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Title: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: LordVant on April 22, 2009, 02:40:49 AM
Though I'm probably a baka for asking this, does any1 know when they're going to continue Silent Sinner in Blue? or make a sequel whatever......-_-
I'm freakin' sucked into it and there's no word on it!!!! :o :o :o
Please any word will be appreciated.
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: WRATHIE_Beatrice on April 22, 2009, 02:44:02 AM
IT ENDED.

ENDED.


AKI EDA AND ZUN ENDED IT.
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Totaku on April 22, 2009, 03:15:32 AM
Yup, Silent Sinner finished up as of this month. Along with the side story, Cage of Luntatic Harigate.

Inaba of the Earth and Moon should be about to end as well since it is also part of the Silent Sinner saga.

So yeah, it's done.
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Ruka on April 22, 2009, 03:36:04 AM
CiLR's (Cage of Luntatic Harigate? What?) last chapter it seems is divided into two parts. The other half is probably next month.

As for Inaba, my guess is that it'll run up to chapter 25 if not 23. Then again, it's a 4koma and the tankobon for that is coming in August. I somehow doubt it'll end with just one compilation. At least 2 maybe.
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Wordspoken on April 22, 2009, 03:46:08 PM
I like SSiB!

But then again I haven't read from chapter 15 onwards.
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on April 22, 2009, 03:58:41 PM
Ehhh, it was all right. With the ending balanced against, um, the Mary Sueness of the Watatsukis, that is.
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Mima on April 22, 2009, 04:04:55 PM
and nothing of value was lost

Pretty much sums it for me, shame it won't be the last of Aki Eda.
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Demonlord Pichu on April 22, 2009, 04:08:36 PM
Meh, I'm still rather disappointed with how it ended, I've kept up with it and then all of a sudden I don't see the battle I was hoping for. I feel like someone just kicked me in the nads and stole my lunch money (which in this case is the time I put into actually reading it).

But, everyone thinks it's lolz that the Watatsuki's got duped so I don't think it's my place to complain.
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Schpwuette on April 22, 2009, 04:15:27 PM
Pretty much sums it for me, shame it won't be the last of Aki Eda.

Hey, it's not like you have to read Aki Eda's stuff.
If you don't like something, criticise it, ignore it, whatever, but don't call for it to be stopped - because that's just selfish.
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Patoyo on April 22, 2009, 04:26:54 PM
Hey, it's not like you have to read Aki Eda's stuff.
If you don't like something, criticise it, ignore it, whatever, but don't call for it to be stopped - because that's just selfish.

Yep, it doesn't end yet. It's the suspense.
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Aya Reiko on April 22, 2009, 09:03:33 PM
Can someone spoil it for me since the translation project seems to have.... stopped.
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Stuffman on April 22, 2009, 10:08:22 PM
It DID end better than I was expecting so props to ZUN for that, but overall the whole thing was kind of a waste of time, I feel like. Also, it could've been less than half the length with the same content.

Also it could've been drawn by Not Aki Eda.
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Gpop on April 22, 2009, 10:17:03 PM
Also it could've been drawn by Not Aki Eda.

I agree with you. As much as I like her stuff, I don't think she's capable for this kind of doujin.
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Mima on April 22, 2009, 10:46:52 PM
Can someone spoil it for me since the translation project seems to have.... stopped.

The translation project itself never stopped, the problem was the editor was nowhere to be seen and it continued to be "reserved" for her, that said, I believe the editor has finally shifted and progress will start once more.

As for the end, it's been posted all over. Yuyuko ends up stealing the Moon Sister's sake, that's about it.
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Recon 5 on April 23, 2009, 12:01:34 AM
The "Second Lunar War" was just a diversion so that Yukari could do what she does best- messing with someone. Although there was that part about needing a rope to bind Kanako but I can't remember if anything came out of that. Also Yuyuko went on a shopping trip.
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: WRATHIE_Beatrice on April 23, 2009, 12:48:17 AM
I agree with you. As much as I like her stuff, I don't think she's capable for this kind of doujin.

If u gonna flame, do it else where. this is stupid and an insult to all artist and ZUN for picking her to do the art.
SO there.
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: LordVant on April 23, 2009, 03:09:29 AM
Thx to you all for that. I've only got up to 15 and didn't see it anywhere else so I thought it wasn't finished yet. Still aren't pretty much all the Touhou games like a waste of time? The situation gets resolved and some new characters are added. Strange though, It'd seem like it would get repetitive but it doesn't; and that's what I love about Touhou (Besides the danmaku)  ;D
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on April 23, 2009, 04:14:32 AM
http://dizzy.pestermom.com/?p=thcomic53#comment-120

A summary. I has it.
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Gpop on April 23, 2009, 06:28:05 PM
i believe that's called stating an opinion not flaming

Thank you.
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Kojiremi on June 30, 2009, 06:37:58 AM
I hope its okay to post here in this since its kinda old but i just got into the series myself...sad that the comic's translation was halted or even cancelled....I don't know the artist that much but i do like the art. I think its cute.
But why dont' people like her art? personal opinions or is she really....bad?
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Tengukami on June 30, 2009, 06:40:42 AM
I hope its okay to post here in this since its kinda old but i just got into the series myself...sad that the comic's translation was halted or even cancelled....I don't know the artist that much but i do like the art. I think its cute.
But why dont' people like her art? personal opinions or is she really....bad?

