Maidens of the Kaleidoscope

~Beyond the Border~ => Akyu's Arcade => Topic started by: Edible on May 21, 2013, 06:34:10 PM

Title: Xbox 180: Now with DRM Backpedaling
Post by: Edible on May 21, 2013, 06:34:10 PM
lol
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: PX on May 21, 2013, 06:41:48 PM
Now with AI! Like fishes that move!

And no backwards compatibility!
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: BT on May 21, 2013, 06:42:16 PM
"Another Microsoft unit, 343 Studios, revealed it would release a live-action Halo television series co-developed with movie director Steven Spielberg."

Huh.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Janitor Morgan on May 21, 2013, 06:56:13 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/ZpAp01C.png)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Tengukami on May 21, 2013, 07:12:51 PM
Relevant Techcrunch article (http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/21/heres-your-new-xbox-one-microsofts-all-in-one-home-entertainment-system/).
Quote
Kinect is part of the package, and it?s a voice controlled experience from power on throughout the entire process. Your voice cues the Xbox to your user profile and sets up all your custom options. Then, you can dictate activities to Xbox One, sort of like how many imagined Apple would do their own Apple TV with Siri.
Wow, there's a glowing endorsement if I ever heard one.

You know what this means, right? More of this:

(http://i.imgur.com/MFvhA.gif)

EDIT: Looks like this great news keeps getting better! (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/407912/microsoft-confirms-pre-owned-fee-for-xbox-one/)
Quote
Microsoft has confirmed that all Xbox One games will require mandatory installation onto the system's hard drive and, to install the same disc onto another user's drive, a fee must be paid.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: DX7.EP on May 21, 2013, 08:17:13 PM
Read lots of articles about this announcement and I'm not surprised at all by most of these. MSFT is definitely using the new Xbox as its end-all-be-all home entertainment solution, which definitely expands its usage beyond just gaming.

Won't be getting this at all, myself. However, this (thanks to use of AMD APUs plus maybe a Win8-derived kernel) can facilitate more cross-platform titles and gameplay - yay for possibly more games for us PC types! Plus the lack of backward compatibility with X360 titles and initial intents to keep selling the older console (http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/21/4350662/new-xbox-has-no-backwards-compatibilty) might hint at a two-prong approach for different budgets - much like Nintendo's use of Wii and DSi sales alongside those of the Wii U and 3DS.

...yeah I might be looking at this from too much of a tech analyst perspective :V
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Solais on May 21, 2013, 08:20:46 PM
This announcement sure was a great day for those who still watch Live TV! All two of them!

Not to mention, the used games thing. Imagine if this Xbox will have another Red Ring of Death Bs. Good luck rebuying all your games when you have to replace your console!

But otherwise, sports games and Call of Duty. (I loved how they talked about the Super-Special Awesome New Technology of the New Engine, like PHYSICS and LOD MODELS. Jeez, welcome to 2010.)

Meh on every level. PS4 all the way.



The only good thing about this was MocapDog.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Edible on May 21, 2013, 08:34:07 PM
Not to mention, the used games thing. Imagine if this Xbox will have another Red Ring of Death Bs. Good luck rebuying all your games when you have to replace your console!

While their stance on used games is confusing and unfortunate, I should at least say that the xbox one will work like a steam account in terms of tying games to it.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Link on May 21, 2013, 08:36:46 PM
(http://i5.minus.com/ib0GY32UxVUeQ9.png)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: FinnKaenbyou on May 21, 2013, 08:39:54 PM
Oh, good, a console that listens to me in my sleep. (http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/21/4352596/the-xbox-one-is-always-listening)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: JT on May 21, 2013, 08:42:20 PM
"Xbox One?" Did they name it after the number of units it'll sell in Japan?

(http://i.imgur.com/MFvhA.gif)
I'm pretty sure this is one of my favorite gifs of all time.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Ghaleon on May 21, 2013, 08:49:57 PM
Am I the only one who is concerned about energy waste with these always listening/always on/whatever electrogadgets? I mean even on my ps3, I shut off the back switch because I don't like seeing that red light on all the time, listening for my wireless controller's input.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: PX on May 21, 2013, 09:35:23 PM
It just keeps getting worse. Apparently it now uninstalls if you sell your game and someone else installs it.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Think Komachi with a Rifle on May 21, 2013, 09:50:46 PM
It just keeps getting worse. Apparently it now uninstalls if you sell your game and someone else installs it.
Well doing that is piracy on your part for not uninstalling first (as per almost every software licence ever), so i'm okay with that.

It's charging that other guy a fee that's the issue.


There isn't some option to not install games (if I'm reading all the news correctly), games cannot be run off the disk.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: PX on May 21, 2013, 10:12:46 PM
Well doing that is piracy on your part for not uninstalling first (as per almost every software licence ever), so i'm okay with that.

It's charging that other guy a fee that's the issue.


There isn't some option to not install games (if I'm reading all the news correctly), games cannot be run off the disk.

They're actively going into my system and uninstalling stuff on it? What if the game is stolen, or letting a friend borrow it?
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Think Komachi with a Rifle on May 21, 2013, 10:18:47 PM
http://kotaku.com/you-will-be-able-to-trade-xbox-one-games-online-micros-509140825 (http://kotaku.com/you-will-be-able-to-trade-xbox-one-games-online-micros-509140825)
Look like it might be worse than we thought.

Used disks will have to pay the full price of the game to install, though there's talk of allowing online trades (sans fees) somehow.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Cadmas on May 21, 2013, 10:19:34 PM
Guess the days of taking your new game over to your friend's house to play over the weekend are over @ M$.

Just bring your entire xbox.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: JT on May 21, 2013, 11:06:51 PM
Whatever, a hardmod or other workaround will eventually surface anyway. Fuck the po-leece.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Tengukami on May 21, 2013, 11:08:06 PM
A friend of mine from another forum managed to find a list of the games that will come bundled with the Xbox One:
Quote
Halo Sports
Call of Halo
Call of Sports
Sports of Duty
Call of Duty: Sports Halo
Grand Theft Halo
Call of Tony Hawk
LEGO Halo Sports: Star Wars
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: helvetica on May 21, 2013, 11:34:43 PM
Yawn another generation I might skip entirely o/

I totally didn't invest anything this gen to begin with and I think this next gen isn't giving me much reason to embrace it.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Tengukami on May 21, 2013, 11:48:12 PM
Do you like to play Xbox offline?

TOO BAD (http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-does-require-internet-connection-cant-play-o-509164109)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Aya Reiko on May 21, 2013, 11:49:17 PM
As long as they don't screw it up, Sony has the 8th Generation won.

AJ's epic rant:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ekOtn7L1N0
(Some language)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: trancehime on May 22, 2013, 12:09:27 AM
As long as they don't screw it up, Sony has the 8th Generation won.

you're counting on Sony not to screw things up

Given their track record in the past couple of years or so, that's a tough thing to live up to
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Tengukami on May 22, 2013, 12:11:22 AM
Do you live outside the US, and are curious to watch Xbox One Live TV?

TOO BAD (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/21/xbox-one-live-tv-only-available-in-the-us-at-launch)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Third Eye Lem on May 22, 2013, 12:12:02 AM
>used game fees
>game uninstalls if it's already on another console
Welp, that's a shot in the balls wallet.

>Xbox listening to you while you sleep
Creepy, but I don't think it's gonna interpret my snoring as a prompt to turn on the TV mode.

>new controller
I feel kind of mixed about this, the Guide button feels like it's way too out of reach. I just hope the d-pad is way better than the 360's d-pad.

>EA sports, Halo movie TV series, Call of Doodie
This, this was the biggest problem I foresaw with the Xbox One. It ain't got no games. While the multimedia stuff is useful, most people are gonna use a gaming console to play video games. None of the stuff they showed so far appeals to me. Sports? Forget it. Halo? Unless I was a die-hard Halo fan, I'll pass. They should have announced Halo 5 instead, or some other prequel/midquel game. CoD? Pfffft, That has to be one of the most overrated series of all time. Forza? Didn't like the repetitiveness of Forza 3, so I'll pass. Quantum Break? Looks...Interesting, but it's gonna take more than a half-assed trailer with barely any gameplay to convince me to buy the console (I pray it goes Multiplatform...)

So far, it seems like Microsoft will be left in the dust. Nintendo's rebuilding momentum for the Wii U, and the PS4 looks appealing with its share options and a focus on getting indie talent onto the PSN. Plus, there's Media Molecule's sculpting tool, which looks very cool now that I look at it again.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Suikama on May 22, 2013, 12:31:54 AM
more relevant than ever
(http://i.imgur.com/7awueBy.jpg)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on May 22, 2013, 12:33:11 AM
I was going to give the Xbox One a chance but after getting a synopsis of the event I definitely won't be getting it.

EDIT: Apparently for those 360 users who watched the reveal with their Kinect plugged in experienced some problems with the device taking orders from the live stream which caused things like cutting off the stream or opening Xbox Live. Classy M$.

http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/21/4353010/kinect-trouble-xbox-one-reveal
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on May 22, 2013, 12:37:33 AM
If I had any doubt between the Xbox One and PS4, these articles have officially slain them.

