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Title: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: Affinity on July 25, 2012, 01:14:38 PM
Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia

Thirteen souls, broken and lonely, lost in the cold, heartless city of Tokyo.  Bound by their dysfunctional personalities and painful memories, they are trapped on a metaphorical desert island, stagnantly drifting from day to day in an attempt to escape from their demons. 

However, all of a sudden, amidst the beer, the drugs and the pithy distractions, a voice seemed to arise amongst them, whispering hateful things into their ears, lashing out at their insecurities and igniting their painful memories.  All at once, depression and despair set in.   The uncertain future seemed to loom gravely over them.  Thoughts of suicide became harder and harder to suppress. 

No doubt, it was all the work of the Nihon Hikkomori Kyoukai in disguise, and it was all up to them to root out this dark influence from within.   But with their volatile emotions all in disarray, would they really be able to do so without killing themselves?M

Welcome to the NHK.

===

Rules:

0) Whatever the mod says is final.  Rules are subject to change any time.  Also, watch the anime.
1) This is a traditional mafia game with standard day and night phases.  However, important information may be withheld from players regarding the state of the game and their roles, making it a bastard mod game.
2) Days last 48 hours.  Nights last 24 hours. 
3) Play for your win condition and read role PMs carefully.
4) Prods will be given after 24 hours of inactivity.  Being prodded twice is grounds for modkill.  If a townie gets modkilled, the day ends immediately.  If scum gets modkilled, the day will continue.
5) A lynch will occur only when a majority is reached.
6) Don't quote mod communications.  Don't c/mmunicate with other people about the game except when you're allowed to do so.
7) Don't edit posts.
8 ) No talk in the topic during twilight and night phases.
9) No bah! posts.  Dead is dead, especially in this anime.
10) Flips, in general, will be given in full.
11) Have fun and live your lives to the fullest.

===

Still Alive:

4. dr rawr
9. huhwhat
11. Schezo
13. BT

Dead:

2. Edible, Kaoru Yamazaki, Lovestruck Townie Neighbour, followed PX unto death D1
5. PX, Nanako Midorikawa, 1-shot Bulletproof Townie Neighbour, was lynched D1
8. Dormio, , Misaki Nakahara, Mafia Jailkeeper, was lynched D2
12. Bardiche, Hitomi Kashiwa, Town NeighbourCop was killed N2.
7. NekoNekoRex, Akira Jougasaki, Lovestruck Townie Neighbour Miller, followed Bardiche unto death N2, buried D3.
6. Omba, Yuu Kasano, Mafia Godmother, was killed N3.
1. Serela, Kazuko Nakahara, Vanilla Townie, was lynched D4
3. Shadoweh, Tatsuhiro Satou, Town Protaganist, was killed N4
10. ActionDan, Hideto Nomura, Vanilla Town, was killed N5


===

Useful Links

End of Day One (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13051.510.html)
End of Day Two (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13051.msg862188.html#msg862188)
End of Day Three (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13051.msg863342.html#msg863342)
End of Day Four and Five (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13106.msg863932.html#msg863932)

Previous Thread (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13051.0.html)
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Four)
Post by: Affinity on July 25, 2012, 01:24:10 PM
After the long dark night of the soul, the body of Yuu Kasano was found washed up along the boat pier.  The latter discovery of his trusty Ninkendo DS (paused mid-game in Lemmings) and a suicide note on the top of a nearby cliff made the entire affair seem like a spooky deja vu. 

In that suicide note was a long manifesto about how he became addicted to MMORPG named Fantasy World as a way to relieve exam stress, and how lonely he was when his account got hacked and when his parents effectively disowned him.

Most importantly, it also detailed intricately how he had lured many people into trying to earn money through the game, getting them addicted in the process.  The writing seemed to grow more intense when he described how wonderful he felt when he saw people's lives being crushed as a result.  It was revenge against this cruel and academic-oriented world, he said, and now that he had fulfilled his duty, he felt it prudent to die himself.  At the bottom of the note was a curt apology to everyone who had cared for him, and all the people whose lives he had ruined, not that they were around to see it anyway.

In the distance, Yuu's parents wailed loudly over his cold body, lamenting over how foolishly they had treated their son, and so on and so forth.  But this was not the story everyone was concerned with, of course.  They only cared that, somehow, the culprits were being lynched, and that it seemed likely that they would finally find a way out of their depression. 

===

Omba, Yuu Kasano, Mafia Godmother was killed N3.  His ability was as follows:
Quote
  • Godmother - You are a Mafia Godmother.  Due to your pre-adolescence, any investigation on your alignment will give a result of town.
  • NHK - You are buddies with X and Y, and you may converse with them at any time.  Your personal abilities do not interfere with the factional kill. You win when scum form the majority. 

It is now Day Four.  You have 48 hours remaining (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?iso=20120727T2130&p0=236&msg=End+of+Day+Four)

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Four)
Post by: BT on July 25, 2012, 01:39:51 PM
@Mod: We didn't get a list of Dormio's abilities when he flipped. Can we assume that it was Jailkeeper/NHK?

I guess Omba is just one of those people I'll read opposite to alliance every time. Rereading.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Four)
Post by: Affinity on July 25, 2012, 01:52:51 PM
Quote from: BT
@Mod: We didn't get a list of Dormio's abilities when he flipped. Can we assume that it was Jailkeeper/NHK?

Yes, Dormio flipped Mafia Jailkeeper.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Four)
Post by: Shadoweh on July 25, 2012, 01:58:21 PM
Well he sure made sure that problem got taken care of. (???)
In light off these events I no longer propose that we quicklynch Schezo for lulz.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Four)
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 25, 2012, 02:05:34 PM
counter claiming vig,

i didnt notice before because it was a soft claim and....
(http://i48.tinypic.com/swydj6.jpg)
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Four)
Post by: Shadoweh on July 25, 2012, 02:09:56 PM
Rawr are you claiming you shoot people at night? Don't just leave me here with this fried chicken taunting me.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Four)
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 25, 2012, 02:10:25 PM
Also i was trying to keep low because i didnt want to get nk(doubt it though i didnt want to risk it). so i remembered path of radiance when shadoweh rolled vig

no its a 1shot vig
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Four)
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 25, 2012, 02:14:24 PM
errrr i guess you didnt notice, but omba pretty much claimed vig d3 and said he was gonna shoot me pretty much. so i shot him instead
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Four)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 25, 2012, 02:15:03 PM
scum's strat was most likely to bus with the godfather and hope nothing bad happens
##Vote: Serela
this explains why you wouldn't vote omba with dormio on d2
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Four)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 25, 2012, 02:16:04 PM
also 99% of the reason i went through with the dormio lynch was because i thought omba's response to him looked like the actual doc, so

lol
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Four)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 25, 2012, 02:20:32 PM
also during night 3 i decided that omba had to be scum because dormio told us to lynch him as a bah post and that was really obviously so he could say he told us to lynch omba after omba flipped scum.

glad to see the issue resolved itself!
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Four)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 25, 2012, 02:21:22 PM
anyway serela is scum. no reason for omba to make that transition from serela to dormio unless his plan was already to d2 bus. quicklynch serela.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Four)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 25, 2012, 02:25:21 PM
yeah i'm going back to bed but if we quickhammer serela while i'm asleep we can win this game in the next hour, it's really obvious
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Four)
Post by: BT on July 25, 2012, 02:27:13 PM
:toot:

We're sure Shadoweh isn't scum?
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Four)
Post by: Shadoweh on July 25, 2012, 02:31:53 PM
No, I did notice! I guess we learned Dormio is NeoSerela levels of distancing when he dies. "Maek sure u get Omba gais he is the scums."
I'm pretty sure Shadoweh isn't scum. This is def not one of her best games. she should consider a vacation cause she sux at this game.
Serela Day 3 completely forgot about how much he wanted to lynch Omba for being the scums Day 2 (he never read Omba apparently so maybe he could explain what he thought was soooo scummy in the first place?)

