the bottom of the screen (maybe less when bullets are overwhelmingly dense) and take a picture when Youmu is nearly ready to speed back up time, since that's usually when I get hit because it decreases the random walls of bullets including the pellets that are super fast compared to others. What messes me up most is the whole slow-time thing, which totally messes up my understanding of Aya's incredibly fast speed except when charging.
I'll try that idea and see how I fare. Thanks!
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Someone please tell me why a player who has beaten almost all of the extras (+ Yukarin) can't so much as
? 1CC SA Normal
? 1CC IN Hard
? 5CC PCB Lunatic (PCB is my best game. Farthest is Res. Butterfly 80%)
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Someone please tell me why a player who has beaten almost all of the extras (+ Yukarin) can't so much as
? 1CC SA Normal
? 1CC IN Hard
? 5CC PCB Lunatic (PCB is my best game. Farthest is Res. Butterfly 80%)
If you can't 5CC PCB Lunatic, clearly you don't bomb enough. With continues allowed you can literally bomb through every single dangerous situation in the game and still have plenty resource leftover for resurrection butterfly.
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Someone please tell me why a player who has beaten almost all of the extras (+ Yukarin) can't so much as
? 1CC SA Normal
? 1CC IN Hard
? 5CC PCB Lunatic (PCB is my best game. Farthest is Res. Butterfly 80%)
It's like me! Except I'd probably have a 2cc or 3cc (maybe) of PCB Lunatic. Haven't really tried it lately.
But yeah, I've cleared Flandre, Ran, Yukari, and Suwako, but can't beat SA normal or UFO normal. Really shows how much the difficulty has changed doesn't it?
Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
If you can't 5CC PCB Lunatic, clearly you don't bomb enough. With continues allowed you can literally bomb through every single dangerous situation in the game and still have plenty resource leftover for resurrection butterfly.
Best way to do that is to play as Sakuya. She gets freaking 4 bombs per life. Also, try to grab the point items during Resurrection Butterfly because you may be able to snag another life.
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In an attempt to perfect my record...
EoSD lunatic attempt, this time with default lives.
I have never passed Scarlet Gensokyo without death, but this time I died right at the beginning of it :V
If I hadn't done those stupid things in stage 3 and 4...
(http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/1946/blahz.jpg)
Someone please tell me why a player who has beaten almost all of the extras (+ Yukarin) can't so much as
? 1CC SA Normal
? 1CC IN Hard
? 5CC PCB Lunatic (PCB is my best game. Farthest is Res. Butterfly 80%)
SA... this is actually quite hard, but still, just practice all the stages to death. The game gives you many lives.
IN Hard... same, memorize stage, figure out which cards to bomb, play Border Team, etc.
PCB Lunatic - just bomb everything that is hard. With 5 continues, you can bomb over 60 times (assuming PoCing enough).
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Tried IN Extra for the first time in a while, since I needed something to do.
Game over a little more than halfway into Hourai Doll. Would have made it if I wasn't so stupid on Possessed by Phoenix.
;_;
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Tried IN Extra for the first time in a while, since I needed something to do.
Game over a little more than halfway into Hourai Doll. Would have made it if I wasn't so stupid on Possessed by Phoenix.
;_;
I've done that sooo many times. You're not alone. For me, that was the easiest extra I first went into. But, I've watched many videos on Mokou's fight on youtube (including kefit's perfect a billion times) mostly because Mokou was my favorite character for the longest time. So yeah, it's kinda cheating the entire fight. ('m rambling again...)
Anyway, my failure, IN Reimu's Fantasy Heaven Last Word. Seriously, how the heck am I supposed to get it?
... Apparently, if I move randomly near the end, I'll win. (according to youtube vids) :ohdear:
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I decided to just stay still for a few seconds during Princess Tenko and Unilateral Contact. Oops, there goes that capture (and lives). Also had bombs available at those points =(
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Anyway, my failure, IN Reimu's Fantasy Heaven Last Word. Seriously, how the heck am I supposed to get it?
... Apparently, if I move randomly near the end, I'll win. (according to youtube vids) :ohdear:
Try using vsync, set the ReplaySlow option (or something like that) to about 20. Pick up a random replay of Fantasy Heaven and hold shift and watch it in glorious 1/3 speed.
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Did 150 runs against Earth in a Pot yesterday which gave me a headache. Yeah, no kidding. A headache. That spell was quite infuriating. I'm at least done with it now. It took 120 attempts before i worked out how to do it. Then additional 30 attempts to actually time it out. I had not expected that spell to be so hard.
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ITT: Hitboxes are bigger than bullets (http://i56.tinypic.com/33ccfhd.png)
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It's bad enough that not playing Touhou (and little shmups in general) led to my worst PCB Normal run in ages (game over on Yuyuko's 2nd NC) but getting all but laughed at in the end by the first person I've met IRL to recognize the game was like getting kicked in the teeth.
To keep it on topic: bombed Chen's finale, bombed during Stage 3's stage portion, completely went to hell on Stages 4 and 5, forgot to misdirect Youmu's boss opener (resulting in a death), and died right when Youmu appeared in Stage 6 (losing a bomb in the process). By this point I had long since given up. :fail:
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About to capture Mokou's first card. Gets impaled by a knife ._.
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? 1CC IN Hard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt5iJXi-A7s
tl;dr: the game gives you more bombs than most "main" touhou games do (for example, the last two fairies before Reisen, and more bombs on stage 4). I'd say, keep playing until you figure out which attacks consistently get you and plan your bombs. Bring enough resources and pay attention when you have bombs in stock (if you don't, you don't need to worry as much about wasting resources if you die)
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So I decided to finally try completing Extra mode (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=12713) in PoFV after unlocking it months ago.
First 4 stages - No problem :)
Tewi - Got lucky but what the hey? :3
Marisa - God I hate your lasers :V
(At this point I had earned 3 extra lives)
Yuka - Lost two lives stupidly ???
So I'm thinking "I got two lives for two stages with 1m seperating me from another life. I GOT THIS!!"
Reimu - Stupid Spirit death, :o
THEN I FROZE >=O
What the **** man?
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EoSD. You know the refreshing overlapping knives in Remilia's nonspell? I got cheeky and tried to get out of them faster by going up, not realising that they curved slightly. I ended up running right into one.
Another stupid mistake on that same attack was that a powerup was going close by, and I twitched to the side to try and get it, thus getting murdered again.
Cockiness = The bane of every Touhou player.
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I decided to clear FinalA for Malice team on normal. Somehow, I went in Reisen with 5/5 and went out with 1/3.
(The clear was successful still, at 0/0 though...)
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So I decided to finally try completing Extra mode (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=12713) in PoFV after unlocking it months ago.
First 4 stages - No problem :)
Tewi - Got lucky but what the hey? :3
Marisa - God I hate your lasers :V
(At this point I had earned 3 extra lives)
Yuka - Lost two lives stupidly ???
So I'm thinking "I got two lives for two stages with 1m seperating me from another life. I GOT THIS!!"
Reimu - Stupid Spirit death, :o
THEN I FROZE >=O
What the **** man?
sorry for being off-topic (the moment I realized that this wasn' the general help thread, I've already made this replay (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=12715) :p)
some thoughts:
- after a couple runs, I tried to focus on survival and to not try to raise my chain too fast (since then the replay would be even less helpful), and tried to keep my spirit gauge at lvl 3 at the start
- like normal runs, it's easy to regain spirit meter as long as you're chaining, and players who're used to the game's chaining and chain resetting can cancel enemy bosses more easily
- you didn't use the focus key much, which makes the spirits easier to destroy (though I don't know if you're not used with the red autodestruction bullets); dunno if you're also used to destroying fairies for cancelling normal bullets
- Sikieiki's timer started a bit over 120s, then as I died it went to around 45s, and then around 42s; at the third life on her, though, I thought about not chaining too much, because then it would give Sikieiki more bullets to chain, and then more EX black spiraling clouds for her to kill me with :D (be patient and calm, and just survive those 42s, and watch as any of Komachi's enemies seem to die shortly after the Shot Chance warning appears :D
- your replay desynchs on Yuka, dunno if it does so on Reimu's stage..
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Oh hey, I just threw my controller for the first time in ages.
UFO lunatic run. Everything's going... okay. I get to stage 4 Nue 2/0. I dodge the first wave easily, then die. So, I lose two lives for no apparent reason. I die twice more from being on tilt, rage quit and watch the replay. Watch it again. Still don't see anything. Screenshot it, look at the screenshot.
Throw my controller across the room.
LOOK AT THIS.
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i293/Arcengal/BULLSHIT.jpg)
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Oh hey, I just threw my controller for the first time in ages.
UFO lunatic run. Everything's going... okay. I get to stage 4 Nue 2/0. I dodge the first wave easily, then die. So, I lose two lives for no apparent reason. I die twice more from being on tilt, rage quit and watch the replay. Watch it again. Still don't see anything. Screenshot it, look at the screenshot.
Throw my controller across the room.
LOOK AT THIS.
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i293/Arcengal/BULLSHIT.jpg)
THIS. (but with Ichirin....)
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a
replay plz
i think i know what you "hit" though; just want to double check
(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/th/untit203.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=956&u=12803292)
opps
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LOOK AT THIS.
Not even Baity can see the bullet, that's how lamed you got. :ohdear:
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Frequent restarts messing up my performance too much. I can no longer make it past the pellet fairies in EoSD Extra without dying - I can now almost consistently no focus dodge through the bullet gaps on the second fairy wave after the red bullet fairies though, if that means anything.
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Hurr... how did I end up with only 2 lives in EoSD _normal_. Didn't I just 1cc lunatic a week ago?
I'm sure I can 1LC and get another 20mil+ if I just stop being stupid and derp everything.
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There's a reason I don't use Border Team in IN.