Now it's a case of PS4 Vs Wii U, though the PS4 is in the lead by a lot since the only reason I'd get a Wii U is Bayonetta 2 and I'm sure as fuck not buying a console only for one game, and a fiasco, at that.

It seems like Microsoft deliberately WANTS to make a bad console, I mean, how else could they make such a shitty one? lol.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: LadyScarlet on May 22, 2013, 12:43:04 AM
Time to convince my parents to let me buy a PS4 and to finish Tales of Vesperia before said console comes out. This console... I would state my opinion, but everyone else already did.

By the way, I saw this comic (http://jagodibuja.com/2013/03/09/living-with-hipstergirl-and-gamergirl-37/) back during the SimCity release controversy. Notice how the console looks suspiciously like an Xbox. Now it's actually happening. D8
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Garlyle on May 22, 2013, 02:30:31 AM
Now it's a case of PS4 Vs Wii U, though the PS4 is in the lead by a lot since the only reason I'd get a Wii U is Bayonetta 2 and I'm sure as fuck not buying a console only for one game, and a fiasco, at that.
PS4 looks like it's going to be the place to go for technologically powerful games this generation.  WiiU will likely end up being for that ~dozen really fucking amazing titles you can't get anywhere else, just like the Wii, Gamecube, and N64 before it generally were.

The point is, XBox One is a terrible acronym because now we know everyone fawning over it will be joked about as XBoners
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Jmyster on May 22, 2013, 02:32:52 AM
Stay classy Microsoft. At least you're still good for affordable PCs...mostly.

I do hope this has a large impact on their sales. Keeping our change is the only way to get it.

...though, since I never purchased the XBOX line (graduated to PC master race), I'll just grab the popcorn and shake my head disapprovingly.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: DX7.EP on May 22, 2013, 02:59:54 AM
On slightly brighter news, X1 does use the Windows kernel (http://www.neowin.net/news/xbox-one-uses-the-windows-kernal-completes-the-ecosystem), meaning Win8(.1), Windows Phone 8, and now  Xbox 1 will share common development kernel and ecosystem. Maybe it'll get people cracking at unlocking the full kernel on launch...
Alas MSFT hasn't really said much on integration with its other devices and systems.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on May 22, 2013, 03:27:06 AM
The point is, XBox One is a terrible acronym because now we know everyone fawning over it will be joked about as XBoners
This is now the best worst console for that fact alone
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Amraphenson on May 22, 2013, 04:10:53 AM
it already has monhun and bayonetta 2.
it already has me
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Mesarthim on May 22, 2013, 04:31:09 AM
Well I never really had much interest in Microsoft consoles since the beginning.

Even less so if they release some facts where they shoot themselves in the foot.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on May 22, 2013, 06:27:35 AM
it already has monhun and bayonetta 2.
it already has me
you mean the Wii U?
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Amraphenson on May 22, 2013, 06:29:33 AM
oops forgot to properly quote.
but yes the WiiU has me. not xbone.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Mesarthim on May 22, 2013, 07:37:05 AM
Now this is one angry rant about this console. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ekOtn7L1N0)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Frog on May 22, 2013, 07:54:43 AM
In case anyone missed the stream, here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw) it is summed up in less than 2 minutes.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: JT on May 22, 2013, 08:16:25 AM
In case anyone missed the stream, here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw) it is summed up in less than 2 minutes.
I'll do you one better: 9 seconds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uvhis3T00Zw)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: FinnKaenbyou on May 22, 2013, 08:42:27 AM
THIS CONSOLE IS STILL RAW (https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/964835_10151696334894924_1424767163_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: DX7.EP on May 22, 2013, 03:51:09 PM
Over at Anandtech, a detailed preliminary Xbox 1 vs. PS4 hardware analysis. (http://www.anandtech.com/show/6972/xbox-one-hardware-compared-to-playstation-4)

PS4's internals are definitely more catered to game performance, but the XOne's definitely more power-friendly and thus has some more uses outside just games.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Ikari on May 22, 2013, 06:57:56 PM
I laughed so hard at this thread and everything that's linked to it that I've never been less conflicted at the dilemme "will I buy that console".

The anser is obviously that I will buy it because I hate the idea of having a console that can play games; I prefer having a bunch of creepy useless functions and other amazing features than, you know, being able to play stuff that isn't sports or Halo. I mean, what kind of loser still plays games...?
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Amraphenson on May 22, 2013, 07:21:57 PM
/v/ has united. the day is golden.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Raikaria on May 22, 2013, 07:28:55 PM
To be fair to Microsoft, used games being re-sold is pretty bad for the industry, as the developers and publishers get none of the money for that sale, and it denies them the sale from a new copy. It may be the developers twisting MS's wrist there.

Please don't kill me verbally for giving reasoning as to why this may not be Microsoft's fault.

I think it'll go like this:
Want a gaming machine? PS4.
More than gaming? XBox
WiiU? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA [It's already failing BEFORE the competition comes out...]

Of course, PC Gaming Master Race represent.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Edible on May 22, 2013, 07:32:31 PM
To be fair to Microsoft, used games being re-sold is pretty bad for the industry, as the developers and publishers get none of the money for that sale, and it denies them the sale from a new copy. It may be the developers twisting MS's wrist there.

Practically every other industry on the planet has to deal with "used" products.  Books, CDs, movies, cars, clothes, tools, you name it.

This is greed, not necessity.  Pure and simple.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Tengukami on May 22, 2013, 07:34:11 PM
Just look at how VCRs are KILLING HOLLYWOOD!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Raikaria on May 22, 2013, 07:49:21 PM
Where did I ever call it necessity? No, I was only stating a reason, and never said it was a good one.

Also, don't liken the movie industry to games.

Movies:
Cinema [Pay-per-veiw]
DVD/Box Office TV
Finally free TV channels with the makers being paid by the TV channel out of their AD revenues.

Games only have one stream of income, one phase where the developers are paid. Being sold at a shop.

Also don't liken it to books and such.

Budget and investment in books is a lot smaller. Costs are paid back on the cost of the ink ect which is factored into the initial purchase. It dosen't cost bookwriters tons to come up with an idea and write it down. It does cost a lot to employ a large team to animate a game, test, program, ect, ect, ect.

Same with clothing. The initial purchase price covers the variable costs mainly. It's a lot easier to cover costs that way when a large amount of your costs are based on per-unit of production.

You can't attribute the costs in game development as a direct cost of each sale, they are not variable costs. You have to decide the price bracket based on an estimation of sales to cover your fixed costs. Pre-owned games can destroy this.  The total cost of game development is almost the same if you sell 1,000 or 1,000,000 units. The total cost of printing 1,000,000 books is far, far larger the total costs of 1,000.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Tengukami on May 22, 2013, 07:56:19 PM
Games only have one stream of income, one phase where the developers are paid. Being sold at a shop.

This is wrong, but even if it were true, that still puts the onus on the devs and studios to expand and find other ways to sell. What you do with something you bought, and now own, as your own property, is your own god-damned business.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Raikaria on May 22, 2013, 08:00:37 PM
Well, yes, they can be sold online and expansion packs and everything, but still, games do not go through phases like the movie industry. About as close as they get to that price discrimination is if the price lowers a few months after launch... but that may just be because the game is older and has to lower in price to remain competitive.

A movie will generally remain on the Silver Screen for quite a while, until people stop going to see it. Since that income stream is dried up, it moves down to DVD, ect, ect. You can't re-sell a cinema experience. [Well, not legally] Once DVD sales start to dry up, it moves onto TV.

The exception being seasonal targets, of course, such as having a DVD out for XMas.

Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Think Komachi with a Rifle on May 22, 2013, 08:08:08 PM
Where did I ever call it necessity? No, I was only stating a reason, and never said it was a good one.

Also, don't liken the movie industry to games.

Movies:
Cinema [Pay-per-veiw]
DVD/Box Office TV
Finally free TV channels with the makers being paid by the TV channel out of their AD revenues.

Games only have one stream of income, one phase where the developers are paid. Being sold at a shop.

Also don't liken it to books and such.

Budget and investment in books is a lot smaller. Costs are paid back on the cost of the ink ect which is factored into the initial purchase. It dosen't cost bookwriters tons to come up with an idea and write it down. It does cost a lot to employ a large team to animate a game, test, program, ect, ect, ect.

Same with clothing.

