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Works either ways, in-universe or in franchise terms.
For me it's the Industrialisation and/or the Modernisation of Gensokyo because it'd not look as good, it'd lose some of it's charm and I feel it'd cause Touhou to a lot of Spaceships and Mecha's unfortunately it feels like it's somewhat heading in that direction due to the faith gathering of the Moriya Shrine and the Kappas in general.
The appearance of the Dragon God because simply I dislike high powered God-like characters that could pretty much destroy everything, im not really a fan of dragons and well if it does appear the incident would have to be Gensokyo Changing.
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A Hollywood Touhou made to please western audiences. The amount of facepalm I can't even imagine if there's ever a trailer or announcement of it somewhere. :ohdear:
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The end of it. But nothing lasts forever, so yeah :V
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"Touhou 14: exclusively for the PS3!"
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Canon sex-scenes. Because just no.
"Touhou 14: exclusively for the PS3!"
How about Touhou "14: exclusively for Kinect!"?
A Hollywood Touhou made to please western audiences. The amount of facepalm I can't even imagine if there's ever a trailer or announcement of it somewhere. :ohdear:
Click here. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,521.msg241601.html#msg241601) You can thank (or curse) me later. Actually, just read the whole thread. Trust me, it is worth it.
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Mima or Sakuya to return :V
I don't want any character to canonically die. And I don't mean Kaguya die where they can resurrect, or Yuyuko ghost return. I mean...ACTUALLY die and never come back in any way, shape, or form because ZUN wants to GUARANTEE that they won't return. Not even as a spirit or anything.
Gouki doesn't count. Characters that exists today :V
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"Touhou 14: exclusively for the PS3!"
This
Also, the end of Touhou would be pretty sad. I haven't stayed that long in this fandom, but I've stayed long enough to grow some close ties with it.
In terms of canon stuff... Well, I guess this would apply to most of you, but it would be sad if you learned that your favorite Touhou character will never appear in any future games or official printworks at all - this means not even being mentioned or appearing in game endings (dunno how that would happen, but if it does happen to Yuyuko, in my case, I'd feel quite angry and sad at the same time).
Any character to canonically die.
Lol but if a random 1st stage boss in future games die like Orange from LLS that would be... interesting
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Canon sex-scenes
:3
Yeah, I mean, we survived without canon ones for years and I doubt anyone would like to see this in ZUN-art, anyways :derp:
Aside from this... I am not sure what I should think about cameos from other series. I know there have been Touhou cameos elsewhere so that ~might~ be fair, but I don't really like the thought of having 3rd-parties appear, instead of the vague references which are plentily fine for me.
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I'd like to not see Touhou get a complete closure to the point where you can't do fanworks anymore. Like rocks fall and everyone dies or Gensokyo ceasing to exist.
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I don't think anything that I would fear would end up ever happening. Things like a decisive end game, characters dying, complete modernization, losing that 'oriental' charm; that just isn't how Touhou works and I doubt ZUN would ever take such a direction.
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I don't want Ten Desires to happen again.
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A story plot involving another group going all 'WISE FWOM YOUR GWAVE' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypGxYM3MHqY&t=20s). UFO and TD did that plenty enough, methinks!
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Yoshika Zombie Apocalypse.
Non-zun musical score, third-party.
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Recurring characters in non-spinoff titles in stages past the first.
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Love of the romantic variety.
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Love of the romantic variety.
Pretty much this.
I'm cool with just about anything else, but if yuri becomes canon then fuck it, I quit.
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Pretty much this.
I'm cool with just about anything else, but if yuri becomes canon then fuck it, I quit.
Is there much in the way of other options, though? :V
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I don't want Ten Desires to happen again.
http://www.error1355.com/img/haters.jpg
For me, if a game was made that prominently featured males. If it was just one boss or something as a token male, I wouldn't care, but an entire story based around men just isn't what I've come to associate with Touhou. >_>
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I don't want my Touhous to grow up. I want my lolis to be lolis forever! Also don't want to see Youmu dropped from future games. It'd be a shame to see her go after the treatment she got with her TD shot type. Nevermind that it's technically the best shot, it's awkward as hell and she deserves better :(.
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I don't want my Touhous to grow up. I want my lolis to be lolis forever!
This. And
I don't want Ten Desires to happen again.
This.
And of course, the inclusion of male characters. Rinnosuke doesn't count since he doesn't make in-game appearances and Unzan doesn't count either because it's hilarious and because i think of him more as Ichirin's weapon than an actual boss.
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All of a sudden I feel shunned for preferring seeing the chars with some age on them. :(
Well, except for the ones that are obviously kid-sized like Suwako and Flandre, anyway.
(Or is "growing up" here basically meaning anything beyond mid-20s?)
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Anything beyond puberty is intolerable!
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This will definitely need some context if quoted in the future, but yes, I agree, I agree.
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Is there much in the way of other options, though? :V
Pond, please; pan-asexuality plus parthenogenic reproduction; pretty rad, really.
Regarding previous point, relating particularly Reimu's prime pal's paternal parentage: maternal is mysteriously absent.
Awww yeeeah worked in a mima is marisamom meme into a double aliteration involving spontaneous generation of touhous from single parents thus explaining why there never seems to be a character with both parents mentioned.
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Don't want Marisa becoming a youkai, as a good deal of interpretations claim.
If that one theory about Reimu and Marisa's appearance in Seihou is supposed to be what happens to them I'll be a bit disappointed.
The point she wasn't born with superior power already and that her abilities are something that I think is implied she worked for is something I rather admire. The entire point someone known simply as an Ordinary Magician is keeping ground against youkai and other types of supernatural beings (albeit because of the spellcard rules you could say) is a concept I rather enjoy. I guess it comes from my pro-humanism beliefs and just seeing her become a youkai because her humanity is what limits her capabilities in magic just seems... I'unno, disappointing. I guess I'm just against how it seems like youkai are made out to be this group that is all around better than humanity in every way.
Though then again I guess you could say the whole point Vivit, a human creation, was capable of defeating both her in her supposed youkai form and Reimu back to back without the ability to use magic kinda fixes that. Buuut Seihou isn't exactly a form of canon to be using.
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I want ten desires to happen again BV
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it becoming something like warhammer 40k serious grimdark would be a bit of a turn off if it happened.
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CtC becomes canon
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I never really considered this kind of question.
I guess I wouldn't want the direction of the series to change; I don't want STGs replaced as the 'main thing'. Having fighting games and PoFV/PoDD-style games as spinoffs is fine but nothing more.
I guess I'm just against how it seems like youkai are made out to be this group that is all around better than humanity in every way.
That is kind of the case, though. If a human gets all-powerful, they're still human, but their power makes them feared/shunned and they 'become' youkai.
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Touhou goes 3D with modern graphic quality.
I am super fine with Touhou interface. In fact, I really love it. For me, Touhou provides traditional values, eye-pleasing interface, oriental feel, and simple beauty.
That being said, I don't want to see the day it changes.
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The point she wasn't born with superior power already and that her abilities are something that I think is implied she worked for is something I rather admire. The entire point someone known simply as an Ordinary Magician is keeping ground against youkai and other types of supernatural beings (albeit because of the spellcard rules you could say) is a concept I rather enjoy. I guess it comes from my pro-humanism beliefs and just seeing her become a youkai because her humanity is what limits her capabilities in magic just seems... I'unno, disappointing. I guess I'm just against how it seems like youkai are made out to be this group that is all around better than humanity in every way.
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be
Well, I suppose this is the same as someone who really loves robotics to the point of starting to replace their own body with mechanical parts. Once you reach a certain point, you're more machine than human. I suppose the same is of magicians canonly(is this even a word?), they use so much magic to maintain their bodies that they simply being more like Youkai. So, I suppose it could be possible to have massive magical power without being a youkai, but that seems to be not the usual.
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A male character. Kidding I have no issue with this. I guess I'm not enough of a fan to appreciate an all female cast.
A story plot involving another group going all 'WISE FWOM YOUR GWAVE' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypGxYM3MHqY&t=20s). UFO and TD did that plenty enough, methinks!
This. However, I would really prefer a game that introduces no new character.