How the hell am I supposed to kill anything when Yukari and Reimu are too slow and their shots don't kill anything?
Scarlet Team and Netherworld Team is the way to go~
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There's a reason I don't use Border Team in IN.
How the hell am I supposed to kill anything when Yukari and Reimu are too slow and their shots don't kill anything?
Scarlet Team and Netherworld Team is the way to go~
If you want uber powered shot type, then Malice is the best. (Pressing focus rapidly with Marisa-Alice, aka the Malice cannon)
With that, you actually can finish off Mokou's survival card before the timer finishes.
Like this, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ0QBl6LCYM)
and this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN9jUGrZjok) Though this one has the spell from the previous, but it's not as epic. :V
And this is for the lol. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqiw8vWoYeU&feature=related) Eirin failed.
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sorry for being off-topic (the moment I realized that this wasn' the general help thread, I've already made this replay (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=12715) :p)
some thoughts:
...
- you didn't use the focus key much, which makes the spirits easier to destroy (though I don't know if you're not used with the red autodestruction bullets); dunno if you're also used to destroying fairies for cancelling normal bullets
- Sikieiki's timer started a bit over 120s, then as I died it went to around 45s, and then around 42s; at the third life on her, though, I thought about not chaining too much, because then it would give Sikieiki more bullets to chain, and then more EX black spiraling clouds for her to kill me with :D (be patient and calm, and just survive those 42s, and watch as any of Komachi's enemies seem to die shortly after the Shot Chance warning appears :D- your replay desynchs on Yuka, dunno if it does so on Reimu's stage..
Also sorry for being off-topic:
I seem to have forgotten that Komachi's Focus is an all encompassing(?) burst. :V
I'm actually not used to the bullets but I've encountered them a lot before when I did story mode with a character with too much Normal Speed for my taste (I'm guessing Aya or Marisa). The canceling normal bullets is something I'm working on. I had thought that I actually used that quality fairly well. :(
If anything, watching your replay showed me that I need to use the forcus key more in general...not just for canceling spirits.
Edit: Watching them also reminded me that I should be studying more about other people's techniques.
Italics : Tips for when I get there and handling story mode more easily (working on clearing all hard stories). :D
Back on topic if only for a bit: My initial run for the Weekly Touhou Tournament; why are you so fast Marisa? :ohdear:
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> UFO Extra 90FPS
> Clear Nue on third try.
> Accidentally not save replay
> D:
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> Accidentally not save replay
Gosh, you sure do that quite often.
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third try.
You should be able to easily do this again if this is the case.
[11:45] <LHCling> gosh he seems to accidentally not save his replays often
hi naut
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f5
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hey how's it goin' baity you doing good my man?
aww drake up in this bitch too hells yeuhhh
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Didn't farm Yuyuko's second last card on my graze run as much as I'd like, and I can't seem to not fuck up by stage 4 now. Something to do with shooting the boss a bit too much and finishing a spellcard early because I forget to look at the lifebar. That or finishing a card because I had to bomb on it instead of just taking the death to keep farming it (this is how I fucked up Yuyuko T_T).
Maybe this should this go in the tourney thread... Oh well, a failure's a failure.
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Waaaaah.
Remilia fight.
Perfect up to Scarlet Meister.
Capture Scarlet Meister.
Die three times on Scarlet Gensokyo.
Ah well, there's always next year when I may get another chance at that Remilia perfect. :fail:
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fml why did I die 3 times in NORMAL EoSD, and then proceed to fail Cirno's nonspell :V, and after that, die to stage 1 fairies.
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
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PCB Lunatic is screwing me... On stage 1/2. Gonna have to do this when I'm not half-asleep. I can dodge Letty's clusterfuck just fine, but then I don't even notice the huge-ass laser aimed straight at my face. Stage 1 deaths are unacceptable!
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-Failed a 1cc of PCB Normal on Stage 6, during Yuyuko's 2nd spellcard(no shock there, as I have yet to accomplish that particular feat...)
-Decided to keep playing anyway, for the practice, and since I was so close anyway.
-Besides a cap on a spell I'd already gotten in practice(Flowery Soul -Swallowtail Butterfly-), failed everything and had to continue once again, also as normal.
-What WASN'T normal, however, was Resurrection Butterfly -30% Reflowering-. I figured 'Hey, why not?", since even without the 1cc, capping that would be one HECK of a consolation prize.
-Proceed to die on the last wave of red butterflies. Cue mental headdesking. Why couldn't I just do the same thing I'd done for the past, what, 8 waves or however many there are? Guess my reflexes overeheated. Ah well. At least I got the clear...
(Note: This may or may not belong here, but I think it does simply due to how EASY it woulda been to save myself the anguish of barely missing that stupid spell card.)
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Reimu's Fantasy Heaven.
'nuff said. :V
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Ayayayayayayaya.
Some idiocy possessed me to tackle Evil Eye Sigma next. Some further idiocy possessed me to make the savestate at max rank, which makes dodging some attacks for Reimu C nearly impossible due to her lack of speed. Even so, after twenty minutes, I passed Evil Eye's bouncy balls for the first time ever, got past the fourth phase no sweat, and was three seconds away from beating the final phase when I failed to outrun one of those bullets that have hitboxes larger than the sprite.
;-;
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Gosh, you sure do that quite often.
Did that on my one and only PCB Phantasm clear after some 200 attempts.
Made it to Flan's And Then There Were None spellcard for the first time and actually got it down to roughly 20 seconds without bombing or dying. Still, so much DURP. I can't stand cards like Maze of Love and Patchouli is the biggest pain in the butt for an extra stage mid-boss. Progress is progress, though.
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(http://i53.tinypic.com/2hp7odh.jpg)
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
(lunatic BTW)
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Uuuuhhhhh, StB 7-7. The heck? I'm supposed to get a picture of Sakuya? Camera keeps freezing. I just did a timeout of that attack without getting a single shot of her. ???
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Uuuuhhhhh, StB 7-7. The heck? I'm supposed to get a picture of Sakuya? Camera keeps freezing. I just did a timeout of that attack without getting a single shot of her. ???
You know that red circle that appears around bosses and gives you a score bonus? You're supposed to shoot her when that comes up right after each bullet wave.
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EoSD Normal
Doing so well for the first three levels. Fail started at Stage 4 =(
Lost a life with 3 bombs intact...
Everything went down from there ;_;
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NO
EFF NO
<pic>
Pulling this from the second page, this is exactly what happened to me last week... with 7 seconds left on the timer instead.
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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2/1 IN Lunatic run. I'm way too out of practice for this, so a No Bombs run won't be happening for a very long time.
Edit: 1/0 with Nethercheese team. Yeah, I'm terrible at the game now. Capturing Rising World in a 1cc felt pretty nice though. Completely derping all sorts of stuff through both of those didn't.
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flanchan.zip
I think that's all I need to say.
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EoSD Normal
Doing so well for the first three levels. Fail started at Stage 4 =(
Lost a life with 3 bombs intact...
Everything went down from there ;_;
This is exactly the stage I'm going through now with Marisa. My most recent run, I played near-flawlessly up to Meiling, then proceeded to die on Rainbow Wind Chime and three-bomb Extreme Color Typhoon. And past that .... well, there's a reason I didn't bother saving the replay. :ohdear:
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Lousy goddamn stupid spirits outta nowhere. PoFV Extra continues to kick my ass.
That's really all there is to say on the matter.
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Tried a th07 ReimuB run.
Messed up Stage 4 Bosses and accidentally got Lunasa instead if Lyrica. And die 2 times.
Game Over at Resurrection Butterfly with 30 seconds left, with 3 bombs in stock.
I didn't play Touhou for the whole day.
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flanchan.zip
I think that's all I need to say.
Someone's got to capture In The Eye of Destruction sometime, right?
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Did a few attempts at IN No Bombs. Failed them all. That new Stage 3 route although better for scoring doesn't seem to work for me when I try it in an actual run.
Also, 1DNB Marisa + Last Spell Captured in Practice Mode. Too bad the death was the second midboss nonspell and not Asteroid Belt.
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Playing EoSD:
Stage 3, died to the streaming kunai in the beginning of the stage and crashed into a fairy ._.
I ragequit'd
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Completely screwed up that No Bombs run.
Mystia first boss card
Mystia final nonspell
Keine's midboss card
Not Ephemerality 137
Three Treasures
Legend of Gensokyo
Not Asteroid Belt
Midboss Marisa's second nonspell
Midboss Marisa's final spell
Credit feed the rest and end up No Bombs 5cc because I'm that damn bad at Eirin. Screwed up Reisen. Failed Hourai Elixir at 0 seconds left. That Apollo 13 capture doesn't even make up for all those fails.
I should probably practice more on Kaguya as it's been a while since I practiced her a lot.
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Okay, just because I haven't touched Subterranean Animism in a month does not mean I am allowed to die in the first stage, against Capture Web. It also does not mean I'm allowed to die in stage 2, right before midboss Parsee, during Grandpa Hanasaka, and Midnight Anathema Ritual. Nor against Yuugi's KO in Three Steps.
That run really sucked ;_;
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One playthrough of PoFV on Normal equals:
a) a sore thumb from firing so many shots
b) a sore fist punching the wall when Sikieiki refuses to die for 3 minutes after going to her last hp.
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UFO, Normal, Reimu B.
Beat midboss Ichirin with 0.66 lives, gained one and lost it due to carelessness.
Replay here http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=12841 (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=12841)
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It sucks that I seem to have forgotten how to do midboss Marisa's second nonspell.
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No Miss No Bomb Stage 4 on practice mode then failed Marisa's Last Spell.
Also, after that tried another No Bombs attempt, perfecting the first 3 stages last spells included, then died 4 times on stage 4, 3 times on stage 5, twice to Eirin's nonspell, then game overed on Kaguya's opener.