You can't attribute the costs in game development as a direct cost of each sale, they are not variable costs. You have to decide the price bracket based on an estimation of sales. Pre-owned games can destroy this.
Pre-owned sales do still support you as they increase retail sales, people can and are more willing to spend more on games if they can recoup some of that cost.

games have other monetization besides retail:
DLC/ microtransactions
subscription fees
in game advertising
merchandise

Developers are paid before any sale takes place, and are often sacked before the game hits retail !!! (unless you are selling alpha access i.e. minecraft)
Retail sales are to recoup the investment of the publisher, and pay royalties (for outsourced actors, music and game engines).
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: BT on May 22, 2013, 09:05:11 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/UKlnAq5.png)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: triangles on May 22, 2013, 09:56:39 PM
welp :V
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: JT on May 22, 2013, 11:54:28 PM
All of this news has made me go from not wanting to buy an Xbox One to not wanting anyone to buy one.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Aya Reiko on May 23, 2013, 03:56:16 AM
Now this is one angry rant about this console. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ekOtn7L1N0)
Another angry rant. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKm94T0jfzQ) One of the best parts starts practically at the beginning.

My bets the hacker/modder community hacks the thing within a month.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: LadyScarlet on May 23, 2013, 04:15:47 AM
*reads about used games fee*

Isn't it ironic how attempts to stop piracy only cause more piracy? I mean, you got SOPA, SimCity and now this. If you wanna put DRM in your game-- heck, even your console-- at least make it like EarthBound, the one example of DRM done right.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on May 23, 2013, 04:18:01 AM
That should be seriously illegal. Didn't they make a law with the sole intent of preventing this (the first sale doctrine)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Aya Reiko on May 23, 2013, 04:59:41 AM
Jim Sterling's take on it (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/7358-Xbox-One-out-of-Ten)

Is there anyone not ripping this to shreds?  Well, aside from the M$ asskissers?
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: notverycreative on May 23, 2013, 06:27:08 AM
That's just creepy. I hope this bombs worse than the Virtual Boy.

Quote
All of this news has made me go from not wanting to buy an Xbox One to not wanting anyone to buy one.
Seriously! It's a good thing none of my friends or family want one. If Gamestop has one set up, I'm staying the hell away from it and will start ordering games online. Well, maybe Play-N-Trade won't have one, since they're more focused on retro stuff. I'll probably end up becoming a retro gamer, anyway. I've been gaming for so long that I don't feel like I can adjust to this new age.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Mesarthim on May 23, 2013, 06:37:33 AM
Another angry rant. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKm94T0jfzQ) One of the best parts starts practically at the beginning.

My bets the hacker/modder community hacks the thing within a month.

Yeah I just finished watching that within the last hour. Now really this isn't of much concern to me since I've never been an xbox gamer. However these days I do not buy a console until quite awhile after its release for either better models, price drops, and general "did they screw it all to hell or is it safe" stuff. I'm the Sony/Playstation sort but I didn't get a PS3 until a few years after its release and I'm in no real rush for a Vita (a market microsoft isn't really touching, I don't count phone games if they're doing that).

These days the indie / doujin gaming market is just so much more fun with pretty much no artificial restrictions placed upon you to play those games.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Think Komachi with a Rifle on May 23, 2013, 05:06:24 PM
That should be seriously illegal. Didn't they make a law with the sole intent of preventing this (the first sale doctrine)
strictly that applies, they can't use "it's copyrighted" and sue you for reselling. They still have no obligation to make disks non consumable.

You can resell the disks but they're in themselves pretty worthless unless they're unused, as reselling unused disks is still okay first sale isn't broken.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: trancehime on May 24, 2013, 12:59:41 PM
Excuse me, Microsoft? 1B lifetime sales? (http://www.vg247.com/2013/05/24/xbox-one-microsoft-aims-for-1-billion-lifetime-sales-100-million-xbox-360-units/)

They sure as hell aren't going to come from the Xbox One with the ?35 pre-owned fees (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-05-24-this-is-how-xbox-one-game-trade-ins-will-work-apparently) they got rolling around, rofl
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on May 24, 2013, 01:17:09 PM
These days the indie / doujin gaming market is just so much more fun with pretty much no artificial restrictions placed upon you to play those games.

The indie/doujin market has its own issues (if I ever see another poorly-considered Minecraft clone again I will burst), but by and large yes, it's an improvement.

Which scares me at times. :V
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Dead Princess Sakana on May 24, 2013, 06:28:16 PM
Excuse me if this has been linked already:
Microsoft applies for patent on TV Achievements (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-05-24-microsoft-applies-for-patent-on-tv-achievements)
So in case you were wondering how they were gonna get people to watch their Halo TV series and stuff.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Third Eye Lem on May 24, 2013, 06:31:02 PM
Excuse me if this has been linked already:
Microsoft applies for patent on TV Achievements (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-05-24-microsoft-applies-for-patent-on-tv-achievements)
So in case you were wondering how they were gonna get people to watch their Halo TV series and stuff.
Argh, you just beat me to it. XD

...On the plus(?) side, this seems like a step towards Gameification. Too bad this step is made on a road filled with sharp, pointy objects.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on May 24, 2013, 10:03:23 PM
Microsoft has applied for a patent for DRM functions that would let them use the always-on Kinect 2 to see how many people are watching a movie, and if there are more people than the number you paid for, the movie won't play. (http://www.vg247.com/2013/05/24/xbox-one-kinect-2s-visual-drm-functions-found-in-patent-file-report/)

I admit that Microsoft is actually trying to fail, whereas the PS4's reveal was merely lackluster, but if I had any money right now, it would be on this being the console generation where Third Impact happens. (Yes, I know the game industry is now much too diversified to crash completely like it did in 1977 and 1983, but still. The AAA-tier game-publishing is a bubble.)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on May 24, 2013, 10:10:24 PM
Microsoft has applied for a patent for DRM functions that would let them use the always-on Kinect 2 to see how many people are watching a movie, and if there are more people than the number you paid for, the movie won't play. (http://www.vg247.com/2013/05/24/xbox-one-kinect-2s-visual-drm-functions-found-in-patent-file-report/)

I admit that Microsoft is actually trying to fail, whereas the PS4's reveal was merely lackluster, but if I had any money right now, it would be on this being the console generation where Third Impact happens. (Yes, I know the game industry is now much too diversified to crash completely like it did in 1977 and 1983, but still. The AAA-tier game-publishing is a bubble.)
I could see an increase in DVD sales or Netflix subscriptions or piracy because of this.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Third Eye Lem on May 24, 2013, 10:46:09 PM
Microsoft has applied for a patent for DRM functions that would let them use the always-on Kinect 2 to see how many people are watching a movie, and if there are more people than the number you paid for, the movie won't play. (http://www.vg247.com/2013/05/24/xbox-one-kinect-2s-visual-drm-functions-found-in-patent-file-report/)
I...Fail to see the logic behind this. I know I'm pretty ignorant, but is the people limit just for the Xbox One's movies?
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Tengukami on May 25, 2013, 12:06:28 AM
Either way, it's a laughable precedent they're trying to set. If I rent a movie, whether from a store or Netflix or whatever, I can have over as many folks as I like to watch it.  This shit is just a greedy, nickel-and-dime grab for cash.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Mesarthim on May 25, 2013, 12:23:20 AM
I'll just crosspost this from another forum I frequent:

They picked up on people hating used game fees but there's still a catch. (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/05/24/report-xbox-one-used-games-will-not-require-a-fee-will-require-authentication-checks.aspx?utm_content=buffer14d39&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=Buffer)

Still creepy. (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/05/24/report-xbox-one-will-talk-back-allow-friends-to-play-for-you.aspx)

I still have zero intention on getting a microsoft console. Hell I won't even get a PS4 for a couple years probably.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on May 25, 2013, 12:31:38 AM
Mother of God, I'm pretty sure this is overzealously intrusive enough that it would give even Stalin pause.

Who thought this was a brilliant idea and who taught them what they know? I wish to defecate on their doorstep.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Ghaleon on May 25, 2013, 12:43:11 AM
This is simply unbelievable... Like an april fools joke or something, there's no WAY they're that dumb.

Sounds far-fetched, but the articles being true would be even MORE far-fetched, but maybe this is some strategy on their part to make sony feel like thu can slack cuz of no competition, and after sony's done, MS will be like, oh, we were kidding, and then offer a legitimate console?
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Athrel on May 25, 2013, 12:57:19 AM
I think that would sort of be fraud at some level and not to mention really pissing off Microsoft's investors.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Solais on May 25, 2013, 07:23:36 AM
Microsoft must be very depressed, seeing how it's trying to suicide and all.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Mesarthim on May 25, 2013, 07:35:22 AM
This is simply unbelievable... Like an april fools joke or something, there's no WAY they're that dumb.

It's pretty much the same way that they're shooting themselves in the foot with Windows 8 too. God forbid they keep the desktop functionality of 7 in 8, aero (hey I use fraps for monitoring WDM Aero but windows 8 removed it, aka reduced fraps functionality), and let us customize the GUI the way we want. If we wanted to use metro hey, maybe they'd make it an extension and not the focus. But that's another topic even if microsoft is still the focus.