I love her art, personally. She did my favorite drawing of Remilia.
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: WRATHIE_Beatrice on June 30, 2009, 06:46:46 AM
they dun like Aki eda for funny reasons, mostly due to her funny ending of SSiB.

I like her art.
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Kojiremi on June 30, 2009, 06:52:49 AM
they dun like Aki eda for funny reasons, mostly due to her funny ending of SSiB.

I like her art.
haha. i see. but wasn't the story written by ZUN? she just drew it out right? That wouldn't be a good reason to not like her art wouldn't it?
Really its too bad it isn't translated. i read all the way up to chapter 15 just now and needlessly searched for the rest. I guess i'll read Inaba of the Moon and Inaba of the EArth then. That looks like its finished....i hope
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on June 30, 2009, 07:04:15 AM
I hope its okay to post here in this since its kinda old but i just got into the series myself...sad that the comic's translation was halted or even cancelled....I don't know the artist that much but i do like the art. I think its cute.
But why dont' people like her art? personal opinions or is she really....bad?
Hmmm.

I'd say it's the fact that the entire cast has about three faces between them, and the short-haired characters, apart from details like Marisa's braid and Yorihime's ponytail, have approximately three hairstyles between them. I mean ... yeah, I know, Only Six Faces (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OnlySixFaces) (warning, TVTropes, etc), but this turns it up to eleven. She also insists on not drawing Marisa wearing her hat for no explicable reason.

To put it another way, the character designs seem ... bland. (Compare with Clash House (artists of Strange and Bright Nature Deity), or even VISIONNERZ.) Sort of like she's playing dressup with "paper dolls" instead of making destinct characters.
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: mark2000 on June 30, 2009, 07:33:21 AM
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Hmmm.

I'd say it's the fact that the entire cast has about three faces between them, and the short-haired characters, apart from details like Marisa's braid and Yorihime's ponytail, have approximately three hairstyles between them. I mean ... yeah, I know, Only Six Faces (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OnlySixFaces) (warning, TVTropes, etc), but this turns it up to eleven. She also insists on not drawing Marisa wearing her hat for no explicable reason.

To put it another way, the character designs seem ... bland. (Compare with Clash House (artists of Strange and Bright Nature Deity), or even VISIONNERZ.) Sort of like she's playing dressup with "paper dolls" instead of making destinct characters.

I agree. While I like her art style, it would've been nice if she had put a bit more effort into adding more variety to each character's facial features.
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: LordVant on June 30, 2009, 12:32:11 PM
This is getting really annoying. Still no one wants to finish translating it, or rather the person that was supposed to probably doesn't even remember she was supposed to translate it. :P
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Cadmas on June 30, 2009, 12:47:48 PM
Yeah its sad. :(
I like SSIB. The story line is so ridiculous.
I've only found up to ch14 translated on manga fox.
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Gpop on June 30, 2009, 02:58:50 PM
Well really we're just waiting for Arsen to finish Chapter 16. Once she finishes that, she's dropping the project, and giving it to Nietz for the rest, who I think we all know will work on this much more quickly and is much more reliable =/.
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Moerin on June 30, 2009, 03:10:50 PM
Another one for the "I actually liked SSiB!" list here... Such a shame the scans stop just before the chapter that I really want to read (three guesses as to why).  Oh well, them's the breaks, patience is a virtue and all that...

Also, I'd argue against the Watatsuki's being called Mary Sues (because really, they're not), but no-one would listen to me.  Sigh... I'll just go and sit in the "I actually like the Watatsukis!" corner by myself...
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Hieda no Aya on June 30, 2009, 03:18:18 PM
Hmmm.

I'd say it's the fact that the entire cast has about three faces between them, and the short-haired characters, apart from details like Marisa's braid and Yorihime's ponytail, have approximately three hairstyles between them. I mean ... yeah, I know, Only Six Faces (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OnlySixFaces) (warning, TVTropes, etc), but this turns it up to eleven. She also insists on not drawing Marisa wearing her hat for no explicable reason.