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Sometimes its hard to believe that there can possibly exist shmup players worse than me.
Okay. What do we have for today that's remarkable among countless instances of running into bullets?
Died to Murasa's first spell. Dying twice to Murasa's third spell in another run against her. Complete lack of ability to tackle Greatest Treasure, Byakurens 2nd non-spell and Shou's 1st and 2nd non-spells. Its depressing. Especially the thing about Shou's non-spells since my failure against those just indicate a reaction speed that's too slow.
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The only one of those that is somewhat shameful is Murasa's first spell, and dying twice to Murasa's third spell(assuming you bombed, which is not the case)
And if you want bad playing, just watch This Horrible No Bombs fail (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=12856). So many idiotic deaths in that replay.
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I normally don't use bombs in practice mode. I am suppsed to practice my dodging after all.
The things I mention that I suck at might not be so shameful but it still irritates me to no end that I don't seem to improve the slightest on them no matter how much practice I put into them.
Oh and I will give your failed run a watch.
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Having watched your replay, I noticed some very sad deaths that you have my deepest condolences for. Your performance might well match up with mine in UFO before in terms of being bad. But you do show plenty of potential for 1cc'ing IN without bombs so don't give up on that.
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(http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/8735/pewboom.jpg) (http://img847.imageshack.us/i/pewboom.jpg/)
:colonveeplusalpha:
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Welcome to the club! :D
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Yeah, that probably happens to everyone.
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argh (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=12866)
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That score... what were you trying to do?
Also, what's up with that cap rate? :V
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- Click on link
- Reimu B. Y'know, not mowing down the Spell Card in about 12-15 seconds? Also lack of (or heck, non-existent) stage practice so what do you do? Bomb. Duh (usuallycoughcough)
Also Naut, for future reference:
低速封印 - "Low Gear / Speed Seal(ed)" better known to us (silly) Westerners as "No Focus"
ノーベントラー - you should know what this one is :u
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Derp. Didn't notice there was a link. :D
Naut, you crazy fool, what do you think you are doing? No focus and no UFO...
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PCB Lunatic is just something else to me. I could 1cc up to Yuyuko easily if I wanted, but that says nothing other than "Borders everywhere, Sakuya has lots of bombs". Everything dense is a panicbomb to me, and whenever I try to not bomb through something it just gets me killed because I can't handle the micrododging. I mean goddamn, even Cirno and Letty make me jumpy, that's not supposed to happen on stage 1!
I need more practice =(.
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I used SakuyaB for PCB Lunatic because I actually like the shottype. Had nothing to do with the 4 bombs per life, but that still made it simpler to get a let's get it over with 1cc done
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Ragequitted PCB hard final stage -.- had one life left with 2 bombs till i stopped wanted a highscore past 955,xxx,xxx.
Was at 6xx,xxx,xxx when ragequitted no chance imo to beat it gotta try hard -.- if people stop distracting me while playing!
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I used SakuyaB for PCB Lunatic because I actually like the shottype. Had nothing to do with the 4 bombs per life, but that still made it simpler to get a let's get it over with 1cc done
I assume you've beaten the game with other characters as well?
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Reimu B. Y'know, not mowing down the Spell Card in about 12-15 seconds? Also lack of (or heck, non-existent) stage practice so what do you do? Bomb. Duh (usuallycoughcough)
I thought I did successfully bomb it tbh, but clearly I was mistaken. Hurts that I lost two other bombs by dying too early during stage 4 as well, meaning I wasted 4 plossible screw ups :( Almost made up for it with a perfect stage 5 stage portion <_<
Also, what's up with that cap rate? :V
:blush:
Also Naut, for future reference:
低速封印 - "Low Gear / Speed Seal(ed)" better known to us (silly) Westerners as "No Focus"
ノーベントラー - you should know what this one is :u
Ｋ・Ｇ uses "No slow," ノー低速 so that's what I used :V I didn't know what no UFO was so I just listed quantities.
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argh (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=12866)
I watched that replay, and I kept asking WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS!?
I would love to attempt a normal no UFO run, but I gotta get past Normal first :ohdear:
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I can't even breath anymore. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=12871)
Stage 1: Perfect
Stage 2: Good
Stage 3: Good
Stage 4: Ok
Stage 5: Ok (STAGE FAIRIES I"M GOING TO KILL YOUUOUOUOOOOOOOOOOOOO dodging skills were excellent, though)
Stage 6: :colonveeplusalpha:
Gameover at Hourai Barrage. Do you have any idea how stressing this is? This would've been my first Lunatic 1cc ever.
So what if I died/bombed/deathbombed everything Kaguya threw at me?....
Eh, I guess I can practice Kaguya a lil' bit more and those big fairies in stage 5 fucking bitches gonna get it next time.
I'm ashamed to say that this also could go in the accomplishment thread since I hardly have any real runs now-a-days in which I actually try.
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(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/th/untit204.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=959&u=12803292)
let's pretend that never happened
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Eosd lunatic: I had like 4 deaths on stage 4 >.> still each time i try i get a little bit farther each time. some of the deaths were silly too =/ gdi marisa speed always throws me off *Shadykoopz kicks bricks* everything else went pretty good though well 'cept for stage 5 but that's okay
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One playthrough of PoFV on Normal equals:
a) a sore thumb from firing so many shots
sorry to hear about b), but I've never gotten a) on PoFV.. but a) makes me remember Raiden 2 (when you try to keep the toothpaste laser strong and alive), Varth (without Autofire -- think for a moment that bombing or getting items so that you can point-blank enemies with autofire during invincibility isn't as safe without autofire, and the game becomes instantly considerably harder) and.. oh wait, you said thumb! (keyboard player here.. except for Raiden 2 :p)
Honorable mention to Dangun Feveron for the amount of quick movements you'll be doing if you play as the cat :p
in order to keep this post a bit on-topic, you don't have to keep firing too much, because it's not good for chaining (hitting enemies while a chain is running resets the chain hit counter -- not the chain itself). Charge meters aren't difficult to refill with proper bullet chaining (make use of activated spirits, too), so you'll often have lvl 2 charge shots to spend and raise your attack level up to 16. Practice chaining and chain resetting for summoning/countering bosses, and against Sikieiki, you may want to try not shooting too much, if you want to defend yourself (rather than try to end the match when you have enough life/charge meter lead), because then you'll give Sikieiki less bullets to make those gray bullet spawner clouds from.
Also, in order to make this post a bit more on-topic, I'm not playing Touhou consistently since months ... due to DotS and my rather unguided practicing, which didn't include a bullet-hitbox learning plan. I was (and still am) too frustrated with stage memorization being necessary for scoring/grazing (above average, since scoring in Touhou doesn't seem to have intermediate risks/rewards -- at least for greedy people), and didn't realize the importance of knowing bullet hitboxes as accurately as possible to minimize deaths until few days or weeks. Unfortunately, though, there's so far no screenshots detailing these, as well as no established or published scoring route (not in the sense of "get those medals without letting them fall or else your chain may reset; how you plan your medal collection is up to you", but "activate borders here/summon these UFOs in order to boost your point item value/cash on these blue items/hug those DNA-shooting fairies on SA stage 1/use invulnerability to point-blank graze spellcards in EoSD or stage 5 fairies"). Being bad at memorizing routes and deal with distractions would make me dislike Mars Matrix and Strikers 1945 II (whose gold bar pickup for maximum points is more difficult to do than in Gunbird 2, though the latter has coin chaining), so it's not like I treat the Touhou shmups different from other shmups, just I'm frustrated that I wanted to like as many scoring mechanics as possible (except for Ikaruga's, for example) for their exercises, but information (faqs, strategy threads, gameplan description, hard data save for Mefidex's shot/bomb strenghts, etc.) regarding the Touhou shmups is scarce/vague imho. (for comparison, the Battle Garegga strategy thread tells the reader how many points are awarded for a lot of enemies/boss parts if you destroy them with shots/bombs)
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Each of these three bullets has killed me at least once today out of 5 attempts... Koishi's fourth noncard. Seriously. This one noncard where you push like 1 button every 3 seconds.
Edit: 6 tries later, the top left one is now up to 4 deaths and a "wait this didn't kill me" all by itself.
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Okay, seriously. I want some critiquing going on this, if you all would be so kind. I almost had Reisen on stage 5 of my Normal run of IN, but I got careless. Seriously, what am I doing wrong here?
Replay: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=12884
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Okay, seriously. I want some critiquing going on this, if you all would be so kind. I almost had Reisen on stage 5 of my Normal run of IN, but I got careless. Seriously, what am I doing wrong here?
Replay: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=12884
General tips:
You can PoC without full power by focusing! Use that to your advantage.
Bomb proactively: when you think you might die, unfocus and bomb! It's also a good idea to plan bombs in specific areas to bypass annoying attacks and collect items.
With 7 starting lives, you can afford to bomb all the time if you just don't wait until *pichun* and then deathbomb.
It's also a good idea to Spell Practice and Stage Practice a lot.
Stage 1: okay, although Wriggle's 1st spell is just streaming, no need to move very much at all.
Stage 2: don't die to Mystia's nonspells. Her 2nd nonspell is much easier if you unfocus and kill familiars
Stage 3: You can make Keine's nonspells easier by staying under Keine unfocused and kill some familiars. Practice to survive her spell cards and plan which ones to bomb. If you can capture the her first card consistently, you can probably do all other cards.
Stage 4: You lost too many lives here. Memorize a path through the stage and bomb proactively on Marisa.
Stage 5: figure out when to PoC. Sometimes killing stuff is more important than getting a few more items. Oh, and one of those dense wave of fairies before Tewi has bullets that cancel out after some time (ie you don't have to bomb lol, just wait in a corner or something) Reisen's nonspells are really easy if you don't move around wildly and just stay at the bottom of the screen.