##Vote: Serela
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Four)
Post by: BT on July 25, 2012, 02:33:19 PM
##Vote Serela

My turn to sheep, then.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Four)
Post by: Affinity on July 25, 2012, 02:35:11 PM
Welcome to the Frying Pan!

Serela: huhwhat, Shadoweh, BT (3) L-1

With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch. 
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Four)
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 25, 2012, 02:37:44 PM
uhhhhh are we quick lynching serela? not that im against it.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Four)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 25, 2012, 02:39:39 PM
probably
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Four)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 25, 2012, 02:40:01 PM
you can hammer, but only if you want to, man
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Four)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 25, 2012, 02:42:06 PM
still though
it's not me or you
it's very very very unlikely to be shadoweh or bt
between dan, schezo and serela we lynch the one dropping associative tells like a motherfucker

i cant sleep after i get up for mafia
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Four)
Post by: BT on July 25, 2012, 02:44:17 PM
I was actually fearing ITPs after the flip (before Rawr claimed the shot) but there shouldn't be any because of all the lovers and Serela is scummy now also scum. I doubt we'll be wrong and even if we are we should be leading by a lot. Whoever was doccing should be doc every game.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Four)
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 25, 2012, 02:48:35 PM
##vote Serela
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Four)
Post by: I have no name on July 25, 2012, 02:50:41 PM
Affinity told me to do this in his absence.

HAMMER SHUTUP
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Four)
Post by: I have no name on July 25, 2012, 02:52:25 PM
Turbolynch
Serela:    huhwhat, Shadoweh, BT, Dr. Rawr (4) LYNCH
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Four)
Post by: Affinity on July 25, 2012, 03:03:07 PM
Kazuko Nakahara was mysteriously found dead in front of a TV, a smile on her face as it was paused mid-screen during episode of Saki as so.

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===

Serela was Kazuko Nakahara, Vanilla Townie.  He had no special abilities. 

It is now Night Four.  You have 24 hours to send me night actions (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?iso=20120726T23&p0=236&msg=End+of+Night+Four).  If everyone in the game PMs me to end the night early, I will do so.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Night Four)
Post by: Affinity on July 26, 2012, 02:29:51 AM
The leftover scent of hundreds of finished cup noodles pervaded the room, bathing a starving Tatsuhiro Satou with tantalizations bordering on hallucination.  The refrigerator started muttering to him, and so did the fan, the unopened employment magazine and the Pururin sculpture he inherited from Kaoru, nya~. 

All of these separate voices starting blending into one another, spookily leading up to a mock procession of shame and guilt, with him at the center as they crowded around him.  Leech, NEET, failure, unemployment, social burden, suicide, death, conspiracy, NHK, these words battered at his eardrums and his very being.  But when he inevitably covered his ears and shouted for them to stop, he only saw the image of Misaki Nakahara in front of him, tearing up and bathed in snow, her arms still holding up the terms of the contract as desperately and beseechingly as when they first met.

Why this insignificant echo of a memory impacted him so was unknown to him; desperately, he swept away all the thrash on the table, in search of a pen, searching for the spark he had lost under the grime of four years.  He relived every one of his school days, exciting in their ever-changing monotony; he played cards with Hitomi in the clubroom once again, rubbing his fist on Kaoru's hair in the Literature Club Room, revelling in being part of the crowd in school assembly.  Then he went back further to his childhood, and the days of baseball and carefree play, and of being bathed in the love of his parents, emitted a fragrance that made him burst into tears... 

He bolted for the door with such drowsy momentum that he unwittingly vaulted over the short hand railings of Mita House.  Fate was being kind to him when he died after failling head-first from a mere three stories, a pen in hand.

Shorter version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6PYvTLo1Lk)

===

Shadoweh, Tatsuhiro Satou, Town Protaganist, was killed last night.  Due to being the emotional pivot of the game, town skips the next day in sad and unrestricted moruning.  His abilities were as follows:

Quote
  • Protaganist: Rather strangely, you have come to be relied on as the emotional pivot of most of the characters in the story.  The day phase after your death will be skipped in a period of moruning, as they remember all that you have done for them.  They really, really need you.
  • Intuition: You have this feeling that some of the players have one-sided crushes on others, and are willing to die if their crush dies as well.  Something doesn?t seem right.  However, out of respect for these poor souls, you are not allowed to reveal this information to anyone else in the game until someone flips as such, or LyLO (and their psuedo-, MyLO equivalents)
  • Counselor: Despite your frequent bouts of cluelessness, you are a comforting presence to most people as they pour out their troubles to you.  Every night, you may protect another player from kill attempts.  In addition, if they have any one-sided crushes on other people, they will be removed after their life-changing encounter with you.
  • Hikkomori: Alternatively, you may hole yourself up in your room for one night in the game (as much as bills permit) and render yourself untargatable by role actions.  This will be announced in-thread.  You must PM me during the phase before you carry out this action.  You may not counsel anyone that night.  You may not do this during LyLO.

Since everyone has been online some point or another since the start of the night, I'm ending the night early... only for the game to proceed onto the next night!

It is now Night Five.  You have 24 hours to send in Night Actions (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?iso=20120727T1020&p0=236&msg=End+of+Night+Five).  Again, if a decent amount of people PM me, I will end the night early again.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Night Five)
Post by: Affinity on July 26, 2012, 01:15:58 PM
The body of Hideto Nomura, the scion of the Nomura family running a chain of hospitals in Tokyo, was found dead in a dark alley that night, along with a variety of syringes stolen from the medical school.  It was believed that he died by injecting air into his arteries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_embolism), which was a gruesome death in any case.  Apparently, the pressures of being a medical student, with such a huge burden on his shoulders, was too much for him.

ActionDan was Hideto Nomura, Vanilla Town.  He had no special abilities.

It is now Day Six.  With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?iso=20120728T2115&p0=236&msg=End+of+Day+Six)

Town is in MYLO
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: BT on July 26, 2012, 01:44:05 PM
>finally online
>suddenly d6

Well, I wasn't online between the last two updates (:toot:), but I don't expect people to buy this clear so whatever.

We really should have had the doc claim before turbolynching. I felt okay about this because I thought HW cleared myself and Shadoweh as supergambit doc here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13106.msg863918.html#msg863918) but apparently not. >_< Now I'm paranoid. Do we no lynch?

Reading anyway.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: BT on July 26, 2012, 01:47:20 PM
... I'm probably stupid for being paranoid at this point. Rawrvig looks authentic (not a gambit) and HW's dealing of the Dormio wagon looks authentic as well (not a gambit as well).

I'll wait on the vote for now. ~MYLO~
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: BT on July 26, 2012, 02:09:18 PM
Well, I wasn't online between the last two updates (:toot:), but I don't expect people to buy this clear so whatever.
No, wait, this is wrong. No wonder I didn't remember it though, I was on for literally less than a minute at ~7 am and didn't even notice the thread was updated.

Right now what I'm getting from the Dan NK is nothing, because killing anyone but Rawr is pretty stupid. In fact, Rawr and HW were overall town reads and they can't both be scum, so it's only rational for one of them to have died... so this NK makes no sense. ^_^
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 26, 2012, 02:15:44 PM
i just woke up let me think about this.
<-(first time in mylo)
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 26, 2012, 02:19:36 PM
Honestly im also wondering how i didnt die.

one theory in my head is my lover is scum. when i think about it why am i the only one to talk about it before lylo and why am the only one to not get a neighbor qt.

Can we all get a name claim from everyone?

inb4 it really was huhwhat
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 26, 2012, 02:22:12 PM
oh right im Megumi Kobayashi
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Schezo on July 26, 2012, 02:25:32 PM
I'm still Shizue Satou the Vanilla Town.  Huh What and BT can claim while we're already here.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: BT on July 26, 2012, 02:26:29 PM
I was actually considering scum lovers in Shadoweh's case. (Dormio's gambit etc.)