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No Ten Desires situation. I hated it. As much as I'm getting a taste for the game again, I don't want a game with an easy Easy and Normal Mode, a Difficult for All the Wrong Reasons Extra Stage (Harder Extra Stage with lower potential resources), and an obscenely hard Lunatic mode that makes the graphing for y=x3x look flatter than paper in terms of difficulty curve.
No more characters made to reference media (Sakuya is the only exception because Dio Brando is the best character from JJBA ever).
No more "OH I'M A BOSS' SHUT-IN OF A YOUNGER SIBLING THAT'S EXPONENTIALLY MORE POWERFUL THAN THEM" Extra Stages. I liked EoSD Extra and SA Extra but if I see one more of those situations, I'm going to stand on top of my house and scream "Junya Oota is running out of ideas".
No more bullets made specifically to blend in with the background and kill your resources without you noticing that they're there (I.E. MS Stage 2's random rocks out of nowhere that are the same color as the stars racing by in the background).
A character getting killed off, especially a staple character in the series like Reimu or Marisa.
A character brought back only to appease the fans.
Story of Eastern Wonderland gameplay.
Characters having intimate (Not necessarily sexual) relationships, like the MariAri or MariPatchy pairs that the fans have been egging on. Need I mention the EllYuuka pair from Touhou Mother?
I'm sick of games that highly involve dead things as a primary. In SA you went down to hell, in UFO you went to Makai, which has dead spirits, not to mention an undead Buddhist black mage, and TD has you spending the entire game in the netherworld region, going from Yuyuko Saigyouji (FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU) to Myouren Temple (KYOUKOOOOOOOOOO) to a graveyard with spirits and zombies, a Hermit whose main attacks are based on the last stage's boss which was a zombie, to a burial palace with an awoken spirit that was resting for 1500 years, which had a ghost midboss hahahahahahaha this is so original, to an undead prince who can hear multiple voices, blah blah blah, Shoutoku reference, blah blah blah.
Christianity and/or Judaism brought into Touhou. I liked the wide variety of characters due to a highly varying set of religions with lots of ideas to be made. Jehovah-inspired will simply be a dumb idea to be honest because they only have the idea of one supreme god, which to be honest is a boring idea to put in a game.
Forced tutorial gameplay.
Having to play through the game with every character to unlock the spells for practice for everybody.
Gameplay totals (Stages 1-6), in means of "I'm not timing out a thing", to be more than 40 minutes.
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obscenely hard Lunatic mode
You disappoint me kid. :V Quit playing that game and focus your efforts on what truly matters. When you are done, you will know the truth because right now, you are blind to it. ;)
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No more "OH I'M A BOSS' SHUT-IN OF A YOUNGER SIBLING THAT'S EXPONENTIALLY MORE POWERFUL THAN THEM" Extra Stages. I liked EoSD Extra and SA Extra but if I see one more of those situations, I'm going to stand on top of my house and scream "Junya Oota is running out of ideas".
In all his games, this happened twice - once ten years ago - and if this happened again, ZUN would be "out of ideas"?
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A little off the topic, but I would appreciate a low stage boss returning as the Extra boss like Rika and Alice did. I feel like it gives the character more of a depth than a random unrelated Extra boss showing up.
So I guess I'd not want to see many more irrelevant EX bosses.
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In all his games, this happened twice - once ten years ago - and if this happened again, ZUN would be "out of ideas"?
And I doubt Koishi is even considered a "shut-in". More like an outsider that not many know exists in general, but she never stays in one spot :V
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Christianity and/or Judaism brought into Touhou.
Christianity has been in Touhou since it first began. :V
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Christianity and/or Judaism brought into Touhou. I liked the wide variety of characters due to a highly varying set of religions with lots of ideas to be made. Jehovah-inspired will simply be a dumb idea to be honest because they only have the idea of one supreme god, which to be honest is a boring idea to put in a game.
This is totally going to be one of the last two bosses in the next touhou game. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Joan)
(and the ex-boss will be Sariel)
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A little off the topic, but I would appreciate a low stage boss returning as the Extra boss like Rika and Alice did. I feel like it gives the character more of a depth than a random unrelated Extra boss showing up.
So I guess I'd not want to see many more irrelevant EX bosses.
I actually wanted more irrelevant bosses >_>;
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Christianity and/or Judaism brought into Touhou. I liked the wide variety of characters due to a highly varying set of religions with lots of ideas to be made. Jehovah-inspired will simply be a dumb idea to be honest because they only have the idea of one supreme god, which to be honest is a boring idea to put in a game.
Uhh? I don't recall Islam being introduced already.
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Uhh? I don't recall Islam being introduced already.
Nor has there been Hinduism.
No more "OH I'M A BOSS' SHUT-IN OF A YOUNGER SIBLING THAT'S EXPONENTIALLY MORE POWERFUL THAN THEM" Extra Stages. I liked EoSD Extra and SA Extra but if I see one more of those situations, I'm going to stand on top of my house and scream "Junya Oota is running out of ideas".
See Tengukami's response
Christianity and/or Judaism brought into Touhou. I liked the wide variety of characters due to a highly varying set of religions with lots of ideas to be made. Jehovah-inspired will simply be a dumb idea to be honest because they only have the idea of one supreme god, which to be honest is a boring idea to put in a game.
Lol Sariel. Anyways, if Christianity is ever introduced into Touhou, I doubt it will blend in well with all the other religions...
Forced tutorial gameplay.
Having to play through the game with every character to unlock the spells for practice for everybody.
I'll second these.
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Christianity and/or Judaism brought into Touhou. I liked the wide variety of characters due to a highly varying set of religions with lots of ideas to be made. Jehovah-inspired will simply be a dumb idea to be honest because they only have the idea of one supreme god, which to be honest is a boring idea to put in a game.
If that were to happen it'd p.much end up with characters like this (http://weknowmemes.com/2012/05/captain-america-logic/)
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Was lurking around in other forums I go to and I read something about ZUN wanting to drop Reimu and making Sanae the new main character. Almost certain that this isn't true, but yeah, I don't want this to happen.
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Was lurking around in other forums I go to and I read something about ZUN wanting to drop Reimu and making Sanae the new main character. Almost certain that this isn't true, but yeah, I don't want this to happen.
Yes, and McDonalds is going to replace Ronald with Grimace as their mascot.
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Somebody other than ZUN doing the art. Even Fairy Wars feels wrong :[
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I'm pretty tired of the current format in general.
6 + 1 stages is getting boring. I mean HRtP had an actual decision. Nonlinear gameplay is often over-hyped in my opinion but just a little adds a really good feeling of control.
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Well, it is kind of a shmup. The main way you would get around "non-linearity" is just developing more stages or making permutations. And even then, it just sort of reduces to one path anyways. GFW splits it into groups of three slightly balanced ones, but you end up with a short game, and many of the paths are just ignored (it doesn't help that the game was underwhelming). I get what you mean, but what exactly do you hope to gain from stage control in a shmup, and how would you suggest formatting the game?
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Imperishable Night had that fork in Stage 5, too. That did make things interesting, and more forks at different stages would be pretty cool. But I'm not exactly sure how a "non-linear" shmup would work. 6 + 1 stages is pretty much the standard. Complaining about it is a lot like "man, shooting at enemies at the end of every stage is soooo predictable".
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I don't think it's a very good criticism of the game. I just see the same thing having been done for 12 games and wonder if there isn't something else. How would you make touhou game non-linear? Not sure, It would have to be figured out. In any case, wishing against 6+1 stage game is probably futile so it isn't something I NEVER want to see happen. It's just a thought.
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I think you'll just end up choosing the "best" route every time while the others get kind of overlooked. Of course, ZUN kind of has a long standing tradition of making the stage 4 boss different depending on which character you use, and GFW (a fairly recent game) has a bunch of paths to choose from, so I'm not sure what more you could ask for unless you really mean you just want 5 stages instead of 6 or something like that.
e: Then there's DS and StB which aren't very linear at all.
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6 + 1 stages is getting boring. I mean HRtP had an actual decision. Nonlinear gameplay is often over-hyped in my opinion but just a little adds a really good feeling of control
So what you're saying is that you would want Touhou to go the Darius route?
