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Title: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Helepolis on August 15, 2009, 05:48:35 PM
Touhou 12 ? Undefined Fantastic Object
This small article will cover globally the 12th release from ZUN, presented on Comiket 76 on 14th august 2009. A long awaited game for all Touhou fans because the game system has been totally changed. A lot of Demo players, including myself, were very anxious to see the rest of the stages and bosses. Let us dive into this article to discover the wonderful game with their splendid music.

(http://www.taihou.nl/touhou/th12title.png)

The storyline
A lot of people have mixed opinions about whether or not Touhou has a storyline. It doesn?t needs one as each version of the game is a mini plot, and that is what counts. Same goes for UFO. This is the deal in a nutshell:

Our heroines discover a giant ship floating in the sky. Each of them having their own interest head out to investigate the matter. But they are not alone, as more Youkais seem to be after it. What will be on our heroine?s adventurous path?


The girls are preparing
In 'Undefined Fantastic Object' three heroines will be the center of attention: Hakurei Reimu, Kirisame Marisa and the third, and rather unexpected heroine, is our one of a kind Miko from the Moriya Shrine: Kochiya Sanae. All three are playable characters in UFO and have two shot types blessed with quite flashy bombing animations. And for Marisa lovers, rejoice! She is back with her Master Spark!

I am sure most people had a lot of first impression by playing the demo. Instantly noting the refreshing new sprites and portraits for our heroines. Marisa seems to be promoting fashion as she braided a large M on her new skirt. Our other two shrine maidens have kept their original looks (as in dressing) but their sprite and portraits are a major improvement. Could it be that ZUN became more skilled in drawing? We can judge without any doubt that the first three bosses have improved sprites. Comparing them to the sprites in the previous game makes SA a joke almost.


Our loli opponents
So who are these new opponents brought to life by our drunken master ZUN? Below a list from Stage 1 to Extra. I am sure everybody is familiar with the first three bosses from the demo, but I will list them anyway (click on portraits for full body design as seen ingame):

(http://www.taihou.nl/touhou/nazrin.png) (http://www.taihou.nl/touhou/naz2.png)(http://www.taihou.nl/touhou/kogasa.png) (http://www.taihou.nl/touhou/koga2.png)(http://www.taihou.nl/touhou/ichirin.png) (http://www.taihou.nl/touhou/ichi2.png)(http://www.taihou.nl/touhou/murasa.png) (http://www.taihou.nl/touhou/mura2.png)(http://www.taihou.nl/touhou/nazrin2.png) (http://www.taihou.nl/touhou/naz3.png)(http://www.taihou.nl/touhou/shou.png) (http://www.taihou.nl/touhou/shou2.png)(http://www.taihou.nl/touhou/hiziri.png) (http://www.taihou.nl/touhou/hiji2.png)(http://www.taihou.nl/touhou/nue.png) (http://www.taihou.nl/touhou/nue2.png)
Portraits shown in stage and appearance order

Stage 1 boss ? Nazrin (also midboss)
A cheerful mouse who is holding rather strange equipment as her tools. She appears in stage 1 with the same motive, in search for treasure.

Stage 2 boss ? Tatara Kogasa (also midboss)
Kogasa is a forgotten umbrella who transformed into a youkai over time and developed a body. The large purple umbrella holds one eye with a large tongue. Her body which is holding the umbrella has two eye colours. The boss is obviously inspired from the classical Japanese ghosts: Karakasa

Stage 3 boss ? Kumoi Ichirin & Unzan. (also midboss)
Ichirin appears as type of nun/pirate together with her controllable cloud Unzan in stage three. She is somehow trying to prevent you from entering the ship. The boss becomes quite interesting once Unzan?s fists start showing up on your screen. It feels like being double teamed.

Stage 4 midboss ? Strange blue spirit
The midboss in this stage is a weird spirit in the form of a glowing ball spraying danmaku. It doesn?t have a lifebar, so you will have to survive it. However, it spawns the same fallen fairies Rin does from Subterranean Animism.

Stage 4 boss ? Captain Minamitsu Murasa
Most people, including me, expected a pirate loli girl. But we got totally surprised and did not think of the other typical character: A marine captain of the ship which our heroines were trying to enter. She wields a large anchor and dipper.

Stage 5 midboss ? Nazrin
Nazrin makes a brief return in stage 5. Her portrait is changed holding a strange glowing item (a lantern?). Her spellcards are also totally different in looks. Normally in the older games, the spellcards would somehow be similar to their boss ones.

Stage 5 boss ? Toramaru Shou
She appears in a pretty fancy tiger patterned dress holding the same lantern Nazrin was before with a spear. She gives me a feeling of being some kind of Aztec or ancient civilization. You will be quite surprised when she uses the same techniques Nazrin does.

Stage 6 midboss ? Strange blue spirit
The same one you encounter in stage four with more difficult patterns. Again here you need to sit and survive.

Stage 6 boss ? Hijiri Byakuren
When she appears you will be stunned by her beauty, at least I was. She has a smooth smile and it looks all dreamy and fake. But don?t be fooled because she has quite a challenging for you.

Extra midboss ? Tatara Kogasa
Kogasa makes a return in the extra stage as a midboss trying to prevent from reaching the extra boss. Equipped with lasers, she will give you a hard time.

Extra boss ? Houjuu Nue
Nue?s appearance is awfully reminding of Flandre. Her weird wings which look like scythes and snakes give the appearance of a reaper. Her specialty is to control and command small ufo familiars.


Game mechanics
ZUN has thrown the entire game mechanism back to the pre-Touhou 8 style. Bombs and lives are separated making them no longer depended on your power. Your power is calculated as in MoF and SA where 1.00 is standard and weak with 4.00 as a maximum.

Unique addition to the game are the Undefined Fantastic Objects (UFOs) that appear when collecting either three the same colours from the fairies or one of each colour. Upon appearing, it will start sucking in all power and point items filling it up. Once full it will glow and reward you with a bonus item which are very handy on your journey. These vary from large power items to lives and bombs.


Looks, sounds and music
What really differs from the previous games are the looks. ZUN seems to have dedicated quite a lot of attention to looks and animations as everything looks smooth and flashy. Every boss has a clearly a smoother animation while idling, attacking and way better portrait designs. Rest assure! No thumb faces on the girls! The backgrounds are nicely animated during spellcards which gives the entire boss fight a good look.

A small set of new bullets are introduced to be used by the bosses respectively. A few examples are the waterdrop bullets used by Captain Minamitsu Murasa and glowing pink bullets by Toramaru Shou and Hijiri Byakuren.

The stage musics are fitting and are unique in their kind. Though you can still hear and feel that typical ?Touhou style? in the arrangements. I am not going to make any personal opinions about the tracks as it is no use in this small post. All I can say is a lot of music tracks are too much reminding of the older game songs. The best example would be Nue?s theme being very close to Flandre?s U.N Owen.

Finally a small set of sound effects have been added. We already know the ?humming/buzzing? sound Unzan makes when appearing, but some laser beams, used by Nazrin, Shou and Hijiri remind me of a boat horn combined with the sound of an electric beam.


Conclusion
What would be a good reason to play Undefined Fanastic Object you would ask. I would say: Nothing. If you are a true Touhou fan you don?t make exceptions and go play and experience it yourself. Judgments can be always made based on your personal opinions such as taste for music and spellcards. More beautiful graphics, the classic bombing system and a rather interesting UFO collecting system changes the gameplay again. For the love of our Touhou girls, please play.

Final words: If I only lived (or were) in Japan now to attend the Comiket =(

'Helepolis'

(http://i30.tinypic.com/2e2go06.png) (http://i25.tinypic.com/w80rq1.png) (http://i25.tinypic.com/wgtj0p.png) (http://i25.tinypic.com/24gls74.jpg) (http://i27.tinypic.com/2w4cwac.png) (http://i27.tinypic.com/2dvrk7l.png)
few teasing screenshots
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Gpop on August 15, 2009, 06:10:37 PM
Awesome thread.

Anyways, played it for the first time on normal. I died on Murasa's survival as I lost a whole load of lives at the stage due to eagerness and recklessness. Too eager to get those red UFOs.

But it seems really easy for Normal. Who agrees with me on this?
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Slaves on August 15, 2009, 06:19:09 PM
i should really get off of MoTK. i have to wait at least 7 hours so i can get home and play it, and waiting around here to pass the time is like gouging my eyes out with my fingernails and then dipping my head in acid.

but yeah Heian Alien is still awesome
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Nine West on August 15, 2009, 06:19:27 PM
Gahh, I really should play this, which probably won't happen until tomorrow...

Anyways, good job, Hele; I see that Aya have a new recruit, huh.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Tenbatsu! Myon Rabbie on August 15, 2009, 06:19:35 PM
The Tiger-Patterned Vaisravana IS THE SHIT!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqCDd2g9HEk

Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Tengukami on August 15, 2009, 06:19:55 PM
Oh wow. Nicely done, Helepolis.

Everything about this game just impresses the hell out of me. One small caveat:

Stage 4 midboss ? Strange blue spirit
The midboss in this stage is a weird spirit in the form of a glowing ball spraying danmaku. It doesn?t have a lifebar, so you will have to survive it. However, it spawns the same fallen fairies Rin does from Subterranean Animism.

It should be added that if you die or bomb on it's attacks, it drops you a bomb. If you clear all the attacks, you get an extra life. This I found very helpful before ANCHORS AWEIGH!
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Drayen on August 15, 2009, 06:21:50 PM
Stage4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvHAJxhPBxs
Stage5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYqvDet61f4
Stage6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r4jslmcIqg

all on normal, good stuff imo.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: sohvan on August 15, 2009, 06:22:14 PM
Overall I'd say it's easier than SA, but harder than something like Mountain of Faith on normal.

Just managed to unlock the extra stage. I'll spoiler the comments just in case someone wants to see it for themselves the first time.

The stage music seems odd for an extra stage music, and I don't think I like it. Seems a bit mellow for an extra stage. The boss theme seems a lot better, though. Nue is indeed the glowing vortex from stages 4 and 6.

Kogasa has stolen the Mt Ooe spellcard from Yuugi for her second attack. It only comes from one side and with less bullets, though. Her third spellcard is just weird, and I don't know what to think about it. The lasers solidify the exact moment they stop moving, so you need to look for a safe spot while the lasers are still on the move. Her first attack is very easy.

Almost all of the extra stage ufos are one-colored, which is an odd change of pace from the regular game. Killed ufos still drop color-changing pieces, though.

As for Nue herself, I've only seen a handful of attacks. The first few were very easy, but the curving lasers return in green color this time, and you can't bomb through them this being the extra stage. I have a feeling that spellcard is going to cause me some headaches  :)
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Gpop on August 15, 2009, 06:23:02 PM
but yeah Heian Alien is still awesome

100% fact.

Also, spoilers not needed here anymore.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Tengukami on August 15, 2009, 06:25:19 PM
Her third spellcard is just weird, and I don't know what to think about it. The lasers solidify the exact moment they stop moving, so you need to look for a safe spot while the lasers are still on the move.

Heh. Didn't Satori have a similar attack? If so, that's actually refreshing, as I found that one pretty easy to get through.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Slaves on August 15, 2009, 06:28:12 PM
Her third spellcard is just weird, and I don't know what to think about it. The lasers solidify the exact moment they stop moving, so you need to look for a safe spot while the lasers are still on the move.

Heh. Didn't Satori have a similar attack? If so, that's actually refreshing, as I found that one pretty easy to get through.

yeah, but hers was on a much smaller scale and had pauses in between. Tatara's covers the whole screen and gradually gets faster.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Tengukami on August 15, 2009, 06:29:57 PM
Her third spellcard is just weird, and I don't know what to think about it. The lasers solidify the exact moment they stop moving, so you need to look for a safe spot while the lasers are still on the move.

Heh. Didn't Satori have a similar attack? If so, that's actually refreshing, as I found that one pretty easy to get through.

yeah, but hers was on a much smaller scale and had pauses in between. Tatara's covers the whole screen and gradually gets faster.

Eek! Something to look forward to then ...
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Nine West on August 15, 2009, 06:30:43 PM
Am I the only one who haven't played the game around here...
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Slaves on August 15, 2009, 06:34:08 PM
Am I the only one who haven't played the game around here...

see my above post :|

but i've been watching the videos of the stages(with the sound off of course) for a while now

well, minus the extra stage. that one was too tempting.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Cadmas on August 15, 2009, 06:35:08 PM
Quote
Am I the only one who haven't played the game around here...

I'm waiting till the English patch.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on August 15, 2009, 06:36:30 PM
Awesome report there, Hele.
I was also quite smitten when seeing Hijiri's portrait. It must be one of ZUN's most beautiful drawings.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Helepolis on August 15, 2009, 06:41:32 PM
Thanks all, it was my first time writing such article and it was quite an honour to write about UFO on the news page as 'one of the first'.

I said it at the opening of the post but I will repeat it again here: this is mere a global article covering globally the game. Indept things such as specific drops / tactics / events etc are all left out as I have nowhere the knowledge to judge even about those things. Even though, the idea is to give people first impression and a 'tell-tale' story post. I'll add perhaps a few ingame screenshots eventually.

Surely our godlike lunatic/hard mode players will write a full detail post at the Touhou section explaining the cards and stage tactics.

Glad to be of service.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Slaves on August 15, 2009, 06:44:33 PM
just looking around on the wiki, i found something interesting:

"Nue has no visible pupils. "

omg she doesnt DOHOHOHO

that's neat.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Tengukami on August 15, 2009, 06:47:06 PM
Who needs pupils when you have thoes giant bad-ass wings?
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Nine West on August 15, 2009, 06:47:48 PM
i should really get off of MoTK. i have to wait at least 7 hours so i can get home and play it, and waiting around here to pass the time is like gouging my eyes out with my fingernails and then dipping my head in acid.
I'm waiting till the English patch.

Well, good to know that there are few others who haven't played it yet.

After looking around more, many people here seem to be taken in by UFO characters... I guess the hype is still quite high.

In the meantime, I'll listen to more UFO soundtracks...

Quote
Nue has no visible pupils.

And the memes will arise.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Alfred F. Jones on August 15, 2009, 06:48:06 PM
OHMYGAWD

IT IS MY SOUL MATE

SCREW YUMEMI, SHIKIEIKI, EVERYBODY, BYAKUREN IS MY ONE TRUE LOVE

YEAH YOU HEARD ME

Also fuck yeah Kogasa finally surprised us all
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: RainfallYoshi on August 15, 2009, 06:49:41 PM
Ladies and gents, we have a new sailor girl, bringing the population to 2.

This excites me very much. I'm still waiting on Captain Murasa vs Chiyuri art.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Caber Knight Etch-A-Sketch on August 15, 2009, 06:53:44 PM
I think that the thing Nue holds is a guide-cane of sorts and Nazrin is a sort of guide-dog (or mouse as it were). Either that or she gets around using echo-location, like what a bat does. Flandre's related to bats, so...
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Slaves on August 15, 2009, 06:55:39 PM
looking on the wiki again, i find this:

"A meme is starting to develop with Byakuren having a broken arm, because its in such an awkward angle"

and so it begins..
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Nine West on August 15, 2009, 06:56:12 PM
SCREW YUMEMI

Great, I am now the #1 Yumemi fan, finally.

Also,

UFO sure is revolutionary...

EDIT:
Quote
A meme is starting to develop with Byakuren having a broken arm, because its in such an awkward angle
Holy... that fast!?

DOUBLE EDIT:
Quote
Because of her and Minamitsu Murasa's relationship and character designs, some fans have described them as newer versions of Yumemi Okazaki and Chiyuri Kitashirakawa
I will NOT accept this.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on August 15, 2009, 06:59:55 PM
IT IS MY SOUL MATE
I GOT HERE FIRST
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Alfred F. Jones on August 15, 2009, 07:07:11 PM
SCREW YUMEMI

Great, I am now the #1 Yumemi fan, finally.

Mmmhmm. At least for today. I'll probably go back to lovin' strawberries, but for today at least, I'm going to cheat on her like mad.

IT IS MY SOUL MATE
I GOT HERE FIRST

FUCK YOU I WAS POSTING SCREENIES SINCE YESTERDAY
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Helepolis on August 15, 2009, 07:07:46 PM
The memes . . . the memes !! Why mr anderson, why why WHY?!

 :V You people, shame on yourself for abandoning your original girls! My faith will remain in the Mistress Remilia.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Slaves on August 15, 2009, 07:12:19 PM
Suwako and Koishi are still my favorites.

Nue's on there now though. i mean, how can you not love her? she tried to mess up everyone cause she thought it'd be funny. GOLDEN CHARACTER
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Caber Knight Etch-A-Sketch on August 15, 2009, 07:14:05 PM
she tried to mess up everyone cause she thought it'd be funny.

Now if she was masochistic, we'd have a playmate for Yuka and Tenshi.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Suikama on August 15, 2009, 07:20:31 PM
Damn the last boss' Shinki attack ;__;
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Alfred F. Jones on August 15, 2009, 07:26:31 PM
Ah, that? I thought Samidare did a better job:

(http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/3415/samidarehijacklol.jpg)

As much as I am lovin' the fact that Byakuren is Shinki / Youkai Jesus, I'm with the elevens on this one; they seem to have mixed reactions between "It's good that ZUN hasn't forgotten his early works" and "SHINKI-SAMAAAA".

Basically I got trolled as a PC-98 fan. Oh god why wasn't Yumemi the final boss T_T Nonono I must keep loving Byakuren aaaaaah
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Helix ⑨ on August 15, 2009, 07:27:59 PM
Where are you guys getting this game? Can you download it? (talking about legal here by paying. cause illegal isn't allowed here I think)
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Tengukami on August 15, 2009, 07:28:16 PM
I've never ragequit a game as hard as I've ragequit Samidare.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Suikama on August 15, 2009, 07:31:38 PM
I've never ragequit a game as hard as I've ragequit Samidare.
This =<

Actually Seihou is worse
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Alfred F. Jones on August 15, 2009, 07:32:38 PM
I've never ragequit a game as hard as I've ragequit Samidare.

lrn2shield

In unrelated news I don't like Nue*. At all. And I shall insult her within earshot of ALL OF YOU.

*or her theme music or her design or even her NAME and she STOLE YUMEMI'S SPOT AS EXTRA STAGE BOSS SCREW HER TO HELL
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on August 15, 2009, 07:33:16 PM
I've only seen Samidare videos.
I crapped my pants. Hard.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Moerin on August 15, 2009, 07:35:59 PM
I don't like Nue*. At all. And I shall insult her within earshot of ALL OF YOU.

You hear that, Ruro?  That's the sound of my heart breaking in two!
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: -Mao- on August 15, 2009, 07:36:14 PM
Oh my, an actual cute boss character at the later stages.

I must say the Byakuran moe has infested this forum's users.

I alread saw 4 users going for Byakuran.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on August 15, 2009, 07:37:15 PM
You hear that, Ruro?  That's the sound of my heart breaking in two!
RURO V/S THEO
GOGOGO
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Alfred F. Jones on August 15, 2009, 07:38:13 PM
You hear that, Ruro?  That's the sound of my heart breaking in two!
RURO V/S THEO
GOGOGO

This will end in selfcest.