I'm just a miserable old man, I can't be someone's lover. In fact, I'm  Sukekiyo Sagawa, Vanilla Town. I had a good life but am now losing it all. I thought the whole commit suicide thing was unique to my role at first (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13051.msg858989.html#msg858989).
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 26, 2012, 02:28:29 PM
ok so either huh what is  Yuichi Kobayashi or he doesnt exist at all :V
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 26, 2012, 02:29:21 PM
but i cant really see huhwhat as scum
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: BT on July 26, 2012, 02:29:49 PM
He better not be scum.  :wat:
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: BT on July 26, 2012, 02:31:13 PM
As long as the last scum doesn't have a role that makes us instalose if we No Lynch, we should probably do that.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: BT on July 26, 2012, 02:32:50 PM
Even if HW is your scum lover and that's why none of you died, I was still in a better position to get killed than Dan or Schezo. I'm considering acting like this NK never happened. >_>
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 26, 2012, 02:36:16 PM
should probably wait for huhwhat to come back before deciding i guess?
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 26, 2012, 02:39:46 PM
btw ive always wondered what does no lynch do for us anyways?
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: BT on July 26, 2012, 02:42:37 PM
Gives us a bigger chance of lynching scum.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 26, 2012, 06:00:26 PM
rawr, who is your character and why is she a vig?
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Schezo on July 26, 2012, 07:40:18 PM
The amount of effort I want to put into this game after that day 4 is so horrendously small I really don't care.

Since all of your horrid turbolynch logic nailed 3 townies who is the scum huhwhat?
No I won't accept your fos on me because your reason for dropping it in the first place was "The game moved on, what you did so far (day 1) is now null"

You honestly think that I, as scum, would throw that big a fit the end of day 1 just to delay the lynch on a town cross instead of give a closing comment and get out before I got two townie lovers to deathtunnel me?
Why the fuck?
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 26, 2012, 08:03:30 PM
it's scummy that you're posting a huge defense toward me when i haven't even said anything about who i want to lynch today
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 26, 2012, 08:13:44 PM
biggest problem with this game:
scum had to know shadoweh's role since night 1 based on dormio's claim, right?
why didn't they kill her night 3 instead of night 4? shadoweh was not mentioned trapping herself in her room during night 3.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: BT on July 26, 2012, 08:17:34 PM
I don't know Schezo, the whole discussion around the NL made it into something way bigger than it was. Two town wagons, waiting for a hammer, people are online for the hammer, scum don't have any motivation to hammer themselves, better let Bard do it.

Of course, I'm not claiming that scum wouldn't hammer or would hammer, because it's not a big deal. That's why the entire discussion was useless to begin with, and now you're using it as a defense.

HW, opinion on NL? Also, claim.

--cut: I'm not sure if that's an absolute. DID they have to know her role? They could in theory claim lovers in a way that doesn't make sense flavor-wise and get away with it. Also, there's a possibility that they knew about Shadoweh's name but not her powers, I guess. OR they did cop her and decided to not kill her - it wouldn't be the only weird NK itg. I'm not seeing any clear conclusion to be drawn from this.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 26, 2012, 08:20:53 PM
i'm the dude rawr mentioned, i die two phases after his character does and can't claim this until lylo. i had no idea he was the trigger for my death until he started implying he was, the "rawr is my waifu" crumbs were just me attempting to get him NK'd like i said

if we nl they'll just shoot you because nobody's going to lynch you and i have enough faith you're not the scums that we don't need to test this.

i'm pretty sure rawr is the final scum but we can wait to hear his vig flavor before i go about explaining this
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: BT on July 26, 2012, 08:28:18 PM
... HW, if Rawr is scum, how did Omba die?
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 26, 2012, 08:29:38 PM
scum nightkill
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: BT on July 26, 2012, 08:30:22 PM
>_> I'll just wait for the explanation then.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Schezo on July 26, 2012, 08:55:43 PM
It's scummy that I'm trying to follow up when you tried to quickwagon me before modkill....

Ok I'm done.  We'll wait for rawr.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 26, 2012, 08:59:17 PM
actually i decided rawr's vig flavor doesn't even matter. i am typing up my case
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 26, 2012, 09:03:43 PM
scum rolecop knew shadoweh's identity from night 1. don't kid yourself on dormio, he didn't flip 1-way lover or anything and affinity confirmed he was a jailkeeper.

night 2 the reason to kill bard over shadoweh is obvious if they think they can out-wifom her. night 3, not killing shadoweh is a terrible idea because there's a chance she'll stop the kill. why would they delay until night 4 unless their kill was already occupied shooting a buddy? they're not gonna shoot me or rawr if they know we're not the doc

shooting omba doesn't make sense for town!rawr. scum don't fakecrumb a provable vig for no reason. rawr could have just assumed omba was a totally different role that could somehow prove - it's bastard mod so there's room for that sort of thing. what seems more likely to me is that omba planned to cement his town status by faking a vig on rawr with the bonus that they'd get an actual kill on whoever rawr supports, but then scum noticed flaws in the plan (why would omba be kept alive on future nights? what if somebody notices dormio's refuge in audacity bahpost?) and switched it around

why'd dan die? well, he's been pushing for scum between rawr and i for a long time and generally is good at picking apart set-up issues. scum shot him because they expected he'd figure out the gambit.

it's also a scummy connection that dormio was one of the few people who actually gave a shit about rawr's lurking, enough to make prod sentences but not to vote. lurkers would naturally be more memorable to their scumbuddies.

finally there are obvious balance inconsistencies with beloved-doc-healing-lovers + "1-shot nightvig who kills somebody on death guys!!!!!!"

##Vote: dr rawr (L-3)

i've read other people. i don't think bt is scum. i think schezo reads scummy, but there are interactions that hint toward him being town - omba obviously wasn't getting the wagon off of him yesterday, so if omba wanted to keep playing the super bus godfather role there was no reason to ask questions. it's more likely that omba decided to question schezo so it looked like he was giving the townie he was about to hammer a fair chance.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 26, 2012, 09:09:42 PM
biggest issues with this theory are why scum has a JK with no killing role and why the fuck scum would try this gambit in the first place.
i think the latter makes more sense if omba was originally intended to be the one shooting and they had to reconsider their plan after the forced NL. it's not too ridiculous for scum to try it if they think they can get away with it for the same reason i set up a mason claim with rawr last game - you have a scumteam consisting of a troll, an apathetic pseudo-troll and a guy who tries to sound like a sociopath, how are you going to make this game not suck hard for your team? former might just be bastard modding

schezo, bt, if you have explicit problems with this theory then pls respond because i'm not going to drop it without people slapping sense into me
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 26, 2012, 09:12:14 PM
actually scum probably have a jk so they can't block + kill the cop as a failsafe
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: BT on July 26, 2012, 09:20:35 PM
Solid. I guess I'll wait for Rawr's reply.

What's your full claim?

Also, where DID Omba crumb vig?
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 26, 2012, 09:22:53 PM
i'm the dude rawr mentioned, i die two phases after his character does and can't claim this until lylo. i had no idea he was the trigger for my death until he started implying he was, the "rawr is my waifu" crumbs were just me attempting to get him NK'd like i said
Yuichi Kobayashi, Dependent Townie

omba crumbed "vig" when he said that town could lynch him if the rawr issue didn't resolve overnight
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 26, 2012, 09:24:46 PM
uh, my vote puts rawr at l-2, not l-3. can't count
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 26, 2012, 09:30:29 PM
im here and reading....
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 26, 2012, 09:56:04 PM
Conman: You are a 1-shot Vigilante !  With your excellent marketing skills and two appealing products to sell, you may send in your oneshot kill command on a player of your choosing and by morning they should be dead.

Obligation: If you were to die by any means, your brother, Yuichi Kobayashi, will probably follow at the end of two phases later.


honestly huhwhat why would scum!omba choose me, he had an better opportunity to kill me and take credit.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 26, 2012, 09:57:41 PM
uhhhh pretty sure that's irrelevant now because you're going to get modkilled for quoting your role PM
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 26, 2012, 10:00:03 PM
what  :(
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 26, 2012, 10:00:46 PM
Quote
6) Don't quote mod communications.  Don't c/mmunicate with other people about the game except when you're allowed to do so.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 26, 2012, 10:02:28 PM
well gg scum win???
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 26, 2012, 10:03:49 PM
schezo was it you :<

i mean that vig flavor sounds fake to me so rawr just pretending to be town / hoping he doesn't get modkilled is probable but.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: BT on July 26, 2012, 10:05:21 PM
So you're a salesman? I'm confused. ---> ???