(http://hardcoregaming101.net/darius/dgaiden-map.png)
I'm actually kind of curious about a Touhou game that has 7 different final bosses. :V
Or I guess you could have something like Deathsmiles where you can choose what order and difficulty you play the first 6 stages in.
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So what you're saying is that you would want Touhou to go the Darius route?
His complaint seems to be that a) there are 6 + 1 stages, and b) the game path is "linear". Having other choices I guess doesn't change the linear nature, but I personally think it makes it more interesting.
Then there's DS and StB which aren't very linear at all.
That's very true. Or they're less linear anyway.
The more I think about it, the less the criticism makes sense. Even RPGs like Fallout 3 do have an end point you arrive at, but in the area of shmups, pretty much every single one of them is going to be "linear". Again, it's like complaining about having to kill stage bosses. It's ... sorta how it works?
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I'm actually kind of curious about a Touhou game that has 7 different final bosses. :V
I think it would be something similar to CtC because who would come up with 28 original characters for a 7 stage game :I
I would like to see it, even if people would only play one route. Shakes things up, right?
(Or what if the stages were tests in different fields like streaming, misdirection, straight-out dodging, memorization, etc etc etc)
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The more I think about it, the less the criticism makes sense.
You're right. Even giving a choice between stages doesn't change the "linearity" of the game. Pretty much every game out there, regardless of genre, is linear in some way just because there's a goal that you play towards. The only exceptions I could think of would be "sandbox" games, or something like Sim-City.
(On top of that I think saying "the same thing has been done for twelve games" is ignoring the considerable amount of experimenting and innovation that ZUN already does. Again, if you look at the "decimal" games there's a good deal of deviation from typical shmup gameplay there. Asking for nonlinearity in particular is kind of ambiguous, especially when you say you don't know how it should be done yourself.)
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Which isn't to say ZUN doesn't repeat himself. Take his game plots for example. I think he could stand to shake things up a bit more there. He gives his characters so much backstory and detail, it'd be great if the whole reason why our girls go out to solve incidents branched out a little beyond "youkai are acting up again, Reimu goes to investigate". On the other hand, I like Touhou for the story, so people who like it most of all for the gameplay probably won't give a toss about this.
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You're right. Even giving a choice between stages doesn't change the "linearity" of the game. Pretty much every game out there, regardless of genre, is linear in some way just because there's a goal that you play towards. The only exceptions I could think of would be "sandbox" games, or something like Sim-City.
The true ending for any and all Sim City maps is for the city to be obliterated by a torrent of (un)natural disasters. It is only a matter of if the player is willing to take it there.
There has to be some degree of linearity to a game in order for it to have a sensible plot. If a game tried to implement a nonlinear storyline, either:
{A} choices result in different results every time, which would be silly and frustrating if trying to set off a particular event (i.e. A -> B, C, or D; how does one trigger C without relying on luck or multiple playthroughs?)
{B} choices don't really have any effect, and the event sequence is generated randomly (in which case, there isn't a real point to having choices at all)
The only ways I can currently see a nonlinear game are ones that have little to no story element at all. Sandbox games are a great example.
Then there's DS and StB which aren't very linear at all.
DS and StB don't really have plots, they're literally just about tengus taking pictures :V
tl;dr
Linearity is just another word for having a logical sequence of events. It's kinda hard to create a game that is both nonlinear and has a reasonable plot sequence.
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Makai, which has dead spirits
Actually it doesn't. Makai is the demon world. It's not any sort of afterlife, it's just where a lot of demons live. And not the Hell kind of demons, either.
Also all that and no mention of Perfect Cherry Blossom and its four-and-a-half dead people and the Netherworld, or Bhava-Agra as the closest thing Gensokyo has to Heaven, or Highly Responsive to Prayers where you can run around in Jigoku/the-Hell-that's-actually-being-used for a while? For shame.
...on the subject of the topic at hand, I'd honestly just be depressed if characters actually perma-died in the story. However the hell that would happen, considering combat is non-lethal. I dunno.
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Was lurking around in other forums I go to and I read something about ZUN wanting to drop Reimu and making Sanae the new main character. Almost certain that this isn't true, but yeah, I don't want this to happen.
Someone kill me now
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Well... I'm really not a Canon purist, so anything that happens to the Touhou series, it's story or characters is absolutely fine for me.
Excepting one thing: The games getting easier and easier because of the series' fame! When I play a game, I expect nothing less than a challenge that will take me at least a full month to best.
But it seems that, in Touhou's case, this already happened. God, Ten Desires is a cakewalk: the very first run I gave when the full version came out was an 1cc clear, and took me just around 40 tries until I beat Mamizou. If Touhou 14 is easier than TD, then I'll be forced to abandon the canon series and play only Danmakufu scripts...
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Well... I'm really not a Canon purist, so anything that happens to the Touhou series, it's story or characters is absolutely fine for me.
Excepting one thing: The games getting easier and easier because of the series' fame! When I play a game, I expect nothing less than a challenge that will take me at least a full month to best
But it seems that, in Touhou's case, this already happened. God, Ten Desires is a cakewalk: the very first run I gave when the full version came out was an 1cc clear, and took me just around 40 tries until I beat Mamizou. If Touhou 14 is easier than TD, then I'll be forced to abandon the canon series and play only Danmakufu scripts...
40 is a low number of attempts on an Extra clear?
Because I'm sitting at 15 times and the last was a clear D:
Granted, Koishi took like, 60, and Nue took over 90 tries, but still.
Actually, hell. Flandre and Mokou each are over 120 attempts and they're the only Extras I've not beaten.
That's another thing I don't want happening!
Me being unable to clear what people call the easiest EX bosses! :V
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Er, no, they're not the easiest. But Flandre sure is the most fun. :V
If a TD easy mode Touhou 14 happens I might just blow up.
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Something else occured that I'd hate to see.
Direct Sequel, going the way of Pokemon.
Touhou Shinreibyou ~ Ten Desires 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Something else occured that I'd hate to see.
Direct Sequel, going the way of Pokemon.
Touhou Shinreibyou ~ Ten Desires 2: Electric Boogaloo
It's funny, I opened up a topic a while ago that talked about this.
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Touhou: The live-action movie.
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Touhou: The live-action movie.
Seriously? I'd watch the hell out of that.
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Hell no. Have you seen child actors? I've never seen a good one.
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Who says they'd have to be child actors? There could be so much potential there - it could be action, or comedy, or a psychological thriller, or whatever else.
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Logic dictates it. :V
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The acting ability of Reimu's armpits is irrelevant.
I'd watch it.
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Excepting one thing: The games getting easier and easier
Are you sure you should be using plural there?
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The acting ability of Reimu's armpits is irrelevant.
I'd watch it.
Not if she's over 30 years old though. So here's the idea, have the child actors, then make some japanese ladies do some voice-overs. That'll work.
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Touhou: The live-action movie.
If it was directed by ZUN I would watch it out of curiosity, but the outcomes are never guaranteed... (and they say curiosity can kill a cat)
Edit: Dunno if that would work... child actors speaking in lady-like voices.
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I have the sneaking suspicion that one thing I never want to happen could just happen, No new Touhou game in 2012!
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Touhou: The live-action movie.
It depends if these people are in it or not
http://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=1528097 (http://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=1528097)
http://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=1473628 (http://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=1473628)
http://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=743576 (http://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=743576)
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Your links are broken.
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Ominous narrator: In a world not so different from our own ...
(Camera pans over misty mountain tops.)
Ominous narrator: Where fantasy - and reality - live side-by-side ...
(River flowing through a forest, brief glimpse of Nitori running over the water.)
Ominous narrator: Something is about to happen ... that could change the fate of the world as we know it.
(Whoosh! Reimu is at her shrine, practicing some martial arts moves. Matrix-style 360? stillshot a must here.)
Ominous narrator: This summer ... there's going to be ...
(Marisa struts up to the shrine, smirking)
Ominous narrator: ... an unprecedented serious affair.
Marisa: Are you ready to rock?
(O Fortuna (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leUTSH_wKos) begins to play.)