MAY THE BEST WOMAN WIN
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Letty Whiterock on August 15, 2009, 07:39:44 PM
Where are you guys getting this game? Can you download it? (talking about legal here by paying. cause illegal isn't allowed here I think)
With the exception of a few people who actually got to be at C76, of course these people downloaded it. Finding downloads for Touhou games is not difficult. We simply will not actively help you find it, and we ask that you don't even bother trying to get a method out of us.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Nine West on August 15, 2009, 07:40:26 PM
(RAGE)

Well, I can safely say that NONE of the UFO characters made it to my top 10... at least for now.

Top UFO character as of today: Nue.

EDIT:
I alread saw 4 users going for Byakuran.
THE HYPE!!
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: DgBarca on August 15, 2009, 07:42:19 PM
There is a enormous difference between Easy and Normal...Easy modo was TOO easy...I can't reach stage 5 in normal...>_< (At least I normally reach SA stage 6)
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Jana on August 15, 2009, 07:42:57 PM
I might let the new characters into my favorites... If I had a chance to play.
When I tried earlier, I had a beautiful run going... Until I lost all 5 lives to Kogasa because people wouldn't leave me alone.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Helix ⑨ on August 15, 2009, 07:45:28 PM
Where are you guys getting this game? Can you download it? (talking about legal here by paying. cause illegal isn't allowed here I think)
With the exception of a few people who actually got to be at C76, of course these people downloaded it. Finding downloads for Touhou games is not difficult. We simply will not actively help you find it, and we ask that you don't even bother trying to get a method out of us.
I seem to fail at looking then  :(
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Moerin on August 15, 2009, 07:45:54 PM
You hear that, Ruro?  That's the sound of my heart breaking in two!
RURO V/S THEO
GOGOGO

This will end in selfcest.

MAY THE BEST WOMAN WIN

Y'know what?  I hate Byaku... I hate Bya... I hate...

...

...I can't do it.  I can't bring myself to hate Youkai Jesus just because of this.  But still... ... ...

/me begins to plot revenge against Ruro... Then realises he can't go through with it, breaks down and cries in the corner.

I mean, I could get over the fact that she's not Yumemi...
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Helepolis on August 15, 2009, 07:48:12 PM
I seem to fail at looking then  :(
Try looking harder at the top of 'Touhou Addict Recovery Center' section.

Theorist, I am so dissapointed in you leaving your Rin Satsuke (who never excisted) and trading her for a Flandre lookalike. You wouldn't even accept my Satsuki flip image =[
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on August 15, 2009, 07:49:36 PM
/me begins to plot revenge against Ruro... Then realises he can't go through with it, breaks down and cries in the corner.
Should I do it for you?
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Post by: Alfred F. Jones on August 15, 2009, 07:50:21 PM
Oh god Cap'n Murasa has awesome music, it's much better than the bad UNOwen remix that is Nue's theme.

oh god stop reminding me that I'm such a horrible human being Theorist ;_;

/me hugs Theorin

Comiket > Christmas
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Moerin on August 15, 2009, 07:52:35 PM
Theorist, I am so dissapointed in you leaving your Rin Satsuke (who never excisted) and trading her for a Flandre lookalike.

As I explained elsewhere, this is only a temporary thing.  I'll be back with Rin soon enough~

...And to tell you the truth, apart from the fact that she has strange wings, I can never see the similarity between Nue and Flan.  I'm utterly baffled as to why people think Heian Alien sounds like U.N. Owen, too.

...much better than the bad UNOwen remix that is Nue's theme.

oh god stop reminding me that I'm such a horrible human being Theorist ;_;

/me hugs Theorin

IT DOESN'T SOUND ANYTHING LIKE U.N. OWEN!
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: shinyjam on August 15, 2009, 07:52:46 PM
So..what is that giant thing the size of a mountain in the preview suppose to be?
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Sodium on August 15, 2009, 07:52:57 PM
We here at MoTK do not Advocate nor Condemn Piracy(I think). Please stop talking about it.

Thank you. MoTK mana-wait, I'm not part of MoTK's staff. Whatever.

And you'd think TSO would post a warning like in the previous topic. =V
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Helix ⑨ on August 15, 2009, 07:53:37 PM
I seem to fail at looking then  :(
Try looking harder at the top of 'Touhou Addict Recovery Center' section.

Theorist, I am so dissapointed in you leaving your Rin Satsuke (who never excisted) and trading her for a Flandre lookalike. You wouldn't even accept my Satsuki flip image =[
I feel ashamed  :'(
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Gpop on August 15, 2009, 07:54:15 PM
Suwako and Koishi are still my favorites.

<3
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Letty Whiterock on August 15, 2009, 07:55:37 PM
We here at MoTK do not Advocate nor Condemn Piracy(I think). Please stop talking about it.

Thank you. MoTK mana-wait, I'm not part of MoTK's staff. Whatever.

And you'd think TSO would post a warning like in the previous topic. =V
Don't backseat mod. The person asked a completely understandable question (where everyone is getting the game; they even asked if there's a legal means to do so), and I responded to it. We actual MotK management will handle this. Do not try and do our job for us.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Nine West on August 15, 2009, 07:56:23 PM
I mean, I could get over the fact that she's not Yumemi...

She is not.

I repeat, SHE IS NOT.

Quote
Because of her and Minamitsu Murasa's relationship and character designs, some fans have described them as newer versions of Yumemi Okazaki and Chiyuri Kitashirakawa

Most hated statement of the year...

Also, crosses owns rune-scrolls any day.


I'm utterly baffled as to why people think Heian Alien sounds like U.N. Owen, too.

Both are gothic lolita-ish themes, go figure.

So..what is that giant thing the size of a mountain in the preview suppose to be?

That's for Hisoutensoku, I think.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Alice Fact on August 15, 2009, 07:56:37 PM
I seem to fail at looking then  :(
stop failing at it and also quit talking about it

seriously, these are doujins for god's sake, you can afford them at some point if you can afford just about anything commercial, and forces are willing to sell you copies at almost anytime
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Letty Whiterock on August 15, 2009, 07:59:07 PM
seriously, these are doujins for god's sake, you can afford them at some point if you can afford just about anything commercial, and forces are willing to sell you copies at almost anytime
This is not a matter of affording it or not. This is a matter of "Where can I find this game?", and the fact is that it's literally the day after the Comiket release, so I don't think it's commercially available anywhere right now. There is absolutely nothing wrong with asking "How are you all playing this?" if there does happen to be some store selling copies of the game RIGHT NOW.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Alice Fact on August 15, 2009, 07:59:50 PM
stop torrenting C76 crap for a minute and read what I said again ffff
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Djinova on August 15, 2009, 07:59:59 PM
Haven't touch the game or anything. Just saw some replay footages of all new characters.

Byakuren is super, I like her best so far. She's the Yuyuko/Yukari type and it's a welcomed change to the robust, pompous boss that was Utsuho in the last game. Her theme is also very lovely, especially the calmer intersections, and fits her image.

On the other hand you got a very bizarre extra boss with all the fast and chaotic danmaku that should just be like that. Nuu is another interesting creation.

I won't be able to play it till next week. Too much stuff going on around I need to solve first. :)
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: FinnKaenbyou on August 15, 2009, 08:00:40 PM
And with all the fighting over Murasa, Byakuren and Nue, I seem to have Shou all to myself.

Except as soon as I heard she was a tiger youkai, the mental image of Fujimura Taiga fell in and will never get out.
But then again Taiga is awesome, so yeah. :/
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Letty Whiterock on August 15, 2009, 08:01:20 PM
stop torrenting C76 crap for a minute and read what I said again ffff
I did read what you said, and I agree with it. It's just irrelevant to the matter at hand.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Helepolis on August 15, 2009, 08:04:07 PM
And with all the fighting over Murasa, Byakuren and Nue, I seem to have Shou all to myself.

Except as soon as I heard she was a tiger youkai, the mental image of Fujimura Taiga fell in and will never get out.
But then again Taiga is awesome, so yeah. :/

Tigers are awesome animals imo. I prefer them over Lions. And also nobody seems to put Murasa-senchou in their avatar. No love for the loli ghost.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Alfred F. Jones on August 15, 2009, 08:04:43 PM
As I explained elsewhere, this is only a temporary thing.  I'll be back with Rin soon enough~

So basically, you're cheating on Rin Satsuki, and I'm cheating on Yumemi?

\o/

and yes Heian Alien sounds like U.N.Owen, perhaps hearing how BAD the song is has deafened you

Except as soon as I heard she was a tiger youkai, the mental image of Fujimura Taiga fell in and will never get out.
But then again Taiga is awesome, so yeah. :/

Oh goody, I knew I couldn't have been the only one.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Slaves on August 15, 2009, 08:05:43 PM
In unrelated news I don't like Nue*. At all. And I shall insult her within earshot of ALL OF YOU.

*or her theme music or her design or even her NAME and she STOLE YUMEMI'S SPOT AS EXTRA STAGE BOSS SCREW HER TO HELL

I don't like Yumemi*.

*because i wanted new characters and not dead hopeless ones that WILL NOT BE COMING BACK
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Nine West on August 15, 2009, 08:06:38 PM
And with all the fighting over Murasa, Byakuren and Nue, I seem to have Shou all to myself.

Except as soon as I heard she was a tiger youkai, the mental image of Fujimura Taiga fell in and will never get out.
But then again Taiga is awesome, so yeah. :/

Tigers are awesome animals imo. I prefer them over Lions. And also nobody seems to put Murasa-senchou in their avatar. No love for the loli ghost.

Murasa Mode did, but Drake took the anchor instead...

Also, Myon seems to be taking Syou as well.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Slaves on August 15, 2009, 08:08:37 PM
IT DOESN'T SOUND ANYTHING LIKE U.N. OWEN!

the bells  at :12-:30 in her theme sound like UN Owen.

but seriously you guys shut the fuck up and get on topic before TSO comes in and brings JUSTICE
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Moerin on August 15, 2009, 08:10:21 PM
Completely different tempo and style, completely different tempo and style, completely different tempo and style...

...IT SOUNDS NOTHING LIKE IT AT ALL!

... ... ...This is going to be that one thing that tears away the small shred of sanity I still have, isn't it?

And really, apart from the fact that she's an EX boss with strange wings, she's NOTHING like Flan!

...Calm down, calm down...

Ahem... Anyway... Um... Such a shame Ichirin never got to show up again as a midboss, isn't it?  Right?
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Alfred F. Jones on August 15, 2009, 08:11:28 PM
Who's Ichirin?

:V

I only got up recently, so can someone clear up what happened with Ichirin's "sister"? Was it really just referring to her superior?
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Tengukami on August 15, 2009, 08:12:16 PM
Well so far I've found all the A's work best for me, with Marisa A having a surprisingly powerful shotgun ability. I'll still stick with Sanae A though, despite all reports to Sanae B's awesomeness. I'm not doubting B is great and all, but I have better success with A.

Also, is it just me or did Kogasa become more powerful in the full version? Seems spellcards that I used to get in no time I'm actually having to time out.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Moerin on August 15, 2009, 08:13:37 PM
I only got up recently, so can someone clear up what happened with Ichirin's "sister"? Was it really just referring to her superior?

Yes, it was refering to her superior, Youkai Jesus.  Which makes me believe she's supposed to be a nun even more.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: FinnKaenbyou on August 15, 2009, 08:16:13 PM
Also, Myon seems to be taking Syou as well.
Oh it's ON now.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ms/8/82/Fujimura_Taiga_FSN.jpg)

BRING IT, MYON.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Helepolis on August 15, 2009, 08:16:39 PM
Back on topic:

I am sure alot of people can read japanese. So what are like the dialogues about when reaching Byakuren and Nue? What are their motives or goals?

I am somewhat extremely curious about the dialogues because Sanae and Reimu are acting really bitchy and cold towards the first three bosses.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Alfred F. Jones on August 15, 2009, 08:17:16 PM
I only got up recently, so can someone clear up what happened with Ichirin's "sister"? Was it really just referring to her superior?

Yes, it was refering to her superior, Youkai Jesus.  Which makes me believe she's supposed to be a nun even more.

Byakuren (kinda) died for your sins!
And... er... her own, apparently, but that's just semantics

Awwright, now I gotta sit down and work out a plot, all of this is kinda confusinHOLY CRAP WE REALLY ARE IN MAKAI AWW YEAH
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: FinnKaenbyou on August 15, 2009, 08:17:46 PM
Actually apparently I have to withdraw my previous challenge, because the GMs over at Mafia are raging at me for changing my name. >_>

YOU WIN THIS ROUND, MYON.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Kojiremi on August 15, 2009, 08:19:55 PM
The memes . . . the memes !! Why mr anderson, why why WHY?!

 :V You people, shame on yourself for abandoning your original girls! My faith will remain in the Mistress Remilia.
Same here brah :V Remi is still my fave. Nothing wrong with a heartwarm welcome for the new girls though. I like the new girls but I need to break them into me like i did all the other chars. Don't know much about them at the moment. Just their motives and reasons for doing what they did. I wanna get some meat on their characters before anything else.

As for Nue's theme. well hearing it "reminds" you of Flandre's. there are pieces that sound like it yeah but its like a 30-40% sameness if you ask me. just reminds me of Flan's that's all. Plus her char has really odd wings which of course (Like Flan's) don't seem organic at all. So they too "feels" like Flandre's. They are the only 2 chars who's wings raise some serious eyebrows and make you go "WTF?" or "oooohhh! that's nice!" or something. Then she has a pitchfork-like weapon. Who knows if its just a pitchfork or some Mythical weapon. Thanks to those 3 things I can see why a lot of people would think that Nue's char design is based on Flandre. Whether she is or not *shrug* i dunno but it seems reasonable to say that she might have been. Until we get more details on them all its merely speculations and feelings of the char.

BTW Nice job on the article Hele hehe.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Tengukami on August 15, 2009, 08:24:40 PM
Hey, just wondering - have any other Touhou characters had some sort of military/official title before their given names? Or is our Captain the first? Because I can't think of any others off the top of my head.
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Post by: Nine West on August 15, 2009, 08:28:02 PM
Hey, just wondering - have any other Touhou characters had some sort of military/official title before their given names? Or is our Captain the first? Because I can't think of any others off the top of my head.

She's the only one who possesses a title. (http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Minamitsu_Murasa)
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: stassy on August 15, 2009, 08:31:59 PM
Any replay file for lunatic/extra run yet? :p
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Rikter on August 15, 2009, 08:39:56 PM

Hey, just wondering - have any other Touhou characters had some sort of military/official title before their given names? Or is our Captain the first? Because I can't think of any others off the top of my head.


I remember reading that Shikeiki's last name was technicaly A title on the Wiki. But it comes after her name...

Anyways Heian Alien is yet another theme I enjoy. And the more I listen to it it sounds less and less like U.N. Owen.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Tengukami on August 15, 2009, 08:42:15 PM
I haven't heard the theme yet (I'm not quite that good a player, and my work actually blocks YouTube), but I love the title "Heian Alien". The Heian period reminds me of everything romantic and ornate about medieval Japan. Combine that with aliens and you just can't go wrong.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Helepolis on August 15, 2009, 08:59:35 PM
@ stassy, Extra replays are uploaded by 'Krim' and 'Bjw' on the replay.gensokyo website.

Shiki Eiki has indeed a title aswell, but it is somewhat unclear among the public how her name should be written. Though I believe the Yamaxanadu explanation is fun facts and don't know if it is canonically confirmed. I simply refer to her as Shiki Eiki where Shiki being her family name.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on August 15, 2009, 09:02:51 PM
Though I believe the Yamaxanadu explanation is fun facts and don't know if it is canonically confirmed.
IIRC, Perfect Memento did confirm this.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Nine West on August 15, 2009, 09:06:46 PM
Shiki's title comes after her name, which is not as impressive as the 'Captain' in front of Murasa's name, in my opinion.

Can't wait for crappy fanfics of UFO, now...
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Post by: Tengukami on August 15, 2009, 09:15:31 PM
1000 internets to whoever incorporates a Captain & Tenille song into a UFO fanpic.

Is my age showing? Excuse me, I think I dropped my cane ...
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Cadmas on August 15, 2009, 09:22:41 PM
Yicks what happened? I get the feeling I should hide around a lily pad. :S

I'll just say Nue's theme sounds like it should be in Dark Cloud. Definitely sounds like a final boss theme.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Slaves on August 15, 2009, 09:29:39 PM
I haven't heard the theme yet (I'm not quite that good a player, and my work actually blocks YouTube), but I love the title "Heian Alien". The Heian period reminds me of everything romantic and ornate about medieval Japan. Combine that with aliens and you just can't go wrong.

her theme sounds more sinister than romantic, honestly. the first time i heard it i got chills.

ZUN is FABULOUS as usual. and i haven't even listened to anything other than the extra stage theme(which is growing on me) and the extra boss theme
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: homing curvy laser on August 15, 2009, 09:47:23 PM
Any interesting replays yet? Preferentially from Extra because I know I'm never going to unlock it
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Suikama on August 15, 2009, 09:54:17 PM
The extra boss looks... pretty easy actually. Some of her spellcards are almost trival, and Kogasa's last spell is laughable (although I think it gets pretty hard if you time it out).

Then again I haven't actually tried it. Also the stage portion looks like rape.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Tengukami on August 15, 2009, 09:56:43 PM
I haven't heard the theme yet (I'm not quite that good a player, and my work actually blocks YouTube), but I love the title "Heian Alien". The Heian period reminds me of everything romantic and ornate about medieval Japan. Combine that with aliens and you just can't go wrong.

her theme sounds more sinister than romantic, honestly. the first time i heard it i got chills.

ZUN is FABULOUS as usual. and i haven't even listened to anything other than the extra stage theme(which is growing on me) and the extra boss theme

Listening to it now ... and yeah, the first minute or so is reminiscent of UN Owen Was Her, with those arpeggios and Burtonesque decrescendos and all, but then it goes into this kind of ... mellow? ... folk-jazzy piece that I wouldn't think would fit in at all but actually transitions very smoothly. I rather like it. It's like what UN Owen Was Her would become if ZUN had composed it at the age he is now.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: SP on August 15, 2009, 09:58:30 PM
The extra boss looks... pretty easy actually. Some of her spellcards are almost trival, and Kogasa's last spell is laughable (although I think it gets pretty hard if you time it out).

Then again I haven't actually tried it. Also the stage portion looks like rape.

Try it yourself, seriously.

Kogasa's laser spin messed with my head, first attack walls, second attack is fast paced insanity.  Nue has some easier attacks, but that's comparable to other extras.  She does, however, have some really nasty attacks near the end.

My extra clear -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz4s-kDQL-8&fmt=22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR4jiVdL78o&fmt=22

Harder than it looks, I guess.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Tengukami on August 15, 2009, 10:04:47 PM
Harder than it looks, I guess.

