Maidens of the Kaleidoscope

~Hakurei Shrine~ => Touhou Addict Recovery Center => Topic started by: Stuffman on April 24, 2009, 08:53:09 AM

Title: Lily Black
Post by: Stuffman on April 24, 2009, 08:53:09 AM
So what's the deal with Lily Black?

Is she the same fairy as Lily White? Lily in full-on yandere mode, much like Luize? Lily having a part time job with Sikieiki? Lily that's trying out the whole goth thing? Or an entirely seperate character? Lily's long lost sister? Lily's DEAD sister? Lily who was gapped in from an alternate universe?

Discuss your insane theories now.
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Vile Lasagna on April 24, 2009, 09:22:44 AM
On opposite day Lilly Black announces the coming of fall.
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: cleartailcat on April 24, 2009, 12:26:06 PM
two completely different fairies that are not similar in any way and have nothing to do with one another.
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Tengukami on April 24, 2009, 01:37:15 PM
Lily Black and Lily White were born to two different parents. Lily White's biological parents were actually dirt poor and Lily Black's were wealthy. But a mix up at the maternity ward caused the two to be switched. And so Lily White grew up privileged, while Lily Black grew up in destitution. However, when Lily Black grew older and learned the awful truth of her parentage (from a nurse from the maternity ward who had a guilty conscious about her mistake, and wrote Lily Black a letter confessing the error), she vowed to seek revenge against Lily White. Lily White, for her part, remains oblivious of the maternity ward mix-up.

And that is their amazing story.
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Gpop on April 24, 2009, 01:45:39 PM
Lily Black is dead, but her spirit roams in bodily form like Yuyuko, and she lives with Siki.

Lily White is still alive and roaming around Gensokyo.

You could assume that Lily Black is Lily White's mother =/.
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on April 24, 2009, 03:37:29 PM
Once you go Lily Black, you won't go back.
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Demonlord Pichu on April 24, 2009, 03:50:20 PM
^Why didn't I see that coming?

Lily Black is something like a 'Tatari' for Lily White. Lily Black could have materialized something like how TATARI does through increased circulation of rumors or malicious information (in short - bad news), perhaps, due to Lily White's way of announcing spring people began to spread rumors which would in turn manifest into Lily Black.

Lily Black only lives in Higan because she wants to that or the area has enough rumors and urban myths to keep her in the form we know of now.

/crackpot theory
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: WRATHIE_Beatrice on April 24, 2009, 03:53:07 PM
SILLY

Lily White = Derey-Derey
Lily Black = Tsun- Tsun..

Can't believe all of u MISSED THAT!
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Kojiremi on April 24, 2009, 03:54:53 PM
Lily Black is just one form of the species of "Lily" that exist.

Lily White = the harbringer of Spring

Lily Black = the harbringer of Spring for the Dead

There are many other "Lily" out there including
Lily Red
Lily Yellow
Lily Pink
Lily Blue
Lily Green
Lily Orange

the list goes on....
Their abilites and whereabouts are unknown currently
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on April 24, 2009, 04:00:37 PM
Lily Mauve, Lily Puce, Lily Dark Avocado, Lily Taupe, Lily Grey (not to be confused with Lily Gray) ...
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Demonlord Pichu on April 24, 2009, 04:02:54 PM
Lily Grey Matter, Lily Dandelion Yellow

Crayola Lily's FTW
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Kilgamayan on April 24, 2009, 04:04:52 PM
Quote from: Stuffman on April 24, 2009, 08:53:09 AM
So what's the deal with Lily Black?

(http://blog.danshamptons.com/entertainment/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/seidafafdsfnfeld.jpg)

I like thinking of Lily Black as Lily White's hotter sister.

Also casual racism is casual.
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Kojiremi on April 24, 2009, 04:09:05 PM
Legend has it if all the Lily's combine they become Transient Mother Lily Prism. The mother of all fairies.

(Lily Rangers ftw)
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Nemo★Ma on April 24, 2009, 04:41:16 PM
Having them met together in any of the Touhou Games will result in divide by zero

Having them met together in any fan-fiction is ok since we are always refer them as different fairies.
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: nintendonut888 on April 24, 2009, 05:01:59 PM
IMHO Lily probably just broke the sacred rule and changed clothes. There's no canonical proof that Lily Black is different than Lily White.

I kinda like the idea of two Lilys though.

Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Kojiremi on April 24, 2009, 05:07:12 PM
yeah on a serious note i think its the same lily. All the other fairies on Higan were black clothed so i don't see why not that Lily wore Black as well. it just doesn't help that ZUN named her in PCB Lily White. haha if he called her somethign else then we probably wouldn't have thought of Lily Black at all. (maybe)

I think its the same lily but is wearin black like all the other fairies that are there. but i don't mind the idea of 2 different lilys so its all good haha.
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Tapsa on April 24, 2009, 05:12:47 PM
Quote from: Kilgamayan on April 24, 2009, 04:04:52 PM
I like thinking of Lily Black as Lily White's hotter sister.
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Tenbatsu! Myon Rabbie on April 24, 2009, 06:52:06 PM
Twin sisters. Lily White is the happy-go-lucky and hyperactive one.
And Lily Black is the opposite.
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Wordspoken on April 24, 2009, 08:09:15 PM
Oh nononono. You have got it all wrong! There is only one Lily. At the beginning of spring she is white and shoots danmaku to spread the joy of spring. But on other seasons, sometimes at night, she turns into her other self! mr. hyde Lily Black! The embodiment of her impure thoughts!

Citizens beware! (or be better than her in the arts of danmaku)
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Tenbatsu! Myon Rabbie on April 24, 2009, 08:18:56 PM
Quote from: Wordspoken on April 24, 2009, 08:09:15 PM
Oh nononono. You have got it all wrong! There is only one Lily. At the beginning of spring she is white and shoots danmaku to spread the joy of spring. But on other seasons, sometimes at night, she turns into her other self! mr. hyde Lily Black! The embodiment of her impure thoughts!

Citizens beware! (or be better than her in the arts of danmaku)
Sauce?
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Drake on April 24, 2009, 08:54:03 PM
Lily is white.

Everyone in Higan wears black/dark blue.

Lily goes to Higan.

Lily suddenly wears black.

???
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Kiro on April 24, 2009, 09:17:17 PM
The difference between the 2 besides their color is the obvious rarity. You should imagine the dark version as a special treat after you've had white so much. At first glance, it seems both do the same thing, but there's more to it. Besides being more bitter, 1 serving of dark also provides a dense barrage of healthy antioxidants. Mmm... delicious chocolate.

Wait, what were we talking about again?
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Pesco on April 24, 2009, 09:20:03 PM
If something is available in black or white, the black one always costs more.
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: KumaKinko on April 24, 2009, 09:28:02 PM
craling in Lily black's skin
Her wounds, they will not heal
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Wordspoken on April 24, 2009, 10:09:46 PM
Quote from: Myon on April 24, 2009, 08:18:56 PM
Sauce?
You lost me.
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Hieda no Aya on April 24, 2009, 10:48:40 PM
Lily's white dress is just in seriously bad shape by the end of the game, after she's been shot down so very many times. Haven't you noticed how Touhous' clothes always get torn up when they lose a fight even when everything else is undamaged? She has to race home and throw on the first thing in her closet, barely making it back in time for the last stage. But it's all worth it to Lily as long as she can get in the way right when Shiki's doing something horrible to you make sure you know it's spring.

What a gal.
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Easy Mode on April 24, 2009, 11:54:29 PM
Lily Black is simple Lily White's equally annoying little sister.
After all, younger sisters are always more powerful, right? I say that's why she's in Higan.
Hey, Lily? Where the fuck is my spring? Why is it snowing in April? What the hell, dude?
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Mobius on April 25, 2009, 12:19:10 AM
Quote from: KimikoMuffin on April 24, 2009, 04:00:37 PM
Lily Mauve, Lily Puce, Lily Dark Avocado, Lily Taupe, Lily Grey (not to be confused with Lily Gray) ...

I love you.
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on April 25, 2009, 02:44:17 AM
*takes a bow* Thank you, thank you.

Also, I'm totally stealing the "alter ego" idea.
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: shadowbringer on April 25, 2009, 09:38:09 PM
Lily White was the prototype for an artificially-engineered war machine, in a fairy's shape. Shinki, feeling that merely discarding this prototype could allow others to work on the technology concealed in Lily White, has hidden most of Lily's software under a childish fairy's personality. Lily was still such an astounding work to be rubbed out, and she was given freedom, leading a careless life so far.