Ominous narrator: Megan Fox.
(Reimu gripping Cirno by the collar, slapping her): Just tell me where the money is!
Cirno (sobbing): I already spent it!
Ominous narrator: Heather Graham.
(Marisa has Chen in a chokehold): What's new, pussycat?
Ominous narrator: Kirsten Dunst.
(Alice, running in slow motion towards the camera, then an explosion erupts behind her.)
Ominous narrator: and Scarlet Johansson.
(Yukari smirking, in a martial arts pose, facing down Reimu): Come get some, bitch.
(Yukari and Reimu charge at each other, screen blacks out before they impact)
Ominous narrator: Michael Bay presents ...
GENSOKYO: BATTLE FOR THE INFINITY OF AGES
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If it's Michael Bay, I'd watch it no matter what.
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Oh dear, Michael Bay Touhou live-action film? Do not want! D:
How do they graze when it runs at 23.976 24 FPS and when every other thing ends up exploding ridiculously?
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How do they graze when it runs at 23.976 24 FPS and when every other thing ends up exploding ridiculously?
I imagine they'd do that trick where they speed up the recording framerate as bullets are passing by, so when played back, they appear to suddenly slow down.
That, or CGI. That's like, the default answer to anything Michael Bay wants to do.
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Ominous narrator: Michael Bay presents ...
GENSOKYO: BATTLE FOR THE INFINITY OF AGES
At least the visuals will be over the top. I just hope he'll have some variety with the effects and not have them be different-colored explosions. BREAKING NEWS: Bioware Announces "Touhou" Game
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That's kind of limiting. You'd have to resort to SA and MoF in order to get that many bombs.
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<Insert Tengukami's awesome Touhou trailer here>
Magnificent. There should be something like MoTK gatherings in all major cities just to watch the movie :3
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That's kind of limiting. You'd have to resort to SA and MoF in order to get that many bombs.
I do not see the problem.
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Ominous narrator: Michael Bay presents ...
GENSOKYO: BATTLE FOR THE INFINITY OF AGES
Does it turn out all the youkai are actually aliens?
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Touhou: The live-action movie.
Hell no. Have you seen child actors? I've never seen a good one.
I'd go either the Beowulf or Tintin CGI animation style myself. Portraying the spell cards just right might keep the current 3D fad alive just a little longer.
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Does it turn out all the youkai are actually aliens?
I'm not even a fan of the Turtles and wanna smack him for that one. He should not touch franchises he can't respect.
But I'm also not really too much of a movie watcher so I might not be a good judge. Either way, keep him AWAY from our Touhous.
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Men appearing in the game's story.I think they would kill the game's mood.
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Men appearing in the game's story.I think they would kill the game's mood.
On a related note, what would your responses be if you all found out that Rinnosuke would appear in ZUN's next game? Asking out of curiosity lol
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Mass suicides and boycutting of the game are the two only likely outcomes.
I'd probably be fine with it if the game is good though.
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On a related note, what would your responses be if you all found out that Rinnosuke would appear in ZUN's next game? Asking out of curiosity lol
Dunno....I probably wouldn't play. :V
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On a related note, what would your responses be if you all found out that Rinnosuke would appear in ZUN's next game? Asking out of curiosity lol
It would be awesome because Rinnosuke is the manliest badass is in Gensokyo. Buy it, play it, fap to it.
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Men appearing in the game's story.
Since this has come up several times before, I'd like to ask: to those of you who would object to male characters in Touhou games, why? Why would this ruin the game, make it unplayable, or be otherwise undesirable?
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Since this has come up several times before, I'd like to ask: to those of you who would object to male characters in Touhou games, why? Why would this ruin the game, make it unplayable, or be otherwise undesirable?
Maybe because the Touhou community has grown used to lolis flying everywhere
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Maybe because the Touhou community has grown used to lolis flying everywhere
This,
If I've to add upon that, I guess it's because some have grown to expect ZUN to put only girls in the games. Dunno if putting men in the game would make it "unplayable", but it'll make the game undesirable for people who want girls only. If the game's good, then I guess they'll be fine with the game, though.
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Maybe because the Touhou community has grown used to lolis flying everywhere
My thoughts exactly.
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Maybe because the Touhou community has grown used to lolis flying everywhere
Unzan.
Really though, that's hardly a good reason, at least if you're talking about playing the game or not. If you want to dislike the character, go ahead, but you'd really outright ignore the game because it has a male character?
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I've always found myself a bit dumbfounded when people talk about adding males into touhou as 'ruining the game'.
However they do have a point, while I personally couldn't care less, it would be awkward for zun to just have a guy show up with a handful of spellcards after so many years of an all girl cast.
An existing character like Rinnosuke could potentially work, but otherwise he'd have to be careful throwing him in there.
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I wouldn't mind having male characters on the condition that they are related in any way to a pre-existing character otherwise it'd seem too out of the blue.
Although im not really for, too many males in Touhou pretty much because of how some of the fandom would use it (MANnosuke is enough for me) although it could possibly bring out some interesting fan works.
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So, in other words, because it would be too much of a change from the Touhou you know?
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Hm, I think so in regards to my Touhou Fanon image and the stuff fans would produce
Now that I think about it, a male character would not really change much for the overall Canon-Story of Touhou since I feel he may be a low stage boss (so it'll only affect one side of Touhou), unless he's a final or stage 5 boss since it's possible he'll cause as much change as the Moriya Shrine crew to Touhou
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what if it's a little boy rather than a man :O
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Rinnosuke is the one dude. That's his thing. You can't take away his thing! Every other male is either non-humanoid or is never shown.
Introducing male characters would be a drastic shift in Touhou's feminine aesthetic, what with how spellcard battles are supposed to be contests of beauty and whatnot. There's the "girls are preparing" line, the fact that historically male characters have been remade as females (Miko)...everyone being a girl is just part of the setting.
(Also I like my lesbian paradise the way it is)
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Come to think of it, maybe they're just worried that the game would turn out to be in a style where Reimu fights against all midbosses and bosses that are male. It wouldn't hurt to add like only one male midboss/boss in the game, but if it turns out that all the midbosses/bosses are male, then I would say "hmm... that's quite unexpected."
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To be honest, I have literally no opinion on male characters introduced to Touhou, but seeing how strongly a lot of people feel about it, I was curious to see if there was a common thread. And yeah, seems to essentially boil down to what Stuffman said about the game's "feminine aesthetic", which is a good way to put it.
And truly, how would Rinnosuke deal with another man in Gensokyo? It'd be awkward, certainly. And not in a zany, episode-of-Friends kinda way, either.
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what with how spellcard battles are supposed to be contests of beauty and whatnot.
Of course, if the spellcard battles could focus more on power than just looking pretty then I wouldn't mind a male boss or two. :V
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I dunno, Marisa tends to be on the category of spell cards need to be flashy and things like go big or go home.
Male characters would be awkward, but hey, they have some. As long as they aren't final bosses or playable, it shouldn't be too much of a shift and can be a slow introduction.
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Geesh, he could just make them effeminate and call it a day, everyone would be happy!
In general, male characters would be an interesting change. In fact, I think a male main character would be the only reason to consider not picking Reimu, for me at least. Though I think I still wouldn't change, I'd rather stick with one character all the way through.
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To be honest, I have literally no opinion on male characters introduced to Touhou
This, pretty much. I still need to actively remind myself that Futo and Mokou are female, to the point of almost using "he" every time I refer to one or the other, and even assumed the latter was male for a while.
I only really remember that the series contains practically no males or (physical) adults when I'm considering introducing it to others.
Having said that, I would find it really disconcerting if the guy was anything other than a boy that could be considered androgenous in zunart.
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Having said that, I would find it really disconcerting if the guy was anything other than a boy that could be considered androgenous in zunart.
I agree, because that would be in keeping with ZUN's art style. Not really seeing "Fat Balding Middle-Aged Accountant For Mid-Sized Electronics Supplier-san" for the Stage 5 boss of Touhou 14.