Scum wouldn't win anyway? We're 3v1.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 26, 2012, 10:05:35 PM
town modkills end the day
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: BT on July 26, 2012, 10:05:50 PM
Oh boy.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 26, 2012, 10:06:00 PM
im not trolling, i would rather this game end

-cut-

me getting mod killed ends the day thus nk
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 26, 2012, 10:06:14 PM
schezo were you the scums
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: BT on July 26, 2012, 10:06:57 PM
I vaguely remember something about an exception @ LYLO? Or maybe I'm recalling something else. :(
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: BT on July 26, 2012, 10:07:24 PM
If this actually results in scum win it would be really lame.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 26, 2012, 10:08:26 PM
the lylo thing only applies to lovers admitting love  :colonveeplusalpha:
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 26, 2012, 10:08:49 PM
it seems to me like rawr just added "oneshot" to his scum nightkill command and put a "You're a 1-shot vigilante !" in front of it, especially given that shadoweh and bard didn't have "You're a doc ! / cop !" in front of their abilities, but maybe i'm rationalizing
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 26, 2012, 10:09:56 PM
uhhhhhh but omba and dormio didnt have a nk command
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 26, 2012, 10:10:47 PM
and of course ihnn and affinity are not online
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: BT on July 26, 2012, 10:12:29 PM
The '!' still looks weird. I actually assumed he didn't quote from the PM because of that, but this panic means he's either faking or telling the truth. Inclined to believe faking now. ^_>
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 26, 2012, 10:13:08 PM
if that actually is a direct quote and you're already getting modkilled you could just quote your entire PM to prove you're not just trying to play us :T
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: BT on July 26, 2012, 10:15:43 PM
We don't know if he's getting modkilled yet... lol. No need to ensure it by pasting a PM.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 26, 2012, 10:16:30 PM
if he's pasting his abilities then he definitely is and from comparing what he pasting to my own pm he probably is

but yeah you have a point, it's possible the mod could let him off for the same reason kaori wasn't modkilled in that other game
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 26, 2012, 10:17:49 PM
uhhhhh id rather not till affinity gets here
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 26, 2012, 10:20:06 PM
you want me to post part of my flavor?
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 26, 2012, 10:20:31 PM
but yeah you have a point, it's possible the mod could let him off for the same reason kaori wasn't modkilled in that other game
just wait for now
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Schezo on July 26, 2012, 10:32:24 PM
I won't be surprised if people can't tell town ate from scum ate but I'm town you prick.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Schezo on July 26, 2012, 10:33:44 PM
Huh what you're softing. I don't care if these are game ending mechanics can you claim already?
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 26, 2012, 10:37:58 PM
did you skip a page?

Yuichi Kobayashi, Dependent Townie
i die two phases after Megumi Kobayashi dies. this was literally all i was told in my role pm.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Schezo on July 26, 2012, 10:48:04 PM
I guess.

I've been playing the last two days like we already killed 3 anti town things and thought the balance of the game was fucked.  Rawr being third makes sense.

##Vote: Dr Rawr
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: I have no name on July 27, 2012, 12:00:29 AM
Light at the End of the Tunnel
BT:     (0)
Dr. Rawr:     huhwhat, Schezo (2) L-1
huhwhat:     (0)
Schezo:    (0)

With 4 alive, it's 3 to lynch.
You have 37 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?iso=20120728T2115&p0=236&msg=End+of+Day+Six) hours remaining.

Town is in MyLo.


In regards to role PM quoting, Affinity should be around in an hour or 2 to give an official word on that.  In the meantime, continue playing.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 27, 2012, 12:15:33 AM
anybody have anything else to say? rawr who is the scums?
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 27, 2012, 12:27:55 AM
ok then?
couple things that bother me

The rolecop thing makes me go  :colbert:
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rawr could have just assumed omba was a totally different role that could somehow prove
If someone claims a killing roll and is going to kill me and i know i have a vig why shouddnt i have shot him

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it's also a scummy connection that dormio was one of the few people who actually gave a shit about rawr's lurking, enough to make prod sentences but not to vote. lurkers would naturally be more memorable to their scumbuddies.
Also dont like this, what makes dormios mention of my lurking different from serelas who flipped town.

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but then scum noticed flaws in the plan
I would like to hear these flaws

-cut-
you
##Vote: Huhwhat
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 27, 2012, 12:34:18 AM
lol so
you believe your role is designed so that it can either (a) prove itself, possibly by shooting scum, then killing another scum after dying or (b) vig itself for an instant 1 for 1 trade
are you seirously pushing this?

ur scum dude
that or you're not thinking this shit through
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 27, 2012, 12:39:19 AM
I would like to hear these flaws
(why would omba be kept alive on future nights? what if somebody notices dormio's refuge in audacity bahpost?)
the reasons scum wouldn't kill you are obvious, not so much for omba, and his ties to dormio were more blatant

additionally, scum!omba could possibly be dealt with in lylo by having him out his towntell for me on threat of policy lynch. the rule is "play 2 win" and not "play 2 win future games", so if he didn't out it, he'd be admitting to making shit up

after the schezo NL you were less likely to draw attention for living to lylo than omba was, or at least it would seem.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Affinity on July 27, 2012, 12:50:33 AM
dr rawr has been modkilled

Shut up while I close the curtains.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Affinity on July 27, 2012, 02:12:24 AM
The experience of seeing her own obese brother stand up from his chair and confront her was so shocking that Megumi blurted out the truth of the matter in all the ensuing heat. 
For a moment she was reminded of why she got into all this filthy conman business anyway, trying her best to earn money to support her brother's growing gaming addiction. 
But somehow along the way, she had lost this sentiment, replacing it with a hatred for the ways of the 'real world' and an elongated lament about how her previously held morals were now outdated. 

As she was taken away by the police for admitting to selling dubious products through misinformation, town felt the burden of depression ease from their hearts. 
The world seemed like a brighter place now, with things to explore and experiences to share, and their shared triumph stood as a testament to the strength of the human spirit.

Shizue Satou, mother of Tatsuhiro Satou, picked up gardening. 
Yuichi Kobayashi, brother of Megumi Kobasyashi, started working as a deliveryman for a soba proprietor, losing weight in the process.  He visited his sister on weekends.
Sukekiyo Sagawa decided to take up golf and help little children.

Yeah, life is cool.  And so, with the NHK eliminated, the story ends.

===

dr rawr, Megumi Kobayashi, Mafia 1-shot hitman was lynched. 

Town Wins!
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Edible on July 27, 2012, 02:15:56 AM
:getdown:

:colonveeplusalpha:
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Bardiche on July 27, 2012, 02:16:20 AM
To answer your question, Edible: Rolling scum was treating me terribly.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Affinity on July 27, 2012, 02:17:44 AM
Scum QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/Fcmndh49HW53)
Graveyard QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/889ZRszgHXqd)
Mod QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/nUZfDAiRQxCNe)

NekoNekoRex X Bardiche QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/9a7SqkfDXvm)
Edible X PX QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/eDFJ3NVGcc5)

===

Setup at a glance:

Roles
1 Mafia 1-shot Hitman(Megumi Kobayashi) (dr rawr)
1 Mafia Survivor Jailkeeper/One-sided lover (to Satou) (Misaki Nakahara) (Dormio)
1 Mafia Godmother (Yuu, Kasano)(Omba)

1 Town Protaganist/Doctor (Tatsuhiro Satou) (Shadoweh)
1 Town Cop (Kashiwa Hitomi)(Bardiche)
1 Town One-sided Lover/Neighbour (Kaori Yamazaki, neighbors and crush on Nanako)(Edible)
1 Town Neighbour/1-shot Bulletproof (Nanako, neighbours with Kaori)(PX)
1 Town Miller/Lovestruck Town(Akira Jougasaki)(NekoNekoRex)
1 Dependent Townie (Yuichi, dependent on Megumi, will die at the end of two phases after her death).(huh what)
4 Vanilla Town (BT, ActionDan, Serela, Schezo)

===

Bastard Mod Notes:

Hitomi is a Sane Cop at first. If Akira is killed, then a PM will be sent to Hitomi, telling her that she actually loved him a lot, and that now she is either a Sane, Insane, Naive, or Paranoid Cop. She will be insane in this case.