However, that wasn't the case for her newer 'sister', the perfected Lily Black, a fine masterpiece that sees in Shinki a sort of distant mother/creator. Shinki had the opportunity to 'test' her abilities when dealing with insurrectors, and successfully contributing to pacify rebelling factions in Makai, and outside. Shinki, fully aware of the events concerning the incidents over Gensokyo, had far more threatening issues to take care of, such as her enemies' weapons (some of their most devastating ones being Cirno, the Dragonslayer, and Rumia, Yukari's master), who are always regarded as pushovers... until the usual heroines become busy resolving incidents somewhere else.
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Quintafeira12 on April 26, 2009, 11:53:01 AM
A: "Screw that!, they are both made to attack us on the very most dangerous moment, right when your opponent just used a level 4 charged attack and do a double danmaku flurry.
They are both targets, only difference is that one dresses like she listens to MCR. Can we just kill them and forget them rather tha finding out their biography?"
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on April 26, 2009, 05:22:17 PM
But if we did that, who'd announce spring!?
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Alice on April 27, 2009, 02:46:56 AM
Quote from: KimikoMuffin on April 26, 2009, 05:22:17 PM
But if we did that, who'd announce spring!?
Bunbunmaru Newspaper.
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Lexica on April 28, 2009, 08:01:49 PM
Quote from: Alice on April 27, 2009, 02:46:56 AM
Bunbunmaru Newspaper.
Does anyone actually read that
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on April 28, 2009, 11:19:55 PM
Somebody's got to. Um ... depending on Gensokyo's population ...
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Alice on April 29, 2009, 01:36:25 AM
Quote from: Lexica on April 28, 2009, 08:01:49 PM
Does anyone actually read that
 
It is the most 'accurate' news information in Gensokyo, everyone must be read it. ;D
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Nemo★Ma on April 29, 2009, 02:11:19 AM
Quote from: Quintafeira12 on April 26, 2009, 11:53:01 AM
A: "Screw that!, they are both made to attack us on the very most dangerous moment, right when your opponent just used a level 4 charged attack and do a double danmaku flurry.
They are both targets, only difference is that one dresses like she listens to MCR. Can we just kill them and forget them rather tha finding out their biography?"

OBJECTION!

For fairies we should use the Convince Command.
If needed, use Capture Command, then Convince.

Then cash in to rise their stats and we have two Aces!

And yes, Fairies are cute and killing is cruel.
So Killing Fairies is ____________ (Fill in the blanks XD)
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: mad on April 29, 2009, 03:34:41 AM
So Killing Fairies is ____________ (Fill in the blanks XD)

Part of a Xanatos gambit to let everyone know its spring.
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: shinyjam on April 29, 2009, 04:02:30 AM
So Killing Fairies is for scoring points. :P
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Nemo★Ma on April 29, 2009, 04:15:06 AM
You are all so cruel people ......

(http://bbs.thproject.org/attachment/Fid_4/4_58791_efd7f675b2ac485.jpg)
Whatever.
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: cleartailcat on April 29, 2009, 04:38:22 AM
Quote from: nemoma on April 29, 2009, 02:11:19 AM
And yes, Fairies are cute and killing is cruel.
So Killing Fairies is ____________ (Fill in the blanks XD)

Cutely Cruel?
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Maid Xan~ on April 29, 2009, 04:47:43 AM
Quote from: nemoma on April 29, 2009, 02:11:19 AM
And yes, Fairies are cute and killing is cruel.
So Killing Fairies is ____________ (Fill in the blanks XD)

Strongly encouraged if you want to beat a touhou game.
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Kojiremi on April 29, 2009, 04:56:27 AM
Guess i'll join in too.

Quote from: nemoma on April 29, 2009, 02:11:19 AM

So Killing Fairies is ____________ (Fill in the blanks XD)

The most basic Gensokyian instinct for surival

anyway back ON topic

I still think there are more Lily species out there.

I'd like to see the Lily Red.

Probably in a volcanoe....or maybe she's underground in the Former Hell of Blazing Fires but kept hidden eh? hehe *goes to check*
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Demonlord Pichu on April 29, 2009, 04:57:37 AM
Quote from: nemoma on April 29, 2009, 02:11:19 AM
And yes, Fairies are cute and killing is cruel.
So Killing Fairies is ____________ (Fill in the blanks XD)
a conspiracy to make you look like a mass murderer that targets little winged girls.
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Drake on April 29, 2009, 05:03:25 AM
Quote from: nemoma on April 29, 2009, 04:15:06 AM
You are all so cruel people ......