To put it another way, the character designs seem ... bland. (Compare with Clash House (artists of Strange and Bright Nature Deity), or even VISIONNERZ.) Sort of like she's playing dressup with "paper dolls" instead of making destinct characters.
Huh, really? That's interesting, because that's always been my complaint about Clash House -- everyone has the same face and one of two hairstyles in front. (Straight-cut bangs and uneven bangs.) In a closeup and with clothes/accessories out of the picture, I don't think I could ever tell a difference between Marisa, Alice, and Sunny Milk in SaBND.

That said, Aki Eda's art definitely has its ups and downs. I think she draws really cute characters, but she's pretty bad at blocking and proportion and such. Besides the above, I've seen a lot of complaints about her work in action scenes and scenes with a lot of people.

As for chapter 16... half of it's been edited since February. Arsen is coming back, right? Thank goodness for text translations, at least.
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Gpop on June 30, 2009, 03:23:00 PM
I find Aki Eda's art quite the opposite of cute in my eyes. Like Muffin said, they're too bland.

But Arsen DID post the first half of Ch 16 a while ago. We just need to wait for the second half to be scanlated =/. Once she finishes that, I'm almost sure that the rest of the chapters will be finished in no time.
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Alfred F. Jones on July 01, 2009, 07:07:23 PM
Also, I'd argue against the Watatsuki's being called Mary Sues (because really, they're not), but no-one would listen to me.  Sigh... I'll just go and sit in the "I actually like the Watatsukis!" corner by myself...

By yourself? M'boy, you know that I love Yoriyori as much as you do. <3 A Toyotoyo is wonderful, too. And of course, the creature that is known as Reisen Mk.II is incredibly moe~
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Gpop on July 01, 2009, 07:14:33 PM
I like Toyohime enough to be one of my favourite characters. She doesn't appear to be as much of a Mary Sue as Yorhime, but as much as I like them, I still say that they're Mary Sues.
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: LordVant on July 01, 2009, 08:07:27 PM
I was about to say this is getting entirely off-topic, but there's not much more to say about the release and the title is SSiB anyway so...
I prefer Matsuki Ugatsu, mainly because he has a dark way of portraying the touhou universe. Though Haniwa's Store has a more cute way of drawing, though not quite moe.
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Moerin on July 01, 2009, 09:58:04 PM
Also, I'd argue against the Watatsuki's being called Mary Sues (because really, they're not), but no-one would listen to me.  Sigh... I'll just go and sit in the "I actually like the Watatsukis!" corner by myself...

By yourself? M'boy, you know that I love Yoriyori as much as you do. <3 A Toyotoyo is wonderful, too. And of course, the creature that is known as Reisen Mk.II is incredibly moe~

Yes, but you and I are the same person, remember?  Although it seems like we have at least Gpop for company~

Kind of off topic, but I suppose I should get around to reading the fairies at some point, seeing how they're the only official doujin that I haven't read at all yet... Is it worth reading?
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Drake on July 01, 2009, 10:36:57 PM
I'd argue against the Watatsuki's being called Mary Sues (because really, they're not), but no-one would listen to me
Even if they're not the perfect description of a Mary Sue, they pretty much were just written as characters who could pretty much beat anyone by barely doing anything. Even at the end, they were never really beaten per se, they just got tricked. Even Yukari has a bit of reason for generally being able to obliterate everything, but even she can lose disputes through danmaku (coincidentally, it was implemented for cases like this and is likely as such the only way for her to lose a fight).

Of course, the only reason that they were so much stronger than anyone was the lack of spell card rules to follow and other such devices, but either way it's easy to see how everyone describes them as Mary Sues. I myself think the same. Of course you can have a villain in a story that originally beats the protagonists because that's just a general plot point, but it really was a bit off.
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on July 01, 2009, 11:07:44 PM
I'd argue against the Watatsuki's being called Mary Sues (because really, they're not), but no-one would listen to me
Even if they're not the perfect description of a Mary Sue, they pretty much were just written as characters who could pretty much beat anyone by barely doing anything. Even at the end, they were never really beaten per se, they just got tricked. Even Yukari has a bit of reason for generally being able to obliterate everything, but even she can lose disputes through danmaku (coincidentally, it was implemented for cases like this and is likely as such the only way for her to lose a fight).

Of course, the only reason that they were so much stronger than anyone was the lack of spell card rules to follow and other such devices, but either way it's easy to see how everyone describes them as Mary Sues. I myself think the same. Of course you can have a villain in a story that originally beats the protagonists because that's just a general plot point, but it really was a bit off.
This.

If it was me doing it, I'd've (a) gone out of my way to show the protagonists' strengths, and (b) shown Yorihime with skill, not hax. She'd win, not because she goes "Can't touch this!", but because she's an equal or better fighter. She'd lose to Reimu, not because the latter goes "no u," but at least in part because she was getting worn out. (For maximum comedy, she'd be so worn out that Reimu would KO her by flicking her forehead. And then she'd carry her unconscious form to the Capital.) And Toyohime's "destroy-everything haxweapon" wouldn't be just a fan. It'd be something physically huge, and we'd see it beforehand, with hints as to its purpose.