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I wouldn't be opposed to seeing male characters, honestly. It's a welcome change from what we usually see every so often when a new touhou game comes out, and given how I work, I tend to like things that break the norm with something interesting. Yeah, it'll be 'awkward' when he's there instead of the 'magical loli' we were expecting to see, but to me, it's a lot better than seeing what I've grown used to for so many years.
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I wouldn't like male characters in the games, since I've gotten used to the improbably female cast and I like it. It's no end of the world though. And Rinnosuke's alright, since he's already in the verse.
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It's a minor thing and it doesn't bother me that much but I'd prefer if ZUN went back to power items giving more than .01 of your power. I know its already happened in 2 games but I think them being worth .05 would be better just to have less clutter on the screen.
One thing I really don't want to see, like some people said, is the fanon romance to creep into the game. I'll admit that I do enjoy watching it outside of the game, just keep it there. I'm pretty sure that would never happen as it would really change the tone of the game.
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Male characters, female characters.
Makes no difference to me. They all get obscured behind a clusterfuck of bullets within seconds anyway. Gender's not gonna have any bearing on the bullets.
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I think the people making the objections care more about the narrative aspect than the gameplay.
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I don't see much difference between male and female. However, having a character whose gender is unknown would be cool, akin to the Pyro is TF2.
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I don't see much difference between male and female. However, having a character whose gender is unknown would be cool, akin to the Pyro is TF2.
Sariel?
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However, having a character whose gender is unknown would be cool, akin to the Pyro is TF2.
And then all her/his/its lines: 'Mmmmmmmf! Mmmm mmm mmmmph! Mmmh?':V
While I don't mind male characters in-game it would be odd to see them as even midbosses beyond the first three stages.
Now, back to topic: I'd like to avoid seeing second loops in Touhou, even if they're just for Lunatic and maybe Hard. While that would be a good way to distinguish Easy/Normal and Hard/Lunatic, it wouldn't fit too well with how Touhou works IMO.
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I'd hate to see some kind of "all star" game; all the most popular characters brought together in one game, just to celebrate their popularity. That's like the equivalent of a "best of" album from a musician. You know it's over when they try to sell a compilation of old stuff as a new body of work.
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I'd hate to see some kind of "all star" game; all the most popular characters brought together in one game, just to celebrate their popularity. That's like the equivalent of a "best of" album from a musician. You know it's over when they try to sell a compilation of old stuff as a new body of work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85bE4NlzrLE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85bE4NlzrLE)
Things you hate come true, things you like will never come true.
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I'd hate to see some kind of "all star" game; all the most popular characters brought together in one game, just to celebrate their popularity. That's like the equivalent of a "best of" album from a musician. You know it's over when they try to sell a compilation of old stuff as a new body of work.
By that train of thought, I do would want to see the metaphorical equivalent of a live-album!
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I'd hate to see some kind of "all star" game; all the most popular characters brought together in one game, just to celebrate their popularity. That's like the equivalent of a "best of" album from a musician. You know it's over when they try to sell a compilation of old stuff as a new body of work.
I'd second that - it would make some of us feel that their favorite characters that did not make it into the "popular characters" list are being ignored :(
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85bE4NlzrLE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85bE4NlzrLE)
Things you hate come true, things you like will never come true.
I don't think that's about the popular characters. It's more like every character they could fit in
EDIT: Is that playable in any form?
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Now, back to topic: I'd like to avoid seeing second loops in Touhou, even if they're just for Lunatic and maybe Hard. While that would be a good way to distinguish Easy/Normal and Hard/Lunatic, it wouldn't fit too well with how Touhou works IMO.
I agree. I find loops to be pretty stupid myself because of how skilled players trying to clear said loop will be forced to play through the first round every time which becomes tedious as you start building some competence at the loop. Touhou have always stuck with it's difficulty settings and that's how it should always be.
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I'd hate to see some kind of "all star" game; all the most popular characters brought together in one game, just to celebrate their popularity.
I have to say, the fighting games always came across this way to me.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85bE4NlzrLE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85bE4NlzrLE)
Things you hate come true, things you like will never come true.
Fortunately this appears to be a fan work, so I haven't thrown a chair through a closed window.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85bE4NlzrLE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85bE4NlzrLE)
Things you hate come true, things you like will never come true.
EDIT: Is that playable in any form?
I second this, because I think that looks awesome.
And what?
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A Hollywood Touhou made to please western audiences. The amount of facepalm I can't even imagine if there's ever a trailer or announcement of it somewhere. :ohdear:
Late-ass reply, but honestly, with the amount of stupid gag doujin and idiotic "oh my god this touhoe is SO EVIL!!", Hollywood would make a better adaptation than those. :V
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I have to say, the fighting games always came across this way to me.
So true. Hell, SWR only added 5 characters (Reisen, Komachi, Aya, Iku, & Tenshi) and didn't include Hong Meiling.
Though I'll add one to this list... Another fighting game using IaMP/SWR's engine. It's 2012, time to move on past low-res sprites and static backgrounds.
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Let's take a look at the roster.
IaMP had, IIRC:
Reimu, Marisa, Alice, Patchouli, Sakuya, Youmu, Remilia, Suika, Yuyuko, and Yukari. Plus Meiling, though she didn't have a story mode.
Reimu and Marisa can be crossed off because they're the main protagonists of the series.
At the time the game was released (following IN, I believe), Sakuya had been in the previous three games, twice as a playable character, so we can cross her off.
Suika was new, so cross her off.
Meiling belongs in a fighting game, 'nuff said.
Now we have Alice, Patchouli, Youmu, Remilia, Yuyuko, and Yukari. Here things get a bit less clear cut.
I'd say Youmu belongs in a fighting game too, and the rest are there because, having links to characters already in the roster, they have more of a reason to be there than, say, Rumia or Letty.
Patchouli, Remilia, and Yukari also have reasons to be in the game because they're related to Suika in one way or another.
You could also argue they just included all the previously playable characters first, (Reimu, Marisa, Sakuya, Yukari, Alice, Remilia, Youmu and Yuyuko), added Suika as a new boss, and threw in Meiling for fightyness and Patchouli to finish the SDM crew (sans Flandre, who I believe is fairly popular, and thus should've been included if IaMP was meant to be an all-star roster).
SWR had the same roster plus a few additions. We can cross off all the above because they were already in the previous game, and replacing them would be more jarring than leaving them in.
Iku and Tenshi are new, and Aya lives on the mountain half the characters have to climb up, obvious choice. Momiji would've almost certainly been there too if she'd been a boss instead of a midboss.
I can't think of a reason Reisen or Komachi would be there off the top of my head (other than to put in a character from IN and PoFV, and the whole shinigami-celestial thing), but then, I've never seen any indication that they're particularly popular either.
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Plus, Alice, Yukari, Yuyuko and Remilia were all playable in Imperishable Night, which, while taking place after IaMP in continuity was released a few months earlier. So they might fall under "previously playable characters" like Sakuya. Youmu too.
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I'd hate it if any of the characters would start hating on negroes. Especially my favorites :(
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I'd hate it if any of the characters would start hating on negroes. Especially my favorites :(
*boggles*
How would this even ... why ... what?
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where the bloody fuck did that come from
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I'd hate it if any of the characters would start hating on negroes. Especially my favorites :(
lolwut
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I just wanted to throw something relevant to this topic...never expected people to react that way o_o also to clarify, when i said "especially my favorites", i meant my favorite touhous. I don't..have...yeah :ohdear:
Uh, nvm *still feels awkward*
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I mean, uh, yeah, I'd hate it, too, if ZUN sat down and designed a Touhou character who was a hardcore racist against Africans. But I think Mima will come back before that happens.
My favorite part was "especially my favorites". Like if it was a lesser-liked character you could be, "Eh, well, sucks that Chen turned out to be a racist, but at least it wasn't Yukari!"
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Oh, that. I meant to express that it'd hurt me a lot even if it wasn't one of my fave touhous being racist (I do have a negro fancy...don't ask), but it'd just hurt even more if it was one of my faves, like Merlin, Tenshi, or Kasen.
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Don't worry, I understood. Just thought it was funny that it'd be slightly less terrible if it was a character you hated who was racist.
What a weird conversation this is turning into.