Remember the time consoles were a safe buy like a PS2, Gamecube, or even the original xbox. Then now... it's basically whether or not it's even safe to buy anymore. You shouldn't have to worry about console functionality and whether or not it'll even work...
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on May 25, 2013, 09:55:25 PM
Speaking from the standpoint of a developer, I'm ... mm ... kinda not worried about how there isn't really much in the way of console support for MonoGame ...
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on May 26, 2013, 12:31:27 AM
http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/the-death-of-used-games-and-control-of-the-second-hand-market-could-be-the

Unsurprisingly, some media outlets are trying to put a positive spin on killing the used games industry and consumer rights.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on May 26, 2013, 06:39:56 AM
http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/the-death-of-used-games-and-control-of-the-second-hand-market-could-be-the

Unsurprisingly, some media outlets are trying to put a positive spin on killing the used games industry and consumer rights.

He could have saved a lot of time if he had just made the article body read "JESUS THIS FELLATIO FEELS SOOOOOOO GOOD" instead of typing all that. :V
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Tengukami on May 26, 2013, 06:50:42 AM
http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/the-death-of-used-games-and-control-of-the-second-hand-market-could-be-the

Unsurprisingly, some media outlets are trying to put a positive spin on killing the used games industry and consumer rights.
Penny Arcade have been sliding away from relevance at an accelerated rate for a while now so, pardon the ad hominem, but this rambling corporate cheerleading doesn't surprise me.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on May 26, 2013, 10:25:33 AM
Penny Arcade have been sliding away from relevance at an accelerated rate for a while now so, pardon the ad hominem, but this rambling corporate cheerleading doesn't surprise me.

Think fame got to Tycho and Gabe's heads? Or did they just run out of ways to contribute?

Either way, I don't exactly envy them for having the dubious privilege of getting to watch some of the more asinine political parts of game development and industry. I'm convinced that there's a certain sort of person who doesn't care how hot a Hell they dig for themselves as long as they're the one digging it, and that's the kind of person who makes ideas like the Xbox One.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: trancehime on May 26, 2013, 03:03:14 PM
http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/the-death-of-used-games-and-control-of-the-second-hand-market-could-be-the

The article, also known as "A lot of things talking about nothing," because that's basically what it is. It's a meaningless opinion piece for a couple of things.

Quote
This is good news for a few reasons. The first is that piracy will likely be reduced. If the system phones home every so often to check on your licenses, and there is no way to play a game without that title being authenticated and a license being active, piracy becomes harder. You'll never be able to stop pirates, not entirely, but if you can make the act of pirating games non-trivial the incidence of piracy will drop. This is a good thing for everyone except those who want to play games for free.

Kudos on at least mentioning that with the way things are going now, piracy will basically be impossible to eradicate, on any sort of significant scale. However, there is a problem with making the statement of "[making] the act of piracy non-trivial" and then immediately saying that "the incidence of piracy will drop," like that piracy being non-trivial is a deterrent to any competent pirate? When has "the act of piracy being non-trivial" ever kept the incidence of piracy at a low rate? The code will always get cracked eventually. And on that note I'm not even sure how Microsoft's amazing stroke of genius is going to deter piracy.

I bet it will encourage it.

Quote
The current economics of game development and sales are unsustainable. Games cost more to make, piracy is an issue, used-games are pushed over new, and players say the $60 cost is too high. Microsoft's initiatives with the Xbox One may solve many of these issues, even if we grumble about it. These changes ultimately make the industry healthier.

One reason for the current state of the game industry's economy is because developers et. al believe more power means more success in the grand scheme of things, rather than aiming for what really matters, which leads to products that are unsatisfactory to a hungry and increasingly savvy gamer market. It's a matter of a failing philosophy towards game development as a whole; if any of you remember the Xbox One's "reveal," you'll have remembered their constant ramblings of TV, sports, and of course, Call-o-dudy, to which there were mentions of the Amazing Realistic Texture Dog, but at the end of the day, who gives a damn about how good graphics are if the game eventually turns out to be shit? Bad example, I know, because people will fucking buy CoD X198538TH anyway, but you get the point. I don't think Microsoft's decisions with their platform (I won't call it a console anymore because it's evident where Microsoft wants to go with this) will contribute at all to fixing the major issues plaguing that particular part of the problem.

Especially "players say the $60 cost is too high," that's a very brazen and bold statement to make. When you consider the target demographic of the games made for consoles nowadays, it's absurd to expect them to be able to afford the $60 SRP on release. Yes, even if they ask relatives or family with disposable income, $60 is pricey. Where I live, that's almost 2500php, which is... Actually more expensive than new games on release here locally, which is pretty damn funny when I think about it. You know, people, there's a reason why people like indie games so much.

Quote
Also, the idea of artificial shortages will go away overnight. The next time a GameStop clerk gives you shit about not pre-ordering, tell him to get stuffed; all you need to do is find a disc to install the game and then buy the license. Microsoft doesn't even need to host the game files at this point, one person could buy a copy of a game, everyone installs it and buys a license, and suddenly ten people have purchased the game, although GameStop only received income from one sale. Pretty neat / terrible, right?

Um. Okay. I'm not sure that's how it works Mr. Ben.

Quote
This means that the market for console games is about to change, and the economics are going to get very interesting, very quickly. Removing the concept of buying a used game will lead to more sales for publishers, more control for Microsoft, but it could also lead to changes in how retail sells games, where the margins can be found in this business, and lower prices across the board. There is a whole lot of ?ifs? in this scenario though, and it's possible GameStop could leverage its clout to stop some or part of this, but I'd love to see how all this shakes out.

But yeah, there's... That's a really naive way to look at the situation, and while I'm not an economics kind of person, there's a lot of things I find which are glaringly off. Like how eliminating a second-hand market is going to be totally beneficial to the whole matter. If that's even going to happen. Furthermore, I love how he's revolved all his arguments around GameStop like it's the only way that used games and such are distributed/sold. Yeah.

Lot of talk that doesn't mean much at all.

Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on May 26, 2013, 10:57:29 PM

One reason for the current state of the game industry's economy is because developers et. al believe more power means more success in the grand scheme of things, rather than aiming for what really matters, which leads to products that are unsatisfactory to a hungry and increasingly savvy gamer market. It's a matter of a failing philosophy towards game development as a whole; if any of you remember the Xbox One's "reveal," you'll have remembered their constant ramblings of TV, sports, and of course, Call-o-dudy, to which there were mentions of the Amazing Realistic Texture Dog, but at the end of the day, who gives a damn about how good graphics are if the game eventually turns out to be shit? Bad example, I know, because people will fucking buy CoD X198538TH anyway, but you get the point. I don't think Microsoft's decisions with their platform (I won't call it a console anymore because it's evident where Microsoft wants to go with this) will contribute at all to fixing the major issues plaguing that particular part of the problem.
This. All of this.

Piracy is a scapegoat here for the real reason that people are panicing about the Death Of Videogame Consoles. In total, piracy is an inevitable thing that companies will have to deal with, just like they will have to deal with shitty chinese knockoffs. In truth, piracy doesn't actually affect sales, and can even be very beneficial to the market because it attracts buyers who otherwise might not have considered purchasing the game at all. It's the same reason good youtube LPs can make a game popular, because people will watch that shit and want to play the game.

The real reason videogames are doing bad is because of the decreasing quality of games due to the focus on bullshit game aspects like graphics. Square Enix is tanking because their last few games have been graphics heavy but feature an unappealing storyline, unlikable characters, and awful game design (Final Hallway 13 anyone?). You can apply that to just about every other gaming company here. EA makes it obvious, with their rushed out games, godawful DRM, poor design choices, and pointless focus on graphics.

It's the same reason I personally tout Nintendo as The Hero Videogaming Needs. Yeah, the Wii U may be a dinky Last-gen-level console, and it has that weird touch pad controller, but Nintendo has been faithfully been following a tried and true formula with their games. Sure, Mario hasn't been innovative since Super Mario Galaxy, but it's still fun as hell to play. Zelda games are still amazingly high quality, they're still pumping out easy but fantastic Kirby games, the list just goes on here. You don't need a graphics powerhouse to make fun games, you just need good games. Nintendo is even trying to get actual third party support this gen (although that's been going badly, to be fair). It's not a fantastic console, but they know what gamers want:  good games.