If Kaori Yamazaki dies, Nanako will feel a hole in her heart momentarily and will be PMed that she no longer will be bulletproof

If Satou protects them at any point, then these limitations are removed as well. List of things Satou can cure: Hitomi, Kaori, Akira, Nanako, Yuichi (before he dies). However, they will not be notified, and will go last out of all night actions.

If Satou protects Misaki, then he falls in love with her and they become lovers both ways. Satou will become third party and may only win with Misaki in the endgame, while Misaki will still be scum that town has to lynch to win. In general, it will become Angel Beats mafia with lover serial killers hijacking the scumteam. A QT will be formed between them.

If Misaki dies, she dies by falling off a clif, and her role PM will not be given (only her alignment will). If Satou dies, while being lovers with Misaki, he dies next to the cliff, so it's okay.

Only after Omba and rawr dies can Dormio dictate the actions of scum (and the NK). Furthermore, if rawr dies, Omba gets the hitman ability if there is a shot remaining.

Yuichi is not dependent on Megumi at all; even if the latter dies he will be able to get his ass up and work at some soba restaurant or something. This is totally foreshadowed by his bicycling; but I guess the great thing about running bastard mod is that you can wing it mid-game. I regret coming up with this role.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Serela on July 27, 2012, 02:19:29 AM
Hooray!
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Bardiche on July 27, 2012, 02:20:25 AM
I have no idea what happened this game with Scum killing themselves, getting themselves modkilled and lynching their own.

I also don't know what was up with part of Town just giving up and deciding not to scum hunt but just sheep.

In the end, Serela is Game MVP, for playing from start to finish.

I liked this setup, actually.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Edible on July 27, 2012, 02:21:13 AM
To answer your question, Edible: Rolling scum was treating me terribly.

:comedycentral:
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Serela on July 27, 2012, 02:21:35 AM
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Shadoweh still has boobies you know. The female kind.
ilu bardxneko QT
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: I have no name on July 27, 2012, 02:21:45 AM
Co-modding this was an interesting experience, not the kind of Mafia game I'd want to play, and being an informed observer was pretty fun.

After Shadoweh died everyone left was vanilla  :V

Serela for town MVP IMO.

I have no idea what happened this game with Scum killing themselves, getting themselves modkilled and lynching their own.
The self-kill was a gambit.  Lynching their own was ??? (don't get the motivations) and modkilled was rawr derping under pressure.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 27, 2012, 02:21:53 AM
I had fun :D

Also gambit mafia :V
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Affinity on July 27, 2012, 02:23:43 AM
NHK Agents

dr rawr:
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You are Megumi Kobayashi, Scum Hitman, member of the NHK! 

As a professional conman in an age of reckless consumerism, you are pretty adept at luring people into despair through bankruptcy and profiting handsomely in the process.  While once upon a time, you were an upright student leader, extolling the virtues of honestly, sincerity, and the like, you have seen enough of the filthy, corrupt world to be disillusioned.

You may have cared for your brother a long time ago, but ever since he got into Ultimate Fantasy he became a thankless twat, banging on the desk whenever he needs you to cook food for him.  Nowadays, a remnant of your former self is all that prevents you from starving him to death, though you couldn?t care less if he were to fall by other means.  You haven?t even seen his face for years.

You have the following abilities:
  • Conman: You are a 1-shot Mafia Hitman!  With your excellent marketing skills and two appealing products to sell, the first NK you conduct cannot be blocked by any means, and will kill the target, regardless of any other protective roles. 
  • Obligation: If you were to die by any means, your brother, Yuichi Kobayashi, will probably follow at the end of two phases later. 
  • NHK : You are buddies with X and Y, and may converse with them any time here (http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/Fcmndh49HW53).  You win when scum form the majority. Your factional kill does not interfere with your personal abilities

All the best in your mission. May you do unto the world what it has done to you.

Omba:
Quote
You are Kasano Yuu, Scum Godmother, member of the NHK! 

Having a somewhat shy and friendly disposition, you don?t seem to have much trouble convincing the financially desperate to earn money through MMORPGs (and fail miserably), handing out trial discs everywhere.  Seeing people lose sight of themselves and their friends in the process is certainly fun, and you plan to do the same here.

You have the following abilities
  • Godmother - You are a Mafia Godmother.  Due to your pre-adolescence, any investigation on your alignment will give a result of town.
  • NHK - You are buddies with X and Y, and you may converse with them here (http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/Fcmndh49HW53) at any time.  Your personal abilities do not interfere with the factional kill. You win when scum form the majority. 
All the best.  May prospective players crash and burn just like you did.

Dormio:
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You are Misaki Nakahara, Scum Jailkeeper Lovestruck Survivor, a somewhat reluctant member of the NHK. 

Even after your stepfather?s death, your rough and abusive childhood still hangs over you like a shadow, and the subsequent lifestyle of leeching off the kindness of your uncle has left you desperate to find some value in your life.  Intelligent, but emotionally unstable, you spend your days striking up friendships with others even more unlucky than you, unwittingly suffocating them to death in your attempts to ?help? them. 

Everything changed when you met Satou-kun, however, the park seemed to have a magical atmosphere the night he signed that contract.  You can?t help but think of him and talk about him every time you can.

You have the following abilities:
  • Magic Pixie Girl - You are a Mafia Jailkeeper Survivor.  Every night, you, with your pretty face and genre-subverting guise, you may occupy your target by talking to them incessantly, preventing them from using their roles and protecting them from kills (including the NK). You can't target the same person on consecutive nights however
  • Infatuation - You are also a one-sided lover to Tatsuhiro Satou (X).  If he dies, you have no qualms about following him into death immediately, though the converse may not be true.  You may not reveal this to anyone (including your buddies) at any point in the game except LyLO and psuedo-LyLO, lest you die of embarrassment. Such is the tragedy of your existence.
  • NHK (?) Survivor - You are buddies with X and Y, and you may converse with them here (http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/Fcmndh49HW53) at any time.  Your personal abilities do not interfere with the factional kill. However, you only win when you and Satou are alive at the end of the game.

You are sadly, still a threat to town.

All the best in your endeavors.  Can you really find happiness in this world?
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: Affinity on July 27, 2012, 02:28:32 AM
Townies

Edible:
Quote
You are Kaori Yamazaki, Lovestruck Townie, currently a student getting a diploma in digital design. 

Things haven?t been working out lately, however.  Being careless with words, you have been ridiculed by most of your class as a scrawny, stubborn brat.  Even worse, your parents have been hounding you on the phone, threatening you to come back and inherit their family farm, a profession which you despise.  What?s more, the visual novel you have been working on for a year has lost all sense of plot and pacing; what should have reaffirmed your passion for the art industry has gone nowhere.  As ?Purururururin~!!? plays on your stereo for what must be the thousandth time, you can?t help but feel that life has been cruelly unfair to you. 

The only thing holding you up is your friend and crush, Nanako, whokseemed to be the only one who acknowledged your presence and helped you in school.  Sometimes you dream of marrying her, of starting a life together, away from the troubles of the real world.  But the hordes of magical girl figurines lined up on the shelf tell you that such a relationship can only end in tears.

You have the following 'abilities':
  • Infatuation: You are also a one-sided lover to Nanako (X).  If she dies, yo5 have no qualms about following her into death immediately, though the converse may not be true.  You may not reveal this to anyone at any point in the game, directly or indirectly until LyLO, due to your introverted self.  Such is your plight.
  • Neighbours: You are neighbors with Nanako (X), and can converse with her here, during the night.  You know nothing of her alignment or role, sadly, but you hope for the best.

You win when all threats to town have been eliminated.  All the best.