(http://bbs.thproject.org/attachment/Fid_4/4_58791_efd7f675b2ac485.jpg)
Whatever.
mmm yellow

Thread is getting dangerously close to Math Class. Shadowbringer's hacktheory sounds pretty awesome, even if the retard youkai -> uber youkai thing has been said fifty million times.
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Nemo★Ma on April 29, 2009, 05:07:13 AM
After seeing everybody's answers, all I wanted to do is....
(http://bbs.thproject.org/attachment/Fid_4/4_58791_ec9454aa43c81df.jpg)

I'll just run away from this thread.
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 29, 2009, 05:42:26 AM
Lily Black grew up in a strained family. She was expected to love that which she felt she had no connection to. As the designated Herald of Spring for the family, She trained everyday as a child to spray colorful Danmaku, representing the blooming Flowers and scattering of flower seeds across the land. She was taught how to love Spring.

...Something that is impossible to teach.

Love is a Mysterious Magic, researched by few, but one thing we do know is that a lack of love will turn even a cheerful fairy sour. What can anyone expect, but an eventual turn.

At the young age of 1,372 when a Fairy is barely grown her own wings, Little Lily Black set off away from home. Her parents died shortly after she left. Several times.

Setting off, she continued to search around until finding the idol of all Fairy kind. The Self-proclaimed Strongest Fairy, Cirno. In finding a great opportunity to seek the profound wisdom of the strongest Fairy in Gensokyo, she asked her which direction she should take in life. Should she choose to pursue her own path? Or should she return to her training to announce spring to Gensokyo?

Witness Testimony tells us that these were her great words of wisdom.

Quote from: (9)
I like frogs. Sometimes, I like to catch frogs and freeze them. My favorite part is when they thaw out and move around again. Sometimes I break them, and they stop moving which always makes me feel sad. But I keep doing it anyway because I'm getting stronger!

From that day forward, Lily Black knew what she wanted to do with the rest of her life.

And the Rest is history.
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Recon 5 on April 29, 2009, 06:50:17 AM
Quote from: nemoma on April 29, 2009, 02:11:19 AM
So Killing Fairies is ____________ (Fill in the blanks XD)

An indirect way of making them stronger. See, every fairy you kill transfers its power to Cirno, and eventually she will have enough power to be the ex boss of TH 20+, which will be about the time that the games start becoming unplayable due to ZUN's progressive alcohol poisoning affecting his programming abilities.

Revenge is sweet, isn't it?
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on April 29, 2009, 06:51:05 AM
Quote from: Madness Chaser on April 29, 2009, 03:34:41 AM
So Killing Fairies is ____________ (Fill in the blanks XD)
C. Yukari's fooling around ag-- I mean what.
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: trancehime on April 29, 2009, 08:49:48 AM
Quote from: Quintafeira12 on April 26, 2009, 11:53:01 AM
A: "Screw that!, they are both made to attack us on the very most dangerous moment, right when your opponent just used a level 4 charged attack and do a double danmaku flurry.
They are both targets, only difference is that one dresses like she listens to MCR. Can we just kill them and forget them rather tha finding out their biography?"

Lily White/Black in that situation is laughable at best. :V
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Quintafeira12 on April 29, 2009, 05:58:38 PM
Quote from: Alice on April 29, 2009, 01:36:25 AM
 
It is the most 'accurate' news information in Gensokyo, everyone must be read it. ;D

It's more like the 'only'(?) news information source in Gensokyo.

I would read it every issue though. Can you imagine the various adventures of the "crazed mass-youkai-murdering shrine maiden" from the eyes of Aya?

and I like the idea of a Lily Red... orr more like... Lily Scarlet
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Letty Whiterock on April 29, 2009, 06:01:21 PM
Quote from: Lexica on April 28, 2009, 08:01:49 PM
Does anyone actually read that
Didn't you watch the Touhou anime?
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Alice on April 29, 2009, 06:01:43 PM
Quote from: Quintafeira12 on April 29, 2009, 05:58:38 PM
It's more like the 'only'(?) news information source in Gensokyo.