The same reason people are decrying Xbox One as the new worst platform of the Console Gen. It's the same reason PS3 failed in the last generation. Bad design choices, anti-gamer sentiments, and most importantly:  it has no games.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Haetius on May 27, 2013, 06:01:43 PM
I have recently began PC gaming more than I console game for a variety of reasons (aside from me putting the consoles in boxes and forgetting about them), that being said if I was to look into console gaming again I have this to say based on my situation:
1) I have not watched TV in over a YEAR (>360 days)  ---> Point to PS4
2) I have a very limited income, and I refuse to have to keep paying for in-game things after paying for the game -----> point to PS4
3) I like low graphics, but I don't mind high graphics (8bit and 16bit games are my favorite), I like story lines that make me actually have feelings for various characters, and I like single player far more than multi-player. -----> point to PS4 (kinda, more than X1, but less than PC or WiiU)
4) I enjoy my privacy in my own home (Im death glaring  at you Kinect) ---> point to PS4
5) I enjoy games that allow me to either grow as a developer or storyteller (This applies way more to PC then Console but its important to me) ---> PS4 seems to lead based on articles I've read on what both consoles have put forward so far.
6) I have a thing for supporting indie games, just simply because of the "jewel in the rough" rule ---> point to PS4
7) I despise Sports more than anything on this planet (EA i'm looking at you) ======> PS4
8 ) having 13 year olds remind you of why multi-player with no single player sucks (Halo and cod) -----> PS4

From all the articles I've read, the X1 offers TV (I dont use), hidden (and BLATANTLY OBVIOUS F-U) fees, godly graphics with no gameplay, bad exclusives,and HAL 9000 (aka Kinect). I have no reason to buy the X1, there is no pull for me. Although, I'm a minority and not their target audience, so what does one nerd's opinion matter?
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on May 27, 2013, 09:31:32 PM
I have recently began PC gaming more than I console game for a variety of reasons (aside from me putting the consoles in boxes and forgetting about them), that being said if I was to look into console gaming again I have this to say based on my situation:
1) I have not watched TV in over a YEAR (>360 days)  ---> Point to PS4
2) I have a very limited income, and I refuse to have to keep paying for in-game things after paying for the game -----> point to PS4
3) I like low graphics, but I don't mind high graphics (8bit and 16bit games are my favorite), I like story lines that make me actually have feelings for various characters, and I like single player far more than multi-player. -----> point to PS4 (kinda, more than X1, but less than PC or WiiU)
4) I enjoy my privacy in my own home (Im death glaring  at you Kinect) ---> point to PS4
5) I enjoy games that allow me to either grow as a developer or storyteller (This applies way more to PC then Console but its important to me) ---> PS4 seems to lead based on articles I've read on what both consoles have put forward so far.
6) I have a thing for supporting indie games, just simply because of the "jewel in the rough" rule ---> point to PS4
7) I despise Sports more than anything on this planet (EA i'm looking at you) ======> PS4
8 ) having 13 year olds remind you of why multi-player with no single player sucks (Halo and cod) -----> PS4

From all the articles I've read, the X1 offers TV (I dont use), hidden (and BLATANTLY OBVIOUS F-U) fees, godly graphics with no gameplay, bad exclusives,and HAL 9000 (aka Kinect). I have no reason to buy the X1, there is no pull for me. Although, I'm a minority and not their target audience, so what does one nerd's opinion matter?
I don't want to turn this topic into a console war, but that seems kind of blatantly biased towards Sony, since all that "pointing towards PS4" can "point towards Wii and Wii U" pretty much better in every aspect.

I kind of feel like everyone is turning to Sony and ignoring Nintendo in light of all this Xbox outrage.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Drake on May 27, 2013, 09:38:34 PM
PS3: has no games
PS3: marketed as "It only does everything"
X1: has no games
X1: It actually tries to do everything

"Pssh X1, I just want my game console to play games, I guess I'll get PS4 then!"
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Cadmas on May 27, 2013, 09:47:26 PM
I don't want to turn this topic into a console war, but that seems kind of blatantly biased towards Sony, since all that "pointing towards PS4" can "point towards Wii and Wii U" pretty much better in every aspect.

I kind of feel like everyone is turning to Sony and ignoring Nintendo in light of all this Xbox outrage.

We've seen the Wii-U. It was released too early and isn't much of an upgrade from the wii so nobody gives a flying fhtagn about it.

Not until Pikmin 3 is released.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Think Komachi with a Rifle on May 27, 2013, 09:58:06 PM
I don't want to turn this topic into a console war, but that seems kind of blatantly biased towards Sony, since all that "pointing towards PS4" can "point towards Wii and Wii U" pretty much better in every aspect.

I kind of feel like everyone is turning to Sony and ignoring Nintendo in light of all this Xbox outrage.
PS4  is x86 based, Wii U isn't. Wii U cannot easily get multiplatform games. This puts PS4 in the lead massively for third party and indie support compared to the Wii U.

Xbox (360) was successful due to being a PC (i.e. x86), PS3 had a bad start due to novel architecture. This gen PS4 and xbone share common (PC) architecture.
Unless they both combined sell less than the Wii U, they're guaranteed more games. + they can just get PC ports (xbone just, more or less, runs Windows 8)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: DX7.EP on May 27, 2013, 10:03:40 PM
Xbox (360) was successful due to being a PC (i.e. x86)
X360 used a 6-core PowerPC-based CPU, not x86-compatible. The PC similarities were mostly in the APIs and kernel.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Haetius on May 27, 2013, 10:24:59 PM
I don't want to turn this topic into a console war, but that seems kind of blatantly biased towards Sony, since all that "pointing towards PS4" can "point towards Wii and Wii U" pretty much better in every aspect.

I kind of feel like everyone is turning to Sony and ignoring Nintendo in light of all this Xbox outrage.

The sad part is, I'm not even thrilled with the PS4, like I said I was turned off of consoles probably a year and a half ago. The x1 is just atrocious in its greed, purpose and privacy issues. I have looked up the tech specs and the PS4 is in fact more powerful for gaming, which is what i would want my GAMING console to do. I only mentioned those 8 points because I wanted to write down my qualms with the x1. I loved my 360, but I hated that the internet costed so much. I made up for that in buying games that had fantastic single player. ALSO: on a side note, I'm not bashing Nintendo either, I love their handhelds, i just didn't like the wii or wiiU. (I like to be sitting and relaxing when trying to unwind playing video games)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Dr.Strafe on May 27, 2013, 11:02:30 PM
The more I see/hear about this console, the more that I cringe at the future of console gaming. Microsoft simply has too wide of a scope here, trying to pander to every market.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Kilgamayan on May 27, 2013, 11:48:44 PM
I'm pretty sure this has made its rounds already, but in honor of the gif Sir Amat posted that made me choke to death laughing, I'll link it anyway. (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=59545309&postcount=1361)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Tengukami on May 28, 2013, 12:00:01 AM
I'll link it anyway. (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=59545309&postcount=1361)
God damn this sums it up perfectly.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Haetius on May 28, 2013, 12:45:27 AM
I'm pretty sure this has made its rounds already, but in honor of the gif Sir Amat posted that made me choke to death laughing, I'll link it anyway. (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=59545309&postcount=1361)
I think I just fell in love with faceless007..... and honestly I'm sitting at my computer cheering for that man!
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Amraphenson on May 28, 2013, 01:22:22 AM
A slow clap.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: PX on May 28, 2013, 01:44:51 AM
You know what I came up with with all this used games and resale bullcrap everywhere? Microsoft is trying to run GameStop out of business and then use their business practices. Sure, we get stuff back for selling it to M$, but are we really to expect a fair trade back? Hell, they're probably gonna offer less than GameStop would return for a used game. Really, this is just a giant pile of shit, and the one group that's suffering is the marketing audience known as gamers. And the sad part is, I can see this working.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on May 28, 2013, 05:49:32 AM
I'll link it anyway. (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=59545309&postcount=1361)

Fucking A right.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: notverycreative on May 28, 2013, 07:36:56 AM
If there was an Olympic gold medal for forum posts that person would be entitled to 999,999,999 of them.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Amraphenson on May 28, 2013, 07:47:14 AM
I'm pretty sure this has made its rounds already, but in honor of the gif Sir Amat posted that made me choke to death laughing, I'll link it anyway. (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=59545309&postcount=1361)

Microsoft Used Game Strategy is too POWERFUL to be restricted! (http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/548/907/220.gif)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: trancehime on May 28, 2013, 10:10:42 AM
Read the post linked by Kilga only to realize I already stated a part of the message earlier:

Quote
One reason for the current state of the game industry's economy is because developers et. al believe more power means more success in the grand scheme of things, rather than aiming for what really matters, which leads to products that are unsatisfactory to a hungry and increasingly savvy gamer market.

:colbert:

I kind of feel like everyone is turning to Sony and ignoring Nintendo in light of all this Xboxoutrage.

People are already enjoying the Wii U and the games that are coming out for it so we don't really need to focus on what they're doing when it is blatantly obvious to begin with unless you have been living under a rock for the past few months.

You know what I came up with with all this used games and resale bullcrap everywhere? Microsoft is trying to run GameStop out of business and then use their business practices. Sure, we get stuff back for selling it to M$, but are we really to expect a fair trade back? Hell, they're probably gonna offer less than GameStop would return for a used game. Really, this is just a giant pile of shit, and the one group that's suffering is the marketing audience known as gamers. And the sad part is, I can see this working.