Shadoweh:
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You are Tatsuhiro Satou, Town Protagonist, the protagonist and the crown hikikomori of the story.

After that fateful day on the way to university, where you suddenly felt the terrifying smiles of strangers and acquaintances all around you, you have holed up in your room for four years, protecting yourself from the malice of society.

Recently, however your mother has cut your pocket money due to financial problems. As your food supply dwindles and the rent for your room piles up, you feel as if the real world is closing in on you uncomfortably fast.

You have the following abilities.
  • Protaganist: Rather strangely, you have come to be relied on as the emotional pivot of most of the characters in the story. The day phase after your death will be skipped in a period of moruning, as they remember all that you have done for them. They really, really need you.
  • Intuition: You have this feeling that some of the players have one-sided crushes on others, and are willing to die if their crush dies as well. Something doesn?t seem right. However, out of respect for these poor souls, you are not allowed to reveal this information to anyone else in the game until someone flips as such, or LyLO (and their psuedo-, MyLO equivalents)
  • Counselor: Despite your frequent bouts of cluelessness, you are a comforting presence to most people as they pour out their troubles to you. Every night, you may protect another player from kill attempts. In addition, if they have any one-sided crushes on other people, they will be removed after their life-changing encounter with you.
  • Hikkomori: Alternatively, you may hole yourself up in your room for one night in the game (as much as bills permit) and render yourself untargatable by role actions. This will be announced in-thread. You must PM me during the phase before you carry out this action. You may not counsel anyone that night. You may not do this during LyLO.

You when all threats to the town are eliminated.

Perhaps now you will find true purpose in your life? All the best in your endeavors.

Bardiche:

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You are Hitomi Kashiwa, Town Cop, former leader of the Literature Club back in your high school days.

Of course, you were also cheated on countless times back then, dropping in and out of numerous relationships while becoming none the wiser.  Those painful experiences caused you to gain a penchant for conspiracy theories; after all, the NHK is behind every single 99% fact in the world, thriving on misinformation fed to the masses.  After spending years of developing the relevant investigative techniques, you are finally ready to nab them, and maybe in the process, bring peace and tranquility to your life.

You have the following abilities:
  • Sanity Check ? You are sane, grounded in fact and reality, in complete control of your mental faculties.  In fact, you are the 1% who aren?t tricked by the NHK, making you saner than most!  Your results can be taken at face value.
  • Investigation ? Once a night you may investigate a person of your choice (other than yourself).  That person?s alignment (guilty, not guilty) will the revealed to you, and can be taken at face value since you are sane!
  • Neighbours ? You are neighbours with X (Akira Jougasaki), and can converse with him during the night here (http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/9a7SqkfDXvm).  You know nothing of his alignment or his role, and though he seems quite decent as a friend, you don?t really care much for him.

You win when all threats to town are eliminated.

The world is a dreadful place, full of lies and deceit, conspiracies lurking in every corner.  Can you see through all that, and arrive at the truth of the matter?

NekoNekoRex:
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You are Akira Jougasaki, Town Miller, a teacher at an art school specializing in storyboard development.

While you do seem like a successful man from every angle, you feel like a disturbing sense of ennui is coming over your life.  Most of the hobbies you have tried have bored you, and the drudgery of your job feels rather overwhelming at times.  However, at the brink of being burned out, you happened to meet Hitomi Kashiwa, who seemed to breathe new purpose into your life.  You hope very much to be able to marry her.

You have the following abilities:
  • Bad Impression ? While you are a respectable man in most ways, your brash manner of giving advice and your busy schedule tend to give people a bad impression.  You will turn up guilty when investigated by a cop.
  • Infatuation ? You are a one-sided lover to Hitomi (X).  If she dies, you have no qualms about following her into death immediately, though the converse may not be true.  You may not reveal this to anyone at any point in the game, directly or indirectly, until LyLO
  • Neighbours ? You are neighbors with X (Hitomi), and can converse with her during the night here (http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/9a7SqkfDXvm) .  You know nothing of her alignment or role, sadly, but you hope for the best.

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.  May you find a partner in your life.

PX:
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You are Nanako Midorikawa, Town 1-shot Bulletproof, an everyday student at the nearby art school.  You like going out with friends and shopping.

Unlike most people nowadays, you are generally a pretty upbeat person with few problems; you really have no idea why everyone seems so down lately.  With a great circle of friends around you and decent grades, you look forward to the transition into adulthood with glee.  In the end, life is really great, and it?s up to one to live it to the fullest. 

Lately, you have been talking to Kaori Yamazaki during lunch breaks, from time to time.  While he does seem dour at times, he?s pretty cute, and nothing like the cocky guy his classmates are making him out to be.  Maybe you can cheer him up or something? 

You have the following abilities:
  • Upbeat: Your optimism protects you from any kill attempts once, as in a 1-shot bulletproof.
  • Neighbors: You are neighbours with X (Kaori Yamazaki), and can converse with him during the night here.  You know nothing of his alignment or his role.

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated. Good luck, though out of everyone you don't really need it.

Schezo:
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You are Shizue Satou, Vanilla Town, the mother of Tatsuhiro Satou. Sometimes you wonder what your son is doing with his life.

Your husband?s medical condition had recently taken a nosedive, and while your life savings are enough to support both of you, it is now impossible to send the NEET of your child monthly pocket money as you used to. He has not taken this piece of news well, and ever since he hung up on you, you haven?t heard from him since, which is pretty worrying? You spend your days wondering sadly if you had raised him well or not, and can only pray for his success in life.

You are a vanilla townie with no special abilities.

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated. All the best in your spiritual crisis.

huhwhat:
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You are Yuichi Kobayashi, Dependent Townie, one of the many victims of online gaming addiction in Japan right now.

In your early youth, you were a shy, curious youth who approached the world with such wonder, exploring the city atop of your bicycle.  Unable to handle the pressures of adolescence, you sought relief in an MMO named Ultimate Fantasy, and pretty much wasted your life away.  Not having moved in weeks, you are morbidly obese and useless, relying on your sister, whom you have long ceased to see as a person, to send you food and water.  These are the boundaries of your existence.

Recently, you have been getting vague thoughts about the uselessness of your life however, and perhaps your soul has yet to awaken from its long, deep, slumber.

You have the following ?abilities?:
  • Dependence: You are dependent upon your sister, Megumi Kobayashi, for sustenance.  If she were to die by any means, you will pretty much starve to death at the end of two phases after her death.

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.  All the best.  Maybe one day all the self-improvement books you've read will actually help!

ActionDan:
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You are Hideto Nomura, Vanilla Town, the rich heir to a hospital.

Born to an overprotective family, you have obeyed your parent?s whims for most of your life, studying medical science despite having no interest in it.  The pressure of exams has been too overwhelming and so yeah, life sucks quite a bit.  Syringes and scalpels actually seem more appealing even.

You are a vanilla townie and have no special abilities.

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.  All the best.

NeoSerela:
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You are Kazuko Nakahara, Vanilla Town, the aunt of Misaki Nakahara

You spend your Sundays going to church and roving around from door to door, spreading the word, but to be honest, you are aware that people are starting to look down on you for your old-fashioned ways. No matter, for one day they will see the light, but still? Also, you worry about the future of your niece very much.

You are a vanilla townie and have no special abilities.

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated. All the best.

BT:
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You are Sukekiyo Sagawa, Vanilla Town, formerly the patron ?saint? of Orange Road, a successful conmen company. After evading the police for so long, however, all that stands behind you. Now, you are a respectable old man who has seen it all, living out the remainder of his days?

?which are sadly numbered. The price of bird?s nest, the secret to your longetivity, has increased to prices exorbitant even by your standards. You have also just returned your Ferrari to the car dealer, and are stuck with a decidedly mediocre Mitsubishi Lancer. The standard of your living is evidently dropping very fast, and you feel at a loss as to how to stop it.

You are vanilla town (!), and have no special abilities.