Rest assured that looked pretty hard to me. O_O
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: LiteYear on August 15, 2009, 10:11:04 PM
Yeah, looks pretty challenging to me as well :)
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Drake on August 15, 2009, 10:11:12 PM
Heian Alien also reminds me of Hartmann's, at points the notes seem the same. Same key signature?
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: RainfallYoshi on August 15, 2009, 10:16:30 PM
And with all the fighting over Murasa, Byakuren and Nue, I seem to have Shou all to myself.

Except as soon as I heard she was a tiger youkai, the mental image of Fujimura Taiga fell in and will never get out.
But then again Taiga is awesome, so yeah. :/

And I got to claim the Touhou's resident nun. Woo! I just hope she doesn't get a hold of a ruler...
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Slaves on August 15, 2009, 10:19:07 PM
Any interesting replays yet? Preferentially from Extra because I know I'm never going to unlock it

well it's not a replay, but this guy uploaded 3 videos of the extra stage on Youtube.

here's part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWPK693EFcQ&feature=quicklist), just check their other videos for the other parts.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Letty Whiterock on August 15, 2009, 10:33:35 PM
It's like what UN Owen Was Her would become if ZUN had composed it at the age he is now.
If ZUN had composed U.N.Owen now, it probably would've sounded like Sunny Milk's Scarlet Mist Disaster.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: stevarn on August 15, 2009, 10:39:18 PM
Any official game rips/soundtrack yet? All I did was upload Heian Alien on youtube but my method of recording wasnt the best...
On a random side note please watch it to make it the number 1 Heian Alien on youtube ><
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Nine West on August 15, 2009, 10:41:29 PM
If ZUN had composed U.N.Owen now, it probably would've sounded like Sunny Milk's Scarlet Mist Disaster.
Quote
U.N. Owen Was Her? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIop055eJh)
Quote
Sunny Milk's Scarlet Mist Incident (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAjxo_yB9ek)

Whoa
THEY'RE JUST ABOUT THE SAME.

Of course, it's a remix.

I need to pay more attention to ZUN's Music CDs, it seems.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Mima on August 15, 2009, 10:46:01 PM
1cc'd Normal.

Thoughts: The game itself grew on me. I entered the game hating it from the demo and while Stages 1-3 remind rather uninteresting, Stages 4-6 kicked the difficulty up to an enjoyable level.

Characters are what I always said; bland. This game has the worst cast in a game yet.

Music: Another weak area. There's only around 3 tracks that I'll consider listening to out of game. Another poor job.

Spell cards: Fun, this game they focused on the fireball-like bullets and scenarios where you are tightly surrounded, which was one of my weak areas. Great for training.

What I think should happen for Touhou 13? No more new characters, they're getting stale. The vast majority of people I have asked have said that SWRS was superior to UFO cast-wise which I agree with. The series has a lot of good characters, we don't need any more. Music also needs an improvement, it was highly bland and unmemorable which is unusual for a Touhou game.

Best moment of the game: The final boss using one of the most memorable attacks from the PC-98 series on you, Shinki's apocalyptic barrage. Love it.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Cadmas on August 15, 2009, 10:47:41 PM
Well you can't please everybody.
As for older characters coming back let just believe a TH12.5 is coming and will be to the liking.
Will they be PC-98? Probably not.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Tengukami on August 15, 2009, 10:54:31 PM
Oh, that's right - Mima didn't return. Now I get it.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Slaves on August 15, 2009, 10:58:51 PM
yes- 5%
no- 95%

hi Mima



about 2 hours until get home,i can't motherfucking wait
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on August 15, 2009, 11:08:13 PM
My mini-review: It's pretty good. Another Touhou game; the world turns, and nothing (outside of the Touhou fandom) changes. Final boss theme was appropriately epic; I have yet to memorize any themes, or any characters' names besides CAPTAIN MINAMITSU MOTHERFUCKING MURASA, but give it time.
Also I have haxcheats for it if anyone wants them
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Nine West on August 15, 2009, 11:11:45 PM
I have yet to memorize any themes, or any characters' names besides CAPTAIN MINAMITSU MOTHERFUCKING MURASA, but give it time.

Even Muffin is catching on to that, huh. Captain is now officially a Memetic Badass
not to mention her theme, which is named after her name.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Gpop on August 15, 2009, 11:11:56 PM
Also I have haxcheats for it if anyone wants them

Really, I want them so I can see WHAT they are, and how effective they are for you.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Be Pok U (1998 burst style) on August 15, 2009, 11:13:04 PM
If Shinki got replaced, that would make Alice get a new mommy? XD

I'd really want to see those lunatic patterns since I can't find any replays yet.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on August 15, 2009, 11:21:22 PM
Also I have haxcheats for it if anyone wants them
Already? Daaaamn.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: WRATHIE_Beatrice on August 15, 2009, 11:32:47 PM
oh gods.. what happened to everyone after i went off to study..

UFO CRAZE, HERE, MOTK! NuUuuuuuuuu
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Mima on August 15, 2009, 11:44:09 PM
Oh, that's right - Mima didn't return. Now I get it.
If you've read my posts lately regarding this topic you'll know that I don't want Mima to return any more, mostly due to reasons regarding the fandom.

I don't hugely mind who actually returns instead of new characters. Just as long as they're older characters and not just new ones that seem to be getting increasingly worse.

I suppose one thing that's certain is that the mention of Makai in a song name  and Shinki's attack reappearing... ZUN certainly hasn't forgotten about PC-98, which is nice to hear.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Alice Fact on August 15, 2009, 11:54:36 PM
Also I have haxcheats for it if anyone wants them
Already? Daaaamn.
well there was the demo as a base (dunno how good that is) and I'm pretty sure ZUN's still using the third engine
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Tengukami on August 15, 2009, 11:57:50 PM
I was mostly teasing, Mima. I actually am of both minds about the cast - I love seeing new characters come into the mix, and I like this batch especially. At the same time, it'd be nice to see some older characters make a return and get some play. But it's not really a deal-breaker for me either way.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: RainfallYoshi on August 16, 2009, 12:07:51 AM
Ok what.

Stage 5 is just a complete mind-rape and Syou's giant non-directional lasers is nerve-wracking.

Have yet to get to Stage 6 yet because I've been too impatient to restart constantly and try to beat Syou.

I will say this though, Ichirin's and Syou's boss themes are kick-ass.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Arcengal on August 16, 2009, 12:12:43 AM
Played it through once on Normal, having watched a video of the demo once and nothing since. All I've been doing for the last week is grinding VoWG so I was glad of the change.

Stage 1 - Not too taxing.
Stage 2 - Had to bomb Kogasa's first card due to a blunder but otherwise perfect.
Stage 3 - HOLY CRAP, THOSE BROFIST SPRITES ARE HUGE. I died a couple of times here because of my initial shock.

Stage 4 - Perfected the stage first try (VoWG practice was good for the glowing orb thingy). Died horribly to boss' first spellcard (worked out what was going on in seconds but still couldn't dodge fast enough) and bombed the third to stay alive. That was it O HAI THERE SURVIVAL CARD and I die two seconds from a capture.

Stage 5 - Got to boss, Game Over'd. Tried again, Game Over'd at Nazrin. Tried again, got to boss, thought I had won...CRAP, IT'S THAT SPELL FROM UWATABI BREAKERS THAT I THOUGHT LOOKED INSANE. *Somehow* I broke through and beat the stage.

Stage 6 - She's kicked my ass four times and I decided to stop for the night.

Great game though.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Slaves on August 16, 2009, 01:23:13 AM
Ok what.

Stage 5 is just a complete mind-rape and Syou's giant non-directional lasers is nerve-wracking.

Have yet to get to Stage 6 yet because I've been too impatient to restart constantly and try to beat Syou.

I will say this though, Ichirin's and Syou's boss themes are kick-ass.

what about Nue mannnnnn

while i enjoy Ichirin's theme to no end and haven't heard Syou's yet, Nue's is just so aghnahdgabydvuyiar



OKAY I'M GOING TO PLAY UFO NOW HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE predicting death at stage 4 because of MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF EXCITEMENT
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: stevarn on August 16, 2009, 01:59:44 AM
Heres my Normal Playthrough
Stage 1: pretty normal
Stage 2: Lost a life because i have yet to figure out how to dodge all of her spellcards
Stage 3: Brofist gave me a bit of trouble, but i already know how to beat them all

Stage 4: UFO craze = dead, since i played easy first I did NOT EXPECT that survival card at the end and lived with one life
Stage 5: Died, Retried, surprisingly didn't die on the boss at all, though my future playthroughs always end up in me dying to her lazers, seriously...
Stage 6: Died, Retried, Died/Retried x 20, finally figured out strategies to dodge her 1st spell, 2nd nonspell, and 2nd spell, but always ends up dying due to negligence, never really got passed her 3rd spellcard, had to bomb my way through, by now I would be out of bombs/lives, eventually i gave up

Really want to get to Nue~
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Slaves on August 16, 2009, 02:05:05 AM
OH MY GOD STAGE 4 AHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA

DIED ON REIMU A, TRIED ON SANAE B

LOST 5 LIVES IN A SPAN OF 10 SECONDS ON STAGE 4

GOD DAMN, SAILOR LOLI IS SO AWESOME

brb trying again
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Nine West on August 16, 2009, 02:08:38 AM
Finally got the game working...

I'm doing a Marisa A run on easy but Stage 5 owned me three times already, the farthest I've gone is Syou's second-to-last spellcard. God, those curving lasers are killer.

For the record, Stage 4 was the most fun (and easiest), and Kogasa's last spellcard is impossible for me without bombing.

... I suck at Touhou.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Hououin Kyouma on August 16, 2009, 02:14:45 AM
I just realized that you could bomb in this game *face nail*
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: BoLaD on August 16, 2009, 02:39:12 AM
The first time I played I didn't 1cc it, but I got past stage 5 and I continued to beat stage 6. I have 2 words: Absofucking amazing. I thought the demo was good but the full game is on par with Imperishable Night, which is my 2nd favorite Touhou game.
I play
Stage 1: Perfected, everything went according to plan.
Stage 2: 1 Bomb for the final spellcard. Thanks to this new laptop that my dad picked up off the streets, the only time I suffered lag was during the final spellcard in which 2 Unzans, 2 fists and a bomb were on the screen at once.
Stage 4: From this point on, the run is riddled with UFO collecting errors. I managed to max out my lives but then the boss of the stage ate 2 lives. Music is awesome though!
Stage 5: Midboss Nazrin breaks my UFO before I get my star pieces, I max out my lives and lose another life due to a stupid move at the end of the stage before the boss. I also miss a UFO before the boss battle, missing out on many, many points. The boss battle is great. I didn't do too well on her spellcards but I got her noncards down. By the end of stage 6, I had 6 lives, 2 bombs and 3 star pieces.
Stage 6: Oh the epicness. This game is more atmospheric than SA! Heartbeat... Heartbeat... Heartbeat. The stage is basically saying: "Have some UFO's! You need them! Love how the fairies in the stage are shaped like space invadors too. Like I said, I fucked up a lot with UFO grabbing, and I couldn't even get 1 final star piece to max out my lives. Battle starts, I have no bombs. It goes perfect until her 3rd card, which just raped me and consumed a bomb. Her final non-card also required a bomb too. The rest of the battle went perfectly. 4 out of 5 spellcards captured, final score: 201,534,510. Lives remaining: 6. Bombs: 0

Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Slaves on August 16, 2009, 02:45:19 AM

For the record, Stage 4 was the most fun (and easiest), and Kogasa's last spellcard is impossible for me without bombing.

these two things do not go together

just finished stage 4 with Sanae A- went in with 4 lives, 8 bombs, came out with 3 lives, 1 bomb.

stage 4 was a FUCKFEST OF BULLETS, and CAPTAIN MURASA MINAMITU is just MARVELOUS. i bombed like shit(obviously), especially on her survival card. but now that it's in practice, i'll try to actually capture her cards.

EDIT: forgot to say that, now that i've cleared it, stage 4 was as fun as hell

ON TO STAGE 5

EDIT: failed stage 5. i'm gonna stop for a while
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: c l e a r on August 16, 2009, 04:06:44 AM
ok, somebody tell me how to get through Stage 4's fuckfest of walls, seriously. 

You have to have a shit load of bombs already.  Meaning chaining nothing but green the entire time.  Don't fuck up, don't die, and deathbomb like hell.  and chain more UFOs whatever they may be to clear the bullets.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Nine West on August 16, 2009, 04:31:33 AM
2 hours worth of continuing just for Stage 5 Easy...

And I still haven't defeated the boss yet...

This... is... impossible...

I need to cool down for a bit now.

Also,

For the record, Stage 4 was the most fun (and easiest), and Kogasa's last spellcard is impossible for me without bombing.
these two things do not go together

I take that back; Stage 4 was hard, but Captain was a bit easy and fun, though I usually need to bomb her first spellcard.

Stage 5 is worse than PCB Stage 4... maybe because you only get 2 lives from a continue.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: RainfallYoshi on August 16, 2009, 05:08:32 AM
I just realized something...

Byakuren's abilities are simply being able to use magic. She's basically an uber awesome magician.

Byakuren = Youkai Marisa?
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on August 16, 2009, 05:14:26 AM
I just realized something...

Byakuren's abilities are simply being able to use magic. She's basically an uber awesome magician.

Byakuren = Youkai Marisa?
Except that she's pretty much the Savior of Youkai, while Marisa wouldn't care less about them. Somewhat.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Kojiremi on August 16, 2009, 05:19:25 AM
I just realized something...

Byakuren's abilities are simply being able to use magic. She's basically an uber awesome magician.

Byakuren = Youkai Marisa?

from what her profile says it seems the magic she specializes "increases her physical abilities" I can imagine her as like a female Ganondorf. haha. make herself really buff and pulverize you. Alice specializes in magic (puppetry) and Patchouli in Elemental magic. and Marisa in "High powered" magic.   I thought that Byaku's ability was kinda "raise eyebrow/confused" but i suppose after seeing our previoius 3 mages i guess magic has to be classified as to what type it is. haha.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: theshirn on August 16, 2009, 05:31:10 AM
So I just gave it a run, and...I'm impressed.  This is actually fun to play, much more so than the demo.  The biggest thing I noticed was that the damn fairies actually DIE now, meaning the stages aren't as WHAT THE HELL as the demo...well, the first three.  Four and five were.  Six was...umm...Space Invaders.  Really.  Really.  Weird.

Music, aside from the Space Invaders theme (seriously, what's up with Stage 6?) was...suitably awesome.  I'm not sure how much I care for Chiyuri Lite's theme, and Byakuren's is a little bit tame for a final boss, but Stages 4 and 5, as well as 5 boss, made a very good first impression.  I'll probably listen a bunch to the music and shift around like I always do, but so far, so good.

Also GODDAMNIT GAME OVERED ON THE FINAL CARD I WANTED TO TRY EXTRA TONIGHT SON OF A--

Other impressions:
OHGOD HOMING ANCHORS
TIGER LAZORS
"Hello, my name is Shinki." "You mean Byakuren, right?" "No, I'm pretty certain I said Shinki."
Ok, aaaaand she's GOT CATWALK?!  DAMNIT, ZUN!!
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Nine West on August 16, 2009, 05:36:24 AM
I just realized something...

Byakuren's abilities are simply being able to use magic. She's basically an uber awesome magician.

Byakuren = Youkai Marisa?

from what her profile says it seems the magic she specializes "increases her physical abilities" I can imagine her as like a female Ganondorf. haha. make herself really buff and pulverize you. Alice specializes in magic (puppetry) and Patchouli in Elemental magic. and Marisa in "High powered" magic.   I thought that Byaku's ability was kinda "raise eyebrow/confused" but i suppose after seeing our previoius 3 mages i guess magic has to be classified as to what type it is. haha.

Except that physical prowess is just about useless in Danmaku battles, so unless Byakuren decides to ram into you and do some fistfight, her magic buff wouldn't help much.

Hey, that's an idea for a fighting game; make her a character who can buff herself to increase physical damage in her attacks and reduce damage done to her or something.


Back to continuing Stage 5, I guess... 
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Post by: Bias Bus on August 16, 2009, 05:48:30 AM
I just realized something...

Byakuren's abilities are simply being able to use magic. She's basically an uber awesome magician.

Byakuren = Youkai Marisa?

from what her profile says it seems the magic she specializes "increases her physical abilities" I can imagine her as like a female Ganondorf. haha.
Byakuren-esque Warlock Punch in 3...2...
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Slaves on August 16, 2009, 05:48:54 AM
okay well i spoiled myself in UFO's music room and listened to Byakuren's theme..

...eh. really doesn't suit too much as a final boss theme. it's a bit to quiet, to be honest. it's not intimidating, like a final boss should be.

i dunno, maybe it'll seem fitting when you fight her.

i also might think it's not all that great because i heard the chaotic theme of Nue first, which is pretty hard to show up.
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Post by: Helepolis on August 16, 2009, 06:16:56 AM
The only few themes that are catchy for me and fitting are: Nazrin, Kogasa, Murasa's themes. These somehow make you really pumped up for the battle.

Shou's theme is nice, evil but too dull in my opinion. It is totally different compared to the other themes. Byakuren's theme almost feels and hears like a song where you can imagine: Being saved / reliefed / free. I don't know how to excactly explain it.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: c l e a r on August 16, 2009, 06:29:15 AM
I don't know about you, but after seeing a Stage 6 run.  I have to say that dawn sky sent chills down my spine.

I also like how there are new bullet patterns now.  The Spell Cards are absolutely brilliant Stage 4 and on.

Am I the only who likes Shou's theme?  Her theme pretty much says "You're in Makai, and you are going up against a god."
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Letty Whiterock on August 16, 2009, 07:18:59 AM
Nazrin's theme is the best theme in all of Windows Touhou. Hands-down. Don't argue it. You're wrong.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Henry on August 16, 2009, 07:37:40 AM
Too bad that I died at the Stage 6's last attack... :(
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Helepolis on August 16, 2009, 07:42:48 AM
Nazrin's theme is the best theme in all of Windows Touhou. Hands-down. Don't argue it. You're wrong.
Newsflash: Opinions are not facts.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: RainfallYoshi on August 16, 2009, 07:51:00 AM
I don't know about you, but after seeing a Stage 6 run.  I have to say that dawn sky sent chills down my spine.

I also like how there are new bullet patterns now.  The Spell Cards are absolutely brilliant Stage 4 and on.

Am I the only who likes Shou's theme?  Her theme pretty much says "You're in Makai, and you are going up against a god."

No, you're not the only one. Shou's theme is fucking grand. It's one of my favorites along with Ichirin's and Kogasa's themes.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Drake on August 16, 2009, 07:52:29 AM
TinyTiny, Heian Alien and CAPTAIN MURASA MINAMITU (that's right it's spelled in full even if it actually isn't) are all about the same in HOLY YES from me.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Nine West on August 16, 2009, 08:00:38 AM
I don't know about you, but after seeing a Stage 6 run.  I have to say that dawn sky sent chills down my spine.