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General tips:
You can PoC without full power by focusing! Use that to your advantage.
Bomb proactively: when you think you might die, unfocus and bomb! It's also a good idea to plan bombs in specific areas to bypass annoying attacks and collect items.
With 7 starting lives, you can afford to bomb all the time if you just don't wait until *pichun* and then deathbomb.
It's also a good idea to Spell Practice and Stage Practice a lot.
Stage 4: You lost too many lives here. Memorize a path through the stage and bomb proactively on Marisa.
Stage 5: figure out when to PoC. Sometimes killing stuff is more important than getting a few more items. Oh, and one of those dense wave of fairies before Tewi has bullets that cancel out after some time (ie you don't have to bomb lol, just wait in a corner or something) Reisen's nonspells are really easy if you don't move around wildly and just stay at the bottom of the screen.
Really. Thanks for this. Gonna have to try that again right now.
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Okay, seriously. I want some critiquing going on this, if you all would be so kind. I almost had Reisen on stage 5 of my Normal run of IN, but I got careless. Seriously, what am I doing wrong here?
Replay: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=12884
I say, once you memorize where the fairies come from, don't be afraid of getting near them (just make sure you don't crash). By the time you get to midboss Wriggle, you should be at 81 power max. At boss Wriggle, your power should be around 107.
By destroying familiars, you shouldn't have to deal with a lot of bullets. i.e. Mystia's second non-spell during the boss fight.
Stage 3, during any of Keine's non-spells, destroy the familiars as fast as you can.
At her last Spell Card, Phantasmal Emperor, destroying the familiars makes it easier to dodge the arrowheads and lasers
Stage 4, I find it easier to deal with by memorizing where everything comes from.
If I recall correctly during my Youmu run, Marisa's star generating familiars can be destroyed easily. Try to destroy them as Reimu, though it'll be tricky getting past through the dense stars.
During the huge swarm of fairies, the red and blue rice bullets are aimed at your hitbox (I don't think all of them are, though) so use that to your advantage. Also, know when to go for the POC.
During Reisen's non-spells, calm down. Stay where you are for a bit and you'll see that the bullets will form a path for you to go through. Don't go everywhere.
Also, you seemed to be a bit jittery when playing. Calm down a bit.
Speaking of Boundary team, I died at Stage 3 Normal right after midboss Keine and right in the beginning of Stage 5 :derp:
Those 2 lives probably would've helped against Kaguya.
3/26 FAIL: EoSD Stage 5 Midboss - didn't finish Misdirection in time to get that 1-up with Marisa A and died too many times in Stage 3. I even lost a life at Perfect Freeze =(
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My last run through of PoFV with Marisa on normal was horrible. I hate fighting Sakuya in PoFV. Her knives are way too big. And she usually comes far enough along that the computer cheats. I mean 10 seconds into the fight and she already used a level 4 stock and I'm barely around 2 stocks. I lost two lives against her. Then came Komachi. She was decent enough to wait til I had a level 4 stock before she used hers. Lily showed up so I used mine, BUT GUESS WHAT!? She had another level 4 stock that she used immediately after I used mine and Lily dropped a G. So after I used another stock 4, she did it again! Needless to say I died. Then I beat her. Facing Yamaxamadadobedobedo with no extra lives. Did decently, until SUDDENLY FOUR BLACK HOLES SHOOTING THINGIES CONSTANTLY!
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Alright my first eosd lunatic 1cc could be now. No lives or bombs and scarlet gensokyo is left let's dies to bubbles shortly in. Oh well :V Ive got a question about rank btw. So by deathbombing how much does it lower rank as opposed to a normal death. Also does regular bombing do anything to rank? Are there other ways to keep rank down as well?
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Alright my first eosd lunatic 1cc could be now. No lives or bombs and scarlet gensokyo is left let's dies to bubbles shortly in. Oh well :V Ive got a question about rank btw. So by deathbombing how much does it lower rank as opposed to a normal death. Also does regular bombing do anything to rank? Are there other ways to keep rank down as well?
Deathbombing lowers the rank by the same amount as dying (which is 16). Bomb does not affect rank.
Scarlet Gensokyo is especially not affected by rank btw.
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I highly doubt they could spam level 4s that easily - a lot of those were probably from score summons. As I recall, the trick to PoFV is to keep your chains and spam level 2s - easier said than done though I suppose.
Deathbombing lowers the rank by the same amount as dying (which is 16). Bomb does not affect rank.
Scarlet Gensokyo is especially not affected by rank btw.
I would also like to say that you probably shouldn't bother with deathbombing in EoSD unless you're confident of your timing and death judgement. ie. only do it if you're certain you're going to die anyway, and just ram yourself into a bullet as you bomb (rather than waiting for it to hit you). It's pretty unlikely that you'll notice a situation like that AND react to it that quickly enough to plan a deathbomb, but it's possible so ehh.
If only it worked like LLS where you could just let items drop or timeout easy stuff to drop rank.
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it's said that timing spellcards out helps lower rank in EoSD (not sure about nonspells), it's worthy to timeout spells in EoSD for survival, even though this seems to make the game more difficult (while trying to timeout, not exactly against Patchouli, for some reason..).
Iirc, some spells that can be timed out without much problem are Cirno's, Meiling's and Remilia's (there's not much benefit from trying to lower rank against Rumia, since rank is said to be reset at the start of each stage), I'm not sure if score affects rank, or even if max power affects it.
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okay this is all useful info thanks guiz. however i dont know if i wanna timeout anything :ohdear: however i may not need to since ive been informed that marisaA is leagues better than marisaB and ive yet to try a run with marisaA yet. however i did try stage 2 since that's the highest i have in practice and i must say she's stronger than expected :V
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I went in stage 5 on Phantasm Romance with 3 lives. A bit worrying, but I still stand a decent chance provided that I use my resources smartly and Mars Frontier don't wall me too badly.
I then proceed to die four times in a row by trying to autocollect and ramming into bullets.
Wee.
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either timing out or otherwise failing to capture spells (by dying or bombing) works, my "advice" would be to just try to get enough resources to stages 5 and 6 and waste the bombs when you have them (you can play more comfortably when you're out of bombs, but dying with bombs in stock is restart-worthy -- inb4 more bullet hitboxes complaints from me). I used MarisaB since her bomb is strong enough to get rid of earlier spellcards (some of Remilia's latter ones are immune to it) while her shot is strong against bosses as well, but haven't tried MarisaA as much..
Make sure you've learned stage 3, 4 and 5's safespots and/or enemy attacks and placements (stage 4 enemies sometimes shoot away from you, and rows of them appear at certain locations of the screen while firing spread shots, so knowing their appearance placement is necessary. Some stage 5 fairies can be safespotted, just watch out for the fairies that come from the top of the screen who fire spread streams, they may be too close to you and get you by surprise if you don't expect them. If you don't know Sakuya's knives' hitboxes, bomb the spells/nonspells if you get cornered.)
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I used MarisaB since her bomb is strong enough to get rid of earlier spellcards (some of Remilia's latter ones are immune to it)
Only Red Magic / Scarlet Gensokyo are immune to bomb. Master Spark should smoke every other spell card (well, not Flandre :V)
however i may not need to since ive been informed that marisaA is leagues better than marisaB and ive yet to try a run with marisaA yet.
MarisaB allows you to bomb through many places easily. MarisaA has a more powerful attack, but the bomb is much much weaker unless you pointblank the bosses or something. This means you actually need to learn how to dodge certain attacks and certain parts of the stage instead of just bombing through.
I wouldn't recommend timing things out to lowering rank. If rank matters that much to your 1cc attempt, then you should just bomb more. I don't think bombs lowers rank per se (according to the wiki). Apparently, it helps in that if you capture a spell card, the rank rises substantially, so if you bomb it, you won't raise the rank, that's it.
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Well that's embarassing... Die while streaming bubbles, gg. (http://i51.tinypic.com/osqwr6.png)
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Once again, the hatred for Hourai Jewel has increased even more. What is the deal with this? I dunno. The only thing I understand is that the playtesters who thought that card was a good idea needs to use a meltdown fuel rod as a lolipop.
Damn. Kaguya sucks.
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Cheeeen! y u kill me? =(
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Kaguya's fight is awesome, except Hourai Jewel. Starting to like Eirin's fight a little more(but Omoikane makes it suck), but it still doesn't beat out Kaguya, Kanako, and Remilia.
On the subject of Hourai Jewel, not even going to try to milk that thing.
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It is mainly Hourai Jewel that makes me dislike her fight. I don't like LSI either but that at least has some elements of skill even if it constantly pushes me into sandwitches between Kaguya and the stars.
Brilliant Dragon Bullet and Buddhist Diamond is cool attacks though. And her opening non-spell and second non-spell is also very cool. If you took out Hourai Jewel she wouldn't be too bad but I still prefer Kanako and Utsuho over her. Remilia too but EoSD hitboxes ruins my fun. :(
Oh and I know Utsuho is easy. But she makes everything explode! What other Touhou boss can boast of having actual explosions? I can't remember any. And any PC-98 boss that might do that doesn't count since explosions are nothing without the graphics to support them.
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Btw. Enigma. What is your opinion on LSI?
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Every PC-98 boss goes Fat Man after being beaten lol
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got up to last boss in pcb on hard, before i quit due to low standards in performance.... -.-....
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Every PC-98 boss goes Fat Man after being beaten lol
Sure but its not very satisfying explosions.
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Btw. Enigma. What is your opinion on LSI?
2nd best spell in the fight if we don't count last spells
3rd best if we do
5th best if we count in her nonspells
Also, on the subject of failures, just put in 50 attempts on the card Youmu solo No Focus Pacifist and screwed up every single one of them, most of them in ways that shouldn't have even happened. I'm pretty consistent at it normally though.