You win when all threats to town are eliminated. All the best, and hopefully you won't commit suicide because you aren't able to live longer or something like that.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Day Six MyLO)
Post by: Bardiche on July 27, 2012, 02:29:07 AM
ilu bardxneko QT

don't read stalker
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: Schezo on July 27, 2012, 02:29:12 AM
Yep, I know.  Done playing for a while.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: Omba on July 27, 2012, 02:35:12 AM
I liked this setup a lot. It may have been bastard, but nevertheless I think the balance was ok and there was no outright stupid shit.
Thanks a lot for modding this, Affinity!

I'm satisfied with how that nightbus gambit played out and hope someone else will attempt some variation of it again in the future. Good job not blindly clearing someone because of role shenanigans, huhwhat.
Guess my list of people that needed to before LyLo to ensure a scum win was right (that list being ActionDan and huhwhat).
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: Affinity on July 27, 2012, 02:37:01 AM
Night Actions

N1

Shadoweh protects huhwhat (successful)
Bardiche cops BT (unsuccessful)
Dormio jails Bardiche (successful)
Omba NKs huhwhat. (unsuccessful)

N2

rawr armour-pierces Bardiche (successful)
Shadoweh protects Bardiche (unsuccessful)
Bardiche cops Omba (unsuccessful)(not guilty)

N3

Dr rawr kills Omba (successful)
Shadoweh protects huhwhat (successful)

N4

Dr rawr kills Shadoweh (successful)
Shadoweh protects dr rawr (successful)

Day five is skipped

N5

Dr rawr kills ActionDan (successful)
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 27, 2012, 02:39:36 AM
I enjoyed reading the graveyard very much(skimming)
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 27, 2012, 02:43:18 AM
Also i think i forgot how to actually play the game :V
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 27, 2012, 02:47:05 AM
Also px was right i should add myself to the list of nk next time
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 27, 2012, 02:52:55 AM
The motivation for killing dormio was that hes scum
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: Shadoweh on July 27, 2012, 02:57:59 AM
I have to admit that after last game, Affinity's role for me cheered me up. "You cannot give up Shadoweh! You are important! Everyone really really needs you." I played this as true to the character as I could, like I was hiding in a box hallucinating about all the terrible people after me. I apologize to anyone who was infuriated with how much of a 'mislynch' I was being. Since I kinda wanted to make it clear huh what was confirmed town I followed him, and it turned out he really was Kanaya. (was anyone else thinking rawr was gambitting scum?) I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for that meddling Keine!

Schezo don't go I missed you so much how often do we get to be townie friends? :< Actually I'm sorry to both you and especially Serela for undeserved wagons.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 27, 2012, 03:10:19 AM
gg.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 27, 2012, 03:20:17 AM
Pretty frustrated after catching up on the graveyard and I'm probably done playing here for a while. FWIW even though my play might not have been the best I was definitely putting effort into playing this game before Day 6. If you disagree and want to antagonize me, then fuck off, thanks.

GG to everyone except PX, I seriously thought you were scum when I voted you, your play was scummy-bad and you aren't entitled to shit. I hate Pesco's graveyard mentality too. Stop being a bitch and start playing town games where you practice what you preach. I know you've talked about being busy this year and keep rolling scum, but roleplaying TK when you finally roll town after talking about how much town sucks all the time only to keep whining about town next game is pretty pathetic.

Also what I said about rawr/Dormio/Omba wasn't meant to be antagonizing, especially given that I just compared their scumteam to rawr and I from last game. They just struck me as the people who would have the mindsets to do crazy shit as buddies. I apologize if they interpreted it offensively seeing as Bard did and I can see how the wording could be offensive. See this post for if I actually wanted to be blunt about things, given what Pesco said about people being pansies in the graveyard I think it's within line. I probably won't when I cool down in a few hours, but oh well.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: PX on July 27, 2012, 03:49:02 AM
My only regret was not being able to use my qt with Edible. Stop lynching my favorite townies.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 27, 2012, 03:55:57 AM
i felt gipped about that too because i haven't played in the same town as edible since my first game here :<<
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: Serela on July 27, 2012, 03:57:57 AM
Well now it's Edible's turn to host, so it's soooort of like playing with him!
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: I have no name on July 27, 2012, 03:59:38 AM
If you want to quit for a while huh what I'll respect that, but IMO you're one of the better players here and would really prefer if you stuck around.  If it's not fun for you right now then I can understand.

Also I don't know what "FWIW" means.

Pretty frustrated after catching up on the graveyard and I'm probably done playing here for a while. FWIW even though my play might not have been the best I was definitely putting effort into playing this game before Day 6.
Effort put in cannot be measured by an observer accurately.  You know how much you put in, if you felt it's enough, it's enough, regardless of if other people think it is or isn't.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 27, 2012, 04:07:37 AM
"for what it's worth"

It's not really about self-confidence or thinking I'm a bad player, I'm just not having fun for a number of reasons. People play badly or don't play at all and then are content to whine about how awful everybody alive is. If they actually wanted to make a genuine effort to improve the meta they'd start actively playing better and/or give direct constructive criticism where it mattered (postgame) instead of just posting offhand snark in the graveyard. This game it was mainly PX and Pesco.

I also think the graveyard mentalities make people not want to improve, if they suck it can be blamed on ~MotKTown~. It's annoying to have to decide whether PX is scum or just PX, etc each game.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: I have no name on July 27, 2012, 04:13:03 AM
In that case I'm going against the flow  by actively trying to improve :V
Also I generally seem to lurk around the graveyard-on the off-chance I get killed anyway, the one time it happened at not-game end was when I was newbscum.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: ActionDan on July 27, 2012, 04:34:09 AM
meh, Px was > 50% to be town latish D1.  I think you have to gut him.  I can't apply logic to a wild PX.

I thought HW you did great.  You nailed Dormio.  You got Rawr lynched.  Your case on me wasn't bad.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 27, 2012, 04:37:38 AM
I suspect I will want to talk to Edible and Pesco after Otakon to see if any punishments need to be handed down for this game. I started reading out of boredom in the middle of Day 2 and it only took two pages before I was already sick of reading the game and I had counted no less than four people who I felt were playing with no respect for their fellow players. I think this lack of respect is pervasive among many, even if it only manifests itself obviously with a few, and I suspect it is holding MotK town back more than anything else.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on July 27, 2012, 04:40:45 AM
I started reading out of boredom in the middle of Day 2 and it only took two pages before I was already sick of reading the game and I had counted no less than four people who I felt were playing with no respect for their fellow players.
Requesting namedrops because IMO if you're gonna be passive-aggressive about it then it incites paranoia more than helping people improve. I wasn't intending to disrespect anybody while playing the game in any case.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: Omba on July 27, 2012, 04:55:03 AM
Wtf Kilga.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: Conqueror on July 27, 2012, 05:11:13 AM
Huh, so Dormio was effectively a reverse traitor, since if he killed off all his buddies ASAP Shadoweh would make it to endgame unscathed once he offed himself. Makes for interesting gameplay choices.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: BT on July 27, 2012, 05:12:32 AM
Predicted the game to end only a few hours after I call it a day. Was right.

I haven't even read the QTs and I already don't like what I'm seeing. Ehh... I guess I'll read first. ^_^
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 27, 2012, 05:13:29 AM
if he killed off all his buddies ASAP Shadoweh would make it to endgame unscathed once he offed himself.
That was my gameplan as soon as I figured out what my role actually was.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: Affinity on July 27, 2012, 05:18:50 AM
But Dormio must be alive with Shadoweh after the game ends.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 27, 2012, 05:21:49 AM
Wait, I do?
Even after all that questioning, I still misinterpreted my role. :fail:
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: I have no name on July 27, 2012, 05:34:40 AM
It had "Survivor" in it.

How hard can that be to interpret?  Just don't die  :V
Although not dying is kind of in the gameplan (usually...) already
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: BT on July 27, 2012, 06:10:49 AM
Last game I accepted the fact people were frustrated even though I wasn't. This time around, not so much. Frustrated? Keep it to yourself or, at best, postgame to see if it's justified. Venting only makes others share the same sentiments and *this* happens. I was under the impression this game was honestly okay, so these kind of things are really dumb and ruin it for others.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: Shadoweh on July 27, 2012, 08:02:47 AM
The only ones who can change that sentiment are us. We are all friends playing games together. I had fun and I'm confident we would have won without the modkill because huh what obviously had a link to the scum qt or something because holy shit.