Brick and mortar stores are already at risk of being blown to smithereens thanks to digital distribution becoming increasingly prevalent though. This is really just a greedy company trying to add more to the wildfire, and then use that wildfire to destroy other things. Though I guess they didn't intend the latter part. I'd like to think.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: An Odd Sea Slug on May 29, 2013, 03:24:21 AM
Related:

Nintendo (and Sony) win by doing absolutely nothing. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PW_0zYOyfYA)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on May 29, 2013, 01:08:58 PM
875%, sweep flipping Christmas. (http://wiiudaily.com/2013/05/wii-u-sales-increase-in-uk/)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Iryan on May 29, 2013, 05:07:31 PM
875%, sweep flipping Christmas. (http://wiiudaily.com/2013/05/wii-u-sales-increase-in-uk/)
That is sales rank, not sales total, which makes it less amazing, but still amusing.  :V
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: hind on May 31, 2013, 09:45:07 AM
875%, sweep flipping Christmas. (http://wiiudaily.com/2013/05/wii-u-sales-increase-in-uk/)
customer's always right. the public has spoken  :V
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on May 31, 2013, 09:26:33 PM
Australia and Germany condemning Xbox One for being a surveillance device. Considered a "major breach of privacy" (http://games.ninemsn.com.au/news/privacy-breach-xbox-one-a-twisted-nightmare)

German Ebay promoting Wii U following Xbox Privacy Concerns (http://wiiudaily.com/2013/05/wii-u-xbox-one-privacy-concerns/)
Quote
The [Image of Ebay listing] is taken from eBay Germany?s Facebook page, where it promotes the console as having the following benefits:

- no used games blocking
- no mandatory online
- no crap/bs
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Jmyster on June 01, 2013, 11:48:28 PM
Nice to see actual organizations speaking out. This might be the worst PR nightmare microsoft has ever faced--prepare for the backtracking train at E3, or just a flood of nothing but game images with "no comment" on the other issues.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Tengukami on June 02, 2013, 12:01:37 AM
Nice to see actual organizations speaking out. This might be the worst PR nightmare microsoft has ever faced--prepare for the backtracking train at E3, or just a flood of nothing but game images with "no comment" on the other issues.
This is definitely surpassing Songsmith (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oGFogwcx-E) proportions of Terrible Ideas From Microsoft.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Amraphenson on June 02, 2013, 01:30:19 AM
You know above all I find it amusing how Compile Heart of all things predicted something.
In Hyperdimension Neptunia, a game about a moefied version of the console wars, the Xbox/Microsoft gal spends weeks on end playing MMOs with no sleep.
She's always on.
The Xbone is always on.

CH KNEW IN 2010
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Aba Matindesu! on June 02, 2013, 06:10:23 AM
This is definitely surpassing Songsmith (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oGFogwcx-E) proportions of Terrible Ideas From Microsoft.
B-But at least the Songsmith delivers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iCJHTzH5DY) :V
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on June 02, 2013, 07:05:31 AM
Meanwhile, Microsoft hears all this criticism and makes moves to defend.... the design. (http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/microsoft-defends-xbox-ones-maligned-design-6C10145582)

Sony digs at Xbone by reaffirming PS4 is 'a Game Console'. Also, leaks point to Xbone having a price tag of FIVE HUNDRED NINETY NINE (European) DOLLARS. (http://www.popherald.com/news/xbox-one-vs-ps-4-release-date-hirai-25778?ModPagespeed=noscript)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Think Komachi with a Rifle on June 02, 2013, 10:04:21 AM
Meanwhile, Microsoft hears all this criticism and makes moves to defend.... the design. (http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/microsoft-defends-xbox-ones-maligned-design-6C10145582)

Sony digs at Xbone by reaffirming PS4 is 'a Game Console'. Also, leaks point to Xbone having a price tag of FIVE HUNDRED NINETY NINE (European) DOLLARS. (http://www.popherald.com/news/xbox-one-vs-ps-4-release-date-hirai-25778?ModPagespeed=noscript)
Amazon pre order prices mean their placeholder MUST cost more than the final price.
That's over 900 dollars, I'd expect the real price to be around half that.

NB: Pounds sterling are not dollars, please don't call them that
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: trancehime on June 02, 2013, 03:02:09 PM
Meanwhile, Microsoft hears all this criticism and makes moves to defend.... the design. (http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/microsoft-defends-xbox-ones-maligned-design-6C10145582)

they choose to defend the design because that's the only thing they can make concrete statements on without giving too much away.

Microsoft are making this a "political affair," as with E3 coming up, the onus is on them to make up for their faux pas by talking about nothing but TV and sports (and I guess CoD) in their "reveal" of the "console" (which, it isn't even one anymore at this point. by core definition, imo)

Quote
Sony digs at Xbone by reaffirming PS4 is 'a Game Console'. Also, leaks point to Xbone having a price tag of FIVE HUNDRED NINETY NINE (European) DOLLARS. (http://www.popherald.com/news/xbox-one-vs-ps-4-release-date-hirai-25778?ModPagespeed=noscript)

you mean 911.62 usd. that's 599.99 gbp which is far from "dollars," as the above poster already mentioned.

i'm honestly clueless as to why Microsoft are trying to push this device forward as an entertainment platform, marketing it as such while leaving games to the side, when the Xbox series has, in the past, been for gaming. even the Xbox360 has had a minor foothold in Japan, despite all odds, there is still a relatively small following. with the "reveal" of the Xbox One, it looks like they just killed it and shot themselves in the foot.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Ionasal kkll Solciel on June 02, 2013, 07:20:22 PM
Geez, don't you guys remember the PS3's initial showing? That's where NNR got "five hundred ninety-nine dollars" from.

Anyway, you'd think Microsoft would learn after the fiasco of the 360. Guess stubbornness doesn't easily fade.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Tengukami on June 02, 2013, 07:30:19 PM
Meanwhile, Microsoft hears all this criticism and makes moves to defend.... the design. (http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/microsoft-defends-xbox-ones-maligned-design-6C10145582)

Here's my favorite bit from this article:
Quote
While Microsoft steered clear of any mention of a VCR, it did note that the designers took inspiration from "high-definition TV manufacturers" to make the device unnoticeable. They chose "liquid black, the blackest black creatable, as a color palette for the brand," to make both the console and the Kinect, much like a user's TV, fade into the background.

I think it's really telling that they'd want Kinect to do all the intrusive shit they want it to do, and purposefully design the machine to be "unnoticeable".
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: JT on June 02, 2013, 09:21:06 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/6uN13C5.jpg?1?3437)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: DX7.EP on June 02, 2013, 09:29:39 PM
Actually, that stock boost came mostly amid rumours that Sony would sell off an entertainment division among other things. Or something along that line.

But the Xbone version is more hilarious regardless.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on June 10, 2013, 02:38:32 PM
Have some rumors from an industry insider for just before the Xbone conference. (http://gematsu.com/2013/06/rumor-microsoft-buying-ps4-non-mentions-more)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Third Eye Lem on June 10, 2013, 03:47:09 PM
Have some rumors from an industry insider for just before the Xbone conference. (http://gematsu.com/2013/06/rumor-microsoft-buying-ps4-non-mentions-more)
The trainwreck is now leaving the station. Please wait warmly until it crashes.

T-minus 13 minutes until Microsoft's conference.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on June 10, 2013, 03:55:46 PM
Plus half an hour, actually.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: NekoNekoRex on June 10, 2013, 04:12:23 PM
Really easy guide to the DRM. Also, you can "gift" games to friends now. If they've been your Xbox friend for a month. (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/411703/blog/xbox-one-a-plain-english-guide-to-game-ownership/)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Mesarthim on June 11, 2013, 04:39:48 AM
Sony's official response on how to share games. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Suikama on June 11, 2013, 04:51:00 AM
Sony's official response on how to share games. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA)
i think this the third time this has been posted

it has also been the 30th time ive watched it :V
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Mesarthim on June 11, 2013, 04:56:43 AM
Oh, indeed it has. Well with how fresh E3 stuff is I felt it appropriate to post it in the xbox thread anyway since it's such an amusing jab at microsoft.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: BT on June 11, 2013, 07:29:12 AM
This thread can be locked now.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on June 19, 2013, 09:32:35 PM
Good job M$ you fixed the problem before it totally killed you.

M$ just removed Online check ups, DRM games, and all games can be shared or played on any console without worry of region locking or internet connection.

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Mesarthim on June 19, 2013, 09:36:15 PM
So they aren't complete idiots after all. Funny that they had to backpedal to remain in the game though for having gone through with the idea initially. So maybe now the "console war" won't be as one sided in favor of Sony.

Now while I am of the playstation sort I do not hate the Xbox franchise. I do however hate Microsoft as a company.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Raikaria on June 19, 2013, 09:43:39 PM
(http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae147/aceojuno/backpedal.gif)

This is basically Microsoft.

Too bad the damage has been done, looong done. And a lot of it is still there. [Like you still need internet to play the XBoxOne in the first place, just you can play non-online games without the 24 hour check. NOTE THE 24 HOUR CHECK IS STILL THERE, and the region lock...]
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Fetch()tirade on June 19, 2013, 09:50:13 PM
gj MS, you might just actually sell some consoles this year

I see what they were trying to do with the new system. but competing with Steam is extremely tough, and the devs didn't make it any easier on themselves by adding more restrictions and costs.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on June 19, 2013, 09:52:05 PM

Too bad the damage has been done, looong done. And a lot of it is still there. [Like you still need internet to play the XBoxOne in the first place, just you can play non-online games without the 24 hour check. NOTE THE 24 HOUR CHECK IS STILL THERE, and the region lock...]