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Aha. So what's your favorite one then?
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Man, what happened? I was certain that the Vsynch patch worked with Danmakufu, but now I'm seeing input lag worse than EoSD/PCB with the patch on. Also Phantasmagoria Trues was fun on standard mode, but as soon as I punch it up to advanced it shows all the reasons I disliked the bulk of Phantasm Romance; ass pull danmaku that no human could ever dodge without memorizing what's coming, and the dumb idea to not only bar access to stage 6 if you continue, but to not let that stage be playable in practice mode (which begs the question of why it's even there if it's non-selectable).
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Man, what happened? I was certain that the Vsynch patch worked with Danmakufu, but now I'm seeing input lag worse than EoSD/PCB with the patch on.
This. Vsync does pull a few wonders on danmakufu, but not much. On that stage with the blocks, there's insane frame drops that I can't get rid of. It seems that danmakufu can't handle a bunch of objects on screen at one time, though you would think that would have been sorted out by the designers since that's one of the reasons it exists. (besides creating stuff and patterns with less quantity)
Also Phantasmagoria Trues was fun on standard mode, but as soon as I punch it up to advanced it shows all the reasons I disliked the bulk of Phantasm Romance; ass pull danmaku that no human could ever dodge without memorizing what's coming, and the dumb idea to not only bar access to stage 6 if you continue, but to not let that stage be playable in practice mode (which begs the question of why it's even there if it's non-selectable).
Most likely a glitch with the designing. That's probably why it's not completed yet, and many other reasons I'm sure. Makes you wonder, since it's only ver. 0.6, if they'll implement an Extra stage in the future. Don't hold your horses though, I'm just guessing.
Also, when I went and peeked at the images used in this script, I was amazed at how many spell cards there were. All in an image too. That, and there isn't an extra, but a Phantasm! That sounds cool. (though extra and phantasm are nearly the same thing aren't they?) :wat:
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so im playing eosd lunatic and i make it to scarlet gensokyo with one extra life. After using that life and all my lives as soon as i see some bubbles i bolt straight to the corner of the screen orz Basically i died in an extremely dumb way. Also, do another run it was better than the first but then... I lose like 3 or 4 lives to patchy herself =/ such silly deaths too >.> Also in each of these runs one time i capped eternal meek and the other killing doll :V the rank was low for both though but still it was unexpected.
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>Marisa
Spam her Level 1 special on boss sprites. They die in about 3-4 shots provided the entire laser sinks into them. This is basically my strategy for Match Mode Hard runs, so... :V
And yeah, level 2-3 specials if the bullets start to get too dense.
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Most likely a glitch with the designing.
I'm wondering, does anybody who knows his danmakufu coding know if it is possible to remedy this by altering something in the code?
I think I already know how to allow continuous in stage 6 so that shouldn't be a problem anymore.
ass pull danmaku that no human could ever dodge without memorizing what's coming,
Play the game once, know that it's there, dodge it everytime after that? Not getting the complaint here. :shrug:
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I'm wondering, does anybody who knows his danmakufu coding know if it is possible to remedy this by altering something in the code?
I think I already know how to allow continuous in stage 6 so that shouldn't be a problem anymore.
Quite easily, provided all the creator is doing is disallowing it from being played, as opposed to just not having scripted the systems that allow it to be playable outside of the game continuity. Keep in mind that force unlocking things via editing the code in a game is pretty much the most spineless thing anybody could possibly do in this context.
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Bleh, managed to get it to start at stage 6 when you select the "play full game" option.
No idea how to activate it in stage practice. :/
Also, I wouldn't be doing this if it actually unlocked on it's own brah~
EDIT:
Oh.
Stage 6 suddenly unlocked itself for stage practice.
Apparently the trigger for unlocking it is 1cc'ing Unlimited mode.
(http://sae.tweek.us/static/images/emoticons/emot-psyduck.gif)
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Being the nib I am, I still play my Lunatics with max lives. I could have had a default equivalent on LLS just now, but I'm terrible at Reimu so I burned 4 lives there. Oh well, at least I now have a Marisa ending screenshot (http://i55.tinypic.com/jr7415.png).
UPDATE: In an attempt to get hardmode Marisa clear pics, I end up dying on stage 4 four times... By flying into enemies. 3 of which were the same enemies spawning from the same places. Yes, it was actually that retarded. Then I try again and die 5 times on Reimu, breaking my old record death count of 4 deaths on Reimu Lunatic and making it 5 deaths on Reimu Hard. God dammit T_T.
UPDATE 2: Adding onto my horrible runs, I now decide to just say fuck it to scoring and play for survival. I still blow the whole Reimu fight, die on rings of death with 4 lives in stock, find myself last life no bombs on Yuka by her last few phases, try to lower rank a bit by timing out so I can survive the sparks, survive the first spark, die on the second. Not that it would have saved me on the last phase, but ugh... Dammit Reimu, why so OP? I had an easier time with SoEW Marisa =(.
Update 3: Completely failed to supergraze Yuka's circle of bullets that closes in to the center thing, wasting 2 lives there. Made it to her second last phase with almost no resources for bomb-spam item farming, blah. Oh well, at least I cleared it, and Reimu was a 1 bomb no death this time... As it should be - Hard shouldn't give me more trouble than Lunatic, I don't care what game I'm playing, but definitely not in LLS where Hard is a complete joke.
Update 4: I forgot to screenshot my score. Even if it was a horrible run, I can't see myself doing this again for a long while, so I'm disappointed now =(.
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Keep in mind that force unlocking things via editing the code in a game is pretty much the most spineless thing anybody could possibly do in this context.
Not any different from using save-states in Mame. Just a means of more effective practice. Doesn't sound spineless at all.
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Not any different from using save-states in Mame. Just a means of more effective practice. Doesn't sound spineless at all.
Using save-states in mame is spineless. Not as bad as editing code to unlock stuff, but it's still spineless.
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Understandable argument if you're playing something that hasn't been ported.
But if something has been ported, then I see no reason to complain about someone loading a savestate at the beginning of a stage/boss of something since it would be the same as practice a stage/boss on a port if the port has a practice mode.
But savestates are a good thing for practice, even if you cannot do them on the Arcade. Maybe if arcade games had stage practice.
Oh, and I like being able to practice parts of games that I need to practice without having to go through an entire stage or even the whole game to get there. Probably why I love Spell Practice so much and think we also need nonspell and boss/midboss practice.
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Oh, and I like being able to practice parts of games that I need to practice without having to go through an entire stage or even the whole game to get there. Probably why I love Spell Practice so much and think we also need nonspell and boss/midboss practice.
This. Totally.
Using save-states in mame is spineless. Not as bad as editing code to unlock stuff, but it's still spineless.
I wonder why you have a grudge against efficient practice. :3
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To each his own I guess, but I'm with Zengeku and Enigma on this. Savestates in competitive runs is something else, but I see nothing wrong with practicing something you're bad at.
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It's like Naut didn't use Stage Practice. Man, what!
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Practicing stages in Touhou is one thing, since it allows you to, but using savestates in mame games is different, since the game was not designed to let you do it.
That said, I actually do hate spell practice so whatever. Last words are awesome, grinding all the game's spells is stupid.
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So Prometheus is a spineless disgrace to Dodonpachi players because he "cheated" his way to getting the western world record?
I fail to see the logic in your thinking. It's about executing things in full runs, in what way you gain the experience to do so during practice is irrelevant.
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Who said cheating, I said spineless
Much like one could say creditfeeding is spineless
Which it is
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Hurrr, gaps smaller than hitboxes. (http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/5188/23977449.jpg)
I wonder if this is even possible on min rank >_>. I should try not farming her second-last phase and see if I can actually not die on her last...
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Much like one could say creditfeeding is spineless
Which it is
It's only spineless if you do it then say you actually beat the game. creditfeeding is generally a necessary evil if you don't have access to practice mode or savestates since it allows you experience with later stages.
Always playing only 1 credit in the belief that you'll actually learn the game that way just makes sure you'll likely never learn the game. Of course, it is possible to learn a game like that, but it'll take way longer than it would with credit feeding. People have 1cc'd Gradius III Arcade after all, and that game doesn't allow you to continue and forces you back to the start if you run out of lives. Of course, Gradius series recovery pretty much forces restart if you die at a bad spot. And of course, Gradius III didn't do very well in the arcades, mainly due to the difficulty, which the 1 credit only thing probably contributed too since you had to not screw up just to get 1 shot at practicing a later bit, then if you screwed up, any chance to practice was over.
I still like Gradius III, even if I can only get to Stage 2, and it'd be neat to get better at it though. But the system pretty much makes any practice time I put in to be meaningless, while I could learn some tricks while credit feeding something
But creditfeeding= more productive practice, not creditfeeding= less practice. but the tradeoff(assuming arcade is) creditfeeding= less time per money spent usually, while not credit feeding= more time per money spent. It's a tradeoff thing.
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Guise wat do. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=12974)
(also, uploading as KounRyuSui brings me to an upload URL by... kakusei. =\)
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Practicing stages in Touhou is one thing, since it allows you to, but using savestates in mame games is different, since the game was not designed to let you do it.
IIrc, Prometheus has claimed to have spent 700 hours practicing for DDP, only practicing the parts that he needed to improve so he could improve in the most efficient way possible. How much would we need to multiply that with to reach the amount of hours it would take to gain the same excellent level of skill through playing the entire game over and over again?
Lets look at Touhou for a bit. The only game to have the ever convinient spell practice is IN. Which also happens to have a great deal of cards requires practice. I don't see the difference to play through Kaguya everytime to get another shot at something as trial n' error as Hourai Jewel or just grind it out to consistency in Spell Practice?
It also completely eliminates my main problem with Touhou. Boring stages. With spell practice I can practice only what I find necessary and not have to play through those slow-paced stages more than I have to when it is the bosses that are the main meat of the game.