I also like how there are new bullet patterns now.  The Spell Cards are absolutely brilliant Stage 4 and on.

Am I the only who likes Shou's theme?  Her theme pretty much says "You're in Makai, and you are going up against a god."

No, you're not the only one. Shou's theme is fucking grand. It's one of my favorites along with Ichirin's and Kogasa's themes.

For me, Syou's theme tried to be intimidating, and succeeded somewhat; not necessarily a ground breaking theme.

From UFO, I can say that
CAPTAIN MURASA MINAMITU (that's right it's spelled in full even if it actually isn't)
is the catchiest by far.

Also,

Nazrin's theme is the best theme in all of Windows Touhou. Hands-down. Don't argue it. You're wrong.

I agree to a certain extent, actually.

Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Letty Whiterock on August 16, 2009, 08:22:50 AM
Nazrin's theme is the best theme in all of Windows Touhou. Hands-down. Don't argue it. You're wrong.
Newsflash: Opinions are not facts.
you wanna start somethin'

i don't think you do
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Helepolis on August 16, 2009, 08:25:52 AM
you wanna start somethin'

i don't think you do

??

I stated the obvious. But I guess you knew that already. And start what? To discuss that opinions are facts afterall?
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: sohvan on August 16, 2009, 08:36:36 AM
After reading the translated dialogues, I'm starting to feel a little bad for the enemies of this game. Seems like all they wanted to do was to wake up their Youkai-Buddha, and Reimu/Marisa/Sanae beat them up just because they are Youkai. Can't wait to read the translated endings and the extra stage.
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Post by: Slaves on August 16, 2009, 08:45:03 AM
After reading the translated dialogues, I'm starting to feel a little bad for the enemies of this game. Seems like all they wanted to do was to wake up their Youkai-Buddha, and Reimu/Marisa/Sanae beat them up just because they are Youkai. Can't wait to read the translated endings and the extra stage.

playable characters are always like this. where the hell have you been?

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Post by: Cadmas on August 16, 2009, 08:47:16 AM
Reimu is a racist. Sanae is a racist. Marisa needs more swag.
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Post by: sohvan on August 16, 2009, 08:56:15 AM
playable characters are always like this. where the hell have you been?
In the previous games the playable characters are usually proven to be right in the end, though they didn't necessarily know it when picking the fights. That tendency to pick fights over trivial reasons was always there, but they always got lucky in the end with the results.

It's a good thing to stop Remilia making an endless night, Yuyuko doesn't really want to be resurrected, Kaguya really did steal the moon, Kanako was trying to monopolize Gensokyo's faith, and Utsuho was mad and planning to invade the surface realm. While the playable characters didn't neccessarily have good reasons in mind for stopping them, stopping them was a good thing in the end. I think this is the first game where the enemies are arguably the ones who are right in the end.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Slaves on August 16, 2009, 09:00:59 AM
playable characters are always like this. where the hell have you been?
In the previous games the playable characters are usually proven to be right in the end, though they didn't necessarily know it when picking the fights. That tendency to pick fights over trivial reasons was always there, but they always got lucky in the end with the results.

It's a good thing to stop Remilia making an endless night, Yuyuko doesn't really want to be resurrected, Kaguya really did steal the moon, Kanako was trying to monopolize Gensokyo's faith, and Utsuho was mad and planning to invade the surface realm. While the playable characters didn't neccessarily have good reasons in mind for stopping them, stopping them was a good thing in the end. I think this is the first game where the enemies are arguably the ones who are right in the end.

fine MOM

always trying to kill my fun


anyways, i haven't read Marisa's scenario yet. after seeing Sanae's "Human and Youkai as equals?", i don't think she could be worse, but we'll see.
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Post by: Mima on August 16, 2009, 11:53:30 AM
At some point yesterday, I also commented how Byakuren's theme was bland and not dramatic enough for a final boss, I then commented that it sounded like a Credits theme.

As you may know now, an arrange of Byakuren's theme IS the credits theme, which kinda proves my point.
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Post by: Cadmas on August 16, 2009, 12:10:15 PM
Sounds like Mima was hoping for a darker more sinister touhou universe.
I can see where the ghost is coming from, but a game with as many bright colors and ufo lucky charms didn't seem to warrant a Nightmare on Elm Street view. I was surprised Makai was even included as well as Nue's design. Heck I surprised to see anything black other than Reimu's hair and Marisa's Clothes.
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Post by: Helepolis on August 16, 2009, 12:11:51 PM
Actually, if you read all the dialogues the theme suddenly becomes more fitting and clear.

Byakuren is released from her seal and her intentions are not wrong except our heroines think otherwise. So her theme sounding so peaceful is quite fitting imo.

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Post by: WRATHIE_Beatrice on August 16, 2009, 12:30:21 PM
Shou's theme is good, very godly in my opinion.

Frustration occurs when Unzan kills alot of my lives, FOR NO REASON.
the brofists just intimidate me.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Tengukami on August 16, 2009, 01:20:37 PM
playable characters are always like this. where the hell have you been?
In the previous games the playable characters are usually proven to be right in the end, though they didn't necessarily know it when picking the fights. That tendency to pick fights over trivial reasons was always there, but they always got lucky in the end with the results.

It's a good thing to stop Remilia making an endless night, Yuyuko doesn't really want to be resurrected, Kaguya really did steal the moon, Kanako was trying to monopolize Gensokyo's faith, and Utsuho was mad and planning to invade the surface realm. While the playable characters didn't neccessarily have good reasons in mind for stopping them, stopping them was a good thing in the end. I think this is the first game where the enemies are arguably the ones who are right in the end.

I have to agree with you on this. I usually play Sanae A, but after reading her dialogue ... it's basically
"Hijri: All we want is for humans and youkai to live in peace, together!"
"Sanae A: Whaaat? Bitch you crazy. YOU DEAD!"
I'm going to have to read the other dialogues and settle on a character who doesn't talk like a Gestapo officer.
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Post by: DgBarca on August 16, 2009, 01:24:39 PM
Sky Dream is probably the best credit theme of all touhou... :V
I think that Shou's theme is not as bad as Till When ? But it is a bit TOO bland...
And damn...after stage 4...it is the stage 5 that is owning me...BWAAAAAAA  >:D
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Post by: Henry on August 16, 2009, 02:30:16 PM
I barely finished Normal Mode and I think the musics are awesome.

Syou's theme is really godly (along with his spells, they kill a lot of my lives even in Normal).
However I like Captain Murasa most :)
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Post by: Zengar Zombolt on August 16, 2009, 02:38:43 PM
Finally read all reactions to Hiziri...
ReimuA: "Gods and Youkai are similar, yes, in the fact that I can beat the crap out of them."
ReimuB: "Youkai, must kill, etc."
MarisaA: "Magic is for protecting humans, not Youkai."
MarisaB: "REWARD FUCKING WHERE"
SanaeA: "Kanako is Right, you are wrong. RIP AND TEAR"
SanaeB: "Youkai and Gods are different. After all, I am a God myself."

Fuck, now I feel really bad for her.
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Post by: ?q on August 16, 2009, 02:44:12 PM
I don't know where to put this bit of trivia, so why not here?

You remember at the end of Stage 6 when the shiny glowy thing gives you one last hard time before the final boss, right?  And when it's done, it sometimes drops a mountain of point items on you, right?

That doesn't have anything to do with what UFOs you have or how many.  It doesn't directly have to do with whether you bomb or die on the last four barrages.  What it does have to do with is whether you are already at full power when it drops the Full Power item.  If you are at 4.00 power at the end of the barrages, the [F] item is meaningless, so the game compensates you with LoTs AnD lOtS oF pOiNtS.

If someone else already said this, sorry, I'm not combing the forum for it.  But the last time I checked there was some confusion about this.
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Post by: Tengukami on August 16, 2009, 02:44:46 PM
Finally read all reactions to Hiziri...
ReimuA: "Gods and Youkai are similar, yes, in the fact that I can beat the crap out of them."
ReimuB: "Youkai, must kill, etc."
MarisaA: "Magic is for protecting humans, not Youkai."
MarisaB: "REWARD FUCKING WHERE"
SanaeA: "Kanako is Right, you are wrong. RIP AND TEAR"
SanaeB: "Youkai and Gods are different. After all, I am a God myself."

Fuck, now I feel really bad for her.

I know! The "enemies" actually wanted to do something noble, and the PCs are just "lol no youkai".

Ah well, Sanae B comes closest to being reasonable - she's just "investigating" the entire time, and just kind of fights Hijiri by default. Sanae A, though, man - she keeps going on and freakin' on about how inferior youkai are and how they must be exterminated, stage after stage. What a little Nazi.
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Post by: Helepolis on August 16, 2009, 02:44:59 PM
Finally read all reactions to Hiziri...
ReimuA: "Gods and Youkai are similar, yes, in the fact that I can beat the crap out of them."
ReimuB: "Youkai, must kill, etc."
MarisaA: "Magic is for protecting humans, not Youkai."
MarisaB: "REWARD FUCKING WHERE"
SanaeA: "Kanako is Right, you are wrong. RIP AND TEAR"
SanaeB: "Youkai and Gods are different. After all, I am a God myself."

Fuck, now I feel really bad for her.

This is each characters motive in a nutshell. I never lol'ed so hard at dialogues. But seriously poor Hijiri, locked away for a millenium turning into a youkai and wants peace. But our girls had to go being bitchy again.

Though we still love them. Right, right?!

The only reasonable person is Marisa who says using magic is right nowdays but disagrees that Youkai's being opressed and humans are instead. She is correct (Kanako , you fool ) so yea. She is the most logical one ze.
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Post by: Tengukami on August 16, 2009, 03:11:34 PM
This is each characters motive in a nutshell. I never lol'ed so hard at dialogues. But seriously poor Hijiri, locked away for a millenium turning into a youkai and wants peace. But our girls had to go being bitchy again.

Though we still love them. Right, right?!

The only reasonable person is Marisa who says using magic is right nowdays but disagrees that Youkai's being opressed and humans are instead. She is correct (Kanako , you fool ) so yea. She is the most logical one ze.

Yeah, I mean, she spends the entire game just being TREASURETREASURETREASURE (which I guess we should expect from our Marisa), but in the end says this:

Quote from: Byakuren
But, that aside, has the world become a place
where it's okay to use magic?

In my time, because I could use strange powers ...

People hated me, and in the end
they sealed away me down here.

Quote from: Marisa A
What?
You were sealed away because you used magic?

Quote from: Byakuren
Yes, that's why I recognized youkai as equals
and called on others to do the same.

Will you support me in that?

Quote from: Marisa A
In today's world ... ...
I think it's okay to use magic.

But, youkai and humans are not equal!

Humans are weaker,
so they need more protections!

Saying youkai and humans are equal
doesn't make it true.

Especially coming from a youkai like you.

Whereas Sanae B's reaction to Hiriji's appeal to equality is:

Quote from: Sanae B
Equals? Oppressed?

Whichever way you look at it,
humans are the ones being oppressed!

I want to see humans regain their status!

By comparison, Marisa A seems to have barely, slightly nobler reasons for fighting Hijiri (protecting humans who are weaker than youkai) than Sanae B (helping humans "regain their status").
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Post by: PostCrisisJ2 on August 16, 2009, 03:28:45 PM
Well, Sanae A is more or less influenced by Kanako who attempted to force all of Gensokyo to worship her while Sanae B is influenced by Suwako who's not Kanako in that aspect, so there's that. And it could be that Sanae hasn't been in G-Land long and isn't really aware of how things really are because she spends most of her time in the Moriya Shrine.

While their dialogue was certainly a bit uh... forceful than usual, you have to remember that Reimu, Marisa, Sakuya, and Sanae are the exception to the humans, not the norm. And while the majority of the other "exceptional" youkai like Yukari and the like don't need/want to eat humans, pretty much all of the nameless ones do, who greatly outnumber them. So from their viewpoint, youkai aren't exactly the ones being oppressed. After all, Byakuren has been stuck in Makai for 1,000 years and probably isn't aware of how things are in Gensokyo now.

There's also the fact that Gensokyo's existence is dependent on the balance of humans and youkai if the canon material is to be believed, so if one side got more powerful than the other it'd be bad. It seems like things are more or less balanced as of UFO and doesn't need much meddling from either humans or youkai.

It does seem like the girls are in the wrong this time around, but I think it's just one huge misunderstanding between each party due to the circumstances. It'd help out if we knew what happened during the endings.
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Post by: Tengukami on August 16, 2009, 03:33:20 PM
It does seem like the girls are in the wrong this time around, but I think it's just one huge misunderstanding between each party due to the circumstances. It'd help out if we knew what happened during the endings.

I think considering all the previous incidents the girls have had with youkai, they've grown to be very distrustful of them. And Marisa's right that youkai are more powerful than humans, thus warranting protection. So someone coming along and being like, "Youkai and humans, hand in hand, everybody's freeeeeeeee" is going to make the girls very, very suspicious.

The frustrating thing is I'd been using Sanae A continuously, but now feel I should switch to Marisa A, on the dialogue alone. Ah well, it'll be more of a challenge, that's for sure.
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Post by: Helepolis on August 16, 2009, 05:22:13 PM
Editing notes:

First post updated with fixed Nue portrait + clickables to show larger ingame view. Also added title image, I think it is pretty much complete now.
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Post by: Slaves on August 16, 2009, 05:32:29 PM
okay, here's what i think:

if Byakuren was to get unsealed and went to spread her love, it's likely that she'd be beaten into a greasy spot in the ground by the slew of magic humans that live in Gensokyo. i'm also pretty sure that most Youkai won't want equal rights(Rumia, for example) because they eat humans. although the girls obviously didn't have this in mind, what they did was for the best.

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Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on August 16, 2009, 06:16:38 PM
I feel the need to note that, broadly speaking, the characters have always been bastards, they've just mostly been fighting enemies who were bigger bastards.

That said, this is Gensokyo and Makai. Youkai != repressed minority.
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Post by: Zengar Zombolt on August 16, 2009, 06:19:18 PM
okay, here's what i think:

if Byakuren was to get unsealed and went to spread her love, it's likely that she'd be beaten into a greasy spot in the ground by the slew of magic humans that live in Gensokyo. i'm also pretty sure that most Youkai won't want equal rights(Rumia, for example) because they eat humans. although the girls obviously didn't have this in mind, what they did was for the best.
I don't think magical humans could do that much. Besides the PCs we only have Mokou and Sakuya. But then, Mokou is also somewhat of a Youkai hunter...
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Post by: Tengukami on August 16, 2009, 06:28:23 PM
I feel the need to note that, broadly speaking, the characters have always been bastards, they've just mostly been fighting enemies who were bigger bastards.

Well that's the point, I think - in this case, the "enemies" are aspiring to something actually pretty flowery and lovable. It's the previous bigger bastards the girls have fought that have made them jaded to this idea, though. Whereas Sanae seems to take this ubermensch master race "the humans must be superior!" approach to dealing with youkai, Reimu and Marisa seem to be of the opinion that humans need protection from youkai, which is a type of "balance" in a way.

In any event, I have to give ZUN credit for the continuing development of giving his human characters human flaws. The girls are jaded by experience. They're suspicious of youkai, and in this case, wrong about being so. I think I'm fine with that. How dull would it be if it were like this:

Hiriji: I want to create a world where humans and youkai are equals! Are you with me?

Marisa: Why, that's a splendid idea! I say, let's all assemble in the Forest of Magic and form a drum circle. We can get Rusted Root to perform, light incense, and eat yogurt, ze~ Kum ba yaaaaaaa
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Post by: Alfred F. Jones on August 16, 2009, 06:30:23 PM
I don't think magical humans could do that much. Besides the PCs we only have Mokou and Sakuya. But then, Mokou is also somewhat of a Youkai hunter...

There are five and a half humans who can hold their own against Gensokyo's best, and those are Reimu, Marisa, Sanae, Sakuya, Mokou, and Youmu. Everyone else is lunch meat.

... and everyone in Gensokyo is descended from youkai hunters and lives in a land full of youkai. Take that how you will.

I see it like this: Byakuren is a hopeless idealist and needs to be corrected, but is then corrected in the harshest manner possible by Reimu and co.

I think I love Byakuren even more now.
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Post by: Drake on August 16, 2009, 06:45:58 PM
SanaeA's dialogue is just the greatest. She's all blindly worshipping Kanako and doing whatever she says. She's exterminating all youkai.

What a nazi. Seriously, hahaha.
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Post by: RainfallYoshi on August 16, 2009, 07:00:12 PM
I think it's a case where a majority of the youkai are giving the others a bad name by association.

Byakuren really wasn't trying to do anything to harm the humans at all, but she's a Youkai so she was guilty by default because of the loonies that Reimu and crew have dealt with in the past.

I mean sure, if the world has almost been blown up on numerous occasions then I would be rather reluctant to trust this new youkai too.
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Post by: Nine West on August 16, 2009, 07:02:19 PM
Oh, wow, after I read those translations, the protagonists seemed to be bigger jerks than the actual 'antagonists' in this game. Though, as long as there are youkais who don't care about humans (or maybe eat humans), a human-youkai relationship wouldn't work to its fullest, unless of course, they could get the high-end youkais (Yuka, Remilia, Yukari, etc) on their side to monitor the actions of lesser ones, but again, that's pretty much impossible.

One thing to note on Reimu's part is that her dialogue basically boils down to, "I'll beat up all youkais/everyone who is a friend to youkais," while she herself befriended some youkais (Yukari and Suika come to mind). Heck, her Hakurei Shrine is
Quote
also apparently a popular hangout for all the other girls who Reimu and company defeat in the course of the Touhou games.

Considering the majority of the cast in every Touhou games are youkais, her shrine is basically a youkai home turf.

Even Marisa gave a more just reason of humans needing more protection from dangerous youkais. Although Sanae is basically being a nazi to youkais in this game, she was taught by Kanako, after all, so it's not entirely her fault.

Keep in mind that the youkais in the story are far more reasonable than... EX Stage, where Nue was basically just screwing around for fun. With that said, I can't wait to read the translation of the Extra Stage and possibly getting more laughs.
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Post by: Slaves on August 16, 2009, 07:10:23 PM
Though, as long as there are youkais who don't care about humans (or maybe eat humans), a human-youkai relationship wouldn't work to its fullest, unless of course, they could get the high-end youkais (Yuka, Remilia, Yukari, etc) on their side to monitor the actions of lesser ones, but again, that's pretty much impossible.

exactly. the more powerful beings in Gensokyo don't really give a shit about what's right and what's wrong, so trying to bring peace to their relationship is pretty much impossible.
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Post by: homing curvy laser on August 16, 2009, 09:47:05 PM
Do they all have tea on the endings again? :v
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Post by: Helepolis on August 16, 2009, 09:50:03 PM
No. Violence occurs. In one ending Reimu kicks a UFO I think. Couldn't remember whos it was.
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Post by: Slaves on August 16, 2009, 10:09:20 PM
Reimu kicks a UFO

omg

i gotta 1cc this ;_;
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Post by: Tengukami on August 16, 2009, 10:18:44 PM
Yeah, so do I, so um, can we have no more Ending Reveals please?