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Yup, and thanks for understanding ^^; I do admit the reactions I got (not blaming you guys) amused me in a way it shouldn't have... I'll add something else, hehe...
I'd hate it if there was an ending in canon that was extremely dark. Like some Avatar of Gensokyo singing a song like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwi529twCpY) in the context of some Gensokyo Armageddon. It'd be so unlike the series :ohdear:
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Now here is something more of a rant about something that has already sort of happened, a sort of carbon copy of an already beloved character (Reimu -> Sanae)
Now, I really don't HATE Sanae, but I find her to be my least favourite character for about 2 or more reasons.
First of is pretty obvious, She is a Shrine Maiden, who exposes her armpits and pretty much does little work from what I've seen (I think Kanako handles everything or something) and is trying to increase Faith in her shrine by any means possible and exposes her armpits. I not a big fan of cloned characters... And seeing as Reimu is one of my favourite characters, that makes me like it even less.
Second is her ability, Thaumaturgy? That's a pretty powerful ability, but we don't really see it put to it's biggest extent (Except for her attacks in DS, which look nigh impossible to complete. But that's a spin off so...) Unlike Reimu who uses hers to float BETWEEN THE BOUNDARIES OF WORLDS AND STILL BE ABLE TO KICK YOUR ASS (But it's Reimu so what can you expect?)
Third is she seems a little... bland personality wise I mean her design doesn't look TOO much like Reimu, but she seems a little too boring for me... She seems like one of those average brainy people (with added sadism) and I never really got into those kind of characters (I mean look how fast it takes her to deduce the shadow from UNL is a robot.)
I know some of you ARE going to disagree on this but I just wanted to give a personal opinion and this seems like the thread to do it (Talking about things we don't want to happen) so yeah, personal opinion and you can correct me as much as you want, it's just my overall opinion on her and carbon-copies.
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Now here is something more of a rant about something that has already sort of happened, a sort of carbon copy of an already beloved character (Reimu -> Sanae)
Now, I really don't HATE Sanae, but I find her to be my least favourite character for about 2 or more reasons.
First of is pretty obvious, She is a Shrine Maiden, who exposes her armpits and pretty much does little work from what I've seen (I think Kanako handles everything or something) and is trying to increase Faith in her shrine by any means possible and exposes her armpits. I not a big fan of cloned characters... And seeing as Reimu is one of my favourite characters, that makes me like it even less.
Second is her ability, Thaumaturgy? That's a pretty powerful ability, but we don't really see it put to it's biggest extent (Except for her attacks in DS, which look nigh impossible to complete. But that's a spin off so...) Unlike Reimu who uses hers to float BETWEEN THE BOUNDARIES OF WORLDS AND STILL BE ABLE TO KICK YOUR ASS (But it's Reimu so what can you expect?)
Third is she seems a little... bland personality wise I mean her design doesn't look TOO much like Reimu, but she seems a little too boring for me... She seems like one of those average brainy people (with added sadism) and I never really got into those kind of characters (I mean look how fast it takes her to deduce the shadow from UNL is a robot.)
I know some of you ARE going to disagree on this but I just wanted to give a personal opinion and this seems like the thread to do it (Talking about things we don't want to happen) so yeah, personal opinion and you can correct me as much as you want, it's just my overall opinion on her and carbon-copies.
Ya know, I kinda think Sanae of kind of a crossover between Mima and Reimu. With Mima's physical traits and Reimu's...well...job.
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Huh, I see. I get what you mean; most touhou characters have little depth. But, considering that Sanae'll probably appear in more canon, you may end up liking her, I think.
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Huh, I see. I get what you mean; most touhou characters have little depth. But, considering that Sanae'll probably appear in more canon, you may end up liking her, I think.
Seeing as I really don't like her now (and the fact she replaced Sakuya, my third favourite Touhou character) I'm not going to WANT to see her become more canon... We already have on OP shrine maiden who has amazing pits.
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i'll bite
Personally I think the reasons you have for disliking Sanae are silly (bet you didn't see that coming!!). I can appeal to the dislike of character copies, but it's your claim that she is a carbon copy that I have a problem with. If you look at basically any source after MoF you can easily see that Sanae is well indeed her own character. You can probably find many characters in Touhou that act pretty much the same simply because they don't have a good background, but Sanae (especially in WaHH) is pretty clearly unique, and the more works she's in, the more clearly you'll see differences between her and Reimu.
Exposing armpits? Seriously? That to begin with is just a fandom thing, and applying it to yet another character and then claiming it's copying is pretty much "wat".
Sanae's work as a shrine maiden is gathering faith at the human village. Not sure what you mean by "any means possible" considering she doesn't even perform miracles very often (which you even noted?). Naturally, as Kanako and Suwako can manifest in Gensokyo and do matters on their own, actually gathering faith isn't their prime objective anyways. Developing Gensokyo (particularly Youkai Mountain) is Kanako's current objective. Sanae doesn't really need to perform many duties. Also note that when Reimu is kidnapped in WaHH, Sanae even takes over her shrine duties.
Not using her ability as a living god very often is a point to be made, but it should be no reason to dislike a character. Most characters are never seen actually using their abilities to begin with. Your mention of Reimu's ability is a actually a pretty crummy one considering it's the godhax one that she only shows in danmaku, once. Some of Reimu's other abilities are far more interesting, in my opinion.
How do you complain about Sanae being boring when she's one of the most eccentric characters in the series, and then you compare her to Reimu, of all people. Moreover, why are you pointing out that unlike Reimu she isn't shown using her powers, and that she's a brainy ditz, and boring, but she's somehow also a carbon copy of Reimu. You're pointing out things that contradict your earlier claims.
The whole sadism thing in UFO was just an extension of her eccentricity that was fueled by fans (although I do think she was oddly written in UFO). Obviously it's all danmaku, and once she figured out (in SA) that part of the liveliness in Gensokyo is just having fun picking fights with people, she adapted it. People don't seem to realize that there is some actual character development going on in Touhou. It's like people criticize the series for being one-dimensional but then just choose to cling to the actual one-dimensional fan interpretations and ignore all the actual meat that is indeed present in the series. Derp.
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i'll bite
Personally I think the reasons you have for disliking Sanae are silly (bet you didn't see that coming!!). I can appeal to the dislike of character copies, but it's your claim that she is a carbon copy that I have a problem with. If you look at basically any source after MoF you can easily see that Sanae is well indeed her own character. You can probably find many characters in Touhou that act pretty much the same simply because they don't have a good background, but Sanae (especially in WaHH) is pretty clearly unique, and the more works she's in, the more clearly you'll see differences between her and Reimu.
Exposing armpits? Seriously? That to begin with is just a fandom thing, and applying it to yet another character and then claiming it's copying is pretty much "wat".
Sanae's work as a shrine maiden is gathering faith at the human village. Not sure what you mean by "any means possible" considering she doesn't even perform miracles very often (which you even noted?). Naturally, as Kanako and Suwako can manifest in Gensokyo and do matters on their own, actually gathering faith isn't their prime objective anyways. Developing Gensokyo (particularly Youkai Mountain) is Kanako's current objective. Sanae doesn't really need to perform many duties. Also note that when Reimu is kidnapped in WaHH, Sanae even takes over her shrine duties.
Not using her ability as a living god very often is a point to be made, but it should be no reason to dislike a character. Most characters are never seen actually using their abilities to begin with. Your mention of Reimu's ability is a actually a pretty crummy one considering it's the godhax one that she only shows in danmaku, once. Some of Reimu's other abilities are far more interesting, in my opinion.
How do you complain about Sanae being boring when she's one of the most eccentric characters in the series, and then you compare her to Reimu, of all people. Moreover, why are you pointing out that unlike Reimu she isn't shown using her powers, and that she's a brainy ditz, and boring, but she's somehow also a carbon copy of Reimu. You're pointing out things that contradict your earlier claims.
The whole sadism thing in UFO was just an extension of her eccentricity that was fueled by fans (although I do think she was oddly written in UFO). Obviously it's all danmaku, and once she figured out (in SA) that part of the liveliness in Gensokyo is just having fun picking fights with people, she adapted it. People don't seem to realize that there is some actual character development going on in Touhou. It's like people criticize the series for being one-dimensional but then just choose to cling to the actual one-dimensional fan interpretations and ignore all the actual meat that is indeed present in the series. Derp.