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Guise wat do. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=12974)
(also, uploading as KounRyuSui brings me to an upload URL by... kakusei. =\)
Stage 1 - don't move around so much on Letty's first card, it's really unnecessary. It's an easy card anyway but...
Stage 2 - The last fairy wave before Chen can be dodged with a simple small tap left or right - I wouldn't try the all-the-way-around dodging on anything higher than normal, since it's usually a forced bomb at that point (though I find it easier to PoC that way on normal so yeah).
Stage 3 - I noticed you were moving a lot more than you needed to in Alice's midboss spell. Basically you can just sit at the bottom and watch the lasers - wherever the lasers are is where the blue bullets will be, you can just wait in one spot and move if a red bullet's coming at your face.
Stage 4 - You were close to an extend with 1 bomb and max lives - it would have been a better idea resource-wise to suicide before the extend and go to max lives 3 bombs. I also would have held off on that border at the start, since it doesn't do much for you there. Don't shoot the exploding things - max starting lives doesn't work in score runs anyway, you're just wasting bombs there right now. This goes without saying, but try not to pichuun 3 times between Lily and the end. The first two were because you didn't give yourself enough space, be a bit more careful with that. The last makes sense, but if you have trouble with that fairy normally I recommend bombing it. The death on Lunasa's opener... Uhh... Don't do that. First Prismriver spell is simple streaming. The yellow wave comes last, so make your dash for redirecting after that. Lyrica's second spell (assuming you go that route again) is all aimed. A small tap is all you need to dodge the bullets. I say practice the hell out of that stage.
Stage 5 - Everything in that stage other than the arrow-shaped bullets is aimed, so try not to move around so much in the first half, it just makes things harder on yourself. I recommend unfocused shooting on Youmu's first boss spell - there's no need to save your border for the nonspell. Watch this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ6PhaebfHU#t=3m15s) for a how-to. Alternatively, you could also do it my way and doge through the gap in the bullets (http://i53.tinypic.com/35mmtcw.png) on the second red/blue wave. Not sure what to tell you on the second spell's first death, but the second was reasonable I guess. Third spell is one of the easiest in the game if you stream slowly from left to right. You should never have to redirect it if done correctly, only look at the rice bullets.
Stage 6 - I felt bad for you on the double pichuns+bomb, dem nerves =(. Second nonspell is basically the same as Youmu's third spell but with nothing to hit you. Start left, stream right, (or vice versa) NDNBNE(ffort) it. Second spell? Ha, that one can go die in a fire. I honestly have no clue how to do it. You made me cringe on the third spell when you directed her stalker explosion thingy up, don't do that. I really have no clue how you didn't die after that >_>. Nonspell after that, blue is aimed, green is aimed away. Small taps man, you should NEVER have a gameover on that nonspell.
General tips: practice stages 4-6 more, don't be so jerky around aimed bullets, use your focus more when you're at the bottom unless it's an easy-peasy phase or you need to set up a border. If you're almost certain you can't capture something, break a border on it if the bullets are dense enough. Spell captures increase cherry item value, which is nice, but a break can also put you about 20-30k towards your next border if there's enough bullets (not to mention saving a bomb). Cherry max doesn't really mean much on a survival run either, so keeping a border doesn't help you at all in that respect - always break your border on nonspells. Of course if you're breaking a border near the end of a nonspell, you should probably wait a moment for more bullets to come onscreen before you finish it off so you can have your border ready for the next spell. Borders will save you man.
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<awesome tips>
Cool, I'll keep these in mind. Thanks!
e: YES~! (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=12980) (this belongs to the accomplishments thread though :v )
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e: YES~! (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=12980) (this belongs to the accomplishments thread though :v )
Congratz =D
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Koishi's polygraph...shudder, slippery hands and a tired demeanor = bleh! XD
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Why do I want to try for a No Bombs 1LC on IN? Someone please convince me that this is a terrible idea.
Edit: Hard, not Lunatic obviously. I have at least some sense.
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Umm...yeah I don't know what to say. It took my brain a second to process what happened. I don't know why I keep trying to play with Hatate cause this happens all the time :V
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http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=12982
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Well fuck. :colonveeplusalpha:
Overall, this was a serious attempt. First three stages went beautifully (except for a bomb here and there but otherwise it was perfect; heck, I even captured Exiled Doll and all but one of Nitori's spellcards), but the last three stages... ehhh... they didn't go as planned.
Derped twice (or three times. I can't remember) against Aya. Even though the fight sucked, I dodged her first spellcard stupendously (even though I knew I was going to die (and did, at the end)). Stage 5 was just a bombfest for some some points and also for survival (hurr durr). I also derped also a few times during Sanae due to the fact that all of her spellcards involve micrododging. Stage 6 was also a bomb fest, and Kanako finished me off at Source of Rains thanks to all the little derps here and there. Even though I did a perfect run of her a while back (excluding her opener and VoWG), I still got my faced owned by a goddess.
Why does this always happen to me? :qq:
I have currently gameovered at the following in Lunatic Mode: Scarlet Gensokyo with Reimu A, Hourai Barrage with Scarlet Team, Flying Fantastica with Reimu B, and now this.
I have currently 1cc'd all the (main) games in Normal Mode and beaten all the Extra/Phantasm stage bosses. I don't really feel like 1cc'ing Hard (which I haven't) since now it seems too easy for me, yet I'm at the border of finally 1cc'ing Lunatic Mode in most games (except for SA for obvious reasons :V).
Wat do?
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Why do I want to try for a No Bombs 1LC on IN? Someone please convince me that this is a terrible idea.
What? Its just a perfect run of the entire game? How could that be a bad idea? If you manage it, it would be cool.
However, for some reason i don't think you'll succeed so its a terrible idea. If you will remain stubborn then have a "good luck" from me.
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Derp'd on Stage 1 last spell card on normal....Not physically nor mentally ready to play Touhou, camping drains the life(16km of hills per day) out of me no Touhou for 3 days and rust had shown lol...
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Two attempts at the EoSD ReimuA challenge:
Attempt 1: Restart after panicbombing Colorful Rain.
Attempt 2: Ragequit after dying twice to red NDLs (and I'd just panicbombed Agni Shine, too)
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Gah... After I got my new glasses today...
Fairy Wars Extra and even some of my own creations such as this (http://i.imgur.com/19fQO.png) become hard to capture for some reason.
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WHHHHY (http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t270/FoxFanatic1995/qeeeeeed.png)
With ReimuA. As part of the challenge.
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I cried. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=13037)
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So I decide to go for PCB Lunatic, bombing through anything remotely difficult. I then manage to get clipdeath'd 4 times on the Prismrivers, ragequit because I know damn well I can't do stages 5/6 on one life.
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I picked up MoF after two months of not playing it. (No idea why.) Against Kanako, I either died or bombed all of her non-spells =(
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So I decided to play MoF on Hard, cause ya know I wasn't getting my ass handing to me enough on Normal. My first death came before leaf head. I managed to avoid dieing for the rest of the stage. My second death came after mid-boss Hina. But I hit 20k and got an extra life during the actual boss fight. Got another 1-up after Mid-boss Nitori and hit 40k during the actual fight. So I enter stage 4 with three lives. I game over before reaching Momiji.
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How duh hell did I screw up Yuyuko's Final Spell -.-.... And other failures...Although I 1cc, heck any one care to evaluate this for me?
Not sure what went wrong (in terms of scoring) but yea died unexpectedly at times (too many) is what I think just my eyes losing track of bullets looking at the life bar of boss's. Any advice would be nice too. Cheers!
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=13056
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I actually tried to play Imperishable Night with only my right hand a few days ago.
Yes, I failed horribly. :colonveeplusalpha:
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Argh literally 3 seconds away from defeating Koishi D:< ! Stupid subconscious panicking on the last part!
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I'm not sure if this should go in the accomplishments thread or here so I'm posting it here.
Random IN Extra run with Yuyuko & Youmu team, and was perfecting the entire stage until Honest Man's Death. I have no idea why I deathbombed that spell TWICE. I seemed to move, but my characters didn't. (using vsync) >:( I'm not sure why that happened. It all went downhill from there, but I finished with 2 lives, no bombs left. Only 7 spell captures. But a new highscore!
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Using save-states in mame is spineless. Not as bad as editing code to unlock stuff, but it's still spineless.
spine?less/ˈspīnlis/Adjective
1. Having no spine or backbone; invertebrate.
2. (of a person) Lacking resolution; weak and purposeless.
Going out of your way to evaluate your runs, find weaknesses and spend hours on bettering said weaknesses actively rather than just hoping for the best seems pretty much the opposite of this to me. :V If you find it more fun or rewarding to practice by playing full runs, good on you, but don't be calling people who want to focus on specific areas spineless. Especially in a chaining game like Dodonpachi, there's a lot of trial and error when trying to create a good chain - you're simply reducing the time between trials by using a state at the start of a stage or section. A lot of the time when learning, you'll be going for a chain in a certain stage and that only, and the rest of the game will be irrelevant for you until you've figured it out - you're wasting a huge amount of time trying to do this and going through 20 (or 40!) minutes of game to practice something that could be five seconds long.
The logic is pretty flawed, regardless; starting stage 2 of DOJ with a state in MAME would be regarded as 'spineless' while doing the exact same thing in the 360 port would not, despite no real differences in what's actually going on with the gameplay. I would argue that the only reason stage practice isn't available for the original versions is because it wouldn't really work in an arcade setting with people in line waiting for turns, hence why all the home ports, also official versions, include it (and the more modern ones also include boss practice, midboss practice and pretty much every conceivable set of options that could occur while playing).
In my opinion, if you've improved your game for a regular one credit run, you've improved your game, and you're better at it than the guy who hasn't. How you did it is pretty much irrelevant.