Unless Reimu kicking a UFO was a joke.
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Post by: Slaves on August 16, 2009, 11:26:41 PM
from wiki again:

"Perhaps Byakuren is a thief-type like Marisa, due to the fact that her first spell card strongly resembles one of Yukari's, her second like Yuyuko's, her third similarly named after Marisa's Milky Way spell card, and her fourth like one of Shinki's patterns"

damn it not another one

also
"[Kogasa's] surprise appearance as the Extra stage midboss was, well...a surprise to humans, us! Making Kogasa one of the few characters to indirectly muddle with the 4th wall, another example being, coincidentally, Sanae."

where did Sanae break the 4th wall?
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Post by: Tengukami on August 16, 2009, 11:40:15 PM
where did Sanae break the 4th wall?

One example I can think of is in UFO, where she talks about "those red things with Ps on them and blue things" or something like that.
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Post by: Kunai-kun on August 16, 2009, 11:49:44 PM
Wow, uh, 1cc'd Easy with ReimuB first try.

The only points that I lost more than two lives were stage 5 and Byakuren.(6 and 3 respectively)

The only spellcard of Byakuren's that i had a problem with was the curvy lasers. DAMN YOU LASERS.

I actually completely perfected Syou soo....

I think I'm getting beter at this :v
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Post by: Slaves on August 17, 2009, 12:16:11 AM
One example I can think of is in UFO, where she talks about "those red things with Ps on them and blue things" or something like that.

i should probably read all the scenarios before asking something like that durhur
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Post by: Nine West on August 17, 2009, 12:17:04 AM
Reading the Extra translations right now...

Reimu A wasn't that bad, actually. She didn't seal Nue "at least, just for now," and she told her to help Byakuren's group to collect the Tobikura fragments, as apparently, Nue was the one who screwed with Captain and co.

Sanae A's Extra was, "Well, if you're not an alien, I guess I'll just have to beat you." She's the UFO Sanae who would just beat up youkais.

Sanae B surprised me the most; she mistook Nue for an alien and wanted to call Aya to get their picture just so, "Now I can tell people I met an alien!" Really, Sanae even talked about the outside world for a bit and how people on the outside seem to 'only care about the environment and economy.' I was amused.

Those are the only ones available for now.
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Post by: Tengukami on August 17, 2009, 12:32:05 AM
Reading the Extra translations right now...

Reimu A wasn't that bad, actually. She didn't seal Nue "at least, just for now," and she told her to help Byakuren's group to collect the Tobikura fragments, as apparently, Nue was the one who screwed with Captain and co.

Sanae A's Extra was, "Well, if you're not an alien, I guess I'll just have to beat you." She's the UFO Sanae who would just beat up youkais.

Sanae B surprised me the most; she mistook Nue for an alien and wanted to call Aya to get their picture just so, "Now I can tell people I met an alien!" Really, Sanae even talked about the outside world for a bit and how people on the outside seem to 'only care about the environment and economy.' I was amused.

Those are the only ones available for now.

Yeah, Sanae A tells Nazrin that mice are "a precious living being required for scientific experiments in the outer world."
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Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on August 17, 2009, 12:35:48 AM
... Yeah, I think Sanae's, um, not letting herself be held back by common sense, as it were.
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Post by: Slaves on August 17, 2009, 12:39:46 AM
Sanae B surprised me the most; she mistook Nue for an alien and wanted to call Aya to get their picture just so, "Now I can tell people I met an alien!" Really, Sanae even talked about the outside world for a bit and how people on the outside seem to 'only care about the environment and economy.' I was amused.

one of the Sanae's say something about UFOs and magazines to CAPTAIN MURASA MINAMITSU or Shou, i think.
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Post by: Nine West on August 17, 2009, 12:50:13 AM
Supposedly, Sanae did live on the Outside World before Kanako moved the shrine to Gensokyo, so a few connections to the 'outside' here and there shouldn't be too surprising, I guess.

Anyway, Reimu B is up, and it's just about the same as her first one, only with more tease.

Only both of Marisa's EX scenarios remain untranslated as of now...
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Post by: Tengukami on August 17, 2009, 01:02:03 AM
Wow, reading the Ex scenarios, Nue is one freaky metaphysical-talking chick.

Quote from: Nue
Well, I'm a youkai whose true form is unknown.

I put the Seed of Unknown Form on the Tobikura fragments.

That seed has the power to change form into whatever is in the head of the person looking at it.

Since you thought something unknown floating in the sky had to be a UFO, you saw a UFO.

To people who knew about Tobikura, they saw fragments of that flying silo.

I like her even more!
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Post by: Zengar Zombolt on August 17, 2009, 01:08:18 AM
Quote from: Nue
Since you thought something unknown floating in the sky had to be a UFO, you saw a UFO.
Then Why did Reimu and Marisa see UFOs, if they supposedly don't know about them?
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Post by: Slaves on August 17, 2009, 01:14:28 AM
Then Why did Reimu and Marisa see UFOs, if they supposedly don't know about them?

Sanae told them? they were together at the beginning, weren't they?
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Post by: Moerin on August 17, 2009, 01:15:19 AM
Wow, reading the Ex scenarios, Nue is one freaky metaphysical-talking chick.

Quote from: Nue
Well, I'm a youkai whose true form is unknown.

I put the Seed of Unknown Form on the Tobikura fragments.

That seed has the power to change form into whatever is in the head of the person looking at it.

Since you thought something unknown floating in the sky had to be a UFO, you saw a UFO.

To people who knew about Tobikura, they saw fragments of that flying silo.

I like her even more!

So... Nue is Wallachia?

Dear god, I love that girl more and more with every passing day~
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Post by: Zengar Zombolt on August 17, 2009, 01:17:58 AM
Then Why did Reimu and Marisa see UFOs, if they supposedly don't know about them?

Sanae told them? they were together at the beginning, weren't they?
I don't think so. After all, Sanae's UFO antics were due to Suwako/Kanako's direct orders.
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Post by: Nine West on August 17, 2009, 01:22:06 AM
Quote from: Nue
Since you thought something unknown floating in the sky had to be a UFO, you saw a UFO.
Then Why did Reimu and Marisa see UFOs, if they supposedly don't know about them?

UFO = Undefined Fantastic Object = Unidentified Flying Object

They used their imaginations, obviously.

Also,
Wow, reading the Ex scenarios, Nue is one freaky metaphysical-talking chick.

Quote from: Nue
Well, I'm a youkai whose true form is unknown.

I put the Seed of Unknown Form on the Tobikura fragments.

That seed has the power to change form into whatever is in the head of the person looking at it.

Since you thought something unknown floating in the sky had to be a UFO, you saw a UFO.

To people who knew about Tobikura, they saw fragments of that flying silo.

I like her even more!
Nue's on there now though. i mean, how can you not love her? she tried to mess up everyone cause she thought it'd be funny. GOLDEN CHARACTER

She did feel bad for screwing with Captain and co, and she did follow Reimu's suggestion in the end, so she's not insane, at least.
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Post by: Tengukami on August 17, 2009, 01:27:41 AM
Reimu does seem pretty compassionate in the Ex scenarios. In both A and B, she declines to seal Nue back up, and tells her that Byakuren would probably give her a home, even if she did scatter the Tobikura fragments. Which I thought was nice.

And Sanae A makes a reference to SETI and what different types of aliens there are, so it's likely she told Reimu and Marisa all about UFOs.
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Post by: Slaves on August 17, 2009, 01:30:38 AM
She did feel bad for screwing with Captain and co, and she did follow Reimu's suggestion in the end, so she's not insane, at least.

aww, that makes me sad though. i wanted another sinister character that plays around with everyone in the evilest way possible :(
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Post by: Nine West on August 17, 2009, 01:35:25 AM
Marisa A's Extra is out.

HOLY FFFF-

Marisa got Nue's Seed of Unknown Form!!!

WHAT COULD SHE BE POSSIBLY PLOTTING!?

Eh, Marisa was playful, as usual.
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Post by: Tengukami on August 17, 2009, 01:40:49 AM
Marisa A's Extra is out.

HOLY FFFF-

Marisa got Nue's Seed of Unknown Form!!!

WHAT COULD SHE BE POSSIBLY PLOTTING!?

Judging from the dialogue, looks like she's going to mess with Reimu's mind. Awesome.
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Post by: Slaves on August 17, 2009, 01:46:20 AM
Quote from: Nue
I just want to scare people.

i can see why Tatara's in the extra stage now.

also, lol
Quote from: Reimu
Wow, you're really weak.

explanation for her being "easy"
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Post by: Suikama on August 17, 2009, 02:29:37 AM
Oh god UFO Lunatic mode <_>
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Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on August 17, 2009, 02:39:47 AM
Question: Does Easy Mode unlock Extra? If not, will playing Easy after 1CCing normal lock Extra for that character like in SA?
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Post by: theshirn on August 17, 2009, 03:16:28 AM
ASDBFRGN ORB MINIBOSS DIDN'T WE LEARN ANYTHING FROM LLS EXTRA ZUN GODDAMNIT
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Post by: Suikama on August 17, 2009, 03:18:12 AM
ASDBFRGN ORB MINIBOSS DIDN'T WE LEARN ANYTHING FROM LLS EXTRA ZUN GODDAMNIT
It's actually
the extra boss
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Cadmas on August 17, 2009, 03:18:41 AM
Blue orb-tan is a pretty cool character just like undead death fairy.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: mark2000 on August 17, 2009, 03:52:16 AM
Good God! The portraits are amazing! Either ZUN really practiced his drawing, he drank a new brand of beer, or both.

Whatever the reason for this, I say Bravo to him.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Hieda no Aya on August 17, 2009, 03:57:53 AM
Then Why did Reimu and Marisa see UFOs, if they supposedly don't know about them?

Sanae told them? they were together at the beginning, weren't they?

Looking back at the prologue, I think this is exactly it. Reimu and Marisa are talking about the rumors about a treasure ship, but they don't see it until Sanae comes and points it out to them, and suddenly it's obvious. Clever.

And Marisa is the greatest.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on August 17, 2009, 04:00:28 AM
Blue orb-tan is a pretty cool character
Eh, throws dead fairies at you and doesn't afraid of anything.

Looking back at the prologue, I think this is exactly it. Reimu and Marisa are talking about the rumors about a treasure ship, but they don't see it until Sanae comes and points it out to them, and suddenly it's obvious. Clever.
Herp fucking derp. I should read further before saying something.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Tengukami on August 17, 2009, 04:09:01 AM
Then Why did Reimu and Marisa see UFOs, if they supposedly don't know about them?

Sanae told them? they were together at the beginning, weren't they?

Looking back at the prologue, I think this is exactly it. Reimu and Marisa are talking about the rumors about a treasure ship, but they don't see it until Sanae comes and points it out to them, and suddenly it's obvious. Clever.

And Marisa is the greatest.

She does "point it out to them" in the sense that she confirms the rumor of the ship is true, flies up into the clouds, and Reimu and Marisa see it. But nowhere does Sanae call it anything but a "ship". Sanae must have brought up UFOs later on, before they start meeting fairies. And as Sanae was going on about SETI and different types of aliens in the Ex stage, she'd certainly be the one.

And yes, Marisa is the greatest.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Lloyd Dunamis on August 17, 2009, 04:15:17 AM
I'd love to play TH12 now, too, but my time in the computer cafe's spent on internet browsing, (trying to) commenting, and stuff.
Can't play at home as well, as I have Win98. Apparently, ZUN has been adding a Win98 boundary since TH11 (or in other words, it doesn't play in Win98) TnT

Anyway, this is a nice time to wait for the English patch. I wouldn't want to go through the trouble playing Normal in a P2P computer cafe and end up not understanding the ending scenes (though we actually did that on PoFV, because the ending arts itself is... uhm what's that word... treasuring?)

To comment something about TH12...
Looks like Nazrin is the first First-stage boss to make it to the category of Stage4-6 bosses (or mid-boss at least), isn't she?
... Wait, there's Keine (Stage3 Boss in IN) that made it as a mid-boss in Extra... ah well.

*___*The character arts are most adorable as well~<3, like mark2000 mentioned (or anyone else whose comment in case I missed reading)
I think ZUN actually makes cute drawings, most especially ending scenes arts.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Nine West on August 17, 2009, 04:21:53 AM
Took them long enough, finally, Marisa B's Extra is out.

Reimu A: "Go help Byakuren. I won't seal you just yet."
Reimu B: Basically the same as the above, only with more teasing.
Marisa A: "That was fun. Oh, gimme the cool things too, OK?"
Marisa B: "I think you could get along with Byakuren's group. Oh well, got a rumor to spread. Bye!"
Sanae A: "I could beat you anytime anywhere!"
Sanae B: "Wow, an alien! let's take picture together!" + speech about the outside world.

I laughed at the sheer difference between Sanae A and Sanae B's Extras. Overall, they were pretty interesting to read.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Slaves on August 17, 2009, 04:55:16 AM
Sanae A: "I could beat you anytime anywhere!"
Sanae B: "Wow, an alien! let's take picture together!" + speech about the outside world.

I laughed at the sheer difference between Sanae A and Sanae B's Extras. Overall, they were pretty interesting to read.

Kanako: serious business

Suwako: no business at all
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Drake on August 17, 2009, 04:57:51 AM
Yeah, it looks like canonically, Sanae has two separate personalities depending on who she spends her time with.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Cadmas on August 17, 2009, 04:59:30 AM
Oh great a bi-polar Shrine maiden.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Tengukami on August 17, 2009, 05:02:43 AM
Oh great a bi-polar Shrine maiden.

Sounds more like that kid in high school who was a total follower and would act like a bragging asshole around his jock friend but would be a happy-go-lucky type around his cooler friends.

Yeah, my respect for Reimu hasn't changed, but I think I like Marisa even more now.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Nine West on August 17, 2009, 05:16:41 AM
Yeah, it looks like canonically, Sanae has two separate personalities depending on who she spends her time with.
Oh great a bi-polar Shrine maiden.

Good thing that Reimu doesn't have 2 opposite goddesses (or any, for that matter) following her around. But Sanae can still own Reimu, though. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=1681.msg62411#msg62411)
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: VIVItheFujoshi on August 17, 2009, 06:23:52 AM
i fall in love with the complete story of U.F.O. i can see how the youkai-humans relations are in the antique times and now in Gensokyo. In same time, CoLA updates, where Kourin in a moment thing if are a good idea return to the human village after 11 years and looking so young than before...or if,being a half youkai,can reincarnate...im begin to think who,even if the humans are the "oppressed" now in Gensokyo,youkais no are completly fine...and need a little light to hope in their lives(exist good youkai,too)...and finally conciliate the humans and the youkai in that close world,for the sake of their land.
(the more problematic ones are the half youkai... more weak than a normal youkai,but in same time,have strange apparence-power-slow age-actitude who fear the people too. really,hanyou and were-youkai are lonely...)
im think who Byakuren will return in the next game...

um...anyone knows from where are the gliphs who Byakuren use? im believe who is the mantra "Om mani padme hum" (see,the jewel is in the lotus) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Om_mani_padme_hum (at least is very related with her and all the story:lotus,treasures,a mantra who can "free" youkais,humans,gods,all...) but the design is indesifrable...XD

i like the Nue song (terror,mistery and nostalgia...like a very very old story about a terrible monster...) the Toramaru Syou song (inmediately give me the image of a very devoted and powerful god or something figthing for save people) Byakuren song (shows all her love for all the living things...even if  they are cruel, she wants peace for youkai and humans) the 4 stage,reminds me a bar full of sailors narrating stories about ghosts and monsters of the sea...funny XD
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Thaws on August 17, 2009, 06:36:36 AM
Oh wow, I kind of like Nue's personality.
Seems like she's the kind that likes pranks, but has no intent to hurt anyone, and most importantly, she feels GUILT that she got in Murasa and friends' way.
I can't think of anyone other than her that ever feels guilty really, even those that cause incidents and stuff, they just go have tea party after.

I find it funny how people thought she's similar to Flandre due to her look and Heian Alien was posted, turns out she's much more normal, childish or you may even say innocent.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Kilgamayan on August 17, 2009, 06:39:02 AM
I wouldn't say Nue is innocent. The stated reason she followed Murasa was because she thought it might be fun to fuck with her.

EDIT:

Quote
In any case, when it looked like others were having fun, Nue would find a way to mess with them from afar. She didn't know what Murasa's group was planning, but she thought it would be funny if they failed.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Drake on August 17, 2009, 07:16:57 AM
Has anyone else noticed all the bgm was pre-unlocked, or was that just me?
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Cadmas on August 17, 2009, 07:22:20 AM
Mine just has a bunch of NO.1,2,3. and no text.
Nothing but the title music is unlocked.
Boy that's one hard to look at title screen. So bright ><
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Drake on August 17, 2009, 07:33:10 AM
Also,

(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5796/face06hp.png)

Not the Om mani padme hum, or anything, for that matter.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Helepolis on August 17, 2009, 07:38:23 AM
So Extra stages are also translated and up. Going to read them after breakfast.

And Slaves, the UFO kicking was not a lie, proof:

(http://i25.tinypic.com/fteeer.png)
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Slaves on August 17, 2009, 07:45:43 AM
So Extra stages are also translated and up. Going to read them after breakfast.

And Slaves, the UFO kicking was not a lie, proof:

(http://i25.tinypic.com/fteeer.png)

does that UFO have a face?
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Drake on August 17, 2009, 07:49:04 AM
According to Nue, the UFOs have a face if you want them to.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Slaves on August 17, 2009, 07:55:01 AM
oh right.

i must know why she kicked it now, though.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: VIVItheFujoshi on August 17, 2009, 07:59:25 AM
Also,

(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5796/face06hp.png)

Not the Om mani padme hum, or anything, for that matter.

i know...but my fast mental relation was weird XD
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Cadmas on August 17, 2009, 08:00:51 AM
Ability to use magic? More like Ability to make emo rainbows.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Nine West on August 17, 2009, 08:28:20 AM
Has anyone else noticed all the bgm was pre-unlocked, or was that just me?

Ehh, when I select songs that are still locked, the song description on the lower screen turns red. Select the song again, the text turns white and the song plays.

So, you're right, I guess.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Cadmas on August 17, 2009, 08:42:34 AM
I had to reinstall AppLocale. Lost it in the system restore I did.
Yeah red warning text then click again to listen.

GO ! (http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc110/Cadmas/go.png)
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Slaves on August 17, 2009, 08:50:12 AM
yeah, as far as i know, all the games are like that. just press Z after it gives you the red text and the song plays.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Kojiremi on August 17, 2009, 10:20:50 AM
inb4 memes of Nue being an oldschool gamer who likes Frogger and Tic Tac Toe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDmNnfx7H4Y#t=9m24s excellent run bjw ^_^ good job mate
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: DgBarca on August 17, 2009, 11:05:43 AM
yeah, as far as i know, all the games are like that. just press Z after it gives you the red text and the song plays.
It was the same for MoF and SA...
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: ?q on August 17, 2009, 11:39:41 AM
Question: Does Easy Mode unlock Extra? If not, will playing Easy after 1CCing normal lock Extra for that character like in SA?
Answering this because there's no better place to ask about game mechanics.