They said that there will be no region restrictions and a Internet connection is only required for the first time the console is set up. But I agree it's going to be hard to win back soo many people who lost respect for them because of this. But who knows M$ could pull a PS3 and make a complete turn around.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: BT on June 19, 2013, 09:57:45 PM
I really don't care for M$ but I am happy that our little protest was effective.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Sagus on June 19, 2013, 10:00:19 PM
Seems like we will still be going to be watched 24/7 by the kinetic, though.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Tengukami on June 19, 2013, 10:17:59 PM
Seems like we will still be going to be watched 24/7 by the kinetic, though.

Yeah, I thought the Ceiling Kinetic Is Watching You Play Games With Too Many People thing was a pretty big deal. Shame they're holding firm on that.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Dr.Strafe on June 19, 2013, 11:44:08 PM
Indeed. The whole Kinect angle still remains as my own personal deal-breaker for buying this system, no matter what Microsoft says at this point. Surveillance fears aside, it's simply easier to play games by pushing buttons on a controller rather than flailing around in front of a motion sensor. I know that is supposed to immerse the player into the game, as well as be Micosoft's "solution" to childhood obesity and what not, but methinks it will never take off as the main player-input of games no matter how much they try to shoehorn it in. Xbox One is still Xbox 360 + Kinect, even with all of this backpedaling to save face.

Side note curiosity: Does the WiiU still feature motion controls via the Wiimote, or is that console purely about that second screen peripheral? In other words, is Nintendo phasing out the motion control input that they brought into the forefront? Forgive my ignorance, I never got around to playing a Wii, and never really followed its development nor that of the WiiU. :V

Quote from: Xbox report
After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again.
This is good news. No doubt that this is Microsoft's answer to the "Always on" and "24-hour check-in" internet issues that many people have had with Xbone. However, the people that don't have an internet connection, or a broadband connection, still won't be able to connect to do this preliminary setup. These potential Xbone customers are still left in the dark, so to speak. Microsoft is swaying in the right direction for whatever reason, but this issue isn't quite resolved.

Anyway, all of these reports are merely claims and declarations. None of us will truly know what works, or what hoops Microsoft and/or Sony will make us jump through until the actual consoles are being bought. That's just the skeptic in me talking. If Sony actually delivers on the "backwards-compatibility stretching back to PS2 games", then they'll most definitely be receiving my money in the future. Gotta catch up on some of those PS3 exclusives. :V
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Amraphenson on June 19, 2013, 11:46:00 PM
They shot gamers in the foot and now they bandaged it up.
still doesn't change the fact we're angry at them, and that the kinect thing is still there and I don't want to pay for it.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Shadoweh on June 20, 2013, 01:45:21 AM
Please change thread title to the XBox 180.
Title: Re: Xbox 180: Now with DRM Backpedaling
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on June 20, 2013, 01:54:39 AM
done
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Athrel on June 20, 2013, 02:05:47 AM
Side note curiosity: Does the WiiU still feature motion controls via the Wiimote, or is that console purely about that second screen peripheral? In other words, is Nintendo phasing out the motion control input that they brought into the forefront? Forgive my ignorance, I never got around to playing a Wii, and never really followed its development nor that of the WiiU. :V

The touch screen controller is its main form of control and has some motion control capabilities as well. wiimotes still work with it for backwards compatibility as well as for multiplayer functions of some wiiu games I believe. 
Title: Re: Xbox 180: Now with DRM Backpedaling
Post by: Shadoweh on June 20, 2013, 02:07:28 AM
You are a beautiful human being. Now people are totting this as a victory for the XBox. Wasn't their entire selling point the TV's and THE CLOUD? Which naturally was bullshit. My question is, how does this work? They obviously already built the system around installing so.. will the console still be a brick when this generation is over? Some people are also saying they could just flip the DRM switch back on too.

I like how the post is all about how inventive and how nice they are to listen to feedback, instead of  --> Xbox :flamingv:
Title: Re: Xbox 180: Now with DRM Backpedaling
Post by: trancehime on June 20, 2013, 02:43:20 AM
I like how the post is all about how inventive and how nice they are to listen to feedback, instead of  --> Xbox :flamingv:

It's called "damage control," regardless of how bad of a job they're doing or how wrong they are.

Title: Re: Xbox 180: Now with DRM Backpedaling
Post by: Gpop on June 20, 2013, 02:59:13 AM
The fact that they even thought about the DRM stuff in the first place still irks the hell out of me to not buy one.

Also because I don't want a Kinect
Title: Re: Xbox 180: Now with DRM Backpedaling
Post by: trancehime on June 20, 2013, 03:03:40 AM
The fact that they even thought about the DRM stuff in the first place still irks the hell out of me to not buy one.

it's because they want to be Steam

but they do not know how.
Title: Re: Xbox 180: Now with DRM Backpedaling
Post by: NekoNekoRex on June 20, 2013, 06:07:33 AM
it's because they want to be Steam

but they do not know how.
I'm sure it was mentioned before, but Steam has more competition then Xbox, which drives PC game prices way down, and piracy is actually somewhat of a problem for them (DRM actually encourages piracy, says Gabe Newell), whereas the old Xbone had to compete with other actual consoles, and PC ports of Xbone games, and more or less could control the price of games on their console.

Not to mention their used games policies were illegal in the EU anyway. (Steam refund policy is also illegal in the EU but I don't hear about PC game returns very often)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Raikaria on June 20, 2013, 06:56:41 AM
They said that there will be no region restrictions and a Internet connection is only required for the first time the console is set up. But I agree it's going to be hard to win back soo many people who lost respect for them because of this. But who knows M$ could pull a PS3 and make a complete turn around.

No region restrictions for sharing games. The 21 country region restrictions and lock for the XBoxOne itself will still be there. You still can't buy or use an XBoxOne in over half the freaking EU. It means someone in Japan can share a game with someone in the PAL regions, which usually can't be done. [Japanese copies usually don't run on say, EU consoles]

It still requires an Internet connection to use at all as well. Even for offline games. Even if it is a one-off. So you still REQUIRE a connection to play at all, even offline games. At least if MS's servers screw up people will be able to play some games, but how many games these days have NO online features?

Take what MS is saying they are doing with a pinch of salt, a lot of the issues are still there.
Title: Re: Xbox 180: Now with DRM Backpedaling
Post by: Think Komachi with a Rifle on June 20, 2013, 10:34:48 AM
I'm sure it was mentioned before, but Steam has more competition then Xbox, which drives PC game prices way down, and piracy is actually somewhat of a problem for them (DRM actually encourages piracy, says Gabe Newell), whereas the old Xbone had to compete with other actual consoles, and PC ports of Xbone games, and more or less could control the price of games on their console.

Not to mention their used games policies were illegal in the EU anyway. (Steam refund policy is also illegal in the EU but I don't hear about PC game returns very often)
Steam are in the clear, you agree to T&C before purchase. The big thing about disk sales is you agree to any EULA etc. after having purchased (thus first sale supersedes them).

Quote
Subject to regulation 9, prior to the conclusion of a contract for the supply of services, the supplier shall inform the consumer in writing or in another durable medium which is available and accessible to the consumer that, unless the parties agree otherwise, he will not be able to cancel the contract under regulation 10 once the performance of the services has begun with his agreement.
Steam follows this, and service is instant upon purchase, so they don't need to offer returns.
Title: Re: Xbox 180: Now with DRM Backpedaling
Post by: Zerviscos on June 20, 2013, 12:41:01 PM
UPDATE!!!
Original Uncensored First Draft: http://www.dorkly.com/article/52521/don-mattricks-first-draft-of-the-xbox-one-update-announcement

Official Update: http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update

This has got me thinking...thinking I'm still buying the Wii U and PS4.
Title: Re: Xbox 180: Now with DRM Backpedaling
Post by: NekoNekoRex on June 20, 2013, 12:50:48 PM
UPDATE!!!
Original Uncensored First Draft: http://www.dorkly.com/article/52521/don-mattricks-first-draft-of-the-xbox-one-update-announcement

Official Update: http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update

This has got me thinking...thinking I'm still buying the Wii U and PS4.
(http://i.imgur.com/Hu1l46h.png)
This is just too priceless.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Kingault on June 20, 2013, 01:07:03 PM
Please change thread title to the XBox 180.

Why is this a thing?

Xbone is much better, and still fitting.

Eh, whatever.
Title: Re: Xbox 180: Now with DRM Backpedaling
Post by: trancehime on June 20, 2013, 01:45:55 PM
UPDATE!!!
Original Uncensored First Draft: http://www.dorkly.com/article/52521/don-mattricks-first-draft-of-the-xbox-one-update-announcement

hah

i fell for it

that's pretty sad
Title: Re: Xbox 180: Now with DRM Backpedaling
Post by: Sage Ω (Ultima) on June 20, 2013, 02:17:50 PM
UPDATE!!!
Original Uncensored First Draft: http://www.dorkly.com/article/52521/don-mattricks-first-draft-of-the-xbox-one-update-announcement

Official Update: http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update

This has got me thinking...thinking I'm still buying the Wii U and PS4.