Hum, I wonder if we've had this argument before. :V
On a similar note, spell practice is fun times~ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2KxtV4hq3s)
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Decided to do a Ran pacifist, but died on all the easy stuff. Death on her first spell, death on SuppaTenko's Illusion as the card ended, death on Ultimate Buddhust, 2 deaths on Unilateral Contact with full bombs in stock. >=(
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...you're simply reducing the time between trials by using a state at the start of a stage or section...
And that's exactly the problem. Let's quote "spineless" again.
spine?less/ˈspīnlis/Adjective
1. Having no spine or backbone; invertebrate.
2. (of a person) Lacking resolution; weak and purposeless.
The crux of the issue here is the sheer number of extra hours required to practice the required portion, maybe as a ratio though that won't be my point of argument. Instead, let's look at the number of hours as an absolute (i.e. disregard the other value and take the initial at face value). You recall that scorerunner's stats and how many time he made it to 2-5 for DFK (or w/e it was; you showed "us" quite some time ago)? Yeah.
Of course, this is only half the debate. The other half consists of going on about DDP and how there are no ports, and leading it back into the original item; the dnh script. You can tell where this goes, so I'll save the trouble of spelling it out.
Hum, I wonder if we've had this argument before. :V
Don't think so, I think only ~*~the farm~*~ has had it so far.
To keep things more relevant; relying on the RNG to go in your favour for scoring has been so much fun. Fucking Eye Grazing, how d(ry
Previous experiences like with FW should've told me to avoid this but noooo I think I should just take a Darwin Award for not learning from my mistakes.
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UFO normal run = THIS GAME SUCKS!
On stage 4 on Murasa's timeout spell. No lives left, and when the timer said 00.10 seconds left, I died.
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Oh my Shi
nki (http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/729/th046.png)
:colonveeplusalpha:
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OMG Death at 3rd non-spell on EoSD Final Stage -.-....Screw you Remilia, not even a chance to pick up point items after a spell.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=13088
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So Phantasmagoria Trues apparently has a
True Last Boss
and it took me completely by surprise.
However, by the time it was almost dead I still had two lives left so I figured I could still 1cc easily.
...of course I then had to die three times within like 10 seconds and game over. :colonveeplusalpha:
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Was all set to do a perfect run of EoSD Extra.
And then I died to Lavatein.
And then I died to Kagome, Kagome.
And then I died to Maze of Love.
And then I died to Starbow Break.
And then I died to QED as it was exploding.
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I captured ExKogasa's first card for once, then proceeded to lose all my lives before reaching Nue. Had a decent MarisaB Normal run going as well, but it tanked around stage 4/5 with me failing the run on Byakuren's last card.
EDIT: Gameover on Yuyuko. On Normal. Wow, what the fuck...
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After creditfeeding my way to stage 4 UFO lunatic I felt ready for some 1cc action on normal with Marisa A.
It ended in a complete and utter failure, highlights include summoning rainbow ufos during stage 6 twice by mistake, deathbombing Byakurens opener and dying during the last 0.2 second on both Murasa and Shou's final cards.
UFO is so much fun!!!
-edit- I got the 1cc! This time I had like 6 lives, and fatal K.O'd Byakuren with a master spark as she was exploding.
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It's actually been about three weeks since then, but the biggest failure so far must have been one attempt at PCB Lunatic that ended prematurely in stage 4.
Everything up until that point had gone fine, but then I royally messed up against the fairies whose bullets disappear upon being shot down, the ones who attack some time after Lily. If I recall correctly, I died twice and the run ended at that point - not because I ran out of lives, but because my anger-management was also somewhat lacking, resulting in me smashing my laptop, causing the screen to break. I did shut the laptop because I didn't want to break the screen, but I didn't think far enough to comprehend that repeatedly smashing the laptop in its closed state isn't particularly good for the screen either.
Ever since then, I vowed to work on my anger-management (and also not to make mistakes as stupid as that one...)
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Okay, this stuff is getting irritating. Playing Touhouvania 2 has me getting killed all the time. Even Alice proved a challenge because hitbox where? I dunno, it changes depending on wether i'm flying or not.
And then I keep thinking, whut? This stuff is harder than even Megamari and for all the wrong reasons! Am I the only one who finds Megamari to be a much easier game? At least it has a million times better controls (which isn't surprising. Megaman also has a million times as good controls as Castlevania imo so its not surprising.
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UFO normal run = THIS GAME SUCKS!
On stage 4 on Murasa's timeout spell. No lives left, and when the timer said 00.10 seconds left, I died.
Yea I hate when things like that happen. EoSD Lunatic on stage 1, died right before all the bullets turned to score points. Yea the small delay after you beat the boss is when I died :(.
I usually have the tendency to run into bullets even if I would of been fine staying still.
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Yea I hate when things like that happen. EoSD Lunatic on stage 1, died right before all the bullets turned to score points. Yea the small delay after you beat the boss is when I died :(.
I usually have the tendency to run into bullets even if I would of been fine staying still.
That delay of bullets turning into point items actually got progressively worse. In EoSD, they're near instantaneous, to a degree, but in say MoF, the delay is huge. I mean, it's a cool effect ZUN, but it's really annoying.
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fck wtf that PCB normal run was so embarrassingly bad. I freaking died 10 times in stage 5-6. :colonveeplusalpha:
(needless to say, I had perfected the first 4 stages... all set to my first scoring run...)
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That delay of bullets turning into point items actually got progressively worse. In EoSD, they're near instantaneous, to a degree, but in say MoF, the delay is huge. I mean, it's a cool effect ZUN, but it's really annoying.
This. This, endlessly.
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Not exactly a failure on my part, but I was playing the Phantasm Romance Danmakufu script, using my USB keyboard (cuz my laptop keyboard sucks and doesn't let me move diagonally while holding down the Shot key >:\ ).
All was going well, until my keyboard died right in the middle of the third boss fight. Apparently, there was some weird crap going on with my computer, cuz my regular keyboard didn't work either. I could only sit there and watch as I lost all of those precious, hard-earned lives to relatively simple bullet patterns.
That messed up keyboard thing turned out to be some really nasty stuff going on with my computer........but no worries, it's all good now. ^.^
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That didn't just bloody happen again!!! >:(
Perfect run against Lunatic Shou. Except for VoPB in which I run into a fucking bullet!
Fantastic! Lets throw this into the bucket of 1DNB Shou runs. I'm afraid that i'll flood my apartment if I by accident kick that bucket over. Holy hell i've had many of those. Its becoming a quite annoying clich?.
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IaMP Hard run with Suika. Rage quit on Remilia. I continued once and didn't even make it to her last spell, made it to second to last instead. Grrr... Darn she's hard.
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IaMP Hard run with Suika. Rage quit on Remilia. I continued once and didn't even make it to her last spell, made it to second to last instead. Grrr... Darn she's hard.
Card 1 - stay on one side, highjump before she charges, hit her with a jB as you land
Card 2 - hold down, spear will miss, 2a and f2a vortex = yay
Card 3 - either 7 balls (easy), sucks in pink stuff (stay under Remi, jB her a few times), or wave along the ground (stay away, not much reaction time either)
Card 4 - either shoot while flying over (graze along the ground), fire from the side in air (graze first wave, highjump through the second and jb), fire from the ground (highjump behind, do whatever to her)
Card 5 - 33b her to death, pretty much the only decent grazing attack for that card.
This replay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBfABF-oUYE) should be fine if you want visuals, but it doesn't abuse the gungnir trick.
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Card 1 - stay on one side, highjump before she charges, hit her with a jB as you land
Card 2 - hold down, spear will miss, 2a and f2a vortex = yay
Card 3 - either 7 balls (easy), sucks in pink stuff (stay under Remi, jB her a few times), or wave along the ground (stay away, not much reaction time either)
Card 4 - either shoot while flying over (graze along the ground), fire from the side in air (graze first wave, highjump through the second and jb), fire from the ground (highjump behind, do whatever to her)
Card 5 - 33b her to death, pretty much the only decent grazing attack for that card.
This replay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBfABF-oUYE) should be fine if you want visuals, but it doesn't abuse the gungnir trick.
You can duck under the spear? I didn't know that.
Card 4 is where I died at. It seems that the giant balls are not blockable, but the smaller ones are. Makes it difficult when the big ones are in the front.
Also, yeah, I've seen his Suika and Alice replays many, many times. If I recall, he doesn't lose a life on the Suika run at all, but I can't remember if he died or not on the Alice run.
If I made it to the last card, I would've been good, but whatever. I'll have to practice as Suika more. She's a powerhouse.
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You can duck under the spear? I didn't know that.
Yes, but only with Suika because she has a very short crouching hitbox. Anyone else you have to jump over Remi with, or use some sort of invincibility frames (eg Yuyuko 6b, maybe bombing [not sure if there's enough frames] etc) - not to be confused with things like Marisa's sparks which only put you in a graze and block state. Spear will hit through it.
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I hereby declare UFO as non-canon in my opinion. No game that can deny you a 1cc after finishing S4 with full life stock, S5 with 5 or 6 remaining extends and still not be forgiving enough to accept shitty luck on S6 with that many resources is worth playing for me. On normal mode to boot, even though I can 1cc EoSD-MoF Hard by now. Oh, and also fuck you S6 Nue, fuck you Star Maelstrom and fuck you Air Scroll. And the fairies at the beginning - fuck you to hell.
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Tried PCB ReimuB some. Outside of a few 1DNBNBB runs of Extra, yet convincing me again that I'm probably not allowed to perfect the stage.
Also tried Lunatic with her. Failed almost everything because I pretty much never play this game due to me hating it so much. Game over on stage 6 spam.
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Enigma... you must realize that the only problem with PCB is its lack of challenge :V. Really though, you are probably about as good as I am so I can really not understand how you can game over on PCB.