You must 1cc Normal to unlock Extra.
1ccing Easy afterward does not relock Extra.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Moerin on August 17, 2009, 11:53:32 AM
I find it funny how people thought she's similar to Flandre due to her look and Heian Alien was posted, turns out she's much more normal, childish or you may even say innocent.

...Which is exactly what I've been saying all this time!  Finally, people see it!  And I still think Heian Alien sounds more like Dark Side of Fate then U.N. Owen...  (Also, according to TV Tropes people have been calling Nue "U.F. Owen", which is odd because I haven't seen anyone call her that, here or on Poosh.)

...Speaking of TV Tropes, it seems that CAPTAIN MINAMITSU MOTHERFUCKING MURASA is now officially a meme.  Yay~
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Cadmas on August 17, 2009, 12:06:58 PM
Quote from: touhou wiki
Shou Toramaru: Possibly a reference to Fatty from JoJo's Bizarre Adeventure, whose stand 'Harvest' (which has line like patterns similar to Shou's tiger one) gathered things at his request, in the most notable case it was lottery tickets, one of which was a winner (A treasure in itself). Some fat jokes about Shou have started to appear from this.

Letty shall no longer be alone.

As for the Nue being compare to Flandre. Na...
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Tengukami on August 17, 2009, 12:44:41 PM
Oh wow, I kind of like Nue's personality.
Seems like she's the kind that likes pranks, but has no intent to hurt anyone, and most importantly, she feels GUILT that she got in Murasa and friends' way.
I can't think of anyone other than her that ever feels guilty really, even those that cause incidents and stuff, they just go have tea party after.

I find it funny how people thought she's similar to Flandre due to her look and Heian Alien was posted, turns out she's much more normal, childish or you may even say innocent.

She does have a childlike quality that makes her closer to mischevious than malicious, and that I really like a lot.

Sanae, on the other hand, is apparently a mindless drone without her own personality, influenced entirely by whoever she's working for.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Gpop on August 17, 2009, 03:19:26 PM
I find it funny how people thought she's similar to Flandre due to her look and Heian Alien was posted, turns out she's much more normal, childish or you may even say innocent.

...Which is exactly what I've been saying all this time!  Finally, people see it!  And I still think Heian Alien sounds more like Dark Side of Fate then U.N. Owen...  (Also, according to TV Tropes people have been calling Nue "U.F. Owen", which is odd because I haven't seen anyone call her that, here or on Poosh.)

...Speaking of TV Tropes, it seems that CAPTAIN MINAMITSU MOTHERFUCKING MURASA is now officially a meme.  Yay~

I don't think Nue herself is like Flandre. Mostly some parts of her theme.

Also, Heian Alien is the best theme in all of UFO.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Alfred F. Jones on August 17, 2009, 04:10:26 PM
According to Nue, the UFOs have a face if you want them to.

This would explain why I keep thinking that the UFOs have little :3 faces on them.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Slaves on August 17, 2009, 05:31:13 PM
i just thought of something:

in the Prologue, Marisa says something about a UFO turning into a snake(and then a bird i think). does that mean that Nue's holding a Seed of the Unknown instead of an actual snake?

of course she might be holding one because Nues have snakes for tails.

and because having a snake wrap around a bigass trident is totally badass.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Garlyle on August 17, 2009, 05:43:11 PM
Cosmic Mind, I love.  Now I do.  At first I thought it sorta plain, too, but I realised it's basically built on the same formula as other final boss themes (There's a serious Suwa Foughten Field feel to it)

Also, I love the stage 6 music.  Stage 4 gets stuck in my head.  Don't notice too much about Stage 5 or Extra yet [too busy being PO'd at how hard Extra is], but their boss themes make up for it.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: RainfallYoshi on August 17, 2009, 06:07:46 PM
Romance in the Night Sky (Extra theme) is so much win. It's my new favorite Extra theme. The awesome sound effects thrown in are win as well.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Nine West on August 17, 2009, 06:45:14 PM
Looking at imageboards, the popularity of the new UFO characters seems to go:

Byakuren Hiziri > Captain Murasa Minamitu > Nue Houjuu > Syou Toramaru

Of course, I could be wrong.


i just thought of something:

in the Prologue, Marisa says something about a UFO turning into a snake(and then a bird i think). does that mean that Nue's holding a Seed of the Unknown instead of an actual snake?

of course she might be holding one because Nues have snakes for tails.

and because having a snake wrap around a bigass trident is totally badass.

I can only assume that the form of Nue as we see now (meaning a loli) is her true form because of this:
Quote from: Nue Houjuu
But now that you've seen me, I'll have to bury you
so I can go back to being an unknown.

I know that her ability is to 'hide her true form,' but that might refer to her possession of the Seed of Unknown Form, which allow her to hide the true form of anything. So, in Extra, Reimu, Marisa, and Sanae have seen her true form, which is the girl we're seeing now. This isn't necessarily right, but if somehow, the Nue we're seeing now is not her true form, then that would open up a lot of other interpretations of her.

Also, apparently, Nue was the midboss of Stages 4 and 6 (the blue light orb). Now, this means that she can use those seeds to hide her 'true form,' but sadly, from what I've seen, she can't control the appearance of the object the seed is attached to, as it is completely subjective from one's experience.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: RainfallYoshi on August 17, 2009, 07:03:10 PM
Nue is so awesome.

Also, while I agree that Nue and Flandre are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, I will say that some of Nue's attacks are rather Flandre-ish.

Her early battle non-spells are circular waves that Nue spews out at rapid fire and that get more and more randomized each time. Very reminiscent of Flandre's non-spells.

Her later battle nonspells basically rain orbs of death on you. While they are bigger and more sparse, the execution is much like Starbow Break.

And lastly, her survival card is definitely inspired by And Then There Will Be None?. Lots of cages and things similar to Flandre.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: ?q on August 17, 2009, 07:07:59 PM
Her early battle non-spells are circular waves that Nue spews out at rapid fire and that get more and more randomized each time. Very reminiscent of Flandre's non-spells.
...not at all.

Nue is easily the most overrated of the new characters.  To contrast, it's hard to overrate Byakuren and the Cap'n.  Shou unfortunately doesn't have much of a draw to her; she reminds me of Sister Bikini from the Phoenix Wright series.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Azinth on August 17, 2009, 07:22:18 PM
The extra stage is a giant pile of piss and fail.  The only good thing it even has going for it is the stage theme (Nue's theme is a crappy song, stop lying to yourselves); the stage and boss fight themselves are lazy and uninspired in almost every way.  Unless I have a massive change of heart (which I seriously doubt), I now have a new least favorite Windows extra.  Congratulations Suwako, you've been promoted.  As for Nue as a character, I don't have much of an opinion on her currently, though her poorly designed stage isn't really helping her.

Story mode is pretty fun so far though.  :V
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: RainfallYoshi on August 17, 2009, 07:23:51 PM
I also agree that Nue is overrated, but it doesn't stop her from being awesome. :3 I also felt that some of her attacks were Flandre-ish, but I may be looking too hard into it.

As far as underrated characters go, Ichirin is rather underrated too. Sure, people were all "UNZAN BRO FIST YAH" for awhile, but she kinda got ignored once the full game came out.

It's rather sad because she has an amazing theme and a fun boss battle. I also like her design, she's so different from the usual Touhou character.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Drake on August 17, 2009, 07:43:55 PM
Ichirin is a nun.

Unzan is a giant red angry cloud face with fists of rage.

Choice is obvious?
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: ?q on August 17, 2009, 07:44:50 PM
Tip:  The more you say "Flandre", the more overrated Nue becomes, because Flandre is the current #1 for overratedness, closely followed by Shinki.

Now that I'm done venting (nothing personal)...

I disagree with Azinth about the extra stage being fail; I actually like it best because it's not what most Extra stages are:
*Sudden barrage
*Wait
*Another sudden barrage
*Wait
*Attack that kills newbs but is actually trivializable
*Wait
*Another attack that kills newbs but is actually trivializable
*Wait
*An attack that would be difficult but you can kill the enemies that shoot the bullets immediately
*Wait
*Another attack that would be (etc.)

Yes, it's much harder than any of the other Extra stages.  Yes, Kogasa is probably the cheapest of the Extra sub-bosses.  That doesn't make it a steaming pile.  Plus I don't remember ZUN using these patterns before, so I'm not sure how it's lazy or uninspired.  Also, the stage theme needs more love.

Ichirin would probably be liked more if she didn't slow the game down to 30FPS for a lot of people - not that that's slowing down Murasa's fanbase.  Plus a lot of people (like me) find her theme uninspired.  Last and adding to what Drake said, she's kind of a lackey who doesn't do much without Unzan.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: RainfallYoshi on August 17, 2009, 07:49:09 PM
Doesn't the fact that she completely controls Unzan mean anything? Unzan would be nothing without Ichirin to control it. Soo... wouldn't Unzan be the lackie? :3
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: ?q on August 17, 2009, 07:50:48 PM
They're kind of both the gate guardians for the flying palanquin, and not really special in the scheme of things...

...great.  Now I'm starting to draw EoSD comparisons.  >_>
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: RainfallYoshi on August 17, 2009, 07:57:00 PM
Bwahaha.

Anyways, I agree with you about UFO Extra. It's probably one of my favorites in that it's really fun to play through. Sure, you can try to memorize general things, but it's still somewhat different everytime.

Kogasa's Wheel of Fortune Laser Death is an eye-rape though.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Slaves on August 17, 2009, 08:00:34 PM
i think everyone's being too harsh. saying things like "Extra stage is SHIT","Byakuren is SHIT"(on difficulty basis, not fun factor) and whatnot are really just plain stupid. i bet nobody liked SA in the beginning, either.

the game hasn't even been out for a week for God's sake. of course everything is going to be hard. Touhou focuses on memorization of patterns, and you're not going to memorize everything in 3 days.

i'm also really fed up with the majority of the PC98 fanatics hating the game because none of their favorites came back, and they're seeing nothing past that.

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Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on August 17, 2009, 08:10:24 PM
I think part of the issue with the PC-98 fanatics is that rather than getting the return of any PC-98 characters, they got something like the return of a few PC-98 references -- they're in Makai, Shinki's "spell card," etc. This is just close enough to "bringing Shinki or Mima back" that it gets their attention, but still light-years away from actually doing so to the point that it also gets their RAGE.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: RainfallYoshi on August 17, 2009, 08:11:20 PM
I like it much better that ZUN is giving us a nod PC-98 is still canon without inserting characters in.

As much as I said I would love a Chiyuri comeback, I honestly think it's better that it didn't happen. I'm loving the UFO cast way too much to think that older characters could have replaced them.
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Post by: Kojiremi on August 17, 2009, 08:18:37 PM
I'm sure there will be patches for both UNL and UFO that will fix/enhance things as time goes on too. IaMP and SWR had a whole lot of patches after they were released. UFO will probably get some as well. It seems the shooters don't get too many patches compared to the previous 2 fighters but i'm sure somethin will come...

I like UFO overall as i find it fun and exciting. New systems and ways to do things.   Even if some of the patterns are based off old characters or theme songs based off old characters its still good and its nice to have a little "trip down memory lane" I dun mind the throwbacks at older stuff at all. Kinda makes me want to play LLS, MS and EoSD all over again-actually thinking about it i only beat Alice once in MS. Think i'll go do a second hehe.
I like it much better that ZUN is giving us a nod PC-98 is still canon without inserting characters in.

As much as I said I would love a Chiyuri comeback, I honestly think it's better that it didn't happen. I'm loving the UFO cast way too much to think that older characters could have replaced them.
I didn't think of it like that haha nice. Yeah doing this is kinda affirming PC-98 is still canon material for the series.

I wouldnt' mind if some old chars came back. I mean imagine if outta no where Shinki the EX-boss? (upgraded from final to EX lol) I mean Gengetu and Mugetu had nothing to do with the story and they were EX bosses. woulda been funny if ZUN did that again. Simply because you was in makai you met Shinki again.

I love the new chars to though. Gotta welcome them nicely and warmly ^_^
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Post by: ?q on August 17, 2009, 08:22:14 PM
I'm sure there will be patches for... UFO
...

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i bet nobody liked SA in the beginning, either.
Actually, this is the best response overall that I've seen to a new game.
Normally the hate starts just before the demo is released, drops after about a month, builds back up about two days before release day, and stays around until people start to realize that they don't hate the game so it's okay to stop acting like they do.
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Post by: Helepolis on August 17, 2009, 08:37:02 PM
Read ZUNs afterward on Wiki about Touhou 12. It gives quite interesting information.

While the Extra theme fanboys love it. I don't love it. But neither I call it bad and "LOL THIS SUCKS". It is just not giving any charming effect. Same goes for Stage 4 bgm, also not charming.

Personal feelings about music:
Stage 1 - Awesome opener, pumps you up for the game. Very energetic and "flying"
Nazrin - Fits. Have no complaints. You can literally hear the mouse play.

Stage 2 - Again good follow up stage song. You feel like going even higher into the sky chasing that ship.
Kogasa - Fits. The poor umbrella's song is brought to life. At the raincard spell it fits even more as the music synchs great.

Stage 3 - I feel like being close to that ship in the sky. Yet you can't reach it yet.
Ichirin - Opening is really poor but it becomes better through out the song. Not charmed.

Stage 4 - Unexpected change of tune and style. Fits the "wtf is this ship no treasure" theme. Groovy and dark.
Murasa - The best opener in the entire game for my feeling. It really pumps you up for the battle. Just like Kogasa's theme.

Stage 5 - You know you are somewhere weird and it feels grand. Nazrin appearing here also fits the theme again.
Shou - Unexpected boss song, sounds sinister but I am really not charmed. The song and her appearance make me thing of ancient Aztec.

Stage 6 - Heart fills up the void. It is quite dramatic as if you can hear the heart of Byakuren beating. Though it is not pumping you up for battle, it does gives that dramatic feeling. Especially when suddenly seeing Byakuren's beauty (she is drawn within a gloomy/dreamy haze imo).
Byakuren - Cosmic Mind for sure. It fits the character, her desires and motives. It fits as a final boss to me. It caused me goosebumps which I only had with Kanako's theme and Remilia's theme in Touhou.

Extra stage - It feels very unspired but somewhat fitting. I can't really judge this song. It just is not complete.
Nue - I guess it fits her weird unpredictable form and appearance. But aside from that it is not a charming song. I don't care if it reminds people of U.N Owen. If you discard that, what is left over is uninspired.

To sum it up:
Stage 1, 2, 3, 5 and Nazrin, Kogasa, Murasa, Byakuren are the ones that on first hearing caught my attention. Doesn't mean I hate the other songs.
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Post by: Nine West on August 17, 2009, 08:39:56 PM
Doesn't the fact that she completely controls Unzan mean anything? Unzan would be nothing without Ichirin to control it. Soo... wouldn't Unzan be the lackie? :3

I'd like to think that Ichirin and Unzan are somewhat of a Trainer and Pokemon. The former gets the responsibility to take command over her companion, while the latter gets the honor to do flashy techniques. Ichirin does have some Danmaku of her own, so she's not just standing on the sidelines. Coordination is their key to victory.
But Unzan is STILL the more memorable due to the above reason.


I think part of the issue with the PC-98 fanatics is that rather than getting the return of any PC-98 characters, they got something like the return of a few PC-98 references -- they're in Makai, Shinki's "spell card," etc. This is just close enough to "bringing Shinki or Mima back" that it gets their attention, but still light-years away from actually doing so to the point that it also gets their RAGE.

Exactly. ZUN really set up the stage for a perfect PC-98 comeback, except... new characters. Oh, Shit. He even teased PC-98 fanatics by giving Byakuren Shinki's Danmaku pattern; something like that is not tolerable for people who want Shinki to come back. Although, another way to see it is that ZUN has never wanted a PC-98 characters' comeback but instead, he designed UFO with PC-98 nostalgia in mind, which is a perfect way to see what he has done with UFO, as seen in Stage 6.

In all reality, ZUN really doesn't have any reason to revive PC-98 characters. But we'll see what happens in the future...
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Post by: Alfred F. Jones on August 17, 2009, 09:25:20 PM
the game hasn't even been out for a week for God's sake. of course everything is going to be hard. Touhou focuses on memorization of patterns, and you're not going to memorize everything in 3 days.

This. I'm going to save it and repost it every time a new game comes out.

Also, PC-98 fans that are raging confuse me. I mean, UFO stage 5 and 6 are in Makai. Stage 5 is in a provincial city in the outskirts of Makai, and stage 6 is Hokkai, a distant corner of it. The backgrounds and some of the enemies are throwbacks to MS, as well as the Shinki card. The buildings are an obvious reference to Shinki's final background, if nothing else. Anyone who wants PC-98 to return is missing something big: IT JUST DID.*

Should also be noted that Shinkicard isn't quite an exact copy of her attack, it's a bit more complex than the original version and adds another wave of bullets at the end. Though it does give you more room than Shinki's version.

*Besides. Bringing Mima and Shinki back would ruin them. They would need last names. And they wouldn't be Mima and Shinki with last names. :V
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Post by: Cadmas on August 17, 2009, 09:33:38 PM
I believe the only hope any PC-98s have is to come back in another Phantasmagoria or some other type of spin off shooter. I also believe only PC-98 to ever make it back into a game is Alice. (Reimu & Marisa don't count and Yuka was in a Phantasmagoria).  ZUN doesn't seem to like to bring old bosses into new games.

If I'd have to say which PC-98 I'd like to see come back the most it would be Elly.

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Besides. Bringing Mima and Shinki back would ruin them.

Meh Yuka seemed to fair well and Alice seems to be all the more better.
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Post by: E-Nazrin on August 17, 2009, 10:46:00 PM
WHY HAS NO ONE POINTED OUT THE SPACE INVADER FAIRIES OF STAGE 6 YET
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Post by: Suikama on August 17, 2009, 10:48:40 PM
WHY HAS NO ONE POINTED OUT THE SPACE INVADER FAIRIES OF STAGE 6 YET
Well uh it's mentioned on the wiki...
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Post by: Nine West on August 17, 2009, 10:50:02 PM
WHY HAS NO ONE POINTED OUT THE SPACE INVADER FAIRIES OF STAGE 6 YET

I'm pretty sure I already said EVERYTHING FROM STAGE 6 IS A REFERENCE

HELL THE DAMN FAIRIES MAKE A SPACE INVADERS LINE
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Post by: Kojiremi on August 17, 2009, 11:06:33 PM
I dun think any noticed this yet but. I was playing Normal and managed to get to stage 6 for the first time finally (with only 1.8 lives and 0 bombs and game overed on the shinki attack...man so close haha) and I noticed this


Byakuren's opening attack
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa11/kojiros/remilook-a-like.jpg)

looks a lot like Remilia's opening attack
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa11/kojiros/Remiopen.jpg)

Byaku's was easier though but still haha. they look similar and are opening attacks. pretty sweet.
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Post by: homing curvy laser on August 17, 2009, 11:17:13 PM
Byakuren's opener reminds me more of one of Flandre's spell cards than Remi's opener.
By the way, does anyone have a full Lunatic run replay?