I see, I guess most of my reasons are pretty silly and I never really read any of the novels because I usually can't get my hands on them. And I GUESS comparing her to Reimu and not even showing anything in common in them makes me look really stupid... Thanks for clearing things up Drake, Next time I'll try to put a little more thought into what I say. Thank you.
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That Buront and his stupid meme crossover. I swear if that thing becomes canon, I would leave Touhou and never touch or bring it up ever again!
Anything else is fine...
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I'd hate it if any of the characters would start hating on negroes. Especially my favorites :(
where the bloody fuck did that come from
Oh my god I haven't laughed at a forum thread for quite a long time. :getdown:
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The whole sadism thing in UFO was just an extension of her eccentricity that was fueled by fans (although I do think she was oddly written in UFO). Obviously it's all danmaku, and once she figured out (in SA) that part of the liveliness in Gensokyo is just having fun picking fights with people, she adapted it. People don't seem to realize that there is some actual character development going on in Touhou. It's like people criticize the series for being one-dimensional but then just choose to cling to the actual one-dimensional fan interpretations and ignore all the actual meat that is indeed present in the series. Derp.
I always thought UFO!Sanae was just a little genki and nerding out over her chance to play real-life space invaders. She seemed to take it literally as a game the whole way through, probably because it was something she never got to experience before. She was more immersed in the happenings than in the feelings of the Youkai, not due to sadistic reasons at all.
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I think I would dislike it if Gensokyo suddenly was overtaken by the technology of the outside world. I mean yeah, they use this stuff now, but if a "Modern" Gensokyo was to come about, that would just make me nostalgic of the former Gensokyo (think of Pc-98 to windows games)
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I think I would dislike it if Gensokyo suddenly was overtaken by the technology of the outside world. I mean yeah, they use this stuff now, but if a "Modern" Gensokyo was to come about, that would just make me nostalgic of the former Gensokyo (think of Pc-98 to windows games)
And then due to being forgotten by most of the real world the PC-98 appears in Gensokyo.
And then Mima will appear.
But only inside the game that the actual characters are playing.
:smug:
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I always thought UFO!Sanae was just a little genki and nerding out over her chance to play real-life space invaders. She seemed to take it literally as a game the whole way through, probably because it was something she never got to experience before. She was more immersed in the happenings than in the feelings of the Youkai, not due to sadistic reasons at all.
Totally. You can especially see this if you compare how she was in UFO to how she was in Ten Desires. There, she seems a bit more chill about the whole "EXTERMINATE ALL YOUKAI" thing. That's why I've warmed up to her more - she's growing up, and we can to watch it happen.
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Virtual reality touhou. I think I would die playing that. And I thought 3D danmaku was already bad enough.
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And then due to being forgotten by most of the real world the PC-98 appears in Gensokyo.
And then Mima will appear.
But only inside the game that the actual characters are playing.
:smug:
Not gonna lie, that would be so deliciously meta and such an utter mind-fuck that I would be all for it.
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Probably gonna get shot but... I never want a second Subterranean Animism. The overtuned difficulty drove me off from it. Not only the patterns, but also how annoying it is to open new stages for practices, requiring a little too much dedication and perseverance through repetition that it made me stop having fun on it.
The new "partner" system, without any shot I could be confortable with, combined with bombing from MoF... how streamlined getting Extends were... ugh.
But I guess Zun won't go back to it.
Anyway, besides that I never want Marisa to stop being playable in main games. So even if there's a fresh start with a new canon (like EoSD), I hope Marisa carries over. Don't really care about the personality and design, as long as it's a witch that shoots love and lasers.
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SA has one of the easiest Hard and Lunatic modes in the series from what I remember playing and watching. It does have, however, relatively difficult Easy and Normal modes. UFO is harder overall by a huge margin.
SA doesn't have "overtuned difficulty." It's difficulty is just poorly skewed that its Easy and Normal are around the level of other games' normals/ stage1-3 Hards, while the hard and lunatic are comparable to IN's, so there aren't nearly as drastic changes between difficulties.
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Woohoo, let's start another difficulty discussion!
I wouldn't call it one of the easiest. It's certainly harder than IN. I'd put it around the level of EoSD, though everything is of course dwarfed by UFO.
Just speaking from my own experience, having played every Lunatic mode. I guess I'll add that I'd love to see more SA/UFO level games myself, but this conversation already happened a while ago.
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SA has one of the easiest Hard and Lunatic modes in the series from what I remember playing and watching. It does have, however, relatively difficult Easy and Normal modes. UFO is harder overall by a huge margin.
in terms of attempts to clear I agree, but I put it off because I was scared of it lol.
My difficulty of lunatic modes though is as follows:
MoF < PCB < IN < EoSD < SA < TD < UFO
Almost no one agrees with my placement of TD, but SA is definitely pretty hard on lunatic.
Anyway, besides that I never want Marisa to stop being playable in main games. So even if there's a fresh start with a new canon (like EoSD), I hope Marisa carries over. Don't really care about the personality and design, as long as it's a witch that shoots love and lasers.
Bring Youmu along too :V
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also import the cast of ufo because <3
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SA has one of the easiest Hard and Lunatic modes in the series from what I remember playing and watching. It does have, however, relatively difficult Easy and Normal modes. UFO is harder overall by a huge margin.
SA doesn't have "overtuned difficulty." It's difficulty is just poorly skewed that its Easy and Normal are around the level of other games' normals/ stage1-3 Hards, while the hard and lunatic are comparable to IN's, so there aren't nearly as drastic changes between difficulties.
Really?
I found it much harder than UFO (I don't play on Lunatic yet, only Hard and Normal). Maybe it's just me not faring well with the patterns (mainly stage 5 - UFO's based on reflexes and SA's on memorization/movement...). But again, what messes my progression is the shot types, I need my Illusion Laser/Homing Amulets lol.
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To move this thread away from gameplay difficulty discussion (which is actually what Help Me Eirin is for, in part), I'd add that I agree on not wanting another Subterranean Animism, but because descending into the depths of Hell was a story I was just not really thrilled about. It's been done, and the whole feel of the story was so claustrophobic at times. Give me flying out in the open air, up the mountainside, through the bamboo forest and what have you - delving deeper and deeper into a cavernous realm was just ugh. No thanks, let's skip that idea from now on.
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I'm going to add what I'd not want to happen.
1) Okay, for starters TD disappointed me quite much. After playing it I didn't get the same feeling I got after experiencing the previous games for the first time. So, I don't want another game with a lesser degree of difficulty just to please a greater audience... a game as hard as UFO is good enough for me imo. But something that I really disliked about TD was the fact that yuyuko was the Stage 1 boss. I mean... she was a reused character and none of the previous games did such a thing. I don't really count Marisa and Reimu on IN that despite not being new, it was the first time we fought them on windows. And aya was reused, but it was also the first time we fought her on a regular danmaku game (PoFV used a different system, it wasn't a 6+1 stages title). So I don't want another game reusing previous characters this way. Now it feels like TD got a "hole" on stage 1 because it just used an already existing boss with different spell cards.
2) No new game that introduces absolutely no new character at all (i.e things like STB or GFW).
3) Also, like the majority I want no game focusing on males. This is just not like Touhou.
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I've got a lot of faith in where the series goes, but I don't think I'd like it if the official games ended up with voice acting, either for the dialogue or the action. Well, unless ZUN stayed true to form and did all the voice acting himself. That'd make for the best and worst Touhou game possible.
(I would be entirely OK if men showed up in Gensokyo! Honestly, if Wriggle had turned out to be a boy it wouldn't have been a big deal at all.)
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I know I'm probably going to be in the minority here, but I'd love to see voice acting in Touhou, both prior to the boss fight and during the fight itself. It's one of the things I love about the eXceed series.
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I certainly wouldn't mind a bit of it, especially in the fighters. But if the lines in the STGs approach DoDonPachi Saidaioujou levels (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gTqnQdmDJU) in terms of quantity, frequency, and silliness, I won't know whether to laugh or be in shock.