I still can't think of anything that could possibly top
a swimsuit-party in a library in the middle of winter
, though.
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: BoLaD on July 02, 2009, 12:49:09 AM
I'd argue against the Watatsuki's being called Mary Sues (because really, they're not), but no-one would listen to me
Even if they're not the perfect description of a Mary Sue, they pretty much were just written as characters who could pretty much beat anyone by barely doing anything. Even at the end, they were never really beaten per se, they just got tricked. Even Yukari has a bit of reason for generally being able to obliterate everything, but even she can lose disputes through danmaku (coincidentally, it was implemented for cases like this and is likely as such the only way for her to lose a fight).

Of course, the only reason that they were so much stronger than anyone was the lack of spell card rules to follow and other such devices, but either way it's easy to see how everyone describes them as Mary Sues. I myself think the same. Of course you can have a villain in a story that originally beats the protagonists because that's just a general plot point, but it really was a bit off.
This.

If it was me doing it, I'd've (a) gone out of my way to show the protagonists' strengths, and (b) shown Yorihime with skill, not hax. She'd win, not because she goes "Can't touch this!", but because she's an equal or better fighter. She'd lose to Reimu, not because the latter goes "no u," but at least in part because she was getting worn out. (For maximum comedy, she'd be so worn out that Reimu would KO her by flicking her forehead. And then she'd carry her unconscious form to the Capital.) And Toyohime's "destroy-everything haxweapon" wouldn't be just a fan. It'd be something physically huge, and we'd see it beforehand, with hints as to its purpose.

I still can't think of anything that could possibly top
a swimsuit-party in a library in the middle of winter
, though.

I honestly don't know what the term "Mary Sue" means, but I actually liked the Watatsuki's very much. In fact, I liked SSiB as a whole a lot. I actually liked the fan Toyohime used, but I do admit the fight scenes could have used a little work, and I never got to see a Toyohime vs Yukari fight or the full Reimu vs Yorohime fight.
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Drake on July 02, 2009, 01:12:42 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue)
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue)
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mary+sue (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mary+sue)
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Mary_Sue (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Mary_Sue)
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Hieda no Aya on July 02, 2009, 06:06:35 PM
Kind of off topic, but I suppose I should get around to reading the fairies at some point, seeing how they're the only official doujin that I haven't read at all yet... Is it worth reading?

Well, it's very much slice of life. The majority of it is either the three fairies hanging out or Reimu and Marisa hanging out doing nothing; guest stars happen, but they're the exception, and the little storylines don't always have a resolution, nor will they ever get epic. Personally, I like it a lot now, but it did take me a while to get into, and I do think the earlier chapters are in general less interesting. I also had to go out of my way to cultivate an interest in the three fairies individually instead of just regarding them as a single unit, which naturally made their parts much more entertaining. Reimu and Marisa hanging out doing nothing is all to the good in my book, anyway.

Oh yeah, and as for SSiB -- the scanslations are halted for now, but most of the rest does have scans and text translations on voile somewhere, if you just want to read. (Except the last chapter hasn't been translated somehow.)
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: mark2000 on July 02, 2009, 10:22:54 PM
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Well, it's very much slice of life.

The funny thing I find about any touhou story ZUN makes is that they always have a slice-of-life feel to them. Even SSiB which has a fully progressive story line still flows like a slice-of-life IMO. I'm not entirely sure how he pulls it off though. Maybe it's because every character has a carefree attitude to some extent or maybe because everyone has a tendency to shrug off a major event at the drop of a hat like they were nothing. Honestly, if a dialogue resembles something along the lines as "Yeah! I've beaten the gods and saved the world!....................I'm hungry. Wanna eat?", I wouldn't be surprised to see it in a Touhou story.

I'm not saying it's bad though. I personally love the slice-of-life genre. Besides, fantasy stories as laid back as this one are hard to find. XD
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Hououin Kyouma on July 03, 2009, 02:43:54 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue)
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue)
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mary+sue (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mary+sue)
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Mary_Sue (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Mary_Sue)
*sighs* Drake put a danger sign on Tvtropes before you post it. (I wish I had editing power)
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Drake on July 03, 2009, 02:53:46 AM
it says tvtropes in the link i don't think i need to
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: Hououin Kyouma on July 03, 2009, 03:01:06 AM
The website is extremely addictive once you stay in you can never get out  :V
Title: Re: Silent Sinner in Blue
Post by: stassy on July 03, 2009, 04:03:51 AM
Aki Eda got one of her serialized manga converted into an anime...well good for her but hoping a good circle will make another good touhou anime  :-X