This made my day and it's only 9:17AM.
Title: Re: Xbox 180: Now with DRM Backpedaling
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on June 20, 2013, 05:11:19 PM
UPDATE!!!
Original Uncensored First Draft: http://www.dorkly.com/article/52521/don-mattricks-first-draft-of-the-xbox-one-update-announcement

I know this is probably just a huge joke post but:

>What kind of consumer group would want "choices" and "options that are different from one another" anyhow?

dude you can keep all your silly ~*~cloud networking~*~ and ~*~voice commands~*~ and ~*~steam-like-ness~*~ and still lift the ridiculous restrictions; they're not mutually exclusive. What we've been saying all along is that we weren't given a choice on that and you restricted everything just so developers got more money instead of gamestop execs we get that

but my question is

why are you punishing the consumer for another company's bullshit? Attack the company, not us :V
Title: Re: Xbox 180: Now with DRM Backpedaling
Post by: Drake on June 20, 2013, 06:38:25 PM
Yeah, at this point there have been various criticisms (like above and like this (http://gizmodo.com/the-xbox-one-just-got-way-worse-and-its-our-fault-514411905)) over the giant wave of backlash from gamers, accusing people of not considering why these sorts of decisions were made in the first place, and basically shutting down the possibility of positive change in the gaming world because people just dislike change. And to an extent, it's valid. I'm sure a vast majority of gamers like to hop on a hate bandwagon and criticize the implementation of things with loaded baggage like "DRM" and "surveillance" or whatever, without really thinking about what its purpose was, what benefit it could be or why it was bad to begin with.

the thing is that these features in and of themselves aren't the reason why it's awful, so I am a bit iffed at how Microsoft just goes "ok fine we scrapped it" rather than take the more legitimate criticisms more seriously and wade around the massive blob of whining
Title: Re: Xbox 180: Now with DRM Backpedaling
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on June 20, 2013, 06:53:33 PM
See, I actually LIKED the positive changes! The more games that can be shared, the better! But don't fucking lock them down so you can't get rid of them, either. There's nothing I hate more than to be chained to something I no longer want.

My question is 'why not keep the positive changes, and get rid of the stuff the consumers quite obviously loathed'?
Title: Re: Xbox 180: Now with DRM Backpedaling
Post by: Chaotic Phoenixma on June 20, 2013, 07:20:52 PM
The game sharing was a 15 minute - hour demo after which the person would be prompted whether you'd want to buy it or not.

So nothing that was worth actually having.
Title: Re: Xbox 180: Now with DRM Backpedaling
Post by: Zerviscos on June 21, 2013, 10:27:25 AM
Microsoft's really at fault here. E3 was the time to announce why Xbox One should be the better game console. Sure, okay the "Vision of XBox One's DRM policies" looks promising, but seriously...are they? They NEVER did once announce anything of the sort, let alone even say something related to it. Okay sure, let's say that I'm gonna troll people with a DRM policy that I was going to implement, but of course, before babbling, I would first consider the positive sides of this, and TELL them to the general public. But no, they didn't even announce anything that they will be "Steam-Like".

But then again, will this ever be a thing? Steam games and sales are cheap for one of the very sole reasons. They're NOT physical copies. They're digital, and of course they don't actually need to be "produced" and "published", since they don't even have region-locking. Physical games on the PC aren't actually cheap, rather they BECOME cheap overtime, and this has been happening for years now, which is the same also for consoles. It's nearly impossible to have cheaper new games on retail for various reasons, like jailbreaking, piracy, hacking, and so on. A lot of people buying consoles also want physical copies more than digital ones, since they know it has more value than the latter. Even if the Xbox One still has it's original features, I wouldn't be surprised if someone tried to hack it and became successful.
Title: Re: Xbox 180: Now with DRM Backpedaling
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on July 03, 2013, 01:03:09 AM
It just keeps swapping back and forth between hilarious and sad. (http://allthingsd.com/20130701/in-major-hire-zynga-confirms-xbox-head-mattrick-as-new-ceo-replacing-founder/)
Title: Re: Xbox 180: Now with DRM Backpedaling
Post by: Raikaria on July 03, 2013, 07:32:12 PM
Japan is a 'Tier 2 country' and will not be receiving the XBoxOne this year.

JAPAN.

Dear lord Microsoft are complete and utter MORONS.

And they specifically asked the media to not report on this 'negatively'. Because, you know, Japan wouldn't be happy at being called a 'Tier 2 country'
Title: Re: Xbox 180: Now with DRM Backpedaling
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 03, 2013, 08:28:43 PM
The Xbox 360 didn't sell well in Japan anyway
Title: Re: Xbox 180: Now with DRM Backpedaling
Post by: Raikaria on July 03, 2013, 09:05:01 PM
It still sold.

And calling Japan '2nd Tier' when it comes to selling a technology product is outright stupid still.
Title: Re: Xbox 180: Now with DRM Backpedaling
Post by: Aba Matindesu! on July 03, 2013, 11:46:47 PM
It still sold.

And calling Japan '2nd Tier' when it comes to selling a technology product is outright stupid still.
This.

Besides, im@s, Child of Eden, and Cave shooters were the only games worth buying at all, everything else was blegh. Well, maybe sans Bioshock and Dead Island. Maaaaybe.
Title: Re: Xbox 180: Now with DRM Backpedaling
Post by: PX on July 04, 2013, 12:00:45 AM
im@s was the sole reason it survived. Don't try to deny it. Also, im@s3 XBone exclusive = instant Japan win
Title: Re: Xbox 180: Now with DRM Backpedaling
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 04, 2013, 12:02:48 AM
Barely survived. When Im@s ported to Sony, it sold like hotcakes. Sony might be a better choice for the producer.

Japanese don't like to rely on inferior American technology.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: astroninja1 on July 04, 2013, 01:17:31 AM
No region restrictions for sharing games. The 21 country region restrictions and lock for the XBoxOne itself will still be there. You still can't buy or use an XBoxOne in over half the freaking EU. It means someone in Japan can share a game with someone in the PAL regions, which usually can't be done. [Japanese copies usually don't run on say, EU consoles]


actually, unless its changed, japan wasnt even one of the 21 countries, nor was china, korea or  any other asian country.
Title: Re: Xbox 180: Now with DRM Backpedaling
Post by: Shadoweh on July 04, 2013, 01:24:37 AM
I'm sorry, did you say Japan? Which state is that?
I don't think I'd get any of the XBox features in Canada either.
Title: Re: Xbox 180: Now with DRM Backpedaling
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on July 04, 2013, 04:21:32 AM
Uh, guys, Dark Souls was on 360 as well, you know.
Title: Re: Xbox 180: Now with DRM Backpedaling
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 04, 2013, 02:36:04 PM
Uh, guys, Dark Souls was on 360 as well, you know.
And PS3. And later PC.
What's your point?
Title: Re: Xbox 180: Now with DRM Backpedaling
Post by: trancehime on July 04, 2013, 02:52:00 PM
im@s was the sole reason it survived. Don't try to deny it. Also, im@s3 XBone exclusive = instant Japan win

FPSes and other similar games actually have a small cult following in Japan. It's nothing compared to im@s, but don't say it's the sole reason it survived.

EDIT: Just to cite some examples, the Gears of War series is actually pretty well-liked there by a niche. CoD4MW got surprisingly decent reviews, and the PC stuff we enjoy like Orange Box also seems to be played on the Xbox360. Should note also that VNs that weren't released on PS3, or handhelds were also purchased...
Title: Re: Xbox 180: Now with DRM Backpedaling
Post by: AnonymousPondScum on July 05, 2013, 01:41:34 AM
And PS3. And later PC.
What's your point?

Was basically saying that the 360 had its niches in Japan.

(That much said, I imagine most people in Japan will be playing Dark Souls II on a PS4.)
Title: Re: Xbox 180: Now with DRM Backpedaling
Post by: Zerviscos on July 05, 2013, 01:30:01 PM
Was basically saying that the 360 had its niches in Japan.

(That much said, I imagine most people in Japan will be playing Dark Souls II on a PS4.)
Well, if Japan ppl wants western games on their consoles. We want JP games on ours...srzly, in here western-based games are so abundant that it's cheap overtime, plus you can find them almost anywhere, any day. Unlike JP games, they're so rare it'll take you months.
Title: Re: Xbox 180: Now with DRM Backpedaling
Post by: Drake on July 05, 2013, 09:34:57 PM
Well, if Japan ppl wants western games on their consoles. We want JP games on ours...srzly, in here western-based games are so abundant that it's cheap overtime, plus you can find them almost anywhere, any day. Unlike JP games, they're so rare it'll take you months.
wat

are you joking
Title: Re: Xbox 180: Now with DRM Backpedaling
Post by: PX on July 06, 2013, 05:10:38 AM
What is games are still $60 and amiami?