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I never want Touhou to become Dragon ball z-ish. I mean can you imagine Ichirin and Unzan punching Aya into a rock wall. That would be funny but, it wouldn't feel like touhou.
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So basically, an extreme focus on earth-shatteringly high power levels?
I'd dislike it if Touhou tried to prove it was for paedos only.
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I'd dislike it if Touhou tried to prove it was for paedos only.
...? :wat:
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I'd dislike it if Touhou tried to prove it was for paedos only.
(Earlier in this thread ...)
I'd hate it if any of the characters would start hating on negroes. Especially my favorites :(
I don't think you're really getting the idea behind this thread. It's not "Any random shit that you can possibly dream of that you don't want to appear in Touhou"; but more "Things which could conceivably come to pass in Touhou that you really don't want to happen."
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Like such:
The complete modernization of Gensokyo, I mean the levels of tech right now is at that right level of quirkiness, but any more and I fear that the cycle that pushed Yukari to create Gensokyo while start again.
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Maybe he's thinking "things/attitudes he doesn't want the fandom to start doing/attributing to characters." Still pretty out-there though. :V
Voice acting would be kinda cool, actually. I wonder what plethora of memes would evolve from it.
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I think I would dislike it if Gensokyo suddenly was overtaken by the technology of the outside world. I mean yeah, they use this stuff now, but if a "Modern" Gensokyo was to come about, that would just make me nostalgic of the former Gensokyo (think of Pc-98 to windows games)
So, ever played Touhou Mother before?
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It probably was already mentioned before, but I wouldn't like to see fanon character interpretations becoming canon.
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Any examples? There are quite a lot of fanon character interpretations and well they are not all bad, I think.
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A lot of people need to realise that not all fanon = Tsundere Alice/Mokou or jealous-of-her-own-reflection Parsee.
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The modernization of Gensokyo.
Doesn't SoPM say something about that, though?
So, people don't like males in their touhous. What if said male was gay?
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Then I would have a new favorite character <3
Oh, but he'd be forever alone because there are no other guys
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Oh, but he'd be forever alone because there are no other guys
Rinnosuke, Unzan and Genji say hi. (as does Youki from beyond the grave)
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Any examples? There are quite a lot of fanon character interpretations and well they are not all bad, I think.
Wait, my wording was very bad and had a totally different meaning as I intended.
Let's put it this way: I wouldn't like to see the canon characters more fleshed out, because that would limit the fanon character interpretations. Somewhat.
I hope it's more understandable now.
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Sorry about the difficulty talk, I didn't meant to almost start a discussion.
Wait, my wording was very bad and had a totally different meaning as I intended.
Let's put it this way: I wouldn't like to see the canon characters more fleshed out, because that would limit the fanon character interpretations. Somewhat.
I hope it's more understandable now.
This is the exact reason why I'm against voice acting. I think voice and speech are half of a character's personality.
Btw... jealous-of-her-own-reflection Parsee is more canon than fanon :P
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This is the exact reason why I'm against voice acting. I think voice and speech are half of a character's personality.
What? You mean you wouldn't want to see Aya Hirano voice acting as Reimu in Touhou 14?
*ducks*
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Sorry about the difficulty talk, I didn't meant to almost start a discussion.
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. I feel like when it comes to difficulty people start arguing about it and not much progress gets made, which is why I was reluctant to say more about it than I did. I guess it's a fine thing to talk about on it's own, though this particular thread would be pretty derailed by it.
On topic: I wouldn't have expected people to be against further character development.
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What? You mean you wouldn't want to see Aya Hirano voice acting as Reimu in Touhou 14?
*ducks*
I'd be fine with her as Tenshi :smug:
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. I feel like when it comes to difficulty people start arguing about it and not much progress gets made, which is why I was reluctant to say more about it than I did. I guess it's a fine thing to talk about on it's own, though this particular thread would be pretty derailed by it.
On topic: I wouldn't have expected people to be against further character development.
I wasn't ^^
I feel pretty bad when I accidentally derail a thread.
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On topic: I wouldn't have expected people to be against further character development.
People seem to enjoy molding the Touhou characters to fit their own fantasies, is the thing
What? You mean you wouldn't want to see Aya Hirano voice acting as Reimu in Touhou 14?
*ducks*
that was terrible and you should feel bad. :colbert:
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On topic: I wouldn't have expected people to be against further character development.
Almost everything in Touhou is practically designed for maximum potential for fan contributions. The vague, often volatile personalities are no different.
This means that the fandom has a relatively large role in providing the delicious entertainment, unlike a novel or tv series wherein the content is near-exclusively provided by the author or writers.
For the latter media, character development is great; without it, characters seem shallow and often peripheral.
In this type of series, however, the fandom takes it upon themselves to flesh out characters, settings and what have you. Each person will ascribe their own interpretations to their works, creating nuances that make the work differ from any other, to whatever degree. When people are looking for new touhou works to enjoy, they can pick and choose from a variety, and if they decide work X doesn't suit them, they can look elsewhere.
If there was further character development, then there would be a "correct" interpretation. A lot of works wouldn't happen, or would be substantially different, because deviating from definite canonical characterisations and events is often avoided by people, especially the ones who tend to do a lot of research, which are often the ones that produce the most enjoyable fanworks.
People can make their own works as detailed as they like- explaining the minutae of a character's personality, and the mechanics of their powers, as it stands in their setting. Because it's not going against anything from canon, people can freely accept it.
I'd go so far as to say most people who're in the Touhou crowd for the story aren't getting most of it from ZUN's works; he provides the skeleton of works, and the hordes of talented folks out there build their own works from that.
Give people the basics and they make whatever they want; a lot of it is boring, redundant, unimaginitive or poorly structured, but a lot of it is brilliant. Like minecraft.
Give them a detailed, clearly defined product and they'll be interested for a week, then get bored and move on. Like an FPS. Zing!
<Achievement unlocked: semi-coherent sleep-deprived rambling post without proof reading. Aww yeeaah.>
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Almost everything in Touhou is practically designed for maximum potential for fan contributions. The vague, often volatile personalities are no different.
It's a series of shmups, that kind of comes WITH the territory. You rarely ever see any shmup with fleshed out characters or anything resembling a developed story.
Most of the interest comes from the character designs, and that is what brought about the fan contributions. Common shmup design principles put flavor and plot on the back-burner while emphasizing gameplay, music and bullet patterns. Which is what ZUN has mostly succeeded in. The "maximum potential" was a complete byproduct of the development process.
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On the other hand, for a shmup, Touhou characters have huge amounts of development. As a rule, that sort of game will have prety much all the bosses with about as much characterisation as nameless midbosses, with possibly the final boss getting a line or two of dialogue. With Touhou, everyone's had a name since PCB, most of them have a good few lines of dialogue, there's always plenty of characterization in the endings, and that's not even going near any of the written works.
I certainly wouldn't like to see any less character development, but I wouldn't mind seeing more.
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I was under the impression that two factors set Touhou apart as far as shmups go, and contribute to it having the doujin base that it does:
1. The official works which do provide character development, background, and story.
2. ZUN's relatively lax attitude about attributions and fair use.
I think both of these work to encourage fanworks.
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I think both of these work to encourage fanworks.
This is true, but haoreos' post seemed to me like he was trying to imply that ZUN intentionally make it that way. Which I sincerely doubt.
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While I can see why you would read it that way, that wasn't what I meant.
Almost everything in Touhou is practically designed for maximum potential for fan contributions.
I'm assuming you read that in the sense "Almost everything in Touhou is designed for maximum potential for fan contributions in a practical manner".
I intended the "practically designed" to be read in the emphatic sense. Like "I don't want to come back to that restaurant. The soup was practically frozen"; I.E, the soup was cold, rather than being solid for all practical purposes.
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I'm assuming you read that in the sense "Almost everything in Touhou is designed for maximum potential for fan contributions in a practical manner".
I intended the "practically designed" to be read in the emphatic sense.
I actually read it as "Almost everything in Touhou is intentionally designed to be that way" with the operative word being intentional >_> So, I read it as how I said I read it.
And I did get that after I posted it.