As for PC-98 fans (like me, I guess), don't worry - if they're ever going to come back, they're probably going to do so on another Phantasmagoria-like game, like Yuka did. Well, Alice did come  back too and it was on a normal game, butbtub
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Post by: Letty Whiterock on August 17, 2009, 11:19:45 PM
*Besides. Bringing Mima and Shinki back would ruin them. They would need last names. And they wouldn't be Mima and Shinki with last names. :V
Yeah, like Nazrin and Chen.
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Post by: Kojiremi on August 17, 2009, 11:25:00 PM
*Besides. Bringing Mima and Shinki back would ruin them. They would need last names. And they wouldn't be Mima and Shinki with last names. :V
Yeah, like Nazrin and Chen.
isn't Chen technically Chen Yakumo though?
But what about Cirno? she too has no last name and like Shinki and Mima, is pretty popular. Too bad for Orange, Rumia, Daiyousei etc though haha. I particularly like Rumia thought but ah well.
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Post by: Nine West on August 17, 2009, 11:28:53 PM
I dun think any noticed this yet but. I was playing Normal and managed to get to stage 6 for the first time finally (with only 1.8 lives and 0 bombs and game overed on the shinki attack...man so close haha) and I noticed this

Byakuren's opening attack

looks a lot like Remilia's opening attack

Quote from: CAPTAIN MURASA MINADRAKE
STAGE 6 IS TRIPPY AS HELL
MUSIC IS LIKE A HEARTBEAT
REMILIA STYLE OPENER

Yeah, Drake pretty much covered everything in the old UFO hype thread.


*Besides. Bringing Mima and Shinki back would ruin them. They would need last names. And they wouldn't be Mima and Shinki with last names. :V

I fail to see why those two need last names, and as Letty pointed out, some Windows characters don't have last names.
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Post by: Letty Whiterock on August 17, 2009, 11:31:23 PM
isn't Chen technically Chen Yakumo though?
Chen is a shikigami of a shikigami. Technically part of the family, but not quite a Yakumo.
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Post by: Kojiremi on August 17, 2009, 11:42:15 PM

Yeah, Drake pretty much covered everything in the old UFO hype thread.

Awww someone beat me to it then. i didn't even think about the old UFO thread at all haha. dang. well at least i tried to show it eh? haha.

Chen is a shikigami of a shikigami. Technically part of the family, but not quite a Yakumo.
but but but how can one be a part of the family without having the family name?  ??? lol sounds like a friend of the family. ah well no matter. I still think of her as Chen Yakumo. Alright then.
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Post by: ?q on August 18, 2009, 12:00:03 AM
Byakuren's opener reminds me more of one of Flandre's spell cards than Remi's opener.
I'm assuming you mean Catadioptric.
Neither it nor Remilia's opener are good resemblances tbqh.

Also, there's not a huge resemblance to Remilia's opener, either...
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By the way, does anyone have a full Lunatic run replay?
When someone 1ccs Lunatic they'll probably let everyone know.

@Chen:  Chen is not predictable powerful enough to have the Yakumo name.
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Post by: Slaves on August 18, 2009, 12:06:32 AM

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By the way, does anyone have a full Lunatic run replay?
When someone 1ccs Lunatic they'll probably let everyone know.

someone already 1CCed Lunatic, there's videos of it on Youtube.

but they're really crappy.(videos, not the playing)

they're not Western though.
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Post by: Suikama on August 18, 2009, 02:17:27 AM
UFO Lunatic 1CC (http://www.touhoureplays.com/img/345.rpy)
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Post by: Alfred F. Jones on August 18, 2009, 02:28:56 AM
UFO Lunatic 1CC (http://www.touhoureplays.com/img/345.rpy)

I'm going to watch this for sheer WTF factor. :V
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Post by: mark2000 on August 18, 2009, 03:46:28 AM
funny how I found easy and normal to be almost identical (by that I mean easy is almost as hard as normal), which is pretty different compared to SA.

Anyway, I can't decide on which one is easier when it comes to stockpiling lives, the spirit item system or this one. One time, I was practically racking up lives ever other minute out of sheer luck and I would've probably filled the 8 star limit before stage 4 if only I wasn't constantly making stupid mistakes.
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Post by: Reprosa on August 18, 2009, 04:01:48 AM
UFO Lunatic 1CC (http://www.touhoureplays.com/img/345.rpy)

There's a real gap here between the silly shit that he died to and the difficulty of things he managed to cap (like Byakuren's endless drifting nonspell).

also 70 fps what
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Post by: Alice Fact on August 18, 2009, 04:02:28 AM
probably turned on vsync or something
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Post by: homing curvy laser on August 18, 2009, 04:27:34 AM
UFO Lunatic 1CC (http://www.touhoureplays.com/img/345.rpy)
70 FPS
OH GOD
By the way, according to this, Byakuren seems harder than Utsuho - although I couldn't really check it due to desync olololo

It's nice to see that ZUN somehow fixed that issue on UFO.

By the way, do you think there's any chance she might come back in another fighter, with her awesome smile and awesome theme and awesome sunset?
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Post by: Tengukami on August 18, 2009, 04:28:16 AM
UFO Lunatic 1CC (http://www.touhoureplays.com/img/345.rpy)

(http://i32.tinypic.com/nx589t.jpg)
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Post by: Slaves on August 18, 2009, 04:33:16 AM
By the way, do you think there's any chance she might come back in another fighter, with her awesome smile and awesome theme and awesome sunset?

if she does that's fine.

but is swear to god if she steals CAPTAIN MURASA's spot i will kill hard
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Post by: DgBarca on August 18, 2009, 12:23:49 PM
funny how I found easy and normal to be almost identical (by that I mean easy is almost as hard as normal), which is pretty different compared to SA.

Anyway, I can't decide on which one is easier when it comes to stockpiling lives, the spirit item system or this one. One time, I was practically racking up lives ever other minute out of sheer luck and I would've probably filled the 8 star limit before stage 4 if only I wasn't constantly making stupid mistakes.

WTF Easy modo is just the easier of all the touhou series ! In normal mode the Final stage is all multiply by 4, and there is 1 card that isn't in easy modo...
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Post by: Kilgamayan on August 18, 2009, 01:18:43 PM
*Besides. Bringing Mima and Shinki back would ruin them. They would need last names. And they wouldn't be Mima and Shinki with last names. :V
Yeah, like Nazrin and Chen.

Yeah, because a Stage 1 Boss and Stage 2 boss mean just as much as two final bosses, one of which has been playable before.
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Post by: Suikama on August 18, 2009, 03:03:45 PM
UFO Lunatic 1CC (http://www.touhoureplays.com/img/345.rpy)

There's a real gap here between the silly shit that he died to and the difficulty of things he managed to cap (like Byakuren's endless drifting nonspell).

also 70 fps what
derp

I'll try to find a more legit looking 1cc then :V


Here we go: http://replay.royalflare.net/replay/th12_uda714.rpy


Also
Quote from: Reimu
Well, do whatever you want.
I won't seal you away for now, but ...

At least, just for now, okay?

After all, I'm no friend of yours.
Reimu is tsundere towards youkai.
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Post by: Letty Whiterock on August 18, 2009, 09:28:15 PM
*Besides. Bringing Mima and Shinki back would ruin them. They would need last names. And they wouldn't be Mima and Shinki with last names. :V
Yeah, like Nazrin and Chen.

Yeah, because a Stage 1 Boss and Stage 2 boss mean just as much as two final bosses, one of which has been playable before.
Chen was an Extra Stage mini-boss too, ya know.
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Post by: Psieye on August 19, 2009, 12:26:20 AM
Fuwah........ I've beaten Nue... finally I can read the forums again after RL kept me busy for several hours after UFO came out... And just after I beat Nue, I managed to do this (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=4394), though I'm not sure where the 5% slow came from - must have been a virus scanner or something, I did notice the music wasn't quite in sync with my numerous previous attempts.

Well, that's the 4th Normal 1cc I pulled off even if this particular one was Slow-assisted. I took 2 days off work just for UFO and my "must beat EX" quest is now complete. Ah... back when I was first meeting these spellcards...

I managed to dodge Murasa's anchor and the wake afterwards and thought this would be an easy spellcard. I died because I didn't realise those debris left behind by the anchor actually does move (extremely slowly). Was waiting right next to one bullet when it crept up on me and killed me. Murasa's drowning ghost survival card was a good surprise too, as was meeting Nazrin again. Shou's non-spell curvy lasers had me dying a lot as I got my reflexes attuned to them and that "double dual-lightsabre" spellcard (her 3rd, the ultimate Buddhist art) wrecked me often for when the lights were going backwards. Byakuren then brought the curvy laser hell on full force, then followed up with Shinki and finally the traditional "FAT HP spellcard you'll die frustrated on" finisher.

As for the Lore, I liked Nazrin so I was happy to see her have a bigger part in the story (and backstory) than what most Stage 1 bosses get. Ichirin, Murasa, Shou, Nazrin and Byakuren form the UFO family... I'll be interested in what the Doujin Engine produces for them. Speaking of which, Shou's oxymoron nature is really intriguing. A youkai who is a representative of Vaisravana, who is kinda like one of the highest figures in the 'Buddhist pantheon'. That's like encountering a Vampire who also happens to be a High Priest - how the heck a being so vulnerable to Faith has reached such a high rank in Religion is... well it's the chief appeal to Shou as a character for me. The tiger hair is a bonus.

People have commented on Serial Exterminator Reimu et al. being 'in the wrong' this time, and the subsequent defence of the protagonists. A friend of mine summed up our heroines' motivations quite nicely thus: "B-path = Academia, A-path = CARNAL LUST" (be it Greed or THE JOY OF EXTERMINATING). Of interest is that for most youkai characters in Gensokyo we know, Reimu has Exterminated them before, yet they're still alive and are hardly sealed up or anything. Even Awakened Exterminator Sanae comments to Kogasa that unless she does something truly suicidal (e.g. rampage at the Moriya shrine), she won't exterminate her for real. Heck, way back in EoSD Reimu and Remilia were talking as if Reimu had murdered Sakuya. Point is: what they say before exchanging danmaku, with adrenaline rushing to their heads, probably shouldn't be taken too seriously.

With Byakuren, even Serial Exterminator Reimu who cheerfully said she'd seal her up again, doesn't actually do so as the endings and the EX epilogue dialogues make clear. Reimu's routine for new Youkai Characters (i.e. those intelligent enough for conversation and danmaku, as opposed to mindless ones unworthy to be mentioned in the story) is:
1) Auto-racist discrimination
2) Get to know them through Danmaku play
3) Get to know them when they show up (uninvited) for tea

I'd need to sit down with a Kanji dictionary to understand both Reimu endings I've archived, but I suspect they'll tell me Byakuren realises Reimu's tsundere ways as she gets to know how Gensokyo operates. So yeah, our protagonists were 'in the wrong' for this story but they don't actually do any real damage while being in the wrong.


Now as for Nue... goodness a lot of half-tangible story ideas are coming up for her in my head. Given her source of power is Being Anon and Human Fear... and that she joins the Byakuren family... plus Marisa again being the one to make the most out of that meeting (she really does hit it off with EX children {mental age, ignore chronological age})... Time to wait 4 months, 8 months and 12 months to see what the Doujin Engine does with her.

Over at Pixiv in these early days after UFO release, the rankings for "most number of pictures dedicated to them" (of those we haven't seen from the demo) goes:
1st: Byakuren
2nd: Nue
3rd: Captain Murasa
4th: Shou

That covers images of all quality, from nooblah scribbles to works of art. I'm interested in seeing which character each of my best-regarded Pixiv artists decides to work on first. Two of them picked Captain Murasa (http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=5691065) and Shou (http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=5691369) already. I see I've also got this group shot (http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=5694439) favourite'd.
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Post by: Nine West on August 19, 2009, 01:02:15 AM
Heck, way back in EoSD Reimu and Remilia were talking as if Reimu had murdered Sakuya. Point is: what they say before exchanging danmaku, with adrenaline rushing to their heads, probably shouldn't be taken too seriously.

Quote from: Nue Houjuu
You human who's forgotten the fear of night!
Die from the terror of this unidentified flying object!!

^ lol
Danmaku is harmless
lol
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Post by: Cadmas on August 19, 2009, 01:43:47 AM
Little girls like to talk big game.
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Post by: Slaves on August 19, 2009, 01:47:03 AM

Danmaku is harmless

then how do they get their clothes ripped ???
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Post by: Nine West on August 19, 2009, 01:48:20 AM
then how do they get their clothes ripped ???

That's just ZUN's way of providing crappy fanservice, you know.
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Post by: Slaves on August 19, 2009, 01:50:24 AM
ZUN

fanservice

lol

anyway i like to think of their fights as deadly, but nobody ever dies because the fight ends when someone gets hit just enough.

plus, Mokou dies every time you clear her spellcards, so yeah
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Post by: Nine West on August 19, 2009, 01:57:45 AM
anyway i like to think of their fights as deadly, but nobody ever dies because the fight ends when someone gets hit just enough.

plus, Mokou dies every time you clear her spellcards, so yeah

Yeah, the only characters who can die are the ones who could get better by themselves.

Besides, is there ever a Touhou loli who got permanently disabled physically or emotionally due to Danmaku use in canon? Case in point, Danmaku is perfectly OK for little kids.
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Post by: Cadmas on August 19, 2009, 02:04:01 AM
They probably end up ripping their own clothes through swift dodging.
I think Zun said in one of his interviews that danmaku deal spiritual damage w/e that means.

Mokou probably kills herself because she thinks it looks cool. :P
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Post by: Slaves on August 19, 2009, 02:11:46 AM
well with abilities like "able to kill a human any time she wants","power to cause shipwrecks", and "power to spread diseases", i think the Touhou girls are pretty powerful.

that and i just like the idea of little girls being able to break mountains in half(SUWAKO FUCK YEAHHHH)and stuff.
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Post by: shinyjam on August 19, 2009, 02:41:50 AM
Besides, is there ever a Touhou loli who got permanently disabled physically or emotionally due to Danmaku use in canon? Case in point, Danmaku is perfectly OK for little kids.
The theoretical reason of why Yukari need to sleep so much.

Also, almost every Youkai before the introduction of spell card rule.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Nine West on August 19, 2009, 03:33:12 AM
Besides, is there ever a Touhou loli who got permanently disabled physically or emotionally due to Danmaku use in canon? Case in point, Danmaku is perfectly OK for little kids.
The theoretical reason of why Yukari need to sleep so much.

Also, almost every Youkai before the introduction of spell card rule.

Except that they've never been confirmed by ZUN.

Also, the canonical pre-spell card era is Touhou 1-5. Does that mean that the PC-98 characters are currently recovering from serious injuries?

Wait... that actually makes more sense than it should.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Dan-Heron on August 19, 2009, 04:00:12 AM
Also
Quote from: Reimu
Well, do whatever you want.
I won't seal you away for now, but ...

At least, just for now, okay?

After all, I'm no friend of yours.
Reimu is tsundere towards youkai.

well, look at that, character development! Does Sanae drops the zealot act or she remains the same? And what about Marisa?
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Psieye on August 19, 2009, 09:12:33 AM
Come to think of it, UFO sure made me restart runs a lot because I failed to pull off an acceptably excellent UFO chain in the early sections (i.e. Stage 1~2 on Story, before mid-boss on EX). Had to train myself not to be reckless in the latter sections with UFOs, though with EX it was only the all-directional shooting-fest where I had to hold back.

anyway i like to think of their fights as deadly, but nobody ever dies because the fight ends when someone gets hit just enough.

plus, Mokou dies every time you clear her spellcards, so yeah
Oh, I like to compare spellcard duels with medieval sword fights (both Eastern and Western). Swinging swords at each other is deadly yes, but the objective isn't to kill and it was a great shock if the duelists actually did die as a result - see e.g. Shakesphere, Romeo & Juliet, the moment when Tibalt kills Mercutio. A fight occurred due to emotions getting to the head, but the kill itself was accidental.

That is, while they fling around deadly projectiles all over the place, the victory condition is "first blood" - an ounce of blood in sword duels, a single hit in danmaku duels. Combatants trust each other to not get killed by only letting themselves get hit (through protective barriers and such) in non-fatal areas and that "post-death bullet clearing" shockwave. I think that's like a defensive ability to wipe away bullets, and its use signals acknowledgement of defeat in the duel. It's not something a newbie human can do - only high level human combatants can even begin to participate in spellcard duels (Youkai can handle damage better thanks to superior stamina, but still signal loss instead of risking death).

Good case would be Youmu's EX dialogue in IN: she mentions she doens't have to hold back at all against an immortal opponent. Everyone is normally holding back to not land an accidental killing blow, only a wounding blow. Having said that, I guess some characters fully meant to kill (e.g. Orin, Okuu, Nue) during the danmaku but still abided by the spellcard rules for appearance and honour's sake.

This all breaks down for IaMP and SWR of course... but different genres have differnet mechanics.




As for PC-98 characters returning... if you think from ZUN's perspective it's very difficult. ZUN has the entire Japanese Mythology as his source of inspiration. Coding, composing and drawing for the stages takes up most of his 1 year time to make games and he has a daytime job too. That means he's not short on story ideas and he wants to fill up Gensokyo with them. He doesn't have time to go back and explain what everyone from PC-98 has been up to all these years when big incidents were occurring.

Only place I have hope for a PC-98 return would be in canon manga and/or novels or even Music CDs. Not all Touhou characters have appeared in games yet we still accept them - the Watatsuki sisters on the Moon and Renko & Maribel in some outside world university. In a sense, ZUN has been handling the "so what did these new characters do during Big Gensokyo-wide Incidents (e.g. EoSD, PCB)?" by bringing them in from areas where they wouldn't have been affected. The Netherworld wouldn't have cared about a scarlet mist in the land of the living; Eientei was locked down in total isolation until IN; the Moriya shrine wasn't even in Gensokyo until MoF; the Celestial World certainly wouldn't be affected by anything down in Gensokyo but Tenshi could observe it prior to SWR; nothing that happened before would be noticed by the underground residents until SA opened up the tunnel; and Byakuren's family were similarly underground until SA kicked them out of the ground (I think that was Orin rather than the geysers).

Makes me wonder where TH13 will bring in new characters from. More formerly-underground Youkai? Maybe from Makai, stowed away on Captain Murasa's ship or such? Some new sector we haven't been introduced to yet? Or will ZUN explain in their profiles what they'd been up to during the previous Big Incidents? Maybe they wouldn't have been affected by those Incidents and thus won't need any explaining for how they reacted. Come to think of it, ZUN can leave it up to the Doujin Engine to explain what new characters were doing if they could have been exposed to previous Incidents.