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Me almost never playing the game means I obviously fail a lot of the spellcards.
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Yeah well. I'll let you off for this one. Its just PCB after all. Nobody plays that any more.
I do not get it. My capture rate for KKS since reinstalling the game is 0/27. Its a bloody stage 3 spell. I perfect basically any other stage 3 boss consistently yet i cannot seem to capture this spell. Why is it so impossible?!!
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For me, it's the pink on pink.
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I don't really know what it is for me. Its pink on pink. The screen is shaking. There is quite a lot of bullets and they always seem to do their best to block my path and suceeding at it.
I haven't been doing intense Byakuren practice for a long time but I have recently had my hands on Shou and I think its fairly safe for me to say that KKS is a harder spell than anything Byakuren or Shou has. Even LFO - At least that thing have something of a pattern. And that's a final spell.
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I hereby declare UFO as non-canon in my opinion. No game that can deny you a 1cc after finishing S4 with full life stock, S5 with 5 or 6 remaining extends and still not be forgiving enough to accept shitty luck on S6 with that many resources is worth playing for me. On normal mode to boot, even though I can 1cc EoSD-MoF Hard by now. Oh, and also fuck you S6 Nue, fuck you Star Maelstrom and fuck you Air Scroll. And the fairies at the beginning - fuck you to hell.
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http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=13201 (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=13201)
Did. Not. React. Argh! A fucking splitsecond. A motherfucking splitsecond earlier and that last bomb would be enough. I feel like punching a baby...argggh!!!
Fuck you, ZUN. And you S6 Nue fairy that decided to collision-kill me...I'll see you in hell. I'll give you a fun eternity.
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Don't give up on it. It's a damn stressful game until you clear it, for sure, but that just makes finally getting the 1cc all the more rewarding. While there are... various colourful opinions on UFO, it's a perfectly fair game - just a particularly difficult one. You're almost there, don't quit now. :V
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Reach Nue with 4/5ths of a life left.
Game over on first card.
How does that even happen.
>:(
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yuugi brings nightmares
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Guess what I found out just now!
UFOs......
CAN KILL YOU!
That's right people, watch in astounding horror as the very thing that gives you life....
Takes it from you in the blink of an eye. :ohdear:
link:http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=13275
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Guess what I found out just now!
UFOs......
CAN KILL YOU!
That's right people, watch in astounding horror as the very thing that gives you life....
Takes it from you in the blink of an eye. :ohdear:
link:http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=13275
Not all that surprising when you realize that everything that moves in these games that isn't a collectible item is OUT TO KILL YOU!!! :V (well, ALMOST everything.....)
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(well, ALMOST everything.....)
Yeah, in Mystic Square Sara shoots AWAY from you... Even on Lunatic. She almost makes Cirno look like a genius =p.
But aside from that, I can't really think of non-collectibles that aren't out to kill you... Maybe your own shots I guess <_<.
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Well granted, everything that isnt a red or blue square is gonna kill you, but I never figured ufo's could. It just blew my mind when it happened.
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everything that isnt a red or blue square is gonna kill you
> "Barrage X from a Wandering Star"
???
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what I meant by that was point/power items.
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> "Barrage X from a Wandering Star"
???
That's a pink square!
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I died 4 times on MoF using MarisaB on my let's try out MarisaB run.
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Foggy London Dolls
PFTTTTTTTTT
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Gameover by Desire Sign.
AAAAAAA
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So... anyone succeeded at capturing the Lunatic version of that Score Desire card? Oh and you get entirely too little time on capturing Zombie Loli's first card.
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So... anyone succeeded at capturing the Lunatic version of that Score Desire card?
Yes? Her non-cards are worse.
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ichirin, Yuugi, Nitori, Keine, I take back everything I've ever said about you, every complaint I've ever made about you. At least you don't heal yourself to 150% health as your attacks go on.
I swear if the Extra boss has that healing gimmick in the finished game I'm just gonna cry.
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I seem to have a habit of crashing backwards into bullets.
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Yes? Her non-cards are worse.
I've been able to pull those off with pretty nicely and those are sometimes really cool. But she keeps healing herself at that final card before I manage to take her out.
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I seem to have a habit of crashing backwards into bullets.
I don't do that, nope. Not at all. >_>
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I swear if the Extra boss has that healing gimmick in the finished game I'm just gonna cry.
I don't think there is a reason to fear that. Its probably a skill exclusive to the Stage 3 boss. At least the healing is not a gimmick that will kill you as both of the spells that utilizes it aren't too bad if you settle with just timing them out.
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Foggy London Dolls
PFTTTTTTTTT
That card can go die in a fire. Seriously, I despise looking at it on anything above Easy, haha. Usually where my first life loss goes in my Normal runs.
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I've yet to capture Chalk White Russian Dolls =C
Also, why is Stygian Riverside easier to capture than Prism Concerto? (Or, at least IMO)
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Yesterday, I tried an IaMP normal run with Sakuya, and I failed it on Suika's bouncing fireball spell, whatever it was called. Tried today, same spot. The spell that really killed my lives were the Yukari lasers. Seriously, why is it so hard to manuever through those, and why is she always grazing and blocking? It's kinda hard to deliver a hit when you can't. >:(
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At least normal doesn't have the retarded [practically] unavoidable triple-bottom lasers. That said, if you're having that much trouble with it, you're probably not doing it right. Just remember that the AI is like a complete beginner who has really good button-mashing reflextes, so your best bet is not care about getting hit and just bust their shit up like so (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09mqWVCY2S0). You won't get anywhere if you keep trying to dodge every hit and just tap them with a bullet when you can... Especially not on unblockable, ungrazable attacks like the lasers, or screen flooders like the fireballs.
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I went for some pacifist fun in the TD trial and... is it just me being terribad or is Nether Sign "Endless Evening Cherry Blossoms" last 15 seconds really hard to dodge on lunatic. It's like it got a timeout phase or something.
Another thing I can't seem to get past without shooting is the kunai orbs in stage 2. The stages are not designed to be pacified this time around I guess.
Nevermind it's clearly not that hard.
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I went for some pacifist fun in the TD trial and... is it just me being terribad or is Nether Sign "Endless Evening Cherry Blossoms" last 15 seconds really hard to dodge on lunatic. It's like it got a timeout phase or something.
It appears that the card does indeed get harder over time. How much it means aside from some more bullets to dodge I can't really say for sure right now since I am pretty much disabled from doing anything right now due to illness. I died twice to the stage if that's an indicator.
The combined efforts of fevor and nasty headache is really limiting. It would be an interesting challenge to undertake when I get better.
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It appears that the card does indeed get harder over time. How much it means aside from some more bullets to dodge I can't really say for sure right now since I am pretty much disabled from doing anything right now due to illness. I died twice to the stage if that's an indicator.
The combined efforts of fevor and nasty headache is really limiting. It would be an interesting challenge to undertake when I get better.
Ouch, get well soon. I'm sure you could do it, it's probably not harder than Peerless Wind God.
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Ouch, get well soon. I'm sure you could do it, it's probably not harder than Peerless Wind God.
Thank you :) Being sick really sucks. However, I believe this might be more difficult than Peerless Wind God. Peerless Wind God doesn't last very long and the amount of directions stuff can come from is greater.
We shall see once my illness is over. Things tend to get easier when you can think and breathe unhindered.
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Peerless Wind God strat works for timing it out, I just derped it though.
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Peerless Wind God strat works for timing it out, I just derped it though.
corner hugging?
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Yeah, got it a few seconds from timeout and died. Haven't gotten close since.
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No deathbombing really sucks. On that matter, I should really start bombing before dying if 1cc's are what I only wanted.
Went in Yoshika with 2/2 and failed AGAIN becasue I died twice in a row without bombing, leaving me with insufficient resources. Sigh.
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SA Hard, right after midboss Yuugi, I had 3 lives. Right before boss fight, I'm down to my last life =C
Q: How did I lose that last life?
A: "Hey look, a laser aimed at my hitbox. Why don't I just sit there?"
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FFFF...
I've taken to occasionally trying to perfect Sakuya - suiciding to lower rank of course. Just now I made it to Killing Doll, cleared her lifebar, and died during the smoke.
:fail:
I know I could do this if I really wanted to, but frankly I...don't really want to. Nor do I have the time lately to put effort into it.
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I was close to perfecting the TD demo in Lunatic with Marisa, but I panic-bombed right after midboss Kyouko since some fairies sneaked up on me.
I even did an almost perfect Yoshika run. :fail:
(messed up on her last nonspell and I stopped trying at her last spellcard)
edit: I even captured Yoshika's first spellcard ;-;
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Wow. Yuyuko's third spell is really damn dense. Every attempt has me get it down to 15 seconds and then suddenly I am covered by bullets. I'm sure its possible... but damn. Maybe I should just wait for August with this one...
EDIT: Dammit stupid Ghost. Just 6 more seconds. Got really close there.
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Timing out Unlimited 214C Works is getting the better of me, too. Admittedly, this is my first serious work with non-IN lunatic, and I am certainly not at y'all's level, but dammit, this is the only thing between me and Youmu leaving Hakugyokurou without raising arms against her own countrywomen. And that nameless shinrei. Well, at least it is helping me get some sorely-needed skill. Now if only I would stop crashing headfirst into sakura BEFORE THE ACTUAL TIMEOUT PHASE AAAAGH.
Of course, as soon as I get out of the afterlife, good girl mode is gonna turn right off. >:D
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Hmm... Using Youmu eh? Haven't thought of that. It should make things easier to pacify because her hitbox is smaller. I'm not that desperate yet.
Oh and for the record, PWG ain't got shit on this timeout phase mang.
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Reply no. 999~ closing imminent, honh?
I was rather glad to have opened the ninth iteration, I suppose.
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Go open the tenth.