I would read it every issue though. Can you imagine the various adventures of the "crazed mass-youkai-murdering shrine maiden" from the eyes of Aya?

and I like the idea of a Lily Red... orr more like... Lily Scarlet
Every girls like gossip and almost everyone in Gensokyo is girl. That conclude how popular Bunbunmaru Newspaper is.
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Maid Xan~ on April 29, 2009, 06:07:38 PM
Quote from: Alice on April 29, 2009, 06:01:43 PM
Every girls

>_>
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Drake on April 29, 2009, 09:48:30 PM
Quote from: Xan on April 29, 2009, 06:07:38 PM
>_>
is the chinese title not good enough for you or what

Unfortunately, I could really see the popularity of Bunbunmaru. Even if none of the youkai featured read it, I'm sure the humans would like it.
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: shadowbringer on April 30, 2009, 02:29:25 AM
Quote from: nemoma on April 29, 2009, 02:11:19 AM
So Killing Fairies is ____________ (Fill in the blanks XD)
A- a necessary sacrifice in order to keep the abilities of humans and youkai from fading, which would make them vulnerable against possible invaders
B- Wwong! No huwting faiwiessss

etc:
- Touhou anime isn't canon..
- While the Bunbunmaru news could serve as paper wrap source for entertainment, this is why Akyu needs someone else to assume her role when she passes away
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Recon 5 on April 30, 2009, 01:02:23 PM
Akyu will replace herself. She reincarnates into the same person every time she dies in order to continue the Gensokyo Chronicle. Kind of like what happens to the Hourais except that she needs to make stops at Higan along the way.
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Jana on April 30, 2009, 01:11:36 PM
Yeah, but she needs a break between incarnations; she isn't reborn the instant she dies.

I don't remember if canon gave an explicit time frame or not, but I think it was 100 years between incarnations or something.
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Patoyo on May 01, 2009, 10:08:07 AM
Quote from: nemoma on April 29, 2009, 02:11:19 AM
OBJECTION!

So Killing Fairies is ____________ (Fill in the blanks XD)

If you don't kill them, THEY WILL KILL YOU!!!
That's self-defense right?
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Tapsa on May 01, 2009, 10:19:39 AM
Occasionally, the fairies won't even attack. They just do some loops and fly in formations with no intend of harming the player. In those occasions, you are a SAM site in middle of an airshow.
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Patoyo on May 01, 2009, 10:28:38 AM
But sometimes they will crash to you like a
kamikaze fighters.
Just look at EoSD stage 4
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Patoyo on May 01, 2009, 10:33:08 AM
BTW Lily Black-White?
Yay, another monochrome.!
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Tapsa on May 01, 2009, 10:52:05 AM
That's the difference between an airshow and kamikaze. You won't see those kickass stunt planes crashing to the spectators every day out of spite.
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Patoyo on May 01, 2009, 11:07:41 AM
Airshow, you mean danmaku throwing
fairies flying around?
That's dangerous. Got to evacuate the civilians
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Quintafeira12 on May 01, 2009, 11:22:24 AM
Quote from: T34G3 on May 01, 2009, 10:19:39 AM
Occasionally, the fairies won't even attack. They just do some loops and fly in formations with no intend of harming the player. In those occasions, you are a SAM site in middle of an airshow.

In those cases, the PC is just helping natural selection and evolution.

I mean, those fairies that foolishly put themselves in front of a famed Youkai exterminator and mass fairy murderer, they are just ASKING to be killed. If we let them live, they'l spread their stupidity genes and make it so there are more amounts of them in later stages. Fairies will cease to be afariad of the PC and might even start interrupting boss fights (more often).
For the good of the hardness level of stage 4+, and for the good of general fairy surviving as a species in long term, we have to kill them off. That's just how this is.

The correct comparison would be an airshow in the middle of a battlefield full of SAMs. Even if they aren't targets per say, they're risking being shot down in the crossed fire. If we let them be, they'll come back next week for another air show... I mean, at least if they are stupid enough to do it again...

This is considering, of course, that fairies have a really fast reproduction rate. Which they must have if there's so many willingly asking to be killed in PoFV
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Tapsa on May 01, 2009, 12:11:59 PM
Quote from: Quintafeira12 on May 01, 2009, 11:22:24 AM
The correct comparison would be an airshow in the middle of a battlefield full of SAMs.
same thing
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Quintafeira12 on May 01, 2009, 02:24:42 PM
Quote from: T34G3 on May 01, 2009, 12:11:59 PM
same thing

A SAM interrupting an airshow that was just being done without bothering anyone is not the same thing as an airshow putting itself in front of a SAM that was passing and shooting by, being an obvious danger. The airplanes should know better than to fly in there.

The difference is in wheter the SAM was after the airshow planes or after some other bigger plane that's urelated to the airshow.

Unless you meant the second in first place.
Title: Re: Lily Black
Post by: Tapsa on May 01, 2009, 03:24:37 PM
same thing

a SAM fires at hostile or unauthorized airplanes

fairies are hostile and/or unauthorized to get on your field of vision