Speaking of Makai, remember that MS was about getting Shinki to agree to not let anyone through to Gensokyo anymore. There is no reason for her (or the rest of the MS cast beyond Alice) to show up again unless our heroines specifically enter Makai themselves to go search for her. Mima is a mystery, and many doujins have given their interpretation of what she's been up to - staying in Makai over these years is one of the more popular solutions. Staying at the Hakurei shrine and not giving a damn what's going on outside (or even in a several-year long sleep) is the other popular interpretation.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Kojiremi on August 19, 2009, 09:46:38 AM
Hmmm. I think somewhere along the same lines. But some characters will "duel" you as an excuse to kill you still. Flandre's profile says
Quote
When vampires attack humans, they generally try to take their prey alive so that they can suck its blood afterward, but Flandre has always been fed with cooked dishes, so she doesn't know how to properly attack a human. Whenever she tries to attack a human, she fusses too much and blows them away without leaving a spot of blood.


Yuka is also known to use overwhelming attacks that blow away anything that stands in her way regardless of what it be, human or youkai when she's disturbed. of course supposedly they are insane/crazy but i think for the most part from the battles we see in the games, they go for the "first blood" victory. I think that unless the spellcard battle is requested they can kill you on the spot. In the reality of Gensokyo i can imagine that some humans and youkai battle without using the "proper" methods. "Rules meant to be broken" and all that jazz. But to be fair on both sides the spell card system helps equal out chances of survival. Of course the youkai we see in the games are ones that use these rules. Imagine an adventure touhou game where you explore your way to the games end while fighting hordes of youkai that attack surprisingly and with spellcard battles....that would be sweet actually hahah.

back on topic I FINALLY beat both Reimu options *normal* 1CC ^_^ that makes me happy did them both in a day 4 attempts altogether.  I got to Byakuren's final attack and she had 1/10 of her HP left and i DIED ;_; was using Marisa B *also normal*. Shoulda deathbombed but dammit. too slow...
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: stassy on August 19, 2009, 11:17:21 AM
According to his tweeter (and google crappy translation), ZUN met an USA pep during his autograph session at C76...who was that warrior strong enough to brave the 1k otaku line?  :o
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Suikama on August 19, 2009, 02:30:51 PM
Also
Quote from: Reimu
Well, do whatever you want.
I won't seal you away for now, but ...

At least, just for now, okay?

After all, I'm no friend of yours.
Reimu is tsundere towards youkai.

well, look at that, character development! Does Sanae drops the zealot act or she remains the same? And what about Marisa?
Uh sorta. Basically even though she's all like "yay let's kill youkai" she clearly doesn't exterminate anyone.

Also
Quote from: Sanae A
Well, it's not like I fought you because I wanted
to do something horrible to you.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Slaves on August 19, 2009, 02:38:47 PM
According to his tweeter (and google crappy translation), ZUN met an USA pep during his autograph session at C76...who was that warrior strong enough to brave the 1k otaku line?  :o

funny thing is, the google translation was probably pretty close to the kind of english skills ZUN has.

also wow at the Americans getting there. maybe it made ZUNs day to see that not all americans sit at home and pirate his stuff all day.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Psieye on August 19, 2009, 03:29:16 PM
Hmm, on the topic of "does Sanae have any personality of her own given she's channelling Kanako or Suwako's personality in UFO?" (see SSiB for how channelling gods is about channelling their personality), UNL shows a glimpse of what Sanae is really like when she's working alone. From that, Sanae B's EX dialogue feels close to her actual personality - the sort of wide-eyed romantic who sincerely believes in Santa late into her teen years (just to give a metaphor, not saying she'd actually believe Santa). Sanae was all excited over finding a Giant Robot in UNL and she's all excited over meeting an 'Alien' (Nue).

............ Thinking more on this, perhaps a faster description of Sanae's true personality would be "the desires of Suzumiya Haruhi but without the unstoppable, self-centred drive" - with adjustments given she already knew of the existence of gods and now has 2 plot-years' of experience with other weirdness. So yeah, "Vol 4 Haruhi" (if people can understand that) as opposed to the S1 Haruhi.

Hmm, though I do wonder... Sanae B in story mode had insecurities over her dignity (i.e. nobody taking her seriously). I wonder if that too is a piece of Suwako or if it's entirely her own.



In other news, UNL victory quotes tell us Nue is living at Byakuren's temple after being converted into Buddhism (thus ever expanding the collection of oxymorons that the UFO family is). Said temple was built with the aid of the Moriya shrine group, which I found surprising as it means Kanako helped a rival in Faith Gathering to setup shop. Then again, business politics sometimes means helping a rival and Kanako is a shrewd entrepreneur for sure...


Ohhh and Byakuren (http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=5724057) is the next subject of this artist (http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=5691369)'s work. Hmm, not as wonderful as that Shou one.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: GreenJR on August 19, 2009, 04:46:52 PM
*Sigh* :(

Well I attempted a No Bomb, Pacifist run of easy mode. Got my rear end handed to me at the 5th stage, but I will try again later. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=4410 (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=4410)) Here  is the replay for those who are curious.
It turned a lot harder than I expected, mainly for some of Kogasa's spellcards.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Slaves on August 19, 2009, 10:28:39 PM
finally, the mystery is solved!
Quote from:  Wiki
[CAPTAIN MURASA'S] stage theme has a distinctive Windows XP balloon hint "pop" around 2:08, which probably got in the recording, as stated in ZUN's Twitter.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: GreenJR on August 19, 2009, 10:39:17 PM
finally, the mystery is solved!
Quote from:  Wiki
[CAPTAIN MURASA'S] stage theme has a distinctive Windows XP balloon hint "pop" around 2:08, which probably got in the recording, as stated in ZUN's Twitter.
I always thought that was my computer. :-\
Well that's good to know. I didn't know ZUN had a twitter either.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Slaves on August 20, 2009, 04:09:53 AM
you know, i find it funny that this comic (http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll115/fruitfat/RACIST.png) i drew when only the demo was out is pretty much what Sanae is in the full version.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Tengukami on August 20, 2009, 06:43:21 AM
you know, i find it funny that this comic (http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll115/fruitfat/RACIST.png) i drew when only the demo was out is pretty much what Sanae is in the full version.

Who will be the youkai Rosa Parks?
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Drake on August 20, 2009, 06:47:41 AM
uh byakuren

you know maybe
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Helepolis on August 20, 2009, 07:25:20 AM
finally, the mystery is solved!
Quote from:  Wiki
[CAPTAIN MURASA'S] stage theme has a distinctive Windows XP balloon hint "pop" around 2:08, which probably got in the recording, as stated in ZUN's Twitter.

I am listening 1:55 to 2:20 but I cannot hear it. Either it is my shitty speakers or my ears going bad.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Cadmas on August 20, 2009, 07:28:34 AM
I heard the pop and then I felt that the sound was 9000X better.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Danielu Yoshikoto on August 20, 2009, 11:35:18 AM
i just plqyed through the game some days ago...

And because i couldn?t beat The game Normal 1cc (can?t even Easy 1cc) i decided to just F :V?d it and listen to the Extra Stage Stage and Boss music... to my surprise... the stage theme was good, bute the Boss theme was a huge disapointment. All the Past Extra Stage (and Phantasm) Boss Theme were better.

Also Curve lasers a bulls- *ZUUUUUUUUN*
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Helepolis on August 20, 2009, 08:35:02 PM
I seriously have to open my eyes: Captain Murasa's STAGE theme. And I was like bashing myself listening to her boss song. :V (God I feel stupid)

Now I heard it. Quite funny it occurs right at the part where the song goes smooth.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: homing curvy laser on August 20, 2009, 09:02:22 PM
I hope that pop sound is left there on the future arrangements.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Drake on August 20, 2009, 09:04:55 PM
I tried to do an MPC arrange of CAPTAIN MURASA. It didn't work very well :(
I just can't get the held trumpets and guitar. Flower and Pirahna suck ass.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Helepolis on August 20, 2009, 09:28:25 PM
I am busy writing tabs for Kogasa's theme =X It is a very lovely song if you listen to it with quality headphones. Brings out melody in the song you normally wouldn't hear because of all those SFX.
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Post by: Doomsday on August 20, 2009, 11:41:03 PM
as for that Murasa pop, i thought it was my computer the first few times i heard it. it still gets me sometimes now D:
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Slaves on August 20, 2009, 11:43:19 PM
as for that Murasa pop, i thought it was my computer the first few times i heard it. it still gets me sometimes now D:

me too

until i heard it when i was listening to my MP3, then i went "wait a second.."
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Post by: cleartailcat on August 21, 2009, 12:40:43 AM
I don't know if it's because I have very low standards, but I often find it hard to dislike anything. In games I like at least. No exception here.

As for how UFO compares to the other games, my initial reaction to it is better than most of the older games. Except for the UFO system. But the ufo's help me with the stage raep that is Lunatic mode so I'm not gonna complain that much.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: stassy on August 22, 2009, 09:19:13 AM
I seriously have to open my eyes: Captain Murasa's STAGE theme. And I was like bashing myself listening to her boss song. :V (God I feel stupid)

Now I heard it. Quite funny it occurs right at the part where the song goes smooth.

Funnier is that it happen several times in the track, meaning ZUN really need to clean out his desktop or apply microsoft updates  ;D
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Post by: Totaku on August 22, 2009, 02:00:54 PM
I'm surprised no one brought this up since this is connected to UFO for those who haven't bought it yet.

Apperently Doujin Shop is having a special sale going on right now!
(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/8814/1250840884677.jpg)

Basiclly if you go buy UFO from Doujin shop you can get all whole assortment of Seifuku Sanae themed goodies (designed by Alphes!) depending on the package you buy!

Ranging from either a trading card, poster and what looks like a keychain! I suppose N-Forza can help us out here! XD Cause in all seriousness, this is an awesome package I think would be worth having in my book.

Here's the link for all those interested.

http://doujinshop.com/doujin/seirensentop.htm
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Slaves on August 22, 2009, 04:24:09 PM
i just thought of a reason why Nue's one of the easier extra bosses:

ZUN wanted to make up for Koishi being batshit hard and Shou's curvy lasers.

i can also see upcoming fandom of Nue being tsundere.

which i will happily ignore.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on August 22, 2009, 06:14:54 PM
i can also see upcoming fandom of Nue being tsundere.
Um, any particular reason?

(I mean, Reimu's the one who was being actively "tsundere" about it :V)
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Slaves on August 22, 2009, 06:24:12 PM
Um, any particular reason?

(I mean, Reimu's the one who was being actively "tsundere" about it :V)

hmm, now that i think about it, tsundere wasn't exactly the right word.

..and i can't think of one.

:V...
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Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on August 22, 2009, 06:37:29 PM
Maybe describe the traits then? :o
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Slaves on August 22, 2009, 06:44:00 PM
well, she seems to like to play tricks on people(including scaring), and i'm thinking when she approached Byakuren about the UFO incident and apologized she had trouble with it. like, she did it with her head turned, red-faced, and she muttered it like "I'm sorry..I guess..".

at least that's me thinking like a japanese comic artist. :V

i guess she'd be like that one kid in school that was always picking on people and was always made to apologize in front of the class.

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Post by: Zengar Zombolt on August 22, 2009, 06:46:04 PM
"I-It's not like I want to apologize or something!"
Yep. Pretty Tsundere to me.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Psieye on August 23, 2009, 03:24:10 AM
Hizengar's interpretation would fit Tsundere. Slaves' interpretation doesn't fit Tsundere, but is closer to my interpretation of Nue.

In my vision, Nue would have her head down, eyes tight shut and face flushed. It's doubly humiliating for her not just because of the shame but also because she's having to reveal her true form to a whole group of people (because it's not an apology unless she gives it to Shou and the others too). Given being anonymous is the source of her power, that's like castrating oneself to apologise if we compare to human standards. It's a huge gamble for her given she's showing her true form based only on Marisa's (or whichever EX protagonist you used) word of Byakuren's Vision. Such is the allure of Byakuren.
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Post by: TannerB on August 23, 2009, 07:11:30 AM
Can't wait for the english patch
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Aya Reiko on August 23, 2009, 07:17:54 AM
Here's an interesting (maybe) observation of TH12.

For the first time in, well, ever, no new characters were introduced as solely mid-bosses.  6 had Daiyousei and Koakuma, 7 had Lily White, 8 brought in Tei, 10 gave us Shizuha and Momiji, and 11 had Kisume.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: cleartailcat on August 23, 2009, 07:22:01 AM
That's because the mid bosses who were their own boss or that bullet-spamming discoball/Nue.
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Post by: theshirn on August 23, 2009, 02:33:27 PM
bullet-spamming discoball/Nue.
NUE X IKU OMG
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Post by: Danielu Yoshikoto on August 23, 2009, 03:34:25 PM
bullet-spamming discoball/Nue.
NUE X IKU OMG
:V LOL

Also i can get through those pattern easily if i shoot down the fairies, so i won?t get hit by anything...
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Post by: Slaves on August 23, 2009, 03:35:18 PM
the last one she fires always gives me a heart attack :V
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Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on August 23, 2009, 03:47:20 PM
Hizengar's interpretation would fit Tsundere. Slaves' interpretation doesn't fit Tsundere, but is closer to my interpretation of Nue.

In my vision, Nue would have her head down, eyes tight shut and face flushed. It's doubly humiliating for her not just because of the shame but also because she's having to reveal her true form to a whole group of people (because it's not an apology unless she gives it to Shou and the others too). Given being anonymous is the source of her power, that's like castrating oneself to apologise if we compare to human standards. It's a huge gamble for her given she's showing her true form based only on Marisa's (or whichever EX protagonist you used) word of Byakuren's Vision. Such is the allure of Byakuren.
Actually, I thought part of the whole point is that her loli-appearance isn't her true form. (Unless that bouncing ball of light is it.) *reads the extra scenarios* Wait, never mind.

the last one she fires always gives me a heart attack :V
What, you mean the swarm of point-items? |3
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Post by: Slaves on August 23, 2009, 04:48:56 PM
What, you mean the swarm of point-items? |3

no, the last one in stage 4, where you get an extra life if you clear it without bombing/dying :V
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Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on August 23, 2009, 05:50:07 PM
Okay, now that I've finished reading the EX-story translations, I can say that Nue continues the Windows games' grand tradition of "EX-boss is a lonely girl who just needs some snuggles" which has only been broken in PCB and PoFV. In this case, of course, it's partly the heroines' fault ...
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Post by: Drayen on August 24, 2009, 11:06:53 PM
has anyone captured the last spellcard on lunatic yet?
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Post by: Drake on August 24, 2009, 11:36:04 PM
i have lololololollolloollo
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Post by: Zengar Zombolt on August 24, 2009, 11:37:19 PM
lololololollolloollo
This tells me... GODrake?
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Post by: Drake on August 24, 2009, 11:38:47 PM
Just a capture. I'll hax it later.
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Post by: bjw on August 25, 2009, 12:33:39 AM
has anyone captured the last spellcard on lunatic yet?

Pretty sure that Krim did on his very first try with SanaeB.

But then again, he hasn't been able to do it since  :D
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Post by: Drayen on August 25, 2009, 07:27:31 PM
has anyone captured the last spellcard on lunatic yet?

Pretty sure that Krim did on his very first try with SanaeB.

But then again, he hasn't been able to do it since  :D

any replay/vid? im interested in seeing it :P
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Post by: Drake on August 26, 2009, 05:09:44 AM
By the way Nue's fourth noncard goes faster than any other bullet pattern ZUN's ever made before.
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Post by: theshirn on August 26, 2009, 11:09:00 PM
By the way Nue's fourth noncard goes faster than any other bullet pattern ZUN's ever made before.
...third noncard?  That's the one I usually end up bombing...the fourth is slow and simple.
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Post by: Kanako Yasaka on August 26, 2009, 11:13:14 PM
By the way Nue's fourth noncard goes faster than any other bullet pattern ZUN's ever made before.
Really? What about the streaming bubble attack in Remi's last nonspell? Or timeout scarlet destiny?
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Post by: Suikama on August 26, 2009, 11:17:09 PM
Maybe he means fifth. The outside waves are hella fast on that one.
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Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on August 27, 2009, 07:24:34 AM
I haxcheat and bombspam, you?
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: PostCrisisJ2 on August 27, 2009, 08:40:55 AM
http://www16.big.or.jp/~zun/html/th12dl.html

1.00b update is out.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Psieye on August 27, 2009, 09:55:24 AM
Change log... I think it says:
1) Crash error when score exceeded 999,999,999 is now fixed
2) Red UFO colour slightly darkened

Also, it's compatible with 1.00a replays apparently. A quick check shows it is, but I haven't looked in-depth.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on August 27, 2009, 04:13:47 PM
Interesting notion: if ZUN had made "game-over" remixes of all the final-boss's themes with each new game since MoF. It'd probably work better with Nuclear Fusion than Cosmic Mind ...
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Suikama on August 27, 2009, 04:39:20 PM
1) Crash error when score exceeded 999,999,999 is now fixed
GJ ZUN
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Jana on September 09, 2009, 12:32:24 AM
I can't believe I originally bumped the wrong thread. I'm too excited... Because the English Patch (http://www.gensokyo.org/archives/1032) is out!

It's the first release,and the article says to check for bugs. So... That's what I'm gonna do!
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: dustyjo on September 09, 2009, 12:40:40 AM
I can't believe I originally bumped the wrong thread. I'm too excited... Because the English Patch (http://www.gensokyo.org/archives/1032) is out!

It's the first release,and the article says to check for bugs. So... That's what I'm gonna do!

Wow that was fast.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Kojiremi on September 09, 2009, 12:42:37 AM
holy shit dood. That was fast as hell! ahhaha. excellent. I'ma test it too after loving Remilia working on my statistics homework.  -_-
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Tengukami on September 09, 2009, 12:56:28 AM
English patch issues/discussion here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=2156.0).
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Rikter on September 09, 2009, 01:25:21 AM
Already? Guess I may play this again.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Shizzo on September 09, 2009, 02:21:36 AM
Funny thing, I just found out that Hijiri's image when she's about to start using a spellcard goes on a different way of every other character in UFO (Hers goes horizontally to the right, while the other characters go diagonally down to the left)  :V
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Helepolis on September 09, 2009, 06:46:16 AM
Funny thing, I just found out that Hijiri's image when she's about to start using a spellcard goes on a different way of every other character in UFO (Hers goes horizontally to the right, while the other characters go diagonally down to the left)  :V

That is because Byakuren has quite a large portrait and ZUN wanted us to see her in her full glory.
Title: Re: Touhou 12 - 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object. An undefined article.
Post by: Shizzo on September 09, 2009, 06:43:10 PM
Funny thing, I just found out that Hijiri's image when she's about to start using a spellcard goes on a different way of every other character in UFO (Hers goes horizontally to the right, while the other characters go diagonally down to the left)  :V

That is because Byakuren has quite a large portrait and ZUN wanted us to see her in her full glory.

ZUN could change the way the portrait goes depending on the character/spellcard..

*Imagines on a newer touhou a Chen/Ran Spellcard where the portrait spins*