If we can't enjoy when town wins then what is there left to enjoy? Cheer for your team even if you think they're insane.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: Pesco on July 27, 2012, 08:04:02 AM
HW: Let's play and put good play into practice. I'll use my policies and you get town to show that they are more competent than I give them credit for. In fact anyone who still thinks good of the current town meta can come and do their part too. Edible's game is where we can meet on the field, after that it's PX' game. Though I won't have much free time, I'll be in the game and expect you as well.

I've got a story for you all from before most of your time, when bofh was still around and Sodium last played. Sodium played in 2 games in a row at the time. The first game was quite terrible and the second game he did, in my opinion, better. I wanted Kilga to grant him IP for his improved game. This was denied because 'you don't treat the lone student to score a 30 on a test to ice cream when everyone else scored a 15'.

Bofh has been a fellow Godmother with me since the start of time. It's unfortunate that he's not around to make postgame walls anymore. In the early days I would also feel indignant at him calling out the times where I've played like a moron. Go read his posts in MotK Mafioso or Invasion. What is the true sentiment of his messages?

I expect everyone here should be capable of thinking beyond the literal words of what I've just said. I'll make it easier still for you guys.
- Arbitrary improvement is not good enough. The current level is seriously flailing around until you find someone to blindly follow off a cliff. Start playing the game using your own thought processes and laying them out for others to analyse from Day 1, not Day 6.
- Read my comments as snark, rage, tsun or whatever. It's what needs to be fixed for improvement to happen. Letting things fix itself wasn't going to work. Someone has to be there cracking the whip and setting at least the standard they know.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on July 27, 2012, 09:56:18 AM
Still better then any other mafia forums I've played on.

Every Mafia game has it's share of bullshit. It's how we differentiate between who needs to be lynched and who doesn't. People who are lynched early could probably take that as a lesson on how to play better, and the people who lived till the end can probably stand to pat themselves on the back.

There's some obvious things like "Players like Rawr need to not sheep everything and twitterpost less" too. We may not lynch sheep or lurkers on D1 all too often, but it's still not a good thing to do. It's fine if you agree with a case, but at least make an effort to read the player yourself before jumping on the wagon and try and add a few comments of your own if you can.
Reads are always nice too. Yes, even in the early game. Having an opinion on everyone will make everyone's life easier, and save you te trouble of going back and rereading if you're highly confident about your read at that time.
Also important to try and put yourself in a 1v1 and debate things out with a player. Simply standing on the sidelines and making 1postperday every time isn't going to further the game or improve you as a player.

Of course nobody is immune to criticism here and that's not going to change anytime soon.

Finally, it's a game.
Not only is it meant to waste your time (and improve your debating and social skills), but also don't forget that there's basically no reason to take anything out of each of these Mafia threads, especially negative emotions. Things will almost ALWAYS get heated, opinions will get called "dumb", snarky comments will be made, people will be lynched for questionable reasons. If you're taking your anger outside of these threads/quicktopics and into other threads/real life/future Mafia games you probably should take a chill pill or not bother playing again.
Of course being bullied is another manner, but considering this is Mafia, the seriousness of said bullying should be debated before you start acting on it.

*cough*
No, I'm not trying to justify anything I did in this game, before at least one of you starts calling me out on this. What happened happened, and there will be adjustments made to prevent further issues in that regard.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: Bardiche on July 27, 2012, 10:40:04 AM
I apologise if someone was frustrated due to my frustration with sheep. It definitely felt like some people stopped trying, so if you're offended I thought you weren't trying then, uh, sorry, that's how it came off to me.

At least no one replaced out this game, so that's something!
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: Omba on July 27, 2012, 10:52:53 AM
inb4 Pesco & huhwhat roll scum next game.

Reading over bofh's post-game stuff - yeah, that's pretty much exactly what we could use after most games right now.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: Bardiche on July 27, 2012, 10:53:13 AM
link?
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: Omba on July 27, 2012, 10:57:10 AM
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,2250.840.html (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,2250.840.html) and http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,5787.600.html (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,5787.600.html), the second one in particular.
At least if I guessed right that Alice = bofh.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: Kilgamayan on July 27, 2012, 12:35:39 PM
Requesting namedrops because IMO if you're gonna be passive-aggressive about it then it incites paranoia more than helping people improve. I wasn't intending to disrespect anybody while playing the game in any case.

Those will come after a small discussion. My opinion is one opinion; if no one else sees what I see in a certain person, then it's pointless for me to namedrop. (Naming names so soon after the game is also a bit of aa kneejerk reaction an I'd rather not make decisions based on that.)
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: Omba on July 27, 2012, 12:54:02 PM
If you namedrop, you get a response on whether other people see the same thing you're seeing a lot quicker and from a broader point of view (because more people can answer to it).
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: Bardiche on July 27, 2012, 01:01:36 PM
I agree with Kilga's decision not to namedrop.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: BT on July 27, 2012, 01:14:00 PM
Speaking of namedrops, Pesco, the post walls you're referring to (according to Omba) went on and addressed people one by one, so they knew exactly what parts of the overall criticism applies to them. Saying "townies need to use their own thought process" as a general thing won't help people who don't know they're guilty of it and think their thought process is ~just fine~ (that's just an example). If your flaws aren't crystal clear to you, you won't do your best to improve.

Addressing people directly is fine as long as your intent is for them to get better and they don't find it offensive. On-topic, this is why I would support telling people you think are antagonistic that they are antagonistic, so that they try their best to change next time.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: Pesco on July 27, 2012, 01:29:47 PM
Everyone is guilty of it. No exceptions.
Title: Re: Welcome to the NHK!! Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins)
Post by: Affinity on July 27, 2012, 02:56:39 PM
Quick comments from me on the game.

First off, I would like to apologize to Neko for not warning him correctly (e.g PM) in, say, D2 before modkilling him... since it was not as if he was irredeemably bad or anything.  I also feel as if emotion came into my judgement of him as well, especially when it came to flavor and my replies to his PMs as well.  I hope the message was sent across however, and I mean nothing personal about the modkill.

Secondly, there were some modding errors, such as telling rawr he was a 2-shot hitman instead of a 1-shot one and accidentally confirming Bard as cop in their quicktopic.  Also I think huhwhat's role was ill-advised and unnecessary.  Quite sad that Dormio did not have a chance to shine however, though I rooted for his win.  If I had to do it again, I would make the lovers post restriction more stringent (such as forcing them to be tsun by 'denying' being lovers with anyone) and such.  Also possibly would have allowed Nanako and Kaoru to talk in school during the day.

As for the standard of play this game, I am probably with Bard.  Sheeping is bad and made for a wholly uninteresting game, like playing bingo with PX, Domio, Serela and Schezo on a 4x4 grid to determine the lynch order regardless of content.  Scum may or may not join any of these sheeping chains, and thus they leave little trace of their ailgnment; scum had to throw away the game before people could find them.

There was also a dire lack of communication and dialogue; Dormio's and PX's rants about no one listening to them definitely has a grain of truth to them, though they are themselves guilty of this. Heck, Dan's ridiculous setup spec was indicative of town's waning interest in the game, and Serela seemed like the only one willing to consider possibilities, which is why he deserves the player MVP this game.

Lastly, there was a disturbing amount of upset people this game and post-game.  This tends to make things awkward for everyone, so man up and cut things out. 

As for advice on the appropriate parties about curing themselves of their meta, they should make cases and votes based on 'X is scummy because Y'.  If there are two scumreads, say why one is stronger than the other and vote accordingly.  If someone not in your range of suspects is a viable candidate for being lynched that day, briefly state why you agree or disagree with that lynch and why.  Compared to these bedrocks of scumhunting, making unsubstantiated townreads and stuff are superfluous.  People have to listen if this is followed; if they don't, it is the sound of MoTKTown sucking.

Thanks to Nameless, and to a lesser extent, pesco and Edible, for the more or less successful running of the game.